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jurov: "Duration: 2 years" (from the CBP link) how do i parse this?
jurov: that's enough for master's degree :)
jurov: aaaahh i saw "renewal fee" and it clicked.. apparently they plan to make bitcoin obsolete after 2 years?
jurov: i think i can take it, if paid. hence, how much?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119394 @ 0.0004044 = 48.2829 BTC [+]
jurov: linux-unwind.h:138: error: field 'info' has incomplete type << asciilifeform haven't you missed this? (from gnat.txt)
jurov: going off, laters!
thestringpuller: jurov: .2xxx btc I'll pay it...for freedom of press and stuff.
thestringpuller: cazalla: I guess we should discuss potential article from findings if this goes through.
cazalla: thestringpuller, i just sat down then so need to catch up on logs etc
cazalla: smashed my iphone in a burst of anger so.. no more apple products here (ipad already went out the window)
asciilifeform: jurov: eagle eyes, ty
asciilifeform: jurov: http://forge.ispras.ru/issues/4295 << interestingly, ancient issue, afaik never fixed.
assbot: Bug #4295: Issue between aspectator and new glibc at different architectures - C Instrumentation Framework - Open-Source Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1EeRsYG )
cazalla: an utter absolute shit morning, sometimes it would be nice to be a shut in hermit with nobody with 10km
asciilifeform: cazalla: for our edification, care to describe the burst of anger ?
cazalla: asciilifeform, the why doesn't really matter.. lesson here is not to have 2fa on device you often have with you if prone to smashing things
asciilifeform: iirc, mircea_popescu is also a 'smasher'
asciilifeform wonders if he's the only fella here who has never rage-smashed a keyboard, pNohe, pNablet, ..., etc
cazalla: asciilifeform, the sound of breaking glass is actually quite soothing
danielpbarron yells at his iphone on a daily basis
danielpbarron: will be the last "smart" phone i ever buy (also happens to have been the first)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57100 @ 0.00040674 = 23.2249 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i carried it. << btcauditor when
asciilifeform: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536124
assbot: Bug 536124 – dev-lang/gnat-gcc-4.4.7 - In file included from .../work/gcc-4.4.7/gcc/unwind-dw2.c:333: .../work/gcc-4.4.7/gcc/config/i386/linux-unwind.h:138: error: field ‘info’ has incomplete type ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsPiHj )
asciilifeform: ^ yes, apparently documented bug
asciilifeform: ^ message to all shitgnomes: somewhere, in a forest, a pine tree is growing
asciilifeform: that will one day be cut down, at around two metre's height, and sharpened.
asciilifeform: (the stump, that is)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42609 @ 0.00040978 = 17.4603 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ever time you sit down and submit a patch to something-or-other, knowing that it might silently break proggys used by actual people,
asciilifeform: think about that tree.
asciilifeform: and the arse it was born to slide into.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16741 @ 0.00041322 = 6.9177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00041322 = 8.1818 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> i carried it. << btcauditor when << i guess once Pierre_Rochard gets bored of new york ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ message to all shitgnomes: somewhere, in a forest, a pine tree is growing << Why pine?
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
PeterL: hi BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: hi
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: birch works too
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: need the right thickness.
asciilifeform: not many birches in gringolandia though
thestringpuller: PeterL: is scoopbot okay?
BingoBoingo: Birches out here. My concern though was perhaps a tree with decent Urushiol content like cashew.
PeterL: doesn't look like it
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/0e66631d7cd8abd3ec022597794b13e5/tumblr_mkwp7sBFdK1s9tujho1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsQMRT )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that just looks like an ordinary day at the dentist's.
mircea_popescu: mhm
thestringpuller: Dentist puts cock in your mouth?
PeterL: thestringpuller: It seems to be misbehaving since I added your blog?
thestringpuller: its cause I use tumblr :(
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: no cock in the photo
thestringpuller: cock will be inserted at some point, that is the purpose of device no?
thestringpuller: to keep mouth open despite insertion of cock
asciilifeform: or drill
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: like the barbarians who carved up roman mosaics for sword hilt 'bling' << once upon a time, thinking this is particularly romanian, wrote a romanian article about it
thestringpuller: ~_~
mircea_popescu: then i learned better.
asciilifeform: srsly, i'm pretty sure i've had that very gag in
asciilifeform: at the dentistinquisitioner's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja feel dirty yet ? :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00041322 = 15.5371 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: the indie developers killed it << no, they didn't. what killed it was the complete inability of the new generation to do any sort of useful work WHATSOEVER
mircea_popescu: even for their own amusement.
mircea_popescu: people born in the 50s played rogue for fun
mircea_popescu: people born in the 70s can scarcely cluck at the ipad screen without some sort of "CONGRATULATIONS!!1"
asciilifeform: wai, where
asciilifeform: 80s - rogue
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what's the difference?
asciilifeform: 90s - scarcely clutch
mircea_popescu: * numbers might not be exact
asciilifeform: 70s - 'advent'
asciilifeform: 60s - solved gnarly integrals for phun
thestringpuller: at least the 60s had better access to drugs?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller so usa-centric
thestringpuller: born 'an raised
thestringpuller: asciilifeform mircea_popescu people still play nethack for fun :P
asciilifeform: 'nethack' and other 'roguelikes' (anyone recall 'angband' ?) are sorta timeless
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsS9jD )
mircea_popescu: ^ marriage.
asciilifeform: wat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and something like this is quite inevitable when a product degenerates to that level of necessary attention span << has nothing to do with the product, everything to do with the society.
mircea_popescu: in a world made out of equal idiots who don't have gpg sigs, THAT is the only possible human activity.
asciilifeform: ^ the activity shown in the chinese photo, in particular, yes.
asciilifeform: aka meatpuppetry.
mircea_popescu: yea
thestringpuller: there will always be mechanical turks
asciilifeform: though, strictly speaking there are two activities (the other being that of the meatpuppeteer, of course)
mircea_popescu: only for as long as the concept that "people can have ideas" and "tim swhatever knows hopw normal debates work"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is not as different as it seams.
mircea_popescu: the difference between a goat and a goat herder is certainly not apparent to any passing lady of society.
asciilifeform: in as much as he too would rather be elsewhere - aye
BingoBoingo: https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=
assbot: Bitcoin Average Block Size ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsSJ0B )
mircea_popescu: no. inasmuch as *elsewhere* can tell.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdlcllvbtU1rk1wwgo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsTnvg )
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so qntra can report on the derpage? << reporting on the idiocy is doing it more service than it deserves in any perspective.
mircea_popescu: simple strategic thinking : first, let them put some skin in the game, by for instance creating a "Bitcoin Consultancy"
mircea_popescu: then, let them go into business, by for instance signing a contract to "save" Bitcoinica
mircea_popescu: THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman.
mircea_popescu: this is how you deal with aspirational muppets, not by reporting on their idiocy.
mircea_popescu: jurov: doubt even satoshi himself would pass << why do you think he pulled a runner.
PeterL: a fool who keeps his mouth shut is counted wise
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> my biggest hesitation is the << your hesitation is correct. at this stage qntra wouldn't report on that shit even if *they* paid.
mats: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html
assbot: ACM Classic: Reflections on Trusting Trust ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsTWVT )
asciilifeform: mats: you just met this ?!!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman. << MagicalTux falls in this category. I don't think any of the DERP lists have management with WoT identities.
thestringpuller: (F.DERP listings that is)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> iirc, mircea_popescu is also a 'smasher' << keyboards tho.
mats: asciilifeform: yes :(
mircea_popescu: thompson's self-diddling compiler is mentioned in the logs on a ~5 month period
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38800 @ 0.00040421 = 15.6833 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/465104f1ba6c1647997207a2001cc153/tumblr_mxrij9HZZg1ra163eo5_r1_250.gif << the new systemlinux
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsVOOa )
mircea_popescu: !up tardstalker
BingoBoingo: Rectum? Nearly kill e dum http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2954500/American-youth-seriously-gored-bull-Spain.html
assbot: American Benjamin Miller gored by bull at Ciudad Rodrigo's Carnaval del Toro in Spain yesterday | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsWOSu )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.0003992 = 12.1956 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/13/weisenberger-indicted-simple-assault/23349985/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=
assbot: Madison Co. judge accused of racial abuse indicted ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsXI1r )
asciilifeform: 'The attorney for Charles Plumpp said Weisenberger arrested and jailed her client, who is African American, on the nonexistence charge of "roaming livestock."'
asciilifeform: ^ l0l!
BingoBoingo: It's like one of those Russian skits on Usian racial policies in the 1950's
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or a judge that 'needed to have problems' for some reason unknown to us
asciilifeform: how do you suppose they line up the pliant judges
asciilifeform: by wishing really hard ?
BingoBoingo: Most country governments tend to let the judges go a bit feral
asciilifeform: when it sums to harmless.
punkman: roaming livestock is no joke
asciilifeform: put the bull back in his yoke
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bter-com-alleges-theft-of-7170-btc/
assbot: Bter.com Alleges Theft Of 7170 BTC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsYATz )
punkman: (spotted local news the other day about idiot that let his sheep wander all over some town, they rounded them up, will charge him 50eu per head to get them back. or to the butcher's if he doesn't claim them in 2 weeks)
asciilifeform: punkman: 50eu per head << what are they worth, approximately ?
punkman: more than that
asciilifeform: presumably
asciilifeform: but how much
punkman: I suppose you can get a decent sheep for 150-200
asciilifeform: qntra article << wai wat, there are/were actual companies registered in virgin islands? not merely mail boxes for sp4mz0rz ?
punkman: wrong, actually more like 110-120 for 1 year old sheep in local classifieds
BingoBoingo: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Muhammad_Sex_Simulator_2015
assbot: Muhammad Sex Simulator 2015 - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsZmjE )
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how do you suppose they line up the pliant judges << good point this.
mircea_popescu: cazalla lmao they had 7k btc like roger ver has what to pay the gas bill with.
asciilifeform: his gas bill will be complimentary of usg
asciilifeform: or if kitchen gas - then yes
BingoBoingo: http://www.bnd.com/2015/02/13/3661065/judge-rejects-600-pound-mans-request.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop << Javascript off to circumvent paywall
assbot: Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1At0hAB )
mircea_popescu: lmao js paywall.
mircea_popescu: the layers of idiocy srsly.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expected the 'request' to be for hanging rather than electric chair, or the like
asciilifeform: (when else does fat of the prisoner play a part)
BingoBoingo: tits for the one's who've been in there a while to play with?
asciilifeform: unrelated, gnat-gcc-4.6.4 does in fact build.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/ossessione/ << if anyone's looking for a good 40s film.
assbot: Ossessione pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At0JyK )
BingoBoingo: other news on the Illinois collapse http://thesouthern.com/ap/state/state-owes-some-illinois-state-police-troopers-each/article_bc848ee1-a58e-5071-85bf-4ed487f19f68.html
assbot: State owes some Illinois State Police troopers $10,000 each : State ... ( http://bit.ly/1At118U )
mircea_popescu: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-8452.ZD1.html << apparently consensus has been poorly understood by the supreme court no less, as early as 2002.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhlmbf )
mircea_popescu: "if we like it it
mircea_popescu: 's consensus!"
mircea_popescu: "The Court pays lipservice to these precedents as it miraculously extracts a “national consensus” forbidding execution of the mentally retarded, ante, at 12, from the fact that 18 States–less than half (47%) of the 38 States that permit capital punishment (for whom the issue exists)–have very recently enacted legislation barring execution of the mentally retarded. Even that 47% figure is a distorted one. If one
mircea_popescu: is to say, as the Court does today, that all executions of the mentally retarded are so morally repugnant as to violate our national “standards of decency,” surely the “consensus” it points to must be one that has set its righteous face against all such executions. Not 18 States, but only seven–18% of death penalty jurisdictions–have legislation of that scope."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24809 @ 0.00041073 = 10.1898 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the libertard is a particularly insidious totalitarian, in that he doesn't even admit his outright enmity to liberalism.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60781 @ 0.00041505 = 25.2272 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00042132 = 16.8317 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2uek9v/famous_bitcoin_shill_andreas_anontopolous_will/co7x5om <<< this is possibly the lulziest thing i saw all day.
assbot: dgerard comments on Famous Bitcoin shill Andreas Anontopolous will attempt to convince the DPR jury into buying bitcoins. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At49S3 )
mircea_popescu: so : the powerless have decided that the way to attack me is through... google bombing.
mircea_popescu: but since they do not wish to o may gawd promote my stuff with their impotent brownian motion, they use some sort of google juice filter (no idea if it works).
mircea_popescu: think about that for a minute : google bombing through a google separator.
decimation: asciilifeform: that 'intel boot guard' is scary
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it? << wait, CBP is a Buterin project?
mircea_popescu: ;;google don't go chasing butterfalls
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mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WEtxJ4-sh4
assbot: TLC - Waterfalls - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1At4qVg )
cazalla: lol trilema is do not link on buttcoin?
cazalla: i guess that is no unexpected from a bunch of idiots who ban me from commenting in their subreddit but upvote qntra anyway
BingoBoingo: Well reddit is all nofollow links anyways
mircea_popescu: i don't think google actually honors those.
mircea_popescu: it mines them for info, yes, but it doesn't actually give the users any power.
BingoBoingo: Prolly depends who is implementing it.
mircea_popescu: would be contrary to what they do generally, anyway.
BingoBoingo: Google does't act generally anymore though
BingoBoingo: That's why it is so broken
mircea_popescu: https://freereiser.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/whoops/ << this IS pretty lulzy
assbot: Whoops | Hans Reiser Is Innocent ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhmXhg )
mircea_popescu: then again, i don't see any of the "Global Warming ? opps!" "QE ? oops!" etc posts from the libertards, so i guess a slightly cleaner toad is still the prettier princess.
BingoBoingo: Hearn foundation client update: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/colk0t9
assbot: LifeIsSoSweet comments on Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At6koP )
mircea_popescu: "Cantidad dormitorios: 2 / Cantidad baños: 3"
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is Departamentos Diarrhea then ?
mircea_popescu: no shits left behind!
BingoBoingo: Nah, It's American style. Bathrooms are the new show of affluence
mircea_popescu: and yet you savages still don't have cunt basins as a regular fixture, amirite ?
BingoBoingo: Indeed, that would make each bathroom more expensive.
mircea_popescu: s/"what could one possibily need THAT for"/"what is oral sex???"/
BingoBoingo: The goal in contemporary American home architecture as espoused by HGTV is concealing from visitors the set of bathrooms used for actual bathroom functions
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's now common in modern us 'tract' homes that the build has no air vent in the kitchen
BingoBoingo: These are a people for whom hiring professional cleaners even annually is considered a luxury expense.
mircea_popescu: what.
mircea_popescu: so the 3rd is actually for guests ?!
mircea_popescu: holy shit why, because stray pubic hairs ?
decimation: the 'replacement' is a recirculating fan with a 'filter' that doesn't work at all
mircea_popescu: because no one may be a maid so nobody ever cleans a bahtroom so htey're filthy ? why ?
mircea_popescu: decimation but you can just open the window neh ?
decimation: sure, when it's -10C
mircea_popescu never liked kitchen air vents. they generally favour infestations.
decimation: the reason they lack them is apparently because the builders could be liable for the kitchen fires that happen when nobody cleans out the air vent pipe
mircea_popescu: uh.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit why, because stray pubic hairs ? << That and lingering urine smells, because "Clean when I moved in" is good enough to not justify cleaning ever again for the more degenerate Pindos
BingoBoingo: decimation: I find it lulzy when I encounter stovetop vents that pump air into the freezer
decimation: BingoBoingo: eh?
ben_vulpes: my stovetop vent vents into the apartment.
BingoBoingo: decimation: a few places I've seen the kitchen stovetop vent fan pipes air in the the neighboring fridge's freezer compartment because... Who fucking knows anymore
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> and yet you savages still don't have cunt basins as a regular fixture, amirite ? << why's the shower so inadequate?
BingoBoingo: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/2/2d/L4nlogo.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1At9bxY )
decimation: BingoBoingo: sounds like they were 'supposed' to install an outdoor vent, and ended up installing nothing
BingoBoingo: decimation: Nah when you open the freezer while using the stove at a friend's place you get a definite fog of steaming out of the freezer. The only justification I can thing of is the hope freezing smells sequesters them?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: post your x86 auto.sh on the listserv ? << any reason to not run with -xeu?
decimation: the real estate chumpatron in the us is finely tuned to prevent any actual person from being involv[\
decimation: ed with
decimation: supervising the design and construction
BingoBoingo: AH, here's the thing the inspired feminine linux https://gitorious.org/c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality/source/cefcfb4276889bd3833c539225a9cdfd3eb16d33:
assbot: ./ in c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality (cefcfb4276889bd3833c539225a9cdfd3eb16d33) - Gitorious ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhp2d9 )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes << it's not, provided it specifically ISNT an usian shower
mircea_popescu: but instead the civilised model with 3 meter's worth of flexible chord.
decimation: those can be retrofit into us showers but are definitely 'out of fashion'
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BingoBoingo: <decimation> those can be retrofit into us showers but are definitely 'out of fashion' << Plenty of them in Nursing homes and higher end hotels (i.e. the ones foreigners can afford)
mircea_popescu: so how exactly is a woman supposed to wash standing while being rained upon ?
mircea_popescu: bleach her snatch ?
mircea_popescu: here's a hint : female genital washing mostly involved dilution not soap.
mircea_popescu: it's self-soaping, the vagina.
ben_vulpes: i've always been amused by the "bend over and get it wet" approach, but i'm a total noob.
mircea_popescu: if you think about it for a second, you realise what a fucking scandal this is.
mircea_popescu: "bend over and get it wet with stuff that washes off your arsehole"
decimation: I like the 'shower with a hose' because it makes it simple to rinse off the shower after cleaning
mircea_popescu: every usanistan obgyn that is not insane treats sporadic uti in healthy females the same way : "get a proper shower woman!"
mircea_popescu: the rest prescribe windex or w/e the fuck.
decimation: or they hand out antibiotics
mircea_popescu: decimation i suspect you lived (as in, with women) long enough to know exactly what antibiotics do to their bits ?
ben_vulpes: i am not accustomed to being responsible for female cleanliness!
danielpbarron: there's this commercial they keep airing about a product for women who have "swagger" which is apparently code for "fat smelly vag"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is more like management than execution.
decimation: mircea_popescu: they also ruin the gut fauna
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wai wat !?! where did you see a freezer with an air inlet hose, and can you swear that you were sober ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but you can't just throw some yogurt into your cunt.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i just skipped over all that, it's too insane.
asciilifeform: l0l
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Rental house in southern Illinois. When there I am frequently drunk but been there enough times to verify this sober while cleaning.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so what happens at the joints ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: who sells this? and can you describe that it looked like ?
asciilifeform: *what
mircea_popescu: 3 inches of styrofoam?
decimation: throw some yogurt < yes you can actually: http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/rephresh-pro-b-probiotic-feminine-supplement-capsules/ID=prod6003401-product
assbot: RepHresh Pro-B Probiotic Feminine Supplement Capsules | Walgreens ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhq5tp )
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: the land of the free, where stupidity creates a whole industry!
mircea_popescu: i guess it must be good for the economy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Silver hose come out of wall goes into freezer. Snake sent throug hose strikes over stove fan.
asciilifeform: some demented builder
asciilifeform unable to think of, much less find on net, any possible justification for this
decimation: that pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard
decimation: for one thing, venting into a closed box means that there's no venting
mircea_popescu: i still can't make sense of it.
mircea_popescu: no condensation around the hose ?
ben_vulpes: bb's trollin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63807 @ 0.00041437 = 26.4397 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
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asciilifeform: re: gnat: 4.6.4 builds but actually attempting to use yields 'gnatgcc: fatal error: -fuse-linker-plugin, but liblto_plugin.so not found'
asciilifeform: ^ does anyone other than me care
asciilifeform: if not about gnat, the overall state of decay.
decimation: asciilifeform: what are you trying to compile that is written in ada?
asciilifeform: 'hello world'
decimation: heh
BingoBoingo: about decay yes. WFT "fix" was important enough to kill this
asciilifeform: who wants to laugh, but there are precisely two programming languages in existence which are 1) standardized and 2) you can -actually write complete systems- using -the language described in the standard-
asciilifeform: two and only two.
mircea_popescu: ada and lisp ?
asciilifeform: common lisp
asciilifeform: and yes - ada.
decimation: asciilifeform: even usg has abandoned ada
decimation: but not because it failed to serve a purpose
asciilifeform: (pet peeve of mine - 'lisp' (or worse, the '60s-ism LISP) is a hopelessly nonspecific term that encompasses languages that differ from one another far more even than 'algol' differs from 'c')
asciilifeform: decimation: usg, interestingly, did not entirely abandon. but under pressure from microshit (primarily) relaxed the ancient laws
asciilifeform: avionics, power plant controls, the like - systems whose failure reliably produces piles of corpses and messy 'pr' - are still very heavy on ada.
BingoBoingo: Also sun when they were monied enough to bezzel up Java
decimation: presumably they do not use gcc
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asciilifeform: decimation: actually - they do
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: or rather, the ada component of gcc is based on the ancient usg-commissioned thing
asciilifeform: an ancient usg
decimation: I doubt they use x86 for such purposes either
asciilifeform: thing is mainly architecture-agnostic, interestingly
asciilifeform: (no big surprise to folks accustomed to gcc)
BingoBoingo: ^ most good things are architecture agnostic
asciilifeform: i advise folks to learn enough ada to understand why something quite like it is necessary.
asciilifeform: it is more or less the antithesis of the 'hip language'
asciilifeform: in being tremendously unpleasant to work in
decimation: the problem is that many of the promises of ada cannot be kept by the underlying hardware
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asciilifeform: situation today is that most folks would not even notice a promise broken by hardware
asciilifeform: because it can be reliably blamed on softs.
asciilifeform: you more or less have to present a smoking cratered cpu to make others believe in 'it was the hardware'
decimation: yeah that's a good point
asciilifeform: there are interesting things to be learned from the ada approach, if you can pinch your nose and get past the 'ick factor'
asciilifeform: for instance, all error messages refer to a page in the rationale book
asciilifeform: (in traditional implementations)
asciilifeform: buffer overflows, pointer fandango, etc. - are impossible
asciilifeform: ^ without requiring a bulky 'runtime'
TheNewDeal: ;;Later tell TomServo sorry I missed you last evening. Went out for some drinks and left my irc on. Will be back thursday evening
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: just what the doctor ordered for proggys whose behaviour (and error modes) must follow rigorous spec, or user - dies.
thestringpuller: a canadian appears
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah there's much to like in this approach
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B971P9XCEAIKleT.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhrDnk )
mod6: asciilifeform: in your portotronic script, the line `make STATIC=1 -f makefile.unix bitcoind` ends up doing "-Wl,-Bstatic ... -Wl,-Bdynamic" when actually executed because of the bug in the makefile.
decimation: asciilifeform: there's also ARINC standard 653 if you want an RTOS along with your ada
asciilifeform: mod6: odd. because i ended up with proper static linking
asciilifeform: mod6: did check the elf
mod6: is it appropriate to do `make LMODE="static" LMODE2="static" -f makefile.unix bitcoind` instead?
decimation: actually it would be interesting to know exactly what hardware is used in modern avionics
mod6: asciilifeform: no, i didn't im currently rebuilding.
mod6: sec...
mod6: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes might have the same problem with his, is there something he should be specifically looking for in the elf?
thestringpuller: jurov: PM me about how to go about renting aws instance.
asciilifeform: $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf --dynamic bitcoind-armv5-bastard
asciilifeform: Dynamic section at offset 0x3f3874 contains 32 entries:
asciilifeform: Tag Type Name/Value
asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libdl.so.2]
asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libpthread.so.0]
asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libstdc++.so.6]
asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libm.so.6]
asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libgcc_s.so.1]
asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.6]
asciilifeform: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [ld-linux.so.3]
asciilifeform: [detail snipped]
asciilifeform: so everything but the std libs is statically linked in
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/just-how-stupid-is-the-redditard-crowd/ << one of the lulziest things on trilema.
assbot: Just how stupid is the Redditard crowd ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhshkC )
punkman: asciilifeform: is "z" not used, noticed you removed it from portatronic
mod6: i thought we didn't want to use shared libs? only static libs *.a's
asciilifeform: punkman: zlib is only demanded by the retarded version of boost
asciilifeform: forget after which date
asciilifeform: it isn't used in bitcoin, no.
asciilifeform: mod6: i overlooked the std lib stuff, was satisfied with not seeing openssl, boost, bdb. but you are quite right, this is not a proper static elf
asciilifeform: see if you can produce one.
mod6: ok. no problem. just trying to get it down to a spec
mod6: workin on it :)
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/break-points/4025675/RTOS-dissatisfaction < "Safety-critical applications may need a certifiable OS. That's not one meant for an asylum, but one that can, for tolerable costs, be shown to conform to a standard like DO-178B. The costs are staggering; the certification process for one app I know of generated half a page of documentation per line of code."
assbot: RTOS dissatisfaction | Embedded ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhswMP )
asciilifeform: fortunately we are not interested in usg certificates.
decimation: have you played with http://micrium.com/rtos/ucosiii/overview/
assbot: µC/OS-III Overview | Micrium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsBjy )
asciilifeform: but 'half a page of docs per line' is about what ought to be expected of 'therealbitcoin' when mature.
asciilifeform: decimation: yes. and i can't say that i am interested in any future direction of 'c os' on 'c machines'
asciilifeform: incl. it.
decimation: heh yeah
decimation: yeah, 'half a page of docs per line' is pretty much the same as your 'what does this line do?' test
asciilifeform: not quite
BingoBoingo: <decimation> have you played with http://micrium.com/rtos/ucosiii/overview/ << Wild guess here, but would bet at the right odds, FreeBSD userland on Minix like microkernel
assbot: µC/OS-III Overview | Micrium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsBjy )
asciilifeform: the test is, in my imagination, an exam given in real time, in the flesh
asciilifeform: that is, reactive and unpredictable.
mircea_popescu: ^
asciilifeform: like soviet exams
mircea_popescu: someone's been reading on punishments.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, of course, but the student must learn from something
asciilifeform: now that it came up, mircea_popescu did have a 'punishments' article that used something like that formula
ben_vulpes: "disproportionate" is in there too.
asciilifeform: iirc it was 'disproportionate, unpredictable,'
asciilifeform: and something else
mircea_popescu: ah, unrelated ?
mircea_popescu: well, sanity neverthleess.
asciilifeform: but yes related
asciilifeform: an exam is something like a punishment (for what? for having not yet demonstrated mastery, of course)
asciilifeform: not the same, but related, as a ladder is to a staircase
mircea_popescu: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/08/inconvenience/#rf4-858
assbot: Inconvenience | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhsUuI )
mircea_popescu: apparently it only exists in romanian anyways
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform impredictable, disproportionate and visible.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which incidentally is the missing point in the supreme court discussion of punishment quoted as it happens earlier
mircea_popescu: they fail to consider that punishing the mentally retarded is a signal FOR EVERYONE
mircea_popescu: including the non-mentally retarded.
mircea_popescu: it's quite ridoinculous what sort of compartimentalised nonsense they sprout. you'd flunk senior hs essays for this
decimation: for this reason the us should bring back hangings and should televise them live
asciilifeform highly recomments the historic tour 'seeing justice done' by p. friedland. one of the very few good works on the subject
mircea_popescu: decimation i dunno if i descreibed it or not, but i think so : the prison zoo.
asciilifeform: of the hows and whys of public executions in europe from 800 or so ad to present
asciilifeform: !s zoolag
assbot: 10 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag
mircea_popescu: torture people behind the glass, force highschoolers to visit yearly.
asciilifeform: yeah this was described
asciilifeform: beautiful idea.
decimation: I would prefer 'torture' to be 'hard labor, gulag style'
decimation: but that's difficult to capture through a window
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp#L210 ... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.7.2/src/rpcblockchain.cpp#L12
assbot: bitcoin/bitcoinrpc.cpp at v0.5.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtdWf )
assbot: bitcoin/rpcblockchain.cpp at v0.7.2 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtdWm )
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I would prefer 'torture' to be 'hard labor, gulag style' << Quality punitive torture can leave souveniers
decimation: for thieves, embezzlers, etc it gives a good yardstick
decimation: 'pay back yer debt in coal'
mircea_popescu: sure. dig a yard of trench per dollar embezzled.
mircea_popescu: it's healthy, too. most usians could immensely benefit from more exercise, especially if nude under the nude sky.
ben_vulpes: wai wut? i thought bezzling was a good thing.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so is digging.
decimation: heh. only if you are in on it
ben_vulpes: end of times and all that fun stuff.
punkman: I was making a case for "sentence all members of parliament to 30 years hard labor" yesterday at dinner, "but what of the innocent ones"
TheNewDeal: 20?
ben_vulpes: ABSOLUTELY UNRELATED
ben_vulpes: https://scroguard.com/
assbot: Scroguard | Less Worry. More Fun. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtCrM )
cazalla: mircea_popescu: yes, but you can't just throw some yogurt into your cunt. <<< but you can throw some yogurt out of it! http://www.inquisitr.com/1839518/phd-student-creates-yoghurt-using-her-vagina/
assbot: PhD Student Creates Yogurt Using Her Vagina ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtEjv )
punkman: ben_vulpes: I don't get it
asciilifeform: !s menstrual cookies
assbot: 0 results for 'menstrual cookies' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=menstrual+cookies
asciilifeform: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7633136.html?sid=1e44c177a5b76671206084811186d30e << on earlier thread
assbot: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - The state of Ada on Gentoo ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhtGIb )
decimation: the 'forced exercise' idea reminds me of a passage in the 'rise and fall of the third reich': "The young in the Third Reich were growing up to have strong and healthy bodies, faith in the future of their country and in themselves and a sense of fellowship and camaraderie that shattered all class and economic and social barriers. I thought of that later, in the May days of 1940, when along the road between Aachen and Brussels one saw ☟︎
decimation: the contrast between the German soldiers, bronzed and clean-cut from a youth spent in the sunshine on an adequate diet, and the first British war prisoners, with their hollow chests, round shoulders, pasty complexions and bad teeth – tragic examples of the youth that England had neglected so irresponsibly in the years between the wars." ☟︎
BingoBoingo: !up julmac
mircea_popescu: cazalla eww
mircea_popescu: punkman lol the innocent ones. splendid.
mircea_popescu: in other news : http://40.media.tumblr.com/a19733372c89135be1c4ce0aad534e2d/tumblr_n8w6mezL3y1tx1yzzo1_500.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhuUDg )
ben_vulpes: punkman: me neither.
BingoBoingo: The original gmail http://web.archive.org/web/20001017105222/http://gmail.garfield.com/
assbot: Set Your E-mail Free ... ( http://bit.ly/1AtnPp5 )
mircea_popescu: dude where the fuck do anglos pull their data from. 0.4% BAC = LD50 ?!
asciilifeform: wai wat ?!
mircea_popescu: in the Romania i grew up, being drunk BEGAN at .3
mircea_popescu: you need like... i dunno, 5% or so to fucking die of it.
asciilifeform: is that value for man even
asciilifeform: or field mouse
mircea_popescu: i tyhink it may be for feminist.
mircea_popescu: for the sake of argument, 0.4% means 32 ml of alcohol in the 8 liters of blood ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: so when i drink a liter of 52% moonshine over a night my liver takes out 50ml/hour while carefully keeping total blood alcohol under 30 least i die ?
BingoBoingo: Not even breakfast
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/02/just_how_many_drinks_a_day_is.html << reference.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Just How Many Drinks A Day Is Bad? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AtouGU )
mircea_popescu: But legal driving limit is usually .08%. And 50% of the time, .4% is death, so there's that.
mircea_popescu: i wish to know these 100 people out of whom 50 died of .4% bac.
TheNewDeal: offhand, does anyone remember the name of usagi's gold company?
danielpbarron: heh i was just reading about that; it's at the start of the public logs
asciilifeform: considering -who- typically dies of EtOH overdose, consider comorbidities.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal sadly, no. lessee
danielpbarron: and it was silver, not gold; unless he had another thing i'm not aware of
decimation: asciilifeform: the 'RTEMS' os https://devel.rtems.org/wiki/TBR/UserManual/RTEMSAda < supports ada, is open source, but is written in C
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal he did silver. tu.silver
decimation: it's based on some ancient usg code
TheNewDeal: ahhh
asciilifeform: decimation: written in c, isn't a unix - hence uninteresting
TheNewDeal: there's a company in the us called "amagi metals" and for some reason I thought that rang a bell
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a point
asciilifeform: to me.
decimation: apparently there are varying levels of posix support in actual flight systems
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal they have been trying to trade for bitcoin with moderate success.
TheNewDeal: you're aware of amagi?
mircea_popescu: yes.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suppose that if one really wants an os written in ada that 'fits in head' - one should write it himself
decimation: after all, a program that manages to boot the target and run an infinite loop is a basic os
asciilifeform: decimation: not even asking for an os
decimation: yeah I know you weren't, but I thought it was an interesting question
asciilifeform: decimation: just for gnat to build, from source, on my particular, unremarkable gentoo box
asciilifeform: the way printed on the box
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/970b9af35bd767902b45116e3b5ab04a/tumblr_n7k8g6t70m1rl2fgko1_500.gif a metaphor for education.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AtqbUH )
mircea_popescu: "a pleasurable activity which needs outside incentives"
cazalla: gee someone mentions alcohol and now im salivating
thestringpuller: http://www.mtv.com/news/2069307/old-man-bald-haircut-bad-kids-children/ << i don't know why I think this is so funny.
thestringpuller: dat face
cazalla: thestringpuller, lol
TheNewDeal: ;;bids 216.9
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 3005.8877 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 671376.912891 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.1582 seconds
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
asciilifeform: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2012-03/msg01073.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYjfwS )
asciilifeform: ^ we found the shitgnome.
asciilifeform: it was drepper.
asciilifeform: and yes, it perma-breaks the gcc 4.1 that is built as part of the gnat bootstrap.
ben_vulpes: is drepper the shitgnome or did drepper find the thing?
asciilifeform: shitgnome
ben_vulpes: disregard i eat cocks
ben_vulpes: who is drepper anyways?
asciilifeform: glibc
asciilifeform: (and yes, as far as i can tell, the recent glibc pant-shitting was -also- drepper)
mircea_popescu: hm... it occurs to me... wouldn't it be a good idea if all progressives were required to register themselves with the state ?
ben_vulpes: stake?
asciilifeform: stake.
mircea_popescu: so, for instance, they are not allowed to take up residence in single occupant dwellings / family houses etc ?
asciilifeform: the wide kind.
mircea_popescu: but only dormrooms with shared bathrooms etc ?
mircea_popescu: also, kept away from children and so on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we mostly have this already
mircea_popescu: ah, good then.
asciilifeform: the present-day crop of college kidz will never live in anything other than a kommunalka
mircea_popescu: it's called social studies graduate programs, isn't it ?
asciilifeform: can't afford children, etc
mircea_popescu: Ladies and gentlemen, seldom can it have been a greater pleasure and privilege than it is for me now to announce that the next observation gave me the great pleasure and privilege of observing that it is my great pleasure and privilege to live in the best possible world of all the worlds that are possible already.
asciilifeform falls down, stack overflowing
mircea_popescu: definitely.
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/VkgE27Pd << undoes the shitgnomism, but wtf should i have to rebuild glibc and -everything- to use a perfectly ordinary proggy ?
assbot: siginfo_t_fix.patch - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYkzzC )
mircea_popescu: shut up and rebuild.
asciilifeform: no telling, also, what -else- will die
ben_vulpes goes to bed, asciilifeform goes to rebuild the universe.
ben_vulpes: what a time to be alive.
asciilifeform: ain't happening. 'make world' on this box would take longer than the hardware's mtbf.
mircea_popescu: lol in unrelated news, somebody just cussed me the fuck out because i am a wetback piece of shit left leaning commie.
asciilifeform: l0l!
mod6: haha wat
mircea_popescu: this entirely predicated on the very simple 'lives in argentina -> was born there -> planet of hats'
asciilifeform: i thought it was more ordinarily 'lives in argentina -> heil hitler' ?
mircea_popescu: so did i. but hey, at least i'm not a gypsy nigger.
asciilifeform: srsly, until very recently the common derp's sole item of 'knowledge' re: ar was that the fuhrer lives (yes) there
mircea_popescu: i would also guess this person owns more weapons than remaining fingers (firecracker accidents), and they have more telescopes than barrel notches.
asciilifeform: lol wut
mircea_popescu: be specific!
asciilifeform mindfucked, is searching for error msg, and #b-a log is #4 hit
asciilifeform: log of me crapping it in here
asciilifeform: a few hrs ago.
punkman: might be personalization
asciilifeform: punkman: does not appear to be...
punkman: let me try
asciilifeform: punkman: 'gnat "error: field 'info' has incomplete type" '
punkman: well google loves the log apparently
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> a few hrs ago. << yes. we dominate google mostly because we say interesting things.
mircea_popescu: the machine can tell by now.
punkman: I've been seeing it more often for various search strings, but I assumed it was personalization
asciilifeform already learned the cause of the error, but is looking to see who else was affected
asciilifeform: the shitgnome destroyed the ability to use an entire language
mircea_popescu: to a large degree it's the silent progress that has been happening in thefield of machine processing of human text for the past... 20 years ?
mircea_popescu: google is a major contributor. you can do wonderful things by sorting, word densities, etc etc.
asciilifeform: google has extremely questionable motives and - at this point - competence
mircea_popescu: you know all those "how to spam google ? ORIGINAL CONTENT!!1" advicey bits ? they're actually quite on point.
mircea_popescu: original of course doesn't mean what the marginal retard "trying to make it online" imagines.
asciilifeform: for all we know, they favour #b-a log on account of the sheer frequency with which sp4mz0rz and sc4mz0rz are mentioned here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all motives are questionable. that's kinda what a motive is : "he's not doing it for me, he's doing it for himself"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, in one sentence it'd be "for the sheer frequency with which rare associations that match types they only see in quality text are seen here"
mircea_popescu: believe it or not, google can actually recognise useful new papers from shitty new papers better than "peer review" committees can.
punkman: https://majestic.com/reports/site-explorer?q=log.bitcoin-assets.com&oq=log.bitcoin-assets.com&IndexDataSource=F
assbot: Site Explorer Results - Summary - Majestic ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYlPTp )
punkman: 65k links from external sources
asciilifeform: punkman: betcha that's a random number
asciilifeform: the thing has a thoroughly spamatronic feel to it
punkman: no they crawl
mircea_popescu: they do crawl.
punkman: good addition for robots.txt block
mircea_popescu: i never bothered.
mircea_popescu: let them crawl lol.
mircea_popescu: ahrefs.com is a similar thing, also crawls.
punkman: there's at least a dozen of those mega-crawlers
mircea_popescu: yeah. big business, giving idiots in cubicals something to do with their time that looks more srs bzns than facebook
punkman: purpose being "find out where that other guy spams links, so you can do it too"
asciilifeform: so the 'google finds unique strings' thing, sure - can we conclude that i'm the only one alive trying to build 'gnat' on 'gentoo' ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is sad.
asciilifeform: where did the others go? ate their nagants from frustration ?
joecool: google moved away from unique strings over the past few years... moved to signals, will match synonyms and areas to a query
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a sane manner for sane reasons ? yes.
mircea_popescu: others : http://trilema.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/
assbot: The perfect pitch pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ad2RHA )
asciilifeform: where are the fossilized traces of folks doing it in insane matter, for lunatic reasons?
mircea_popescu: the fly eyes on the meat aren't a joke.
asciilifeform: i'd care to read'em. but nowhere
mircea_popescu: ^
asciilifeform: just to underscore the sheer level of the braindamage i've uncovered - the thing won't build on any box with past 2+ yrs of glibc.
asciilifeform: 3+
asciilifeform: mean to tell me that i'm the only one to 1) notice 2) say something on the net
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you actually understand how the world works.
asciilifeform: evidently not
mircea_popescu: ok. let's put it in perspective. at some point i ended up peripherally involved in the "Art" scene by virtue of fucking in it.
mircea_popescu: out of every 1k kids spending at least 1mn man-hours/year discussing a) creativity, generally and b) various projects
mircea_popescu: a total of less than 100 hours ever got put into any actually existent item that could be burned for instance.
asciilifeform: what happens to the rest of the time ?
mircea_popescu: just because it's easier (and cheaper) to type into box than throw paint at canvas does not mean more anything ever gets made.
asciilifeform: at some point you end up wondering what they're doing instead
mircea_popescu: happens ?
mircea_popescu: what is the pentium 1 doing "instead" ?
asciilifeform: heating the room.
mircea_popescu: instead of what lol. that's the clock rate.
asciilifeform: i mean, it is approximately correct to say that it is discharging heat in the time between ticks
asciilifeform: as the necessary 'instead'
mircea_popescu: well im sure they all maintained metabolic balance throughout.
mircea_popescu: one particular schmuck formulated plans for at least 24 months, at the rate of one a week, to TALK TO this particular whore.
mircea_popescu: he failed, at the end of the reporting period, to have met the bare minimum level of achievement of finding out that the girl was actually working.
asciilifeform: what would have been the purpose of such an exercise ?
mircea_popescu: dude i dunno, if i spend my time planning how to murder obama and fail to find out he died three years prior as a side product
mircea_popescu: i'd be fucking worried.
asciilifeform: http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii18/drmabuse06/TimeTravelHitler.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zYnDvT )
asciilifeform: ^ obligatory
mircea_popescu: imagine you were going to war in afghanistan and discovered the centcom thought afghanistan is actually in zanzibar ?
mircea_popescu: if that happens im fucking defecting, because srsly. finding just one cockroach in the kitchen is one thing, but here we have found a cockroach inside the cockroach and no sign of any kitchens.
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asciilifeform: why would someone sit and formulate a 'plan' to talk to a whore ?
asciilifeform: that was the question
mircea_popescu: he DID NOT KNOW THIS
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: and he failed to find out.
asciilifeform suddenly grasps what the story was probably about
mircea_popescu: which should be informative. i've never spent two years planning on how to fix a window without discovering it really is a door, at some point during all that.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: the process is wholly self-referential. it is in no sense different from the goings on in any insane asylum. you are essentially asking "ok, the sanitariums of the world hold a supply of at least 5000 napoleons. why is there no glorious history being produced ?"
mircea_popescu: i dunno. guess ?
asciilifeform: 'insufficient number and quality of bicorns issued to the napoleons'
asciilifeform: moar phunding needed.
mircea_popescu: clearly.
mircea_popescu: and in fact more funding is issued by the long suffering parents, either directly (as is the case in romania) or through collective buying (the state ->taxes->etc in the us).
mircea_popescu: but this can not result in any substantial change, because more effort applied to faulty premise.
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mircea_popescu: consider the ever popular https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f06QZCVUHg
assbot: Bryan Adams - Summer of 69 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ad4HIB )
mircea_popescu: now imagine that, through technological advance, there is actually no real job for any of the kids to do. so jimmy does not quit. and consequently jodi has nobody to marry. so she does not. so twenty years later, they are still in that garage, still with that guitar.
mircea_popescu: fingers still bleed.
mircea_popescu: has more music been produced ?
mircea_popescu: a lot of neuropathy to "explain" and justify it all, sure. but google can sort through all that pretty fast, especially because it being psychogenic rather than rational it is dreadfully boring and entirely predictable.
mircea_popescu: read one police report of crime x, you've read half of them. read ten, you've (practically) read them all. clinical psychology is only interesting to the patently insane, as a practice. otherwise all the notes say endlessly the same five or six things. there just aren't that many things to say. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "and then the engine blew a cylinder". gee.
mircea_popescu: and i'm putting this on my blog.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell joecool http://trilema.com/2015/youve-made-the-bed-enjoy-dying-in-it/ << you've made trilema!
assbot: You've made the bed. Enjoy dying in it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19mO58w )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/03/a_primer_on_pedophilia.html << for the reason, the guy has omfg no idea what he's talking about.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: A Primer on Pedophilia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ad8FB3 )
mircea_popescu: this is the most moldbug-like tlp article so far.
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BingoBoingo: http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/child-walk.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXromT )
fluffypony: http://phys.org/news/2015-02-hackers-billion-banks.html
assbot: Hackers steal up to $1 billion from banks, security co. says (Update) ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXrOK7 )
mircea_popescu: qntra pls!
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cazalla: mircea_popescu: But legal driving limit is usually .08% <<< here, 0.05, learner or provisional driver? 0! bad luck if your medication put you over the limit!
cazalla: personally, i am capable of driving at any limit although police did not believe such a story
cazalla: typical australian drunk driver http://youtu.be/8-0Ds05UnrA?t=32s
assbot: Just waiting for a mate - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17asvTe )
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BingoBoingo: !up Codmadnesspro
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00040406 = 20.1626 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/up-to-one-billion-in-fiat-value-stolen-from-banks/
assbot: Up To One Billion in Fiat Value Stolen From Banks | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zHrAAc )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47597 @ 0.00040406 = 19.232 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: https://hashtalk.org/topic/26497/the-guys-at-qntra-net-really-dislike-gaw-hey-wow/13
assbot: Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1zHtdxF )
Adlai: tl;dr url is sufficient
Adlai: tbh for both of the last links
Adlai → emax
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BingoBoingo: Fundnation just dropped 0.10 https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2w224h/bitcoin_core_0100_released/ "Headers First"
assbot: Bitcoin Core 0.10.0 Released : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zHuKUH )
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danielpbarron: !up hdbuck
danielpbarron: welcome to the real world!
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danielpbarron: height=189051 vs height=182929 (solid state pogo vs 5400 rpm)
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2015#1019600 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2015 15:26:42; danielpbarron: height=183012 vs height=181378 currently
Adlai: go pogo go
Adlai: although i guess the correct plugal would be pogī
hdbuck: danielpbarron ahah sure, not that i have much to say anyway. just lurking
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD 0.7.2 sync 2 now on April 15th, 2013
Adlai: hdbuck: just don't pledge allegiance to "usg and FIAT" and you'll be fine
danielpbarron: lol cazalla re: the video you posted "can you define definitive?"
danielpbarron: this guy could run for president
hdbuck: adlai never :)
Adlai prefers subaru, much better store of value
danielpbarron: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10479169#msg10479169 "Again you had me at Hitler's knob. Besides, I have a FICO score that gives me all the credit I need." << my brain is going to catch on fire..
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/17hdZc0 )
danielpbarron: this is from a "donator." doesn't that mean he gave thermos 50 bitcoin or something?
hdbuck: so whatcha gonna do when coinbase/TBF/bitpay/bitfury/KNC/ and all the usg rapist unite to promote the fork?
danielpbarron: same thing I do every day: read the logs
danielpbarron: seriously, do you think any of those groups have any effect on bitcoin?
danielpbarron: (i assume by TBF you don't mean the real one -> http://thebitcoin.foundation/ )
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/17heCm3 )
hdbuck: i think so, yea. even Karpeles had an non negligible effect on bitcoin.
danielpbarron: so did pirateat40
hdbuck: right?
hdbuck: DPR too ^^
BingoBoingo: DPR, literally the guy who wasn't good enough to sling dope as a profession
danielpbarron: this was explained very well by the great MPOE-PR, or as we know her, hanbot
danielpbarron: i'm having trouble finding the article now, perhaps someone can help me
hdbuck: anyhow if that helps i’ll gladly plug back in my antminers to mine ‘mpcoins’ ^^
danielpbarron: found it: http://trilema.com/2012/fact-of-the-matter-is-the-infrastructure-was-not-ready/
assbot: Fact of the matter is, the infrastructure was not ready pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17hfEhY )
danielpbarron: "When a small majority* of participants behave irresponsibly however the net result is not just pain to their own fortunes, but pain spread across the board. All of a sudden you have to be very intelligent, and very experienced, and very well informed to manage to keep your money safe, and often enough even that's not going to suffice."
hdbuck: eh, thats just stating the obvious. not that anyone could do anything about it. cycle of life.
danielpbarron: ok, then try this one, hdbuck : http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/
assbot: Things that matter these days ; things that don't matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmlxw7 )
danielpbarron: "I remember a time when those barely visible bumps around August 2012 and February 2013 filled the whole screen with their rollercoaster-y appearance. I remember that time because I was there and saw it, but to anyone looking today they don't matter and could as well have never existed. This will happen again, in the future."
danielpbarron: !up hdbuck
hdbuck: danielpbarron yea i like that article, read it already when it came out, anway gotta go, thanks for the heads up. ++
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/I60yGYs.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSOQ3K )
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mike_c: what is it holding?
mike_c: i want that to be cute but i can't tell if there's a death struggle going on.
BingoBoingo: I think it is pretending to be a boulder to get down a slope
BingoBoingo: I can't tell what if anything it is holding
asciilifeform: phoundation's 0.10 >> 'More script opcodes considered standard - more power for programmable money' << lol, hardphork?
asciilifeform: would someone care to explain why a previously-invalid opcode introduced by phoundation doesn't make a fork ?
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My naive understanding is that older client just see it as noise. Like the multisig stuff.
BingoBoingo: But this is a very naive understanding
nubbins`: *:asciilifeform wonders if he's the only fella here who has never rage-smashed a keyboard, pNohe, pNablet, ..., etc <<< i rage-smashed a set of folding binoculars at around age 8, broke the little compass on top. wept bitterly at the loss, resolved to only smash things i didn't value from then on
nubbins`: BingoBoingo:DPR, literally the guy who wasn't good enough to sling dope as a profession <<< if he'd stuck to website admin, his actual job, he'd prolly still be out there
nubbins`: also FWIW i think mp et al precisely misunderstood the function of silk road
nubbins`: (but so did dpr, in the end)
nubbins`: its purpose was never, ever to do something as ludicrous as move a kilo of cocaine
nubbins`: that this sort of thing directly led to its demise is no coincidence
nubbins`: consider: what is every dark market currently selling as their #1 product?
nubbins`: personal amounts of recreational drugs.
nubbins`: not kilos of coke, not guns, porn, assassinations, etc
nubbins`: padded envelopes filled with party.
nubbins`: it's just as moronic for someone to move a kilo of cocaine on a dark market as it is for someone to buy a personal amount of pot from a stranger, in person.
nubbins`: that the two activities carry significantly differing levels of risk is worth noting, but this point aside, they're equally nonsensical.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well the risk for the in person personal weed deal is functional. It keeps everyone honest.
nubbins`: generally the purchaser in a face-to-face transaction is at a distinct disadvantage.
nubbins`: guy shortchanges you by half and grins at you while he's doing it. whatcha gonna do?
nubbins`: leave him a rating?
BingoBoingo: Why not?
nubbins`: because there's nowhere i can "leave a rating" in meatspacethat will follow him around?
nubbins`: what am i gonna do, put a warning post on craigslist?
BingoBoingo: Or Yelp
nubbins`: o.O
danielpbarron: it's not so risky asking a stranger for pot where I live; recreational amount is just a ticketable offense these days
nubbins`: danielpbarron sure. and with smaller markets comes less risk, as reputation becomes more important.
BingoBoingo: Or you tattoo he shortchanges onto his forehead in the back of a van.
nubbins`: but let's rewind a bit...
danielpbarron: also, i used to bite my super nintendo controlers
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> it's just as moronic for someone to move a kilo of cocaine on a dark market as it is for someone to buy a personal amount of pot from a stranger, in person.
nubbins`: ^ from a stranger
nubbins`: suppose you moved to a new city and you wanna get lifted
BingoBoingo: Ah
Adlai: ideally the promise of repeat business would keep them honest
nubbins`: 1) hit up the park and ask the hippies 2) hit up the alley and ask the sketchbag 3) pop on SR and purchase from a trusted vendor with a list of ratings
Adlai: get cheated, find a new stranger. but this is far from perfect
nubbins`: Adlai "ideally" the first time someone buys weed from you, they're not a repeat customer
danielpbarron: hey i totally agree; silkroad was perfect for the petty stuff
nubbins`: it was DESIGNED for the petty stuff.
nubbins`: kept young white kids outta the hard parts of town
danielpbarron: when i found out the kids were buying bulk research chems, that was too much for me
nubbins`: nevermind that most of those were undoubtably fake.
Adlai: bulk research chems were sold on the open internet long before sr existed
danielpbarron: they were intentionally fake
Adlai: they're not fake, you can buy them straight from the lab
nubbins`: review left on 5-MeO-DMT: "nice effect"
nubbins`: "i think i can feel it coming on"
danielpbarron: you get what you pay for
nubbins` shakes head
danielpbarron: real LSD costs money.
nubbins`: Adlai i mean the RCs on SR were mostly fake.
nubbins`: danielpbarron now here's an interesting thing.
nubbins`: in 2006, 2-5I-NBOmE or however the fuck it's spelled was created
Adlai facepalms on nubbins`'s behalf
nubbins`: active at very low doses -- enough to fit on blotter -- and similar enough to LSD that those who hadn't dosed before could mistake it for the real thing
nubbins`: for the better part of a decade, NBOMe was the ONLY "acid" you could get on the street.
nubbins`: always sold as LSD, because who the fuck wants to buy something called 2-5i-NBOMe?
danielpbarron: that is exactly how the scam works ^ : kids these days have no idea what LSD is supposed to be like
nubbins`: then SR comes around and there's a category for LSD and a category for NBOMe
nubbins`: and people stop misrepresenting what they're selling.
nubbins`: because it turns out people are perfectly willing to buy 2-5i-NBOMe.
Adlai: yknow, reagents existed even before the internet itself
nubbins`: Adlai you don't say?
nubbins`: anyway. silk road came along. it died, others followed.
nubbins`: now when you buy LSD from a guy off the street, it's actually LSD.
nubbins`: it's twice the cost of the late 90s/early 00s
nubbins`: but (a) inflation (b) who cares
nubbins`: (c) it was underpriced to begin with
Adlai: the price of lsd is an interesting topic, given that once you pass some rather priceless hurdles, the actual cost of producing a kilo of the stuff is epsilon
nubbins`: oh sure.
nubbins`: those missile silo guys
nubbins`: marginal cost was like $0.29 per hit?
Adlai: that sounds high.
nubbins`: actually maybe that was their wholesale rate
nubbins`: details are lost to memory
nubbins`: but yeah, straight up, the actual cheapest drug to produce once you're set up
danielpbarron: it's not unlike those "asic" chips where they would burn part of the board off to make the lower end version
nubbins`: well. "cheapest" is dimensionless
nubbins`: in this regard
Adlai: "Interestingly, the $10/100mcg price is approximately what the research chemical firm Sigma-Aldrich charges (Product Link). I'm guessing the main expense is regulatory compliance. $1 for the chemicals, $99 for filling out NIDA paperwork."
Adlai: product link = http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/sigma/L7007?lang=en&region=US
assbot: Lysergic acid diethylamide | Sigma-Aldrich ... ( http://bit.ly/1L3dhN4 )
nubbins`: not available in my region ;/
nubbins`: $15 a tab seems to be dark-market standard these days
nubbins`: ;;google $15 in 1999 dollars
gribble: 1999 - Calculate the value of $15 in 1999 - Inflation on 15 dollars ...: <http://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=15&year=1999>; Inflation Calculator: Bureau of Labor Statistics: <http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm>; Canada Lunar Coin | eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/bhp/canada-lunar-coin>
PeterL: so I just applied for a job at a company, their hr is handled by SilkRoad.com , made me lol
nubbins`: ehh pretty close.
nubbins`: anyway.
nubbins`: $15 for 8 hours of fun
nubbins`: that'd buy you between one and three beers at a bar, depending on your tolerance for seediness
Adlai: or, to bastardize sam harris, 1000 years at the Mountain of Shame
Adlai: ( http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/drugs-and-the-meaning-of-life )
assbot: Drugs and the Meaning of Life : Sam Harris ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJm59D )
Adlai: "I ingested 400 micrograms of LSD. I was twenty years old and had taken the drug at least ten times previously. What could go wrong?" lol
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins` prepares to write a list
Adlai left out the part about sam doing this on a rowboat in a nepalese lake
nubbins`: "I can think of no right more fundamental than the right to peacefully steward the contents of one’s own consciousness."
jurov: -query thestringpuller
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Adlai likes mckenna's "If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."
mircea_popescu: Adlai http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/ << funnily related, fresh off the presses.
assbot: This is why medicine is not a liberal profession, but a servile career pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJnAVm )
Adlai: this footnote density is really outta hand
mircea_popescu: not even the worst offender, that one.
nubbins`: dat lack of credits
nubbins`: i'll read it next week 8)
mircea_popescu: lol send me a copper bitcent, i'llset you up
ben_vulpes: "Why, he will be castigated by the authority, cast out by the other doctors, and no longer be able to call himself a doctor." << rarely happens in the ussa, but this place is a hellhole.
nubbins`: "Have you ever traveled, beyond all mere metaphors, to the Mountain of Shame and stayed for a thousand years? I do not recommend it."
nubbins`: mp addy plox
jurov: almost all alternative cancer treatments i saw had some emdee face from the US attached
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of that : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/01/not_competent_to_make_medical.html#comment-26
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Not Competent To Make Medical Decisions? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJpvcB )
nubbins`: actually i guess i can do this myself right on the page
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: !up Codmadnesspro
nubbins`: BUT WHO WILL HOLD MY HAND
mircea_popescu: urc0k ?
Adlai: the cock wagging the hand?
mircea_popescu: why not!
nubbins`: why did this man feel that taking 400mcg of LSD, alone, in a rowboat, in the middle of a lake, in nepal, was a good idea?
nubbins`: ah, youth
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell imsaguy http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-ii/ << hey remember 2011 ?! random commenter dug it up.
assbot: Fetele bitcoin-ului, episodul II pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJq0TV )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but in any case, it probably happens even rarely-er to slavegirls.
nubbins`: hey, it ended with a quote from "the varieties of religious experience"
nubbins` highly recommends Sagan's "the varieties of scientific experience"
Adlai: and omitted james's favorite variety.
nubbins`: same lecture series, ~90 years later
Adlai: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/nitrous/nitrous_article1.shtml
assbot: Erowid Nitrous Vault : The Subjective Effects of Nitrous Oxide, by William James ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJqRnt )
nubbins`: Adlai i can recall trying to explain to someone what it's like being put to sleep by "gas" when in the hospital
nubbins`: after hemming and hawing for a bit, i said "it's like doing whippets until you pass out"
nubbins`: paused to think
Adlai: s/like //
nubbins`: "actually, take the word 'like' out of there"
Adlai: yeah :D
nubbins`: :D
mircea_popescu: i thought they use simple N2 in those cans, not NO
Adlai: N₂O
mircea_popescu: is it ? but why ?
mircea_popescu: n2 much cheaper, inert.
Adlai: it's kinda illogical for n2 to get you high
Adlai: or rather, the n2 high is the most common one, by faaaaar
Adlai: the default high, if you will.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda illogical to tell me you actually think billions of gallos of heavy duty intoxicant are being sold otc all over the world.
nubbins`: o.O
Adlai cited no numbers
nubbins`: ...they are.
Adlai: also nitrous isn't that cheap
nubbins`: like a buck a hit!
Adlai: if lsd fun is $2/hr, nitrous is more like $200
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: so how much does a can of whipping cream cost ?
mircea_popescu: $79 + tax ?
nubbins`: couple bucks
mircea_popescu: buncha dopeheads.
nubbins`: skip the cream, buy the canisters.
Adlai: skip the cannisters, buy the tank
mircea_popescu: and you still think the can's pressurized with n2o ?
nubbins` facepalms
nubbins`: of course it is.
mircea_popescu: because just n2 not good enough ?
danielpbarron: there was a guy with a nitrous tank at porcfest with a group of zombies crowded around it
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's precisely n2o.
nubbins`: https://www.google.ca/search?q=whipped+cream+canisters&tbm=isch
assbot: whipped cream canisters - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJsa5Z )
Adlai: how on earth (the planet with an atmosphere full of nitrogen) would nitrogen gas get you anything other than sober / oxygen deprived
davout: mircea_popescu: you get high from n2 starting at ~4 bar partial pressure iirc
mircea_popescu: so someone sells you $200 an hour stuff at coupla bux a can ?
danielpbarron: the trip lasts about a minute
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: Adlai most dopeheads can't distinguish asphyxia from a high.
nubbins`: the trip lasts almost precisely as long as you can hold your breath.
mircea_popescu: ^
PeterL: Adlai: oxygen deprivation can feel like getting high?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu FWIW asphyxia is a completely different buzz.
nubbins`: also FWIW as long as your air has, what, 15-20% oxygen, you're fine
Adlai: i'm sorry, but if you can't distinguish o2 deprivation from n2o intoxication, then you've never intoxicated on n2o.
mircea_popescu: get a mass spectrometer, can at it, see if it's n2o or n2 or co2 (more commonly now)
Adlai: they are *different*
nubbins`: o.O
nubbins`: <--has been high on medical-grade n2o
nubbins`: <--has also tried whippets
danielpbarron: how is it surprising you can get high with whipped cream? you can also make your own ether fairly easily
nubbins`: <--has also held breath til unconsciousness (!)
Adlai: now THAT is impressive willpower
nubbins`: Adlai every day is a winding road
danielpbarron: as a teenager i impressed some friends with that little trick: buy some starter fluid, mix with water in garbage bag, wait for it to settle, drain out the impurities
nubbins`: mircea_popescu while co2 canisters are popular, they're a different size and generally used for paintball/bb guns
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im more talking the industrial side of things here.
mircea_popescu: suppose you have a canning operation.
nubbins`: ok, let's take Air Liquide for an example
nubbins`: ;;google air liquide
gribble: Home > American Air Liquide: <http://www.us.airliquide.com/>; Careers > American Air Liquide: <http://www.us.airliquide.com/en/careers.html>; Search Jobs and Apply > American Air Liquide: <http://www.us.airliquide.com/en/careers/search-jobs-and-apply.html>
mircea_popescu: do you buy the expensive and license-requiring n2o, or the cheap atmospheric gas ?
nubbins`: well, it depends. what do i want to use it for?
mircea_popescu: making two buck a can whipping cream
Adlai: fwiw, there's "automotive-grade" and "food-grade" nitrous. the latter is (supposedly) regulated to contain nitrous and not whatever else is cheaper.
mircea_popescu: right.
nubbins`: yeah, "NOS" is n2o.
Adlai: and yes, if you buy a tank of nitrous oxide, and you don't check what grade it is, you will get sulfur dioxide (or worse) impurities
mircea_popescu: is there also a medical anesthetic ?
mircea_popescu: also regulated, amoing other things, to not be dispensed otc / to unlicensed physicians ?
Adlai: +nubbins` | <--has been high on medical-grade n2o
nubbins`: most dentist's offices have n2o on tap.
nubbins`: every hospital does.
mircea_popescu: most household bathrooms however do not.
Adlai: ;;google cause i'm a dentist
gribble: Little Shop of Horrors I'm a Dentist - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHsDKqKE_kc>; Little Shop of Horrors - Dentist Song - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM>; Little Shop Of Horrors - Dentist! Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/dentist-lyrics-little-shop-of-horrors.html>
nubbins`: unless they buy n2o cartridges from the restaurant supply store.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, all hospitals also have morphine on tap.
Adlai: some even have desomorphine!
mircea_popescu: kinda why druggies try to steal from hospitals rather than police stations or courthouses.
Adlai: er, diamorphine
Adlai: i doubt any have deso :P
nubbins`: mircea_popescu plain n2 is probably not fat soluble.
nubbins`: (guessing)
Adlai: ... why not?
Adlai: plain n2 is probably anything-soluble
Adlai: (guessing)
mircea_popescu: to get a pressurized container you don't need fat solubility, nor is 2 buck a can whipping creram anything but styrofoam.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, co2 is not bread soluble either, works just fine to leaven bread.
nubbins`: well the fat solubility is what whips the cream.
mircea_popescu: you're nuts.
nubbins`: you're nuts.
nubbins`: add heavy cream to a canister.
nubbins`: add n2o.
mircea_popescu: and shake ?
nubbins`: no.
PeterL: it needs to be non-soluble to make the bubbles
nubbins`: if the container is pressurized, the n2o will dissolve into the cream.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wish to visit the industrial plants artists would make to support their independent nation
nubbins`: now you have liquid cream filled with n2o.
nubbins`: when this is released into the atmosphere
mircea_popescu: PeterL shut up, he can distinguish highs and also has vision spectrometry built in.
nubbins`: the n2o releases itself from the cream
nubbins`: foaming ("whipping") it in the process
PeterL: I just don't understand how the world works?
nubbins`: srsly, howstuffworks.
mircea_popescu: well, not his.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` and this would not work the same with any other gas.
Adlai wonders whether anybody bothered to read william james's gassy babblings. tl;dr: "There are no differences but differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference."
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'd imagine it would
mircea_popescu: so then who thefuck would use anything but either co2 or n2, ie, atmospheric gases.
nubbins`: "it produces whipped cream four times the volume of the liquid, whereas whipping air into cream only produces twice the volume. If air were used as a propellant, oxygen would accelerate rancidification of the butterfat; nitrous oxide inhibits such degradation. Carbon dioxide cannot be used for whipped cream because it is acidic in water, which would curdle the cream and give it a seltzer-like "sparkling" sensation."
mircea_popescu: notice 02 wasn't there. it's obvious why not : fucking expensive. because reactive.
Adlai: related: you want to sell roses in gas stations. q: why would you add a useless hole to your vase? a: because you don't actually want to sell roses, you're selling crack pipes.
nubbins`: of course o2 isn't there
mircea_popescu: right. and ok, co2 is acidic. that leaves n2.
Adlai: but n2 won't bring additional revenue from kiddies looking for kicks
nubbins`: i'm no chemist, but maybe if we asked someone qualified, they'd be able to give an actual answer
mircea_popescu: (kinda why co2 is used in "beverages" - acidity there's a plus)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` like who, PeterL ?
PeterL: I'm thinking about it
mircea_popescu: PeterL do you have a mass spectrometer anywhere ?
nubbins`: i'm not sure why you think there's an industry-wide conspiracy and that all whipped cream canisters are intentionally mislabelled?
nubbins`: that's retarded
PeterL: not since I got laid off a couple weeks ago
nubbins`: like, actually.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it gets you to buy it, dunnit ?
Adlai: we could also ask google: http://www.justsayn2o.com/nitrous.dairy.html
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PeterL: and I think gas chromatogram is what you are looking for?
mircea_popescu: not a single fmcg item is properly labeled if the dispute is "get nubsy to think it's better than it is"
nubbins` sighs
mircea_popescu: PeterL yeah. i r physicist not chemist. and a theoretical one at that >D
nubbins`: so the premium fuel i'm putting into my car is actually regular grade?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` can we now move on to the wrestling dispute ?
nubbins`: sounds like you've got this conspiracy cracked wide open
Adlai: it's actually just nitrogen
Adlai: your car moves by magic
mircea_popescu: no, but it doesn;'t "protect the engine"
nubbins`: right.
mircea_popescu: tho they claim it.
mircea_popescu: and have, for > 50 years.
mircea_popescu: 'new formulation, protects the engine!11"
nubbins`: so our options are: (1) n2o is actually n2o and there's a reason why n2 won't cut it. or (2) all n2o is n2, without exception, and every single person who knows this secret isn't telling.
nubbins` nods slowly
Adlai: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free.png
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nubbins`: (2) does sound like the more reasonable one
nubbins`: (1) is suspicious
mircea_popescu: nubbins` our options are, 1) two buck a can items are made with the cheapest possible thing and 2) two buck a can items are made with expensive medicine, because there's a conspiracy to keep kids entertained while they can't legally as much as buy a drink.
Adlai: 3) mircea_popescu is trolling nubbins`
nubbins`: no kidding
mircea_popescu: that goes without saying bitch! :D
nubbins`: anyway
Adlai: yeah but nubbins` seems set on convincing you, rather than trolling along...
mircea_popescu: he's half and half.
nubbins`: Adlai it's one of my failings
mircea_popescu: he was more like 80/20 when he was younger, but he learns.
PeterL: my guess is that N2o is used because, like propane, it becomes liquid at reasonable pressures
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Adlai: now let's talk about how danielpbarron passed off diethyl ether as moonshine
nubbins`: fun fact, cooking sprays generally use propane/butane
nubbins`: if you're quick, you can spray some into your mouth and breathe fire
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nubbins`: if you're slow, you get a terrible, terrible taste in your mouth without any neat flames
nubbins`: and cooking spray spit all over your house.
nubbins`: at least, that's what i hear.
mircea_popescu: PeterL what's n2 ?
PeterL: n2? nitrogen?
PeterL: it's a gas
danielpbarron: Adlai, wah? no i didn't
Adlai: :P
danielpbarron: we didn't drink the stuff; we huffed it through a rag
Adlai: did it make you helpless and depraved?
danielpbarron: NO! totally overrated!
mircea_popescu: yes nitrogen. what temp i mean
mircea_popescu: to have a comparison
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, Adlai: in fact, you need 2x the amount of pressure to keep n2 liquid.
nubbins`: so... suck it. ;/
mircea_popescu: yeah, because totally, pressure is unavailable industrially. nobody ever used 2x the pressure to save on 90% the c ost.
Adlai sucks in n2, and lets it out
PeterL: not temp, pressure is what is important here, I am looking it up, just give me a sec...
mircea_popescu: at least not prior to 1720
Adlai: danielpbarron: i guess it's lost popularity for good reason
nubbins`: totally, it's the same cost to make a vessel resistant to twice the pressure. 8)
nubbins`: those fools!
nubbins`: nevermind that you're literally rupturing the canisters with a fuckin spike
mircea_popescu: shut up and let the chemist investigate
mircea_popescu: fucking lobbist!!11 THIS IS SCIENCE
PeterL: critical point for nitrogen is only 125 K, critical point for n2o is about 35 K
nubbins`: oh hi, the rest of freenode
mircea_popescu: PeterL that does anything you figure ?
Adlai: trivia: n2o and n2 were both isolated in the same year, by different chemists. i hope they had a shitfest over who had really isolated nitrogen before realizing they were distinct compounds :D
ben_vulpes: welcome back nubbins`
ben_vulpes: i missed ya
nubbins`: i think this is the second time mp tried to tell me my subective experience was incorrect
mircea_popescu: Adlai they totally did actually, if i recall my biographies correctly.
nubbins`: also the second time i took the bait ;(
nubbins`: feelsbad.png
PeterL: yeah, that means at room temperature you can have liquid n2o, but not liquid n2
mircea_popescu: nubbins` clearly this would be because... your subjective experience... is ...
nubbins`: an affront to your ego
nubbins`: XD
mircea_popescu: PeterL 125 is not quite room temp. more like 273.15
PeterL: right
mircea_popescu: you can have solid fucking hydrogen at room temp if you push it hard enough
PeterL: room temperature is much higher than n2's critical point, but below the critical point of n2o
mircea_popescu: 125 and 35 K are both under 0 C ?
PeterL: oops, I meant 35 C for n2o
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: all the whipped cream is probably using elemental hydrogen as a propellant, then.
nubbins`: it's cheaper, obvs
mircea_popescu: yeah, good idea, mix K and C that'll result in clarity :D
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah it'll hydrolize teh vegetal fats
nubbins`: who cares?
Adlai: no, it'll result in a bunch of wildly angry cokeheads
nubbins`: it's just kids
PeterL: h2 would probly need a catalyst to do anything to your fat
danielpbarron: maybe there's something to what MP is saying; I can get pretty high from holding my breath while standing up suddenly ☟︎
mircea_popescu: who ythe fuck knows what's in there tho
nubbins`: i know N2H used to be common for this purpose.
mircea_popescu loathes canned cream.
nubbins`: danielpbarron FWIW this is completely different from n2o buzz 8)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you don't say. try it while ejaculating suddenly sometime. ☟︎
nubbins`: scroll up, i've passed out from both and can compare
danielpbarron: lol
nubbins`: bbl things
nubbins`: oh also if any of you are into birds
nubbins`: we have a new batch of books done up
mircea_popescu: birds as in women ?
nubbins`: http://patrick-canning-ppkq.squarespace.com/birdsofnewfoundland/birds-of-newfoundland
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nubbins`: birds as in, of a feather
nubbins`: what is this, london in 1960? :D
nubbins`: crikey mate
nubbins`: this bird's gone all uh
mircea_popescu: o hey
nubbins` grasps
nubbins`: women's lib-y
nubbins`: or something
Adlai: wodehousian?
nubbins`: there ya go
Adlai: pronounced "wood house in", of course
nubbins`: also MFW i realized the "machismo" of north america in film, tv, commercials, etc etc was a response to second-wave feminism
nubbins`: in the 70s
nubbins`: anyway bbl
nubbins`: neckbeards gonna neckbeard
mircea_popescu: i don't really think "2nd wave" feminism was ever important enough to engender noticeable reaction.
mircea_popescu: obviously current fem derps would very much like to think so, mostly because it involves people they like to promote.
PeterL: so to finalize where I was going, since n2o goes through the gas/liquid transition you can squish much more into the can at a reasonable pressure than n2, and so you get fluffier cream when it comes out of the can. n2 whipped cream would not be fluffy.
Adlai: and it gets you high. who doesn't like products with dual market appeal!
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
mircea_popescu: i guess this drama's dried up, need to move on to something else to keep the btc price up. ☟︎
PeterL: has nothing to do with solubilizing in the cream
mircea_popescu: how about "I am blocking you due to your association with a argentinian ass bag named MirceaPopescu who has stolen the personal information of many people on fet life and posted it to a web site."
mircea_popescu: my dream is that at some future point two groups of people will beat each other up to cries of "the asshole's a romanian gypsy!" "no he's an argentinian commie!"
Adlai: actually it's a lot worse, he's part of BITCOIN
mircea_popescu: HE FORKED BITCOIN INTO STAYING THE SAME!
PeterL: so mircea_popescu, when are you going to start pushing up the bitcoin price so you can win the berkshire bet?
mircea_popescu: that soudns too much like work.
Adlai: after he's done betting enough that he also wins the billion dollar bet bet
PeterL: have your slaves do it for you?
mircea_popescu: if my work self wins the bet, then that's not really the real me winning
mircea_popescu: i want to win by itself!
Adlai: it's not Work if it pays out in Virtual Currency
mircea_popescu: that's a theory...
PeterL: the only work worth doing is the kind that pays out in bitcoin
ben_vulpes: have we done exercise strategies yet?
ben_vulpes: or macronutrient ratios?
ben_vulpes: lots of lulz and drama to be had there.
mircea_popescu: speaking of macronutrients, http://38.media.tumblr.com/02a5dae6f2717b6f017869b0f09290cf/tumblr_n7gk41YjaL1snq5aro1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJBV47 )
ben_vulpes: heh great
ben_vulpes: lady v loved cunt-in-a-box btw
mircea_popescu: haha cool.
PeterL: !up xuthus
xuthus: \o/
mircea_popescu: mike_c http://thetarpit.org/posts/y01/031-bitcoin-as-infrastructure-iv.html#fn1 << check it out, you had at least one fad!
assbot: The Tar Pit - Bitcoin as infrastructure [iv] ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJHIGY )
mircea_popescu: fan*
mike_c: oh, wow. that's cool :)
mike_c: i take back everything i ever said about footnotes.
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mecsighbsW1ql6862o1_1280.jpg << you can now buy medieval torture devices.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJIAeu )
mircea_popescu: much better quality than ximenez ever had.
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xuthus: mircea you are sick...
mircea_popescu: right now ?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: !up xuthus
xuthus: yep right now with your toy images
mircea_popescu: i didn'ty make it!
mircea_popescu: i merely report. to inform and entertain! im thye fucking gray lady over here.
xuthus: then you are forgiven
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can only speak for my case, but yes, the culinary shops sell NO2. where i live - in small cylinders approx. the size of a shotgun shell. i know full well which gas it is, because my sole use of it is in a miniature cutting torch.
mircea_popescu: aha!
mircea_popescu: so war on drugs that are powders ? gases are ok ?
mircea_popescu: unrelated lulz : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/04/inflammable_means_flammable_wh.html#comment-39883
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: "Inflammable Means Flammable? What A Country!" ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBlB1K )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laughers can get all the laughing gas they could wish for, yes. i often see these bottles - emptied - lying on the kerb, fallen out of upturned student house dumpsters.
mircea_popescu: whoops... in which we find tlp has 75% fewer comments than trilema over twice the period ? this sucks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i lived there i'd prep my girls with a literful of it in the rectum before going to a student party in one opf those cramped apts like they do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for all i know, this is precisely how it is used.
mircea_popescu: kinda discretely fart while standing, right in the face of seated ppl.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and n2o not no2
mircea_popescu: right, no2 can't even exist.
mircea_popescu: also useful, http://38.media.tumblr.com/00984e56d18f885fdaa213761577a56f/tumblr_mlvpd4F8jh1rvhqkto1_250.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vQ1gsQ )
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so war on drugs that are powders ? gases are ok ? << don't forget plants
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: likes plants
thestringpuller: i kno i do
ben_vulpes: slander!
thestringpuller: :( i thought we were bff ben_vulpes
thestringpuller: I was gonna visit you up in the great NW when I was out in SF in March since its a train ride away.
thestringpuller: I guess no beers.
ben_vulpes: still can if you want to
ben_vulpes: just...slander
thestringpuller: so you don't like plants? I knew you were a 100% carnivore.
thestringpuller: forks! not knives!
asciilifeform: 'medieval' pear << a gear puller is almost precisely a pear. visit a bicyclist's shop.
mircea_popescu: ;;google Frederick Davidson, 36, grad student in engineering at San Diego State, shoots three professors at his dissertation defense.
gribble: San Diego State University shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_State_University_shooting>; Frederick Davidson | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: <http://murderpedia.org/male.D/d/davidson-frederick-martin.htm>; 3 on San Diego State Faculty Fatally Shot - Los Angeles Times: <http://articles.latimes.com/1996-08-16/news (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: talk about a fckin defense.
mircea_popescu: ;;google Dec. 6, 1989: Gamil Gharbi, 25, engineering student at the University of Montreal, kills 13 women and wounds others (he released the men.)
gribble: The Last Psychiatrist: University Shootings: I'm Sure It's All Just A ...: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/05/university_shootings_im_sure_i.html>
mircea_popescu: nubbins` also 2nd wave reaction ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this reminds me of d00d who attacked guy with a katana at Tech. << http://nique.net/news/2010/02/11/officials-release-sword-attack-details/
mircea_popescu: dude so backward can't even get semis ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: close quarters, unskilled hands, unarmed target - blade has something to recommend itself over pistol
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mircea_popescu: the katana is strictly useful to the skilled hands.
mircea_popescu: the ak-47... less strictly so.
mircea_popescu: it was made for russians after all :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strictly... to the skilled hands << against bare flesh ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: (for instace : it's trivial to get a blade stuck. say in the rib cage.
mircea_popescu: also trivial to break it, say in the lumbar spine.
mircea_popescu: etc etc. one who's never butchered - say game - doth not readily feel the difficulty of the problem)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, humans aren't "bare flesh" in the sense of, overgrown squid. it's really quite well designed a mechanical apparatus. not least designed to... withstand swords.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps the ancient art of 'sword test' will be revived one day.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, anybody with a kitchen knows that 'meat' isn't strictly flesh, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes except one pound of prime rib is a) one pound rather than one hundred - and quantity has a quality all of its own - for instance it won't likely spit blood in your eyes ; b) already intensively prepared. for instance ? skin removed.
mircea_popescu: a large part of the problem is similar to why you can't shoot fish worth a crap. skin, muscle, fatand bone have widely variant refractive indexes.
PeterL: mircea_popescu:right, no2 can't even exist. << does exist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_dioxide "reddish-brown toxic gas has a characteristic sharp, biting odor and is a prominent air pollutant."
assbot: Nitrogen dioxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeZErd )
mircea_popescu: jesus my chemistry's totally forgotten.
PeterL: don't worry, you have me to correct you :)
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/41c9f07f7468fc09605f0698ad415ca6/tumblr_mos7vz0RqF1rlxsb8o1_1280.jpg have a pretty blonde with impossible tits as your just reward.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Af00xU )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is a very entertaining comic book (yes) titled 'samurai executioner', about the life and times of a (loosely historic) fella who famously specialized in testing swords on whole bodies (alive and dead).
PeterL: would be funny if some derp snorted NO2 instead of N2O
mircea_popescu: they'd choke
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i learned of it from ilkka kokkarinen. despite the format, worth the evening or two to read.
PeterL: right, not funny for them, funny for us watching
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unrelatedly, can you imagine that fetlife rebelled, and banned my... acount. but not the ip. i'm still in shock over the fact.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulziez
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder if the internet itself shouldn't have a bus factor.
mircea_popescu: ie, osama killed off the us simply by flying a bomb disguised as a plane into the us financial nerve center disguised asa building.
mircea_popescu: is the next nut going to end the internet by killing 5k anon people that were 99.x% of all the people who understood how it works ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that 'grandfather time' has already clobbered most of'em
mircea_popescu: well, yes. because in 1970 there were like 100k.
mircea_popescu: down to 5k. like the bitcoin nodes.
mircea_popescu: "all is fine, don't worry, throw LOCs by the thousand million, because it's like a truck, it can hold anything
mircea_popescu: and it's worth doing it for your idiotic "national interests" of trying to hide useful bugs in the morass"
mircea_popescu: in short : once sociopathology is identified, it's god damned everywhere.
PeterL: and it makes work for derpy coders
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of which, gnat built and functions on another box (presently i lack the time to investigate why, but will eventually say)
mircea_popescu: PeterL who all rely on an ununderstood externality.
mircea_popescu: PeterL for some reason i had thought N is trivalent and somehow this made n2o possible but no2 impossible
mircea_popescu: i guess esther n link
mircea_popescu: or how do you call the double link again ?
PeterL: double bond?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: like acetylene, what's that ?
PeterL: well, there are plenty of compounds that don't have perfect octets for all the atoms
mircea_popescu: ok but generally two hydrocarbons united by a double link at some point are called something no ?
PeterL: ethylene
mircea_popescu: alkyne
PeterL: alkene
mircea_popescu: ok
PeterL: alkyne has triple bond
mircea_popescu: erryday i's learn things i used to know.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this is how I feel when I listen to your stories MP.
thestringpuller: This channel reminds me of someone holding court.
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PeterL: thestringpuller: expound on the court idea?
thestringpuller: So I guess I visualize the IRC channel as a bunch of people huddled in some large beautiful room. A new person enters and one of the lords is like "you have permission to speak, what have you?" Which reminds me of congregations of days of old.
PeterL: zxs,;2ow[4f6latyrews/qsjde;iuop['f[p
PeterL: ack! 3yo atacking keyboard
mircea_popescu: hello precocious 3yo. signatures already ?
Adlai: Which reminds me of congregations of days of old. << except our doormen are robots
thestringpuller: lol. I can't wait til a large crypto company is left to a precocious 3yo.
PeterL: and there is not one king at the throne, it is more like a council, or the greek forum
thestringpuller: "I want toys. Lets build toys."
thestringpuller: PeterL: it's more feudal IMO than those examples, but same gist of things.
mircea_popescu: the lulz thickens http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/
assbot: Sooo... FetLife is butthurt. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjCxA1 )
ben_vulpes: i just tried to share a folder from one mac to another
ben_vulpes: functionality that's worked for what, a decade?
ben_vulpes: fucking nothing.
ben_vulpes: i can see the guy's laptop, can't even open the "dropbox".
ben_vulpes: he can't even see mine from his machine.
ben_vulpes: good job apple.
mircea_popescu: apple just works neh ?
ben_vulpes: way to break functionality that's just worked.
PeterL: does he have sharing enabled on his machine?
ben_vulpes: PeterL: i'm pretty savvy with the os x shit.
ben_vulpes: sharing is on.
ben_vulpes: on mine as well.
ben_vulpes: the amusing thing is how their "airdrop" shit doesn't work either.
ben_vulpes: .1 btc sez it's because i refuse to upgrade to 10.10
mircea_popescu: im not taking that.
PeterL: I am still on 10.5, I don't know anything about the new versions
ben_vulpes: PeterL: kudos to you
ben_vulpes: i dismiss the upgrade notification each and ev-er-y day.
PeterL: not like I did it on purpose, now I can't get any new software
thestringpuller: airdrop is iffy
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: Yosemite is the best upgrade evah tho
thestringpuller: that Hand-Off
thestringpuller: and SMS in iMessage for iPhone users
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/
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mircea_popescu: o scoopy's back ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fetlife article << mega-lol!
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
mircea_popescu: someone drop it on hn, maybe the folk are bored and looking for a rehash of 2005's internet politics ?
ben_vulpes: reusable code means code you can copy and paste elsewhere in your codebase
mircea_popescu: shoul;dn't that really be a function/object/we ?
mircea_popescu: "Taking Iraq and President Bush as starting points, and examining the defense mechanisms we use to cope with both, yields the unsurprising conclusion that we are a society of narcissists.
mircea_popescu: While this discovery is familiar to readers of my blog, what might be a surprise is what this heralds for our society politically and economically. It isn't socialism, or even communism, as I had feared. It's feudalism. It's not 2007. It's 1066."
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/05/the_wrong_lessons_of_iraq.html << guy knew about 5 years before me.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Wrong Lessons Of Iraq ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjTOsI )
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: wish I had bashed that.
mircea_popescu: http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=30897,filename=dre_burning_man.jpg << lol ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FjVzX9 )
thestringpuller: holy shit if that's real that's fucking hilarious
thestringpuller: "Wish I was up in that ass."
thestringpuller: I'm totally signing emails to my girl that way for now on.
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: from what i gather dr dre invented the modern, commercial burning man
mircea_popescu: ianae, maybe im being trolled.
nubbins`: just maybe
nubbins`: oh, my pogoplug arrived today!
nubbins`: so tiny
mircea_popescu: thjey're small aren't they
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pete_dushenski: shkoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/16/shame-them-beat-them-parent-them/
assbot: Shame them, beat them, parent them. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yNRhiv )
pete_dushenski: "Nobody’s really talking about it, but I suspect this is a wider trend: blogs aren’t dying, but they are significantly declining. 2015 might be a rough year."
pete_dushenski: uhuh right
pete_dushenski: i'm sure that using someone else's platform is "just as good"
pete_dushenski: and that shallow splashes in the kiddy pool are going to replace the ocean.
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mircea_popescu: o ya, im sure lol.
mircea_popescu: course it's fairly obvious who would be claiming that, and why.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> shoul;dn't that really be a function/object/we ? << being a bit sarcastic here boss
mircea_popescu: gotta prop up that whatsap pool
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oh kk
pete_dushenski: lol yup
ben_vulpes: found thirty lines copied 3 times each
ben_vulpes: variable names changed
ben_vulpes: comment blocks left unchanged
ben_vulpes: oh the life of a webdev monkey
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pete_dushenski: "The U.S. National Security Agency has figured out how to hide spying software deep within hard drives made by Western Digital, Seagate, Toshiba and other top manufacturers, giving the agency the means to eavesdrop on the majority of the world's computers"
mircea_popescu: lols
pete_dushenski: "It is not clear how the NSA may have obtained the hard drives' source code. Western Digital spokesman Steve Shattuck said the company "has not provided its source code to government agencies." The other hard drive makers would not say if they had shared their source code with the NSA. "
mircea_popescu: derp.
pete_dushenski: ya another wound for the nsa
pete_dushenski: and anyone doing business with the americans
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danielpbarron: a hard drive has source code?
mircea_popescu: well they run something on the embedded chips.
pete_dushenski: the firmware for it does
Adlai: my hard drives have tons of source code!
Adlai: is it that hard to imagine that nsa doesn't need the manufacturers' text source to backdoor their drives!?
Adlai: and even if they did, it's probably faster for them to steal it than ask nicely (not that the latter wouldn't work... it just takes time and paperwork)
mircea_popescu: how does the diddled source end up on the hdds ?
pete_dushenski: The group used a variety of means to spread other spying programs, such as by compromising jihadist websites, infecting USB sticks and CDs, and developing a self-spreading computer worm called Fanny, Kasperky said.
pete_dushenski: Fanny was like Stuxnet in that it exploited two of the same undisclosed software flaws, known as "zero days," which strongly suggested collaboration by the authors,
Adlai: i'm not this kind of 'hacker', but i gather that if you have root access to the computer, you can send arbitrary bits down the bus connected to the hdd
pete_dushenski: from the article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/16/us-usa-cyberspying-idUSKBN0LK1QV20150216
assbot: Russian researchers expose breakthrough U.S. spying program| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzqH2G )
mircea_popescu: Adlai yes, but that does not necessarily replace the firmware.
mircea_popescu: if it did... think about it.
Adlai: http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack&page=3
assbot: Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Hooking up JTAG ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzqV9Y )
PeterL: thestringpuller: I figured out why your blog was killing scoopbot: there is no author field included
mircea_popescu: yes but you gotta hook the jtags...
punkman: the hdd manufacturers publish firmware updaters
mircea_popescu: that work off the data bus ?
punkman: pretty sure
mircea_popescu: that's pretty dumb eh.
Adlai: sorry, this one: http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack&page=6 "The Western Digital firmware upgrade tools proves this is possible: it's basically a tool you run under DOS to put new firmware to both the flash and the service area aka the reserved sectors of the hard disk."
assbot: Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Software flashing ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dzrb8W )
punkman: http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en
assbot: Firmware Updates for Seagate Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dzrgt6 )
punkman: "Until recently, firmware updates for typical desktop and laptop computers were difficult and somewhat risky. This situation, in part, was based on a lack of friendly firmware download tools and operating system limitations. This situation has improved and Seagate now offers firmware updates as a routine matter for the general support of your Seagate drive."
mircea_popescu: i can not begin to conceive how this is an improvement.
pete_dushenski: PeterL: same with my articles then ? author needed ?
Adlai: improvement... because the ceo gets fewer phone calls from usg
PeterL: no pete_dushenski, I still don't know why yours are failing
pete_dushenski: lolk
Adlai: they can backdoor the drive without the ceo having to patch usg through to the cto
pete_dushenski: let this go down in history as a great mystery
Adlai: it's because PeterL doesn't beat scoopbot in public, instead berating the authors
pete_dushenski: like why suleiman didn't try to conquer vienna again
pete_dushenski: Adlai: ha!
pete_dushenski: give scoopbot an old man haircut
pete_dushenski: teach that indignant fuck who's boss
Adlai: spraying water on a puppy's face works wonders, has anybody tried that with brats?
PeterL: I sprayed my cat a couple times to keep her from walking on the dining room table, never tried it with my kids
Adlai: you managed to train a cat!?
Adlai: they must not make them like they used to
mircea_popescu: it's generally better to talk to children
PeterL: well, "train" as in she does not do that one thing which I liked least
Adlai: where is mircea_popescu and what have you done with him!?
mircea_popescu: lol
PeterL: who here has the most kids?
mircea_popescu: you and mike_c have each one afaik, that being teh record.
pete_dushenski: cazalla has a pair iirc
PeterL: I only have 3 so far
mircea_popescu: cazalla only 1 no ?
pete_dushenski: you're probably right
pete_dushenski: 3 takes the cake then
mircea_popescu: only 3 ? dude, you kidding, you're the guy the biological survival of the english speaking world relies on if you have 3. what only/
cazalla: i only have the 1
PeterL: well, only as in I might have more later, and two of my siblings have more than me
cazalla: first and last
mircea_popescu: is it fun ?
pete_dushenski: cazalla: lol colour me shocked
cazalla: it can be lots of fun
PeterL: making kids is fun
Adlai: there should be #bitcoin-asslings with hand-held log readings and condescension seminars
mike_c: i have 1.5
cazalla: pete_dushenski, how do you feel about actually letting the little shits in the playground run amok so that you can gauge how much of a pussy your own kids are if they don't stand up to him?
PeterL: how do you have half a kid?
mike_c: bun in the oven
mircea_popescu: PeterL is this due to some sort of religious belief or just personal preference ?
PeterL: religious belief? more of a cultural thing
pete_dushenski: cazalla: not sure that would determine my kids' pussiness one way or another
pete_dushenski: it may be energetically cheaper to ignore the tard
cazalla: pete_dushenski, well he is either going to turn around and smack the other kid upside the head or allow another kid to hen peck him
PeterL: but yes, a few families at church bigger than mine
pete_dushenski: cazalla: or move to the other side of the playground
pete_dushenski: or ask to go home
cazalla: pete_dushenski, or smash the kid and have him move instead
pete_dushenski: sure
cazalla: i am inclined to let kids sort out their own drama anyway, turns out they usually end up friends by the next day anyway
pete_dushenski: i'm not advocating for helicoptering
pete_dushenski: cazalla: i could see that
pete_dushenski: as many relationships start
pete_dushenski: guy teases girl, they end up dating, etc
cazalla: well, that's more teenagers
Adlai: anybody read perez's "Technological Revolutions and Financial Capital" ?
cazalla: as i see it, the problems begin when parents/teachers get involved and start teaching the kids it is better to seek out an adult to deal with the bully than hit back and sort it out yourself
Adlai: oh we're discussing Ender's Dilemma now
mircea_popescu: cazalla that's kinda how it goes yes.
mike_c: physically fighting bullies has a short lifespan. when you get to high school they get a lot stronger.
cazalla: mike_c, that's what friends are for, real friends, the ones with balls, the ones who will grab his arms from behind while you sock him a couple times
cazalla: what do i know though, only went to naughty boys school for 6 months :P
mike_c: hehe. it's a strategy i suppose.
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PeterL: !up copumpkin
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cazalla: researching an article and you know what would be good? a wiki of bitcoin companies, who was involved, when they launched/closed etc etc, edited and maintained by a select few
mike_c: somebody was doing that..
mike_c: BingoBoingo: that was you!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: it would be good. if you have the time/energy, cazalla, it would work well as a companion to qntra.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like that arrington thing worker, we its name was
mike_c: crunchbase
cazalla: crunchbase?
mircea_popescu: right that.
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: huge workload tho.
thestringpuller: scoopbot /wind 12
mike_c: smaller if it's crowdsourced
mike_c: a million eyes makes everything easy!
scoopbot: New post on Pull Your Own Strings: http://thestringpuller.tumblr.com/post/111222539949
mike_c: but seriously, if there were an L2 editable repository (like the b-a wiki), I'm sure multiple people would contribute
PeterL: aha, it worked!
thestringpuller: :D
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Pretty sure I threw in the towel because sources that needed consulted were threatening brain damage
lobbes: So getting ZNC configured to use SSL ended up being a great 'introduction project' for learning some of the basics of linux. I would recommend to all the other n00bs out there
cazalla: i actually like the idea, i might brainstorm some ideas and see what i come up with, start by cherring picking the easier topcis such as exchanges
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: Child soldiers make the best kids.
pete_dushenski: i'll take your word for it ;)
pete_dushenski: jokes aside, soldiers are obedient and dedicated
pete_dushenski: they appreciate authority and understand hierarchy
pete_dushenski: so i suppose child soldiers would make decent kids
mircea_popescu: lobbes wd. ☟︎