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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00039258 = 7.6553 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00039258 = 4.7698 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32563 @ 0.00039258 = 12.7836 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00039258 = 9.4808 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17323 @ 0.00038953 = 6.7478 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40877 @ 0.00038779 = 15.8517 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25170 @ 0.00038736 = 9.7499 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39787 @ 0.00039258 = 15.6196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32228 @ 0.00038939 = 12.5493 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39671 @ 0.00039991 = 15.8648 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00040161 = 9.1366 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00040198 = 10.1701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00040198 = 15.436 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17914 @ 0.00042164 = 7.5533 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: mats: is that server-side or does it generate key in javascript?
decimation: mircea_popescu: is your "forever living" comment a slight on "young living"?
mats: it looks like its all js but i have a shallow understanding of how things in the browser work
decimation: mats: yeah because server-side would be obviously retarded
mircea_popescu: (/me has once rescued a well bosomed oyung lady from their old womanly clutches)
decimation: no doubt some plant extracts can solve medical issues
decimation: but often these mlm schemes charge $$$ for dubious products
mircea_popescu: this thing is strictly separated from any consideration but sales.
mircea_popescu: yes, vegetal goop is potable. no, there's no reason to pay 95 bux or w/e
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
☟︎☟︎☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25736 @ 0.00042369 = 10.9041 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00041848 = 1.6321 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45423 @ 0.0004237 = 19.2457 BTC [+]
assbot: already have block - causing bandwidth to be wasted - vicious circle? · Issue #1120 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1TTgCpc )
decimation: delete all txns without valid blocks on disk?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 02:10:49; mircea_popescu: aloe vera is useful in dermatology.
decimation: asciilifeform: you should audit the class
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26941 @ 0.00042 = 11.3152 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 02:46:03; decimation: delete all txns without valid blocks on disk?
gribble: Current Blocks: 362724 | Current Difficulty: 4.969238635489384E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 362879 | Next Difficulty In: 155 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 243.04, Best ask: 243.13, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 243.13, 24 hour volume: 10324.91808216, 24 hour low: 240.61, 24 hour high: 243.9, 24 hour vwap: None
decimation: asciilifeform: if done in javascript it's not immediately stupid
decimation: it's possible it doesn't upload the privkey immediate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00040718 = 3.7868 BTC [-]
decimation: yeah I was about to ask where the entropy for the rng comes from
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
mircea_popescu: version 70002 - 50 version 70001 - 9 version 60001 - 9 version 60000 - 1 Total - 69
mircea_popescu: (server itself is declaring 60001, and im unsure what the foundation nodes will say. 50001 maybe ?)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16039 @ 0.00040718 = 6.5308 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: wait the server gens the whole key?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as there's two. "version" : 60200, "protocolversion" : 60001, for instance
decimation: asciilifeform: I don't see any crypto code in the javascript, but it's not a very familiar language. I do see an input form with a submit mechanism
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00041304 = 9.9336 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "runs for them a short part of the way and for us the whole way".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the entire shitfest is going to be killed by its own methods.
mircea_popescu: singing "you've made your one nail bed, now lie in it" to a happy tune.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, "We shall drown, and nobody will save us" is exactly right. they shall, drown. nobody will, save them.
decimation: well, his reasoning is sound, people have no business on twitter
mircea_popescu: he is part of the entire shebang pushing "twitter as a business - business as a twitter"
mircea_popescu: what's next, "quisling has a point - people should stand up for what they believe in" ?
mircea_popescu: not a point sam altman may ever have. his points, such as they are, must be of an entirely different nature.
decimation: yeah altman is getting his just deserts
mircea_popescu: i dunno about spandrell ever, but who cartes. "note that altman is gay in tech and that didn't save him" ? fu nutso boi.
decimation: he's one of those on the fringe of the 'reactionaries'
decimation: I think he might actually live in china
decimation: ?You don?t get it?, says General Wang. ?The emperor is a suspicious man. He doesn?t trust anyone. Right now I have under my command 600,000 men, the entire army of the country. Every once in a while he must be asking himself: ?What if this Wang Jian guy rebels against me??."
decimation: And even if he doesn?t ask himself, there?s always an annoying eunuch paid by a rival general trying to backstab me, saying that I am famous and honorable, and that the opposition might rally around me, that I?m too powerful and must be killed sooner rather than later. Only by openly displaying that I am a vile, corrupt character who only cares about money, can I make the king trust that I have no higher ambition.?
decimation: And so Wang Jian kept sending messenger asking for stuff, and the King never suspected his loyalty. He liked his pettiness. Wang Jian went forward to invade Chu, destroy its armies, capture his king, and annexed the country into the soon to be Qin Empire. He went back home, and very unusual in a famous general, died a peaceful death.
decimation: ^ the king (Ying Zheng) was the guy buried with a massive terra cotta army
decimation: whose tomb is apparently still intact, and is rumored to contain an entire map of china with all the rivers made of mercury
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32866 @ 0.000414 = 13.6065 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: apparently they don't wanna open the tomb until they can be sure they won't ruin it
decimation: heh from la wik:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang < "Mao Zedong, chairman of the People's Republic of China, was reviled for his persecution of intellectuals. On being compared to the First Emperor, Mao responded: "He buried 460 scholars alive; we have buried forty-six thousand scholars alive... You [intellectuals] revile us for being Qin Shi Huangs. You are wrong. We have surpassed Qin Shi Huang a hundredfold. When you ber
decimation: yeah, according to la wik the traditional historiography focuses on his immortality 'schemes'
decimation: yeah as i recall he took mercury pills
decimation: asciilifeform: did you even play 'romance of the three kingdoms' on nintendo?
decimation: although the menu scroll became annoying
decimation: although I also enjoyed several classic dos games like master of orion and x-wing
decimation: I believe early nintendo had keyboard (sold in japan)
decimation: for some reason they declined to enter the 'cheap computer wars'
decimation remembers fondly going to the video rental store to rent nintendo games
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00041414 = 3.3338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21933 @ 0.00041414 = 9.0833 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041414 = 1.698 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19511 @ 0.00040704 = 7.9418 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00040449 = 12.4785 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43031 @ 0.00040191 = 17.2946 BTC [-] {2}
Chicago: Hey thanks, Whats the topic this hour?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8415 @ 0.00040461 = 3.4048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00040513 = 4.6185 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00040911 = 2.7819 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: bingo_bar ya should be drinking and chatting to the honeys not irc nerds
mircea_popescu: "We write elegant and minimal apps that works. We develop web apps with Django framework."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3001 @ 0.00041738 = 1.2526 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00041738 = 1.753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00041738 = 10.7475 BTC [+]
awokestillY2K: thanks punk, rottentomatos is flagged too, loled on arnie
punkman: apparently that's gonna cost about 100mil euros
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00040854 = 6.6592 BTC [-]
cazalla: nice one america, now i'm gonna hear even more gay marriage bullshit downunder
cazalla: not that i really give a fuck what a bunch of gender bender trans fluid unicorns do, just the fucking posturing "i'm sooo progressive look at moi, look at moi, look at moooi"
punkman: what if you are allergic to rainbows
cazalla: awokestillY2K, ya know this will be the hot topic the aus gov uses at the next election to pass the baton
awokestillY2K: you can thank your favourite god that noones forcing anyone to get married
awokestillY2K: here im starting to work on 48 unit billable days tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68944 @ 0.000402 = 27.7155 BTC [-] {2}
awokestillY2K: machetes are for plantlife kids, lets make that clear
assbot: Office of the Governor - Greg Abbott - [Press Release] Governor Abbott Statement On Supreme Court Ruling On Same-Sex Marriage ... (
http://bit.ly/1Hm5dZI )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00039718 = 11.4388 BTC [-]
cazalla: i'm hoping it will act as kindling
cazalla: more crazies doing their thing is how
cazalla: nah, have not been to the cinemas in years
awokestillY2K: poor cunt spent half the movie with forks for teeth
cazalla: fuck paying $25 to sit through 45m of commercials.. the fucking hide
cazalla: independents bit too far for me to bother
fluffypony: and got a Silver Ticket projector screen
fluffypony: now there's no way I'm going to the movies again
cazalla: can't see 3d.. took me something like 20 years to understand why i couldn't see those stereoscopic books as a kid too
cazalla: ya drinking awokestillY2K ?
cazalla: i'll take that as a yes (still sober this month)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17332 @ 0.00039868 = 6.9099 BTC [+]
cazalla: i'm thinking i'll refrain unless i make it myself.. have a guava here and in a few years time shahtoot mulberries should be big enough to make something
cazalla: aww shit mate gotta put the bins out
awokestillY2K: neighbours know whats going on like ur dicks on tumbler
awokestillY2K: man i love rainbows as much as the next guy, but i like pussy
cazalla: how self absorbed can one be to make a coming out video where you don't really come out to your parents but just send them a link to a video
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00040982 = 9.6513 BTC [+]
cazalla: half these women have shaving rash mind you, guess noone told em about wax
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00041392 = 17.0121 BTC [+] {2}
awokestillY2K: hey if you dont want a precise machete thats ur biz
awokestillY2K: im orf to bali to buy cocaine from a north african and install the latest russian adobe update]
cazalla: ya know that ukrainian doll never came back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29684 @ 0.0004134 = 12.2714 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 99 @ 0.054 = 5.346 BTC [-]
cazalla: shame that nearly all of 'em don't give as much as a smile
cazalla: ya know if you regged a fucking gpg key ya might be able to do that awokestillY2K
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23989 @ 0.00041485 = 9.9518 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: US Supreme Court ruling in favour of same-sex marriage could influence debate in Australia, federal politicians say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... (
http://bit.ly/1dnp7Hv )
punkman: lots of empty ATMs from what I hear
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18689 @ 0.00040982 = 7.6591 BTC [-]
punkman: also acquaintances told to come back monday when they tried to take out cash yesterday
punkman: before then announcement that is
awokestillY2K: look on the bright side, youll prolly get cool aussie polymer notes u can swim wit
punkman: gonna be a fun week I guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00041953 = 27.689 BTC [+] {5}
awokestillY2K: punkman might not care but erry useless cunt on the floor wants out
punkman: yeah everyone taking out their 500eur to keep under the mattress
awokestillY2K: meanwhile errone with a shed heres syntheticing diamonds
punkman: gonna be a great week for burglars
punkman: well not hard to hide 10 bills, but I'm sure there'll be some jackpots
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 306 @ 0.00629999 = 1.9278 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00041665 = 9.1246 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00039718 = 9.4727 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98758 @ 0.00039335 = 38.8465 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21762 @ 0.00039198 = 8.5303 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9588 @ 0.00039113 = 3.7502 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00039587 = 4.7504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00039587 = 1.0491 BTC [+]
doyouevenpan: put the fuck on a horse hell inver and ride pon the belly strap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00039443 = 8.8352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35753 @ 0.00039112 = 13.9837 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17985 @ 0.00040181 = 7.2266 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00039429 = 18.9259 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00039107 = 10.246 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: heres yer mandatory keys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22680 @ 0.0004091 = 9.2784 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00040932 = 12.1977 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00040875 = 11.0363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00039999 = 18.7195 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41859 @ 0.00039894 = 16.6992 BTC [-]
mats: four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
☟︎☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00039894 = 8.9363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23257 @ 0.00039894 = 9.2781 BTC [-]
mats: it helps that i have a window open for this channel most of the day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00039164 = 6.8341 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00040353 = 1.8966 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00040353 = 4.2572 BTC [+]
mod6: asciilifeform: hi, no unfortunately I end up doing a bunch of side-scrolling too.
mod6: when I get a chance, i'll see if there is anything to be done about it. (if anyone has any suggestions, let me know)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.000392 = 20.3056 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37614 @ 0.00040103 = 15.0843 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2599 @ 0.00041272 = 1.0727 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3053 @ 0.00039618 = 1.2095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15234 @ 0.00039618 = 6.0354 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29816 @ 0.00039119 = 11.6637 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: common in china though, works well for them
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2014 00:04:59; asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.
mats: hacker dorms is a common thing
mats: software company that puts interns in such dorms for the summer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18401 @ 0.00041261 = 7.5924 BTC [+] {2}
mats: in exchange they get to put on their resume, 'Associate Software Engineer -- Workday, Inc'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00040851 = 10.2945 BTC [-] {2}
mats: i would not want to live and breathe work but to each their own
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24036 @ 0.00039194 = 9.4207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00039194 = 14.7369 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 15:57:03; mats: four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
mats: its really not that much for housing
mats: you can rent 1br1ba with living room in santa clara for ~2500/mo
mats: which is 25mins commute from e.g. infinity loop
mats: (former resident of cupertino here)
mats: marginally more hispanics and crime but not noticeable
mats: im not saying its not reasonable
mats: but service industry slaves do get by with living within driving distance and renting
mats: you won't get the lifestyle seen on HBO's Silicon Valley but it is workable
mats: i refer to kid being promoted beyond competence who buys yacht
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2014 14:59:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9204 @ 0.00039194 = 3.6074 BTC [-]
mats: you have my condolences
jurov: as it happens... i have no dishwasher, too
jurov: lol i do. but nothing that can't be washed in 5 minutes
jurov: and since there's pub with good food and kebap around the corner...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56650 @ 0.00039163 = 22.1858 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: i see... but i kinda like to get served and meet neighbors in that pub
jurov: when i got a window fixed some months ago, asked them to add external blinds
jurov: and i do use them to have darkness like in coffin :D
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 248.86, Best ask: 248.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 248.87, 24 hour volume: 14381.80943877, 24 hour low: 241.45, 24 hour high: 249.77, 24 hour vwap: None
jurov: did xinhua say anything?
jurov: haha doesn't look very comfortable
mats: they prefer the term 'space pods'
jurov: and if, i'd prefer to get cremated every evening instead
mats: ;;calc [ticker --currency CNY --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
mats: ;;calc [ticker --currency CNY --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00039778 = 7.9158 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0004012 = 13.8013 BTC [+]
shinohai: @ asciilifeform I made a phuctored command for my bot so I can always see the latest keys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60676 @ 0.00039062 = 23.7013 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: Hmmm. I think I will give that a shot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65174 @ 0.00038989 = 25.4107 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00038855 = 11.7731 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 15:57:03; mats: four months of trading on mpex has turned 40btc into almost 80
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 18:08:28; lobbesbot: New post:
http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; ) || Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (Christoph Giesel ; )
mircea_popescu: Trustcenter_EU <trust@mch.sbs.de>; among the lulziest.
jurov: i see. full hashes should be used everywhere. except for btc-dev patches ;D
mircea_popescu: not like anyone types those by hand or tries to memorize them jurov
jurov: btw, have you seen my conclusion that gpg signature does not contain anything useful?
mircea_popescu: assbot: Unwind Better on the Balcony of This 1BR/1BA Apartment Today! <<< ahahaha omfg.
mircea_popescu: i'd have so much trouble paying more than 4, maaaaybe 500 bucks for something like that....
jurov: well. i am sending hashes in headers too, but getting anyone to use them...
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 18:56:30; asciilifeform: does jurov have dishes ?
mircea_popescu: jurov i suspect trhat is the correct approach : add to the header space.
mircea_popescu: we fucking forget. omfg the thing... no wonder nobody runs it. i doubt very much it can be run. like, at all.
mircea_popescu: i am looking at 10!!111 load on a 8 cpu, 32 gb raid ssd machine.
mircea_popescu: the cpu utilization is actually low, but the load is immense because i dunno wtf it does but something stupid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, it's multithreaded doesn't parallelize :D
jurov: mircea_popescu: did you publish your addy? it may be an attack
jurov: my 0.10 is chugging around on celeron+5400rpm spinning rot okay
mircea_popescu: the advertised seeder has been working more or less ok - it's not being attacked more than is implicit in the protocol lol.
mircea_popescu: something to the tune of 30ish connections, which seems reasonable for a day old peer.
jurov: lol no it actually died
jurov: 2015-06-27 19:30:42 ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool : nonstandard transaction: dust
jurov: 2015-06-27 19:30:48 ERROR: ReadBlockFromDisk : OpenBlockFile failed
jurov: ^last log before croaking
mircea_popescu: jurov so wait, is this your 0.10 that was working ok ?
mircea_popescu: "oh my computer is working fine with bitcoind stopped on it"
mircea_popescu: as an absolute prerequisite to any sort of block increase we ABSOLUTELY MUST clean up these shit-stables
jurov: it ran for months till hour and half ago
jurov: watching it restart...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw in the spirit of the "connect" issue : having public and private data separate is iirc not supported STILL. you gotta keep the wallet.dat in same place you keep the blockchain. gold help you if you want it encrypted.
mircea_popescu: this without going into why the wallet.dat, after being plaintext for a coupla years, was only half-ass encryupted.
mircea_popescu: wasn't trying to write policy, just bemoan existing insanity.
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 19:04:04; asciilifeform: except that sometimes forget to wake up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahaha if it turns out this was actually written by poor ms indian slavebois, who kept anon simply because of the draconing IP contracts thery had signed...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a wonder i even managed to make the conference at all. i haven't had a watch or aty allcared about time in a decade.
mircea_popescu: at some point travelling i was like "fuck it, WHO CARES what time they thinkg it is."
mircea_popescu: there is a "no undies - i wanna be able to fondle your cunt" rule, but s'about all.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i have nfi what you're proposing, but my thinking is that it's more expensive and less productive to think proactively rather than reactively.
mircea_popescu: once a bot or w/e goes off, we see what we do. before, we don't give a shit.
mircea_popescu: this of course is painful for every good white boy to hear, as it's strictly antipattern and countercultural,
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, there is great benefit to being antipattern countercultural when being a guerilla.
mircea_popescu: if it made sense to not be thus, you couldn't be, ~COULD NOT BE~ a guerilla if you wanted to
mircea_popescu: other than that, published code is a good idea, sure. but also - anything is its maker property, and the people in question makin things can best decide what to do with it.
mircea_popescu: i think most everyone's using github or w/e - but it wouldn't maybe be such a bad idea to start putting deeds out with the code bundles. with instructions. "run this so and so"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: deeds with code bundles and instructions makes sense.
pete_dushenski: and i have no qualms with reacting to circumstance, i'm more getting at : what's to be done with unassigned functions
mircea_popescu: a loosely maintained list of posts, and a loosely maintained list of "don't shoot that way dummy" makes sense, but s'about all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know this isn't a random process. what makes you think it's for him ?
mircea_popescu: atm the entry level thing for coders is, "follow the pogo thing, build along, test cases etc". for non-coders is, qntra.
mircea_popescu: for artists i suppose it's eulora work etc. there's really no shortage o shit to do.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i keep asking people "who are you". nobody seems to ever be anyone, which is odd, but anyway.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the ibmpc buildroot sounds like a spec for the 'trilema jobs board'
mircea_popescu: "the demands of meatspace readily overwhelm the demands of #bitcoin-assets" << this is everyone's own measure to measure.
mircea_popescu: i don't see why i'd want to have an equivalent of the mcd supervisor, calling people at home to remind them they work.
mircea_popescu: just not what this thing's supposed to be, in my dreams.
pete_dushenski: sometimes financial, sometimes honourary, sometimes a million other things in a million other ways
mircea_popescu: yes, but the deliberate design of incentive structures is a bad idea.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: because the only thing it does is select for and breed rats.
mircea_popescu: much like tests in school select for and breed test takers.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, people also need self-esteem. i'm not about to "provide" it for them, in vacu-sealed packages. and they need to hunt, which does not reduce to "i'ma let a half dozen naked girlies loose in their room see what happens". that's how rich people destroy their children.
pete_dushenski: is providing something to hunt, or the directions to the hunting field, not 'incentive structure' ?
mircea_popescu: seems you've fucked that hole into some looseness by now...
mircea_popescu: (btw - never ask virgin to clamp down on you. it's a little discussed fact that vast majority of penis captivus cases come out of something lik that)
mircea_popescu: (because of the tearing, vagal never innervation makes the smooth muscles over-reactive)
mircea_popescu: but very related. a spasm is always at the root of both
mircea_popescu: think of pc as "vaginismus that declared while guy was inside"
mircea_popescu: (amusingly enough, romanian even has expression to describe this in man - "s-or catelit" ie, they've doggied themselves)
mircea_popescu: innervation driven muscular spasms blocks blood egress
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mircea_popescu: ftr, there is no serious evidence as to the exact fisiology of vaginismus either.
mircea_popescu: The Most Serene Republic Of~ << this sounds great i gotta say.
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jurov: haha, so far "eulora client hacker" positions were filled quickest
jurov: dunno about reward there
mircea_popescu: cum's the tastiest thing i nature from what i hear, nobody hunts the cock.
punkman: I trimmed the bison's butthairs, but they grew back.
mircea_popescu: actually... nevermind. my burgeois mentality betrays me.,
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jurov: orly, nobody hunts the cocks?
jurov: scientia sciolorum est mixta ignorantia
jurov: (just some snippet i found today, might be vaguely related, but smells by lingua latina canina)
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jurov: my favourite motto was lately "Historia meretrix vitae" .. on seeing these examples I'm thinking how to get it more...er.. penetrating
pete_dushenski: also, google finance is as bad as gbtc on otcmarkets : "52 week 1,844.09 - 4,526.92" when peak is clearly 5166 on june 12
pete_dushenski: either way, an *index* losing 19% in two weeks is 2008-level of panic
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williamdunne: Any speculation on what's going to happen with Greece in the coming years then?
williamdunne: Massive decline or outright collapse, followed by the rise of a Nazi party or similar?
jurov: preposterous prosperity!
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 21:21:25; mircea_popescu: yes, but the deliberate design of incentive structures is a bad idea.
trinque: pete_dushenski: part of the answer to the question of making the republic's bot services fault tolerant is getting them within a damn wotnet
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trinque: well, suppose for example someone hates freedom and steals deedbot.org from me
cazalla: pete_dushenski, be specific because i go so far as to exclude the monthly reports from the word counts
trinque: from within the wotnet I may (depending on its design) be able to explicitly delegate the hosting task to some other trusted party should I be absent
pete_dushenski: cazalla: i have no problem with network diff posts btw
trinque: asciilifeform: yes but not made of DNS necessarily, or any particular IP
cazalla: i really don't think he does that in order to scoop up a few additional shares though
mircea_popescu: williamdunne no dude. greece has the african scam down pat.
mircea_popescu: it's going to simply leech money off a different husband
trinque: they've got craploads of natural resources in their wallet aside from other things
pete_dushenski: cazalla: the incentive is there is all, hard to tease out the psychology past that
mircea_popescu: the greeks have exactly zero incentive to do anything other than "housewife" and haven't, for ~2300 years now.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: it also encourages more frequent posting and more in-depth research, so i'm not saying it's an unreasonable trade-off
williamdunne: trinque: Thought I'd read something about them not being willing to do so, can't find it now though so probably the effects of alcohol
mircea_popescu: spend persia's money, spend rome's money, spend turks money, spend british money, spend usian money, they will spend someone else's money.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: just that it's a function of 'inherently bad' incentive structures
trinque: williamdunne | Maybe some Greek princes will emerge << how bout greek welfare queens?
mircea_popescu: italians only woke up to the model a half millenium later, but basically doing the same.
williamdunne: trinque: How can that emerge? Already exists nope?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: americans will be next... in like 3 centuries
mircea_popescu: Comrade Joke would be an excellent idea for a webcomic
mircea_popescu: set in a faux soviet russia very much like present day us
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski as an exercise for you : what is the difference between the disruption caused by the absence of the comrade joke webcomic, which nobody has started yet, and the disruption caused by the absence of x service, which equally doesn't exist but at some point did ?
mircea_popescu: same thing, it'd seem. "our enemies", ie, sloth and stupidity, have disrupted our webcomic. LET US TAKE MEASURES!11
mircea_popescu: what measures could they be ? shift the active from this to that, therefore disrupting this now ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nonstandard stuff is nonstandard, disruption is disruption. the bitcoin (tmsr~) management model is simply difficult to grok
mircea_popescu: much like bitcoin finance is so slippery, even for the best financial minds.
mircea_popescu: not unlike trying to approximate pi on the basis of fortran four.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol this break is exactly the point i'm making on my 'second crack' update
trinque: man I kinda like that... putting tasks which need done in terms of that which they deprive the republic
mircea_popescu: i am kinda amused by pete's fundamentally tragic figure, btw.
mircea_popescu: he writes these posts in the full knowledge that they'll be like... "NONE OF YOUR DIGITS ARE RIGHT MATE!!!. it's not 4, it's 3. not .0 but .1. not .x0 but .x4. not .xx0 but .xx1. not .xxx0 but .xxx5. etc.
mircea_popescu: "your approximation of pi fails on every single point!111"
pete_dushenski: one who enjoys making a public hash of things, just to let them breathe, then correct
pete_dushenski: there has to be someone halfway up mt sinai, playing broken telephone between moses and the golden calf lovers.
pete_dushenski: "that's not what i said you idjit !" "oh, my bad, let me try again !" "that's a bit better !"
trinque: I wouldn't be a common lisp programmer by now if I hadn't aired a bunch of idiotic thoughts of my own on programming in public.
jurov: mircea_popescu: another 0.9.1 runs fine for months, only with "errors" : "Warning: This version is obsolete, upgrade required!"
jurov: not sure when they 'cated the warning
trinque: asciilifeform: had a thought earlier driving around re: your observation that there are lisps in many fields: a high water mark reached, then from which retreated.
pete_dushenski: trinque: gotta find the boundaries of the glass jar by ramming into it head-first
trinque: I recall someone making the point that there can be greater distance between men than men and animals
trinque: lisps must occur where there were men orders of magnitude better than their contemporaries, such that the contemporaries barely had any idea what they were doing there
cazalla: jurov, those warnings are the fucking things i've been getting every 2-3 weeks for months
trinque: so they continued on and eventually engulfed the subject in their own shit
trinque: that to me clearly points out the role of power in human life
trinque: to *prevent* that from happening.
trinque: I don't follow "doesn't leak"
trinque: probably not enough people got it when it first appeared?
trinque: I recall some theory that this happened with the pyramids
trinque: there were earlier egyptians supposedly that knew how to make the things, then there were later egyptians that basically squatted on what was built before, having no idea how it got there
pete_dushenski: alrighty, time to go run off all this ice cream i've been tragically eating. a la prochaine !
trinque: asciilifeform: isn't this "leaking" more something like not having enough vessels to preserve it?
trinque: someone towering comes along and he knows how to do X; yet without enough others that understood him, it'd make sense that the knowledge ends up lost
trinque: the vessels I meant were human heads
trinque: I've heard it said that were the US to want to repeat Apollo, they'd have to practically start from scratch, as nearly everyone who had mastery over the processes used before are now dead
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i find the proposition that "version numbers" are any sort of program signal utterly retarded.
mircea_popescu: it's basically an implementation of racism. the presuposition being that the color of the skin conveniently summarizes the abilities of the thing contained in that skin
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> trinque: actually 'lisps' happen because the alternative would be a civilization that doesn't leak. and we don't have one of those to kick around << amusingly enough, re the earlier dog discussion : dog cunt seals, for this reason.
mircea_popescu: i am apparently unfamiliar with the sfs of your home world.
mircea_popescu: "The recognition that rewards can have counter-productive effects is based on a variety of studies," << it is strictly based on a felonious substitution. it is exactly like saying "sex can be unpleasant for women" on the basis of the sex we practice being very violent rape.
mircea_popescu: the shit the puritan us does for "rewards" is NOT the statu quo. it is just the retarded, intellectually bankrupt, morally offensive charicature of the world the usian puritans came up with.
mircea_popescu: so no. rewards reward. being associated with the refuse of white civilisation does neither reduce to that, nor stand for it, nor is a basis of a conclusion. of course nobody sane or thinking wishes to be associated with the filth.
mircea_popescu: just like i wouldn't take a nobel on the basis that i do not wish to have the shiot they gave obama.
mircea_popescu: "oh, recognition has ocunter-productive effects". no. perelman rejected the recognition you were offering BECAUSE IT CAME FROM YOU
mircea_popescu: and no, promises to pay from josh garza are not bitcoin
mircea_popescu: and no, the "opinions" of tim swanson are NOT opinions. because no wot. and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: the source matters first and foremost. just like you cant have "a message" without first having the key to decrypt the asc with
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