mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090166 << as if a reverse engineer needs any further "branding" or advertising past the ability to do hisd work.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 22:30:17; mats: reverse.engineer can be had for $48,000
mircea_popescu: i don't think there was ever someone unemployed in that field, ever.
mircea_popescu: even fucking air traffic controllers have slumps, once or twice a century one's unemployed. maybe two if it's real bad.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090172 << "focusing on yourself" and "getting real, real rich" is no different from seal focusing on itself and getting real, real fat.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 23:00:36; lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084982 << Why ridiculous? Wealth is good, no? Or are you saying that amassing large amounts of currency is pointless in a 'post-industrial' world.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00028488 = 7.8342 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090176 << nope. wealth by itself, especially if you imagine cash is "wealth" , does not allow any power whatsoever.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 23:06:50; lobbes: Surely wealth alone is not enough, but it does allow some 'power' does it not? Either way, I'm just some schmuck aspiring to wealth. Not sure how much I'm qualified to speak on such things.
mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
mod6: ok all set on the reciprocity fee. sorry for the bother.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00026971 / 0.00028926 / 0.00031364 (2111148 shares, 610.69 BTC), 7D: 0.00023767 / 0.00026111 / 0.00031364 (31724636 shares, 8,283.77 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028358 / 0.00040484 (105161566 shares, 29,821.75 BTC)
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/tewksbury-police-pay-ransom/ << scoop still somewhere other than here
assbot: Tewksbury Police Pay Ransom | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8h47y )
mircea_popescu: mod6 wd
mircea_popescu: peterl too
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl yo, there ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "There is no total figure available for the total cost inflicted by the multi agency investigation though $19,604 was paid to Delphi Technology Solutions, the firm which handled the ransom payment for Tewksbury. "
mircea_popescu: this pretty much explains how the thing work. "in order to pay 500 bux to terrorists we must first pay 20k to our own people!"
funkenstein_: cyberlocker not only helped their security but also boosted GDP
Vexual: 20k guys must have had negotiation privilege
mircea_popescu: i suppose as the dea goes bankrupt the ex-dea agents move on to helping local police "fight terrorism" at the rate of 20k for every .5k paid out
mircea_popescu: biznis is biznis.
funkenstein_: now that they've seen a real one they can start faking them
Vexual: http://www.american-buddha.com/3AMIGOS-9b.jpg
BingoBoingo: I wonder how many petty traffic, weed, and misdemeanor tickets would have been unprosecutable if they didn't pay the people to pay the turroristas
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: something they couldn't even legally do, which is why they had to bring in delphi for 20k.
mircea_popescu: more on point : i wonder how many people didn't have to pay their tickets because had intelligent lawyer who disputed chain of custody claims of police.
BingoBoingo: I wonder if the cheiftain did math on fines they's collect on vs. Delphi's bill
mircea_popescu: those documents are probatively worthless now anyway.
mircea_popescu: unless nobody contests it, of course.
BingoBoingo: It doesn't even really take an intelligent lawyer.
BingoBoingo: From the Dpt. of US Satellite States https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB7RD6xUIAAlm8i.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8k3gb )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... as if a reverse engineer needs any further "branding" or advertising past the ability to do hisd work << it is entirely possible to be under- or even un-employed, or mal-employed (substitute appropriate term..?) in any profession, and yes, even that one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... wealth by itself, especially if you imagine cash is "wealth" , does not allow any power whatsoever << i am astonished that this needed to be elaborated. any 'wealth', lacking that other element, can be separated from the 'owner' and his earthly bones by the folks who have both
mircea_popescu: "i have an army, it's all castles, unmanned"
mircea_popescu: "srsly ? and where is this ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anything's possible. in this case tho, the discussion is whether it's possible without the subject's will.
asciilifeform: it is possible if subject is in sufficiently sticky glue trap
mircea_popescu: mebbe.
ben_vulpes: *sigh*
ben_vulpes: good afternoon, serenissimists
mircea_popescu: good afternoon, worst jew.
asciilifeform: actually the record for 'worst jew' is probably mine
asciilifeform about half jew depending on how counted, but doesn't know a thing about jewing
mircea_popescu: can you do the hand thing ?
asciilifeform: hand thing?
mircea_popescu: you know, the eeeee-eeeh thing
asciilifeform: doesn't ring a bell
BingoBoingo: http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << Incredilol
ben_vulpes: turns out the argentines want *translated* court documents demonstrating name change, *and* they want the translations *notarized* and they want the *notarized shit* bearing a apostille, which today i learned to be a thing.
ben_vulpes: this, i suppose, is what i get for being a us subject
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc9-rYBOS5w
assbot: seinfeld...."cause you got a Cadillac" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8n6F3 )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mega-lulz. i must admit that i never tried to use ubiquiti's linux in earnest
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It just sounds so much like the Pogo linux situation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l. i think it might be a new york thing
mircea_popescu: that's what i said.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: like just about every 'gpl inside' thing ever.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes your passport in a different name ?!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah i uh changed my passport to my new name
mircea_popescu: dude. does the thing have a picture of you in it ?
ben_vulpes: yessir.
ben_vulpes: but the entry fee is registered to the *old* passport.
mircea_popescu: so get a new one.
ben_vulpes: a new "reciprocity fee" document?
asciilifeform recalls that getting a passport in usa takes a rather long time.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: it's fiddy bux or w/e it is, self-serve online.
asciilifeform: 200-ish iirc
asciilifeform: but yes, on their www
asciilifeform: shits out a barcode to print
mircea_popescu: http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << i can't believe whoever wrote that seriously thinks linking to unitedagainstnucleariran.com bolsters whatever point they may wish to make.
ben_vulpes: i know how to pay the reciprocity fee, jackholes
ben_vulpes: having.
ben_vulpes: already.
ben_vulpes: paid
ben_vulpes: it.
mircea_popescu: yes. well. visiting argentina will turn out to have been the largest expense of your namechange.
mircea_popescu: as absurd as that may sound.
ben_vulpes: i take some solace in the confusion it'll bring to my poor lizard obama agents.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << i can't believe whoever wrote that seriously thinks linking to unitedagainstnucleariran.com bolsters whatever point they may wish to make. << Oh, you caught the third layer lulz there. http://qntra.net/2015/03/private-lawsuit-dismissed-because-of-state-secrets-privilege/
assbot: Private Lawsuit Dismissed Because of State Secrets Privilege | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8onvQ )
mircea_popescu: "That's why I decided to make a "deblobbed" version of OpenBSD."
mircea_popescu: guy's nice and all, but...
mircea_popescu: safepay btc ads ? srsly ?
BingoBoingo: Thing seems to be mega crankbait impersonating legit crank
mircea_popescu: how many entries are there between index 46 and 59 ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> shits out a barcode to print << yup. $160.00 USD for U.S. citizen
mircea_popescu: somehow 13 items became 14 wtf.
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: heya everybody
ben_vulpes: hola pete
ben_vulpes: ;seen thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: ;;seen thestringpuller
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 15 hours, 7 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> ^- close the bet
BingoBoingo: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 3 hours, 19 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <jurov> yes
BingoBoingo: ;;seen dooglus
gribble: dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 43 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 59 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <dooglus> and paragraphs
BingoBoingo: ;;seen Adlai
gribble: Adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 6 hours, 32 minutes, and 1 second ago: <Adlai> ;;bc,stats
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes how goes the swamp battle to argentina ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 351040 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1759 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 20 hours, 24 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48149916522.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.62198
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu when reading older trilema articles, i notice the odd trackback to contravex, but not so much on the newer articles. are these getting stuck in your spam filter of late ?
mircea_popescu: it is possible.
mircea_popescu: do you get any sort of error message ?
pete_dushenski: nope.
pete_dushenski: come to think of it, the "bitcoinpete" links had a much higher success rate than contravex
pete_dushenski: as we know, wp sucks a donkey's cock, but it still seems odd that none are getting through these days
pete_dushenski: mebbe you don't want them, which'd be your call
pete_dushenski: but if it's just the filter then i thought i'd give you a heads up
mircea_popescu: lemme see here
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ << try that see what happens ?
assbot: How to fix your local trackbacks ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8t9K2 )
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell funkenstein_ i'm assuming this is you ? http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=66
assbot: Altcoins: Why you need them | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8thJj )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu that's what brings this up, but to be honest, your instructions are over my head!
pete_dushenski isn't smart enough to sling dope, it seems
mircea_popescu: like where ?
pete_dushenski: like at the most basic level
mircea_popescu: lmao get out
joecool: :(
pete_dushenski: joecool me!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu what, i've never traversed a database before
pete_dushenski: i was all excited when i first read the article, then soon realised that i had miles to go
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while on the subject of trilema mechanics - what's 'dupa trompi' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trompi is a very common name for a cute small toy elephant. romanians have names for everything - for instance azorel is what a cartoon dog should be called ideally.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://xkcd.com/1508 << as if made for you
assbot: xkcd: Operating Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8uHng )
mircea_popescu: this was elevated to divinity, a sort of fsm, by the people making the robotzi cartoons
mircea_popescu: and i received their revelation in my heart and have converted to the cult of the most reverable trompi, the divine.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQAc6OAj9c << rain incantation.
assbot: Trompi da sa ploua - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8uU9S )
pete_dushenski: "Nobody can move into bitcoin, take it over, change the protocol or do whatever nefarious thing you can imagine, and force everybody to continue using it. Why not? Because altcoin." << um. might need to check those premises again, funkenstein_
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a kind of image of just this animal in my head. but not earthling elephant, but the creature from '5th elephant' who i think of as 'desk elephant', or, alternatively, 'lisp elephant'
mircea_popescu: could be, yeah
mircea_popescu: nobody saw trompi afaik
mircea_popescu: (the incantation literally is, "Trompi squeeze your balls and make it rain")
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it may be the filter, i dunno. kinda impossibru to debug from my side.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VTsFtwO0u0
assbot: Choking on a Cherry - The Fifth Element (5/8) Movie CLIP (1997) HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8v9lf )
asciilifeform: ^ what the elephant is for
mircea_popescu: "This video is not available.
mircea_popescu: Sorry about that."
asciilifeform: wat
asciilifeform: plays here
mircea_popescu: mebbe i need a repricocity phee.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu aite, if it's not in your filter, it's not there. i guess we'll just have to blog platforms to the list of 'internet pillars to rebuild'
mircea_popescu: or just learn how to run basic scripts ? :D
pete_dushenski: mark my words, one day i will!
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: it's not like the entire cookbook isn't actually given there eh ? ready for copy paste.
mircea_popescu: how are you going to play eulora at this rate ? beg jews to binarize it for you ?
Vexual: that'll be $35
asciilifeform: 'Ubiquiti “demonstrated reckless disregard for U.S. sanction” law, and allowed its wireless equipment to be exported into Iran through distributors located in the United Arab Emirates and Greece, according to a release from the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control. The firm had no compliance program at the time, according to the release. And even after Ubiquiti learned that the transactions broke U.S. law, the company all
asciilifeform: owed them to continue for another year, until February 2011, OFAC said. The company said, in a filing released Thursday, that until early 2010 it didn’t prohibit its distributors from selling its products to Iran. After it learned of the potential violations, the company said that it failed to immediately ‘amend all its distribution agreements and to implement more robust compliance controls.’'
asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l
asciilifeform: 'It said in its prospectus that certain of its products were sold to Iran, Cuba, Syria, the Sudan and North Korea and that some of its encryption components were sold without the appropriate export authorization… A review of Ubiquiti's sales to Iran by the Department of Commerce's Office of Export Enforcement earlier this year resulted in a warning letter, but no criminal or administrative prosecution or other penalties -- b
asciilifeform: ut Ubiquiti remains under review by the Department .... '
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i dun really game, so...
asciilifeform: of course, now we have a helpful recipe for determining whether it's a don't-give-a-fuck-shop or a usg honeypot - sue, and see if state secrets privilege is invoked...
pete_dushenski: but yes, this boy has much to learn.
asciilifeform: and, '...anyone with physical access to the end of the Ethernet cable to your Ubiquiti airOS-based device... ...can obtain the plain text configuration while leaving behind no trace that they dumped your configuration ...'
asciilifeform: ;;later tell decimation ^ iirc you were using a naked 'edgerouter' somewhere. the time to stop was - july. the second best time - now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: (what it was - they left tftp on. in precisely the way we won't in 'pogotron')
asciilifeform: ^ unless we're all killed & replaced with impersonators, l0l
mircea_popescu: what was nubbins` situation wit hthat btw
asciilifeform: in which case it will certainly ask for tftp every time on boot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he hammered in the command every time into the serial console
mircea_popescu: no i mean, he was cleaning boot iirc ?
asciilifeform: still saves time and wear on the nand vs flashing it in every time
asciilifeform: in a production machine, 'uboot' should skip straight to loading from nand
asciilifeform: 'do not pass go, do not collect 200'
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: so yesterday, i get http://trilema.com/2012/o-hai-i-was-justing-doing-a-penetration-test-of-your-site/#comment-113450 im all like wtf.
assbot: O hai. I was justing doing a penetration test of your site. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1aErKnM )
mircea_popescu: today ... "For some reason or another, I can't see all of this content, it keeps disappearing? Are you taking advantage of java?"
mircea_popescu: finally spam text that looked credible.
asciilifeform: i get idiocy like this all the time.
mircea_popescu: i dun think i saw this set b4.
asciilifeform: they used to follow a similar pattern, e.g., 'this post is a very astute commentary on the subject, i should like to read another like it, please carry on the good work' etc.
mircea_popescu: those i saw
mircea_popescu: i mean the specific "error are you x" thing.
mircea_popescu: spam masquerading error reports nao, the world simply can't exist w/o wots.
asciilifeform: i am quite certain of having seen something quite like this before. and i knew that ~x
asciilifeform: and so ignored.
asciilifeform: 'From my conversations with Ubiquiti, I have found that they claimed that it's alright to refuse to provide source code to GPL-licensed software if "This decision was taken with the security of the users in mind". Furthermore, my conversations were endlessly delayed by the supposed necessity to forward my query to another, unnamed, team.' << now we can probably say what.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: usg contractor supplying boobytrapped goodies to the untermenschen
mircea_popescu: "brb gotta ask nsa"
asciilifeform: ;;later tell decimation before you ceremonially burn that thing, or put openbsd on it, etc. consider posting the u-boot partition to #b-a warez (talk to kakobrekla?)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this strange idea that people would discuss things with script robots.
mircea_popescu: "if you conceivably have to forward my stuff to anyone, get off the line, i'm important."
asciilifeform: betcha the bots are happy to speak with one another.
asciilifeform: !s eliza parry
assbot: 4 results for 'eliza parry' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eliza+parry
asciilifeform: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/when-parry-met-eliza-a-ridiculous-chatbot-conversation-from-1972/372428 etc
assbot: When PARRY Met ELIZA: A Ridiculous Chatbot Conversation From 1972 — The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8yDEq )
mircea_popescu: certainly. most of gdp in the "service economy" is exactly akin to running a bunch of elizas at each other.
mircea_popescu: "they raised awareness"
asciilifeform: PARRY: You should pay more attention.
asciilifeform: ELIZA: Suppose you should pay more attention.
asciilifeform: PARRY: You're entitled to your own opinion.
asciilifeform: ELIZA: What makes you think I am entitled to my own opinion?
Vexual: http://www.torontosun.com/2015/04/06/botox-doctor-reportedly-devastated-by-martin-short-parody-found-dead
Vexual: best one wins
mircea_popescu: why not link http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc439 ?
assbot: RFC 439 - PARRY encounters the DOCTOR ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8z8yg )
mircea_popescu: theatlantic spamsite adds exactly nothing, hinders plenty.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato, had no idea it lived there
asciilifeform: though i hesitate to let ietf be a canonical copy of anything at this point - even this...
decimation: asciilifeform: heh, I'm not sure if I'm running 'airos' on my edgerouter
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc they all use the same uboot, which was the item in question
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. but it is the historical repository.
asciilifeform: yes.
decimation: asciilifeform: ah so does it only tftp on boot?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ubiquiti example dovetails nicely with the thread re: unemployed reversers. if persians happily buy turdware, they either haven't many, or haven't any competent ones, or they are all occupied with something else (what ?)
asciilifeform: decimation: it is a very common setting in a uboot used for dev work
mircea_popescu: they haven't any.
Vexual: you know, when i saw it first, i thought it was meant to be glenn stevens
asciilifeform: decimation: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8zHrV )
asciilifeform: ^ example
mircea_popescu: you think there exists anyone competent working in argentina, for instance ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not necessarily. but perhaps ar doesn't -need- any ?
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.theamphour.com/243-an-interview-with-macrofab-macro-manufacturing-mechanization/ < interview with macrofab guys, with details of exactly what they use (Universal GSM2 pick n place)
assbot: #243 – An interview with Macrofab – Macro Manufacturing Mechanization | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8zMMq )
asciilifeform: because the only industry is meat processing ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, right. do you know what the fat feminist said to the other fat feminist ?
mircea_popescu: "good thing we don't need men"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought the pattern was, 'don't need men, only their dough' ?
mircea_popescu: no, it's, "because if we did or if we didn't, we still don't get any"
Vexual: despite the botox, still very expressive
mircea_popescu: because, there's like eight of them, and none of them have time for our stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: such as you know, apostiles, or whatever. allah on a stick.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact remains, they could get reversers. it's just another kind of craftsman, like heart surgeon. they would simply have to pay the fee
asciilifeform: with extra pay for jungle conditions
mircea_popescu: no, they could not.
mircea_popescu: just like ohio can't get dramatic artists.
mircea_popescu: just like tewkwhatever, mass can't get security experts.
pete_dushenski: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31908620 << this, is a new one for me
assbot: BA flight forced to land early because of smelly poo - BBC Newsbeat ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8Aj0I )
pete_dushenski: "it's too smelly to fly"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it because most folks need fallback employment if a job falls through? sure - but if a craftsman is needed badly, he will go on tour to antarctica. so long as the costs are covered.
pete_dushenski: um, how about you suck it up and keep going
asciilifeform: and why does a reverse engineer need to travel anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only if im inviting him.
mircea_popescu: not if the fucking polar bears are.
mircea_popescu: why would he care what polar bears say ?
asciilifeform: if polar bears had a bag of money ?
mircea_popescu: so what if they did.
mircea_popescu: hunter'd get it.
decimation: ^ why? because you don't want to ship your strange
ben_vulpes: chapter two in assquest:
ben_vulpes: "navigate the buildroot menuconfig"
asciilifeform: decimation: this, among other reasons, is why i live in a particular not altogether-pleasant place..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, nobody's denying men will go to the end of the earths. they will. but only with fredericus.
decimation: asciilifeform: ugh, the ubquiti os has hardly any tools
asciilifeform: decimation: pull the usb drive
asciilifeform: decimation: it has the whole orchestra, minus a very small and possibly interesting micro-bootloader that loads uboot - iirc - on it
decimation: but then I would need a mips64 build host
decimation: I guess I can qemu
asciilifeform: or hm, uboot is in the nor flash...
asciilifeform gets out the serial cable, indignant
decimation: yeah, I'm not sure where to probe
asciilifeform: motherfuckers.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i am behind the times, but is there a buildroot config that's been passed around?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html and http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000076.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1aEveH3 )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ElPEkl )
ben_vulpes: ty, asciilifeform!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nubbins` was able to replicate result.
asciilifeform: and i think someone else ( danielpbarron ? )
asciilifeform: decimation: you want a 'cisco cable'
asciilifeform: decimation: it goes into the rj45 jack on the left.
decimation: yeah I think I have one somewhere
asciilifeform: decimation: 115200 baud, 8N1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4383 @ 0.00028522 = 1.2501 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16567 @ 0.00029012 = 4.8064 BTC [+]
decimation: ah it's just debian, can use apt-get
asciilifeform: wai why ?
decimation: to install warez
asciilifeform: no you don't
asciilifeform: just pull the usb
asciilifeform: back it up (or replace with another) and put new os on that.
asciilifeform: access uboot from the serial console, or, if replacing with another uboot, do so from the new os
decimation: interesting here's the partition layout
decimation: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
decimation: /dev/sda1 2048 292863 145408 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
asciilifeform: (how old one behaves with regards to replacing uboot, i cannot say)
decimation: /dev/sda2 292864 3710975 1709056 83 Linux
asciilifeform: sda1 contains the kernel
asciilifeform: sda2 is root fs
decimation: yeah
decimation: and it starts at 2048, so that's probably the bootloader?
asciilifeform: why they did this - cannot say. possibly the responsible man last used linux in 1997
asciilifeform: uboot on this box lives, apparently, in nor flash
asciilifeform: sorta like pogo
decimation: yeah, boot partition just has kernel
asciilifeform: thing has jtag pins, iirc
asciilifeform: so can be 'unbricked' if new uboot is botched
asciilifeform: without soldering
decimation: that's what I was wondering
asciilifeform: a standard jtag probe of whatever kind you're partial to (i like 'bus blaster') and a copy of openocd is all you need
asciilifeform: 'As evidence, consider that in version 5.5.4 of the AirMax firmware, the kernel was modified such that the MTD partitions would be read only, however this change cannot be found in the corresponding kernel patches or source.'
decimation: ^I have 'edgemax'
asciilifeform: ^ lulzies! they very much don't want you replacing that uboot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
asciilifeform: one doesn't need an expert usgologist to say what happened here.
mircea_popescu: no i saw that.
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asciilifeform: what exquisite idiocy
asciilifeform: i bet reflash fails silently if done from edgeos
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo you have one somewhere iirc ? try this
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have/had plans to acquire one
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: worth your while for the epic public rape of the morons
asciilifeform: to the extent they were not already raped in the 'liberty bsd' piece and in this here thread
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why the patches have to stay unpublished.
decimation: asciilifeform: they have weird stuff mounted for storing configs:
decimation: none on /opt/vyatta/config type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,nr_inodes=300000,mode=775)
asciilifeform: i think i can see why ubiquiti was picked for this particular role in the usg shitgnome muppet theatre
mircea_popescu: It was the first, and being first, was best, but now we lay it down to ever rest. Now pause with me a moment, shed some tears.
mircea_popescu: For auld lang syne, for love, for years and years of faithful service, duty done, I weep. Lay down thy packet, now, O friend, and sleep.
decimation: they seem kinda derpy software-wise
mircea_popescu: ^ i had no idea cerf was also a poet.
mircea_popescu: shit's pretty good.
asciilifeform: it sold routers that gave very reasonable performance for 1/20th the cost of cisco et al
asciilifeform: these became popular, presumably, with 'orcs' on a budget
asciilifeform: also note how there is none of this (or the other let's-sell-boobietrapped-goods-to-persians) 'shartups') in the snowden releases.
decimation: http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/ERLITE-3_U-Boot
assbot: ERLITE-3 U-Boot - Crashcourse Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8EMR5 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not a bad point.
asciilifeform: 'There are actually two copies of the bootloader in the NOR flash: the first one is failsafe, and doing bootloaderupdate will replace the second image. Basically after the CPU comes out of reset, it boots the failsafe bootloader image (the first one) in the NOR flash. The failsafe finds and boots the actual bootloader image (the second one) in the NOR flash. This bootloader then loads the kernel from the USB drive and boots it
asciilifeform: .'
asciilifeform: ahahahahahahaha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it -is- possible that he had some but none made it past the greenwalds
mircea_popescu: it is possible he never had any through no fault of his own.
asciilifeform: and the schneiers
asciilifeform: that - also possible
decimation: ^ascii, one wonders if you can replace the 'failsafe'
mircea_popescu: like if i behead you i might not get any pancreas tissue on the blade.
asciilifeform: aha exactly like
asciilifeform: would have to behead lengthwise
mircea_popescu: not necessarily proof that you weren't beheaded.
asciilifeform: correct.
asciilifeform: decimation: if it's in the nor, can be replaced, only question is how
decimation: asciilifeform: ah! /dev/mtdblock0
decimation: admin@ubnt:/dev$ cat /dev/mtdblock0 | hexdump -C | head
decimation: 00000000 10 00 01 3f 00 00 00 00 42 4f 4f 54 bf 6a 14 53 |...?....BOOT.j.S|
decimation: 00000010 00 c0 00 01 00 02 4e 22 00 06 70 20 67 0c 5e e5 |......N"..p g.^.|
decimation: 00000020 ff ff ff ff c0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 |................|
mircea_popescu: ha
decimation: 00000030 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
decimation: *
decimation: 00000200 10 00 02 08 24 1a 02 00 10 00 02 04 00 00 00 00 |....$...........|
decimation: 00000210 10 00 02 02 00 00 00 00 10 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
decimation: 00000220 10 00 01 fe 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 fc 00 00 00 00 |................|
decimation: 00000230 10 00 01 fa 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 f8 00 00 00 00 |................|
decimation: 00000240 10 00 01 f6 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 f4 00 00 00 00 |................|
mircea_popescu: he didn't paste the whole thing did he
decimation: heh no
decimation: asciilifeform: would you be interested in a dump of that?
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asciilifeform went & got some of the spiders out of his mircea_popescu's-conference-travel-trunk. now back
asciilifeform: decimation: yes.
decimation: there are apparently 3 'images'
decimation: mtd0,1,2
asciilifeform: drop it somewhere it won't be tampered with, & sign it (ok if you wanna gpg it to wot folks instead of publicly)
asciilifeform: though i can't fathom they'd have the gall to try censoring uboot as 'warez'
asciilifeform: it being gpl and all
decimation: it appears mtd0,1 are identical
asciilifeform: decimation: then this'd be it
decimation: I think you can download the 'open source' turds from ubquiti
asciilifeform: decimation: see earlier link re: this
decimation: mtd2 appears to be a configuation area, it starts with a hex string that equals my h/w serial number
asciilifeform: decimation: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090249
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 01:27:30; BingoBoingo: http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << Incredilol
mircea_popescu: decimation so they have TWO hidden ones ?
mircea_popescu: that do what, test for identity ?
asciilifeform: decimation: probably licensing turd for their proprietary kmod
asciilifeform: that and for boobytrap
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090538
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 03:14:49; asciilifeform: 'There are actually two copies of the bootloader in the NOR flash: the first one is failsafe, and doing bootloaderupdate will replace the second image. Basically after the CPU comes out of reset, it boots the failsafe bootloader image (the first one) in the NOR flash. The failsafe finds and boots the actual bootloader image (the second one) in the NOR flash. This bootloader then loads the kernel from
mircea_popescu: i thought for a moment they had three copies.
asciilifeform: won't someone buy one of these things and hook up to jtag bugger driven with gdb, and post instruction stream ?
asciilifeform: i have one, yes. but not the time.
asciilifeform: i still don't get this:
asciilifeform: could the idiots not be bothered to ship -separate- turds to ir ?
asciilifeform: why did it have to be so obvious.
asciilifeform: is it a plot to waste -our- time ?
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think that jtag will show something that these mtd turds don't
asciilifeform: decimation: i bet there is obfuscation. so dynamic analysis might be appropriate
asciilifeform: but ideally, both.
decimation: possibly. it would probably require considerably detailed examination to watch the thing boot
mircea_popescu: i really dunno why we'd give a shit.
asciilifeform: first, look to see if copy-1 does anything -other- and load & jump to copy-2.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because this could be just the necessary lethal stab to the 'nuclear iran' shillfest.
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: aren't you a little late ?
mircea_popescu: iran is a nuclear power now. obama said so himself.
decimation: ^ to be clear, I have edgerouter, not 'airmax'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: su was also nuclear power, didn't keep the buggers from shipping diddled tech there by the gigatonne
decimation: no he said that they would have to wait awhile and fill out usg forms
mircea_popescu: decimation from what i've seen, the deal with iran is exactly like the deal with cuba and every other deal conquered US has entered into :
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the racket in question here is where usg plays hand-muppets and runs faux 'we're l337, we sell to 1r4n' at the same time as 'proletariat united against ir nukes' on the other muppet hand
mircea_popescu: they agree to everything the op demands, and pay for the paper memorializing it.
decimation: yeah but usg ensures that they have a press op where they say the opposite
asciilifeform: nothing punctures shitgnomes like a public, non-plausiblydeniable still-smoking 'nsakey' unhinted at in any 'leak'
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: incidentally, usg doctrine is that 'fresh' nuke powers don't really 'count' - much as usa did not count in 1947 because, elementarily, not enough of the specific industrial base to secure a steady supply of nukes
asciilifeform: they believe that it can be 'undone' as SAR was
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asciilifeform: in other news: cryptome is hosting a malicious pdf... http://cryptome.org/2015/04/nsa-ptpof.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGez1p )
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
asciilifeform: i do not know the payload yet.
asciilifeform: but srsly wtf
asciilifeform: and why did it have to be so obvious.
mircea_popescu: in yet another shade of lulz : berkshire does not offer its many directors dso. because buffett believes you know, officers should face the music like any other shareholder. except it does offer it to buffett. because...
asciilifeform: dso?
mircea_popescu: insurance for being on a public corp board.
mircea_popescu: d&0 not dso.
asciilifeform: what does it insure against ?
mircea_popescu: any liability that may attach to one from his being a director or officer.
asciilifeform: iirc it is not permissible in usa to insure against criminal prosecution
asciilifeform: at least, not directly
asciilifeform ianal
mircea_popescu: this'd be for civil not for criminal matter.
asciilifeform: aha.
decimation: asciilifeform: http://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX/Lost-password/td-p/490573 > "Creating 3 MTD partitions on "phys_mapped_flash": 0x000000000000-0x000000080000 : "boot0" 0x000000080000-0x000000100000 : "boot1" 0x000000300000-0x000000310000 : "eeprom""
assbot: Lost password? - Ubiquiti Networks Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGgS4k )
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://proudtobeafilthyslut.tumblr.com/post/107315640663/dirtiestdepravedfilth-happy-new-year
assbot: Self-Proclaimed slut | dirtiestdepravedfilth: Happy new year! ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGh7fR )
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform how can you tell that cryptome pdf is laced ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: buggy
pete_dushenski: hmm
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in that it demands to be viewed on genuine winblows crapobat
asciilifeform: explicitlu.
pete_dushenski: that's pretty fucked
asciilifeform: decimation: eeprom !?!
Vexual: here, jewintro, rub the front and the back of your hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP_w1rQweE
asciilifeform: incidentally....
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu so i finally mod'd your fix_trackbacks.php, uploaded it, and... it doesn't even show up. now i'm supposed to call customer support or some shit
asciilifeform: http://hilo90mhz.com/ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite-erlite-3-internal-usb-storage-fail << phison !!!
assbot: Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite ERLite-3 – Internal USB Storage Failure | hilo90mhz ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGhG9q )
asciilifeform: don't throw it out!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lulwat.
asciilifeform: phisons are rare, precious
asciilifeform: (or soon to be.)
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it does appear to contain something specific to their hardware
decimation: in the airOs mtd2 is labeled 'kernel'
decimation: but as we already established, the kernel is in the usb key
Vexual: here i remember when that kid rode in on a tricycle
joecool: phison, now that's a name i haven't heard in awhile
asciilifeform: !s phison
assbot: 3 results for 'phison' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phison
asciilifeform: srsly?
joecool: my ancient eeepc 901 had phison ssd's in it, first ssd's i ever had
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu http://contravex.com/fix_trackbacks.php << my understanding is that this should yield errors if it doesn't work, but it's blank as a freshly painted wall.
asciilifeform: joecool: phison is a maker of cheap usb keychain drives that contain general-purpose micros. an ad hoc sdk was published recently. i had something quite like it, unpublished, in 2012; and hell knows how many other folks also did
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski didja set up your db pw etc in there ?
asciilifeform: you can convert the thing into a disk that perverts blocks in a particular way, or emulates a keyboard and types in obscenities, etc, etc.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i did indeed, though you're right that i should fiddle with those values because there's a reasonable chance i got them wrong!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu btw should "table_prefix" be set to "wp_comments" or similar ?
mircea_popescu: mmm
mircea_popescu: i think the structure's copied after wp-config or /we the file is called where wp keeps its password in plaintext.
mircea_popescu: so w/e you got there.
decimation: of interest in the 'macrofab' podcast: apparently they load the pick n' place with house parts only, and all the other 'unique' chips for each design are hand-placed
decimation: they do all the assembly in houston, but currently contract pcb out
decimation: but they are looking into in-house pcb for 24-hour turnaround assembly!
asciilifeform: decimation: their 'hand-placed' probably involves a mechanically-cranked apparatus. or someone with much better hands than i
decimation: I suspect they pay good rates for competent techs
decimation: they are 'angel funded' but I think he said they can turn a profit at current prices
asciilifeform: who, one might wonder, do they use? chinese gurlz flown in for the occasion ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu ok, i'll keep crackin'
asciilifeform: or simply the fact of the p&p machine being loaded by hand from clips instead of magazine ?
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect retired old women who worked in electronics assembly
asciilifeform: at any rate, this is not 'woodcollector' and i don't much give a hoot -how- the parts get on the board
asciilifeform: so long as they - do..
decimation: he said they use trays with mixed chips
asciilifeform: decimation: trays are typically for items above soic16 or so in size
asciilifeform: at all small houses
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu and thx for the tech support :)
decimation: they found all of their machines used at auction
asciilifeform: i have trouble believing they put 0805 resistors on by hand, ever
asciilifeform: because, elementarily, there is no reason to, if you have the machine.
decimation: no, he said those would go on p&p
decimation: they go down to 0402 on the p&p
asciilifeform: decimation: but if not 'house part' ?
decimation: well, if in large quantity, in p&p, otherwise by hand
asciilifeform: virtually none of my items were 'house'
decimation: I suspect mostly hand placed
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asciilifeform: if so - someone has excellent hands and ought to be earning a living horseshoeing fleas for a flea circus or the like.
decimation: heh there are such folks
decimation: apparently houston has 30 assembly houses
decimation: so there's probably a quantity of skilled labor
asciilifeform: surgeons once did (still do?) have the habit of tying knots in fishing line inside a matchbox, every day
asciilifeform: (very short piece of line)
asciilifeform: decimation: most 'assembly houses' do nothing remotely like placing any quantity whatsoever of 0402 by hand
asciilifeform: for any amount of money
decimation: asciilifeform: they probably use something like http://www.ddmnovastar.com/pick-and-place/manual-systems/mpp-21-pick-and-place-system
assbot: Manual Pick and Place Machine, Low Cost SMT System, Model MPP-21 DDM Novastar ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGlw2k )
asciilifeform almost bought this item once
asciilifeform: i'll let herr woodcollector decide if this counts as 'by hand'.
decimation: heh
decimation: well, with that I must retire, good evening
decimation: !down decimation
Vexual: poor fuck is prolly suicide oney on aussie dollar
Vexual says no rate cut
Vexual: its monyly oney
asciilifeform: wut
Vexual: well the rba is going to say in less than aminute whether or not they change the interest rate
Vexual: it will have an effect on foreign exchange markets
Vexual: and.. the market was wrong
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: <decimation> heh there are such folks << yeah, ever since surgery moved to computers.
Vexual: who gives a shit about the aussie dollar now anyway
mircea_popescu: most of them unemployed
Vexual: why can't i trade sundried tomatoe futures? its supposed to be the fooking future
Vexual: !s hotsauce
assbot: 3 results for 'hotsauce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hotsauce
Vexual: cute
Vexual: there an article in the afr about fast algos on treasury bonds, and its wanting
Vexual: let me find the name
Vexual: prolly "staff writer"
Vexual: nope i think someone stole the tech pages
Vexual: here it is,; shapiro
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEjw-OkMv3w
Vexual: and page 16 is trolli
Vexual: choke on your cherry kid, you dont get it
Vexual: tell the editor you want the article on one page, otherwise it editorial
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: !up liquidassets
Vexual: like how do these unnamed organisations do what theyre doing
Vexual: !up marteen
Vexual: indeed
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7d8BYJy8I
Vexual: yo ben10, i can notarize your nameing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298nld4Yfds
Vexual: might not float tho
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDJu7r6OUvk
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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090248 <<< this thing https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1386/37/1386372286519.gif☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 01:27:08; asciilifeform: doesn't ring a bell
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeKYem )
cazalla: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00028521 = 4.9912 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: loooks like allen ginsberg
cazalla: Vexual, it's from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ihcfJdAMs
assbot: Know your meme , Le happy merchant (the origin) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKHIqX )
cazalla: a /pol/ fav
Vexual: i emplore you to learn your memes
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67u2fmYz7S4
Vexual: this shitsgot ben10, where we know its useful
Vexual: obvo some punkman versio'
Vexual: her we might describe that best curly haircut
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5IdtqFf95g
Vexual: very lisp
cazalla: Vexual, i swear i better understood you when i was drinking more
Vexual: yes, im approaching rehabness
Vexual: i understood you wehn you were drinking moar tooz
Vexual: such is lief
cazalla: have not been able to do so the past few weeks
Vexual: this is good
Vexual: oh,myou know this one?
cazalla: which?
cazalla: your jukebox? can't play atm
cazalla: wouldn't want the missus to actually think i'm enjoying myself while she feeds bubs
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5IdtqFf95g boy or gal?
cazalla: much the same until puberty eh?
Vexual: es no importante
Vexual: kids need the mp4 script eh?
Vexual: ie not kids, but kids
cazalla: the fuck is an mp4 script
cazalla: you're too drunk.. or not drunk enough
Vexual: liek when yr 6 mo ya dont need jewtube
Vexual: whaaa?
Vexual: hear al lotta no fLASH, OR I PREFER THIS PARTICULAR SONG,,
Vexual: romainians say htgis song or that
Vexual: cunts preferent a bus
Vexual: or a plane. if they check da specs
Vexual: ben10 dissed me once, hoped i dont have kids
Vexual: only tiem my feeling ever got hurt, its ok tho, hes my cousin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00028991 = 5.8562 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ6FhS8jMHE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00029069 = 2.1802 BTC [+]
Adlai: BingoBoingo: sup
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Not too much, just playing ;;seen who
Adlai: ;;seen gabriel_laddel
gribble: gabriel_laddel was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <gabriel_laddel> <mircea_popescu> gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason. << the lady doth protest too much, methinks
Adlai still waiting on matasune dox
Adlai: er, masamune
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090780 << actually, that's how people compile code these days. jam and autom4te.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 07:44:42; cazalla: the fuck is an mp4 script
BingoBoingo: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0043896 / 0.00439045 / 0.00439218 (66 shares, 0.29 BTC), 7D: 0.00438911 / 0.00439255 / 0.00439781 (1056 shares, 4.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00204279 / 0.00417471 / 0.00451772 (3405 shares, 14.21 BTC)
kakobrekla: i guess it will be relevant for some;
kakobrekla: http://reventlov.com/advisories/using-the-docker-command-to-root-the-host
assbot: Using the docker command to root the host (totally not a security issue) // reventlov's silly hacks ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV0Dz )
kakobrekla: rehashed again https://reclaim-your-privacy.com/wiki/Anonabox_Analysis
assbot: Anonabox Analysis - Reclaim Your Privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV1rl )
kakobrekla: http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/04/8565469/students-fret-over-venmo-payments-alleged-drug-dealer
assbot: Students fret over Venmo payments to alleged drug dealer | Capital New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKUZQ8 )
kakobrekla: https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption
assbot: ninjadoge24's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV2vi )
mircea_popescu: o.O
kakobrekla: also lulzy https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-15-090-03
assbot: Hospira MedNet Vulnerabilities | ICS-CERT ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV3Q3 )
mircea_popescu: !up ug_
kakobrekla: > Shellshock was almost discovered a decade ago... http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/hh-8.html#ss8.8 but then it wasn't.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV5qR )
mircea_popescu: "A representative for Venmo would not respond specifically to the question whether they were helping police with their investigation into Getzler"
kakobrekla: lol check it out > anonabox bad news: can get a root shell via local ipv6 with hardcoded root password "admin"
mircea_popescu: aint that weird.
mircea_popescu: dude the way the world spins. the dons of the 50s didn't approve of drugs, at all. then in the late 60s it was like, "whatever, sell them to blacks, they don't have a soul anwyay". then in the 80s it was "whatever, sell them but don't let anyone know". by now it's like... "sell drugs and write opinions for the spectator and send the customer list spam emails to upvote you"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wait im still digesting your dump lol.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "criminal possession in the seventh degree", they are going to run out of degrees. best talk to imperial china for some more degrees.
mircea_popescu: and columbia's not even a party school.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes check it out yo, docker's no good >:D
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mircea_popescu: !up vorandrew
vorandrew: Put some options quotes
vorandrew: BTC/USD
mircea_popescu: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/hh-8.html#ss8.8 but << this is actually a pretty great read.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKYlmn )
mircea_popescu: "If the siteA string is empty, it is taken to be the local machine. A target like @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@victim would cause high load by recursive finger invocations, and could be used to contribute to a DOS attack. Michael H. Warfield reports that in a SUN NIS environment it is easy to kill a network using finger."
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mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: "So yeah, the Anonabox appears to be working but it is downright shocking that the WiFi connection is running unencrypted. Anybody within range of the Anonabox can connect to the network and sniff all network traffic."
mircea_popescu: it's fucking weird it uses wifi i nthe first place o.O
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you want your tor router quietly on a cable ?
mircea_popescu: that Lars Bøgild Thomsen dude... nice work on the anonybox piece of crud. however... he's embedding facebook, running a wiki and a phpbb forum he wants you to comment on, there's no way to leave a comment on his article (wp blog) without "being logged in" and in general what the shit already.
mircea_popescu: "BACKGROUND Hospira is a US-based company that maintains offices in several countries around the world." ... srsly ? us-cert.gov is a pr service now ? "please god anything, some text in here to dilute this shit o lord"
chetty: that must be logged in or use whatever social media thing is getting very annoying for sure
mircea_popescu: and for the record, github has given up on being on the web. http://dpaste.com/0ZQN8Q7
assbot: dpaste: 0ZQN8Q7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHbYnZ )
mircea_popescu: who the fuck thought this is a good idea ?
mircea_popescu: let's make glibc no longer compile statically and github not work. that'll make the foss so much better.
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/6fb23babc4e23a4f710c4112e52af62e/tumblr_nhkmfmRhb41tonrdjo1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yRsStz )
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.01000107 = 1.0001 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: in today's lol at people who are not lawyers but think they are : quora has a tos and a special-for-usg tos. the tos says it's the only agreement between user and quora. the special-for-usg tos says "language in the Quora ToS and Quora Privacy Policy indicating it alone is the entire agreement between the Parties is waived"
mircea_popescu: sadly... this isn't how this works.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the comparison between the two is kind-of funny, for the very bored student of decaying empires, and of the cruft their decay pushes into the margins.
punkman fondly remembers the "by entering this website you promise you aren't a USG agent"
mircea_popescu: that was a thing ?
mircea_popescu: "Quora hereby agrees not to serve or display any third party commercial advertisements or solicitations on the profile page of any user who uses the Quora Services on the Agency's behalf as identified by associating a .gov or .mil email address with the Quora account"
punkman: oh yeah, super common in the olden days
mircea_popescu: etc. lol.
mircea_popescu: punkman was this on script kiddie venues ?
punkman: various things like that, yes
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punkman: http://recode.net/2015/04/06/u-s-announces-first-antitrust-e-commerce-prosecution/
assbot: Man Prosecuted for Price Fixing on Amazon Marketplace | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1Chf4cc )
mircea_popescu: ahaha what
mircea_popescu: "saying a man has agreed to plead guilty to conspiring to illegally fix the prices of posters he sold online."
mircea_popescu: posters.
punkman: there's a ton of companies selling price fixing software, they call it "repricing"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile you can't get a competing quote on your fucking health insurance.
punkman: maybe the guy didn't pay enough taxes?
mircea_popescu: but hey, protecting "the american consumer" from price fixing in commodified markets by actors who are in no way in control of the production flux is worth the federal dime now.
funkenstein_: good morning
funkenstein_: takes me all day to (barely) catch up on logs here
funkenstein_: i hope i get quicker
funkenstein_: !up dub
mircea_popescu: you're not teh only one.
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/John_Brennan_CIA_official_portrait.jpg << why's this guy have such a thug mug, and wtf happened to his eyes ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3vpMs )
mats: https://github.com/emsec/ChameleonMini/
assbot: emsec/ChameleonMini · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1afLHAs )
funkenstein_: am i correct in summing up turd polishing discussions, that once DNS is fully removed static linking will be back on the table?
mats: contactless smartcard emulator.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ static linking of what ? as far as bitcoind specifically goes, iirc nubbins` reported he managed one.
funkenstein_: yes bitcoind. I'm glad to hear that, i was worried by some of the discussion revealing more issues in gcc / linux.
funkenstein_: "version" : 50301,
funkenstein_: "balance" : 0.00000000,
funkenstein_: "blocks" : 339415,
funkenstein_: lunchtime, back soon
mircea_popescu: lulziest shit of all time : "Drone strikes are associated with decreases in both the frequency and the lethality of militant attacks overall and in IED and suicide attacks specifically." ~RAND Corporation.
mircea_popescu: orly ? this is like romanian electoral polling data. strictly contradictory to plain evidence, but hey, "it's an institution!111"
mircea_popescu: yeah. an institution you made for the purpose of putting out false "studies".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile everyone in pakistan thinks the us the enemy, and their interior minister thinks ~2k out of ~2k strikes actually missed their mark and killed random people instead.
chetty: that publishing of 'studies' and 'polls' may be one of the greatest ills of our times
funkenstein_: A is associated with decreases in the frequency of A
funkenstein_: more is less
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funkenstein_: https://nacla.org/news/2015/04/06/where-argentine-debt-case-stands-now-and-why-it-still-matters
assbot: Where the Argentine Debt Case Stands Now, and Why it Still Matters | NACLA ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk7Fi0 )
nubbins`: hi
nubbins`: i did indeed report one
nubbins`: can post the turd if anyone's curious, but without instructions on how to replciate, it's just that -- a turd
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> posters. <<< oh fuck
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:what was nubbins` situation wit hthat btw <<< my current boot order is mmc->usb->tftp->nand
nubbins`: altho fwiw i suspect tftp-boot just hangs if there's no kernel present on the wire
nubbins`: ben_vulpes:perhaps i am behind the times, but is there a buildroot config that's been passed around? <<< it's a bit of a frankenstein... i run make pogoplug_defconfig and then i run make nconfig to set a handful of extra flags
nubbins`: haven't had the time to actually diff a .config before and after and turn it into a patch
nubbins`: but in nconfig, you'll need to enable at least: large file (>2gb) support, ipv6 support, rpc support, wchar support, c++ support, stack protection
nubbins`: some of those maybe can be ditched once bitcoind gets trimmed down... but these are all just toolchain options, so if you can bear the extra compile time, it's not like it'll make your kernel any fatter
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i took it you were working on teh instructions
nubbins`: duod they're right there ^ !
mircea_popescu: "but without instructions on how to replciate, it's just that -- a turd"
mircea_popescu: where ?
nubbins`: oh THOSE instructions, yeah
nubbins`: still can't replicate the build
nubbins`: :(
mircea_popescu: lol. k.
nubbins`: i know *what* to do -- rip out unused parts of boost with bcp -- but i keep cracking eggshells in the batter
mircea_popescu: on the "compile time" front, i'm happy to announce eulora got tested on ancient athlon i + 768 mb ram and ancient nvidia 5k series vid card. it compiles in like an hour, and runs.
mircea_popescu: 0.5 fps, but nevertheless...
nubbins`: i saved my entire bitcoind dir from the successful build, so i know precisely which boost headers and libs are needed
nubbins`: just can't figure out the BCP options to auto-strip the crud
nubbins`: may have to just to a manifest and then modify pinkposixw/e's script
nubbins`: mircea_popescu woo!
mircea_popescu: still testing to see what'll be minimum rec spec, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: doesn't look like it'll be an issue
nubbins`: exciting
nubbins`: when's the conference anyway
nubbins`: wait, isn't there a thing?
nubbins`: %conference
nubbins`: or something
mircea_popescu: 16-18
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nubbins`: o fun, i'll be in cleve-land thne
nubbins`: *then
mircea_popescu: cleveland ?!
nubbins`: yah
nubbins`: imagine
nubbins`: lil nubs in the medium city!
nubbins`: i'll be seeing this guy
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uFEOBJBiWg
assbot: Sufjan Stevens - Casimir Pulaski Day & Jacksonville @ ACL - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3SZbN )
nubbins`: and these guys
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpHoAnaPK0
assbot: Lightning Bolt " Dracula Mountain " - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3T2o6 )
nubbins`: and these!
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcRJ8XM9-n4
assbot: Metz "Wet Blanket" (live) -- Polaris Music Prize 2013 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3T4MK )
nubbins`: the juxtaposition isn't quite clear w/o viewing the videos, unfortunately
mircea_popescu: oh i c
mircea_popescu: hm, when a motherboard comes on when the supply comes on, no buttons or anything, and then won't atx powerdown
mircea_popescu: this isn't a good isng is it
nubbins`: almost certainly no
nubbins`: wow, one of woodcollector's shills turned on him, and now wc's socks are accusing the shill of being wc
nubbins`: this is some daytime-drama shit
mircea_popescu: yeah it's dead.
mircea_popescu: a well. was a great mobo
mats: http://oilpro.com/announcement/713/opec-faces-750bn-losses-market-share-strategy
assbot: OPEC Faces $750bn Losses From Market Share Strategy - Oilpro ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3VCKO )
nubbins`: well, there goes $20/barrel...
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: bs, marginal doggies barking.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do the dollar values even mean ? the dollar's worth in 2020 is drastically indeterminate
mircea_popescu: and that applies to pricing goods. oil above the dollar in the pricing hierarchy.
nubbins`: this is true
mats: http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/110320151
assbot: Baghdad not sincere about KRG budget ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3WAqu )
nubbins`: mats, drop bombs on x for a decade and a half and see how sincere the Xers are about anything
mats: "When the last KRG delegation visited Baghdad, it was told that the [Iraqi] government literally has run out of money."
mats: kek'd
nubbins`: LITCHRALLY
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: run out of money
nubbins`: as if this is a problem
mats: "A month before Maliki left office, there were $18 billion in the Development Fund for Iraq at the New York Federal Reserve Bank, plus the KRG’s share of 2014’s budget. When Abadi was sworn into office, there was only $1 billion left."
mircea_popescu: "Other governments, urged by the IEA and IMF, will reduce or eliminate subsidies to end users of petroleum products. Such modifications to end-user price regimes are most easily implemented when consumers perceive prices to be relatively low. Robert Mabro correctly anticipated such developments following the 1986 oil price collapse. OPEC members will end up with an even smaller percentage of the end-user value of their
mircea_popescu: principal export than they received prior to adopting the market share strategy – and this will be a permanent shift."
mircea_popescu: derp. opec must sell less oil because otherwise we will steal even more of their revenue via internal taxation.
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AvU2cfXRk
assbot: Clarke and Dawe - Quantitative Easing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1oMse )
mircea_popescu: logic.
mats: lol.
nubbins`: ^ worth a watch
mircea_popescu: mats what exactly do the americans expect local traitors to do other than steal as much as possible ?
mircea_popescu: that's the entire fucking point. why exactly else would maliki or anyone else EVEN TALK dumbass.gov ?
mircea_popescu: what, they like nuland or something ?
mats: who knows. i'm sure most of the staff guys over there are busy avoiding locals for fear of catching a bullet.
mircea_popescu: "bring a billion or two, we'll take you out tonight"
mats: ye good ol' "green on green"
nubbins`: ahahahaha these guys
nubbins`: srsly
nubbins`: "once you ascertain you have the alignment correct, you open the window, alert the banking sector, and press 'print'"
mircea_popescu: "John Gault is Co-Director, Executive Master in International Oil and Gas Leadership, The Graduate Institute, Geneva."
mircea_popescu: srsly.
mircea_popescu: co-director & executive master of the international word word leadership fictional entity, geneva.
nubbins`: who is john ga... oh, you just said
nubbins`: (MFW ayn rand died on social assistance)
mircea_popescu: after a fashion.
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mircea_popescu: all sorts of experts experting expertly.
mats: this 'Executive Master' construct is new to me
mats: imma add that to my list of titles.
mircea_popescu: i kinda imagine "the graduate institute" to be like... the film, the graduate. except in an institution.
mircea_popescu: mats i suppose ima import it in my harem. i can be the master, and the slavegirls could be executive masters.
mats: heh
mircea_popescu: socialist bdsm.
danielpbarron: height=316322 vs height=221389
funkenstein_: ohio has been mentioned a few time here recently so
funkenstein_: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYDiggEp-hw
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-duffy-silent-as-he-arrives-for-senate-expenses-trial-1.3022689
assbot: Mike Duffy silent as he arrives for Senate expenses trial - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1wuCK )
nubbins`: fuck mike duffy
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i don't get what the issue is. can you summarize ?
nubbins`: duffy was caught a while back charging a ton of frivolous expenses to his senate expense account
nubbins`: like a house he never lived in
nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Senate_expenses_scandal
assbot: Canadian Senate expenses scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1yr27 )
mircea_popescu: ah, so plain fraud. mkay.
nubbins`: unanswered is why the Canadian senate is stuffed with washed-up former journalists
nubbins`: and nobodies like Patrick Brazeau
nubbins`: who, after being suspended from the senate, got a job at a strip club and threw his girlfriend down a set of stairs
nubbins`: oh also
nubbins`: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/can.general/Ay0OqlUwdWk
assbot: Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1z6k0 )
nubbins`: It was all on live TV yesterday morning. Pierre Trudeau's grieving ex-wife had come to view the Centennial Flame shortly after a ceremony marking the departure of his coffin to a funeral train bound for Montreal. Margaret Trudeau was trying to compose herself and nodded quietly as people offered their condolences.
nubbins`: Suddenly, somebody pushed his way through.  Margaret turned and said "Oh, hi Mike," and smiled broadly.  "This was Misha's birthday," the man said, referring to the Trudeaus' youngest son Michel, who died two years ago.  Her face froze and she burst into tears.  She turned around and quickly walked away.  "It's Michel's birthday today," she said in a strained voice to those around her. "I didn't remember." Michel, the youngest of her
nubbins`: three sons with Trudeau, died nearly two years ago in an avalanche and his body was never found.
nubbins`: ladies and gentlemen... mister mike "dr. robotnik" duffy
nubbins`: somewhat more succinctly from the toronto star: "In 2000, four days after Pierre’s death, Margaret went out. She was confronted by a TV reporter, the punchably cruel Mike Duffy, now a senator, who barked at her, “How do you feel today, Mrs. Trudeau? Have you remembered it’s Michel’s birthday?” She collapsed."
nubbins`: "punchably cruel" is nice
mircea_popescu: who's trudeau ?
mike_c: danielpbarron: experiment is over, yes? given pace over the last few days the slow version is literally never going to finish.
nubbins`: former prime minister pierre trudeau, who famously enacted the war measures act in 1970 when couple politicians got kidnapped and murdered
nubbins`: "what of the bleeding hearts?", he was asked
nubbins`: "let them bleed"
mircea_popescu: so then what problem do you see ?
nubbins`: only that the senate is full of subhumans
nubbins`: appointed by our own lizard hitler, stephen harper
nubbins`: mircea_popescu incidentally, trudeau's son (because this is what politics in north america is now) is currently the leader of the national liberal party, w/ maybe a 50-50 shot at the big seat next election
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: srs.
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuSpZ3_5pTc
assbot: Justin Trudeau -- Patrick Brazeau Charity Boxing Match -- English Coverage of Complete Fight - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1Ck7f )
nubbins`: there's trudeau and the strip-club-managing, girlfriend-stair-down-throwing senator... /boxing each other/
mats: http://log.b-a.link/?date=07-04-2015#1090422 << similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such.
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 02:43:33; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ubiquiti example dovetails nicely with the thread re: unemployed reversers. if persians happily buy turdware, they either haven't many, or haven't any competent ones, or they are all occupied with something else (what ?)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 28.16939346 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 563 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: oh motherfucker.
mircea_popescu: fine. that's it. i'm gifting a friggin bitcoin and whatever, the gods have spoken.
mircea_popescu: !up deedbot-
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/08761FT
assbot: dpaste: 08761FT ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MEh6 )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/08761FT.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MIxu )
deedbot-: accepted: 2
mircea_popescu: yay. cool.
mats: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/07/us-tnt-express-m-a-fedex-idUSKBN0MY06G20150407
assbot: FedEx to buy TNT for $4.8 billion to take on rivals in Europe| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MRkm )
punkman: oh great
mircea_popescu: all things must be shittified.
punkman: TNT was reasonably fast last time I used them
lobbes: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:hm, when a motherboard comes on when the supply comes on, no buttons or anything, and then won't atx powerdown << what did you do to it
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ben_vulpes: ascii_field: 'what did you do to it' << walked down a dark alley all unsuspecting like
BingoBoingo: !up stunna
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 26491 @ 0.00004 = 1.0596 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/politics/power-outage-washington-dc << mega-l0l
assbot: D.C. hit by power outage - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0Jyoo )
lobbes: 'The power went out during the daily State Department briefing, with Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf using a phone light to continue taking questions from reporters.' << heh
punkman: do all power outages make the news over there?
ascii_field: no.
ascii_field: quite certainly not.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: dc really is the center of all american rot, isn't it?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: at least on paper
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: in practice, rot is a very 'peer2peer' affair
ben_vulpes: brownouts and power outages *do not happen* here.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: not only do they happen where i live, but with sufficient frequency that i'm stuck using very elaborate power conditioning gear
ascii_field: but i'm not in dc city gates proper
ascii_field: it is quite unusual there.
ben_vulpes: this is madness, man.
ascii_field: 'no, it is sparta!'
punkman just replaced old UPS
ascii_field: at present time, i have a massive double-converting ups
ascii_field: before that, a ferroresonator
ascii_field: before that, a dynasty of ordinary ups, which tripped so often that they frequently died
chetty: well with the greenies shutting down power plants all over its only gonna get worse
ascii_field: chetty: largely a cover for existing infrastructural decay.
ascii_field: the kind of thing that dying empire cannot really hide for long
ascii_field: it also shows where the -actual- usg priorities are
ascii_field: (-not- the elected muppets, for one thing)
ascii_field: mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves.
ascii_field: afaik that is where the bulk of the 'salable' vulns actually come from.
ascii_field: anyone interested in becoming this kind of 'agricultural' labourer - knows where to go.
chetty: I cant help but find it delicious it hits dc
ascii_field: chetty: wake me up when it hits something important
chetty: jajajajaja
ascii_field: (for n00bz: the subcontractors which do most of the practical 'usg-ing' are headquartered largely in north virginia, and have massive backup power and other every other conceivable luxury, large and small, on the grounds.)
chetty: well as I heard the power went out in 'useful' places, the white house,the state department ... :D
ascii_field: useful l0l
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: http://rt.com/uk/247529-bitcoin-exchange-opening-britain/ << "Bitcoin has had shaky beginnings with big Bitcoin exchanges like Mt Gov suffering huge thefts."
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ph3dVw )
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ben_vulpes: "wheels have had a shaky beginning - several have fallen over when their rotational inertia dropped below critical stability thresholds or ran into other unforseen obstacles."
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: wut
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091103
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 19:28:16; BingoBoingo: http://rt.com/uk/247529-bitcoin-exchange-opening-britain/ << "Bitcoin has had shaky beginnings with big Bitcoin exchanges like Mt Gov suffering huge thefts."
ascii_field: l0l
BingoBoingo: Oh, I was loling over "Mt Gov"
ben_vulpes: haw
ben_vulpes: looked like an x at this tiny fontsize
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well there's two solutions to your problem. Optometrics or Moar fontsize.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it's a bit more complex than that. fontsize is nearly irrelevant, as i parse visually first by the structure of the code and then by wordshape. mispellings are rare, due to backround jobs that compile/evaluate text buffers on save and linters that have rules about symbol definition.
ben_vulpes: my goal is primarily to cram as much text on the screen as possible before losing structure or wordshape
BingoBoingo: Option 3, More Screen
ben_vulpes: i've got 2 24" monitors.
ben_vulpes: 'tain't enough.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: desk not full - could have moar
ben_vulpes: indubitably.
ben_vulpes: but for now, this is adequate.
ascii_field: when full - can hang'em up
BingoBoingo: Consider 4 36"s I say from my adequate to purposes 11.6" screen.
ben_vulpes: hyu
mats: hue
trinque: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bHLR3faI7lU/hqdefault.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTcGb6 )
trinque: http://www.greenpeace.org/seasia/ph/Global/seasia/image/2005/9/stack_of_monitors.jpg << hah there you go ben_vulpes
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ben_vulpes: heh yeah something like that, trinque
ben_vulpes: there's a van with a setup akin to that first link in Snow Crash of which i was always enamore.d
ben_vulpes: enamored*
ben_vulpes: what I *really* want, though, is not even a desk but 2 six-axis arms that keep my keyboard and monitors in the appropriate ergonomic relationship.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field wasn't me
mircea_popescu: but from what i gather, it got the 6 pin cpu power in its 8 slot
ascii_field: l0l
ascii_field: magic smoke ?
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> ben_vulpes: not only do they happen where i live, but with sufficient frequency that i'm stuck using very elaborate power conditioning gear << you and fucking indians, i swear.
mircea_popescu: everybody warned me when i came here, "o may gawd power outages". i ended up overprovisioning power by such a wide berth it's ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: a village's worth of african children could have gone through prostitution school for that dough.
ascii_field: aha i recall, that diesel trailer
mircea_popescu: i saw ONE power outage in a year, which was most likely the building bus being old.
ascii_field: outages are not even as annoying as brownouts and, especially - spikes
mircea_popescu: i've seen neither of those. ever.
ascii_field: generator does nothing against these
mircea_popescu: spikes used to be reasonably frequent in the 80s in ro. but not major spikes, just, 5-10% sort of things. but then they upgraded the infrastructure and it no longer relies on its own inductance
mircea_popescu: so pretty much gone
ascii_field: spikes were a perennial plague in su
mircea_popescu: yeah well, probably because they're running on obsolete romanian transformers
ascii_field: to the point that it was a given that a tv set would have a 'stabilizator' underneath, buzzing steadily
mircea_popescu: like fucking india
ascii_field: (ferroresonator)
ascii_field: iirc india runs on old su gear wholesale.
mircea_popescu: yeah, because why make the 100kv transformers weigh 180 tons. make them 24 and then fuck up the entire power supply.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: the type of habitation traditional in american suburbs makes civilized power distribution astronomically expensive
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: o wow, fucking sprawl. you probably can't just get a huge 100kv - 2kv stepper and feed a whole neighbourhood, must have like 100kv - 12kv - 1,x kv multistep hu
mircea_popescu: h
ascii_field: 120v (america) also entails 2x the current for given wattage, on the low transformer end
ascii_field: >> more copper
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: allthewrongchoices.jpg
ascii_field: similar to situation with net pipes
ascii_field: early to the game - does not translate to 'better', when the result is massive antiquated crud everywhere, that no one contemplates replacing because $maxint
mircea_popescu: the 120 volt choice was a bad idea.
ascii_field: it is a marvel that they didn't stick with edison's direct current grid
ascii_field: think of the 'l337 job creation'
ascii_field: a substation on -every- street...
ascii_field: it was a bad idea -inherited directly from edison dc grid-
mircea_popescu: myeah
ascii_field: (for light bulb - and resistive heaters, similar - compatibility.)
ascii_field: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/off-goes-the-power-current-started-by-thomas-edison/?_r=0 << edison dc grid turned off in '07 !
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mircea_popescu: you know... the more i think of this the more it appears a major strategic problem for the us. larger than fucking isis, larger than the chinese fmi, larger even than their inability to maintain railroad infrastructure.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: think of their peculiar system of weights and measures
ascii_field: used... where else, today? zimbabwe ?
mircea_popescu: think : in the coming economy, the ability to easily get good clean power in the 10 to 100kw range of european towns is going to weigh very heavily
mircea_popescu: because production in future is going to look more like your garage than ford factory.
mircea_popescu: so the fact that giancarlo milanese can ask for a 380v line today and have it working in may whereas joe washington can't even get it... well...
mircea_popescu: if you got stuff to do you move.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: one thought that i can't possibly be the first to think is that miners have a tremendous incentive to get off their government mains grids.
ascii_field: (gives away their position, among other problems)
mircea_popescu: not where that rose is getting cut.
ascii_field: ?
mircea_popescu: cheaper for miners to cut the head of the governments in question than to create alt-powergrid.
mircea_popescu: you're thinking of govt as this fixed item. it is the least fixed item of all.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: power grids as we know them are an inherently totalitarian institution
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with authority.
ascii_field: literally centralized power, by design
mircea_popescu: there's somethin wrong with authority in the hands of the stupid,
mircea_popescu: but that never lasts.
ascii_field: egypt went on for a good long while, iirc.
mircea_popescu: stupid is a relative term.
funkenstein_: maybe people will finally turn off the lights
mircea_popescu: why would people ever do that ?
mircea_popescu: i'd run the lights if the lights ran on your liquefied babies.
mircea_popescu: some things are important.
funkenstein_: not street lights
mircea_popescu: oh, those.
mircea_popescu: you should see the us lmao.
funkenstein_: europe from space at night is quite a sight
mircea_popescu: they got it in their head that "parking lots are dangerous" because "women get raped" because hey, it's a literary conventions, and nobody can accuse us writers of not being lazy.
mircea_popescu: nevermind that the rapes that do happen happen in parking garages not lots.
mircea_popescu: so... now you have to have a pole every 10 meters, and can't even turn because LIGHT OMG
mircea_popescu: parking lots are scary.
mircea_popescu: nuts.
funkenstein_: could be a good use for all that ammunition
mircea_popescu: shooting a streetlight is not trivial. try sometime.
ascii_field: street lamps where i live often suffer from a peculiar glitch where they switch -off- if someone walks near
ascii_field: (light from adjacent poles falls on you, reflected back to photocell on the light in question)
mircea_popescu: dude there was a light like that on the road out of timisoara, he was the lol of all time. we'd like visit to make fun.
ascii_field: especially fun to watch folks suggest nonsensical explanations for the effect
funkenstein_: think of their peculiar system of weights and measures <-- nasa made official call to move to metric system once
funkenstein_: the order moved down the command chain, arrived in machine shop
funkenstein_: request for new tools went back up the command chain.. end of that attempt
ascii_field: $maxint.
ascii_field: literally.
ascii_field: the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war
ascii_field: so no one ever really took it seriously
funkenstein_: lol
mircea_popescu: yeah, these aren't things people can actually do.
funkenstein_: it is conceivalbe to slowly phase in on replacements?
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: it's one of those "all at once" things.
funkenstein_: slug-feet is is then
mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a joke : when they entered the eu, the romanians starting bidding on all sorts of contracts. like for instance, a 1947 british rfq to move the country to european style driving.
mircea_popescu: the police dept of bumfuck offered to write a plan and outline strategy and everything.
mircea_popescu: the brits were pretty scared.
mircea_popescu: then the outline showed up. "the change will be introduced in phases. for the first five years, only trucks and vehicles over 5 tons will switch to driving on right"
ascii_field: !b 4
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mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war << actually, not anymore. the us has already lost so much physical plant since the 50s it might have been through half a dozen world wars.
funkenstein_: lol
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ... and i -still- have to keep two sets of drill bits
ascii_field: and wrenches
ascii_field: and ... etc
ascii_field: that was the only real effect of the u.s. botched metric push
mircea_popescu: and i gotta keep two sets of womenz. what's your point.
mircea_popescu: not everything fits the same way.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091093 << this much is true. but hey, beats webcams.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 19:00:57; ascii_field: mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves.
ascii_field: webcams ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field there's exactly three things a woman can do with herself that doesn't work as the housemaid of a dude.
mircea_popescu: one is working the pick-n-placers. the other's working the masturbatrons. the third's you know, "using her head", as in, this fuzzer, that fuzzer...
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there are quite likely more women in the deep-water oceanic oil prospecting industry than in vuln digging
mircea_popescu: the sortage is generally, "whether she thinks she's pretty", "whether she thinks she's smart"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field mno.
mircea_popescu: every farm i ever saw was eastern european / azn women. like, 9:1 women or more.
ascii_field: not same as spam farms
ascii_field: assuming that is what mircea_popescu was thinking of
mircea_popescu: at the level we're discussing here, there's really no difference between working as " gawker vp of pr" or working as "candi19874 on myfreewebcams". srsly.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: but between looking for 0days and these two items - yes, difference
mircea_popescu: yes. because this is for "girl think she's pretty" and those for "girl thinks she's smart".
mircea_popescu: but difference between spam farm and 0day farm, and "code farm" generally .. also nil.
ascii_field: i have yet to meet, or even hear of, any females in that business other than the two or three world-famous ones
mircea_popescu: these are the three female professions. the differences within them are minute.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field why would you ever meet them ?!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: let's phrase it this way - my circle 3 degrees out includes perhaps a thousand such slaves, and i was told in no uncertain terms that there were no females.
mircea_popescu: weird.
ascii_field: this is not 'god's word' but hearsay, yes.
mircea_popescu: maybe strange cultural difference at work ?!
ascii_field: possible
mircea_popescu: the argument i always hear is, "dudes have no focus and can't be trusted to pay the fuck attention"
ascii_field: the pick-n-place argument, yes
mircea_popescu: eh, pick and place is like waitressing. so you missed a spot. big deal.
ascii_field: same with fuzzing
ascii_field: the next slave will notice what you missed, is the notion
mircea_popescu: yeah but you need to know / learn a shitload more to do this than to wipe the table / put the pin in the hole.
mircea_popescu: and to learn you must read. and dudes don't read.
ascii_field: for what it's worth, my hypothesis for the maleness of the profession is that it is the very epitome of greenspun's tournamentmarket
mircea_popescu: no it's not !?
ascii_field: virtually the whole motivation comes from 'what if -i- catch the big one'
mircea_popescu: they make a salary.
ascii_field: many ways to make salary
mircea_popescu: uh. they wouldn't even know if they did.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu -might- be thinking of a different profession than i was
mircea_popescu: am i ?
mircea_popescu: how would 0day slave distinguish between what he's told he's doing (unit testing) and what he's actually doing ?
ascii_field: if it's one that includes gurlz to any detectable extent, then almost certainly
ascii_field: aha mircea_popescu was thinking of testers/qa.
mircea_popescu: it's how you look for 0 days!
ascii_field: nope
ascii_field: any more than pigs make ham
mircea_popescu: you hire a huge team of those and cut the job up to them
ascii_field: it is butchers who make ham
mircea_popescu: oh, then yes we were thinking of very different things.
ascii_field: the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc
mircea_popescu: but i say the pigs make ham. as that one butcher observed, "i only follow the lines already there"
ascii_field: the folks i was speaking of - determine whether said crash was exploitable
ascii_field: normally they forgo the meat robots and use scripts
ascii_field: this practice is traditionally called 'fuzzing'
mircea_popescu: no, fuzzing is when you forego scripts and use humans.
mircea_popescu: because humans to some degree heuristic.
mircea_popescu: the thing where you use scripts is bruteforce i guess. ripper-it
ascii_field suspects a 'national' variation in terminology
mircea_popescu: mebbe so. anyway.
ascii_field: over here, 'fuzzing' is done with machines.
mircea_popescu: testament to over there illiteracy.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing fuzzy about a numeric machine.
ascii_field: we spoke, for instance, of fuzzing gpg format.
mircea_popescu: !s fuzzing gpg
assbot: 0 results for 'fuzzing gpg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fuzzing+gpg
mircea_popescu: no we didn't :D
ascii_field: 'high-tech' fuzzers actually spot differences in branch outcomes at every conditional jump as consequence of nth bit in input having changed
mircea_popescu: what if no code ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091117 << this is a bad idea and it will make you as blind as an old jew.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 20:07:39; ben_vulpes: my goal is primarily to cram as much text on the screen as possible before losing structure or wordshape
mircea_popescu: listen to me, never read text not > 1 cm tall.
ascii_field: whaddayamean no code
ascii_field: was speaking of raw cpu instructions.
mircea_popescu: ah ah
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm not aware it's a solved problem.
ascii_field: not 'solved' as such
ascii_field: but there are productive approaches that don't reduce to pure brute strength
ascii_field: but only -mostly-
mats: instrumenting tool e.g. afl plus qemu
ascii_field: aha
mircea_popescu: and Brittany Leanne Parten, 23 were arrested << o.O
mircea_popescu: "Court records say the laughing men initially tried to use a broomstick for the deed, which was videotaped on a cell phone. But then one of them said, “I have something better” and retrieved a chorizo sausage from the station’s refrigerator, the records say."
jurov: waitwhat? my dad worked in QA of "tesla elektroakustika" and pick and place was considered woman's job
ascii_field: jurov: it -is-
jurov: "i was told in no uncertain terms that there were no females" was about which occupation then?
mats: https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/868-How-Heartbleed-couldve-been-found.html << uses afl!
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jurov: spam farms?
ascii_field: jurov: spam farms is what mircea_popescu might have thought i was speaking of
mircea_popescu: i srsly think your distinction is entirely arbitrary.
mircea_popescu: the "spam farms" and the monkey-on-a-stick farms where microsoft code is actuallywritten, and this stuff... really, what's the difference ?
mircea_popescu: people coming out of any of them come out with the same sorts of "ideas"
mircea_popescu: (for a real world example, the derp with the btctc exchange is certainly a victim)
mircea_popescu: i suppose this may be the issue, i classify culturally, ie, by the beast's mental excrement. ascii_field you prolly classify by some sort of "what the job is". as if jobs actually are about something.
ascii_field: the difference is, as al schwartz phrased it, 'does your assembly line require phds? if yes, your firm is doomed'
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: "Heartbleed is a read buffer overflow. What that means is that an application is reading outside the boundaries of a buffer. For example, imagine an application has a space in memory that's 10 bytes long. If the software tries to read 20 bytes from that buffer, you have a read buffer overflow."
ascii_field: and yes, to me - jobs are about something.
mircea_popescu: for the record, this seems to me disqualifyingly dumb.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not these jobs. these jobs are about the narrative in the "worker's" head.
ascii_field: that's not called industry, that is called 'psych ward'
ascii_field: 'i am a carpenter.' 'show me some wood.' - patient pulls out wad of own shit
mircea_popescu: !s engineering psychiatry
assbot: 0 results for 'engineering psychiatry' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=engineering+psychiatry
mircea_popescu: orly ?!
ascii_field: !s engineer psychiatrist
assbot: 0 results for 'engineer psychiatrist' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=engineer+psychiatrist
ascii_field: b0rk3d
mircea_popescu: srsly.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: the tool which mats linked to requires having source, yes
ascii_field: it is only moderately difficult to build a variant which does not.
ascii_field: (exercise for alert reader!)
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> listen to me, never read text not > 1 cm tall. << why aren't you talking about arc-seconds?!
mircea_popescu: moreover, that's not what a buffer overflow is.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes because arc seconds don't actually matter in this discussion.
ben_vulpes: 1cm doesn't make sense in that 1 cm is huge if close and tiny if far away
mircea_popescu: but as long as it's 1cm you'll seat yourself at a convenient distance.
pete_dushenski: that depends on desk, keyboard configuration too
mircea_popescu: if you're looking at much finer detail you push it in too close and do all sorts of damage.
pete_dushenski: scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/07/foreign-aid-assuaging-your-guilt-and-ruining-lives-since-forever/
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ben_vulpes: that's an interesting normalization, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: the body is complex, the brain the most complex part, and the circuitry that drives vision the most complex of that. let it work rather than try to be smarter than it on fewer neurons.
pete_dushenski: a family physician i know also recommended looking at least 20 ft away from the screen every 20 mins to allow eyes to relax
mircea_popescu: the specifics vary, but the red thread always is, "the thing works fine, the less you fuck with it the longer you'll enjoy it."
ben_vulpes: yes but whence the 1cm number -- whence!?
ascii_field: i can also tell that the work of mircea_popescu is not ever i/o bound.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field like how ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that is a mystery.
ascii_field: in that try reading disassemblies with 1cm tall characters.
ascii_field: and see how far you get
mircea_popescu: hey, i am not proposing every blind figurine carver can be a king.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes sorta like why is the golden ratio so golden ?
trinque: bind size up/down sensibly, good to go
mircea_popescu: im just proposing that people don't cook like they're carving figurines.
pete_dushenski: mm so think nachinka, not netsuki
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: foreign aid article << it's a surplus-burner
pete_dushenski: but where do you see surplusses?
mircea_popescu: now that's a q eh. what surpluses.
ascii_field: 'The war, therefore if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that the hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely
ascii_field: internal affair....' (orwell's 1984)
ascii_field: of free time, for instance
mircea_popescu: except the us is not particularly hierarchical, and it has no surplus of anything.
mircea_popescu: if it were doing that it'd bring back the draft.
mircea_popescu: but the "aid army" w/e it was called never took off.
pete_dushenski: "peacekeepers"
mircea_popescu: best thing that could happen to the us is force every citizen under 18 to live a year in africa.
mircea_popescu: but not "allow". force.
mircea_popescu: and shoot escapees.
pete_dushenski: lol!
ascii_field: modern usa's 'aid' is about the dough coming back to the right coffers, washed, yes
mircea_popescu: then import as many african kids to live within the now empty nests
ascii_field: something rather different than mr o's concept
mircea_popescu: and after the year let the family pick which one they wish to keep.
pete_dushenski: china seems to be sending a few, though not all, young men and women to africa, likely to beneficial effect
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: they live on reservations with no locals permitted, iirc
pete_dushenski: for the chinese mainly
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski terribru for them. chinese women that go black definitely won't go back.
ascii_field: like martian colonies
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: do the ones who 'go' horse - ever 'go back' ?
ascii_field: and of which is there more.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field every country's aid is intended to come back to 'right coffers'
pete_dushenski: tis my argument at least
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the whores that go hoarse don't go back, no.
mircea_popescu: shoulda put hearse in there too i guess.
ascii_field: horse, mule, ...
ascii_field: elephant ?
mircea_popescu: i imagine sea mammals.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu terribru for the chinese? does chinese woman really desire random african suitor?
mircea_popescu: the sea has a +penis effect.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i have nfi.
ascii_field: 'go dolphin, never go back' ?
mircea_popescu: jus' messin' around a little.
pete_dushenski: lolk
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you ever been in one of those cars with memory seats ?
ascii_field: aha got one
ascii_field: pretty useless
mircea_popescu: well, kinda how vagina works. whenever excited, it kinda goes back to wherever it had fun last.
pete_dushenski: there's no shortage of african gents here, ones crafty enough to game their way over the border, none of whom seem to be knocking up any girlfriends of mine
pete_dushenski: that makes the vagina like an old man with a mid- or late-life crisis
mircea_popescu: lol
pete_dushenski: buying muscle cars because that's where the fun was!
ascii_field: muscle computers.
mircea_popescu: i doubt they actually did it in muscle cars.
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pete_dushenski: well, the ones who didn't are now buying the cars to reimagine themselves as the ones who did!
ascii_field: what will a muscle computer be ..?
mircea_popescu: 1000 chickens!
pete_dushenski: given that the sportier metal goes for $100k+, it's the former qb of the football team buying it
pete_dushenski: 1000 chickens is more like a muscle grocery store
mats: ascii_field: there's a decent amount of work done with afl to enable black box testing
mats: e.g. https://github.com/mothran/aflpin
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mats: (i spent some time this month experimenting with afl -- good stuff)
pete_dushenski: ^*it's NOT the former qb...
pete_dushenski: mebbe the 12-core mac pro, booted with danielpbarron's openbsd hack, will be our "muscle computer" in 30 years
pete_dushenski: i can't think of anyone else selling desktop hardware for $10k
pete_dushenski: even if intel turd
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pete_dushenski: huh
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pete_dushenski: um ya. those are straight up servers.
BingoBoingo: Or for half the price http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-DS15-Alpha-Server-2-4-1000MHZ-w-4GB-RAM-IN-A-GOOD-CONDITION-/121333466602?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4009c5ea
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, these are potential hot rods
pete_dushenski: they're pretty fuckin badass is what they are
pete_dushenski: imagine those in your study, with custom ducting to the outside, just awhirin' away
pete_dushenski: "whatcha doing, honey, plotting launch trajectories?" "just chatting with the boys"
pete_dushenski: "At various points in the budgets, [Rand] Paul questions the constitutionality of progressive income taxes, eliminates almost all federal education and housing programs, ends the biggest anti-poverty tax credits, eliminates foreign aid, institutes large defense cuts, slashes the State Department budget by more than two-thirds, and cuts the Food and Drug Administration budget to limit government "intrusion into
pete_dushenski: the nation’s food supply." "
pete_dushenski: ^speaking of foreign aid
pete_dushenski: sounds like paul has himself a functioning head, relatively speaking of course
pete_dushenski: too bad he looks so dweeby
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/vessenes-foundation-attemps-janssens-rebuttal/
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funkenstein_: rand is using bitpay for donations
punkman: "continue helping on a volunteer basis to help the Foundation during this financially austere time." << austerity strikes again
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo top kek ty.
punkman: https://theageofausterity.wordpress.com/
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a muscle computer is an amd fx + 64 gb of memory + swap on a ssd 1+0 raid array.
mircea_popescu: coupla grand or w/e.
trinque: pete_dushenski: it will be interesting to watch what happens there, if anything
trinque: I supported his father in 2008, felt pretty "mehhhhh" about doing the same by 2012
trinque: had his father been elected, the whole rest of the govt would've obstructed any substantial changes he'd want to make, so I don't know what good would've come of it
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trinque: I suppose he could send the executive branch on extended vacation
pete_dushenski: fair enough, there's huge bureaucratic momentum, but i'll definitely have some popcorn at the ready for the 2016 run
trinque: I'd love to see Rand Paul get in
trinque: but more yes, to do with popcorn than anything else
mircea_popescu: guy's already a senator neh ?
BingoBoingo: Rand Paul walks awfully close to the traditional "neo-conservative' line
mircea_popescu: trinque president can actually fire the entire government. and, logically, any serious president would have to.
trinque: there's a vast bureaucracy he could shut down in a day, yes
BingoBoingo: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150407/PC16/150409468
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trinque: it'd probably result in a power struggle with the congress trying to mandate certain shitty programs remain operational
mircea_popescu: the thing is, the congress can not tell the president what to do.
mircea_popescu: merely what not to do
mircea_popescu: and principally through not giving him money.
mircea_popescu: as powerless as congress proved itself to be trying to reign in a profilgate obama,
mircea_popescu: congress is actually entirely powerless to stop someone who does not wish to spend.
mircea_popescu: there's literally nothing anyone can do to force the president to spend money, a bias that actually comes from the olden days that's never been challenged, ever.
mircea_popescu: i suppose they could impeach him, of course, but that'll be the lulz of all time. "he was impeached for not spending!!1"
BingoBoingo: Emergency Powers Act
mircea_popescu: like "honey, i noticed our credit cards aren't even maxed anymore. i thought you promised to go shopping with the girls ? you know what... fuck this, i want a divorce"
trinque: heh could he declare an emergency due to infiltration by communists?
trinque: arrest congress
BingoBoingo: Arrest Congress during recess, then don't spend... win
mircea_popescu: trinque in similar circumstances yeltsin ordered the duma bombarded.
mircea_popescu: he won.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5GVL3xN4KI
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trinque claps
trinque: I've met his dad several times, and he's the only politician I've enjoyed speaking to
trinque: either Paul would not conceivably stand in the way of bitcoin, among other sane perspectives
pete_dushenski: by the time 2016 rolls around, there will be no one nuts enough to 'stand in the way'
pete_dushenski: they'll be pointing the hoover dam at a mining farm
pete_dushenski: ok, mebbe that's 2036...
trinque: we shall see
trinque: by then the hoover dam might be gone, or the colorado river might be dry
pete_dushenski: "In a prototype, aluminum was used to make the negatively-charged anode while graphite provided material for the positively charged cathode. A prototype aluminum battery recharged in one minute, the scientists said."
pete_dushenski: trinque anything's possible
funkenstein_: colorado river is already dry when it reaches the grande
pete_dushenski: https://www.informatica.com << apparently worth $5.3 bn to canada pension plan and permira
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trinque: ipad.. check
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> trinque president can actually fire the entire government. and, logically, any serious president would have to << and get jfk'd.
trinque: ^
asciilifeform: and he only tried to close one ministry.
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIzfXOfpFcA
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asciilifeform: <pete_dushenski> ... A prototype aluminum battery recharged in one minute, the scientists said." << what charges in 1min, can discharge in 1m.
asciilifeform: there is no counter-argument possible.
asciilifeform: in fact, typically what charges in 1m can discharge in 1ms.
pete_dushenski: haha suppose so
asciilifeform: pink meat mist.
trinque: in the vid Jessie Ventura recounts being summoned to the CIA to be questioned after election to the minnesota governorship
asciilifeform: a modern 'jfk' might not be shot, but petraeused or childpronned instead
asciilifeform: depending on the acuteness of the need.
trinque: they know not to let another JFK in to begin with
asciilifeform: and before mircea_popescu observes that 'no one has the balls' - if the 'balls-enabled' jfk appeared, a 'counter-jfk' would materialize out of thin aether
trinque: Ventura mentions the CIA questioning was about "how did you get elected?"
asciilifeform: trinque: ergo we know who -actually- rules usa.
trinque: of course
trinque: the actual government of the USA is a national security secret...
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Why did you start me on the ebay wanderings http://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Chevrolet-C70-Fire-Truck-beautiful-truck-/191549706046?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c99408f3e&item=191549706046
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ben_vulpes: apropos of nothing: https://kmikeym.com/questions/85
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what is this horror
trinque: "I'll leave this up to your discretion... if you ever put a tail on me again without telling me, you're gonna fine your tail floating in the river. Now you take that back to whoever needs to know it."
trinque: god damn Jessie Ventura is a bad motherfucker.
trinque: *find
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo yw
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Seriously http://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Ford-Tanker-F-800-/191551890188?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c9961e30c&item=191551890188
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pete_dushenski: you're really an emergency vehicle kinda guy eh ?
pete_dushenski: lemme guess, childhood wall poster of ghostbusters wagon ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe, but now I'm just thinking of the pranks they enable
BingoBoingo: Also with all of that storage would make a great RV
BingoBoingo: Fill the thing up with tents, condoms, and lube and you could have a mobile orgy center
pete_dushenski: and hoses for cleaning off after, i could sorta see it if you were into rv'ing
mats: lol.
pete_dushenski: though i'll take a plane and high-end hotel room any day, and i'll still come out ahead on costs compared to 'high-end rv'
BingoBoingo: And seriously what isn't to like about a giant toolbox that just happens to have wheels and a motor
pete_dushenski: hard to compete with the price of those old beaters tho
pete_dushenski: um, other than needing the physical space to store it ?
pete_dushenski: if you have a farm, then w/e, but avowed urbanites need not apply
BingoBoingo: What is this storage business. This is the thing you store other things in.