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assbot: Logged on 07-07-2015 21:11:38; ascii_field: my patience for 'help the mouse find the cheese' ran out when i was four
solrodar: but if that's the actual structure of the code then what else can you do?
solrodar: yeah some things are oddly positioned
trinque: it's gonna take manual arrangement
trinque: and/or some really nice force directed graph thing
trinque: of which I've found nothing but shit
solrodar: I don't think any amount of manual arrangement would shrink the overall size that much
solrodar: there are so many edges that you need to leave space between the nodes to keep them from overlapping too much
solrodar: I don't see how changing that would give you more space
solrodar: I mean it's the positioning of the boxes which is the problem
BingoBoingo: The problem is the thing being modeled, hence the bounty
solrodar: you can get dot to lay the graph out from top to bottom rather than left to right, but it won't be any better
solrodar: yeah, I don't know why it doesn't always do that
solrodar: it's clearly doing it in some places
solrodar: so if I provide the graph in s-expression format with instructions, do you have any specific plan for visualizing it?
solrodar: or you just want the data to experiment?
solrodar: at this stage the only extra effort is to output it in sexpr format rather than dot format
solrodar: I'm already pulling the graph into a script to do some filtering
BingoBoingo wonders how his 0.7.2 qt build ever worked on OpenBSD
solrodar: because if you include all the low-level functions and bignum classes and so forth in the graph then it'll be 10 times worse
solrodar: started with the standard library
solrodar: then cut out nodes with very high in-degree which appeared to be low-level functions
punkman: btw aren't all those stacked "using namespace std;" "using namespace boost;" statements a bad idea?
solrodar: yeah, it's just a list of regexes, you can change them as you like
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 23:15:17; mircea_popescu: owner of node may choose to depend on it
BingoBoingo: solrodar: If your recipe works a narrative of it could be welcome qntra material
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 23:15:23; mircea_popescu: otherwise, nothing keeps you from keeping your own time.
solrodar: the one thing which is missing which you asked for is virtual function calls, which are only used in the keystore base class
solrodar: they don't appear to be in the clang output
solrodar: it sees their implementations but it doesn't see calls to them via the virtual lookup mechanism
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << i keep own time, and usg introduces leap second. now what << How often? A minute over a century and ignoring should be fine
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The time nerds burn the... Well QuickTrip and CVS were done so I guess WalMart
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BingoBoingo: Leapweek would purely put USG time in the realm of clearly fiat time
BingoBoingo: Yes, even with the Romans fiat time. But poerverted like now dollar fiat time. At present still enjoy 1934 dollar fiat time
decimation: asciilifeform: how is 'mean solar day is split into two parts; divided into 24 peices' fiat time?
decimation: you were the one arguing to ditch leap seconds
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell time does not exist other than as a projection perpetrated by the brain
decimation: time is absolute, space squishes and streches to nail to its strictures
decimation: asciilifeform: what does 'time outside of humanity' even mean?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Astronomical time is probelematic in that we do not know if LizardHitler mothership can subtly tow sun a few miles or give the moon a push
decimation: what's the use of 'bitcoin outside of humanity'
decimation: even martians could live with a 24-hour earth day
decimation: 'dude just tell us how to set our clocks'
decimation: but quite separate than 'we depend on time'
decimation: I guess I just can't see 'we need to sun' to be a huge limitation on any human endeavour
decimation: easily achieved with stopwatch and gnomon
decimation: yeah but these aren't launching into space
decimation: well, if that were a hard spec I would agree, need txco or ocxo
decimation: and there's no way around it, if actual human cannot set
williamdunne: From the looks of things, S.MPOE used to have a thousand BTC or so volume per day
decimation: or we cannot build a trusted network of time sources
decimation: you mean modifying the bitcoind to accept wider windows of blocks?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> easily achieved with stopwatch and gnomon << This leads you to my world, where my mechinical autowinding watch is always perfectly accurate because I declare it so
decimation: BingoBoingo: can you use your winding to predict the sunrise
mats: recently S.MPOE has stood still
decimation: asciilifeform: you do, it involves hardware
BingoBoingo: decimation: Realtive to UTC, yes. I live about a minute in a half to UTC's future
decimation: well, if that's a hard spec, and 'launch into space' is a hard spec, the project is a failure
decimation: unless you are willing to accept the risk of a global ntp/router delay attack
BingoBoingo: to the extent ntp is depended upon by other implementations, it seems ntp servers may need to be polled. If they need to be polled the prolly ought to be polled at arc4random() intervals selecting arc4random() out of the pool each go
decimation: BingoBoingo: ascii's argument is that method is defeated if enemy controlls isp
decimation: I dispuse the 'nothing but pogo would fail'
decimation: plenty of shit is poorly engineered into depending on that kind of stuff
BingoBoingo: Only way to truly defeat ISP is mock over the horizon radar which can force PCB to recieve all data as an involuntary antenna.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> say my isp makes all ntp queries chronically 3 minutes off into the past << Burn a Walmart
BingoBoingo: Perhaps L1 and L2 pogo impregnators should herd the impregnated pogos
decimation: and such an error, if it ends up driving the clock off by several minutes, would be detectable in a variety of ways
decimation: some other isp client finds his computer is 'off'
decimation: your scenario would imply that no human looks at the time served by said isp
decimation: I'm emphasizing the sun because that's the policy by which time is defined
decimation: usg didn't make this policy any more than england did
decimation: and usg fucking with the way computers distribute time would ultimately be noticed by some innocent bystander
decimation: I would also note that if the pogo clock varies in a systematic way (constant frequency error)
decimation: so if the pogo syncs to a random node once per month and keeps time within a few minutes, it'll be fine
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decimation: is it vulnerable? yes. more vulnerable than proof-of-work? yes, if in the hands of an idiot
decimation: most ntp nodes are tracable to some source (yes often usg) to two layers
decimation: but that usg clock is depended on by and awful lot of shit
decimation: if usg starts messing with gps it would be quickly noticed and shouted at
decimation: agreed, but to selectively fuck with known bitcoin nodes would imply the deployment of an awful lot of hardware and expertise globally
decimation: you think you could call up your local comcastic office, pretend to be hitler, and demand that a particular protocol be selectively fucked with?
decimation: no reason your ntp query need cross it
BingoBoingo: I guess Bitcoin builds an Argentina, Phillipines, somolia, ISIS backbone and moves geographically
decimation: but your 'fucked with at the isp level' argument falls apart in that case
decimation: I would agree that if the pogo needs to be launched into space, it wouldn't be such a bad thing if it knew where it was on the internet topology, especially relative to other bitcoin nodes
decimation: asciilifeform: it's possible but again it requires expertise and equipment
decimation: comcast can barely keeps the lights running
decimation: what usg agency would perform this work domestically?
decimation: and 'fucking with bitcoin' is probably pretty low on usg's hitlist (not that it should be so low)
BingoBoingo: I doubt that after today. After the Chicom stockmarket sell embargo and NYSE glitch
decimation: neither do I. but assuming the pogo isn't a complete bust, someone's gonna have to evaluate the risk
decimation: how would you know that, if you don't know the hitlist
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assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 21:44:22; mircea_popescu: that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks.
decimation: "The total value of all the residential property in Kentucky ($300 billion) falls just short of the value of all the housing property in Queens ($317 billion). The housing value of the Upper East Side all by itself is greater than that of six states."
BingoBoingo: decimation: Too be fair Kentucky isn't "flat" enough for intentive Monsanto'ing
decimation: asciilifeform: it's actually a pretty nice place
decimation: nydwracu pointed out how coast elites treat anywhere 100 miles inland in the us as 'foriegn country'
BingoBoingo: Kentucky is beautiful. Like Southern Illinois, but entirely politically divorced from Chicago aside from Obola
BingoBoingo: <decimation> nydwracu pointed out how coast elites treat anywhere 100 miles inland in the us as 'foriegn country' << I prefer this arrangement
decimation: yeah, I get it, the meatwot is important
decimation: also being within 'reasonable transport' distance of good food, places of learning, etc
decimation: I predict that if the 'hyperloop' actually works (dubious) it would rot the suburbs around megacities
decimation: a sizable chunk of the wash dc population would move 100-200 miles away if they could commute in 15 minutes
☟︎ The20YearIRCloud: Boy I had a crappy day, one of the renters called me and nothing would drain. Only to find out they've been parking a car on the main drain line. I offered to go out rather than my crew to take care of it, 3hrs later and $400 we've determined that it's all due to someone parking on the drain line and actually pushing it out of the fittings.
decimation: yeah, like did they forget to use pvc cement?
The20YearIRCloud: still works somewhat well, but parking on it certainly hasn't helped things
The20YearIRCloud: Part of that $400 was to have a guy come out with a camera and inspect the line
Vexual: plus cakes for you while u lurk?
decimation: the 'loose soil' must be underneath the pipe
decimation: I would guess the drain is eroding the surrounding soil
The20YearIRCloud: Quite possibly, there's a concrete walkway that's actually sunk down about 6"
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 02:22:22; decimation: a sizable chunk of the wash dc population would move 100-200 miles away if they could commute in 15 minutes
Vexual: is it being dug up now?
decimation: asciilifeform: except the highways were ultimately not built
decimation: md 200 should be a full freeway, connect with 95 on at least two other river crossings
decimation: asciilifeform: yes but I'm convinced the reason that people live 2 hours away is because of zoning policy
decimation: could easily fit the entire metro area's population inside the beltway (affordably) if you could build 50 story highrises
decimation: but there's this weird need to have 'own country estate' in the us
decimation: actually I agree with you, I feel the same way to some degree
decimation: my theory is that the space you had as a child 'imprints'
decimation: city kid can live in apartment for life
The20YearIRCloud: Not all people are like that, in Columbus they're building lots of 30-40 story apartments because people want em
The20YearIRCloud: They're relatively cheap - $150k-$200k in really well-to-do areas, people want em because they're in the middle of everything and cheap
Vexual: opposition leader is explaining to the royal commission here on tv, how to build roads that don't need fixing all the time
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: yeah but in columbus at least it is legal to build more than 5 stories
trinque: I spent time on a large farm as a kid, cannot stand the population density of cities
trinque: so naturally I live in one
trinque: just the background noise is irritating, like living in an engine room
The20YearIRCloud: I don't like that, but i REALLY don't like not being able to stand on the back porch and not see anything
decimation: but this means that there are probably many people who are 'trapped' - desire more space between themselves and others - but cannot move away in order to keep a job
The20YearIRCloud: As it stands now ,if I do that here I see tall grass, a trailer, a half plywood house, then a large agricultural facility
trinque: The20YearIRCloud: ah man, best thing in the world is to not see another human in any direction
decimation: asciilifeform: you should buy a farm in kentucky
The20YearIRCloud: We have areas here in ohio that have less population than many in kentucky
trinque: I'm thinking getting some land in Washington state might be ideal
trinque: close enough to drive to seattle shortly, but far enough to not know it
trinque: decimation: not sure, I've yet to spend time east of them
trinque: maybe there's something nice down 90 waiting for me
phf: i lived 8 hours north of anchorage for 6 months or so, working remote. when i get out of the house in the morning my ears would heart from the silence. best 6 months of my life
trinque: and the concentration that can be mustered (in my case at least) cannot be matched inside the engine room
phf: The20YearIRCloud: after a bit your start hearing the trees lightly creaking in the wind
The20YearIRCloud: I know on the farm it wasn't really ever quiet, there was always something
trinque: but things your mind is quite used to
decimation: asciilifeform: especially mobile ones?
phf: The20YearIRCloud: this was on denali highway which is a kind of a wind tunnel nearby from a glacier. most of it is freezing all the way till mid summer (though i don't know, i spent a winter there)
decimation has subwoofers, but attenuates by 30 dB at least
trinque: as opposed to the hiss of hydraulic brakes, blare of horns, rumble of combustion engines
decimation: I find it really annoying to have muddled bass
trinque: bugs I can tune out easily
phf: The20YearIRCloud: but when the wind dies down (mornings mostly) it's what i would call dignified solitude. mountains, quiet. lots of interesting people living within 100 mile range :>
Vexual: for a day of funk phreakers blowing holes in speakers, a discussion on silence is delicious
Vexual: you'd notice a bear from miles away
Vexual: and the inverse i guess
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 20:42:45; bagels7: i'll be your slave for a million dollars on a 5 year basis
mircea_popescu: an' for that matter the "basis" doesn't work like you imagine it does.
Vexual: hey funk i saw clinton play, guy made ozone, ya could smell it
phf: Vexual: kodiak bears stay away mostly. sometimes you get teenage bears looking for trouble, but i've only heard second hand stories
Vexual: what happenis if theres a bear looking for trouble? do you run away?
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 21:13:37; ascii_field: the other is so that gavin & co. can try to persuade miners to use their turdball
phf: that specific breed of bears is tame. mostly you spook them and they run away, or you stay and wait for them to sniff and leave. after a few encounters like that the idea of macing a bear from close range doesn't seem particularly disconcerting
Vexual: no, i din't even yell out
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 21:17:35; ascii_field: one telling mark of a tard is that he is unwilling to consider that market's job is not only to supply folks with things, but to REFUSE to supply them
Vexual: few years back, i forget
mircea_popescu: reddit then creating a new dogecoin to serve its perceived needs is a sign of reddit staying reddit, which is top say fucktarded and unable to learn from its mistakes.
mircea_popescu: this is a necessity, given that reddit simply is "that collection of people at the age and level of stupidity of a redditard"
mircea_popescu: so, whatever, dogecon, keisercoin, auroracoin, gavincoin, blablacoin, let the kids have fun
mircea_popescu: also better than watching vr mj or whatever it is emi puts out
funkenstein_: reminds me, showed girl b-a channel yesterday. respones, wow cool.. people chat online who aren't just trying to get laid?
funkenstein_: one never knows, could be more but not so few as indicating severe problems
mod6: height=363734 << wedged here for ~2 hours.
mod6: I don't see any attempt to reorg... but i'm gonna increase the db locks * 2 and see if that changes anything.
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 00:53:52; asciilifeform: at least 10% of the page should be occupied by letters.
mircea_popescu: mod6 iirc asciilifeform saw the same wedge spot for a bit.
mod6: yeah, im fairly sure that he did.
mod6: asciilifeform: what did you do to bypass this, i thought i read you reconnected with -addnode or did you just /wait/ for a long period?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 01:17:02; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193949 << virtually all of them do, however. whether ~i~ choose to run ntp or not does not change the fact that the bulk of the network (including - though i can only suspect! - the mining bulk) does.
mircea_popescu: it already allows me to publicly mock all sorts of traditional power structures, reject nist, what have you.
decimation: wait, to be anti-leap second is to be pro-'usg controls time'
decimation: the policy becomes 'time is what my clock in my fortress says' not 'what the sun does'
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 01:22:46; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193979 << mircea_popescu misunderstood my point entirely. which was, that it is possible to have arbitrarily original ideas in, e.g., mathematics, while being certifiably worthless at 'making phriends and influencing people'
mircea_popescu: decimation there is no "sun does" immediately. sun doesn't. what there is, is, "here's what i say the sun does".
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BingoBoingo: <trinque> close enough to drive to seattle shortly, but far enough to not know it << I would not mind life in Duquoin Illinois if I could support myself there. Trains to Chicago and St Louis, bars walkable. Secondary State Fair. Just everything else... ick
decimation: the only reason leap seconds are even a thing is because clocks have become more precise than the sun
funkenstein_: the concept of "fiat time" is interesting. If we are going to think about what is money ourselves instead of believing the guy in the funny hat, should we also do the same when asked what time it is?
decimation: funkenstein_: sure, but note that humanity has a pretty solid informal standard going, has for a long time
mircea_popescu: decimation if this facetious "precision" were the point, it wouldn't be t here and t+1 hour a km away.
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 03:17:08; mod6: asciilifeform: what did you do to bypass this, i thought i read you reconnected with -addnode or did you just /wait/ for a long period?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << the going rate in that market is a few hundred. << I read the original message as hope for a winning "ticket"
decimation: okay, if it's political influence, what's the policy?
funkenstein_: decimation, not really.. the adjustments are to sync the cycles together
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if bitcoin nodes agree to any different time, it's rejected.
mircea_popescu: again, the possibility is here more important than the actuality.
decimation: funkenstein_: you are confusing calendar and clock
mircea_popescu: no, the thing they spent a trillion to build missiles and subs
decimation: there are three important periodic behaviours. the orbit of the earth about the sun, (lesser - moon about the earth), the rotation of the earth about its axis, and the vibration of cesium atoms. leap seconds syncronise earth's rotation with cesium. calendar synchronizes earth's rotation with its orbit
BingoBoingo: <decimation> the only reason leap seconds are even a thing is because clocks have become more precise than the sun << No, it is because Sun and Cesium disagree
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 01:34:14; asciilifeform: not from under the bed of the gurlz mircea_popescu picks up and pogopregnates
funkenstein_: decimation, you miss the long cycle, but thanks for the distinction between leap second and leap year
decimation: yet, I can use cesium to predict sunrises and use sunrises to predict cesium
mircea_popescu: the idea was to make use of net jacks in people's houses
decimation: if we were to ditch leap seconds, I would need to know the 'current delta' to predict cesium from sunrises and vice versa
BingoBoingo watches "Gladiator(2000)" for the first time. Damn the Nordic system sucks.
mircea_popescu: "so you'd like to learn more about bitcoin ? here's a pogo and here's a webpage, make it work"
decimation: "Step one: configure an accurate ntp server. if you don't know how to check the time, ask your parents"
decimation: or alternatively "Step one: after booting, ensure the pogo has acquired accurate time"
decimation: asciilifeform does have a good point, it seems like a 'sealed system' would have a wider application
decimation: better yet, build one in the shape of a power strip (with wifi) and install in local starbucks
decimation: you might be able to hijack "STUN" servers meant for sip
BingoBoingo: By argument via Hollywood /me has no idea how Romans beat Spartans to conquer Greece
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decimation: ^ would create a choke point of course
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as i said, this wasn't to my mind related to the p2p relay thing
mircea_popescu: we will never have enough of these to simply throw away either
mircea_popescu: well, an item has the advantage that it can be used as it can be used, rather than as can be intended.
mircea_popescu: but the idea throughout, at least in my head, was to have something to give new bloods
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 01:40:33; asciilifeform: this is realistic, because nothing but pogo will seriously fail if this were done
decimation: bank, local merchant shop cash register, games, winblowz, local govt, etc
mircea_popescu: decimation: what usg agency would perform this work domestically? asciilifeform:at&t. << top kek
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8888 @ 0.00056898 = 5.0571 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 02:13:37; asciilifeform: the coasts are where usg hands out payola.
mircea_popescu: borrows in europe, distributes loot to people in capital
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do these schmucks need as much as a cigarette butt ?
decimation: I think "absolutely trivial" is a bit of an overstatement
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. like the us did it back when it mattered.
decimation: those 50 acres are either owned by monsanto or abandoned today
mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest electroal slogans here (in the line of "podremos vivir mejor", of course) was... "hay mas futuro"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck even comes up with this shit. "there's future left"
decimation: "we are the ones we have been waiting for"
mircea_popescu: well... keynesian logic. if consumption drives production then clearly the economy's never been ion a better shape
Vexual: so if we have sealevel sattelites that don't move...
BingoBoingo: Fuck, in Gladiator (2000) there are plain tire tracks on the cravel roads
Vexual: !g filipino black eyed peas
gribble: Error: "g" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> those 50 acres are either owned by monsanto or abandoned today << Please point me to 50 US acres that are truly abadon. No "owner" no renter, no Sheriff.
Vexual: you mean like a cinemagraphical error?
BingoBoingo: Especially the last point because sheriff usually enforces abadon remaining verboten
decimation: BingoBoingo: there's plenty of 'wasteland' out west
BingoBoingo: WHich is problem. Even if you shoot sheriff, there exists deputy
funkenstein_: sheriff shows up sometime after you put something valuable there
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Nah, they don't want hippies, chase away merely warm bodies
funkenstein_ recalls being woken "can't sleep here" on various travels
BingoBoingo: Anecdotally Urban US squats safer than rural US squats
funkenstein_: read my mind; i was just going to ask about when will squat culture arise
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funkenstein_: somehow it appears stronger in continental europe
funkenstein_: could also be who i was rolling with at the time
decimation: I'm watching a youtube of some uk guy who decided to hop freight trains in canada
decimation: he decides to be a hobo for fun I guess
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assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 01:59:04; asciilifeform: and this kind of dull, mechanistic diddlage is precisely what usg specializes in
jurov: but actively intercepting and replacing individual packets is much more complicated effort
jurov: so far only china managed that with any degree of success
BingoBoingo: shinohai: If you must link to reddit no np.reddit links, for they are a trap to preserve their platform
jurov: and it needs so much manpower that someone from "terrorist-packets-on-backbone-diddling-dept." would already spill the beans
shinohai: I fergotI forgot i was laughing so hard BingoBoingo
jurov: say, let's put time.windows.com or google's addy among there and make the occassional packet look like systemd or windows emit
jurov: what is usg to do? risk diddling time on throngs of linux/windows machines?
jurov: or try to precisely pinpoint which packet is from pogo and which is from other machines?
☟︎ jurov: or make buth m$/google move the servers to different IPs? no way that wouldn't get noticed, actually would be useful signal for us
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punkman: "Berlusconi, 78, will not have to serve the sentence as the statute of limitations expires later this year, well before a final ruling will have been reached on appeal."
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thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu On Qntra you said, "This is a resource war and you people are poor." Well some poor redditard was venting this morning and in his rage said, "I wish I had the money to...do xyz". Ironic how denial turns to anger, almost like stages of grief.
punkman: "I wish I had the money to setup enough miners myself to get 95% hashing power and just freaking fork already."
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punkman: yeah because people are gonna stay on your stupid fork of course
shinohai: np.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3cnw86/bitcoiners_throws_temper_tantrum_as_miners_fail/
gribble: Error: "bc,tslb" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
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assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 08:50:06; jurov: or try to precisely pinpoint which packet is from pogo and which is from other machines?
jurov: how do you know ntp is from the bitcoin node and not from other machine on the same network?
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 03:34:05; mircea_popescu: In addition, anti-fascism was never to have as cheap as today. Previously, he could cost you your life, today it costs no more than lip service among peers - and heard to this, the exclusive circle of the upright, decent, brave. The fighters against law form the peerage of enlightened society. Or even a shot polemical: Here is an indulgence trade takes place; the moral superiority can be acquired sim
jurov: so, instruct chumps "scream if you notice weird time"
decimation: reportedly it was a passive beam splitter
jurov: asciilifeform: and my idea is that pogos will be together with other computers behind the NAT
jurov: and these other computers can server as canary, users *do* notice time off by hour
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jurov: if it is not specific, how it can be a cause?
☟︎ jurov: and i keep telling you they already do cuz internet *is* usg institution
jurov: we're stuck with ntp since you rejected everything other short of bitcoin reimplementation
jurov: if we agree to ship with pogos also 100 of authed ntp servers, I'm all for it
jurov: just that in your scenario of hostile isp and everything, they will be yet more easy to block than time.windows.com
decimation: asciilifeform: are there specs for the rtc modules? specifically thermal stability?
lobbes: heh, we need a b-a factory.
kakobrekla: or the need for one. can service others in yurop i guess.
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punkman: "However, a Fitbit device Risley was wearing told a different story, the affidavit shows. The device, which monitors a person’s activity and sleep, showed Risley was awake and walking around at the time she claimed she was sleeping."
mircea_popescu: "During certificate verification, OpenSSL (starting from version 1.0.1n and 1.0.2b) will attempt to find an alternative certificate chain if the first attempt to build such a chain fails. An error in the implementation of this logic can mean that an attacker could cause certain checks on untrusted certificates to be bypassed, such as the CA flag, enabling them to use a valid leaf certificate to act as a CA and "issue"
mircea_popescu: and yet, "we do not feel compelled to denounce the person who added this hole in our codebase, and call for a boycott from everyone on it against their sorry ass. because, fundamentally... it's us."
mircea_popescu: "As per our previous announcements and our Release Strategy (
https://www.openssl.org/about/releasestrat.html), support for OpenSSL versions 1.0.0 and 0.9.8 will cease on 31st December 2015. No security updates for these releases will be provided after that date. Users of these releases are advised to upgrade."
mircea_popescu: "we will stop deliberately adding holes to these versions aftyer this date, and you are please asked to upgrade because we won't be sending patches a quarter afterwards, either"
mircea_popescu: that way, you won't need "security patches" in the first place.
mircea_popescu: you may be the only one here seriously following gentoo.
mircea_popescu: yes there ios a known workaround. has been known since 1985. FUCK UNICODE.
shinohai: whelp I hve a pogo now. A blank canvas, if you will.
shinohai graciously thanks mats again ...
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shinohai: I am sorry to report that I have not yet received an email from trilema with a deposit addy
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shinohai: I dunno. I get the dev mailing list.
shinohai: but not trilema, and nothing in spam folder so i dunno :/
shinohai: I could send to deedbot or something?
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punkman: javascript corrupting memory
shinohai: Busybox on pogo mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /tmp/usb failed: Invalid argument
punkman: the "spam" is now up to 0.00034513 fee
shinohai: Fer crissakes I forgot to partition fr.
shinohai: But it must wait until sfter lunch.
decimation: asciilifeform: www.ebay.com/itm/INBOARD-RTC-DS3232-Real-Time-Clock-and-Temperature-Sensor-I2C-BUS-PIC-AVR-ARM-/120841157983 < hi-spec part
decimation: unlike alot of the other rtcs, the crystal is on-chip and temp compensated
decimation: my reading of the spec sheet is that combined aging and temperature stability (assuming 0-40C) would be about 8.5 ppm
decimation: which means about 4.5 minutes per year
mircea_popescu: yeah it's good for a decade, since we have ~2 hours to spare
decimation: likely, the cr1203 battery wouldn't last that log
mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised. those damned things... i've had one for a decade.
decimation: but as you can see it isn't cheap, the chip is about $9 in single quantity and about $4 in units of 1000
mircea_popescu: yeah. like hdds : either dead in six months or good forever.
mircea_popescu: like humans, actually. either die as a youthful ape, or else get cancer, or else... age 150
shinohai: I got a really old SATA with debian wheezy on it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's still a very good clock by the looks of it.
decimation: unfortunately the really cheap ($1) rtcs available do not come with specs, it would be interesting to know what they are
decimation: asciilifeform: you can configure ntp to ignore the network and use RTC
mircea_popescu: i don't expect technologee changed these much since the 90s
decimation: you set rtc, usg doesn't set your clock?
decimation: likely the rtc has a more stable clock than the 2ghz clock that runs your cpu
decimation: well, the advantage that ntp brings is the long-term PLL that gently corrects
decimation: but you could periodically bang the clock
decimation: in the case of bitcoind that would work
decimation: for other applications moving the clock around might make them sad
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ready for the will/intelligence discussion ?
mircea_popescu: me ? you're the one to fire. you proposed pink shapeless.
mircea_popescu: but that's not where the problem lies. the problem lies at the spot where you propose there exists an "intelligence" that nevertheless does not have control of the processor.
mircea_popescu: if one is purportedly intelligent, how is it then that his brain does not work intelligently ?
mircea_popescu: for this is the definition of intellectual faculty : the driver.
mircea_popescu: and yes, redditards are not necessarily unintelligent in the sense of derp.
mircea_popescu: so is a guy paralised on half his body half an athlete ?
mircea_popescu: in any case, weren't you bravely accusing ME of viewing things as scalars ?
funkenstein_: there is a special space in the hilbert space of stupidity for those who think intelligence can be well described with a scalar
mircea_popescu: there is an ennumerable list of people by their intelligence. this usually reduces to sorting them by score
funkenstein_: i have found fiat wealth correlates linearly with a broad integral of stupidity
mircea_popescu: "oh it can be the case i can lift rocks but not railroad metal"
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as they both exist, they both exist. inasmuch as the one you're good at doesn't exist, you're basically wanking.
mircea_popescu: the curse of existence is that it is approachable. just like a tool has its uses, irrespective of a maker's intention.
mircea_popescu: i am merely pointing out that if both things you discuss exist, then both necessarily, by definition of existence, are approachable.
mircea_popescu: this is traditonally pointed out to the shy young male as "you know, even the lady of your heart farts"
mircea_popescu: or whatever, your hero also bleeds, there's a lengthy cultural history of this idealisation problem.
mircea_popescu: but if it does exist, then yes, it will necessarily be found eventually.
mircea_popescu: and if it were the case the commercial value of piece of pluto ten times exceeded the commercial cost of sending miner ?
mircea_popescu: do the math, sometime. a miner earns 0.2% or some shit.
mircea_popescu: of course, sold != deployed, but the error isn't great.
mircea_popescu: they are kept in warehouse for same reasdon you want untouched pogo
mircea_popescu: people have this fixed idea that getting others involved is the worst play.
mircea_popescu: it isn't the worst play, but hard to get the notion through.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. chief among them, a poor handling of cooperation.
mircea_popescu: i am not unaware of this possibility, yet i apparently discounted it, preferring a divergent approach. maybe i'm just that dumb.
mircea_popescu: what else has first mover advantage ? making a bitcoin foundation ?
mircea_popescu: o, wait, that schmucky chick. what was it, chamber of buttsex ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're just going through the motions. they don't really know what they're doing, nobodyu sat dowqn and thought things through.
mircea_popescu: the packing thing is a result of the consumer electronics market
mircea_popescu: they don't understand that if you sell for yourself, and not to put in a desktop, you have diff engineering constraints
mircea_popescu: actually more floor space = better for a short interval at the place they're now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and at some point, america teemed with fucktarded savages and nobody came to kill the males and rape the females.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ << that's basically the ideology of butthurt.
mircea_popescu: it is drastically unwise to imagine a certificate of intelligence as a sort of consolation prize.
funkenstein_: the point at which Americas so teemed began in 1600 or so
mircea_popescu: that's what late empire matrons tell their effette offspring that just lost at the races to the hearty barbarians : "don
mircea_popescu: they're not so stupid, and the measure of their superior intelligence is to be found in the joyous cries of the noble roman's girlfriend.
funkenstein_: it's not a question of "don't worry" .. actually, we should be worried
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. improbable, which all reality ever is.
funkenstein_: the reason wealth is often correlated with dumb is probably similar to why gps ownership is correlated with poor navigation skills
mircea_popescu: i propose that gcd is one of the few smart things we know.
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mircea_popescu: and so it came to pass zeus eventually ran out of book.
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, how'd such a roman proof look like ?
mircea_popescu: (but this is perhaps the most obscure field of all scholarship - constructive cultural antrhopology, which is to say : construct FUTURE development of science on the basis and with the methods available in X context.
mircea_popescu: a superlative form of hermeneutics if you wish. certainly decent training exercise for the more advanced students.
mircea_popescu: even the most cursory effort to consider the matter sunks people like orlov.
mircea_popescu: it should be standard class in disinfo ministry, but hey. they're also saving these days.
mircea_popescu: like they have in indonesia / poor asia generally and it fascinated tarantino
mircea_popescu: ever seen the sexploitations in question ? women on cots, 500 to a hall, separated by hanging sheets ?
mircea_popescu visited one such thing, in costa rica. it is the closest i ever got to a medieval hospital.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah DS3231 is the older version of the same chip that doesn't have any onboard sram
decimation: I think the 3231 is end of life, probably trying to ditch stock
decimation: asciilifeform: I think at least one use is utility meters
decimation: any case where you have a cheap sensor that you 'launch'
decimation: oh they also use them in gps receivers
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decimation: yeah the ds3231 has the same spec for time performance
decimation: 'cause a 3231 costs like $4.50 from digikey in qty 1000
mircea_popescu: yeah somebody with still a reddit acct plox ask scwhartz to come over.
mircea_popescu: i mean of all the places... no wonder it took forever to find him.
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funkenstein_: i think i saw him on sci.physics.relativity a decade ago
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 youtube stopped working for me with some update or other.
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: I watched that last week.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not even convinced yet. just, not particularly convinced of the contrapositive.
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mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 vimeo never worked. for some reason html5 standards are too hard for these schmucks
mircea_popescu: (that reason being, obviously, that they can't get to play their inept advertising with it)
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: well, it's called The Act Of Killing and you should look at it
mircea_popescu: i had no idea just how iconoclastic i actually am, before b-a
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: a text? don't understand
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 18:20:13; asciilifeform: or this thread!
mircea_popescu: that film or whatever it is, does it have a script or some such textual equivalent ?
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: what'd you think? fucking bizarre?
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: eh them recalling the days of murdering people... it seemed rather natural
trinque: having them reenact the events was a little strange, but what I was struck with was the matter-of-fact attitude they had towards the events, mostly
funkenstein_: wait violence and killing in movies? what a novel idea
trinque: I figure I live a pretty padded life not knowing what that's like
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yeah, natural in a way... but the vibrant colors, the recreations, them watching the takes and commenting... the translations... fucking crazy
mircea_popescu: "The government chose not to enact coercive measures, however, stating that the regulation of the online activities of children was up to parents, not the government. " << most important thing about minitel.
trinque: funkenstein_: docu has folks from kissinger's indonesian bloodletting reenacting and recounting their stories
mircea_popescu: i'd have much rather had french internet than ustardian internet.
ag3nt_zer0: I wasn't in the mood the first few times I started it, so I stopped... finally last night had the receptivity and it hit pretty good...
mircea_popescu: and generally, the world will be broadly a better place once the colonies get their voice turned down to the 1.6-2.2 they deserve.
mircea_popescu: there is no conceivable reason the combined cultural pull of us should exceed that of greece. they're about the same toilet.
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: there's another along these lines, was pretty good
trinque: I'm trying to recall the name
mike_c: Sorry for part spam.. different client/computer than usual.
trinque: had 'nam vets and such talking about how they couldn't come back from war mentally because they liked war so much
trinque: wasn't the majority of them, but some felt that way
trinque: the idea of a "warrior" seems foreign these days, I guess
mike_c: Who knows. I try not to think about it.
mike_c: got a couple of good blog posts coming up though that are half way done.
mike_c: bad busy. Time is sucked away on things that aren't worth it.
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yeah I suppose... unless you have to sit through a multiculturalism focused education program in humboldt county run by marxism-hypnotized dykes... then noticing fruits of their labor in Silly Valley public ed... then start thinking warrior again
ag3nt_zer0: haha it isnt even just under the surface
mircea_popescu: just because they sell shit under imported names in the us doesn't mean the originals are bad
trinque: asciilifeform: hey, they change the holiday aisle at walmart for cinco de mayo!
ag3nt_zer0: I am a fan of apple because I live in silly valley
mircea_popescu: nah, doesn't reduce to that. central europe used to be run by a multicultural empire.
mircea_popescu: we did the funny naming conventions they used here before
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: multi-racial? or just multicult?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i blame you and your antistemming policies.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 let's put it this way : you couldn't as a middle class woman marry some douche who didn't speak multiple languages. because your parents wouldn't let you.
trinque: along those lines, I only just found naggum's hyperspec.el
trinque: let it be known that I resent having had to search the landfill for this shit
ag3nt_zer0: I mean maybe we aren't speaking of the same thing... here, in US, multiculti is synonymous with "tolerance" and "diversity" and cultural relativism.... which translates to, in many cases, classrooms full of unruly mexican children claiming racism if you say that 2+2=4
mircea_popescu: and i bet you they told you all you needed to hear about gravity wells and whatnot.
ag3nt_zer0: meanwhile, any good student, mexican, white, asian, whatever, is completely fucked and her education is retarded even more than it would be normally, just by virtue of the PE system... but this shit makes it so much worse
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, can't leave disqus because that's where his discwot is.
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mircea_popescu: yeah. and if us falls over how many folk will go to canada.
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: that reduces to "you should, as the teacher, be in charge of the fucking room."
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 09:58:31; punkman: "Berlusconi, 78, will not have to serve the sentence as the statute of limitations expires later this year, well before a final ruling will have been reached on appeal."
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194820 << the reason he doesn't have the ~2 trillion required is EXACTLY that he would do this with it. and it's a stupid idea and it shouldt be done. in the general case, money works to limit the power of influencing the course of events people have, and gathers itself in the hands of those who ~SHOULD~ have most to say.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 12:58:26; punkman: "I wish I had the money to setup enough miners myself to get 95% hashing power and just freaking fork already."
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yes but these ridiculously reductionist tolerance ideas put into the heads of idiots just amounts to, as MP says something about in a blurb about professionalism on trilema, amateurs playing the racist card or what not... any number of limp-dicked excuses and diversions from what should be the teacher's right to maintain a fucking orderly environment
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: sounds kinda like men's rights
trinque: what I'm saying is if you were in power in the situation it wouldn't matter
trinque: the idea that a bunch of kids can overrule you is insane, aside from a fantasy
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 21:17:35; ascii_field: one telling mark of a tard is that he is unwilling to consider that market's job is not only to supply folks with things, but to REFUSE to supply them
mircea_popescu: BitFury pool (~ 16% of hashrate) drops their max block size to 135 kB amidst large mempool backlog << check out all the gavin miner support.
mircea_popescu: "You can't solve a problem of lack of bandwidth by higher fees for access. A system that is too bandwidth limited to serve it's users isn't fixed by making the service more expensive."
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: to reword what I was saying, thinking in terms of rights means somebody else is in charge, doesn't it?
mircea_popescu: "bandwidth just comes from whining to dad, money has nothing to do with it. why should i get a summere job ??!?!?!"
trinque: whereas the problem you describe is one of *you* not being in charge
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: to be fair, I was subbing last year, and so these were not "my" classrooms, but still, it is just so fucking degenerate man... but check this: even of it IS your classroom it can still be quite dufficult with these fucking democratically programmed idiots in charge
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform two words from a pile of paper you yourself regard as disinfo ?
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: oh I know; I think it's too fucked to salvage
ag3nt_zer0: for instance, I just got a job teaching music at a school 2 days a week... so it's my own classroom. however, I have already been told that "we don't ever raise our voices here"... "we all go by our first names"... etc all this hippy slop
ag3nt_zer0: and also "we use a program called "positive discipline"....
ag3nt_zer0: so i resisted for a while, then finally looked it up thinkning "ok, I'll have a good go at it and backburner my cynicism"
trinque: and when the child screams for another cupcake, you shall deliver it to him in no less than 15 seconds
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 14:50:35; asciilifeform: we launch the pogos, and suddenly 'ntp is obsolete, dontchaknow,' here is a new replacement by poettering, 85% consensus1111!!!1111!!! within weeks, plug pulled on ntp servers
mircea_popescu: sort-of like the "here's gavin's head on a plate, fuckwits. now what ?"
ag3nt_zer0: and it turns out the entire thing was created by a guy who commited suicide in a hotel room after he was accused of molesting kids
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 so you told them that "maybe YOU do, miss derp, but I do not. anything else ?"
trinque: really do have to be willing to fight people to keep any sanity in the states
ag3nt_zer0: and trinque, this is a PARENT PARTICIPATION school... and none of these motherfuckers seem to know that their entire discipline system was created by this jack ass
trinque: so piss in all their cheerios or leave, mang
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 14:54:36; jurov: if it is not specific, how it can be a cause?
ag3nt_zer0: but I won't say anything till I make my money to travel the world next year... then when I quit I will mention that they should look into their shit a little more
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: hell I've written php for rent
trinque: the whole thing's coming down anyway
trinque: it's not like you're going to save that public school from itself and then that'll somehow mean the empire doesn't fall over anyway
trinque: sling php with abandon, I say, and study common lisp all evening and night
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: the principal said that I have a choice... but it was just a sidelined statement really
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 15:07:02; asciilifeform: can be attached to the gpio in pogo
mircea_popescu: you went to school, learned a trade, now youy're gonna aplly it.
mircea_popescu: you, of all the only people here, are in the best position. stop making up random excuses.
mircea_popescu: "i don't care how you do it. this is how i do it. get out of my classroom."
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yes, I still have to learn the ropes in these ways... don't fret, my inner psychopath is learning
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 15:24:06; kakobrekla: i have a soldering station, but no pogos.
mircea_popescu: the life and times and the choices before us, good lord.
ag3nt_zer0: my problem is that I get so fucking mad at these poseurs who have the nerve to claim that they carry the flame of knowledge to pass on to these kids... when all they are doing is trying to make themselves appear nice in their own mirrors
mircea_popescu: if it makes you feel; any better, this is a traditional problem of teaching as practiced since that bismarck's invention of the "school"
ag3nt_zer0: yeah... it's coming... just need to do it wisely
mircea_popescu: one kid unhappy with the other poseurs in the "cancelarie" of romanian schools cca 1980. maybe two. in each school.
mats: good to hear shinohai
shinohai: I have everything except a working static build of bitcoind
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decimation: ;;later tell pete_dushenski There is no
decimation: USB support yet, which means that there is no local storage
trinque: anybody recommend a decent web crawler/archiver?
☟︎ trinque: I'm archiving things for the derpocalypse
trinque: nah a command line thinger I can toss a url or regexes at and have it duplicate the site locally
trinque: lol, at least it will give me something to read til the power goes out
trinque: has a bunch of shit regarding those archive sites in it
trinque: I'm just gonna bash script it up
trinque: regex match URLs, if it's from the same domain and not on disk, wget the shit
punkman: you'll be pulling your hair out soon enough
trinque: also keeping a running archive of my /usr/portage/distfiles
trinque: punkman: sweet, it's in portage. ty
trinque: punkman: that thing works great.
trinque: did exactly what I wanted; sane defaults; a++++
danielpbarron:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174822 << that was me and juliatourianski_ at the "bitcoin free-roll" poker tourny at porcfest. We made it to the final table; she busted out on the bubble and I busted out right after that. Sold my 0.3 prize on the spot for 75 dollars (since USD is not so ironically the most liquid asset, even at a libertarian festival)
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 00:19:40; mircea_popescu: is blondy swallowing a casino chip ?
danielpbarron: that's julia, me, birdman, and rassah (in the group photo)
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 20:13:24; trinque: anybody recommend a decent web crawler/archiver?
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 17:12:48; asciilifeform: recuntissance by fire (tm)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 140 @ 0.07996427 = 11.195 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: Squanto was actual IRL implementation of a helpful NPC from Fallout
assbot: Hack of security clearance system affected 21.5 million people, federal authorities say - The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1NWRQ3f )
decimation: wait wait let's not be too hasty here...
decimation: I would like to see the moral reasoning that leads one to believe it is 'ok' to 'conduct traditional espionage' but not the kind that 'can benefit industry'
decimation: I guess it's roughly the same logic that leads one to conqueror Iraq (or Afghanistan) and then pretend that extracting tribute is immoral
mircea_popescu: the only scandal here is that 21.5 mn people worked for the government.
mircea_popescu: really, this should be in the constitution : not more than one person per million.
mircea_popescu: decimation i like that the only thing said there is "we like china cock - so delishious!!1"
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 18:17:05; *: asciilifeform sick of being 2nd-most-lines
decimation: mircea_popescu: it was more like "what china is doing is okay because we do it too!"
mircea_popescu: it was, literally, "we like this kind of rape - the guy is strong enough."
mircea_popescu: all i see here is, the usg is no longer a virgin. today, china raped them and they thanked it for the service.
mircea_popescu: tomorrow, i rape them, and they give me a congressional medal of honor for it.
mircea_popescu: either before that tomorrow or after that tomorrow, some arab kids too.
decimation: mircea_popescu: sure it does, if she has a strap-on and another 300 men lined up
decimation: actually I predict this event will mark a turning point for usg
decimation: because now even the little kids growing up today will know what they are signing up for if they work for usg
decimation: that didn't affect folks who just pushed paper
decimation: well, if they are smart they will be a bit more subtle than that, but it's a fair point
decimation: asciilifeform: the irony is that cn govt and us govt know what is going on, but the average usian voter is kept in the dark
mircea_popescu: the us doesn't even have a fgucking missile spec sheet.
decimation: "The RPPs are calculated using price quotes for a wide array of items from the CPI, which are aggregated into broader expenditure categories (such as food, transportation, or education)1. Data on rents are obtained separately from the Census Bureau's American Community Survey (ACS). The expenditure weights for each category are constructed using CPI expenditure weights, BEA's Personal Consumption Expenditures, and ACS rents expenditur
decimation: yeah, well virginia is especially lulzy
decimation: as if the vast collection of trailer parks 'downstate' makes up for the $mil condos in arlington
decimation: you would end up with that chart I posted yesterday, which shows that 10 counties 'own' the majority of us real estate wealth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75521 @ 0.0005334 = 40.2829 BTC [-] {3}
decimation: yeah, good point. the vast majority of the 'real estate wealth' I just mentioned is actually notional value on some bank's loan sheet
trinque: asciilifeform: this thing punkman linked lets me feed it regexes of interesting stuff to look for
decimation: anyway, the net effect of this 'govt secrecy' racket seems to be to keep secrets from usians, not from foreign spies
pete_dushenski: decimation i continue to confuse the bsd's... for the edgerouter, i used freebsd as well !
pete_dushenski: decimation mebbe if i knew wtf the difference was, i'd be of more use to others
decimation: at least, that's what I got out of that email
decimation: asciilifeform: would you include binary driver turd?
pete_dushenski: o hey bloombergview figured out footnotes. they're catching on to the style, those nooz types, next is qntra-level content.
decimation: so is there an open source replacement for that driver then?
decimation: well, there must be some level of 'basic functionality' the eth device supplies without it
trinque: heh so far ate moldbug and uncle al's sites
trinque: trilema and loper I expect to be able to get via hamsterwheel shortwave gossipd someday
trinque: danielpbarron: the whole forum?
danielpbarron: i lost my nearly 4 month uptime on my pogos when a tree took the power out yesterday afternoon :/
trinque: call me paranoid, but yeah, I'm stockpiling information from now on.
pete_dushenski: "Overall, the fact that the rise of top incomes has been much greater in certain sectors, such as finance, and among senior executives is more consistent with a pattern of rent (excess earnings relative to market-determined earnings) creation and extraction specific to those sectors than with a competitive market for skills." << because "market" is now synonymous with "fair". donchaknow.
trinque: pete_dushenski: god.. the "fair market" is ripe for use as a propaganda term on their end
pete_dushenski: and because "competition" means worse people getting more shit free !
pete_dushenski: because "the market doesn't work unless we make it work"
mircea_popescu: you generally know who the retards wish to be by looking whose words they try to misuse.
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, aha the forward of the book is by berwick, the galt's gulch guy who got a write up in trilema
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 18:37:52; mircea_popescu: sounds like you reached the age of cazalla
trinque: I have not; could do that, yeah
trinque: baby-archivist steps so far, but I was looking at tape archive systems earlier :p
trinque: yeah "adobe flex for dummies" lol?!
trinque: I dunno, maybe this included the basement books
trinque: heh osu has throttled me for pulling too many distfiles from them
danielpbarron: idk if anyone else had tried this already, but I sent some bitcoin to an address created by 0.5.3.1-beta on my pogo, and I think I have successfully sent it all back out but bc.i doesn't want to admit my transaction exists yet
danielpbarron: i sent in 0.001 and sent out 0.0005 with a 0.0005 fee
danielpbarron: also, BingoBoingo's proposed change to 0.001 of the minrelayfee is very handy for keeping pogo synced
trinque: this python-gnupg is a motherfucking piece of shit
danielpbarron: was formerly a dozen or so blocks behind, after restart with new setting, almost fully synced in half an hour
trinque: like... I'm just going to shell out to the gpg binary
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^^ i dare to suggest that the patch be considered by therealbitcoin ^^ << This is a bitcoin.conf option
decimation: appears to have onboard ocxo, which the datasheet claims 5e-8 stability - about +/- 1.5 seconds per year
jurov: ..at 25 +/- 0.1 C , no?
assbot: You rated user jurov on 24-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: A dili-, intelli-, gent..
jurov: lol my name's day here
hanbot: !rate jurov 3 A dili-, intelli-, gent. Eulora copper merchant extraordinaire.
hanbot: !v assbot:hanbot.rate.jurov.3:7d94608b06d5546bfb17e08573890583b92baec4a8e2116ff570e0ffe5a8f477
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 1 to 3 with note: A dili-, intelli-, gent. Eulora copper merchant extraordinaire.
jurov: meh. not exactly cutting my own throat
trinque: asciilifeform: the text of that message silently crashes or hangs python when **printed!!**
trinque: also cannot copy/paste and reupload to dpaste. dpaste gives me a blank screen after POST
trinque: asciilifeform: naggum's lib on your server
trinque: I just grabbed it with requests *and* verified it with the gnupg turd by hand
trinque: it doesn't say shit, but trying, yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00053037 = 3.7391 BTC [-]
trinque: solution being... use less python
trinque: asciilifeform: dunno, python was choking on the string silently; maybe I'll investigate more later
trinque: as for now, I made curl and gpg kiss via the shell (quoted of course)
trinque: and I'll be curious at 5:15 whether it shits something verifiable on deedbot.org
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19392 @ 0.00052413 = 10.1639 BTC [-] {2}