trinque hunkers down for more clim hacking
trinque: most fun I've had in years
trinque: haven't torqued it hard enough to know yet
trinque: ah, no it's doing fine there
trinque: lol yeah, doing fine with 3+ ghz and 8 cores
trinque solemnly swears not to write his own linux distro with clim-based DE in a year
trinque chants "do not give in to astonishment" as he fires up the clim listener
mircea_popescu: actually it's quite possible the eventual b-a distribution is a sort of lisp "java machine"
trinque: can't build a VM for some syslisp which is then implemented later as hardware?
mircea_popescu: if a lisp lisps in a ioless forest, has it still lisped ?
trinque: I'm just glad I figured out I needed to relearn programming at 28 rather than 58
trinque: asciilifeform: how should IO look? what to read?
trinque: right, so on linux I could write some bits to /dev/fb0 ; what might I go read about regarding how that's done on... would genera be a good example?
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trinque: asciilifeform: yes I have, and grok the gist, I think
trinque: what would network IO look like if done on a system with proper bedrock abstractions from your view?
gabriel_laddel: so, for instance, think of the terminal you are now typing into. on a true dataflow box, it would simply be the end of a circuit (screen memory) directly linked to a circuit with the keyboard matrix decoder on the other end of it. you thus also lose the concept of ‘interrupts’ or ‘processes’. a dataflow box doesn’t need a scheduler, or an interrupt
trinque: gabriel_laddel: end of a circuit, so "circuit" is bedrock, or composed thereof?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Right. I should have noted that this is an example of what "sane I/O" might look like.
trinque: what is the circuit? how do I write code which reads the current state of the terminal?
trinque: how do I shove bits into it?
trinque: is there some data structure manifested in the lisp system which represents the state of the thing?
trinque: I could declare that the terminal circuit is now connected to (among other things) my circuit which logs terminal stuff?
trinque: and this declaration is...
trinque: a data structure somewhere read by the switching matrix?
trinque: hm, so is there some circuit which is responsible for the adjacency of other circuits?
trinque: is this a distributed thing, whereby one circuit requests access to another?
trinque: asciilifeform: no, but sometimes there's a cat in it!
mircea_popescu: for that matter, disk is moving to be ram. and ram is sync.
trinque: asciilifeform: so is it the synchronized nature of "modern" IO that is braindamaged?
trinque: I can see that point readily
trinque: I said this to ben_vulpes yesterday about HTTP request/response cycles
trinque: asciilifeform: so this circuit expresses a desire for the answer to some question, and some other circuit may or may not satisfy it
gabriel_laddel: loper-os-reader: I always sort of thought that about CPU designs in general. whilst software designers say “how many cycles is this going to take?”, a hardware designer knows how many cycles something is going to take on a chip: one. or else
gabriel_laddel: stas: dataflow never caught on because you absolutely need dedicated hardware. if you want real efficiency, you can’t even use standard RAM. so it gets dismissed as nuttery, on the rare occasions it comes up.
trinque: asciilifeform: no, but water doesn't ever come out of the socket
trinque: the routing is what I'm not clear on
trinque: who says this guy wants to know some facts and not others
ben_vulpes: the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: the boys have been talking shit about your lispos
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I saw that in the logs earlier. It doesn't really matter - they don't have any other options.
trinque: I'll read that and improve my question
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: 'they' << your customers?
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I was referring to #b-a members actually. I don't have any customers yet, as Masamune is horribly incomplete.
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trinque: given that I'm already using an absurd compromise (stumpwm+emacs) I'd take something which measurably improves what I'm doing there already
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gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: because although you already know of these things, many people do not.
ben_vulpes resents leaving at top of computers + school conversation branch
ben_vulpes: i am interested in things like 'literate programming' in the context of mathematical education, essay writing etc
ben_vulpes: i wonder how long it'll take to duplicate the feat.
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decimation: it's possible some combination of gcc/ulibc version will work
decimation: what is your favorite public key algo?
aseriousgogetta: my current work is on a personal project; setting up foundation. what is teh work in here?
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
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assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 19:46:42; mircea_popescu: it is not the foundation one, which i am going to compile and run once the instructions come out.
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2015 02:16:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes incidentally, were you explicitly setting -irc Find peers using internet relay chat (default: 0) flag ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, upon consideration that should have no effect.
ben_vulpes: ultraconfused, had to remember why i hadn't responded to the ;;later
ben_vulpes is drinking with trinqu, will be playing with blockchains later
decimation: didn't check to see if it was truely static
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decimation: also, nobody gives a fuck about supporting static linking, news at 11
decimation: "why link static when you could just accept my world of shit?"
Chicago: decimation, Sure I'm a crypto fan. :)
Chicago: Albeit more active in Wintertime when my rigs warm the house.
mircea_popescu goes to read the manual for iptables now, to find how you do "open port only for x ip"
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mircea_popescu: fully expecting he will have to install vanrish, uninstall alsa, recompile the kernel and fix glibc.
ben_vulpes: why are these critical sections lexically nested?
ben_vulpes: are they also /programatically/ nested?
mircea_popescu: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp ! -s <permittedIP> -j DROP << is that it ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: because layering another turd atop iptables is surely what you want... I find ufw a nice tool to deal with trivial firewall setups
mircea_popescu: it's been feeding 100s of peers like 1gb since yest or w/e.
trinque: asciilifeform: am I in the ballpark... having the vague notion that c-gates would be used to indicate whether the inputs necessary to perform a computation are available?
trinque: strikes me as "promises" to indicate the braindamaged programming environments I've sued
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they must have if they were moving bytes neh
trinque: seems to be the mechanism by which you call a bunch of asynchronous happenings one "thing", and can therefore act upon those "things" all being available
mircea_popescu: honestly, i don't think that iptables thing actually works.
mircea_popescu: because everyone trying to get in is now stuck on LAST ACK
decimation: iptables, like most of the kernel, is undocumented as fuck
decimation: I kinda get the impression that about 99% of iptables implementations out there are 'cut n paste' from what someone else posted on some website
decimation: just like 99% of 'autoconf' use is cut n' paste
trinque: beatings for everyone that decides to introduce his own grammar to describe some problem space (firewalls one of many examples)
trinque: I know... I'll invent a syntax!
trinque: firewall configuration should be a function you write that the network stack runs on every packet
trinque: pf is marginally better, but that's about it
trinque: the ufw thing at least gives you a semi-sane "ufw allow from 1.2.3.4 to any port 8333"
decimation: proprietary firewalls on cisco, etc aren't any better
trinque: and even ufw runs afoul of the "natural language" == easy
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what, if you don't get to the bottom of it, ima make you an account on the server tomorrow, copy over the blockchain and you can compile your own or w/e.
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mod6: wow, just getting caught up here. have been afk for a while here today...
mod6: <+asciilifeform> now what i can't remember is whether mod6 already had this orchestra working <+asciilifeform> (with glibc+static) << v0.5.3.1-RELEASE basically is not true "static" build because of the gethostbyname() (DNS/libnss) calls in there. but was trying to build static bitcoind with uclibc/gcc on gentoo, was hitting a problem described here before. If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinkin
mod6: If you stripped out all of the DNS stuff and then did a build with gcc/glibc I'm thinking that would get us where we want to be; sounds like you've done that!
mod6: my pos car got a flat today, so I limped it up to the station to get a new tire & walked the ~3 miles back.
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 02:47:49; asciilifeform: (though i'd like to shoot that 'gconv-modules.cache' and 'locale-archive' crud in the head...)
mod6: only to find out that both front springs are broken (lol) and that's what caused the tire to blow out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, ok if i move back to public access for this ?
mod6: so now I've got this company to pay $185 and take it off my hands for scrap. hahah
mod6: you got connected to mp's blockchain milk? or -connect worked for you?
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima keep it locked to your ip till tomorro then
mircea_popescu: if nothing else then because "don't fuck with shit that works"
mod6: oh, forgot to mention. the place wanted $500 to replace the springs. which is what prompted me to `mv posCar /dev/scrap`
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decimation: mod6: mechanics are famous for exploiting folks in what they think are vulnerable situations
mod6: yeah, they were pretty blown away when I just came and told 'em i was gonna scrap it.
trinque lawls at the naked folks biking past him
trinque: there are things to like about this communist land
mod6: it's not processing blocks? or you're getting disconnected?
mod6: hmm. give it 10 minutes to be sure... unless it's taking on those weird errors
mod6: I remember from the block 168`001 issue (tx verification failed) that it would start dumping tons of errors if truly stuck.
mod6: asciilifeform: thanks a lot for your work tonight on the Static Builder. I'm a bit zapped to start getting into that tonight. Is it cool with you if I start testing it out tomorrow morning?
mod6: I can work on that and see where I can get with it; then I have to start working on the SoBA for June.
mod6: thanks for all of your help :]
mod6: get some rest. tomorrow we can keep on.
ben_vulpes: sleep? when all these titties are biking by?
ben_vulpes hauls out lawn chair and bottle of wine
trinque: ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!"
☟︎ trinque: ok portland, you win this round
trinque: this I think has something to do with the political problems throughout time
trinque: maybe I should get more drunk and see if pete_dushenski ends up writing about it
mod6: nice. you think it's being packeted though?
decimation: or there's a dysfunctional router somewhere
mod6: what does tr look like?
mod6: asciilifeform: mine looks exactly the same.
decimation: asciilifeform: seems like 'unthreading bitcoind' would be an admiral goal
decimation: generally, you write a while loop with epoll or whatever
decimation: well, it seems to me that there ought to be a definable spec between "talk to peers" and "maintain database of blocks"
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decimation: well, until the book is printed, studied, underped
trinque: decimation: sounds kinda like what I understand nginx to be
trinque: munches a queue of that-which-must-be-done with 1-n workers
decimation: even the severable bits that bitcoind really needs?
decimation: well, ultimately it's all running machine code
decimation: might need to start at that level I guess.
decimation: no and as I recall there's hand-written asm in openssl
decimation: sure, to keep folks from re-writing gcc
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 03:37:06; decimation: "The existence of LLVM is a terrible setback for our community precisely because it is not copylefted and can be used as the basis for nonfree compilers — so that all contribution to LLVM directly helps proprietary software as much as it helps us.'"
ben_vulpes: erm i thought bitcoind *did* service one at a time, looping over sockets
decimation: sure, he wants to keep people from mkaing a bsd gcc
decimation: I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him
☟︎ decimation: gpl is pretty weak sauce unless you have a barrel of lawyers to help you enforce it
decimation: all I want is a world where I get source when I get software
decimation: but I recognize that rms' stand is probably the only way
decimation: really, he's already lost his war for the reasons you harp on re: bedrock
decimation: yeah, as far as I can tell gpl only really 'sticks' to fsf software directly
decimation: not much use to a license if you don't intend on enforcing it
ben_vulpes: (curse these jackholes who littered the source with printstatements that include function names)
ben_vulpes: is there a sane cpp logging thing that could be used in place of these print statements?
ben_vulpes wonders at actual utility of a patch shaped like this
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mircea_popescu: does ntt europe have a dedicated, identifiable five eyes leecher ?
mircea_popescu: this entire experience painfully reminds me of the famous phoneline click somehow
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 02:04:04; asciilifeform: There is no dynamic section in this file.
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 02:30:30; asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu asks, this turd will be deployed to dulap (s.nsa box)
mircea_popescu: did someoine actually answer "favourite pubkey algo" q with a ... hashing function ?!
mircea_popescu: properly made sausage actually floats. therefore not a fish
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to answer earlier q : i think for thius purpose (running on dulap etc) static glibc is exactly right.
mircea_popescu: also, kernel is a good idea maybe for pogo. not for a proper server. you want people to add it to all their noncritical dedis.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: understand - it's 10x to 100x more expensive to do a 213.130.38.26 on random home cable than it is on servers
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assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 05:28:41; mircea_popescu: understand - it's 10x to 100x more expensive to do a 213.130.38.26 on random home cable than it is on servers
ben_vulpes: pardon my thickness, but what is "this" now?
ben_vulpes: what is the 10x to 100x refer to - not the ip cost at a 'home' terminal?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> "what's your favourite fish ?" "shoe" << haha
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 04:31:39; trinque: ben_vulpes: y'know no sooner do I even consider relocating to the land of capitalism and Portland's like "but dude! an army of titties on bikes!"
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 04:49:18; asciilifeform: and that we're more or less stuck with this until mythical 'sanity fork'
mats returns to the shadows
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 04:59:46; decimation: I find it unlikely that the fsf will outlive him
mircea_popescu: the fsf, and the "foss" concoction, are going to be gone before the usg.
ben_vulpes: maybe someday i'll understand what precisely's going on in serialize.h
ben_vulpes: just strikes me as a bit of black magic that a CDataStream can deserialize itself into a CBlock with just an overloaded right shift operator
ben_vulpes: but how does it know what to serialize the block message into
ben_vulpes: maybe? perhaps i'm speaking poorly of ignorance.
ben_vulpes: is that `CBlock block` a contiguous-ish memory section?
decimation: can you tell me what line you are trying to understand? where the cblock is?
decimation: honestly I usually end up reading C++ reference books and mumbling to myself
decimation: any class that serializes implements this macro
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punkman: mats, lol. he's in netherlands, has money, and can't find better drugs than denatured alcohol?
mats: that occurred to me as well
trinque: "I did it because i like the smell." << bahaha
trinque: I've heard that one re: cocaine too
trinque: I'm sure in this case he means it.
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trinque: I have sometimes been so worried about what huffing isopropyl alcohol did to me that I have even faked symptoms so that I could go to the doctor repeatedly and get all kinds of check-ups. << I gotta wonder if these people aren't just addicted to the notion that they're doing something crazy and bad.
trinque: and love whatever attention that brings too
cazalla: mircea_popescu, ya have not blocked me from qntra.net/wp-admin with iptables have ya?
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cazalla: punkman, we don't need no water let the mother fucker burn..
cazalla: could only get better if they storm his house and arrest him for an ISIS cake
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assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 17:21:41; mircea_popescu: "fata care cere palme" < face that demands slapping
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cazalla: ben_vulpes, ay yo charts don't be earning no s.qntr shares CC: pete_dushenski
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jurov: lol they see isis everywhere
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punkman: jurov, in their defence, it looks like one
jurov: not on second look
cazalla: somewhat similar to that if you dropped a few stars from the ussa flag, you'd still think it was the ussa flag
cazalla: got in eventually, just took 5-10m to log into wp-admin for some reason
mircea_popescu: now, why would it be for ~officials~ is another matter.
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MacCheese: Does slackware spy on what you do on your computer?
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decimation: mixing C preprocessor and C++ templates would only occur to someone who had programed much C spagetti code in his life
decimation: ben_vulpes: to be clear, IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE is a C preprocessor macro that is composed of other C preprocessor macros (READWRITE) that ends up dangling all the serialize/deserialize methods onto classes of his choosing
decimation: the methods themselves being C++ template methods
☟︎ mats: i was also watching the stream
mats: rocket disintegrates mid air
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assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 14:23:29; decimation: the methods themselves being C++ template methods
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assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 05:26:58; mircea_popescu: also, kernel is a good idea maybe for pogo. not for a proper server. you want people to add it to all their noncritical dedis.
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chetty: is it just me or does that machine sound a bit like mp?
kakobrekla: Human: What do you like to talk about?
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ben_vulpes: how could one tell? ordering of blocks?
ben_vulpes: there's no guarantee that you'll produce the same blockchain on disk, though.
ben_vulpes: i would actually be *surprised* if you did produce the same disk bytes via a network cslurping
ben_vulpes: the thing at this point lies spread apart on my vivisection table
ben_vulpes: i've not yet mapped its circulatory system, much less how it excretes
ben_vulpes: i'm not actually entirely certain where the gconv stuff is coming in
ben_vulpes: behavior tracker has my attention at the moment.
ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing.
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: i speak of mircea_popescu's desired behavior.
ben_vulpes: and if thbox serves at a high bandwidth few bastards and blocks that all verify, why not prefer it over others?
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ben_vulpes is still curious about the block-vomiting process, and how bastards make it in
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decimation: the cord is a little annoying but lack of co coming from exhaust is worthwhile
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and it still runs in 'bursts.' << this is a very strange behaviour. what's 193k, like 3-5% ?
mircea_popescu: 'BLM Special Agent" ? what the fuck ? everyone in the us got their power rangers now ?
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform has never been to 'burning man' thing and never really grasped the appeal << pretty much the ONLY remaining spot on the west coast to meet slovenly females that are undemanding.
mircea_popescu: your average adolescent male does not own a shirt. the female he'd be interested in dreams about waiting for "the right saudi prince".
mircea_popescu: them silly kids will not really shoot for burning man, of course, but they'd be REALLY really sad in their corner if it went away.
decimation: I wonder how long it will be until 'BLM special agents' start claiming sovereignty over their lands
mircea_popescu: in other news, i propose a petition to have the "Child Porn" utility removed from linux. why is not MauVe enough ?
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mircea_popescu: " nobody used the code for real " ; "I personally don't care at all how big static binaries are."
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mircea_popescu: "Nobody must use them except for very few exceptions and for those larger code size is ok."
decimation: well, as we have discussed here before, the whole idea of shared libraries is kind of a fucktarded version of 'global namespaces'
mircea_popescu: and i base myself on the fact that they worked pretty well in practice until the new generation of "reformist" idiots got involved, and put 'locale' as a concept in c.
mircea_popescu: before that existed, python worked fine, and static builds were trhe default and so on.
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> linux ecosystem was drepperized so long ago that scarcely anyone remembers. << kinda why everyone is reacting with so much disbelief at the sudden "this is not acceptable". they had been doing it forever, gavin as a marginally retarded peripheral agent of the idiocy got totally blindsided by an armed insurection. that we'd pursue it is i suppose plainly unthinkable, the sort of thing the rmcgraths of th
mircea_popescu: e world were dreaming about in their cells twenty years ago, like my grandfather looking at the sky waiting for "the americans" to show up.
mircea_popescu: this is also why poettering et all so plainly expected it to work etc/
mircea_popescu: it all makes perfect sense, looking at it now. they look like patently insane if considered on the merits, but if considered culturally they are simply "i just work here" and "this is how the world works". about as insane as an ant.
mircea_popescu: and as decimation points out, yes we've agreed an ant's insane.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the thing that boggles my mind is that rms ~must~ have known about the fifth column << you would have expected to read about it on his trilema, yes ? of what is this expectation built, if not out of the existence of trilema, and of the existence of mpoe-pr at my orders, and of the culture this engendered ? rms does not read trilema ; in his ignorance, trilema does not exist and same thing can not be rep
mircea_popescu: roduced for "reasons". and so he is in the unenviable position of one whom we do not doubt that behaves as one that is guilty - ie, must have known, said nothing ever.
mircea_popescu: <chetty> is it just me or does that machine sound a bit like mp? << o.O
mircea_popescu: "The exchange sheds further light on the latest work" << yeah. it sheds the following light : "work" by these wankers consists these days of outputting random strings from pre-made texts and trying to do a cute seleciton thereof.
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 18:04:02; asciilifeform: can reuse the 'checkpoint' code for this
mircea_popescu: have a -checkpoint=111 -checkpointe=113 which takes blocks 111 to 113 hashes them dumps hash.
mircea_popescu: to think that it's not already in there for crying out loud.
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:04; ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing.
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:46; asciilifeform: that will only make sense once the pipe itself is authenticable
mircea_popescu: the entire idea of what we are building here is NODE HIERARCHY.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which is to say, i wish my node to connect only to people on THIS list, and let anyone connect to it.
decimation: asciilifeform: what about connecting something to a running bitcoind, siphoning off blocks as they are 'validated'?
mircea_popescu: then the ability of the wankers to poison the chain becomes nil : sure, whatever nodes listen to them listen to them. the infrastructure does not.
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 18:11:44; asciilifeform: and it is slow because philipinos have to crap out the diddled blocks by hand
decimation: implant probes into bitcoind to suck out its blocks
mircea_popescu: they had to murder the connection to buy themselves another 16 hours, because OMFG THEY'RE DOING WHAT ?!?!? NOW ?!?!
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 18:31:21; decimation: asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower
decimation: well, the other reason I use electric: one less engine to maintain
decimation: no gas to store, no oil to change, etc
mircea_popescu: which means about 20 in a year, which the neighbours helpfully PUT OUTSIDE BY THEIR DUMPSTERS.
mircea_popescu: then went to supermarket and bought feed for the poor yard.
mircea_popescu: then they will wish to know why isis comes and beheads them
decimation: mircea_popescu: generally here the received wisdom is that you want to leave grass clippings on the lawn
mircea_popescu: also rots. also provides nutrients. can be split up over the yard beforer first snow.
decimation: you can add kitchen scraps and wood clippings, make good compost
mircea_popescu: ideally you start it with a good offering of herbivore droppings.
mircea_popescu: and i did add the wood clippings, ie, me cutting off an apple and a pear tree into shape over a coupla years, after having been neglected for 5ish
decimation: I've also heard of going to the nearest swamp and grabbing the muck
mircea_popescu: not very useful, for your thing will not be either that wet or that basic. very acidic
decimation: ^ note that this is how people made fertiziler since the dawn of time
mircea_popescu: just don't put anything coniferous / wallnut in there.
mircea_popescu: "You don't have to boot frmo the CDROM. And if you need a router you have a network and therefore can connect to another machine."
mircea_popescu: imo nsa of 1999 was much better organised than the crap of today.
mircea_popescu: For instance: #include <stdio.h> int main(int argc, char **argv) { printf ("Hello World\n"); } compiles to 985,018 bytes. This is almost all libc overhead.
mircea_popescu: incredible that this "free world" thing has waited patiently, and incredibly quietly, for 25 years for us to show up. i imagine it will be very hurt in its hopes and aspirations when i spit in its mouth.
mircea_popescu: because truly, it was waiting for salvation! resisting through culture!
mircea_popescu: just biding their time, waiting for a good opportunity, honest! wanted to do maximum damage, and as we all know, ~MAXIMUM~ damage is always in the future.
mircea_popescu: what's needed is a fucking ISCS. the intellectual state of computer science.
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punkman: ...and banks closed for a week, maybe.
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punkman: also first jackpot yesterday, burglars got away with some guy's safe containing 700k in cash/jewelry
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chetty: asciilifeform, if my node only connects to your node mempool is safe right
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assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 18:10:04; ben_vulpes: dun think the thing has a formal name yet. but that which is responsible for grading peers while syncing.
assbot: Logged on 28-06-2015 18:31:21; decimation: asciilifeform: I use plug-in electric lawnmower
mats: i dun even have a lawn
cazalla: i wish i could mow the lawn every day
mats: what are we talking about now
ben_vulpes: caz has a shaving fetish, gets razor burn, tries not to cry, cries a lot
mats: pretty tame compared to mp's interests
cazalla: a shaving fetish.. that's a first.. gotta google this one
cazalla: who would've guessed.. manshavingfetish.blogspot.com.au
cazalla: seriously though, i enjoy mowing the lawn, that fresh cut look, the smell, the goodies for my compost
mats: i dunno what i expected when i clicked that
cazalla: mats, just don't drop dead in front of PC with that page open eh
mats: "There are still too many people out there who think (or even insist) that static linking has benefits. This has never been the case and never will be the case." this guy...
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trinque: a yard sale was selling a mac performa for five bucks... so now I own one of those
trinque: maybe fun for old mac games
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trinque: asciilifeform: it does seem as per your write-up, that there was a far more inventive apple once upon a time, which jobs put to a stop in favor of iOS appification
trinque: would this one take that microexplorer card?
trinque: not that I've been able to find one anywhere online
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trinque: lisp machine board for the mac of some sort
trinque: only purpose of this archaelogical dig is my own historical education
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've used a couple. I like the strong lines they put in the grass, but they cut so short
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trinque: ah turns out it had an original hypercard already on there from 1996