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decimation: asciilifeform - I was spec'ing some Intel chips today, and realized that their marketing strategy (for all segments) relies on maximally obfuscating the functionality of their products
mircea_popescu: mike_c in general i find us kids can be more or less trusted to go through the motions / respect the formal parts of the spec
BingoBoingo: So how do we spec "i'll give you even odds on kurdish holocaust vs kurdish independence any time" for BitBet?
ThickAsThieves: yeah, NO-SPEC
mircea_popescu: i'm not putting their name in the spec tho.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe you should spec for a pcb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seriously. spec for thinnest flex-leaf pcb
mircea_popescu: the crucial bit of spec, rendered whole thing useless.
assbot: Army Vet Claims Scam After Ferrari Impounded For Not Being U.S. Spec
kakobrekla: >Recorded Hold-up time. ATX spec recommendation: 17ms
kakobrekla: like half of them didnt live up to atx spec
decimation: right, he explained that he just "goes and buys the latest core i7 and the latest asus motherboard and that's the spec machine for the year"
Mats_cd03: is there a better protocol spec than the one on bitcoin.it
bounce: the own brand stuff is made to spec by smaller shops, though they make (supposedly to different spec) for various chains
kakobrekla: well MarieLynn get them to write spec
gribble: Source Four® EDLT 19˚, 26˚, 36˚, & 50˚ ETC®: <http://www.etcconnect.com/docs/docs_downloads/datashts/7060L1042_S4_EDLT_Spec_Sht_vC.pdf>; Source Four® jr 36° ETC®: <http://www.etcconnect.com/DOCS/DOCS_DOWNLOADS/DATASHTS/7062L1008_SOURCE_FOUR_JR_36_SPEC_SHT_VE.PDF>; Control Escon Page: <http://escon.maxonmotor.com/>
jurov: having ability to check specs automatically will result in unemployed designer, will be easier just to machine evolve something that fits the spec
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What I gather is that SEO spammers can't spec interesting bets
ozbot: Zeroblock Releases FIX API Spec for Bitcoin Trading | Blockchain Blog
ThickAsThieves: can you show that continually mining with units you buy for spec purposes is actually more profitable than selling them once you are done building hardware for them?
bounce: relevant for this channel is the gpg-card thingies. problem with those is that the source isn't available, though a spec is. an open source implementation would be nice, and perhaps cheaper than sourcing the closed-source thing.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: someone needs to fab the silicon, and are you going to get an electron microscope to check that its to-spec?
mircea_popescu: wasn't the fucking spec supposed to be 4gh/w ?
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I can tell you that for others who have purchased services like this from me they have been extremely pleased with the results. But I can't do weeks of work on spec. (without payment.)
robwhiz22: fluffypony, more importantly, it's not like I did the entire project on spec (Google 'on spec' or 'spec work').
robwhiz22: All right. asciilifeform, in my critique I showed what you say makes you 'salivate' - obviously, without charge - as spec work. A proper write-up is incldued for free with a larger proposal.
mircea_popescu: bounce the traditional wisdom used to be that (booklength spec + half line user manual) beats (one page spc + one page user manual), because you do the book once and then the millions of users are saved a million pages.
bounce: so we're how many years on and I haven't looked but am I to understand there's still not much of a protocol spec? looks like the foundation sure set some useful priorities.
asciilifeform: a human compiler is a kind of wretch, usually overseas, who is nominally paid to turn 'human' language spec into a program.
MisterE: BFL could not deliver the product my buddy ordered and instead of refunding sent a lesser spec
nubbins`: i guess i didn't spec it out enough
Neil: Suppose bitbet decided to do fixed odds betting (taking on risk on the house). Is that "within the spec"?
asciilifeform: unless you have read the source (at least, the protocol spec) and understand the limitations
decimation: well, he should stop trying to make gay navies and start by re-writing the bitcoin client with a real spec
dexX7: i didn't know that. did avalon already publish the spec?
mircea_popescu: a lot of their spec is edge cases tho.
asciilifeform: it would remain derp even if the code were written to spec, by a god.
BingoBoingo: I mean scamcoin tricks suggest forcing people to either spec better signals or kill MPOE bot
BingoBoingo: Refund everybody minus fee? "Poorly spec's BitBEt Med getting whipped"
Neil: I guess I can celebrate understanding sthg mircea doesn't / didn't 24 hrs ago. There is no problem with the compilers; whatever they do is good; it's all in the language spec and doing something with no defined semantics.
markov: whats an0 spec?
mircea_popescu: dexX7_ because their accounting was a complete mess, and because they never followed the an0 spec, things that'd be normally deductions have no scriptural basis.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems like a better alternatives to the peppers, Prolly spec any actual offers though to use horse radish rather than ginger for the thick root
Vexual: did you spec the suicide imagery?
ThickAsThieves: i helped with the new website, though it wasn't rendered entirely to spec
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: We played well before the tournament started I believe. It was this thing started on a whim as a four player round robin. truffles nubbins` and myself were in MP's spec I believe and then Namworld was online at the exact right time. Since we need some sort of three way tiebreaker if nubbins` loses to everyone... Fuck it, five way round robin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform somehow in my mental organisation what you propose comes way after a spec
benkay: mp wrote a spec that performs
benkay: wow the spec didn't account for all edge cases
mircea_popescu: benkay the sad part of this of course being that this is actually according to spec i wrote myself.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As far as the tournament you spec'd goes my only credited loss is to namworld.
mike_c: my counterargument was that a formal definition (be it BNF or fpga) of those is less useful than an english spec explaining rationale.
benkay: algebra is entirely acceptable for the spec of both network protocol and blockchain parsing.
mike_c: ah :) i guess i'm saying i wouldn't want algebra or java to be the spec.
BingoBoingo: Hell, even a hairball of K&R C could almost pass muster as a spec
mike_c: But what you end with is the same thing we have "the code is the spec".
benkay: 'cause WHOOO BOY have you read the textual spec?
mike_c: it's the definiton & spec of what goes on in those states that is more needed.
mike_c: it being a state machine is an implementation detail. a definition and spec would make the world better.
benkay: what's more, a state machine approach satisfies the "spec" that mircea_popescu has been going on for lo these many forevers
BingoBoingo: Making a minimal functional client for the purposes of documenting a spec might make a rather ultimate battlegound in the C vs. LISP wars
decimation: true. so many interesting advancements must wait for a well-documented spec
BingoBoingo: decimation: No mircea_popescu Wants a spec.
decimation: You also said in the past that the 'dev team' ought to write a complete api/interface spec
jurov: benkay we tried a bounty "bitcoin spec to be published by summer" but obviously it did not work :D
BingoBoingo: nubbins` was in the tournament spec even though he was the last to begin playing
benkay: never run out-of-spec?
nubbins`: bernankoin, you read the spec and have a lel
asciilifeform: i sorta wonder if anybody bothered to read the original spec
herbijudlestoids: they just spec ODF
ThickAsThieves: so if I understand correctly, Cointerra is finally shipping. the 2nd batch of customers getting units along with the 1st batch. The machines are not to spec, but customers get a 15% coupon to buy more of them, as consolation. Refunds in fiat are allowed.
jurov: unlike bitcon it already has a RFC spec
pankkake: no, html5 basically admits "devs can't write correct html, so we are going to spec how browsers should react to bad stuff"
knotwork: Yeah but a princely mil-spec estate is a nice thing for any bitcoin millionaire to have, its just I am not quite ready to buy it all by myself yet.
knotwork: the whole main building is mil spec radio-shielded
Diablo-D3: oracle refuses to add to the spec their changes
asciilifeform: new transformer at ft. meade, but fuse isn't to spec. blows every day.
pankkake: well, that json feeds would be nice. write a spec and patch software!
Vexual: whats the general od's for cardano, i want to make some gold pcket watch cases and bring them to timis on spec
benkay: it's almost as though willet et al have heard about a thing called a spec and how some people involved with bitcoin think the cryptocurrency might be better off with a spec than new features, chose to 'implement' a 'spec' that's wholly inadequate to the task at hand
benkay: read: it's non trivially parsed from this moronic 'spec'.
Bugpowder: https://github.com/mastercoin-MSC/spec
asciilifeform: still appears to... resist. to spec
ivstr28: seems to be lots of hyperbole, when when there are valid criticisms, the spec gets updated
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well You can spec a Turing complete language on a napkin in the bar. What takes time is building an implementation that runs on something. For most applications now, the various *nix's are going to be the best things available. If you want to write a new future of computing though instead of inventing Urbit someone could have just as well made a *nix that only offered as a Userland GNU Guile. It seems to me the Closest thi
KRS|Gotyawallet: they were but a spec on the timeline i long forgot about that name
mircea_popescu: their spec is uniquely obscure
ozbot: [Update] Spec announced for the Cardano, S.NSA's first product
mircea_popescu: this is one of those situations where the spec may only grow. you're free to add css into the spec, but you are not allowed to "stop supporting" table elements or w/e
asciilifeform: refer to the (admittedly slightly obsolete) spec on mp's site.
nubbins`: spec work is for suckers
Vexual: *spec
KRS|gotyawallet: no actually they spec'd out more expensive shit and i showed them the lucent models that increases wavelength density by using better multiplexors that were cheaper
KRS|gotyawallet: as an engineer i spec'd out a lot of the equipment and direcly showed them how we could increase density for increased capacity and a better financial forecast
dub: don't assume its faulty before reading mobo spec anyway
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves` it was in the original spec
mircea_popescu: under budget and over spec.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Not really. How thoroughly did you try to spec it?
turbo_ac100: Hi, I submitted the "CIPHERTRADE will go live on 02-01-2014 " bet. Rejection reason is " Needs better specs". The spec was: People are able to submit new assets.
mircea_popescu: this actually was rejected by everyone on the grounds that it makes the stuff so easily brickable by even the slightest cosmetic changes in the "spec" (ie, code) that it's not worth it.