benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg
gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 986.2, Best ask: 988.91, Bid-ask spread: 2.71000, Last trade: 986.01, 24 hour volume: 73623.76, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 939.64
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.29504006 = 1.4752 BTC [-] {3}
bVector: any idea why my quiznos bet suggestion was rejected? I wanted to make some quick money with insider information :P
jurov: good i'm no expert
jurov: even my yesterday's option deal was rather jerkass
bVector: it was .25, did it not confirm?
benkay: profit for calls on a lotsize: ((spot - strike) / strike) * lotsize) - buyprice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 254 @ 0.00303002 = 0.7696 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: only if you convert the strike to full btc first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1100 @ 0.00302533 = 3.3279 BTC [-] {6}
jurov: benkay have you seen the cheatsheet above?
benkay: there is some value in working it out from first principles, jurov
jurov: ofc :) just to have something to compare
bVector: mircea_popescu: submitted and funded again (unconfirmed so far)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05 = 1.5 BTC
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah the now feed the borked RNG data through a borked schneier algo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00305668 = 0.2293 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It almost seems like the Bitcoin Dev's "X.509 is perfect for signing payment requests" in spite of all of the times CAs have signed certs purporting to be controlled by one party while actually having been controlled by another party. The biggest difference is the FreeBSD devs might actually not know better.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.3 = 2.4 BTC [+]
benkay: it's marginally better than that
benkay: it has an rpg/depletion aspect
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1DTiiobTw8LTFwCRoVVCg1gYeBfe4tzyHN
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.16 = 0.32 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there does seem to be a disproportionate population of carnies in bitcoin
☟︎ benkay: and how the heck does bitcoin play into either go or chess?
benkay: play versus each other with a stake?
benkay: why does chess work in this scenario and not go?
benkay: parsed "the former" as referring to games of skill
benkay: potentially a third tier too, augmented pros.
dub: you could do an irc/wot/pug4btc type thing
benkay: a chaotic upper zone with good players and good computers but bad process with bad players and good computers and good process, to mangle a thing someone once said.
dub: used to play cstrike pick up games organised by an IRC bot
benkay: could always implement turn time limits
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nubbins`: benkay: even a moderately skilled go player can beat a computer
benkay: nubbins` u so far behind again
benkay: tryna learn me about deterministic gameplay
nubbins`: i mean, it was only within the past 5-10 years that checkers was solved
benkay: "Weak human + machine + better process was superior to a strong computer alone and, more remarkably, superior to a strong human + machine + inferior process."
ozbot: The Chess Master and the Computer by Garry Kasparov | The New York Review of Books
nubbins`: i recall some years ago a guy was pitting an AMD cpu vs an intel cpu in a game of chess
nubbins`: two different chess programs running on each, so 4 combinations of cpu/software
nubbins`: unsurprisingly, it came down to the software and not the cpu.
benkay: asciilifeform: that's wrapping up human skill at game with human skill at computer
BingoBoingo: Though I imagine some people would spend more to get Rybka
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.003 = 0.294 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: play a game in a bit?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00293 = 0.293 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.308 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00293 = 0.293 BTC [-] {4}
Ogedei: whats the chan with only ticker again?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00086684 = 50.7968 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: .1btc per channel i suggest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3019999 = 0.604 BTC [-]
kanzure: [freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #bitcoin-pit (You have joined to too many channels)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 80 @ 0.02088942 = 1.6712 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.01682315 = 1.6823 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: flip a ;;coin, i call heads
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2922 = 0.5844 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.155 = 0.465 BTC [+]
benkay: pretty sure BingoBoingo just actually flipped a coin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.295 = 2.655 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 19 @ 0.155 = 2.945 BTC [+]
nubbins`: if anyone wants to play along, grab a board
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30598665 = 0.918 BTC [+] {2}
dub: kanzure: freenode has a retarderly high chanlimit
Ogedei: havelock just go down?
kanzure: because i actually contribute to these projects?
kanzure: and it's useful to communicate with the people i work with ?
benkay: that's a lot of things across which to split ones attention
kanzure: benkay: i have a high capacity for attention i think
benkay: methinks the lady etc etc
kanzure: maybe our two attentions can merge together
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: sorry, didnt notice your last move
mircea_popescu: btw, any of you gonna play rift ? i'm sort of considering making a guild
benkay: mircea when future lot sizes change we can expect the collateral required for puts to change at the same time riiiiight?
benkay: (lot sizes for options...)
benkay: oh and also mircea_popescu there's some secret padding in the call collateral requirements not mentioned in the faq, correct?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02099999 = 0.189 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: next thing we'll find out they were the flying dicks in SL
benkay: nubbins`: there was something making the rounds about spies spying on spies in SL.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.29088613 = 3.7815 BTC [-] {7}
nubbins`: gov't employees spying on 14yo kids calling each other fags and lobbing grenades
jborkl: Counterstrike, how fucking out of date is that doc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.30943748 = 2.4755 BTC [+] {5}
jborkl: You suck camper, I am going to report you to them in and get you banned faggot
nubbins`: son, uncle sam wants to have a word
dub: no wonder they are after me
jborkl: Pwned.nl ftw for the NSA
dub: you know this is all about some NSA kids justifying getting paid to play games
benkay: i find that the more plausible story.
benkay: their superiors look at the proposal and say "sure. nice distraction."
benkay: then some new poor soul gets hired on to the team, can't figure out why no 'work' is happening and starts writing reports.
benkay: who's the NSA stooge in -assets?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02299999 = 0.184 BTC [+]
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jborkl: Really one of you guys needs to help. He is broke
jborkl: Heh, maybe he could apply to seedcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02299999 = 0.184 BTC [+]
jborkl: I guess the hippies and Amish would like seedcoin, renewable and all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02415426 = 0.1691 BTC [+] {4}
dub: asciilifeform: in the case of the famous one, its pow bootstrapped
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeterminate at this time nubbins` is down a bishop though
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I know. I'm not taking the pawn but imposing check
dub: nubbins` is down with bishops?
nubbins`: actually, that's the game right there
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You can still move g3, but then Bxge++
nubbins`: even without the bishop moving
BingoBoingo: Yeah. That would have left you king some room.
nubbins`: soon as i hit enter, i said whoops
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00292183 = 5.8437 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Nah, nubbins if I would have moved that rook it would have been to challenge the queen by going to a5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 810 @ 0.00291 = 2.3571 BTC [-]
nubbins`: more for the escalation than anything ;(
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I was expecting you to do that eventually. Planned to ignore it unless you could get other pieces to back it up though. If you could have got an unobstructed rook on b1 to back Qxb7 that would have been concerning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6969 @ 0.00087059 = 6.0671 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1531 @ 0.00087087 = 1.3333 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: One benefit of playing on IRC is you can sit or stand facing any side of the board you want
nubbins`: ^ if anyone wants an inkscape chessboard
nubbins`: easier than sorting thru the history
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.31022498 = 3.1022 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 100 @ 0.0077 = 0.77 BTC
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.09665631 = 1.8365 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 51 @ 0.02050019 = 1.0455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.311 = 3.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.155 = 0.465 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.15589999 = 0.3118 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 274258 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1933 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1017248703.44 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.98852
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2881 @ 0.00289298 = 8.3347 BTC [-] {7}
gribble: Current Blocks: 274260 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1931 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 14 hours, 38 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 999416555.98 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.02539
mike_c: 2 slow blocks.. not what we need.
mike_c: when is that cellphone-miner company launching? hopefully in the next 10 days.
mike_c: yeah, couple weeks ago. don't hate me bingoboingo.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02020002 = 0.1414 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29201001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14117 @ 0.00086348 = 12.1897 BTC [-]
ozbot: Next generation 14nm mining grid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 28 @ 0.02465101 = 0.6902 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02199999 = 0.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02199999 = 0.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02199999 = 0.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02208887 = 0.1988 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Error: "bcstata" is not a valid command.
gribble: Current Blocks: 274269 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1922 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 20 hours, 36 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1018349132.03 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.10967
ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 1920 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.4573% in 11d 12h 48m 4s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.30899999 = 0.618 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.309 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00086547 = 1.5146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18529 @ 0.00086695 = 16.0637 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00086695 = 3.7279 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.156 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15799999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05 = 2 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00086695 = 10.0133 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10987 @ 0.00086758 = 9.5321 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: If anyone wants to know how Open Source chess engines stack up against each other in the event that Play Chess for BTC becomes a thing so far it seems Stockfish>fruit>Pychess>Phlanx
BingoBoingo: Depending on how affluent suckers are it may be worth setting up a Windows machine to run Rybka though.
BingoBoingo: I'm finding some exceptions though. Fruit tends to annihilate Stockfish under strict (under 5 minute time constraints) while black. I also imagine the results might differ if I actually allowed any of these engines access to an opening book.
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: I'm just testing and releasing some early findings in case someone would decide to advance such a broken idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00086783 = 0.8678 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Just engines running natively in Linux through PyChess fighting each other.
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Without any opening books feeding them they actually seem to be playing rather crippled in the early going.
KRS|Gotyawallet: i like the idea of modifying open source software to be driven by btc
KRS|Gotyawallet: you know that thing jurov set up - the open terminal i forgot the url
KRS|Gotyawallet: I've always hated having to set up a vm or download a virtual appliance and set it up on my own
KRS|Gotyawallet: There are 1000's of apps that take time to set up to be able to use them..
BingoBoingo: Yeah, the catch is though that a lot of those demanding set up steps exist for reasons.
KRS|Gotyawallet: Usually you have to download a virtual appliance or if the vendor/project has a demo its restricted
KRS|Gotyawallet: im thinking if market price doesnt stabilize at 900's again it'll go 700's if it doesnt stop there i think down further
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: How much were you watching BTC this spring in the period immediately after it broke $80
kanzure: i thought sugarcrm was ran by a company that sells sugarcrm instances
kanzure: are you just banking on "i can integrate btc faster than whoever is running sugarcrm's parent company at the moment can"
kanzure: like, the obvious downside here is that you would have to actually support sugarcrm instances..... yeah.
BingoBoingo: I'm really not worried about how thin BTC orderbooks are contributing to this present volatility because generally the asks side (aka people with BTC) tends to be better at bluffing than the bids are.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15671 @ 0.00086663 = 13.581 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6577 @ 0.00086547 = 5.6922 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 875 @ 0.00086547 = 0.7573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8310 @ 0.00086666 = 7.2019 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.158 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: i'm still learning trading i've been working at it for a year
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: That guess comes from nothing sophisticated.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05 = 0.75 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 0.13900001 = 0.695 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2550 @ 0.00010292 = 0.2624 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00297001 = 0.1188 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3300 @ 0.000103 = 0.3399 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09133333 = 0.274 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC
KRS|Gotyawallet: "If Bitcoin was a country — Bitcoinistan? — it would be like Somalia."
ozbot: Bitcoin Proves The Libertarian Idea Of Paradise Would Be Hell On Earth - Yahoo Finance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 700 @ 0.00296178 = 2.0732 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.319 BTC [+]
gribble: unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 5 hours, 58 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <unbalanced> (wish I'd hit enter a half-second sooner)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00086621 = 11.6505 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58400 @ 0.00086801 = 50.6918 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00086464 = 22.1348 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 390 @ 0.00049999 = 0.195 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 31 @ 0.14303225 = 4.434 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.1393 = 1.393 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 43 @ 0.13289766 = 5.7146 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10325 @ 0.00008114 = 0.8378 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24838 @ 0.0008706 = 21.624 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 32089 @ 0.0000703 = 2.2559 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.12775 = 2.044 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2845 @ 0.00046332 = 1.3181 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00010299 = 0.103 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00087309 = 11.9177 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15999997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2070 @ 0.00087347 = 1.8081 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11848 @ 0.0008714 = 10.3243 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00087493 = 22.092 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00296 = 0.296 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00087244 = 8.8989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00087567 = 11.6464 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.129 = 0.258 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1773 @ 0.0001008 = 0.1787 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 3227 @ 0.00010025 = 0.3235 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.13500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00296 = 0.1687 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12715 @ 0.00087152 = 11.0814 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.303 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.319 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00087517 = 11.771 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 156 @ 0.00295987 = 0.4617 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 344 @ 0.00292286 = 1.0055 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00295 = 0.1475 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4110 @ 0.00087517 = 3.5969 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02349993 = 0.1175 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00007009 = 0.3505 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5917 @ 0.00087624 = 5.1847 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00087656 = 20.0732 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.31787142 = 2.2251 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.0235 = 0.3525 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19234 @ 0.00087297 = 16.7907 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 240 @ 0.05 = 12 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00087477 = 12.2468 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1039124171.64 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00290003 = 2.9 BTC [-] {3}
Sabroshi: still broken, nanotube knows tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.137 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.0008742 = 12.1514 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: When Weinstein was charged with handling the US release of Princess Mononoke, he received a samurai sword in the mail with an attached note that read, "No cuts."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4429 @ 0.00087092 = 3.8573 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 332 @ 0.00287856 = 0.9557 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30200005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.30200001 = 1.51 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 571 @ 0.00289163 = 1.6511 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17204 @ 0.00087208 = 15.0033 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov cunny crew would have been a better name for a radical sewing circle.
jurov: oh, they prefer local spelling
KRS|Gotyawallet: you guys know anything about cex.io cloudhashing shares? i cant see how its profitable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02249999 = 0.2925 BTC [-]
jurov: ppl know what "kundy" and "crew" is. i had to look "cunny" up
mircea_popescu: i think kundy is exactly it tho, neh ? cutest way to say girlbit.
jurov: not sure if cutest... that would be "pička"
jurov: and it's plural, singular is kunda
pankkake: KRS|Gotyawallet: they probably get their success from the referal program
pankkake: if you want any chance of profit, you have to spam
pankkake: I think there's only one level, but it certainly smells like it
pankkake: isn't it the first assumption when you create a btc investment?
pankkake: and yet I'm pretty sure they were cheaper than many that were around when they started
pankkake: at least it limits the scale of the overpricing… ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.30073334 = 1.8044 BTC [-] {3}
KRS|Gotyawallet: yea i guess the only ones that were able to make anything of it are those who invested then reinvested their earnings a few times..back when btc was $200 there might have been a decent roi
pankkake: She not only has delicious tits
pankkake: can't rival her insightful prose
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05 = 0.75 BTC
KRS|Gotyawallet: btw if mpex sells cex shares, i meant their mining offering directly from them 1ghash .07 btc.. i wasn't talking about securities
KRS|Gotyawallet: im looking to diversify a bit and pick up another investment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 54201 @ 0.00010738 = 5.8201 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 18 @ 0.17327776 = 3.119 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.13999999 BTC [+]
ozbot: Icelanders Overthrow Government and Rewrite Constitution After Banking Fraud-No Word From US Media
Kleeck: Added by Rebecca Savastio on December 2, 2013.
Kleeck: I'm in the US, so this is the first I've heard of it. :D
nubbins`: yeah, she's writing about an event that happened last year :D
nubbins`: An “iReport” on CNN, written by a private citizen in May 2012, has questioned the reasons why this revolution has not been widely covered in the U.S.
Kleeck: In the US we would be labeled as terrorists.
Kleeck: Yes. The revolution was post 2008 economic collapse.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11925 @ 0.00087305 = 10.4111 BTC [+] {2}
Kleeck: I understand that the event is old. The article is about more than just the overthrow.
nubbins`: ;;echo SO OLD LELELEL WHAT ARE YOU DOING :D
gribble: SO OLD LELELEL WHAT ARE YOU DOING :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00087598 = 13.3587 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 2994 @ 0.000115 = 0.3443 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4622 @ 0.00088003 = 4.0675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1166 @ 0.00011 = 0.1283 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00087549 = 1.4883 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.29249949 = 5.85 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.29209 = 2.3367 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.141 BTC [+]
ozbot: This finance expert thinks Bitcoin will fall 99 percent by June
Duffer1: even i could be able to afford to buy back in if that happens, that would be amazing
pankkake: he probably hasn't the balls to bet on that though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00293604 = 0.5872 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 61 @ 0.02434538 = 1.4851 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.143 = 0.715 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: TLDR: Bitcoin will die cuz it has the most support of any crypto and cuz it's volatile and crashed this week. Btw, where can I buy bitcoins again?
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin will die because it upsets the world i'm familiar with"
mircea_popescu: "the government will prevent bitcoin from upsetting the world i'm familiar with"
mircea_popescu: "people who better adapt to things that upset the world i'm familiar with never get better pay, more attention and a nicer life than me"
mircea_popescu: basically bitcoin is the anti-religion : it exposes the implicit bible of everyone else.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00087549 = 17.2034 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.292061 = 0.5841 BTC [-]
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00087758 = 7.24 BTC [+]
ozbot: Bitcoin will die pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16425 @ 0.00087445 = 14.3628 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8075 @ 0.00087356 = 7.054 BTC [-]
mpexbot: deadweasel: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.0008759 = 4.2481 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so romanian health ministry would not spring for a hospital in this small northern town. consequently, they changed the town name plaques on all the roads
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29206066 = 0.8762 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: welcome to coas! drive carefully : we have six graveyards and not a single hospital
sbp: when we have to update signs in the UK, the councils complain that they cost too many hundreds of thousands of pounds to change. for the cost of changing those signs, maybe Coaș could have afforded a new hospital...
sbp: these days you can 3d print a hospital for 3k
sbp: how's Cardano coming along, mircea_popescu? looking forward to it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05166332 = 0.31 BTC [+] {3}
sbp: I was reading asciilifeform's notes about RNG on Trilema earlier
sbp: give it a cognitive nudge of interest from me though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00284155 = 0.1591 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is actually waking up at night because of the thing.
sbp: heh! awesome. well, awesome inasmuch as it doesn't distract him from Loper... :-)
sbp: well hopefully he doesn't end up like Gödel
deadweasel: pay a local homeless man to keep an eye on him.
sbp: not as far as I remember. logician who died of starvation because he believed he was being poisoned. (not very logical)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00255201 = 0.2144 BTC [-]
deadweasel: well, he kept one of them in a box, so it's debatable.
sbp: haha, Schrödinger seriously had a cat named Milton? great
sbp: you know, Heisenberg had twins. well, his wife did
sbp: after she gave birth, Pauli congratulated Heisenberg on pair production
sbp: should have asked him which was his favourite. he never could decide...
ozbot: Women report man openly performing sex act; he claims it was jock itch, cops say | lehighvall
deadweasel: lol, my junk was itchy, now I'm in jail.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.1445 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 50 @ 0.00205 = 0.1025 BTC [-]
Kleeck: (Sidebar needs futher modification.)
sbp: keep a wallet in your browser
sbp: nothing can go wrong
Kleeck: Yeah. It took him 2 minutes. :) Still fits though, right. Mailing money?
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
Kleeck: Again, courtesy Crunchyarms.
ozbot: Toddler helps county decide order of candidates on primary ballot | Metro-east news | News Democrat
dexX7: lol goat makes news on reddit.. "someone on 4chan bought a lambo with 216 btc"
Kleeck: This is the dumbest video ever.
gribble: Current Blocks: 274372 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1819 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 3 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1034198923.97 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.85457
nubbins`: i'm always pleasantly surprised by the price of things in btc
nubbins`: like, i just realized a 3d printer is < 2 btc
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1036361795.11 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
pankkake: I want to believe that last 3 days thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]
sbp: nubbins`: start thinking of prices in mBTC. then you can say almost exactly the same thing in a year or so
sbp: somebody needs to work on a media friendly name for µBTC
sbp: we'll never need nBTC, unless they split the Satoshi
sbp: media friendly, not 4chan friendly
FabianB: why not skip all the steps inbetween and go with satoshi
nubbins`: why don't we just cobble together a series of retarded nonsensical names for all the different decimal places and use that?
nubbins`: 100 glaps to the quighorc, etc
sbp: please call one the quatloo...
sbp: quick, mine a block with "10k = quatloo!!!" in it
nubbins`: you'll need to reverse the terms or add another = ;)
sbp: blockchain notes should be called Sassamen
nubbins`: anyway, i'd want some way to make money off a 3d printer before i could justify buying one
FabianB: chinese (and i think japanese too) has words and characters for 10^4 and 10^8, none for 10^6 though, so much better for satoshi/btc
nubbins`: otherwise it's just another thing i don't have space for
FabianB: in pinyin 10^4 is 'wan' and 10^8 'yi'
nubbins`: korean has 10^2, 3, 4, 8, 12, and every +4 thereafter
dexX7: <mircea_popescu> tbh, this mili and micro stuff is nonsense. << well, it's easy to remember.. 1 millibit is approx 1 $
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0008759 = 4.0291 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00255201 = 0.37 BTC [-] {4}
dexX7: i like when you are bullish (if you are)
nubbins`: 10^4 units of korean won is about $10, so it's good they'd have a reasonably short name for it
ozbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: i don't think you're using the term "base" the way other people use it
FabianB: an mpex account is 30亿satoshi :)
mircea_popescu: so 亿 is wan, which is the w part, the misshapen 1 or the insecure 2 ?
nubbins`: i agree on the half-length tho, i've been mentally digesting satoshi-denominated amounts this way to make sense of them for a while now
nubbins`: chinese characters make no sense to me
FabianB: mircea_popescu: no, 亿 is 'yi' (10^8)
nubbins`: korean is very logical, each block is a syllable composed of up to 3 sounds
sbp: nubbins`: I tried learning Hangul once. I had problems doing the aspirated p, for some reason. I kept practicing it, but whatever I did, I could not make that damn aspirated p sound. it was driving me insane, so I looked into it carefully
sbp: eventually I realised that *all* of my p's are aspirated!
sbp: of course, then I had problems making a non-aspirated p...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 99 @ 0.00209 = 0.2069 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30493107 BTC [+]
nubbins`: how many times would i have to repeat my address to the taxi driver 10 times
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0008759 = 2.9781 BTC [+]
nubbins`: completely indistinguishable from what i was saying
nubbins`: the double consonants are odd too
sbp: need to exercise your faucal cords, heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 201 @ 0.002103 = 0.4227 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out man, slave coin. it's happening.
ozbot: [ANN] CPcoin, the first Child Friendly Coin
dexX7: is "Child Pageant" a friendly phrase for child porn?
mircea_popescu: in the sense mineral water is a friendly phrase for vodka
mircea_popescu: i think child pageants is what soccer moms do after the thrill of control soccer provides is no longer enough
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC {3}
pankkake: child pageants attendance 50% soccer mons 50% paedos
dexX7: i think the altcoin winner of the month is dogecoin
ozbot: Official DOGECOIN T-Shirt from Zazzle.com
dexX7: haha yea, that's it
dexX7: most active altcoin thread for some days now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 248 @ 0.00246126 = 0.6104 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.00275 = 0.275 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.0029436 = 0.103 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00088012 = 6.4249 BTC [+] {2}
sbp: mircea_popescu: Knuth cheats at email, by the way
sbp: he sent an hilarious email to a team that a friend of mine was involved in, in about 2005 or so
sbp: but he got his secretary to send it... :-)
sbp: I love that they deleted all the old pope's tweets
sbp: bet they didn't do that in the Vatican Library too. set fire to all of Benedict's papers
pigeons: well the idea of a secretary is that he/sh checks your mail so you can work
kanzure: sbp: would be nice if the pope starts using btc. then church finances become slightly more auditable.
mircea_popescu: Look folks, I know that software rot (sometimes called "progress")
mircea_popescu: keeps growing, and backwards compatibility is not always possible.
kanzure: that's just a clever way of saying "you do it"
mircea_popescu: he mirrors quite exacrtly why i quit caring about html validation and "validity" in general, circa 2007
mircea_popescu: blessfully ignorant of the guy's pov. but fuck you html standards people.
mircea_popescu: this is one of those situations where the spec may only grow. you're free to add css into the spec, but you are not allowed to "stop supporting" table elements or w/e
ozbot: We Have Chosen Shame and Will Get War.
mircea_popescu: Make a graph with time on the x-axis and formatting capabilities on the y-axis. Draw a line from the HTML level 1 to HTML level 3. You'll see that HTML reaches LaTeX's level of formatting capability around the year 2000.
mircea_popescu: If we are going to get there eventually, we might as well get there soon.
gribble: Current Blocks: 274385 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1806 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 3 hours, 33 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1051660720.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.77693
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
ozbot: pankkake / asslyrics
nubbins`: looks beautiful once you're done ;D
benkay: unfortunately most designers can only gui and so we have pdf. huzzah.
mircea_popescu: pankkake this ain't a penis contest, it doesn't have to be long, it has to be thick
pankkake: well this one is pretty much an egotrip, and you should be an endless source of that
dexX7: there was a small discussion about korean ips monitors with ThickAsThieves and kakobrekla some weeks ago.. i ended up buying two dell u2412m and had a 27" here earlier, but it was too big. but i have to say: ips displays are nice
sbp: kanzure: Snoop Dogg is into BTC, don't see why Francis I shouldn't be next
pankkake: I wouldn't go back to anything non IPS
pankkake: pretty much requirement number one for a place of work
mircea_popescu: ;;google "it will be long; it will be hard; and there shall be no withdrawal."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20512 @ 0.00088319 = 18.116 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only google hit on the actual quoted string comes from files.meetup.com/8900962/Review%20Chap.%203-4%20Gurl-Posse.doc
pankkake: google book search can often give you strange results
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a gurl is a waitress past her 30th bday.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00087902 = 18.855 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: rarely, a younger girl that will be a waitress past 30.
TomServo: dexX7: was anything larger recommended?
dexX7: there are super cheap (but worth) 27" ips displays from korea on ebay
dexX7: but it's too big imho
TomServo: I've looked at those, but have always been hesitant
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: gurl
nubbins`: doge is maybe the best meme yet
nubbins`: just a japanese dog with a lelly face usually accompanied by engrish nonsense in neon comic sans ms
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also amusingly, gherla is romania's largest, most infamous prison and also an informal way to say "prison" in general.
sbp: mircea_popescu: Lindsay Lohan, by the looks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087523 = 12.6033 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: nod, that's what caused me to bring it up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was gonna do that lol. much better. such meme now.
nubbins`: i should probably start putting a full return address on these packages, too
ozbot: Main/Black Best Friend - Television Tropes & Idioms
nubbins`: altho to be fair you only need those 8 characters
kakobrekla: well, without the external adapters anyway
dexX7: five should be enough, i guess?
mircea_popescu: since we're doing spam, Hi My name is Anastasia. I am from Russia. It may surprise you, enjoy
kakobrekla: it says so right on the .. .eh.. nevermind
nubbins`: asciilifeform: so, an industrial sausage stuffer.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: best spam subject i've ever received is "Turn your peanut into a banana"
pankkake: spammers are extremely creative in avoiding the word penis now, it's amazing
mircea_popescu: actually, i would wager a guess that the disk space of btc blockchain > disk space of all other altcoins combined
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5998 @ 0.00087892 = 5.2718 BTC [+]
ozbot: 3D printer by Sask. man gets record crowdsourced cash - Saskatchewan - CBC News
mircea_popescu: before, not likely. these people are not inovators, after all.
ozbot: Animaniacs Variety Speak 2 - YouTube
pankkake: if you exclude namecoin, and the datacoin aberration, probably
pankkake: oh well, namecoin is only 1.5G :o
nubbins`: these resins seem to remain flexible once cured
nubbins`: but yeah, consumables cost is probably through the roof
pankkake: it's still a thing, allows big things to be stored at once. still at this time it's probably nothing
nubbins`: interesting that it uses audio to transmit the information
nubbins`: asciilifeform: it's the ultimate novelty.
pankkake: for people who don't know how to build things
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1047921554.97 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
nubbins`: asciilifeform: for most of the public, it's a solution in search of a problem
nubbins`: but if you've got a need for rapid prototyping, these things are worth their weight in gold
pankkake: well I'm sure it would make buying some products obsolete
nubbins`: i don't doubt that most of the 3d printers in people's homes were used to make a couple sets of chess pieces and now sit idle
pankkake: is it safe for sex toys? I fear it isn't, but that would be a great use
nubbins`: generally sex toys aren't made from hard plastic
nubbins`: replacement battery covers for sex toys, sure
nubbins`: stomb boxes for guitar fx pedals
nubbins`: yeah, 3d printed sex toy would actually be a bacteria factory
benkay: if you pour metals 3d printers are the bomb for casting
pankkake: it's a great solution for replacement parts in general yeah
nubbins`: i've seen lots of tools made with 3d printers
benkay: your metals just burn the plastic out of the casting
nubbins`: hemostats, pliers, tweezers, screwdriver grips, etc
benkay: obviously takes some tweaking, but totally feasible.
benkay: and the impossible-to-machine rib-holding-together-hardware, nubbins`
benkay: but man the ludicrous shit those poor companies struggling under the fda have to deal with
benkay: asciilifeform: yes, that is a casting process.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: i think benkay is thinking similar to a lost wax process
nubbins`: sadly, not enough time to learn it all
benkay: i start over on a new domain every four years, i think.
benkay: just enough time to become baseline competent but not anywhere near good.
nubbins`: well there's short-term things and long-term things
nubbins`: coffee roasting was a short-term
nubbins`: you can generally tell by how much space you're willing to let something take up in your house
benkay: preach about the plastic gun, asciilifeform
nubbins`: asciilifeform: not a fucking chance would i put gunpowder inside anything i printed myself
benkay: the gutters are full of humans eager to test the 20 dollar disposable firearm.
mircea_popescu: the problems only begin there. firearms are mostly an obsolete technology.
mircea_popescu: you can get armor good enough to render any handheld firearm useless.
nubbins`: but does it fit over your face?
mircea_popescu: notice that the serious bank robbers etc use very heavy assault weapons
benkay: can you armor the entire ghetto block squad?
nubbins`: ah, i always figured the assault weapons were more for show
nubbins`: "these guys must be REALLY serious!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see North Hollywood shootout etc. not that tricky.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.145 = 0.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10921 @ 0.00088531 = 9.6685 BTC [+]
ozbot: North Hollywood Shootout - YouTube
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reference was aramid. it withstood > 1k rounds from .38 and 9mm, as well as single action pump shotguns
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02350002 = 0.235 BTC [+] {2}
truffles: "patrol officers at the time were typically armed with a 9mm or .40 caliber pistol on their person, with a 12-gauge shotgun available in their cars. Phillips and Matasareanu carried fully automatic rifles and wore body armor. Since most handgun calibers cannot penetrate body armor, patrol officers had a significant disadvantage until SWAT arrived with equivalent firepower; they also
truffles: appropriated several semi-automatic rifles from a nearby firearms dealer to help even the odds. "
mircea_popescu: yes well, the story is this : two robbers with body armor did more damage to the city policeman pension and health insurance funds than would have been the case if they just let them keep the stolen money.
truffles: seems like its solved all round
mircea_popescu: even if you maange to print a gun, you will print a useless gun.
mircea_popescu: you need something very powerful to be able to do anything with it.
benkay: that's not the use case though. the use case is shitty guns for poor people in the decaying soviet states of america
mircea_popescu: benkay amusingly, amlar is easier to print than a gun.
mircea_popescu: benkay aromatic polyamide. like kevlar, but with aroma.
the20year: Pretty easy to make a firearm out of supplies from tesco
the20year: asciilifeform: most current plates use ceramic which disperses the kenetic energy over a wide area, avoiding blunt tramua. Small arms fire has an amazingly low amount of kenetic energy compared to common measurements
the20year: asciilifeform: depends on which kind of kevlar vest you're talking about
mircea_popescu: bulletproof transparent rigid plastic was available before flexible stuff was.
mircea_popescu: the20year in fact, the kinetic energy of the bullet is roughly equal to the kinetic energy of the recoil.
mircea_popescu: consequently, there's a limit to how heavy a round can be fired from the hand
mircea_popescu: and the thing is, armor has surpassed this minimum. handheld firearms are not particularly useful these days
mircea_popescu: (which is the REAL reason for the move towards tasers, not the feigned desire to avoid casualties)
benkay: all this fighting talk is causing thoughts of chumpatrons based on armor and weapons
mircea_popescu: people regularly take kj's to the head in most sports.
deadweasel: i think we should test these theories. somebody get me some armor, I'll youtube the experiments per your instructions. Only have 9mm and .40 for testing
deadweasel: watching body armor video tests can be mesmerizing
the20year: You could do what the military and FBI does....
the20year: But who cares about pre-existing data? Everyone has to discover for themselves ,right?
mircea_popescu: <the20year> But who cares about pre-existing data? Everyone has to discover for themselves ,right? <<< qft.
the20year: No, he was shot close range with a little pistol
deadweasel: i'm puncy as hell today, somebody shoot me already
the20year: Some armor makers do put their armor on and get shot, i wouldn't due it due to spall, but some believe that much in their product
the20year: It's usually a endless cycle of bigger armor being beaten by a bigger gun , IE ww2 f or instance
mircea_popescu: "while Mătăsăreanu's chest armor even successfully withstood a hit from a SWAT operator's AR-15"
the20year: Most rifles won't make it through AR500 steel plate
the20year: It's stupidly easy to make body armor that will withstand most conventional rifle ammo, granted it's quite heavy
the20year: Why the heck would anyone want reactive armor on their body? The concussion would kill you when it activated
the20year: Well, most wear ceramic armor that's stronger than AR500, so many do
the20year: I know my brother in law did, when he was in iraq
the20year: The average soldier carries about 100lbs of gear into battle, so 20lb of armor isn't a big deal. thus why the US military is testing powered armor
the20year: And still want boots on the ground, so....
mircea_popescu: From the foundation of the city till the reign of the Emperor Gratian, the foot wore cuirasses and helmets. But negligence and sloth having by degrees introduced a total relaxation of discipline, the soldiers began to think their armor too heavy, as they seldom put it on. They first requested leave from the Emperor to lay aside the cuirass and afterwards the helmet. In consequence of this, our troops in their engagemen
mircea_popescu: ts with the Goths were often overwhelmed with their showers of arrows. Nor was the necessity of obliging the infantry to resume their cuirasses and helmets discovered, notwithstanding such repeated defeats, which brought on the destruction of so many great cities. Troops, defenseless and exposed to all the weapons of the enemy, are more disposed to fly than fight. What can be expected from a foot-archer without cuirass
mircea_popescu: or helmet, who cannot hold at once his bow and shield; or from the ensigns whose bodies are naked, and who cannot at the same time carry a shield and the colors? The foot soldier finds the weight of a cuirass and even of a helmet intolerable. This is because he is so seldom exercised and rarely puts them on.
mircea_popescu: reality may be a complicated place, but the tactical utility of printed guns is still purely imaginary.
mircea_popescu: even if you get them to shoot safely, you're far far away from them shooting energetically enough to count
the20year: The real use for 3d printed guns (in the US at least) is to make ones that utilize the homebuilding law so they're not on paperwork
mircea_popescu: it's much easier to make a crossvbow than to print one
benkay: i am more convinced than i was an hour ago on the printable guns thing
the20year: tabletop CnC is cheap and you can make just about any firearm you want with one
mircea_popescu: i could make you one within the hour, and teach you to make one in a day
the20year: and lathes and milling machines have existed for 100 years
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ya well those people also have nil tactical utility-value.
the20year: Think about it , the first belt fed machine gun was made in the late 1800s, do you think that the technology to make it has magically disappeared?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4927 @ 0.00296834 = 14.625 BTC [+] {13}
mircea_popescu: you can mix your own powder and make your own bullets just fine
the20year: Brass casings are reusable, gunpowder can be made cheaply/effectiely from easy to procure chemcicals , the bullet is the easiest part itself to mak
mircea_popescu: the20year he has a point tho, in the sense of brass casingsd are reusable for a finite number of shots.
the20year: Plus i'm not aware of any country that has made brass cases illegal
the20year: Casings can last over 50 times if you download the ammo, which you will be doing anyway with homemade powder
the20year: Primers are easy to make, the chemical composition is 150 years old
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 540 @ 0.003 = 1.62 BTC [+] {2}
the20year: Well, if you want infinite, then just make your own cases
the20year: Why? conventional powder and primer compound is cheap and effective
the20year: If by industry you mean a guy with a set of presses and punches, sure
the20year: But remember, during WW2 most ammo in the USSR was being made by giving children the tools to do it
the20year: asciilifeform: $50 will get you enough priming compound to load 10,000 rounds of ammunition
mircea_popescu: ha, since i was going through old tomes, look what a gem i found :
mircea_popescu: "Although these men differ in customs and language from those with whom they have taken refuge, and are unaccustomed too, if I may say so, to the nauseous odor of the bodies and clothing of the barbarians, yet they prefer the strange life they find there to the injustice rife among the Romans."
mircea_popescu: " So you find men passing over everywhere, now to the Goths, now to the Bagaudae, or whatever other barbarians have established their power anywhere ... We call those men rebels and utterly abandoned, whom we ourselves have forced into crime. For by what other causes were they made Bagaudae save by our unjust acts, the wicked decisions of the magistrates, the proscription and extortion of those who have turned the publ
mircea_popescu: ic exactions to the increase of their private fortunes and made the tax indictions their opportunity for plunder?"
the20year: If this is all theoretical then, just stock up on ammo if you live in the US , or reloading components
the20year: Easy to buy ammo and stock up in the US
the20year: There's absolutely no reason in worrying about all this theoretical stuff, just buy cheap and stack deep if you live here
the20year: Then your answer is - Submachine guns
the20year: If you want to go the firearms route
the20year: Ammo isn't too bad if you want to set up the process ,or just make a muzzleloader
the20year: The Sten and PPS-43 were both primarily made by children during ww2, and they are still being used around the world today
the20year: Both at a cost of just a few dollar (equivilent) at the time
the20year: Technically, if you can find a open-bolt gun that was made prior to 1980 it's still legal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.02419965 = 0.726 BTC [+] {3}
the20year: It's easy to find and date them based on serial numbers, sales price is quite high though, around $2,000 for a tec-9 or 22 that sold for say $150 prior to 1980
the20year: Same with guns manufactured prior to 1898 that aren't considered firearms anymore
the20year: Even though they might take modern cartridges
ozbot: Antique gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the20year: I have a 1895 mauser that's an antique....is an absolutely awesome rifle
the20year: Anything prior to 1899 is legal , granted some states have other rules. Sadly the maxim and potato digger aren't covered
ozbot: M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
truffles: imagine if they had those back in the day
the20year: They were used from the late 1800s through ww2
the20year: Well, in the 1700s you had the giardoni air rifle which was a rapid fire gun
the20year: Granted if you want to see what happens when you use line warfar against machine guns, just take a look at ww1
the20year: would have been no different than 1800s, 1700s, 1600s - massed infantry in static lines trying to take positions held by machine guns
the20year: Sure, but if you're curious what happens, there's plenty of information out there on when it does ocurr
the20year: Or italian cavalry in ww2 attacking soviet positions, a bayonette charge in iraq in 2004, the last usage of a sword in combat in vietnam , ect
the20year: Rourkes drift comes pretty close to that
mircea_popescu: a trained man with a sword is a better asset in close quarters than dudes with guns
the20year: Thus why police have the 21ft rule
mircea_popescu: so it's not really practical, from a strategic perspective. nevertheless...
ozbot: Jack Churchill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the20year: I don't know , when i talked to a guy in 2003-4 about his time in Iraq, he seemed to indicate his unit trained with them. I do believe the marines still train
the20year: Eh, i'd bet money there are plenty that still could use them effectively
mircea_popescu: an army however is about the weakest not the strongest link
mircea_popescu: (which is why the us army has been evolving towards smaller and smaller units as the quality of recruits sunk)
the20year: Yeah, that's been the US tradition for a while though
the20year: except in vietnam with the US army
mircea_popescu: so in the most recent rng tests for the cardano we now see Entropy = 7.999926 bits per byte.
mircea_popescu: Monte Carlo value for Pi is 3.141602161 ; Serial correlation coefficient is 0.000435
mircea_popescu: i daresay this is the best 2,5mb random sample i ever did see
nubbins`: are the final dimensions known?
mircea_popescu: for the benefit of "i can write a website too!" crowd : this is the result of removing about 14 different bias sources
nubbins`: ah, smaller than a business card
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 38 @ 0.02269999 = 0.8626 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: those are less than a buck each in quantity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 625 @ 0.00290035 = 1.8127 BTC [-] {7}
truffles: alrighty mate, just sips of tea
Vexual: foundation says no more 9.9k free tx
Vexual: yes, perhaps 10k wont print to a4 at the requisite font size
ozbot: Bitcoined « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12788 @ 0.00089389 = 11.4311 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.14699999 = 0.441 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC
ozbot: Famous last words « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic.
ozbot: Clean job « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic.
Vexual: standardize, protect, and promote
Vexual: different departments?
Vexual: Although Bitcoin is not anonymous by default, Bitcoin addresses were not a factor in solving the case. <from the protect dept
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30475792 = 0.9143 BTC [-]
Vexual: While official federal policy as developed in the agencies ... ...
Vexual: not rely on cable television for its information
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00089302 = 4.1079 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09003333 = 0.2701 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2920602 BTC [-]
kanzure: since second market already bought 68,000 btc, why does everyone keep thinking they will see activity on mtgox etc?
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
truffles: Diablo-D3 ive been looking at this domestic man paleo site
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ozbot: Shirred Eggs with Sausage and Spinach | The Domestic Man
truffles: im thinking of what to use instead of those
Vexual: my quiche has too much crust :(
truffles: did u know that watermelon rinds could be pickled!
jurov: SPAM is not Paleo lol
sbp: yeah, everybody knows SPAM is Viking
truffles: im just looking at easy to make stuff that isnt too fatty, not really into paleo
truffles: gotta prepare for the xmas gain
pankkake: paleo is all about loving the good fat :)