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benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg
gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 986.2, Best ask: 988.91, Bid-ask spread: 2.71000, Last trade: 986.01, 24 hour volume: 73623.76, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 939.64
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.29504006 = 1.4752 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: dude bitcoin back to 1k ?
mircea_popescu: and all the experts that knew better!
bVector: any idea why my quiznos bet suggestion was rejected? I wanted to make some quick money with insider information :P
jurov: good i'm no expert
jurov: even my yesterday's option deal was rather jerkass
mircea_popescu: bVector was it a .25 zeroconf ?
bVector: it was .25, did it not confirm?
benkay: profit for calls on a lotsize: ((spot - strike) / strike) * lotsize) - buyprice
benkay: y/n?
jurov: n
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 254 @ 0.00303002 = 0.7696 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: damn.
jurov: only if you convert the strike to full btc first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1100 @ 0.00302533 = 3.3279 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: bVector it was a mistake, submit again please.
jurov: benkay have you seen the cheatsheet above?
benkay: there is some value in working it out from first principles, jurov
jurov: ofc :) just to have something to compare
BingoBoingo: And FreeBSD makes the sane decision to tell Intel and Via's hardware RNGs to STFU http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/
bVector: mircea_popescu: submitted and funded again (unconfirmed so far)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that one was a double whammy of sorts
asciilifeform: notice what they did instead.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05 = 1.5 BTC
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah the now feed the borked RNG data through a borked schneier algo
asciilifeform: good, i don't need to draw a picture.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'good cop / bad cop.' old as time.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00305668 = 0.2293 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It almost seems like the Bitcoin Dev's "X.509 is perfect for signing payment requests" in spite of all of the times CAs have signed certs purporting to be controlled by one party while actually having been controlled by another party. The biggest difference is the FreeBSD devs might actually not know better.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.3 = 2.4 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the motivations of people who try to bring PKI to bitcoin are no secret.
asciilifeform: i can't help but imagine some fellow at Meta-NSA, with a pill against ECDSA hidden under a flower pot in his office, laughing his arse off at these morons. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (Meta-NSA is the Shangri-La where they keep the real cryptographers.)
mircea_popescu: http://satoshirat.com/
ozbot: SatoshiRat
asciilifeform: yet another 'crack our RNG plz' contest?
asciilifeform: aren't there quite enough of those?
benkay: it's marginally better than that
benkay: it has an rpg/depletion aspect
mircea_popescu: and no house edge supposedly.
mircea_popescu: no way for you to verify that it doesnt seem like
asciilifeform: https://blockchain.info/address/1DTiiobTw8LTFwCRoVVCg1gYeBfe4tzyHN
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1DTiiobTw8LTFwCRoVVCg1gYeBfe4tzyHN
asciilifeform: not bad
asciilifeform: when do we get 'SatoshiRoach'
asciilifeform: and why only augmentations. let the chumps buy ratpoison for a selected enemy rat.
asciilifeform: there is no mystery where the house edge is.
asciilifeform: since the author set the rules, he knows exactly how to optimize a rat.
asciilifeform: so he can collect the edge while appearing to be merely one of the players.
asciilifeform: if someone wises up, the rules will change.
asciilifeform: basic 'chumpatron.'
asciilifeform: straight from the analogue meatspace world.
asciilifeform: of the 'faux game of skill' species.
asciilifeform: modern people, who've never heard of carnival games, fall for the most basic shams imaginable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.16 = 0.32 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there does seem to be a disproportionate population of carnies in bitcoin ☟︎
dub: you'd know
asciilifeform: from both sides of the stand.
asciilifeform: someone could probably squeeze out a meager living from cracking these chumpatrons.
asciilifeform: curiously absent are: actual games of skill. where is SatoshiChess or SatoshiGo?
mike_c: AI challenges..
benkay: with betting
asciilifeform: well, the former.
benkay: why not SatoshiGo?
benkay: and how the heck does bitcoin play into either go or chess?
asciilifeform: because a serious player can beat the state-of-the-art machine there.
asciilifeform: benkay: easily enough. let people play for btc, collect fixed commission.
benkay: play versus each other with a stake?
asciilifeform: right. just like on park benches.
benkay: why does chess work in this scenario and not go?
asciilifeform: go works. chess devolves to AI contest.
benkay: gotcha
asciilifeform: in case that wasn't clear.
benkay: i r idiots
asciilifeform: go would produce a dual-tiered situation, with a population of idiots running machines against each other, and pros who clean them out at their leisure.
benkay: parsed "the former" as referring to games of skill
benkay: and chess
benkay: potentially a third tier too, augmented pros.
asciilifeform: right.
dub: you could do an irc/wot/pug4btc type thing
benkay: a chaotic upper zone with good players and good computers but bad process with bad players and good computers and good process, to mangle a thing someone once said.
dub: used to play cstrike pick up games organised by an IRC bot
asciilifeform: no point in 'policing' the arena for AI, i've met people who play rather like machines.
asciilifeform: let the race 'be to the swiftest.'
benkay: could always implement turn time limits
asciilifeform: alternatively, one could set up a contest explicitly for machines.
asciilifeform: see 'CoreWars.'
dub: http://pugbot.com/ should be trivial to plug btc into that
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nubbins`: benkay: even a moderately skilled go player can beat a computer
nubbins`: not even a pro
nubbins`: it's too complex
benkay: nubbins` u so far behind again
benkay: tryna learn me about deterministic gameplay
asciilifeform: nubbins`: correct. there's been some brouhaha about go ai, but it pertains mainly to games on undersized boards.
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: i mean, it was only within the past 5-10 years that checkers was solved
asciilifeform: (monte-carlo style searches, or even classical - e.g. A* work quite well on 9x9 board.)
benkay: "Weak human + machine + better process was superior to a strong computer alone and, more remarkably, superior to a strong human + machine + inferior process."
benkay: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/feb/11/the-chess-master-and-the-computer/
ozbot: The Chess Master and the Computer by Garry Kasparov | The New York Review of Books
nubbins`: i recall some years ago a guy was pitting an AMD cpu vs an intel cpu in a game of chess
asciilifeform: a 'strong human' in this context is simply one who knows how to use his machine correctly.
nubbins`: two different chess programs running on each, so 4 combinations of cpu/software
asciilifeform: think 'knife fight' rather than 'boxing match.'
nubbins`: unsurprisingly, it came down to the software and not the cpu.
benkay: asciilifeform: that's wrapping up human skill at game with human skill at computer
asciilifeform: when you can use machines at your leisure, it's a somewhat different game that you're playing.
benkay: indeed.
BingoBoingo: Seems like for chess 0.06 BTC per competitor is roughly the cost of turning match outcomes into coinflips this year http://www.hiarcs.com/pc-chess-deep-junior.htm
BingoBoingo: Though I imagine some people would spend more to get Rybka
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.003 = 0.294 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: play a game in a bit?
asciilifeform: SatoshiGo is a far better idea
asciilifeform: no turning hardware straight into match outcomes, there.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00293 = 0.293 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.308 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00293 = 0.293 BTC [-] {4}
Ogedei: whats the chan with only ticker again?
benkay: -trades
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58600 @ 0.00086684 = 50.7968 BTC [+] {3}
Ogedei: thanks
benkay: well
benkay: -assets-trades
Ogedei: ya got it
kanzure: tell me other channels
benkay: .1btc per channel i suggest
nubbins`: -pit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3019999 = 0.604 BTC [-]
kanzure: [freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #bitcoin-pit (You have joined to too many channels)
kanzure: fucking freenode
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 80 @ 0.02088942 = 1.6712 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.01682315 = 1.6823 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: flip a ;;coin, i call heads
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Heads
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2922 = 0.5844 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.155 = 0.465 BTC [+]
mike_c: ;;coin
gribble: tails
mike_c: you both lose
nubbins`: haha
benkay: pretty sure BingoBoingo just actually flipped a coin.
nubbins`: ah, that makes more sense
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I forgot Gribble could
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.295 = 2.655 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 19 @ 0.155 = 2.945 BTC [+]
nubbins`: 1. d4
nubbins`: if anyone wants to play along, grab a board
BingoBoingo: d5
nubbins`: 2. c3
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30598665 = 0.918 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Nf6
nubbins`: 3. f4
dub: kanzure: um
dub: kanzure: freenode has a retarderly high chanlimit
BingoBoingo: Bf5
Ogedei: havelock just go down?
nubbins`: 4. Nd2
kanzure: dub: it seems to be 200
benkay: SELL SELL
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you be in 200 chans
nubbins`: 200 chans, lel
mircea_popescu: i'm in like 2, of which one's mine
nubbins`: #mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: e6
kanzure: because i actually contribute to these projects?
mircea_popescu: nah, #trilema
kanzure: and it's useful to communicate with the people i work with ?
kanzure: fuck off
nubbins`: oooo!
mircea_popescu: crazy
kanzure: yeah.
benkay: that's a lot of things across which to split ones attention
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i thought i'm overdoing irc. i guess not.
kanzure: benkay: i have a high capacity for attention i think
mircea_popescu: a big amount of attention right over here.
benkay: methinks the lady etc etc
kanzure: maybe our two attentions can merge together
nubbins`: what, again with the docking?
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: sorry, didnt notice your last move
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: e6
mircea_popescu: btw, any of you gonna play rift ? i'm sort of considering making a guild
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: 5. e3
BingoBoingo: c5
nubbins`: 6. Qa4
nubbins`: +
benkay: mircea when future lot sizes change we can expect the collateral required for puts to change at the same time riiiiight?
BingoBoingo: Nc6
benkay: (lot sizes for options...)
mircea_popescu: roughly.
mircea_popescu: why ?
benkay: writing a thing
nubbins`: 7. Nf3
BingoBoingo: c4
nubbins`: 8. b4
benkay: oh and also mircea_popescu there's some secret padding in the call collateral requirements not mentioned in the faq, correct?
BingoBoingo: a6
nubbins`: 9. Ne5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02099999 = 0.189 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: in other news: latest word is that NSA spies on... WoW.
nubbins`: next thing we'll find out they were the flying dicks in SL
asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/10/us/politics/games-docs.html?_r=0
benkay: nubbins`: there was something making the rounds about spies spying on spies in SL.
BingoBoingo: Bxe5
asciilifeform: gotta be fictional, to discredit other leaks
asciilifeform: authored by literature team at Meta-NSA.
BingoBoingo: Wait nubbins` I got your Knight mixed
nubbins`: i've got your.. yeah
nubbins`: your bishop is on f5
mircea_popescu: benkay put
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.29088613 = 3.7815 BTC [-] {7}
benkay: >.<
benkay: that's what i meant.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Bf7
nubbins`: 10. b5
asciilifeform: This is pure gold: "Monitoring strategy games like Counterstrike can be an effective way to track individual skill levels in firearms, tactical operations, group cohesion, leadership, etc."
asciilifeform: (p. 14)
nubbins`: gov't employees spying on 14yo kids calling each other fags and lobbing grenades
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: a6xb5
jborkl: Counterstrike, how fucking out of date is that doc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.30943748 = 2.4755 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: 11. Qxb5!
jborkl: You suck camper, I am going to report you to them in and get you banned faggot
nubbins`: ^
jborkl: Admin
nubbins`: son, uncle sam wants to have a word
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: 0-0
dub: jesus
dub: no wonder they are after me
jborkl: Pwned.nl ftw for the NSA
dub: I am the god of FPS
nubbins`: 12. h3
dub: you know this is all about some NSA kids justifying getting paid to play games
benkay: i find that the more plausible story.
benkay: their superiors look at the proposal and say "sure. nice distraction."
benkay: then some new poor soul gets hired on to the team, can't figure out why no 'work' is happening and starts writing reports.
asciilifeform: p. 35. geocaching.
asciilifeform: wait till they learn about bitcoin...
benkay: who's the NSA stooge in -assets?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: NxNe5
BingoBoingo: benkay: Best to assume we all are
benkay: MPEx: honeypot.
jborkl: Kako
asciilifeform: 'The Man Who Was Thursday' !
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: 13. Be2
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02299999 = 0.184 BTC [+]
jborkl: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=366357.0
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jborkl: Really one of you guys needs to help. He is broke
jborkl: :/
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Nd3+
jborkl: Heh, maybe he could apply to seedcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02299999 = 0.184 BTC [+]
nubbins`: nice one
nubbins`: 14. Bxd3
asciilifeform: seedcoin? is that the last little bit you needed to plant next year's btc crop, that the Reds confiscate when they dekulakize you?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: BxBd3
jborkl: I guess the hippies and Amish would like seedcoin, renewable and all
asciilifeform: afaik there are crackpot 'proof of stake' altchains where seedcoin actually exists
asciilifeform: (you need some to mine any)
nubbins`: 15. Bb2
BingoBoingo: Ne4
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02415426 = 0.1691 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: 16. Rd1
BingoBoingo: Bh4+
mircea_popescu: so who's winning ?
dub: asciilifeform: in the case of the famous one, its pow bootstrapped
dub: (peercoin)
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: h's pawn is on 3
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeterminate at this time nubbins` is down a bishop though
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I know. I'm not taking the pawn but imposing check
dub: nubbins` is down with bishops?
nubbins`: ha! sorry
BingoBoingo: It's cool
nubbins`: actually, that's the game right there
nubbins`: congrats
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You can still move g3, but then Bxge++
nubbins`: 17. g3, Bxg3++
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: gg
BingoBoingo: gg
nubbins`: shouldnt have moved that rook
nubbins`: stupid move
nubbins`: even without the bishop moving
BingoBoingo: Yeah. That would have left you king some room.
nubbins`: honestly i was expecting Rxa2
nubbins`: soon as i hit enter, i said whoops
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00292183 = 5.8437 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Nah, nubbins if I would have moved that rook it would have been to challenge the queen by going to a5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 810 @ 0.00291 = 2.3571 BTC [-]
nubbins`: almost moved that queen to b7
nubbins`: more for the escalation than anything ;(
nubbins`: 42 minutes, not bad
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I was expecting you to do that eventually. Planned to ignore it unless you could get other pieces to back it up though. If you could have got an unobstructed rook on b1 to back Qxb7 that would have been concerning
BingoBoingo: Final position is here: http://imgur.com/UFC5wGk if anyone is inerested.
nubbins`: that's upside down ;)
nubbins`: j/k
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6969 @ 0.00087059 = 6.0671 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1531 @ 0.00087087 = 1.3333 BTC [+]
nubbins`: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfu11uljk3kjbcs/chess.svg
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: One benefit of playing on IRC is you can sit or stand facing any side of the board you want
nubbins`: ^ if anyone wants an inkscape chessboard
nubbins`: yeah, true
Kleeck_: and a keylogger ^^
nubbins`: i get to undo and redo ;D
nubbins`: easier than sorting thru the history
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.31022498 = 3.1022 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 100 @ 0.0077 = 0.77 BTC
kakobrekla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAPSNjXSSRQ
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.09665631 = 1.8365 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 51 @ 0.02050019 = 1.0455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.311 = 3.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.155 = 0.465 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.15589999 = 0.3118 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: wow bitcoin store is unusable
nubbins`: https://www.dropbox.com/s/q2pqx5192dffuya/chess2.svg even
thestringpuller: i've been hearing that phrase a lot
thestringpuller: "Get the money"
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 274258 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1933 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1017248703.44 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.98852
thestringpuller: Gangsta
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you still there?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2881 @ 0.00289298 = 8.3347 BTC [-] {7}
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 274260 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1931 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 14 hours, 38 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 999416555.98 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.02539
mike_c: 2 slow blocks.. not what we need.
mike_c: when is that cellphone-miner company launching? hopefully in the next 10 days.
Sabroshi: you bet on Yes?
mike_c: yeah, couple weeks ago. don't hate me bingoboingo.
nubbins`: hi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02020002 = 0.1414 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29201001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14117 @ 0.00086348 = 12.1897 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: cellphone miner? i can only conclude that 'silk road' is back, and btc people are partaking of strong drug.
mike_c: cellphone miner:
mike_c: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358242.msg3842580#msg3842580
ozbot: Next generation 14nm mining grid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 28 @ 0.02465101 = 0.6902 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02199999 = 0.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02199999 = 0.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02199999 = 0.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02208887 = 0.1988 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;bcstata
gribble: Error: "bcstata" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 274269 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1922 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 20 hours, 36 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1018349132.03 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.10967
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 9.08350 * 1.1
gribble: 9.99185
thestringpuller: .d
thestringpuller: oh yea ozbot has me on ignore
Duffer1: .d
ozbot: 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 1920 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.4573% in 11d 12h 48m 4s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.30899999 = 0.618 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.309 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00086547 = 1.5146 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18529 @ 0.00086695 = 16.0637 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00086695 = 3.7279 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.156 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15799999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05 = 2 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00086695 = 10.0133 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10987 @ 0.00086758 = 9.5321 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: If anyone wants to know how Open Source chess engines stack up against each other in the event that Play Chess for BTC becomes a thing so far it seems Stockfish>fruit>Pychess>Phlanx
BingoBoingo: Depending on how affluent suckers are it may be worth setting up a Windows machine to run Rybka though.
BingoBoingo: I'm finding some exceptions though. Fruit tends to annihilate Stockfish under strict (under 5 minute time constraints) while black. I also imagine the results might differ if I actually allowed any of these engines access to an opening book.
KRS|Gotyawallet: o/
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: I'm just testing and releasing some early findings in case someone would decide to advance such a broken idea
KRS|Gotyawallet: ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00086783 = 0.8678 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: whatcha got
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Just engines running natively in Linux through PyChess fighting each other.
KRS|Gotyawallet: hmmm
KRS|Gotyawallet: pretty interesting
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: Without any opening books feeding them they actually seem to be playing rather crippled in the early going.
KRS|Gotyawallet: i like the idea of modifying open source software to be driven by btc
KRS|Gotyawallet: im a sysadmin..so i tend to think business apps- check it
KRS|Gotyawallet: you know that thing jurov set up - the open terminal i forgot the url
KRS|Gotyawallet: you click start and get a linux shell
KRS|Gotyawallet: dig..
KRS|Gotyawallet: same thing-but "Insert 0.01 for SugarCRM instance"
KRS|Gotyawallet: then the customer can go in and fiddle with SugarCRM
KRS|Gotyawallet: I've always hated having to set up a vm or download a virtual appliance and set it up on my own
KRS|Gotyawallet: I just want to use it damnit.
KRS|Gotyawallet: dig?
KRS|Gotyawallet: There are 1000's of apps that take time to set up to be able to use them..
BingoBoingo: Yeah, the catch is though that a lot of those demanding set up steps exist for reasons.
KRS|Gotyawallet: Usually you have to download a virtual appliance or if the vendor/project has a demo its restricted
KRS|Gotyawallet: im thinking this eliminates those reasons..concerns?
KRS|Gotyawallet: btw get ready to lose 25% or so of your btc net wealth
BingoBoingo: Eh, why would I lose that?
KRS|Gotyawallet: market aint so hot lately
KRS|Gotyawallet: im thinking if market price doesnt stabilize at 900's again it'll go 700's if it doesnt stop there i think down further
KRS|Gotyawallet: been real unstable lately
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: How much were you watching BTC this spring in the period immediately after it broke $80
kanzure: i thought sugarcrm was ran by a company that sells sugarcrm instances
kanzure: are you just banking on "i can integrate btc faster than whoever is running sugarcrm's parent company at the moment can"
kanzure: like, the obvious downside here is that you would have to actually support sugarcrm instances..... yeah.
BingoBoingo: I'm really not worried about how thin BTC orderbooks are contributing to this present volatility because generally the asks side (aka people with BTC) tends to be better at bluffing than the bids are.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15671 @ 0.00086663 = 13.581 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6577 @ 0.00086547 = 5.6922 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 875 @ 0.00086547 = 0.7573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8310 @ 0.00086666 = 7.2019 BTC [+] {2}
KRS|Gotyawallet: wow thats a great analysis bingoboingo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.158 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: i'm still learning trading i've been working at it for a year
BingoBoingo: KRS|Gotyawallet: That guess comes from nothing sophisticated.
BingoBoingo: It may be completely wrong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05 = 0.75 BTC
KRS|Gotyawallet: oh hah
KRS|Gotyawallet: makes sense
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 0.13900001 = 0.695 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2550 @ 0.00010292 = 0.2624 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00297001 = 0.1188 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3300 @ 0.000103 = 0.3399 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09133333 = 0.274 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC
KRS|Gotyawallet: kakkobrekla..
KRS|Gotyawallet: This doesn't seem like good news.
KRS|Gotyawallet: "If Bitcoin was a country — Bitcoinistan? — it would be like Somalia."
KRS|Gotyawallet: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-proves-libertarians-idea-paradise-022800742.html
ozbot: Bitcoin Proves The Libertarian Idea Of Paradise Would Be Hell On Earth - Yahoo Finance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 700 @ 0.00296178 = 2.0732 BTC [-] {7}
KRS|Gotyawallet: BITBET! http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/10/this-finance-expert-thinks-bitcoin-will-fall-99-percent-by-june/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.319 BTC [+]
javanomad: ;;seen unbalanced
gribble: unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 5 hours, 58 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <unbalanced> (wish I'd hit enter a half-second sooner)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00086621 = 11.6505 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58400 @ 0.00086801 = 50.6918 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00086464 = 22.1348 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 390 @ 0.00049999 = 0.195 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 31 @ 0.14303225 = 4.434 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.1393 = 1.393 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 43 @ 0.13289766 = 5.7146 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10325 @ 0.00008114 = 0.8378 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24838 @ 0.0008706 = 21.624 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 32089 @ 0.0000703 = 2.2559 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.12775 = 2.044 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2845 @ 0.00046332 = 1.3181 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00010299 = 0.103 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00087309 = 11.9177 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15999997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2070 @ 0.00087347 = 1.8081 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11848 @ 0.0008714 = 10.3243 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00087493 = 22.092 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00296 = 0.296 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00087244 = 8.8989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00087567 = 11.6464 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.129 = 0.258 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1773 @ 0.0001008 = 0.1787 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 3227 @ 0.00010025 = 0.3235 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.13500001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00296 = 0.1687 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12715 @ 0.00087152 = 11.0814 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.303 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31899999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.319 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00087517 = 11.771 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 156 @ 0.00295987 = 0.4617 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 344 @ 0.00292286 = 1.0055 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00295 = 0.1475 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4110 @ 0.00087517 = 3.5969 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02349993 = 0.1175 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00007009 = 0.3505 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5917 @ 0.00087624 = 5.1847 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00087656 = 20.0732 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.31787142 = 2.2251 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.0235 = 0.3525 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19234 @ 0.00087297 = 16.7907 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 240 @ 0.05 = 12 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00087477 = 12.2468 BTC [+] {2}
Sabroshi: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1039124171.64 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: oy Sabroshi cabron! como estas!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00290003 = 2.9 BTC [-] {3}
Sabroshi: Ola! Ola!
Sabroshi: ;;nethash
gribble: 6400549.04237
Sabroshi: still broken, nanotube knows tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.137 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.0008742 = 12.1514 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: When Weinstein was charged with handling the US release of Princess Mononoke, he received a samurai sword in the mail with an attached note that read, "No cuts."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4429 @ 0.00087092 = 3.8573 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 332 @ 0.00287856 = 0.9557 BTC [-] {13}
jurov: kakobrekla: http://www.kompot.sk/eshop/tricka/ludom-jebe-girl/ understand? want one?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30200005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.30200001 = 1.51 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 571 @ 0.00289163 = 1.6511 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17204 @ 0.00087208 = 15.0033 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n7hiuXjXJEw << ipo that crow!
mircea_popescu: jurov cunny crew would have been a better name for a radical sewing circle.
jurov: oh, they prefer local spelling
mircea_popescu: well then why "crew"
mircea_popescu: kundy krai
jurov: http://www.kompot.sk/eshop/tricka/naive-boy/
KRS|Gotyawallet: you guys know anything about cex.io cloudhashing shares? i cant see how its profitable
KRS|Gotyawallet: i must be doing something wrong
mircea_popescu: don't know anything that'd indicate it's profitable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02249999 = 0.2925 BTC [-]
jurov: ppl know what "kundy" and "crew" is. i had to look "cunny" up
KRS|Gotyawallet: yea i ran the numbers it just doesnt make sense
mircea_popescu: jurov that's a point.
mircea_popescu: i think kundy is exactly it tho, neh ? cutest way to say girlbit.
jurov: not sure if cutest... that would be "pička"
jurov: and it's plural, singular is kunda
mircea_popescu: romanian uses pizda but doesn't have a picka ;/
pankkake: KRS|Gotyawallet: they probably get their success from the referal program
pankkake: if you want any chance of profit, you have to spam
mircea_popescu: so it's a... mlm thing ?
pankkake: I think there's only one level, but it certainly smells like it
mircea_popescu: slm
KRS|Gotyawallet: pankkake do they think people are stupid
KRS|Gotyawallet: facepalm
pankkake: isn't it the first assumption when you create a btc investment?
pankkake: and yet I'm pretty sure they were cheaper than many that were around when they started
pankkake: kinda like TAT.VM
pankkake: at least it limits the scale of the overpricing… ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.30073334 = 1.8044 BTC [-] {3}
KRS|Gotyawallet: yea i guess the only ones that were able to make anything of it are those who invested then reinvested their earnings a few times..back when btc was $200 there might have been a decent roi
KRS|Gotyawallet: i was looking at them back then but it looked so scammy.
KRS|Gotyawallet: oh wow gox went down hard like the old days
KRS|Gotyawallet: i miss those days..cheap coin
pankkake: She not only has delicious tits
pankkake: she has infamous wits
pankkake: Her beautiful nose
pankkake: can't rival her insightful prose
mircea_popescu: http://your-daily-girl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Larissa-Riquelme-11.jpg
mircea_popescu: and she'd also look much better with a curly mustache
pankkake: is that supposed to be 3D?
mircea_popescu: i think they just don't have nude beaches in paraguay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05 = 0.75 BTC
KRS|Gotyawallet: btw if mpex sells cex shares, i meant their mining offering directly from them 1ghash .07 btc.. i wasn't talking about securities
KRS|Gotyawallet: im looking to diversify a bit and pick up another investment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 54201 @ 0.00010738 = 5.8201 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 18 @ 0.17327776 = 3.119 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.13999999 BTC [+]
nubbins`: hi
Kleeck: http://guardianlv.com/2013/12/icelanders-overthrow-government-and-rewrite-constitution-after-banking-fraud-no-word-from-us-media/
ozbot: Icelanders Overthrow Government and Rewrite Constitution After Banking Fraud-No Word From US Media
nubbins`: Kleeck: that's months old
nubbins`: maybe even last year
Kleeck: Added by Rebecca Savastio on December 2, 2013.
Kleeck: I'm in the US, so this is the first I've heard of it. :D
nubbins`: yeah, she's writing about an event that happened last year :D
nubbins`: either way, interesting story
Kleeck: Yup.
Kleeck: Very.
nubbins`: An “iReport” on CNN, written by a private citizen in May 2012, has questioned the reasons why this revolution has not been widely covered in the U.S.
Kleeck: In the US we would be labeled as terrorists.
Kleeck: Yes. The revolution was post 2008 economic collapse.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11925 @ 0.00087305 = 10.4111 BTC [+] {2}
Rulother: keep up Kleeck
Rulother: Thats some old news
Kleeck: I understand that the event is old. The article is about more than just the overthrow.
pankkake: older than the internet!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00087598 = 13.3587 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 2994 @ 0.000115 = 0.3443 BTC [-]
manky: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4622 @ 0.00088003 = 4.0675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1166 @ 0.00011 = 0.1283 BTC [-] {2}
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
deadweasel: dammit gribs, lazy bot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00087549 = 1.4883 BTC [-]
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.29249949 = 5.85 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.29209 = 2.3367 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.141 BTC [+]
Kleeck: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/10/this-finance-expert-thinks-bitcoin-will-fall-99-percent-by-june/
ozbot: This finance expert thinks Bitcoin will fall 99 percent by June
ThickAsThieves: lucky if it falls to 99%
Duffer1: even i could be able to afford to buy back in if that happens, that would be amazing
Duffer1: damn you assbot
pankkake: he probably hasn't the balls to bet on that though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00293604 = 0.5872 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 61 @ 0.02434538 = 1.4851 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.143 = 0.715 BTC [+] {3}
deadweasel: make a bitbet, send to author
ThickAsThieves: that article never bothers to make a point
ThickAsThieves: TLDR: Bitcoin will die cuz it has the most support of any crypto and cuz it's volatile and crashed this week. Btw, where can I buy bitcoins again?
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin will die because it upsets the world i'm familiar with"
mircea_popescu: "the government will prevent bitcoin from upsetting the world i'm familiar with"
mircea_popescu: "people who better adapt to things that upset the world i'm familiar with never get better pay, more attention and a nicer life than me"
mircea_popescu: basically bitcoin is the anti-religion : it exposes the implicit bible of everyone else.
Kleeck: Courtesy if deizel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r00IjBdp-ZA
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00087549 = 17.2034 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.292061 = 0.5841 BTC [-]
Kleeck: http://imgur.com/R1v2xB5
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00087758 = 7.24 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-will-die/
ozbot: Bitcoin will die pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16425 @ 0.00087445 = 14.3628 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8075 @ 0.00087356 = 7.054 BTC [-]
deadweasel: $avg
mpexbot: deadweasel: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.0008759 = 4.2481 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so romanian health ministry would not spring for a hospital in this small northern town. consequently, they changed the town name plaques on all the roads
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29206066 = 0.8762 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: welcome to coas! drive carefully : we have six graveyards and not a single hospital
mircea_popescu: http://lauraspataru.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/coas_17906500.jpg
nubbins`: hahahaha
sbp: when we have to update signs in the UK, the councils complain that they cost too many hundreds of thousands of pounds to change. for the cost of changing those signs, maybe Coaș could have afforded a new hospital...
mircea_popescu: i doubt the whole story cost 5k
sbp: these days you can 3d print a hospital for 3k
assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1500616/plain/)
mircea_popescu: !b 8 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: bwahaha
sbp: how's Cardano coming along, mircea_popescu? looking forward to it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05166332 = 0.31 BTC [+] {3}
sbp: I was reading asciilifeform's notes about RNG on Trilema earlier
mircea_popescu: well... work, you know ?
sbp: yeah
sbp: give it a cognitive nudge of interest from me though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00284155 = 0.1591 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is actually waking up at night because of the thing.
sbp: heh! awesome. well, awesome inasmuch as it doesn't distract him from Loper... :-)
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts whether he's eating properly.
sbp: well hopefully he doesn't end up like Gödel
deadweasel: pay a local homeless man to keep an eye on him.
mircea_popescu: wasn't godel the guy with two wives ?
sbp: not as far as I remember. logician who died of starvation because he believed he was being poisoned. (not very logical)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00255201 = 0.2144 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you're right, schroedinger had a girl with two women.
deadweasel: well, he kept one of them in a box, so it's debatable.
mircea_popescu: no, he kept milton (his cat) in the box
sbp: haha, Schrödinger seriously had a cat named Milton? great
sbp: you know, Heisenberg had twins. well, his wife did
sbp: after she gave birth, Pauli congratulated Heisenberg on pair production
mircea_popescu: lol
sbp: should have asked him which was his favourite. he never could decide...
mircea_popescu: http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/lehigh-county/index.ssf/2013/08/women_report_man_was_openly_ma.html
ozbot: Women report man openly performing sex act; he claims it was jock itch, cops say | lehighvall
mircea_popescu: don't be a jock, the police are cracking down.
deadweasel: lol, my junk was itchy, now I'm in jail.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't gonna scratch my cock
mircea_popescu: but then i got high... then i got high...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.1445 BTC [+]
Kleeck: Courtesy of Crunchyarms: http://imgur.com/lmHvt4R
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 50 @ 0.00205 = 0.1025 BTC [-]
Kleeck: (Sidebar needs futher modification.)
deadweasel: the thc irritates my crabs, sir.
deadweasel: don't tase me bro?
mircea_popescu: Kleeck still, an envelope ?
sbp: http://www.sparecoins.io/
sbp: keep a wallet in your browser
sbp: nothing can go wrong
sbp: nothing
Kleeck: Yeah. It took him 2 minutes. :) Still fits though, right. Mailing money?
Kleeck: Oh no.
Kleeck: http://imgur.com/UIScPVi
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
Kleeck: Even more.
dexX7: hehe
Kleeck: Again, courtesy Crunchyarms.
mircea_popescu: hahaha
BingoBoingo: http://www.bnd.com/2013/12/11/2954203/toddler-helps-county-decide-order.html
ozbot: Toddler helps county decide order of candidates on primary ballot | Metro-east news | News Democrat
dexX7: lol goat makes news on reddit.. "someone on 4chan bought a lambo with 216 btc"
Kleeck: This is the dumbest video ever.
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 274372 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1819 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 3 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1034198923.97 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.85457
nubbins`: i'm always pleasantly surprised by the price of things in btc
nubbins`: like, i just realized a 3d printer is < 2 btc
nubbins`: what madness!
KRS|Gotyawallet: wow
pankkake: sparecoins is aptly named
pankkake: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1036361795.11 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
pankkake: I want to believe that last 3 days thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]
sbp: nubbins`: start thinking of prices in mBTC. then you can say almost exactly the same thing in a year or so
mircea_popescu: haha well put sbp
sbp: somebody needs to work on a media friendly name for µBTC
sbp: we'll never need nBTC, unless they split the Satoshi
mircea_popescu: urmomtc
sbp: media friendly, not 4chan friendly
mircea_popescu: o o sorry my bad
FabianB: why not skip all the steps inbetween and go with satoshi
nubbins`: ^
pankkake: I've seen millibit
mircea_popescu: tbh, this mili and micro stuff is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: we will use the 1/10000 unit
mircea_popescu: and the two sub units the cent and the millionth
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is base 2 not base 3.
nubbins`: why don't we just cobble together a series of retarded nonsensical names for all the different decimal places and use that?
nubbins`: 100 glaps to the quighorc, etc
sbp: please call one the quatloo...
mircea_popescu: lol. mmorpg square
mircea_popescu: sbp actually the 10k one makes sense as a quatloo
sbp: deal
sbp: quick, mine a block with "10k = quatloo!!!" in it
nubbins`: you'll need to reverse the terms or add another = ;)
sbp: blockchain notes should be called Sassamen
nubbins`: anyway, i'd want some way to make money off a 3d printer before i could justify buying one
FabianB: chinese (and i think japanese too) has words and characters for 10^4 and 10^8, none for 10^6 though, so much better for satoshi/btc
nubbins`: otherwise it's just another thing i don't have space for
nubbins`: myriads
mircea_popescu: FabianB say them ?
FabianB: in pinyin 10^4 is 'wan' and 10^8 'yi'
kanzure: sbp: hi
nubbins`: korean has 10^2, 3, 4, 8, 12, and every +4 thereafter
sbp: hey kanzure
nubbins`: up to almost 10^100, i think
dexX7: <mircea_popescu> tbh, this mili and micro stuff is nonsense. << well, it's easy to remember.. 1 millibit is approx 1 $
mike_c: nubbins`: sell snowflakes. http://www.shapeways.com/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0008759 = 4.0291 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00255201 = 0.37 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: dexX7 not for long
sbp: (万 and 亿)
dexX7: hehe
dexX7: i like when you are bullish (if you are)
nubbins`: 10^4 units of korean won is about $10, so it's good they'd have a reasonably short name for it
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/#identifier_4_47551 << for teh reference
ozbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: i don't think you're using the term "base" the way other people use it
FabianB: an mpex account is 30亿satoshi :)
mircea_popescu: the count of zeroes is also a number.
nubbins`: 30억 satoshi
mircea_popescu: 30 亿s
mircea_popescu: i likethe sound of that
mircea_popescu: so 亿 is wan, which is the w part, the misshapen 1 or the insecure 2 ?
nubbins`: i agree on the half-length tho, i've been mentally digesting satoshi-denominated amounts this way to make sense of them for a while now
nubbins`: chinese characters make no sense to me
FabianB: mircea_popescu: no, 亿 is 'yi' (10^8)
mircea_popescu: a a
nubbins`: korean is very logical, each block is a syllable composed of up to 3 sounds
pankkake: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/
FabianB: wan is 10k and 万
sbp: nubbins`: I tried learning Hangul once. I had problems doing the aspirated p, for some reason. I kept practicing it, but whatever I did, I could not make that damn aspirated p sound. it was driving me insane, so I looked into it carefully
sbp: eventually I realised that *all* of my p's are aspirated!
mircea_popescu: lol
sbp: of course, then I had problems making a non-aspirated p...
nubbins`: heh. consonants are hard.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 99 @ 0.00209 = 0.2069 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30493107 BTC [+]
nubbins`: how many times would i have to repeat my address to the taxi driver 10 times
nubbins`: "남양 아파트!!"
nubbins`: eventually he says
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0008759 = 2.9781 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "ahhhhh! 남양 아파트!!"
nubbins`: completely indistinguishable from what i was saying
nubbins`: the double consonants are odd too
nubbins`: double d's and k's and stuff
sbp: yeah, faucalised
sbp: need to exercise your faucal cords, heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 201 @ 0.002103 = 0.4227 BTC [+] {3}
dexX7: http://www.coinion.com/2013/12/11/child-labor-bitcoin-mines-exposed/
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out man, slave coin. it's happening.
pigeons: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=194655.0
ozbot: [ANN] CPcoin, the first Child Friendly Coin
dexX7: is "Child Pageant" a friendly phrase for child porn?
mircea_popescu: in the sense mineral water is a friendly phrase for vodka
dexX7: hehe
mircea_popescu: i think child pageants is what soccer moms do after the thrill of control soccer provides is no longer enough
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC {3}
pankkake: child pageants attendance 50% soccer mons 50% paedos
dexX7: i think the altcoin winner of the month is dogecoin
dexX7: http://www.zazzle.com/official_dogecoin_t_shirt-235041754845982282 :D
ozbot: Official DOGECOIN T-Shirt from Zazzle.com
pankkake: lol
asciilifeform: i expected DOGECOIN to involve old Venice / slave trade...
pankkake: it's from a meme I never understood, but I loled anyway https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361813.0
dexX7: haha yea, that's it
dexX7: most active altcoin thread for some days now
pankkake: fucking 46 pages lol
mircea_popescu: o wait. not just a logo, also a zazzle shirt ?
mircea_popescu: winner.
mircea_popescu: wow it doesn't ? what a letdown.
pankkake: I'll buy the physical coins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 248 @ 0.00246126 = 0.6104 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.00275 = 0.275 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.0029436 = 0.103 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00088012 = 6.4249 BTC [+] {2}
sbp: mircea_popescu: Knuth cheats at email, by the way
sbp: he sent an hilarious email to a team that a friend of mine was involved in, in about 2005 or so
sbp: but he got his secretary to send it... :-)
sbp: here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2005Sep/0052.html
mircea_popescu: kinda like me and the forum.
asciilifeform: or the pope's 'twitter' account, etc.
sbp: I love that they deleted all the old pope's tweets
mircea_popescu: who does the pope on twitter ? jesys ?
asciilifeform: richard stallman is also well known for having minions check his mail (and even load pages)
sbp: bet they didn't do that in the Vatican Library too. set fire to all of Benedict's papers
pigeons: well the idea of a secretary is that he/sh checks your mail so you can work
asciilifeform: division of labour. most of us pay other people to slaughter and gut animals for the table. what's the problem in doing the same with email, if you can afford it...
mircea_popescu: sbp at some point they used to.
kanzure: sbp: would be nice if the pope starts using btc. then church finances become slightly more auditable.
mircea_popescu: Look folks, I know that software rot (sometimes called "progress")
mircea_popescu: keeps growing, and backwards compatibility is not always possible.
mircea_popescu: hahaha
kanzure: that's just a clever way of saying "you do it"
mircea_popescu: he mirrors quite exacrtly why i quit caring about html validation and "validity" in general, circa 2007
mircea_popescu: blessfully ignorant of the guy's pov. but fuck you html standards people.
mircea_popescu: this is one of those situations where the spec may only grow. you're free to add css into the spec, but you are not allowed to "stop supporting" table elements or w/e
asciilifeform: http://philip.greenspun.com/research/shame-and-war-old
ozbot: We Have Chosen Shame and Will Get War.
mircea_popescu: Make a graph with time on the x-axis and formatting capabilities on the y-axis. Draw a line from the HTML level 1 to HTML level 3. You'll see that HTML reaches LaTeX's level of formatting capability around the year 2000.
mircea_popescu: If we are going to get there eventually, we might as well get there soon.
mircea_popescu: ha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
mircea_popescu: o kill me dead.
mircea_popescu: what ?
mircea_popescu: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 274385 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1806 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 3 hours, 33 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1051660720.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.77693
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC
pankkake: https://bitbucket.org/pankkake/asslyrics/src/87b8e1c6b67c1692dc4b37081a8db8615ddb2509/straightouttatimisoara.txt?at=master could be longer, but I ran out of inspiration
ozbot: pankkake / asslyrics
nubbins`: LaTeX is great
pankkake: but ugly
nubbins`: only when you're creating it.
nubbins`: looks beautiful once you're done ;D
nubbins`: dogecoin << would buy
benkay: unfortunately most designers can only gui and so we have pdf. huzzah.
mircea_popescu: people who can only gui are not designers.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "most engineers can only autocad"
asciilifeform: laugh, but this has become an actual fact.
benkay: "designers", then.
mircea_popescu: pankkake this ain't a penis contest, it doesn't have to be long, it has to be thick
mircea_popescu: nm, on second thought it is a penis contest.
asciilifeform: 'it will be long, it will be hard, and there shall be no withdrawal'...
pankkake: well this one is pretty much an egotrip, and you should be an endless source of that
dexX7: there was a small discussion about korean ips monitors with ThickAsThieves and kakobrekla some weeks ago.. i ended up buying two dell u2412m and had a 27" here earlier, but it was too big. but i have to say: ips displays are nice
pankkake: :D
mircea_popescu: how's the girl gonna sing it then lol
sbp: kanzure: Snoop Dogg is into BTC, don't see why Francis I shouldn't be next
pankkake: I wouldn't go back to anything non IPS
pankkake: pretty much requirement number one for a place of work
pankkake: cause Francis is a communist
asciilifeform: the rhyme reminds me of another: http://blog.sayan.ee/a-birthday-poem/
mircea_popescu: ;;google "it will be long; it will be hard; and there shall be no withdrawal."
gribble: Percocet withdrawals, how long do they last? - Addiction: Substance ...: <http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Addiction-Substance-Abuse/Percocet-withdrawals--how-long-do-they-last/show/55002>; How To Detox From Opiates At Home - Withdrawal Ease: <http://www.withdrawal-ease.com/how-to-detox-from-opiates-at-home/>; Alcohol Withdrawal Symptoms Can Make It Hard to Quit Drinking: (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20512 @ 0.00088319 = 18.116 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: winston c.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only google hit on the actual quoted string comes from files.meetup.com/8900962/Review%20Chap.%203-4%20Gurl-Posse.doc
asciilifeform: weird
mircea_popescu: which i find strangely strengthens your point
pankkake: Gurl Posse lol
mircea_popescu: pankkake a REVIEW thereof.
mircea_popescu: it just blew my mind.
pankkake: google book search can often give you strange results
asciilifeform: just the question of what is a 'gurl', one could think about for a while.
mircea_popescu: http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mean_girls_picture.bmp << who's the awkward / uncomfortable chick on the left ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a gurl is a waitress past her 30th bday.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00087902 = 18.855 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: rarely, a younger girl that will be a waitress past 30.
asciilifeform: that's more or less: usa in one sentence.
TomServo: dexX7: was anything larger recommended?
dexX7: there are super cheap (but worth) 27" ips displays from korea on ebay
asciilifeform: amusingly, loan word 'герла' is more or less equivalent in meaning to 'gurl' above.
dexX7: but it's too big imho
TomServo: I've looked at those, but have always been hesitant
pankkake: ;;ud gurl
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gurl | the way of spelling girl, favourd by girls below the age of 14 or dyslexics.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: gurl
nubbins`: doge is maybe the best meme yet
nubbins`: just putting it out there
asciilifeform: 27 inch proper 'Eizo'. 600 or so usd, ebay, new. perhaps it 'fell off truck'
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what is it ?
nubbins`: just a japanese dog with a lelly face usually accompanied by engrish nonsense in neon comic sans ms
asciilifeform: 16:9 lcd is mostly worthless unless you turn it, though.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also amusingly, gherla is romania's largest, most infamous prison and also an informal way to say "prison" in general.
TomServo: Yeah, I'd prefer 16:10
asciilifeform: 3:4.
nubbins`: http://0.tqn.com/d/humor/1/0/P/T/-/-/wow-such-math-ti-doge-meme1.jpg
dexX7: lol
sbp: mircea_popescu: Lindsay Lohan, by the looks
mircea_popescu: wow she was that young once huh.
nubbins`: http://0.tqn.com/d/humor/1/0/J/T/-/-/doge.jpg
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: etc
dexX7: awesome
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: such azn.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087523 = 12.6033 BTC [-] {2}
sbp: nubbins`: DOGECOIN: http://cdn0.dailydot.com/uploaded/images/original/2013/12/10/LgdyCfv.png
asciilifeform: i'd love to buy an lcd, 2 M or so diagonal. but it would need to have at least the same pixel density as the eizo.
nubbins`: nod, that's what caused me to bring it up
nubbins`: :D
sbp: oh, heh
nubbins`: http://24.media.tumblr.com/96919db8f22694170e85609491008230/tumblr_mtt0bmFOTZ1qjetuoo1_500.jpg
nubbins`: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/much+doge.+save+doge+at+http+www.funnyjunk.com+funnypictures+4779312+save+doge_d14d44_4778954.jpg
nubbins`: ^ leel
nubbins`: much doge
wao-ender: oh dogecoin finally arrived here
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/TUajDcw.jpg
nubbins`: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: much more doge. http://i.imgur.com/M6GApQd.jpg
dexX7: :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was gonna do that lol. much better. such meme now.
mircea_popescu: wow.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: (unrelated) shirts are in. thanks!
nubbins`: ah, great! cheers
nubbins`: how'd the box hold up?
asciilifeform: dour old woman at post office: 'how the hell did you get this through customs without a name'
mircea_popescu: did you tell her "power of bitcoin, lady" ?
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: i should probably start putting a full return address on these packages, too
mircea_popescu: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackBestFriend
ozbot: Main/Black Best Friend - Television Tropes & Idioms
nubbins`: altho to be fair you only need those 8 characters
asciilifeform: box came in entirely virginal.
mircea_popescu: tvtropes is such wow.
nubbins`: good news
nubbins`: http://webby.hazasite.com/r/SuperShibe/comments/1smg26/can_someone_explain_to_me_exactly_what_the_joke/
nubbins`: haha, first comment
nubbins`: "doge mystery" "no explain"
kakobrekla: dexX7 yeah i got 4 so far
kakobrekla: and prolly will add 1 more
dexX7: lol :D
kakobrekla: thats the max i can hook up
kakobrekla: well, without the external adapters anyway
asciilifeform: speaking of bizarre: from the text of a spam sample: 'purchase extreme intestinal activity station'.
dexX7: five should be enough, i guess?
mircea_popescu: since we're doing spam, Hi My name is Anastasia. I am from Russia. It may surprise you, enjoy
kakobrekla: no spam
mircea_popescu: hm. you think ?
kakobrekla: it says so right on the .. .eh.. nevermind
nubbins`: asciilifeform: so, an industrial sausage stuffer.
asciilifeform: since we're doing hardware minutiae: anyone know of a modern ECC mobo?
asciilifeform: i'd prefer not to live with my '07 Tyan for ever
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: best spam subject i've ever received is "Turn your peanut into a banana"
pankkake: spammers are extremely creative in avoiding the word penis now, it's amazing
asciilifeform: pankkake: '...come grasp the mighty phoenis of our Leader...'
asciilifeform: 'btc! greatest blockchain in the wurld; all other blockchains are run by little gurls...'
mircea_popescu: actually, i would wager a guess that the disk space of btc blockchain > disk space of all other altcoins combined
asciilifeform: this is hardly surprising.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5998 @ 0.00087892 = 5.2718 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: although i'd also be surprised if altcoin aficionados don't take to bloating their chains to 'look relevant'.
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/3d-printer-by-sask-man-gets-record-crowdsourced-cash-1.2417416
ozbot: 3D printer by Sask. man gets record crowdsourced cash - Saskatchewan - CBC News
nubbins`: wow
nubbins`: that's a crazy way to print
asciilifeform: not new
asciilifeform: that was actually the original '3d printer'
asciilifeform: in the '70s.
asciilifeform: it was even mentioned in soviet 'наука и жизнь' mag ('science & life', similar to 'scientific american')
nubbins`: oh ya?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well now that it was said, definitely.
mircea_popescu: before, not likely. these people are not inovators, after all.
mircea_popescu: so it's useful in retrospect.
asciilifeform: e.g. http://www.google.com/patents/US4575330
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY92AE1Aj-U
ozbot: Animaniacs Variety Speak 2 - YouTube
asciilifeform: actually the fellow in the link did make a useful twist
asciilifeform: moving the 'z' platform by draining a tank (a la ancient greek 'klepsydra' clock) instead of a stepper motor.
pankkake: if you exclude namecoin, and the datacoin aberration, probably
pankkake: oh well, namecoin is only 1.5G :o
asciilifeform: problem with stereolithography is that you need a foul-smelling, poisonous, and quite expensive liquid polymer.
mircea_popescu: har har pankkake :D
asciilifeform: and the resulting product is quite brittle.
mircea_popescu: and the datacoin thing was what, 50mb ?
nubbins`: these resins seem to remain flexible once cured
nubbins`: but yeah, consumables cost is probably through the roof
pankkake: it's still a thing, allows big things to be stored at once. still at this time it's probably nothing
asciilifeform: you can buy uv-cured 'rubber', yes.
pankkake: litecoin 2.2G
nubbins`: ah, $60 per liter
asciilifeform: i still don't get why '3d printer' is so fashionable.
nubbins`: interesting that it uses audio to transmit the information
nubbins`: asciilifeform: it's the ultimate novelty.
pankkake: for people who don't know how to build things
pankkake: (like me :p)
asciilifeform: i mean, i get the usefulness of wangling together mechanical prototypes without the dust of machining, etc.
asciilifeform: but why the mass hysteria
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1047921554.97 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days
nubbins`: asciilifeform: for most of the public, it's a solution in search of a problem
nubbins`: but if you've got a need for rapid prototyping, these things are worth their weight in gold
pankkake: well I'm sure it would make buying some products obsolete
nubbins`: i don't doubt that most of the 3d printers in people's homes were used to make a couple sets of chess pieces and now sit idle
pankkake: is it safe for sex toys? I fear it isn't, but that would be a great use
nubbins`: generally sex toys aren't made from hard plastic
asciilifeform: extrusion printer usually gives a rough surface
nubbins`: replacement battery covers for sex toys, sure
asciilifeform: but one can sand it smooth, or coat it in something
nubbins`: stomb boxes for guitar fx pedals
pankkake: anything porous is a bad idea
nubbins`: *stomp
nubbins`: yeah, 3d printed sex toy would actually be a bacteria factory
benkay: if you pour metals 3d printers are the bomb for casting
pankkake: it's a great solution for replacement parts in general yeah
nubbins`: benkay, good point
asciilifeform: dip it in 'plasti-dip'
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: re:plasti-dip
nubbins`: i've seen lots of tools made with 3d printers
benkay: your metals just burn the plastic out of the casting
nubbins`: hemostats, pliers, tweezers, screwdriver grips, etc
benkay: obviously takes some tweaking, but totally feasible.
benkay: and the impossible-to-machine rib-holding-together-hardware, nubbins`
asciilifeform: benkay: two-step mold process. positive shape, wedge into clay for negative mold, bake, cast metal.
benkay: but man the ludicrous shit those poor companies struggling under the fda have to deal with
benkay: asciilifeform: yes, that is a casting process.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: i think benkay is thinking similar to a lost wax process
benkay: ^^
asciilifeform: i've thought about ways to electrolytically replace a (conductive) plastic with metal.
asciilifeform: but life is short.
nubbins`: sadly, not enough time to learn it all
benkay: i start over on a new domain every four years, i think.
asciilifeform: (for those who have no truck with 3d printing or the like, this isn't something which afaik exists.)
benkay: just enough time to become baseline competent but not anywhere near good.
asciilifeform: (currently there is only metal sintering, under noble gas. $0.5M.)
nubbins`: well there's short-term things and long-term things
nubbins`: coffee roasting was a short-term
nubbins`: printing is a long-term
nubbins`: you can generally tell by how much space you're willing to let something take up in your house
asciilifeform: the funniest part of the 3d printing in the popular media is the 'plastic gun.'
benkay: preach about the plastic gun, asciilifeform
nubbins`: asciilifeform: not a fucking chance would i put gunpowder inside anything i printed myself
asciilifeform: not that such a thing is impossible: medieval Korea had: leather cannon!
benkay: the gutters are full of humans eager to test the 20 dollar disposable firearm.
asciilifeform: wonder if anybody's fed Plastique into a 3d extruder.
nubbins`: haha
truffles: ban 3d printers
asciilifeform: 'there are many 3d printed doorknobs, but this one - is special!'
mircea_popescu: the problems only begin there. firearms are mostly an obsolete technology.
benkay: how so obsolete?
mircea_popescu: you can get armor good enough to render any handheld firearm useless.
truffles: boom headshot
nubbins`: but does it fit over your face?
nubbins`: ^^
mircea_popescu: notice that the serious bank robbers etc use very heavy assault weapons
asciilifeform: armor is a tricky business
mircea_popescu: and that only worked up to about 2005 or so
benkay: can you armor the entire ghetto block squad?
asciilifeform: the people to whom the question applies have a rather lukewarm enthusiasm for it.
nubbins`: ah, i always figured the assault weapons were more for show
nubbins`: "these guys must be REALLY serious!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see North Hollywood shootout etc. not that tricky.
mircea_popescu: a solved problem for > a decade by now
deadweasel: that was a great one
asciilifeform: state-of-the-art ceramic plate is rated for: 1 ak round.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.145 = 0.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10921 @ 0.00088531 = 9.6685 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: heavy, sweaty.
mircea_popescu: going on two decades.
truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejD1Gml-ZGc this?
ozbot: North Hollywood Shootout - YouTube
asciilifeform: american grunts are issued 'kevlar', but tend to throw it out. and they, oddly, won't sleep in it.
asciilifeform: not to mention other fine point: armor sets you up for blunt trauma.
asciilifeform: the kinetic energy still has to go somewhere...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reference was aramid. it withstood > 1k rounds from .38 and 9mm, as well as single action pump shotguns
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02350002 = 0.235 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: this is entirely plausible
asciilifeform: soft lead.
asciilifeform: but try finding a vendor willing to stand in it for target practice, for ten rounds much less a thousand.
asciilifeform: broken ribs.
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled newton's laws...
truffles: "patrol officers at the time were typically armed with a 9mm or .40 caliber pistol on their person, with a 12-gauge shotgun available in their cars. Phillips and Matasareanu carried fully automatic rifles and wore body armor. Since most handgun calibers cannot penetrate body armor, patrol officers had a significant disadvantage until SWAT arrived with equivalent firepower; they also
truffles: appropriated several semi-automatic rifles from a nearby firearms dealer to help even the odds. "
mircea_popescu: yes well, the story is this : two robbers with body armor did more damage to the city policeman pension and health insurance funds than would have been the case if they just let them keep the stolen money.
truffles: seems like its solved all round
mircea_popescu: even if you maange to print a gun, you will print a useless gun.
mircea_popescu: you need something very powerful to be able to do anything with it.
benkay: that's not the use case though. the use case is shitty guns for poor people in the decaying soviet states of america
mircea_popescu: benkay amusingly, amlar is easier to print than a gun.
asciilifeform: benkay: hardware store (or junkyard.) steel pipe.
asciilifeform: see harlan ellison's memoir of his '50s childhood
deadweasel: boomstick
asciilifeform: or virtually any work on prison weapons
benkay: amlar?
mircea_popescu: benkay aromatic polyamide. like kevlar, but with aroma.
the20year: Pretty easy to make a firearm out of supplies from tesco
asciilifeform: wait till people remember that kevlar (and other fiber armour) is useless against: arrows.
benkay: dahaha
the20year: asciilifeform: most current plates use ceramic which disperses the kenetic energy over a wide area, avoiding blunt tramua. Small arms fire has an amazingly low amount of kenetic energy compared to common measurements
the20year: asciilifeform: depends on which kind of kevlar vest you're talking about
mircea_popescu: also, it's easier to protect the head than the body.
mircea_popescu: bulletproof transparent rigid plastic was available before flexible stuff was.
mircea_popescu: the20year in fact, the kinetic energy of the bullet is roughly equal to the kinetic energy of the recoil.
asciilifeform: take simple example. ordinary ak round, ~2kJ (muzzle)
mircea_popescu: consequently, there's a limit to how heavy a round can be fired from the hand
asciilifeform: let's say 1kJ on impact, for the sake of argument.
mircea_popescu: and the thing is, armor has surpassed this minimum. handheld firearms are not particularly useful these days
mircea_popescu: (which is the REAL reason for the move towards tasers, not the feigned desire to avoid casualties)
asciilifeform: 1kJ applied to a head with impenetrable armor -> neck trauma
asciilifeform: unless you're willing to wear the equivalent of a 19th century diving suit
deadweasel: ^
benkay: all this fighting talk is causing thoughts of chumpatrons based on armor and weapons
asciilifeform: the phuture, if one insists, is in the self-aiming rifle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends a lot on the angle.
asciilifeform: like those pocket cameras that highlight faces.
mircea_popescu: people regularly take kj's to the head in most sports.
deadweasel: i think we should test these theories. somebody get me some armor, I'll youtube the experiments per your instructions. Only have 9mm and .40 for testing
deadweasel: i'm not sure if I'm joking
deadweasel: only one way to find out
mircea_popescu: deadweasel you can always use a dummy
mircea_popescu: like the car crash dummies
deadweasel: boring
mircea_popescu: not that this hasn't been done.
deadweasel: so boring
asciilifeform: phun phact: archduke ferdinand is said to have worn an early bulletproof vest.
asciilifeform: at the time of his death.
deadweasel: watching body armor video tests can be mesmerizing
asciilifeform: headshot
deadweasel: lol
the20year: You could do what the military and FBI does....
the20year: But who cares about pre-existing data? Everyone has to discover for themselves ,right?
truffles: hide?
mircea_popescu: <the20year> But who cares about pre-existing data? Everyone has to discover for themselves ,right? <<< qft.
deadweasel: qft? quite fucking true?
mircea_popescu: quoted for truth
truffles: quoted for
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't he killed by a bomb ?
deadweasel: ic
the20year: No, he was shot close range with a little pistol
deadweasel: i'm puncy as hell today, somebody shoot me already
asciilifeform: neck.
mircea_popescu: o it was the russian guy that was bombed.
asciilifeform: legend has it that submarine architects were once made to take a trip to max depth before the machine would be paid for.
asciilifeform: no reason why this shouldn't apply to armour makers.
the20year: don't you look at armor tests?
the20year: Some armor makers do put their armor on and get shot, i wouldn't due it due to spall, but some believe that much in their product
asciilifeform: arms vs. armour is a classic race that the latter tends to lose. witness 'reactive armour' on tank.
asciilifeform: the pill against it: round with two warheads.
the20year: It's usually a endless cycle of bigger armor being beaten by a bigger gun , IE ww2 f or instance
asciilifeform: or simple good aim (hit same spot twice.0
mircea_popescu: "while Mătăsăreanu's chest armor even successfully withstood a hit from a SWAT operator's AR-15"
mircea_popescu: no, srsly.
asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see reactive armor built for a man
asciilifeform: rather than tank
the20year: Most rifles won't make it through AR500 steel plate
the20year: It's stupidly easy to make body armor that will withstand most conventional rifle ammo, granted it's quite heavy
asciilifeform: the20year: ask a soldier how much he'd like to wear plate mail.
the20year: Why the heck would anyone want reactive armor on their body? The concussion would kill you when it activated
the20year: Well, most wear ceramic armor that's stronger than AR500, so many do
the20year: I know my brother in law did, when he was in iraq
asciilifeform: there are men strong enough to run about, climb, etc. in plate mail, yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me find you that quote re armor.
the20year: The average soldier carries about 100lbs of gear into battle, so 20lb of armor isn't a big deal. thus why the US military is testing powered armor
truffles: theyve got drones now
asciilifeform: i attended an interesting talk once by a concussion expert
the20year: And still want boots on the ground, so....
the20year: Drones can always be defeated
truffles: they look intimidating
truffles: the massive ones with legs
the20year: Oh well
mircea_popescu: From the foundation of the city till the reign of the Emperor Gratian, the foot wore cuirasses and helmets. But negligence and sloth having by degrees introduced a total relaxation of discipline, the soldiers began to think their armor too heavy, as they seldom put it on. They first requested leave from the Emperor to lay aside the cuirass and afterwards the helmet. In consequence of this, our troops in their engagemen
mircea_popescu: ts with the Goths were often overwhelmed with their showers of arrows. Nor was the necessity of obliging the infantry to resume their cuirasses and helmets discovered, notwithstanding such repeated defeats, which brought on the destruction of so many great cities. Troops, defenseless and exposed to all the weapons of the enemy, are more disposed to fly than fight. What can be expected from a foot-archer without cuirass
mircea_popescu: or helmet, who cannot hold at once his bow and shield; or from the ensigns whose bodies are naked, and who cannot at the same time carry a shield and the colors? The foot soldier finds the weight of a cuirass and even of a helmet intolerable. This is because he is so seldom exercised and rarely puts them on.
asciilifeform: he had a computer model which explained why certain - helmeted - men ended up with brain damage, while grunts in the same vehicle, sans helmet, didn't.
asciilifeform: the helmet focused the shock wave.
asciilifeform: not that armour is worthless - simply that reality is a complicated place.
truffles: or we're not that advance yet
mircea_popescu: reality may be a complicated place, but the tactical utility of printed guns is still purely imaginary.
the20year: correct
mircea_popescu: even if you get them to shoot safely, you're far far away from them shooting energetically enough to count
the20year: The real use for 3d printed guns (in the US at least) is to make ones that utilize the homebuilding law so they're not on paperwork
asciilifeform: printed crossbow could conceivably be of some use.
the20year: Why is printing important?
mircea_popescu: it's much easier to make a crossvbow than to print one
benkay: i am more convinced than i was an hour ago on the printable guns thing
the20year: tabletop CnC is cheap and you can make just about any firearm you want with one
asciilifeform: some people seems to fetishize the process of 'push a button without thinking'
mircea_popescu: i could make you one within the hour, and teach you to make one in a day
the20year: and lathes and milling machines have existed for 100 years
asciilifeform: which is why 3d printer is a mass topic at all
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ya well those people also have nil tactical utility-value.
the20year: Think about it , the first belt fed machine gun was made in the late 1800s, do you think that the technology to make it has magically disappeared?
asciilifeform: in afghanistan, in africa, blacksmiths build perfectly good ak clones with hand tools.
asciilifeform: not rocket surgery here.
the20year: COrrect
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asciilifeform: modern ammunition, on the other hand, requires industry.
the20year: How so
mircea_popescu: you can mix your own powder and make your own bullets just fine
asciilifeform: certainly, for a musket.
mircea_popescu: just reuse the casings :D
mircea_popescu: they did it in fallout!
the20year: Brass casings are reusable, gunpowder can be made cheaply/effectiely from easy to procure chemcicals , the bullet is the easiest part itself to mak
the20year: *make
benkay: yes but xbows
benkay: i am a convince.
mircea_popescu: the20year he has a point tho, in the sense of brass casingsd are reusable for a finite number of shots.
asciilifeform: primers are tricky
the20year: Plus i'm not aware of any country that has made brass cases illegal
the20year: Not exactly
the20year: Casings can last over 50 times if you download the ammo, which you will be doing anyway with homemade powder
mircea_popescu: over 50 times is finite.
the20year: Primers are easy to make, the chemical composition is 150 years old
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the20year: Well, if you want infinite, then just make your own cases
asciilifeform: if you're in a real bind, you might want to go with liquid propellant and electrical priming.
mircea_popescu: which requires some industry. is all i was saying.
the20year: Why? conventional powder and primer compound is cheap and effective
the20year: If by industry you mean a guy with a set of presses and punches, sure
asciilifeform: cheap is a tricky concept. a plastic fork is cheap, until it isn't, and is entirely unobtainable
the20year: But remember, during WW2 most ammo in the USSR was being made by giving children the tools to do it
asciilifeform: if you have to make it with your own hands
the20year: asciilifeform: $50 will get you enough priming compound to load 10,000 rounds of ammunition
asciilifeform: today. in a civilized place.
mircea_popescu: ha, since i was going through old tomes, look what a gem i found :
mircea_popescu: "Although these men differ in customs and language from those with whom they have taken refuge, and are unaccustomed too, if I may say so, to the nauseous odor of the bodies and clothing of the barbarians, yet they prefer the strange life they find there to the injustice rife among the Romans."
mircea_popescu: " So you find men passing over everywhere, now to the Goths, now to the Bagaudae, or whatever other barbarians have established their power anywhere ... We call those men rebels and utterly abandoned, whom we ourselves have forced into crime. For by what other causes were they made Bagaudae save by our unjust acts, the wicked decisions of the magistrates, the proscription and extortion of those who have turned the publ
mircea_popescu: ic exactions to the increase of their private fortunes and made the tax indictions their opportunity for plunder?"
the20year: If this is all theoretical then, just stock up on ammo if you live in the US , or reloading components
asciilifeform: the20year: this is a tremendously-popular hobby here.
the20year: what hobby? WHere is here?
asciilifeform: u.s.
the20year: Easy to buy ammo and stock up in the US
the20year: There's absolutely no reason in worrying about all this theoretical stuff, just buy cheap and stack deep if you live here
asciilifeform: the original discussion was, i think, about what could in principle be made with one's own hands, out of commonly-available raw materials
the20year: Then your answer is - Submachine guns
the20year: If you want to go the firearms route
asciilifeform: the gun is the easy part
asciilifeform: that was the point
the20year: Ammo isn't too bad if you want to set up the process ,or just make a muzzleloader
asciilifeform: muzzle-loading submachine gun?
the20year: just a muzzleloader
asciilifeform: point remains, that the military significance of 3d printer is small, while that of the hand file and forge, remains great.
the20year: Correct
the20year: The Sten and PPS-43 were both primarily made by children during ww2, and they are still being used around the world today
the20year: Both at a cost of just a few dollar (equivilent) at the time
asciilifeform: right. 'open bolt' schema is easy to manufacture, and for that (among other reasons) is forbidden in the u.s.
the20year: Up until 1980 :D
the20year: Technically, if you can find a open-bolt gun that was made prior to 1980 it's still legal
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asciilifeform: i recall reading that they're bought and sold rather like famous paintings.
asciilifeform: with traceable pedigree, etc.
the20year: It's easy to find and date them based on serial numbers, sales price is quite high though, around $2,000 for a tec-9 or 22 that sold for say $150 prior to 1980
asciilifeform: interesting
the20year: Same with guns manufactured prior to 1898 that aren't considered firearms anymore
the20year: Even though they might take modern cartridges
asciilifeform: how did it come about that they aren't considered arms?
the20year: That's just hte cutoff date
the20year: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antique_gun
ozbot: Antique gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the20year: I have a 1895 mauser that's an antique....is an absolutely awesome rifle
asciilifeform: this legal oddity rings a bell. i once wandered into an antique shop near wash. dc, and they had an Ottoman musket for sale. no paperwork, etc.
the20year: Anything prior to 1899 is legal , granted some states have other rules. Sadly the maxim and potato digger aren't covered
asciilifeform: potato digger?
the20year: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1895_Colt-Browning_machine_gun
ozbot: M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the20year: First US made machine gun
truffles: imagine if they had those back in the day
truffles: line up and spray
the20year: in what day?
the20year: They were used from the late 1800s through ww2
truffles: 1800s ?
the20year: Maxim is still being used today
truffles: ok 1600s
the20year: Well, in the 1700s you had the giardoni air rifle which was a rapid fire gun
asciilifeform: the one where the air bottle sometimes burst?
the20year: Yeah
asciilifeform: famous 'before their time' techno masterpiece...
the20year: Granted if you want to see what happens when you use line warfar against machine guns, just take a look at ww1
the20year: would have been no different than 1800s, 1700s, 1600s - massed infantry in static lines trying to take positions held by machine guns
asciilifeform: technologically-mismatched battles are a curious fetish among some people
asciilifeform: maxim against cavalry, 'drone' against rusty truck in afghanistan...
the20year: Sure, but if you're curious what happens, there's plenty of information out there on when it does ocurr
asciilifeform: maxim vs. zulu, perhaps most famously
the20year: Or italian cavalry in ww2 attacking soviet positions, a bayonette charge in iraq in 2004, the last usage of a sword in combat in vietnam , ect
asciilifeform: there are persistent rumours of a Polish ww2 lance charge against a tank column.
the20year: Rourkes drift comes pretty close to that
asciilifeform: for further anachronism value: chariots (albeit with maxim) saw plentiful action in the russian civil war.
mircea_popescu: a trained man with a sword is a better asset in close quarters than dudes with guns
the20year: Yeah
mircea_popescu: course that training is prohibitively expensive
the20year: Thus why police have the 21ft rule
asciilifeform: "an officer without a sword is improperly dressed"
mircea_popescu: so it's not really practical, from a strategic perspective. nevertheless...
asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill
ozbot: Jack Churchill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the20year: soldiers still carry bayonettes
mircea_popescu: the20year and don't know how to use them
the20year: Tell that to the scotts
mircea_popescu: i just meant generally.
the20year: I don't know , when i talked to a guy in 2003-4 about his time in Iraq, he seemed to indicate his unit trained with them. I do believe the marines still train
mircea_popescu: people all over the us train in reading and writing.
mircea_popescu: so what of it ?
nubbins`: ^ leel
nubbins`: point of the day
the20year: Eh, i'd bet money there are plenty that still could use them effectively
mircea_popescu: no argument there.
mircea_popescu: an army however is about the weakest not the strongest link
asciilifeform: if i recall, bayonet is the original 'MAD' weapon
mircea_popescu: (which is why the us army has been evolving towards smaller and smaller units as the quality of recruits sunk)
asciilifeform: in that most bayonet charges did not end with a mass perforation, but with one side fleeing
the20year: Yeah, that's been the US tradition for a while though
the20year: except in vietnam with the US army
mircea_popescu: so in the most recent rng tests for the cardano we now see Entropy = 7.999926 bits per byte.
mircea_popescu: Monte Carlo value for Pi is 3.141602161 ; Serial correlation coefficient is 0.000435
Apocalyptic: that's brutally great
mircea_popescu: i daresay this is the best 2,5mb random sample i ever did see
nubbins`: awesome
mircea_popescu: it's definitely up there.
pankkake: too good to be true, scam
nubbins`: are the final dimensions known?
mircea_popescu: for the benefit of "i can write a website too!" crowd : this is the result of removing about 14 different bias sources
asciilifeform: 2 x 3 inch.
mircea_popescu: which "weren't there" when we begun taking them out
nubbins`: ah, smaller than a business card
nubbins`: height?
asciilifeform: ~1 tall
nubbins`: aha
nubbins`: that's nice
asciilifeform: runs on a CR2450
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nubbins`: ah nice
nubbins`: those are less than a buck each in quantity
asciilifeform: correct.
nubbins`: micro-usb in?
asciilifeform: yes.
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Vexual: g'day gents
truffles: hello mate
Vexual: howzit?
truffles: alrighty mate, just sips of tea
truffles: u?
Vexual: lovely jubly
Vexual: foundation says no more 9.9k free tx
asciilifeform: didn't 'foundation' also say 'no more tx except from u.s. gov. approved addrs' ?
asciilifeform: or was that a dream
Vexual: yes, perhaps 10k wont print to a4 at the requisite font size
mircea_popescu: lol
pankkake: http://www.pidjin.net/2013/12/09/bitcoined/
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mircea_popescu: lol romanians heard of bitcoin nao ?
mircea_popescu: this is the end days.
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Apocalyptic: heh
asciilifeform: http://www.pidjin.net/2013/11/07/famous-last-words/
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Vexual: ;see...
asciilifeform: http://www.pidjin.net/2013/09/26/clean-job/
ozbot: Clean job « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic.
Vexual: standardize, protect, and promote
Vexual: different departments?
Vexual: Although Bitcoin is not anonymous by default, Bitcoin addresses were not a factor in solving the case. <from the protect dept
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Vexual: While official federal policy as developed in the agencies ... ...
Vexual: our membership does
Vexual: not rely on cable television for its information
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pankkake: ♥
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kanzure: since second market already bought 68,000 btc, why does everyone keep thinking they will see activity on mtgox etc?
Diablo-D3: +ticker
Diablo-D3: er
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
Diablo-D3: eat a dfick
truffles: Diablo-D3 ive been looking at this domestic man paleo site
truffles: so much yum
Diablo-D3: truffles: url?
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truffles: http://thedomesticman.com/2013/01/15/shirred-eggs-with-sausage-and-spinach/ site linked from food chan
ozbot: Shirred Eggs with Sausage and Spinach | The Domestic Man
Diablo-D3: you should look at http://nomnompaleo.com/ and http://paleoporn.net/ too
Diablo-D3: truffles: oh dear god
Diablo-D3: that looks delicious
truffles: i know
truffles: im thinking of what to use instead of those
truffles: or in combo's
Vexual: my quiche has too much crust :(
Vexual: caveman my arse
truffles: thinly sliced chicken maybe
truffles: did u know that watermelon rinds could be pickled!
jurov: SPAM is not Paleo lol
sbp: yeah, everybody knows SPAM is Viking
Vexual: can on
Vexual: crunchy
truffles: im just looking at easy to make stuff that isnt too fatty, not really into paleo
pankkake: too fattening you mean?
truffles: ya
truffles: gotta prepare for the xmas gain
pankkake: paleo is all about loving the good fat :)