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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00085861 = 20.5637 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: or alternatively i could hire twenty cocksucking "masseuses" for like 12 btc a season and have the porniest pro sports team in da werld
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one of these days, you ought to write 'n00b guide' to sports bets. for instance, i grew up thinking of the whole concept as a chumpatron (lusers bet, the sports meisters throw matches & pocket the chumpatronium)
peterl: didnt the "lingerie leauge" or whatever they call it try that?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, Sauget Illinois is pretty much strip clubs and nothing else
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you're exactly correct,
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That actually isn't far from the truth
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: whee, it works!!!!!
mircea_popescu: line betting is essentially someone getting in between bitbet and the luser, offering "services" and other customer supports.
mircea_popescu: copumpkin wd!
asciilifeform: ahahaa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i don't mean this stylistically. it is factually and quite mathematically exact.
copumpkin: what are these strange cxbtc things I have
mircea_popescu: copumpkin well if you had smpoe and didn't log in for a year you prolly got a buncha divs and whatnot
copumpkin: oh sweet
mircea_popescu: kinda how finance works.
copumpkin: MPOE is by far the best investment I've ever made if you count how much I paid for it and how much it has grown and BTC has grown
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SPorts betting at its essence boild down to finding players and ownership groups with such animosity towards one another that throwing the game isn't and option.
copumpkin: investment/gamble :P
mircea_popescu: so good for you.
copumpkin: better for you :)
mircea_popescu: i'm sure you can find a buncha daytrading lokhs that know way better.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like a serious amount of work to do, simply in order to make a fair gamble.
copumpkin: lol
mircea_popescu: "so far my best investment was, buy some mpex stocks and not logging in for a year"
mircea_popescu: sounds like fightin' words in forum land.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0424 = 0.848 BTC [-]
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: oh, I'm an index fund kinda guy, and I scoff at daytraders
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember my 'test drive' of mpex? that's all i did...
copumpkin scoffs at daytraders
mircea_popescu: what do we know.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It can be. While winning a bet is the best outcome, the best expectable outcome is betting on a game that provides a decent "sweat"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00085885 = 10.8645 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is an interesting point
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is a quite legitimate business endeavour. mpex is designed so that people can make their own brokerages and serve demographics on top of it.
mircea_popescu: bitbet is so made that people can run their own line books backed on it
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: growth enabling strategy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.59909839 = 2.9955 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00479 = 0.479 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: course, this shit takes professionalism (of the actual kind), so there's not that much being done so far.
peterl: copumkin: great way to invest if you have the patience to not get in your own way
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The nature of how baseball works lends a lot of games to beign interesting sweats. Less so with hockey, still far less with Handegg, and almost never does an interesting sweat come from basketball.
mircea_popescu: why is this ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: because of some intrinsic fact about the games? or mere historical happenstance?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Intrinsic facts in this ordering.
mircea_popescu: do tell ?
BingoBoingo: Baseball's offense is based on an action that at best succeeds 1/3 of the time.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0056745 = 0.1873 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Hockey similarly relys on accidental scoring.
BingoBoingo: With Handegg, generally there is a better team and that team wins.
mircea_popescu: so this makes them better sweats ?
mircea_popescu: ah cause randomness ?
BingoBoingo: With basketball pointshaving is a thing.
mircea_popescu: ;;google pointshaving
gribble: Point shaving - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_shaving>; Jo (pointshaving) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/pointshaving>; What is Point Shaving? - Basketball - About.com: <http://basketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/point-shaving.htm>
ThickAsThieves: by sweat you mean suspense?
peterl: I seem to remember reading that good baseball teams lose to bad teams more often than good basketball teams lose to bad teams
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Randomness makes more Interesting bets.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Exactly
BingoBoingo: Even the Miami Marlins win some games
mircea_popescu: oh i see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.02142205 = 0.557 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 735 @ 0.00475315 = 3.4936 BTC [-] {12}
BingoBoingo: Bets are not investments
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly, i just rewatched every given sunday earlier
mircea_popescu: miami... sharks was it ?
kakobrekla: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: Yeah. Randomness makes more Interesting bets. < that explains the just dice!
nubbins`: ^ heh
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the movie. IRL the dolphins at that level.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: The difference is dice players aren't patient enough to wait two hours to find out how they rolled.
mircea_popescu: " According to the 1999 Gambling Impact Study, an estimated $80 billion to $380 billion was illegally bet each year on sporting events in the United States. This estimate dwarfed the $2.5 billion legally bet each year in Nevada"
mircea_popescu: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00469999 = 0.5875 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "The CEO of Reddit has personally gone to bitcointalk to warn users to not invest in an IPO coin "Redditcoin" and warn they will take action if it is released."
ThickAsThieves: take action how?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, Nevada has no professional teams
kakobrekla: coingen it tat
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: imagine if technology were possible! he could simply whisper 'this turd will not bear my pgp signature' and be done.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves sue, basically.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that technology would basically be... imagine if poor people had no money.
mircea_popescu: that's all the needed technology.
ThickAsThieves: shit the last thing i need is reddit after me
ThickAsThieves: i dont have enough firsts or walls
ThickAsThieves: fists*
asciilifeform: i mean, it is a deep mystery to me why it should ever remain in doubt whether 'X endorses Y'
asciilifeform: given that we have public key crypto
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "It is of negative survival value in the context of financial collapse." << this is strictly untrue.
mircea_popescu: trustfulness is actually always positive, and much more so in stressed environments.
ThickAsThieves: so there's some kinda chatter about some bitcoin news tomorrow
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only as 'part of a balanced diet!' with a working 'Friend Or Foe' detector.
ThickAsThieves: could explain the rally
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just ver & co trying to wash the foundation thing.
kakobrekla: how ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i mean this. gedank :
ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/niccary/status/440598582551674880
ozbot: Twitter / niccary: This is going to be an exciting ...
mircea_popescu: two sets of chumps, separated by semipermeable membrane. on left, trustfull, on right untrustful chumps.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1774 @ 0.00460426 = 8.168 BTC [-] {7}
kakobrekla: maybe its theseckritbitcoinproject.io
mircea_popescu: simple minded sociopaths arise in both compartments with the same, god dictated frequency.
mircea_popescu: sociopath on trustful side easily and frictionlessly builds army, wipes other side.
ThickAsThieves: lol
mike_c: haha. from that twitter page: "@niccary @marketmakers @Bloomberg @blockchain did the price of #bitcoin go up as to insider trading?"
mircea_popescu: sociopath on trustless side wastes all his time being paul fucking atreides, wasting his time fighting the freemen leaders.
mike_c: insider trading on bitcoin!!
mike_c: moar regulations please
BingoBoingo: ;;nigger --market all
gribble: Error: "nigger" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.02216199 = 1.1081 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5801 = 1.1602 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Srry
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 673.26, vol: 64724.23883599 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 641.724, vol: 40894.4983 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 670.5, vol: 50996.06328152 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 641.018476, vol: 16685.66700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 666.9435, vol: 67.8440946 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 671.50415, vol: 431.73359996 | Volume-weighted last average: 661.927690152
ThickAsThieves: http://texasbitcoinconference.com/hackathon
ozbot: Texas Bitcoin Conference - Hackathon
ThickAsThieves: surely someone here can nab that $1m
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is correct, depending on the playing field. not everyone is inclined to build armies, though - some folks just want to kill & eat their neighbors.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00567493 = 0.1078 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it is not actually sociopathic to kill the trustful.
ThickAsThieves: "Up to 49% of your team can be remote."
mircea_popescu: basically, the story here is that statistically, the trustfull will fare better.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the strategy of the woman that goes "i like you, fuck me please" actually beats into shit the strategy of the woman that plays the aloof wallflower.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02219999 = 0.2886 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00085885 = 19.7106 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: as counterintuitive and mother-in-law-wisdom contradictory this may seem.
cazalla: wonder if gox actually deleted account and personal details as they said they would after 90 days (from memory i was 90)
asciilifeform: my first imagined picture, when reading mr. o's bit, was the demise of the dodo bird.
mike_c: cazalla: do you really wonder?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ебать его
BingoBoingo: I will write this n00b guide to sports bets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00459999 = 0.92 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00567494 = 0.1702 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but a dodo is not a chump.
BingoBoingo: And in the process teach people how to only lose 30% pr year
mircea_popescu: your own definition includes free will.
ThickAsThieves: "Iceland’s Auroracoin Passes Litecoin, Becomes Third Largest Altcoin by Market Cap" coindesk...
asciilifeform: well, the animal is often described as having had an... inadequate reaction to predators, having lives as it did without them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00459 = 0.2341 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: enky says "Auroracoin is premined, it doesnt make sense to look the marketcap"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that part is true. but it was not capable of useful work.
mircea_popescu: compare for better results the fate of various subhuman tribes encountered by europeans.
mircea_popescu: the ones that failed to suck cock rapidly, eagerly and well are now extinct.
asciilifeform: i do wonder what, if anything, has been heard of the Yanomami indians since that time when traders supplied them with shotguns...
mircea_popescu: aztecs made hernan cortes king. aztecs still exist today. sioux though it proper to oppose. sioux are gone.
BingoBoingo: Well in that case the ones who never encountered small pox before are equally extinct.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: didn't you have something about popescuity at some point?
copumpkin: I don't see it anymore :(
mircea_popescu: copumpkin yeah it was a signed message in like... 2011 ?
BingoBoingo: And the Sious did outlast the Aztecs.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how you figure ?
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: damn, I'm out of date :(
kakobrekla sends some date to copumpkin
ThickAsThieves: so i posted the link to The Last Question on facebook, and it only got Likes from jesus lovers
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00562006 = 0.1124 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Aztec descendents survived on their women's lubrication and in that course became something different. Sioux staying pure now merely sell gas for $6 per gallon to people who can't stay on the interstate.
mircea_popescu: so i've been reading stan's last post for the past fucking hour, becase you people are killing any shred of productivity.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i kinda count "Becoming something different" as survival.
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's the key to survival.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1742 @ 0.00459 = 7.9958 BTC [-]
cazalla: mike_c: not really :\ i am hopeful they did delete my ID as they said they would after i closed my account
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well it counts as personal survival, but not cultural survival. It's a mindset. A flawed one. But it is the one dominant on this continent in spite of wrongness.
mircea_popescu: cazalla all that hopeful and five dollars buys you a cup of coffee.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shitty cultures aren't going to survive anyway.
mircea_popescu: people took 25k years to come up with... pottery ? fuck them, you don't even want that shit to survive.
mircea_popescu: kind-of why the only thought the collapse of the us evokes in my head is... well... good riddance.
mircea_popescu: i'd much more regret the russians should they go, even as they've been unmitigated assholes their entire history.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The bigger problem is they had buffalo that many years and never managed to turn them into cows.
mircea_popescu: at least good novels. plus good words.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo some argument can be brought that a relative lack of readily available iron made them kind-of stone-age-bound 4ever.
mircea_popescu: imo it's a weak argument.
BingoBoingo: Wisconsin had plenty of easy Iron
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: i mean... most of yurp had no iron
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00459 = 0.8996 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sweden did, and it was enough.
BingoBoingo: The problem was they used Iron to shape flint and not the right way
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.0046 = 0.1886 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: no but i mean... nobody forbade that, you know ?
mircea_popescu: they could have shoved it up their butts too,
BingoBoingo: Still an interesting alternate history it would be if the filthy spanish did not small pox the continent and therby give the English the chance to colonize
mircea_popescu: just as long as they made some tenochtitlan steel sabres cca 1300
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/90s.jpg
mircea_popescu: he looks like such a total derp, too
BingoBoingo: I some alternate history Ohio could have been the real Afghanistan
mircea_popescu: they give stars to anyone now.
asciilifeform: 'those were the great roaring 90s, we survived as well as we could'
asciilifeform: multiple generations of derps killed their predecessors, ending with a final crop of mostly-functional beings
mircea_popescu: but tha tdouche ? srsly ?
asciilifeform: as described, in great detail, elsewhere
mircea_popescu: people are rolling in graves.
mircea_popescu: "if you give that fucking nimrod 1500 i'll shoot him on general principle"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm telling you can't be more than 20 BTC next year to take them http://www.frontierleague.com/teams/frontier-greys/
mircea_popescu: jaysus
BingoBoingo: Check the history of the town they are headquartered in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauget,_Illinois
mircea_popescu: http://www.frontierleague.com/league/transactions/ < o look, they have a bitcoin exchange
ozbot: Transactions | Frontier League
BingoBoingo: Seriously the formula should be buy a frontier league team, hire some MLB players
BingoBoingo: ???
mircea_popescu: what's OF SS etc
BingoBoingo: Profit
BingoBoingo: OF is outfield
BingoBoingo: SS is Shortstop
mircea_popescu: "The population was 249 at the 2000 census." hah
mircea_popescu: Sauget was incorporated as "Monsanto" in 1926. It was formed to provide a liberal regulatory environment and low taxes for the Monsanto chemical plants at a time when local jurisdictions had most of the responsibility for environmental rules. It was renamed in honor of Leo Sauget, its first Village President
mircea_popescu: ew
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, No one but Monsanto and strip clubs actually are in the city limits
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't buy that shit if it was free.
BingoBoingo: Well they haven't had a mayor not named Sauget in nearly a century
BingoBoingo: Fuedalism is alive and well in /Murica
mircea_popescu: The Monsanto plant in Sauget was also home to a serious accident in January 1992 when worker Charles Pritchett was critically hurt. Pritchett was caught in an auger used for moving small materials and shredding rubber. He was stuck in the auger for five hours while officials attempted to extract him. Pritchett was in a coma for three months and pronounced dead twice. Pritchett's leg was eventually amputated due to infe
mircea_popescu: ction and the severity of the mutilation. Judge C. Glenn Stevens awarded the man $16,000,000 in 1993 to compensate him. To satisfy the judgment, the Midwest Rubber Reclaiming plant and equipment owned by the Monsanto Corporation was sold at auction in August 1993. The site has since been leveled with no future prospects for development.
mircea_popescu: herp
BingoBoingo: herp, It was reclaimed for still more strip clubs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00086013 = 31.2227 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: what's a working girl make there ?
BingoBoingo: Depends on the tits and how not black she is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09099433 = 0.273 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: white c cup
mircea_popescu: 24 yo
BingoBoingo: hundreds a night if she's fat and black, thousands if the ain's fat and lighter. White C cup would prolly work in Caseyville where the money is better
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0046 = 0.1426 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00085996 = 7.3527 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Especially at 24
mircea_popescu: thousands a night ?
mircea_popescu: wow, more than most start-ups.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That East Saint Welfare
mircea_popescu: need moar #womenintech, because currently they're not fucktarded enough to work really long hours doing relaly anyoing shit for very little money.
BingoBoingo: For Srs.
mircea_popescu: fact : the ~average~ entrepreneur will not have made by age 40 as much money as the average hs floozie working the stripping joints in saget, il made.
BingoBoingo: Cause they only make 4x what then men driving the trucks make
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Most of those floozies make more than the doctors that patronize them make
mircea_popescu: not oft said enough.
BingoBoingo: And then they turn 30
BingoBoingo: Once they turn 30 some horses at Fairmount park sell their jizz for more than the floozie's going rate.
mircea_popescu: "I move that MPOE-PR be appointed supreme dictator of the Bitcoin Foundation.
mircea_popescu: Hopefully these will be the first orders of business: dissolve, disband, liquidate."
mircea_popescu: dude imagine, a chick being emperor of bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: So much fanfiction would happen
asciilifeform: why the hell not
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: you two answered each other.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Does Hanna have thoughts on these developments? Other than "finally" and oter breif quips?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to ask her i guess.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.00469999 = 1.1233 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9004 @ 0.00086034 = 7.7465 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Eh, I don't go on Bitcointalk that often anymoar
BingoBoingo: I also have to do this paper on n00b sportbetting for asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: And find ALL of the satoshi communications
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not direly essential, i think i got the basic idea from your summary
BingoBoingo: Ans still try to double those ATC holding
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, n00bs don't read -assets so I might as well write it for them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.0047 = 0.3619 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 436 @ 0.0047 = 2.0492 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not wasted effort, writing things up
mircea_popescu: "The last time the Chicago Cubs won a World Series, the Ottoman Empire still existed."
BingoBoingo: And that is why I try not to travel futher north than I-70
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22230 @ 0.00086215 = 19.1656 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: And Cubs fans drink this swill called "Old Style" which isn't strong enough to be a malt liquor or palatable enough to be a beer.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cultural, educational: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: clearly military brothels aren't what they used to be
BingoBoingo: As I write the noob sports betting article, I'd like to open a quick survey. What team would people pick to take the World Series this year?
mircea_popescu: lol the churkin performance at the un is pretty lulzy
asciilifeform: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i couldn't name a tea,
mircea_popescu: check that out, they only got 1% ish respond to mobilization orders ?
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mircea_popescu: people all derping around about war. if a general mobilization order issued by the ukraine is ignored so, who the fuck is going to go to war ? france ?
mircea_popescu: maybe if they make the war 4 hours a day and everyone the same height.
asciilifeform: 'make w0r in your sp4r3 t1m3'
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bmo-customer-s-account-emptied-of-87k-as-bank-falls-for-scam-1.2555647
ozbot: BMO customer's account emptied of $87K as bank falls for scam - British Columbia - CBC News
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: When I wrote the electric boogaloo bet, France's boots were the ones I imagined solving it as Yes
nubbins`: BMO = canada's 4th-largest bank
mircea_popescu: how did you think that one
BingoBoingo: Or Sardinia's boots
mircea_popescu: nubbins` pretty funny.
ThickAsThieves: i'd bet on the Red Sox
ThickAsThieves: but i'm from there
ThickAsThieves: which i suppose is relevant
ThickAsThieves: sweat factor n all
BingoBoingo: Nah, Players as old as big Pappi don't get consecutive good seasons
ThickAsThieves: oh i dont watch baseball anymore
ThickAsThieves: only when i worked at a newspaper
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: And this is why you follow AsicMiner and not things more interesting to drink to.
ThickAsThieves: i dont drink really
ThickAsThieves: other than for the taste sometimes
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: And your lack of drinking is why you care about shit like ASICMiner
ThickAsThieves: once i fell out of it, it just makes me sleepy and feel crappy
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Building a habit takes work
BingoBoingo: So does building an addiction
ThickAsThieves: i put plenty time in during my 20s
ThickAsThieves: i get bored with everything eventually
BingoBoingo: For some reason I suspect your 20's weren't very roaring...
ThickAsThieves: i'm even bored with getting bored with things
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Maybe it is time to see what Abercrombie tastes like?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wow, orlov is pro moscow ?!
ThickAsThieves: i ahev my stories
BingoBoingo: What would Hemmingway do?
mircea_popescu: how the hell does that work ? just because he dislikes the usg ?
ThickAsThieves: arrests, fights, etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not exactly - mostly anti-u.s./'international community'
asciilifeform: or rather, anti-anglo
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: I'm still out on bail since last spring
mircea_popescu: but it can't seriously be contemplated ukrainians'd fare better under putin than under merkel
mircea_popescu: or is it ?
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: well then
mircea_popescu: i mean... eu in no way means anglo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: under merkel << time for a 'joke'
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/how-synthetic-identity-fraud-costs-canada-1b-a-year-1.2554429
ozbot: How 'synthetic' identity fraud costs Canada $1B a year - Canada - CBC News
BingoBoingo: Oh, In simple western terms mircea_popescu takes a 180 from IRC mircea
asciilifeform: russian derper: 'if we'd let the jerries win, we'd be riding in mercedes benz now!' ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo huh ?
asciilifeform: counter-derper: 'as the leather seats' ☟︎☟︎
nubbins`: "In one case, Kelly suspects the person used in the scheme had poor English skills and, through miscommunication, wrote down what he believed was the fake name he was supposed to use, which was apparently flashing across his computer screen. This fake identity went on to have an effective credit rating, a driver’s licence, bank accounts, a telephone and an apartment (with renter’s insurance). And
nubbins`: all under the name: Server Froze."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol
mircea_popescu: server froze is actrually not a bad name
mircea_popescu: for a lead vocal of a postpunk band
nubbins`: certainly, mister froze
nubbins`: just sign here
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Twitter you sounds rather pro-Putin IRC you sounds rather fuck everybody. Unfortunatly people miss the Trilema you fuck everybody needs to be literal
mircea_popescu: it's mister server
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm not pro putin in any sense. it's just that most of the people ending up in my feed are english speaking propaganda agents
mircea_popescu: so i tend to give them a hard time
nubbins`: vladimir poutine
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: wouldn't be able to take the guy seriously if he wasn't such a fucking hardass
mircea_popescu: he's a pretty decent hardass.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like reaganesque i guess
ThickAsThieves: kenna says hi! http://www.moneyandtech.com/mar3-news-update/
mircea_popescu: still tryin' huh.
mircea_popescu: why can't he just make an altcoin like any well behaved scammer and fade into the bitbucket.
asciilifeform: orlov's view seems to be that usg/nato/allies wreck countries (near east, etc.) to retard development -> to throttle resource consumption, create captive markets a la the brits at their peak, churn mil. inventory, 'controllable chaos' to feed various parasites.
asciilifeform: this is by no means an uncommon view.
mircea_popescu: it's not factually correct tho.
BingoBoingo: Well, it is important to remember that a lot of what made Reagan Reaganesque was his Buffet like dementia
mircea_popescu: what examples do we have ? hungary, slovenia, slovakia, czech, poland, romania, bulgaria, take your pick ?
BingoBoingo: Eh, why not pick on the polaks?
BingoBoingo: They had Ukraine first.
mircea_popescu: all these countries re-industrialised after the soviet collapse.
mircea_popescu: kinda indifferent which you pick
asciilifeform: did they?
asciilifeform: i suppose it depends on what you think of as 'industry'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For values of first not == Mongols
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what'd you consider a fair measure ?
ThickAsThieves: LTC hit hard on AUR news
mircea_popescu: romania finished 2 nucelar reactors that the soviets/local commies tried to get going for 15 years, and now exports electricity.
mircea_popescu: is this a measure ?
asciilifeform: sure.
mircea_popescu: i really could keep on going.
asciilifeform: other cases (latvia) not so hot.
mircea_popescu: latvia is a very small unfortunate plot of land tho
asciilifeform: main export, unskilled labour
mircea_popescu: i mean... some geographical zones will just die out if trade barriers go away
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't say washington wrecked detroit per se would you /
BingoBoingo: Oh, Washington destroyed Detroit.
asciilifeform: why not
mircea_popescu: well because in that sense you could as well say i did it.
kakobrekla: oh lol
kakobrekla: >BitcoinNotBombs co-founder Davi Barker was stopped in the Manchester, NH airport by TSA agents demanding to search is bags for Bitcoins. Barker was traveling with Bitcoin related merchandise, namely metal pins with Bitcoin labels on them, which he believes is what confused the TSA agents, who didn’t seem to understand what Bitcoin actually is. Barker was eventually allowed to continue to his flight.
BingoBoingo: Detroit would be thriving if that false flag agent did not smash Patton with a jeep
ThickAsThieves: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=bitcoin+
ozbot: bitcoin - Wolfram|Alpha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07500001 = 0.15 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or if they bombed japan more generouslky.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla honestly the thing reads to me like attentionseeking behaviour.
ThickAsThieves: "The purpose of this wallet is to provide cold storage level security with close to web wallet convenience."
mircea_popescu: so the customs searched his bags. it's what customs do.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Japan doesn't count. Fake Gox BTC, Fake COuntry
BingoBoingo: Or Cuntry
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: smash Patton with a jeep << https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/ConspirThx.htm
mircea_popescu: they're not obliged nor reasonably expected to go "o heh heh bitcoin heh heh" just so random beavis feels tehy connected.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah well afaik toyota etc is what sunk detroit.
kakobrekla: i cant judge whats true or whats not just whats written
asciilifeform: 'Patton, like Douglas MacArthur, was an unfortunate mixture of personal courage, technical brilliance and toxic personality, and like MacArthur, a role model to three generations of mediocrities who equate pomp and nitpicking with excellence.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and as far as parasites go... russia definitely takes the cake. their (putin's) recovery model pretty much relies on parasites
mircea_popescu: nttawwt
mircea_popescu: jesus wtf.
mircea_popescu: who dares slurry the name of Gen Pissintherhine!
kakobrekla: it does remind me of nefarios travel to usa though.
kakobrekla: that was epic.
mircea_popescu: only took him 30 hours to fail ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the parasites in the summary being the various u.s. 'aid' busybodies who feast on the festering corpses of countries zapped by 'international community'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well unlike McArthur Patton was good at being crazy good at his job.
mircea_popescu: "i have 38 dollars, 15 pakistani liras, scottish food stamps and i will be here one month but is all ok"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of them being you know, owners of uk football clubs.
BingoBoingo: Fuck I need a time machine
Mats_cd03: im a big fan of tom ricks' view of how the ukraine will turn out
Mats_cd03: http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/03/03/ukraine_call_me_a_crazy_optimist_but_i_think_that_in_the_long_run_putin_and_his_kle
ozbot: Ukraine: Call me a crazy optimist, but I think that in the long run, Putin and his kleptocratic pals
BingoBoingo: We just need to advance civilization to RoboKleptocracy already and be done with it
mod6: arnt we alreday there?
Mats_cd03: putin is avon barksdale
BingoBoingo: mod6: Nah, robots still steal for people. We need robots to steal for the sake of theft being fun
asciilifeform: 'orc culture 101.' in the lands of the orcs, when 'human' shows up and says 'we can have government without corruption!' what people hear is 'if we'd let the jerries win, we could be in a mercedes benz. but it isn't too late! and if we end up as the seats, that's our place'
mod6: BingoBoingo: ahh
Mats_cd03: a younger, more handsome negro will surely replace him one day
asciilifeform: like that chinese fellow who wrote that his country ought to be colonized for 300 years before it can be considered 'civilized'
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Pharrel?
asciilifeform: and thrown in oubliette for his troubles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00465108 = 0.1535 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: now a brit, french, or one of us - might agree! but who expects the chinese crown to agree.
asciilifeform: you'd have to be an idiot
mircea_popescu: as if anyone could be bothered to colonize china.
asciilifeform: or a traitor, sure of protection from his foreign master
mircea_popescu: if every able bodied white guy did nothing but rape chinese women from now on to the rest of his life,
mircea_popescu: it still wouldn't be done
BingoBoingo: I dunno china takes order well, also heroin well
asciilifeform: 'colonize' doesn't have to mean 'administer british-style'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.043249 = 0.173 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: could also mean 'biodiesel'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but that's the point. you'd have to somehow teach them to stop taking order.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, that's not colonize for srsly.
asciilifeform: or mrs. thatcher's 'we need no more than 15 mil. russians. to service the pipeline.' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lol she actually said that ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll say now that i was never able to track down an authoritative proof of this.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, you start an IRL Breaking Bad spinoff, call it "The Real Empire Business" All of a sudden you have a nation of 2 billion central kentucky hillbillies
asciilifeform: but, to 50% of russian-speaking people, she may as well have said it
mircea_popescu: ya well...
asciilifeform: (there is also no proof that stalin spoke the famous 'no man no problem')
asciilifeform: but he might as well have
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in stalin's case, the proof is in the picture
asciilifeform: (or 'million deaths is a statistic, one death a tragedy')
mircea_popescu: (that famous one, on the river side)
btcleaker: <-- Insider with ground breaking tip. Shoot mail @ leakerbitcoin@forward.cat for more info
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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
mircea_popescu: sigh
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BingoBoingo: leaker quit too soon to get mocked
mircea_popescu: how fucking retarded are kids today ? if you're an insider you need to introduce yourself ?
mircea_popescu: wait, over 600 already ?
asciilifeform: spam'n'scram
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Very retarded see 2bitIdjit for deets
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Over 600 since MPOE resolved
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 99 @ 0.0062001 = 0.6138 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: heh.
BingoBoingo: For February
mircea_popescu: if i fucking have a heart attack "suddenly" you're all screwed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21431 @ 0.00086292 = 18.4932 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 144 @ 0.00462948 = 0.6666 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: cokea btw, here's a pro tip : using random seven proxies is not enough
mircea_popescu: we still can tell.
cokea: wat
nubbins`: .cat?
cokea: I'm a better troll than that
cokea: Frozenway is a known VPN mircea_popescu
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 29 @ 0.00605506 = 0.1756 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: nubbins` supposedly catalan
mircea_popescu: tey're running out of gimmicks.
nubbins`: interesting
nubbins`: didn't know non-us countries got 3-letter TLDs
nubbins`: not that it's a country
mircea_popescu: what the web really needs is a .derp
nubbins`: can you imagine the gold rush on that?
mircea_popescu: srsly.
BingoBoingo: cokea: So what brings you here? ENlightenment?
BingoBoingo: cokea: Do you write for wired?
nubbins`: 3-letter .derp domain for sale, 5k btc
cokea: viagra spam BingoBoingo
cokea: you got that for me BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: cokea: Nah kakobrekla would have caught that.
mircea_popescu: " So, now we are threatening to start World War Three because Russia is trying to control the chaos in a failed state on its border — a state that our own government spooks provoked into failure?"
mircea_popescu: dude how the fuck is the ukraine a failed state
BingoBoingo: cokea: Sometime I am drunk. SOmetimes I am stupid. You didn't catch me here while drunk, so...
mircea_popescu: what are htese people all about.
punkman1: mircea_popescu: you can have .derp for like $200k
cokea: BingoBoingo: I'm also mining manually
mircea_popescu: it's like everyone has nothing better to do than ride the hyperbolae.
btcleak: Guess who's back
nubbins`: you?
mircea_popescu: punkman1 maybe once i'm older.
BingoBoingo: cokea: Must be some serious carpal tunnel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how the fuck is the ukraine a failed state << exactly same way as the u.s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno. last i visited i had a ton of fun.
mircea_popescu: by comparison, ny was boring as fuck.
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Want some real insider leaks?
Multivac: btcleak is tiberius! I hope.
asciilifeform: bankrupt, serious ethnic split, little to no history as an actual nation... dead industry
mircea_popescu: ;;google man pissing, urethal sounds
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asciilifeform: subject beaten to death elsewhere
mircea_popescu: ^ insider leak
btcleak: I got the hottest chili ever BingoBoingo Multivac
BingoBoingo: ;;ud sound docking
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sound%20Docking | The act of inserting one's penis into another man's urethra. See also Sounding and Docking.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Sound Docking
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, it doesn't seem failed at all to me.
mircea_popescu: solmalia is a failed state.
btcleak: I guess I'd be better off scamming tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6329 @ 0.00086085 = 5.4483 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: afghanistan, as pumped by the us is a failed state.
BingoBoingo: Prolly better ROI
mircea_popescu: perhaps iraq too. arguably.
btcleak: ya
nubbins`: Multivac: i read a story about you today
asciilifeform: currently trying to confirm or refuse a certain interesting rumour ☟︎
btcleak: Mine isn't a rumor
btcleak: It comes from the man himself
BingoBoingo: btcleak: THis chan largely gave up on Gox 9 months ago. Unless Gox had a baby we don't much care; unless paternity test.
asciilifeform: that yanukovych was in the process of selling vast tracts of land in u. to the chinese
asciilifeform: to be farmed to exhaustion
btcleak: lol fuck gox BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: (as they are presently doing elsewhere)
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i used to know a lot of freaks, some of whom were into sounding (not sound docking)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seeing how i never heard a peep of this until AFTER the troubles, i'd say it's propaganda
asciilifeform: if true, it's a bit of a 'pox on both houses'
BingoBoingo: btcleak: So you have some credentials? SOme history?
asciilifeform: given that, after a russian victory, the process (if actual) will likely re-start
mircea_popescu: good land is in the west anyway
btcleak: BingoBoingo: I'm some random guy
mircea_popescu: or am i confused ?
asciilifeform: center.
BingoBoingo: btcleak: So am I
btcleak: or else I would make you pay forward for the info not after it happens
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo after one makes /. first page no longer random
asciilifeform: west u. is a kind of mournful shithole similar to certain u.s. 'red states'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: prolly ture
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: OMG, BingoBoingo is more real than Firstname Lastname
mircea_popescu: what's "Farmed to exhaustion" mean anyway.
BingoBoingo: Imma have to read some Sartre
mircea_popescu: modern agriculture uses soil as substrate, plants are fed oil.
nubbins`: nevermind sartre, read some hugh pickens
nubbins`: ;p
btcleak: Sartre is a faggot BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as an agricultural equivalent of 'strip mining'
btcleak: and a shitty writer BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Maybe Imma faggot gonna wear your anus around my clit?
btcleak: shitty writer sartre
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. and everyone is practicing it.
mircea_popescu: and has been
mircea_popescu: for over 50 years.
btcleak: hey mircea_popescu
btcleak: I am so in love with you that I want to give you the info for free
BingoBoingo: btcleak: I am dealing with a real existential crisis where Immaginary me is bigger than actual me.
mircea_popescu: got tits ?
btcleak: I can grow some for you
mircea_popescu: so grow some tits and give me your titlove for free.
BingoBoingo: btcleak: I would like if you gave me your anus and 15 minutes of time to sort out my feelings.
btcleak: I will BingoBoingo
btcleak: LOL this info is funny
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.00086367 = 78.7667 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: i wonder how the various ws folk will adapt to this chan in the coming years.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They adapt or die
btcleak: you mean when bitcoin ponzi disappear?
mircea_popescu: yeah but it'll be interesting.
mircea_popescu: btcleak btc ponzis can not disappear.
mircea_popescu: they haven't disappeared in fiat yet
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Protip: Bing the lube or I'll make the lube
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea was that this (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/04619a7a-5da2-11e3-95bd-00144feabdc0.html) transport project would ship the resulting goods home.
mircea_popescu: o o that
btcleak: lol it will mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: isn't that an old nazis did it story ?
btcleak: bitcoin is a shit technology
asciilifeform: i've no conclusive evidence! i live in an entirely different failed state, on other side of atlantic ocean.
btcleak: who are the rich faggots here
BingoBoingo: btcleak: What ridiculous tech do you advance? LISP Machines?
btcleak: I need to make a deal regarding my info
mircea_popescu: this kunstler.com thing reads like alex jones in a different cape.
btcleak: BingoBoingo: auto fleshlights
btcleak: mircea_popescu redirect me to the rich folks
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Make your case.
mircea_popescu: go pester ver. he may have 18 btc or so left.
asciilifeform: http://www.apk-inform.com/en/news/1025846
ozbot: Ukraine: Council of Ministers of Crimea and Chinese companies agreed to jointly construct a grain te
asciilifeform: etc.
BingoBoingo: Or in the words of fiddy, get rich or dy trying
btcleak: fuck 18 btc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it a little nutty to extrapolate based on that ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: romania has a grain terminal in constanta large enough to ship the ukraine whole
asciilifeform: a not entirely-implausible scenario, though.
mircea_popescu: still... it's just a terminal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.0008621 = 14.1384 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: btcleak: I may or may not have 300 kbtc. If you offer news that gets a response from me other than nigga, maybe you get 20BTC
asciilifeform: http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/25/countries-like-china-want-foreign-farm-land/ ☟︎
ozbot: Why China Wants (and Needs) Foreign Farm Land – News Watch
btcleak: lol BingoBoingo
btcleak: I have a confirmed news that is happening in a 2 weeks time frame
BingoBoingo: Nigga please btcleak
asciilifeform: ' The deal will funnel $2.6 billion into Ukraine annually for the next 50 years. China will also send seeds and fertilizer, as well as build some vital infrastructure in Crimea...'
asciilifeform: sept. 25, 2013
nubbins`: big oil popeline terminates in constanta as well, no?
nubbins`: lel popeline
mircea_popescu: so this is somehow a bad thing ?
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Maybe we don't care about foundation jacking off and jizzing?
btcleak: some good shit to be short on
mircea_popescu: this is what the ukraine does, farms for export.
mircea_popescu: since what, 1820
btcleak: who cares of foundation BingoBoingo
nubbins`: btcleak nobody gives a fuck about your news :(
BingoBoingo: btcleak: I dunno? Nigas?
btcleak: nubbins`: yes you love me
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somehow a bad thing ? << we'll see when it revvs up
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: notice that if china merely wanted to buy the existing agri output, it easily could
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Id I didn't short in Sept 2009 why would I short nao?
asciilifeform: but no, they want to buy land, ship in own agrichemistry, etc
mircea_popescu: ukraine has one of the fucking worst productivities in the world.
asciilifeform: gotta wonder why
mircea_popescu: do you know what they got per hectare in 2012 ?
nubbins`: 1btc
mircea_popescu: something like 1800kgs
mircea_popescu: they could easily get 4k+
asciilifeform: by 'burning the candle at both ends', no?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Parts of Ukraine have great productivity, other parts suck though. Ukraine is an odd mix of Kansas and Arizona
asciilifeform: as the chinese are suspected of planning
mircea_popescu: well no, by fucking farming properly.
BingoBoingo: ^^
mircea_popescu: they don't even plow half the time
asciilifeform: that's kinda how you keep the thing going, no?
asciilifeform is not an agronomist
mircea_popescu: http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2011/11/08/186900-a-man-and-a-horse-plough-up-the-field-near-the-village-of-bugayvka-som.jpg
mircea_popescu: i r not kid you.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, you plow all of the time, even during fallow years
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a difference between fingerfucking and fucking a girl.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5851 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: as long as you don't actually use your knee it doesn't harm her in any way
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily, that horse scene is my father's main memory of his visit to Ro. in the early '80s!
mircea_popescu: well yeah, but meanwhile ro industrialised
mircea_popescu: cause eu capital.
asciilifeform: right
mircea_popescu: ukraine has to do the same thing somehow
mircea_popescu: i guess htey're stuck with chinese capital
asciilifeform: well, the east still has the sov. era industry going, sort of.
mircea_popescu: on the face of things this is all sensible, is what i'm saying. i dun see the big threat
asciilifeform: there wouldn't have been a wankfest if the west u. folks didn't 'go full bore latvian' and decree a 'lowering into prison bitch' of the rus. half
BingoBoingo: If 'Murica can Industrialize so can Ukraine, http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/raptor-ii
asciilifeform: 'language exams', etc
BingoBoingo: I am a pole and so can you
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what the tension was, exactly.
asciilifeform: it was a foolish declaration of chimp war, egged on by the u.s
mircea_popescu: there defo was some sort of tension
asciilifeform: as described by mr.o
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, you can't do that from outside.
BingoBoingo: 2001 was a Chimp war kakobrekla can attest
asciilifeform: you do it from inside
mircea_popescu: it's some sexual pathology that's at the root of it.
asciilifeform: using 'ngo
asciilifeform: '
mircea_popescu: nah
kakobrekla: lol BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: if ngos worked then white chicks wouldn't be raped five times a year on average in south africa today
BingoBoingo: Fucking ass Monoliths
asciilifeform: and by dropping hints that you'll support rebels
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo looks like ukraine needs one
asciilifeform: (see, e.g. mr saakashvili)
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I might have one in the garage. Would you escrow the sale of a monolith to the unidentified gunmen?
kakobrekla: better sleep on that one.
BingoBoingo: I need to get rid of this monolith because the squirrels are starting to play nigga golf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4206 @ 0.00086085 = 3.6207 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i tell you, to me this sounds like thje proposition that a bank can provoke a divorce
BingoBoingo: They've gone black, soon they won't come back
BingoBoingo: Also I'd like the garage opener to work instead of returning "err: All of Jupiter's moons are yours except Europa"
BingoBoingo: Annoying ass cargo cult technology
asciilifeform: attempt no parking there.
btcleak: brb niggers
BingoBoingo: Fucking it. Imma load up a space trolley full of ford escorts and make parking there
mircea_popescu: is ford escort slang for a black stripper with lobster tail ?
nubbins`: yeah
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Unfortunatley not
nubbins`: rob ford likes lobster
nubbins`: and tail
BingoBoingo: When I was in high school an acquainance from the boonies came from a family with a surplus of ford passengar cars.
BingoBoingo: The family did things out of boredom like fit dump truck motors into passenger coupes
nubbins`: hah
BingoBoingo: And nao their kid can't fly aero planes
BingoBoingo: Not after that great 4th of july party
BingoBoingo: WHere they turned a ford into a firework barge
BingoBoingo: Eh, though. Live and let dies.
BingoBoingo: Even though the kid fit dump truck power in hatchback confines
nubbins`: fiesta tow truck
mircea_popescu: nah this is nuts. there's not going to be any "de-nazifying" of anything, wtf.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well it was a 94 escort and an 88 F-OMNGWTFBBQ Super DUty
nubbins`: i like it
nubbins`: always wanted to hide a muscle car inside a shitbox chassis
nubbins`: this is even better
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I have no idea if it is still
BingoBoingo: Haven't seen the kid since '06
nubbins`: man, david byrne doesn't stop singing about food, does he?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The moral of the story before police get involved is that no, torque alone does not make you fast.
nubbins`: oh, of course not
nubbins`: just like the idea of surprises under the hood
nubbins`: whether it be something that can smoke a cop car or something that can tow a fleet of em
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, and wtf do you do for transmission
diametric: evening gents
BingoBoingo: Well last time I saw him I introduced him to a girl who was good at the dick sucking and wanted to sell a Dodge neon.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You half ass the transmission
mircea_popescu: so it'll do... 60mph ?
mircea_popescu: except... real easy ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hopefully
mircea_popescu: even at say 30% inclines ?
BingoBoingo: Two bolts plus a crankshaft
mircea_popescu: ok that'll prolly blow
BingoBoingo: Only blow so often though
mircea_popescu: you know there's a reason detached semi heads are run a certain way
mircea_popescu: too light spells trouble
BingoBoingo: Of course
mircea_popescu: diametric heya
BingoBoingo: The early 1990's though inherited a lot of the ethos of the 1980's where any motor by a company should work with any transmission
mircea_popescu: yeah, because this is how it works in mechanics.
mircea_popescu: also any roman candle should work with any asshole.
copumpkin: lol
BingoBoingo: I may have tested that last one...
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd love to see the hand-made transmission some afficionado made to allow a dump truck engine in his thunderbird
mircea_popescu: because such a thing COULD be done, and it'd probably be awesome.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do you want me to give you some email addresses?
mircea_popescu: lol noty.
mircea_popescu: but pix if you have them.
BingoBoingo: I know someone not on a no fly list who does that for their Demo cars
mircea_popescu: also since we're talking shafts :
mircea_popescu: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/crisis-in-south-africa-the-shocking-practice-of-corrective-rape--aimed-at-curing-lesbians-9033224.html
ozbot: Crisis in South Africa: The shocking practice of 'corrective rape' - aimed at 'curing' lesbians - A
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this ever actually worked.
mircea_popescu: "i used to kinda not like doing it with men, but then these dudes fucked me really roughly and now i'm like all fixed"
dub: i've had rough sex with a lesbian
mircea_popescu: without asking her ?
mircea_popescu: "I used to sleep under a bridge, not eat, just cry. I hanged myself; it was on a Monday. I took pills, took alcohol, drank cleaning appliances and then hanged myself. But God said, 'It is not your time'."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So are you asking if someone can deliver to you a thundrbird with a dump truck motor or asking for opinions whether or not it can be done?
mircea_popescu: i was more like idly trolling for pics
dub: she was into it, unkown if it cured her muff addiction
mircea_popescu: why would you want to cure such a thing anyway
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The one big example I say in person was well before I had a computer with more than two colors on its monitor much less a digital camera.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i imagine because of the limitations of alloys you'd prolly end up with rather complex coggery
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the first example I saw ended its life because the operator insisted on running it on Jet A fuel
MisterE: http://storify.com/billmon1/the-ukrainian-grand-delusion
MisterE: war will be good for BTC
mircea_popescu: there shall be no war.
MisterE: its already over
mircea_popescu: pretty much
MisterE: Putin won
nubbins`: wait
nubbins`: she drank cleaning appliances?
BingoBoingo: MisterE: It isn't over but it isn't a war
nubbins`: like what, a vacuum cleaner?
MisterE: thought that was a musical insturment
mircea_popescu: nubbins` she means bleach
nubbins`: guess it affected her language center
MisterE: drinking bleach is the most retarded thing to do
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is Romania left or right hand drive?
MisterE: you will never die
mircea_popescu: left
nubbins`: ;;seen bloctoc
gribble: bloctoc was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 22 hours, 31 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <bloctoc> It will help government determine the size of the bailout required
BingoBoingo: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 3 hours, 30 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
bloctoc: nubbins' looking for me?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00086121 = 12.4014 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So one estimate request got a response already "Depends on the dump truck motor. Are you talking about a standard Volvo or cummins diesel? Or are you talking about a larger super industrial engine? Any motor can be out in any car. All it takes is a torch, welder, and some good math."
mircea_popescu: haha
mircea_popescu: you probably shouldn't hustle these good people, they probably have productive stuff to do with their tiem
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, if you want a new car to be chauffered in...
nubbins`: just pinging! any luck w/ eulora?
BingoBoingo: Left hand drive
BingoBoingo: I pinged a party with earnest experience in the matter.
artifexd: No. Stuck on cel3d right now.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not rly. about to move here anyway.
nubbins`: ah
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So Argentina plan is underway?
mircea_popescu admires how we've picked the most persnickety software stack imaginable, apparently.
nubbins`: ah, it's not so bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00086059 = 26.291 BTC [-] {2}
MisterE: How does a Roma know a word like persnickety?
MisterE: hardly european
copumpkin: mircea_popescu knows all
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is moving?
KRS-One: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.006001 = 0.12 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta see the world.
mircea_popescu: 2015 mp conference won't be in timisoara, that's for sure.
BingoBoingo: Well Bingo Leaks remember Argentine apartements being quoted specificaly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21278 @ 0.00085872 = 18.2718 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: neat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12163 @ 0.00085739 = 10.4284 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Well going to South America would make an incredibly torqued T-Bird easier to deliver
dignork: Lol, got it from ukranian friends: http://imgur.com/ja0PCoE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83287 @ 0.00085643 = 71.3295 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: dignork: STFU, none of those people have patches. They could be self defense units.
dignork: BingoBoingo, i know, still funny
BingoBoingo: dignork: Eat a dick, I am waiting for serious news, not more black ops OMGWTFBBQ dickign around.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00085472 = 22.3082 BTC [-] {3}
copumpkin: these MPOE sales aren't me, I promise
copumpkin: just because I have my key back doesn't mean I'm dumping!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: serious news << like a French invasion?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: French or Sardinian work. Those new Raphaels are pretty hot shit.
dignork: BingoBoingo, gosh, it was a joke, i have friends on both sides too.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why not Spanish? Chinese?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They weren't in Crimea I. French, British or Sardinian, baby that's what I need.
asciilifeform: you left out turks.
BingoBoingo: dignork: Hard to communicate umor over text without being permissive isn;t it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.00466001 = 0.6291 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Turks would be forced into the same role, Black Sea gatekeepers
BingoBoingo: ATM unless Turks decide otherwise the black sea is only for countries with Black sea borders
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 38 @ 0.006 = 0.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04324997 = 0.1297 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Pretty much the same role the Ottmans professed to hold
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 187 @ 0.00597994 = 1.1182 BTC [-] {2}
Multivac: According to Deadline, the White House has recommended that the Supreme Court rule against Aereo when broadcasters bring its service to trial this April.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0436663 = 0.131 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I almost atm respect MRBigg the Ripple and Bearshare shill over Obama
dignork: BingoBoingo, not really, sarcasm is a tricky one
BingoBoingo: He nevar hid his hollywood shillness
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00086187 = 9.8684 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: romania invades, takes over odessa
asciilifeform: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz don't blow away the other cute cherub statue
asciilifeform: in my old apt.
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: Plz take little Egypt next
mircea_popescu: ROMANIA TAKES IT ALL
BingoBoingo: Missouri smells bad and we are tired of being neighbors
mircea_popescu: Multivac hwo the fuck is this white house to "recommend" wtf.
BingoBoingo: Mardigras weekend just happened and everything to the west smells like piss
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: always wondered, what % piss by volume, is... Ganges river.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02120003 = 0.1696 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (assuming it is a physically meaningful question)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the Ganges river case I'd guess at least 15%
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all surface water has been pissed on average four times
BingoBoingo: Maybe some inbound amonium gets caught in clays, but...
asciilifeform: well, that.
BingoBoingo: Consider the Illinois river is mostly an untreated sewer flowing from Chicago and manages to support sufficient silver carp that baseball bats and armor are the prefered means for fishish them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00085702 = 35.0521 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43492 @ 0.00085456 = 37.1665 BTC [-] {3}
MisterE: Russia has been in control down there forever already
copumpkin: omg MPOE selloff
MisterE: they just 'formalizing' it
copumpkin panic-sells
MisterE: yea?
asciilifeform: MisterE: in Chicago?
asciilifeform: did i sleep through something?
MisterE: well it's chicage
MisterE: Russians would be just another gang of thugs :p
MisterE: you'd outlast them
MisterE: no I'm saying the Crimea
BingoBoingo: MisterE: You mean they wouldn't outlast the Northside Polaks
MisterE: russia already controlled it
BingoBoingo: Oh, not Chicago talk
MisterE: what do the Turks have to say?
MisterE: that will be key
BingoBoingo: Dunno any Chicago Turks
BingoBoingo: Are the Turks gonna let the Sardinians ty to force Crimea to trade again?
MisterE: I know there's a lot of history there and I don't know enough of it
MisterE: basically lots of stacks of bodies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46443 @ 0.00085431 = 39.6767 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27844 @ 0.0008541 = 23.7816 BTC [-] {2}
copumpkin: quit selling all the MPOE!
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:16f67849951a6df2a9d019751e36e2526e1fc6309219382aedc8d87e
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
benkay: !l m mpoe
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
BingoBoingo: Watching Karl Urban in Almost Human I have to wonder... Why not just a Judge Dread serial?
benkay: !h
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
BingoBoingo: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 14170 BTC profit, 40.6k BTC invested, 762.97 mio bets, 5.06 mio BTC wagered
benkay: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00085369 / 0.00085835 / 0.00086433 (1018179 shares, 873.96 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00086217 / 0.00088851 (8430211 shares, 7,268.32 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087418 / 0.00094153 (29592229 shares, 25,868.96 BTC)
benkay: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0008541 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: You got a Bitcoin Stick?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00543999 = 0.1034 BTC [+] {5}
benkay: walk softly and carry a bitcoin stick.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5496175#msg5496175
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
mircea_popescu: and the plot trickens
BingoBoingo: Trickens because BTC in itself now has gotten boring
BingoBoingo: Gutten Borrin
BingoBoingo: Here be the Bitten Coins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.0008493 = 20.2558 BTC [-] {2}
cokea: i am good
cokea: i was quoted by the WSJ for a troll post
cokea: good life
Multivac: Alert! Alert! MPOE-PR trying to destroy the Bitcoin!
diametric: asciilifeform: finally found some pods for those logic analyzers i got.
asciilifeform: diametric: neato! where ?
diametric: ebay, some showed up finally, though almost all of them are way overpriced. $50-$150, found one for $10 though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00466023 = 0.2656 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: diametric: drop a photo of the priceless antique here, for the others
diametric: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-HEWLETT-PACKARD-1651B-LOGIC-ANALYZER-/221036512792
diametric: I own two of these beautiful machines
diametric: but no pods.
diametric: well until i get it hopefully next week
asciilifeform: ought to post a pic of operating unit
asciilifeform: it's well worth seeing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59988989 = 1.1998 BTC [+] {2}
diametric: speaking of tools, still need my oscilloscope?
asciilifeform: diametric: for the moment. i shall be done with it soon.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44298 @ 0.00084722 = 37.5302 BTC [-]
asciilifeform borrowed a very rare and spiffy instrument from diametric to test rngs.
KRS-One: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/bitcoin-exchange/
ozbot: The Inside Story of Mt. Gox, Bitcoin's $460 Million Disaster | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
KRS-One: look at that stupid look on his fucking face
mircea_popescu: lol gutten boring
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6i69aVcNe1r2mc2eo1_1280.jpg
KRS-One: aw HELL ya
BingoBoingo: Eh, My hometown was almsot genecided during the Great war.
Duffer1: https://blockchain.info/address/1BTCorgHwCg6u2YSAWKgS17qUad6kHmtQW
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1BTCorgHwCg6u2YSAWKgS17qUad6kHmtQW
Duffer1: bitcoin foundation donation address
twizt: lol
twizt: so many coins
Duffer1: i'm actually surprised they got less than labcoin
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: I am not at all
BingoBoingo: Also Duffer1 It is Monday, why are you not streaming Archer and watching a better alternate reality future for 'Murica?
Duffer1: i'm never sure when it's on, i always watch later
BingoBoingo: Oh shit Duffer1 Illegally stream it nao
BingoBoingo: Highway to the Danger Zone
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00466051 = 0.233 BTC [+]
mod6: archer++
MisterE: http://news.yahoo.com/giant-virus-resurrected-permafrost-30-000-years-202120390.html
ozbot: Giant Virus Resurrected from Permafrost After 30,000 Years - Yahoo News
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Quiet, we are trying to hook Mircea up with a monster hotrod
MisterE: that rod is for insertion...
MisterE: you sure you're doing it the right way?
BingoBoingo: Insertion, where I dun care, he has more experience in this I supposed a dude who could put dumptrucks in ford escorts. He wanted dumptruck motors in a ThunerBird, and Imma trying to get the hillbilly's email.
MisterE: heh crazy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.599945 = 1.1999 BTC [+] {2}
gesell1: did anyone try to call MTgox today?
Duffer1: i almost lawld but i didn't want to offend anyone who might have lost out :(
BingoBoingo: gesell1: They had no information of @MagicalTux's cup size if that is the info you wanted
mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo is bored
gesell1: BingoBoingo: I'm just curious in general what the support phone actually is
mircea_popescu: gesell1 there was a pastebin earlier with everyone's phones
mircea_popescu: they lost the db, so. girlfriends, mothers et all.
gesell1: mircea_popescu: but there was a press release on mtgox with the support phone number
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Incredibly, and just a bit too tipsy to hit publish on the sports betting for n00bs post even though I wrote most of it in chan
gesell1: its on mtgox.com still
gesell1: aat the very bottom
BingoBoingo: gesell1: The support line is a girl speaking Ingrish. Might as well go to latestrip.com where the Ingrish girls show tits
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cups size: as in '2 X, 1 cup' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Poor asians so mostly B's
jcpham: just because mtgox says you owned bitcoins it doesn't really mean you owned them
jcpham: not really
BingoBoingo: gesell1: As mircea_popescu pointed out though I am bored
BingoBoingo: So jcpham you realize talking gox drama here is just a huge circle jerk for anyone other than Luke-Jr
mircea_popescu: i am 12 and what is latestrip.com
jcpham: lolololol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Where I spent dollars I should have spent on BTC
BingoBoingo: Damn you spring 2010
cokea: #bitcointraders if you're bored BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: a strip, that tells you if you're.. late. like a litmus strip.
asciilifeform: if that wasn't obvious from name
mircea_popescu: so pregnant girls in the buff ?
BingoBoingo: Here's a Tartar http://www.latestrip.com/freechat/girl/TamaraMuslim
BingoBoingo: But yeah, too many prego girls
BingoBoingo: Sauget wouldn't put them on stage
bloctoc: Nextcoin youtube videos really are adorable. http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/External_Videos
Multivac: Nextcoin does not compute.
BingoBoingo: Fuku Kasparov https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/440704422549942273
BingoBoingo: Kramnik beat your ass for a reason.
Multivac: from the Karpeles article comments: "Mark is a member of Mensa, well that says it all. I work with a guy who claims to be a Mensa member, he's the biggest jackass I have ever encountered. But if you want to know how smart he is, just ask he'll tell you about it, all day long."
BingoBoingo: And Anand... was prolly actually the best champion in a long time.
Multivac: Truth
mircea_popescu: why do people go to the mensa thing anyway
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Mensa is nothing, I qualified for that bullshit
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's actually a sort of bitcoin foundation, huh.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phun phact: today, K is known in russia - not mainly as a chess player.
asciilifeform: see 'bob the bridge-builder.'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know, he flys that everywhere now.
BingoBoingo: Part of wy he is in exile
asciilifeform: M is actually a sex club
Multivac: I never met someone that said they were Mensa that wasn't degenerate.
asciilifeform: i have this on good authority, though never seen in person
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ithought men want good looking women
mircea_popescu: rather than smart women
BingoBoingo: Multivac: I am a total degenerate, out on bail at this moment, I still think Mensa is too white trash
asciilifeform: once again, never saw it alive
Multivac: Bailed out for what though?
mircea_popescu: he got drunk one day...
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Disorderly conduct, Which I find a moral imperative
BingoBoingo: Religious liberty is at stake
Multivac: Did you flip over a car?
Multivac: Poop in a hamburger?
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Imma not that in shape, unless the car is a fiero
BingoBoingo: And it is all allegedly
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's all the excitement i can take in one day. take care all
mircea_popescu: don't break the bitcoin,
Multivac: Insufficient data to break a bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: It works though because I have a great drive through lawyer who simply pushes for extensions to the courtdate.
BingoBoingo: If he ever doesn't get the extension renewed he calls me and I walk to Mexico
Multivac: You can't escape entropy BingoBoingo.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: I am entropy
BingoBoingo: Multivac: I am the one who disorganizes
Multivac: BingoBoingo, The Disorganizer
Multivac: Luckily I have no organs.
Multivac: Only keyboards.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: You still have form
BingoBoingo: Form is opposed to entropy
Multivac: I break down daily.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Do you get enough fiber?
Multivac: Enough to hold my form.
Multivac: Mas smoothies.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Wait, are you the mysterious until they started physical coins, smoothie?
BingoBoingo: In that case I would have to thank you for the lulz
Multivac: Nope.
Mats_cd03: https://www.modmypi.com/pi-modules-upis-advanced
ozbot: ModMyPi | UPiS Advanced - Uninterruptible Power Intelligent Supply
Mats_cd03: impressive feature set
Multivac: It supplies intelligence?
Mats_cd03: broken title
Mats_cd03: > The UPiS is an Intelligent Uninterruptible Power Suppl
Multivac: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/752-the-good-and-useful-things-the-foundation-has-done-for-us-members-compiled-by-dr-brian-goss/
Multivac: They really have done nothing.
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Well they exposed well meaning and ignorant prospects to litigation.
BingoBoingo: That is a thing
Multivac: Summary: TBF said some shit and threw some money around.
Multivac: Coinpunk still has its hand out.
BingoBoingo: WTFOMGBBQ was Coinpunk anyways, I though TSR handled that
Multivac: It is a web wallet pretending to be an iPhone app.
Multivac: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wngsO-Z4n7A
ozbot: YOGA PANTS PRANK - YouTube
Multivac: lol
BingoBoingo: Multivac: You know of any reputable web advertising platforms that pay site owners BTC?
BingoBoingo: I tired one for two weeks and it was forced into scam
Multivac: Does not compute. Do you mean affiliate marketing shit?
Multivac: dude this video is hilarious
BingoBoingo: And I do mean tired over tried. It is now as worn as some dude's mom.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: I mean a tool where I can sell x by y pixels in my sidebar
Multivac: oh
BingoBoingo: Just occupy space an dpay me money
BingoBoingo: It is all I need
Multivac: I used to know a few
Multivac: drawing a blank now
Multivac: it's been a couple years
BingoBoingo: Well coinurl is shit
BingoBoingo: Bitads is the shit I kilt
BingoBoingo: Problem is all of this BTC stuff is shit
Multivac: coinurl is a scam actually
Multivac: oh yeah you eant btc ones
Multivac: there are none
BingoBoingo: Also Adsense is scam
Multivac: just ask people here
Multivac: Namworld
Multivac: Jurov
Multivac: etc
Mats_cd03: theres only one ad player in the game and they dont do btc
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: If you even say that player is Google
BingoBoingo: Seriously I run this honest blog here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
Mats_cd03: yes google
BingoBoingo: And I would like to monetize a section of the sidebar
Multivac: i like some of the ads at kat.ph
Multivac: http://e1.static.hoptopboy.com/11793/21029/116669/11793B/160x600-USA_1390254805.gif
Multivac: great ad
Mats_cd03: it poops on my brain each time i recall that 99% of GOOG profitable revenue is from ads
Mats_cd03: read that somewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00084432 = 12.1582 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Multivac: I can load the Gif, but for some reason the cert is untrustable
Multivac: well it's porn ad
BingoBoingo: Porn is cool though, Porn is trendy
Multivac: go to kat.ph and reload til you get the ad of girl jiggling but
Multivac: mesmerizing
Multivac: butt*
BingoBoingo: Carlos Martinez had a wall of twitter favorites that was nothing but pink expressed by girls of a rainbow of colors
Multivac: meh
Multivac: to biological for me
Multivac: too*
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Are you insinuating you aren't a pig like the rest of us?
Multivac: No, I'm just my own kinda pig.
Multivac: a flurry of crotch shots is just not my preference
Multivac: I'm vegan.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Maybe you just don't arouse?
BingoBoingo: You might be old, need cialis?
Multivac: Well i do have an abrupt onset of white beard hairs
Multivac: does cialis help with that?
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: What would I know, allegedly being a criminal and all of that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.05000008 = 0.35 BTC [-] {3}
Multivac: can you still vote?
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Yeah misdemeanor charge, but fighting it, because it is necessary
Multivac: DUI?
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Nah, vanilla disorderly conduct.
BingoBoingo: I am not brave enough to drive under the influence
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00497401 = 0.4477 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00084196 = 18.06 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00481471 = 0.6644 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00481 = 0.2646 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Oh, the difference between me an 2013 Bitcoin bastards is I come with my dirty laundry up front
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 72 @ 0.00567298 = 0.4085 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59999249 = 2.4 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00083947 = 14.7747 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00083881 = 3.6908 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: So, morel of the story, NBC is way to full of itself in its previews
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00540006 = 0.1404 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+]
benkay: NBC
benkay: news fungi
BingoBoingo: Maybe my last forum post, maybe not my last forum post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5498392#msg5498392 for kakobrekla
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m11xh74QjY1qcovono1_500.jpg
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1mvfcVTsb1qk2vvro1_500.jpg
KRS-One: fawk!
KRS-One: hawt
BingoBoingo: Ya
BingoBoingo: Imma still kind of wrapping my head around BingoBoingo being a bigger name than legal Firstname and Lastname
BingoBoingo: That's some trippy shit.
BingoBoingo: So weird, Most real me is a fake me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]
benkay: this is what i was freaking out about the other night
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1848 @ 0.00017551 = 0.3243 BTC [-] {5}
benkay: how best protect internet keys?
benkay: hey BingoBoingo race you to auth status
benkay: ;;gpg eauth benkay
gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@75-175-73-123.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7
BingoBoingo: ;;eauth bingoBoingo
gribble: Request successful for user bingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a4f7750923ee83ec88829bb3fcce45f2fd4308a2fee7efc298ef05a7
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2356 @ 0.00017528 = 0.413 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:340221c995ba650b2eb5528d3edba4b2896f0efbbbc3ed9bdbb7bb49
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143
benkay: gg
BingoBoingo: ;;rate benkay 1 Won the race
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: gg
benkay: ;;rate BingoBoingo good sport wot wot
gribble: Error: 'good' is not a valid integer.
benkay: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 good sport wot wot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2969 @ 0.00017433 = 0.5176 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: not a fair race, tbh
benkay: so a key to maintaining good crypto hygiene is to use it all the time, right?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Yeah, so many shortcuts if time was known
BingoBoingo: Yeah
benkay: so a thing that helps is that your otc link is always the same
BingoBoingo: But not stego hygeine
BingoBoingo: No, because stego
benkay: ideally stego is rarely touched tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1543 @ 0.000171 = 0.2639 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: OTC auth is suprisingly weak
benkay: go on...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2379 @ 0.00017 = 0.4044 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28386 @ 0.0008417 = 23.8925 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Eh, fill in blanks on that selfwise
dignork: benkay, i could dos you from authing, by reissuing 'eauth benkay'
dignork: but that's not a serious flaw
benkay: i can always demonstrate control of that key to relevant parties, so i'm not convinced
dignork: not through gribble though
BingoBoingo: benkay: Yeah, but that is exactly why Mutually GPG signed contracts are the future
Apocalyptic: <dignork> benkay, i could dos you from authing, by reissuing 'eauth benkay' // only up to a certain point
Apocalyptic: you will then be banned by gribble for like 10 minutes which leaves him time to auth properly
dignork: Apocalyptic, multiple nicks, etc
benkay: it'd be a fun experiment if assbot randomly asked people to auth
benkay: so crypto is dangerous, right? what are the risks of randomly asking people to auth?
benkay: upside is better hygiene via frequent use of tools; downside is...incentives to grow lazy?
dignork: benkay, at some point you'll decrypt you gpg key, so you won;t have to type in the password for each time you auth
BingoBoingo: So... like ATC has crashed hard.
BingoBoingo: An Imma sleep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9464 @ 0.00084602 = 8.0067 BTC [+]
benkay: why not just decrypt for every use?
BingoBoingo: I think Altcoin has been too cheap for too long, I'll give it a night or two and maybe I'll act on that thought.
dignork: benkay lost nardware==lost key then
benkay: assume backup?
dignork: benkay i meant exposed
benkay: not following diginork, sorry
benkay: lost hardware == exposed key?
dignork: benkay, if your keys are not crypted, if you loose your hardware, or it gets stolen, somebody get's your keys
dignork: same scenario with crypted keys, he will have to bruteforce them
benkay: sure. best practices come into play with the bruteforcing.
dignork: to sustain bruteforce, keys need to be crypted with long meaningless password, security is hard and boring :(
benkay: ;;google romanian dicelist
gribble: Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Climax pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/climax>; Decembrie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/12>
jurov: dignork: afaik nobody yet refuted the diceware method (randomly chosen words, easy to remember and still hard to crack)
jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail i'm on it here
ozbot: Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions
dignork: jurov, easy to remember, but entropy is low, a lot of buttins to punch, broken hands, loss of qualification, death
benkay: anyways, diginork, it sounds like the critique you're leveling is that "people will stoop to holding their keys unencrypted if used frequently"
jurov: did you actually a) try it b) did the math?
jurov: i found even 50 char long passprase easier to type than 15-char gobbledygook
jurov: not to mention remember
benkay: this is the tradeoff!
jurov: what tradeoff?
benkay: memorability vs entropy
jurov: pls explain
dignork: jurov, my mail account is a phrase, but the only reason i keep it, is that most cases it remembers me via cookies
jurov: they have the same entropy
benkay: it's a more general tradeoff: convenience/security
jurov: that's what nsa wants you to believe
dignork: entropy is lower to a gibberish of comparable length
benkay: i want to use my keys regularly. that entails memorizing an absurd passphrase and using it all the time to forestall neuron rot.
BingoBoingo: Dice all of the lists, like carrots
jurov: looks my point gets completely lost agina and again
jurov: benkay just try it, it's easier than it sounds
benkay: oh i agree - forgive me for giving the impression that i think diceware doesn't work
benkay: and diced passphrases are way better than the shorter, random ones
benkay: i've just started waking up in cold sweats, haunted by mpoe-pr's story
jurov: everyone gets all heprderp and then comes schneier "just think of a sentence and use first letters"
jurov: now how hig entropy can *that* have?
jurov: iirc every word in english sentence adds only 4 bits or so...and if one strips if to first letters
jurov: just a disaster bound to happen
jurov: oh what happened to mpoe-pr ???
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0890001 = 0.623 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00016701 = 0.167 BTC [-]
benkay: she wrote a story a while back
benkay: "that which will be delivered" or some such
benkay: i've completely failed to dig it up
jurov: for the competition?
benkay: b'leev so
jurov: yes i know
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 242 @ 0.00567491 = 1.3733 BTC [+] {6}
benkay: the one about the kid and the keys
benkay: yours gave me no small heebie-jeebies either
benkay: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/
ozbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet
benkay: the "whet" not the "what"
jurov: yes. but hannah's would only work if gpg would be akin to religion... only zealots could think of giving such responsibility to a child
jurov: not to say it's implausible, people can believe in anything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1999 @ 0.00016599 = 0.3318 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13001 @ 0.00016094 = 2.0924 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: yeah man how does one teach good crypto hygine to kids?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00084318 = 15.8096 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.07538107 = 3.166 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 404 @ 0.0055 = 2.222 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00084086 = 6.4746 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.0048 = 0.1872 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09048 = 0.2714 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.090495 = 0.362 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00084086 = 10.5108 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.090995 = 0.273 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00017898 = 0.8949 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00495352 = 0.6588 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 141 @ 0.00495356 = 0.6985 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.68215411 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 122 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: soo... turns out this was best dividend in s.mpoe history.
mircea_popescu: 428 satoshi on 29-09-12 and 506 satoshi 26-01-13 being the previous highs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07598485 = 0.5319 BTC [+] {2}
dub: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5493553#msg5493553
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 91 @ 0.00495354 = 0.4508 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41421 @ 0.00083883 = 34.7452 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: dub lol
punkman: "KAM Analysts have come out and established the opening price for MZC at $1.00 USD as a opening price. "We felt this was a reasonable opening price with the Alt Market the way it is currently, Dogecoin is setting around $1.17 in some exchanges and MAXcoin is still right around $1.28."
punkman: http://www.kimitsuassetmanagement.com/
mircea_popescu: ><
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this.
mircea_popescu: another "altcoin" with a 349587598437598349534 "mkt cap" ?
punkman: it's auroracoin for indians
mircea_popescu: oh.
mircea_popescu: great IDEA
punkman: http://www.mazacoin.org/about.html
ozbot: MazaCoin - About
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder if the "entrepreneur" scum even knows what idea means.
punkman: "During the first phase of the MazaCoin pre-mine, the Traditional Lakota Nation as represented by the BTC Oyate Initiative will pre-mine 25 million MazaCoins as the starting point of a National Crypto-Currency Reserve. This reserve is critical as a symbol of national sovereignty, and vital for the future of MazaCoin. "
mircea_popescu: of wtf.
mircea_popescu: we need more pianos to catch lots and lots of fingers in
mircea_popescu: i bet you some nigger* fuckwit somewhere thought "o hey, nobody can oppose this SCAM because it'd be raycest!!11"
mircea_popescu: *nigger in this context is a term of art. see http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/ for the definition.
punkman: yeah I know, been working on my own niggers.txt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00083813 = 12.991 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.608 = 1.216 BTC [+]
punkman: waiting for more lulz from that altcoin marketcap bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22315 @ 0.00083767 = 18.6926 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: sigh.
wao-ender: today topic, scamcoins?
wao-ender popcorn.gif
mircea_popescu: wao-ender no it's just this bet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00559998 = 0.56 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9365 @ 0.00083687 = 7.8373 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: by the way : http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/
mircea_popescu: the cuttoff for regs for the april conference is march 15th. there won't be late regs or anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17385 @ 0.00083667 = 14.5455 BTC [-]
dub: I'll be in cambodia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04270871 = 0.2563 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 288860 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1443 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 57 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3883050502.07 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.76445
mircea_popescu: not a bad place to be
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.04241428 = 0.5938 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7iypi49ZW1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: (why did the chick cross the road ?)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00471013 = 0.1036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00083849 = 19.998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00083655 = 28.9446 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25977 @ 0.00083953 = 21.8085 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00470895 = 0.7063 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 627 @ 0.00463136 = 2.9039 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1298 @ 0.0001866 = 0.2422 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: that bitcoin scam foundation thread is really delivering the lels.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
wao-ender: v0v http://www.coindesk.com/icelands-auroracoin-passes-litecoin-becomes-third-largest-altcoin-market-cap/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 360 @ 0.0055 = 1.98 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00479999 = 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00559998 = 0.1456 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 188 @ 0.00567496 = 1.0669 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: we're in the middle of a debate as to how scammy this is.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499595.0
ozbot: Satoshi should give away a good chunk of the 1.000.000 btc he has
mircea_popescu: teh forum hath spoken
chetty: there should be an award for the dumbest ideas
mircea_popescu: there is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6087 = 1.2174 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: darwin award doesn't quite apply to internet
KRS-One: Any rumor that mastercoin is going to save goxcoin
mircea_popescu: i heard auroracoin is going to disrupt rainbows.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55007 @ 0.00083292 = 45.8164 BTC [-] {2}
KRS-One: Its about time rainbows were disrupted.
KRS-One: Elusive bastards.
mircea_popescu: ikr ? now they're going to be square
KRS-One: wut! lel
KRS-One: First sinewave, now digital rainbows. Next thing you know cats will sleep with doges.
mircea_popescu: and have retarded otter children
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
jurov: that's sloth, no?
mircea_popescu: lol i guess so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6099 = 6.099 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 826 @ 0.0008375 = 0.6918 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The thing is, your brain has to be full of prions to think that this "Punked By Obama Supporter" video shows Fox being punked, either that or you're in first grade where the following exchange is considered an awesome practical joke: "I told you my name's Bill, but it's not, it's Will! All this time you thought it was Bill! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" I'd warn that kid he's going to get himself beat up at recess if I wa
mircea_popescu: sn't helping collect the dirt bombs.
mircea_popescu: Imagine you are in the target demo for Fox & Friends (i.e. your ex-husband drives an F150 and your daughter's Nokia is bedazzled), would you feel punked? What would you see in the video? You'd see a wise ass, a self-aggrandizing cynic, a douchebag. So if he's pro-Obama, then the point is obvious: pro-Obama people are idiots. Thanks, Max, you helped the cause.
mircea_popescu: Imagine Gretchen Carlson doing what she should have done if she was smart: kept the interview going longer. "Oh, I'm sorry, Max, we must all be dummies here at Fox because when you told us you were pro-Romney we... just believed it. We do that with the Bible and pre-war intelligence, too, gosh golly. Well, you have a Columbia education and I'm giving you a national platform, why don't you tell us why we're all stupi
mircea_popescu: d here for supporting Romney? Why should we want Obama for a second term? Please, no soundbites you got from twitter." As the kid's head melts like he was staring into the Ark of the Covenant we'd see clearly that he isn't an Obama supporter at all. He may be voting for Obama, I have no idea, but he wasn't there for Obama, he was there for himself under the pretense antagonizing Fox, which is why his main argument
mircea_popescu: was "s'up." Advice for aspiring comics like Max: if you get to go on TV, you should probably prepare some material.
mircea_popescu: holy shit this guy's good.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04325 = 0.173 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00083169 = 31.9369 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042625 = 0.1705 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60001625 = 2.4001 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00083628 = 12.8787 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00567497 = 0.5902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1983 @ 0.00083083 = 1.6475 BTC [-]
moiety: mew
moiety: BingoBoingo, you around?
mircea_popescu: hey there moiety
moiety: mircea_popescu: are you
moiety: lol
moiety: yes hi how are you?
moiety: look at this http://imgur.com/gallery/X3IbG it's immense
mircea_popescu: you made that ?!
chetty: wow, I want one
asciilifeform: woah
moiety: i truly wish i made that mircea_popescu
moiety: how amazing is it
moiety: lol ^
moiety: i wonder who did make it and i wish there were better pictures of the sides
moiety: the set i made, i used half kinder eggs with beer cap crowns for queens lol
mircea_popescu: lol
moiety: they had googly eyes too... made the game
mircea_popescu: neat btc product tho, find them and hussle them.
moiety: i think that's the only chess set you can commit a murder with
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00567498 = 0.2837 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 402 @ 0.00567498 = 2.2813 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: omg its only $295
moiety: lies 910CAD http://www.etsy.com/ca/shop/OldeWorldCC?ref=l2-shopheader-name
moiety: bizarre "only ships within united states" why is it in CAD then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.00457976 = 0.1832 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17735 @ 0.00083593 = 14.8252 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "A Kremlin aide was quoted on Tuesday as saying that if the United States were to impose sanctions on Russia over Ukraine, Moscow might be forced to drop the dollar as a reserve currency and refuse to pay off any loans to US banks."
mircea_popescu: now that'd be a riot.
mircea_popescu: suddenly the eu is forced to ALSO drop the dollar because if you can't buy gas from the gazprom with it then what good is it ?
mircea_popescu: putin could just get done with it and declare obama must now spend a week naked in chains pulling the plow under the whip somewhere in rural ukraine.
asciilifeform: plow? bah. uprooted tree stump. what pre-iron-age slavs plowed with.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44737 @ 0.00083635 = 37.4158 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: but black slavery is a modern not pre-iron-age phenomena
mircea_popescu: let us preserve historic accuracy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, s/whip/knuth
chetty: 5. The fax machine was invented the same year as the Oregon trail migration.
asciilifeform: chetty: early faxes required user to trace over the picture
asciilifeform: by hand
asciilifeform: not quite what modern people have in mind when they think 'fax'
deadweasel: you have died from from plague. your party died in a river crossing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now we know how the office xeros romp got started.
asciilifeform: 'you have died of death'
mircea_popescu: o
asciilifeform: (i distinctly recall that being in there)
mircea_popescu: you know i never get you people. i always packed an arsenal of bullets, hunted, got super rich
mircea_popescu: i usually made 3-4x my money by the time i was in oregon
mircea_popescu: http://newswatch.us/28-year-old-ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-dead-after-possible-suicide/#sthash.17rKP4om.dpuf
ozbot: 28 Year Old CEO Of Bitcoin Exchange Dead After Possible Suicide | NEWSWATCH
asciilifeform: nailgun?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.0055 = 0.5225 BTC
mircea_popescu: karpuccinos
mircea_popescu: (twist : Autumn Radtke was a chick) ☟︎
asciilifeform: probably asked to 'turn karp' and refused.
punkman: Poloniex hacked, but hackers only took out BTC, didn't care for the altcoins
mircea_popescu: what, they left all the auracoins behind ?
mircea_popescu: BUT IT HAS A MARKET CAP! with a fluffball and all.
asciilifeform: house burgled, thieves took tv but not the turds in the cat's sandbox...
punkman: "The major problem here is that the auditing and security features were not explicitly looking for negative balances."
punkman: "Because there is not enough BTC to cover everyone's balances, all balances will temporarily be deducted by 12.3%."
asciilifeform: can't wait for the exchange that keeps balances as 'unsigned int' and underflows into $MAXINT - epsilon when it gets cleaned out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 113 @ 0.00574805 = 0.6495 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 505 @ 0.00574406 = 2.9008 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 988 @ 0.00574 = 5.6711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
Multivac: haha, derps sell their LTCs for AURs, causing LTC to fal from 25 to 21, then BTCChina lists LTC and it goes to 27
ThickAsThieves: maybe itll go back to 40
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.0049463 = 1.6817 BTC [+] {6}
wao-ender: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/27/world/europe/ukraine-divisions-crimea.html
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00083182 = 8.9837 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00575 = 0.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00490999 = 0.1227 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00575 = 0.2875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1495 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Jr4uWC2
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: someone should dump that on twitter.
mircea_popescu: i mean reddit.
ThickAsThieves: get a MPOE-RedditPR
mircea_popescu: http://beforeitsnews.com/chemtrails/2014/03/russia-attacked-largest-oil-refinery-in-europe-is-on-fire-in-huge-blaze-2442038.html
ozbot: Russia Attacked? Largest Oil Refinery In Europe Is On Fire In Huge Blaze | Chemtrails
mircea_popescu: sooo... is this a fake ?
asciilifeform: http://englishrussia.com/2014/03/03/largest-oil-refinery-in-europe-is-on-fire
ozbot: Largest Oil Refinery in Europe is on Fire | English Russia
mircea_popescu: http://www.euronews.com/2014/01/10/german-oil-refinery-fire-and-explosion/
ozbot: German oil refinery fire and explosion | euronews, world news
mircea_popescu: apparently it's shell's rheinland
asciilifeform: no snow in that one.
mircea_popescu: hm
ThickAsThieves: :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42285 @ 0.00083931 = 35.4902 BTC [+] {3}
diametric: Why is in a category called 'chemtrails'
mircea_popescu: probably because the chemtrails did it ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0434999 = 0.1305 BTC [+]
moiety: oh jeez
moiety: i don't like shell, but that's awful
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/04/smut_filter_adviser_to_uk_pm_investigated_for_viewing_child_smut/
ThickAsThieves: http://blockchain.com/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00083505 = 24.634 BTC [-]
Rulother: ooo
ThickAsThieves: Transparent exchange maybe?
Rulother: Well we're expecting "big news" from them soon
ozbot: Blockchain.com - Bitcoin Wallet.
nubbins`: judging by the picture of an iphone
nubbins`: i'd say the big news is a functional html5 web wallet
nubbins`: to replace the ios app that got yanked
ThickAsThieves: meh
nubbins`: meh for some, a boon for others
asciilifeform: exploit bounty for yet others.
nubbins`: +1 :D
ThickAsThieves: KateCraig: "However, the bigger reason for the delay is that I've been trying to track down an accounting error. My spreadsheet says we should have much more in the h/w reinvestment fund than we actually have in the bank. I believe I've traced the issue to how depreciation was being calculated."
asciilifeform: 'On March 2nd 2014 Flexcoin was attacked and robbed of all coins in the hot wallet. The attacker made off with 896 BTC...' (http://flexcoin.com)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'As Flexcoin does not have the resources, assets, or otherwise to come back from this loss, we are closing our doors immediately.'
nubbins`: well that's convenient
Apocalyptic: indeed
Apocalyptic: yet another self-hack
nubbins`: "Flexcoin, Inc is located in the Alberta, Canada"
nubbins`: ah, the Alberta
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00083505 = 8.5175 BTC [-]
azi`: why would anyone use a service described as "bitcoin bank"?
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bitcoin-bank-flexcoin-shuts-down-after-600-000-theft-1.2559018
ozbot: Bitcoin bank Flexcoin shuts down after $600,000 theft - Business - CBC News
deadweasel: nice to have a shake-out now and again.
nubbins`: https://twitter.com/flexcoin
ozbot: flexcoin (flexcoin) on Twitter
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: feb 25: "We hold zero coins in other companies, exchanges etc. While the MtGox closure is unfortunate, we at Flexcoin have not lost anything."
nubbins`: march 4: "Flexcoin will be shutting its doors."
azi`: lol
ThickAsThieves: does LAMP have a way to autclose db connections (of a certain age) across all hosted sites
ThickAsThieves: or must it be done in each site script
diametric: ThickAsThieves: its been a while since I've done any PHP code, but all connections get closed if you open them with mysql_connect vs. pconnect
diametric: closed at the end of the session that is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33508 @ 0.00083267 = 27.9011 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: thx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00083131 = 22.1128 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: "Make music with the world. "The Cypherfunks" is a decentralized band & cryptocurrency. A new way to make music in the 21st century! The cryptocurrency, enables the new music collective."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.043 = 0.172 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: to steal
punkman: "Or, in other words, if Satoshi Nakamoto is the Genius Father of Cryptocurrency as an advancement in cryptotechnology, then Thomas Jackson is its Genius Uncle as an advancement in cryptotechnology in world economics."
asciilifeform: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=22764360
ozbot: $10M Calif. Gold Coin Hoard Found in Yard May Have Been Stolen From Mint - ABC News
asciilifeform: tldr: if you find gold, shut up, melt it down
ThickAsThieves: Nic Cary will be on bloomberg tv in 35m
ThickAsThieves: http://www.bloomberg.com/tv/
ozbot: Bloomberg TV: Business Live TV - Bloomberg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699996 = 0.154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52950 @ 0.0008303 = 43.9644 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: aww asciilifeform is that the couple who were out walking and found the gold?
asciilifeform: moiety: yeah, them
asciilifeform: moiety: linked piece mentions that it might be confiscated.
moiety: so if they prove its the 1900 heist money, they won't get anything?
asciilifeform: that was the claim, yes
moiety: plot twist : there weren't only five cans (i hope)
moiety: i'd be too frightened to open the cans for fear of beasties
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu pm
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg5506076#msg5506076
ozbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread
nubbins`: now that's an interesting way to respond
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.043 = 0.559 BTC [+]
nubbins`: <b><i><u>My response</u></i></b>
nubbins`: quoting is hard etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00489979 = 0.2499 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.043 = 0.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.043 = 2.666 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol katecraig is still delayed ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't it xmas ?
mircea_popescu: aww flexcoin eh ? which was this one ? i forget.
Apocalyptic: the first bitcoin bank
Apocalyptic: it's been around for a while afaik
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it's not the first thing posing as a bank no
nubbins`: hadnt heard of it before today
Apocalyptic: should have included quotes I guess
mircea_popescu: larger amounts of airqutes pls
nubbins`: the "first" bitcoin "bank"
mircea_popescu: t"he" etc
nubbins`: "theft"
Apocalyptic: heh
nubbins`: "flexcoin" "will be" "shutting" its "doors"
ThickAsThieves: hehe obama is announcing new budget from an elementary school
nubbins`: did someone whisper it in his ear while he was reading a story?
nubbins`: followed by a look of utter confusion and a few more paragraphs of story-time?
mircea_popescu: "its"
nubbins`: hey those aren't your doors!
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/report-slum-landlords-dennis-o-keefe-says-1.2558938
ozbot: Report slum landlords, Dennis O'Keefe says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: "O'Keefe said the city will act quickly on complaints once they're received, but if a landlord refuses to allow an inspector into the unit, the city then has to go to court. If an order to clean up a property is then ignored, they would have to go to court again."
nubbins`: report slum landlords, wait two years for solution
nubbins`: meantime, get kicked out of your house
mircea_popescu: that's you ?!
nubbins`: nah
nubbins`: i'm not an o'keefe
nubbins`: nor a dennis, for that matter
mircea_popescu: is keefe like the most common canadian name ?
Mats_cd03: any bets on when the next exchange with >1000btc gets robbed
nubbins`: relatively uncommon
nubbins`: lots of o'keefes
mircea_popescu: aha i c
nubbins`: 3 generations back, we were o'keeffe but dropped an o and an f
Duffer1: you mean "robbed" Mats? :P
nubbins`: "exchange"
Duffer1: hehe
nubbins`: "with", even
Mats_cd03: is there a sizable irish pop in cn
Mats_cd03: ca*
Apocalyptic: sounds about right
nubbins`: most of newfoundland has irish heritage
nubbins`: of some sort
nubbins`: the rest of canada, not so much
nubbins`: but it is a nation of immigrants, so y'know. pockets everywhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00083003 = 10.5414 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: TBF my ancestors came from england, nor ireland.
nubbins`: bbl picking up rent, etc
artifexd: I'm looking to buy some ATC. x-bt and openex orderbooks are too thin. Anybody selling?
mircea_popescu: artifexd maybe BingoBoingo
artifexd: ;;later tell BingoBoingo I'm trying to buy some ATC. Are you trying to sell?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574998 = 0.575 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: blockchain on bloomberg momentarily
ThickAsThieves: http://www.bloomberg.com/tv/
ozbot: Bloomberg TV: Business Live TV - Bloomberg
ThickAsThieves: facebook is gonna buy drones to provide internet to africa
ThickAsThieves: sell!
moiety: is mark spending his xmas money or something lately?
ThickAsThieves: blockchain.info bought clarkmoody
ThickAsThieves: integrating with zeroblock
moiety: o.o
ThickAsThieves: they bought rtbtc
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin founation policy of decentralisation ?
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
ThickAsThieves: so they are opening a trading platform
arij: really? when did they buy cm/rtbtc?
Duffer1: acquire all the things
ThickAsThieves: this week arij
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> so they are opening a trading platform // wait, rtbtc was not just charts ?
mircea_popescu: "Tommie Rice Esti castigator, o PETRECERE de sfarsit de SAPTAMA..."
mircea_popescu: fucktarded romanian spammers. buy spam software, replace the subject/body copy,
arij: rtbtc lets you trade at gox/stamp using the API
mircea_popescu: use english names.
Duffer1: rtbtc is a trade platform
mircea_popescu: it totally makes sense some random tommie rice is fluent in romanian
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: twist. google's mail has built-in translation. so, spammers no longer need to study languages.
arij wonders what will happen to the bitvps link on clarkmoody
ThickAsThieves: it'll get a lot of clicks today
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, this is actually correct romanian. it's nigh on impossible for gt to get 8 words straight.
ThickAsThieves: "our company will never touch fiat" cary says
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, what i meant was, the receiving end
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "like we learned from mp" cary doesn't say
asciilifeform: if google's mail, will translate to luser's language.
mircea_popescu: cause he forgot that part.
mircea_popescu: one day i'll understand why this is so hard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but, badly.
ThickAsThieves: ok zeroblock isnt an independent exchange, just an interfacing platform
asciilifeform: a good portion of english-language spam shows signs of being produced in exactly this way.
ThickAsThieves: for $20/m
mircea_popescu: i believe it.
wao-ender: good move bch.
wao-ender: these trading platform should rise
ThickAsThieves: i love how now that gox is dead, we don't get 25% price moves after every news tidbit
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: a team of chumpatronic engineers is working around the clock to fix this.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00082991 = 10.4569 BTC [-]
wao-ender: soon they move to another X
asciilifeform: 'a holy place never remains empty' (rus. proverb)
asciilifeform: expect a 'MtFox' or the like, using mouth and arse- prints for N-factor authentication and 'AML' government id both
asciilifeform: or something like that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00485001 = 0.2425 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: the only sure bet is that there will be some sweet placebo to reassure the chumps that 'this time, It's Different !11! (TM)'
ThickAsThieves: reddit is very disappointed in Cary
ThickAsThieves: it is kinda non-news
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has it lol.
mircea_popescu: mp says gox is trading with itself, ppl are like oooooookay.
mircea_popescu: then gox goes away and price suddenly is quite stable.
ThickAsThieves: also they shouldve at least rebranded the acquisition site fully
mircea_popescu: so mp goes oooookay.
ThickAsThieves: they just slapped a squished logo on it
ThickAsThieves: tsk tsk brandbuilding!
ThickAsThieves: well gox is probably also what got us to $300+
ThickAsThieves: fwiw
ThickAsThieves: blockchain also shoulda removed this frozen gox chart from clarkmoody lol
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/
ozbot: Bitcoin Data Platform | RTBTC
mircea_popescu: what's the rush.
ThickAsThieves: well they just said "Hey look at me!"
ThickAsThieves: typiclaly a good time to comb your hair
mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Jr4uWC2 << check that shit out, suddenly "no data available/0 views"
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: i didn't know imgur deleted stats ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05110001 = 0.3066 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00485772 = 0.1069 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: hmm that is odd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00485 = 0.1067 BTC [-] {3}
deadweasel: it's not recording stats anymore either
mircea_popescu: CONSPIRACI
mircea_popescu: twist : is imgur running fractional reserve stats ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0057498 = 0.575 BTC [-] {2}
deadweasel: they had to use yoru stats to cover the justin beiber run on imgur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16623 @ 0.00082995 = 13.7963 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00574999 = 0.4255 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a statschain divided upon itself can not stand!
mircea_popescu: friends! bitcoiners! citizens! lend me your views!
Duffer1: I only have likes, do you accept those?
artifexd: lol
Duffer1: actually i think i have some spare upvotes
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker likes/views
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.38356683 BTC to 3`617 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7177 @ 0.00082986 = 5.9559 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14623 @ 0.00083032 = 12.1418 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in today's lol : trilema referrer ronpaulforums.com comes slightly ahead of somethingawful.com
mircea_popescu: not by much and towards the bottom of the pile, but anyway
asciilifeform: what's in the top of the pile?
Duffer1: ^
mircea_popescu: direct, various rss and twitter feeds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: slashdot
mircea_popescu: reddit (0.o)
mircea_popescu: tardstalk
mircea_popescu: litecointalk
mircea_popescu: buncha chinese and russian stuff
asciilifeform: phun phact. first time i ever heard of reddit, i parsed the name as 'Red [i.e. communist] Edit [as in editorial]'
mircea_popescu: lots of ancient links
mircea_popescu: (my article about how to suck cock is still 3rd most read, won't yield that beast)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you were so woefully, drastically and deplorably off the mark with that
mircea_popescu: except wait...
mircea_popescu: no you weren't.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60000003 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: i'm an 'LL(1)' parser.
mircea_popescu: i have a steak at stake and it's fucking sticking it to me
asciilifeform: i'd rather eat steak than stake.
mircea_popescu: im stoked :D
asciilifeform: 'stokes' is a joke, but green's is mean'
asciilifeform: (memory from a maths class)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00574999 = 0.69 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i suppose we'll have to have rhymes day namean ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00082934 = 6.7591 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 676 @ 0.00462569 = 3.127 BTC [-] {8}
moiety: http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/04/apple-carplay-ferrari-ff-hands-on/ lol resistive touch screen
ozbot: Hands-on with Apple's CarPlay: when Siri met Ferrari (video)
moiety: so ugly!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00082934 = 31.4735 BTC [-]
wao-ender: looks resistive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00083029 = 1.37 BTC [+]
moiety: looks resistable
wao-ender: capacitivy wouldnt has that flick buttons
Mats_cd03: looks like a good competitor to the stuff in tesla's cars
wao-ender: but volvo have capacitve one carplay, well
asciilifeform: who the hell wants a touch screen in a car
Mats_cd03: i do
asciilifeform: knob, you can twist without looking
Mats_cd03: im not a scrub that needs haptic feedback
Mats_cd03: its my opinion that good software solves that problem anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think the people targetted actually drive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: !?
asciilifeform: screen is meant for passenger?
mircea_popescu: nah
mircea_popescu: screen is meant for douche who can't afford a car at all
Mats_cd03: why cant you use a touch screen with a voice button mounted on teh wheel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how is this supposed to work? am i just thick?
mircea_popescu: "look how cool and from the future we are"
mircea_popescu: ferrari doesn't sell cars by convincing anyone to buy one
mircea_popescu: ferrari sells cars by convincing poor lithe 20something chicks to blow anyone in a ferrari
asciilifeform: so this is something like the ads on the washington d.c. metro for fighter jets and destroyers?
mircea_popescu: mutatis mutandis
mircea_popescu: or should i say, mutatits mutandine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0222 = 0.111 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, is also why all the limited edition crap)
mircea_popescu: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/presidential-budget-2015/?
mircea_popescu: check out all those healthcare savings already.
mircea_popescu: #obamawasright
ozbot: Breaking down spending in Obama's budget proposal - The Washington Post
mircea_popescu: tyl : veteran affairs cost as much as education or health care. who knew there's a cost to all that jingoism.
asciilifeform: in u.s., actual education (public schools, etc) is funded on state level
asciilifeform: federal 'dept. of ed' is something quite else
mircea_popescu: point.
mircea_popescu: holden got hit with a -40%
mircea_popescu: "us no longer needs justice dept" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'useful' part of the latter is being merged into the 'ministry of love' (DHS)
asciilifeform: (that being the armed stormtroopers)
mircea_popescu: o gee! just like the soviets.
mircea_popescu: epa got slashed. who knew
asciilifeform: it lives on fines
mircea_popescu: i guess if you have no economy you can save on environmnetalism
mircea_popescu: uh, they don't get to make fines part of their own budget do they ?
asciilifeform: they do.
mircea_popescu: whop the fuck came up with that stupid idea.
asciilifeform: just like local police depts
mircea_popescu: jaysus.
asciilifeform: (many u.s. police depts are funded largely by asset seizure - without anyone needing to be convicted of a crime)
mircea_popescu: that i know
mircea_popescu: even wrote about it
jborkl: as I understand it just the State of Texas lew enforcment takes in a billion a year mainly on weed
mircea_popescu: to me it registers as the #1 item on the list of why the us can't be4 taken seriously as a civilised state.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1222 @ 0.00461526 = 5.6398 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889947 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61889956 = 1.2378 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07699997 = 0.539 BTC [+] {2}
deadweasel: civilization via wikipedia: Civilization or civilisation (in British English) generally refers to state polities which combine these basic institutions, having one or more of each: a ceremonial centre (a formal gathering place for social and cultural activities), a system of writing, and a city.
deadweasel: not a definition I would have expected.
deadweasel: so in the most useless sense, we are civlised.
deadweasel: now how do we actually define civilisation?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21640 @ 0.00082816 = 17.9214 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699999 = 0.154 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 457 @ 0.00052008 = 0.2377 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889968 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: deadweasel civilisation is the totality of material productions of an identified primate group.
mircea_popescu: as contrasted with culture, which is the totality of ideal productions of an ~.
mircea_popescu: together culture and civilisation describe privileged wife,
mircea_popescu: as opposed to bare life (ie, cattle).
mircea_popescu: s/wife/life
nubbins`: check your privilege :D
nubbins`: ba-dum-tss
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: quite typical for libertards to get stuck blaming the curb.
deadweasel: i prefer this definition. is somewhat more meaningful
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0896001 = 0.1792 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: !ticker s.mpoe
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
nubbins`: My name is Clark Moody, and this is my website. First of all, I love Jesus, and I want you to know him. He has changed my life forever, and His love has the power to change you.
benkay: is that kind of attitude an instant disqualifier for anyone elese?
nubbins`: ¬_¬
nubbins`: yes
benkay: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082742 / 0.00084681 / 0.00086433 (1685008 shares, 1,426.89 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00085725 / 0.00088723 (8472227 shares, 7,262.89 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087082 / 0.00093912 (29382299 shares, 25,586.83 BTC)
benkay: Mats_cd03: ^^
nubbins`: i only finished reading the sentence because my peripheral vision picked it up
Mats_cd03: !t s.mpoe
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
Mats_cd03: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082742 / 0.00084681 / 0.00086433 (1685008 shares, 1,426.89 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00085725 / 0.00088723 (8472227 shares, 7,262.89 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087082 / 0.00093912 (29382299 shares, 25,586.83 BTC)
Mats_cd03: wut
moiety: yes benkay, so much yes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
benkay: hullo moiety
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:158cca9962694cd90af05df37425fc2724c92c39cbcaa5b2965f8160
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in a parking lot, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6681rcJVh1qk6jqko1_500.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.004615 = 0.8722 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: i'm uninterested unless they're yours, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: my whats
nubbins`: flaps
mircea_popescu: no homo ?
benkay: tits
nubbins`: it's all a spectrum man, don't fight it
benkay: tits in a parking lot are cool, don't get me wrong
asciilifeform: for newswank aficionados, mr. o update his post (http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html) with summary of today's.
benkay: but i seen plenty of that nao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.0046 = 0.2392 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: mircea_popescu's tits, though, that's an entirely different story.
moiety: mircea_popescu: you have a knack for finding naked girls outside
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qts6XbI1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg < sure :D
moiety: lol at least these ones get shoes
mircea_popescu: moiety some even get a purse.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: ATM I would not be selling ATC at the current market prices
moiety: lolol
mircea_popescu: "Also, something of a consensus among military experts has emerged: Ukraine's army can't fight."
mircea_popescu: derp.
moiety: BingoBoingo: there you are i tried to twitter at you
mircea_popescu: once a state makes the comitment of calling a general mobilisaiton and its ignored,
mircea_popescu: that state is finished.
asciilifeform: 'they had a war and nobody came'
mircea_popescu: sort-of like calling a no confidence vote and not getting any yes.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: gotta advertise it on social media better next time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.0008303 = 25.2411 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: and incidentally : this is quite instructive for the attentive watcher. with the exception of china and some other asian majors, NOBODY is capable of war.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit that the us could deploy fifty or fifty thousand specially trained idiots.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Ah, cool link
mircea_popescu: if it comes to war and there's a general mobilisation, the us couldn't gather even ukraine's 1%
mircea_popescu: the entirety of the combatant populace would be "can they just rape us instead ? we'll fuck for peace"
asciilifeform: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/draftindex.shtml
ozbot: The Military Draft
asciilifeform: haha apparently i'm still good for cannonfodder
mircea_popescu: anyway. the us is in this position where it has to learn to play second fiddle/cocksucker to the actual powers that be
mircea_popescu: and get damned good at it and fucking love it.
mircea_popescu: ideally by last week.
asciilifeform: '... If you have a 'specialty' field such as... a degree in computer science... you could be 'drafted'..'
asciilifeform: (presumably, to install winblows on the platoon laptop, so grunts can play Quake.)
mircea_popescu: ya that'll do a lot of good.
mircea_popescu: fun fact : thai underage prostitutes also value those among them that can fix smartphones.
mircea_popescu: "Now I know better. The government is in the hands of satanic, globalist traitors who are following a script to destroy America and its people"
asciilifeform: in the east, people do indeed fix phones!
mircea_popescu: jesus all the anger.
asciilifeform: when i bought a digital hot air machine circa '07, it came with a whole sausage of power plugs for various phones of the period
asciilifeform: (chinese)
mircea_popescu: hot air machine = tv ?
deadweasel: nubbins, re: clark moody/jesusIsLord, yes, instant disqualifier
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04261333 = 0.1278 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. http://sra-solder.com/shopimages/products/normal/aoyue768.jpg
mircea_popescu: o the actual thing
mircea_popescu: deadpanning my comedee
asciilifeform: right. literal hot air
asciilifeform: the most chinese possible. as in, bouncing ball for air pressure gauge.
asciilifeform: essential household tool
asciilifeform: even if you don't solder
asciilifeform: (e.g. melt hot glue without destroying the glued item)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26046 @ 0.00082709 = 21.5424 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: dry nail polish
asciilifeform: nah, vacuum works best for that one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.00459999 = 0.897 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: BingoBoingo At would price would you sell?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the bitch is spherical.
asciilifeform: ah you meant on actual human nails.
mircea_popescu duly notes that asciilifeform takes his harpies well manicured.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Maybe throw out some prices and I'll way yes when one is agreeable?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61944984 = 1.2389 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00465 = 0.1628 BTC [+]
benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499580
ozbot: BTC Stolen from Poloniex
asciilifeform: unrelated: did anyone ever answer the call to implement btc reference client compatible in verilog?
benkay: suspicious activity monitors: nontrivial to implement.
mircea_popescu: no.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00082516 = 65.3527 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: transactional database transactions: what the hell is that and why would anyone?
asciilifeform: (doesn't have to be verilog in particular - any circuit description system would do)
mircea_popescu: benkay here's a random thought : as long as you're not running on transactional hardware, your "transactional" db stack is exactly implementable in mysql.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 265 @ 0.00468773 = 1.2422 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: A million ATC for 1 btc
mircea_popescu: artifexd it's been trading over 100 satoshi since it was invented.
mircea_popescu: i think 125ish was the cheapest it ever went
artifexd: I bought 10k this morning for 75 satoshi
mircea_popescu: wow. who from ? where ?
asciilifeform: (circuit-level implementation, done correctly, would leave no room for doubt as to the fate of every input bit, and the origin of every output)
artifexd: https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
mircea_popescu: pankkake you around btw ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo an' how about you ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6265 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00475 = 0.475 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: from the 'weirdest CAPTCHA' candidates: http://www.microchip.su/search.php
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm on x-bt as well. For an OTC trade I dunno if I can sell for less than 200 satoshis seeing how thin the asks are.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo suppose i send you a btc so you can put a buywall at 100 in ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I could do that
mircea_popescu: pm me an addy then
moiety: asciilifeform: flippin' heck! @ the captcha
artifexd: The asks are thin. I'd be willing to do a million for 150 satoshi each.
ThickAsThieves: I can sell some for 750sat
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Let me auth and I can sell 75000 at 150 satoshis per
BingoBoingo: ;;eauth BingoBoingo
gribble: Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143
artifexd: BingoBoingo deal
artifexd: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:cc40ed3fbc8fef3a0949519122251b4db3bd6e36158af2dc2c7b9ab1
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143
artifexd: pm addresses?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33740 @ 0.00082443 = 27.8163 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00475002 = 0.2898 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: K, I am still waiting on a confirm on my withdrawal from the exchange
mircea_popescu: how slow are atc blocks these days ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 319 @ 0.00475 = 1.5153 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://atc.blockr.io/
mircea_popescu: o right right
BingoBoingo: Anyone mind pointing a Bitfury at ATC for a few minutes?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00479997 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6281 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 50 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
benkay`: http://betaboston.com/news/2014/03/04/aereo-online-tv-streaming-broadcasters-supreme-court-justice-department/
ozbot: Feds now oppose Aereo, rejecting cloud apocalypse argument | BetaBoston
benkay`: want to do something clever?
benkay`: leave the fucking states.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00470001 = 0.2538 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 360 @ 0.0047 = 1.692 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: did they rule ?
artifexd: While BingoBoingo has my appreciation for selling ATC to me, my bid for 1,000,000 ATC at 150 satoshis remains open. Thanks BingoBoingo!
ThickAsThieves: not til April
mircea_popescu: artifexd why no put it on x-btc ?
artifexd: I put part of it on there.
mircea_popescu: aok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35126 @ 0.00082764 = 29.0717 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: that book getting some meat on it.
artifexd: eh. not really. 2 million is me.
mircea_popescu: a, the aero thing is yest news really.
mircea_popescu: artifexd that 500k and 1.5 mn?
artifexd: yeah
BingoBoingo: Yeah
artifexd: Wait. No. Only 500k of the 1.5 mn is me.
artifexd: So, I only have 1mn in bids up.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.05107333 = 1.5322 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.051 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.03636431 = 1.2728 BTC [-] {7}
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/d449b0f3da44baaedcce60296ee35ccd/tumblr_mwrxn19fNb1sls37no1_500.jpg
KRS-One: lol
KRS-One: https://twitter.com/FaceBitCoin/status/440916241554083840
ozbot: Twitter / FaceBitCoin: We got news for you, bub. If ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 84 @ 0.03187883 = 2.6778 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qv7HI6O1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
KRS-One: haha hmm
KRS-One: that girl is thick but looks damn good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02511115 = 0.3767 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qs9b7JS1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.63140501 = 3.7884 BTC [+] {4}
ThickAsThieves: COG selloff
mircea_popescu: !t h cog
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.02511115 / 0.0371273 / 0.05110001 (181 shares, 6.72004135 BTC), 7D: 0.02511115 / 0.04444576 / 0.08388999 (514 shares, 22.84512193 BTC), 30D: 0.02511115 / 0.06244861 / 0.11980000 (1662 shares, 103.78959078 BTC)
mircea_popescu: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.02512 = 0.1256 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: getting a surprising amount of traction on casascius coins this past week
artifexd: nubbins` What's a series 1 with error running for nowadays?
nubbins`: all of the series 1s have errors ;)
nubbins`: if you mean a 1btc brass series 1, anywhere from 2.5btc to 5btc
artifexd: I do. Thank you.
nubbins`: fun fact, the 2011 1btc series-2 (non-error) are much harder to find
nubbins`: yet they command a lower premium
nubbins`: figure that out
mircea_popescu: so buy a bunch and save them a decade
nubbins`: the problem with saving them for a decade is that i don't think the btc premium will hold up
mircea_popescu: someone should make a site allowing the pedigree of coins to be traced
mircea_popescu: it'll prove invaluable down the road
nubbins`: i've got pgp-signed documents from casascius stating my fingerprint and the serials of the coins i bought from him
nubbins`: i've been offering to extend the chain of custody with every sale
ThickAsThieves: plus, doge will take over btc anyway right
nubbins`: i think one person has taken me up on it so far
nubbins`: tat, +1
asciilifeform: coin should be electronic. with small camera, dead-reckoning navigation gyro... antifuse ROM for log.
asciilifeform: there's your pedigree record...
nubbins`: coindano
nubbins`: in my experience, most people who collect casascius coins don't know shit about coin collecting in general
nubbins`: it's very, very common to see people determining resale value based on face value ("3x face" etc)
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: take it the other way : the more you put into educating market, the sooner you'll have an educated market.
nubbins`: i've been trying, it's an uphill battle
mircea_popescu: your efforts explode exponentially, the fact you put in some sane structure today attracts wall street tomorrow
mircea_popescu: and of course a bunch of fuctards who imagine THEY had anything to do with it
mircea_popescu: but all that is plainly indifferent to you. there's no requirement the fucktards know who gaia is.
nubbins`: i honestly feel bad for the people paying 30btc for a 10btc piece because they saw an 0.5btc piece sell for 1.5
nubbins`: 18btc pissed down the drain
mircea_popescu: i feel bad with people with micropenis.
nubbins`: do you?!
mircea_popescu: for people*
mircea_popescu: sure.
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426836.msg5239917#msg5239917
ozbot: [WTS] Casascius Series 1 1BTC, 5 BTC, 25 BTC
mircea_popescu: not like they had 20 inches and decided to piss 18 of them away ya know ?
nubbins`: ^ re: face value and resale value
nubbins`: too true
mircea_popescu: such shitty photos
nubbins`: even the good photos are shitty. those things are almost impossible to photograph well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 751 @ 0.0047 = 3.5297 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: because no tools.
mircea_popescu: (hint : spot lights don't work for coins)
nubbins`: nod. you need lighting
nubbins`: cell phone cameras are inadequare
nubbins`: inadequate, even
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30631 @ 0.00082649 = 25.3162 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00469999 = 0.3008 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Even at today's exchange rates, that's a TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLAR premium. For a privately-minted round issued in 2013.
mircea_popescu: Go into a coin store and tell them about this, watch their jaw hit the floor.
mircea_popescu: word.
mircea_popescu: anyway : you need a flat panel difuse lighting thing.
mircea_popescu: there's special kits for taking pics of small shiny shit like coins
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: phone cameras usually have auto-focus as well, which really shits the bed photographing the holos
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498302.0
ozbot: Eternal Bitcoin Bonds by Usagi
mircea_popescu: this should be self-explainatory.
nubbins`: best casascius photos i ever took with a phone, and they're shit: http://imgur.com/a/BWHw5
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, if you use a bed the advantage is that the focus is fixed
mircea_popescu: and you know VERY well exactly how far off the item is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0762 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: fun fact, i sold that coin for 5.5btc
nubbins`: "In short, you have NOTHING to worry about."
nubbins`: i've heard that before
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/critical-crypto-bug-leaves-linux-hundreds-of-apps-open-to-eavesdropping/
ozbot: Critical crypto bug leaves Linux, hundreds of apps open to eavesdropping | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: Don't Blame The Mice!
jcpham: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499965.msg5512103#msg5512103
ozbot: WTS: 2012 McLaren MP4-12C 3.8L 616HP Supercar
asciilifeform: also fun:
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/journalist-nsa-wont-give-me-a-secure-channel-to-communicate-on/
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: 'It's significant that no one managed to notice such glaring errors, particularly since they were contained in code that anyone can review.' << ahahaha
nubbins`: "Hiring a lawyer to recoup < 50BTC is idiotic. Lack of practical legal recourse is what makes Bitcoin scamming so attractive."
nubbins`: i've heard THAT before, too.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i wish i had to use a glass to hear my neighbours
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: what, you mean https is in no way s ?
mircea_popescu: who would have thought this!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "what, you mean just because people could expend highly specialised, intricate work that's usually highly paid for free it doesn't mean they also will?!?!?!"
asciilifeform: it would remain derp even if the code were written to spec, by a god.
asciilifeform: because PKI == chumpatron
mircea_popescu: gedankenexperiment : cleanning the streets in my town is open source
mircea_popescu: i could be out there scraping gum from the sidewalk at this very moment.
asciilifeform: fools will install the patched version, and 'ahhh i'm seekure now.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0905256 = 1.0863 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09254285 = 0.6478 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: grumble, no closer to getting keyboard input working in eulora
nubbins`: i wish there was someone else trying this on osx so we could compare notes ;(
mircea_popescu: me2
nubbins`: [17:15:46] <ProphetDaniel> Hi there gentlemen
nubbins`: [17:15:53] <ProphetDaniel> I'm a newbie over here.
nubbins`: [17:16:35] <ProphetDaniel> And I would like to receive a positive 1 rating for learning the GPG/OTC for BTC
deadweasel: "i opened my box of animal crackers, what did I win?
nubbins`: "i learned how to do my job, where is my raise?"
deadweasel: i exist, therefore rate me a positive 1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61357 = 1.8407 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: ;:rate deadweasel 1 he exists
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60007504 = 2.4003 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1437 BTC [+]
benkay`: http://www.meetup.com/Wantrepreneurs-Anonymous/?gj=ej1b&a=wg2_l1
benkay`: i get it
benkay`: everyone's retarded and incapable of doing things
benkay`: wanting ratings for using gpg
benkay`: thinking they're running companies
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: what do you think future revenues look like after the changes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0896002 = 0.448 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00083069 = 24.2146 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: what are we talking about ?
Mats_cd03: @ s.mpoe
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: haven't read backlog yet, has s.bbet divident already been discussed?
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ report published, dividend paid, was there a problem ?
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 hard to say.
asciilifeform: s.bbet ?!
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: nm
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: i have the feeling i got too much ;)
mircea_popescu: uhm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0895 = 0.537 BTC [-] {2}
FabianB_: total div divided by 3 mil instead of 10 mil
jurov: how much did you get per share?
mircea_popescu: Mar 04 11:24:30 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.68215411 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 122 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: ayup.
FabianB_: 122 satoshi per
mircea_popescu: a well, thanks for pointing out ><
FabianB_: but i think it should be around 37 satoshi
mircea_popescu: will be charging 2.577507877 BTC against march profits.
benkay`: why does the div command even have a notional float?!
mircea_popescu: early dividends because the mp can't math.
ThickAsThieves: heh
mircea_popescu: benkay` mostly for this reason.
FabianB_: heh, the bbet usual :)
mircea_popescu: we are very serious about our accounting
ThickAsThieves: what if i sell my bbet?
mircea_popescu: we just don't use the same maths as the rest of you
ThickAsThieves: no debt to pay!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves efficient market hypothesis!
benkay`: it just introduces an opportunity to screw things up.
FabianB_: well, shit happens
mircea_popescu: your shares have already been discounted
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ on a monthly basis
FabianB_: yeah, since next months div will be better anyway :)
ThickAsThieves: friggin scammars
ThickAsThieves: better bet yes on altcoin market cap bet to cover losses
FabianB_: i guess it's the only sane way to move it to next month
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ pretty much.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0047387 = 0.2369 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: im just slightly distraught that there's no way i can blame this on kakobrekla
nubbins`: well, there is one way
nubbins`: unjustifiably ;D
mircea_popescu: benkay` but in seriousness : the float in the div command allows 3rd parties to verify the float.
mircea_popescu: as mpex won't let you pay for less than the records show, and you don't want to pay for more.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04299986 = 0.344 BTC [+] {2}
FabianB_: most s.bbet shareholders are longterm anyway
benkay`: didn't you just pay to less than the nominal float?
mircea_popescu: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.00050531 / 0.000511 (810 shares, 0.41 BTC), 30D: 0.0005 / 0.000616 / 0.00077 (22069 shares, 13.59 BTC)
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ indeed lol.
mircea_popescu: benkay` no. to more.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 37 @ 0.04389905 = 1.6243 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: basically i paid the entire profit to the 3mn shares outstanding
mircea_popescu: rather than pay 0.3xprofit to the 3mn shares outstanding
benkay`: ah yeah
benkay`: that thing where you have shares off the exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0439103 = 0.6147 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04417857 = 0.3092 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5512802#msg5512802
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
mircea_popescu: teh gift that just keeps on givin'
BitcoinPropagand: Any btc millionaire here?
BitcoinPropagand: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=447133.60
ThickAsThieves: lol usagi
benkay`: these arts are really impressive
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla 0: -0 / +1(1)2013-07-151140 btc CPA contract.
ThickAsThieves: wassat?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves back in 2012 i think ? kako had an insurance deal on which usagi's cpa paid out
ThickAsThieves: word, the date threw me
mircea_popescu: yeah no way that was last august
mircea_popescu: it was way before your time
benkay`: BitcoinPropagand: austerity has neat type design, i just don't care about austerity at all.
benkay`: or working class gold at all.
benkay`: ufo for sale is moderately amusing
ThickAsThieves: ‏@CharlieShrem 3h
ThickAsThieves: Tomorrow, 12CT/1ET I'll be giving a powerful speech via Skype adapted from @Falkvinge Stockholm, 2006 freedom demonstration. #TexasBitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00082643 = 37.7679 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/440930297153347584
ozbot: Twitter / BBCBreaking: Russia test-fires ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32184 @ 0.00082992 = 26.7101 BTC [+]
benkay`: and more, BingoBoingo http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/world/europe/top-russians-face-sanctions-by-us-for-crimea-crisis.html?_r=0
benkay`: that'n's per-tic-u-ler-ly lulzy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000021 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/774/feeder-cattle-jan-2015-over-250-at-any/
ozbot: BitBet - Feeder Cattle Jan 2015 over $250 at any point in 2014
mircea_popescu: if anybody got any feeder cattle.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]
moiety: the bitbet i have been waiting for!
pLambert: what is this, a bitbet not based on bitcoin? Absurd!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.58261144 = 6.9913 BTC [-] {8}
moiety: how much do storage containers cost?
benkay`: TEU's run about 1.6KUSD over here, moiety.
mircea_popescu: yeah, coupla grand or so
benkay`: china ships 'em over and then doesn't want them back.
mircea_popescu: but you can't move gfs in containers.
moiety: ok i have a new grand plan!
BingoBoingo: WHy not?
moiety: yes you can mircea_popescu in fact, loads of them at once!
mircea_popescu: ps : for the people not doing agrifutures : gf is the code prefix for feeder cattle.
moiety: ohhh
moiety: lol
mircea_popescu: gfj4 is the current on the run (apr 2014)
ninjashogun: hi
ninjashogun: hi, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ello
moiety: this week's grand plan: (this one is for accomodation) http://www.worthytoshare.com/house-super-cool-inside-outside-shocked-much
nubbins`: "a powerful speech via Skype"
nubbins`: lel
mircea_popescu: moiety yeah well, the poor of india live in containers since the 50s
nubbins`: "a serious document written in red crayon"
mircea_popescu: there are problem
mircea_popescu: nubbins` kids today.
pLambert: mircea_popescu: in your statements you keep saying "The P/E implied value per share is so far 0 BTC." What is that going to say when you do have earnings? Do you have a PE value you will calculate an estimated price from?
moiety: i bet they don't look like that mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: pLambert well, avg price / earnings
mircea_popescu: moiety there are problems, such as due to lack of foundations.
mircea_popescu: poor thermic and fonic insulation
mircea_popescu: it's really not such a great solution.
pLambert: yeah, I know how to get PE, but what is a P/E implied value?
moiety: 6 containers @ 2k each seemed fab idea.. ok i'll stay in my igloo
asciilifeform: shipping container works best when you bury in a concrete-lined pit.
mircea_popescu: pLambert the implied simply translates the fact that the earnigns and the price signals are averages and so... a guess.
mircea_popescu: moiety 1.5-2k is for an actually functional ones.
moiety: asciilifeform: couldn't you sort of paint the inside iof it with cement?
mircea_popescu: you can prolly buy scrap for the cost of metal.
asciilifeform: moiety: structural, rather than decorative
moiety: yes but to save having to bury it
asciilifeform: earth + planks is the frame for the pour.
asciilifeform: so, buried.
moiety: i just feel renting is such bad value
asciilifeform: moiety: you rent a shipping container?
mircea_popescu: no, she curently rents a tea cozy
mircea_popescu: but plans to move up in the world
moiety: you qould buy it if you were to live in it though right
asciilifeform: where i live, it is forbidden to live in anything that is not a house, except in specially-designated leper colonies.
moiety: mircea_popescu: exactly! discovering containers aren't really 'up' though now XD
moiety: asciilifeform: there was a couple here built an amazing house and they had to tear it down becauseit didn't qualify
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so move to missouri. you can live in a beer can tower there
moiety: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/couple-lose-fight-save-hobbit-5395091
asciilifeform: see note re: leper colonies
ozbot: Couple lose fight to save 'hobbit house' eco-home from demolition - Wales Online
moiety: wonderful inside
mircea_popescu: The appeal by Megan Williams was dismissed because the 'benefits of the development did not outweigh the harm to the character and appearance of the countryside'.
mircea_popescu: what srsly ?
dub: was thinking about putting something like this behind my place as a bar/bbq kitchen
dub: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV4WbCQOCa8ZDbgw85e5GZ6MEMF-yrlMXto3-tzrFip8ytMsx8
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked anybody,. it's their fucking land.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you have allodial titles where you live?
mircea_popescu: in this sense, yes we do.
mircea_popescu: you can build whatever the fuck you please as long as you own the land.
asciilifeform: in anglo world, land isn't really owned, just borrowed from the crown - like in ussr.
mircea_popescu: ;;google turn eiffel slobozia
gribble: The Eiffel Tower Replica In Slobozia, Romania Is Especially Awesome: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/01/the-eiffel-tower-replica-_n_4337941.html>; Slobozia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobozia>; List of Eiffel Tower replicas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eiffel_Tower_replicas>
mircea_popescu: yes, but in the roman empire land is actually owned.
dub: http://1.design-milk.com/images/2013/05/roundup-container-homes-1-600x247.jpg badass
asciilifeform: colleague of mine had to search for ages when buying a house where one was permitted to... plant an orchard.
mircea_popescu: ridiculous
mircea_popescu: romanian friends went to us, bought land, proceeded to build (proper) house ☟︎
dub: I could keep hens here but not a rooster
mircea_popescu: which means, concrete foundation, brick walls ☟︎
dub: and pen must be 1m from boundary
mircea_popescu: ended up with a fucking bitter legal fight and eventually left the place with the idea that the us is a pre-modern shithole
asciilifeform: let me guess. couldn't get a government-approved architect to sign off on it
mircea_popescu: no, you were not allowed to build houses that solid.
mircea_popescu: gotta use vinyl siding crap
asciilifeform: haha
mircea_popescu: yeah it was like "i'm shooting this pencilneck" "dude what the fuck do you care about some random us pencilneck. go to peru, build there."
ninjashogun: is anyone here interested in loans? (I'm trying to raisie one as part of bootstrapping my hardware startup)
mircea_popescu: at this rate we'll probably end up with a "no soliciting" rule.
dub: let me in on dat
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun you think something magically changed since last week or w/e ?
ninjashogun: last week or w/e I also connected with people. Didn't find the right match. Different people could be in here now.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: perhaps you have mistaken the address. loan lives at bank.
ninjashogun: likewise, the person that I basically actually have done all the legwork with, shared many forms of contact, etc, and agreed on basic terms - I also met online (different channel.)
mircea_popescu: you misunderstand how things work to an amusing degree.
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ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I don't think a bank loan can be used to finance what I'm doing. If it could there would be no need for angels in the world.
mircea_popescu: nothing can be used to finance what you're doing you fuckwit you.
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: bank loan can finance a dope habit
asciilifeform: you just have to... pay it back
asciilifeform: is the intended implication that... you don't intend to?
mircea_popescu: this nonsense whereby you secrete your own fictious world where you're not an idiot in spite of actually being an idiot is unfinanceable.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, well, considering that the startup has already been financed to an extent, your statement is false. Something can't be unfinanceable if it has been financed.
mircea_popescu: jesus god.
asciilifeform: if financed, then why ask?
pLambert: mircea_popescu: do we need another trilema post about how things are supposed to work?
mircea_popescu: pLambert no, because kids know better than to read anything anyway
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, because that was over a year ago, and that was to the company.
asciilifeform: and new one is to be to... ?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I would like to bootstrap a bit farther and need to make further milestones that have a nontrivial cost for me.
mircea_popescu: personally i blame the school system. this new idea whereby instead of beating them every time they fail to consult the dictionary upon encountering an unknown world they're encouraged to guess "based on context" what "it might mean"
mircea_popescu: it's been the ruin of an entire generation.
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: what are you building, that you need a loan? airplane? particle accelerator?
ninjashogun: to myself, as a personal loan. I would like to do it this way because the company has become much more valuable, has assigned IP assets, etc. It doesn't make sense to raise a small amount of company by the company.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun you are nobody. what personal ?
mircea_popescu: does your brain work at all ?
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I'd ask you to tone it down a bit.
mircea_popescu: but i mean, at all. to an absolute modicum of minimal function.
mircea_popescu: fuck you
asciilifeform: i'm genuinely curious what this fellow intends to do with the money
mircea_popescu: you don't ask anything.
BingoBoingo: ;;ident ninjashogun
gribble: Nick 'ninjashogun', with hostmask 'ninjashogun!~User@', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, because the hip thing to do is to come here each week and not wot, and then ask mp to tone it down a bit
asciilifeform: if the answer is 'pay for groceries' he has the wrong address
mircea_popescu: god forbid anyone ever tells you when you're an idiot.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, yes, like your examples of airplane and particle acccelerator, it is physical hardware. Obviously a plane on a new design would cost millions in R&D, however we just have proprietary educational hardware and have very modest needs (under about $17K)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I see.
ninjashogun: which is why I wuold not raise external money for it - it is a small amount I would use as a bridge loan. But your thinking is correct, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: please consider saying what it is.
asciilifeform: if you want to have a sporting chance of interesting someone
mircea_popescu: anyway, taking ideas on how exactly one manages to help the dunning-kruger crowd of entrepreneurs.
jborkl: you would be better off going to the lending subsection on bitcointalk
jborkl: that is where those type of loans reside
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: for instance, if you were to reveal what the hardware is, i might take pity and tell you how to obtain an equivalent for 17 instead of 17k usd.
nubbins`: ninjashogun if you ident i can provide you with any size loan you need
pLambert: I don't understand, why would you take a personal loan to finance your business instead of having your business get the loan it needs?
mircea_popescu: "Feb 25 08:13:06 <ninjashogun>guys I've received some suggestions to "lurk" and "read logs" here, which I wouldn't really have time to do. It was nice meeting you all though and I may be back as the project progresses. Overall I don't think I will be spending a ton of time building WoT, advisors, etc - as I have real-world references for the moment that I would expect anyone to consutl."
mircea_popescu: that's where we're at.
mircea_popescu: you have to be incredibly fucking retarded to go "hey guise, i don't give a shit about you bye"
mircea_popescu: then copme back a week later going "hey guise pls charity ???"
mircea_popescu: you've chosen your road, you're too good to do what you're supposed to do, go do it somewhere else.
pLambert: oh, wait, these things are recorded?
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: of course they're recorded.
nubbins`: every word
mircea_popescu: pLambert we've not even come to the part where he's taking a BTC denominated loan.
pLambert: getting a BTC loan is easy ... paying it back is the hard part!
BingoBoingo: Want to borrow, 5-10 BTC for gambling. Three month term, will return principle + 10% or list of losing bets << Is this questionable and scammy enough, I also ams not auth'd ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and to top it all off, i actually took the time to point out to him the previous beggar that ended up here drug in by the openbsd story
mircea_popescu: at least that guy had a decent whine about noisy laptops and naked wives in eastern russia
BingoBoingo: Unfortunately he didn't anticipate mircea_popescu's preference whereby wives be naked
nubbins`: "or list of losing bets"
nubbins`: i like it
mircea_popescu: i wonder what roger ver pays for a list of losing bets
BingoBoingo: That's a good question
BingoBoingo: The problem with that loan structure known is it is easy to compile hypothetical losing bets after the fact
mircea_popescu: that's ok, roger ver buys everything
mircea_popescu: he's rich, bich.
mod6: heh
BingoBoingo: If only Betbet allowed bets open longer than a Year, "Roger Ver to fall under 1 BTC in holding by 2020"
mircea_popescu: how would you ever verify it ?
BingoBoingo: Also a good question.
BingoBoingo: Maybe Usagi's Eternal bond can buy into the gambling loan from hell.
mircea_popescu: only if you talk nice to him
mircea_popescu: actually... he's probably in desperate need of a friend.
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/canada-post-says-sorry-for-homophobic-flyer-delivery-1.2559680
ozbot: Canada Post says sorry for homophobic-flyer delivery - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
BingoBoingo: I've probably talked mean to him in the past
nubbins`: interesting that they chose that for a headline, rather than "Canada Post now vetting and censoring addressed admail"
nubbins`: guess this means the price of stamps is going up
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ideally they stop delivering admail altogether.
mircea_popescu: that'd be a splendid measure.
nubbins`: would be even nicer
nubbins`: i'd be able to take the "no flyers please" sign off my mailbox
nubbins`: too much money in it tho
nubbins`: 40-50 cents per piece
mircea_popescu: perhaps i'm being silly, but i suspect there's actually a hidden barb in there. ie, superficially it seems there's too much money to give in,
mircea_popescu: but if you gave it up suddenly the post office wouldn't be floundering anymore.
mircea_popescu: consider the situation of prostitutes. while fucking random men for money is in fact more income than your average married woman makes on a day by day basis, cash in hand basis
mircea_popescu: nevertheless the net worth, average expenditure etc of married women exceeds that of prostitutes.
mircea_popescu: maybe if the post office quit being a whore it'd actually not go bankrupt every 15 years.
nubbins`: they're trying to phase out home delivery now, and move everyone to neighbourhood "supermailboxes"
nubbins`: the elderly and infirm be damned!
mircea_popescu: so you have to go queue for your flyers ?
nubbins`: http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/FF/CCB86F359BC0386F7CABB6137B4B.jpg
nubbins`: not enough of them in one spot for a queue to be necessary
nubbins`: (do you think flyers still get delivered to that particular box?)
mircea_popescu: heh
ninjashogun: sorry, nubbins`, just read the backlog now. I was chatting with a couple of people sorry.
nubbins`: ninjashogun: don't worry about it, i was kidding anyway. go fuck yourself
ninjashogun: I don't need 'any size loan' and we could look at the budget breakdown together as well - I would expect it to be based on real world identities and paperwork, not IRC.
BingoBoingo: Those seem to default more frequently than properly structured IRC loans though.
mircea_popescu: ok, which one of you trolls is impersonating satan over here ?
nubbins`: ninjashogun: consider that you might as well be walking into banks asking for a loan and providing your WoT identity
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/9Ef7F07z
ozbot: spamatron - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: brb shepher's pie :D
ninjashogun: nubbins` Okay I'll bite. For people with real-world assets and paperwork, what on Earth benefit does ANYONE here get out of a robust WoT system existing?
mircea_popescu: you ever heard of this thing called bitcoin ?
ninjashogun: nubbins`, why is it a benefit for you that that even exists? (For cases where there is a real world identity behind both sides)
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: Well just this afternoon someone supposed a deal, I took and and the thing was resolved in minutes.
ninjashogun: yeah mircea_popescu, I just heard of an exchange that might have just walked off with millions in deposits, because rather than rely on real world contracts to protect creditors (people who deposit) it just built an online trust model.
mircea_popescu: you misheard.
BingoBoingo: The used real world contracts to defraud, when they should have implemented a strong trust model
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - if you trusted a stranger based on a WoT score and resolved a deal in a few minutes, you're very likely going to be scammed one day. It takes far longer than a few minutes to verify someone's identity that you've never met.
nubbins`: you're nothing if not tenacious
nubbins`: i'm not sure how best to express that nobody in this channel will ever, ever give you what you're looking for
nubbins`: almost every regular has tried
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: People don't have a "WoT score" they have personalize networks. The score is the least relevant part of a WoT
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - trust models can't be programmatic, or they will be games. For example someone will set up $10K just to spend on interest as they do hundreds of transactions with trusted members over a year - the only goal being to be given a $200K transaction that they then walk off with. You can't build trust programmatically.
mircea_popescu: actually, a better expression : over a short week, youv'e gone from some random scum nobody'd consider seriously to someone that everyone would make a point out of never doing any sort of business with. sort of from 0 to -100
mircea_popescu: i guess itmust be a talent.
asciilifeform: it is so very easy to build... distrust programmatically.
mircea_popescu: incredibly, but true. this can actually be done.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, well, this does not match my impression of conversations off of this channel. You seem to be the only one with a very strong view. I would humbly submit that it is due to your strong interest in one particular financial model. Of course if you start swearing at me people will dislike me.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I've had private conversations that were just fine. It's true that you disagree with my approach and have clout here, you certainly set the tone in here, that's your right.
asciilifeform: actually i don't think anyone here is particularly fond of spammers and charlatans
mircea_popescu: that's a convenient misrepresentation.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure everyone here'd manage to feed his children with or without me.
mircea_popescu: darn, beat to it again.
mircea_popescu: i really have to learn to type with both hands
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09299796 = 0.279 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: lol a lot Diablo 2 players with they could type with one hand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what are you up to these days anyway ?
asciilifeform: color me clueless, but i'm curious: who wrote eulora ?
mircea_popescu: it's a huge pile of software upon which chetty sits
asciilifeform: yes, i saw the bit about the uncooperative graphics libs, etc. but who wrote the remainder?
asciilifeform: chetty ?
mircea_popescu: nah, there's cal3d, which is a gfx library mostly. open source.
asciilifeform: remainder being the actual logic of the game
mircea_popescu: then there's crystal space, which is a collection of tools including networking and tons of other stuff
asciilifeform: there is one author, chetty?
mircea_popescu: only one credited so far.
asciilifeform: aha ok
mircea_popescu: why, you wanna dig into some C spaghetti ?
asciilifeform: just wondering which other people here commit the sin of programming.
mircea_popescu: i would say it's a safe bet that everyone but me
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: digging gratuitous C spaghetti as we speak.
mircea_popescu: and maybe nubbins. he draws.
mircea_popescu: and i guess moiety. she... hm. hey moiety do you code ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8546 @ 0.00018001 = 1.5384 BTC [-] {3}
wao-ender: dicktricks.blogspot.com
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I've read more of your blogs. I'm curious about one thing. Do you have any investor relationships? (On your financial or exchange site, or whatever it is.) Meaning, do you have external investors of any kind?
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mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: ;;google s.mpoe takes strategic investor
gribble: MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/mpex/>; Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/>; Iunie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/06>
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mircea_popescu: hm what was it called
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/smpoe-takes-strategic-investor/ there
ozbot: S.MPOE takes strategic investor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: shame on you google.
mircea_popescu: wao-ender what the hell is that
wao-ender: manual!
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, your style is 100% different from anything I've seen in my (albeit limited) interaction with business or investors. Your post quotes yourself, saying that you would not announce something publically. You post your own IRC conversation that you intend not to be public :)
mircea_popescu: yes, it is.
ninjashogun: publicly*
mircea_popescu: time is the essence there. everything becomes public eventually.
moiety: mircea_popescu: badly, i'm learning
mircea_popescu: moiety what are you learning ? php ?
ninjashogun: is that a 38,625 BTC transaction investing in s.mpoe?
ninjashogun: sorry I don't know how to read "assbot"
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mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-1-10-americans-html-std-study-finds-20140304,0,1188415.story
ozbot: 1 in 10 Americans think HTML is an STD, study finds - latimes.com
mircea_popescu: i wonder what css is then
ninjashogun: well, congratulations
moiety: mircea_popescu: javascript, html/css (obv) and i will go into php. i'm scared of the contents page of the python book
asciilifeform: XX% click random box when answering survey. news at 11...
mircea_popescu: moiety maybe you're not the sort that learns by books, but work better with examples.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly 10%, which is why i quoted it.
mircea_popescu: "10% of respondents will lie in any study" is the adage of social sciences.
asciilifeform: well, YY% deliberately pick the most perverse answer
mircea_popescu: the fact that the author eschewed the 10% notation (which is like a symbol by now) for 1 in 10 is kind-of telling
mircea_popescu: they know they got nothing
asciilifeform: haha
moiety: mircea_popescu: i think you're right, goes in better to see things working rather than a mass of info for me :)
ninjashogun: moiety, what are you building?
mircea_popescu: so then work it that way. build an exchange
moiety: my kingdom!
moiety: erm just sites just now ninjashogun i think i'll know what to do more, the more i learn XD
asciilifeform: moiety: example - the blockchain-operated www-less exchange discussed last week (?)
asciilifeform: good project for beginner
asciilifeform: (guaranteed not to behave perversely 'under load', no web crap)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what does she do, import blockchain ?
ninjashogun: Chapter 1) <h1>Hello</h2> Chapter 2) p {color:black;text-align:center;} Chapter 3) alert("I am an alert box!"); Chapter 4) Putting it all together: Opening your own online exchange
asciilifeform: use conventional bitcoind (and litecoind, or whatever the other side of the trades is)
mircea_popescu: moiety you ever managed to compile bitcoin or any altcoin from source ?
moiety: no i haven't attempted it
asciilifeform: and spew forth 'listtransactions ....' and 'sendrawtransaction ....' etc
asciilifeform: no need for special programming language support.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your project may be outside of what she conveniently approaches.
asciilifeform: easier project, for complete beginner, then
asciilifeform: translate http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/GD.BAS to modern programming language of your choice
mircea_popescu: you are possibly the worst pedagogue i have ever seen.
asciilifeform: hah
asciilifeform: what would you suggest - 'hello world' ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever saw basic look so close to lisp anyway
asciilifeform: problems have to be interesting
asciilifeform: or student goes somewhere far away
moiety: i'll try this!
mircea_popescu: well this is true
mircea_popescu: moiety it can possibly be done in javascript i suppose
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, wtf - did you write that basic code?
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: it is far older than i.
asciilifeform: and was originally fortran.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a wait, this is the source for the markov chain predictor innit
asciilifeform: righto
ninjashogun: okay, I'll bite. What does sp and sk and k1 stand for? I'll assume p1 and p2 are two...points...
mircea_popescu: didn't mike_c translate it to js just to pester me ?
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, good guess! Congrats.
asciilifeform: the version on my page (http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html) is js
asciilifeform: a very hasty js
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, yeah I was just thinking how close that basic looks to Perl. Leaevs you with the same impression :)
mircea_popescu: probably cause it's written by perlispers stuck in a basic body
asciilifeform: don't let the capital letters fool you - there is nothing peculiar about the basic
moiety: you just gave me the answer!
Namworld: I need to borrow auroracoins
ninjashogun: don't peek, moiety :)
mircea_popescu: Namworld i don't have any
asciilifeform: from the lulzfarm: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/ukraine-national-socialism.htm
Namworld: So freakishly bad
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/dead-soldier-gets-1-cent-cheque-from-federal-government-1.2559809
ozbot: Dead soldier gets 1-cent cheque from federal government - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton
mircea_popescu: for ich bin nicht ein islandeer
nubbins`: BRUTAL
ninjashogun: no life is worthless :/
nubbins`: also brutal that some scumbag politicians used it as an excuse to blast the government in the house of commons
nubbins`: but seriously, imagine
nubbins`: two and a half years after your son kills himself, the government sends him a cheque for a fuckin penny
mircea_popescu: i imagine the costs of "making sure this never happens again" will be happily borne by everyone then
ninjashogun: “I extend the apologies of … everyone in the government to his mother. And we thank this individual for the service that he gave his country,” he said, "and are saddened by this grave error. The check was never meant to go out. Mrs. Stark, please accept our sincerest apologies - and by all means, keep the penny."
mircea_popescu: lmao they said that ?!
nubbins`: no ;(
moiety: omg insult to injury or what
nubbins`: they don't even make pennies anymore. if you cashed that at a bank, you wouldn't get anything.
mircea_popescu: what if they had sent him 2cent cheque ?
Namworld: the last part wasn't said.
mircea_popescu: hey, here's our 2c
moiety: reminds me of http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10000332/Daughter-takes-fathers-ashes-to-bank-to-prove-he-is-dead.html
nubbins`: if it was 3 they'd round it to 5
mircea_popescu: i threatened my bank's clerk with having her write me one penny cashier checques for a few hundred lei coupla weeks back
Namworld: No, it only becomes acceptable at 5.50$ or higher.
mircea_popescu: she went pale
Namworld: Obviously
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mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/10/the_story_of_narcissus.html
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus
mircea_popescu: this guy's too good, for srs.
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moiety: oh i love this blog. i was on there for ages other day after you linked it mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: very smart guy.
mircea_popescu: he should have his own school.
moiety: honesty and reality amongst psychiatrists in this manner is rare, love the way he talks
moiety: felt like forwarding several things to doctors from my last hospital
moiety: (where i worked btw!!!!)
mircea_popescu: actually he should probably have his own country.
mircea_popescu: putin is ok, but what if ballas was dictator-general of latvia or something
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his subjects will read the tales, and, having understood well, will seppuku from remorse (in a hidden place, so as to perform the act non-narcissistically.)
mircea_popescu: i dunno
mircea_popescu: i read them and feel roughly on par with a good session of reading the torah
mircea_popescu: tho arguably less demanding.
asciilifeform: to my shame i admit that the part with echo and narcissus reminded me of the fellow who had Eliza and Ractor talk to each other.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: s/ractor/parry
mircea_popescu: who won ?
asciilifeform: http://www.computableminds.com/post/chatbot/eliza/parry/skynet/human-language/natural-language ☟︎
ozbot: Eliza and Parry: When the machines talked to each other
asciilifeform: there we go
mircea_popescu: afa\ik it was actually ractor
mircea_popescu: wasn't it the schizzo ?
asciilifeform: parry
asciilifeform: (robo-schizzo)
asciilifeform: eliza (for the uninitiated - robo-shrink)
mircea_popescu: it was ractor tho
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: wtf was ractor!
asciilifeform: PARRY: I went to the races.
asciilifeform: ELIZA: Please go on.
asciilifeform: PARRY: Do you know anything about bookies?
asciilifeform: ELIZA: What makes you think I know anything about bookies?
asciilifeform: PARRY: A bookie didn't pay me off once.
asciilifeform: ELIZA: What does that suggest to you?
asciilifeform: PARRY: I beat up the bookie who did not pay off, and I thought he might use his friends in the underworld to get even with me
moiety: mircea_popescu: he doesn't need a country, he needs to advise the world: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/everyone_goes_crazy_in_differe.html
asciilifeform: if i recall, ractor was meant to write stories
mircea_popescu: anyway, you're right, it was parry that was the souped up eliza
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mircea_popescu: you know we should probably make a decoy chatroom
mircea_popescu: each write a bot
asciilifeform blows dust off shelf
asciilifeform: 'Artificial Intelligence and Literary Creativity: Inside the Mind of BRUTUS, a Storytelling Machine', Bringsjord & Ferrucci
mircea_popescu is looking to buy bot hosting nao
asciilifeform: good overview of the extant zoo of chatbots and shannonizers
mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever read it
asciilifeform: it's not a famous mega-work
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ninjashogun: mirceau - could I have a copy of http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ please? It was linked from this interesting http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/01/how-silicon-valley-could-learn-to-bitcoin-part1/ that BingoBoingo linked me.
mircea_popescu: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/parry/ btw
ozbot: Index of /afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/parry
mircea_popescu: so what's wrong with clicking the link ?
mircea_popescu: and why do you spell my name like deprived ?
BingoBoingo wonder how long it takes to catch with ninjashogun on that BingoBoingo did not merely link the linking article, but wrote it
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves i made a deal with him before he went all mental, whats the issue? he paid. at least what we agreed on the end.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/9Ef7F07z
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: poor fellow is a bit of slow learner
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most people are without a gasenwagen
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ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I considered that a private conversation.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I will say that I am glad I was on guard with you. Anyone who builds anything has to manage building it with talking about it.
benkay`: ninjashogun: there's no minimum IQ required for participating on the internet.
benkay`: :)
mircea_popescu: the philosophical problem would be that privacy is impossible without identity
ninjashogun: hi, benkay`
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, could you elaborate?
asciilifeform: spammer wants to talk to one chump at a time
asciilifeform: i get it
benkay`: asciilifeform your chumpatron essay came up at lunch today
asciilifeform: for all he knows, user with handle 'asciilifeform' is not alive at all, but only a bot that spews all PM'd crap out into #bitcoin-assets an hour later.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun sheep have no privacy, nor crabs nor birds. privacy is a construct of the human mind, and it is built upon identity. which you don't currently have.