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thestringpuller: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 438803.55 in 889 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.66
BingoBoingo: https://chronicle.com/forums/index.php?topic=53051.0
assbot: Dry Erase Boards vs. Chalk Boards
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.21966306 = 1.5376 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: o hai ass ets
mircea_popescu: <artifexd> I now understand mp's desire to limit []bot's reports in here to bets >= 1BTC. There have been a lot of bets lately. It would have made for a lot of noise in here. << :p
BingoBoingo: o hai
mircea_popescu: lol noboy voiced * pmarcup (~circuser-@12.130.117.131) has joined #bitcoin-assets ? what if it was teh horowitz guy ?
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/ladder/
assbot: ladder
BingoBoingo: Well, did pmarcup ask anyone for voice?
mircea_popescu: i dun get it ;/
BingoBoingo: The simplest test for having a minimal level of participation in this channel is now, when realizing you can't speak can you ask someone online to offer you voice. It's such a low barrier to entry that... If the Horowitz guy could not solve that problem...
mircea_popescu: this is a point
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306036 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 395 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 9 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13088465973.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.32912
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves had it, look at the hash explosion
BingoBoingo: Coin Terra's data center is in Utah. I wonder how much hash they have out there in the desert...
mircea_popescu: is ghash still 50% ?
BingoBoingo: I haven't looked.
mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> so the australian securities exchange has completely lost its marbles << why ? they wanna compete in the ghlobal markets.
mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> thankfully, they made $1.6m from the share sale << kinda pathetic i guess.
mircea_popescu: * mthreat watching it too << dude everyone here was watching it, it was uncanny going down the streets and seeing everybody in all the eateries, bars, restaurants, everything just oriented the same way like it was fucking mecca
mircea_popescu: the waiters gathered round like they're not even working there
mircea_popescu: etc
mircea_popescu: under 40% now
mircea_popescu: ghash i mean
mircea_popescu: !up anthor_
mthreat: <mircea_popescu> ... everything just oriented the same way like it was fucking mecca << it's a religion... apparently in 1978 when they won the world cup, it was big a distraction as the government was kidnapping, torturing, and killing 30,000 "desaparecidos".
mircea_popescu: o which reminds me, whats with this bruno guy in peur
mircea_popescu: a ok, mental case. nm.
BingoBoingo: !up elliot_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20934 @ 0.0008258 = 17.2873 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00082742 = 21.0992 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> under 40% now < thats whats published.
mircea_popescu: conspiraci ?
mircea_popescu: the over 50% that sent todd in a tizzy was also what's published.
kakobrekla: yes but its not a problem until you are at 50
kakobrekla: they supposedly turned off 20% of their power and total network is +11%
kakobrekla: not going well together
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: the notion that public knows anything about distribution of hash cycles - is a bit strange.
mircea_popescu: it's not just up 11%
kakobrekla: well whatever.
mircea_popescu: in fact, it's 11% over TWO WEEKS, when two days ago it was up 5%
mircea_popescu: so it made .06 of 14 days in one. it's up 100%
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform muy.
mircea_popescu: but quite in line with the presumptious ignorance of redditards. they also think they know things about politics, and even imagine they influence it.
thestringpuller: ;;calc 20 * 180
gribble: 3600
thestringpuller: do the redditards think they influenced the hash distribution?
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: (see the 40% figure)
Mats_cd03: spurs dominating :(
thestringpuller: go to r/bitcoin. digitalbtc is one of the top posts. bitcoinpete already destroyed it in the logs...
mircea_popescu: uh why destroyed ?
thestringpuller: +bitcoinpete> digitalbtc lost $649k in the last 9 months. win! << watching game of thrones when I read that, sorry i is no good with these things they call words
mircea_popescu: a, that. well... "pe investitii"
thestringpuller: random: i guess the accounting standard for the zero asset corporation is self explanatory?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller should be. "1. distribute all income."
thestringpuller: ah, and of capital pool that is used to operate? (like the mpoe bond)
mircea_popescu: well that'd depend on the arrangement the bond has. it's not required or anything
thestringpuller: it seems beneficiary for people to see no? Is that more of a "Misc"?
mircea_popescu: not a matter of that dude, it just depends on how the bond is structured. as the bond is structured, so it is reported.
thestringpuller: understood.
thestringpuller: thank you.
mircea_popescu: not all an0 have to have some sort of mpoe bond equivalnent just becaue mpoe did
thestringpuller: yea but if the company isn't required to hold assets to operate then...
mircea_popescu: that's what an0 is. no assets.
thestringpuller: doesn't require* (not isn't)
mircea_popescu: uh a0 i mean
thestringpuller: okay sorry was confused there for a second
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29069 @ 0.00082773 = 24.0613 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up anthor_
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0729998 = 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29876 @ 0.00082657 = 24.6946 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ;;view
gribble: #20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.042584 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx)
mircea_popescu: such a delightful insider joke that :D
nubbins`: not unpopular so far, either
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26230 @ 0.00082336 = 21.5967 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: curious if they end up collector's items lol
mircea_popescu: %book
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/IhcV6Fc.jpg
mircea_popescu: hmm how did you get the volume again ?
nubbins`: unsure
mircea_popescu: someone should put on their blog a complete guide of all the commands for all the bots
mircea_popescu: that'd be one hell of a reference piece
mircea_popescu: actually, it should go in the wiki tbh
mircea_popescu: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 hours, 41 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <moiety> krs1 have you tried releasing the nick in case they havent registered it?
nubbins`: wiki would be the place
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell moiety hey, when you have a moment mebbe http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2014#720214 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this thing's grown so complex by now it defies memory.
mircea_popescu: actually i should prolly bitch at botmasters too.
mircea_popescu: FabianB and was atcbot mod6 iirc. who's running []bot artifexd ?
mod6: whats up mp?
mircea_popescu: mind putting a list of bot commands up on the wiki as part of a "chan bots commands page" ?
mircea_popescu: for atcbot i mean. it was yours wasn't it ?
mod6: yup. sure. I can work on that this week np.
mircea_popescu: ty
hanbot: mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ba-8-8.jpg << didja notice your nametag kinda looks like "histerp"? hipster misspelling mebbe
mod6: yw
mircea_popescu: hanbot shit it's actually "hipsters" anagram
mircea_popescu: now what do i do
artifexd: []bot is mine! yes
artifexd: stupid autocorrect.
mircea_popescu: http://collarme.com/2014/05/hello-world/ << largest bdsm forum closes, apparently tons of drama
assbot: Where is Collarme? | Where is Collarme?
artifexd: []bot is mine! yes.
mircea_popescu: artifexd mind putting a list of bot commands up on the wiki as part of a "chan bots commands page" ?
hanbot: maybe the hipsters'll start spelling it that way just for you mp.
artifexd: if I ever add commands, no problem.
mircea_popescu: o wait
mircea_popescu: i thjought it had some.
mircea_popescu: my bad. see, i have nfi what's going on even
artifexd: Shall I put something on there about it showing all bets created and bets placed in ##bitbet-rt ?
hanbot: this collarme closure thingie reads like a slightly more literate (though entirely as retarded) forum ipo pronouncement of lost marbles.
mircea_popescu: artifexd we prolly need a Bots megapage anyway. so this could go in botlist and then bot commands could be further down the page, as a list
mircea_popescu: hanbot you don' say.
mod6: mp: i'll work in a change so that it'll show bids/asks sub 1000 on the book command, instead of the 0s.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00082786 = 13.8253 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mod6 the 0's are kinda funny. and also you know, maybe one day Ms
mod6: i've got another change to merge in too, a bugfix to the time-since-last-block thing too.
bitstein: I shared this with bitcoinpete the other day. It's been a very influential essay for me since high school. It explains what I appreciate about groups like #bitcoin-assets. You guys should read it: http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig3/nock3b.html
assbot: Isaiah's Job by Albert Jay Nock
artifexd: ;;later tell kakobrekla Can I get a wiki account please?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: so this collarme thing is basically... couple broke up, then the girl's new boyfriend insited on a contract... quite drama-y
hanbot: I continued to work on Collarme.com and even answered work emails while I was at the hospital in labor.
asciilifeform: as with all such stories, would be interesting to read the 'enemy' side
hanbot: where's the footage ffs
artifexd: Why would my dumb ass ipad autocorrect "[]bot is mine, yes" to "[]bot is mine! yes" TWICE!?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly.
mircea_popescu: artifexd try bitcoin-apple ? :D
mircea_popescu: holy shit, this got everything. tetralogy of fallot even
mthreat: bitstein: are you in Austin?
mircea_popescu: i vote best drama of the week award.
bitstein: mthreat: depends on who is asking
bitstein: (Yes, I am.)
mthreat: bitstein: just checking, i met you at one or two of the bitcoin meetups at central market
mthreat: bitstein: i'm living in argentina now, so i haven't been around there for a while
mircea_popescu: the small world.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31135 @ 0.00082856 = 25.7972 BTC [+] {2}
bitstein: Ah, cool. Well hopefully I will see you in April then.
asciilifeform: if the woman owned the domain - why no fork ?
asciilifeform: why the lament page instead
asciilifeform: somehow this doesn't make sense
asciilifeform: (or i'm thick)
Apocalyptic: because theatrality
asciilifeform: fork, wait to be sued, win
asciilifeform: if her hands atrophied from grief, sure there's some fellow willing to do it for a %
asciilifeform: http://collarme.com/2014/05/an-attempt-to-answer-some-questions/#comment-1764
assbot: An attempt to answer some questions. | Where is Collarme?
asciilifeform: ^ interesting
mircea_popescu: i've not got that far
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> why the lament page instead << she cnat coed.
mircea_popescu: also, woman with newborn. she can't do anything whatsoever.
asciilifeform: can presumably contract it out
mircea_popescu: from what i read, she already has.
mircea_popescu: guy ran off with the code.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: the thing, as i understand - is dead
asciilifeform: regardless of who sues/wins
asciilifeform: sucks for the aficionados.
mircea_popescu: twas kinda dead anyway. us moving to a new puritan paradigm. gays made it, bdsm-ers did not.
mircea_popescu: such a soviet.
asciilifeform: somebody's gotta be lowered into pederasty. what kind of russian prison can you run without this.
mircea_popescu: who was doing bitcoinj again ?
mircea_popescu: !up Blazedout419
mircea_popescu: !up blg
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I believe Hearn does bitcoinJ
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the response from the op is... http://collarspace.com/
assbot: LadyTerra15877 ree. no cost, no obligation. It might be the most important thing youdo this year ! 
mircea_popescu: new domain, nary a word. the end.
asciilifeform: who's surprised?
mircea_popescu: tbh i was kinda expectring moar drama, but hey.
mircea_popescu: they don't have a bitcoin price to pump up
Mats_cd03: new domain but the site sucks; lots of whitespace to my right on a 4:3 screen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22623 @ 0.00082177 = 18.5909 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18277 @ 0.00082059 = 14.9979 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 592.0, Best ask: 592.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 592.2, 24 hour volume: 9345.60777045, 24 hour low: 552.11, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 574.809383939
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28508 @ 0.00082979 = 23.6557 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4952 @ 0.00083193 = 4.1197 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 436334.06 in 875 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.01
thestringpuller: shit's gonna plummet
mircea_popescu: iirc it's usually at -70%
thestringpuller: it has to go up sometimes?
Apocalyptic: it did somthing like +400% at the previous diff periode
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.0299999 = 0.9 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.20618858 = 8.8661 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.2005441 = 13.637 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: goes up 400% in like 3 days, then -70% over, predictably, fourish weeks
mircea_popescu: consequently, it spends most time at -70%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9761 @ 0.00082185 = 8.0221 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: ;;later tell bitstein interesting essay, thank you
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00081935 = 27.4482 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24447 @ 0.00082244 = 20.1062 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00081935 = 19.6644 BTC [-]
FabianB: kakobrekla: can i get a wiki account for bot documentation?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 148 @ 0.07299964 = 10.8039 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07299957 = 0.803 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00081935 = 2.4581 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07185598 = 0.5748 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21699945 = 0.868 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9741 @ 0.00008957 = 0.8725 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10224 @ 0.00009919 = 1.0141 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27537 @ 0.00081956 = 22.5682 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07120222 = 0.712 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0701102 = 0.7011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06983312 = 1.1173 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.06802194 = 4.0813 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.066666 = 3.0666 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 57 @ 0.0295 = 1.6815 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: pretty sure i just did the biggest whole-app refactor of my life.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.0295 = 0.649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00081873 = 18.9945 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: i have learned so much...veritably do i reel from the things i have now taught myself to never do again
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306088 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13114734304.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.55256
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10163 @ 0.00081745 = 8.3077 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: The overwhelming evidence for the past year is that even if Ken Slaughter had good intention to produce miners, doing so was beyond his skill and organizational level and he soon began lying to us all.
pankkake: just what I told them months ago, as "why it's a scam"
pankkake: I have contacted MSD and am providng them with copies of emails in which Ken Slaughter made all sorts of promises to me. I have enough in the correspondence he wrote me to nail him to a wall.
pankkake: Earlier on, when Ken Slaughter needed money, he would write long emails to people.
pankkake: Luckily, I saved it all and it will all be forwarded to Mr. Johnson.
pankkake: I'd really like to see those emails
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3658 @ 0.00081578 = 2.9841 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 19 @ 0.02984209 = 0.567 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14892 @ 0.00081998 = 12.2111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06998415 = 1.3997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0719999 = 3.6 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19164 @ 0.0008166 = 15.6493 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24136 @ 0.00082224 = 19.8456 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 25 @ 0.08 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7514 @ 0.00081506 = 6.1244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00081983 = 10.0839 BTC [+]
davout: kakobrekla: so what was the answer wrt the http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/ resolution in the case there is only a rebranding, and trading happens at paymium.com ?
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.37 B (4%) on Yes, 10.09 B (96%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 week| weight: 80`628 (100`000 to 1)
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2014#720371 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00082396 = 14.0073 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/us/starbucks-to-provide-free-college-education-to-thousands-of-workers.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
punkman: too bad they didn't start their own university
punkman: ;;later tell BingoBoingo this might interest you http://i.imgur.com/R0vZeC3.png
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1200 @ 0.000451 = 0.5412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07114285 = 0.996 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00082323 = 5.8038 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69283 @ 0.000827 = 57.297 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.0008296 = 32.7692 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.23511045 = 3.2915 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.24283427 = 1.6998 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19128 @ 0.00082899 = 15.8569 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21518 @ 0.00082323 = 17.7143 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ;;later tell artifexd yes
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: ;;later tell FabianB yes
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: ;;late tell davout no fuckin clue.
gribble: Error: "late" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: ;;later tell davout no fuckin clue.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
artifexd: kakobrekla: how do I receive or create login creds?
kakobrekla: pm me your email
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.25983989 = 1.2992 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.25983989 = 3.6378 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81550 @ 0.00081836 = 66.7373 BTC [-] {5}
artifexd: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots <- bot authors, feel free to add your bots
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/16/microsoft_catapult_fpgas/
assbot: Microsoft Catapults geriatric Moore's Law from CERTAIN DEATH The Register
fluffypony: clever
fluffypony: they bolt an FPGA inside a server to offload specific tasks to it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14073 @ 0.00082099 = 11.5538 BTC [+]
pankkake: artifexd: good idea, I added mine
artifexd: pankkake: I claim no credit. It was mp's idea.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07155 = 1.2164 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.07155 = 3.2198 BTC [+]
xmj: gentlemen.
xmj: anyone here know how long it'd take to incorporate in Hong Kong?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.2299984 = 4.6 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Random thing i just remembered: Avalon
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how his chi is doing
ThickAsThieves: Yifu, that was the name, couldnt remember
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.0008187 = 22.4324 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: real gud
fluffypony: nothing exciting: http://avalon-asics.com/category/news/
assbot: Avalon ASIC » News
fluffypony: this is actually kinda interesting
fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/16/anders_hejlsberg_interview/
assbot: Microsoft C# chief Hejlsberg: Our open-source Apache pick will clear the FUD The Register
fluffypony: so MS have open-sourced C#
fluffypony: just not the CLR (Common-Language Runtime)
fluffypony: but since Mono already has a cross-platform implementation of the CLR
fluffypony: it means that C# will play nice cross-platform, and coding for Mono will be trivial
pankkake: microsoft complaining about FUD. fun
fluffypony: still, this could make C# an interesting language
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 171 @ 0.02081323 = 3.5591 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.02086652 = 0.7303 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: davout the supreme court does not offer advisory oppinions. it'll only consider cases where there's a real controversy.
davout: mircea_popescu: so you're saying there's no way to ask for clarification regarding a bet wording?
fluffypony: take him out for supper first before asking for his opinion
mircea_popescu: there's no way to pull clarification. mods might push it, but you can't rely on that
mircea_popescu: the only approach is to make bets clear an' stick to it.
davout: aren't mods supposed to enforce bet clarity?
mircea_popescu: nope.
davout: lame
mircea_popescu: unavoidable.
pankkake: well then, why would anyone bet on the bet now?
mircea_popescu: but if i manage to hire some transcendents i might change it.
mircea_popescu: pankkake because they have a theory as to what it means.
davout: take this for example : "or if 30-day volume drops under 100 BTC. "
davout: volume taken from where ?
mircea_popescu: best effort :)
davout: refusing to clarify this, when asked well in advance doesn't really constitute best effort imo
mircea_popescu: "refusing to make me tortoise soup, when asked well in advance, doesn't constitute good mothership"
mircea_popescu: i ain't your mother.
Mats_cd03: but, ma...!
fluffypony takes out his list and crosses mircea_popescu off as potential mother figures
fluffypony: oh well
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: but srsly, the bet is not up for resolution. there's no effort to be put in.
davout: mircea_popescu: i'm not asking anyone to make me something, i'm asking how the bet resolves, clear resolvability is a desired property is it not?
mircea_popescu: desired it may be. it being desired does not by itself make it possible.
pankkake: but bitbet mods clarified bets in the past
mircea_popescu: yes.
davout: is it impossible today to decide whether the volume source will by X, Y, or Z ?
davout: "First and foremost, statements that can not univocally be established as either true or false at a certain point in the future are BadBets and as such unacceptable on BitBet."
mircea_popescu: davout well if you were to propose that bet now it'd get rejected im pretty sure.
davout: without a source for the "volume" information, it is not possible to univocally establish (vol > 100)
davout: i wouldn't really propose such a bet
mircea_popescu: well so then there we go.
pankkake: I can create a source for volume info, from the raw trade data
davout: mircea_popescu: so if it'd get rejected now, why do you insist it is not clarifiable?
mircea_popescu: that awkward moment when you write to a estudio de abogados named X, Y, Z and K and the next morning a reply awaits from Gonzalez X.
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mircea_popescu: davout because it's not dude. what the fuck do i know what you'll be doing next. if you were going to change the thing';s name why da fuck did you bet on it as it is etc.
mircea_popescu: in any event, bitbet comes last in the sort. you don't change your actions by what bitbet says it's gonna do. you do what you do, then when the time comes bitbet looks at it and calls it something.
mircea_popescu: and whatever it calls it, that's what it is.
davout: well, because i'm like the bitbet mod, i didn't really realize it wasn't clear enough
mircea_popescu: that's unfortunate. but you're not like the bitbet mod, in that... well, in that you aren't.
punkman: davout, you could just keep bitcoin-central.net running until 2015 :P
davout: i'm just curious about the point behind not clarifying bets when their wording leave some space to ambiguity
davout: especially when it's brought up long in advance
mircea_popescu: because you gotta limit your touching the things. all business runs on the principle of limiting responsibility.
davout: what do you mean by "your touching the things" ?
mircea_popescu: bitbet reviews bets exactly twice : when they're entered, and when they're resolved.
mircea_popescu: can't follow around constantly reviewing and clarifying the wording every time reality twists some way or the other.
los_pantalones: and you really shouldn't change a bet after it's open
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones hasn't really happened to date.
mircea_popescu: (pls don't look in the logs)
los_pantalones: i'm agreeing w/ you
los_pantalones: to touch as little as possible
mircea_popescu: davout anyway, this is a solidly established principle of law, that a court won't review possibilities and implications,
mircea_popescu: or generally the future. courts review the past.
davout: i don't know about other countries, but the law in france has this mechanism where whenever you need clarification on the law from the taxes administration, you can ask them to make a binding answer
mircea_popescu: but that's administrative.
davout: it's economics
davout: can cost you money
mircea_popescu: you can definitely ask the king to tell you wtf it intends to do. because the king is a sovereign, and thus an agent, and thus can have intent.
mircea_popescu: courts aren't either agents nor capable of intent.
pankkake: so the king is the bet author?
davout: apparently there's no king, bitbet is a court, in some sort of quantic superposition state
fluffypony: Schrodinger's Bitbet
mircea_popescu: pankkake well strictly speaking davout's the king here lol.
davout: i'm simply asking whether there's milk or poison in the vial
mircea_popescu: you made the vial dood, what do you want from me. when the time to open it comes i'll feed it to a cat and let you know.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony hey, when were you talking about the summarizing thing ? was it the 12th ?
fluffypony: oof
fluffypony: let me grep quickly
mircea_popescu: or what was the guy's name ?
davout: the more i think about it, the more similarities i see between bitbet and the rota
fluffypony: 7th
fluffypony: darlidada
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fluffypony: he hasn't started on it yet - he's busy till the end of the month, so we're still fleshing everything out
mircea_popescu: ty
mircea_popescu: i just used it inter alia to get out of investor's questioning. http://trilema.com/2014/smg-may-2014-statement/#comment-101275
assbot: S.MG, May 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: also, i am shocked, shocked and appalled i say, that nobody;s said a word of la gayola
mircea_popescu: it's almost like i'm the only one that finds it hysterically funny or something
davout: i wanted to make fun of you about your camembert, but i figured you were already punished enough
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: that thing...
davout: what the fuck were you thinking
mircea_popescu: i'm stupid like this ;/
mircea_popescu: constantly trying out new things and getting curious and whatnot
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: you tell me that you were here, and saw a local knockoff of a tin of camembert and you wouldn't have paid the $2.80 to see wtf is in there.
mircea_popescu: the wood box they fucking made. the camembert inside... who the fuck needs it.
davout: i guess not doubting anymore is well worth $3
mircea_popescu: besides, what if it were really good
mircea_popescu: you'd never have heard the end of it
davout: i'd have argued the argentinian version doesn't have a soul
mircea_popescu: i'd have killed young argentinian girls and sprayed their virginal blood all over it to win the argument
davout: a nice instagram filter would have been largely sufficient
mircea_popescu: kinda what i was thinking.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's weird how this works. i'm from transylvania, where cattle is queen. dairy cattle.
mircea_popescu: in argentina, cattle is king. meat cattle.
mircea_popescu: never the twain should fucking meet, these people haveno idea of dairy at all
mircea_popescu: much like i pity the fool trying to eat romanian beef.
davout: i'm extremely curious about ar steak
mircea_popescu: you can't imagine it.
davout: my curiosity is extreme
mircea_popescu: much like you know, you think you know what a banana tastes like, but you're WRONG. you'll discover the full body of flavour of that fruit once you live in the tropics
mircea_popescu: it literally is like europeans only eat 7yos, and there's a world of 23 yo bananas out there unbeknownst to them
mircea_popescu: with like banana tits and all.
mircea_popescu: the beef steak here is so tender chicken seems game by comparison.
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davout: i can get really really tender beef here, i wonder how it compares
davout: i also wonder how it compares to aged beef
mircea_popescu: well it's possible you had it imported, in which case the shock won't quite rise to the level of epiphany
mircea_popescu: but they also cook it quite well.
davout: (and i also wonder how aged beef tastes like, never had it)
mircea_popescu: anyway, argentina is meat eater's paradise, that's for sure.
davout: also they seem smart enough to serve a bowl of salad as a side
mircea_popescu: only if you order it.
davout: ah
davout: when i saw it on your picture i was all like "such meat art de vivre"
mircea_popescu: in general you have to do a lot of customisation to make restaurant food fit for human consumption. in their view, serving a two pound steak with three ounces of sweet potato fried in oil, and then a pound of chocolate with dulce de leche mixed in is perfectly adequate asd a meal
mircea_popescu: if you have problems swallowing it all they'll more than happily get you some (excellent btw) malbec
mircea_popescu: and yet, which is the mystery, they're not overweight these people.
mircea_popescu: they must not eat at home like in the restaurant or something.
davout: that's not very surprising, is it?
mircea_popescu: to me it is, yes
davout: that they don't eat at home the same way as in restaurants?
mircea_popescu: romanian restaurant dishes consist basically of what women make at home. much like in say normandy
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davout: in normandy?
mircea_popescu: iiiiiiin normandee!
davout: that got lost on me
davout: i have this sadistic little satisfaction, knowing that log readers will have to endure this discussion about cheese and steak to be able to cross the log-reading from their todo
mircea_popescu: what, this is sadism ? my dear boy! you ain't seen nothing yet
davout: i don't think i have :-)
pankkake: the bitbet discussion was more painful
punkman: davout: (and i also wonder how aged beef tastes like, never had it) <- you can let a steak sit in your fridge a few days (or more if you are careful), it's usually an improvement
mircea_popescu: http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Auteur:Colette << fucking pointless wikipedia
assbot: Colette - Wikisource
mircea_popescu: so i was going to make a girl read claudine a l'ecole
mircea_popescu: da fuck do i do now
mircea_popescu: punkman actually, i like to age it in dough.
punkman: haven't tried that, sounds good
mircea_popescu: you know how to make beef wellington ?
punkman: nope
davout: pankkake: if it isn't painful it means it's probably not very useful either
davout: punkman: no, by aged, i mean really aged, like you have to cut the green parts off
mircea_popescu: it's not too hard : boil liver, grind it into a paste with butter and spices ; sear a steak, cover it in sauteed mushrooms and the liver paste ; make a dough, put the whole thing in it, seal and oven.
mircea_popescu: aging beef in dough is exactly thesame, sans liver (and mushrooms) and with much thicker dough : sear the steak, put it in a dough envelope, cook this and let it sit.
mircea_popescu: it will never go bad, if you sear it correctly.
davout: it'll turn to ham right?
mircea_popescu: not until your dough pierces through anyway
davout: punkman: http://media.abccom.cyberscope.fr/cache/6/500_500/lmh201_page22_image5.jpg
mircea_popescu: davout you can make a ham-y thing this way, if you add curing stuff inside, but just by itself it turns to...
mircea_popescu: well i dunno, beef aged in dough
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: and here we are exchanging recipes
mircea_popescu: i suppose next topic is whether our husbands beat us recently, and how hard was it.
davout: let's light some jasmine candles and talk about our feelings
mircea_popescu: no, we're intelligent housewives, not dumb american housewives.
davout: you mean we can use plain candles instead?
mircea_popescu: we could be naked and summon satan ?
davout: if that's the romanian version of a tupperware meeting, sure
mircea_popescu: lol
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pankkake: still better than the discussions I hear behind me
pankkake: unless you care about makeup and stuff
davout: we were just getting started
mircea_popescu: yeah i like to add a little blush to my ballsack
mircea_popescu: makes the hairs stand out more
los_pantalones: http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/03/the-food-lab-complete-guide-to-dry-aging-beef-at-home.html
assbot: The Food Lab's Complete Guide to Dry-Aging Beef at Home | Serious Eats
mircea_popescu: i read that as "serious teats"
mircea_popescu: notmyfault.
los_pantalones: makes sense given the context
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones a yes, the guy has a point as to "proper" aging. you can't do sngle steaks
mircea_popescu: which is what makes my dough protector required.
mircea_popescu: tho i never went to 60 days o.O
los_pantalones: there was cooking show "2 Fat Ladies" back in the day
los_pantalones: they used to do your dough technique
los_pantalones: but they would bury the steak too
mircea_popescu: orly ?
mircea_popescu honestly thought he had invented it ;/
los_pantalones: well, before you go on thinking you didn't
los_pantalones: let me see if i can find
los_pantalones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84bCD1fd4ew
assbot: Two Fat Ladies talk about Vegetarians - YouTube
los_pantalones: not the episode
los_pantalones: but for your entertainment
mircea_popescu: lol
los_pantalones: keep your dough age crown, i can't find
los_pantalones: MY BAD
mircea_popescu: davout btw, los_pantalones actually had a decent local steak here
los_pantalones: quite decent
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say it's the best i had, but certainly not ashamed of sharing it
mircea_popescu: like, A grade.
los_pantalones: agreed
davout: lol
punkman: mircea_popescu: what's the best steak you've had?
mircea_popescu: also here, but after that.
mircea_popescu: i'm getting better at finding places :D
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, this is a passible definition of happiness : the best steak i've had was this year.
punkman: I think best I've had was in an argentinian restaurant (imported)
punkman: but I gotta try the real thing
mircea_popescu: $conference
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 10 months and 1 days. Estimated cost today: 2.23945167 BTC
mircea_popescu: you showin' up ?
punkman: probably gonna have to wait for the next one, but I might make it happen
mircea_popescu: "I aged a 107, a 109A, and a 109 Export in a mini-fridge (this one from Avanti) set at 40°F in which I placed a small desk fan in order to allow air to circulate (I had to cut a small notch in the sealing strip around the door to allow the fan's cord to pass through), simulating a dry-aging room on a small scale. "
mircea_popescu: ahahaha WHAT
los_pantalones: this guy kenji is the best
los_pantalones: MIT grad, quit his maths to cook
los_pantalones: debunks a lot of bad science about food
punkman: I wonder if jap beef is worthy of the hype
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones interesting. punkman notrly. what japaneseis worthy of the hype ?
los_pantalones: think he's askin about kobe
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima go meet my lawyers nao. later girlfriends! we can do our toenails when i return!
Mats_cd03: http://i.imgur.com/4nhUs.png
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asciilifeform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/13/cia_rendition_jet_was_waiting_in_europe_to_snatch_snowden
assbot: CIA rendition jet was waiting in Europe to SNATCH SNOWDEN The Register
asciilifeform: ^ tabloid piece on flying gasenwagen
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00082367 = 19.068 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: in other (not quite) news,
asciilifeform: http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904
assbot: Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.071548 = 1.1448 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00082407 = 22.0027 BTC [+]
mike_c: JD invested bankroll biggest since 6 months ago..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.94502472 BTC to 9`094 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 2.35013287 BTC to 152`507 shares, 1541 satoshi per share
mike_c: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00409990 / 0.00416468 / 0.00429300 (101 shares, 0.42063260 BTC), 7D: 0.00370000 / 0.00404595 / 0.00449890 (426 shares, 1.72357521 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00459634 / 0.00648989 (4787 shares, 22.00269540 BTC)
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu d series starts nao http://www.forbes.com/sites/perianneboring/2014/06/16/bitgo-raises-12mil-draws-attention-of-institutional-investors/
assbot: BitGo Raises $12Mil, Draws Attention of Institutional Investors - Forbes
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: dat multisig
fluffypony: dem institutionals
bitcoinpete: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306160 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 271 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 8 hours, 50 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13236343139.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.58695
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: playaz, all a dem
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: so institutional they need to be IN an institution
bitcoinpete: bitcoin might even hit 14b this next adjustment
bitcoinpete: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
assbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom
bitcoinpete: 108ph/s and climbing like nuts
mike_c: wanna bet? :)
mike_c: 14b can't happen that fast
bitcoinpete: mike_c: lol not quite
bitcoinpete: but not far off either
benkay: https://eris.projectdouglas.org/
assbot: Eris, by Project ouglas
bitcoinpete: the bet won't need a 3rd adjustment before bastille day
bitcoinpete: that much looks bankable
fluffypony: !up darlidada
fluffypony: darlidada: plz repeat story here
fluffypony: bitcoinpete will love it
benkay: "The hard deadline of 17 June 2014 means the Project Ðouglas Dev Team has not had time to test all of the functions we would like for Eris v 0.1. " << still not seeing code
benkay: wow it has a built in bureacracy
benkay: okay now i see something resembling 'code'
darlidada: have you guys read about the latest crazy stupid story on bitcointalk ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653693.0
assbot: Big scam in NXT hundreds of BTC stolen with a one post
darlidada: to be fair it doesnt come frome bitcointalk this time, but from the nxt community
darlidada: some guy from nxtforum makes a post without a gpg signature
darlidada: ask 400 btcs for some business he cant talk about because nda and stuff
darlidada: 90 mins later, he has already received 200 btc, no question asked
kakobrekla: the more shady the faster the money flows
benkay: huh look ethereum has code in the wild
benkay: https://github.com/project-douglas/epm
assbot: project-douglas/epm GitHub
darlidada: THEN people start to send him pm regarding the deal and when no one answear they freak out
darlidada: surprisingly it was a scam
bitcoinpete: darlidada: absolutely priceless
bitcoinpete: best roi for a forum post… evar
pankkake: while you should assume anyone on bitcointalk is a scammer, you should assume anything altcoin is a scam - after all, it would only be a scam in a scam
benkay: I feel I can do this deal because I know this is going to boost the value of NXT exponentially.
pankkake: "Scammers don't bother sending me a PM trying to get me to send NXT first, with my reputation this deal is BTC first."
pankkake: feels like I'm reading Goat
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I wish we'd come up with this idea, we could've IPO'd the idea
bitcoinpete: i don't think it's too late
bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/478569949347069953
assbot: BitGo Raises $12 million Series A http://t.co/7aTKHPZ29r by /PerianneDC via /Forbes Congrats /willobrien /mikebelshe /bendavenport /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
bitcoinpete: let's see if the bitgo kids respond
bitcoinpete: unlike the bitangels… and coindeskers
bitcoinpete: etc
pankkake: IPO a scamming company: the business model of the company is to create IPO scams
bitcoinpete: but i gotta jet for a bit. bbl today
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19278 @ 0.00082129 = 15.8328 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: http://blog.flattr.net/2014/05/time-to-update-your-account/ <= flattr was one of the last easy ways to fund things semi anonymously (many grey area websites use it)
assbot: Time to update your account
pankkake: This Is Good for Bitcoin™
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davout: haha, stupid protuguese
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benkay: !b 1
benkay: keep calm and prepare for rectothermal analysis
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kakobrekla: !up darlidada
kakobrekla: get in the wot and all that jazz ?
penguirker: New blog post: http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/16/the-security-fail-blockchain-wont-tell-you-about/
fluffypony: ;;gettrust darlidada
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user darlidada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=darlidada | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=darlidada | Rated since: never
kakobrekla: ;;rate darlidada 1 for the purpose of #b-a voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user darlidada has been recorded.
kakobrekla: thar, easy come easy go.
darlidada: ty:)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://freshbsd.org/commit/openbsd/f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 << kinda why everyone sane is using homebrew crypto stack.
assbot: Project: OpenBSD / Id: openbsd-f868fc6f39a2c45a6c2bab70addc92525d467904 - FreshBSD - The latest *BSD Commits
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete fluffypony insitutiolol
asciilifeform: '358375th cockroach found in brooklyn motel. news at 11'
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: "Eris -- A ÐAO Framework by Project Ðouglas" ; "This proposal is made in response to a post on Reddit.com by Olivier Janssens announcing a bounty of an amount of bitcoin equivalent to USD$100,000"
mircea_popescu: this can only end in tears.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> "blabla" << still not seeing code << they have a NAME right ? and it has like inclusive specxial characters in it and everything, right ? THEY HAVE TRIED AND NOBODY SHOULD CRITICISE THEM!!!!
mircea_popescu: let alone that the platform doing what the bitcoin foundation aspired to and never actually did is right here, and has been in business for years
mircea_popescu: but why should any retarded kid have to do his homework or anything
mircea_popescu: <darlidada> 90 mins later, he has already received 200 btc, no question asked << the theory that any qty of nxt is worth any qty of btc has serious flaws.
mircea_popescu: some derps thought whatever pile of mastercoin is worth btc, discovered that no, it's not quite recently.
asciilifeform: ask the chinese, maybe it helps them get it up, like tiger horns.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> feels like I'm reading Goat << quite.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> IPO a scamming company: the business model of the company is to create IPO scams << the warrior forum in action lol.
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mircea_popescu: !up alex_c
mircea_popescu: "John (Peter Manglaviti) was essentially the public leader of NxT, he was the one who represented NxT's booth at several public conferences / expos and seminars and he was the man the public dealt with. " << bwahaha. HE WAS IN A BOOTH!!1
mircea_popescu: i wonder if ticket sellers at cinemas have an easy moneymaker now : sell the building to forum investors.
mircea_popescu: "of course i own the whole block. i'm in a booth here aren't i ?!
davout: sounds legit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07136995 = 0.9278 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 592.0, Best ask: 593.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 593.34, 24 hour volume: 14577.00883217, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 591.21044887
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones http://trilema.com/2014/the-soft-underbelly-of-hedonism-exposed/
assbot: The soft underbelly of hedonism, exposed. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: suffer, biotch :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 21 @ 0.08 = 1.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0714 = 0.5712 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "We (Dennis McKinnon, Casey Kuhlman, and Preston Byrne (the Project Ðouglas Dev Team)) do not intend, nor is our proposal designed, to replace or compete with the Bitcoin Foundation. Using traditional forms of organisational governance, the Bitcoin Foundation has played a critical role in standardising the Bitcoin protocol and encouraging adoption of cryptoprotocols’ use worldwide. We are grateful for its efforts an
mircea_popescu: d look forward to learning how we can work together."
mircea_popescu: ajhahaha o get fucked.
BingoBoingo: punkman: That is an interesting link.
mircea_popescu: "We have not slept for three weeks."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06670011 = 0.5336 BTC [-]
fluffypony: Preston Byrne
fluffypony: wasn't he that blogger that had a tiff with you?
mircea_popescu: no, it was some derp that purported he's commenting on what i did and said and i pointed out to him that before attempting that he needs to pass a ged.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: no, we're intelligent housewives, not dumb american housewives. << I had a disappointing lapse into Americanisms today. I timed my return drive poorly and passed the restaurants before they opened. Ended up getting fried chicken livers at the supermarket and eating them as I drove the rest of the way back.
mircea_popescu: but basically yeah, there's names which serve as marks of failure. something with goat involved, or nefario, or preston byrne or taaki etc can only fail
mircea_popescu: just how amusing it'll fail is up to circumstance, but yeah.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i love chicken liver.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Got two one pound packages still hot for $3.50, I love passing through the middle of nowhere.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-soft-underbelly-of-hedonism-exposed/
punkman: BingoBoingo: will publish source soon, any ideas for extended bet analysis or other tools?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/16/microsoft_catapult_fpgas/ << More reason to suspect HFT types have been on this train for a while.
assbot: Microsoft Catapults geriatric Moore's Law from CERTAIN DEATH The Register
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: the same thought occurred to me
BingoBoingo: punkman: Not that I can think of atm. Numbers tend to influence how much I bet rather than whether I bet in the first place.
BingoBoingo: punkman: As I play with it I'll prolly think of things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00081914 = 14.9903 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.21023485 = 2.7331 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see this ancient thread - http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/#comment-3756
assbot: Not all programmers are alike: a language rant | Locklin on science
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I remember that last time you dropped that link and the doubters in the thread, but now... If even Microsoft can pull off FPGA acceleration...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: don't make the classic mistake of reading this as microshit product r&d
asciilifeform: 'microsoft research' has nothing to do with the company's product pipeline
asciilifeform: it's a 'corral' for elderly phds. a kind of 'respectability farm' that many u.s. zaibatsus operate
asciilifeform: gets them free press, and keeps the inmates out of trouble
mircea_popescu: "Go with a straight-dataflow paradigm, where all operations are part of a dependency graph (and if your chip is large enough, exist at all times as physical objects which wait for their inputs to become available, and signal their successors within picoseconds of their output becoming ready.)" << tbh, this is not only grand in theory
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I played with Singularity a bit when it was fresh. The "respectability farm" is the impression I got.
mircea_popescu: but afaik no "asic miner" actually does it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is known as asynchronous logic. see 'muller's gate.' i vaguely recall that we spoke of it on at least one occasion.
asciilifeform: i cannot claim to have invented it (herr muller, 1956?) but might be the only one left taking it seriously.
mircea_popescu: yes, at which point i prolly observed that it's a technologee current bitcoin miners don't got.
BingoBoingo: ;;google Loper no formats no format wars
gribble: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309>; Loper OS » Idea: <http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=9>; No Formats, no Format Wars. - Loper OS: <http://www.loper-os.org/?paged=6>
asciilifeform: an asynch. circuit has interesting properties. for instance, it clocks itself up when you cool it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00081869 = 22.3502 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: (always speed-capped by slowest gate, and never arbitrarily)
mircea_popescu: "Speaking as an insider, I can tell you that most HFT firms playing around with FPGAs are doing so because of slick-talking FPGA marketing hucksters. The more that perverse incentives change, the more they stay the same" << flanagan has a point.
mircea_popescu: finance types are possibly the most tech-clueless people you'll ever meet.
mircea_popescu: if you run into a wall street dude hitting on a cocktail waitress, it's probable she groks more of grep than him.
asciilifeform: now, if these folks actually risked their arse if the machine fails to perform...
punkman: asciilifeform: could you recommend a lisp for this lisp-deficient noob? (and maybe an IDE that's not emacs)
asciilifeform: punkman: what machine do you have ?
asciilifeform: punkman: and i'm afraid that i cannot in good conscience recommend ide that isn't emacs. because only emacs runs 'SLIME.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the one time their excel copula calculation failed spectacularly and the whole firm went under because of it ? no arse was harmed.
asciilifeform: lol yeah
mircea_popescu: "tech failure" is accepted like "will of god" was 500 years ago. free of any contract.
asciilifeform: the only prescription is: barbarians.
mircea_popescu: punkman why do you hate emacs ?
punkman: asciilifeform: just a regular machine, what kind of machine should I have?
asciilifeform: punkman: if x86 or x86-64 - sbcl.
mircea_popescu: "You will probably find that approach unworkable in a Disruptor style queue for market data because:
mircea_popescu: 1) You can’t tell when a reader has already progressed past that tick, and would thus miss your update (which is bad)
mircea_popescu: 2) You can’t tell when a reader is currently processing that tick, which means you could potentially write over the prior record when he has only read part of it, making the tick inconsistent (which is also bad).
mircea_popescu: Those issues may be avoidable, but only at the cost of additional atomic instructions on both the read and write ends, which would significantly impair the performance." << this guy is a prime example of what i said of finance types being tech clueless.
punkman: mircea_popescu: I don't hate it per se, but I'd rather avoid that learning curve for now
mircea_popescu: jesus god he actually just said that ?!
asciilifeform: punkman: if you study, e.g. common lisp, without SLIME, you're inoculating yourself against ever enjoying the language.
asciilifeform: this is generally how 'enthusiastic' lisp-haters are born - they get to study it at uni, and match parens / indent / etc. by hand.
punkman: but I like clicking!
BingoBoingo: There's more painful exercises in attempting to learn a programming language. In 6th grade I tried to learn Perl with pencils and paper...
asciilifeform: punkman: i like clicking << http://www.letsgolearn.com/bubble.html
assbot: Let's Go Learn Mouse practice game
mircea_popescu: i can't see a reference to lockin's stuff without thinking of http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/ anyway
assbot: How to fail - the Scott Locklin method. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: punkman: or, if you can dig up an ancient mac, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_Practice
assbot: Mouse Practice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: locklin is one of those folks who never penetrated the btc bozo field
asciilifeform: (e.g. taleb)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hypercard is great Mouse Practice as well...
mircea_popescu: that's not even the objection. if you read his contributions in his own comment thread above,
mircea_popescu: the same arrogant if clueless sufficiency permeates.
mircea_popescu: this is how people like me end up when they're 50, if they don't have the sense to bdsm etc
asciilifeform: folks who succeed in an intellectually-demanding field - whatever field - besieged by sham artists - tend to develop this condition. or at least, it is certainly a 'professional hazard.'
mircea_popescu: it is, but only because of the poisonous enviroment in which their socialist conationals soak them.
mircea_popescu: these are the hidden costs of " welfarism" : that in order for its pretense to be maintained, the actuality of a caustic environment for the natural needs of the superior has to be enacted.
asciilifeform: not so hidden.
mircea_popescu: if he had a few slaves around the house whose lives and physical integrity depended on his good humour, he wouldn't find himself ossified in this form of compensatory idiocy.
BingoBoingo: http://www.gizmag.com/listeria-bacteria-sensor-food-borne-illness/32536/ << No one develops the Campylobacter version because chicken would never look the same again...
assbot: New sensor to detect food-borne bacteria on site
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder what the ecological impact of listeria's disappearance would be like.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Pretty horrible I imagine, but probably even less possible than than impassible task of eradicating Herpes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for all you know, a world without listeria is the prerequisite for a better strain of herpes
mircea_popescu: or maybe for contagious, accelerated leprosy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or for Candida to accelerate the way Y. Pestis did...
mircea_popescu: still an open question as to how much iathrogenic pathogen virulence is due to you know... better hospital techniques.
asciilifeform: naturam expellas furca...
mircea_popescu: myeah
BingoBoingo: Well, the plasmids necessary for S. Aureus to become Beta Lactam resistant and Enterococcus to become Vancomycin resistant predate our harnessing either therapeutically...
asciilifeform: see also: 'the answer lies in the sewers.'
BingoBoingo: Note that broad spectrum antimicrobials that maintain effectiveness over time tend to be merely bacteriostatic and not actively bacteriocidal...
BingoBoingo: Aspergillius is probably my favorite pathogen because it is a huge fuck you to stoners thinking they are all high and mighty because their weed is "safer" than my booze.
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: I'm trying to think what would even be a close second...
mircea_popescu: while the plasmids may actually predate it, their use likely does not.
mircea_popescu: think in the following terms : the tools mpex will use any to defeat any attempt at enacting a sovereignity claim superior to its own certainly predate any such claims
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, their deployment in practice does not (a state of affairs asciilifeform periodically protests with a parachute example)
asciilifeform: http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/2711/1/The%20answer%20lies%20in%20the%20sewers%28lsero%29.pdf
asciilifeform: for pdf haters:
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/Ni7t20wY
assbot: The answer lies in the sewers - Pastebin.com
ThickAsThieves: "HSBC is one of the leading international banks. Technology plays a big part of the banking world nowadays. The advent of mobile devices, bitcoin, crypto currency, access to internet, are change everyday banking. Create a position paper on the benefits of Bitcoin being adopted and being a part of HSBC consumer products. Pick a position in favour or against and please add your sources."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, the reason we've found any substanital antibiotic this far is because some other microbe produced it as a defense and before we produce the chemical on an industrial scale, there are minority bacterial populations carrying genes for resistance.
ThickAsThieves: HSBC outsources bitcoin research to job applicants
ThickAsThieves: should be illegal
mircea_popescu: nice link
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves aahhahahaah
mircea_popescu: i recall a few years ago designers getting all butthurt against design contests
ThickAsThieves: yeah, NO-SPEC
mircea_popescu: i guess their victory was of such resounding nature in that battle that now hsbc is doing it
asciilifeform sees a future for phages, for small-molecule antibio - not so much
mircea_popescu: bodes well for the future, this.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this is approximately correct, especially if you focus on things such as penycilin. not quite as true with substances such as say trimetoprim
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Phages are probably the only long term solution.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform phages are why i did an undergrad in immunology and infection
bitcoinpete: i remember reading about russian/soviet research into them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00081982 = 29.3905 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: research that sorta didn't really make it to the west after the fall
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: at my last work (us army) the management flew in one of the last remaining soviet phage experts
asciilifeform: he's extracting strange from sewage even now.
bitcoinpete: whoa neat
asciilifeform was not involved, just sat in a lecture
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Trimethoprim is great in the way Sulfa antibiotics and doxycycline are great. They are merely bateriostatic agents. Combine the right bacteriostatic agents and you might actually kill some bacteria. Mostly though bacteria aren't adapted to combinations of them and it might take centuries for Bactrims list of vulnerable organisms to thing appreciably.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo perhaps on the grounds of my ignorance, i see little value in the bacteriostatic / bactericide distinction
ThickAsThieves: TSLA is on a tear
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: holy ya
bitcoinpete: +7.29% today
asciilifeform: the notion that 'microbe will eventually adapt to anything' is a bit simplistic.
asciilifeform: go adapt to iodine.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The distinction is -cidal actually kills the bacteria. -static keeps them from reproducing long enough to have enough die of old age or allow your immune system to catch up. When it comes to adpatation and resistance it matters quite a bit.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.smh.com.au/national/canberra-reaps-360m-from-inactive-bank-accounts-20140609-39t8p.html
assbot: Canberra reaps $360m from inactive bank accounts
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
mircea_popescu: i know that. how do you say it matters ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 306186 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 245 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 57 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13304966954.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.17066
ThickAsThieves: ''I saved for 45 years … It was my carer's pension and his disability pension,'' said the Sydney retiree.
mircea_popescu: the only way bacteria meaningfully exists from an evolutionary standpoint is that it passes itself on
mircea_popescu: dead bacteria === spaded bacteria
ThickAsThieves: how does an organism exist non-meaningfully?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, in a human body's environment a bacterium doesn't have long before it needs to fuck itself and reproduce or die.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no but we were discussing adaptation
BingoBoingo: Other bacteria though tend not to have the luxury of waiting that long when they engage in chemical warfare.
BingoBoingo: Thus adapting to old age and celibacy is hard.
BingoBoingo: Especially at body temperature.
ThickAsThieves: i dont think there's a right or wrong, all the variation in question is needed
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, but when developing resistance is in question.
mircea_popescu: in principle bacteria would have as good a chance to develop immunity to tpi as it would to penicillin. they're both antibiotics (granted, one static, the other cidal, whatever)
mircea_popescu: so the pre-existing defense theory doesn't really hold as well as all that.
ThickAsThieves: yeesh nbc has a horrible web design http://www.nbcnews.com/ (bitcoin front and center)
assbot: NBC News - Breaking News & Top Stories - Latest World, US & Local News
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves assuming it loads. i'm two seconds in here.
BingoBoingo: Most routes to drug resistance encountered so far have been a round a long time, because some population of bacteria in a species need the genes to survive. Bacteria don't just spread genes through reproduction though... Microbiology is like Bioshock. Staph can pick up a plasid and get superpowers.
mircea_popescu: this is true
mircea_popescu: and yeah, some plasmids exist for circumventing some antibiotics, the sort that we've obtained "agriculturally" so to speak.
mircea_popescu: the sort that we've obtained synthetically, however, generally have no defense.
BingoBoingo: Right, for some reason farmers like giving shit beta lactams for no good reason.
mircea_popescu: (their only limiting factor is that human cells don't have a defense either, and rarely do you get a bonanza like tpi that's 5k as afine to bacteria folic process as to human for unknown reasons)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06700008 = 1.675 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meant the agricultural/synthetic thing a reference to an earlier discussion about how industry and agriculture compete for financing. you prolly recall it
BingoBoingo: That is true. Microbes generally don't try to kill other microbes through folate though.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The corn matter.
mircea_popescu: right
BingoBoingo: And the American farm and Amrican locker room being bigger hotbeds for MRSA than American Hospitals.
mircea_popescu: hm.
BingoBoingo: Which follows from if you can you must.
BingoBoingo: Apparently sub meaningful doses of antibiotics promote mammal growth.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, it should be interesting to see just what new plasmids become available for bacteria's game of bioshock now that there's all those genetically engineered crops around
mircea_popescu: and there, we've united all the topics
BingoBoingo: Indeed.
BingoBoingo: I'm probably roundup resistant by now...
mircea_popescu: it's always the unintended side consequences that are the more interesting.
BingoBoingo: The question of the next few decades is how many corn plasmids are small enough to find their way into bacterium...
mircea_popescu: which reminds me of the recent cheese wars lol. i dunno who missed the "oh yurp, you don't want our gmo crops ?! we won't want your messy cheeses then!!11"
mircea_popescu: quite clear message there
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Prolly best they don't mix.
mircea_popescu: exact fucking time to mess with this, when russia is pushing as hard as it can and iraq all but became an official al-quaeda state
mircea_popescu: fda thinks it's a good idea to annoy the european elite in the gullet, which is prolly the one thing they care about
mircea_popescu: i dunno who the fuck is in charge across the pond, but he couldn't be less able if he tried. a regular bismarck in reverse, that guy
BingoBoingo: I doubt all of Iraq is going Alqueda state. Seems like it will partion. Turks might even bless Kurdistan.
jborkl: http://www.bcoinnews.com/search/
mircea_popescu: if it's a square mile it's enough for utter defeat.
jborkl: I added a very simple block explorer, I will add more later
bitcoinpete: http://saweis.net/posts/nominations-for-crypto-projects-that-might-not-suck.html
assbot: Nominations for Crypto Projects that Might Not Suck
BingoBoingo: The Iraq situation would have been less of a mess if HW Bush and the Saudis would have been cool with Bin Laden's plan for liberating Kuwait.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete maybe send him a "Nomination for posts that might not suck : shut up, read assets logs for the next year"
bitcoinpete: lol
bitcoinpete: "Personal income tax revenues in April were 15.8 percent, or $7.9 billion, below the same month in 2013"
bitcoinpete: http://www.vagazette.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-state-taxes-20140612,0,895673.story
assbot: Size of income tax drop surprises U.S. states: study - vagazette.com
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: argentina salutes you :D
bitcoinpete: most unintentionally lulzy url too: vag-azaette
mircea_popescu: "Purchased credits to read http://trilema.com Prompt delivery. Great writer, good use of footnotes. Not retarded. Privilege unchecked." << customer reviews.
assbot: Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
fluffypony: lol
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 436012.92 in 815 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.05
fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTcv5q4WfMM
assbot: Khali muscle protein advert - YouTube
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306187 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 244 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 50 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13306514863.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.18382
BingoBoingo: I still don't think 14 Billion by Bastille day is happening.
BingoBoingo: http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/deputies-450-pound-volusia-man-his-drugs-stomach-f/ngLkW/
kakobrekla: just wait that fury (un)plugs some hash.
BingoBoingo: I think in addition to miners housed in the desert southwest dying, we might get to see some pool on pool DDoS violence.
BingoBoingo: So many exciting externalities could happen.
jborkl: Tha is constantly ongoin, just block withholding attacks on each other
jborkl: is hurts more than DDOS
kakobrekla: i doubt heat will do much
kakobrekla: those who dont the the heat math dont have big farms in the first place
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: CoinTerra, the People Garr pinned his "totes legit" badge on have a datacenter in the middle of the utah desert.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00081867 = 11.1339 BTC [-] {2}
jborkl: haha :(
kakobrekla: how much hash?
BingoBoingo: Not sure, but since they are way behind on refunds, probably all of theirs.
fluffypony: lol
kakobrekla: prolly even the bfl failwagon will offset that
thestringpuller: we might get to see some pool on pool DDoS violence. << cyberwarfare is an even for popcorn
kakobrekla: the subpar miners they have now , they gets to keeps and run themselfs.
BingoBoingo: It would kick ass if a tornado hit BFL's trailer.
kakobrekla: economically its better for them to simulate the subparness than to ship
bitcoinpete: heya bitstein
bitstein: hey, how goes it?
bitcoinpete: bitstein: pretty splendidly
bitcoinpete: sitting in a lovely old bank building at the bar
bitcoinpete: watching soccer and surfing logs
bitcoinpete: and you?
bitstein: ah that sounds nice. i'm working on schoolwork. and finding that making fun of bitangels is getting too easy: https://twitter.com/Bitstein/status/478608956026155009
assbot: An automated consultant for /BitAngelsdotco: http://t.co/HsxZCXSxvS We need an open source token-based distributed version, though.
bitcoinpete: always fun
asciilifeform: heat math << unterseeminer.
asciilifeform: the final solution (tm) to heat problem
asciilifeform: crypto projects that may not suck << where's the list?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 850 @ 0.00081982 = 0.6968 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: its rounded to empty.
kakobrekla: !up trixisowned
kakobrekla: you are owned
kakobrekla: fyi.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06700142 = 0.938 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: <asciilifeform> heat math << unterseeminer. << going into the trouble with pressure watertight sealing for hardware with lifespan measured in months? dunno
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/simple-bitcoin-block-explorer-added/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.06667206 = 5.0004 BTC [-] {7}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 598.0, vol: 13878.55265075 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 594.2, vol: 9707.91734 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 599.0, vol: 17280.37405547 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 604.85, vol: 51.13415512 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 603.96842, vol: 5008.65520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 597.23502, vol: 28.07766432 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 602.583228, vol: 133.01614452 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 598.243502558
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.066666 = 1.2667 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/06/16/1253209/super-bananas-may-save-millions-of-lives-in-africa << Product for Uganda Safety and efficacy trials carried out on 'Muricans
assbot: "Super Bananas" May Save Millions of Lives In Africa - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00082106 = 24.0571 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2012/10/quake-and-zap.html
assbot: Crazy RxMan: Quake and Zap
BingoBoingo: "A special DOS program (we only utilize the latest in computer programming technology at our pharmacy) is executed which prints a listing of barcodes representing 10%, 20%, 30%, etc. all the way to 100%. Then the tech or pharmacist scans a bottle of inventory, THEN shakes, quakes, and does a little magic dance to estimate how much is left in the bottle, be it 10%, 20%, etc., and then scans that barcode, hence the QUAKE-n-ZAP! Th
BingoBoingo: is is done multiple times until the tech either dies of boredom or it gets busy again. Usually this means about 50 zaps. THEN the computer compares what was scanned to the inventory on hand, and if it is off by a certain percentage, it updates the inventory on hand..."
BingoBoingo: "But here's where it gets insane. No one can accurately "estimate" how much is left in the bottle to any degree of accuracy, so we end up mostly only zapping full bottles."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00082106 = 2.4632 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2013/07/crazy-password-protection.html
assbot: Crazy RxMan: Crazy Password Protection
benkay: https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/478624448208441344 << retarded?
assbot: Those who don't ignore history are just as doomed to repeat it as those who ignore history. Because both will have the same history.
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/03/kneecaps/
assbot: Mob Boss Agrees to Shoot Man in Kneecaps Before Weekend | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/30-billion-processor-digital-river-bitcoin-payment-option/
assbot: $30 Billion Online Merchant Processor Digital River Adds Bitcoin Payments
ThickAsThieves: (via Coinbase)
FabianB: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021667 BTC (Total: 433.36 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]
FabianB: $depth f.mpif
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021667 100 @ 0.00021659 10000 @ 0.00021640 10000 @ 0.00021561
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 500 @ 0.00021726 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000 10000 @ 0.00040000
BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.09983010 BTC; +0.47628387 BTC (+0.2791%) since last check 6d 1h 53m 39s ago.
mike_c: benkay: 624448208441344 << retarded? << I was reading up and i thought that was one of assbot's wisecracks when it doesn't understand your command :)
BingoBoingo: Klye needs another IPO...
Apocalyptic: heh
fluffypony: lol
kakobrekla: <mike_c> benkay: 624448208441344 << retarded? << I was reading up and i thought that was one of assbot's wisecracks when it doesn't understand your command :) < those are way smarter than that
benkay: !derp
assbot: no u!
benkay: ha
benkay: okay i just bought a pile of insurance
benkay: now i need a pile of deals that this insurance will qualify me for to justify the expense
BingoBoingo: In a few centuries assbot error messages will be studied in the Classics department.
benkay: !up trinque
benkay: hey guys trinque is a friend of mine
benkay: be particularly nasty, eh?
BingoBoingo: fuck you benkay voice him yourself
trinque: I can take it
trinque: and I've already got a fancy plus sign
benkay: ya but you can't voice y'self yet
mike_c: !sorry assbot, you're very clever. and good looking.
assbot: ikr
mike_c: srsly
BingoBoingo: trinque: ASL?
trinque: I have transcended age, gender and location.
trinque: I am everywhere and all things.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00081861 = 29.2653 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: ;;ident trinque
gribble: Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~trinque@trinque.org', is not identified.
BingoBoingo: trinque: SO you're a 'Murican afraid of the gasenwagen as well
trinque: BingoBoingo: unfortunately so
BingoBoingo: trinque: Did you know that there is a device for accessing any secrets stored in a living human's memory.
trinque: BingoBoingo: alcohol?
asciilifeform: from the lolpharmz:
asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/opinion/sunday/frank-bruni-oversharing-in-admissions-essays.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When I start a university the prospective students are going to have to interview under the influence.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'i would like to attend your... hmrh, croak, zzz...'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By the time it happens I imagine I'll still be boozing, but the kids will be on their medical PCP or whatever.
BingoBoingo: !up princessnell
princessnell: hiya
BingoBoingo: Hello
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At least the students will be comforted that the summer reading before freshman year will never deviate.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44532 @ 0.00081837 = 36.4437 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: The Pre-Freshman year reading will be Spinoza's ethics. There will be a matriculation exam.
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/478619903675883520
assbot: If US gets involved in /hashtag/Iraq?src=hash it would join a /hashtag/Shiite?src=hash alliance w/ Assad, /hashtag/Iran?src=hash & /hashtag/Maliki?src=hash against a /hashtag/Sunni?src=hash movement http://t.co/TQHSloTN8c
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00081837 = 8.3065 BTC [-]
assbot: trinque +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: !up trinque
trinque: kakobrekla: thank you :)
BingoBoingo: Also at Bingo University, anyone who commits the crime of introducing a whiteboard to the campus will be caned in the Quad.
Mats_cd03: id let BingoBoingo cane me in public
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: I'd prefer you just have the good sense to realize the inherent superiority of Chalk on Slate.
Mats_cd03: chalk on slate isnt as kinky
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Well, Perhaps in the quad there will be a block of slate for the caned to bend over. Because slate is the correct writing surface in a classroom...
penguirker: New blog post: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-06-16
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00082218 = 2.7954 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1719 @ 0.0005 = 0.8595 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ho
thestringpuller: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 434656.24 in 806 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.24
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 180 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
BingoBoingo: And the Altcoin Market remains a standoff
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28aldt/ghashio_is_open_for_discussion/ci92qc0
assbot: luke-jr comments on GHASH.IO IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION
nubbins`: pretty rich
Mats_cd03: it needs an ATC Foundation
benkay: ;;ident trinque
gribble: Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~trinque@trinque.org', is identified as user 'trinque', with GPG key id 42F9985AFAB953C4, key fingerprint FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4, and bitcoin address None
benkay: ;;rate trinque 1 dat guy
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user trinque has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0708987 = 0.9926 BTC [+]
benkay: !down trinque
benkay: now trinque /msg assbot !up to give yourself voice
trinque: fancy
trinque: benkay: thank you sir
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00082218 = 8.3451 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Nah, ATC has better than a foundation, it has perfectly benevolent neglect.
BingoBoingo: Maybe we should start the rumor that Ghash.io is Government has, and refer to it as G-Hash and its operators as the G-men
benkay: yusss
benkay: it's the Government pool
nubbins`: it's known that ghash.io is USG
nubbins`: if you look up the docs for codename GIGA it's all spelled out
BingoBoingo: Let's get out the tinfoil bitches.
BingoBoingo: We're baking cake with this one.
nubbins`: i don't have any tinfoil bitches
nubbins`: wait
nubbins`: nevermind
BingoBoingo: Eh, there is another problem. All of other pools probably suck more.
BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/barrys-new-tell-enough-memoir-tries-to-recast-mayor-for-lifes-legacy-deny-troubles/2014/06/15/be15252c-f4a1-11e3-b22c-e48daaddce39_story.html
assbot: Barrys new tell-enough memoir tries to recast Mayor for Lifes legacy, deny troubles - The Washington Post
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/texas-police-now-ticketing-kids-for-cool-moves-1591564248
assbot: Texas Police Now Ticketing Kids for "Cool Moves"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00082218 = 3.1243 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ha ha ha
nubbins`: HEY KIDS
nubbins`: this is just a ploy to train kids not to run when a cop shouts HEY, YOU! STOP!
BingoBoingo: Exactly.
nubbins`: what's next, wolves giving sheep "get out of shearing free" coupons for grazing further from the shepherd?
assbot: SirDefaced +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up SirDefaced
BingoBoingo: Hello SirDefaced
SirDefaced: hello :)
SirDefaced: long time since ive used gribble haha
benkay: ;;gettrust SirDefaced
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user SirDefaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=SirDefaced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SirDefaced | Rated since: never
ThickAsThieves: http://seekingalpha.com/news/1803003-report-shipments-of-amd-nvidia-graphics-cards-hit-by-high-inventories?uprof=51
assbot: Report: Shipments of AMD/Nvidia graphics cards hit by high inventories - Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (NYSE:AMD) | Seeking Alpha
ThickAsThieves: "Weak Bitcoin-related demand is said to be taking a toll, and AMD and Nvidia (NVDA) have reportedly been pressured to cut GPU prices to boost demand. But both firms are instead opting to focus on cutting GPU shipments."
SirDefaced: im authed under defaced and it seems someone jacked my sn
SirDefaced: so ill be making a new WOT
ThickAsThieves: I wonder when AMD will just start making best-in-class ASICs
pankkake: fluffypony: I was going to link the SMBC here :p
fluffypony: pankkake: best one I've seen in a long time, and I love SMBC
benkay: ;;gettrust defaced
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SirDefaced!User@74.196.59.25. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user benkay to user defaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=defaced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=defaced | Rated since: Tue Sep 20 18:24:20 2011
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot defaced
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SirDefaced!User@74.196.59.25. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user defaced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=defaced | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=defaced | Rated since: Tue Sep 20 18:24:20 2011
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: There was an earlier discussion about existing BTC ASIC maker's mistake.
BingoBoingo: Moiety
moiety: hello!
moiety: you survived the storm BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: moiety: I managed to survive the winds, but was nearly washed off the road this morning.
moiety: washed off the road? were you driving? :o
BingoBoingo: moiety: Yeah. Was driving this morning and the temperature jumped 20 degrees... Then the rain came...
BingoBoingo: Well drained roadway with deep ditches on both sides, but the rain was falling faster than the water could runoff.
moiety: eeep, i don't think you should drive anywhere for a while BingoBoingo
bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/478646591730249728
assbot: Are /blockchain online bitcoin wallets potentially insecure? /aantonop say it ain't so! http://t.co/yoKFu376Jt /bitcoinpete
bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/478646920970129408
assbot: Are /blockchain online bitcoin wallets potentially insecure? /aantonop say it ain't so! http://t.co/yoKFu376Jt /bitcoinpete
bitcoinpete: Derpopolous: "All bitcoin wallets are “potentially insecure”, blockchain’s less so than anyone else." "100% security doesn’t exist. There are weaknesses in any system. We manage these risks…"
bitcoinpete: "we sell the slowest acting poison on the market!"
BingoBoingo: moiety: The drive was 2 minutes of terror and three hours of boredom.
BingoBoingo: http://unicode-inc.blogspot.com/2014/06/announcing-unicode-standard-version-70.html
assbot: The Unicode Blog: Announcing The Unicode Standard, Version 7.0
moiety: three hours? did you get stuck BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: moiety: No, was just covering distance.
moiety: you need a landrover for that rain
BingoBoingo: Or a car that isn't so bouyant.
moiety: what is it you have at present?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Just a boring Saturn Family sedan. Mostly plastic. Draws no unwanted attention and burns little gas.
moiety: one day, i would like one of these http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/nissan/1367206.jpg but i want to modify it to manual gearbox and bigger engine (they are only 1L autos)
moiety: saw a black one roll through my new town other day!
moiety: i've only ever seen two irl
Mats_cd03: is this 51% thing even a threat? color me unconvinced
BingoBoingo: Nice. I've always liked the idea of something simple like a Lotus 7, but... In practice I prefer a more disposable conveyance.
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Not really. Not this way at least.
pankkake: lol at the bullshit answers
pankkake: but after all, it's twitter
pankkake: and the all bitcoin wallets… is an outright lie. there is at least a clear line between web wallet where you don't have the key, web wallet where you have the key but malicious js can be served, and local software
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Don't forget local wallet on machine separated from the internet...
Mats_cd03: barry is a typical scrub
Mats_cd03: cant hold his lies together properly
BingoBoingo: http://28ri4j3anx8g2wfod51alicjuaw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/top-8-people-having-a-bad-day-.1.jpg
BingoBoingo: http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/05/14/meanwhile-in-drogheda-3/
assbot: Meanwhile, In Drogheda | Broadsheet.ie
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00082215 = 4.3163 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: https://imgur.com/WcCZx62
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
Mats_cd03: use your words
BingoBoingo: Fuck Facebook http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/06/elonis_v_united_states_supreme_court_will_hear_the_facebook_speech_case.html
assbot: Elonis v. United States: Supreme Court will hear the Facebook speech case.
BingoBoingo: The true threat doctorine is bullshit, and will not stand.
BingoBoingo: Where do the Bitpoor hang out nowadays?
BingoBoingo: I kind of want some Klye JustDice porn fic, but I don't want it enought to throw away more than a Bitcent on it.
BingoBoingo: I also can't be arsed to make a Fiverr account.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00082215 = 11.6334 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: describe porn fic and i may be willing to be your proxy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00082218 = 6.8241 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: I kind of want to read a short story about Just-Dice destroying Klye's anus with a strapon. Just-Dice also needs tits.
Mats_cd03: why do you want to fantasize about some pasty white boy
Mats_cd03: shits weak
BingoBoingo: I got drunk too early today to write a blog post myself. Kind of hoping some starving Indian or Kansasian bastard would be thrilled to have a bitcent.
bitcoinpete: moiety: one day, i would like one of these http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/nissan/1367206.jpg <<i've driven a figaro! very rare 'round here. http://www.carenvy.ca/2011/09/an-afternoon-aria-driving-on-the-wrong-side-with-the-nissan-figaro/
assbot: An Afternoon Aria: Driving on the Wrong Side with the Nissan Figaro | CarEnvy.ca
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424658.msg7352165#msg7352165
assbot: MP-2-BTC
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I'm sure Klye would
Apocalyptic: the issue is he is a poor writer
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: The thing is for this purpose he is to... not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for someone as lost with the English Language as I am reading Romanian Trilema articles.
Mats_cd03: give it a few years and that bitcent could convince klye to enact the scene for you
Mats_cd03: another bitcent and you might even get some decent postprocessing in there
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Do you remember last year when a Buttcoin was worth a whole 10 BTC
Mats_cd03: a lot has happened
BingoBoingo: Yeah.
Mats_cd03: i didnt own any until ~125
BingoBoingo: What part of last year was that...
BingoBoingo: ;;google trilema buttcoins nao
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
Mats_cd03: i imagine it was prior to february
moiety: bitcoinpete: that's immense! thanks for the link, so nice to read an actual experience of it :D i also didn't know: "A 5-speed manual was available from the factory, but of the 20,000 Figaros produced, only a small fraction had the do-it-yourselfer installed."
bitcoinpete: moiety :D
bitcoinpete: it was one of the funner driving experiences i've had
BingoBoingo: Eh, I don't judge my road experiences on what I'm driving, but on the WTF shit I encounter.
moiety: i would like a figaro at some point even moar nao!
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: as the passenger, sure
bitcoinpete: but some cars have a way of worming their way into your heart
moiety: you encounter a lot of wtf shit whilst driving BingoBoingo, like the pizza-sized man-grappling turtles and floods from nowhere
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: I imagine part of that is a side effect of Canada.
bitcoinpete: pretty much
bitcoinpete: there's not a lot to drive to or by
bitcoinpete: it's just… flat
moiety: the old minis are fun little things
BingoBoingo: moiety: I have a suspicion the redneck's intention for the turtle was soup, but... Would not be surprised if the turtle won.
bitcoinpete: moiety: never driven one! what's the biggest size of human they'll fit?
BingoBoingo: I could see having a "fun" car, but probably as a third car. First car is blending in car. Second is moving shit car. Third car can be fun car.
moiety: well the thing is, you can fit a six foot person in np, because there is nothing inside. ther foot wells are bare. so seat right back and you can fold a large person in. their head sort of skiffs the roof though
moiety: my uncle refurbed one for my mum as her first car before minis had their revival and panels were still £15 each. great wee car.
Mats_cd03: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/congressman-asks-nsa-to-provide-metadata-for-lost-irs-e-mails/
assbot: Congressman asks NSA to provide metadata for lost IRS e-mails | Ars Technica
Mats_cd03: excellent
bitcoinpete: moiety i feel like i'd need a sunroof to pop my fro out out of ;)
BingoBoingo is not yet sure if Miata or Trabant would be more of a fun car.
bitcoinpete: trabant is you're a wrencher, miata if you're a driver
moiety: miatas are for hairdressers BingoBoingo
bitcoinpete: and hipsters
bitcoinpete: and middle-aged middle managers
moiety: i honestly think they only look good hard topped
bitcoinpete: as far as i can tell hairdressers drive hyundai elantras
moiety: they are meant to handle brilliantly
BingoBoingo: I just like the idea of a car that is acceptable to move from one garage to another by one's hands and feet
Mats_cd03: miatas are r small, i can barely move inside one
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: so a bicycle
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: I cover too much distance for a bicycle. Also Bicycle may not have room for... compartments.
bitcoinpete: paniers
bitcoinpete: solve all your problems
bitcoinpete: i basically don't drive in the summer… all 4 months of it here
bitcoinpete: well, off to pottery class. bon soir
BingoBoingo: Does anyone here know how firearms laws work at the intersection of Panama and COlumbia?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I still don't think 14 Billion by Bastille day is happening. << dunno man. some crazy hash added past coupla days
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But can it stick.
mircea_popescu: well who's to know
BingoBoingo: I don't have resources to interfere with random blogs much less pools. Pool politics is getting rather Nasty. Reminds me of that place upstate named after it's stench.
mircea_popescu: jurov:
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> heat math << unterseeminer. << going into the trouble with pressure watertight sealing for hardware with lifespan measured in months? dunno << he has a solid point. the most important effect of overheat is shortening lifespan of chips. for miners ? who gives a shit, they're bricks in a year anyway
mircea_popescu: trinque so what do you do ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: write code, hoard bitcoins
trinque: yourself?
benkay: <bitcoinpete> well, off to pottery class. bon soir // someone's picking up new girlfriends
mircea_popescu: im an asshole.
benkay: trinque: http://mpex.co
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
mircea_popescu: benkay pottery not пиздery
BingoBoingo: So... after a lot of drinking on the matter I think I know what I'm doing with the portable.
benkay: art classes are great places to pick up girls!
BingoBoingo: benkay: Cam sites work so much better.
mircea_popescu: "single girl in artclass". does this sound like something to get involved with ?!
trinque: mircea_popescu: what luck! I too am an asshole
mircea_popescu: too late. already said you're a coder.
trinque: benkay: interesting
BingoBoingo: Then again as mircea_popescu pointed out last month... I probably need to target a cleaner class of girl...
mircea_popescu: i pointed out such ?!
trinque: hue "cleaner"
mircea_popescu: so til argentina has no national drink
mircea_popescu: this is a serious drawback
moiety: why would you want one that everyone's already seen anyways BingoBoingo
moiety: mircea_popescu: do they just drink everything?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought it was looking like Malbec...
mircea_popescu: apparently.
mircea_popescu: and what do you think, he's lookng for something new ?! he's not looking for novelty, he's looking for the same old thing well oiled.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well ya they have good wine, but i mean licker
BingoBoingo: moiety: So you know what they are into.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Wait, no hard liqour of worth there?
mircea_popescu: only imports.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00082215 = 18.2517 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: whichj... whatever, havana club
mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-06-16/ << you srsly need better urls
assbot: The problem with idioms...
BingoBoingo: Eh, if it isn't a good brown liquor, I'm prefer the closest thing I can find to a pure solution of ETOH and water
mircea_popescu: re the reddit ghash link, "It's ironic they propose "starting" what everyone else has been doing for years." << this will be the fucking epitaph of bitcoin once it finally fucking croaks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06761369 = 0.6761 BTC [-]
mthreat: mircea_popescu: fernet
mircea_popescu: i'd rather drink donkey piss.
mthreat: that doesn't mean it can't be the national drink