⏐︎ 8722
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.04999997 = 0.9 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00084533 = 10.3976 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 267 @ 0.00040014 = 0.1068 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00084537 = 2.4938 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00040013 = 0.12 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6227 @ 0.00084533 = 5.2639 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 259 @ 0.00321385 = 0.8324 BTC [+] {10}
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/2eac9ffaf2b3b08b475c16a28ccd6622/tumblr_mpmhwsgkUq1rdn1f7o1_500.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00337736 = 0.1013 BTC [+] {3}
KRS1: unf unF unF uNF
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 75 @ 0.00339919 = 0.2549 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4707 @ 0.000092 = 0.433 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25000 @ 0.0000943 = 2.3575 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00084537 = 5.199 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 567 @ 0.00369034 = 2.0924 BTC [+] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.04684184 = 4.6842 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 234 @ 0.00399987 = 0.936 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25110 @ 0.00009584 = 2.4065 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.554 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534999 = 0.535 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00084537 = 7.1011 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 63 @ 0.0045 = 0.2835 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.55001428 = 3.8501 BTC [-] {3}
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/26ca4062920a054824054fa97dcbc311/tumblr_mp8xl36UMB1rlo3vko1_500.jpg
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/77058617f35c8599359f67a6877a961a/tumblr_mlrtb0RxvC1rqqzgio1_500.jpg
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/2341e8e92f654ce66bcd213625c939a7/tumblr_mjiapjVPSv1rl5021o1_500.jpg
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/60f02f8ae53803f4cd5bae4dd52c62bb/tumblr_mguhal3yHC1s1mcw0o1_1280.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00534999 = 0.214 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9352 @ 0.00084533 = 7.9055 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.0008457 = 6.8502 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00084571 = 8.1188 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00084571 = 10.9942 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4847 @ 0.000097 = 0.4702 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.004 = 0.14 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 111 @ 0.00395198 = 0.4387 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 712 @ 0.00391404 = 2.7868 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00084533 = 2.2824 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.000098 = 0.49 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [-]
lippoper: master
lippoper: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjv54XLIw1qd33kzo1_500.jpg
lippoper: lol
lippoper: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1yo25FHs31qhs5wyo1_1280.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00084571 = 5.328 BTC [+]
lippoper: .bait what?
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzhlokSI8r1qzhnmco1_500.jpg
lippoper: wow
lippoper: such bait
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: artsy bait
pankkake: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28dw85scM1qducgxo1_1280.jpg
pankkake: she looks dead
pankkake: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1oossxxoV1qgbw1ro1_1280.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00395 = 0.1975 BTC [+]
lippoper: that .bait was not good
lippoper: .bait how better
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2dvgs9kCK1qfvrczo1_500.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.005 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04799999 = 0.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.048 = 0.768 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.048 = 0.288 BTC [+]
Neil: .d
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 976 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.5370% in 5d 12h 7m 55s
lippoper: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/8102059c4b3812f6106011fceff6e8a0/tumblr_mrdeyhX1rr1revbiho1_1280.jpg
lippoper: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/652d10514ea3c99bd4dba13393af9d16/tumblr_mrh7efelwL1racc9so1_500.jpg
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/32b5805831e7f10d0706dff9263ae58c/tumblr_mqqczaWOqW1qbmigqo1_1280.jpg
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/ec076e5063d22613324f9e380defb21f/tumblr_mqzi4c0eaS1r961bco1_1280.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.048 = 0.576 BTC [+]
lippoper: wow
lippoper: such bait
lippoper: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/d13176bef861304390690dba622cd3a7/tumblr_mrfaveDLEX1r43ttjo1_1280.jpg
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/36a06e08eb77b2e2ead1d7d44777c189/tumblr_mqv9icJo5E1rjhp2yo1_1280.jpg
KRS1: such fun
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/3f7ebfc420ee51c10265ff2a254f505a/tumblr_mqgvlybP0N1rehptdo1_1280.png
lippoper: some of these aren't bait, just flat ass chicks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57196798 BTC [+]
lippoper: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/2cc15ae6cf140506a6624aee87ce5144/tumblr_mrnmrpHsil1rk7pjxo1_500.jpg
lippoper: lol oldest bait ever
KRS1: LIES that is not bait
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/4112ea1fa317bcac361ab1f31b3316d7/tumblr_mqwryriYVw1qim75wo1_500.jpg
KRS1: Thats bait.
lippoper: that looks bait certifiable
lippoper: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/5f236adf8b51e0b87be3b6da2285620a/tumblr_mp9095ubhY1qejls2o1_500.jpg
KRS1: fap fap fap
KRS1: she's got wood
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00084898 = 37.907 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57198899 = 1.144 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57196798 = 1.1439 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00534999 = 0.2675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00535 = 0.2675 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.049 = 1.323 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.025001 = 0.125 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00084748 = 2.8814 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.02649979 = 1.325 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13583 @ 0.00085037 = 11.5506 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5444 @ 0.00084559 = 4.6034 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.57391889 = 5.7392 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00009123 = 0.2281 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00084464 = 12.3317 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00535 = 0.535 BTC [+]
Neil: 1600 BTC on the 2bn now. Not sure it can get 1690 BTC for the record.
KRS1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2k8qjSnvS0
ozbot: Bad Girlfriend Lyrics (DIRTY) - YouTube
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/8d916cddc387d97eebb11e4dab683b43/tumblr_mhycdxh7Nw1rsx13do1_500.jpg
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/83322eb1e0ca0956a924dae96bc4dca7/tumblr_mi4e4yh4Q91qz9pzzo1_1280.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12869 @ 0.00084735 = 10.9045 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1252 @ 0.00083083 = 1.0402 BTC [-] {5}
KRS1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxqyhTZDzFg
ozbot: Nickelback Next Contestant - YouTube
BingoBoingo: .d
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 949 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.9475% in 5d 9h 30m 51s
KRS1: hi
Neil: !help
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assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
Neil: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 11628 BTC profit, 37.5k BTC invested, 503.24 mio bets, 4.84 mio BTC wagered
Neil: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00085037 = 2.8062 BTC [+]
KRS1: love that site
BingoBoingo: Huh, Bitbet broke 12k BTC bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00085037 = 5.7825 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pastafarian-minister-christopher-schaeffer-is-sworn-into-new-york-town-council-9044607.html
ozbot: Pastafarian minister Christopher Schaeffer is sworn into New York Town Council - Americas - World -
mircea_popescu: guy came to be sworn in with a calender on his head.
mircea_popescu: best part ? it all happened @Pomfret, which our serbian friends will love :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00085037 = 8.6738 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00435 = 0.2262 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17695 @ 0.00084422 = 14.9385 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1941 @ 0.00084564 = 1.6414 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55057301 BTC [-]
twizt: so much affiliate spam
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/
ozbot: Most wrong and absolutely wrongest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: twizt they're kinda funny, in their warrior forum retardation. there was some dork coupla days earlier with his wave nonsense,
mircea_popescu: it's sort of like a petting zoo for the mentally challenged.
twizt: wheres a mod
twizt: much ban needed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55057 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00084588 = 4.4832 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: hardly worth the hassle.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534528 = 0.5345 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 23 @ 0.00435 = 0.1001 BTC [-]
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twizt: ty
assbot: yw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00084361 = 8.7314 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00084614 = 7.573 BTC [+]
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: wow, he actually did wear a colander on his head
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.06244998 = 0.1873 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.06244999 = 0.7494 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: "These guys worked for 10 years without pay. They have the right to have their work recognized with a diploma, which is nothing much these days."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ever heard of the bogdanov twins ?
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: or, wait...
mircea_popescu: the two guys that figured out the planck era.
asciilifeform: aha the french
asciilifeform: why remembered?
mircea_popescu: "All these were ideas that could possibly make sense. It showed some originality and some familiarity with the jargon. That's all I ask."
mircea_popescu: because i was having a dispute with some lambsy over hierarchy, truth and all that.
asciilifeform: make lambsy stuff his fingers in a mains socket. he'll learn hierarchy, truth...
asciilifeform: ... and power.
mircea_popescu: i don't want her to lose a nail.
mircea_popescu: anyway, how often does an onslaught against humanities constructed around the sokal hoaks end up blindised by a "o yeah ?! what about the bogdanov twins then
mircea_popescu: !!!"
pankkake: bogdanov twins are pretty much "tv scientists"
asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/sci.physics/KOBNOKq9FvI/ZjV8jeT9-AkJ
ozbot: Google Groups
mircea_popescu: o wait, you had them on tv huh
pankkake: got their phd because everyone was tired of them, and schemed to have it delivered by a prestigious school, though they had nothing to do with that school
mircea_popescu: i wonder what % of people are in their situation by now.
asciilifeform: "Igor and Grishka Bogdanov are long-time TV stars on
asciilifeform: french TV, with an act between science-fiction and scientific
asciilifeform: popularisation. I am a bit surprised that a faculty failed to
asciilifeform: *know* them as experts in mystifications."
mircea_popescu: afaik it wasn't deliberately constructed
mircea_popescu: no /
mircea_popescu: ?
pankkake: well, you end up having most diplomas wether you're good or not; most diplomas mean nothing. I certainly wouldn't hire anyone who has my diplomas and nothing else to show
pankkake: deliberately constructed?
asciilifeform: i'm all for a little 'lustration' of physics as a field:
asciilifeform: exam:
asciilifeform: lock candidate in a well-stocked lab, circa 1920.
asciilifeform: he must, say, construct a (working) triode valve.
asciilifeform: if he fails, he goes to Kolyma instead of physics.
mircea_popescu: pankkake yes, like sokal's.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem with this is the chinese would produce numerous triode valve procuders.
asciilifeform: sorta like an adult version of the 'MIT battery' test.
nubbins`: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/casascius-back
ozbot: Bitcoin Mint Reopens After Nastygram From Feds | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
mircea_popescu: you can probably train a well chosen monkey to make one
mircea_popescu: o hey.
asciilifeform: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ)
nubbins`: "But how do you know that the privkey inside matches the public key part? And how do you know the privkey wasn't copied by someone before being sold to you? This thing is far less secure than a downloaded paper wallet!"
nubbins`: so much comment fail
pankkake: it's not really comparable. sokal wanted to prove a point, they just were bad and wanted a phd
nubbins`: i don't have a third hand to do a triple-facepalm, so i'm using the table
mircea_popescu: pankkake yeah.
asciilifeform: you can train a monkey, yes. but the problem is to be unexpected and picked from a hat, like a soviet oral exam
asciilifeform: one fellow gets to make a triode, another, to measure speed of light to 1%, another...
mircea_popescu: so caldwell moving to "m,ake your own coin" model /
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wish to see this boat of yours.
pankkake: I remember when on my programming exams some studends were protesting because the things they had to solve were "new problems"
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: mp, not sure why he didn't do this in the first place.
mircea_popescu: i recall from my days in highschool that teh womenz mostly wanted to do again and again the same stuff as likely to show up on the bacalaureat thingee.
asciilifeform: you could improve virtually any field, not only physics, with Extreme Muppet Removal Algorithm (TM)
nubbins`: "you send me x+y coins, i keep y coins, mail you shiny metal, then send x coins to your shiny metal"
pankkake: it was first year though, second year was much more sane
pankkake: but that clearly was the result of the high school mentality
nubbins`: plenty of forum rage, "how am i supposed to know the coins are funded! who do i trust!" etc
mircea_popescu: the way they packaged it at the time was that womenz get scared in unfamiliar situations and therefore must "have practice
nubbins`: "things are different, my thinker doesn't work anymore"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` course you could make your own holosticks and fdill the coins yourself.
asciilifeform: this hologram business, why does anyone swallow it
nubbins`: these new ones will still come with holos
mircea_popescu: shuit up. it shines.
asciilifeform: coping holo is 1980s tech
asciilifeform: *copy
mircea_popescu: i once put a shiny thing on my cock and it got bigger.
nubbins`: that was a mirror ;p
mircea_popescu: haters
nubbins`: "shit, i've got two bellheads now!"
nubbins`: asciilifeform: and yet the only fakes i've seen have been brutally obvious
mircea_popescu: did the holo say GUC ?
pankkake: finding the way to make cocks bigger is the sure way to becoming a billionnaire
nubbins`: it didn't even use the same font
mircea_popescu: or did you end up with the CCI end
nubbins`: HEH
nubbins`: http://casascius.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/counterfeit.jpg
mircea_popescu: much low quality. such shitty.
mircea_popescu: why no cam ?
nubbins`: compare to: http://imgur.com/1rJZWvV
pankkake: oh, it's not an original because there is no original written on it. i get it!
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: "this hologram is not fake"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there's a tshirt idea for you :
asciilifeform: that last one - 'casascius' vs. 'casacius'
asciilifeform: (middle vs. sides)
mircea_popescu: "this is the original tshirt. everyone else is just wearing copies."
nubbins`: ooh
mircea_popescu: yw.
nubbins`: would probably fetch a higher price than my idea for bespoke public key shirts, too
asciilifeform: i've never even seen these before, and this part was obvious
nubbins`: asciilifeform, that's the infamous "hologram error" that noobs believe makes the coins more valuable
nubbins`: in fact, 1btc holo error coins are maybe one of the more common sorts.
asciilifeform: beautiful.
mircea_popescu: apparently caldwell couscous'd his own cascasname
nubbins`: a truly rare gem is a 2011 1btc WITHOUT a hologram error.
asciilifeform: i still don't get the appeal, maybe i'm just thick
nubbins`: the appeal for me is that i'm into coin collecting anyway
mircea_popescu: kinda like being the only guy at the swinger's party with a chick with total hysterectomy.
asciilifeform: if i want coldwallets in ampoules, i'll seal them myself
mircea_popescu: it's RARE.
nubbins`: it's like if you found a sexy woman whose pussy was coded in ASM or something.
asciilifeform: 'rare' is when you make 10 of something and they're the only such things on the planet
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : did anyone know that obamacare specifies it's illegal to provide better health plans for top executives than you provide for rank and file clerks ?
nubbins`: even us canadians don't take it that far.
nubbins`: that's ostensibly very egalitarian, got my doubts it'll work that way in practice
mircea_popescu: fuck practice. how dares it pretend to work that way in theory.
nubbins`: heh!
mircea_popescu: who would pay taxes in a fuckuntry where they actually believe random clerk has the same right to survive as a ceo.
nubbins`: regardless of premiums paid?
nubbins`: like, the ceo can't even pay extra for a better plan?
mircea_popescu: well apparently the notion that if i pay someone 1mn a year i can afford to pay for better health care than if he barely pulls his weight at 10k a year is a mystery nao.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: ceo buys a plane ticket and then whatever he likes.
mircea_popescu: basically, "let's make everything equal, in the sense that everything should suck"
asciilifeform: the whole thing is a 'conspicuous benevolence' circus, not actual politics.
mircea_popescu: "imagine, all the money we'll save"
nubbins`: well, short people can only raise a bar so high, y'know
jurov: we have put together an idea - etch the keys to the metal
mircea_popescu: jurov what's that help ?
nubbins`: there was a discussion about etched keys and medical imaging equipment
jurov: cover the privkey with another piece of metal, solder together
nubbins`: and whether the resolution is great enough
asciilifeform: the 'btc coin' is about as interesting as those cars they had in the 1890s, the ones with... reins.
jurov: and apply the stamp to the solder
jurov: no flimsy holos
nubbins`: hm.
mircea_popescu: i doubt this is in any way stronger.
nubbins`: so like a picture charm?
nubbins`: but soldered together?
jurov: yes, like with wax. you'll have to recreate the stamp if you tamper with it
nubbins`: seems trivial
jurov: imho harder than to peel off holo sticker
nubbins`: why not just press wax against the seal to dupe it?
nubbins`: lel 80yo woman with teddy bear hat walked up the road
nubbins`: oh sorry, it's a wolf head
jurov: yes, ofc seal can be duped, but it takes some time
mircea_popescu: some time /!
jurov: it's harder than to figure out how to dissolve holo sticker glue, that's all
nubbins`: common solvents ;p
asciilifeform: try liquid CO2.
nubbins`: freeze it off!
nubbins`: i'm itching to try a few things, but i don't want to ruin a bunch of coins
asciilifeform: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Physbitcoinkey.jpg
asciilifeform: this, i take it, is the scheme?
nubbins`: yeah
asciilifeform: what's on the other side?
nubbins`: the pubkey
asciilifeform: yes, but is there a holo?
nubbins`: wait the other side of what?
asciilifeform: or just metal
asciilifeform: the coin
nubbins`: just metal
asciilifeform: then you have your answer.
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nubbins`: http://imgur.com/TOxg3pc
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nubbins`: do i? :(
asciilifeform: slice metal coin with appropriate tool (excimer laser?), read key, fuse metal again.
asciilifeform: or drill with same, then borescope.
asciilifeform: hologram is untouched.
nubbins`: holo untouched, metal butchered
nubbins`: you're telling me you can half a coin along its height and reattach it?
asciilifeform: metal can be replicated with 19th c. tech.
nubbins`: hm
asciilifeform: http://site.spyville.com/spy-coins/spy-coin-quarter.jpg
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: would be tough to not roast the private key
nubbins`: it's just paper
asciilifeform: ever boil water in a paper cup?
asciilifeform: try it
nubbins`: that's a bit different, paper can survive comfortably at 100C
nubbins`: it cannot survive comfortably at the melt point of brass
asciilifeform: it doesn't even singe
asciilifeform: and laser doesn't melt, it sublimates.
asciilifeform: (unless you're a complete noob)
asciilifeform: re: drilling:
asciilifeform: http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/Omnivorous/20120304_moneta.jpg
nubbins`: true
nubbins`: regardless, there'd still be enormous heat transfer to the paper, no?
asciilifeform: so you remove the heat on the other side.
nubbins`: uh huh. right. sorry, no coffee yet today
asciilifeform: peltier element stack. keep the paper at a comfortable 20C.
nubbins`: i was looking at peltier fans the other day, actually
nubbins`: my folks have a propane fireplace, but the fan obv doesn't circulate the heat when the power goes
asciilifeform: consumer cpu peltier isn't the answer here, you want a fat stack like the kind used in PCR machines.
nubbins`: well, when these unfunded coins start hitting the market, i bet there's going to be some experimenting going on
asciilifeform: re: fireplace: nobody cancelled thermodynamics. your main problem will be to find a cold object for the other end of the peltier.
nubbins`: the air in the room :D
nubbins`: i've seen ones that will run off the temp differential between the top of the stove and the ambient air
asciilifeform: that's pretty easy. your tea kettle does much the same.
nubbins`: http://www.leevalley.com/en/gifts/page.aspx?c=&p=50246&cat=4,104,55967
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nubbins`: lee valley is a wondrous place for tinkerers and fiddlers
nubbins`: wait, is this even the same goddamn tech?
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: wait, no. similar.
nubbins`: anyway, i think the main reason nobody's tried slicing and dicing casascius coins until now is because the premiums were always so goddamn high
nubbins`: and nobody wanted to potentially flush a couple btc down the drain experimenting
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asciilifeform: no need to use an actual coin to experiment
asciilifeform: brass with paper glued to it should suffice for a proof of concept.
nubbins`: hm, nod
nubbins`: i think the holo itself would shrivel long before the paper browns, but point remains the same. as long as you can keep the reverse (or is it obverse?) at room-ish temperature
nubbins`: a casascius spy coin, imagine
asciilifeform: other idea
asciilifeform: private key is presumably printed after hologram is made
nubbins`: yes.
asciilifeform: STM (microscope) the holo side.
asciilifeform: watch for bumps.
asciilifeform: ink has mass!
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asciilifeform: poor man's STM can be made with a pair of piezo speakers ($1-5 each)
nubbins`: i've got stacks of piezos
asciilifeform: think 'record player' but with a very sharp needle and on an x-y plane instead of spiral.
nubbins`: with a needle and a piezo, srsly?
asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/ScanningTunnelingMicroscope_schematic.png
nubbins`: huh. yeah, apparently <$1k in parts
asciilifeform: one kid did an $50 demo (a decade or two ago?)
nubbins`: !
nubbins`: i'm imagining repurposing a 3d printer
nubbins`: precise x,y,z control
asciilifeform: nope. you need oscillating analogue signal for the kind of distances involved
asciilifeform: 3d printer gives you 0.1mm/step at best
nubbins`: PWM?
asciilifeform: stepper motor is geared so 1 step = x mm. of belt travel
nubbins`: aha
nubbins`: .1mm might be okay, y'know
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nubbins`: once you get a handle on the font, even a fairly low-res image would narrow things down to a reasonable set of possibilities
asciilifeform: once you establish a way to pick up ink/no-ink on the holo side, the jig is up.
asciilifeform: you might even be able to use the piezo needle for x-y and a sensitive capacitance meter for the 'ink' signal.
asciilifeform: holo is aluminum, coin is brass, ink+paper -> dielectric
asciilifeform: treat the system as a grid of very small capacitors...
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nubbins`: i'm about 70% of the way towards just giving you a coin to play with ;p
lippoper: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me0t3uS36r1qk2vvro1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: why count on others, do it yerself
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asciilifeform: btw, what's the thing printed on the top? 1st characters of key?
asciilifeform: if so, this means you can check your answer without popping the coin's cherry.
nubbins`: yes, correct
nubbins`: not quite firstbits, but you can check the code against a published list
asciilifeform: well then.
nubbins`: hence the derpiness of "how will we know the coins are funded?" regarding forthcoming self-funded coins
nubbins`: just clicking through related articles on wired
nubbins`: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/thats-not-how-you-use-it/
ozbot: That's Not How You Use It | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: there's an article on how to properly wear a bike helmet
nubbins`: and another explaining the dangers of tightly wrapping your macbook's power cord around the brick
nubbins`: up next: 10 reasons why it's a bad idea to masturbate with a reciprocating saw
asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/11/Snapshot-2011-11-14-16-35-171.jpg
asciilifeform: china tests orbital laser cutter.
nubbins`: that's quite the tangram
asciilifeform: (as good a guess as any)
nubbins`: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/lockwhip-bike-tool-demoed-by-rider-with-a-deathwish/
ozbot: LockWhip Bike Tool Demoed by Rider with a Deathwish | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
nubbins`: ^ pretty lelly video as well as article
nubbins`: "As you can see, the chap doing the demonstration is a qualified fixed-gear rider: With no brakes, he terrorizes pedestrians by running a red light at top speed and careers into London’s Picadilly Circus. He also has the obligatory skinny pants with Kryptonite Evo-Mini D-lock in the back pocket. Rest assured: this guy is a professional."
asciilifeform: looks a little like: http://www.milsurpstuff.com/prodimages/PJTW1.jpg
asciilifeform: ('m16' barrel wrench. single-piece combo tools are nothing new.)
nubbins`: i like how they chose an asshole rider who blows red lights to demo their product
nubbins`: near the end of the video, he misses a bus by about two coats of paint
nubbins`: switching gears for a second, looks like this gem will sell: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/331103983219?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
nubbins`: ooh, pun actually not intended.
asciilifeform: wonder if just us having this conversation shaved a few pennies of the market value of these things
asciilifeform: crack one, crack them all...
nubbins`: there's a high level of irrationality present in the subset of people who are into these coins
asciilifeform: can't imagine it would survive a public reading of the key through the holo.
nubbins`: at decfon last year, they managed to remove a holo while leaving only slight traces of tampering
nubbins`: everyone then rushed to get their coins graded and slabbed, as if the cat wasn't already out of the bag
asciilifeform: 'slight' is not quite as spiffy as 'none.'
nubbins`: not nearly as spiffy, no
nubbins`: i still haven't seen a legit, undetectable unfunding.
asciilifeform: 'best way to predict the future is to invent it.'
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: casascius started offering pgp custody chains
nubbins`: i took him up on it and have been offering to extend the chain to buyers. only one has taken me up on it so far.
nubbins`: to be fair, once the coin changes hands twice, a chain of custody is essentially useless
asciilifeform: well, chain of custody could help you avoid coins touched by people with dirty minds, like you and i.
asciilifeform: (though if i actually gave a damn about exploiting casascius, last thing i'd do is tell people about it.)
nubbins`: the devil you know, etc
nubbins`: one of the interesting things about casascius coins is that nobody seems to know how to price them
nubbins`: there are a handful of fools who insist on pricing via "2x/4x face value" and other nonsense
nubbins`: as if the face value of a coin has any bearing on its numismatic value
nubbins`: then there are the fools who believe their coins are impossibly valuable -- plenty of 25btc rounds with asking prices of 40+btc
nubbins`: as if somebody's going to pay a $13,000 premium for a round minted last year
nubbins`: i spoke to a guy who TURNED DOWN an offer of 30btc for his 10btc round.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/
mircea_popescu: i'm doing internet muppets today.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, ever read "the coming insurrection"?
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
nubbins`: written by "the invisible committee", aka the Tarnac Nine
nubbins`: seems like the sort of thing you might enjoy reviewing, if not reading
asciilifeform: speaking of truly bizarre, for anyone who missed it earlier:
asciilifeform: http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/2711/1/The%20answer%20lies%20in%20the%20sewers(lsero).pdf
asciilifeform: "the answer lies in the sewers."
nubbins`: http://zinelibrary.info/files/pdf_Insurrection.pdf
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-I6XTVZXww other bizarre
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` aite.
nubbins`: pdf, i know
nubbins`: it's not readily available in plain text
asciilifeform: neither is 'sewers', but definitely worth reading.
nubbins`: i first read this around the time "occupy" was floundering about. had a chuckle at one point where they decry the General Assembly as essentially the worst idea ever
nubbins`: meanwhile, 5k hippies in downtown NY...
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i guess i'll convert it
nubbins`: asciilifeform, i'm gonna bookmark this
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, i downloaded the printable version and read it as hard copy
nubbins`: easy print-stack-fold format
nubbins`: incomprehensibly, the printable version is english-only
nubbins`: ...
nubbins`: actually, sorry.
nubbins`: http://tarnac9.wordpress.com/texts/the-coming-insurrection/
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nubbins`: i think that's actually the complete text
nubbins`: "Another reflex is to call a general assembly at the slightest sign of movement, and vote. This is a mistake. The business of voting and deciding a winner, is enough to turn the assembly into a nightmare, into a theater where all the various little pretenders to power confront each other. Here we suffer from the bad example of bourgeois parliaments. An assembly is not a place for decisions but for
nubbins`: palaver, for free speech exercised without a goal."
nubbins`: that's rich
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: k, gotta jet. peace
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why am i reading a french text in english ?!
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benkay`: the only fartup in which i'm taking equity right now is Bitcoin.
KRS1: did you guys se this
KRS1: https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5509
ozbot: Ripple Discussion • View topic - Peercover Simple Stocks
benkay`: https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5509#p36398
ozbot: Ripple Discussion • View topic - Peercover Simple Stocks
benkay`: "So if I own a business I can sell shares on ripple using your service? I will need to look into this..."
KRS1: looks like it
benkay`: if this person actually "owned" an actual "business" they wouldn't be "looking into" selling shares on some derpy ripple thing
KRS1: actually it specifically says you can buy/sell tickers tied to the ripple protocol with this platform
KRS1: hard to figure out what the hell anymore..such scam everywhere you look it seems
benkay`: if it's not actually a bitcoin it's a scam
benkay`: most of the time it's a scam of the innocent 'i want to derp a thing related to buttcorns so i'll poop some features and call it bitcoin 2.0' type
KRS1: so consider this..peercover is insurance but they also will now have an exchange for trading..doesn't this complicate their liquidity requirements
kakobrekla: kyle_torpey ENJOY YOUR MEAL, eveyone, kyle_torpey is having lunch!!!11
pankkake: bitcoin businesses seem to raise money when they don't need it, end up with a shitload of coins, and simply don't have any incentive to work
pankkake: whereas they could do most of the work before raising funds
benkay`: KRS1: where can i read more about peercover being insurance? their website has *nothing*.
KRS1: sec
mircea_popescu: KRS1 how is this new/noteworthy/whatever ?
mircea_popescu: and who's kyle
benkay`: also i ams in need of htmling and cssing does anyone in here have a recommendation?
mircea_popescu: and oter questions
KRS1: wow peercover site sux
mircea_popescu: benkay` alberto ?
benkay`: alberto?
pankkake: benkay`: what do you mean exactly, htmling and cssing?
mircea_popescu: yes, alberto amandi. an expert.
jurov: safety-compliant round corners?
mircea_popescu: read like "an hero"
KRS1: I found more information about peercover here http://ripplefederation.org/news/peercover-launches-distributed-insurance-platform-built-on-ripple
pankkake: I only do manly CSS. sharp corners, no shadows
benkay`: pankkake: mvp landing pages, 2014-compliant design choices
mircea_popescu: "only do mainly" is not english
benkay`: styling of web application stuff and of course hacking on legacy crap
mircea_popescu: KRS1 do you see any indication this is anything more or other than a purely nominalist rebranding of their old crap that was already beaten to shit in the marketplace ?
pankkake: mircea_popescu: manly not mainly
mircea_popescu: whoa i cnat raed.
KRS1: mircea_popescu my vote is no
KRS1: i tossed it out to the chan to see if anyone had an opinion
KRS1: mircea_popescu: it wasn't peercover exactly I was trying to get at here, it was their trading platform
mircea_popescu: the idea they're still pushing usagiesque nonsense...
mircea_popescu: crowd insurance. heh.
KRS1: thats a nightmare waiting to happen imo
KRS1: love this analogy: xrp, like worldcoin turned our lady bitcoin into a cheap whore
mircea_popescu: initially they thought they can buy their way into relevancy, and intelligent actors bleed them dry.
KRS1: haa nice
mircea_popescu: now they don't dare try for phase two of that, and so they're stuck waiting. it will probably be indefinite.
KRS1: they're hitting up angel investment in the meantime
asciilifeform: the funny part is that these folks would be richer, work less, and spend slightly less time in jail if... they wrote virii.
asciilifeform: and would be serving a useful 'ecological purpose'
asciilifeform: (put people off winblows)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they'd be even richer, work more at shit they like working at and so on and so forth if they just gave up their delusions of self importance and agency and just found some better people to submit to.
mircea_popescu: in short, people rarely make the best decisions for themselves
mircea_popescu: it's out of that wastage that communities emerge in the first place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i specifically brought up crapware as a field where a modestly clever fellow could work without answering to anyone.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but their problem kinda is that they should be answering to someone. i can sorta see the loneliness in their actions.
asciilifeform: i'm not certain why you so readily conclude that they aren't happy 'wolf men'
asciilifeform: (in the medieval sense of 'rogue')
mircea_popescu: well... either because i'm naive or because i've seen happy wolf men and they don't look like it
mircea_popescu: a knave is not a rogue.
mircea_popescu: a knave is just a boy without a father.
KRS1: asciilifeform the problem with crapware is capitalizing on it, thats where the road ends for most..writing virii is the easy part
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KRS1: lol @ <CiPi> And everyone must know, bitcoin will never be accepted by banks. NEVER. And because of this the price of bitcoin will rise like the price of cocaine in 1960.
asciilifeform: KRS1: crap artists (whom i hunt for a living, different story) never seem to have any problem renting out space on their crapnets.
kakobrekla: i wanna hear the different story
mircea_popescu: is it the phenomenology of cool driving it ? like he guy with the ferrari at burning man never having trouble "renting" the bitch ride ?
mircea_popescu: or is it actually economical ?
asciilifeform: maybe once i leave that work behind. i promise it isn't an interesting story though.
asciilifeform: most of what i see is profoundly disappointing in the intellectual sense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember your essay on spam?
mircea_popescu: i do.
asciilifeform: about how most spammers are cargo cultists
asciilifeform: who heard, of someone long ago and far away, turning a profit...
pankkake: it's very much like bitcoin mining
pankkake: profit is in selling the stuff
pankkake: I don't think it used to be as separate as it is now
asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell' ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: that promised the reader that he could learn to summon devils
mircea_popescu: hfkajs@hotmail.com
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asciilifeform: who would help him find treasures
asciilifeform: the book changed hands many, many times
asciilifeform: each time, for a much greater price
asciilifeform: i think back to this every time i read about the btc mining 'industry.'
mircea_popescu: at least in the 1800s it was a book
mircea_popescu: now it's a box
mircea_popescu: anyway, the quote above is from my own blog. cargo cultist got a spam script, understands some parts of how it works. ends up sending the unprocessed spinlist.
asciilifeform: worst part is that in this latter case, the devil occasionally appears and shits out a little gold, just enough to temp the sinner into being stupider
mircea_popescu: imo that's the good part, but hey.
asciilifeform: i do agree, it's far more interesting with fully-functioning devils.
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asciilifeform: getting back to the crapware: most instances you're dealing with a case of 'work 12 hrs. a day to make minim. wage while you sleep.' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i like that expression.
asciilifeform: most of the career spammers / crapware artists are based in parts of the world where the resulting pennies buy you something approaching a civilized life.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure i lifted that phrase straight from your essays
mircea_popescu: i came to it studying the warrior forum (*) years ago, when i noticed the unifying factor in all their textual emissions was a desire to "make money while you sleep". ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as someone who works 'with' these people, i think i have a bit of a psycho-crackpot angle on their driving philosophy
mircea_popescu: * it's a large, affiliate forum. people who eke out a harsh existence at the edges of economy, internet and legality. the guys who buy 50k clicks on site y to send to site x.
asciilifeform: they want to eat without submitting.
mircea_popescu: that part is fine.
asciilifeform: some of them, if they could be fishermen on some forgotten shore, would probably take it up.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the baby is thrown with a bathwater somewhere at some point somehow tho
mircea_popescu: because at the bottom line there's no baby.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most successful ones i've 'met' so far live in your home town.
jurov: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:984a516497b5bbf7875262e65772f2c2155a07cc3d0a46a878f36fae
gribble: You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7
mircea_popescu: ha.
asciilifeform: (obligatory note about the traditional 'good spies' vs. 'famous spies')
nubbins`: re: french vs english, i have no idea. TANJ.
nubbins`: apparently french people don't want to print things, nor read web pages
mircea_popescu: ;;google here's a story from our town, of the prettiest girl around.
gribble: JOHNNY CASH LYRICS - Ballad Of A Teenage Queen - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/balladofateenagequeen.html>; Rodney Crowell - Ballad of a Teenage Queen (with lyrics) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNKOTdwtT3s>; Our Town - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Town>
mircea_popescu: there we go.
nubbins`: although a simpler explanation is that anglos find The Coming Insurrection much more interesting than francos.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` which is kind of my point.
asciilifeform: crapware is a very valuable psychological gauge of mankind
mircea_popescu: in french is just a banal term paper on the works of otherwise commonplace academics.
asciilifeform: in the sense that it spans the entire spectrum from 'idiot, how does he remember to breathe' to 'brilliant, jewel of the ages'
nubbins`: i think there's less of an "allure of the unknown" on these sorts of topic in french society
mircea_popescu: in the intellectually-desititute english language, it's an incendiary tract glenn beck gets all excited about.
nubbins`: for obvious reasons
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : the french actually still think.
nubbins`: they still think and they still kick up a stink once in a while
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i agree, and i propose to you it's because it is a free market.
nubbins`: by and large, the anglo world was long ago cowed into inaction
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct. and what's yet funnier, it showcases the 'marx' point about 'alienated labour'
nubbins`: and texts like that are essentially an edgy fantasy novel
mircea_popescu: that's a reading on it, but i doubt there's depth there.
asciilifeform: in that the true craftsmen stand to profit directly from their craftsmanship, while the idiots are doing it 'as a job'
nubbins`: speaking of craftsmen, installing some nice new countertops and cabinets in the studio.
asciilifeform: curiously, the uptake of btc among crap artists has, so far, been minimal. they are very 'tradition-bound.'
asciilifeform: the few exceptions tend to get hyped up in the media organs
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/bjLuDv9
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: will be nice to finally have a place to lay things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the premise that criminals are driven by a desire to acquire wealth is flawed here. crap artists aren't REALLY running a business.
mircea_popescu: they're trying to entertain themselves.
nubbins`: ooh, ^
asciilifeform: the good ones are clearly motivated by the pleasure of the craft
mircea_popescu: and the bad ones by boredom
asciilifeform: e.g. bulgarian 'dark avenger' and his intellectual descendents
mircea_popescu: in the end... kind of the same thing n'est pas.
asciilifeform: the bad ones seem to be motivated by... need.
asciilifeform: in the sense of a street beggar
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't believe anything poor people say that has "need" in it.
nubbins`: need mixed with lack of ambition, perhaps
mircea_popescu: i've yet not heard a case that wasn't a lie.
asciilifeform: in that very special sense of 'need'
mircea_popescu: yawell.
asciilifeform: 'ineedadrink, gimmme'
nubbins`: (verb conjugation is a very fluid thing here)
asciilifeform: in June, the fellow who wrote a popular trojan, 'Caberp', was pwned, and his whole disk posted for public amusement
mircea_popescu: what os ?
asciilifeform: if i recall, he was making about 1k usd / mo.
asciilifeform: winblows what else
mircea_popescu: so wait.
asciilifeform: it was the most valuable 'psychiatric' find in the field, because the disk was full of correspondence with customers and half-finished work
nubbins`: 1k/mo?
mircea_popescu: guy on windows pulling in 1k/mo is the nikki minj of viruses ?
nubbins`: that's like
nubbins`: below the poverty line
asciilifeform: remember: 'famous spy'
mircea_popescu: this is almost as much lol as the first time i got actual data as to what entertainers actually earn.
asciilifeform: 'most famous spy' != 'best spy'
mircea_popescu: dude they be rappaz. dey come take yo woman an' ride.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: let me guess, not enough to sustain their lavish lifestyles? ;p
mircea_popescu: i read all about it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what lavish lifestyles.
asciilifeform: there are mining nets 1mil+ strong.
nubbins`: you know, like renting out sports cars for video shoots.
nubbins`: or buying everyone's drinks at "the club"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that there are commecrial fleets worth >1bn does not necessarily mean any one ceo is living in better conditions than your average gulag campmaster.
mircea_popescu: you ever seen a star buy everyone drinks ?!
nubbins`: no D:
pankkake: http://www.osnews.com/story/27519/_OpenBSD_will_shut_down_if_we_do_not_have_the_funding_ (they accept btc donations)
ozbot: "OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding"
mircea_popescu: yay.
nubbins`: was surprised to learn de Raadt was canadian
pankkake: oh? I forgot
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why yay ?
nubbins`: maybe the only calgarian who doesn't work in the service, oil, or cattle industries
nubbins`: dated a girl years ago whose grandfather was an oil guy. he couldn't even keep track of all the places he owned land.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was my sort-of clever retort to nubbins
pankkake: openbsd = grumpy paranoid old guys so I thought it would fit in here
mircea_popescu: not my fault people spam the chan with stuff one could even claim is relevant.
nubbins`: the fault is mine on that point
mircea_popescu: pankkake how much do they need anyway ?
asciilifeform: ~20k, says
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: (usd)
nubbins`: less than 24btc!
jurov: they should make openssh issue spammy donation pledges every now and then. problem solved
pankkake: maybe people don't know that funds openssh
pankkake: and other nice things
mircea_popescu: donate via bitpay. heh.
mircea_popescu: well, does anyone know any of the devs ?
punkman: don't they need most of the money to keep testing builds on a bunch of old hardware?
pankkake: converted to filthy CAD
nubbins`: the new polymer bills can be washed ;p
pankkake: basically to fund theo's "datacenter"
asciilifeform: 'openbsd, running on dead squirrel in shoebox since 19xx...'
pankkake: http://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg close
asciilifeform: (obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBLr4wbiR6E)
punkman: seems like a lot for just electricity, what the fuck does he have stashed in there
pankkake: old hw is power hungry
asciilifeform: looks like a microvax in there (mid-right)
nubbins`: probably using incandescent bulbs too, the bastards
mircea_popescu: i use incandescents.
nubbins`: well, CFLs are full of mercury and don't work in dimmers
asciilifeform: their ventilation probably eats more kW/hr. than these machines.
nubbins`: too bad they'll soon be -- no joke -- ILLEGAL here
nubbins`: you occasionally see people at the hardware store with a shopping cart full of incandescent bulbs
asciilifeform: nubbins`: there are persistent rumours of people buying crates of classical lights to speculate in, when the black market comes.
nubbins`: well, the issue i have is that my home requires heating nine months out of the goddamn year.
mircea_popescu: check me out in #openbsd lol
mircea_popescu: so far we're at **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 19 22:13:01 2014
mircea_popescu: Jan 19 22:13:01 *Now talking on #openbsd
mircea_popescu: Jan 19 22:14:04 <mircea_popescu>soo, who has the authority to make a deal so I can cover the 20k shortfall ?
mircea_popescu: Jan 19 22:16:24 <woopstar>mircea_popescu: you need to contact Theo
mircea_popescu: Jan 19 22:16:32 <mircea_popescu>how would i go about that ?
nubbins`: now, if i'm running electric heat in my home 9 months out of 12
nubbins`: i should be allowed to use the most inefficient bulbs possible
nubbins`: doubly so if i've got an oil furnace.
pankkake: environmentalists don't understand that
pankkake: they probably want to ban inefficient heaters
asciilifeform: what, one might wonder, is an inefficient electric heater?
pankkake: exactly
asciilifeform: one that radiates too much in RF?
nubbins`: i wonder do they understand that domestically-produced incandescents shipped in corrugated cardboard makes more sense than chinese CFLs in plastic clamshells shipped across an ocean?
nubbins`: asciilifeform: a light bulb is an inefficient electric heater ;)
kakobrekla: its efficient heater
asciilifeform: the CFL thing is cynical bastards knowing exactly what they're doing, rather than mere ineptitude.
kakobrekla: inefficient light source.
kakobrekla: im going led.
nubbins`: nah man, it wastes what, 10% energy producing light?
nubbins`: maybe the worst heater
pankkake: usually regulations like that come with requirements that allow only one manufacturer
pankkake: so it might not be chinese, it will be worse; overpriced crap
kakobrekla: its efficient heater compared to inefiicient light source
nubbins`: well i tell you, i busted three CFLs in my bedroom before realizing that they're not meant for dimmers.
kakobrekla: lol
nubbins`: almost started tearing out the wiring, decided to check the box
nubbins`: "...oh"
pankkake: some LEDs are good, but you have to hunt…
kakobrekla: mhm
nubbins`: i'll probably start moving to LED when the current bulbs start going
asciilifeform: i still have yet to see an led lamp that will evenly light a room without being the size of a small tv set.
nubbins`: well that's the other problem, the type of light
nubbins`: generally i find CFLs to be mercilessly cold
nubbins`: much too blue
Diablo-D3: you can get warm cfls
Diablo-D3: problem is
Diablo-D3: cfl cri is too low
asciilifeform: white led is based on the same principle as the classic fluorescent tube ('phosphour', but with IR led instead of gas plasma for the excitation)
asciilifeform: so in principle you can get any colour you like
asciilifeform: just need the right rare earths
mircea_popescu: curious if anyting comes of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the CFL thing is cynical bastards knowing exactly what they're doing, rather than mere ineptitude. << verily.
mircea_popescu: "currently coal burning means x mercury released in atmosphere per hour. we take that x and split it : 40% goes to atmosphere, 60% goes to your own house. but we're only gonna talk ofg the 40%"
asciilifeform: the luminosity/watt claims (transparently bogus, visit an electronics store) and the lifespan claims (chinese driver electronics in the lamp base)...
pankkake: I've had a lot of incandescents burn in less than 6 months. but it might have been the container's fault, too much heat
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the idea with led lighting is to go for spots i think
asciilifeform: on the other end of the spectrum... http://www.centennialbulb.org/
asciilifeform: ('underclocked' edison bulb)
pankkake: spots are great - I have really good lightning after proper orienting
pankkake: yeah, but underclocking is cheating
asciilifeform: anyone remember the bulbs they used to have in street lamps? the size of a man's head?
asciilifeform: betcha those would last decades at 100W
asciilifeform: the claims of 'bulb conspiracy' are not physically accurate, though
asciilifeform: as late as 40 yrs. ago, there was no way to economically regulate the current flowing through the filament
asciilifeform: except using the filament's own resistance
asciilifeform: (or that of other bulbs in series)
asciilifeform: but now you can use PWM, silicon rectifier.
asciilifeform: as in the dimmers commonly sold. (hence why they often buzz slightly.)
mircea_popescu: stil lin use here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the mega-incandescents?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: some haven't burned out/been broken in the more rural parts
asciilifeform: wonder if they're the same soviet caliber i saw!
mircea_popescu: so never got replaced
Diablo-D3: is anyone buying primecoin?
asciilifeform: 500W i think
asciilifeform: funnily: in wash.dc, the late-19th c. light poles near the Capitol and Smithsonian (museaums) are sized for those mega-bulbs
mircea_popescu: sounds aobut right
asciilifeform: but have piddling little CFLs in them for some years
mircea_popescu: (timisoara is teh first town in teh world to use electric lighting btw)
asciilifeform: many with the jagged wrecks instead of full CFLs - vandals
asciilifeform: comically small for the fixtures
asciilifeform: 'hot dog in hallway'
jurov: wait when they put LEDs in
asciilifeform: no LEDs here, afaik
jurov: well, over there in austria/germany they use linear fluorescents for streetlights
jurov: such 1930s feel
asciilifeform: they have those here too, at fuel stations
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00084584 = 14.4639 BTC [-]
nubbins`: mostly sodium on the poles here
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 27 minutes and 42 seconds
mircea_popescu: there's 3-4 blocks within ten minutes, then half hour off, then again
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this bs.
asciilifeform: new transformer at ft. meade, but fuse isn't to spec. blows every day.
asciilifeform: or: the mexicans left a lunch box in the cooling tower. so, jams.
mircea_popescu: i stil lcan't get over that quora byline
mircea_popescu: "the best source for knowledge", seriously ?!
asciilifeform: at least it isn't 'Google Knol'
mircea_popescu: just how ragingly uncultivated does one to be to be these days
asciilifeform: (ami the only one who automatically thought 'grassy knoll')
mircea_popescu: hehe no
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00084584 = 7.6126 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and again 3 blocks past 10 minutes
mircea_popescu: there's something very fucking weird at work here.
pankkake: yeah, statistics are weird
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, cheerleader auditions
mircea_popescu: http://noescapepublicnudity.tumblr.com/image/54594998334
ozbot: Castle von Dorkenstein: No Escape Public Nudity: Photo
pankkake: tattoos are probably not allowed for cheearleaders
mircea_popescu: why so square ?!
nubbins`: i think the shits came from that google knol over there
nubbins`: pankkake, then there would be no cheerleaders
mircea_popescu: he's never seen a tramp stamp :D
punkman: http://voices.yahoo.com/bitcoin-20-explained-colored-coins-vs-mastercoin-vs-12475857.html
ozbot: Bitcoin 2.0 Explained: Colored Coins Vs Mastercoin Vs Open Transactions Vs Protoshares - Yahoo Voice
punkman: "Perhaps you will even be able to trade a protoshares-backed currency on top of Mastercoin for BitMastercoins one day."
pankkake: so many CEOs
kakobrekla: inception was shit.
punkman: Open Transactions seems to do some useful things, but they want to become a startup now
Duffer1: startup of what?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00294 = 0.197 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00084583 = 13.1527 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00294 = 0.2999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> so many CEOs <<
mircea_popescu: ceo is quckly becoming the new vp
mircea_popescu: im curious what;s coming up next.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 200 @ 0.00175 = 0.35 BTC [-]
jurov: supreme excutive officer
mircea_popescu: megadirettore magistrale
pankkake: that shit is not really bitcoin specific, i've seen many open source projects get press coverage, even get funding (Diaspora*), when no one on board was able to really do the job
mircea_popescu: (duca-conte piermatteo barambanni)
jurov: haaaaa someone scalping x.eur
jurov: oh, and nobody charts it? gotta fix that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13177 @ 0.00084767 = 11.1697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3880 @ 0.00084767 = 3.289 BTC [+]
KRS1: CEO..now I've got to start planning for my new position as chairman
KRS1: I sit in a chair every day. I know everything there is to know about it.
jurov: chairperson..you gotta be gender-politically correct
megadirettore_ma: damn.
jurov: http://craphound.com/images/R_U_cyberpunk.jpg haha
KRS1: hey i have a friend like that
pankkake: that's how I imagine most of you guys
KRS-: for the record I'm nothing like that..not a redneck but drive a newer model diesel 4x4 truck and have a fast car for drag racing, but haven't messed with it in a while..go to bars with friends and hang out when i can.
lippoper: I've met KRS- IRL and I can vouch for what he said
KRS-: i barely know how to use my droid phone lol
KRS-: hey whats up lipopopop
mircea_popescu: is that slash
lippoper: whazzah
lippoper: gimme some
lippoper: .bait
KRS-: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/b9ddf895b88fe3ef67ae08bcd95b91b4/tumblr_mupz36Y97d1rt5ktoo1_500.jpg
KRS-: there
jurov: not slash, i'm pegging it as pua cooperation
lippoper: wow nice
KRS-: Isn't that too much weight for a cyber punk's waif body to handle
mircea_popescu: lol pua coop
lippoper: flail
lippoper: why heavy
lippoper: much fail
lippoper: wow
lippoper: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/6442eb760dda4318497fd502aa08fd67/tumblr_muzd7k3m9b1qk2vvro1_500.jpg
lippoper: wow
lippoper: middlecoin
lippoper: to tha moon