Ademan: damn, what's with the AM1 plummet?
BingoBoingo: Ademan: Everything is with the AsicMiner plummet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1291 @ 0.00086807 = 1.1207 BTC [-] {3}
Ademan: BingoBoingo: I had stopped watching around the time it bottomed out, but it looked like it was on its way back up
BingoBoingo: Ademan: Do they have a new farm with new chips?
Ademan: BingoBoingo: thought they were supposed to in Q1? Unless there was a delay.
Ademan: (Since it wasn't scheduled to have happened yet, I don't know what would have shaken confidence)
BingoBoingo: Ademan: And the rate at which people build up Bitfurries and Knc miners in their farms and ambiguous date like Q1 mean what exactly?
BingoBoingo: Your average 'Murican back country gas station has their inventory timed to a roughly 15 minute degree of precision as to when it gets replenished.
BingoBoingo: As BTC matures bullshit like, "we get new stuff sometime in this 3 month window" is going to be tolerated less and less
BingoBoingo: Also I imagine muppets who would have happily piled onto AM last year are now throwing their money away at Cex.io
BingoBoingo: I mean Cex.io has a website, it's .io just like inputs, what could go wrong?
Ademan: BingoBoingo: Well if invetors thought a 3 month window was BS, why the price increase in the first place? Pure speculation?
Apocalyptic: <BingoBoingo> As BTC matures bullshit like, "we get new stuff sometime in this 3 month window" is going to be tolerated less and less // I sometimes wonder why it's even tolerated now
Ademan: Aren't products delayed by months constantly in non-BTC markets too?
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It is tolerated now because still too many people haven't lost enough coin yet
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in fact, more coin has been lost so far than will be lost in the future i bet.
BingoBoingo: Ademan: Products being sold generally aren't delayed by months. The new cars of the new model year reliably arrive sometime in the summer.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't take the other side of that bet.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu thats just cause its worth so god damn much.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the choice practically is either get gypped (the cars example) or get gypped (the miners example).
mircea_popescu: of course cars for the new model year arrive reliably. you're paying a lot more than what they're worth.
BingoBoingo: Or... you know do the store of value thing.
Ademan: BingoBoingo: Cars aren't a create comparison though, cars are all made by a small number of enormous players.
mircea_popescu: scams also arrive reliably every few months, for the same reason
BingoBoingo: Tomorrow to breath new life into my motor carriage I plan to let it idle in the drive way until the check engine light disappears because sensor crud has been cooked.
BingoBoingo: Ademan: And how many people seriously make BTC ASIC?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nobody that owns their own foundry. how do you think the car market would look if they had to beg aluminum siding producers for freebie runs /
BingoBoingo: How many people run foundries BTC ASIC makers use to cook chips
Ademan: BingoBoingo: I guess the number doesn't matter so much, my real point was car companies are HUGE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly like all strippers hooking on the side take btc.
mircea_popescu: it would make sense for them to, yes. ain't happening irl.
Ademan: BingoBoingo: More or less what I was saying (and may be wrong about) is that industries with market caps of similar size to BTC ASICs probably have similarly bad delays/timelines and/or shove shit out the door prematurely to meet said deadlines
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know a couple people running foundries for dirt track stock cars who work on that model. They aren't doing bad, but they do much better than they were when they were bagging groceries and corpses (apparetly people into dirt track racing find getting an EMT cert attractive until they do the EMT thing for real)
mircea_popescu: if people were this entreprenorial i'd probably be married.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cocaine has been around for centuries. this matters.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to say "any large group of highschool girls contains some that aren't virgins"
mircea_popescu: it's another to say "any large group of highschool girls contains some that are shaved", especially if it's 1880 and shaving has just been invented.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well they have to conform to the racing season so they produce on a stricter schedule than say Ford. Then again cottage industry and the inefficiencies that come with such a thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00480049 = 0.3408 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Obama with Cash for Clunkers did more damage to their industry than any single thing other than the development of fuel injection
Ademan: BingoBoingo: fuel injection damaged the auto industry?
BingoBoingo: A shit Caprice used to sell to the scrapper for $50 or them for $500. Now the same shit Caprice can't sell to the scapper because it goes to them for $2500
Ademan: used car prices are bullshit right now, that's for sure
BingoBoingo: Ademan: It damaged certain recreational auto industries.
Ademan: mircea_popescu: good or bad?
mircea_popescu: you can get something that'll run for as low as 2-300 euros.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02600082 = 0.312 BTC [-] {2}
Ademan: you can do that here, but it'd probably only run for a month heh, and you'd have to know the person
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00480001 = 0.8448 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: a ? i was under the impression there's no bottom in the us.
Ademan: and it might kill you in a fender bender
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well in the example of the Caprices it is for cars which will likely meet their end the first time in competition (body on frame construction is essential in a demolition derby)
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> you can get something that'll run for as low as 2-300 euros. // in Romania maybe
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yes, if you drive the extra 500 miles to the ukraine you can prolly get it even cheaper >D
dub: i sold a car for ~300 eur worth last month
pizzaman1337: I'm pretty sure it's just "Ukraine", not "the Ukraine"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 91 @ 0.00299919 = 0.2729 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: pizzaman1337: "The" is even more essential to Ukraine than Ohio State (Ohio being a bubbling shitpit)
Ademan: (actually not bad cars)
dub: needed a new master cylinder
dub: otherwise worked fine I just didnt want it
nubbins`: “It doesn’t have the standing of a government.”
dub: only another 250-300 eur to make it a 1000 eur car but couldnt be fucked
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's instructive tho. according to dimon, the only marketable value of jpm is that it's a hand puppet of the usg.
mircea_popescu: this obviously is logically equivalent to saying jpm is bankrupt.
nubbins`: “It’s a terrible store of value. It could be replicated over and over,”
nubbins`: ^ you seriously couldn't have asked for a better quip
BingoBoingo: Things I would do if I had a time machine: Buy the Imperial, Mine bitcoins in '09, hire a stable of girls to drive the Imperial around while I ride godfather in the back seat.
jurov: my friends only buy used cars in belgium or so
jurov: because all around here they have fake odometers
BingoBoingo: jurov: That is why you ring a stethescope when you go car shopping.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Nah, you treat the odometer as irrelevant
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00299919 = 0.2999 BTC [+]
jurov: even completely flooded cars are cleaned and sold.. you say it can be detected by stethoscope?
Ademan: anyone in here own NEOBEE? It sounded interesting but I couldn't be arsed to do my due dilligence, so I've stayed out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 212 @ 0.00299919 = 0.6358 BTC [+]
nubbins`: Ademan: if generating magazine/newspaper articles was their business, they'd be the most successful btc venture ever
jurov: nubbins`: don't forget 3d models of branches and HQ
kakobrekla: i saw they are speaking in the conf that is happening now in miami or smth
BingoBoingo: jurov: My first car was a flood recovery, ran great. Second car a used rental, runs disappointing but was never in a flood
Ademan: Who do I petition to keep my name out of that hall of shame?
Apocalyptic: <jurov> because all around here they have fake odometers // so true
pankkake: maybe it's a too big to fail thing
nubbins`: so wait, there's a fucking chess tournament on the go in here now?
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> Ademan: if generating magazine/newspaper articles was their business, they'd be the most successful btc venture ever << ouch.
nubbins`: mp, i have occasional moments of lucidity
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You are included by Mircea's decree
truffles: i play tired u can play drunk!
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Just don't fall for truffle's need for speed
nubbins`: bingo, i live life at my own pace
truffles: i told him its inchat play whenever he's ready, he's forever not ready :p
nubbins`: okay, choose heads or tails and we'll get gribs to ;;flip a coin
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: lemme set up a board and I can play
nubbins`: i think this means loss by forfeit
nubbins`: truffles: same thing i do every day, hustliong
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this beats all : btctalk removed noobie restrictions
nubbins`: do you get VIP status if you pay to unban yourself enough times?
nubbins`: not as rich as thermos, but still rich
ozbot: End of newbie restrictions; ban changes
nubbins`: wait, are you supposed to call him thermos when he makes good decisions or bad ones?
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, just call it thermos all the time
mircea_popescu: all the shill masters were wasting too much time trying to get more accounts in.
nubbins`: "These IP bans apply only to registration: you can no longer get caught by random IP bans if you're using an established account."
nubbins`: well that takes the wind out of it
nubbins`: oh cool, i'm a "Sr. Member" now
kakobrekla: sounds something like bitbet is missing.
nubbins`: kakobrekla, ban diceroll should take place after a wager is sent
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, i'm much too hairy to feel like a penis
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is that "i level cunts", "level one cunts" or what ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've always read it as I love cunts
mircea_popescu: jurov you ever been in bed with a girl ? her damned thing might as well be made of lava.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0052886 = 0.1851 BTC [+]
gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 53 minutes and 13 seconds ago: <benkay> mpoe at all time high while btc kisses 1k again
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Including the vowel for love would have been too computing expensive. I decided a misreading of I level cunts was acceptable.
nubbins`: ;;later tell benkay no thermolith but we can do raised ink via overprinting
truffles: my day started a looong time ago
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: So I found all of the pieces, you up for a game?
truffles: tomorrow night after i take 5hrs to play nubbins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0052886 = 0.4231 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: truffles: How long do you think on of Carlsen's typical games takes?
truffles: im not on his level nor are u : D
BingoBoingo: truffles: Neither of us could even comprehend his level of play if all we did were fucking speed games either
truffles: well i gave u the chance with non timed, u took forever, now thats done
nubbins`: it really is amazing how much nicer a coat of varnish makes plywood look
BingoBoingo: truffles: I thought on of our games took days plural because I passed out from drinking...
truffles: shoulda thought about that when u agreed to playing!
BingoBoingo: Well, Since the tournament started I beat you and lost to Namworld
nubbins`: whenever i see "u", i pronounce it in my head as "ooo"
BingoBoingo: truffles: Well, you took forever to fall out of yo mamma's cunt
BingoBoingo: Ademan: I truffles case I imagine spiderwebs
truffles: here i thought u were just a slow old man pfff
nubbins`: raise your hand if you're under 30
gribble: Error: "hand" is not a valid command.
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
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nubbins`: you young people are in such a rush all the tiume
nubbins`: like you're not gonna be able to get all the shit done
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well, I will say I am 2-4 years younger than asciilifeform
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.0052886 = 0.4337 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: 37 would be too far past the prime of his life to have started loper and hope he could finish
nubbins`: i'm celebrating 32 this time next week
nubbins`: bothers me when people say "oh, x is too old to do y"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50999788 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.0052886 = 1.5866 BTC [-]
nubbins`: unless you want to be a gymnast
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: No, that's how math works. If you don't publish a brilliance by 30 you are too old
kakobrekla: nubbins` you are too young to say that!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50999788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10044 @ 0.00100065 = 10.0505 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Error: "flip" is not a valid command.
Ademan: BingoBoingo: like "you never will" ? Surely there are tons of papers published by older folks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13961 @ 0.00099918 = 13.9496 BTC [-]
Ademan: you nerds are playing pretty quickly
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Actually tonight I'm drinking vodka and ice cubes
nubbins`: kakobrekla: and i'm drinking pineapple kush
Ademan: nubbins`: it's this little candy, they're delicious
BingoBoingo: Ademan: It's the opening at this point most of us are following a book in out heads
truffles: thats faster than Boingo plays on the website, such b.s.
nubbins`: kakobrekla: no sweat, i've got mad cotton now
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: heh, let's just tuck those aside
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Cotton Pickin
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well you know who to blame for contaminating "urban" dictionary
Ademan: it's reasonably common in the midwest as far as I know
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50999789 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nanotube should add chess to gribble, have it beat the shit out of all of you
nubbins`: would ruin every channel in which it was enabled
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, provided he uses fruit or whatever that fish is as the engine
KRS1: dayum thats some bait
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, if he implements Houdini we're done
Apocalyptic: it's what people like Carlsen use to analyse games
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: When did Houdini become a thing. Seems poor to name a chess engine after a guy who couldn't escape handcuffs.
Apocalyptic: Houdini's tactical play is impressive for a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 609 @ 0.0052886 = 3.2208 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Maybe I'll set up Rybka in wine later. And find out what Houdini is. All I know is Rybka got disqualified from computer chess championships for GPL violations
truffles: how do u throw ur queen away like that dayum
BingoBoingo: diametric might have offered the best bashed quote
BingoBoingo: "diametric: i wonder if I can make money body scanning people and printing them into onto cocks that I can cast with food safe silicone and make edible dickheads."
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, up for a game after you finish this one ?
BingoBoingo: Gotta finish this methol before the next move though
pankkake: there's a trick to avoid powering it off when you remove the plug?
ozbot: Mouse Jiggler | CRU
truffles: i thought id be asleep by now, if ure around in a hr Apocalyptic gameon!
kakobrekla: i have my own ups to make things easier for them
nubbins`: that gets funnier the more i think about it
ozbot: SanDisk announces ULLtra DIMMS: Terabytes of low-latency flash storage directly off the RAM channel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00480095 = 0.2112 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: i think you can actually just say xg5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00480001 = 0.3984 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: prevents some artifacts of truffles games where he isn't clear on where pieces are
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well I fixed your doubled pawns problem, so... Maybe a thank you is in order?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.53499999 = 2.675 BTC [+] {2}
diametric: oh cool tigerdirect takes bitcoin now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12580 @ 0.00100316 = 12.6198 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.05499998 = 0.55 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You did have the chance to take a rook for a bishop, but you decided to fork my rooks and lose a tempo without material gain
truffles: i think when he moved queen into knight crosshairs it was downhill
dub: yeah mpoe scamming over 0.001
truffles: wow u couldve taken queen with bishop on e6!
truffles: how lucid are u right now though
BingoBoingo: truffles: Queen wouldn't have went to where it could have been taken by the bishop on e6
nubbins`: would have given me a few more breaths, but it was a losing battle
BingoBoingo: I need to go to the garage and smoke me some tobbacy
BingoBoingo: nubbins` is always a good game, fights hard and honestly
truffles: u both played like u were high :D
BingoBoingo: The free queen wasn't where the loss happened though, the lost tempo to fork the rooks was
BingoBoingo: truffles: I though we discussed this. He's high and I'm drunk.
BingoBoingo: We might need two new IRC bots. We get Rybka and rig it up to a bot named Hal. We get fucking Sargon from the 80's and rig it up to a bot we name Dave
BingoBoingo: There would only be about a 1300 point difference between the bots in Elo rating.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Lemme finish this cig and set up the board again
gribble: Error: "tails" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: Work hard in my field, bring the cotton out to be sold
nubbins`: 1. e4, take your time, i'm going to gather a snack
kakobrekla: btw there are some bots that assist with this shit over irc
kakobrekla: if someone wants to run one ill allow it here
BingoBoingo: Eh, relying on my well pickled liver is more fun though
BingoBoingo: Making Dave might be a fun project though. Dunno how I'm going to get Apple II machine code to talk to a modern IRC bot.
BingoBoingo: I only have a 800 some elo rating in over the board play so I don't think there would be a demand for Hal yet in this chan
truffles: clearly i needed another hr :D
nubbins`: i actually didn't realize he had moved
truffles: refering to Boingo playing vs u
nubbins`: first game was almost exactly an hour
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Like I tell truffles G/30 is like the perfect time control
truffles: i blame this rich ppl reality show, its killing the brain cells heh
BingoBoingo: truffles: Which show? Don't be dissing my Appalacian Outlaws...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 597 @ 0.003 = 1.791 BTC [+]
truffles: i was like u know what let me just check it out, see how it goes
truffles: 21 mins in, im wondering why they seem to lead boring lives
BingoBoingo: Ginseng is like the closest natural thing in the world to Bitcoin
nubbins`: i went to a ginseng museum once
nubbins`: i'll never unsee some of those ginseng roots
BingoBoingo: Ademan: Well it is an endangered species, but it is still tradeable. Hillbillies kill each other over the shit.
BingoBoingo: Takes 5-10 years minimum to ggrow to a marketable size.
truffles: being poor and no fun is one thing but rich n no funhmmm
BingoBoingo: truffles: Well if you aren't having fun maybe fuck moar?
BingoBoingo: I dunno how to explain this truffles but have you ever fucked before. That activity is awfully fun
truffles: one can enjoy the moment yet not want to do that 24-7
BingoBoingo: truffles: Try quite a bit older than viagra. Viagra was a revolution because... well what does *ject imply...
truffles: thank goodness i dont know ppl that peerpressure me to go on it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11341 @ 0.0010037 = 11.383 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9659 @ 0.00100509 = 9.7082 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: truffles: I've heard rumors that coinrx.com is reliable if you need a little help in that area...
truffles: i dont need any help for any areas ;-)
KRS1: is she a sistah cant tell
KRS1: i'd go black fo dat
truffles: i feel like i can see makeup on the boobs
ozbot: Introducing Ethereum - YouTube
Duffer1: ^ Stephen Hawkings voice performer
truffles: whatever this one is wearing is so distracting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.0048 = 0.4368 BTC [-] {2}
truffles: why doesnt he get to the point :(
Duffer1: "the ethereum team... senior software developers, people who work for Goldmann Sachs, very old/young entrepreneurs..."
BingoBoingo: truffles: Well corticosteriods, you know the kind that makes bones brittle and atrophy muscles to end careers
BingoBoingo: Sure they get a player through one more game, but look at Carlos Beltran at the end of the season
truffles: sounds like that "idea" deadweasel proposed
BingoBoingo: Anyways, there is a reason that ADHD is more a more common diagnosis among baseball players than it is among any other profession and that is amphetimines are the ultimate PED in Baseball
Apocalyptic: this is murica: interrupting a congressman for bieber
ozbot: MSNBC interrupts Congresswoman for report on Justin Bieber - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [-]
ozbot: Camp Bitcoin: The Burning Man camp for the Bitcoin and crypto-currency industry
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 141 @ 0.00408598 = 0.5761 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30608 @ 0.00100008 = 30.6104 BTC [-]
Duffer1: some kind of protocol layer
BingoBoingo: Oh, looky Blues beat the Rangers and an incoming transaction suggests I will not become a scamzor at the end of this tournament
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4
nubbins`: kinda forgot about your bishop
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I future games you willingness to hang your Queen might be a strength though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51 = 2.55 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23839 @ 0.00099918 = 23.8195 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02819998 = 0.2256 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02826665 = 0.2544 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.02872595 = 0.4022 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.003 = 0.324 BTC [+]
KRS1: A moment of silence for bait.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00099673 = 7.5751 BTC [-]
the20year1: After talkign to havelock today it looks like we may be live there mid next week
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00099474 = 23.5753 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: the20year: Sounds like famous last words. Buying out the objecting shareholders and giving MPEX one more instrument for shorting BTC/Fiat may have been more lucrative.
the20year1: buying out objecting RS shareholders so I could get cleared to list on mpex?
the20year1: just trying to understand what you were saying.
BingoBoingo: the20year: You have been following this saga more closely than I have.
the20year1: I'd love to list on mpex, but at $21k+ to do it, i can't justify at this point yet
benkay: why didn't you ask for a broker?
BingoBoingo: the20year: Well, maybe if you picked a locale other than the bubbling shitpit otherwise refered to as Ohio to work out of.
the20year1: Ohio is a fantastic place to work out of
Duffer1: Ukyo to Kslaughter: "How is it you have an account with 38btc that is not ActM that you are linking into this?
Duffer1: How many more accounts exactly did you create for trading on BitFunder than the handful I know of?
Duffer1: I suppose I will have to do a more in depth search on all of you ip addresses, linked accounts and addresses."
the20year1: the issue is if I can raise 2000btc on HL, which is our goal, whether i absolutely need mpex too
BingoBoingo: the20year: If you are just looking for cheapness of property why not Forgotonia?
benkay: no the real question is whether your operation can survive the next faux-change implosion.
the20year1: i'm looking for returns and price stability over the past 20 years
BingoBoingo: the20year: You also have flammable rivers...
BingoBoingo: the20year: Some things stay on your permanent record...
the20year1: I could buy property in orlando, indy, philly, atlanta that would meet my criteria, but it would require my family to relocate, and the yields aren't any better
the20year1: So , if I could build a 3-5m portfolio here, with enough contacts to leverage then go somewhere else, in my opinion it would be better
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.003 = 0.438 BTC [+]
the20year1: I can't cashflow in Oregon, only develop properties and that requires more capital than I have access to
the20year1: *Can't cashflow in oregon with rentals
BingoBoingo: the20year: I know a couple people buying neighborhoods in North StL and converting it to farmland. As long as you avoid the old radioactive Mallinkrodt sites it sounds lucrative
the20year1: that can be done, but if i'm gonna buy land i'm gonna buy timber
the20year1: Timber is a much easier game, very few are buying small parcel timberlands in my area, you can do quite well doing botique woods
the20year1: The best way I've figured to do it would be to buy specialized parcels with rare-ish hardwoods (Old growth oak, maple, ect) , hiring Amish to bandsaw it, make into floors, then truck it to oregon, california and washington to sell
benkay: here's an odd hustle to run: acorn flour
the20year1: that's a fantastic hussle, there's a guy locally doing oragnic acorn fed hogs and exporting to europe for $100/kg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0498 = 0.1992 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: On an old stand of oak, the best bet might be to plant ginseng and sell it to China in five years.
Ukyo: Duffer1: reading my post i see
the20year1: but if I try I can find old growth timber for ~$1000/ac
Ukyo: I decided to send ken a pm with a potential solution
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the20year1: one good tree on that acre will more than pay for 5 additional acres
Duffer1: got sidetracked, i haven't finished it yet, i haven't been keeping up with all the drama though
the20year1: I didn't realize you were here too Ukyo
Ukyo: BingoBoingo: doesnt matter, everoyne already has me at -100
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Ukyo: the20year: I have been here for years :)
Ukyo: dont have time to talk anwhere nowdays
Ukyo: this has been a very exciting week
Duffer1: can you talk about the circumstances of the the closure yet ukyo?
Ukyo: even btct has not discussed theirs
Ukyo: and they closed months before
BingoBoingo: Well BTCTC closure basically amounts to Labcoin it seems
Duffer1: well they announced shutdown 3 days after posting a warning on the labcoin security page...
Namworld: But BTC doesn't really need to since they paid out everyone. Could have been just because they were tired of doing it and it would be fine.
BingoBoingo: Oh, we are going to end it this way... Rg8
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You are never anything if not sporting. I hope you whoop the shit out of truffles and Namworld
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
Ukyo: BingoBoingo: I am fairly certin (90%) btct did not close because of labcoin :)
BingoBoingo: Ukyo: And I'm pretty sure Goat has shilled a venture that hasn't completely collapsed yet.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Is he still defending Garr and Cognitive or did he pump his way to a gain on that already
altkoin: is goat the guy who promoted the pirate40 scam to everyone?
kakobrekla: >In this case I'm more shocked at all the buyers of the stack rather than Garr. However I do hope Garr lists it soon. This is information we need.
Duffer1: i believe he ran a passthrough of the pirate mess
Duffer1: but don't quote me on that, it was before my time
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Goat is a "momentum trader" he negs stuff, buys it, and then promotes it until he can sell for a profit.
BingoBoingo: Apparently Goat's reputation in straight up trades is impecable, but he has no qualms about pumping shit to make a buck.
altkoin: yea so he doesnt rip you off directly, just uses more sophisticated methods
BingoBoingo: If Goat is offering a straight up trade of X for Y he's probably good for his word.
altkoin: that makes someone good for their word?
BingoBoingo: If he says Z venture seems to have a future though, get out the astroglide.
altkoin: goat makes a "trade" as long as hes gaining, any time hed have to take a loss hell just reneg any agreement like all the other scumbags do
BingoBoingo: altkoin: It is the situation where he doesn't want to wear the mud. I seems like be honors straight up trades. He shills the hell out of any scam he is holding the bucket on though.
BingoBoingo: It isn't a classic scam so much as scamming by proxy.
BingoBoingo: Huh, Handle of Vodka, Why do you have so little magic juice left in you?
KRS1: wow so many people saying bitcoin is dead now and doge is successor
KRS1: my god its everywhere
BingoBoingo: KRS1: Doge can't kill BTC. Might mortally wound LTC though.
KRS1: yes i think we already see some wounding
KRS1: im shorting litecoin like a midget yo
altkoin: krs1 um bitcoin is like 92% of total crypto market cap that ratio has been pretty steady for over a year now
BingoBoingo: Maybe meme up a non-merged mined SHA-256 coin and you can injure BTC
altkoin: any gains that doge makes is at the expense of anotehr alt coin
KRS1: altkoin i know, im just amazed at the ignorance
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BingoBoingo: altkoin: I don't want to offer any spoilers, but I reccommend you check your numbers.
altkoin: bingobingo: thats impossible.
altkoin: it doesnt matter if a meme sha256 coin comes out
altkoin: bingoboingo: what numbers? most of doge coin trading is classic painting the tape.
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Sometimes, when you present an error, to get a correct answer you either have to pay or wait for a lower bidder.
altkoin: that ratio has been the same for a year
altkoin: bingobooingo: lol doge coin can only be traded in and out of btc. the "volumes" is large holders trading with themselves. classic painting the tape
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Sure Doge is that, but most of LTC is too.
the20year1: bitcoin isn't nearly as fun, and everyone loves doges
BingoBoingo: I'm wondering about you 92% altkoin and know there is better sourcing for numbers
altkoin: kakobrekla your counting unminable coins like ripple
altkoin: which have bullshit market caps
altkoin: right because ripple has a 2bil market cap with 90% of them held by 5 people
BingoBoingo: The right way to compare market caps of cryptocoins is comparing difficulties.
kakobrekla: shut the fuck up is very strong argument
BingoBoingo: Because if scrypt coins were worth that much motherfuckers would be soldering some GDDR5 on some fucking FPGAs
KRS1: lol i cant understand your reasoning and idk wtf i'm saying so stfu
altkoin: ;;calc (100/10800665755)*9918068776
altkoin: claiming bitcoin will be debased via alt coins is like claiming yahoo debases google
altkoin: bitcoin will lose market cap to alt coin pool simply because of its large size.
altkoin: and im sure more creative altcoins will appear
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Marissa Mayer. Yahoo totally debases Google, or is it Facebook?
altkoin: bitcoin cant be used as a form of money until theres a bills market established
Ukyo: hmm, whys btc price falling
BingoBoingo: altkoin: I wonder do you put your dick in the faucet at night and report to your friends the next day that you got your dick wet?
kakobrekla: cause sometimes it goes up, sometimes it goes down and sometimes its just flat
Ukyo: kakobrekla: hah. I prefer a nice 36c :P
altkoin: ukyo: um someone needs fiat?
the20year1: i just wish the gox/cb gap wasn't so huge
altkoin: gox has no money why wouldnt it be huge?
altkoin: gox has like 80cents backing every $1 in peoples accounts
BingoBoingo: Here's the heirarchy of BTC-fiat exchanges: OTC, two cans and a string, Bitstamp, Gox, failbase
altkoin: its a lengthy Q&A session to make a withdrawl
altkoin: im confused to why bitstamp doesnt deal in euros?
BingoBoingo: I'd sell you fiat for your BTC altkoin if you weren't such a square
altkoin: you know the btc exchanges comply with none existant rules. ive traded with traditional brokers and theres never been Q&A sessions over fking money withdrawls
altkoin: these basement operations think their wallstreet firms
kakobrekla: nejc just needs some moar gas for his tesla, so he makes you answer more questions
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Of course everyone knows. Wy do you think BTC exchanges have such thin volumes.
kakobrekla: the problem is every single exchange is run by webdev
altkoin: btce was the only decent exchange because they didnt give a fk about compliance retards
altkoin: yea thats true too kakobrekla
altkoin: funny how btce became number 1 lol
BingoBoingo: Instead of trading on two cans and a sting exchanges real people meet in the lobby of the airport hilton and trade suitcases of either bills or blow for btc
altkoin: the exchanges are run by nerds
punkman1: someone is running the exchanges? I thought it was wildlife passing through the computer room
altkoin: at the end of the day all bitcoin will do is make 0.5% of its users filthy rich and impoverish everyone else
altkoin: well yea thats why it implodes at some point
kakobrekla: anyway, be careful with strings and cans, one might get choked or cut yourself on the edge
Duffer1: i believe that will be the function of assholes, and not bitcoin itself altkoin
altkoin: people are trying to solve moral issues with technology
altkoin: duffer1: bitcoin makes it ultra easy to manipulate people into giving up their money.
altkoin: you just prey on their vices.
Duffer1: assholes are REALLY good at manipulating people into giving up pretty much everything
altkoin: bingobingo: bitcoin solves technical issues, used the wrong way it will impoverish majority of its users(already happening)
Duffer1: that's not a failing of bitcoin though
BingoBoingo: altkoin: What is wrong with impoverishing people who shouldn't have been rich in the first place?
Duffer1: or at least, something that is absolutely in no way unique to bitcoin
altkoin: well bitcoin is technically superior just like the internet was technically superior, and most internet users waste time on it, hence why innovation in the "internet age" has been completely stagnant, the internet generation will grow up to be one of the poorest on record(at least in the west). despite promises of utopia.
Duffer1: it sounds like you're blaming in the internet..
altkoin: same thing will occur with btc. youll have 0.5% ultra rich and everyone else trading in fractions of a satoshi
altkoin: kakobrekla: agreed but the technical superiority of the internet and bitcoin just bring out the efficiency of that stupidity to a new level.
kakobrekla: you try to make it sound like its a bad thing
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Well tell that to Upton SInclair who though people would be ashamed at eating fellow people while people instead just ended up being nauseus
Duffer1: i thought it was modern banking practices that did that altkoin...
altkoin: the internet age has been nothing but a disaster, history will look back at another failed attempt at utopia.
kakobrekla: altkoin just start the church of feathercoin and god be with you
Duffer1: so you are blaming the internet?
punkman1: altkoin: utopia's are not meant to actually exist, it's always a failed attempt
altkoin: duffer1: no what im saying is improved technology used the wrong way causes immense damage and we have plenty of evidence of that. nuclear energy did what? cause the world 70 years of living in fear etc.
kakobrekla: why dont you give out your coin to the poorest
altkoin: the internet "generation" is dirt poor, unemployed and filled with wrong ideas.
Duffer1: so you're blaming technology?
altkoin: duffer1: no people turned technology into a god, technology can only solve technical issues it cant solve a crisis of morality, if you have no morality you cant have reason, if you dont have reason your guided entirely by passions, emotions, lusts.
altkoin: it makes it easy to control people.
BingoBoingo: For some reason I have a feeling that altkoin is nevar making slashdot
Duffer1: so people are shitbags to eachother and bitcoin/internet just compounds the effects of their shitbaggery?
kakobrekla: no, we are on the edge of technology here punkman1 , offset would be too much to handle
punkman1: kakobrekla: can I make an IPO for building assbot's offset?
BingoBoingo: the20year: Are you a grad of THE Ohio State University?
Duffer1: isn't that somewhat of a good thing though?
altkoin: duffer1: it makes it even worse. hence why the economies are blowing up in the utopian internet age.
kakobrekla: Duffer1 i think what altkoin is saying is he needs his parental filter turned back on
Duffer1: i would propose the idea to you that such activity speeds up the evolution of "thought"
the20year1: i know quite a few grads though, everyone does
Duffer1: and maybe even culture and morality
BingoBoingo: the20year: Ah, just wondering if you'd be Jealous that Oklahomo State gets to go by OSU in the tickers while Ohio States goes by Bubbling shitpit with flammable rivers
Duffer1: economies have died time and again long before the internet
BingoBoingo: For srs, Ohio makes Somalia look like Paradise
the20year1: depends on the part :D Dayton and cleveland have some pretty terrible neighborhoods
the20year1: But columbus is pretty nice, even the really bad areas (Linden, hilltop, southgate) aren't bad compared to the bad spots of somewhere like Cleveland
Duffer1: if it turns out to be true that such turnover is occurring at faster intervals, i'd say that's a net positive
BingoBoingo: the20year: That's the point. THe worst you can point to is "pretty terrible" or "pretty nice" You can't point to abjectly terrible or stunningly wonderful places in Ohio. Because Ohio is a bubbling shitpit.
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altkoin: ohio is cheap to live in no?
altkoin: problem in those areas was the WASPs imported the blacks from the south during ww2 and then dumped them into the european-catholic neighbourhoods to wreak havoc thinking they could kill 2 birds with 1 stone
Duffer1: the20 is rental starter rental only or is property flipping something you'll be doing as well?
BingoBoingo: Even MIssouri which is a Homophone for misery can point to places worse than Somalia, like the parts of North Saint Louis without the Poles in control. Misery can also point to the absolutely heavenly places like Bush stadium. And oh shit, you can walk to both places within an hour.
the20year1: We'll look at flipping when it makes sense
the20year1: There are plenty of great areas of Ohio , the area I'm located in is fantastic in my opinion. Very low crime rate overall, property prices are low - I can buy 6,000 finished square feet for under $200k
altkoin: pennsylvania and ohio have a nice landscape
the20year1: Alot of areas, $200k won't buy you a 1 bedroom apartment or condo, but here it can buy a castle
BingoBoingo: Low crime rate isn't an absolute plus though. Could simply imply police state and the stazi oppress too much.
altkoin: 200k doesnt even buy a decent sports car these days
the20year1: and you're not packed in like sardines with a million other people
the20year1: BingoBoingo: very little police presence where I'm at
Duffer1: pretty sure the r8 is under 200k
altkoin: the20yearl: right but theres nothing to do either
altkoin: duffer1: glorified volkswagen
the20year1: Depends if you want to get in your car and drive for 30 minutes to go do something
altkoin: the20year1: yea and go to TGIFs lol
the20year1: If you're ok with that, you can be in the arena district of Columbus which has just about anything you'd want
BingoBoingo: the20year: Well grand theft auto style complete lack of police can lead to an absence of recorded crime as well.
the20year1: Not really, it still is very low crime, people still have teh ability to file police reports when things happen
altkoin: bingoboingo ohio is not a warzone man lol
the20year1: Everyone is free to do what they want, crime is pretty well suppressed when 10% of capable adults in your county carry a gun
altkoin: id prefer pennsylvania to ohio
the20year1: there are q uite a few areas of PA that are identical to where I'm located in Ohio
BingoBoingo: What this Ohio versus Missouri dispute boils down to though is not Crime rates. It is who was the better second baseman last year. The awesome Matt Carpenter or the cancer known as Brandon Phillips who you couldn't trade if you wanted to.
the20year1: My wife's family is from the springfield area, great land prices, lots of space
the20year1: And for me, i'm ok with trading 'stuff to do' for personal freedom
altkoin: US cities were destroyed after WW2 when the ruling wasps decided to perform social experiments, they were afraid of the catholic population becoming a majority, so when they brought blacks up from the south to work in the war factories they decided to dump them into catholic neighbourhoods ie (irish,polish,italian) to decimate them
the20year1: It's nice that I can go in the back yard at my parents house and detonate high explosives, and no one gets their panties in a bunch
altkoin: today were living in that result
BingoBoingo: Springfield Missouri kinda scares me though because the only thing to do there seems to be get raped, OD on meth, and get raped some moar
altkoin: also the explosion in interest rates in the 70's and 80's destroyed US manufacturing
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Duffer1: the20 are there any ohio aread with googlefiber?
the20year1: Out of all the factories i've talked to who have relocated, none have noted interest rates as a reason for leaving the US
the20year1: Not that i know of, but we do have fiber in my area
altkoin: theyear20: yes it was. it made it impossible for capital intensive industry to replenish
the20year1: I'm just reiterating those I've talked to who run factories who have relocated outside of the US
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Macomb and Highland Illinois are two areas with municipal fiber. Much of the Midwest that god hasn't cursed with being a shitpit like Ohio has fiber to the home.
altkoin: the20year1: you are clueless. the sky high rates made it impossible to invest into new equipment, the companies were trading at below book value so vultura capitalists using debt bought them and sold them in pieces
the20year1: Their words to me were governmental regulations and high legal costs
altkoin: the20year1: the majority of US plant closures occured in the 70's and 80's, the 90's and 2000's was just the remanents.
Duffer1: lol damn bingo, show us on the doll where the bad ohio touched you
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: The taint, because that is what Ohio is.
altkoin: the20year1: US industry ie steel, was destroyed during 70's and 80's
altkoin: the20year1: the plants your talking about were smaller scale remanents in the 90's and 2000's who got trashed by regulations
the20year1: and it had nothing to do with lower costs of manufacturing outside the US?
altkoin: it had to do with interest rates being so high it was impossible to finance new capital, so corporations began looking outside the US to make up for this and they did via low wages.
altkoin: but the initial cause of them looking was the absurdly high rates.
altkoin: rising interest rates destroy fixed capital, declining interest rates wreck intangible capital(banks)
the20year1: the high interest rates didn't last significantly long
altkoin: hence why the banking system is insolvent after 20 years of declining rates.
BingoBoingo: altkoin: If I wanted to tomorrow I could drive 30 minutes and start making manhole covers until as I lose as many fingers as grandpa did as a carpenter. 'Murica still kinda has a steel industry
altkoin: the20year1: lol they lasted long enough to destroy most US heavy industry
altkoin: the20year1: you could literally buy corporations for 25-30% book value and sell them off in pieces. thats what wallstreet did in the 80's
the20year1: The interest rates in the 60s were in the area of 6% throught the decade
altkoin: dude im talking about 70's and 80's
altkoin: when nixon went off the gold standard rates exploded
altkoin: before declining for the next 30 years to what we have now
altkoin: you realize anything past 5% its impossible to finance a project with? youll never make enough profit to service the debt. especially in heavy industry.
the20year1: By the mid 80s they dropped below 10% again
altkoin: the20year1: dude a 10 year bond was like 13%. thats UNPAYABLE on long term projects
the20year1: So then we should see a surplus of manufacturing startups with the government practically throwing loans to anyone whom want them?
altkoin: under the gold standard interest rates tended to be quite stable so US industry was able to reinvest profits
BingoBoingo: the20year altkoin: Both of you start citing some sources. Preferably motherfucking reputable sources that gave your mums a little D.
altkoin: the20year1: when interest rates drop, bank intangible capital gets destroyed. the price of a bond increases so its harder to get out of debt you need more $$ to buy back the bond.
the20year1: Like I said, i'm just stating what i've heard from people who run factories
altkoin: the20year1: 30 years of declining interest rates have left the banking system insolvent hence why we had 2008.
altkoin: what factories? tiny ass ones?
altkoin: majority of US industry began vanishing in 70's and 80's not 2000's
altkoin: drive through ohio and PA you can see all the shit from the 80's
altkoin: the remanents of US industry in the 90's and 2000's got ruined via massive regulation and litigation
altkoin: also falling interest rates allowed business's to constantly refinance lower thereby killing their competiition even if the competition was perfectly viable.
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altkoin: do you understand the problem is institutionalized usury?
the20year1: What do you consider usury? 10%, 20%? Do you want the government to set all private interest rates?
altkoin: every economy that operates on usury ends up being completely destroyed its occured dozens of time in history
altkoin: the20year1: compound interest is impossible. you will never produce enough wealth to service it.
benkay: hey guys i want to push a conspiracy theory cum trolling on the general public to hasten the end of the tyrant along the lines of 'fed is secretly direct depositing money in city coffers around the states to keep the usa "economy" ticking along - notice all the road construction? that's not fuded by tax receipts i'll tell you that right now" etc etc
benkay: best part is that it's basically true
the20year1: I still am trying to understand what point you're trying to make
altkoin: benkay: ? its probably financed via usury contracts (bonds)
benkay: see you don't even have to try with this one, people just pick it up and keep it rolling
altkoin: the fed is not direct depisitng money anywhere, they can only loan funds backed by collateral
benkay: if you're arguing with me about the actual topic you're missing the point
altkoin: QE wont work becuase the fed will run out of collateral to loan against
the20year1: they did that long ago, the real issue with QE is that everyone is racing to the bottom
altkoin: soon theyll own every treasury bond lol
altkoin: the20year1: racing to the bottom with what?
the20year1: and then teh whole world will collapse into mad max style gangs and we'll all have to just take care of ourselves
the20year1: And thankfully, since I'm in Ohio, I can take care of my self
benkay: ONWARDS BITCOIN SOLDIERS
the20year1: All I need to do is weld some AR500 to my big old 4x4 truck and i'll have my own tank
benkay: yeah i'm putting together a crazy long shot
benkay: i'll probably end up dead in an alley somewhere, stabbed for my btc
altkoin: we already had high inflation
the20year1: Go around, taking women so I can build Ohio's bigges hiram, and then a bunch of slaves to work my rentalstarter fields of gold
altkoin: the future is deflation not inflation
the20year1: and anyone that resists, i'll fire my big old pneumatic spear gun at them
the20year1: put their heads on pikes, strewn about the once-lavish parts of Columbus
benkay: dude when my cashflow stablizes i'm going to start working on hacking shotguns to fire arrows
the20year1: not only does my 4x4 have fire-arrow mounting capability, i also can quickly build trebuchets to seige my enemies
benkay: chemicals obsoleted that shit
the20year1: and i also have a garage full of concertina wire
benkay: one doesn't even need particularly advanced fab toolchain either
benkay: i am also hacking on vectored thrust drones
the20year1: i financed it all with high interest bonds
BingoBoingo: the20year: If the US decays to Mad max rules, we are both doomed. The difference between us if I can occasionally get a laugh out of the North StL mauraders which might spare my life.
the20year1: I'm surrounded by farmland, it will be easy to establish my zones of influence
benkay: i will put the children to work building garbage drones each equipped with throwaway shotgun crossbows
benkay: the mad armorer of cascadia
altkoin: europe has a higher chance of mad max then US
BingoBoingo: altkoin: And you have the highest chance of carrying an extra chromosone here
altkoin: european cities are pretty much swarming with muslim hordes, brussels is like what 50% muslim lol theres already islam no go zones.
benkay: hey assbot your responses aren't correct under load
BingoBoingo: What are these muslim hordes when they don't have a sultan to give them orders?
altkoin: marsielle france is pretty much a muslim city at this point, most dangerous in EU, they attack fire stations and police outright
kakobrekla: its how irc works benkay , not everyone sees the same. fyi i see what ass seees.
benkay: i'm also joking kakobrekla
altkoin: given the choice in a mad max id rather be in US vs EU thats for sure
the20year1: more room, more guns to protect yourself with
altkoin: in US you at least have a chance to defend yourself, you can forget that in europe
benkay: kakobrekla: didn't mean to insult you or anything, it was an oblique comment about programming on internet and bosses
altkoin: europe is a better place to be in normal times though if you are rich
altkoin: just way more interesting then america
benkay: kakobrekla: my next line was going to be 'you too, mpex proxies'
altkoin: theres tons of places in europe that are also vastly underrated
altkoin: slovakia, slovenia, croatia
altkoin: in europe if you have $$ your living much better then almost anywhere stateside
the20year1: bribe the police ,get whatever you want
altkoin: the20year1: i dont think that works anymore
altkoin: those used to be the fun days
altkoin: yea i think its still left in some of the none eu areas
BingoBoingo: If China invades 'Murica to collect what fiat they are owed I assure you it probably won't be hillbillies repelling the invasion by throwing their flags up.
altkoin: US is impossible to invade
altkoin: its too armed theres like 10 billion in ammo in private hands alone
kakobrekla: dont work in slovenia, also very hard in croatia. but bosnia, serbian, no problem.è
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altkoin: kako: are you still long all your initial btc?
BingoBoingo: altkoin: The thing is actual hard parts to invade are not the parts you probably are thinking of
kakobrekla: but im not long, that would imply im borrowing.
the20year1: US isn't a good candidate for invasion
the20year1: you'd have to invade either from Canada or Mexico
altkoin: the US is not going to face economic collapse for awhile
altkoin: its still a gigantic farm to tax
the20year1: US is a big place, smallpox might do a decent job, but it'd have to be quite effective
altkoin: the west is facing demographic collapse
altkoin: which is tied with economic collapse
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the20year1: I guess, btu there are still quite a few groups in teh US that are growing reasonably well that are high population producers - latinos and evangelical christians
altkoin: yea the US isnt as bad as europe
altkoin: europe at current rates will be a mostly muslim continent within 2 generations
altkoin: it will be a massive bosnia
the20year1: although I think they'll resort to 'traditional habbits' like genocide before it becomes a huge issue
altkoin: well im pretty sure they will just end up kicking all islam out
altkoin: theres only so much you can put up with, its been 1000 year history of islams constant invasions
altkoin: they enter a place, put up a few mosques and turn everything in a huge ghetto
BingoBoingo: altkoin: How do you think the Spanish invaded the US so successfully. It was mostly smallpox and demographic collapse.
altkoin: the spanish invaded the US?
altkoin: there was nothing in the US other then nomadic tribes wondering about
altkoin: the savagery the spanish witnessed was absolutely shocking
BingoBoingo: altkoin: You sound like a spectacularly racist nigger nao
altkoin: your talking politically correct history that is totally disconnected from reality
altkoin: there was nothing in america when europeans landed
altkoin: most of the natives were killing each other off, hence if you study US battles youll see one tribe always joins up with one of the european powers against another
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Well, explain the stands of nut trees and fruit bushes that resembled gardens through the entire eastern US by the time Squanto, The last man standing met the pilgrims.
altkoin: also the spanish were in complete shock when they saw the type of activities the inca's were engaged in
altkoin: baby killing, mass human sacrifice, demon worship etc.
altkoin: they werent some "one with nature" civilization living in a utopia
punkman1: they just wanted dat inca gold
altkoin: actually most of the new world had silver not gold
altkoin: well, less gold then they expected
altkoin: europe needs to go back to its pre enlightenment roots if it wants to survive, its been failed utopia after failed utopia in europe since the enlightment, massive wars, genocides
altkoin: inventions of concepts like race superiority
jborkl: The catholic church got so rich by being super duper nice and educating Indians
altkoin: dude most of their wealth is illiquid
altkoin: like yea go sell a fresco lol.
altkoin: the majority of church wealth was stolen by nation states and looted
altkoin: protestant reformation started the chain of events that would lead to europes collapse centuries later
altkoin: by the way the catholic church was the only one that raised the issues of native mistreatment and slavery in the new colonies.
altkoin: the kings were basically looting
BingoBoingo: Maybe everyone views history as simply as altkoin
BingoBoingo: I wonder why scandanavian culture isn't much bigger in 'Murica then.
punkman1: re: baby killing, you know people did that because they didn't want their kids to grow up as slaves?
altkoin: because america is a destroyer of cultures
altkoin: all empires are cultural vacuums
altkoin: also modern scandanavian culture is a joke. its rooted in fallacies ie relativism.
altkoin: the easiest way to tell if a culture is strong is to look at the art and music it produces, and modern art and music makes you want to puke.
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Scandanavians were the first Europeans to invade the Americas. And why weren't they successful?
altkoin: your univerisity tell you that?
altkoin: there has to be something to invade first.
altkoin: did they invade florida swamps? or new york forests?
altkoin: what cities did they attack? which roads did they use to get them there.
BingoBoingo: altkoin: The vikings tried to invade Canadia
altkoin: is landing on land invasion? lol
altkoin: like what do you mean by that
BingoBoingo: altkoin: I mean they landed in Newfoundland and were repelled by large armies of native warriors
altkoin: thats nice one warrior group vs another
BingoBoingo: Then a few centuries later the spanish land
altkoin: vikings were uncivlized brutes.
BingoBoingo: By the time the english land in Massachussets North America had been depopulated by disease
altkoin: everywhere they landed the objective was violence
Ademan: wow haha what triggered this discussion?
altkoin: bingoboingo dude how many times are you going to repeat the disease fallacy, there was nobody in north america
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00099696 = 28.6626 BTC [+] {2}
altkoin: it was nomadic tribes moving around
BingoBoingo: altkoin: You can call nearly everything a fallacy until evidence is introduced. I suggest reading moar.
altkoin: your talking modernist revised history that always puts everything bad on the european.
altkoin: north america had nothing.
BingoBoingo: Oh, no evidence other than a fuckton of dead vikinfs in canada and cities in the eastern US that suddenly collapsed due to disease
altkoin: there wasnt a single "native" city in north america
altkoin: what city did they inhabit
Ademan: What are you guys arguing? That north america can't be invaded, or that north america can't be invaded *now*?
altkoin: hes talking about how europeans invaded north america some 500 years ago or whatever
Ademan: because talking about dead vikings seems a bit tangential to discussing invading north america *now*
altkoin: and found immense native cities and civilization
altkoin: but disease killed everyone
altkoin: i mean its always something with the self hating european these days
Ademan: is that really what you guys were arguing? That sounds verifiable
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Cahokia was a city of Native Americans roughly as big as the collection of mistizos in trailers living there nao
BingoBoingo: They made dirt piles bigger than some of the pyramids
ozbot: Cahokia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
altkoin: i guess you can call that a city.
BingoBoingo: Along the Mississippi there are other numerous and less impressive cities
BingoBoingo: Also altkoin If you want to control a population and don't have pepper gas, what tool would you use. Sacrifice mounds seemed to be awfully effective...
altkoin: the majority of natives were nomads or members of complete savage "empires" engaged in mass scale human sacrifice, cannibalism, etc
BingoBoingo: altkoin: That doesn't sound very different than the Greeks or the Dagas just a few centuries earlier.
Ademan: I'm unaware of any cannibalism in north america...
Ademan: depends on where you draw the line for central america really
altkoin: duffer1 lol are you kidding me.
altkoin: human sacrifice was a staple amongst natives
BingoBoingo: When Romulus and Remus raped the Saibines, what protein were they eating?
altkoin: iroquois were notorious cannibals
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Iriqouis were the original Chis Christie New Jersey fat asses
BingoBoingo: So altkoin You have labled maybe 200 square miles of isolationists cannibals
BingoBoingo: What I wonder is how dense a person has to be to suppose that pecan trees grow in massive homogenous groves, larger than the largest ollive groves in Europe at the time
altkoin: i wonder if we are witnessing the end of the altcoins in this latest sell off
BingoBoingo: altkoin: I don't dispute that Europeans conquered North America. I dispute you supposition that North (i.e. Richest nao America) was an uninhabited wasteland
altkoin: i think the next leg up in bitcoin will not involve altcoin participation
Duffer1: bitcoin does it's own thing, altcoins do theirs
Duffer1: there will always be altcoins
altkoin: bingoboingo: when the europeans arrived it was a wasteland with nomads. i never disputed civilizations existing, but they were subsistence level based on ritual sacrfiice and slaughter, and almost none were around when europeans began colonizing north america
altkoin: cahokia was like 500 years before european contact
BingoBoingo: altkoin: You sound like the exact sort of person who the North County Cowboys would be thrilled to harvest. Scroll up to see youtube videos.
altkoin: and you sound like a self hating swede
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Well cahokia collapsed roughly 100 years after scandanavian conact...
altkoin: look how far cahokia is from newfoundland
Ademan: I scrolled up and ended up listening to da union...
altkoin: everyone from sweden hates themselves for some reason, i mean its to the point where your telling me your super great ancestors even spread a virus that wiped out a society lol
BingoBoingo: altkoin: Maybe you just work in the wrong mindset. As a native Illinoisian I am accustomed to measuring distance and time in the same units.
Ademan: I'm not swedish but I wouldn't give a shit if my ancestors spread a virus... I didn't do it...
Ademan: that's some retarded "original sin" style inherrited guilt shit
Duffer1: i guess what we really need to know is
Ademan: one of the dutch tulips strains was really awesome
BingoBoingo: Ademan: You should see my front yard in about 11.6 weeks
ozbot: Tulip breaking virus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ademan: BingoBoingo: When did you plant them?
punkman1: I planted a bougainvillea yesterday
BingoBoingo: altkoin: You sound like the sort of self censoring mother fucker who would rather imagine North America was completely uninhabited (though how did the Incas and Aztecs get to their ruins) than suppose an ancestor of yours might have ever killed a motherfucker for their land
altkoin: your the one using words like "invasion"
Ademan: these guys actually have good trigger discipline... is that gangsta?
altkoin: they never had any land to begin with
altkoin: it was nomadic tribes. land becomes yours when you add value to it
altkoin: you cant claim large swaths of land lol thats absurd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25196 @ 0.00099501 = 25.0703 BTC [-] {2}
altkoin: land by itself is useless, it needs human labor for value to be created
Ademan: but then they said "clip"
altkoin: thats the "price" you pay for it.
Ademan: that's a hell of a banana "clip" though
BingoBoingo: Ademan: Yeah, if 'Murica collapses they will own all of your shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02618075 = 0.5236 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: altcoin There are still permanent structures native Americans left.
Ademan: BingoBoingo: luckily they're not near me :-)
Ademan: and also the stereotype of gang bangers not being able to hit jack shit is true in my experience at the range (maybe the rest are so good they don't go to the range?)
BingoBoingo: Ademan: Well, the official position of the StL pd is cointainment rather than confrontation.
ozbot: Introducing Ethereum - YouTube
BingoBoingo: altkoin: I just dunno what mistaken presupositions you might have that suggest the horrible NE USA was cultivated in such a hospitible manner.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37848 @ 0.0009933 = 37.5944 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00099459 = 23.7707 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00308633 = 0.1327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00099257 = 14.6404 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05499883 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.46155001 = 4.6155 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.52739874 = 5.274 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53999998 = 1.62 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.005 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003075 = 0.1538 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.005 = 0.165 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7954 @ 0.00099575 = 7.9202 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Rectaltronics Inc. Home Page
jurov: what, custom-made buttplugs?
jurov: and dat log again....funny muricans think they have worse police state than ukraine and worse neighborhoods than somalia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00308418 = 0.4626 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: even that nuclear power discussion fail
jurov: 1. atomic bomb gets invented
jurov: 2. nuclear power get invented
jurov: 3. nuclear power is adapted to make moar bombs
jurov: 4. nuclear power is blamed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.47050202 = 5.646 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00308949 = 1.8537 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00099146 = 40.8482 BTC [-] {3}
simlay: I wonder if Rectaltronics makes dynamic buttplugs.
simlay: Or if that's a legitimate thing.
simlay: I should write a patent.
punkman1: "The patented Rectaltronic Stereophonic effect is a key part of every Rectaltonics butt-plug sold. Utilizing microprocessor technology to provide patented waveform control of the oscillation units, a unique surround feeling (not unlike Sensurround(tm)) is generated upon insertion an activation of the butt-plug."
simlay: Yeah, I thought of an idea that was to do Machine learning on sex toys.
simlay: haha. That makes it much better.
simlay: does not seem like the place to make buttplugs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.48 = 6.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00309 = 0.3986 BTC [+]
TomYum_: OP: I have a question about sending traffic as an affiliate. Are you online to answer?
TomYum_: Can I send traffic to main page for credit or need to be link to specific bet?
BingoBoingo: TomYum_: I am a SLashot champion I know about much traffic, much victory
BingoBoingo: TomYum_: It sounds liek you actually don't need a link you annoy anough already
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00309 = 1.236 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I offer 0.0005 BTC for completing this task.
BingoBoingo: TomYum_: If that offer is too poor for you write ROADHOUSE on your body and learn how to be a moar polite bitch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00309201 = 0.2628 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79332 @ 0.00099686 = 79.0829 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Sharpie was it mentioned or merely implyied
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6668 @ 0.00099901 = 6.6614 BTC [+]
Duffer1: no i meant you usually offer extra for marker in the cornhole
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: No. I usually offer a bitof pittance for people who put a sharpie in their pooper for the pittance they offer.
dub: sharpie is murican for marker
BingoBoingo: Since there is no such thing as a pittance in BTC anymoar I am no longer encouraging mother fuckers to rape their mums.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 231 @ 0.00483256 = 1.1163 BTC [-] {10}
BingoBoingo: BTW, I am offering 1BTC for a hammer if with that hammer you can provide Trade Fortress's warm body
Duffer1: did they never find TF? i haven't been following that
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: There are strong leads on that case, but best as I can tell TF might as well be the sluggards who declared themselves TF's worst enemies.
punkman1: "Google Glass-wearing movie patron questioned by Homeland Security agents as potential pirate"
punkman1: I don't even need comedy anymore, news headlines do just fine
punkman1: "Google patents ad-powered taxi service that would offer free rides to shoppers. Advertisers would pay for your transportation in the hope that you buy something."
BingoBoingo: Some people are trying to keep descendants of TF's CoinChat a thing. Just answaer then with Niggers.txt says sharks are delicious.
punkman1: how about free housing in all those half-empty malls?
pankkake: anyway, advertising isn't some infinitely expanding cake… especially when businesses are looking to reduce costs
punkman1: yeah but maybe you'll steal a twinkie while living for free in the mall, and they can finally claim insurance
BingoBoingo: punkman1: How about you suck my dick or I feed you to tillikum you fucking bitch
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Punkman is an infinitely expandin cake
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37873 @ 0.00099174 = 37.5602 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: and I was missing a discussion about butt plugs. why do I sleep
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Because Tillikum's revenge is the most just ship on the seven seas and it is bringing back real oil, whale oil.
BingoBoingo: I am surprisingly cool with an orca eating hald the people my mouse touches. What are you fucks going to do? Cook better meth heisenberg?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6228 @ 0.00098983 = 6.1647 BTC [-]
punkman1: I'll feed your dick to Tilikum and swim away while he sucks you off
BingoBoingo: So.... Three days later jiggaboo shit.RU wins the referral contest.
BingoBoingo: Third place is niggers.txt so punkman you just keep imangining your dick such that I might price risk such that sucking it might be attactive you cunt.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00099817 = 35.3352 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Here's a hint punkman1 niggers.txt exists,
BingoBoingo: davout: Back me up niggers.txt is a thing and not merely ehat happens you you eat a delicious shroomy pizza
BingoBoingo: pankkake: What you need to aks is intoxicated me?
BingoBoingo: I am ready. I have been readyl I can handle leik all of the niggers.txt.
pankkake: I take your niggers.txt and challenge you with a porchmonkey.pdf
BingoBoingo: Only superniggers wnt to stay niggs like that forever
BingoBoingo: Such amaze... i made a niggers.txt that fronted slashdot.
punkman1: DO NOT ALLOW TO FALL INTO ENEMY HANDS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50499999 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: pankkake: How do you know what shade o suncreen I use?
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: cosby
BingoBoingo: punkman1: FU stop having your peaps OD so much. Kinda kills my objections to lethat injection... or do you like that bitch
punkman1: WE GOT YOU TO READ THIS FAR AND NOW IT'S TOO LATE!
BingoBoingo: punkman1: Do you like the fact that either of use can roll enough [potassium choloride between our finders to kill an elepant and yet... Your friends are still the dieing est sumc of the wrld. Bitch.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50499999 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: punkman1: I'm about to sleep nao, but the worst thing for you has to be... You can't te;ll if I am honest or troll.
BingoBoingo: punkman1: Dun worry if the sucking goes well I am sure kakobrekla will alert all of -assets. Won't make you any less of a bitch though fucker.
punkman1: a drug addicted astronaut in the midst of confronting the fact of his homosexuality
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20446 @ 0.00099901 = 20.4258 BTC [+]
Vexual: did someone say acres of oak @ 1k?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36400 @ 0.00099972 = 36.3898 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3472 @ 0.00099817 = 3.4656 BTC [-]
Vexual: you could rent that to squirrels for some serious acorn
Vexual: or mill it and turn it into heirloom furniture
Vexual: durable goods had a different meaning 60 years ago
ozbot: Space Oddity - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9565 @ 0.00099375 = 9.5052 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: homo sapiens are fucking awesome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24688 @ 0.00100075 = 24.7065 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 4 blocks | Estimated Change: 22.6935% in 0d 0h 28m 28s
deadweasel: ah, bitbets money spout prepares to explode!
mircea_popescu: comments always know better than the people involved, i find.
deadweasel: I love that the first comment is what's his name butt-hurt, warning people not to use the site...
mircea_popescu: deadweasel kinda the risk of opening teh mouth and removing all doubt lol
mircea_popescu: deadweasel joe or sam or something 3 letter. iirc he was on various site comments going "o noes, this guy is a scammor, do not write about him, here's a btctalk link"
Vexual: in a 3d casino that cat would have skin off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00100201 = 40.5814 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: late money is a bad idea, whatever the outcome
mircea_popescu: somewhat depends on the implicit odds, generally. but this late, yeah it is.
Vexual: its a wll tested model for casinos and gentlemanly behaviour
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.47873999 = 4.7874 BTC [-] {4}
Vexual: i can go to a holdem game where i might not get home with my notes even if i win
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: I'm pretty sure he improved your business, but I guess that's what they all do :)
mircea_popescu: like sailing, exactly. you can go just fine either with or against either wind or current
☟︎ mircea_popescu: just need to figure out where you're going and get a boat that'll float.
Vexual: and once you've learned to wait 13 hours or 28 days, you need big balls to go far
ozbot: Matthew Curry Brotherhood of the Guitar - YouTube
ozbot: India Arie - Get It Together - YouTube
ozbot: Monkey To Man - YouTube
ozbot: Jake Bugg - Lightning Bolt - Official Video - YouTube
ozbot: 2193847870.17428 | Next Diff in 2015 blocks | Estimated Change: -99.9392% in 27d 23h 17m 37s
gribble: Time since last block: 10 minutes and 30 seconds
ozbot: Busted Stuff: Dave Matthews Band - YouTube
Vexual: we must expoect negative diffiiculy estimates at some stage
Vexual: 2 years things will look different
mircea_popescu: i don't see how it could possibly keep up this ~50% a month for two years.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.02889523 = 0.6068 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 180 @ 0.04999998 = 9 BTC [+] {2}
kyle_torpey: a guy started a website called newswax and paid me to write bitcoin articles for him
mircea_popescu: "Men’s News Daily is the premier on-line publication for articles, news stories and opinion on world politics with a focus on men’s rights in western culture."
kyle_torpey: well men have been put down in western culture for so long, you figure they need their own rights movement
deadweasel: human rights should cover it. this separate but equal is bullshit.
deadweasel: although so much legal cruft makes us uniquely targeted in US.
deadweasel: we need to find a way to remove the conditioning of our men in the states. so warped.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02889522 = 0.1156 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 690 @ 0.00425866 = 2.9385 BTC [+] {17}
mircea_popescu: deadweasel i really don't get what the problem is. so a buncha doods are pussy whipped
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02889522 = 0.1156 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.47015 = 1.8806 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47 = 2.35 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 973 @ 0.000901 = 0.8767 BTC [+]
rattaTATI: skimming logs, is Tiberius back as altkoin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00090199 = 0.902 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the parties' self-designation of (Marotta) as a sperm donor is insufficient to relieve (Marotta) of parental right and responsibilities to the child, << basically the fiat court is saying, yet again, that it does not matter what the parties decide, because the court is superior.
mircea_popescu: this stands in stark contrast to our doctrine, as there is absolutely no law above the law of the parties.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00300016 = 0.138 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 517 @ 0.003 = 1.551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.003 = 3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.0029714 = 0.2882 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.0045 = 0.1125 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.0045 = 0.135 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02889522 = 0.2601 BTC [-]
rattaTATI: haha I'm actually reading the premine details of this etherium thing
pankkake: why does everything has to be a coin?
Vexual: theres microscopes too, noone uses them
rattaTATI: cuz they must hazzadis their decentralization
Vexual: its the girl in the lab checking the motility of your sperm
rattaTATI: rather than offer an evil centralized service
pankkake: I'm sure you can have that stuff (at least in the same not-working state) without creating yet another currency
ozbot: Clare Bowditch - Bigger Than The Money - YouTube
rattaTATI: scam is apparrent in that etherium wanfts you to give them your bitcoins
rattaTATI: the irony of the launch asking for a bunch of bitcoins to make a better coin...
pankkake: lol, so many *coins doing that now
Vexual: cloudcoin cockcoin notcoin
jcpham: i have to force myself not to pay attention to bitcoin land
jcpham: alt coins just make me think this is all a big joke
Vexual: satoshi didnt make a stustless money system for every other turstless system to be called coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999999 = 0.5 BTC [+]
pankkake: at least we have a turtleless money system
Vexual: turtles are a pain in the arse'
Vexual: so piglet, u got honey or not?
ozbot: Leonard Cohen - Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye / ISLE OF WIGHT 1970 - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02889522 = 0.5779 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 896 @ 0.00462716 = 4.1459 BTC [-] {13}
nubbins`: those ladies look high as shit
mircea_popescu: so basically the economy of bitcoin is, "get a bunch of noobs to give you a bunch of bitcents on various pretenses, go buy s.mpoe"
Vexual: 1 plant gets 15 years here
Vexual: i bought smidge for exposure to all the stupid shit, and thats what i got
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00099844 = 4.6927 BTC [-]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: not true, some people don't go buy s.mpoe
nubbins`: vexual, 15 years for owning a plant
mircea_popescu: some people also don't make gem investments and shitty altcoin scams.
Vexual: viet vets shoot copters up north growing 303
nubbins`: on the upside, it seems like retailers accepting bitcoin has actually started to result in consumers spending bitcoin
Vexual: its half png half vietnam from 67
nubbins`: was it the humble indie bundle? or something? that said that like 1% of their sales came from btc after they started accepting it?
nubbins`: today you have tiger direct scooping up $0.25mn on day 1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00451699 = 0.1581 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: so bitcoins like a thng for internet commerce then?
nubbins`: i think a lot of this volume is driven by the fact that the people spending it bought in at a lower price
nubbins`: nobody who bought btc at $900 is buying bedsheets at overstock.com
nubbins`: but the plebs who bought at, say, $400 are spitting out btc at everyone who will take them
Vexual: that egyptian cotton gets good after you wash it
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, they still view their btc as being too valuable to spend
nubbins`: now take people who bought at <$100
jcpham: nubbins` i did a 17 item overstock spree for shits and giggles
nubbins`: "look at all this free money i have! let's spend it!"
jcpham: then i followed suit at amagi and waited to see who shipped faster
jcpham: overstock won, but only by a day
Vexual: yeah but you only got a tide watch
jcpham: now there's art on the walls
jcpham: overstock has some odd shit bro
jcpham: jewelry too if you're looking for assets to wear
jcpham: in case you go to jail and need to pawn them
nubbins`: casascius coins on gold chains
kakobrekla: kinds miss something overstock-like in yurop
jcpham: remember: if you are wearing it they cannot "seize" it
kakobrekla: anyway, if you sit on a mil or ten, might not be a good idea to spend a percent to make your life better.
pankkake: so there's a market for solid gold butt plug
jcpham: i agree with kakobrekla
Vexual: yeah in dubai, illeagl and gold is gold
jcpham: seems overstock would have gold butt plus
jcpham: that seems like anoverstock'd item
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02889526 = 0.1445 BTC [+]
pankkake: by the way, the rosebud butt plug is a proud French invention
nubbins`: that's a different type of stretching
kakobrekla: golden buttplug - its an ivnestment which you can amortize
mircea_popescu: "ONE PAIR of 316L Stainless Steel earlets that are internally threaded. These tunnels have a screw on back piece so that you can insert them without having to force a double flared plugs in your piercing. This makes it much easier for people that have a hard time fitting double flared plugs in, or also those that just have a freshly stretched piercing and want a plug that is easy to insert."
ozbot: Rosebuds : Plus qu'un sextoy, le rosebud est un bijou intime
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02898999 = 0.2899 BTC [+]
Vexual: its the depression and she srying becuase she can't afford a new hat
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: both of my earlobe piercings were stretched out to 18mm at one point
nubbins`: i don't wear jewelry in anything now
pankkake: I still have a weird bump due to my industrial piercing :(
nubbins`: steel-reinforced anus, what must you think of people!
Vexual: dont you guys ahve tailors?
nubbins`: sure, tony the tailor will add a zipper to anything
nubbins`: altho they mostly do salvation army uniforms
nubbins`: fun fact, i used to wear a steel retainer in my septum but accidentally swallowed it while eating pussy
nubbins`: spent several seconds trying to decide how to tell a loved one that a chunk of something just fell out of their pussy
nubbins`: before i realized what had happened
nubbins`: although much smaller, the hole is still there. great party trick
Vexual: if you ask your tailor to put a button hole somewhere strange, he will tell you to come bacj when you are sober
mircea_popescu: my tailor would just be thankful i didn't want the butthole put on her.
Vexual: i talk to a man, i don't kno who sews it
mircea_popescu: it's like das or criminal pathologists. they're all womenz.
Vexual: perhaps i only talk to salesmen
punkman1: male tailors are like a british thing
mircea_popescu: (and strangely, nobody holds conferences about how theres no men in criminal pathology, either.
nubbins`: this reminds me that i need a pair of pants altered
Vexual: get it right, im not wearing underwear
Vexual: thats tantamount to sexual assualt if female tailor
nubbins`: i generally don't wear the garment that requires altering when visiting the tailor
Vexual: well one probaby shoundt pop into see the tailor on freeballin days either way
nubbins`: one probably shouldn't get ball sweat all over one's pants
nubbins`: "sir, these pants smell of duck butter"
nubbins`: i don't need to be authed to ;;ud, do i?
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: duck butter
Vexual: coz im the fucking xustomer
nubbins`: i think i know what a grundle is, although it's a new word for me
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: grundle
Vexual: drop the crotch a few inches
nubbins`: "I hit the flush button and I feel the air from the VCHT (vacuum, collection, and holding tank) system pass over my grundle. That one full second of cool air down below is one of the few perks of the day and of the job."
Vexual: how often do newly tatood people tell their artist it looks shit?
Vexual: they think it, and never say it, ever
nubbins`: i have a friend with a misspelled tattoo
Vexual: i bet she paid the full asking price too
NineBitByte: at least you can probably fix it (squeeze in 're somewhere)
nubbins`: nah, there was no room for fixing it
nubbins`: he got it at the ripe old age of 14
nubbins`: from the sort of shop that tattoos 14 year olds
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: that's not the problem as I see it. coping mechanism as children become their de facto way of being "MEN"(careers, dads, husbands, tax-paying, nationalists, etc)... It happens so early nobody knows truly why they do anything.
nubbins`: well, he doesn't, is the thing
nubbins`: deadweasel, that's the problem with becoming a dad/husband too early
nubbins`: the fuck does a 20 year old know about life?
Vexual: if you dont like it, we can shoot you with a laser and burn it off
nubbins`: what wisdom can he possibly impart upon his offspring?
nubbins`: aside from "don't follow in my footsteps"
deadweasel: even if he had it, does he have a way of imparting it? not if he ascribes to his own conditioning.
nubbins`: which the kid could figure out on his own, over time
mircea_popescu: right-o. so ideally 14 to 16 yo womens marry 30 to 50 yo men ?
nubbins`: Vexual: then you have a lovely scar in the shape of a misspelled word
mircea_popescu: yet another reason why teh arab world will buttrape the us.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, if you get married before 30 you're cracked
nubbins`: can't speak to the female experience
deadweasel: then the whole comedy restarts, with no gain in knowledge/wisdom etc... used to be passed down. now internet.
mircea_popescu: people have somehow forgotten - over a generation - that if you can't afford disposable diapers
ozbot: eminem - Kill you with lyrics - YouTube
nubbins`: this is symptomatic of a wider "old is bad, new is good" belief
mircea_popescu: nubbins` which is fine, but then... cabby i know, can barely make his car payments, made 100 yest
mircea_popescu: im like what the fuck is wrong with you you retarded boi!
nubbins`: it's only in the past couple generations, AFAICT, that this severing of traditions/knowledge-sharing has really ramped up
mircea_popescu: missy precious can wash the diapers. by hand. in cold water. in the front of the house, naked.
mircea_popescu: so all the neighbours can see how poor and abject she is.
mircea_popescu: he'll have a much better life after a week or two of this.
Vexual: do photograph that with nice lighting
nubbins`: the book "ishmael" covers this topic at length
deadweasel: aw yes! book helped me realize I wasn't insane at a young age
mircea_popescu: omfg these book things keep stealing my banal ideas before i even say them
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: daniel quinn, worth a read
mircea_popescu: IN ORDER TO BETTER PRESERVE TRADITION, BURN ALL THE BOOKS!
mircea_popescu: ;;google fiddler on the roof, "tradition, tradition" scene
mircea_popescu: whoa, google works if you talk to it as if it were a human being.
Vexual: then it serves you ads
Vexual: i search for goa and tomato so much i get ads about eggs
deadweasel: ;;google goat eating a tomatoe in his lambo
Vexual: nubs how to clean a fowl? one of my pullets is rooster and wakes me too earyl
deadweasel: slit zee throat, bleed it, pluck, wash, cook.
nubbins`: who the fuck taught those women to knead dough?
nubbins`: it's not a stepchild, you don't just punch it into submission
Vexual: im like that romainian girl that bakes bread for the first time and gets it so right that it should be illegal
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nubbins`: Vexual, i know a guy in st pierre who worked at a chicken factory
nubbins`: he said step 1 was to grab a chicken
Vexual: i could cook it like kangaroo tail
nubbins`: i have to say that i've come very close to mastering the art of sourdough bread
Vexual: guts in, burn on charcoal until untasty bits are gone
Vexual: got a good rise happening?
nubbins`: took me almost a year to figure it out
Vexual: did your culture just get better?
nubbins`: the flavors generally do get better over time, but it's actually the method that i changed
nubbins`: now i pre-invigorate by mixing the starter, sugar, and warm water
nubbins`: let that sit for 30 minutes in a warm place, and THEN add flour+salt
Vexual: do tell, i always get flat sourdough, and my fridge has all kinds of shit gowing in it
nubbins`: idea is that the yeast cells are very active by the time the flour is added
nubbins`: and all dispersed through the water, which gives an even distribution
nubbins`: with minimal kneading necessary
Vexual: dont knead too much and cook hot?
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nubbins`: from what i understand, this is both fast and cool
nubbins`: i think a lot of it depends on the specific set of yeasts and bacterias that your starter ends up consisting of
Vexual: its australian bush bread, doughy and eaten with butter
nubbins`: wow, so it's actually covered in ash?
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> it's not a stepchild, you don't just punch it into submission <<< ahaha
Vexual: ands its as good as currency, it trades for tobacco and shit
nubbins`: "traditional" bread here is hard tack
nubbins`: must be boiled before consuming unless you have teeth of steel
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: good thing, because they can't bake for shit
nubbins`: oh, i was on the news last night
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: sharing my thoughts on the resignation of our premier
nubbins`: yeah, they caught my good side
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the "x has been on the news" concentration is here as opposed to internet average
mircea_popescu: i mean kako is prolly on the news weekly as the only somalian with an internet connection...
nubbins`: vexual, shaved it for a court appearance some months ago
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they have that us law that bearded people are to be sent to jail there too ?!
pankkake: "All things considered, I'd say we did a pretty good job of preserving purchasing power in the rise from $100 to $1000 BTC. During that time we went from about 0.032/share to 0.0034/share."
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: civil case, not criminal ;)
ozbot: THE BEARDS - If Your Dad Doesn't Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums (Official Film Clip) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: this is a redefinition of an inexistent problem, it's like "we did a pretty good job of not gruesomely murdering our customers"
mircea_popescu: "they only get food poisoning like half the time, tops, and it's rarely fatal"
mircea_popescu: "a woman and her daughter had been eating here for even like two weeks each day. well... 10 days"
nubbins`: actually, that civil case is still dragging out
nubbins`: deadbeats, take heed: i will be made whole!
ozbot: Cheech And Chong- Trippin in court - YouTube
Vexual: thats arlo guthrie on the intro
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Vexual: arlo and willies daughters have a band
Duffer1: "We have about 5 bitcoins left sitting in a wallet which I will probably use to buy the new butterfly labs hardware" < ಠ_ಠ
nubbins`: "we have about one teaspoon of peanut butter left which i will probably inject into my penis"
nubbins`: ^ a member of the donner party
Vexual: me too, i spent my last 5 on bfl
nubbins`: "what should we do with our last 5btc?" " i know! let's turn it into 2btc!"
ozbot: Melanie Safka - Look What They've Done To My Song Ma - YouTube
gribble: Error: "bc,xay" is not a valid command.
gribble: 1 XAU = 1241.700000000000 USD = 1.35378677613 BTC
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> "what should we do with our last 5btc?" " i know! let's turn it into 2btc!" <<< gotta preserve that lol power parity...
nubbins`: the pirate bay always has interesting banner ads
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: the other 3btc was directly converted to lels
nubbins`: Vexual: the implication is that the girl needs to use a website to find people to fuck
mircea_popescu: me @piratebay "hey, give me your adspace" piratebay @me "if you would like to advertise pls talk to whatever random dorks we are using to mismanage our only source of revenue"
mircea_popescu: me @piratebay "no, you don't understand. i don't talk to dorks. smarten up"
mircea_popescu: this was a month or so ago. apparently it takes them longer than a month to figure the money angle out.
nubbins`: that bearded fella is still in jail
ozbot: Lee Perry - Super Ape - YouTube
mircea_popescu: mwanwhile "Dow industrials down 200 as stocks’ slide steepens" and "jpm dimon thinks he has something to say on bitcoin".
Vexual: wheres the gold and why no mill the oak?
nubbins`: he's like those anti-railroad people who claimed that the human body wasn't designed to handle such speeds
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> ppl be having intellectual retardation issues. <<
nubbins`: "your body will explode! take a horse and carriage, both of which i incidentally sell/rent!"
rattaTATpow: CNN top story: "Should pregnant woman stay on respirator? Husband says she is 'empty shell' "
Vexual: then shes not pregnant
rattaTATpow: sounds like the start of a good child horror movie
Vexual: nah, very autistic with mental powers
nubbins`: Should premature baby be kept alive in incubator? Husband says it is 'empty plastic box'
Vexual: yeah i dont know how much say hubby has when its a new child
nubbins`: Should pregnant woman stay on respirator? Husband says 'I never wanted the fuckin thing'
nubbins`: Should pregnant woman stay on respirator? Husband says 'This will severely limit my ability to get new pussy'
rattaTATpow: "Why brain dead means really dead" sub headline
Vexual: sounds lie a premise for an md article
nubbins`: The family's attorneys more recently said that Marlise's fetus "is distinctly abnormal," suffering from hydrocephalus and "deformed to the extent that the gender cannot be determined."
nubbins`: good thing they waited til halfway through the article to drop that
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mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> good thing they waited til halfway through the article to drop that << see, this is why it doesn't sound like a mp article.
Vexual: straight ragin from the get go huh mp?
mircea_popescu: well certainly not manufactured "here's some banal shit let me keep quiet about salient points maybe you read through"
Vexual: nah more like cop this
Duffer1: i heard cement may be bad for electronics, but i'm skeptical
Vexual: did you just compare the sg of concrete to seawater?
ozbot: Why sugar helped remove Victoria Line concrete flood - Telegraph
Vexual: piss speeds it up but its hardly ever required
Vexual: ug fucking paleo bullshit
deadweasel: i'd like to pee on my coworkers, see if it speeds them up, so I don't have to test 3 weeks work of code in 3 days.
deadweasel: Vexual, if you lyme disease, and eat sugar, you're gonna have a bad time.
deadweasel: i'm not quite sure if it's chronic yet
deadweasel: 2 months ABX knocked it out,but there is no way to know if it's for good
deadweasel: fucking cyst form of lyme is the body ninja, no drug can really find it all.
pankkake: if you are human and eat sugar you're gonna have a bad time
deadweasel: looking into bacteriophage from Tblisi
Vexual: seriously, have you friend moroccan kif?
deadweasel: not moroccan, it's grown in my spare room.
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pankkake: fuck blockchain.info showing me dollars by default
Vexual: just click the green box, didn't you read the bible
mircea_popescu: idiots using dollars should have to doi an extra click.
pankkake: yeah, but now I have to click it every time
Vexual: if blockchain.info break, how mych other stuuf breaks?
NineBitByte: uh, everything using blockchain.info's API and their wallet site/apps
pankkake: especially since blockchain.info has been behind a few times already
kakobrekla: but if you wouldnt have adblock enabled on bitbet you would already know that.
Vexual: you learn soemthing new everyday
Vexual: yeah imma drink two vodkas and forget that
pankkake: lol now after litecoin they had "digitalcoin"
pankkake: my vacuum cleaner isn't sucking as well as it used to :(
deadweasel: pankkake: remove your cock from the intake. worked for me.
Vexual: having trouble breathing deadweasel?
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deadweasel: yes, but I have oxygen max on my genitals now, much better.
Vexual: if your membrum is bubbling, it might be gonorreah
deadweasel: course your best friend's brothers fuck buddy was probably a poor choice.
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deadweasel: much discharge << no you can't unread that.
Vexual: nnone gives a fuck if you had gonorreah
jcpham: no, that doesn't sound like fun at all, does it?
Vexual: if doctor greg mulhausen had gonorreah hed reduce his management fee by half
Vexual: he is very professional like that
Vexual: noot very wall street tho, go figure
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Vexual: just strutting, and droppying the lingo
cads: mircea_popescu: it's a bounty market for mathematical proofs as formalized in either the coq or agda computer proof systems.
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Vexual: and yuo complain when bitcoin tools dont match expectations, then yuo do it again
mircea_popescu: cads i think asciilifeform was wishing a similar thing
nubbins`: Vexual, my last name is a homonym of "kif"
nubbins`: all of the hostel owners i met in morocco found this endlessly entertaining
nubbins`: "last name?" "keefe" "ah, should i call police?"
nubbins`: then canada customs has the audacity to search me upon return
nubbins`: as if i'd go to another country to buy cannabis and then bring it back to canada
nubbins`: that's like leaving russia to smuggle home vodka
Vexual: thats why i carry my pasport in my rectum, sves time
nubbins`: TBF i saw the search coming as soon as i stared talking to the agent
nubbins`: "so where are you coming from?"
nubbins`: "just a day. i was in morocco for a week before that, and before THAT, i was in london for about 12 hours"
Vexual: we got rfid passports now, so i dont even need to take it out
nubbins`: "just so i get this straight..."
Vexual: heathrow marakesh heathrow
nubbins`: technically i flew from Luton to Marrakesh
nubbins`: but i did go canada-uk via heathrow
nubbins`: anyway, marrakesh has passable hash
nubbins`: it's pretty heavy on the heat tho
Vexual: varanasi is stae of the art
nubbins`: hard to walk 10 feet without someone whispering "hashish" to you
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Vexual: hand rubbed from tall slender plnts at 4000 mteres
Vexual: buy a nice chillum and get a big lungful first time you try
nubbins`: you assumed that i don't own a nice chillum? ;(
nubbins`: "warm beer, cold women and fast food made slow"?
Vexual: i asumed you're not taking it on the jumbo
Vexual: if you buy a beer in india they put it under the table
Vexual: but they will ahnd you a chillum
Vexual: and whisky dens ar efun
Vexual: strange men come and skull a half while i slowly sip two full bottles
Vexual: vegetarians bringing every meat they can find to sole the puzzle
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Vexual: they serve the mathanol and i never ask of the lavatory
Vexual: hey ngb, i was teling a sorty about how i gave half of mubai disentry
Vexual: cant sell 10 tons of teak on reddit
jurov: iirc there was a foyer channel
jurov: but dounni if it ever work as intended
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jurov: sooo, my x.eur shorting play ops are almost concluded, it can go up now
Apocalyptic: J.P. Morgan to Raise Dimon's Pay to $20 Million
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mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic o looky, he makes in a year almost what i made a month in 2013.
nubbins`: he obviously doesn't mind degrading himself for money
mircea_popescu: what am i going to do with a decrepit old man with no skills ?
Apocalyptic: Hearn & Dimon hot webcam : tonight's special
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, dunno, use him as a coffee table
ozbot: [CLOSED] Friedcat t-shirt group buy #3
nubbins`: can someone explain to me what that image means?
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only people who'd watch that would be redditors linking the "bitbet r scam" thread
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Apocalyptic: In the meeting, which took place in the offices of Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, one member of Mr. Bharara's team asked why certain people within J.P. Morgan's were still working at the bank despite failures to adequately investigate suspicions about Mr. Madoff.
Apocalyptic: Mr. Dimon, according to these people, said the bank removes people for incompetence but noted that wasn't the case here. "If you want me to fire them," he added, "give me their names and I will fire them."
nubbins`: i don't follow hand-egg, this is all lost on me
Vexual: nubbins' looks like a king in scribblenaughts :)
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nubbins`: Vexual, that's lifted from a rejected Eulora splash screen :P
rattaTATpow: sherman "A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of a sheep."
kakobrekla: you cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship
kakobrekla: basically same thing as psi laju karavani prolaze
nubbins`: not really sure why it didn't get picked.
ozbot: Richard Stallman Freaks Out and Has a Meltdown - YouTube
nubbins`: i attended a talk by Rolf Heuer from CERN a while back, was slightly disappointed to not see him freak out
nubbins`: i guess the beard just started my wishful thinking
ozbot: Richard Stallman Free software Song - YouTube
nubbins`: replace the B with a FSF logo and that's essentially him
nubbins`: a fat bearded wild-man slapping a laptop and chanting "join us" to a bunch of ecuadorians
simlay: I saw rms at uc berkeley a couple months back. He didn't wear shoes throughout the whole talk.
ozbot: Richard Stallman Eats Something From His Foot - YouTube
mircea_popescu: this entire fucking "presentation" bullshit has been the worst idea ever.
mircea_popescu: engineers do not belong outside of the basement. let people do what they're good at ffs.
nubbins`: ^ with rare exceptions, this is true
nubbins`: it's truly a rare person who is both a leader in their field and able to communicate with the public at their level
mircea_popescu: if you plot rms' output and his public speaking, the results are pretty sad.
rattaTATpow: the dude is a tinkerer, he'll never follow through
simlay: rattaTATpow: The awkward founder kid?
rattaTATpow: tinkerers are not CEOs or bosses or salesman
nubbins`: he wanted to do [random word] [random bitcoin term]
ozbot: Tom Marshall sworn in as 11th premier - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
pankkake: time spent communicating about a project is usually inversely correlated to the advancement of the project
nubbins`: see the guy on the right-hand side of the picture?
Apocalyptic: <nubbins`> QUANTUM MINING // wtf am I reading
nubbins`: he had to apologize to canada on behalf of scout leaders who molested kids a while back
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic there was some nut a few months ago, truely a thing to behold. he was going to "emulate" qc on plain old computers.
nubbins`: y'know, we'll just emulate non-determinism on these deterministic machines
mircea_popescu: he had pestered a number of respectable academia people, collected all the bits of their responses that weren't "you are a fucking retard kill yourself"
pankkake: well, he wanted *investments* more than actually succeeding I think
nubbins`: and i'll just keep saying things that make sense
mircea_popescu: and was bothering people around btc. some of them didn't immediately go "you are a fucking retard kill yourself"
simlay: He's the kid from bitocin magazine and founde/or something of ethereum.
pankkake: he kept PMing me after I told him I was poor
pankkake: jorash… I still have the window open :o
mircea_popescu: (this is unrelated to vitalik buterin, who's just an enthusiastic kid that's been exploited for a while by the bitcoin magazine assholes and is now looking for a new rapist)
nubbins`: i should start a bitcoin conspiracy rag
nubbins`: start accepting articles about how the man is keeping quantum mining hush-hush
nubbins`: maybe a "paranoiac of the week" on the last page
mircea_popescu: where you debunk in detail idiotic notions in the space
ozbot: 1815 jorash> So I'm with a Toronto company, founded in 2009 called noospheer. - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, this would actually be a fun project
mircea_popescu: just make sure you do a thorough ass job on each article.
mircea_popescu: this is the sort of thing where you can post even monthly, just as long as each post is worshippable.
jcpham: sounds like perfect material for fuckbitcoin.com
nubbins`: web is dead, i'd be printing on thinly-sliced trees
pankkake: nubbins`: there is #bitcoin-conspiracy but nothing ever get said
jcpham: nubbins what's your email address we'll make you an editor
nubbins`: oh wait, why did i just do that
nubbins`: the cups are stealing our women
mircea_popescu: check out the very comfortable token female / token black person
mircea_popescu: she's like... "i hope they're too retarded to notice me natch"
nubbins`: you can tell she's comfortable because of the way she's holding her arms
nubbins`: the one dudebro looks like he's wearing a suede skirt
jcpham: nubbins` feel free to be as libelous as you'd like my friend
nubbins`: "Rapeghost's friendly guide to #Bitcoin-OTC"
TATontehroad: joradh is jordan ash who did indeed partnerwith vitalik on the quantum mining thing
nubbins`: i guess that answers the question of what "rg" stands for
TATontehroad: they pitched it at btc conference in Amsterdam
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, rg = rapegost. i guess meanwhile this became a mystery of times past
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jcpham: ditched that first otc identity
nubbins`: that guy tried to skeet me out of some money
jcpham: used magick and conjured a new one
nubbins`: i designed a logo for him, and after delivering final proofs, he said "lel i don't like it, didn't want to hurt your feelings... you can keep the deposit tho"
TATontehroad: I was there to pass on the yer-retarded msg tho
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nubbins`: public humiliation does indeed lead to butthurt
TATontehroad: it was during lunch so at least it was a smaller crowd...
TATontehroad: they weren't allowed to pitch duringnormal ceremonies
nubbins`: "Several local residents told the media Thursday there were no sprinklers in the portion of the building that was destroyed"
nubbins`: someone buy that man some sunblock
nubbins`: SHITCOIN magazine has a nice ring
nubbins`: "My husband spent our inheritance on doge so i cut off his dick" etc
nubbins`: "Pumping and dumping for fun and profit"
nubbins`: "Memecoin: a plug-and-play alt that YOU can pre-mine!"
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mircea_popescu: "“I think there will be a global currency that will take on [J.P. Morgan CEO] Jamie Dimon and the other banks and other currencies."
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mircea_popescu: so it'd seem bitcointalk has a xss vuln in the trust rating system, because mpoe-pr just managed to spam trust three times by simply refreshing the page.
mircea_popescu: if anyone feels like forging some js POST fields and checking it...
kakobrekla: put in <script>alert('bleh');</script> and see what happens
kakobrekla: but that has nothing to do with not refreshing the page after posting
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, more like, see what you're POST ing, load it in a page with a js autopost when someone loads the page
mircea_popescu: and see what happens when you visit that page logged into btctalk
nubbins`: what the fuck is it with bitcoin and CSRF?
nubbins`: every single play exchange had CSRF vulnerabilities
Apocalyptic: you could withdraw btc just with a request...
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah i guess. gotta polish up on my web terminology
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla srsly ? i can make you post stuff if you visit my page logged in ?!
kakobrekla: its broken in a sense its repositng same stuff
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nubbins`: PoC, someone else can try it out
nubbins`: you can also hide the buttons and textboxes for stealth
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, seriously you need jquery to submit a form ?
nubbins`: nah just too lazy to type out document.selectelementdfgdsfgfger blah blah
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benkay: why do you need a input telling you what kind of request you're getting?
benkay: nevermind. it's btctalk.
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Apocalyptic: nubbins`, so you confirm the CSRF is working for posting new topics ?
nubbins`: nah, it triggers the Preview button instead of the Post button
nubbins`: regardless, yes, you can get logged-in users to submit forms just by luring them to a website
nubbins`: yeah, i can't figure that one out
nubbins`: probably trivial but it's been a while since i've done this stuff
nubbins`: once the preview appears, you've lost the ability to inject
nubbins`: let me think on this for a bit
nubbins`: yeah, shrug. i think post2 is specifically for the preview page
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, just start wireshark so you can compare the requests and see what you're missing
nubbins`: you know, you could potentially reset people's passwords like this
kakobrekla: you are requesting action post 2 while posting the form
nubbins`: action=post2 spoils the request
pankkake: "75% out of almost 200 people voted the money should be returned.. Scam job wrote all over it, It's time to give negative rating to MPOE-PR"
mircea_popescu: the mem dood disappeared, to be replaced by a new muppet
pankkake: I don't think there is anything worse than anynomous voting
pankkake: hmm… how could I create a DemocraticCoin…
pankkake: nah, it should have a specific stupid feature
nubbins`: i give up, may try to poke at it some more later
simlay: Has someone written a crypto coin name generator yet?
pankkake: GlobalWarmingCoin now that would work!
mircea_popescu: simlay pankkake actually wrote an altcoin generator outright
nubbins`: FWIW here's the similar vulnerability i disclosed to havelock last summer:
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: the havelock one? yeah, they patched it up right away
pankkake: it's not mine… neither the much profit
nubbins`: nah that was all hand-crafted by yours truly
simlay: mircea_popescu: coingen.io
pankkake: I thought of doing it, but the doing the "windows binaries" thing annoyed me
nubbins`: i sometimes wonder how much money got stolen form havelock, btc-e, btctctctct, etc via these CSRF bugs
pankkake: also the guy isn't even providing new genesis blocks
nubbins`: anyway, i tried to use the same trick to reset a user's email address -- that one is not possible
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is how you know a site that claims it's trading X btc/day actually does : ridiculous csrf bugs don't drive them out of business.
nubbins`: i was amazed to see shit like this in a production environment
nubbins`: okay, looks like all the important actions are protected from this by storing a session variable in a hidden text field and submitting that with the request
nubbins`: TBF this would have been an issue with the forum software itself
nubbins`: not before the form is loaded tho
kakobrekla: if you edit one of your own posts you get in in the url
nubbins`: sure, it stays with you until your session expires
nubbins`: but the question remains: how to get it?
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kakobrekla: load the edit post page in iframe, read off the url?
nubbins`: well you'd need to know the value of sesc to successfully load the iframe
nubbins`: "Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again."
nubbins`: yeah, no, i don't think it's do-able
nubbins`: this is why you use frameworks and CMSes
nubbins`: because generally intelligent people have thought this stuff through
nubbins`: roll your own website, and you're taking on all that responsibility yourself
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pankkake: well, that depends on your tools, too. you can roll your own with libs that help you do the right thing
pankkake: but things like php help you do exactly the wrong thing
nubbins`: ah look, icbit.se runs off ASP.NET
nubbins`: it's not as bad as people like to think
nubbins`: i mean, the code it generates is FUCKED
nubbins`: but it tailors it to the individual's browser/os
pankkake: given that I do a lot of website parsing, I hate it :p
jurov: such ugliness is more an intrinsic problem of HTML++
jurov: i am using a tool to generate stuff from outline
jurov: somewhat like literate programming to organize code to not get crazy
jurov: and it just isn't possible to insert stuff marking the section reliably into xhtml
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jurov: ended up exactly with such ugly CDATA wrappers
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jurov: just a result of HTML/XML kludge
nubbins`: when i made sites with JSF, i don't think they generated any CDATA tags
nubbins`: but JSF comes with its own set of problems
nubbins`: FWIW, visual studio is a great IDE
nubbins`: tho few are willing to admit it
jurov: at least javascript *must* be wrapped in cdata
pankkake: or, don't put javascript in html ;)
nubbins`: the browser will parse it, and you don't break W3C compliance
pankkake: yes, that's the way javascript should be included: <!-- <script></script> -->
nubbins`: "fuck compliance" is the general mantra, yes
pankkake: kakobrekla: that's the html5 spirit!
nubbins`: it's also the html 4.01 spirit
pankkake: no, html5 basically admits "devs can't write correct html, so we are going to spec how browsers should react to bad stuff"
kakobrekla: when i see "this page has been validated" i leave it immediately
jurov: what? you mean <script><!-- if (a > b){stuff} --></script> no?
nubbins`: making pages w3c compliant is suck a fucking pain in the hole
pankkake: eh, one of my websites is XHTML 1.1 compliant
pankkake: jurov: no, that was the joke :p
nubbins`: hmm, only 157 compliance errors on mpex.co
pankkake: it probably just needs the html5 doctype
nubbins`: nah there's no doctype specified
pankkake: which would actually fit right in here
nubbins`: just specifying one would probably get rid of all 157 errors
jurov: i'm using xml templates, somewhere there in between was the reason i can't just comment everything out
benkay: it's not that dev's can't in2 html, it's that once a person starts calling themselves a 'dev' they generally have left html behind because the dom is a stateful nightmare to program for
benkay: yeah i had a conversation recently where the conclusion was 'we no ams use back button'
nubbins`: at my last job, there was at least one asshole on each project who would ask "can we just disable the browser's back button?"
nubbins`: "well that depends, can i just walk into your house and fuck your wife?"
benkay: too bad web applications are the only way to develop affordably in a way that most mobile browsers can access surfaced data
KRS1: i hate web applications i'm a systems guy
nubbins`: i did web apps for 5 years and then ragequit
benkay: ya well people gotta derp on buttons and see pretty graphs
KRS1: i can see why nubbins`
pankkake: I am trying to branch out of web applications
pankkake: not many people want to pay me to write CLI applications though!
KRS1: pankkake not much of a choice
nubbins`: pankkake, there's plenty of coding to be done that's not web apps and not CLI
pankkake: actually, at some point, I started projects that didn't even have a CLI
pankkake: you had to run the interpreter and import the lib
pankkake: true. that's what I was mostly doing with the webby stuff
nubbins`: well sure, but they're not really used that way in real life
nubbins`: in general usage, web services don't have an I of any type, CL or otherwise
kakobrekla: anyone wants to do bitbet console version :)
pankkake: kakobrekla: well I do write CLI interfaces to talk to websites
kakobrekla: i think it would be better if its inbrowser faked cli
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pankkake: no, UNIX style applications are awesome
nubbins`: at my last job, all the front-line staffed used TUI
jspiros: I am in the same position as pankkake, I am tired of webdev and wish people would pay me to write CLI/TUI apps
nubbins`: "hit F12... now C... now 3... Tab twice... F2 that..."
jspiros: though I would be happy writing GUI apps too, for desktops; I'm just tired of mobile or web as the primary options
nubbins`: web is the worst fucking medium to write for
jspiros: I think the web is fine for what it was originally designed for; hacking desktop-style UIs into it is when things started to go wrong
nubbins`: how many mpex brokers are there, anyway?
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ozbot: Court Says Craigslist Sperm Donor Must Pay Child Support - Slashdot
jurov: nubbins`: i'm afraid all others went into hiding or out of business
nubbins`: TL, DR: a doctor didn't collect the sperm
nubbins`: but how was the sperm collected, you ask?
nubbins`: "...while agreeing to donate sperm in a plastic cup to Schreiner and Angela Bauer..."
nubbins`: i can see the craigslist ad now
nubbins`: "We are two hot lesbians who are looking for a man to visit our house and cum into a red Solo cup"
pankkake: with all these stories I'm afraid of where my sperm goes
nubbins`: further food for thought: it's the state, not the women, who instigated this process
nubbins`: from what i can gather, the two moms got on welfare and the state wants the cup-cummer to repay $6k worth of welfare cheques
pankkake: yes, but the mom shouldn't have declared a father
nubbins`: she probably had to in order to collect welfare
nubbins`: "there is no father" "where's the letter from your doctor?"
mircea_popescu: " A recent Harvard study found that 49 percent of links in Supreme Court opinions are now dead, and 70 percent of links in journals, including the Harvard Law Review, are dead too."
mircea_popescu: on the positive side, trilema > the scotus, culturally speaking.
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jurov: links to polimedia.us/trilema aren't dead?
KRS1: as long as the bait keeps coming
KRS1: yeah what happened to dtng on polimedia.us? There were great pics there
jurov: just asking. they are not
Apocalyptic: btw polimedia.us now redirects to MPex directly
mircea_popescu: yeah, i got tired of "sorry, no, not taking clients, no, srsly."
benkay: this is why bitcoin is going to break the welfare state
benkay: you cannot come to me and say "this child is yours and we're going to garnish your wages" for you cannot garnish my bitcoin earnings.
mircea_popescu: soon enough feeding two idiot women who think they're lesbians as if that's something to be is too expensive,
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Diablo-D3: [05:37:46] <benkay> you cannot come to me and say "this child is yours and we're going to garnish your wages" for you cannot garnish my bitcoin earnings.
Diablo-D3: actually, they can just court order you to sell your assets
Diablo-D3: dont make him suffer because you're a fucking loser that needs to be shot
benkay: Diablo-D3 do you just show up in here, read the last five lines and start typing?
benkay: n, where n is insufficient to derive context?
mircea_popescu: "there's nowehere nearly as many gay people as the gay political party would have you believe". shocking!
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Diablo-D3: well, the republican party IS pretty big
pankkake: isn't the republican party full of guys getting their dicks sucked by men in public toilets or something?
mircea_popescu: well in this context, by "gay political party" i simply meant the bunch of despicable faggots that are going "we are opressed please give us free shit out of the public tax chest"
mircea_popescu: like the niggers, exactly, just with a different story.
Diablo-D3: the republican party is full of gay niggers
KRS1: gay nigger garbage man
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mircea_popescu: there's this one guy who's reasonably sane. he works as a garbage truck driver. everyone thinks he's gay and black, for some reason.
KRS1: my god this rapper has to be a joke
KRS1: i would uninstall myself, deficate and die if i got my ass kicked and raped by a gangster ass faggot
pankkake: listen to gorgoroth for non faggy gay metal!
Namworld: Seriously, someone take a club with protuding nails and insert it up deep in Bitstamp's ass. I don't want to fly over to do it myself.
kakobrekla: you know someone like me could take down bitstamp quite simply
kakobrekla: i know where their server is and they only do daily local msql dumps
Namworld: Gofundme page: "Help me insert objects with protuding rusted metal spike in orifices"
jurov: kakobrekla what if someone really throws molotow to bitstamp dc and they'll imply you?
Namworld: They have no backups? How would you even know?
jurov: i don't know where the dc is, you said you did
jurov: well, now you are complicit anyway
Namworld: Bitstamp wants dox with so much resolution they fit on 2 pages
Apocalyptic: they want your miners' receipt too and pic of you with them if you withdraw > 100k and claim you mined it
Namworld: They might be a bit overboard there
jurov: Apocalyptic and shoe on the head?
Namworld: Do they want to do a cavity search too to make sure I'm not hiding and going to buy drugs from myself?
Apocalyptic: Namworld, i've recently received the requirements to open a corporate account with them
Apocalyptic: they're clearly overdoing the AML/KYC thing
jurov: and i thought bitcoin-central went overboard, but it was actually better than this
Namworld: It would be easier to convince an NSA agent to just bring a suitcase of money to an unnamed individual in the countryside in a region where terrorists are known to hide than to AML/KYC with Bitstamp?
blg: arent there any criminal countries left where you can open a bank account no questions asked and run a bitcoin business with it
blg: i was thinking eastern europe or middle east or south america
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> they want your miners' receipt too and pic of you with them if you withdraw > 100k and claim you mined it << because who asked them ?
jurov: eastern europe? pfffft, we have almost no local banks
jurov: all are subsidiaries of western-eurpoean banks
Namworld: It's completly serious too. They'll ask for it.
jurov: and they set the standards
blg: i didnt know that jurov
Namworld: Bitstamp must actually be USG funded.
pankkake: wow, I seriously thought you were joking
jurov: lol, so usg gave a tesla to nejc?
blg: bitstamp is a slovenian bank
jurov: no, they moved to uk
blg: the bank is still in slovenia
blg: they are just incorporated in the UK
jurov: they still send sepa transfers from slovenia? iirc i got the last one from the uk
blg: i could be completely wrong
blg: but when i was looking up their banking info on doing incoming wires
blg: it was a slovenian bank
Apocalyptic: jurov, well they received their SEPAs in the slovenian one
jurov: blg, to be fair, you can maybe use estonian banks
jurov: russians do, but cyprus-style crackdown is imminent
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jurov: afaik best is to create offshore corp and move money through it
jurov: i haven't needed that yet myself because no regulator figured bitcoins out here, but maybe next year
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