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mircea_popescu: log daybreak!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Makes sense
BingoBoingo: !up tokyopotato
BingoBoingo: tokyopotato: Consider a bouncer yet?
tokyopotato: hmm
tokyopotato: good idea
tokyopotato: didn't consider a need
tokyopotato: but now that im on IRC a lot...
asciilifeform: meanwhile:
asciilifeform: https://www.privacyinternational.org/blog/what-does-gchq-know-about-our-devices-that-we-dont
assbot: What does GCHQ know about our devices that we don't? | Privacy International
penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/contact-summary-18-25-may/
asciilifeform: in yet other news, a document attributed to the u.s. fellow who most recently 'went postal',
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/05/elliot-rodger.pdf
asciilifeform: very reminiscent of the piece quoted in http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes
assbot: The all-American asshole, in his own words, with my own notes pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48000848 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (can't say if genuine, but worth reading if only for the part where he describes devoting his life to... winning lottery.)
tokyopotato: lol asciilifeform
punkman: asciilifeform: kinda read the whole thing, was extremely repetitive
tokyopotato: i skimmed it
asciilifeform: not exactly masterpiece of english literature
tokyopotato: pretty sad, i mean lots of sad things happen, but what the hell, he basically committed a hate-crime against people who appeared to have better lives than him
tokyopotato: ugh
tokyopotato: spent many a nights partying in Isla Vista
BingoBoingo: I think the Rogers kid committed what is the ultimate sin in this channel, violence against his perceived and actual betters.
asciilifeform: committed a hate-crime against people who appeared to have better lives << funny how when you get enough bozos together and do the very same thing, it gets called 'revolution' and suddenly respectable.
mike_c: who remembers this much about their childhood?
punkman: he kept a diary
asciilifeform: mike_c: who remembers this much about their childhood << plenty of people. i do.
mike_c: hm. interesting. perhaps mine is repressed.
punkman: what about his ideal sexless world where everyone can be equal
tokyopotato: good point asciilifeform
tokyopotato: also good point BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: the weird thing is that they always stick to small arms.
Mats_cd03: punkman: 'diary' is emasculating, i prefer journal
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What amazes me is how as time goes on the shootem up derps become less effective. Few have surpased the Bell tower guy
tokyopotato: unless they got Uncle Sam to help 'em out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48002385 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that one knew how to... aim.
asciilifeform: !up tokyopotato
tokyopotato: danke
Mats_cd03: what surprises me is how shitty all of these kids are at massacres
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: afaik, the record of 'Happy Land' fire (87) remains unbroken.
asciilifeform: murder weapon: bottle of petrol.
Mats_cd03: (feds incoming) a determined shooter could easily stop on a highway overpass, unload on public place x, drive away and police up the brass later
tokyopotato: of course... but you have to consider motive
Mats_cd03: but i guess if you want to murder people, up close is preferred
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Catching the brass as it is ejected isn't too hard either.
tokyopotato: most of these psychos want to get caught
tokyopotato: because they want to die
tokyopotato: they throw a temper tantrum with guns in their hands
tokyopotato: waaaaaaa
Mats_cd03: you can buy things that do, but they alter the weight of the weapon
asciilifeform: even the several folks who drove trucks into a crowd, generally got considerably better results than the ones with small arms.
punkman: as far as rampages go, the bulldozer guy was pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA ☟︎
assbot: Killdozer Helicopter News Footage - YouTube
asciilifeform: killdozer fellow, afaik, killed no one.
BingoBoingo: Killdozer wins on the humanitarian angle
punkman: points for time. and style
Mats_cd03: is there a better protocol spec than the one on bitcoin.it
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You can compare bitcoind and btcd source
tokyopotato: tank guy killed a few i think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUoUKEIGoo
assbot: Stolen tank rampage - YouTube
BingoBoingo: bbtcd seems to be at the point where it is safe for mining off of
Mats_cd03: is there a document somewhere... i dont want to read more code
BingoBoingo: Not really. The power rangers fight documentation like the actual power rangers fought lord Zed
BingoBoingo: (Even though he was defeated in Pulp Fiction)
asciilifeform: at some point, we'll get the situation described in 1968 book 'stand on zanzibar' (j. brunner) where 'muckers' (amock) become a daily event, and people simply get used to it, in just the same way people accept traffic deaths as a 'cost of doing business.'
BingoBoingo: Eh, It's pretty much normalized in North St Louis.
asciilifeform: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/B/Br/Brunner_John_-_Stand_on_Zanzibar.pdf ☟︎
Mats_cd03: i agree these killing sprees are going to become more frequent
Mats_cd03: and it won't be broken rich children doing it
BingoBoingo: And the response to each one gets progressively more muted.
BingoBoingo: Rogers was by most 'Murican definitions a spoiled rich kid
Mats_cd03: its an impossible problem: there are just too many guns in north america
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Or there are roughly enough.
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: i'd rather be in a room with the small arms postal folk than with the 'happy land' arsonist.
Mats_cd03: either would be ok with me, as long as i had a beretta
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: if the idiots didn't (for whatever reason, known only to them) stick to small arms, with which (for some likewise unknown reason) they have no proficiency, they could actually do some real damage.
BingoBoingo: I imagine from a geopolitical point of view a lower North American gun ownership rate would have forced the Joint Stike fighter program to produce jets capable of fighting and striking
Mats_cd03: and this is why its going to get worse
Mats_cd03: the clever ones, like the clown of aurora infamy, or the mildly retarded but creative tsaernev brothers
asciilifeform: industrial civilization as we have it (esp. the u.s. variety) is fragile enough, one needn't make use of futuristic weapons to turn 'business as usual' into a nostalgic fantasy.
Mats_cd03: dudes on bikes with knives seems effective in .cn
BingoBoingo: I imagine the actual extortion scenario by America's creditors to extract repayment will involve measures other than on the ground occupation. Each late payment has a mid sized city get the dresden treatment.
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Andrenaline fueled retard strength makes knives more dangerous. They make firearms in the untrained hands less accurate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.019227 = 0.173 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Product niches I'm suprised aren't filled: .45 acp carbine
BingoBoingo: Would make a spectacular deer and varmint solution
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.04954094 = 0.2477 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik there's plenty
BingoBoingo: Subsonic so in places like the UK a hearing friendly bolt action variant could wind up in Price Philip's hands
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.030238 = 0.1512 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: beretta 'cx4' etc
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Oh, normally I see the newer (not lever stuff) centering around 9mm and .40
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in usa, pretty much every kind of small arms that makes logical sense (and a good number which don't) - exist.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For the most part, but some are diappointingly uncommon. (Bull barrel 9mm target pistols, .22 WMR semiautomatic rifles [coyotes and fat groundhogs], sub .22 caliber shotguns [spiders]
asciilifeform: spiders!
asciilifeform: what kind of spider needs to be shot?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You ever been to Missouri?
asciilifeform: or is this a peculiarly difficult sort of target practice
BingoBoingo: Very difficult target
asciilifeform: turns out 'shoot fly with a cannon' isn't merely a rhetorical device.
BingoBoingo: (Very fast spiders with painful though not very dangerous bite)
Mats_cd03: uh... the recluse?
BingoBoingo: No, reculse is slow and they bite you when you don't see them.
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking wolf spiders and some of the rock scorpions
asciilifeform: one generally finds spiders in enclosed spaces one wouldn't want to perforate
BingoBoingo: Low velocity rounds
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now i'm picturing your house looking like sherlock holmes's bedroom
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking .08 caliber ~300 fps
BingoBoingo: #36 bugshot
asciilifeform: http://camendesign.com/photo/sherlock_holmes/DSC00102.jpg
asciilifeform: !up tokyopotato
BingoBoingo: That right there is some art asciilifeform
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: thank conan doyle, not me
BingoBoingo: But seriously my thinking is air pellets are to large and penetrating in any sufficiently accurate arm for the purpose. Why not take the shotgun concept still smaller.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0975 = 0.975 BTC [+]
tokyopotato: i'd use a firearm on a tarantula for sure
asciilifeform: a load of salt would probably suffice for spider.
BingoBoingo: ATM I have to settle for putting cigarettes out on them.
asciilifeform recalls traditional laser bug zapper
BingoBoingo: Table salt could work for the current ones in Illinois, the hardier Missouri spiders might require something more though.
asciilifeform: http://mods-n-hacks.wonderhowto.com/how-to/mod-your-nes-duck-hunt-zapper-into-real-life-laser-gun-0139362
assbot: Mod Your NES Duck Hunt Zapper into a Real-Life Laser Gun « Hacks, Mods & Circuitry
asciilifeform: ^ modern variant
asciilifeform: http://www.northstreetlabs.org/Zapper.html
assbot: North Street Labs
BingoBoingo: I hate to think what my toy collection might look like if Plasmodium were a concern with the local mosquitoes this century
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, the lowly propane-powered mosquito oven is still the champ.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's even better if you can talk your neighbor into hosting the oven you purchased.
BingoBoingo: I imagine I guess as long it wasn't the falcipram subtype I might be able to get away with just drinking gin and actual tonic water over the summer.
asciilifeform: (for those who live where there is no mosquito: state of the art is a kind of gas lantern, where the outer mantle is heated around 37C, with a level of CO2 exhaust similar to human exhalation. inner mantle roasts the mosquito.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The good ones approximate bovine or elephantine exhalation.
asciilifeform: now that i live in a place with actual 'grounds', i might have to invest in said lantern.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is "west nile" a concern in your parts?
asciilifeform: theoretically.
BingoBoingo: Supposedly it is an actual perenial concern here now.
BingoBoingo: Shows up in nearly every bird sampled in this locality.
asciilifeform: re: mosquito:
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2013#357924 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BingoBoingo: Have yet to hear of a doctor testing for it ina person though
BingoBoingo: realzies: that conversation, ketamine seems to slowly be inching closer to psych approvals
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tricky thing - very narrow therapeutic window.
asciilifeform: (difference between a useful dose and lethal)
BingoBoingo: I imagine if approval happens it will be a similar situation to colchicine for gout, cheap drug suddenly goes expensive
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It isn't too narrow.
BingoBoingo: Also it isn't too hard to do right recreationally.
asciilifeform: many recreational chemistry aficionados have a sort of psychological block when it comes to self-injecting
BingoBoingo: It's metabolized by CYP3A4 so there aren't going to be big surprises liek there are with the cough syrups that take CYP2D6
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've not heard of that done with Ketamine. I've only known of recreational insulfation.
asciilifeform: where i worked, they had to pay people good money to take it.
asciilifeform: so, i imagine it is an 'acquired taste.'
BingoBoingo: From what I understand the supply for the recreational market is dehydrated vetrinary injection solutions.
asciilifeform: afaik it is readily available to veterenary folks working with large beasts - horse, etc
BingoBoingo: Then insulfated inulfated in small amounts due to a mystery over how much is ketamine and how much Nacl, until desired effect achieved
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is also used as a human anesthetic in the right surgical contexts
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in usa?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course.
asciilifeform: when?
BingoBoingo: When the patient has to be conscious
BingoBoingo: It is an interesting analgesic like that.
asciilifeform: epileptic craniotomy ?
BingoBoingo: And other open head surgeries. Also peripheral stuff after trauma when it is unsure if the brain can take general anesthesia or might require its own surgery.
BingoBoingo: Then there's the oral trials at many university hospitals of ketamine is various oral extended release devices for psych issues ranging from Major depression to PTSD to subtypes of schizophrenia
BingoBoingo: (When I operated buttons as a "TA" in distance pharmacy school lectures ketamine was the non-propofol anesthetic with the longest presentation)
BingoBoingo: NMDA is a receptor that gets a lot of wondering about and very little certainty of any "exact" role
BingoBoingo: !up tokyopotato
BingoBoingo: !up pigeons
BingoBoingo: And I mean... Ketamine is only schedule III
tokyopotato: Starting to love this channel
tokyopotato: Thx benkay for the invite
BingoBoingo: tokyopotato: You have to understand. This is less a channel about bitcoin and more a channel for people who are bitcoin.
tokyopotato: rgr that
BingoBoingo: tokyopotato: In that way the conversation can go wildly from the subject of bitcoin or subject that might be connected to bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: !up los_pantalones
BingoBoingo: los_pantalones: Nice low IP address there. I salute you.
BingoBoingo: !up cedivad
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/prosecutors-ex-lulzsec-hacker-sabu-helped-authorities-stop-300-cyberattacks/
assbot: Ex-LulzSec hacker Sabu sentenced to time served after disrupting 300 attacks | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: You know what would be really interesting, Bitbets with outer bounds constrained by factors other than time.
BingoBoingo: I think betting on the timeline for a Loper machine vs 150k BTC would be a mroe interesting bet than pinning the outcome on the date.
BingoBoingo: Then again BTC price signals suck
BingoBoingo: http://lemire.me/blog/archives/2014/05/23/you-shouldnt-use-a-spreadsheet-for-important-work-i-mean-it/
assbot: You shouldnt use a spreadsheet for important work (I mean it)
BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn
Evolyn: i got voice! yay! what to do with voice now? ^.-
BingoBoingo: Evolyn: You talk.
BingoBoingo: Evolyn: If it lapses you can pm people in assbot's L1 trust for voice
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Evolyn: why is this channel moderated anyway? some time ago it wasn't
BingoBoingo: Evolyn: It just happened.
BingoBoingo: Evolyn: I imagine it happened more because it could than it had to, though some worrying things happened.
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot Evolyn
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Evolyn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Evolyn | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Evolyn | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: Evolyn: What do you do?
BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn
Evolyn: most time just listening, sometimes there are usefull informations :)
BingoBoingo: Evolyn: Cool, do you try doing anything with your coins or do you just hold and watch the weather?
BingoBoingo: !up kill-9all
BingoBoingo: !up kill-9all
Evolyn: i try to increase my coins with several assets, more or less successfully :x
BingoBoingo: Evolyn: Cool.
BingoBoingo: Evolyn: Do you play altcoins, Havelock, Mpex, or something else.
BingoBoingo: Or is it something lucrative you'd prefer to keep quiet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: !facts
Evolyn: no altcoins, at the moment my focus is on asicminer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48000636 BTC [-]
Vexual: u gettin paid tommorrow
Vexual: bigtime
Evolyn: yes, i'm very curious about the share value, will it remain the current level or explode?
mike_c: big div coming?
Vexual: i dunno, i expect it'll pay a few atc at least
Vexual: or the equivalent therof
mike_c: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 200 Last Price: 163 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 3k@256 2k@220 40k@200 | 15k@160 10k@155 53k@152
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.019228 = 0.1731 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Looks like atc is swinging down for a wile
Vexual: it must be make or break time for them
BingoBoingo: Nah
Vexual: asicminer
BingoBoingo: It will persist. Asicminer though is prolly dying in BTC terms
Vexual: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 156844.83 in 242 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -65.56
BingoBoingo: Both revenue wise and capitalization wise
Vexual: what is it valued somewhere around the order of mpex?
Vexual: somewhere up in the ether of capable bc comapnies
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Asicminer's fallen quite a bit from where it was.
Vexual: yes
BingoBoingo: I doubt it can touch MPEx level market cap
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/joewalnes/status/471109567800434688
assbot: The latest trend in web-development: http://t.co/KayCFmSbBt
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: I think betting on the timeline for a Loper machine vs... << dammit i feel like the planet's slowest race horse now
asciilifeform: (as if the cardano bets weren't enough)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's alright. You are still on a better track than my Dublin Core Union catalog I proposed of everything I know of.
asciilifeform: Dublin Core Union ?
BingoBoingo: Well, it would be a Union Catalog (library thing) done in Dublin Core (the thing that ought to replace Marc)
BingoBoingo: Was going to try Koha
BingoBoingo: Encounter potential goxisms and got distracted by BTC.
BingoBoingo: I might pick a framework in the next 4 decades
BingoBoingo: Trying to do a semantic catalog so every thing is probably going to have to go LISP, but a machine for that is lacking since a 68040 can run circles around a Symbolics.
BingoBoingo: SO the project is a giant waiting game.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tried the emulated bolix ?
BingoBoingo: (I may or may not have commented on the Loper Blog well before my involvement in BTC) I drink too much to remember for sure, but MP's link wasn't my first exposure to it.
asciilifeform: there's an x64 emu
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Haven't tried the emulated Genera on Alpha thing I've seen
BingoBoingo: Or the Genera on x64 playing alpha
asciilifeform: it's not an alpha emu. kalman reti (if i recall) actually ported the alpha g-machine emu to x64
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: I do have to say though that BTC has to have been the most fortuitous thing that could have happened to loper
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how's that
Vexual: 68040 is a powerpc?
asciilifeform: Vexual: nope
BingoBoingo: SKipping production FPGA's and going to a foundry after testin VHDL, if miners can do it on the cheap...
BingoBoingo: Vexual: 68040 is motorola
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this was SOP long before the miners
BingoBoingo: Vexual: From the last great Apple computers
Vexual: ug my morale when im nothing without google
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but knowing just how little BFL et al can pay for chips and get their scam on...
BingoBoingo: There is a lot more data now on small chip runs on cutting edge processes than there may have been since i486
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you probably know that miners are financed via their own very peculiar scheme.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
asciilifeform: likewise, small chip runs were SOP (engineering students) for ages.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but someone has to pay for Josh Zerlan's house on eht egreen
asciilifeform: chip fab still costs $maxint.
BingoBoingo: And the Hashfast spic's entire recovery from fire
asciilifeform: in 2010 i somehow imagined the mining thing would spur experiments in kitchen cuprous oxide fabs, other exotica, etc. but no dice.
BingoBoingo: Well, 2 digit BTC sums soon enough will have to be float
BingoBoingo: I just have to say I am so disappointed in 2010 me for not buying blocks of 10,000 BTC from Sirius and New Liberty
asciilifeform: apparently, chumpatronics are more appealing than semiconductor research in jungle conditions. whod'avethunkit.
BingoBoingo: Then again 2010 was they year I restructured my biocumputer with copious amounts of Lithium
BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn
BingoBoingo: Doctorow is the worst kind of hack http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/05/you-are-not-a-digital-native-privacy-in-the-age-of-the-internet
assbot: You Are Not a Digital Native: Privacy in the Age of the Internet | Tor.com
asciilifeform: (afaik miner folks are entirely innocent of any kind of innovation in silicon fab, only chumpatronics)
Evolyn: where do i learn more about how to auth with gribble and so on?
Vexual: u tink someone clever will make a sha256 chip to end the game ascii?
BingoBoingo: Evolyn: There are guides online at http://bitcoin-otc.com/
assbot: #bitcoin-otc
asciilifeform: Vexual is posting through a time warp ?
Evolyn: thanks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Always
BingoBoingo: Evolyn: If you need coaching most anyone here can be had by the hour
BingoBoingo: Evolyn: If you are the gui sort of person this guide works well http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/
assbot: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog
Vexual: yeah but thats not the point, i just don't understand \
BingoBoingo: Vexual always types through a warp.
Vexual: i know mining has changed
BingoBoingo: Sometime it is through time, othertimes through space
Vexual: price once drove mining
Vexual: now friedcat has to buy btc to pay dividends and the whole dollar exchange moves like the moon is about to hit
Vexual: id like to know what the third wave will look like
BingoBoingo: Vexual: I image mining will stay similar for some time.
BingoBoingo: Just staying a generation or two behind intel
Vexual: surely its still 90% hobbyists
BingoBoingo: Nah,
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: american bureaucrats recently decided that a btc-usd converter that simply rents out mining capacity doesn't count as 'exchange'
asciilifeform: so this is likely to attract chumpatronic engineers like shit/flies
asciilifeform: this'll be 'next wave'
asciilifeform: ye read it here phurst
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course because BTC is property. Miner is like an Iland builder
asciilifeform: (tm)
Vexual: isnt that whats happening now?
BingoBoingo: Buy miner create your own aleutian
Vexual: how much does one need to solo atc?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: If you get a used 400ghs Bitfury you could do swell
asciilifeform: naive engineer / worker bee might imagine that 'next wave' is gallium arsenide, eldrich optical cpu, etc. - but nope.
asciilifeform: 100% of the ingenuity in mining seems to concern the extraction of chumpatronium from existing natural reserves.
BingoBoingo: Electrons remain more tangible than photons
BingoBoingo: Also it has been about 24 hours, any other thoughs on the blog's new linen background?
asciilifeform: sorta how you can get usable gasoline via uranium carbide + h2o. but this is -EV.
asciilifeform: why diddle caustics in a dark basement, breathe unspeakable gasses, when you can scamzor.
asciilifeform: that seems to be the alpha and omega of mining as a field.
thestringpuller: scamzor how? fake hashes?
thestringpuller: aka labcoin?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: look into how every asic run to date was paid for.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Promises of unrealistic returns
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, it's definitely more readable
thestringpuller: ASIC's still exist tho, just piss poor managed...
asciilifeform: 1) collect usd, coin, whatever from chumps 2) bake chips 3) mine for six months, boost difficulty 4) profit !!11! 5) hand over now-marginally-useless hardware to idiots
thestringpuller: it is -EV like any commodity...
thestringpuller: didnt mpoepr point that out in relation to t
thestringpuller: capital investment in textiles in bershire hathaways early days?
asciilifeform: lotto tickets are also -ev, but there is no shortage of buyers.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My favorite part is how Avalon, first ASIC manufacterer pioneered this on batch one and got burned when other people caught on
thestringpuller: Avalon had no management. just a chinese guy in a basement...
asciilifeform: afaik, every existing miner asic vendor started this way
thestringpuller: thats kinda sad. mining is powered by scamming
asciilifeform: this is not even touching the subject of 'dark matter'
thestringpuller: does that make it a house of cards? one day the difficilty plummets when the cards fall?
asciilifeform: i.e. hashing power of non-public asic projects, disguised as whatever you want (as 10,000 gpu folks, say) via means familiar to any spammer.
BingoBoingo: ASICminer started differently hence the 0.1BTC to 6 BTC share price, but the introduction of efficient markets knocked them down.
thestringpuller: all mining bonds have depreciating returns over time..
asciilifeform: the most profitable means of obtaining mining hardware remains: to sneak hashing core onto a die that is being fabbed anyway, for some unrelated purpose.
asciilifeform: that there is no public proof of this taking place does not change the fact.
thestringpuller: or a botnet...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: calculate the size of botnet needed to equal even an obsolete asic.
thestringpuller: hmm
thestringpuller: lets say a normal pc = 120kh
thestringpuller: ;;genrate .12
gribble: The expected generation output, at 0.12 Mhps, given difficulty of 10455720138.5, is 5.77184365805e-09 BTC per day and 2.40493485752e-10 BTC per hour.
thestringpuller: ;;calc 20000 / .12
gribble: 166666.666667
thestringpuller: yeaaaa....
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: My shitty AMD E350 gets about 3.5 MH/s on cpu alone
thestringpuller: ;;calc 20000 / .12
gribble: 166666.666667
thestringpuller: ;;calc 20000 / 3.5
gribble: 5714.28571429
thestringpuller: thats actually an average sized botnet tho
BingoBoingo: 128 kh/s is about an original Intel atom on 2009 software
BingoBoingo: before sha-256 optimizations
thestringpuller: the added advantage of a botnet is you dont pay for electricity...you are stealing it
BingoBoingo: Well, for that any Keiser endorsed coin is the new mo
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/471485238250442752
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BingoBoingo: Assbot seems to show the text of the wrong tweet in conversation
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: tuy
BingoBoingo: I was hoping to display "@Five9 Or you could die in a fire. The lipids in your body would ensure a #cloud of smoke."
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Thank you for the feedback
thestringpuller: oh BingoBoingo you make me yearn for a day when we can drink beer and watch the Cardinals
Vexual: thestringpuller: the added advantage of a botnet is you dont pay for electricity...you are stealing it << the world is a closed system, look past 6.75bc blocks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00430422 = 0.8608 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well, it has been 36 hours now since te last dose of antibiotics and there is a bit of itch, but nothing seeming serious.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: If you want to come to Busch III what teams on the schedule seem interesting?
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/Ackerman1120/status/471486130152435712
assbot: First ever complete game for Lance Lynn. At any professional level. Good for him. /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash
BingoBoingo: If anyone here has Lance Lynn on a fantasy baseball team... Now might be a good time to dump or trade him.
thestringpuller: ~_~
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/471486885794021378
assbot: Lance Lynn with his first career shutout. /hashtag/STLCards?src=hash now with an NL-most nine this yr. Also first team in Majors to have three 6-gm winners.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well are you more interesting in a competitive game or a home town win?
thestringpuller: hmm. that's a really good point...
thestringpuller: they are both fun to watch
thestringpuller: a shutout can be boring sometimes
BingoBoingo: If there is one thing Matheney knows other than hating porn, he never skips rotation spots
Vexual: game every time
BingoBoingo: So picking a date for a Waino or Wacha game would be awfully feasible through the end of the regular season
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: So apparently in late July the Rays come to StL. Could be some interesting games if Odorizzi is pitching.
thestringpuller: hmm sounds like it's meant to be
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I'll try to do some rotation math. The day after the last Rays game is probably the Combine demolition derby in my home town, but I dunno if you can take that much white trash.
BingoBoingo: Odorizzi is the one thing my Highschool did right (a few years after I graduated there)
BingoBoingo: Dude broke an aluminum bat with a pitch sometime during the state playoffs.
BingoBoingo: Shame he isn't with Oakland
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: So doing my sloppy math July 22nd should be a Waino start and the 23rd should be a Wacha start.
BingoBoingo: (Math consisted of moving the mouse from day to day on the calendar and saying (Waino, Wacha... Lynn, Miller, Garcia...) in rhythm
BingoBoingo: )
BingoBoingo: Of course the weekend after the Rays series the Cardinals play the Cubs.
BingoBoingo: Of course with the current rotation that lines up as Lynn, Miller, Garcia for Friday, Saturday and Sunday respectively.
thestringpuller: damn you're good at calculating bullpen rotation...
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It isn't me. It's that Matheney never skips rotation spots.
thestringpuller: I can only assume when Kimbrel comes out at a Braves game as a closer.
thestringpuller: I see...
BingoBoingo: Even if it means it shitstain liek lions pitches an extra game
thestringpuller: My dad complains about that a lot about the Braves...
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: It works good when it maximizes everyone's rest
BingoBoingo: Sucks when you have a lance Lynn though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 533 @ 0.00422342 = 2.2511 BTC [-] {10}
thestringpuller: i can't believe that guy is my age...
thestringpuller: Damn I feel old *sigh*
thestringpuller: where'd my youth fucking go
BingoBoingo: Honestly of all the Cardinals starters the one who is best to watch is Joe Kelly, but he is on the DL and staying ther until someone else gets injured
thestringpuller: oh yea college
thestringpuller: fucking undergrad...
BingoBoingo: college slays us all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 228 @ 0.00415433 = 0.9472 BTC [-] {5}
thestringpuller: wise words
BingoBoingo: If I could pick two years of life to do over it would have been the first run at grad school
thestringpuller: man i don't even know if i have the fortitude to attempt it
thestringpuller: !up vexual
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well my first attempt was in philosophy at SIU Carbondale. Second run at a Masters was Mizzou for Libarary science.
BingoBoingo: Second stint I picked up a Master's, first stint I picked up a sense for the hustle
thestringpuller: the hustle is all that matters
thestringpuller: !up Phraust
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Everyone needs one
thestringpuller: yes they do. it's not what we do, but what we leave behind...
BingoBoingo: That
BingoBoingo: Feels so good to IRC drunk again
thestringpuller: glad you can drink again ;)
thestringpuller: what would a baseball game be without beer
BingoBoingo: Hell
BingoBoingo: Or an exercise in sweating the fantasy team
Vexual: 2dogs!
Vexual: and all them beerzs
BingoBoingo: Hey peterl
BingoBoingo: Been a while
peterl: hi yall
peterl: I lurk and read the logs mostly
BingoBoingo: peterl: In 'Murica?
peterl: yup, Michigan
BingoBoingo: peterl: Cool
BingoBoingo: I wonder if anyone here could actually hold an American Bitcoin conference
dub: why would one want to?
BingoBoingo: dub: Why would N.W.A. rap?
peterl: I've never been to a bitcoin conference, not even sure if I have ever met another bitcoiner.
BingoBoingo: peterl: thestringpuller and I are talking about catching a baseball game. Miguel Cabrera?
thestringpuller: N.W.A rapped cause it was their hustle
BingoBoingo: ^
peterl: Tigers?
thestringpuller: interesting now that Dr. Dre is a billionaire
peterl: I don't know much baseball
thestringpuller: and Jay-Z is still pumping out albums...
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Dre won that hustle
thestringpuller: yea and he has 2 albums
thestringpuller: i doubt Detox will ever come out
thestringpuller: smart man for someone who clumsily rhymes...
BingoBoingo: peterl: Who has a better batting average; Wainwright or Verlander?
peterl: hmm, I would guess Wainwright, but I honestly have no clue
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Dre's point was never rhymes, it was selling beats
thestringpuller: ^- no pun intended? ;)
BingoBoingo: peterl: Well Verlander prides himself on his all zeros batting average.
thestringpuller: I think an American bitcoin conference would best be at a baseball game...
thestringpuller: for some reason.
thestringpuller: Or a Jazz concert.
thestringpuller: /club
peterl: ball game and then go out for beer afterward at a nice jazz club
BingoBoingo: I am actually surprisingly sad the Soft TOuch is no longer a place
dub: the only murican buttcoin con -assets is going to is at guantanamo bay
dub: cockmeat sandwiches all round
peterl: I thought Obama promised to close that down during his first election campaign, why is it still a thing?
BingoBoingo: peterl: Cause Nigga lied
BingoBoingo: dub: These things can happen, but for specifics, gpg, subtlety
thestringpuller: peterl: because no one actually knows what Obama does
peterl: hope and change, and hope that the change isn't too harmful
Mats_cd03: because he can't get congress to front the money
thestringpuller: no one even knows what congress does...
thestringpuller: the country is bankrupt and probably some shadow organization is running the show
peterl: you're saying it would cost money to close it down? Wouldn't that save money?
thestringpuller: dunno maybe the US is holding onto UFO's so the powers that be let it run...
thestringpuller puts on his tin foil hat
BingoBoingo: !up bgupta
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual sips
Vexual: ahhhhh
Vexual: zing
Vexual: la chingasa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00080897 = 16.3412 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up smidge
Vexual: so i guess synthetic yeast will be about as synthetic as phrethrum isn't a mutagen
Vexual: not but kinda and stop asking stupid questions
thestringpuller: i wish mutagens would give super powers
Vexual: and skype is an iternet protocol
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Lots of yeasts suck.
BingoBoingo: And will suck. No human interaction required.
BingoBoingo: See Candidia
BingoBoingo: !up realzies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.0008106 = 27.8036 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: whatsd the deal with canadia?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: It is part of your normal flora, but once it goes out of control, you are doomed, to either itch or die
Vexual: this is why 'nubbins must change his xl underwear so oft?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: That and Meese
Vexual: mooses
benkay: BingoBoingo: what was the upshot of the bsdcast?
BingoBoingo: benkay: This one not too much for the initiated. THere was question time, but it was mostly a "OpenBSD is this" cast
benkay: i still don't know what OpenBSD is.
rithm: #openbsd
rithm: hashtag it yo
Vexual: its a wiiu without the pretty pictures
benkay: oh ffs give me half a credit, rithm
Vexual: or a ps4
BingoBoingo: benkay: It is the most code correct of the x86-64 unices
rithm: all you gotta do is #yoloswag and then boom double click twitterverse
BingoBoingo: Other than that... It is a better option for that Mac SE/30 than Netbsd
Vexual: what to run on last macbook powerpc?
Vexual: dont say lion
Vexual: lion
Vexual: shit
moiety: i flipping missed it BB, my door went. but you can start it anytime i think
BingoBoingo: moiety: The presentation?
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
benkay: ;;later tell tokyopotato remind me to tell you how to set yourself up to self-voice sometime
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: yep
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47885018 = 0.9577 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: <Mats_cd03> its an impossible problem: there are just too many guns in north america << au contraire, there aren't nearly enough and people are too afraid to use them. until people get it into their heads that self-defense with an equalizer is now a requirement for personal safety, the sprees will continue
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: ta
Vexual: is tokyopotato the gox guy?
benkay: tokyopotato writes for coinjoint
benkay: into pothead alts
benkay: the pothead alt war is somewhat hilarious
Vexual: coinjoint link?
benkay: in the 5-year-olds running into glass doors way
benkay: ;;google coinjoint
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benkay: see, it ain't hard Vexual
Vexual: yeah i don't like to annoy gribs too much
benkay: the point is that you could have googled it for it yourself.
BingoBoingo: benkay: thestringpuller and I are imagineering a 'Murican -assets meet. Plan on StL in July?
Vexual: fuck that im having a block party
Vexual: (reward halving)
benkay: is StL any good?
BingoBoingo: benkay: As long as you stay out of North City
benkay: hm yeah.
Vexual: 0 dogecoin cars, helicopter/fastboat trasfers included
benkay: what's the story with accomodations and itinerary?
Vexual: all included for 1 bc
cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/ top kek
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BingoBoingo: benkay: So far thestringpuller wants to pick my brain so I'm covered by him. For a good hotel I recommend the fourseasons attached to th elumiere
Vexual: andreas first name?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: I think his last name is Suckadick
benkay: BingoBoingo: in principle i'm interested
Vexual: hmmm cant seem to find that
Vexual: so much misinfo
benkay: so who is this Evolyn ?
BingoBoingo: benkay: ATM we pretty much have potential starting pitchers mapped out and are down to the bottom of JUly for dates
BingoBoingo: Evolyn is a quiet oldster
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0975 = 0.78 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn
Vexual: moistest cakes on the planet
Vexual: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqSamWrbb5Y
Vexual: atc only
Vexual: was camel flu in the bible?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EKqQWPjyo
assbot: Bob Dylan - Things Have Changed - YouTube
Mats_cd03: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/25/us/final-word-on-us-law-isnt-supreme-court-keeps-editing.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/471303059159912449
assbot: The chief judge still just has one vote, but it seems symbolically important at least.
BingoBoingo: Just an FYI I may be a bit plastered, I am celebrating good health with a bit of booze
Vexual: salut
BingoBoingo: Thank you Vexual
Vexual: thats not the proper response, but you're most welsome
Vexual: i hope
Mats_cd03: http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/05/opinion-analysis-more-power-to-stop-high-speed-chases
assbot: Opinion analysis: More power to stop high-speed chases : SCOTUSblog
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KaWSOlASWc
assbot: Lou Reed - Walk On The Wild Side (With Lyrics) - YouTube
Mats_cd03: lol
Mats_cd03: didn't expect a song about transgender blowjobs
Vexual: le assets
BingoBoingo: I gave https://twitter.com/mwlauthor the explicit invitation here so if he shows and I am passed out vomitting on myself please show him the proper courtesies.
assbot: Michael W Lucas (mwlauthor) auf Twitter
Vexual: im not sure if asembly web is a joke or not
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Assume it is real until proven otherwise
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: that is my ery method
Vexual: *veryu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00080839 = 17.8654 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: droppin like a stone
Vexual: sqls ghotta be a bitch tho
moiety: glad to hear youre feeling better BB
BingoBoingo: I think the web would be much better is SPARC64 assembly killed Javascript
BingoBoingo: moiety: Thanks
Mats_cd03: laughable
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Is it really that laughable when bullshit like javascript.asm is proposed?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfpRm-p7qlY
assbot: The Jam - Town Called Malice - YouTube
Mats_cd03: programmers can't even write safe code in high level languages
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: And thus they need to write for saner architectures
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: The choices as they were in 1975 remain C and LISP
BingoBoingo: Languages can only be so safe. So... fix the underlying arcitecture.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 87 @ 0.03751522 = 3.2638 BTC [-] {8}
Mats_cd03: and the world spins on, vulnerable and all
Vexual: tru dat
BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You spent time at Lost in the Woods, I was in CoMo, we both had to deal with spiders of inordinate size
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/471521830466252800
assbot: /TrueBitcoinGirl Brock is a bonafide Chomo, you didn't "invest" in Usagi's Nyan.A by any chance did you?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.0001 = 0.6 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.0001 = 0.25 BTC [-]
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/embed/JvMXVHVr72A so future
assbot: DIE ANTWOORD - PITBULL TERRIER - YouTube
BingoBoingo: !up csshih
Vexual: so crypot
csshih: thank you sir :)
BingoBoingo: csshih: Did I ever tell you you deliver light fast?
Vexual: indeed
Vexual: spivate fibre
csshih: BingoBoingo, reasonably fast :)
csshih has been distracted by watch dogs
BingoBoingo: csshih: You were a bit faster than reasonably
csshih: normally they go out same day but there was a weekend oops
BingoBoingo: csshih: Still you beat overstock.bomb by miles
Mats_cd03: basically the same place, de-gentrified by different 18-25y/o populations
Mats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeh6jhHLgtg
assbot: Aesop Rock-None Shall Pass - YouTube
Mats_cd03: fargo the tv show is too good. if you haven't watched it, now is the time
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You seen the new Hannibal show?
Mats_cd03: yeah, the finale this season was amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
BingoBoingo: Most amazing is how much less explicitly gay it is while still somehow being gayer
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Vexual: mats meet sme at the 808 state
csshih: lol thanks BingoBoingo :)
BingoBoingo: csshih: If only you sold old unix workstations
Mats_cd03: i dunno what youre referencing
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: the drum machine on my last track
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: The Hannibal Verger Sodomy from the original Red Dragon of course
Vexual: remember when you were 15 and bnb was basass?
BingoBoingo: In the books and movies Hannibal and Mason fucked.
Mats_cd03: o
Vexual: u feelin it?
Vexual: the roland synth came alongside like so muxh scrypt
csshih: BingoBoingo, lol, I have sold server components but they're all modern ;P
Mats_cd03: Vexual: still not tracking, dude.
csshih: have sold at least 5tb of ecc rdimms
Vexual: wait mano, im playing your shit
Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: oh i haven't read the books. i prefer the tv adaptation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: bnb -> bed and breakfast?
Vexual: typo, drum and bass
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: The books are close to the films if you go Manhunter, Silence, Hanibal and ignore the origin bullshit
BingoBoingo: csshih: Any sparc or Xserve G5 stuff?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 133 @ 0.00401277 = 0.5337 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: ;;seen thickasthieves
gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 0 hours, 54 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> that's kinda the question, it's not about the specifics
Vexual: ;;help
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
Mats_cd03: i remember pendulum, but i mostly listened to hiphop as an angsty youth
Vexual: ;;2 coins
gribble: Error: "2" is not a valid command.
Vexual: i thought you were gribble fgor a second
Vexual: i i don't really know what im talking about, but ill play this
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jQ_bOP0HfY
assbot: 808 State - Pacific State - YouTube
Mats_cd03: gribble is omniscient
BingoBoingo: http://www.bitcoin-girl.com/bitcoin-the-society/#comment-140
assbot: Bitcoin - the Society | Bitcoin GirlBitcoin Girl
FabianB: !t m S.MG
assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0.0000901 / 0.00009856 / 0.00009939 (335 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.0000901 / 0.00009956 / 0.00012399 (22335 shares, 2.22 BTC), 30D: 0.0000901 / 0.00010055 / 0.00013 (25556 shares, 2.57 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (2409 shares, 0.52 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021528 / 0.00021726 (1154009 shares, 248.44 BTC)
Vexual: 808 is a time and a place
BingoBoingo: I MUST WONDER HOW CAN MPIF TRADE SO CERTAINLY WHEN NOONE KNOWS HOW I DID!!!
Vexual: hordes expect uy do well
BingoBoingo: Like... This misses the entire point of the Hannibal Lecter lore. Hannibal is, and always was they devil... In the most primal and Italian sense.
BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn
moiety: I've met Brian Cox, I'm unsure if i want to see the tv hannibal
BingoBoingo: moiety: TV hannibal is actually lovely in the aesthetic sense
BingoBoingo: !up napedia
moiety: but is he hannibal though
Mats_cd03: http://vimeo.com/92990850
assbot: Let It Go [A$AP Ferg x Queen Elsa from Frozen] on Vimeo
Vexual: i punched muhhumad ali in the mouth and he didnt notice
moiety refuses to click anything relating to frozen
BingoBoingo: moiety: When Mads gets to business he is more chilling than antony
Mats_cd03: meh, its no good til 1m anyway
Mats_cd03: frozen is my new favorite sexy time movie/soundtrack
Mats_cd03: ...i think something is wrong with me, but the doctors can't say
moiety: welcome to celibacy
BingoBoingo: Ouch
Mats_cd03: lol
moiety: seriously, i know i haven't seen it but whats the fuss about frozen
BingoBoingo: My scrotum neatly rotted off these past few weeks and no one hit my viewing preferences that hard
Mats_cd03: its likely to be considered a disney classic 20 years from now
moiety: i lasted 5 minutes of nightmare before christmas before the signing became too much
moiety: singing*
Vexual: \https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ixnqRyfzU
Mats_cd03: good track
Vexual: 808 state
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC-8mgpnbus
assbot: Hannibal Homage to Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi - YouTube
Mats_cd03: i have yet to see this movie
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: That mashup is three movies
Mats_cd03: too much culture to be absorbed in a lifetime
moiety: definitely films to see
BingoBoingo: But the current tv actor is more into the part than anthony, for better or worse...
moiety: my brother felt that way about brian too though. he never liked anthony, thought he didn't fit the books as well
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qJfmdx2uDY
assbot: Ian Brown - F.E.A.R.(Mr Rich & Billy Kenny Remix) - YouTube
moiety: speaking of cannabilism, there is an artist who decided to eat his own hip bone. he had it replaced and told doctors he wanted to use it in an art piece. then, when he was boiling the meat off the bone, just decided to have a nibble
BingoBoingo: Mads Mikkelson gets extremely scar and extremely textually correct
Vexual: there might be 500 chefs worldwide that can cook kangaroo propery, and that includes cooks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 36966 @ 0.0001 = 3.6966 BTC [-]
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wtncm2yzUE
assbot: Billy Bunks - Strumpets - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Push those requests to MP, he's got the meat experts nao
Vexual: im forbes, tell him latert
Vexual: the difference between fucked roo and good roo is about a million dollars
Vexual: or 12.50
BingoBoingo: http://www.vice.com/read/a-bum-without-a-country-0000326-v21n5
assbot: Mike Gogulski Might Be the First Case of Successful Voluntary Statelessness | VICE United States
Vexual: my tv pushes vice at me
Vexual: i love 2014
Vexual: korean poo swillers et all
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOq2lmHpylI
assbot: Ariana Grande - Problem ft. Iggy Azalea (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube
Vexual: waitr wot?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Plz get in the WoT so you can self up
Vexual: ill pay for it anyway
BingoBoingo: Vexual: I up you because you are the best legacy personality to up
Vexual: i will a
BingoBoingo: Vexual: 16wAZSsL8BFNFM8WCsrE8pwwFkhDErWiok is you ever pay for the priveledge
Vexual: are you asking for tribute?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Maybe???
Vexual: ok
Vexual: you probaby make more money than me u cheeky bitch
BingoBoingo: Vexual: How can you know, BTC and all
Vexual: u knw my shit u fkn wzrsd
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Don't make me invoke rm recursive on your filesystem...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00081156 = 7.0606 BTC [+] {4}
Vexual: still i respect the request
Vexual: your powers of bullshit are enviable
moiety: !up Evolyn
moiety: !up napedia
Vexual: i will tribute if you can drink with me
Vexual: or both
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b8erWuBA44
assbot: Mariah Carey - Touch My Body - YouTube
Vexual: why would i wot
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zR6ROjoOX0
assbot: Iggy Azalea - Work (Explicit) - YouTube
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: really Vexual...Mariah Carey?
Vexual: that was a joke iggy azalea is real
fluffypony: the realest of reals
fluffypony: the kiefest of the kief
Vexual: tru dat
Vexual: mmm
Vexual: maybe notso
fluffypony: the kwai-est of the kwai?
Vexual: yahmon
Vexual: you been japon?
Vexual: have you been to japan?
fluffypony: nope
fluffypony: it's on my list
Mats_cd03: 46M views...
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Mats_cd03: there is softcore porn with better lyrics
Vexual: lol do it
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fluffypony: I want to go to Japan and visit the hallowed halls of Karpeles
fluffypony: bathe in the shallow pools of Goxcoins
moiety: !up Vexual
moiety: !up xmj
fluffypony: climb the peaks of Mt Gox and see its carnage
Vexual: ty lady
fluffypony: Vexual: seriously, the WoT isn't that complicated :)
moiety: lol fluffypony there's nothing to bathe in, he ate them all
Vexual: i dont know what naphex iz
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HLY1NTe04M
assbot: Mark Ronson feat. Amy Winehouse - Valerie ft. Amy Winehouse - YouTube
xmj: thanks
xmj: stupid corporate network blocks ssh, so having a VPS running irssi isn't any use at all.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WutGkPePnCU
assbot: Black Eyed Peas My Humps Outro "So Real" Cleanly Edited Extended Version - YouTube
Vexual: ;;2coins
gribble: Error: "2coins" is not a valid command.
punkman: morning
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: ty
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkUAz6zGIjA
assbot: Snoop Dogg - 12 Round Here - Blue Carpet Treatment - YouTube
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn9tRAKaDM8
assbot: Buck 65 (w/ Jenn Grant) - Who By Fire (Leonard Cohen) - YouTube
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Vexual: savage
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 14 @ 0.1245897 = 1.7443 BTC [-]
Vexual: ;;google tin pan orange the tide
gribble: Tinpan Orange - The Tide - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4swt3S4SpA>; Tinpan Orange - The Counting Song@the Corner 14/02/08 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWkKeAQ-Gac>; Tinpan Orange - Bottle of Whiskey (LIVE) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VloMqAHqJb0>
Vexual: puinkman
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punkman: http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702304811904579586283430862854-lMyQjAxMTA0MDIwNjEyNDYyWj
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xmj: there.
Mats_cd03: mp's twitter activity has now drawn 70+ comments in a reddit thread
pankkake: link
Mats_cd03: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/
assbot: Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him. : Bitcoin
punkman: ahaha
pankkake: always worse than expected, reddit delivers
Mats_cd03: make that 90+
Mats_cd03: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o1hj/serious_threats_of_violence_leveled_at_andreas/
assbot: Serious threats of violence leveled at Andreas Antonopoulos : Bitcoin
pankkake: https://github.com/django/django/pull/2718
assbot: Change `master` branch into `primary` by Feminist-Software-Foundation Pull Request #2718 django/django GitHub
fluffypony: LOL
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/chswwc7 obviously modded down to hell
assbot: imahotdoglol comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.
pankkake: and this is why reddit can never be used as a proper discussion platform
fluffypony: wow
fluffypony: that is truly special
pankkake: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/master.asp
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punkman: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27599373
assbot: BBC News - Skype to get 'real-time' translator
Mats_cd03: excellent
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/26oad4/life_threat_against_andreas_on_twitter_xpost/chswqwq lel
assbot: Battle78 comments on Life threat against Andreas on Twitter [x-post /r/bitcoin]
punkman: pankkake: such detective
Mats_cd03: so nsa can mine every conversation ever
Mats_cd03: brought to you by Microsoft
pankkake: so no one talked about how asicminer didn't release either divs or financials?
pankkake: it was supposed to happen yesterday
Naphex: mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/30aF4M3.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00400126 = 0.7042 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=628206.0 wat
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fluffypony: http://kindofnormal.com/img/wumo/2014/05/22.jpg
pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/869/satoshi-nakamoto-to-win-nobel-prize-in-economics/ lol at approving this
assbot: BitBet - Satoshi Nakamoto to win Nobel Prize in Economics in 2014 :: 0.01 B (5%) on Yes, 0.21 B (95%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 99`560 (100`000 to 1)
pankkake: I'll never get it I guess…
fluffypony: it's not the mods job to not approve nonsensical bets
fluffypony: as long as they have a measurable outcome
pankkake: except it that case bitbet will lose 0.01 BTC
pankkake: well, a bit less
pankkake: they usually refuse a lot of nonsensical bets
fluffypony: maybe they know something we don't, pankkake
fluffypony: :-P
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/ripple-price-rebound-ceo-7-billion-xrp-donation/
assbot: Ripple Price Rebounds After CEO Pledges 7 Billion XRP Donation
mircea_popescu: !up adrrr
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 570.54, Best ask: 571.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.36000, Last trade: 571.9, 24 hour volume: 11793.99796239, 24 hour low: 558.0, 24 hour high: 590.0, 24 hour vwap: 574.299326532
mircea_popescu: omfg im going to end up stacking 8 of these "connections" to get something that actually works.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00080776 = 7.5526 BTC [-]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think you get an award
fluffypony: 135 comments on Reddit thus far
mircea_popescu: on ?
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/
assbot: Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: lmao
fluffypony: Redditors are baying for blood after you threatened the great Andreas
mircea_popescu: well this should surely be interesting.
mircea_popescu: the thing is, i will kill the dude, if bitcoin becomes anything other than the tool of privilege
mircea_popescu: and im not gonna use twitter to do it.
mircea_popescu: the effort seems akin to your house being on fire and you trying to put it out by "videodocumenting" it.
fluffypony: Redditards gonna 'tard
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny tho, you know ? russia invades the ukraine, let's downvote putin's facebook profile
mircea_popescu: THAT'LL SHOW HIM
mircea_popescu: because it's the only thing we got, and it's quite inconceivable anything we heard about could not care about the only thing we got. why, that'd almost mean we're irrelevant in the world!
adrrr: http://www.wefunkradio.com/radio
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adrrr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohHnHcBFSqY&index=51&list=PL3VEijJnpcBCLVWmDUI5ZnopGU7UJEWv2 good shit !
assbot: Can't hold on - M.e.d. - YouTube
fluffypony: http://np.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/26on56/episode_ii_attack_of_the_neckbeards/
assbot: Episode II: Attack of the Neckbeards. : Buttcoin
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: what's that do ?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00080776 = 32.7951 BTC [-]
Naphex: what is up with BlockChain.info lately
Naphex: it lags 10+ minutes behind transactions
ThickAsThieves: still sick :(
mircea_popescu: Naphex, it does trhat occasionally ever since forever
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/
assbot: This is me being completely spaced out pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: add it to reddit. "mp answers"
fluffypony: LOL
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/cht189a
assbot: fluffyponyza comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.
fluffypony: there
ThickAsThieves: lol i just saw the reddit prviliege reactions
pankkake: not enough discussion about the beard, weird for reddit
ThickAsThieves: well give them 2 minutes to say he must be high to say things like he does (pic as evidence)
pankkake: "Andreas Antonopoulos is nothing but endless hyperbole (blockchain technology, the white man, it's more than a currency, satoshi was a woman etc etc)" lol did he really say satoshi was a woman?
fluffypony: ask cazalla
cazalla: yeah, on the joe rogan podcast
ThickAsThieves: i'm going to write a book about bitcoin systematics and be a bitcoin jesus, later guys
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/chsziq6
assbot: Vloxxity comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.
ThickAsThieves: i like that his "personal biographical site" has a donate page http://antonopoulos.com/donate/
assbot: Donate | Andreas M. Antonopoulos
pankkake: "i think he has got a point. that why we need alternatives to give others a chance for example." lol
pankkake: what's wrong with donations?
pankkake: except the lol of the "I will use these donations in a variety of ways including"
ThickAsThieves: i dunno, i dont like seeing donation solicitations on a website that isnt an original stream of free content, or from a nonprofit org
ThickAsThieves: i guess it gets grey
pankkake: there's his blog
ThickAsThieves: is there? oh
ThickAsThieves: i'm sick, ignor eme
pankkake: not very active
mircea_popescu: ttyl ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: !up TwoFatNuts
mircea_popescu: !up Poffertje
mircea_popescu: !up miaoux
chetty: http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/28/eu-wants-to-seize-money-from-all-european-banks-on-a-flat-rate-basis/
assbot: EU Wants to seize money from All European Banks on a Flat Rate Basis | Armstrong Economics
TwoFatNuts: yay! i dont know what voiced means but sweet
pankkake: TwoFatNuts: when the channel is +m, it means you can talk
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/ActualAdviceBTC/status/471633119045369856 the plot, it thickens.
assbot: my reddit response to the absurd /Mircea_Popescu witchhunt on r/bitcoinhttp://t.co/ioHK9TZwjC
TwoFatNuts: thats the post that brought me here. made some damn good points
pankkake: is ActualAdviceBTC someone here?
mircea_popescu: i dunno. who are ye ?
ThickAsThieves: mp you should go on the Howard Stern show, if it still exists
ThickAsThieves: thatd be fun
mircea_popescu: "talking shit and generally being a huge dick, being a bitcoin baron, and saving openbsd from starvation
mircea_popescu: i regret not taking MP's free "you're a retard" advice, on more than one occasion
mircea_popescu: but he's such a dick"
mircea_popescu: dude check it out, reddit got me pegged.
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mircea_popescu: i think it's cazalla
mircea_popescu: is it ?
cazalla: nah, that's not me, i did post something similar earlier
mircea_popescu: ah ok
mircea_popescu: !up badon420
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24445 @ 0.00081002 = 19.8009 BTC [+]
pankkake: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/05/28/0332258/belief-in-evolution-doesnt-measure-science-literacy
assbot: Belief In Evolution Doesn't Measure Science Literacy - Slashdot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4655 @ 0.00080776 = 3.7601 BTC [-]
pankkake: I wonder how it fares for AGW
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 84 @ 0.03664827 = 3.0785 BTC [-] {10}
jurov: commented too.. but nothing noteworthy, imo http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/chszb5a
assbot: rini17 comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.
mircea_popescu: jurov, i saw
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mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy
pankkake: you are doing that too much. try again in 6 minutes.
pankkake: fucking reddit
pankkake: they made throaway accounts unusable
mircea_popescu: get moar ips ?
mircea_popescu: what sort of professional troll pancake are you
pankkake: it's by account
pankkake: and I retired!
fluffypony: come now pankkake, you're supposed to have a wide selection of troll accounts on hand
pankkake: I used to have an account named "buttplugs42" that I rage-deleted (after rage deleting my older account years ago)
pankkake: I never advertised sockpuppetry!
mircea_popescu: you rage too much for your chosen profession
pankkake: I usually don't rage because of what someone said to me
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=628692.0
assbot: Anyone knows how to IPO on havelockinvestments? thanks
mircea_popescu: sooo ?
pankkake: so I can carry out a "job" without raging
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/471643180916817920
assbot: The fact of the matter is people hate /Mircea_Popescu because he is BETTER than them. Smarter, braver, funnier and more honest. GET OVER IT.
mircea_popescu: so THERE!
pankkake: nice one
ThickAsThieves: they left out hairier
mircea_popescu: i am funnier. the rest, who knows
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, who cares
mircea_popescu: but funnier i shall take to my grave. for the entire world combined is not half as funny as I privately am myself!!1
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ThickAsThieves: Hey guys how do I IPO on NYSE?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves please
fluffypony: it's HIRSUTE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0975 = 0.195 BTC [+]
fluffypony: not hairier.
ThickAsThieves: i know
ThickAsThieves: a great word
ThickAsThieves: i almost used it
fluffypony: I use it regularly...I am, after all, a fluffy pony
mircea_popescu: im not fucking hirsute. i just grow a mean beard.
pankkake: I'm probably the hairiest on #bitcoin-assets right now
fluffypony: pankkake I doubt it - I have major arm and leg hair, yo
fluffypony: thankfully not a hairy back because gross.
ThickAsThieves: dont judge a man by his beard
mircea_popescu: and from the "let's email shit to mp" department : " Here is something silly to talk about while you flirt with Twitter and Reddit. I visited the address listed on http://bitcoinsinmiami.com/contact-us/ thinking I would see a little brick and mortar store where one could walk in and buy bitcoins for 40% premium. Instead, I found a Starbucks."
assbot: Contact Us - Bitcoins In Miami
pankkake: me too, and yeah no back but…
mircea_popescu: i lay no contest to the hairest, for i am recently hairclipped.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> dont judge a man by his beard << a boy you can not judge by his beard. but a man, yo ushould.
pankkake: beard ~= skill. at least for sysadmins
mircea_popescu: word.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if beards really carry the power they seem to have over people
ThickAsThieves: beards give free +trust +wisdom
mircea_popescu: they do.
ThickAsThieves: it's weird
mircea_popescu: but the reason is, only wise trustworthy people can grow a good beard in the first place.
mircea_popescu: it's genetic
fluffypony: this is true
mircea_popescu: PRIVILEGE
ThickAsThieves: even i trust myself more with a beard
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
ThickAsThieves: i shave and i'm like who is this scammer?!
fluffypony: !up peterl
peterl: thanks fluffypony
chetty: this may be the only real case of discrimination ...unless of course tits have trust built in too
mircea_popescu: tits have tolerance built into them
ThickAsThieves: they have sex built in
fluffypony: chetty: they're trustless and P2P
peterl: anybody use the bitcointalk.org trust system alot? I don't want default trust, but I want to add somebody from here to seed my trust list?
mircea_popescu: a woman with an uncomfortably compressed pair of doube ds' on a small frame can take a shit on your welcome mat and you'll offer her tp
mircea_popescu: if she's a scrawny AAA+ would not squeeze again, she's getgting shot
ThickAsThieves: peterl, defaulttrust trusts me i think
kakobrekla: do you trust this beard: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Billy_Mays_Portrait_Cropped.jpg/874px-Billy_Mays_Portrait_Cropped.jpg
ThickAsThieves: but i have some good trust to start from
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, no, billy mays had fake scambeard.
kakobrekla: ah
fluffypony: peterl: I have positive trust there, not much but enough to get a green number
ThickAsThieves: his beard was offset by his beady eyes
mircea_popescu: peterl, mpoe-pr actually used to use it
ThickAsThieves: the face is a total equation
ThickAsThieves: not just beard
mircea_popescu: so you can prolly use that
peterl: I dont just want somebody who has positive trust, but somebody who actively looks for other people to trust/distrust
pankkake: unfortunately mpoe-pr's trust list isn't very up to date
ThickAsThieves: peterl, good luck
mircea_popescu: ah. that may be out of bounds, but maybe davout ?
pankkake: I still have it in my list, but this gives + to tradefortress
ThickAsThieves: i negrated some folks others didnt have balls to, but meh
mircea_popescu: i think he's the only one left still putting actual plain effort into derptalk.
ThickAsThieves: peterl it's a lost cause
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, you still working on the forum ?
ThickAsThieves: you are already in the place to find trustworthy people
fluffypony: peterl: try tomatocage or KWH - they both actively use it
ThickAsThieves: no not at all
fluffypony: they're not here tho
mircea_popescu: !up princessswell
peterl: I don't expect to trust the ratings, but it would be nice to see scammers come up red as I look through their threads
mircea_popescu: o oops.
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
ThickAsThieves: i check the forum maybe once every few weeks just in case there is random customer support needed for old stocks
mircea_popescu: saltyspitoon may also have a usable forum chain trust
ThickAsThieves: i was almost a Hero before i quit
davout: do people even use forum trust?
ThickAsThieves: story of my life!
mircea_popescu: and i dunno if d&t still does
mircea_popescu: davout, apparently someone is trying to. i was kinda shocked myself
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, anhero
princessnell: morning folks
davout: i got negrated for saying "faggot"
peterl: thanks guys, that helped
kakobrekla: ::rate davout -2 said faggot twice
davout: lol
pankkake: davout: I was just going to point out that one, it still cracks me up
mircea_popescu: ;:rate kakobrekla -1 said faggot
pankkake: "How can you trust a homophobe?"
mircea_popescu: some of my best friends are hompopobes
princessnell: so MP are u sad that u can't attend any awesome btc conferences now that andreas' army is flexing their harrassment policy against yr triggering statements??
davout: some of my homophobes are friends best
mircea_popescu: princessnell, no because if i went to such a thing i'd get a set of bodyguards anyway
mircea_popescu: because you see, irrespective of what the crowd of nobody thinks, rich people sitll can't simply leave the door open relying on some sort of universal humanity.
mircea_popescu: and so since i'm paying for security detail anyway, might as well put this to use : let them do the same if they want to talk to me on equal terms.
mircea_popescu: sensible n'est pas.
princessnell: good bc those are some tuff dudes
davout: s/n'est pas/n'est-ce pas/
mircea_popescu: mine works too omg hateur
davout: yes, if you're a drunk master yoda
davout: sensible, cela n'est pas.
pankkake: can jedi get drunk?
mircea_popescu: on pee onlee
davout: on cantina music only
ThickAsThieves: vader was a raging alcoholic
davout: fuck, it's in my head now
mircea_popescu: what has been imagined cannot be unheard.
davout: haha totally
mircea_popescu: so am i banned off twitter yet ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, off for breakfast. if you don't hear from me again must be because i was banned by some social media service and so i can no longer be heard or even exist!!1
ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/05/28/goldman-sachs-predicts-the-world-cup-winner/
assbot: Goldman Sachs Predicts the World Cup Winner - MoneyBeat - WSJ
princessnell: that's what u get for microaggressing
princessnell: !up bitstein
ThickAsThieves: princessnell i did get your message the other day, been sick and out of focus
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/user/andreasma official andreas response!!
assbot: overview for andreasma
princessnell: ThickAsThieves offer stands! hope you're feeling better.
ThickAsThieves: what important things are andreas and followers getting back to? evangelism?
ThickAsThieves: thank you princessnell, when the bug bites me to continue the work, I'll surley be in touch
ThickAsThieves: surely*
xmj: there.
princessnell: http://nymag.com/news/features/laundry-apps-2014-5/
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Apocalyptic: wow 220 comments for that reddit thread
diametric: mircea_popescu: have the twitter police come for you yet
diametric: that thread is glorious
Mats_cd03: delusions of laundry
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/cht3cay god they can't even check that this was pre-heartblead
assbot: cryptonaut420 comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.
pankkake: and who the fuck doesn't know openbsd exists
Mats_cd03: nymag fucking sucks
mod6: diametric: it was funny
Apocalyptic: "Andreas Antonopolous the bitcoin high priest participated in Neo&Bee, vouched for Mark Karpeles, vouched for Charlie Shrem, promoted a few altcoin scams and works for shady scumbag Roger Ver"
Apocalyptic: sums it up pretty well
mod6: ^
kakobrekla: lol that thread
kakobrekla: stupidity over 9000
punkman: "A mentally ill narcissist is making death threats and you say there's no danger? Just a few days ago a mentally ill narcissist was making death threats on YouTube and ended up going on a killing spree."
punkman: I wanted to make a bitbet about mp getting banned on twitter, but twitter does not indicate bans afaik
mike_c: the sky is blue. water is blue. you die if submerged in water. therefore, the sky is deadly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0975 = 0.78 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: watching sewer pipe cleaning was more interesting than the linked reddit turd.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.037459 = 0.2248 BTC [-]
pankkake: I like to watch things cleaning
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 124 @ 0.03609672 = 4.476 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 103 @ 0.03406314 = 3.5085 BTC [-] {5}
Mats_cd03: I wonder if the bum without a country is in the Web of Trust
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: which bum ?
fluffypony: http://www.vice.com/read/a-bum-without-a-country-0000326-v21n5
assbot: Mike Gogulski Might Be the First Case of Successful Voluntary Statelessness | VICE United States
fluffypony: that one
asciilifeform: fluffypony: afaik, no. but, interestingly, i first heard of him when he came to buy my urbit 'dukedom' - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352
assbot: Loper OS » Dukedom for Sale.
asciilifeform: he paid.
asciilifeform: i don't know much else about the fellow, except that he famously burned his u.s. passport in public.
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/kSfMx1b.jpg
asciilifeform: lol
fluffypony: in a hospital apparently
Mats_cd03: what is meant by dukedom
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: long story. might want to read 'urbit' documentation. but they are not called 'dukedoms' any more - now they are called 'aircraft carriers.'
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> http://i.imgur.com/kSfMx1b.jpg wtf?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: hospital
fluffypony: not mine
ThickAsThieves: but how does chrome make a pc sickly?
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: fellow named Curt Yarvin wrote an elaborate programming language / runtime env. / replacement for dns and http. and sold namespace for substantial money. but earlier he handed out parcels of address space to folks who participated in a contest - which is where i got mine.
Mats_cd03: an interesting project
asciilifeform: there were, i think, two dozen people who solved
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: a lot of the hospital data systems are ancient and require < IE 8 to work
ThickAsThieves: can't IT just disallow Chrome?
ThickAsThieves: and installs
kakobrekla: offtopic, im curious ascii, do you own a space cadet
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: re: urbit - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390
assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: don't bring logic to the illogical
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no space cadet. but i do have both symbolics keyboard variants (presently in crates.)
kakobrekla: cool
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: at one point i reverse engineered the older keyboard; then found that the newer one uses same electrical protocol
thestringpuller: !up Namworld
asciilifeform: posted the results, then some (german?) folks published a converter box.
asciilifeform: you can find it if you need one.
kakobrekla: atm i just wish i needed one :)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i keep meaning to sell the entire collection
kakobrekla: how come if its not sekrit ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no secret. i no longer need the machine for anything (satisfied with emulator)
asciilifeform: (machine: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51 - emulator: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=186)
assbot: Loper OS » Lisp, Lisp, Lisp Machine, Lisp Machine is Fun!
assbot: Loper OS » Symbolics Open Genera
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Mats_cd03: Anyone dealing with carpal tunnel that has recommendations on treatment?
kakobrekla: you will be selling those two machines?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the older one (that is, the actual symbolics 3620, not the dec alpha box running emu)
pankkake: is there a treatment? besides waiting it out
kakobrekla: ah right.
Mats_cd03: I've been informed that 50 percent of people don't experience any change after surgery, and of the remaining 50%, only half report mild reduction in pain
Namworld: I recommend cutting them off and having new hands and wrists grown.
Mats_cd03: I guess management is a better descriptor
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it weighs about 60kg. and same for the console. (you need both to use it.) and can't even be guaranteed to survive shipping.
pankkake: I'm quite uncomfortable with surgery on such a crucial part of my body
kakobrekla: some heavy shit.
pankkake: have you tried simply changing/fixing your usages?
Mats_cd03: DotA is entirely to blame for the state of my nerves, I've probably played 8000 games in my life
ThickAsThieves: my mom went thru all that carpal tunnel surgery shit
ThickAsThieves: she eventually got some relief
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: when the 3620 came out, howard cannon (symbolics co.), a strong fellow, famously danced with it on a stage, claiming 'first man-portable lisp machine!'
ThickAsThieves: but it was several surgeries and years of trying different things
kakobrekla: asciilifeform lmao
ThickAsThieves: she's still techincally disabled though
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 1986.
Mats_cd03: yeah: i sleep on my back with my arms extended, I wear a brace at night, and i take breaks regularly. its gotten worse
ThickAsThieves: she got molded braces
ThickAsThieves: i think that was an improvement
kakobrekla: yes im familiar with the tech from those days
ThickAsThieves: but if you have specific questions i'll ask her
ThickAsThieves: she's dealt with it for decades now
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the 3620 is actually very atypical for the tech of those days. not a 'microcomputer' in any real sense. for instance, there's a motorola '68k' in there - just to direct the boot process and for nothing else!
mike_c: Mats_cd03: the ergonomics of my keyboard & mouse make a huge difference for me. also the angles from my elbows to wrists to hands while working.
asciilifeform: designed for 'cost is no object' people. sold for roughly the price of a small airplane.
Mats_cd03: What works for her would be useful data
pankkake: same as mike_c. I think just changing radically can help, though of course getting things that are more ergonomic is also good
mike_c: given that i have big hands, a sizable mouse is a must for me
kakobrekla: asciilifeform and the airplane thingy was a part of the problem, no?
Mats_cd03: mike_c: any keyboard recommendations? I'm trying to teach dragon so i can use it for everything but its fucking useless for coding
ThickAsThieves: i emailed her for an overview
ThickAsThieves: i used to have pains and worry that i'd get it too
ThickAsThieves: but no more
ThickAsThieves: i do much less intensive computer usage now though
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: by the time symbolics co. figured out how to manufacture such a machine at reasonable cost, it was too late. lisp systems on cheap crapboxes, despite being nothing comparable to the 'turtles all the way down' stack from smbx, were firmly entrenched.
mike_c: Mats_cd03: two groups of good ergonomic keyboards. 1) raised & split (http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/natural-ergonomic-keyboard-4000), or 2) sunken and split (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage-for-pc-mac/)
asciilifeform: the amount which the latter sucked helped to destroy the market for lisp systems in general
kakobrekla: entrenched and faster
mike_c: a guy i knew who had bad symptoms swore by the sunken kinesis
punkman: any opinions on vertical mice?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: faster, yes. but it is a misconception that the purpose of smbx boxes was to 'run lisp fast'
Mats_cd03: looks designed for aliens
moiety: vertical mice?!
kakobrekla: you have a pic of 3620 insides ? i dont see much on google
mike_c: it gave him a lot of relief. he also used the foot pedals.
Mats_cd03: Just bought both, will test drive, ty
kakobrekla: mike_c two groups of keybords, model m and the rest.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=52 http://www.loper-os.org/?p=53 (console)
assbot: Loper OS » Secrets of the Symbolics Console: Part 1
assbot: Loper OS » Secrets of the Symbolics Console: Part 2
asciilifeform: (part 2 has pics of machine proper)
mike_c: kakobrekla: yes, if you don't have stress syndromes :)
pankkake: punkman: I have one, I love it. I especially like the 3 real buttons instead of 2+click on the wheel
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mike_c: kakobrekla: and if you work alone. those things are so obnoxious to be near.
pankkake: then again, it might just have been changing the way I handle the mouse; but when I bought it I couldn't use my regular mouse
pankkake: you could try trackballs, too. I have one but never really got the habit of using it
pankkake: they are quite fun to play with
kakobrekla: oh yeah i remember those from going through your blog at some point asciilifeform
kakobrekla: not that its making it a lot more clearer
kakobrekla: :)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what would you like to know about the 3620?
asciilifeform: i put an obscene amount of time into reverse-engineering it
asciilifeform: even tried to buy the schematics from the one fellow who still has them (he wouldn't budge)
kakobrekla: how far did you come?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: far enough that i understood that the project is going nowhere without electron microscope
asciilifeform: (or the original blueprints for the silicon)
kakobrekla: hmyea
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080316 / 0.0008091 / 0.00081396 (585132 shares, 473.43 BTC), 7D: 0.00080316 / 0.0009085 / 0.00094813 (7481366 shares, 6,796.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00080316 / 0.00092502 / 0.00101 (24947103 shares, 23,076.66 BTC)
thestringpuller: !ticker m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (2409 shares, 0.52 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021528 / 0.00021726 (1154009 shares, 248.44 BTC)
fluffypony: ;;gettrust vmrob
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thestringpuller: $depth mpif
thestringpuller: mpex bot is gone :(
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Mats_cd03: http://pastebin.com/Gkjc0ee4 via my FB feed, from the 'help help womyn are being oppressed' dept
assbot: Denying the existence of rape culture and/or the extent in which it is tied into - Pastebin.com
punkman: pankkake: is evoluent the way to go?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://economie.hotnews.ro/stiri-it-17374795-radu-georgescu-infiintat-impreuna-doi-parteneri-platforma-plata-destinata-bitcoin-altor-monede-virtuale.htm
assbot: Radu Georgescu a infiintat impreuna cu doi parteneri o platforma de plata destinata Bitcoin si altor monede virtuale - IT - HotNews.ro
Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://coinzone.com/
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benkay: https://github.com/django/django/pull/2718 << called it.
assbot: Change `master` branch into `primary` by Feminist-Software-Foundation Pull Request #2718 django/django GitHub
benkay: ERC> starting to realize that os x kinda a sh
benkay: disregard second line of phat phingers
mircea_popescu: Naphex, spre surprinderea nimanui anume, comentariu' meu pe blogu' lui ie tot neaprobat
mircea_popescu: unde-i ziceam io asa finut ca welcome in 2012.
asciilifeform: this got lost in the noise last night and is worth thinking about: https://www.privacyinternational.org/blog/what-does-gchq-know-about-our-devices-that-we-dont
assbot: What does GCHQ know about our devices that we don't? | Privacy International
mircea_popescu: pentru ca puletele nu poa' sa ia un hint si sa fie baiat destept, el tre' neaparat sa se creada tare aiurea.
Naphex: sa vezi ce surprize o sa aiba :))
Naphex: ca face el pump in ultima zi
Naphex: cu un competitor bitpay
asciilifeform: (tldr: why did the bureaucrats, when destroying the infamous guardian laptop, sand off the eeproms in mouse, keyboard controllers...)
Naphex: am trecut noi solutia noastra pe foc rapid, ma asigur ca deschidem gw-ul de plata. Si trebuie sa vina ceva account manager bun de maine
asciilifeform: and the backlight transformer!
Naphex: deschidem inainte* :)
mircea_popescu: mda
Naphex: benkay: lol
Naphex: "@Feminist-Software-Foundation you should also open a bug about GIT using "push" and "pull" commands. Since it is obviously discriminativ" / re: "@teresko Great idea! What else of he git commands could be problematic?"
benkay: i think fsf is god-tier trolling, but i haven't been tracking because you know busy and shit
asciilifeform: benkay: the 'master/slave' troll has been done before. re: ata hard disks, years ago.
benkay: i am but a bairn
mircea_popescu: yup
benkay: is this thing where python3 kills python* a repeated pattern?
mircea_popescu: o hey check it out, my twitter got suspended.
benkay: old version of language crufts over, has core flaws, inadequate for changing reality, corporate owners sponsor wholesale upgrade, breaking changes, 'community' fails to upgrade libs at large, oldlang has more use than newlang after 2+ years, wholelang dies and corporate masters say "on to the next one!" eg golang?
asciilifeform: benkay: obligatory: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html
assbot: Re: Representing code as XML: the Flare Programming Language - Naggum cll archive
mircea_popescu: benkay, yes
mircea_popescu: it's actually a control strategy this.
princessnell: mircea_popescu that was fast
Mats_cd03: golang is godly
mircea_popescu: princessnell, "we no longer want you to contribute free content to our publishing platform. please let us bleed money in peace."
Mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/FZK9Zi26Izc
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asciilifeform: incidentally, 'twitter' is a perfect candidate for demolition using blockchain-encoded text (as discussed in the past.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's not a technological proble,
mircea_popescu: it's an economic problem. it has no actual utility/reason to exist, which makes it unassailable fpor short intervals.
mircea_popescu: like you know, digg.
mircea_popescu: or whatever, wis.dm, mag.nol.ia etc
asciilifeform: yes. but snippets of ascii sent via coded transactions would map perfectly to the intended use case (want to 'twit' 'at' someone? gotta send them a little coin in the process)
asciilifeform: likewise, one gets hard identities, automagically
asciilifeform: (address ownership)
mircea_popescu: but wait. what if i have 10mn followers
mircea_popescu: do i now owe .1 btc per message ?
asciilifeform: that's just folks who happen to crawl their own copy of blockchain looking for your messages.
asciilifeform: doesn't cost anything
asciilifeform: (yes, you would no longer have automatic tracking of subscribers. but who needs it?)
mircea_popescu: you kidding right ?
asciilifeform is innocent of 'twitter' et al
Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://coinzone.com/ omg and its even MySQL !:D
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Apocalyptic: PHP dud
Apocalyptic: *dude
mircea_popescu: well it's got a team and a bunch of big red blocks
mircea_popescu: so how hard can it be.
mircea_popescu: "For a developer, working for Coinzone is lots of fun. You get to work right away on the tasks you like most, and you have the opportunity to do things “right” from the beginning. Everything from coding standards to the framework and technologies used, was up for debate and I got the chance to have a say in it."
mircea_popescu: now you know how it all happened.
Naphex: and what is it with people using redis/memcache instead of rolling their own backend
mircea_popescu: ahahaha waiut wait
mircea_popescu: phinn gage got suspended on trolltalk for being racist ?
Naphex: instead of that shitty stiching of PHP with redis/memcache
mircea_popescu: dude srsly, someone drop him a line, show him the light
mircea_popescu: "Fortunately, Havelock Investments (also behind Canadian Bitcoins) seems to have taken over Bitcoin stocks, essentially by not being idiots in public and not charging unreasonable fees. They seem to run things in a much more professional way."
mircea_popescu: win.
Apocalyptic: " They seem to run things in a much more professional way." // I don't even...
Apocalyptic: NeobeeQ was such a professional move
mod6: all it takes to be a pro is an HTML5 website!
mircea_popescu: i think this is going to be generating a lot of lulz as a going concern.
mod6: :D
Apocalyptic: that thread is pure reddit material
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin exists so we don't have to put up with that centralization of privileges anymore. MPEX completely misses the point."
mircea_popescu: :D
mircea_popescu: so fucken cute srsly.
Apocalyptic: random derps opining on what has taken over bitcoin stocks, a space they probably don't fully grasp
mircea_popescu: you compleeeetely miss the point.
mike_c: i haven't seen mpex sponsor a muy thai night. havelock is king.
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: whats muy thai ?
mike_c: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/images/poster-600.png
mike_c: boxing with your feet
mircea_popescu: o hey, going to have dinner with xapo's head of network
mircea_popescu: anyone want to relay a question ?
asciilifeform: i do.
asciilifeform: 'what's the point of mega-bunker, with key, when you can btc store private key just as well'
asciilifeform: or is that a cruel question.
mircea_popescu: moar like something i was gonna ask anyway :D
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: to be fair, i can theoretically conceive of a point - say, a fellow who guesses three wrong keys in front of the bunker is fed to crocodiles.
asciilifeform: (no such feature on blockchain alone)
mircea_popescu: oic muay thai
mike_c: vowels.. whatever.
mircea_popescu: !up PierreRochard
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, http://www.reddit.com/user/Bitcoin_Error_Log that you ?
assbot: overview for Bitcoin_Error_Log
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves, http://www.reddit.com/user/Bitcoin_Error_Log that you ? // yessir
assbot: overview for Bitcoin_Error_Log
mircea_popescu: aok
Apocalyptic: "Hearn, The Solution Solver - Putting more problems into your solutions since 2013" I lol'd TAT
mircea_popescu: princessnell microagressing ? what's that one ?
asciilifeform: same hearn who tried to slip heartbleed into bitcoind ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: diametric:
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: have the twitter police come for you yet
Apocalyptic: yep ascii
princessnell: mircea_popescu errday oppression
mircea_popescu: i dunno, but this mounted policeman was looking at me kinda crooked from out in the street
princessnell: see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression
assbot: Microaggression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: should i be worried ?
Apocalyptic: depends if you have shaved your beard
mircea_popescu: o liek i tell a shill "stfu u shill" and he's all like "don' be microagressin all over my legit biz" ?
mircea_popescu: chester pierce lmao.
princessnell: sure, if he has enough tweeps to back him up
princessnell: usually works better coming from women or gays
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mircea_popescu: can men be women too or are they still discriminated against ?
ThickAsThieves: "someone making unwanted sexual advances toward another person"
ThickAsThieves: uh
princessnell: sure, that is becoming a popular loophole
asciilifeform: 'microagression' lol
ThickAsThieves: microassaults
asciilifeform: what'd be a femtoagression? an unkind thought?
ThickAsThieves: metagression
ThickAsThieves: microdecentralized
mircea_popescu: princessnell, i propose this is factual. my main objection with the "west" such as it is today is that there's just too many girls. of both genders. not nearly enojugh women, virtually n omen. it gets stale being in the junior high after a while.
asciilifeform: let's tera-agression. (what'll that be? a nukefest?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i think you don't quite understand how these scales work
mircea_popescu: your mistake being evident in that you demand consistency of your mental process.
ThickAsThieves: ascii, terragression = jogging
mircea_popescu: this is a hinderance.
princessnell: preach
asciilifeform: you demand consistency of your mental process << guilty; professional disease.
mircea_popescu: princessnell, i imagine it must suck for women tho. i mean for me, w/e, i got the tools to impose change in any number of ways.
mircea_popescu: i think if i was an actual woman of average means i'd be pretty fucking pissed off tho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actual woman << those are sorta disappearing in the west. 'habitat destruction', a biologist might say.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: the sky is blue. water is blue. you die if submerged in water. therefore, the sky is deadly. << now let's debate about how water is really green and parachutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, something like that.
mike_c: no debate necessary. i agree with parachutes.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I like to watch things cleaning << you know why that is right ?
ThickAsThieves: i thought the whole universe is a trap
mircea_popescu: mike_c, you know parasuta, ie romanian for parachute, is just one of the numerous ways to say whore.
ThickAsThieves: and we're just bumbling around in it
princessnell: most women know that something is off but can't properly diagnose it. so they go down stupid feminist rabbit holes not knowing that they intensify the problem.
princessnell: we've been told our whole lives to behave a certain way or we're stupid and vapid and backwards. so we fight against our nature to conform to the reprogramming.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: afaik, no. but, interestingly, i first heard of him when he came to buy my urbit 'dukedom' << so invite the guy over and rate him ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did.
mircea_popescu: princessnell, le suck. i think i wrote something sorta going that way recently. it must be pretty bad if it's visible from me.
asciilifeform: afaik he never opened a wot
asciilifeform: but!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i don't know much else about the fellow, except that he famously burned his u.s. passport in public. << what is the actual drawback of this ? i mean other than having to pay 100 bucks or w/e for a new one
asciilifeform: there's a 'mikegogulski' on wot...
asciilifeform: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mikegogulski&sign=ANY&type=RECV
assbot: Rating Details for User 'mikegogulski'
princessnell: mircea_popescu even the economists can see it for crissake http://theumlaut.com/2013/11/05/is-feminism-making-women-less-happy/
assbot: Is Feminism Making Women Less Happy? | The mlaut
asciilifeform: no idea if it's the one.
mircea_popescu: out of 10k you could do this till your walls change colors no ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he did manage to get officially drummed out of u.s. in addition to simply burning passport.
mircea_popescu: princessnell, so anyone trying to organise anything yet ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm in a local Facebook group called "Free Thinkers". It's all women but me and a few of their husbands. Last week one woman posted how she was a offended that the new playground for disabled kids has a purple Sally's Music structure and a blue Billy's Hardware structure to play in.
princessnell: like a reaction? think that's barking up the wrong tree
princessnell: there's a few scattered bloggers, some conservative-type organizations
mircea_popescu: princessnell, i don't know like what. obviously men's rights isn't the adequate outlet.
mircea_popescu: maybe a sort of fight club, except chick run.
mircea_popescu: buncha girls get together, do some light stretching in light leotards for half an hour, then al lthe dudes beat each other to shit, then the girls fuck the living daylights out of the one dude left standing.
mircea_popescu: once a month or w/e
princessnell: oh yeah, there's the honey badgers: http://www.honeybadgerbrigade.com/about-1.html
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mircea_popescu: http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/douglasville/2014/05/27/charlie-mayes-teen-punished/9642971/
assbot: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment
mircea_popescu: talking of urbit, i don't suppose it stopped leaking yet, but i expect development all but ceased ?
asciilifeform: re: child punishment: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014&bots=true#509005
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: re: urbit: people still putter about on the mailing list; occasional giblets get checked into the repo; can't bring myself to give a damn re: the details.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mod6: i haven't run my destroyer in months.
asciilifeform: urbit is the ultimate example of a tentacle of a problem masquerading as solution to said problem.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: Anyone dealing with carpal tunnel that has recommendations on treatment? << remove the stressors. you're young enough and will be fine. just, don't do any of the things that cause it. any. at all.
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03, mircea_popescu: found myself with classic carpal symptoms at... 14. cured myself by: going off computer for a month.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: scaring and inflamatory reactions from surgical approach are worse than the injury in general
mircea_popescu: chemicals are similarly dangerous.
Naphex: lol mircea_popescu got suspended
Naphex: on twitter
mircea_popescu: Naphex, yup
asciilifeform: afaik urbit achieved its actual goal (refill mr. yarvin's money bag)
midnightmagic: Mats_cd03: strength training and flexibility helped for me: exercise basically fixed the symptoms for me
asciilifeform: re: carpal tunnel: generally, if a programmer (vs. data entry clerk or similar brute labourer) contracts this disease, it is suggestive of a poor choice of programming system
mike_c: "system"?
asciilifeform: verbose language. or, alternatively, poorly configured editor
mike_c: maybe it's just work ethic :)
mike_c: you can surely spend many hours a day writing lisp without solving all the world's problems
mircea_popescu: the idea being that carpal is repetitive small movements, not just small movements\
mircea_popescu: you could pay for a watcher, ie, a trained kinetotherapist that sits there with you for six hours and inventaries your movement patterns
mircea_popescu: but that's expensive as shit a process.
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244633165773164@naggum.no.html
assbot: Re: Lisp options on Mac OS X (Was: Best combination of {hardware / lisp implementation / operating system}) - Naggum cll archive
mircea_popescu: so if you're one of those people that goes leftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrowleftarrow instead of ctrl-left arrow say.
asciilifeform: 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.'
asciilifeform: aside from a few (fortunately) uncommon industrial cases, i can't think of any reason why a computer user ought to perform genuinely repetitive motions of any kind.
mircea_popescu: right. kinda why the coimputer is a computer.
asciilifeform: it's a programmable gizmo, not a miner's pick.
mircea_popescu: but then people who use ipads think they're computer users
mircea_popescu: and so you see how the problem appears.
asciilifeform: witness the reintroduction of the vertical touch screen heresy in consumer pc. like the '80s and their 'gorilla arm syndrome' never happened.
mircea_popescu: same thing happened recently with "3d"
mircea_popescu: that thing is a zombie, been reinvented as "high tech" each coupla decades since 1950
asciilifeform: i did paying work once that actually required a 3d visor. it was physically demanding.
asciilifeform: (molecular models)
Mats_cd03: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3957
assbot: An Oscilloscope Module for Novena « bunnie's blog
asciilifeform: incidentally, you can view 3d images from stereo-pairs without /any/ equipment but your eyes. 'cross-eye stereo.' used to be that every chemist knew how.
asciilifeform: and once you learn to do it once, it is never forgotten.
mircea_popescu: its uncomfortable
mircea_popescu: my motto in using eyes is "nothing uncomfortable"
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to try:
asciilifeform: http://i.stack.imgur.com/5AC4Q.png
asciilifeform: uncomfortable << naturally isn't meant to be done for hours. only to get a peek at a 3d structure from a paper article
asciilifeform: for prolonged work, you need a 3d gizmo
asciilifeform: preferably not the consumer junk
ThickAsThieves: so is twitter on your shitlist now mp?
ThickAsThieves: will you have their head?
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, lol what do i care.
mircea_popescu: i don't have to keep adding rel="nofollow" on links and process their dumbass format into something quotable.
mircea_popescu: they get whatever they figure they're getting. so it's a win- win.
mircea_popescu: that aside, considering their burn rate and revenue stream... it'd be a miracle if twitter survives any of us here present. but then again, i don't imagine it was seriously made to last.
ThickAsThieves: no chance in hell
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ThickAsThieves: they IPO'd the internet
ThickAsThieves: nice scam
ThickAsThieves: next!
thestringpuller: ;;seen bitcoinpete
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thestringpuller: lol mpoe
thestringpuller: you so funny
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
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Mats_cd03: http://www.sbcl.org/news.html?1.2.0
pankkake: punkman: I've seen other ones but I don't think their designs are better. I have the evoluent v3, tested a v4 and not overly convinced (but the changes are minor)
Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
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pankkake: mircea_popescu> pankkake: I like to watch things cleaning << you know why that is right ? << no
Mats_cd03: hohoho
punkman: pankkake: saw some other ones browsing, I think I might try one that doesn't have such a steep angle. Does the Evoluent have any rubbery things that are gonna decompose in 6 months (like in the thumb rest)?
punkman: this looks comfy http://www.handshoemouse.com/
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pankkake: unfortunately, yes. mine has the soft whatever thing that has been slowly removed
pankkake: I have two, the one at work is in a better shape though
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pankkake: mine works well with a wrist rest, also
pankkake: I have a hard time being without it now
pankkake: as for mouse design, I belive radical change is what helps. when I changed from a heavy wireless mouse to a small, light mouse, it was also better
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jurov: i kinda know mike g personally... i think he knows about us, just does not see any connection with his agenda
pankkake: the issue with those peripherals, is that they're expensive and you really can't try them out :(
benkay: !up tokyopotato
tokyopotato: cheers
punkman: pankkake: probably a good idea for a franchise, small showroom with keyboards, mice and chairs
pankkake: defitively
pankkake: there's one in Paris, but it wasn't open yes when I ordered mine
pankkake: they're selling them at a high price, but given how the import taxes shafted me, it's not that high!
pankkake: I'm drunk, so please correct ypos
pankkake: in your minds
pankkake: drunk and sleep deprived
punkman: last quote I got for the basic aeron was 2500 eur
jurov: how does it help with carpal?
pankkake: apparently the aeron are quite overpriced compared to their competitors
jurov: i've inherited proper 1 meter deep office table from my grandpa
jurov: replaced the worn out desk
pankkake: jurov: being able to change your position helps tremendously
jurov: so my hands are supported by the table all the time
jurov: never had any problem
princessnell: http://blogs.ft.com/money-supply/2014/05/28/follow-up-on-data-problems-in-capital-in-the-21st-century/
jurov: i got mouse callus. but never a carpal
pankkake: punkman: another tip: don't use the mouse. if you use vim, try pentadactyl for firefox, try window managers with good keyboard control, etc.
jurov: i can't ever remember keybindings if my life depended on them :(
jurov: so, rat it is.
pankkake: I don't either, they become muscle memory or I forget them
mircea_popescu: pankkake, ocd baby
pankkake: right
pankkake: I'm the kind of person who will align random stuff on a table
jurov: i consider muscle memory harmful..especially in case of rm-like commands
mircea_popescu: jurov, what'd that agenda be then ?
pankkake: because they have to be aligned
mircea_popescu: <punkman> pankkake: probably a good idea for a franchise, small showroom with keyboards, mice and chairs <<< this IS a good idea. san diego or thereaboutds.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-S-530-Scanning-Electron-Microscope-with-Pump-and-Extras-/121268844671?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c3c2fb87f
assbot: Hitachi s 530 Scanning Electron Microscope with Pump and EXTRAS | eBay
jurov: mircea_popescu: full anarchy afaik
pankkake: jurov: alias rm=rm -i and HISTIGNORE
mircea_popescu: definitely can debate it with me :)
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious what'd come ou of it.
jurov: pankkake: and how does it prevent muscles learning to type enter twice?
punkman: pankkake: I could never get into keyboard-only mode. I rarely have any stiffness/pain anyway, just thinking I should get a better mouse already
pankkake: jurov: yeah, it can happen, but I haven't had that happen to me yet (and I have snapshoted backups anyway)
jurov: mircea_popescu: he'll certainly be at bitcoin market tomorrow, i'll tell him
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: didnt know the guy is in slovakia
jurov: it's mentioned in the article
jurov: member of progressbar hackerspace in bratislava
pankkake: punkman: it doesn't have to be only mouse; but just the swithing, removing, opening of tabs helps me cope a lot
mircea_popescu: bloody ft loading > 200 elements per page what in the loving fuck
jurov: !up sgornick
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one just like this was sold 1km from where i live.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: problem is, as always, space.
BingoBoingo: Space is always the prolem
BingoBoingo: But eventually Yurts
jurov: in the middle of argentinan pampa
jurov: but imo some desert caves should be better for preservation of electronics
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: microscope alone isn't of terribly much use for reversing. also would need ion beam machine, for stripping layers, etc.
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asciilifeform: before long, you're talking about real money.
jurov: *hint* S.NSA *hint*
benkay: BingoBoingo jurov http://rigsomelight.com/2013/09/09/frameless-geodesic-dome.html
assbot: Frameless Geodesic Dome
jurov: it won't help with temperature/humidity changes itself
fluffypony: wow such h8
jurov: fluffypony what?
fluffypony: some of my comments on Reddit re: the MP death threat got downvoted
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/chszw2w?context=3
assbot: fluffyponyza comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.
fluffypony: why did that get downvoted?
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fluffypony: stupid redditards want me to do their homework in proving that mpoe-pr is a real person, wtf.
punkman: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/ dafuq
assbot: TrueCrypt
asciilifeform: fluffypony: before long, you'll be drummed out as a spammer. like i was, from pediwikia.
BingoBoingo: benkay: At one point I had a chance to see the actual Buckminster fuller house (as a pile in storage)
HeySteve: <+benkay> BingoBoingo jurov http://rigsomelight.com/2013/09/09/frameless-geodesic-dome.html <- very cool. I was looking at building a hexayurt for raising trout
assbot: Frameless Geodesic Dome
pigeons: pediwikia?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah, I've gotten to the point where I can't be bothered to understand how to be part of the circlejerk
fluffypony: pigeons: wikipedia
asciilifeform: humidity << serious problem. esp. for the pictured gizmo, where high vacuum pumps are involved.
asciilifeform: you'll be changing the oil daily.
fluffypony: benkay: damn, a geodesic dome is one of my favourite shapes
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: For carpal tunnel there are some eldrich pharacotherapeutic solutions like Voltaren and Amitriptyline compounded for topical use.
asciilifeform: 'doctor, it hurts when i do that. -- so don't do that.'
thestringpuller: fluffypony i need a soft alias like you
BingoBoingo: Dome http://www.siue.edu/religion/about_dome.shtml https://www.siue.edu/religion/domeroom.shtml
assbot: About the dome - History of dome
assbot: The Dome Room
thestringpuller: satinstrings
BingoBoingo: thestringsoother
fluffypony: thestringpuller: fluffystrings?
asciilifeform: where did the 'mpoe-pr is a sham' fixation come from?
thestringpuller: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;rated sgornick
gribble: You rated user sgornick on Fri Sep 28 05:44:50 2012, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Solid guy..
mircea_popescu: sgornick, you know how to self-voice ?
sgornick: No, how?
thestringpuller: /msg assbot !Up
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> some of my comments on Reddit re: the MP death threat got downvoted << how to know you got too much free time
thestringpuller: /msg assbot !up *
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: well it's not like I have to work for a living, so I have to spend my time on more useful things
sgornick: thestringpuller, thx!
mircea_popescu: why is a geodesic dome not airtight ?
mircea_popescu: happens to be the best design for that purpose afail
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> where did the 'mpoe-pr is a sham' fixation come from? << perhaps from the "women can't exist" notion of your average basement dweller ?
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: sgornick, you id with gribble and pm assbot !up
fluffypony: probably
mircea_popescu: then you're voiced for as long as you don't split (even if you lose id)
fluffypony: or "there's no way a site without a responsive CSS layout and tons of JS can afford to hire a PR person."
pankkake: fluffypony: I've got comments downvoted (not on reddit but with similar moderation) for no reason. like a purely informational thing, and as one of the author of the software that was talked about in the article. usually the first downvote calls for the rest of the mindless voting
fluffypony: pankkake: yes, I find that once you go have that 1:1 ratio the downvote squad feel like they have rationale
pankkake: some subreddits hide the score until a certain delay has passed. that's one of the few good things reddit came up with
mircea_popescu: how/what does it help ?
pankkake: people are tempted to downvote downvoted things, and upvote upvoted things
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: because then people don't base their votes on what has already happened
pankkake: when you don't see the score, you actually have to use your brain
asciilifeform: re: mpoe-pr - i'll confess, for the record, that i had lingering suspicions of 'mp is a bourbaki organized by mpoe-pr' right until getting off the plane at tsr
fluffypony: I like a 12 hour or 24 hour window
asciilifeform: but never the reverse.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: wouldn't that be a score - mpoe-pr is real and mp is the sock puppet!
fluffypony: I should lead with that on Reddit
mircea_popescu: pankkake> when you don't see the score, you actually have to use your brain << so by this theory showing the aspirants on tv is harmful for elections ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I can't think of anything more harmful for elections
mircea_popescu: hm.
pankkake: mircea_popescu: aspirants? but actually funny thing, in France polls are forbidden a few days before the actual election
mircea_popescu: unintentional breakthrough
pankkake: though I don't think it is the same at all
xmj: test
fluffypony: xmj: test received
asciilifeform: pankkake: this was a major wankatron during the second bush II. election over here.
pankkake: it's definitively wanking. it was started because of Le Pen being on the second turn I think
asciilifeform: pankkake: opponents insisted that the unofficial polls (which favoured john k.) caused anti-bush folks to stay home and sleep
xmj: success. dont even have to gpg --decrypt
xmj: So, I'm in Athens now...
xmj: You wouldn't think a city like this would be allowed in a EU, EURO, OECD, "Western Hemisphere" country.
asciilifeform: who moved athens to western hemisphere?
asciilifeform: did i miss something
xmj: duh.
asciilifeform: and weren't hemispheres north/south in atlas...
xmj: Greece is a member of all the right institutions to be eligible and way back when, their philosophers founded it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There are east/west hemispheres cut at the Greenwich line
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aye. but i always think of the ottoman world as 'east'.
BingoBoingo: It is.
asciilifeform: i suppose we have a 'physical' vs. 'logical' east.
pankkake: when I heard there was a nazi greek party I loled. the nazis buttraped greece, and modern greeks are niggers in my mind anyway
pankkake: nazi russians, I get, but nazi greeks
asciilifeform: pankkake: wait till you meet the russian nazis
pankkake: I love the nazbols
BingoBoingo: Or the Klan Blacks
pankkake: http://nazbol.cc/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kmo_074743_00165_1m.jpg
asciilifeform: limonov's nazbols have about as much to do with classic nazi as mussolini's folks with the romans.
pankkake: http://nazbol.freetzi.com/girls1.jpg
pankkake: they have the imagery, and i love imagery
asciilifeform once snarfed up the entirety of the eminently-readable mr. limonov.
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/scout-willis-demands-nipples-on-instagram-with-topless-1582754269
assbot: Scout Willis Demands Nipples on Instagram with Topless Protest
mircea_popescu: <xmj> You wouldn't think a city like this would be allowed in a EU, EURO, OECD, "Western Hemisphere" country. << for srs.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck greece is in and gturkey is out is beyond sense
xmj: pankkake: how can you 'get' nazi russians? read Hitler, ffs.
pankkake: I've tried to read mein kampf, but got bored to death halfway
asciilifeform: pankkake: 'hitler's table talk' is the interesting one
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jurov: what do nazi russians have with hitler?
asciilifeform: amusing re: usa: http://wealthydebates.com/20-big-box-retailers-take-major-losses-first-quarter
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pankkake: good. those stores are pointless
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moiety: so.... just how long does it take twatter to suspend, read and realise?!
pankkake: probably less than a day. I've seen previous mass report witch hunts
pankkake: but perhaps the guy complained
moiety: i think someone probably climbed out of his arse for a second to do it for him
pankkake: moiety: I also use "twatter", and "twits for twats" :)
BingoBoingo: http://www.kctv5.com/story/25621975/brookside-beach-house-leaves-gritty-taste-with-neighbors?clienttype=generic&smartdevicecgbypass
assbot: Kansas City 'beach' house leaves gritty taste with neighbors - KCTV5
moiety: pankkake: i go between tweeter for things i like and twatter for those i don't lol
moiety: BingoBoingo: i just got an email :D :D "so, when yould you like to move in" :D thank you again so much. did i mention :D
moiety: would*
BingoBoingo: moiety: You are welcome.
pankkake: In sex weeks?
fluffypony: hah hah
moiety: lmao!
xmj: jurov: Nazis and Russians simply do not mix together.
Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: interesting
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Topical application can get more pain relieving drug to the site where it is needed, and also more tolerably. This sort of stuff is fairly common for arthritis.
Mats_cd03: time to schedule a doctors visit, i guess. both need to be prescribed
jurov: painkillers are best delivered by bullet
pankkake: not suppository?
fluffypony: pankkake so truecrypt
fluffypony: current rumours are serious hack - GPG key compromised among other things
pankkake: what?
Mats_cd03: wat
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: There is a non-zero chance a primary care doctor is going to want to refer you to a neurologist for carpal tunnel. This idea is just one more thing to try before a surgery that has a good chance of not resolving the issue or creating new pains.
pankkake: surgery […] creating new pains => so true :(
fluffypony: well wt
fluffypony: wtf
fluffypony: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-truecrypt-audit/x/5490529#activity
assbot: The TrueCrypt Audit | Indiegogo
fluffypony: "p.s. We hope to have some *big* announcements this week, so stay tuned."
mike_c: Mats_cd03: i need a good electronic mix. preferably 60+ mins. anything up your sleeve?
fluffypony: "there are many reasons to consider this suspect: (1) the URL redirects to truecrypt.sourceforge.net. (2) The SIGs provided in the new binaries do not validate. (3) The keys provided do not validate under Web of Trust. (4) The timing is bizzare since there's an initiative to audit truecrypt and this is counter to the developers' Modus Operandi. (5) No other official information anywhere else?** No. This is highly suspicious. We should wait for
fluffypony: additional sources"
BingoBoingo: http://consumerist.com/2014/05/27/new-starbucks-free-drink-record-set-with-54-sexagintuple-vanilla-bean-mocha-frappuccino/
assbot: New Starbucks Free Drink Record Set With $54 Sexagintuple Vanilla Bean Mocha Frappuccino Consumerist
Mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/N0huCxKYjpE butts.
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pankkake: fluffypony: interesting. I can't wait to find out more
fluffypony: pankkake: also, I'm getting popcorn and a whisky
pankkake: mike_c: electronic is quite vague
Mats_cd03: mike_c: not sure what youre looking for precisely but perhaps http://www.frequence3.fr/podcasts/ might be helpful?
assbot: Podcasts - Frquence 3 - The French Hit Webradio from Paris!
punkman: "Encryption process is disabled. The current binaries can only be used to "migrate". You can deface a webpage but the effort it takes to rewrite the entire source code, compromise the GPG, compromise domain et cetera is not minimal."
punkman: ^ truecrypt
mike_c: i'll give it a try. thx.
Mats_cd03: mike_c: i like armin's state of trance, too, if you are into trance
mike_c: I am.
pankkake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLhUzlv0yCQ
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punkman: http://somafm.com/ is handy
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jurov: i like djphalanx stuff on youtube
kakobrekla: somafm... i used to like their mission control channel. you could be herping on bitcointalk and it feels like you are flying the shuttle.
mike_c: heh, yeah. i have one of those feeds linked. didn't realize that was where it came from.
thestringpuller: hah reminds me of college
punkman: kakobrekla, true story
mike_c: goa doesn't quite do it for me. i find it distracting while working.
fluffypony: punkman: I hear you
fluffypony: all of that and suggesting everyone move to MS' solution
fluffypony: the other thing
fluffypony: is despite all the effort required to do the other bit
fluffypony: it seems to me that it's a lot less effort to make an announcement in parallel with the change
fluffypony: the silence is what is weird
Mats_cd03: mike_c: RAC is quite good, http://hypem.com/search/rac/1/?sortby=fav
assbot: Rac / mp3s and music from the best music blogs
pankkake: !up BitPonzi
punkman: hmm any cross platform alternatives for Truecrypt?
punkman: seems like FreeOTFE has been abandoned
BitPonzi points at mircea_popescu Haha!
fluffypony: BitPonzi: be careful, man
Mats_cd03: no afaik, a problem that has yet to be remedied
fluffypony: he's likely to send death threats to you on Twitter
BitPonzi: lol
fluffypony: and then next minute, you'll be on Reddit
BitPonzi: cant believe they banned him
BitPonzi: over that
Mats_cd03: western sensibilities, you know
BitPonzi: andreas is a life loser
fluffypony: the best thing to do is for everyone to threaten Andreas
BitPonzi: lol
thestringpuller: we should all threaten Theymos
thestringpuller: for facilitating the sess pool
fluffypony: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/471754500651634688
assbot: /aantonop I'd feel remiss if I didn't also threaten your life. So...ummm...I'll...uhhhhh...throw gerbils at you until you suffocate!
fluffypony: there
thestringpuller: !up bitcoinhtx
pankkake: who's theymos?
fluffypony: much threat.
fluffypony: pankkake: duh, a thermos is a thing you put coffee in and it keeps it warm
pankkake: I put my water in it so it keeps cold, apparently I was wrong all along
kakobrekla: no more decency http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/slike/2014-05-26-offsajd-antiterorizem-po-kitajsko-27641.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0192975 = 0.1158 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/rac/the-shins-sleeping-lessons-rac-mix
assbot: The Shins - Sleeping Lessons (RAC Mix) by RAC on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
fluffypony: that's my kinda army!
Mats_cd03: pankkake: mod on /r/bitcoin and collector of substantial donations on its behalf
pankkake: oh, thermos, right
pankkake: maged also a mod on both /r/bitcoin and scamtalk
thestringpuller: didn't jurov make a bitcoin-assets reddit?
jurov: no i wanted to take it over
jurov: but don't have the karma
thestringpuller: i had the karma and submitted a request but never got a response...
thestringpuller: dunno whatever happened with that
pankkake: fun fact: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/ has #bitcoin-assets in sidebar
assbot: BitcoinStocks
jurov: ok i forgot it was you who wanted to help... so you need to be more persistent
thestringpuller: i'll follow up tonight then
thestringpuller: pester the rettitard admins
pankkake: !up belcher
belcher: is there a way to get voice if i havent been voiced on entry?
belcher: sometimes i feel like saying something, but arnt voiced so just say screw it
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot belcher
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user belcher: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=belcher | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=belcher | Rated since: never
thestringpuller: no
thestringpuller: you need WoT
belcher: so at least one rating
pankkake: there are two: ask someone is assbot trust, or get yourself in the wot and get rated you can up yourself
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot Duffer1
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Duffer1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Duffer1 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Duffer1 | Rated since: Fri Dec 13 04:23:08 2013
thestringpuller: ;;ident Duffer1
gribble: Nick 'Duffer1', with hostmask 'Duffer1!~Duffer1@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is identified as user 'Duffer1', with GPG key id D5B0A00741A54A60, key fingerprint 68D283ADB0688306D98C5BE0D5B0A00741A54A60, and bitcoin address 1MHKhfiC7AgZdErt9b8xkXbcKoWSxPjJgG
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: hi Duffer1
Duffer1: ^.^
pankkake: Duffer1's not in assbutt l1?
Duffer1: ;;gettrust Duffer1
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Duffer1!~Duffer1@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user Duffer1 to user Duffer1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Duffer1&dest=Duffer1 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Duffer1 | Rated since: Fri Dec 13 04:23:08 2013
Duffer1: how is assets this afternoon?
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Ass as usual
thestringpuller: berry punny
kakobrekla: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/05/27/us-ibm-china-idINKBN0E70GG20140527
assbot: China pushing banks to drop IBM servers in hacking dispute - report| Reuters
asciilifeform: RIP truecrypt ?
BingoBoingo: http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/05/26/uk-india-politics-wife-idINKBN0E60X920140526
assbot: Secret service to end rural anonymity for Modi's wife| Reuters
BingoBoingo: Looks like Truecrypt is over.
BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/265yns/million_lines_of_code/cho3xhz
assbot: agenaille comments on Million Lines of Code
asciilifeform: http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/
assbot: TrueCrypt
asciilifeform: ^ lol
asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7812133
assbot: TrueCrypt suggesting migration to BitLocker? | Hacker News
asciilifeform: 'There's a new binary that recommends moving to BitLocker during install, and the signature matches.'
asciilifeform: 'Another possibility - the author was required by a court order to provide a backdoor for unfettered access to truecrypt disk, and to not disclose the existence of the order.'
asciilifeform: that'd be an interesting way to 'kill canary'
asciilifeform: say, 'attention dear users: we now fuck goats. have a pleasant day.'
punkman: lol
BingoBoingo: I guess a lot of people are going to have to return to keeping their hard drives suspended by string over a bucket of Aqua Regia
fluffypony: asciilifeform: see convo earlier re: truecrypt...something is weird
fluffypony: interesting
fluffypony: I never thought of it in the canary context
asciilifeform: truecrypt was always a strange beast (very peculiar distribution license, etc)
Mats_cd03: i spent a moment imagining what /r/bitcoin would be like with b-a mods
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Probably closed with a last post of "Forums suck socks"
Mats_cd03: it'd probably stay open for 2 years and then get locked to read-only, 'cept for people in WoT
punkman: is there something that can do file containers with gpg?
asciilifeform: punkman: gpg isn't really built for use as raw block device
pankkake: I guess you could do file level encryption with gpg, but… there are probably better solutions
pankkake: http://ecryptfs.org/about.html
asciilifeform: good chances the author of truecrypt has been nailgunned.
pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EncFS is multiplatform
assbot: EncFS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: encfs leaks side-channel data.
asciilifeform: (e.g. file sizes, access times, etc)
BingoBoingo: An interesting S.NSA widget would be an inline drive encryptor with physical key.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cardano is, in a sense, this
pankkake: yeah… it has some disadvantages compared to full disk encryption
asciilifeform: (with sd rather than external mechanical disk)
mircea_popescu: pankkake: not suppository? <<< ahahaa zing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cardano is indeed the propotype of such a thing. I'm thinking somthing like those hard to find widgets that occupy a 5.25" bay in a computer case.
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinhtx
mircea_popescu: an d who was bitponzi
BingoBoingo: !up bitponzi
BingoBoingo: No idea who bitponzi was.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00089054 = 1.7811 BTC [-]
fluffypony: pirateat40
diametric: ugh
fluffypony: guessing
diametric: everything I use is encrypted with truecrypt
diametric: now i have to waste time figuring out alternatives
mircea_popescu: assbot: Israeli (IDF) female soldiers girls dancing with guns and underwear << i dun get what the big scandxal is. if they had any sense they'd allow victoria's secret make an optional uniform for women in the service.
mircea_popescu: a regiment of topless-bikini camo clad chicks'd prolly kill
mircea_popescu: in more ways than one
mircea_popescu: diametric, truecrypt was kinda the suck.
mircea_popescu: last i said this a year ago consensus ended upo being "yeah but not much alternative"
pankkake: http://www.notrecinema.com/images/filmsi/bikini-bandits_146542_7391.jpg
BingoBoingo: http://www.addonics.com/category/cipherchain.php
assbot: Addonics Category: CipherChain
pankkake: truecrypt has been know as a shady unaudited mess of code for years
pankkake: BingoBoingo: NIST certified!!!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: we should all threaten Theymos << mass solutions, kinda meh
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Think how awesome a cardano keyed alternative would be.
BingoBoingo: http://www.addonics.com/products/ccm35mk1-2.php
assbot: Addonics Product: CipherChain Kit for 3.5" drive bay
mircea_popescu: pankkake, like thaqt except those women don't look like they could a) operate the hardware ; b) drag it around in the sun for 16 hours.
mircea_popescu: actual military chicks, diff story.
pankkake: I don't really see the point. I'll do the encryption software, and encrypt the key with the cardano
mircea_popescu: pankkake, actually, you can use the cardano to generate a multi-mb otp, keep it encrypted
diametric: mircea_popescu: yeah i agree, it was the best of the suck.
mircea_popescu: as long as you always regen your otps it's as unbreakable as it gets, and your decrypt function is simply bytexor or we
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Somethings are better handed off to hardware.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla:
mircea_popescu: no more decency http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/slike/2014-05-26-offsajd-antiterorizem-po-kitajsko-27641.jpg <<< ahahaha omfg i spilled
kakobrekla: ;)
mircea_popescu: so what happens if trhe terrorists turn on a huge fan on the side ?
mircea_popescu: do the mooks just sorta beep on their side ?
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=629399.0
assbot: [URGENT] CoSign Coin Fraudulently Listed on Bitcoin Bourse - NO IPO
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: i spent a moment imagining what /r/bitcoin would be like with b-a mods << actually cool.
mircea_popescu: anyone with a reddit presence want to start a subreddit ?
mircea_popescu: like say /r/bitcoin-nonsuck or w/e.
mircea_popescu: then ban anyone who posts retarded shit.
mircea_popescu: also ban all the reddit mods just for good measure.
pankkake: /r/bitcoin-fascism ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I guess you could do file level encryption with gpg, but… there are probably better solutions << i still don't get why anyone thinks container encryption is a thing or makes sense
mircea_popescu: seems to me a helicopter submarine.
mircea_popescu: pankkake, yea that. or bitcoin-privilege
mircea_popescu: bitcoin-1%
pankkake: on nice
pankkake: much better
pankkake: container level encryption is a compromise
diametric: i have a moderate reddit presence but not the attention span
mircea_popescu: anyway, if one must have container encryption, use the fucking tools. make a tarball that you gpg encrypt
mircea_popescu: it's both a file and a container
mircea_popescu: there's fucking reasons tar ended up the way it did, and they have to do with 30+ years of actual use in the field.
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 8000 @ 0.00021726 = 1.7381 BTC [+]
pankkake: doesn't work to back up 10 TB of files. I need the right layering
pankkake: backup and update the backup
mircea_popescu: tar will update.
mircea_popescu: and i doubt it works any less than your system works anyway.
pankkake: I use ZFS snapshots
mircea_popescu: prolly byte for byte mor efficient than truecrypt or anything else.
pankkake: my other backups are dar|xz|gpg. but not the big one
mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler
Dimsler: really
Dimsler: thats very interesting
Dimsler: i'm actually hesitant about using TC containers
Dimsler: i only use TC for full level encryptioin
asciilifeform: make a tarball that you gpg encrypt << tehsuck. decrypts to plaintext buffer (!) on disk for add/modify
pankkake: there's no reason to use trucrypt over cryptsetup
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, doesn't have to. you can give it a ramdisk
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: im just saying you know ? the tools are there, one doesn't actually need a particular packaging thereof
asciilifeform: but naive user will hang himself with own gun
mircea_popescu: one DEFINITELY doesn't want a populr packaging that's too likely to be attacked anyway
Dimsler: yeah i know
Dimsler: thats true
pankkake: it's what http://www.passwordstore.org/ does. when edited, it's on /dev/shm
assbot: Pass: The Standard Unix Password Manager
mircea_popescu: even if it were proper open sourcde (which truecrypt never really was) the entire "oh million of eyes" is a total myth.
mircea_popescu: like if a woman was washed by the FOSS, her nipples and vulva would be very clean
pankkake: it's great, it's secure, but again, not for a 10 TB backup of millions of files with frequent updated and history
asciilifeform: 'don't blame the mice' (obligatory)
midnightmagic: e.g. debian openssl fiasco
mircea_popescu: and her armpits and behind ears would grow new fucking strains of unbeforeseen molds
mircea_popescu: !up ccr_
Dimsler: but from what i gather the full drive encryption from truecypt is unhackable?
midnightmagic: ahhh ha ha ha, old school speculative fiction
mircea_popescu: Dimsler, i don't see it.
pankkake: all full disk encryption schemes have flaws
jurov: Dimsler: they were able to recover outlines from encrypted JPEG files
pankkake: and truecrypt is one of the less audited. just no reason to even risk it
asciilifeform: jurov: misconception. this was 'codebook mode' aes
jurov: that was supposedly fixed, but did not go deeper into
Dimsler: i've been using the 2 encryptions
Dimsler: two-fish and aes
mircea_popescu: isnt twofish aes ?
asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_cipher_mode_of_operation#Electronic_codebook_.28ECB.29
assbot: Block cipher mode of operation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dimsler: twofish was first
Dimsler: i think
asciilifeform: ^ see penguin example
pankkake: http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2014/04/30/you-dont-want-xts/
assbot: You Don't Want XTS — Quarrelsome
asciilifeform: twofish was submitted as an aes candidate
midnightmagic: aes is rijndael
Dimsler: whats the best to use for a container
midnightmagic: one of the simplest is just a plain luks crypted vol
midnightmagic: plus you can use stacked volume layering to stuff it into a raid config
jurov: under windows? or mac?
mircea_popescu: luks is prolly one of the better choices acutally
jurov: i also use ecryptfs where wholedisk is not possible... but it is too linuxonly
mircea_popescu: i think its lack of popularity has a lot to do with its usefulness.
Dimsler: luks is dm-crypt?
midnightmagic: actively maintained, kernel supported.
pankkake: luks is a header format for dm-crypt
midnightmagic: luks is accessed/used via cryptsetup(8)
pankkake: and I wouldn't call it unpopular
mircea_popescu: suopposedly faster than ecrypot too
mircea_popescu: ;;google schneier luks
gribble: Schneier on Security: Full-Disk Encryption Works: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/12/full-disk_encry.html>; Schneier on Security: Auditing TrueCrypt: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/04/auditing_truecr.html>; Schneier on Security: Protecting Your Privacy at International Borders: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2012/01/protecting_your_1.html>
midnightmagic: the nice thing is you can wreck the whole volume just by killing the corresponding luks slot.
asciilifeform: i'd say misconception here - software doesn't fall apart from overuse. but there are forces at work to ensure that derpatronics become popular, vs. actually solid products.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, exactly.
midnightmagic: i don't know ecrypot..
midnightmagic goes to look
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic, ecrypt omg
asciilifeform: e.g.:
asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/encryption-company-silent-circle-creator-of-blackphone-raises-30-million/2014/05/21/0f9f0820-e103-11e3-8dcc-d6b7fede081a_story.html
assbot: Encryption company Silent Circle, creator of Blackphone, raises $30 million - The Washington Post
midnightmagic: oh
pankkake: I use luks/dm-crypt and GELI (the FreeBSD equivalent)
asciilifeform: anyone who thinks 30m bezollars are permitted to fall into a pocket disfavoured by the crown - i've a bridge to sell to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i shall interestedly propose the heuristic "were they banned on twitter"
midnightmagic: pankkake: How is GELI to use anyway?
mod6: wth?!
pankkake: pretty simple. supports keys, passwords, many encryption schemes
kakobrekla: oh right, Schneier also has a beard.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: too easy. soon you'll trigger a wave of scamzors getting themselves banned to earn 'l33t street cred.
mod6: i must be laaaaaaaaged
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i imagine there's some interest against mass bannings. moreover, you aleways want to allign the creed leeching of scammers with your agenda.
mircea_popescu: spo let tens and tens of indians and somali kids twitter undesirable words, it's not a bad net result.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: mod6, what\s up
asciilifeform remembers facing pediwikian firing squad as a hardened spammer
asciilifeform: re: 'addonics cipherchain' - mystery meat. and see where they want to generate keys for you.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: !up rum234
mircea_popescu: i suppose one of the best ways to go, actually, would be to embed the encryption in the drive.
mircea_popescu: have a slot on the thing where end user plugs his own chip
mircea_popescu: decent way to generate terrabytes of prng data on the fly too
asciilifeform: remember the fellow who booted linux on a dead hdd's controller pcb?
asciilifeform: http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack
assbot: Sprites mods - Hard disk hacking - Intro
asciilifeform: (i did some work in this area myself a few years ago. nothing usefully publishable.)
mircea_popescu: mhm
asciilifeform: unfortunately, intimately specific to make/model of disk.
mircea_popescu: but i mean, how hard would this be, just a pluggable microsd.
mircea_popescu: user can populate it with w/e he wants.
mircea_popescu: entire thing is used as block chipher
asciilifeform: this'd call for an entirely open hdd design, something we're unlikely to see
mircea_popescu: depends. btc = 500 death threats, btc = 500k own computer parts factories
kakobrekla: yeah, unlikely.
mircea_popescu: took ~4 years to go from 0,001 to 500, will it need 4 more to go to 500k ?
asciilifeform: 500k btc -> i build cuprous oxide fab in bucky dome in back yard.
asciilifeform: patagonian back yard.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6, what\s up << haha, nothin. just saw like 69,000 lines go by in like 2 seconds. BLOOOP.
ThickAsThieves: Mats_cd03, mom says: Surgery may be better now than in 1999. If you wait too many years, the nerve becomes permanently damaged and surgery won't help. No way to know in advance though. For immediate relief, cold compress works best or cool hand soaks. Store bought braces may work. The stiffest braces are best and sleeping with them gives the nerves a rest and that may be enough. Go to
ThickAsThieves: a medical supply place, not CVS (drug store).
ThickAsThieves: Custom ones are the most comfortable. An orthopedic has to prescribe it. They wet a sheet of thick plastic, mold it to your hands and let it dry. There are no seams, have Velcro closures, and your wrists are positioned at exactly the right angle for relief. Also, try sleeping with your hands resting on pillows, without braces, hard to maintain through the night though.
ThickAsThieves: If braces are worn during off time and at night, there usually is no need to wear them during the day. It may take a month or so for it to subside. Heat is NOT good. Hope this helps. Also...avoid repetetive hand movements and relax hands every 15 minutes, easy to say...
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/blinding-light-the-us-crackdown-on-not-so-harmless-laser-strikes
assbot: Blinding light: The US crackdown on not-so-harmless laser strikes | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: this looks just like the other pieces on the subject, but sheds some light on the actual reason for the draconian punishments:
asciilifeform: small laser blinds polizei 'flir' cameras.
asciilifeform: wouldn't want uppity peasants to get ideas.
asciilifeform: tried to blind a flir drone? gasenwagen.
cgcardona: hey everyone o/
cgcardona: the header on trilema changed again? i thought it was once a quarter
midnightmagic: ./w 2
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
BingoBoingo: !up darlidada
BingoBoingo: !up knotwork
BingoBoingo: !up skinnkavaj
BingoBoingo: !up stickie
cgcardona: up up and away
BingoBoingo: http://spritesmods.com/?art=swordfish
assbot: Sprites mods - Damocles' Swordfish - Intro
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: lol
Mats_cd03: 14 fucking years. what.
asciilifeform: the 'poor, suffering pilots' are an idiot cover story.
asciilifeform: now we know for what.
asciilifeform: the pieces fall into place nicely.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00410012 = 0.4182 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 523 @ 0.00403595 = 2.1108 BTC [-] {9}
ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/05/28/berkshire-owned-real-estate-brokerage-pays-500000-fine/?mod=MarketsMain
assbot: Berkshire-Owned Real Estate Brokerage Pays $500,000 Fine - MoneyBeat - WSJ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.46508908 = 1.8604 BTC [-] {3}
cgcardona: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.59, Best ask: 577.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.41000, Last trade: 577.0, 24 hour volume: 8729.28444309, 24 hour low: 563.45, 24 hour high: 582.26, 24 hour vwap: 573.537985117
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 245 @ 0.00390001 = 0.9555 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03013324 = 0.2411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13039 @ 0.00089598 = 11.6827 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.0357497 = 0.9295 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=629399 here we go
assbot: [URGENT] CoSign Coin Fraudulently Listed on Bitcoin Bourse - NO IPO
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BingoBoingo: http://np.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/26on56/episode_ii_attack_of_the_neckbeards/cht37yz
assbot: NoThisIsActuallyGood comments on Episode II: Attack of the Neckbeards.
BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26o47f/please_report_this_person_to_twitter_they_are/chtbduk
assbot: omgitsmiley comments on Please report this person to twitter. They are threatening Andreas saying they will kill him.