benkay: asciilifeform: what was the name of the black bitbet?
BingoBoingo: If it didn't seem incredibly impending I might write a Magic Johnson to be part of new Clippers ownership group BitBet
jurov: just make a bet "new owner will be nigger"
jurov: ofc upon seeing that bet they'll put some unidentifiable race in charge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43119 @ 0.00098126 = 42.3109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00098126 = 12.2658 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i say that writing about how altcoins must die must die
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+]
benkay: no seriously the kids need to play with something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0339999 = 0.306 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: anything that gets people aware of the risks and difficulty of using cryptocurrencies without risking their actual btc is great.
jurov: ohohohohooo BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: His is well know to have it.
assbot: Voicing PCATLMarketing for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00098103 = 13.293 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00098126 = 11.5789 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50285026 = 1.0057 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00098199 = 5.1554 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50291091 = 1.0058 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00098103 = 14.0778 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00098099 = 3.6787 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29370635 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00098309 = 21.7263 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [+]
gribble: Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, GPG, MessageParser, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".
gribble: User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .
gribble: User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .
gribble: User 'benkay', with keyid 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun Mar 10 04:18:03 2013, last authed on Mon Apr 28 15:15:00 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=benkay . Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e .
Duffer1: ;;gpg rate 5 shrewd, discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
Duffer1: ;;gpg rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
Duffer1: thanks pankkake, it's been a while since i've rated anyone
Duffer1: ;;rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user dexX7 has been recorded.
pankkake: gribble commands are confusing, some have short aliases some do not
pankkake: and the online documentation is wrong in some places
dexX7: well, then you should go ahead and correct it maybe?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00463946 = 0.2505 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04239724 = 0.3392 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: "ERROR: Attempted to parse HTML with regular expression; system returned Cthulhu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04300001 = 0.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19128 @ 0.00097632 = 18.675 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: who was it that said programming is the art of telling people what to make the computer do?
benkay: "So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days."
benkay: i traded piss tests and the risk of digit loss for pressed shitboard
benkay: AND CAN'T TELL IF IT WAS A GOOD DEAL
mircea_popescu: " The only reason coders' computers work better than non-coders' computers is coders know computers are schizophrenic little children with auto-immune diseases and we don't beat them when they're bad."
mircea_popescu: ridiculous. i beat the shit out of my systems. i broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor once.
mircea_popescu: hm. but i guess this actually works, cause im not really a coder. a well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23661 @ 0.00097479 = 23.0645 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i just pounded it into bits and had another system made.
mircea_popescu: "I can't even weigh in on what passes for political discourse in this country because I would actually do what the crazies are accusing Obama of doing. Seriously: I would take away everyone's guns, force public healthcare on everyone, put all the bankers in jail, engage in a strategic, federally-funded campaign to eradicate religion, turn us into a socialist state, and give every annoying country in the world forty-eig
mircea_popescu: ht hours to stand down their armies before I nuked them back to the Cambrian. I probably wouldn't euthanize old people, but I might force abortions on the stupid."
benkay: well if you had the bits, why not just recompile?
mircea_popescu: "Any positive or negative response on a request-by-request basis would allow our adversaries to accumulate information and draw conclusions about NSA's technical capabilities, sources, and methods."
mircea_popescu: heh. the adversaries have it all mapped out, but thanks.
mircea_popescu: basically a less-annoying-than-usual applciation of cracked.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00097388 = 29.8007 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes.
benkay: welcome, Sorcier_FXK - what brings you to this vile armpit of the internet?
benkay: ;;gettrust Sorcier_FXK
benkay: davout: who is this Sorcier_FXK ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00097584 = 20.6878 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00098163 = 19.6326 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12369 @ 0.00097397 = 12.047 BTC [-] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: danielpbarron I can not offer commentary on trustworthiness of dignork. He helped me sign up a gpg key on my tablet while I was traveling for work. I have never done any business with him
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7131 @ 0.00097337 = 6.9411 BTC [-]
decimation: One of the best ways for a violator to demonstrate that its violation was not willful is to self-disclose it. Indeed, in recognition of this fact and in order to encourage self-disclosures of systemic problems, the Department of Justice has followed a policy of foregoing prosecutions of companies that make complete, and self-initiated voluntary disclosures.1 (The same policy does not apply to individuals.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03392391 = 0.1696 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0339999 = 0.17 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}
TestingUnoDosTre: is it possible to check w/ nickserv if someone has taken a nickname?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0339999 = 0.204 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03414225 = 0.239 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449778 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00098054 = 7.9424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11336 @ 0.00098163 = 11.1278 BTC [+]
decimation: I think the best feature of an undersea journey across the ocean would be the forced disconnection from the world. Seymour Cray said he got his best ideas digging a tunnel under his backyard.
TestingUnoDosTre: that's where all the fastest internet connections are... under da sea
decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI
TestingUnoDosTre: isn't chemistry one of the most dangerous activities for kids>
decimation: Later, Norris recalls, he asked Cray to write a five-year plan for CDC. The result: ''Five year goal: Build the biggest computer in the world. One year goal: Achieve one-fifth of the above.''
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00098246 = 12.9193 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00098463 = 13.5879 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51813216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15991 @ 0.00098054 = 15.6798 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9709 @ 0.00098054 = 9.5201 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03436705 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0344965 = 0.1035 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03449503 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03449471 = 0.1725 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.04300001 = 0.989 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 90 @ 0.0013 = 0.117 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 44 @ 0.04300001 = 1.892 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0344942 = 0.207 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449955 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349875 = 0.1305 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449862 = 0.138 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03475 = 0.2085 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349876 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349886 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23797 @ 0.00098163 = 23.3598 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00097883 = 4.992 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: a worthy read. many lulz at the expense of the sec.
ozbot: My First SEC Trial Transcript Has Some Real Comedy and a Message to Mary Jo White – SEC vs Schvach
cazalla: TestingUnoDosTre: you can always /msg nickserv info namehere
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1971 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.6710% in 11d 9h 41m 48s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.49222333 = 4.43 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49000001 = 0.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0400001 = 0.36 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.0009777 = 14.1278 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 670 @ 0.00090614 = 0.6071 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16822 @ 0.00098212 = 16.5212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00098212 = 18.6603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00098212 = 8.5444 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06768448 = 0.1354 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00098008 = 1.8622 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00098224 = 23.1318 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5875 @ 0.00098229 = 5.771 BTC [+]
Naphex: morning, fluff`, did you check out my working example for addresses? complete with dnssec, and server pubkey?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1624 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I'll track back and look at it this morning when I get a mo :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00098236 = 8.8412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00098008 = 4.9494 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ;;later tell dexX7 thanks for giving me morning readings :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00098266 = 9.6792 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00097887 = 16.2492 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50885144 = 2.5443 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19675 @ 0.00098296 = 19.3397 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07094347 = 2.483 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: decimation: mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals << dude you srsly typed that out ?!
mircea_popescu: decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI << i had a chemistry lab. complete with strong acids and everything, i had like a pint of vitriol oil.
mircea_popescu: holy shit there's 1mn pdf to html/etc converters online, NONE of them will take an url as input
mircea_popescu: why is the web made by imbeciles! srsly, how hard is to think this one through guys!
cazalla: mircea_popescu: 32 As an aside, there are options contracts for delivery of bitcoins and bitcoin - denomina ted commodity futures being sold at the MPEx Exchange . Recent news reports suggest that the Commodity and Futures Tr ading Commission in the US is evaluating its role in derivatives contracts that are denominated in bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: "My understanding of insider trading law is that in order for it to be insider trading, there must be some violation of trust. In other words, if someone walked up to you and said “Im the CEO of this public company and I’m about to make the biggest cash sale in the history of the company and we will blow away all wall street numbers and you should buy the stock”. That is without question material, non-public info
mircea_popescu: rmation. But if you trade on the information, is it insider trading ? The answer as best I understand the law is NO. It is not insider trading. Why ? Because the CEO did not ask you to keep the information confidential. Nor did he ask you not to trade on the information. You have no responsibility to him. You can trade and tell the world about his deal if you would like."
mircea_popescu: the cuban quote is quite inaccurate, if very self serving
mircea_popescu: someone should make a website that works just like google translate,
fluffypony: if you want I'll setup a little service to do it for you, we're running ghostscript on the one server for PDF invoices
fluffypony: lemme play with this little python snippet and see what I can do
punkman: I'll try their API, had it on some todo list a while ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26978 @ 0.00098323 = 26.5256 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: meanwhile, namecheap answers: "Unfortunately, technical department informed us that you should use only static IPs wih API. Once the IP is changed automatically the API will fail."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20405 @ 0.00098188 = 20.0353 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07079999 = 0.6372 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00097997 = 25.0382 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25875 @ 0.00098479 = 25.4814 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 290 @ 0.0013 = 0.377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00097778 = 11.1956 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11137 @ 0.00098012 = 10.9156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00098255 = 14.4435 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26654 @ 0.00097495 = 25.9863 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0711 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: no clue if that's his nick here, I'd assume so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00098149 = 11.6797 BTC [+]
Naphex: the syntax in lisp is just brilliant
Naphex: so easy to understand, and see what's going on ;]
Naphex: makes coding look like abstract art
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00097423 = 35.9491 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Activist Post: Silk Road Prosecutor Says IRS is Wrong, Bitcoin is Money
fluffypony: so basically: "Bitcoin is money. Or property. Or a medium of exchange. Or a store of value. Or gold. Dependent on whether we want to prosecute or tax you or both."
ThickAsThieves: hell they dont even have to do that, maybe just go ahead and let it be multiple things in law
assbot: Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes.
random_cat_: ty; sometime soon semi-auto authenticate will re-occur
random_cat_: the query was: isn't money [just] a special form of property?
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: why try to put a square in a round hole << i've said this for years. but now i'm starting to understand people are so stupid they don't realize they are stupid
ThickAsThieves: "A unique category of property is money, which in some legal systems is treated as tangible property and in others as intangible property."
gribble: Error: "later" is not a valid command.
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Aug 21 14:55:32 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 2 years, 16 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, and 0 seconds.
ozbot: [XCP] Adeally IPO Monday April 28
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07225812 = 2.3123 BTC [+] {5}
random_cat_: too bad halfreward does not mention the block number
gribble: Error: "totalbtc" is not a valid command.
fluffypony: "Just be happy that nobody has mentioned the Whistleblower program, which provides a 10-30% bounty on SEC enforcement actions that result from tips on possible SEC violations. With all of the faucet mongers on this forum, I imagine at least one or two of them would spend a few minutes on the SEC website for a payday down the road."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30543 @ 0.00097653 = 29.8262 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp | The weighted average price of BTC, 1000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 446.28772 USD. | Data vintage: 0.1078 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | Total bids: 9884457 USD. Total asks: 23180 BTC. Ratio: 426.41103 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 58.1081 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5546 @ 0.00097551 = 5.4102 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: they provided a snurl'd link to the SEC filing in the OP
ozbot: With all that cash, why is Apple borrowing to raise its dividend and buybacks? | PandoDaily
bounce: because the cash isn't really cash and stuck across borders and more of that bs?
assbot: Voicing princessnell_ for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: if you need help getting auth'd and all that jazz, people in here can help
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yep I know, but hey - competition is good for the soul;)
ThickAsThieves: well it at least means the vertical might actually exist
fluffypony: and there's a lot more to mining than cgminer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0340011 = 0.34 BTC [-]
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i thought you'd like that article. i am a fan of cuban, he's good people.
mike_c: good writeup. a bit harsh on mark, but he can take it.
mike_c: yes, would you like me to read it to you out loud? :)
thestringpuller: yes please. will you read it to me tonight before I go to bed
mike_c: absolutely. just send me 1 trilema credit.
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.36083449 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0404999 = 0.405 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: are you gonna do cumulative charts too ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0405 = 0.405 BTC [+]
mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there
mike_c: cumulative ROI from inception, it can be hard to tease out useful info. idk.
mike_c: aw, sheesh. fricking widget is busted. who coded this crap?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0009764 = 8.2018 BTC [+]
mike_c: so, last night i was on bitbet and was thinking that it would be cool to have a dynamic banner ad that promoted bitbets. aspiring affiliates could use it to make big moolah.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00097574 = 13.1725 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: proof of concept is slow & unstable (pings BB in background), but wouldn't be hard to make it solid.
kakobrekla: you could do like ?id=1,2,3 to feed it the pool from which to select the displayed text ?
kakobrekla: its not like im gonna run out bandwidth like ukyo does
mike_c: yeah, that would work. the default should be to grab from open bets (which it doesn't check right now).
mike_c: well, i'm thinking BB might get mad at my server and rate limit it.
bounce: *iwilcox* [...] these guys should be in #bitcoin-otc-uk this evening:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583152.0 [...] -- post from the 24th, claiming "We have developed a NASDAQ style exchange platform" and bitcoin/GBP for starters; logs then show a post 110 higer claiming to be "the only true UK bitcoin exchange".
☟︎ mike_c: but i have like, crazy traffic! BB might get swamped :D
kakobrekla: on a side point , the site is quite lightweight
mike_c: but i'm thinking i'll whip up an includable .js that writes out the image and a supplied affiliate id. then affiliates can use it in their advertising.
mike_c: static pages are nice that way.
bounce: re apple borrowing to pay dividents, they've been doing that for a while. though, thinking about it... are those off-shore profits still tax deductible when gifted to charities?
kakobrekla: fyi, when you scroll in /browse/, theres a delay added intentionally on loading new data, because without it, it was too fast and didnt look good.
ThickAsThieves: bounce, my guess is that they may not necessarily be donating that offshore money, but that they have less need to spend it there in the short term than they have need to spend money in the US. Sorta like theyve diverted more assets overseas than they need, but no so badly that theyre willing to eat the tax hit to bring it back.
ThickAsThieves: even more likely, they are biding their time for a tax holiday or special workaround yet to exist
bounce: I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money
kakobrekla: i just checked, 50ms delay, but you notice it.
ThickAsThieves: <+bounce> I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money --- well, they can't bring it back without paying their due. i suppose they could donate within the host country though. I really don't know the facts.
fluffypony: bounce: wow, there are so many "One True UK Bitcoin Exchanges" right now
fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one
bounce: oh yes, why not. entirely run by non-residents. there's a novel idea.
fluffypony: Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader"
fluffypony: the Seedcoin II funded *true* UK exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0405 = 0.162 BTC [+]
fluffypony: this UK exchange thing is becoming a living, breathing No True Scotsman fallacy
fluffypony: "Christian works as a Senior Application Security Architect for a large Investment Bank based in London"
fluffypony: so that's how you become a thought leader
bounce: my experiences with uk recruiters is... not good. "not enough unix" when there's six flavours on the old cv, that sort of stuff.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0700013 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
the20year: I would have thought mrstickball would have had a high enough rating for auto voice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
benkay: it's not quantity but quality
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot mrstickball
fluffypony: the20year: it's not about a "high" rating
fluffypony: the20year: you have to be in assbot's l1 or l2 to up yourself
benkay: uh but it seems mrstickball could up himself.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot the20year
benkay: the man can't self-up, ThickAsThieves.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0381001 = 0.381 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: what's the point of +m if someone just gets voiced every day by someone else?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share
benkay: the point is that those who can voice do so if they feel moved by the spirit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00097897 = 10.3771 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.38507092 BTC to 7`589 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: the20year: for srs has no one trust in you?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00097815 = 6.4558 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 42.37371273 BTC to 7`589 shares, 558357 satoshi per share
the20year: You'd think i'd be able to drum up more people considering i've been given along the lines of 1k btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.03800456 = 0.9121 BTC [-] {3}
mrstickball: the problem is that he never bothered with core/OTC until recently
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.03964468 = 0.7929 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07364998 = 0.1473 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: the20year: Well I'm averse to trusting you because of that thing where you consider Ohio viable enough to make it a core part of your schtick
the20year: So I've been working on ratings for 2 days, granted mrstickball i don't think still have enough trust after a year to voice himself
fluffypony: the20year: you can get enough trust to voice yourself the day you join
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 99 @ 0.03302152 = 3.2691 BTC [-] {6}
benkay: I'm averse to trusting the20year due to that whole 'suspend trading and sell stock at a fixed price' thing, BingoBoingo .
BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe that is a part of it? Maybe it isn't.
mrstickball: benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does
BingoBoingo: the20year: I thought I made my position on Ohio well known in the past.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.036 = 0.864 BTC [-]
fluffypony: the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people
ThickAsThieves: <+mrstickball> benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does <<< only of the20year allows it
the20year: with suspending shares for 2nd phase? I'm not aware of any option they have outside of it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.036 = 0.972 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07385419 = 3.1757 BTC [+] {7}
benkay: yeah, this "havelock's the problem here!" whine carries absolutely no water.
mike_c: <+fluffypony> the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people << if they give ratings for trading peanuts OTC
benkay: sell at the market price. that's the honest thing to do.
the20year: Our stock is based on USD, and that was the price of USD:BTC at the time of re-issuing
fluffypony: mike_c: sure, doesn't have to be peanuts tho - 1 BTC isn't a bad trade OTC
BingoBoingo: the20year: That part where that river lit on fire in your state. The General shittiness of THE Ohio State University needing to emphasize the "THE", there are others
benkay: it doesn't matter. you don't get to set a price for your freely traded paper.
the20year: BingoBoingo: and those are economic factors because?
the20year: If there's no demand for said paper, then there's no demand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0072648 = 0.138 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00726480 / 0.00747862 / 0.00750000 (209 shares, 1.56303120 BTC), 7D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749755 / 0.00750000 (1822 shares, 13.66053120 BTC), 30D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749981 / 0.00750000 (23119 shares, 173.38803120 BTC)
mrstickball: BingoBoingo: so you're judging someone based on a university they are not affiliated with?
BingoBoingo: the20year: Because maybe Ohio might decide to make the rivers flamable again? Maybe the whole state collapses into Earth's mantle after a football loss.
benkay: yeah, you found some suckers. doesn't make what they're doing investing, doesn't make what you're doing not insane.
BingoBoingo: mrstickball: No. I am judging their land tied rental business based on its location.
the20year: And our fund isn't an investment because?
the20year: Based on pollution problems from the 1960s and a college in the state
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 40 @ 0.06474168 = 2.5897 BTC [-]
benkay: the20year: it's a reference to the difference between what happens on havelock and what investing actually is. reading comprehension ftw.
BingoBoingo: And the movie Major League didn't exactly paint a flattering portrait of the state
BingoBoingo: There are lots of reasons to doubt Ohio is going to last the next decade, much less the next century before it collapses into a North American Somalia.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53593 @ 0.00098025 = 52.5345 BTC [+] {3}
mrstickball: yeah, so that means everyone from Ohio is an idiot, and you should never do business with them, eh?
ozbot: A Billion Doesn’t Buy Respect | When Bitcoin Met Pete
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
the20year: is there a way to get a multi-day log from bitcoin-assets?
BingoBoingo: mrstickball: When you have a venture tied to physical land, generally the idiots surrounding it affect the desirability of that land.
mrstickball: I see, nice to know that you feel that way about 10 million people
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03399999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23057 @ 0.00098335 = 22.6731 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: a fundamental right of persons is to dislike things, whether the things are chocolate, puppies, or locations
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
mrstickball: Sure, its a right. Doesn't make the view correct
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03282499 = 0.6565 BTC [-] {5}
the20year: It's like that lady I was talking to on facebook last night who said gasonline prices are lower on average under Obama than the past administrations
the20year: I even dug up the EIA weekly gasoline price report going back to 1990
BingoBoingo: mrstickball: It's a judgment. Time reveals correctness. I judge Ohio to dangerous to have anything tied to its land.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0311 = 0.1244 BTC [-]
mrstickball: so you believe in 10 years, Ohio will be like Somalia? Willing to bet BTC on that?
benkay: the20year: wouldja share that EIA data?
benkay: bitbet only goes out 12 mos.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0062041 = 0.6204 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: of course it's not really 'gasoline' any more. 'corn oil', and subsidized at that.
the20year: Corn oil sells locally for $3.25/gal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 100 @ 0.14 = 14 BTC
BingoBoingo: benkay: Worse than that. Corn Alcohol rendered undrinkable. That and it doesn't lubricate engine parts.
benkay: right. corn alcohol, not oil.
ozbot: Dark Wallet Alpha - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.02820001 = 0.2538 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Bloomberg's Trading Terminals Now Providing Bitcoin Pricing - Slashdot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02820001 = 0.141 BTC [-]
punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02820001 = 0.282 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03077777 = 0.277 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: Dark Wallet was conceived last summer by Wilson and Amir Taaki. << immediately stopped reading when I saw Taaki's name
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.03180768 = 0.4135 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.031 = 0.217 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: for conception's sake
punkman: Amit Avner, The veteran of Israeli Defense Force's elite intelligence and programming unit is a coding prodigy who started a search engine at age 14. does advertising to put brands in real-time social conversations for major brands like American Express, Paramount Studios, Pepsi and Samsung.
punkman: this Forbes list has a lot of derp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 53 @ 0.06474168 = 3.4313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00097815 = 1.6629 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing mius for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
Dimsler: yeah i left my btc wallet back home
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
ozbot: Using Facebook Notes to DDoS any website | A Programmer's Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 162 @ 0.001 = 0.162 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.14 = 0.98 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50454994 = 1.0091 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00097757 = 14.5658 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00459 = 0.1652 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 17 @ 0.006017 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Amsterdam, Bitcoin Conferences, Quantum Mining and the Future
mike_c: ^ open market seems to disagree with 3po price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50499989 = 1.01 BTC [+]
mike_c: 9 paragraphs, 11 footnotes :) you guys.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097705 = 8.6957 BTC [-]
mike_c: tat you should live-ish blog, that would be interesting. and then you can capture some of those interesting conversations before they grow fuzzy in recollection.
ozbot: PHP Manual Masterpieces
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Statements should be in your mailbox
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6906 @ 0.00012322 = 0.851 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 831 @ 0.00012729 = 0.1058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00097705 = 31.6564 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.02883412 = 1.1822 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07477643 = 1.1964 BTC [+] {5}
bounce: where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable though requires something of a revamp, so probably yet another altcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 644 @ 0.00451278 = 2.9062 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.0043548 = 0.4311 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0741 = 1.0374 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0336 = 0.1344 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0334999 = 0.134 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07386034 = 0.8863 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31065 @ 0.00097676 = 30.343 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35635 @ 0.00097328 = 34.6828 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07499989 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07499989 = 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07101492 = 0.142 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
benkay: for teh lols, it takes > a minute to generate 4096 bit keypair on a cutting edge iOS device
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10710 @ 0.00097931 = 10.4884 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0300001 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 28 @ 0.00739958 = 0.2072 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: I wouldn't generate any kind of key on such device
fluffypony: benkay: presumably due to lack of entropy not due to it being tough to crunch?
benkay: fluffypony: i'd assume.
benkay: Apocalyptic: it's an adequate solution.
ozbot: Yelp now lists businesses that accept Bitcoin - CNET
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097943 = 8.7169 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0309999 = 0.186 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0741 = 0.5187 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.07011241 = 6.0297 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50969968 = 1.0194 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.50969986 = 1.5291 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00097943 = 20.9598 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 3.20000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 8000 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00098139 = 16.7818 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48320571 = 4.8321 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07406305 = 0.1481 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48264098 = 4.8264 BTC [-] {8}
ozbot: FSU Athlete Explains Why Jameis Winston Allegedly Stole Food
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "The jury is deliberating in the lawsuit between Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) and Samsung, but their decision is modified and perhaps complicated by the fact that any damages awarded to Apple will be paid not by the Korean copycat, but by Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG). Google, the creator of the Android platform, agreed to absorb a portion, or the entirety, Samsung’s losses (if any) and court
ThickAsThieves: costs because the infringed patents relate to the Mountain View firm’s software, and not Samsung’s hardware. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing daybyter for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing jorash for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
akstunt600: i have a new coin with a very cool new concept i would like to implement
daybyter: C....not java...everybody hates java... :-(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00097943 = 5.093 BTC [-]
akstunt600: yeah lol, java scares me anymore. Such a shame ecause i supported Java devs for years as a systems admin
akstunt600: i think javav clients and wallets scare many miners/investors
daybyter: I write all my trading code in java...
BingoBoingo: Local java can be workable for some uses, but... Even then usually there are better options.
Naphex: great if you know how to use it, when and where
BingoBoingo: The whole having a Giant API layer to run some "portable" code is a turn off.
Naphex: you can have that api layer as clean as you want
thestringpuller: You'd think the garbage collection would be more efficient than someone manually allocating memory.
daybyter: I run my code on my 256MB smartphone...
Naphex: thestringpuller: not that many problems with gc if you don't trash like an asshole
Naphex: you're suposed to do quality code
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12680 @ 0.00097943 = 12.4192 BTC [-]
Naphex: don't trash, and you won't have gc problems
punkman: can't even browse interesting Java code without a damn IDE, all those damn subdirectories
thestringpuller: because when we set a pointer to null it'll be gc'ed in the next cycle
Naphex: you guys should see enterprise software
Naphex: like public transportation dispatches
Naphex: at that point having IDE's with autocomplete, context lookup and refactoring
daybyter: good trading software is also big...
thestringpuller: Naphex: i used to work for a payment processor who wrote the entire webapp in java
Naphex: i wouldn't do webapp dev in java tough
Naphex: and servlets and ee sucks ass
Naphex: standalone java, ftw, and backends and such
Naphex: i'd rather do scalable server backends, with nio in java then anything other
Naphex: boost c++ / python(or the realtime variants) / whatever
daybyter: you want to work on java code?
Naphex: you have static code, very good nio stack, and nice threading
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
Naphex: i wouldn't do GUI/servlets/ or webdev in java
daybyter: the bot can create a web UI for server mode.
daybyter: but still needs a lot of work...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3310 @ 0.00097943 = 3.2419 BTC [-]
akstunt600: lol @ garbage collection issues, iits atrocious still
akstunt600: i like boost c++ i can even contribute in it. i mean i have already made the base for this new coin
akstunt600: I have never actually done more than the basic tuts in eclipse for c++
Naphex: boost c++ == java runtime for C++ :)
akstunt600: yeah i saw alot of semblance between the two
Naphex: plus i'd also wager that java profiling/analyzing/debugging tools are some of the best around
daybyter: I just use some simple SYstem.out.println...
Naphex: daybyter: try intelij maybe, or not an ide :]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10390 @ 0.00097598 = 10.1404 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0300001 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 31 @ 0.00710059 = 0.2201 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [+]
akstunt600: just nice syntax highlisting and able to search and replace quickly
akstunt600: I used diff and cime to make this new base coin
akstunt600: Not sure i want it to be pow/pos after readin up more on it and gettin a bit more intamate
akstunt600: However POSv is intriguin the velocity of money is a great idea
ThickAsThieves: my recent blog post has been softened a bit to be a little less bitcoinpete-y about the quantum mining guys
ThickAsThieves: well if i'm gonna be writing blog posts about people i better make sure i put myself in their shoes, since i'm more likely to be wearing them at some point
mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0739 = 0.2217 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
gribble: the code is a valid currency on your target market. Default currency is USD.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 448.56, vol: 10740.77264368 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 440.974, vol: 7166.42317 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.95000001, vol: 7354.70049941 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 442.71, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 445.630074, vol: 4064.44780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 451.84808, vol: 5.76850587 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 454.83009, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.
gribble: Error: "less" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "plenty" is not a valid command.
FabianB: ;;ticker --market all --currency eur
gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 323.41176, vol: 10740.78072368 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 321.05028, vol: 122.88625 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 319.19391, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 321.456384, vol: 4063.02780000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 323.9393, vol: 761.77418746 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 327.9, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last average: 322.925581931
mike_c: so who is fucking with ATC? mined like crazy until diff change, then they all shut off. stupid pool hoppers.
FabianB: is it on any of the switchpools?
ThickAsThieves: there has always been a bit of a pattern like that with atc
mike_c: last diff change was like 200%, next diff change projected at -67%
ThickAsThieves: yeah, ive seen several times where it starts -% prediction then ends up +
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Last diff change was quite a while ago wasn't it?
ThickAsThieves: like people mining only at the tail end of the period or some shit
fluffypony: "I agree, confidentiality agreements are not the funnest situations"
mike_c: BingoBoingo: april 27 i believe.
fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like everyone's trolling on the forum worked - "We have decided to re-structure Seedcoin Fund 2 to make it more attractive to potential investors and to re-launch the offering in the near future. All current SF2 investors will be refunded and invited to join the future offering."
ThickAsThieves: or was it "we have realized aint no one gonna buy this, back to the drawing board!"
mike_c: almost all that hash power seems to be gone now.
mike_c: indeed. I wonder what it would cost to rent some miner's hashpower to smooth out the bumps.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 149792.42 in 1834 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -67.10
ThickAsThieves: like i mentioned in romania, i was considering sponsoring some miners
mike_c: did you make any inquiries?
ThickAsThieves: but mircea was right, as usual, the best way to support them is by buying ATCs
thestringpuller: i imagine ATC will become extremely useful in lieu of the testnet
mike_c: well, price support is nice. but it seems that can lead to what just happened. that is, it gets profitable and so a huge flood of hash hits the network, profit is taken, and hash leaves.
mike_c: now the only way to attract would be to make it profitable at the new difficulty level, which is way too high
mike_c: and could result in the same problem happenning again
mike_c: so having some TH/s in your back pocket to smooth out these kind of bumps still seems like a good idea.
mod6: thestringpuller: and remember there is always %help
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <ATC Address> | %atc_mined | %block <block_height> | %last_block | %cm_rate | %ptp_rate
mike_c: hands-off management might not be the answer here :)
mod6: on the next restart, some of those commands will be smaller: %last_block becomes %lb, etc.
atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30422 Time: 2014-04-30T19:37:51Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 0000000000002498569861e6b76cafa903d6e235cf337d8da3d4d7a8d224eceb Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 518 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
mike_c: mod6: and it will only check for commands at start of line?
mod6: yeah, i can add that too.
atcbot: [ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 15575552 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.80
ThickAsThieves: but that doesnt mean i wont donate to someone else providing hash security for the network
BingoBoingo: With only just under 6% mined, I dunno if advancing difficulty supposed price is the right approach.
mike_c: well, mining is a PITA. I would be interested to know what it would cost to get an option from some miners where they would agree to put some hashes on ATC when we want in the amounts we want.
mike_c: i'd also like to hear more from mircea_popescu if he thinks this is a bad idea.
ThickAsThieves: except we actually do stuff for the health of the coin n stuff
mike_c: yes. can i be an amber member? platinum is so 2013.
ThickAsThieves: i think stan might be good at designing membership levels
fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo?
fluffypony: why not look at something like KGW or DigiShield?
fluffypony: they're both half a dozen of one, six of another
fluffypony: but they prevent multipools from taking advantage much
mike_c: one of the nice things about altcoin is that is bitcoin in disguise.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03350004 = 0.67 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.03295674 = 2.0433 BTC [-] {14}
fluffypony: mike_c: which is fine when you have 57ph/s network wide, but when you have a significantly small distribution it's easy to manipulat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03095223 = 0.6809 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00097356 = 9.3949 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: so whilst doing the whole "Bitcoin in disguise" thing is humorous, if the aim is to prevent multipools or someone with a wack of hashing power abusing it (and thus making it even more useless/pointless) then there are solutions to that
ozbot: OpenSSH No Longer Has To Depend On OpenSSL - Slashdot
mike_c: yes, well, i'd rather pay a miner 0.2 btc to let us down gently from this difficulty bump instead of completely change the coin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03200199 = 0.16 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03208333 = 0.1925 BTC [+] {6}
fluffypony: how is adding a more rapid difficulty adjustment "completely" changing the coin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0325 = 0.26 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032375 = 0.1295 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: I'd argue that Satoshi was optimistic in his difficulty adjustment timeframe
mod6: ok quick atcbot restart here.
ThickAsThieves: well we aint gonna change the diff adjustment time now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.033125 = 0.1325 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.0339615 = 0.4415 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0345 = 0.276 BTC [+] {5}
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.03023557 = 1.028 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02968047 = 0.6233 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0345 = 0.5175 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03477777 = 0.313 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0355 = 0.1775 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 36 @ 0.0372836 = 1.3422 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00097598 = 12.151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6281 @ 0.00097917 = 6.1502 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0359 = 0.1436 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I'm kind of wondering... Spz someone wanted to buy an SHA-256 ASIC for AltCoin... Where the fuck would they even buy one?
BingoBoingo: I dun think seems so is good enough for mining hardware.
rithm: go away assbot you are drunk
rithm: !down danilepbarron
rithm: !down danielpbarron
assbot: rithm, you can't do that to danielpbarron.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: how much hash you looking to get?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5036 @ 0.00097889 = 4.9297 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm not actually looking to hash, but I am supposing if someone actually wanted hash... Who sells hash.
benkay: should be able to purchase hashes on one of the hash exchanges
assbot: danielpbarron, you can't do that to rithm.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Nah, I mean actual physical hardware.
rithm: would it be terrible if you couldn't get voiced in her danielpbarron
danielpbarron: rithm: i mostly read in here; my opinion barely matters at my stage in the game
rithm: i just listen now because assbot
rithm: assbot broke my spirit and ruined bitcorn
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That... actually doesn't seem bad.
mike_c: yeah. there are a few "companies" doing bitmain reselling in US. that guy (112bit) has been doing it for awhile.
mike_c: pay the money, few days later a dusty box shows up from china.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Maybe I haven't heard of them because there hasn't been a big fuss over "scam"
fluffypony: AntMiner has an extremely positive perception
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48202011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48200011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.00577117 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {5}
danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? There is a way to verify that a GPG key is associated with a twitter profile; #bitcoin-otc could be replaced with a twitter hashtag
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.00565049 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.029555 = 0.5911 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: you don't have to use keybase to do what i'm suggesting
fluffypony: asciilifeform: apparently you can use it with pubkeys only
danielpbarron: lol so don't trust keybase; you can still GPG sign a data object describing your association with a twitter profile and then calculate a hash of that signature and tweet it
danielpbarron: it would help to have a standard, whatever it is, so that the WoT twitter bot could scan for the verification tweets for the purpose of authing users
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00097806 = 22.6421 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: there could be more than one WoT twitter bot, too (is this getting close to a decentralized WoT; just brainstorming here)
pankkake: if only namecoin didn't solve all that already
pankkake: perhaps it should have been called namecoin.io
danielpbarron: that would be cool too; i've been a fan of Namecoin for a while now
punkman: isn't there one like keybase that works on namecoin?
ozbot: NameID: Your Crypto-OpenID
pankkake: except I didn't have to give my private key to anyone
danielpbarron: why does everyone keep saying "give private key to someone" << I never suggested doing that!
danielpbarron: and cool, i'm going to update my id/ to make it work on that site
punkman: how big is the namecoin blockchain now?
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assbot: Voicing dR3 for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing navhul-lacsup for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18069 @ 0.00097917 = 17.6926 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00097931 = 10.8654 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Phoenix judge spares controversial pit bull's life
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 61 @ 0.06474168 = 3.9492 BTC [-]
ozbot: Med Student Elizabeth Raine Auctioning Virginity Faces Critics
gribble: You rated user fluffypony on Mon Apr 14 15:08:15 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: PPUSD for BTC. Smoooooth sailing..
ThickAsThieves: "In order to circumvent U.S. laws prohibiting prostitution, Raine said the actual sex experience will take place in Australia, where it is legal."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48140201 = 4.814 BTC [-] {7}
BigBitz: Pick up hooker. Go to Australia. Done.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0340001 = 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6437 @ 0.00097238 = 6.2592 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0729008 = 0.3645 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: plenty of countries around the world you can get a virginity cert off any gp.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i knew chicks like that. "saving themselves for marriage". kinda pervy imo
ThickAsThieves: all these claims of virginity, then one day "Hey did you know Mikey put it in her pooper?"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "honey, all that trouble i went to so you could have a bloodied pecker and make me hurt... show some appreciaiton."
ThickAsThieves: well we never screwed, that event kinda wrecked things over time
mircea_popescu: hey, what was btc-e's first altcoin scam thing called ? i forget, was it novacoin ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight.
JorgePasada: I'm assuming the general opinion in this channel is that most of the altcoins are just pump and dump schemes
fluffypony: JorgePasada: there are some altcoins I quite fancy
fluffypony: he thinks they are the very scorn of the earth
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:is bitcoin money? yes is it property? yes << and who the fuck would accept such laws ?
mircea_popescu: or are we of the persuasion now that laws need just be made, and teh populace will just swallow whatever they happen to be /
fluffypony: JorgePasada: I like VertCoin because it keeps my GPU frames in business; I'm peripherally interested in PPC because of PoS; I think X11 based coins like Darkcoin are playing with some interesting concepts, and I am VERY interested in (the new) Bytecoin's ring signatures (although I prefer Monero as it's Bytecoin's code but without the dodgy premine/possibly faked blockchain data)
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight. /// lol it was obv much more complicated than that, i was a teenager!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Did you receive the latest trading statement?
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.39072182 BTC
fluffypony: asciilifeform: proof of stake...they haven't gotten the implementation anywhere close to useful, but I think the idea is interesting
JorgePasada: Anyone from here going to the thing in Amsterdam?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla am i correct in assuming panacea s.mpif investment is 50.0 may 1st ?
JorgePasada: Also, I think proof of stake is interesting in theory
mircea_popescu: so that's everyone then, i will be publishing the f.mpif 1st statement tonight.
☟︎ JorgePasada: the problem is I have yet to see a good way of implementing it that handles both the technical AND social aspects of implementation
mircea_popescu: fluffypony but that was my point. if you think something's interesting you gotta be able to explain it :)
fluffypony: JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves is going to it
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I know, it's on my "stuff to understand" list
JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: wanna grab a beer in Amsterdam?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: presumably once I understand the "how" I may come to the same conlusion
ozbot: Ohio Bans Buying Booze With Bitcoin | Enterprise | WIRED
mircea_popescu: ohio is like, figthing wisconsin to the death in this derpiest state competition
BingoBoingo: Only thin Ohio as produced are astronauts, people so traumatized by Ohio they had to leave this world.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is like never on anymore, he's almost like a guy with a day job and 3 side projects + a small kid or something.
joecool: well it's not like ohio's a very appealing place to go
joecool: unless you're a sex offender
mircea_popescu: joecool judging by the property values, it's somewhere between kenya and utah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07230433 = 0.7953 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.03324094 = 0.6981 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there << I lolled. because cum ROI is lolzy.
ozbot: U.S. Commando Mission in Philippines Getting Overhaul
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: next thing you'll be using emoji in chan
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03099908 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: asciilifeform: what a waste of an Italian flag
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one << start them in scotland, make every logics professor happy.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I nearly said as much a few lines late;)
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader" << does this guy aspire to overtake Dr. Foreskin ?
JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: I'm just some guy, who does things. :-)
mircea_popescu: what is with these fuckwits! it's like an entire new circle of strange broke last year, the "thoughht leaders"
JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: benkay introduced me to this place, know him from meetups/trading locally
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we should ALL become thought leaders...it could be the criteria for us each running our own One True UK Bitcoin Exchange
mircea_popescu: the20year: Not here at least it seems << dude you're becoming an exercise in squandered youth. shoulda gotten in the wot like you know, 6 months ago or w/e.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> everyone wants to fucking push the rope. << It's how one shoots self with a Bow.
fluffypony: "They link to a google doc on their website (which is where I pointed you to on my previous post). It's an example of putting in effort on transparency."
fluffypony: "I still haven't gotten dick all, other then a lower share price and a huge missed opportunity on GoCoin, from seedcoin1. Fuck this."
mircea_popescu: one of the better cocksuckers i know used to live there pre-rescue.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014" << how the fuck's that kid an entrepreneur lol
fluffypony: assbot needs to be like"THOUGHT LEADER!"
joecool: mircea_popescu: bro he's been starting companies since before it was cool
mircea_popescu: polimedia was started 2007. got an amir reg from prior ?
BingoBoingo: Well... I've never found anything about the place pleasant. Doesn't preclude the occasional gem from coming out of there, but it's enough to judge the location.
joecool: mircea_popescu: no clue, they are all likely hard to remember names
joecool: mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, the past decade or so, everyone sets up an LLC for something, and 99% of them fail or do nothing
BingoBoingo: I mean Arkansas has a state park where the reason to go is diamonds, often of gem quality, literally lay on the ground. Yet people don't go flood Arkansas trying to get to that one attraction.
mircea_popescu: my argument here is that he fails to meet even the lowest common denominator.
assbot: Voicing napedia for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0349989 = 0.105 BTC [+]
joecool: BingoBoingo: it involves effort and luck, some people do spent tons of time there
mircea_popescu: i think i probably formed more llcs than anyone in bitcoin has had sex partners, and probably in more jurisdictions than these folks have travelled.
joecool: BingoBoingo: there was a woman that found the only perfect natural diamond ever recorded a few years back, she's likely still diggin away
BingoBoingo: joecool: Sure some people spend tons of time there, but some people also buy groceries for sweepstakes entries.
Naphex: well, better sleep then stay all night optimizing dumdum raid arrays with ssd's
Naphex: strlen for hashing functions
mircea_popescu: bounce:where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable << dude srsly. quantum proofing is not doable.
BingoBoingo: Eh, some of my best days have been 72 hours up followed by 18 hours down.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves tried to rate him, not in the database
mircea_popescu: yeah i c. as you perhaps guessed, i'm a log interpreter not compiler.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema) << what, the outrage is wholly user contributed.
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BingoBoingo: mike_c: Looks like you are getting the first S.MPIF statement tonight so you can analytics.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.00697997 = 0.1047 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mike_c actually i think the variations in hashing are great. -2/3 isn't too impressive, and every al;tcoin goes through this scenario.
mircea_popescu: "profit is taken" is nonsense. the huge flood mines what, 50 blocks ? 500 ? what profit is there to be taken,
mircea_popescu: a single day on xtc there were like 30k blocks traded.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: ah, that's cool
mircea_popescu: so in short, i don't think it's a bad idea if thats how you want to spend your time, but i do think it doesn't do much either way.
mike_c: "every altcoin goes through this" << yes.. and most of them fail.
mike_c: bitcoin's biggest drop ever was 18%
mircea_popescu: remember that "Resilience" is just another way of saying "not giving a shit".
mircea_popescu: i mean, this coiuld marghinally be an argument if there were like, merchants, doing txn, being disrupted. but the average txn per block is like... 0.8 or something
mircea_popescu: in other words, "woman, i know you love the kid, now let him crack his fucking skull open. we'll mend him afterwards, IF he manages."
mike_c: yeah. i guess if there were a merchant trying to use ATC he'd probably be the only one worked up over it. hey satoshijack, what you think?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's exactly one failure mode of a coin, and that is, no buy side.
atcbot: 35k@225 42k@222 12k@220 | 110k@195 2k@170 5k@156
mike_c: re: cuban, you started the article basically saying he was clueless :) i'm just a fanboy, so i was feeling defensive.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin's constant dfif growth is a major driver of inflation (more coins / unit time than designed = inflation), and that acts as a price depressant.
mircea_popescu: mike_c indeed you were :p but i was saying he's an asshole, not clueless. which i do believe is what happened there, he started trying to be pr-asshole and ended up losing focus and just spilling.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Yeah, bothers me when people say "Hoarding is bad" or "People need to use their coins instead of holding them" or "Speculators are ruining the market"
mike_c: it was some good quotes from the trial though.
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada what do people know. they also say "abstinence only sex ed" and stuff.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is"
JorgePasada: all those things completely ignore the buy side of the equation
mircea_popescu: look, you've seen kids play ? all the kids aspire to be the kid that picks what game they all play.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: same thing here, everyone with a keyboard figures he could be picking the music, why not.
JorgePasada: Buyers/speculators are essential to market health
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03369997 = 0.2022 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: my current thinking is that any approach to economy that's not agent-agnostic is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo? << 512.
JorgePasada: I think I get what you're saying but, clarity is always good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.032 = 0.64 BTC [+]
ozbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00097238 = 0.9238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00097329 = 19.7091 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? << i dun think i'd want that really. but maybe a gpg-based ircitter may be interesting.
JorgePasada: It certainly isn’t wishful thinking, it’s rather fearful thinking,
JorgePasada: Amusingly, there’s no difference between these two :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0324 = 0.2592 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i have no investment in your emotional investment. consequently, whether you wish or fear is all the same to me.it's merely the amplitude that interests, not the direction.
mircea_popescu: "makes little difference to the tree which way the wind blows. all that matters is how strongly" sorta thing
JorgePasada: The guy who you're taking the excerpts from seems to miss (or be terrified of the fact) that all the questions he's asking and the points your making come back to one thing
JorgePasada: and he's trying to wrap it up all nice and neat and objectify it into something that can be cold, cool and calculated and make him feel all safe and warm inside