mircea_popescu: it'll give you a challenge and then you're part of the cool kids
buanz0: fernet is a herbal bitter that argentines love
mthreat: BingoBoingo: hmm. it's a italian aperitif, I believe. Not very good by itself.
buanz0: i will do that later, just popping in for a quick WASSSSSUUUP per your request, mircea_popescu
buanz0: it is awesome by itself, you just need to be non-unitedstatian
mthreat: apparently the hipsters in SF are big on fernet right now
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ack, mthreat At their best bitters of any sort are a garnish, not a drink of themself.
buanz0: you might remember that Alfred from batman forever drinks fernet :P
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ill give them ths much tho , you can order strega in most cafes and they'll have it.
mthreat: BingoBoingo: an italian told me that in italy they drink it like a medicine
mircea_popescu: haven't tried galliano and other herbal shit, but anyway
mthreat: so i guess it's the equivalent of drinking robitussin
buanz0: i drink it as a stomach med
mircea_popescu: <mthreat> so i guess it's the equivalent of drinking robitussin << ok, i can see that.
buanz0: i have seen some pretty weird stuff, mir
mthreat: mircea_popescu: actually, a place you might like is one of the "secret" speakeasys
mircea_popescu: i was telling buanz0 about their bdsm party and he was all like... omg when's the next one.
mircea_popescu: then i told him he'll have to talk the wife into going naked, he visibly softened.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Strega's nice. mthreat buanz0 If you want to robotrip just drink the tussin. Unless you have unfortunate genetics at CYP2D6 you'll survive a bottle.
buanz0: I distill absinth myself.
buanz0: still, not my kind of poison
BingoBoingo: Usually there's only a little vomitting. I've only had the experience thrice before surrendering to it being unpleasant in spite of the right genetics.
buanz0: naked wifes only in summer
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moiety: absinth is what has created my wtf nights
benkay: <mircea_popescu> so til argentina has no national drink // fernet!
benkay: it comes in big gulps at the big clubs
buanz0: the national drink is a herbal infusion known as mate
benkay: i have a bag of mate in the cupboard
benkay: CAN YOU TELL I LIKED IT?
buanz0: yeah, our national drink means "to do it" in english. we frikin rule :P
mthreat: mircea_popescu: ever notice people walking around with a big thermos and a small silver cup with a silver "straw"?
mircea_popescu: (also, funny story : i visit friend, she's not there, i decide to make tea. i make tea, i taste it, ittastes like shit. eventually i get bored and leave.
benkay: mircea_popescu: who's buanz0
mircea_popescu: she calls me later "hey, did you boil some catnip at my place ?!"
mircea_popescu: me "ow shit, that's why it tasted like shit. i thought you kept tea in the cupboard"
benkay: moiety: i read something you wrote earlier as "5-speed manul"
mircea_popescu: her "fuck i spent an hour trying to figure out how this happened"
BingoBoingo: moiety: I like absinthe, but on ice. None of that sugar cube stuff. Don't want to become another Diabeetus 'Murican.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im seriously considering a dolce-de-leche only diet for conference
moiety: lol benkay! what have i done to you all in here?! manuls ingrained :D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As long as the beef accompanies it.
moiety: BingoBoingo: never had it on ice. i need the sugar or it's so harsh to me
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moiety: that was originally because of laudenum though, the sugar cube, wasn't it?
buanz0: BingoBoingo: I like my absinth with good iced water, depending on the kind of absinth I might add a bit of sugar. the cube thing is just for show.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You know the restaurants ther would serve it...
moiety: i thought they dripped laudenum onto the cube and dropped it in the absinthe
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BingoBoingo: moiety: Too much sugar in the booze leads to booze sweats in the morning.
buanz0: i've done my fair bit of distilling and brewing to know how i like to drink :P
buanz0: it all comes down to the different recipes out there, check out www.absenta.cl
BingoBoingo: I might just switch to grain alcohol and distilled water. Purity of essence for the win.
moiety: i have a 5 gallon brown demi john and a 1 gallon clear one. i want to start making my own things.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: You know the restaurants ther would serve it... << ya prolly
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you can just drink the medicinal alcohol here. i know, cause i tried it. cue "ok, that is by FAR the most ghetto thing I ever saw you do" from floored assistence
buanz0: ok everyone, off to cook. it's 9.17pm in .ar - my nick will be buanzo, mircea knows how to get in touch with me. cya.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly the most valuable part of my college education was learning which 40 oz bottle of Malt liquor were palatable.
BingoBoingo: King Cobra, probably the best fermented beverage in the US.
mircea_popescu: mthreat but you know, national drink in the sense of how romanians have tzuica and scotts scotch.
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mthreat: mircea_popescu: ah ok. when i google "argentina national drink" it says mate. I think the national drink is peronism
mircea_popescu: i wonder if given a choice to drink marylin or eva who'd people pick
BingoBoingo: The dark hair and ridiculous lipstick on a girl do it for me.
mircea_popescu: this should be informative tho : both of them spent their teenage years whoring.
BingoBoingo: Indeed, and both rose to astounding success in their whore specialties
mircea_popescu: seems the one thing a woman can do to make sure she won't be remarkable, or remembered, is stay in school as a teenager.
BingoBoingo: They can prolly stay in school, they just can't date.
BingoBoingo: They whore successfully on their own of whore for a master. Classes can be taken around that.
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BingoBoingo says this a someone who tried to start a blackboard vs. whiteboard flamewar.
BingoBoingo: Whiteboards just don't work, and having been drinking since about... 1PM mircea_popescu time... I supposed aspects of bingo University.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chalk dust or toluene, pick your embalming technique
benkay: ;;later tell buanzo nice to meetcha
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: to my knowledge common chalk minerals are readily digested by the lungs... Electronics and chalk are another matter.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: and the all bitcoin wallets… is an outright lie. << consider the source. the guy doesn't readily know which hole his piss comes out of .
moiety: mircea_popescu: :D they were based on minis and the other little coupes of the time
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When I had access to chalkboards I used a caco3/caso4 mix, whiter lasted longer.
mircea_popescu: "snort recycled chalk. it's great for your lungs and interesting for speologists, too!"
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I also can't be arsed to make a Fiverr account. << yeah i kinda need fiver type of things but can'r be arsed either.
mircea_popescu: jurov you willing to open your fiverr to the chan ? or who was it that had one, mike ?
BingoBoingo: Still, I think the matriculation test is a valuable idea.
BingoBoingo: By the time a person takes it they are too late to reconsider another institution so after a year of shoveling shit they either get their act together or die.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Into the freshman class or the subfreshman class.
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nubbins`: right on! so this local arts newspaper wants to do a spread on pink eye for their july issue
mircea_popescu: the "value" of the sabotage is high. to expect an agent to do a high value thing just so YOU can capture its benefits...
mircea_popescu: obviously if they do that, they have a bullet for you, too.
mircea_popescu: rarely will someone kill the queen to die to the bishop as it were
BingoBoingo: Happens, but you need at least two bishops for checkmate.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If you wipe out the other pieces two bishops and a king can mate a king. actually works better with less clutter on the boardd.
mircea_popescu: it could secretly hum ave maria very quietly for all anyone knew
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by open i mean, a situation that doesn't have a fixed border at the 8th column, ora fixed nuymber of pieces and no generators etcv
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In that case you aren't playing chess, but instead a more interesting game.
mircea_popescu whistles... nowhere but here baby, for if you make it here
BingoBoingo: afaik asciilifeform HN and the aggregators banned you for a reasons...
BingoBoingo: Seekrits... FPGAs as user interactive platforms.
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BingoBoingo: All of a sudden any user makes their own wildly incompatible bedrocks.
mthreat: dumb mining question: is electricity the biggest cost these days? If so, has anyone set up an operation in a locale with cheap (possibly subsidized) electricity?
BingoBoingo: mthreat: The biggest mining cost has always been the opportunity cost.
mthreat: BingoBoingo: that's why I haven't pursued mining
mthreat: mircea_popescu: argentina has subsidized electricity, i believe
mthreat: mircea_popescu: partially subsidized, i mean
mthreat: ok. I figured folks were already all over that.
mircea_popescu: the one thing that may make a datacenter feasible is having someone trustworthy to oversee it
mircea_popescu: that's an unbeatable service, pretty much everyone is shady as fuck
BingoBoingo: Cex.io is going to cause much more butthurt than Gox ever could and it was promoted by the same tards.
mircea_popescu: well, it was promoted also by a set of tards that promote everything
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I'm talking on the low end. Last summer.
BingoBoingo: At its birth Cex has derps by the ISIS truckload.
kakobrekla: i dunno. the asset they trade only goes down.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so clearly it's bvetter than all other investments. stop trolling :D
BingoBoingo: Where the consistent loses are merely club dues.
mircea_popescu: the death of critical thinking in school curricula has inter alia resulted in this mass of idiots who will think they're important and meaningful no matter what.
mircea_popescu: which in turn creates a class of guys selling them participation.
mircea_popescu: someone should make the club of "responsible people that keep the sun rising"
mircea_popescu: and you know, collect 20 bux a week in exchange for equipment these idiots "use" to make the sun keep rising
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BingoBoingo: Well, people still need to buy participation in the form of Trilema credits to keep up with the cool kids. The bottom of the class will never understand the distinct difference in value returned.
mircea_popescu: if all it took weresome tcredits to make someone smart...
BingoBoingo: It doesn't work. I tried throwing around trilema cookies when TF's coinchat was a thing.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, people kept buying cex inspite of the PMB article.
BingoBoingo: This goes into the distinction between mike_c and TheNewDeal trying to buy into my no bet against the same hard boundaries and only one of them speaking a language I could agree to.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Wanted to purchase exactly what the bet could underwrite. TheNewDeal wanted something better. Even if mike_c's payment would have been lower it was infinitely more attractive because the bet could underwrite itself.
BingoBoingo: The Coinchat tard were largely forum tards for whom the forum could not burn their money fast enough. And without and option to remotely fry their retinas I had no stick with which to educate them.
BingoBoingo: They could not understand Cex.io was a PMB with greater risk to themselves.
BingoBoingo: Also so many people fell for other idiots pitches where they were making asics in their garage. It was a nightmare.
moiety: This hasn't changed. You can explain until you are blue in the face. People do not want to listen/learn.
BingoBoingo: On the plus side though people would do anything for a bitcent.
mircea_popescu: you can tlel people anything you want, they're still gonna imagine drugs are cool mkay
mircea_popescu: it's all a case of "hey dawg, we heard you like endorphins so we put more endorphins in your endorphins so you can space out while you';re spacing out"
moiety: i have given up trying
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BingoBoingo: Honestly I doubt anything could end civilization faster than booze without the hangover, but then... You see those opiates collapsing US civilization.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually romanian booze doesn't give you a hangover
BingoBoingo: That would eplain your dissatisfactions with Timisoara's direction
BingoBoingo: If getting fucked up has no consequences no one appreciates the danger of it.
BingoBoingo: And no one does anything because they can painlessly numb away their failure.
mircea_popescu: While Demand Media went public for a blistering $2 billion in 2011, its articles were largely useless, with titles ranging from "How to Boil Water" to "How to Turn on a Mac Computer." Google, in an effort to serve up quality content to its users, dropped Demand's articles down in the search results. The company's traffic plummeted and its shareholders were left researching "How to Write Off a Worthless Stock."
BingoBoingo: I think at my lowest points I made a couple tanks of gas off of them. Stopped because their editorial policies made anything useful impossible.
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kakobrekla: chill the fuck down assbot, you are not.
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peterl: so I was reading the trilema about the D series
peterl: essentially it is naked shorting derps?
moiety: lmao @ "if he spirmed in you"
peterl: and how does that squash them?
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peterl: I figured. is there a simple way to understand it?
BingoBoingo: Complicated in the same way that earned Amphoteracin the nickname Amphoterrible.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell BingoBoingo you should do some pharacology posts
peterl: And if they never list their company publicly, you just get to keep the money?
peterl: What happens if they sell out to a big company instead of listing?
mircea_popescu: peterl perhaps. suppose some guy comes to your town and starts seelling bottled water as "magical healing elixir"
mircea_popescu: now suppose 7/11 down thestreet from him sees this and puts up an ad : "same thing. 75c"
peterl: so people buy from 7-11
mircea_popescu: kinda makes it difficult for the shills pretending to be buying from the guy.
mircea_popescu: because now they are actually going against sanity, much like the "havelock users" that somehow "bought" the re-ipo, briefly at 200% averages
peterl: but doesn't derp have infinite hitpoints?
mircea_popescu: problem with these deals is that they're not for derps.
mircea_popescu: that's the whole selling point of a series a : "buy before the masses"
mircea_popescu: if anyone can have it, for cheaper, you can't sell more.
peterl: ah, so this is a way to make money off the endless stream of derps?
mircea_popescu: if you can't sell more, and even if you have good reason to suspect you won't be able to sell more, you have no furhter reasopn to even try
mircea_popescu: no. this is a way to expose the usg agents trying to push bitcoin a certain way.
peterl: do you expect people to actually buy shares from you, or will it just be a way to expose the sham they are running?
mircea_popescu: i expect anyone who actually thinks one of the things is worth money to buy from me first, yes.
peterl: but buying from you does not get capital to the people who would make it work
mircea_popescu: anyway, it exposes the hostile agents to a hard case of the "either stupid or evil" dilemma.
decimation: presumably the 'founders' who believed in their company would buy shares too
BingoBoingo: decimation: If they need capital why would they buy shares?
mircea_popescu: no but there's no difference between avoiding a debt and making a gain. inasmuch as the offer is there, it's indifferent who you buy from. if you buy from me you prevent someone else from doing so, who will in turn have to buy from the "Founders"
mircea_popescu: economy is still a zero sum game, and you don't actually have political directionality.
kakobrekla: i guess we shall see about the practice part.
peterl: BingoBoingo: if they had capital, why would they be selling shares?
decimation: I think bingo means why would they buy D series from mircea
BingoBoingo: peterl: You didn't quite hit the contrapositive of my position.
peterl: I don't think I meant to?
Mats_cd03: decimation: elysium's production value was incredible. props from peter jackson's failed halo movie made it into elysium, like the flying machine
BingoBoingo: peterl: Because your construction is silly. How much capital has Armandi raised for no purpose.
peterl: So you are saying they would raise capital and then use it to buy D shares?
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BingoBoingo: peterl: No, you are trying to add context absent from my proposition.
mircea_popescu: so apparently bitcoind has a serious problem with moving timezones
decimation: mats: heh yeah you are right. I think he was trying to convey several points: 1.) half measures don't work - shoot down the third world shuttles when they invade 2.) democracy turns to decadence - too weak to hold the allodial rights to a domain
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I kind of though that was part of the MP attitude towards building certain ideas. If you lack the captital to not roast your leg and can't ask for money, you eat yourself.
mircea_popescu: "Then he got to her essay. As he remembers it, she mentioned a French teacher she greatly admired. She described their one-on-one conversation at the end of a school day. And then, this detail: During their talk, when an urge to go to the bathroom could no longer be denied, she decided not to interrupt the teacher or exit the room. She simply urinated on herself."
Mats_cd03: yeah and for fucks sake audit your code so the peasants dont ruin elysium
decimation: lol re: college admissions - it's also well known that putting something like "future farmer of america" or "boy scout" or "rotc" (high school junior military "club") greatly reduces the probability of admission
decimation: mats: yeah that's the other point - if the "logic" of your computerized government system is reprogrammable, you've fucked up
BingoBoingo: decimation: My Eagle scoutness did not adversly affect my admissionness to undergrad.
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, incentive for such was insufficient.
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decimation: well, basically going to ivy league is religious indoctrination
decimation: so it's not suprising that they only select the non-heretics
BingoBoingo: decimation: I went to a Methodist college, but... Methodism isn't a real religion anyways.
decimation: Methodism has backslid into general liberal derpiness
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, it just realized its only potential value is a a social club
decimation: if you discount Christianity's assertations about the nature, I would agree with you
decimation: "the nature" being the natural and the supernatural
BingoBoingo: decimation: You have to realize what I say about methodism is purely as an outside observer.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: engineering toolchain - I wonder if Intel's toolchain suppliers have ever experimented with "enhancements"
decimation: the motive, means, and opportunity are there
BingoBoingo: I remember when AMD fucked their compilers by cribbing Intel
decimation: some of intel's performance libraries will refuse to work on AMD hardware, unsurprisingly
BingoBoingo: Right, even though ideally the same instruction sets are implemented.
decimation: re: elyisum (from steve sailor's review): "Elysium originated in a disastrous visit to Mexico in 2005. While shooting a Nike commercial in lovely San Diego, the Boer crossed the border one evening to see Tijuana, where he was abducted by corrupt Mexican cops who shook him down for $900 in return for not killing him."
decimation: the genius thing is that he got the critics to rave that he was writing a movie about Obamacare
decimation: "Art, from the Great Pyramid on down, is actually about the most talented and/or self-confident bullying the rest of us into furnishing them with the resources to realize their visions, while the nice liberal dweebs pass on to us the artists? self-serving justifications."
moiety: i've made a start to the wiki bot commands list with assbot, i'll finish gribble tomorrow. mod6 and i working on atcbot soon. totally wiped out, night all :]
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benkay: <peterl> essentially it is naked shorting derps? // <mircea_popescu> peterl yea // how does this square with your recent pronouncements against naked shorting?
benkay: Mats_cd03: you could always do spv on ios
TheNewDeal: praise the hashgods, the bitcoin network is strong once again
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BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: You have to realize there is plenty of time for... externalities
TheNewDeal: there was, the window is increasingly tightening
TheNewDeal: literally about 13 days for something drastic to happen
BingoBoingo: And what was this weekend? We could have a full blown pool war.
Mats_cd03: benkay: im going to push some bit-c eventually, just a matter of time
BingoBoingo: For a while ~50% of the hashrate was out of the game.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: It wasn't a long thing, seemed like a strong warning.
Mats_cd03: ecdsa+gpg signing, gpg-agent, coin selection is what im working on
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Looked like a warning shot. I imagine actual violence comes later.
Mats_cd03: 95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad
BingoBoingo: Also there's the part where this bet has me sweating.
Mats_cd03: benkay: i forget exactly what it was you wanted. tx ids and a json api?
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mircea_popescu: <peterl> essentially it is naked shorting derps? // <mircea_popescu> peterl yea // how does this square with your recent pronouncements against naked shorting? << division by 0 is a problem, 0 divided by 0 is not.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03:95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad <<< ahaha heard this before
mircea_popescu: Michele Hernandez, another prominent admissions counselor, runs one or more sessions of an Application Boot Camp every summer in which roughly 25 to 30 kids will be tucked away for four days in a hotel to work with a team of about eight editors on what she told me were as many as 10 drafts of each of three to five different essays. The camp costs $14,000 per student. That doesn’t include travel to it, the hotel bill
mircea_popescu: , breakfast or dinners, but it does include lunch and a range of guidance, both before and during the four days, on how students should fill out college applications and best showcase themselves.
mircea_popescu: Hernandez, Jager-Hyman and others in the booming admissions-counseling business
mircea_popescu: “Admissions officers pay as much attention to students’ choice of essay topic as they do to the details in their essays,” Motto told me.
mircea_popescu: i'd be fucken surprised if anyone ever read one of those things
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> Mats_cd03:95% of my time has been consumed by reading ncurses docs. drives me mad <<< ahaha heard this before << at least ncurses has docs... unlike gnome
Apocalyptic: <Megalomania> when we go into space, real estate prices on earth will crash
Apocalyptic: <Megalomania> poor people will live better
Apocalyptic: what shit can people come to these days...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gnome prolly doesn't actually exist at all
BingoBoingo: I'm starting to think that to an extent people can find use for Desktop environments over windowmangers, Xfce may be where it is at.
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BingoBoingo: SLAC ends tend to be the same but the means are subtler than Ivys as always
mircea_popescu: a uni program that doesn't shed 50% is dubious on its face
mircea_popescu: you just can't get such a good measure of kids coupla years post puberty
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> a uni program that doesn't shed 50% is dubious on its face << pretty much
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but it's max grade from the forum's investor grading thing. A+++
mircea_popescu: yes but economy has the same age old problem : it's real. once i know that ivy league predicts non-competence im not hiring them anymore.
mircea_popescu: signals be signals, all i need is to know what they mean.
mircea_popescu: exactly how the chinese ended up ruled by manchuku, too.
decimation: mircea: except the job of the ivies is to prepare someone to coddle USG for a living
BingoBoingo: See. I imagine a solution to this problem. Matriculation exam and a subfreshman class aspiring to not shovel shit the next year.
bitstein: ;;rate napedia 8 Close friend from Austin, TX BTC meetup. Wicked smart. Lots of privilege.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine gnome is one of those abandonware projects like gnash people flock to merely for their existence
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The mercy problem. They have 1 year to study before becoming the shit they shovel.
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decimation: re gnome: I wonder why Redhat continues to favor gnome - it seems KDE is far more professional for a "desktop environment"
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decimation: ascii, as long as USG is able to keep the bezzle going - joining the bezzle wot is going to be profitable. Ivies are the traditional entrance to the bezzle wot
decimation: right, the question is merely guessing when the machine explodes, and how to hide
bitstein: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Great blog, presides over great #bitcoin-assets group. Very welcoming.
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decimation: "?I believe that the problems in the Heliophysics Division are dominated by the continuing actions of Dr. Madhulika Guhathakurta,? Chenette wrote. ?By her actions she chooses not to work as a member of the Heliophysics Division team. More than any other person she has been an unusually divisive and polarizing presence in the heliophysics community.?
assbot: Livermore Engineer's Mysterious Death / Investigators in the brutal slaying of Lee Scott Hall -- who found a flaw in a billion-dollar project -- are exasperated by the lab's lack of cooperation - SFGate
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bitstein: ;;rate bitcoinpete 2 Great blog, brought me into the #bitcoin-assets WoT.
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assbot: Lives of the Stars, Courtesy of Whoopi Goldberg, Madhlika Guhathakurta, Ro Kinzler and A Cast of Millions | Women's Voices For Change
decimation: In addition, NASA?s Guhathakurta pointed to a core philosophical theme, about the connections among the building blocks of the universe and their connection to human beings. ?People will have now seen it with their own eyes,? she said. ?And they will see that at a very deep level ? a molecular level, really ? we are all connected to each other.?
decimation: So, basically the guy was fired because he was put in charge of a Party member
decimation: and was confused when he thought his nominal job title meant anything to the way power is actually excercised
BingoBoingo: decimation: KDE isn't a desktop environment anymore though. It is nao a kitchen sink circle jerk. Eventually they'll make a kernel... Just you wait...
decimation: yeah KDE went downhill after around 3, when it was just a desktop environment
BingoBoingo: I like Xfce for no other reason than they basically... stopped...
decimation: well, the current pseudoscience shamanhood appears to be the climate change wing of the party
decimation: as long as your obscure research "proves climate change", you will avoid "problems"
decimation: yeah moldbug talks about the same phenomenon in computer science
assbot: Anatomy of a Fusion press release | Locklin on science
BingoBoingo: OMG, these chicken livers were prolly my best purchase this year.
decimation: the mind reels. the amusing thing is that most of the "red state" enemies of the USG elite all think democracy is the best thing since sliced bread
decimation: well, "popular science etc" are pretty much there today
decimation: lol the scott locklin article. basically the NIF is a shrine to big engineering project meets pseudoscience
decimation: well, all of this stems from a lack of accountability and discipline. why not propose a $2bn shrine to ignorance? people in my district need jobs you know
decimation: yeah and the elites know it, even if only in the hindbrain
decimation: perhaps the fate of the US is to have a "russian 90's" and then see a putin-like figure arise. I kinda doubt it though, because of the intense allergy us folk have to anyone telling them what to do
assbot: Declassified effects of nuclear weapons and other threats: minimizing weapons effects on civilians
decimation: it's a bit wordy, but the bottom line is that civil defense against nuclear weapons is extremely effective
decimation: if you get most of your population into extremely cheap bunkers quickly, very few will die
decimation: this is an inconvienent fact if you want to hype the bomb into a mega-weapon in order to manipulate the masses into supporting your "peace programs"
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Mats_cd03: uh and the trillions in infrastructure damage?
decimation: right, but the point is that a realistic nuclear attack isn't going to be much more damaging than conventional bombs if defenses are prepared
nubbins`: [01:04:30] <+bitstein> ;;rate napedia 8 Close friend from Austin, TX BTC meetup. Wicked smart. Lots of privilege.
decimation: "If you want peace, be ready for war. If you want to encourage aggressors, disarm."
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell decimation Is our last name Teller by any chance?
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assbot: Top US patent judge resigns following ethical breach | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell decimation something in the long run you'l have to grapple with here is the apparent aversion people have to eating strange.
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mircea_popescu: the us paid ~500mn to boost online reputation of white house official.
BingoBoingo: Malaki paid ~1200 soldiers to keep his boys in Baghdad from deserting.
assbot: Photos of Mass Executions of Iraqi Soldiers by ISIS | Best Gore
BingoBoingo: It's why I'm leaning towards predicting partition.
BingoBoingo: Sure, they probably take the south. The Kurds keep the productive north. Isis keeps the bullshit parts.
mircea_popescu: the notion of any sort of kurdish state would require commitment to the level of 100k boots on the ground for a few years, and then ongoing support a la israel.
BingoBoingo: At the moment though Iraqi Kurds have money, they actually like the hardware the US left them, and Turkey prolly wants to trim its welfare rolls...
mircea_popescu: i'll give you even odds on kurdish holocaust vs kurdish independence any time.
BingoBoingo: Well, UN sort of Statehood is, but they can prolly keep this feudal de fact autonomy going a few decades. Also UN sort of statehood is on its way out.
BingoBoingo: So how do we spec "i'll give you even odds on kurdish holocaust vs kurdish independence any time" for BitBet?
mircea_popescu: and since we're discussing the war in iraq, let's debunk some common myths. the us has spent close to 2 trillion on it so far, which balloons to 7 trillion if you count interest payments, as the us is flat broke (the affair will be paid for by 2055ish).
mircea_popescu: this includes ~ 100k ak guns missing, about half a trillion in disappeared funds, including billions paid to known outright washington graft
BingoBoingo: I though at least a full trillion disappeared into the hole and graft...
mircea_popescu: NOT worth it. in fact, if the usg simply invested its 7trn budget into bitcointalk "investments" the us would be ahead today
BingoBoingo: Bush I really should have just blessed Bin Laded keeping occupied with Saddam.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, and of the ~50bn spent on reconstruction (1% of total, or 10x the benefits) pretty much nothing of any use was built.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that'd have required people with something other than cotton between their ears living and breathing in washington
BingoBoingo: It's still satisfying to say 9/11 was HW's fault
BingoBoingo: He could have Kept Bin Laden busy through the 90's like Reagan did through the 1980's
mircea_popescu: look at that man. he went in there all plump and looking 35. a decade later he looks 60
BingoBoingo: I though that was just 6 years of knowing he sucks aged him.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what can do that to a man, outside of smoking rocks
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You have to realize everything he does is the near opposite of what you enjoy and consider healthy
BingoBoingo: Also... who are his daughters dating... That has to age him too.
mircea_popescu: looks like erzsebet bathory's ballet troupe. "send your girl over, we'll suck her blood and leave an empty husk within five years".
BingoBoingo: It happened to W. less so to Clinton because Interns.
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BingoBoingo: Hard to say if it aged Reagan or if he had a lucid moment after year 2. Cater was afraid of rabbits.
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BingoBoingo: I'd almost venture to say based on Opportunity costs that the F-35 might have been as injurous to the US as Iraq
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fluffypony: BingoBoingo: it displays really weirdly here
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fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Fiverr takes Bitcoin now, well worth making an account - there's so much stupid shit I've used Fiverr for it's well worth it
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davout: fluffypony: meh, we're basically back at the time where you could nuke ppl
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Mats_cd03: '3DES among the best in the world'
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moiety: how are you jurov? i've not seen you for a wee bit (moving sucks btw)
moiety: artifexd: omg! thanks for linking me! thats my first manul gif... lol it's brilliant, can't stop chuckling :D
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jurov: moiety i'm well, afk more often now
jurov: and still learning to manage people and other company/accounting intricacies
jurov: and becoming more lazy than ever lol :D
Apocalyptic: jurov, how many people do you manage out of curiosity ?
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jurov: it depends how you define it, maybe 2-3
jurov: they are not employers but freelancers/partners, what makes things worse
jurov: such as, i asked a designer to improve colours of coinroll logo. he made three variants
jurov: but upon presenting them, namworld sid he can do better and old logo was actually okay
assbot: [POLL] Coinroll Color Scheme
jurov: and wao said, but wait, i ask my friend too
jurov: i was like arghhhhhhh
chetty: it is good tho to practice/learn management on little things
jurov: i should not have allowed such a bikeshed discussion at all
Apocalyptic: chetty, yeah, may come in handy when managing bigger projects
chetty: exactly :) important lesson
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
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jurov: ThickAsThieves: context? what kind of buseness was that aimed to?
mircea_popescu: but then what's that scrape when blackberry wouldn't give its keys to some foreign, i don't recall, russia was it ?
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mircea_popescu: jurov: but upon presenting them, namworld sid he can do better and old logo was actually okay << hey, my vote won!
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if document is genuine, this is likely a 'marketing scheme' for the usg blacklist crap. << if it is it'll backfire, ppl get to learn first hand just how harmless btc actually is by telling these folk to stfu / ignoring them
mircea_popescu: "During years of engineering time, we have built a network of partners, resources and contacts in Asia, Europe and the USA." yet the best they could do was still havelock.
pankkake: Our first larger scale immersion cooled cluster consisted of 6048 Xilinx®Spartan-6 FPGAs in 24 tanks and was built in early 2012 with the Bitcoin still below $5.
mircea_popescu: "we of course can not offer any documentation to this claim, nor have we learned to gpg yet, because this is all very common of big ticker 2012 miners"
pankkake: also, why would they need to raise funds
mircea_popescu: "we also knew what chips bfl had sanded off in 2013 way back in 2011, which allowed us to beat them to the punch by two years but keep quiet about it"
mircea_popescu: "also bitcoin was under 5 in spite of us secretly doing 140% of network hash on our 6k bfl miners self-delivered early by about 17 months"
mircea_popescu: pankkake how many coins would that be? << the early (only) bfl delivered miners were commercial fpgas, so you know... a lot.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall them actually delivering 5k of the things, they had a limited supply prolly bought off some suprluss deal.
mircea_popescu: "The company will publish financial statements and certified audits frequently to make calculation of operating expenses transparent."
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los_pantalones: this video says "99% electicity saved - Extremely efficient cooling"
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mike_c: ^ wtf? people think marshalls are going to dump the price?
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chetty: Obama announces 275 US troops WILL be sent to Iraq to protect American embassy in Baghdad days after saying they would not return = suicide mission
los_pantalones: mike_c i've noticed a lot of people arguing that everyone who buys in the auction is going to sell into the market
jurov: mike_c i don't understand the sentiment, either... rather suspect someone hopes to win the auction and is tryng to dump the price
mike_c: that would be, retarded!
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mircea_popescu: jurov kinda nonsensical. if he dumps the price he gets competition.
jurov: yes.. i got no explanation then.
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> mike_c more or lesss stable it seems << yeah, that surprises me. i would think it would be sliding towards no instead of staying stable.
los_pantalones: i thought the market should have rallied on the auction news, it wasn't necessarily clear how they would sell the coins
mircea_popescu: how about you know, derps paying voluntary stupid tax (again)
pankkake: can the exchanges even handle 20000 coins? that sounds risky for a quick profit
jurov: but still.. maybe it's the same derp who bought s.dice day after divs were paid
los_pantalones: and i think the process is not bad, chunky sizes to better financed entities
mircea_popescu: pankkake you don't have to use the exchanges. you can just undercut los_pantalones here :D
pankkake: ;;ticker --market bitcoincentral --vol
mircea_popescu: it's not a sale anyway. if anything, it's good news for you.
pankkake: ;;ticker --market bitstamp --vol
mircea_popescu: pankkake whoa shit, they're getting close to the 100 btc cutoff ?!
mircea_popescu: i was about to say davout got 51 problems and a horse ain't one.
mike_c: jurov: for the record, my retarded comment was about buying the coins to sell, not your theory :) but i agree with mp that I don't think the bitstamp price will have much to do with the auction price.
mike_c: or, if i'm putting words in his mouth, then that's what i think at least.
los_pantalones: you have to submit a price on friday, find out if you win monday night
los_pantalones: pankkake unclear, not much disclosed about what happens when you win
mike_c: mine? it was great. left the kid at grandma's and went out with the wife.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, my pyjamas have little octopuses on them, my table is an inch of glass, i prop my knee under it while sitting. 3rd fucking thims this morning i had a peripheral vision panic of "WHOA WTF ARE THOSE"
davout: pankkake: "it's daily volume" <<< nothing that a couple 0-fee accounts can't fix anyway
jurov: mircea_popescu wears pyjamas? O.o
jurov: better go without (unless you fear snakes)
mircea_popescu: well it doesn't have a vest, but anyway. got pockets and everything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7937 @ 0.0000985 = 0.7818 BTC [-] {2}
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jurov: she prolly forgot the text "insert bitcoins here"
jurov: but dunno if she got crypto capable cunt
jurov: asciilifeform: what about S.NSA developing btc wallet that can be implanted into dick/cunt with NFC capability?
jurov: ofc, in the butt, too (butt one will be then configured by user to ask more)
davout: jurov: are you fucking crazy?
davout: who would use nfc for a bitcoin wallet??
pankkake: the real issue with his plan is the block size limit
chetty: hmm never actually considered getting a tattoo ....before
jurov: okay, not nfc. it makes more sense using actual electrodes, so physical contact is needed (and environment must be wet)
davout: i can't wait for the triple-entry accounting illustration
pankkake: somehow I feel the last links are NSFW
mircea_popescu: french employment. where good pr0n is only a lick away
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pankkake: my last employer was NSFW friendly though
davout: every decent employer is nsfw-friendly
davout: nsfw can also help improve security policies at the office
pankkake: i.e. I was expected to send porn to my "boss"
davout: well, if each time you leave your desk without locking your session you find full-screen gay porn playing upon returning there you start paying attention to locking your session
jurov: davout, that depends :D
davout: lol, i guess it needs to be tailored to the target
pankkake: I am much more paranoid, gay porn is far from something I'd fear
pankkake: I always lock it + 5 min idle lock
davout: asciilifeform: it's much funnier to change the background to a full screen shot, and then hide the icons
jurov: if i scale down the craziness, maybe tongue implant would actually work.. to pay or gpg sign something, one has to lick the electrodes
davout: jurov: that would work amazingly well if coupled to a buttwallet
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chetty: so in Pennsylvania if you don{t log into a bank account for 6 months the state takes it
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mircea_popescu: <jurov> if i scale down the craziness, maybe tongue implant would actually work.. to pay or gpg sign something, one has to lick the electrodes << im not fucking licking anything
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chetty: <mircea_popescu> <jurov> if i scale down the craziness, maybe tongue implant would actually work.. to pay or gpg sign something, one has to lick the electrodes << im not fucking licking anything<< well your slaves can do it
kakobrekla: i thought pirate was out of jail at first
mircea_popescu: on the short term, 2015-2016, it'll be AMAZING what sort of interest people will be able to earn if they don't actually want their bitcoin capital back
mircea_popescu: increasingly more respectable firms will be offering btc denominated savings accounts with a fiat clause as the cheapest most accessible way to get in the game
mircea_popescu: (stuff like "deposit your bitcoin with for 50% per annum!!1" small print "repayable in either bitcoin or fiat at our option")
mircea_popescu: all the "everyone made ROI hand over fist with a 60% btc loss" crowd will be well served.
jurov: ftfy: "repayable at our option"
mircea_popescu: it's cheaper to pay a few % and pretend like you've paid than to not pay at all.
mircea_popescu: the only reason this isn't the rule now is the relative small size of the deals, which makes cluelessness seaworthy
jurov: afaik it was the case with fiat before central banking
mircea_popescu: but even on a market of garr and nasty fucktards, it's slowly emerging
mircea_popescu: early bank paper (banknotes) stoood to gold in a very similar relation. "deposit your gold, we'll pay 5976597985%. in gold. or maybe paper"
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pankkake: paying dividends seems the way to keep investors happy
pankkake: "they pay dividends" is the usual retort to any criticism
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's been through the years the most popular scam. "deposit lump sum, we'll pay you a few %s of it a few times. annuity ftw!"
mircea_popescu: but re the paper conundrum, take this ancient quote : trilema.com/digging-through-archives-yields-gold
assbot: Feds put up signs telling cats to stay away (Psst! Cat's can't read.) | The Libertarian Republic
mircea_popescu: Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business.
mircea_popescu: Then knowledgeable people complain that the evil financial network is heading for disaster, that the government sponsored enterprises are about to cause a “collapse of the total financial system”, as Wallison and Alan Greenspan complained in 2005, the government debates shrinking the evil government sponsored enterprises, as with “S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005″ but they
mircea_popescu: seductive, and S. 190 goes down in flames before a horde of political activists chanting that easy money is sound, and opposing it is racist, nazi, ignorant, and generally hateful, the recent S. 190 debate on limiting portfolios (bond issue supporting dud mortgages) by government sponsored enterprises being a perfect reprise of the debates on limiting the issue of new assignats in the 1790s.
mircea_popescu: The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigger,
mircea_popescu: ore disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks ar
mircea_popescu: guy knew EXACTLY what was going to be going on, back in... 2009.
mircea_popescu: this is also why stomping out us influence in bitcoin is quite so critical for its survival at this juncture.
mircea_popescu: they seem to not wish to submit, so they will have to be killed, pretty much.
assbot: In Search of the Ideal Bitcoin Jurisdiction
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.94523860 BTC to 9`095 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
los_pantalones: i always thought UAE would be the best jurisdiction for btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00082518 = 5.1161 BTC [+]
jurov: los_pantalones what's better word for poor schmucks like me that need to get the fiat out somehow?
jurov: slovankia/eu. but the VAT needs not be such a big problem as the paint it
jurov: it isn't so much yet it would require offshore solution
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00081947 = 12.5379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00081861 = 10.1098 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: I dont see tax so much the issue as the bank squeeze
davout: did anyone buy the emblematic iranian shoes?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete you know, your litecoin article'd benefit from a lot more reductio ad absurdum and other directly-obvious proofs to displace most of the appeals to authority.
mircea_popescu: if you say "<<At around US$30/LTC, it’s more affordable to outright purchase too. >> This author, like many a CoinDesker, is of the mistaken belief that buying a whole shitty thing just because you can afford it is better than buying a part of something far superior. Today, you can buy a million satoshis for $6 or you can buy most of the Dogecoin for sale on the market. Incredibly, some people will actually go for the la
mircea_popescu: if you say "By this logic, it is better to buy half of a pair of boots than a whole car" you are.
mircea_popescu: Right off the bat, we see that Litecoin is pitched at the “average user.” This, of course, is a huge red flag that Litecoin is doomed to failure. Anything aimed at the lowest common denominator must necessarily be shit. <<< like what, like air ?
mircea_popescu: take pussy for instance. pussy is constructed with the average user in mind. it's not shit, that's a different hole.
mircea_popescu: too strong statements put you in the unenviable position that a ready counterexample can be constructed that speaks to what you say, and then your entire argument looks weak, where it needn't.
davout: also they were featured i some tv bitcoin documentary, what decided me to get some was how the iranian shoe maker made fun of the western journalists shoes
davout: handmade shoes for 150 bucks, plus i get to transact with iran
davout: i desire them, that's what's special
mircea_popescu: aite then. dealing with iran isn't such a bad thing anyway
mircea_popescu: i recall back in 2012 when i was beating the bushes for sane iranian peoples lol
jurov: terrorist shoes!!1
assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.29 B (67%) on Yes, 0.14 B (33%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 7 hours | weight: 78`609 (100`000 to 1)
edlund10: this bet should be already resolved as yes :)
edlund10: i left it, but wasn't sure if it's enough
Dimsler: i can't wait until the first kidnapping for btc occurs
mircea_popescu: i can't wait until people start reading the logs before they think they're being all newsworthy and shit
jurov: Dimsler,last i heard BingoBoingo arranges one with FARC
adrrr: bitbet odds are so ugly
kakobrekla: adrrr the design approval committee was colorblind
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I thought it was the same design committee that did the UI design for apex?
adrrr: kakobrekla: I didn't talk about the design, but the number
kakobrekla: fluffypony there is some intersection for sure.
kakobrekla: adrrr you want the number bigger or smaller?
jurov: .odds: {font-family: comic-sans;}
adrrr: no not css or anything. By the way nice website ! I just think the odds are to bad to play. It's just what I think :D
kakobrekla: is bigger one bigger than smaller one or no
assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.29 B (67%) on Yes, 0.14 B (33%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 6 hours | weight: 78`570 (100`000 to 1)
jurov: so what is the problem?
benkay: <kakobrekla> adrrr the design approval committee was colorblind // ah i always knew it mircea_popescu is a DAC
jurov: kakobrekla usually uses 100-second minutes
benkay: or .1...but it doesn't matter, you know?
adrrr: anyway this is a good website
benkay: make sure your odds are ======== reality before betting
pankkake: adrrr: yes. I use it more for fun than profit. or at least that's what I tell myself :D
benkay: and your fees are ======= 0
benkay: yeah hey i mean they're really small numbers
adrrr: sport bet website in bitcoins have bigger number than sport bet normal website. I think this is a good thing for bitcoin cause a lot of gamblers will realize that
benkay: bigger numbers are definitely best numbers
pankkake: no, not bigger. just more numbers
assbot: BitBet Affiliate Ad - Btc Alpha
adrrr: lol I don't understand you, can we say better odds?
kakobrekla: would a smaller or bigger font be better ?
adrrr: that's not a problem of font
kakobrekla: but it would make the number smaller or bigger. :(
jurov: adrrr please say cmplete informatin or example - where do you get better odds?
jurov: if you don't qualify you easily become butt of jokes
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.25 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August"
http://bitbet.us/bet/944/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.13602464 BTC. Current weight: 93,558.
adrrr: For example on this bet : 0.29 B (67%) on Yes, 0.14 B (33%) on No
adrrr: When I see that I just don't wanna bet
davout: adrrr: that's because it's pari mutuel
adrrr: I'm gonna try to find an example with goods odds
davout: the way people bet is the way odds are defined
adrrr: oh so I'm a noob lol I didn't saw that
adrrr: It's a good idea !
adrrr: everything is fine kakobrekla
adrrr: I'll tell you what to do next ;)
adrrr: and responsive design !
pankkake: responsive is actually a good thing
pankkake: I like to have a narrow browser window and some websites really suck at it
benkay: i do all of my ui with the htmldollar
adrrr: the picture is a joke
adrrr: no it was just to explain to benkay that this is a joke
Mats_cd03: whoevers behind Unicode 7.0 is challenged
Mats_cd03: new emoji, read like " cloud with tornado. snow capped mountain. white sun behind cloud."
assbot: Vulcan Salute, Middle Finger Among 250 New Emojis | News & Opinion | PCMag.com
jurov: "the lineup still doesn't include any African-American characters"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00082518 = 18.8141 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: get yourself in the wont if you want to talk
adrrr: i was just not logged in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35752 @ 0.0008247 = 29.4847 BTC [-] {2}
empyex: FabianB: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00082071 high: 0.0008265 low: 0.00081569 volume: 1300456 btc: 1067.29102587 7 day: average: 0.00082605 high: 0.00086895 low: 0.00081496 volume: 6563631 btc: 5421.87815351 30 day: average: 0.00087011 high: 0.00094991 low: 0.00079351 volume: 26687590 btc: 23221.15595391
empyex: FabianB: S.BBET 1 day: average: 0.0005 high: 0.0005 low: 0.0005 volume: 1719 btc: 0.8595 7 day: average: 0.0005 high: 0.0005 low: 0.0005 volume: 1719 btc: 0.8595 30 day: average: 0.00048526 high: 0.000525 low: 0.00047 volume: 8347 btc: 4.050485
empyex: jurov: F.MPIF 1 day: no data 7 day: no data 30 day: average: 0.00021705 high: 0.00021726 low: 0.00021536 volume: 95749 btc: 20.78211468
jurov: okay, if 30day volume will be NaN then it propagates into NAV calculation and all hell will break loose
jurov: *30day price, i mean
FabianB: curious about the next bbet statement
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53950 @ 0.00081952 = 44.2131 BTC [-] {2}
FabianB: all worldcup bets should be resolved this period
mike_c: vwap30 if vwap30 else last_sale
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0699 = 0.699 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.02 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.BBET S.MPOE X.EUR
adrrr: mpex.co need a good redesign ^^
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
assbot: GLI.TC/H 2112: DEC 6-9:CHICAGO ++
mike_c: ouch. black version needs to grey the background of the input box. much contrast.
kakobrekla: something like dat should be made for mpex
assbot: GLI.TC/H 2112: DEC 6-9:CHICAGO ++
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
jurov: body { background: pink; font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; }
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
empyex: pankkake: 145 milliseconds
FabianB: jurov: mpex.coinbr.com down?
jurov: lol spot instances for $10/hr? someone gonna cry
assbot: ThinkGeek :: Firefly Inevitable Betrayal Dinosaurs with Sound
gribble: Error: 'dinos' is not a valid price input.
jurov: no,for the proxy... that's why it is down
FabianB: jurov: should i remove it from the list of proxies for now?
jurov: no, i'll relauch it elsewhere in a moment
assbot: Turkish media ban: Media in Turkey stopped from covering ISIS abductions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00082518 = 13.9455 BTC [+]
empyex: thestringpuller: Commands: '$avg' '$conference' '$depth' '$depth <mpsic>' '$email' '$help' '$moo' '$mpexlag' '$post <pastebin-url-with-signcrypted-mpex-command>' '$proxies' '$traded' '$unconfirmed' '$vwap' '$vwap <mpsic>'
empyex: thestringpuller: It's starting to sound like Wal-Mart in here.
mod6: did that one just replace pympex?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00082554 = 21.464 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: mod6 no, just supplements it
FabianB: thestringpuller: the mpsic is S.MPOE
empyex: FabianB: [S.MPOE] Bids: 12750 @ 0.00082518 23135 @ 0.00082292 12291 @ 0.00082269 27100 @ 0.00081885
empyex: FabianB: [S.MPOE] Asks: 3185 @ 0.00082558 14052 @ 0.00082650 40100 @ 0.00082715 31438 @ 0.00082725
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00082356 = 34.9189 BTC [-] {3}
FabianB: hmm.. thinking if i should let empyex tell thestringpuller to get the mpsics right instead of letting it default to raw depth
pankkake: it should kick you everytime you make an error
FabianB: i guess that would be more assbot's style
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29977 @ 0.0008245 = 24.716 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 596.3, Best ask: 597.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 595.85, 24 hour volume: 4787.75305818, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 602.0, 24 hour vwap: 592.934258693
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14052 @ 0.0008265 = 11.614 BTC [+]
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thanks for the tips! i made a few amendments at those points.
assbot: Gym Bags Full of Cash Is a Great Metaphor for Celebrity Tech Investing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.20000004 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4078 @ 0.00082654 = 3.3706 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.000827 = 4.8793 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2493 @ 0.00082654 = 2.0606 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: how many asseters does it take to up gabriel_laddel
assbot: Why Are These Bears Having Oral Sex?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.0008254 = 24.8033 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Time since last block: 13 minutes and 47 seconds
mircea_popescu: jurov: it should do bait << it should do mp approved bait.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.201 = 0.603 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so i took fluffypony's advice and hired a coupla dozen fiverr kids. since pretty much the only thing they seem to be able to do that's useful is put up/distribute flyers on their campus, im having a coupla dozen do that
BingoBoingo: Ah, just wondering if I might stumble into any this week
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 235 Last Price: 150 24h-Vol: 3k High: 180 Low: 150 VWAP: 153
Naphex: "Andreas Antonopolous delivers a stunning presentation of crypto currency to a virtual room full of knowledge seeking students."
Naphex: who writes these titles o.o
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 605.98, Best ask: 607.49, Bid-ask spread: 1.51000, Last trade: 607.49, 24 hour volume: 6175.46701712, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 608.88, 24 hour vwap: 595.703307988
Naphex: i got back a while ago, but mostly just sitting and idling
Naphex: trying to lax a bit before getting multicurrency live
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i vaguely remember chicago something or the other.
BingoBoingo: I'm not headed that far north soon, but I'll keep a look out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00082545 = 3.3843 BTC [+]
mike_c: mircea_popescu: flyers promoting what?
mike_c: ooh, now I'm the curious one.
mike_c: it's for your band isn't it?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't count post script, because you're dealing with random college kids.
mike_c: hm, that is interesting. seems like it will be difficult to measure the effect.
mircea_popescu: mike_c buy some kids a beer. what effect do you expect ?
mike_c: well, effects would be: 1) do they do the work (maybe they have to send you a pic?) 2) does anyone read it
mike_c: i spend too much time trying to figure out which 50% of advertising works.
mircea_popescu: mike_c in general i find us kids can be more or less trusted to go through the motions / respect the formal parts of the spec
TheNewDeal: Bitcoins foremost educational resource
mircea_popescu: they don't usually do anything useful, but it's never for lack of pretending like they tried.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i had something similar in romanian a few years ago
mircea_popescu: they'd have like beer parties dedicated to discussing just how fucking just not done such deeds are.
TheNewDeal: like Nikola Tesla nuts or Timothy McVeigh nuts?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 603.31, Best ask: 606.71, Bid-ask spread: 3.40000, Last trade: 604.58, 24 hour volume: 6255.76911036, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 608.88, 24 hour vwap: 595.9930859
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.86463072 BTC; -0.23519938 BTC (-0.1375%) since last check 1d 2h 59m 48s ago.
Mats_cd03: i can't tell if you're trying to bait college feminists into marketing trilema
TheNewDeal: what if he is accomplishing both at the same time