pascal257: "Advertising in forums is never the best idea as the trolls are waiting you."
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pankkake: in the french forum « yes mr. hollande [our President. no idea why he called me that]. next defamation attack and i'll sue you »
pankkake: perhaps the costanza avatar? :o
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pascal257: I'm wondering if he actually has the trademark for that
pankkake: oh didn't that website get a lot of press?
pankkake: I know one bitcoin card site did, and never ended up doing anything
pascal2571: it seems that dood owns a bunch of them
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00246 = 0.738 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 119 @ 0.0036846 = 0.4385 BTC [+]
jurov`: i'm going to piss him off big time soon (by way of bitcoinbourse.eu, another lame project of him)
jurov`: as i am share^W bagholder of it, we had very funny email exchange
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3999 = 0.7998 BTC [+]
pankkake: pascal257: it used to require minimum capital, but now SARL can start at 1€
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3999 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.0355 = 1.775 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.409 = 0.818 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0036814 = 0.1841 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.409 = 0.818 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.409 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: they ran out of the cotton paper versions
BingoBoingo: That's definitely going to cut down on it's expected lifespan kakobrekla
pankkake: it's nice to have books at home
kakobrekla: i tend to lend books to others after im done with them
kakobrekla: so i accepted the fact that im giving them away
pankkake: so they're kind of like bitcoins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00079063 = 18.9356 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: its not like you are going to read it again
pankkake: well I haven't read most of them
kakobrekla: and if you dont remember something from the book
kakobrekla: apparently it wasnt interesting enough to be worth remembering
pankkake: books make you smarter, because people see you have a lot of books and think you must be smart
jurov`: pfft... was it at least bound in human leather?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4145 = 0.829 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: well i guess you know what the problem is when you have a market for dead bodies
jurov`: same problem as with replacement organs?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41977 = 0.8395 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: sorta, but that takes way more sophistication
jurov`: plus, human leather can be donated without killing anyone... morbidly obese people get excess skin removed routinely
kakobrekla: i dont care, mind or anything. just saying
dub: cadavers and lazy chinese
dub: and excess 'murican as jurov` notes
jurov`: "made from america's excess"
s3gfault: BitBET are fucking theives. 10BTC stolen.
kakobrekla: s3gfault they should pay you for PR since you are doing such a good job
s3gfault: they're a joke. people should stay away from them
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dub: I tried to make a bet with someone but they were too stupid to use bitcoin and sent funds after the bet closed :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00369 = 0.2768 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41977 = 0.8395 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: s3gfault have you considered getting a 'NEVER FORGET BITBET' tatto, that should raise awareness and give them hell
s3gfault: dub: bitbet should automatically return funds sent after the bet closed. its trivial to implement. its not complicated at all. they are theives
kakobrekla: i think thats the best option at this point
s3gfault: i've spent a lot of time spamming reddit and the forums telling people about bitbet scammers so i've already done damage to their brand, which they deserve for being theives
kakobrekla: if you do it on the your forehead, you will get the most out of it
s3gfault: pankkake is just a bitbet shill.
s3gfault: kakobrekla is just a bitbet shill
pankkake: s3gfault: I don't talk to people with macbooks, they obviously don't know how to manage their finances properly
dub: he makes a good point
pankkake: well, bitbet is scamming me too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [+]
s3gfault: pankkake: who has a macbook? you?
kakobrekla: ( s3gfault )/( ~macbook@bas2-toronto09-1176443948.dsl.bell.ca )
s3gfault: pankkake: i dont talk to people who are stupid enough to think that their ident describes what hardware they're using.... gullible fools
dub: moosecocks and macbooks
kakobrekla: oh wait is this your real name, Mr. Macbook?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.42 BTC [+]
pankkake: well you're running Mac OS at least
dub: his username on his AIX IRC workstation is marcbook
s3gfault: pankkake: nope. spoofing packet headers
s3gfault: pankkake is just a bitbet shill
dub: we don't take kindly to spoof around here
pankkake: I confirmed by ctcp version, you have nothing to spoof
kakobrekla: now you dont have to repeat that any more
s3gfault: kakobrekla: thanks, at least you're honest
pankkake: though it's easy to force irssi to return something else
s3gfault: you two are in here 24/7 shilling for bitbet
dub: guys chill, don't get the hacker angry
jurov`: s3gfault: don't forget me, i'm not a shill but a s.bbet dealer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.43834142 = 3.0684 BTC [+] {3}
s3gfault: ICBIT is putting MPEX to shame. only idiots would ever use MPEX
Apocalyptic: pankkake, what's the link to the golden topic again please
s3gfault: pankkake keeps track of people who type in here , because he's here that often
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43979999 = 0.8796 BTC [+]
pankkake: s3gfault: both. AM1, AM100. pretty explicit
s3gfault: pankkake you're on ignore because you're a bitbet shill.
s3gfault: so, AM is still off its 4BTC/share high?
s3gfault: kakobrekla: sucessfull troll is successful
pankkake: won't do you much good as you come here just a few minutes every few days or so
s3gfault: OMFG here's the theif himself!!!!
kakobrekla: shills are running low on funds MP, pay up
s3gfault: obvoiusly bitbet doesn't realize that bad PR means bad business
pankkake: is the web submit of bash working? I think I submitted stuff that never appeared
pankkake: or perhaps it was found unfunny :(
s3gfault: i have 1000 shells with different IP's. im am l33t hax0r. this is actually a bot htat will come in here daily saying that bitbet is a scam
pankkake: don't think snackman would mention icbit
kakobrekla: pankkake unfortunatley it must go through my fuckedup funny filter, maybe i should find a helping hand
s3gfault: u guys are such n00bs. 'omfg his IP says hes in toronto, he must actaully be there' 0000000fmz0gm lol
dub: its a shell with spoofed packets man
s3gfault: yeah you guys are soooooooo dumb
dub: the sad thing here is this guy is not actuall 8 years old
s3gfault: who would want to live in that icebox anyway?
kakobrekla: wait are we typing random characters now?
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> hows the entropy on that // pretty bad
s3gfault: i'm a l33t hax0r. i can use SCREEN and SSH. I watched a youtube video that showed me how. I also am a master at metasploit. be careful.
s3gfault: i bet you guys dont' even know what backtrack is. its only for l33t hax0rs.
dub: huwawei shit doesnt have traceroute
dub: leetest of all hacking tools
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
s3gfault: i will post this daily from one of my l33t ssh sh3lls
s3gfault: kakobrekla: just put it in the topic, and i wont have to bother
mircea_popescu: "o, you have no phd. please say this matters so i can continue believing i've not wasted my time and money"
mircea_popescu: pankkake earlier linked material, some laughable company sueing people because it thinks it invented rsa
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My favorite part was the incomplete and incromprehensible paper where someone hypothesized the possibility of Public key infrastructure being the same as Diffe inventing PKI and releasing it to the public, where... it could be recorded and documented as prior art...
mircea_popescu: in a few years everyone will be all "we do not recognise the authority of any us court" and i'll be all like "you dorks, mpex beat you by a few years again"
mjr_: i don't really recognize any courts authority
mjr_: i mean...i was talking to my friend, and he said that he didn't get a gun because it was illegal
mjr_: i said...if it was >51% likely that someone was going to break into your home, would you get a gun? he said yeah
mjr_: so...i don't think anyone recognizes their authority, they just do cost benefit calculation as to whether they will get caught and how much it would cost
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah it's wp. i think it's idiotic but meh, never sat down to bash it into sense
mjr_: nice song mircea_popescu
dub: are there stats on what outcome having a gun has when you get robbed?
mjr_: i personally don't want or need a gun
dub: I'd guess it makes you more likely to get dead instead of just robbed
mjr_: im just saying...if you wanted a gun, you simply tally up your "desire" for the gun vs the "cost" of the gun
mjr_: and courts simply put EV costs on your decision
cazalla: fuck, i'd hate to have purchased mcxnow shares only for them to shut down now ha
dub: whats the incentive to get a gun though
mircea_popescu: the brokedness of the us legal system is a matter of principle not of cost.
mjr_: they have zero moral authority
dub: wtf is moral authority
mjr_: it is simply the threat of punishment and repression that causes people to obey
mircea_popescu: dub same incentive as getting a waffle maker. if you make a lot of waffles
mjr_: ok...let's say that the US joins world war 2...to stop hitler or whatever
mjr_: most people say, I can see why you did that...nice job
mjr_: lets say we drone civilians in pakistan, most people do not say good job anymore
dub: most germans probably don't say that, nor japs
mircea_popescu: kleeck: Is DPR the monster they say he is? << more like the retard.
dub: I'd guess >5! of humans possibly not down with that either
mjr_: lol, yeah...germany is not our biggest fan, and japanese don't wear american clothes and listen to american music
mjr_: i mean, obviously merkle was a little annoyed we spy on her
mircea_popescu: since when is this entire headcount important anyway ?
mircea_popescu: the rich people no longer like the us. end of fucking story.
cazalla: so mcxNOW IPO'd to get funds to grow the service but are now shutting down due to that growth
mircea_popescu: what some goat herder in bumfuck thinks on the matter is about as relevant as what his goats think.
mircea_popescu: cazalla you seriously need to stop throwing btc at forum crap.
cazalla: i'm not invested in mcxnow
dub: I only go to websites that existed yesterday
cazalla: i just enjoy reading about all these schemes
kakobrekla: but it said 1 million users supported!!!!!11
cazalla: but i think this one takes the cake
dub: dailycaller.com sounds legit
dub: TRENDING KATHLEEN SEBELIUS | OBAMACARE | CLIMATE CHANGE | KITTENS | BOSTON RED SOX
dub: why no chemtrails in that list
dub: dunno but alex jones don't like non of that
mircea_popescu: i hope this will be at least as good as the tom cruise oprah tyhing
dub: alex jones shares most of your opinions mp
dub: surprised you don't have him on speed dial
dub: BingoBoingo: very nice
dub: BingoBoingo: not sure about the shading under your navbar though, a bit flashy imo
BingoBoingo: dub: Well, I figure one bit of change in the background to separate the header from everything else is at least utilitarian
dub: some nasty UTF-8 action in there too, the devils work
BingoBoingo: Eh, if animated GIFs can make a comeback so can unstyled HTML
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's only natural for people to surpass me in time.
mircea_popescu: for any value of others equal to icons of outrageous rightness
nubbins`: did you know that there's no such crime as "non-state torture" on the books in canada?
nubbins`: unless it's some government, the highest it goes is aggravated assault
nubbins`: came up during this Dustin Paxton case
ozbot: Torturer Dustin Paxton smirks as his brain-injured former roommate gives victim impact statement |
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mircea_popescu: "He has 44 convictions, mostly property offences but including six assaults, in 20 years."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1244 @ 0.00212 = 2.6373 BTC [-]
dub: only the state is alowed to torture, my rights
dub: im going to have to dig a libertarian hole in the ground and live in it
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: seems a good candidate for rehabilitation, no?
dub: so you don't want to pay taxes but you need someone to lock up bad people and keep them away from you
nubbins`: people don't want to pay taxes?!
mircea_popescu: stop interfering with the strawmans you're messing up the sarcasm flux and this complicates making the world a better place.
mircea_popescu: now we can't have any progress or heavy cream because of you
nubbins`: although i've never tried progress in coffee
dub: www.examiner.com/article/black-man-arrested-62-times-for-trespassing-at-his-own-job
pankkake: anyway, when you go black you don't go back
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know s.mg is actually just about at par ?
mircea_popescu: s3gfault: i've spent a lot of time spamming reddit and the forums telling people about bitbet scammers so i've already done damage to their brand, which they deserve for being theives << i can't believe someone actualyl believes this.
pankkake: so basically the mcxnow story is 1) issue very few shares 2) pump it to death 3) issue "ipo" that does not finish but raise millions 4) "oh well, site is too successeful so this is too much work, site closing"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.03699902 = 0.407 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00369482 = 0.9237 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: s3gfault: you two are in here 24/7 shilling for bitbet s3gfault: you two are in here 24/7 shilling for bitbet
mircea_popescu: literally five minutes after he had just done a lot of damage on reddit.
pankkake: oh also for mcxnow: trading stopped except for shares
nubbins`: oh, apparently that torture victim was a witness in a hell's angels trial some years ago
pankkake: well if you vote you don't really understand math, anyway. not surprising given the person
mircea_popescu: it'd be pretty funny if icbit, cryptowhateveritwas, mcxnow, blabla all the 10 or so of the things get together and trade each other's shares.
mircea_popescu: in about three weeks the explosion of drama would put the bitfinex boom to shame.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 229 @ 0.00195879 = 0.4486 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: it's the scamsite that launched a mega-giga-ultra huge mining fund
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 127 @ 0.00193984 = 0.2464 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: who then ran away wioth the money, costing them about 1-2mn dollars at that time
mircea_popescu: which they somehow magically just shrugged off, cause no big deal,
mircea_popescu: and made an even larger imaginary purchase off some other producer
pankkake: BingoBoingo: somehow I misted your trust feedbacks. added to my trust settings!
mircea_popescu: buzzdave (the basic frontman) was being pissed all over by mpoe-pr in like... july ?
ozbot: DefaultTrust is BAD. Very bad.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: DefaultTrust is just a user account on BitcoinTalk. Leave them some negative feedback.
mircea_popescu: if it weren't for default trust they'd have no trust at all, as vast majority of "community members" couldn't figure it out
pankkake: by the way, I still have a +1 for TradeFortress because of PR :D
dub: wat is defaulttrust?
pankkake: by default you trust some users on bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: dub theymos coded the forum wot so that everyone starts by trusting him
pankkake: more like a pyramid than a web
dub: exaclty why are fucks given
mircea_popescu: this was part of the forum upgrades for which all those donated 4k btc went
frb: lol, i was just reading this thread about the bitbet "scam". it's incredible how many ignorant people own bitcoin and lose them constantly
dub: it starts out incredible, as time passes it just is
mircea_popescu: yeah. the funny part is where they imagine that because they bought some bitcoin they can now opine on how bitcoin runs.
dub: the first rule of bitcoin is that idiots will have them
mircea_popescu: roughly the equivalent of some dork redecorating a call girl's den because if he's going to spend an hour there he needs feng shui
frb: that thread is one of the most amusing on bitcointalk to date
pankkake: it's actually amazing to see people managed to have 200 btc but then gave them to crappy scams
frb: pankkake: i know. like coinlenders. it's just proof really that a fool and his money are soon parted
frb: just with bitcoin it tends to be a lot of money in a short period
pankkake: well, labcoin, pretty much everything on cryptostocks, etc
mircea_popescu: at least they snuck an ignore mpoe=pr in there because in between t when they stioll had it and t+2 weeks when they no longer had it she had the unmitigated audacity to link them to like, the 2012 personal responsibility thread
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.43948998 = 2.6369 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: heh, yahoo internal mail describes MS Outlook as an 'anachronism of the now defunct 90s PC era, a pre-web program written at a time when NT Server terrorized the data center landscape with the confidence of a T-Rex born to yuppie dinosaur parents who fully bought into the illusion of their son's utter uniqueness because the big-mouthed, tiny-armed monster infant could mimic the gestures of The
mircea_popescu: unless it was written by the world famous punk accountants
dub: they should try notes
nubbins`: shush about notes, i had to use it for 3 years at my last job
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people who see the trilema comic sans realise that this means that 1. they had no better fonts and 2. they had comic sans.
mircea_popescu: the definition is font-family: 'Comic Sans MS' even, so it doesn't even work if you're using some linux font named "Comic Sans"
pankkake: well it's package corefonts in my distro. I think many packages require it
mircea_popescu: yeah, that being that you use a distro made by lame fontppl
mike_c: wait, its not because we don't have better fonts. comic sans ms is first. so you are weeding us out up front.
☟︎ nubbins`: pankkake: grains are bad for you?
pankkake: actually I can probably block it with INSTALL_MASK
nubbins`: i just rename papyrus to comic sans ms
pankkake: nubbins`: according to paleo and other diets yes
mircea_popescu: probably tyhe most widely ingested carcinogen on planet earth.
nubbins`: paleo diet, that sounds trendy
pankkake: milk definitively is a bad idea to give to everyone
nubbins`: lots of people can't digest dairy
pankkake: well some cheeses are easier, but cow milk is probably the hardest
nubbins`: my wife can't eat cow cheese anymore, but goat cheese is fine
nubbins`: there's also this odd lactose-free cow cheese that's fine
pankkake: I have a hard time with the taste of goat anything
pankkake: also, one day I saw a goat eat shit directly out of another goat's anus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.0369833 = 0.2219 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: dogs, on the other hand, will eat anything
nubbins`: whenever my friend brings his dog over, she makes a beeline for the litter box and devours any turds or piss-soaked rocks that are present
nubbins`: how the fuck does behaviour like that evolve?
mod6: srsly. wtf is with that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.03699999 = 0.222 BTC [+]
nubbins`: maybe, i don't think this is an unusual case tho
mircea_popescu: cats will eat placenta, which makes them about as weird as french women
nubbins`: there was a woman in my city who offered a service where she'd prepare your placenta for consumption
mod6: *ahem* pass the gravy.
nubbins`: she just cooked it in her oven at home
nubbins`: ground it and put it into capsules
nubbins`: i can only assume animals eat it because it's nutrient-rich, not sure about humans
nubbins`: vitamin hey i just queefed out a kid, let's eat the messy leftovers
mod6: you get the forks and knives, i'll get the blowtorch
nubbins`: "i can't decide between the placenta flambé and the cum brulée"
mod6: "hey mircea, grab the custard!"
cazalla: apparently it helps with postnatal depression
ozbot: BitBet - Peercoin to rise above 0.002 Bitcoin each before Nov 30th
cazalla: that is to say that women that take placenta capsules are less likely to suffer from postnatal depression
mircea_popescu: check out all the doods playing dangerously with their 0.02 btc
pankkake: oh, I was wondering if they really did that
pankkake: I didn't check the date, usually I do because I hate those
pankkake: they really deserve a higher fee :D
ozbot: BitBet - Arnold Rothstein will die by season's end on Boardwalk Empire
pankkake: well there was that old one I linked
cazalla: guess it'll be next season
pankkake: lose 0.0001, spend a few hours talking about it.
nubbins`: redefine the word "scam" while you're at it
nubbins`: i ordered a pizza and it didn't have enough mushrooms, scam
mircea_popescu: Yeah, Bitbet is a scam. Run a search on TRILEMMA and you can see them banter. They sound like a bunch of assholes with just enough education to think they are better, but not enough to be successful.
pankkake: > not enough education to be successful
ozbot: List of college dropout billionaires - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
pankkake: The average net worth of billionaires who dropped out of college, $9.4 billion, is approximately triple that of billionaires with Ph.D.s, $3.2 billion.
mircea_popescu: not only i'm overeducated and pretty close to that billion, but it seems it even correlates inversely.
mircea_popescu: way to go john q public, you got more things wrong than there even were on the test!
ozbot: The Official MCXNOW - REALSOLID SCAM Thread - Please add to this if u scammed.
mircea_popescu: wait a minute. the mcxnow was related to the realsolid guy ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, he started it because no one wanted to list his abandoncoin.
mike_c: $32 for an audiobook? really?
mike_c: tpb doesn't seem to have a lot of audiobooks.
pankkake: if it's not too private, I can search for it in some other place
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00374 = 0.1683 BTC [+]
mike_c: ah, found it. thanks though.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 474 @ 0.00180676 = 0.8564 BTC [-] {13}
drmandude: I just won a bet, but ended up with less than I bet...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 977 @ 0.00173459 = 1.6947 BTC [-] {8}
drmandude: just seems kinda like a buzz kill to lose money on winning a bet
BingoBoingo: drmandude: That weight is a dangerous thing... BitBet has that calculator on the page for a reason...
drmandude: Still. You'd think you'd get out at least what you put in
mircea_popescu: well, bitbet takes 1%. if you don't get at least 1% from the winnings pool, you walk out short.
drmandude: this was just the first to come in
mircea_popescu: lol hi there. you were mentioned in despatches earlier.
drmandude: rothstein isn't killed by anyone in BW empire so I was like...f no is he dying
pankkake: yeah, we actually predicted you!
drmandude: Sorry I'm a noob to this. Not trying to make trouble :-)
pankkake: well the issue was both weight and really few Yes
mircea_popescu: drmandude the idea here is, that if a bet runs for say a month, and you put 1 btc when it opens, some dude betting like 3 weeks later can't get as much as you do of the winnings
mircea_popescu: the result of this is that if you bet very late you may end up with like a <1% loss
drmandude: i misinterpreted the calculations on my end
drmandude: i got nervous because bitbet has some some bad press
mircea_popescu: the girl makes btctalk reports which i occasionalyl read.
drmandude: they were talking on bitcointalk and reddit
pankkake: you probably don't want to bet on anything that doesn't get you at least a few percents, not worth the risk of losing vs. winning
drmandude: im realizing that. I was getting the hang of it.
BingoBoingo: drmandude: This problem is why I prefer shooting from the hip and betting as close to open as possible and then defending my stake as other people bet.
drmandude: consequenrtly, this conversation just happened
mircea_popescu: drmandude you can easily verify it pays because well... go to an opld bet, click on the payout links
pankkake: I'm happy with my last month despite mostly losing :D
ozbot: BitBet - Novak Djokovic to win at Wimbledon 2013
drmandude: yeah mircea_popescu the issue was some idiots without confirmation or payout addresses that expire and call foul at bitbet
pankkake: BingoBoingo: "defending my stake"?
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Yeah, curating the odds, hedging on the other side if someone dumps a large bet that skews things.
ozbot: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
drmandude: so you guys predicted me, the guy that lost money on a win, to come complain?
pankkake: I mean, I am offended, I am a tech person.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: drmandude: I want to send you 0.0006969 BTC
mircea_popescu: pankkake i imagine she got a buncha people's small cow with springs by that comment.
pankkake: wow so that thread was about claiming that BFL delivered
mircea_popescu: actually. that thread was about claiming that bitbet is a scam because bfl delivered and bitbet resolved the bet WRONGLY!!!
mircea_popescu: but that's ok, because while bitbet is still here, the "community" of one is gone,
ozbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i suppose mpoe-pr should give the 10 bitcoin guy the buttcoin picture and make it all even.
pankkake: "best investment in my life: putting stuff in my ass"
mircea_popescu: pankkake ironically, all teh peeps ranting about how bitbet is a smalltime this that and the other,
pankkake: if I had bitcoins to spare I'd probably spend my days doing similar stuff
pankkake: people will do anything for a few coins
ozbot: [QRK] QuarkCoin giveaway - 26k to donate
mircea_popescu: something awful got incredibly bothered that their "bitcoin buys nothing irl" winner argument got sunk by "here's tits, here's ass lol"
mike_c: mircea_popescu: do options auto-exercise? just wondering if i need to bring my keys with me on my trip.
mike_c: ugh, did you leave? jurov, do you know?
kakobrekla: iirc its automagic but have someone confirm if its srs monies
pankkake: shit, if I want to send that 0.0006969, Armory wants to put in a fee of 0.005. madness
mike_c: thanks kako, i'll try to get it confirmed. It's srs enough.
Tulak_: The new age is upon us
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.20399995 BTC [+]
Tulak_: i keep writing you naughty messages on btctalk
Tulak_: but you never replied. now im butthurt (literally)
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 856.68603, Best ask: 864.9999, Bid-ask spread: 8.31387, Last trade: 856.68103, 24 hour volume: 27613.39658851, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 869.89, 24 hour vwap: 824.15328
gribble: Current Blocks: 271568 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 51 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 699441585.558 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.75988
pankkake: if it's less than 20% again I'd be less frustrated about my lost bet
pankkake: and the bet was "always 20 or over"
pankkake: I started my 2 erupters again actually
Tulak_: pankkake, you want to hear the most retard move ever done
pankkake: besides never buying bitcoins for 3 years? :)
ozbot: I was bored so I animated the "Bitcoin Accepted Here" image. - Imgur
mike_c: heh, sweet. boingo, put that on your blog.
kakobrekla: oh wow that gif, price should be 2000 now.
Tulak_: did a bitbet which had No and Yes at around 0.9 ;)
KRS1: -fuck * -fuck = +fuck
KRS1: the % of fucks who give a fuck is fuck%
Tulak_: pankkake, neither do I
pankkake: google translated spams are hilarious. "the machine of thunder bitcoin mine"
assbot: Last trade for LABCOIN on BTCTC was at 0.0001799 BTC [+]
pankkake: but then it was on cryptostocks
pankkake: well endless excuses and delays and now nothing, guy disappeared
BingoBoingo: Thanks mike_c, Tulak_ labcoin is just a continuation of the ancient BitDayTrade scam
kakobrekla: yeah that alberto is such toolbox extraordinaire
pankkake: morality: do not trust Italians or Australians
Tulak_: dont trust me halfway through
Tulak_: you can trust me with your money tho, but you can't bet on me returning it
Tulak_: any decent movies running in cinema
Tulak_: gonna take my girl out. got coupons for popcorn and movies
Tulak_: need a decent movie now
kakobrekla: pankkake the italians who hate italians are just fine
pankkake: hmm. that works for frenchies too
pankkake: Tulak_: I'm afraid I never go to the movies
Tulak_: this is tom cruise doing a sad face :((
Tulak_: because he is extra disappointed in you
Tulak_: because tom cruise is awesome and is in scientology
pankkake: some people tell me I look like him. though it depends on the hair
Tulak_: kakobrekla, jawohl mein herr
pankkake: probably because the ressemblance started when he was a has-been already
Tulak_: you need someome beat up?
kakobrekla: doesnt matter if its too far but thanks.
Tulak_: BUT I DO APOLOGIZAREIERWJFAODJG
kakobrekla: do you aplogize for apologizing unnecessarily?
Tulak_: don't send me down that road
Tulak_: im already talking with walls
Tulak_: don't push me too far :(
kakobrekla: well i wont casuse nurnberg is too far
Tulak_: we need to discuss my place in the sith council
pankkake: went away right before you got here
pankkake: check the log, it was fun today
Tulak_: i'd better shut up then
kakobrekla: Tulak_ he is some guy who ran play exhcange and was bad at it, he ended up getting a loan from tah comunitah to which he owes now 1mio or something
Tulak_: you mean kickstarter for bitcoins
pankkake: well kickstarter has many scams
Tulak_: btw, lulling at the logs
pankkake: and you don't get any profts with kickstarters
BingoBoingo: Tulak_: I might be able to give you a connection. Do you want to buy a blurry JPEG of some trees?
Tulak_: pankkake, you are getting mentioned in a game nobody will ever buy.
Tulak_: BingoBoingo, thanks but I'd rather remain a comatose shadow
Tulak_: yea, i only read kickstarters for games
Tulak_: BingoBoingo, if you ever see me loan or buy btc consider me compromised
pankkake: BingoBoingo: what do you mean?
gribble: Nick 'Tulak_', with hostmask 'Tulak_!~Tulak@ip-109-44-100-0.web.vodafone.de', is not identified.
pankkake: well, I'm thinking of making a loan this next year. but in fiat :D
gribble: Nick 'mike_c', with hostmask 'mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598', is identified as user mike_c, with GPG key id 4FBC58464F910E21, key fingerprint 9086CA4627840552468FE3D44FBC58464F910E21, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: pankkake: People who insist on being unconnected shadows while taking deposits tend to go TradeFortress either through malice or incompetence.
pankkake: BingoBoingo: oh. well, the thing is, being anonymous has many advantages, even for a non-scammer
mike_c: pankkake, we've all seen a million pictures of you
pankkake: I mean, I'd certainly disclose my identity to key people
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Accidental Prolapse
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Yeah. I don't think anons could ever run deposit services worth trusting though.
mike_c: you posted a picture of your feet just the other day
Tulak_: No one should trust anons running a service
Tulak_: cause once the bank fills up, they be gone in no time
pankkake: I believe I am. I can be an asshole when talking to people but I don't steal or anything
pankkake: probably read too many books about how natural law is the greatest thing ever
BingoBoingo: Eh, at a minimum people should at least have GPG keys and all the other requirements for personhood filled.
pankkake: sometime I feel people only don't steal because it's "illegal"
pankkake: I have GPG keys but with not enough bits
truffles: pankkake u might be right about the illegal
pankkake: well, stealing is every glorified sometimes… I don't think those people are really evil
truffles: we're all capable of evil so..
truffles: so u dont just draw the line at stealing?
truffles: guess ill have to look into this natural law
truffles: wonder if its modeled off the 10 commandments hmmm
BingoBoingo: Eh, evil isn't so bad. You just have to pick the right kinds of evil. Theft is bad evil. Selling fake Paleo beef jerky that is half wheat hulls and half lactose is awesome kickass evil.
Tulak_: BingoBoingo, bookmarked
truffles: how would one know of product contents to determine this kickass evil
pankkake: BingoBoingo: giving cancer is evil
pankkake: that's like that crazy bugchaser thing
truffles: failed to think one would do that on purpose, but figured it was corners cutting..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.00219897 = 0.4156 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Theft and robbery are the coolest of all crimes.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nah, they have nothing on Disorderly Conduct
pankkake: thestringpuller: you must be working for bitbet
pankkake: well that's the thing, so many movies where stealing is cool
truffles: the detail he puts in to his tasks pretty cool imo
pankkake: when I watch the typical spy movie I feel for the people who get cars stolen or destroyed
truffles: there are ppl who steal highway signs n random road things just cuz
pankkake: at least they could steal the speed meters
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: rape
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0038 = 0.1254 BTC [+]
truffles: unless person is sadist, i think both will be in psy damage
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: truffles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0018 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.426 BTC [-]
Venat: Tulak was registered alread
Venat: and i was forced to use tulak_
pankkake: if the nick wasn't used for a long time, you can ask freenode to release it
truffles: cant imagine any1 else wanting to be called truffles :D
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: work
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Backpack Rapper
ozbot: CANOE - Lifewise LatestNews: White truffles worth more than gold at Italian auction
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: work
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.31250000 / 0.3546657 / 0.43979999 (324 shares, 114.91168541 BTC), 7D: 0.23500000 / 0.4107217 / 0.58289999 (2647 shares, 1087.18033687 BTC), 30D: 0.23500000 / 0.53880394 / 0.96000000 (7144 shares, 3849.21536890 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM100] 1D: 0.00305501 / 0.00338746 / 0.00380000 (4942 shares, 16.74082523 BTC), 7D: 0.00270000 / 0.00378038 / 0.00586900 (54458 shares, 205.87206506 BTC), 30D: 0.00270000 / 0.00523676 / 0.00880000 (184570 shares, 966.54898325 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00077981 / 0.00078666 / 0.00079063 (70250 shares, 55.26 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00080427 / 0.00085604 (1486671 shares, 1,195.69 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082342 / 0.00088996 (5167769 shares, 4,255.27 BTC)
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00079063 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00180601 = 0.2149 BTC [+]
truffles: they dont look pretty do they, yet so pricey
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00180355 = 0.3048 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: MPOE seems to hold its value over time given it's over a year old
truffles: "At first, I was really freaked out. But a lot of things are said on the Internet, so I stopped being so bothered."
ozbot: ZACK AND TIFA MEET IN ENGLISH - YouTube
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: tifa
truffles: have not played another since 8
pankkake: google images has many cosplays
thestringpuller: they aren't really sluts though, more like attention whores
thestringpuller: you flirt with one of them and they immediately become bitchy
thestringpuller: no whispering dirty things in the ears of the cosplayers :(
Venat: big tits is all I need
truffles: still staring at a man wearing a skirt with belly hanging out
Venat: man I wish they remaked FFVII
truffles: its just gonna have classic status, move on with ur life
Venat: or they should remake Majoras Mask
ozbot: Majora's Mask Wii U Trailer - The Legend of Zelda HD 2012 - YouTube
Venat: it was more like a demonstration
Venat: never mind dont watch that
Venat: because there is some fuckhead at the end babbling shit
Venat: ;;google lightning returns
Venat: ;;google lightning returns release date
Venat: ffxiii and ffxiii-2 was on ps3 and xbox90000
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 866.0, Best ask: 866.01037, Bid-ask spread: 0.01037, Last trade: 866.0, 24 hour volume: 28202.48782982, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 870.0, 24 hour vwap: 826.92686
truffles: thought i saw under 800 recently 0.0
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
gribble: A market order to sell 19500 bitcoins right now would net 14570023.6211 USD and would take the last price down to 607.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 747.1807 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0022 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 195000 bitcoins right now would net 37537295.7322 USD and would take the last price down to 4.0200 USD, resulting in an average price of 192.4990 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 19.0587 seconds
truffles: why is google telling me it wont happen venat
Venat: truffles, not happen what
ozbot: Final Fantasy VII NES restoration sees release - Destructoid
Venat: they tried the hardest
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: lube
Venat: grotto of pleasure
Venat: Lube allows the penis to enter the anus without pulling or tearing of the anal tissue. It also allows time for the anus to expand and accept the incoming phallus.
truffles: wont u need like a bucket of spit, lube solves this dilemma
kakobrekla: dunno how you manage to do that, i dont
gribble: KRS1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 minute and 3 seconds ago: <KRS1> lol that ho
Venat: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 52 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> anyway. this is all for me. see you all tomorrow.
Venat: ;;seen TradeFortress
gribble: TradeFortress was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <TradeFortress> I especially love their 64 (?) core servers when the deadlock is probably db locking.
Venat: Nancy lives on 480 acres in the middle of nowhere with horses, a donkey, dogs, cats, and chickens, and stays connected by satellite.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.425 BTC [-]
Venat: spare me the bullshit
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: hood rat
Venat: ;;ud trailer trash
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: trailer trash
Venat: trailertrash equals hoodrat?
KRS1: trailertrash ~ hoodrat
Venat: 27/7 On-site Technical engineer
Venat: the technical engineer uses a timemachine to be there for you for 3 extra hours
Venat: whoever wrote the text on the site is a moron
Venat: does not seem so legit
Venat: I'll be off for now
Venat: I got pressing matters, that need my full attention.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00378 = 0.189 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00199427 = 0.1057 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 999 @ 0.00011198 = 0.1119 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00379429 = 0.2239 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00379329 = 0.3262 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
mircea_popescu: people who bet no early stand a chance to see even 10x their bet.
mircea_popescu: pankkake you'll have to write-up the many advantages being anon has for me sometime.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4249 = 1.2747 BTC [-]
cazalla: world cup should bring some interesting bets next year
cazalla: would a prop bet on the outcome of a player collapsing and dying on the pitch from natural causes be a bad bet?
cazalla: not really inciting violence if it's heart or drug related
mircea_popescu: i suppose if you don't name any person it should be fine
cazalla: resolves yes if any player from any team collapses and dies on or later off pitch during world cup 2014
cazalla: would need to be worded better i guess
mircea_popescu: also, too early to start that sort of wc bet now, because the interval nov 2013 - june 2014 or w/e it starts is just dead air
cazalla: and they would be declared dead after being taken off the pitch and to hospital
mircea_popescu: so you'll end up in june with low weight and people not wanting to bet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 258 @ 0.00179999 = 0.4644 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00199488 = 0.1755 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 276 @ 0.00199494 = 0.5506 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 148 @ 0.00199499 = 0.2953 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 865.10001, Best ask: 868.989, Bid-ask spread: 3.88899, Last trade: 868.989, 24 hour volume: 28551.92748968, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 875.0, 24 hour vwap: 830.89783
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2820 @ 0.00056769 = 1.6009 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 31680 @ 0.00074565 = 23.6222 BTC [+] {3}
jurov`: ^^ lol i did not time this :D
Venat: For I have returned
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.BBET 1 day: average: 0.00073111 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00055 volume: 34500 btc: 25.2233 7 day: average: 0.00067992 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00045 volume: 42645 btc: 28.995025 30 day: average: 0.00067537 high: 0.00075 low: 0.00045 volume: 66542 btc: 44.94034702
Venat: mircea_popescu, good morning lad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 866.0, Best ask: 869.99999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99999, Last trade: 866.0, 24 hour volume: 28661.26816051, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 875.0, 24 hour vwap: 831.17248
ozbot: Can someone explain these charts? :)
mircea_popescu: shaping up to be bitbet's best month to date or some shit.
Venat: facepalm. someone bought bitcoins on kraken.com and wants the candles explained
mircea_popescu: in that sense bitcoin is great, cheapest finance teaching tool available.
Venat: man, newbie prison is awesome
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.41 = 2.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: snatch
truffles: ure on a roll with these terms
Venat: just expanding my horizon
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: snitch
truffles: watching the Wire or something?`
mircea_popescu: you know you can expand your horizon in the privacy of your own broswer.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.391 BTC [-]
bitesak: seems mpex has not been quoting options for a few days now?
ozbot: mcxNOW Shutting Down? WOW | CryptoSource
BigBitz: If those reasons are legit then it makes sense.
BigBitz: he wants to ensure quality/support over the long term. Small shut down to regain himself might help.
kleeck: Really? It's legit to open an exchange, raise money for shares of your exchange, and then close down because, "Oh, I have to support this?"
BigBitz: Hasn't he said he's returning the coins?
BigBitz: or have I grossly misread that?
kleeck: I haven't read anything about mcxFees yet.
BigBitz: Hmm to me he wants an opportunity to overhaul it - naiveity might be strong in me this morning though.........
bitesak: he's returning his worthless mcx coins not the bitcoins he got in exchange for them
kleeck: So anyone who has shares in mxcFEE is boned for up to 3months.
truffles: This is a burden of 200 to 400 emails a day among many requests on IRC and through chat.
truffles: good help is hard to find dude
BigBitz: Nejc from Bitstamp uses only his close friends and all are local - no people from outside Slovenia in his team.
Apocalyptic: can't believe you're saying mcxNOW is legit
kleeck: Yeah. How much did he make @ IPO of mcxFEE?
Apocalyptic: you didn't say it exactly word for word, but it's the impression you male
bitesak: by inferring the reasons put forth can be legit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.425 BTC [+]
kleeck: I'm not familiar with RealSolid's history, but it seems that he has done similar things in the past.
kleeck: Apocalyptic, if only you could get help for under one million...
BigBitz: scan reading an article and saying "if those reasons are legit" isn't exactly a glowing reference as to how it performs as an Exchange :)
BigBitz: I only know one person who has actually used mcxNow - I haven't :)
kleeck: Even his reasoning makes no sense. "This site is custom built on C++ so no one else can help, need to shut down. Well, the real reason is that I get emails...which no one can help with so... Oh yeah, and IRC complaints. No one can help with those either."
kleeck: Sounds like you need a small helpdesk. One to Two level one techs can deal with all that.
BigBitz: to me it read like he wanted to overhaul it and bring other people in... again - not exactly a glowing reference. His previous reigns didn't exactly pan out well...
kleeck: That's kind of my point BigBitz is the issue the site or the support?
mircea_popescu: <bitesak> he's returning his worthless mcx coins not the bitcoins he got in exchange for them << this
BigBitz: kleeck depends I guess... if he wants someone to help him re-write maybe? who knows..... but not returning the actual bitcoins is criminal :D
kleeck: "All existing mcxFEE holders will have the same mcxFEE balance when the site relaunches. I’m allowing people to trade mcxFEE up until December 20th in case they want to exit them."
iwilcox: Back when mcx opened people seemed to be treating it like "I don't need ASICs, got me another kind of money-printing machine!" — I suspect some think they have a foot in a door or something and won't sell
mircea_popescu: those same people that refuse to take good advice and do all their "investment" on just dice
kleeck: Wow. The dude raised 11000 BTC.
kleeck: I'm sure the rise in BTC price has nothing to do with it.
bitesak: I would like to think that is not true...
kleeck: Surely looking at nearly 9million isn't a factor here.
bitesak: I mean the 11K raised. Do you have a btc address with some reasonable expectation it is linked to this outfit?
mircea_popescu: he raised 30 btc and self traded for the rest in the hopes of seeming like he's got interest
mircea_popescu: the burnside method, tho it was really pioneered by goat on glbse.
kleeck: No, no. From his "ipo" of mcxFEE he made 11000 BTC.
kleeck: People gave it to him.
kleeck: in exchange for shares of the site.
Apocalyptic: yeah mircea, i don't believe he faked trading on those
Apocalyptic: people were just insane about how innovative it waq
kleeck: I haven't done the math. But that's what his forum thread is saying.
mircea_popescu: o i see. well if a forum thread says so then that must be it
kleeck: Actually Drawingthesun pretty much called it back a few weeks at IPO close.
kleeck: Haha. First post on the thread: They're not trying to raise money, they're trying to cash out. The site is ready and operational, so it doesn't need to raise additional capital.
kleeck: I mean, he may have padded the share sales, mircea_popescu, but I was chatting with a number of people excited about this site and wanting to invest in it.
mircea_popescu: i have chatted with a number of people pissed off at bitbet.
kleeck: But, yeah, there is no way to verify the numbers behind the scenes.
mircea_popescu: i think you overestimate the importance of what anon dork says in a chatter box by anywhere between 500 and 54677695 degrees of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: yes, there are plenty of ways. just, not accessible to the public.
ThickAsThieves: <kleeck> No, no. From his "ipo" of mcxFEE he made 11000 BTC. <<< that's unlikely
kleeck: This is what we're discussing ThickAsThieves
kleeck: I just conceded that we can't really know outside of what this guy says.
kleeck: I'd say he raised enough to make the venture worthwhile.
mircea_popescu: kleeck there's multiple ways to know. one is to know all the people who acrually could invest 10k.
kleeck: And he at least paid off his "C++ Web Development for Dummies" book.
mircea_popescu: another is to be one of the visible people to whom people come with questions as to credibility of entrepreneurs.
mircea_popescu: a third is to employ a basementful of gnomes to constantly scan the blockchain
mircea_popescu: there's ways. just, nothing at the level of where average redditor's resources are.
truffles: until he bails, ill go with yall jelly
kleeck: At this point if you're not a cynic you're not paying attention.
Apocalyptic: mircea, did actually someone ask you about what do you think of RS ?
mircea_popescu: someone asked me what i think of rs at least each day since the ipo.
mircea_popescu: someone asked me what i think of tradehill 2.o so many times i had to write a fucking article about it
BigBitz: what do you think about BitBet stealing 10BTC, mircea_popescu? :D
ThickAsThieves: my first instinct with mcxnow, before the "IPO" was that it's a scam, then once the IPO came I did like 3min of research to discover the guy was indeed shady
BigBitz: yeah ThickAsThieves as I said ^^ his other reigns were interesting...
kleeck: ThickAsThieves, you were close. I believe you suggested ponzi, but it was actually crash and grab. I'll award you 3/5 Scam Detection Points.
kleeck: SDP, new AltCoin. Dibs.
mircea_popescu: srsly, it's not so hard to figure out the guy, one need but read his genius coin solutions,
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if one day ponzi will just be redefined to mean 'bitcoin scam'
mircea_popescu: Peter Leeds of the Penny Stock newsletter put it to me this way: “In a matter of months you won’t be hearing about it. It will go the same way of Paris Hilton. People will move on to the next thing.”
mircea_popescu: let it be entered into the record that peter leeds of obscure shithole has no future in finance.
mircea_popescu: “Every big idea starts out sounding crazy. But not every crazy-sounding idea ends up being big,” Matthew O’Brien wrote in The Atlantic in a brilliant takedown of bitcon.
mircea_popescu: further entered into the record that matthre o'brien may never be hired in any white collar capacity.
mircea_popescu: "But if, and this is a big if, your peer-to-peer transaction doesn’t work properly, there is no central clearinghouse to complain to."
ThickAsThieves: now imagine that when i first read the article, i thought it was written by AARON sorkin
mircea_popescu: ANDREW ROSS SORKIN may not be employed. plumb or starve.
mircea_popescu: "In truth, the best bitcoin can hope for is to be a second-rate version of gold, if that"
mircea_popescu: no srsly. this is like reading whitehouse sponsored pulp as to why obama is not a fucktard.
mircea_popescu: "all the people saying he's a fucktard are racist and also they didn't check their privilege"
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 881.1, Best ask: 886.1, Bid-ask spread: 5.00000, Last trade: 881.1, 24 hour volume: 29975.65641520, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 887.0, 24 hour vwap: 834.25535
ThickAsThieves: i havent looked, but i bet the article also has some choice supporting comments
mircea_popescu: should i link to the trilema article about linking analog intercoms i wonder.
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
mircea_popescu: this thing's shaping up, 13:11 btc so far. what do ye say ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 271609 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 550 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 693619225.587 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.80458
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 693619225.587 based on data since last change | 703797499.444 based on data for last three days
ThickAsThieves: i dunno, but wtf is bitcoin gonna be worth this Spring?!
gribble: There are currently 12176618 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 37739636.1638 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.4974 seconds
gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 890804.4712 USD and would take the last price up to 897.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 890.8045 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 31.3673 seconds
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
ozbot: 609482679.88835 | Next Diff in 546 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.3034% in 3d 6h 46m 9s
dexX7: maybe snackman is mp and this is just a marketing stunt
turbo_ac100: Hi, I submitted the "CIPHERTRADE will go live on 02-01-2014 " bet. Rejection reason is " Needs better specs". The spec was: People are able to submit new assets.
mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 hard to make. as it stands, your bet would be satisfied by a ciphertrade.tripod.com webpage including a form where you can type text and that then gets published
mircea_popescu: this sorts of bets aren't accepted so as not to transform bitbet into a revenue source for the forum scammers.
mircea_popescu: (otherwise the business model becomes, make 50 forum accounts, herp a lot about some new "exchange", make bitbet bet, profit)
ThickAsThieves: what if you assigned the bet to Kate instead, like "a crypto-currency based securities exchange will open that Kate-Craig purports to be a partner in ownership"
mircea_popescu: you can't have a bet that goes "The Pope will say if this bet wins or loses"
dexX7: aren't those "exchange x announces it's closure within a year" bets similar?
mircea_popescu: see, the idea is for a bet to be about more than just the bet itself
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves on the grounds of what verifiable fact ?
dexX7: deprived is on the boat
ThickAsThieves: well she's run her assets for a long time and not disappeared
mircea_popescu: (tbg the theory where kate/craig = the newest identity of the obsi glbse scammer is one of the better)
ThickAsThieves: <ThickAsThieves> my point is NOT that she's super trustworthy,
ThickAsThieves: also, spekaing for Deprived, he is not officially part of her exchange at this time
dexX7: what criteria do you suggest to get a bet including ciphertrade listed on bb?
Apocalyptic: TAT, as far as I know he's jut an "advisor"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know, this sort of using repuitable member's naivite... that's how labscam worked with theseven for instance.
ThickAsThieves: yeah, my guess is Deprived was initially down to join, and is now unsure
turbo_ac100: Apocalyptic, he said he considers listing DMS there. Nothing more afaik.
mircea_popescu: and also something that is hard to do. putting a website up thereupon numbers are displayed is no sort of achievement.
mircea_popescu: this is what seems to be lost on all the forum tards : so you made a webpage. well done, you're now 15. so ?
ThickAsThieves: make the criteria "mircea popusecu can make an account, but a share, sell it, and get his money out"
mircea_popescu: more liek, S.MPOE will be listed on ciphertrade. that's a bold bet, i'd bet on it.
mircea_popescu: so i gave this chick the task to find the original latin version of the "friends, romans, countrymen" speech.
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea what they teach in school these days, but it definitely isn't english.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3909 = 0.7818 BTC [-]
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 minutes and 17 seconds ago: * mircea_popescu fumes
Apocalyptic: it would be pretty foolish to list him if he wasn't involved
turbo_ac100: hm yeah. Could of course be that he gave advice a couple of times and that was that.
kakobrekla: that girl cant run an asset, how can she run an exchange?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39999999 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: Other features planned from the outset include:
Apocalyptic: turbo_ac100, that's not my definition of "advisory board", i.e. i would be pissed if someone mentionned me on that when all i did was answered 1/2 questions
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the funniest part to me is the proeminent "paybans for the chatbox"
Apocalyptic: people need real time updating and more javascript shit
kakobrekla: ah stop spoiling it for me im not there yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you can't really expect the guy to chase all over obscure forums to correct deliberate misrepresentation by interested parties. he made a statement, it's good enough.
kakobrekla: this will end like nefario/burnside/ukto/worse
kleeck: Working through a third part vendor for one of the companies my company acquired. Asking for the software licensing key and the chick sends me the EULA for the software. /facepalm.
kleeck: "Well, it has the word 'license' in it!"
Apocalyptic: thanks turbo_ac100 somehow i missed this statement
ThickAsThieves: why does everything that is purely informational have to be "harsh" to people
kleeck: "The problem the department has always had in investigating Julian Assange is there is no way to prosecute him for publishing information without the same theory being applied to journalists," former Justice Department spokesman Matthew Miller said.
ozbot: Julian Assange unlikely to be charged in US
kleeck: I don't think Obama wants to add a "War on Journalism" to his repertoire.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.4 = 3.2 BTC [+]
kleeck: Are you talking about poor journalism? Because I'm talking about good journalism, i.e. whistleblowing or avenues for such.
mircea_popescu: if they arrested huffpo, salon, vice etc in corpore that'd be pretty cool.
ThickAsThieves: <ThickAsThieves> hopefully they can solve that problem <<< twas a joke
kleeck: They may not be real journalism but they're fun.
mircea_popescu: if they had an editorial rule that all writers must send tits first, then i'd relent.
turbo_ac100_: ThickAsThieves, harsh was English fuckup. I meant unambiguous or sth like this.
ozbot: KnCMiner Launches 20nm Neptune ASIC Bitcoin Miner With at Least 2TH of Power : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i don't recall, did they ever deliver on their previous planets ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00214796 = 0.479 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: maybe next year only 3 companies will remain and itll be eays
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.38155814 = 16.407 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00374 = 0.3441 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.418 = 0.836 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41999999 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41999999 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4199998 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: thos AM1 ask orders are not showing up on the books in havelock
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.4 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 262 @ 0.00374962 = 0.9824 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 338 @ 0.0037807 = 1.2779 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: i was staring at the orderbook when those last few trades went off, and they never showed up
topace: yea hte "live update" doesnt yet add new orders
topace: it only removes cancelled orders
topace: then whole page reloads every 30 seconds (maybe its 20?)
topace: i just hired another full time employee
topace: except i have an office, a phone number, and a whole team (currently 6 in my office)
topace: they just arent all dedicated to havelock unfortunately
topace: becuase im foolish enough to hang out on irc
topace: brings me back to my DoD days.. ahh the 90's
jcpham: i found a cult of the dead cow sticker in an old book the other day
topace: i think its like.. "end of q1, early q2"
topace: but knc is pretty good about underpromise/overdliver
topace: yea knc is cell based asic i think
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 870.599, Best ask: 877.0, Bid-ask spread: 6.40100, Last trade: 877.49999, 24 hour volume: 30617.54264616, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 896.0, 24 hour vwap: 839.94739
topace: i wouldnt be surprised if the neptunes are 4-5TH by the time they ship
topace: ThickAsThieves: i just checked the past AM1 trades, no problem there, there'ss exsisting orders on both sides
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt be surprised if the diff is 4-5b by then too
ThickAsThieves: just seemed odd, it must just be that trade bot is fast
topace: yea, the api gets hit pretty heavily
topace: probably 30-50 requests/second
topace: probably average 10/sec though over time
ozbot: Vicco to consider paying police chief in Bitcoin - hazard-herald.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5394 @ 0.0000881 = 0.4752 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.000087 = 0.522 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078569 / 0.00078981 / 0.00079063 (29950 shares, 23.66 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.0008004 / 0.00085604 (1339765 shares, 1,072.36 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082342 / 0.00088996 (5167769 shares, 4,255.27 BTC)
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00079063 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: hah Garr255 negrated me on forums finally, for negrating him "illegitimately"
jurov`: yea, but only the legitimate ones
ozbot: How to process Bitcoin payments cheaply and easily pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Venat: Thank you midnightmagic
jurov`: phew, just generating either unique addresses or unique amounts is near trivial
jurov`: harder is to actually detect incoming bitcoins if you don;'t want to do it by hand
jurov`: since dudes around here are trying to make bitcoin POS
jurov`: we had some meditations around doublespend detection, tx propagation and such
jurov`: and there will be much more
mircea_popescu: yeah but you gotta appreciate, that's exactly the other end of the spectrum from what im discussing
pankkake: KnC announces "Neptune", 20nm miner
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 885.31107, Best ask: 896.99499, Bid-ask spread: 11.68392, Last trade: 883.22307, 24 hour volume: 31502.25733348, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 899.0, 24 hour vwap: 843.94834
jurov`: yes, i appreciate it's only for simplest stuff
jurov`: still, the actual processing part is completely missing
mircea_popescu: at that level it's supposed to be done by hand by the one guy who's the business.
jurov`: yes. i guess his email needs to be in Cc or Bcc
jurov`: and he should be able to keep track of stuff so that he doesn't credit account twice or such
jurov`: yes . then he notices the last digits and <troll>reverses the hash to obtain the email. easy </troll>
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so your method is for people with treasurers?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller my method is for people trying to sell online. like say nubbins.
thestringpuller: yes, but your article implies this is manually done and not automated
thestringpuller: like painting pretty pictures of women, or smoking blunts with hip hop artists
mircea_popescu: he can't automate it, he will have to mail it. himself.
turbo_ac100_: mircea_popescu, Haha "How to process Bitcoin payments" actually sounds like you were writing for people you don't despise although you suggest they don't know what a salt is.
mircea_popescu: so once he sees a new payment, he searches his inbox, finds the relvant receiver and goes mail
mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100_ better to explain what doesn't need to be explained
ozbot: Second major Bitcoin heist this month allegedly takes over $1 million | The Verge
nubbins`: don't put me in charge of money
thestringpuller: reconciling the order from his inbox to the address is still a manual process
thestringpuller: ah so it reconciles itself! the message in the inbox == the invoice
nubbins`: i received three calls from UPS today, two robots and a person
nubbins`: you'd think they'd just make the one call, since all three packages are from the same sender
nubbins`: replace obama administr... yeah
pankkake: "If he had any decency he would offer a buy back at 0.2, save some of his name, show that he has belief in the site... and he would still be 5 millions good."
pankkake: guy stole only half my money so he's decent!
pankkake: yeah they should, cause I'm still down on jd :(
nubbins`: i raked it in on jd and then cashed out
nubbins`: can't get any luckier than that, so i stopped
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00375 = 0.2138 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: it bothers me more that he is making money, than that they are losing money
nubbins`: tat, does it generally bother you when people lose money? ;)
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a7e3ff911e16f8fe42897565cdab5b3fa41e6bd9940e85f4469096b4
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
nubbins`: there's middle ground in there
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bloctoc 1 works for mfoundry, all around reasonable guy.
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nubbins`: i gotta print book covers today, some girl is getting us to publish an excerpt from one of her diaries
nubbins`: also poorly written, but what do you expect
nubbins`: well ya know. a lot of the stuff we publish is more for a release on the part of the author than for anything else
mike_c: nubs, are you typesetting?
mike_c: wow, lot of work for 50 copies.
nubbins`: we've published a bunch of stuff from this guy who spent a few years in the bughouse
nubbins`: actually a good read, but he said he mostly wants to get it out of his head rather than make a fortune off it
nubbins`: but it was too late for all that, the buggers held full control, so all rooms are now hospital. the candy cart of medication wheels behind me, manacled by psychotic chains. lines of division have been dissolved. this letter is also spoken live in the minds of all others. medication is food. Rx is smoked. food is smoked. all useless as light dripped from bulbs into splashing puddles of light upon th
nubbins`: floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. the firmament, a massive inferno of blue-black gods. judges pouring time as the piss of Dionysus. insects dripping honey and pulling wax upon my ears. says, 'All the angels can dance on the tip of a pin. all thoughts can jig upon the point of a pen'
☟︎ nubbins`: John the Baptist runs soap suds over the brainstem, each bubble is Electroconvulsive therapy raining from the fingertips of classical musicians. we sit upon psychedelic mushrooms like sleeping toads. these toads are pharmacists...pharmacobotanists.
nubbins`: flies spit antipsychotic froth on their tongues & wheel about cheap paint walls. all hospitals are life now
nubbins`: ^ that's right in the thick of it there
mircea_popescu: meh. read burroughs be done with the sort of crap. at least that's my experience.
Venat: Do you enjoy Faldbakken, nubbins` ?
nubbins`: yeah, heavy burroughs/bukowski influences there
nubbins`: oddly, my mother enjoyed reading it
nubbins`: altho she said the ending was disappointing
nubbins`: you know, they're not joking when they say not to take LSD and watch that movie
nubbins`: anyway, we have i think 4 or 5 copies of the first edition left if you're looking for xmas gifts for the weirdos in your family
mike_c: somebody needs to wake up the chinese
gribble: Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -2.11807954545 %.
mike_c: i think this means that usd is a scarier bet than the yuan right now.
ThickAsThieves: wikipedia wants me to donate with a pop-up, but no bitcoin option
thestringpuller: USD interests rates are about to skyrocket so I wouldn't hold yuan for too long
pankkake: donating in fiat should get you tax breaks though
nubbins`: oh hey, $850 on virtex, that's an ATH
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.03697998 = 0.1849 BTC [+]
phungus: QE TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!
mike_c: they've been struggling lately
mircea_popescu: who was asking earlier about why mpbot ain't quoting ?
phungus: they can't taper without throwing markets in to turmoil
mike_c: i don't follow that. seems not tapering -> hyperinflation -> food shortages.
mike_c: so food shortages either way?
mircea_popescu: it's not a question of food shortages being avoidable.
mike_c: ah. i gotta go to the grocery store. brb.
thestringpuller: lol reading this article is like reading the beginning of the monetary apocalypse in the US
mike_c: what's the big deal? what's a $4 trillion balance sheet among friends?
mircea_popescu: basically the continued qe makes repatriation of all assets from the us a slow process
phungus: we're fucked every which way with QE
mircea_popescu: gives the voters the opportunity to learbn slowly, move their diets towards govt cheese over a few years
mircea_popescu: and that's well... harder to pretend "we're progressing" and that dietary restrictions are "for your own health"
nubbins`: y'know, i started stockpiling food and water long before i started stockpiling precious metals and btc
mircea_popescu: suppose you were the one guy in leningrad with a basement full of ham.
nubbins`: so you get to stay in said basement and never come out for fear of being ripped to pieces by hungry neighbours
mircea_popescu: because they can't force their way in. you can't currently keep the police at bay from your basement
mircea_popescu: and you'kll somehow keep a horde at bay. through what means.
nubbins`: well, the police only know i have stockpiles of food because i've entered it into the public record.
pankkake: that's why you should actually stockpile tanks
mircea_popescu: i guess you could always threaten to post on bitcointalk if they scam you of your ham...
nubbins`: anyway, it's not a bad idea. suppose you get laid off, having 6 months of food is a big help
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i can't remember a time when my largest expense was food.
nubbins`: suppose the power goes for the better part of a week in the dead of winter. having a big pile of kerosene is a big help
nubbins`: suppose the faucet starts spitting brown water. having a big pile of jugged water is a big help
nubbins`: tat, suppose something happens to my wife?
deadweasel: nubbins, what happens if the police decide they want your stockpiles?
deadweasel: why would you enter it into the public record?
mike_c: he already did. about 20 lines up.
deadweasel: NSA nubbins' record: Lots of HAM in basement.*
nubbins`: deadweasel: i'm hoping the local cops won't know about log.bitcoin-assets.com
nubbins`: anyway, this isn't the usa where every neighbourhood has a swat team
deadweasel: yeah, moved away from those areas too.
nubbins`: anyway the police are generally fuckups here
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's not water, that's soju
nubbins`: (and they seriously sell it in jugs like that)
nubbins`: soju is also available in juice box form
jurov`: at least they don't sell fiji water in romania i hope
nubbins`: nod, i've told nobody but you guys about my stockpiles
mircea_popescu: people, generally, will make any claim that seems on the balance of the moment to yield them more beans.
nubbins`: people will justify any action to get what they want
nubbins`: "fuck him, let's take it" is more than enough justification
mircea_popescu: perhaps the deeply seated, secret reason why bitbet policy struck such a chord with the multitudes.
mircea_popescu: they feel threatened when it's a case of "you fucked up, you're fucked"
mircea_popescu: that means their usual "fuck you, we want yoru stuff" is perhaps not the be all, end all.
ozbot: BitBet - Litecoin (LTC) to rise above 20USD each before Dec 25th
mike_c: asciilifeform: great story about the firewood. not often you read recent historical accounts of this kind of stuff.
nubbins`: lot of hurricane katrina horror stories on the survivalist forums
nubbins`: cops raiding houses where generators can be heard
mircea_popescu: in the current us cops are strictly pacified barbarian tribes, "keeping the peace" a la cumans in the old republic.
ozbot: How to process Bitcoin payments cheaply and easily : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: i feel guilty saying this, but i just found like 600ltc i didnt know i had
mircea_popescu: the seat cushions of #bitcoin-assets shall become more fabled than those of the shah of iran
mircea_popescu: "and then looking through old stuff i had in the fridge i found an emerald"
pankkake: well at least you americans have guns
pankkake: around here mostly cops and military
nubbins`: even the cops weren't allowed to carry guns here until recently
nubbins`: well. rcmp always had sidearms
pankkake: most of ours cops don't either
nubbins`: rnc had shotguns that they had to keep locked in the trunks of their cars
pankkake: but they probably have access to them
nubbins`: they all have sidearms now too
nubbins`: would rather deal with rnc than rcmp any day
nubbins`: first example that comes to mind
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.41699993 = 1.251 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 274 @ 0.00379879 = 1.0409 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00385 = 0.1271 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, all the "survivalist" crap understood as "o hey i store dried beans and ammo rounds" is nonsense
mircea_popescu: survivalism means, keeping a large enough group of determined individuals, who once govt collapses move in to take over
mircea_popescu: seek out and execute all law enforcement of any type, hang all political representatives of the old stystem in the town square and leave them there to be eaten by the crows
mircea_popescu: then get the people to come up with a new constitution and so forth.
mircea_popescu: in practical terms, becoming an enforcer in your local drug trade is much more survivalistic
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform regardless, they WILL all live the same scenario.
mircea_popescu: i guess once you've decided you shall be the cow it may make sense to try and ensure you're a particularly milky one.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00080752 = 1.5747 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but generally, survival means getting quite well used to the idea that you will be killing for all sorts of reasons
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03697998 = 0.3698 BTC [+] {4}
jcpham: i'm ready for urvival mode i think
jcpham: definitely mentally and emotionally
jurov`: oh, how did you prepare mentally?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Just as one would expect, the invisible hand of the market fails to make itself visible, but it is plain to see that fuel is no longer delivered to either of these communities, although in the second one some fuel is likely to still be available on the black market, at prices that very few people can afford."
mircea_popescu: can't tell if trolling or retarded quite to the degree ?
jcpham: i'd say i'm mentally prepared from a lifetimeof bullshit
mircea_popescu: but he just claimed it fails to make itself visible...
mircea_popescu: the invisible hand doth not denote this hand that'll do what you bid it do.
mircea_popescu: it doth denote instead this hand which will beat you until you do what it bids you.
mircea_popescu: Unaccustomed to operating outside the law and having few connections with the criminal underworld, they are slow to penetrate the black market, which now offers the only way to obtain many necessary items, such as food, cooking fuel and medicines, including the items that had been previously looted from their own stockpiles. Worse yet, they once again become estranged from one another: their acquaintances and friendshi
mircea_popescu: ps were formed within a peaceful, civilized, law-abiding mode of social behavior. When they are forced to turn to scavenging, outright theft and looting, prostitution, black market dealing and consorting with criminals, they can no longer recognize in each other the people they knew before, and the laboriously synthesized community again dissolves into nuclear families.
mircea_popescu: no nuclear famblies ye morons. married men are dead men.
mircea_popescu: " The children, who are already in the habit of roaming the streets in gangs and harassing and mugging strangers, now come to serve as the community's early warning system in case of an organized incursion."
deadweasel: ^ how so? because they're families drag-ass, get them killed?
mircea_popescu: he gets that part right. children always were humanity's dispensable test pod.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel because they care about more shit than normal people.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: "A safe and congenial environment for you and your children is obviously very nice, much better than trying to survive among social predators." ummm.... we just went through why it's very very bad. wtf is with this guy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15159992 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so is he here speaking as livestock or as not livestock ? i get confused.
Venat: man I need to fucking kill somebody
mircea_popescu: The current way of changing the rules involves lobbying, deliberation, legislation and litigation—time-consuming, expensive activities for which there will be neither the time nor the resources. There are no non-destructive ways to decomplexify complex systems
mircea_popescu: preferably starting with my comments as to what bitcoin court
nubbins`: wait, you mean we need infrastructure for btc to work?
nubbins`: next you'll be telling me that computers are required too
deadweasel: There are no non-destructive ways to decomplexify complex systems
mircea_popescu: deadweasel bitbet just decomplexified court proceedings by abourt 9 layers.
mircea_popescu: bitbet did the same to a number of different processes, even if teh community has not quite grasped how
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the guy with "his" 10 btc onfiscated seemed pretty shot.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you think about it, bitbet isn't "a betting site". bitbet is bitcoi ncourt, which is to say a quick and flexible system to resolve disputes.
nubbins`: well yes, obv it can be done by hand. is that feasible?
nubbins`: you find a hungry person who can transcribe a 16gb blockchain to paper
pankkake: let's say you give him a tx or even a private key to pay the guy
nubbins`: how many H/s can the average hungry person perform?
nubbins`: seems like we're talking possible vs probable here
pankkake: yes, but the time to spread the info will be very long
mircea_popescu: tbh, it will probably be the case that the new ipos wioll be all about "mining slide rule" producers
pankkake: bitcoin relies on spreading blocks and txs quickly to everyone
mircea_popescu: that's meaningless. "as quickly as feasible". if there's no internet that quckly slows down
pankkake: anyway the no internet/no computers thing is silly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, mechanical calculators and hashing ftw.
nubbins`: pankkake, it's but a solar flare away
mircea_popescu: pankkake just because you happen to be culturally immersed in the computers-and-internet thing
pankkake: no, the thing is, remove computers, you kill a lot of much more important stuff
nubbins`: i dunno guys, if there's no more power grids, i don't think people are going to start constructing babbage machines
nubbins`: more realistic is a herbert-style setup where the rich have rooms full of slaves performing calcs
ozbot: Bitcoin Scammers & (Other Cryptocurrency Scammers)
Venat: noob question: What happens to the TX Fee?
jcpham: bu there are non scam sites on it
ozbot: Marble adding machine - YouTube
pankkake: every bitcoin website is in it
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is there a way to airgap a machine, but still communicate with mpex?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller sure. at the worst copy the gpg blurb by hand to another machine
deadweasel: fuckin A patents trolls.... how could they?
mircea_popescu: otherwise, use a qr gun, or an acoustic modem or anything
nubbins`: couple of old printer/scanner combos
deadweasel: even a witness that says "I BUILT THIS TWO YEARS BEFORE" doesn't cu tit?
Venat: mircea_popescu, so I can mine transactions?
ozbot: The marble adding machine
mircea_popescu: venat when you mine a new block, you can include any number of txs in it.
mircea_popescu: the 25 block reward along with any btc that was input in those tx but not output (ioe, the fees) you keep
Venat: thanks for clearing that up :)
ozbot: French drug dealer sent tax bill on estimated income - FRANCE - FRANCE 24
pankkake: now they "estimate" your income :o
nubbins`: y'know, there was a canadian guy who had a multi-million dollar marijuana seed selling business
nubbins`: he paid hefty taxes each year, wrote "marijuana seed vendor" on all his returns
nubbins`: then the rcmp arrested him and extradited him to the usa, a country in which he had never been, and there he sits in prison
nubbins`: obvious implication is that you can expect to get deported to riyadh if you mail a porno mag there
mircea_popescu: only if you live in a shitty country to which you souldn't be paying taxes anyway
nubbins`: well, look what happened to the guy who did pay taxes!
nubbins`: until this extradition and imprisonment, do you know what was the biggest punishment for selling marijuana seeds in canadian history?
nubbins`: pankkake: you can refuse invitations
mircea_popescu: if he didn't pay his taxes at least he could still be a vory.
nubbins`: no canadian sovereignty under conservative rule
davout: pankkake: priceless shit is priceless
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 894.00001, Best ask: 895.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.99999, Last trade: 894.00001, 24 hour volume: 32027.83208414, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 899.0, 24 hour vwap: 847.7564
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 902.5311, Best ask: 902.57412, Bid-ask spread: 0.04302, Last trade: 902.5311, 24 hour volume: 33033.66530043, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 900.9, 24 hour vwap: 849.37664
pankkake: we have lift off, destination $M00N
ozbot: BitBet Scammed me for 10 BTC (properly formatted)
mircea_popescu: pankkake mike_c deadweasel davout it pains me to see you have been demoted
mircea_popescu: consequently your pay grade has been lowered from tenured to mere associates
pankkake: I don't know what "associates" actually means
deadweasel: wow, that demotion was ripe for trolling. thanks!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4157777 = 0.8316 BTC [-]
davout: i haven't been demoted
davout: as a matter of fact i have two reports made by pankakke that i should handle diligently
davout: i'm only mod in the french section
davout: moderating the french is srs business
davout: i should ask for pankkake to be modded, he does the work of reporting, i hit delete thread, and i get paid xD
pankkake: yeah, I already said how unfair it is
pankkake: but I definitively don't want to be a mod
mircea_popescu: if you mod him he's going to do all sorts of unconscionable stuff
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: my first time using black paper. very nice
pankkake: I've been moderator a few times elsewhere, never abused it
davout: it's like it would stick out on btctalk
pankkake: but the thing is, people then expect you to behave
mircea_popescu: deadweasel is that a tiger and a monsanto chicken in your avatar ?
davout: make it a routine, spend at least 10 minutes a day crushing these lovely expectations
nubbins`: c'mon gribs, don't leave me hanging
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 940.0, vol: 35185.04603883 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 877.91, vol: 33329.11379630 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 869.8, vol: 33929.22801 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 899.99, vol: 7450.24206635 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 822.0, vol: 313.86130455 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 875.544063, vol: 40810.02500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 890.887785158
deadweasel: must be, mp. that monsanto chicken is looking mythical
gribble: There are currently 11164181 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 38053035.3219 USD in total. | Data vintage: 124.5105 seconds
altoz: ;; asks 9999999999
gribble: There are currently 17323.799 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999999.0 USD, worth 239506812.86 USD in total. | Data vintage: 134.7923 seconds
mike_c: no way, as soon as he fixes this: "I don't have the resources or expertise to build such a thing right now" you are in trouble.
nubbins`: all i see is free clipart and a lousy 5-min snowden stencil
nubbins`: well, i shouldn't be so hard on them
mike_c: he doesn't have that part figured out yet
mike_c: maybe mp's post will help
nubbins`: so he's released the btc logo to the public domain, that's nice of him
nubbins`: anyway, selling stuff like this via website only is a mug's game
nubbins`: printing is a pavement-pounding business
nubbins`: unless you're threadless or busted tees
cazalla: i don't understand why anyone would wear a bitcoin t-shirt
cazalla: if i'm a criminal, i'm following you home
mike_c: see asciilifeform's previous link. you shouldn't be advertising your stockpiles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.39289504 = 3.5361 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: wearing a three-piece suit is advertising a stockpile.
nubbins`: dining at a fancy restaurant is advertising a stockpile.
mike_c: hah. well, mp doesn't agree with that book
nubbins`: driving an SUV is advertising a stockpile.
mike_c: no, because suv is useless post-apocalypse
cazalla: i can't steal you SUV as effectively as i can steal your bitcoins
nubbins`: wearing a BTC t-shirt is advertising the fact that you're a nerd
mike_c: ham in the basement (or btc) is not
pankkake: aren't SUV just cheap big cars for people who can't drive?
nubbins`: no, they're cars so assholes can stop having to tell people that they're assholes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37000002 BTC [-]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 940.2, Best ask: 942.5, Bid-ask spread: 2.30000, Last trade: 940.2, 24 hour volume: 35503.67066914, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 947.0, 24 hour vwap: 855.98308
nubbins`: my roommate @ $410: "i'm going to sell half of my bitcoins when the price doubles"
mircea_popescu: reinventing the wheel, two years later. what can possibly go wrong ?
nubbins`: my roommate @ $820: "nevermind"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because bugpowder wasn't here in a while going on about the past five minutes ?
mike_c: i don't trust the price when we get this far ahead of the chinese
gribble: Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -7.58578947368 %.
cazalla: looks like chinese have been buying ritecoin on btc-e
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: bets sent after the trigger of the resolution are discarded, if I recall correctly?
pankkake: thestringpuller: and donate to the shareholders? :)
mike_c: distributed as dividends
pankkake: actually, they are refunded with 1% fee
pankkake: as long as the bet is still open
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if the bet is not closed they get refunded
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the deadpool, anyone ehard anything of the bitcoin foundation lately ?
nubbins`: i only recognize the bitcoin authority, the foundation is a sham
pankkake: namecoin had a silly bug but it's fixed
pankkake: no one still actually uses it :(
mike_c: i don't understand why the gox trading lag jumps from "2 seconds" to "35 minutes"
nubbins`: because bouncy balls instead of chairs
mike_c: it can't be two strings and a can, that's bitstamp.
mike_c: er, two cans and a string :)
nubbins`: "i can't hear you" "pull the can tighter"
ThickAsThieves: forum quote of the day "Not to mention that the only thing pre-orders leave you with is a dick in your mouth."
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 922.0, Best ask: 924.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 921.16, 24 hour volume: 36586.58496110, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 950.0, 24 hour vwap: 858.58179
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
gribble: Current Blocks: 271653 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 506 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 693111945.529 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.72135
nubbins`: i gave my dad half a bitcoin for his birthday back in august
nubbins`: kinda set the bar a bit high, my mom's birthday is tomorrow ;(
pankkake: give her a quarter of bitcoin, tell her she had to be born earlier
blastbob: i have saved 1 BTC each of my closest friends
deadweasel: Give her none, she already has your fathers
blastbob: so when i ask them for joining me on a vacation and they say i cannot afford it
deadweasel: don't pull it for 10 years, travel to MPs moonbase where pleasurebots pleasure you while the masses toil at manual hashing.
nubbins`: would rather the bots toil and the masses pleasure me tbh
mike_c: not us deadweasel, we're associates.
mike_c: no manual hashing for us
nubbins`: it's what, < 300 btc to go to space?
nubbins`: yeah between 250-300 depending on rate
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: robots don't belong on dicks
mike_c: with badbios floating around, you just can't trust those robots anymore
pankkake: never tried a fleshlight. does it really work?
deadweasel: yes, I don't recall fondly my teenage daliance with a pool intake pipe.... dicks should not go in there, lest they never come out.
nubbins`: pankkake: in the sense that fucking anything soft will work, i'd imagine
mircea_popescu: pankkake i recall a bukkake scene where one fo the guys couldn't cum on the girl
nubbins`: pankkake: just roll a slice of bologna around your dick and squat it between two mattresses
mircea_popescu: so eventually he got some plastic blender thing, did it in that
nubbins`: CV: "can only cum in blenders"
deadweasel: i think the food-network picked him up for an upcoming late night series.
nubbins`: now that's the sort of guy who would choose the pleasurebot
mircea_popescu: as the wanker culture spreads, it'll prolly be rare for people to fuck anyway
ozbot: Celibacy syndrome in Japan: Why aren't young people interested in sex or relationships?
nubbins`: just taking a stab here, unimaginable levels of social pressure and stress?
pankkake: actually way too many pornos have guys that can't cum
nubbins`: pankkake: like the guys who go "HRRRRRRR NNNNRRRRRGGGGHHHH" and like 5cc dribbles out?
mircea_popescu: pankkake you couldn't cum too if you styuck a needle in your penis
pankkake: thankfully my favorite porn source has the tag "female.completion"
nubbins`: and they have to milk their dicks like empty toothpaste tubes to even get that much?
pankkake: is that appealing to foot fetishists? i like the shoe design though
ThickAsThieves: looks like you;d need to keep your toes pointing out to keep the form
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3614 = 0.7228 BTC [-]
nubbins`: you'd be surprised how well people can get around on crazy shoes
mircea_popescu: she'll walk just fine once the options are well structured.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6534 @ 0.00008256 = 0.5394 BTC [-] {14}
nubbins`: like the uh, what are those japanese ones called
nubbins`: i've seen people RUN on cobblestones wearing those
deadweasel: stop chasing them, someone could get hurt.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10247 @ 0.00007156 = 0.7333 BTC [-] {38}
nubbins`: nah, when i chase people, i generally don't notice their footwear
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3769 @ 0.00006794 = 0.2561 BTC [-] {15}
ozbot: Japanese man runs Honolulu Marathon 2009 in wooden shoes - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36130002 BTC [-]
nubbins`: hm actually shit video, don't bother
deadweasel: no worries, at work, can't risk nsfw in here.
deadweasel: when richard branson clad with naked woman flying a surf kite plastered across my 24" screen yesterday, I decideed no more links at work....
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00353316 = 1.7666 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.003511 = 0.1756 BTC [-] {2}
bVector: if I place a bet on bitbet and it gets rejected, will my funding transaction get refunded?
pankkake: if you bet while it is still open, it will be refunded
pankkake: in case you bet after the fact
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000
bVector: just saw the return transaction
Venat: All mistakes are easy to make if one's not particularly trying to avoid making mistakes. You could drive your car into the garage door, for instance.
mike_c: anyone have experience (or opinion) with a good fire-resistant safe?
ozbot: Garden Safe - Effective Pest Control Solutions for Your Home & Garden | Garden Safe
mike_c: tougher for urban dwellers
bVector: mike_c: someone else's garden
mike_c: are you guys serious? like, you would bury your paper backup?
mircea_popescu: but srsly mike_c, safes are a bad idea for holding valuables.
mike_c: i'm not thinking for burglar protection, just fire/water. i mean, what do you guys actually do? carve the backup in bronze and bury it?
bVector: ehh copper isnt the best for corrosion
mike_c: crazy. ok, i'll re-think.
mircea_popescu: a good solution is to gpg it and publish it for instance.
mike_c: ah, now that's a good idea
mircea_popescu: mike_c the reason the girl keeps saying "six months to a year" is quite this : so much shit needs pondering.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.38 = 1.14 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: for the record : bronze is the most stable material in general use, by a far margin
mircea_popescu: long after the places where cities stood could no longer even be inferred by radiation measurements,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well sure, or some custom carbides, or diamond.
FabianB_: looks like bitcoincharts.com got hardware upgrades
mike_c: of course, to securely gpg it i would need a high-quality rng.. where could i get one of those i wonder.
mike_c: ascii, back to work! ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15961 @ 0.00080893 = 12.9113 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 40 @ 0.0732525 = 2.9301 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00351 = 0.2282 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.03300006 = 0.792 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 953.50001, Best ask: 961.89, Bid-ask spread: 8.38999, Last trade: 953.50001, 24 hour volume: 34400.68269534, 24 hour low: 805.22, 24 hour high: 964.0, 24 hour vwap: 881.34339
gribble: There are currently 11099116 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 37185831.9505 USD in total. | Data vintage: 89.0914 seconds
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 956.0, Best ask: 956.00001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 960.0, 24 hour volume: 34310.53027401, 24 hour low: 805.22, 24 hour high: 964.0, 24 hour vwap: 881.8094
gribble: A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 971019.0300 USD and would take the last price up to 979.3258 USD, resulting in an average price of 971.0190 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0586 seconds
gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 10835810.7480 USD and would take the last price up to 1247.1139 USD, resulting in an average price of 1083.5811 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 1.3082 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1000 @ 0.00011106 = 0.1111 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1380 @ 0.00011253 = 0.1553 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2654 @ 0.00008888 = 0.2359 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.369952 = 10.3587 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1199 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.41404541 = 4.5545 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03687699 = 0.3688 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 27 @ 0.0369822 = 0.9985 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.037 = 0.555 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12520 @ 0.0000725 = 0.9077 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: BFL is doing a black friday discount
pankkake: we are on the same spam list :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00080945 = 0.9713 BTC [+]
jurov`: i'd prefer clay tablets for bearer bonds. gold, bronze, etc. is at risk of being repurposed to scrap metal
jurov`: babylonians knew their stuff
jurov`: if anyone wonders what the usg are doing
jurov`: moar gay couples than in manhattan
BingoBoingo: jurov`: Probably clay encased in some sort of acrylic to provide shatter resistance.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4099 = 0.8198 BTC [-]