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deanclkclk: @ davout ^
davout: yeah, i got that the first time
davout: :-)
deanclkclk: ok
mircea_popescu: O RLY? YA RLY <code block> NO WAI <code block> OIC
deanclkclk: why isn't it interesting?
mircea_popescu: ok this is pretty good :D
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: when is the MPOEbot coming back? And when will pending deposits be credited?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00087433 = 4.2405 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the bot just as soon as it manages to talk to bitcoincharts
deanclkclk: @ davout ^
mircea_popescu: and deposits just as soon as lemme see
davout: deanclkclk: because you reinvented market orders, except you have the currency amount you're spending locked, not the currency you're buying
Bugpowder: been waiting for a test deposit for 36 hours....
davout: bitstamp already does it
davout: deanclkclk: so no, it's not a very interesting idea, not a bad way to let users place orders but still
deanclkclk: you are a trader davout ?
mircea_popescu: incredible how thick this guy is lmao
davout: goodbye deanclkclk, i'm going to play
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty lulzy.
deanclkclk: davout: it benefits the seller and buyer. I was talking from mostly from the buyer
deanclkclk: ok
Bugpowder: I like the cryptsy system of, whatever bid you place that is over market, you get filled at asks at that exact price.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. Who really wants to use their acquaintance Brian in that way at all. Everyone knows their Brian will just flag everything as a scam and tell them to STFU n00b.
mircea_popescu: clearly evil brian.
Duffer1: cryptsy system of trading, make trade, it executes a few hours later
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder why ?
deanclkclk: Duffer1: u mean everything gets execute late?
Bugpowder: you know... place asks and bids way off market at round numbers, get favorably filled at random intervals in the future.
Duffer1: it was a joke, cryptsy is a joke ^.^
mircea_popescu: sounds artistic.
mircea_popescu: like you know, trade as a happening.
BingoBoingo: I'm wondering when other ATC people are coming over to Apocalyptic's exchange.
BingoBoingo: Or... are we all waiting for Openex withdrawals
benkay: openex scam
benkay: use your brian BingoBoingo
Apocalyptic: first ATC deposits will confirm in a couple of hours given the network rate, no much action to be expected until then
Bugpowder: heheh
Apocalyptic: benkay, indeed
BingoBoingo: benkay: They have processed withdrawals before, it just usually takes 12 hours or so. Now, their order matching... totally scam.
mircea_popescu: yeah even on the internets ppl need a little time
Apocalyptic: it seems deanclkclk took his idea over to -otc now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00087723 = 24.2115 BTC [+] {4}
Duffer1: i wonder how many times he's been offered super cheap ltc
mircea_popescu: prolly a much better environment for him anwyay.
davout: deanclkclk: what people are trying to tell you is that your idea is not retarded, but that it does not constitute an original value proposition
benkay: you guys you guys you guys
benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ_JOBCLF-I
benkay: THAT IS EVERYONE IN BITCOIN
benkay: especially deanclkclk
benkay: plus also the animations are pretty sweet
mircea_popescu: omfg the derpage.
benkay: did i just get mircea_popescu to watch a video?
mircea_popescu: indirectly but yet.
mircea_popescu: yes*
benkay: indirectly?
mircea_popescu: someone must be punished for this.
benkay: it's his fault.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00087806 = 8.3416 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Looks like Openex just processed a batch of withdrawls. Once these things confirm it will be time to shoot them over to x-bt
Apocalyptic: .d
Apocalyptic: damn you ozbot
BingoBoingo: ;;diff
gribble: 2.6214044530646152E9
asciilifeform: ;;gpg eauth asciilifeform
gribble: Request successful for user asciilifeform, hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-96-241-145-71.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B98228A001ABFFC7
asciilifeform: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1b013f0cf4604b0b39eee440b7280e1eb97c6aab5d299814ffc31393
gribble: You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in a world where every "idea" is in fact chewed and spit and chewed so many times by so many generations by now all that's left is the spit itself << not quite.
asciilifeform: fundamental ideas are still possible.
mircea_popescu: like for instance.
asciilifeform: i have so little faith in the meta-nsa that i'll drop one here.
mircea_popescu: can be historical
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to be curren
mircea_popescu: t
asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05500028 = 1.1 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: this alone should be enough detail for any 'alert reader' to replicate...
mircea_popescu: and this is fundamental ?
asciilifeform: depends on your definition of fundamental. robotics without motors, gears, shafts, lubrication...
asciilifeform: if 'fundamental' means 'discover new field of mathematics', then clearly not.
mircea_popescu: well given what you were replying to i took fundamental to mean "which was never afore thought"
asciilifeform: i did try to find some prior art, of some kind. found none.
asciilifeform: i post this turd here, to challenge the 1,000 idlers listening to us, to do so.
asciilifeform: i'd dearly love for it to be found. so i'm not stuck building the damn thing.
asciilifeform: hint: waveguide allowed to deform.
asciilifeform: as far as i could tell, the last fellow who pondered a related question was mr. t, when he coughed up the ac motor.
mircea_popescu: seems to me about half the 12-yo-boy demographic cartoons out there use this concept.
mircea_popescu: understand, my approach was cultural not technical.
asciilifeform: ?
asciilifeform: every animated robot i know of shows robotic arms with joints
asciilifeform: rather than walking coax.
mircea_popescu: i just googled "robot cartoon"
asciilifeform: (well, triax.)
mircea_popescu: the 7 images at the top include 0 articulated arms
mircea_popescu: all are some sort of tube
asciilifeform: they still typically show at least vaguely jointed movement.
asciilifeform: though perhaps an aficionado of tentacle porn could cough up a counter-example.
mircea_popescu: now, obviously the fact that star-trek revolves around ipads does exactly nothing in a discussion of prior ipad art
mircea_popescu: but it was this rather than that angle i was pursuing.
asciilifeform: so, boolean algebra. fundamental? or, aristotle?
asciilifeform: (that is, or not, given the latter)
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: semiconductor?
mircea_popescu: the cellphone is a trivial greek trinket. they didn't know how to make it, but they did have them in their speech
mircea_popescu: semiconductor is fundamental perhaps.
asciilifeform: public key crypto?
mircea_popescu: certainly the strange behaviours of quantum that manifest at a macro level, from magnetism to histerezis, would perhaps count.
asciilifeform: i tend to think of 'fundamental' in the literal sense. that is, becomes a foundation for a recognizably novel class of things
mircea_popescu: pkc definitely not.
mircea_popescu: yeah but novel in what sense.
mircea_popescu: novel as in "never made before" or novel as in "never spoken of before" ?
asciilifeform: novel in the classic sense of transforming a 'mystery' into a mere 'problem'.
mircea_popescu: right. but still, people spoke of the mystery back when it was not yet a problem
mircea_popescu: would you say the people trying to disprove (or for that matter prove) ZFC are or are not included ?
asciilifeform: can only be said in retrospect.
mircea_popescu: does only the speech of whoever gets the result count ?
mircea_popescu: right. which is what invalidates (from a purely philosophical pov) the approach
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: ty... Hoping to see MPOEbot make a triumphant return soon.
asciilifeform: true. the turd i threw in is not 'fundamental invention', unless it is 10 yrs. later.
asciilifeform: (and the stepper motor and ball screw go to the junkyard)
asciilifeform: (picture, say, street swept by long spool of wire with a broom on one end and a lunchbox-sized driver on the other.)
asciilifeform: every day i wake up and wonder how many other folks are sitting on crap like this
asciilifeform: because there's no place for it.
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> mircea_popescu: ty... Hoping to see MPOEbot make a triumphant return soon. /// unlikely til Gox reopens wd's
mircea_popescu: why ?
ThickAsThieves: cuz i assume bot is off cuz risk
Bugpowder: as do i
mircea_popescu: no, srsly, it actually did not get prices.
Bugpowder: shorting puts right now would be sweet
mircea_popescu: last it quoted was sometime yest.
ThickAsThieves: where do you get prices?
Bugpowder: though shorting puts yesterday would have been sweeter.
ThickAsThieves: http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/weighted_prices.json
ThickAsThieves: works for me
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/faq.html#25 same place.
mircea_popescu: yes but it has to answer when the bot asks
Bugpowder: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 463.40
ThickAsThieves: ok
ThickAsThieves: bot asks like every 10min no?
mircea_popescu: i think there may be a cascading effect where if it misses one it asks too often and then it gets banned for an interval
mircea_popescu: but i was never able to troubleshoot it
mircea_popescu: how would it have been sweet yest anyway ? seem sthe price dropped.
asciilifeform: unrelated: neat find, from today's trip to library, for all crypto aficionados: 'Post-Quantum Cryptography.' Bernstein, Buchmann & Dahmen. (2009)
ThickAsThieves: i dont plan on buying any, i just think it's weird how this happens every "crash"
mircea_popescu: does it tho ?
asciilifeform: (anyone playing with mceliece and the like will find something delicious therein)
ThickAsThieves: at least 2 of the 3 ive seen
ThickAsThieves: i dont recall abnout the 1200 drop
mircea_popescu: yeah well in this process any data can be fit to any hypothesis.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you're into crypto ?
ThickAsThieves: mpex would certainly look better to be working than not
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: just so happens i'm into a number of things.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no particular requirement one can't just trade as is you know ?
ThickAsThieves: not sure what you are saying
Apocalyptic: I wrote some crypto challenges a couple of years ago, involving breaking hash functions and differential crypto, they might interest you
mircea_popescu: i am saying that mpex allows people to trade whether the bot quotes or doesn't quote,
ThickAsThieves: we're talking about the bot
mircea_popescu: and that the bot is a private offering which is in principle not required to offer anyone any convenience other than its backers.
mircea_popescu: so it can't possibly a) look good or bad b) make mpex anything.
benkay: people can't price options on their own, though mircea. that competence thing.
ThickAsThieves: to you maybe
mircea_popescu: well to logix
ThickAsThieves: why not fix it?
benkay: it's not making any money for mpex shareholders not trading!
ThickAsThieves: ^ decent argument as well
mircea_popescu: cuz it's a fucking hassle to fiddle with its feed, it being hardened ;/
benkay: ThickAsThieves that sounds like a call for a subscription market service.
ThickAsThieves: sound slike something karpeles would say
mircea_popescu: but yeah, quoting outages are temporary, people (who don't generally trade) like to bitch/find conspiraci explanations for otherwise random events.
mircea_popescu: which you know, how much effort can i expend chasing.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves dude wtf are you talking about srsly. what is the connection there ?
asciilifeform: a hilarious find, from the same trip: http://imgur.com/6JhjQeY
ThickAsThieves: saying it's a hassle to fix a broken service?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06099997 = 0.61 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i think you misrepresent a convenience for a right.
asciilifeform: i was not able to locate the ditch filled with the non-functioning students.
asciilifeform: but i admit i did not look very hard.
benkay: all in their bedrooms
mircea_popescu: the bot doesn't have to quote any more than you do. where's your quote on options ?
benkay: ruminating on the future of los estados unidos
mircea_popescu: have you fixed this broken service ?
ThickAsThieves: no one has to do anything
ThickAsThieves: let's just all go home
benkay: also wtf terp asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: turtle is the symbol of the uni. for some reason.
mircea_popescu: no but srsly.
benkay: yeah but - 'terp'?
asciilifeform: terrapin turtle
ThickAsThieves: is there any logging of mpexbot uptime?
ThickAsThieves: optionsbot
asciilifeform: about palm-sized.
ThickAsThieves: not sure what you name it
mircea_popescu: not that i know, but i suppose it's becoming more useful.
Apocalyptic: benkay, a mix between turtle and derp
benkay: all terps are henceforth confined to their quarters
benkay: ritual canings will be administered until moral improves.
asciilifeform: there is a statue on the campus, car-sized, so many of the locals think it must be a gigantic sea-turtle.
ThickAsThieves: i guess no one cares but Bugpowder anyway
benkay: morale*
ThickAsThieves: i still think it's lame
benkay: i care where's my damn options bot profit
mircea_popescu: so make a watcher and do some research.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00087866 = 24.1632 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: i don't really much care in the grand scheme of things but its a point what needs making.
Bugpowder: I have a history of crushing MPOEbot. I think MP fears my awesome trading powers and has pulled the bot.
benkay: lol yeah he saw you fiddling with your key again and pulled the bot
ThickAsThieves: it did happen whilst you were sorting out your key!
Bugpowder: EXACTLY
mircea_popescu: clearly!
ThickAsThieves: observably!
Bugpowder: ALSO HE DELAYED DEPOSIT FLUSHING
Bugpowder: DOUBLEY SAFE
benkay: teh horreur
mircea_popescu: no that was because of satoshi malleability.
asciilifeform: the turtle statue traditionally gets 'offerings' during exam week. this year, more whiskey bottles and handmade bongs than ever before.
mircea_popescu: we had to check all satoshis for cubeness
mircea_popescu: by hand
mircea_popescu: one at a time
benkay: malleability options next?
Bugpowder: heh
Bugpowder: to manipulatable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00296999 = 0.1574 BTC [+]
benkay: well yeah
davout: "we had to check all satoshis for cubeness" <<< win
Bugpowder: I imagine the feed will start working around the same time gox gets dropped from bitcoincharts, and the artificial price jump risk will have been eliminated
mircea_popescu: with all the bitching,
mircea_popescu: 13924429xx ; 13924424xx ; 13924419xx ; 13924414xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924403xx ; 13924403xx ; 13923763xx ; 13923724xx ; 13923716xx
mircea_popescu: that's the past 12 times it quoted
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder srsly, mtgox is not even in the feed of bitcoincharts, since days ago.
mircea_popescu: it has exactly 0 impact in all this discussion.
ThickAsThieves: yes it is
mircea_popescu: mnope.
Bugpowder: it is
Bugpowder: how do they get $465 / BTC
Bugpowder: without it.
Bugpowder: IMPOSSIBURU
ThickAsThieves: you even noted yourself yesterday
ThickAsThieves: that it factors euro
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 439 @ 0.00296999 = 1.3038 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: goxprice
mircea_popescu: o wow look at that.
mircea_popescu: well this is definite bs.
mircea_popescu: but but but wtf, soimehow my bot sees 500ish avgs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00296999 = 0.2257 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i thgought it couldnt see?
mircea_popescu: 537 last
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i just gave you above a list of last times it quoted!
pankkake: Updated http://assass.headfucking.net/ : better CSS(!), strip weird Trilema feed stuff, links to foaf/opml so you can import the list into your own reader. and this is genius: http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/docs/filters.html
ThickAsThieves: how do i read that list?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.00296998 = 1.1642 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: unixtime
Bugpowder: I just want to short 50 DITM puts. A pittance.
Bugpowder: come back MPOEbot
Bugpowder: come back
Bugpowder: I miss u
mircea_popescu: dude did bitcoincharts split the feeds or something wtf is going on here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00297 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currencies/
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets
Bugpowder: what feed are you looking at?
davout: mircea_popescu: if they removed gox from the index it'll probably still be taking into account data from before the removal
Bugpowder: 24hr bor
Bugpowder: bro
davout: Bugpowder: if it's the 24avg and it's been more than 24h then yes I guess sthg is off
ThickAsThieves: i dont think they removed gox
ThickAsThieves: and i doubt they will
davout: this ^
Bugpowder: I don't see why they should.
Bugpowder: They aren't making financial decisions based on their quote
mircea_popescu: sooooo
Bugpowder: though a nefarious agent could potentially take an options position and bribe them to remove it for assured profit.
mircea_popescu: turns out bugpowder is exactly right. bot actually isn't quoting because feeds disagree not because it couldn't get them. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i was wrong o.o
benkay: !b2
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1624396/plain/)
ThickAsThieves: !b 3 ✂︎
benkay: foar history.
Bugpowder: lol
mircea_popescu: well fuck me am i supposed to know all this code these people write all the time everywhere omfgbbq
kakobrekla: i take bribes not to publish that.
Apocalyptic: heh
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: we do it cuz we love you mp
Bugpowder: You should get the line before it too.
Bugpowder: A prediction of the future
Bugpowder: Feb 27, 2014.
benkay: mircea_popescu's having software trubbles
benkay: lol prole problems
davout: 2015 -> "intern accidentally deletes mpex"
benkay: proleblems
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1624399/plain/)
benkay: !b 1 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: benkay the sad part of this of course being that this is actually according to spec i wrote myself.
benkay: wow the spec didn't account for all edge cases
mircea_popescu: at a time long ago when nobody had heard of such a case or imagined it likely.
benkay: color my ass surprised
mircea_popescu: no, that's the problem : it did.
mircea_popescu: it accounted for cases i duly forgot about and then happened
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700005 = 0.335 BTC [+]
benkay: oh well then
benkay: mp wrote a spec that performs
benkay: color my ass surprised?
benkay: just joshin ya boss
mircea_popescu: anyway, mpoebot isn't quoting because the derivation among exchanges is too large, and likely won't until this is resolved somehow.
kakobrekla: why was the last quote 13923716xx then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700005 = 0.335 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: That seems more plausible
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because then somehow (?!) the bitcoincharts avg came out as 537
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 564 @ 0.00023993 = 0.1353 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: which i still have no idea how
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu taps his keyboard of +3 plausibility.
kakobrekla: arite.
mircea_popescu: anyway ppls thanks for bringing it up lol.
mircea_popescu: by being in -assets i get the chance to learn how mpoebot etc actually work.
mircea_popescu: of course...this opnes up a fucking conundrum from hell,
mircea_popescu: because i am currently carrying a shitton of puts, which i would contractually be allowed to execute at the 430 bs bitcoincharts price
benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg
gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 652.46, Best ask: 654.28, Bid-ask spread: 1.82000, Last trade: 654.25, 24 hour volume: 39430.17, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 647.65
mircea_popescu: hmm i wonder where that's from.
mircea_popescu: nanotube where does gribble get ;;ticker --market btcavg data from ?
TomServo: I'd guess https://bitcoinaverage.com/#USD
Bugpowder: EXERCISE THAT SHIT
TomServo: Not sure why that's not the default tbh
nanotube: mircea_popescu: bitcoinaverage.com
mircea_popescu: a ty.
mircea_popescu: TomServo who runs it ? do you know ?
Bugpowder: It's 23,000BTC worth
Bugpowder: EXERCISE
Bugpowder: MAKE DAT MONEY
TomServo: mircea_popescu: I don't, sorry.
Bugpowder: 12,000BTC PROFIT
nanotube: mircea_popescu: bitnumus
mircea_popescu: aha.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts average got messed up one day, because anx.hk accidentally pushed dogecoin trade data in place of bitcoin - thus producing high volume at really low price, and screwing things up. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: nanotube was that day like feb 14th ?
nanotube: i think charts has removed anx.hk for the moment
nanotube: erhm... let me see
benkay: #bitcoin-assets
nanotube: nope, that event was on feb 10
benkay: testing in production since 2011
assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1624416/plain/)
benkay: !b 7 ✂︎
nanotube: heh
BingoBoingo: Looks like x-bt had its first ATC trade
pankkake: there's a usuability issue, when you put an order, you get into the page in POST mode; refreshing it would likely submit the order a second time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00087806 = 8.8684 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: it wouldn't pankkake
mircea_popescu: what's the url again ?
Apocalyptic: csrf one-time token on every form
pankkake: oh, right
pankkake: https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc
BingoBoingo: https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
mircea_popescu: ty
Apocalyptic: unless you submit it before the script has a chance to set the new token ofc
mircea_popescu: um...
pankkake: I'm trying a herbijujular strategy!
mircea_popescu: you don't disable tokens after use ?
cads: mircea_popescu: I'm looking for introductory materials in quantitative finance with focus on hedge funds and derivatives valuation. Any input in this direction?
mircea_popescu: cads it'd deeply depend on what your background is.
mircea_popescu: pure math no finance ?
benkay: cads: joshi, derivatives.
mircea_popescu: i r guess ms joshi can't hurt
cads: mircea_popescu: some economics and game theory
mircea_popescu: "on becoming a quant", see if you hate it
mircea_popescu: iirc it was free
cads: math background is category theory, algebra, graphs and computation/logic
benkay: http://www.markjoshi.com/downloads/advice.pdf
benkay: that'd be the piece in question, cads.
cads: cool, I'll give joshi a spin
benkay: also jc hull
benkay: options derivatives and stuff
benkay: req'd reading.
mircea_popescu: bear in mind that quants are idiots tho. always important to keep this clearly in your head
mircea_popescu: lest you end up believing your imagination has some bearing on reality.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 582 @ 0.00083559 = 0.4863 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06799997 = 0.408 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06799997 = 0.34 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: on which topic n taleb's stuff can't be sufficiently recommended i guess.
cads: mircea_popescu: Haha you mean quantitative models don't magically reorganize reality into your will?
mircea_popescu: exactly
mircea_popescu: and what's worse :
BingoBoingo: The herbi lesson where you place orders based on how you want the book to look rather than on how you could buy and sell at palatable prices.
mircea_popescu: this remains true no matter how breathtakingly beautiful, elegant or symetrical they be.
benkay: no mircea_popescu you see i have this model and it shows that if things were different things would be different
mircea_popescu: i have a different model.
mircea_popescu: the volatility in this chan is fantasitc, not two hours ago we were discussing the new and improved ordering whereby you get more phonenumber with your order,
mircea_popescu: now we're knee deep in kaballah,
mircea_popescu: it never ends with you people.
benkay: quantitative finance -> kabbalah
benkay: i'll buy that one ;)
mircea_popescu: benkay what do you think numeric/quantitative methods are ?
mircea_popescu: re asciilifeform's coin of dry spittle.
cads: I've been butting heads with the stochastic calculus and I think I'm about ready to start reading Probability with Martingales - random variables, random processes, and statistics are starting to feel a lot more natural.
BingoBoingo: The stuff that made Madonna dump A-Rod because his Batting average and WAR stopped being good numbers.
cads: Surprisingly so.... I'd hate for it to go to my head, though :)
mircea_popescu: cads you seen the predictonator ?
cads: Sounds like something a fund manager would name his secret pet model
benkay: mircea_popescu: stochastic simulations, generally? you'd know more than me...
benkay: i was cracking wise about the technical folks' tendency to resort to blind incantations.
mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html
ozbot: Man vs. Machine.
mircea_popescu: tjhat thing
mircea_popescu: benkay but dja know what the kabbalist ppl mostly do ?
cads: the thing I find very useful about the calculus is that, forget finance, say you're dealing with an arrival process in a factory production cell or in an autonomous agent - now /that/ is a situation where your models basically become the magic word of god.
mircea_popescu: this is true.
benkay: mircea_popescu: what?
benkay: cads: you can find greater job satisfaction at a lower rate doing stochastic inventory and supply chain stuff. that said, you have to live in factories or warehouses and interact with line staff from time to time.
mircea_popescu: benkay you familiar with how if you read only the nth letter in an arbitrary string you may find a message in there ?
benkay: mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: that, then.
cads: benkay: I currently /am/ a factory worker :)
mircea_popescu: and various variations and generalisations
benkay: stochastic extraction of "sensible" strings from longer ones?
mircea_popescu: which all amount to basically "let's find the parametric function of the future" or meaning or w/e
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 785 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1947 BTC [+]
benkay: cads: well then there ain't nowhere to go but up!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55999949 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2}
cads: So knowing the nth letter of say an english message will definitely give a probability distribution for things like "what word does this letter belong to" or "is this the middle or end of a word."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00087779 = 21.4181 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: cads except that's the correct way to use numeric methods
mircea_popescu: (ie, as to the message processed)
mircea_popescu: the kabbalistic approach is to use them in the manner global warmists use their "data"
mircea_popescu: ie, to predict or enact the word of gawd.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02579995 = 0.1032 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: (because you see, everything is in the torah, including the birthdate of your future wife you;ve not yet met, as well as the name of her secret lover)
benkay: this is true of π as well.
mircea_popescu: it is also true of the assets bash.
benkay: oh, our corpus isn't quite *that* large or *that* stochastic now...
BingoBoingo: And the trillions of hashes per second which aren't good enough to find blocks.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless it includes by reference enough material.
cads: This is why I refuse to learn finance first. I'd rather take whatever math intuition handicap than be caught using theorems whose conditions are not satisfied.
mircea_popescu: cads you'll never be popular with the fiat-finance crowds,
mircea_popescu: but at least you can always hang out here.
Bugpowder: You could probably do well in the just-dice groupie scene too
kakobrekla: lol price on gox just went 370->530
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6034 @ 0.0008728 = 5.2665 BTC [-] {2}
Bugpowder: god damn it
cads: oh yeah, I'd heard of a sizeable market crash.
Bugpowder: time for the bot to start quoting again
benkay: ;;ticker --market mtgox
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.0, Best ask: 442.97, Bid-ask spread: 2.97000, Last trade: 450.0, 24 hour volume: 53582.53478578, 24 hour low: 310.0, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 368.92604
Bugpowder: Roger Ver's deposit cleared
benkay: the "ship to forum sockpuppets" asic ploy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: von neumann widget, lol. can't wait for some joker to start 'predicting market'
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y116j/mtgox_bitcoin_withdrawals_working_again/ successful trolling I guess
ozbot: MtGox bitcoin withdrawals working again : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: start ?!
cads: bitcoinity.org is now tracking bitstamp rather than gox?
mircea_popescu: cads pretty much everyone is.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 666.0, Best ask: 669.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 666.0, 24 hour volume: 20510.92582860, 24 hour low: 628.88, 24 hour high: 673.01, 24 hour vwap: 650.017359511
cads: Do we have arbitrage between gox and bitstamp?
mircea_popescu: gox is kinda dead
cads: gotcha
cads: 'Transaction Malleability'!?
asciilifeform: benkay: the "ship to forum sockpuppets" asic ploy << there is much to be learned from carnival / stage magic tradecraft re: scams
mircea_popescu: carnies. definitely.
asciilifeform: the 'plant in the audience' recipe, etc.
mircea_popescu: cads http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15141 @ 0.00087184 = 13.2005 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2013#416417 check me out :D ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: also :
mircea_popescu: Kickstarter hacked, user data stolen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 139 @ 0.0008356 = 0.1161 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57618976-83/kickstarter-hacked-user-data-stolen/
ozbot: Kickstarter hacked, user data stolen | Security & Privacy - CNET News
Bugpowder: old
mircea_popescu: lol how old is it ?
Bugpowder: at least 4 hours
mircea_popescu: derp.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00083588 = 0.2508 BTC [+]
cads: Since when the fuck does bitcoin have fucking transaction fucking MALLEABILITY?!
Jere_Jones: This url should be spouted here more often: http://assass.headfucking.net/ 'Tis fucking awesome.
Bugpowder: cads: at least 4 hours
cads: Wow!
copumpkin: cads: it's been known since 2011
mircea_popescu: cads like 2009 dood
copumpkin: it isn't really all that much of a problem
copumpkin: if you're aware of it, which it turns out nobody was
mircea_popescu: who the hell wasn't srsly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000836 = 0.2508 BTC [+]
copumpkin: all the major exchanges and the "official" bitcoin-qt client :P
mircea_popescu: i think it was a topic of discussion at least monthly.
copumpkin: well, they all failed at it in some way or another
mircea_popescu: in this sense security qualifies.
copumpkin: anyway, it wasn't a threat of loss of bitcoins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 261 @ 0.0008375 = 0.2186 BTC [+]
copumpkin: unless you layer additional stupidity on top of it
copumpkin: which mtgox apparently did
mircea_popescu: or so they say.
benkay: copumpkin: do you write in public anywhere?
copumpkin: I tweet occasionally
copumpkin: why?
mircea_popescu: because he likes you and would like to get to know you better.
mircea_popescu: in a more intimate manner.
cads: secsooally
mircea_popescu: no homo.
mircea_popescu: benkay you know he's the asshole who stole my bentley and gave it to a bunch of kids from like poor countries in india or some shit, and in exchange they hacked a bunch of iphones for him
mircea_popescu: or nokias or whatever it was.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1000 @ 0.0055 = 5.5 BTC
cads: "While transactions are signed, the signature does not currently cover all the data in a transaction that is hashed to create the transaction hash. "
cads: Wut.
mircea_popescu: cause meta.
BingoBoingo: Doesn't he also keep a bunch of tomatoes prisoner or am I confused.
mircea_popescu: no that's copineaple.
mircea_popescu: no relation.
copumpkin: :)
benkay: bwaaaaat
cads: mircea_popescu: I'm going to investigate the excuse don't worry :D
benkay: anyways, this malleability thing as mentioned above is not really a flaw, cads.
mircea_popescu: it's a feature!
benkay: the flaw is in people using the txid as a bookkeeping device which satoshi explicitly warned against iirc
pankkake: apparently there are easy improvements http://blog.oleganza.com/
mircea_popescu: like tits, they get cold and flop arouind and your nipples hurt and everything,
copumpkin: it's not ideal and the devs are trying to adjust it
mircea_popescu: but they're defo not a flaw.
mircea_popescu: benkay yeah he did.
mircea_popescu: course he did because block reorgs iirc.
benkay: prezactly.
copumpkin: so, on a more important note
copumpkin: cloud atlas.
copumpkin: worth watching or not?
copumpkin: I like the soundtrack
cads: who composes?
mircea_popescu: watch it abd blog about the experience, i never saw it.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the problem in Gox's case is they kept leading zeros in their signatures. Everyone else was like STFU that's dumb. Eventually some nodes started correcting this mistake.
mircea_popescu: ^ that'd be acurate.
mircea_popescu: mtgox was at least 5 times told to stop with the idiocy.
BingoBoingo: Cutting those zeros changed the txid though.
cads: copumpkin: You've got me piqued on the soundtrack
mircea_popescu: but apparently the php lolcat interpreter adds leading 0's to O RLY?/OIC blocks or something
copumpkin: cads: it's pretty good
cads: if a soundtrack is good I usually watch the movie
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well so far it is at least two mistakes on Gox's part leading zeros and txid as database primary key.
mircea_popescu: i dun buy it.
BingoBoingo: Well, then there is the third mistake, scam.
asciilifeform: re: tx issue: this is reminiscent of microshit's EXE signing. where you can append whatever to the signed turd and it still passes checksum.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 391 @ 0.00043898 = 0.1716 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Mark's face is shaped in such a way, I imagine, he imagines he can just hug away the scam.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 599 @ 0.00043899 = 0.263 BTC [+] {3}
cads: copumpkin: you're right, this is good
copumpkin: I'm a big fan of the tune in sonmi-451 meets chang, and the various times it recurs throughout the rest of the soundtrack
copumpkin: it picks up about halfway through
Bugpowder: Mark : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay_Puft_Marshmallow_Man
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the diference here being of course that you're not expected to run the whole turd
mircea_popescu: just the signed part.
Bugpowder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stay-puft-marshmallow-man.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right. you arrange to have the turd jumped to after sig check.
mircea_popescu: well yeah in ashell environment. not quite that much flexibility in bitcoin scrupting
mircea_popescu: one thing i can't for the fucking life of me understand is why on earth has nobody made an actual competing implementation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06799997 = 0.136 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there are > 450964509860954 copy/paste alt coins
mircea_popescu: yet nobody went "ok, the ideas are quite clear, let's do this then"
asciilifeform: copy/paste vs. actual thinking.
mircea_popescu: there are 5k universities proposing they have cs departments, which is a fraud
asciilifeform: as described by herr mold.
mircea_popescu: as in a sane world no uni with a cs department could have done anything else in 2013 as a term paper
Bugpowder: man, gox back down to where it started... what a derp
mircea_popescu: than "make a bitcoin implementation"
asciilifeform: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-wrong-with-cs-research.html
ozbot: Unqualified Reservations: What's wrong with CS research
mircea_popescu: forget research even you know ?
benkay: mircea_popescu: it's a goddamn shame that everyone's leaving it to the self-taught hacks
mircea_popescu: this'd have been anyone's term project if i were teaching.
mircea_popescu: benkay ikr?
benkay: mircea_popescu: cs departments are for research. mechanical and ee departments are apparently where you learn to actually weld shit together.
cads: shame and opportunity
Bugpowder: How to blow 1000BTC in under 5 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and i seriously do not understand what a rector must be thinking to not close down their cs department after this
cads: how fitting
copumpkin: not sure I'd say it was blown, Bugpowder
mircea_popescu: "what, you have not implemented bitcoin as a term project ? you're defunded. 100%"
benkay: yup.
asciilifeform: can't speak for other unis, the cs dept. i studied in was a vacuum cleaner for slurping up DOD moneys
mircea_popescu: fucking bs.
asciilifeform: that is its primary function, with the students as an afterthought (read: source of cheap labour)
benkay: most us unis i've been to are similarly oriented around hoovering up research + dod monies asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: we're fortunate to live in a world where nobody has any clear measuring stick to be able to measure exactly how tall the pile of shameful excrement they find themselves under is.
mircea_popescu: so they can go around pretending like they're things they could never be.
asciilifeform: perhaps vaccum cleaner is the wrong picture. more of an idiot with mouth open, catching raindrops.
mircea_popescu: "humanities" "professors" that have no idea what a college is and can not speak latin,
mircea_popescu: cs professors who failed to have the kids implement bitcoin in 2013
mircea_popescu: all the unspeakable depth of pitecantropic refuse
asciilifeform: give it another decade... we implemented 'sed'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe i'm blinded by zeal but seems to me sed is actually harder.
asciilifeform: 'yesterday's nobel prize is tomorrow's homework'
asciilifeform: sed is arguably harder.
cads: I'd love to see a haskell or agda implementation
mircea_popescu: bitcoin once explained by satoshi is not actually hard in any sense
asciilifeform: and is 'politically' safe.
mircea_popescu: merely gotta do the work.
mircea_popescu: which is what cs depts are for.
asciilifeform: implementing btc would be a little like having the mech eng. students build a working howitzer.
mircea_popescu: so ?
benkay: hah
mircea_popescu: i definitely would.
asciilifeform: arguably imperative, but we live in bizarroworld
benkay: more like a potato gun
mircea_popescu: da fuck mech engineer you are can't build a hovitzer
benkay: u want shells too sir?
jayk: hmmm
asciilifeform: obligatory link to the MIT lamp video!
mircea_popescu: benkay you don't have to make the shells actually do anything you know ?
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ
ozbot: MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube
mircea_popescu: a howitzer can fire blanks on the football field just fine
asciilifeform: correct.
benkay: sure but then you're not really putting the barrel through its paces are you?
mircea_popescu: or for that matter make it fire solid metal ordnance.
asciilifeform: (i once discovered that my uni used to have a rifle range. gone.)
mircea_popescu: at a wall or stack of sand bags or w/e
cads: mircea_popescu: sell some Coq nerds on the importance of implementing a formally verified blockchain algorithm and further specialization to a btc implementation :)
MisterE_: asciilifeform: is right, education is a business before all esle
mircea_popescu: cads know any ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most Land Grants had them back in the day.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00087607 = 12.1774 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: it's hilarious. they have people 'formally verify' DRM crud.
asciilifeform: glass bead game.
mircea_popescu: apparently pitecantropic is not an english word. odd.
cads: mircea_popescu: just acquaintances on irc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, reference to the "java man"
mircea_popescu: cads so send them over.
asciilifeform: try 'pithecantropic' ?
mircea_popescu: a ok
mircea_popescu: pithecanthropus
cads: oh, key, copumpkin is also a #coq regular
mircea_popescu: o ya definitely likes the c0q
copumpkin: cads: we've spoken in all sorts of different places :P
asciilifeform: re: c0qlovers and proof-of-whatever: a particularly egregious case of glass bead game.
asciilifeform: (as discussed in a turd of mine, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 and elsewhere)
benkay: glass bead game?
asciilifeform: attempts at 'transitioning from the informal to the formal by formal means'.
cads: asciilifeform: it's always been one great misgiving of mine whenever I read papers on large formally verified software projects
asciilifeform: (see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475)
cads: for example UC's Quark verified browser kernel or the NICTA's l4.verified project.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 797 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1976 BTC [+]
benkay: cads: what kind of factory worker reads about formal verification of large software projects?!
asciilifeform: the whole 'automated proofs' business is fundamentally turdalicious
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean as a hesse reference ?
asciilifeform: yes
cads: I appreciate that we can create a kernel of security properties and then prove it about our access control model, and then build the system on that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 703 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1743 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: it is an attempt to hide head in the sand, escape from the fact that the only way to guarantee expected function is: actual understanding
asciilifeform: by actual brains
benkay: you mean brians
asciilifeform: and this requires a 'bonfire of the' complexity.
cads: And I appreciate that this makes it /easier/ to avoid bugs - the only place a bug can now live is in the security properties you prove about your access model.
cads: And that's the part that hits my stomach with dread.
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: you can now have no bugs except that sort of bugs you'll never find
cads: Since /those/ bugs are embedded in philosophy
mircea_popescu: right
asciilifeform: or something as mundane as the hardware.
cads: But I'm optimistic since we can study the theory of what should constitute a correct and effective security property
asciilifeform: the entire field, giving its history and monetary incentives, is a poisonous offering. ☟︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02579995 = 0.258 BTC [-]
cads: It does feel like you're concentrating the bugs into a very rare and amazingly lucrative bug class
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: we aren't seeing proof in the mathematical sense. only (apologies to bush the lesser) - 'proofiness.'
asciilifeform: the idea that bugs are being banished anywhere by this obscurantist crap is nonsense.
asciilifeform: example, for the thick:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00087836 = 10.2768 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'ECC' memory is largely absent from consumer turdware. i wait for the box running your 'proofy' crap to be hit by cosmic ray.
cads: hmm, the verified software I've read about uses security properties which are proven via a formal proof assistant in a standard logic.
asciilifeform: suddenly not so verified any more.
asciilifeform: go ahead, prove anything useful about an x86 box where an arbitrary bit might flip.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06899996 = 1.104 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: (if cosmic rays are insufficient, someone might be so kind as to pump some ionizing strange through your server. or merely turn up the thermostat in the cage. etc.)
cads: fair enough, then even the most correct formally proven software should expect some faults due to underlying hardware.
cads: hm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899998 = 0.414 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: derp.
asciilifeform: of course, no need for such shenanigans if the box is already built of 'cooperative' iron.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06999998 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your dream of software that's unauditable by the user is getting closer and closer huh
asciilifeform: eh, it might as well be already
cads: asciilifeform: that brings us to study methods of invalidating the security properties by changing aspects of the substrate system that the security properties gloss over or assume by fiat.
cads: neat
asciilifeform: garden variety winblows box could busy a thousand auditors for a thousand years.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [+]
cads: We can always dream about strong encryption for state machine dynamics.
cads: Which could give us some padding between the software agent and untrusted underlying hardware.
asciilifeform: cads: exists (provably not in the general case, but for many particular cases, sure)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14385 @ 0.00087519 = 12.5896 BTC [-]
cads: right, currently it's amazingly inefficient and not general, and I also believe there are unfortunate theoretical limits to the power of any such approach
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: problem is (well, depending on how you look), the consumer is to be on the 'wrong end of the barrel' for this one.
cads: how so?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 68 @ 0.07 = 4.76 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: cads: look who is working on this, and why. or do i have to draw a picture.
cads: you may have to excuse my ignorance of the commercial or political side of this work
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00297 = 0.1069 BTC [+]
cads: I came up with the idea of encrypted computing when I was thinking how to design an autonomous AI agent that cannot ever have its state vector interrogated or partially simulated.
asciilifeform: turdware vendors are mightily annoyed that the occasional consumer, 'smarter than average rabbit', pries open and exposes their turdwork.
mircea_popescu: <cads> neat << good point actually.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00087843 = 3.4259 BTC [+] {2}
cads: So that if an adversary has captured the state vector they can only continue to simulate it faithfully
mircea_popescu: now that'd be interesting.
mircea_popescu: i'd like a mpex like thatr.
asciilifeform: cads: i reinvented the concept, as probably just about every maths student has, when first reading about Paillier's Addition and thinking 'what if you glue this to OISC - 'jump if zero' - machine.
cads: wow, nice
asciilifeform: no heroic feat here.
cads: right, I guess to jump from homomorphic encryption to obfuscated computation is a natural one.
asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paillier_cryptosystem
ozbot: Paillier cryptosystem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer
asciilifeform: one neglected aspect of homomorphic turdcraft (let's assume that it were possible and practical in some general-'enough' case! for the sake of argument) is:
asciilifeform: unless you are carrying out the compilation with paper and pencil,
asciilifeform: you are forever doomed to trust the mechanism whereby you generated the cryptoturd.
cads: okay, so in our Paillier OISC we'd use subtract and branch of != 0, or subtract and branch if <= 0.
asciilifeform: because the result can never be verified.
asciilifeform: (verified to do what you intended it to.)
cads: Only with pallier operations
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.005498 = 0.2749 BTC [+]
cads: wait how do we implement the order relation on the ciphertext version of the data
asciilifeform: cads: not so simple. you can't have the machine actually branch in any obvious sense
asciilifeform: or an observer could deduce logic
cads: right that would surely give the game away for most things
asciilifeform: incidentally
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06799997 = 0.136 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: wiki used to have a page on 'joseki' (not to be confused with the Go players' term)
Mats_cd03: Complicated technical gibbering, mundane, cryptodongs, etc
asciilifeform: nsa cryptosystem, circa 1980s. implied to function on this principle.
asciilifeform: page was zapped some time ago.
asciilifeform: (it was used in military firmware)
cads: http://cryptography.wikia.com/wiki/JOSEKI_%28cipher%29
ozbot: JOSEKI (cipher) - Crypto Wiki
asciilifeform: something like that
asciilifeform: if i recall
asciilifeform: maybe it was just my imagination.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00087767 = 18.7821 BTC [-]
benkay: http://brooklyn-dentists.com/wp-content/bitcoin-code/emacs-bitcoin.php
Mats_cd03: Big words followed by math things
asciilifeform: shannonizer?
asciilifeform: somebody ought to stoke one with this channel log.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19148 @ 0.00087854 = 16.8223 BTC [+]
benkay: amen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19099 @ 0.0008787 = 16.7823 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: and now for something completely different:
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/02/american-exceptionalism.html
ozbot: ClubOrlov: “American” exceptionalism
Mats_cd03: i belieb in american exceptionalism
benkay: Mats_cd03: are you on cocaine?
Mats_cd03: im high on life nigga
benkay: hm
mircea_popescu: lmao! so very different
benkay: well i bleed american capitalism
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema exceptionalismul personal
gribble: No matches found.
benkay: the old kind
mircea_popescu: eh gtfo google.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/exceptionalismul-personal/
ozbot: Exceptionalismul personal pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i do not make the mistake of positing it's romanian!
mircea_popescu: it's just stupiditarian.
Mats_cd03: american capitalism smells like fast food grease and dick cheese
Mats_cd03: not recommended for date night
benkay: these days certainly.
benkay: once upon a time it smelled like blood and money.
asciilifeform: if you're exceptionally lucky, it smells like the hangar where howard hughes farted in '72.
asciilifeform: but if you want a better smell, you'll need a time machine.
benkay: yeah. people were cool once.
Mats_cd03: i watched the aviator so yeah i can pretend like i know what youre talking about
TestingUnoDosTre: lies. when was that?
benkay: 1806-1859.
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cads: hmm
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mircea_popescu: people were cool from circa 1600 to about ww1.
mircea_popescu: then orwell's bugmen took over.
benkay: orwell's responsible for modern socialism?
asciilifeform: mr. o blamed the telegraph
mircea_popescu: no, but he described the type.
asciilifeform: (bugmen like central admin.)
cads: so joseki is a two part encryption decryption function E, D such that in some sense "the encryption algorithm is not the same as, and cannot be deduced from, the decryption algorithm."
mircea_popescu: makes this observation how the only sort of people who seem to trive in his dystopia are bug-like
mircea_popescu: short stubbly crab-like in movements etc.
benkay: ;;calc 59.7639 + 14.2174
gribble: 73.9813
cads: You can decrypt the existing operating system.
cads: To do that you read the bootstrap key.
cads: But once doing that, say you want to alter the code. You can't do that.
cads: For you cannot re-encrypt the code.
asciilifeform: implication is that this achieved something more than one can get by merely hashing & signing code.
cads: there's a million ways to subvert either
cads: just burn some of the traces on the bootstrap chip and suddenly it loads your unencrypted code just fine
asciilifeform: "On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunburnt, carefree - existed and ☟︎
asciilifeform: even predominated. Actually, so far as he could judge, the majority of people in Airstrip One were small, dark, and ill-favoured. It was curious how that beetle-like type proliferated in the Ministries: little dumpy men, growing stout very early in life, with short legs, swift scuttling movements, and fat inscrutable faces with very small eyes. It was the type that seemed to flourish best under the dominion of
asciilifeform: the Party."
asciilifeform: ('1984')
mircea_popescu: ty.
cads: ... assuming you have a scanning tunneling electron microscope lying around.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> implication is that this achieved something more than one can get by merely hashing & signing code. << fwiw i don't believe it does or could.
asciilifeform: cads: J. was devised for some unknown, godforsaken 1980s silicon. perhaps it sat the decryptor between the memory bus and cpu proper
Jere_Jones: How does an exchange that implements stop losses prevent a large order from crashing the market? If a large order comes in and wipes out the orderbook past serveral stop losses, those sells get executed after the large order right? They don't get interwoven with the large order? Interwoven seems harder to do and/or incorrect and/or unethical. That means that a stop loss can't actually
Jere_Jones: stop a loss if the market is relatively shallow. Am I misunderstanding something?
mircea_popescu: stop losses are usually offered as a best-effort thing, not as a guarantee
mircea_popescu: even in serious markets.
benkay: is there a ranking of purely crypto exchanges by vol?
Jere_Jones: And they do get executed after the order that dropped the price? Not interwoven?
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "interwoven"
mircea_popescu: that's why blocks are blocks.
Jere_Jones: Didn't think so. Thanks.
mircea_popescu: course, god knows what btc webmasters do.
mircea_popescu: but if you "interwoven" on nyse the sec will put your head on a pike on columbus ave.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: angels/pinhead, etc. one could easily picture something clever (block cipher allowing direct execution of crypted instructions, without an intermediate buffer for mass decrypt) or something foolish.
Jere_Jones: That sounds less than pleasant.
asciilifeform: we'll know when an american Mitrohin or Rezun lifts the specs.
cads: asciilifeform: in that case couldn't we say the same of hashing? Although I admit. Putting the decryptor somewhere in the main flow of the system has panache, and I wouldn't be surprised if a similar approach hashing is a lot less natural.
benkay: ;;calc 74*600
gribble: 44400
asciilifeform: cads: idea probably was, you'd like to block-cipher the blob, but don't want to send a symmetric key (however contained) into the field.
cads: right
asciilifeform: so you want something opposite to 'rsa'
asciilifeform: (where 'anyone enciphers, only one reads')
asciilifeform: exercise for alert reader!
cads: ;)
asciilifeform: deduce a working 'joseki'-like cryptosystem.
asciilifeform: (undergrad level problem.)
benkay: dang asciilifeform you're a taskmaster
asciilifeform: not like this is hard or anything.
benkay: well hey some of us are unversed. you have depth in it.
cads: asciilifeform: I'm confused as to the sense in which the encryption algorithm cannot be derived from the encryption algorithm
asciilifeform: decryption?
cads: righ
cads: is this to say the encryption _key_, can not be derived from the decryption key?
asciilifeform: not so hard.
asciilifeform: you have turds of a certain number-theoretical variety, that turn into plaintext when subjected to function F. F(turd) = plain. but you don't know F'(plain) = turd.
cads: typically the decryption key allows us to derive the encryption key via number theoretic properties
asciilifeform: cads: with some 'hardness assumption' in the way of practically accomplishing this, yes.
asciilifeform: but one could conceive of F' being the key itself
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asciilifeform: bureaucrats probably came in their pants, they hate the chore of key distribution, etc
cads: oh hey
cads: anyone wanna see women cumming while reading books?
cads: like, actual passages of cool literature like clockwork orange, sitting fully dressed at a table, while something undeniable is going on /under/ the table
asciilifeform: old hat.
cads: ah, saw it already?
cads: http://hystericalliterature.com/stoya/
cads: I thought it was really cute
cads: I liked the essays too
cads: I felt a bit too vouyeristic while watching to watch all of them, but it was enjoyable
mircea_popescu: sooo, anyone know a native chinese speaker ?
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: why
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mircea_popescu: because we have no resident chinese expert.
mircea_popescu: who ?
asciilifeform: colleague
mircea_popescu: so get him to come over!
asciilifeform: i'll poke him when i visit him on tuesday.
mircea_popescu: coolness.
asciilifeform: benkay: under no circumstances should i be confused with an actual expert on crypto
asciilifeform: but the practical application of the known building blocks is quite trivial.
asciilifeform: (somewhat less trivial if you want actual security, rather than a passing exam score, however)
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cads: anyways - asciilifeform I understand that. Ie, say we have two functions F and G such that G(F(x)) = x and F(x) is in some sense independent of x. Then (F, G) is a basic kind of cryptosystem, where F is the encryption function and G is the decryption function. For us not to be able to derive F from G, G must be infeasible to invert. I believe F can be encryption with a public key (which in this case the designer will keep public),
cads: and G is decryption with the corresponding private key (which is included on the chip). It's a bit of an inversion of control of the intention of public key systems but it works for our purpose.
cads: The only detail I am not sure is about the private -> public derivability of the keys.
cads: I know bitcoin's scheme allows us to derive a public key from the private one, and that this is actually not typical.
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cads: asciilifeform: you say that we want the 'opposite' of rsa (public decrypt, private encrypt), but... this is just the same as giving the public the private key and keeping the public one secret.
benkay: thanks for that cads. babe and i just watched stoya's. a+
cads: wasn't it /amazing/?!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
benkay: of course the woman's response is "i hate the essay!"
benkay: wtf not the point
benkay: maybe the point
benkay: everything's part of the point i suppose
cads: I liked stoya's own account
asciilifeform: cads: nope.
asciilifeform: having private P,Q you can P*Q and get public.
asciilifeform: what kind of exercise would this be if the answer involved only this.
mircea_popescu: benkay stoya, the whore ?!
benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ZL8HXbHQo
ozbot: This Empty Love - InnerPartySystem - YouTube
mircea_popescu: aok
cads: mircea_popescu: you must watch this: http://hystericalliterature.com/stoya/
cads: "Hysterical Literature is a video art series by NYC-based photographer and filmmaker Clayton Cubitt. It explores feminism, mind/body dualism, distraction portraiture, and the contrast between culture and sexuality. (It's also just really fun to watch.) "
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9fgmrL08p1qdleaio1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: the other stoya.
cads: I'm questioning the feminist merit if only because I still enjoyed the work with a very male gaze :D
benkay: maybe the same stoya?
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cads: no, absolutely the same stoya
benkay: mircea_popescu: you're missing out on all sorts of context not at least sampling videos
mircea_popescu: i'll live
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbw3j2tj2f1rqgfmbo1_500.gif
cads: mircea_popescu: the idea is that an unpaid woman sits at a table and opens up a famous literary work she chose, begins to read a key passage, starts having and orgasm, continues trying to read, climaxes, and then closes the book and says "I'm ____ and this has been moby dick"
mircea_popescu: i'd guess about 35% of adult females can actually orgasm in the situation described.
mircea_popescu: but! that said orgasm distraction is certanly a fun game.
cads: Unseen under the table the photographer's lovely assistant is working away with the apparently supernaturally effect hitachi vibrator.
benkay: !t h rent
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mircea_popescu: even so.
cads: right
cads: it takes dedication to do that
cads: The first volunteer is stoya the porn star
benkay: btw that mpex trade, like 74 btc?
benkay: just about a third of the rentalstarter ipo.
cads: we know she knows how to cum
asciilifeform: they make remote-controlled instruments for this kind of work.
mircea_popescu: she fakes it lots of times you know
cads: but the other volunteers are women that work in the arts
asciilifeform: wireless.
cads: one of the women is a museum curator
asciilifeform: long gone are the days when a bottle of bees was the state of the art.
cads: and in their essays it's clear they feel they are helping make sexuality a less dirty, less manipulated thing
mircea_popescu: i wonder if giving these chicks a book and asking them to read is a legit pick-up now.
benkay: bahaha
benkay: oh you
mircea_popescu: "hello"
mircea_popescu: "hi ?"
mircea_popescu: "i saw you on the internet. so here's le diable et le bon dieu, read for me."
cads: ah, the other thing
cads: despite being arguably non-pornographic (hosted, as it was, on youtube), the 9 videos in the series got 20 million views
mircea_popescu: that matters.
cads: mixed reviews from the critics alternately called it an awesome work of feminism and art, or skeptically denounced it as 'porn, not art'.
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asciilifeform: russian sf author / madman viktor pelevin had a piece where, in the Dark Future (tm) all other types of porn vanish, and only this remains ☟︎
asciilifeform: ending up called 'DERP', or 'derivative porn'
asciilifeform: age of consent raised to 46, so all ordinary porn is forbidden
asciilifeform: and so what remains is 'porn' with films of the censor's faces
asciilifeform: viewing the forbidden.
cads: wait were the faces edited over the actors'
mircea_popescu: cads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBlgSz8sSM << 660mn views.
asciilifeform: people then frequent quasi-illicit Derp viewings.
mircea_popescu: i could continue but w/e.
cads: mircea_popescu: Bahaha.
cads: I'll leave it up to you to decide what type of logical fallacy you made by throwing Charlie Bit My Finger against the work of a singe avant garde fetish photographer. :D
asciilifeform: cads: in the tale? nope. just censors viewing That Which Is To Be Deleted
asciilifeform: and grimacing suggestively
asciilifeform: at least, as i recall.
mircea_popescu: cads no, you did. "the 9 videos in the series got 20 million views"
mircea_popescu: i merely showed how that idiocy reduces to the absurd.
cads: An average of 2 million views per video is an impressive metric for an internet personality.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a "view" and consequently nohing there to count.
asciilifeform: recently saw a winblows trojan turd which loaded some unknown porn vid
mircea_popescu: and hence nothing impressive in it.
asciilifeform: (primitive 'click fraud')
cads: mircea_popescu is not impressed, guys
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cads: For the agents in an attention economy, those are important metrics.
mircea_popescu: nono, i'm impressed, deeply, just, there's nothing there to be impressive k ?
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as an attention econonmy.
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cads: Okay, so lets start at the bottom. The claim there are no youtube views. Youtube clearly provides analytics on the number of visitors to a page. So are we saying these numbers are fabricated by youtube or third part 'view providers? Or that youtube views don't actually record how much attention someone payed to a video, whether they really watched it, etc.
mircea_popescu: cads i can make a webpage publishing arbitrary numbers.
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mircea_popescu: in fact back in the lycos/infoseek/geocities days most everyone did.
cads: In the second and first cases I would point out that marketing companies trust view statistics.
cads: So people pay for views and they're real.
mircea_popescu: marketing companies do not trust view statisticsa,
mircea_popescu: they simply use that particular bezzle to defraud whoever's so inclined.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing particularly wrong with being a fraudster, i guess, until you end up believing your own crap.
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mircea_popescu: all this aside : putting "views" next to a number does not transform the number into a measure
asciilifeform: cads: pick up one of google's '$100 off' coupons and see for yourself what it is the chumps pay for
cads: right, we must trust the entity measuring the views and the method of measuring them.
mircea_popescu: nor are you at liberty to imagine the symbol views denotes whatever definition you may happen to allocate it.
mircea_popescu: first and foremost we must agree these "views" are a thing.
mircea_popescu: you can only measure that which is thing.
cads: okay
cads: so with multiple servers serving the same content it becomes a nontrivial task to syncronize the correct number, first
mircea_popescu: all this dovetails neatly, of course, into our earlier kabbalah discussion,
mircea_popescu: but i would like to add the observation that according to the 1800s crowd, patent medicine was actually useful, actually valuable and actually working.
asciilifeform: for some reason, i can't help but remember the american moneyed idiot who proclaimed that tv watchers who get up to piss during ads are committing fraud.
mircea_popescu: and its forbidding a serious abuse of the state power against individual sovereignity
mircea_popescu: a view which is actulaly getting a slight resurgence these days.
mircea_popescu: (promoted by interested parties, of course, which is to say scammors)
asciilifeform: hell, it actually worked - with opium in every bottle
mircea_popescu: opium provides no health benefits tho
asciilifeform: arguably a better deal than what today's hucksters are pushing, regardless
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
mircea_popescu: very much depends on what you're buying,.
mircea_popescu: much like say, closer to home, silicone.
mircea_popescu: you can get excellent chips
mircea_popescu: or you could get crud.
asciilifeform: can't resist pointing out that, at least on this side of the atlantic, 'silicone' refers exclusively to the type of rubber sold under that name
mircea_popescu: now the people who have no idea about electronics regularly buy whatever someone;s telling them to.
cads: mircea_popescu: at some level I feel you are saying that it absolutely does not matter that people spent an estimated 34 million minutes looking at this single artist's work, if only because we can't trust those estimates at all.
mircea_popescu: a sorry.
mircea_popescu: cads that is a slightly different discussion, and in no way related to "views".
asciilifeform: naggum's 4-ring binders
asciilifeform: 'lemon car' theorem, etc.
mircea_popescu: and that different discussion i will appoach from the following different angle :
mircea_popescu: would you consider more important the mona lisa or an equally large, equally well made unknown painting certainly made by da vinci ?
asciilifeform: cads: even a rookie spammer can easily arrange a million 'views' of whatever.
mircea_popescu: the mona lisa people have spenbt 45804958609458609458609845045809845 minutes watching.
mircea_popescu: this unknow painting, 845.
mircea_popescu: which is the more important ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck sits in museums with a clicker doing cezanne vs caravaggio minutemanview competition ?
mircea_popescu: why not compare movies by the gross weight of tit watching them ?
cads: in the landscape of the possible human experience time is the only scarce resource, so if in /this/ universe people have spent more time experiencing the first art work, then I am willing to say this is more "important"
mircea_popescu: the oscars this year totals films watched by 48599 tons of tit fat.
mircea_popescu: so if i were to give you one of the two, you'd pick the mona lisa ?
asciilifeform: reason i mentioned google's widget, is that the chumps pay manyfold for 'conversions' (term of art)
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asciilifeform: i.e. 'victims' who do not merely click the ad, but go on to buy something
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would time be a scarce resource anyway.
asciilifeform: the type of fool that pays for mere click is not entirely extinct, however.
mircea_popescu: the people who do views have nothing else to do with their time
mircea_popescu: that's why they're there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform slowly dieing out, like the email spammer.
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cads: mircea_popescu: I'm merely saying one work has influenced far more human experience, thoughts, and ultimately economic action.
mircea_popescu: maybe it has.
mircea_popescu: except the point of art is that it doesn't work like commerce.
mircea_popescu: maybe the unseen painting also has. for what we know...
cads: art works like a popularity contest
mircea_popescu: naw.
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema what is art
gribble: What is art ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/>; Art over time, a graph of progress. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/art-over-time-a-graph-of-progress/>; WhoMerLock :: A Trio of Trilemmas by GMYuna on deviantART: <http://gmyuna.deviantart.com/art/WhoMerLock-A-Trio-of-Trilemmas-424265034>
mircea_popescu: i need a ;;trilema
mircea_popescu: ffs this thing sucks.
cads: not a competition of provision of real valued, but a competition to earn human sentiment
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/
ozbot: What is art ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: there, share it with the feminists, it'll make them like me, much to their detriment.
cads: I'm not going to argue what is art, I'm interested in how artists earn money, and I'm having a hard time believing that the amount of money that an artist earns does not _strongly_ correlate with the amount of attention that others give him.
cads: how can that claim be sustained?
cads: okay
mircea_popescu: the amount an artist earns strictly correlates with how powerful his lord is
mircea_popescu: and how well he serves him.
mircea_popescu: s'all.
cads: I can think of many artists that make livings working in larger studios
cads: for commercial work - entertainment, marketing, design
mircea_popescu: i can think of many ways people structure deals to avoid tax.
cads: these artists do /not/ recieve attention
mircea_popescu: yes they do, it's just not nominalized.
cads: and they in fact do better than artists that try to make their living purely on their art
mircea_popescu: the ronin ":artist" is merely a rebellious peasant.
cads: which would seem to sustain the claim that earning do not correlate to attention
mircea_popescu: no matter how he tries to fake the pretense of being an actual artist.
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Namworld: ;;premium mtgox bitstamp
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Namworld: This is the best thing ever...
Namworld: +25% to under -50%
cads: I think that's very cynical, and more of a moral issue.. do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to try to make a living as an artist?
mircea_popescu: i think it's confused.
cads: Stupid? Patently.
mircea_popescu: do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to make a living as an electric engineer specialised in pottery ?
cads: Sure
mircea_popescu: or a word mathematician ?
mircea_popescu: (like, say, a kabbalist)
cads: what the fuck are you doing with yourself then :D
mircea_popescu: it's ridiculously misguided.
mircea_popescu: lol
Namworld: What's the issue with someone making a living as an artist?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to read teh log, argument started centuries ago.
Namworld: I must be missing something.
cads: Expected ROI
cads: for one.
asciilifeform: reduces to a search for the right moneyed fool (e.g. reportedly, kabbalists do find employment in israel)
mircea_popescu: cads picture a chick showing up to the sky olympics with toothpics for sticks.
Namworld: Oh... well I guess few makes it.
Namworld: But "artist" encompass a lot of people and careers...
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the john is not a fool, he's buying something for his money.
cads: okay, so I understand, kabbalists and artists are our public enemy so lets not be impressed with them
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH56xkdUwmM
ozbot: Pulp Fiction Bad Mother wallet restaurant scene Jules - YouTube
mircea_popescu: eh you understand nothing!
cads: in the same sense that we must never expound the virtues of a song about selling crack
mircea_popescu: bah fucking youtube.
cads: even if it is awesome and has done interesting things in the market :D
Namworld: Artists are our public enemy?
Namworld: What?
cads: I was being facetious.
cads: I want to talk about the econmics of how artists earn their sentiment, and we seem to feel that artists deserve only shitty sentiment because they're shysters that troll for a handout.
cads: And "click, whirr" the automatic thoughts now prevent us from applying economic modelling to this agent class
Namworld: earn their sentiment?
mircea_popescu: "jules, you give that fucking nimrod fifteen hundred dollars i'll shoot him on general principle" "now... I ain't giving it to him Vincent. I'm buyin' something for my money. Wanna know what I'm buyin' Ringo ?
mircea_popescu: "What ?"
mircea_popescu: "Your life."
mircea_popescu: bout it.
MisterE: poetry
mircea_popescu: cads you have no modelling, there is no economy and no sentiment. fugeddaboutit.
Namworld: What is going on here?
MisterE: we're just about to bring in the gimp I think
mircea_popescu: nah we already had the gimp
mircea_popescu: he's off building an exchange.
cads: hehe, this is how mircea_popescu and I say "I love you"
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cads: haha, and I'm basically arguing that we can make human attention fungible and this is a horror scenario because that means the marketing firms win.
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: you are arguing that people are interchangeable, which is broken in the way socialism generally is broken.
mircea_popescu: nothing human is fungible.
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Namworld: We can? What?
mircea_popescu: only the inhuman parts are fungible.
mircea_popescu: this is how you know you are not your liver.
mircea_popescu: that said, you can infinitely confuse yourself with "newer" and "never" repackagings of but wait look! i have built a perpetuum mobile, i have redressed socialism so now it works etc.
mircea_popescu: i have no objection to the activity, but it doth amuse on one hand and fail to entice o nthe other.
Namworld: I'm pretty sure my humans aren't fungible. Some of my subjects are worth more. They'd cost you more for me to be willing to depart with them.
cads: Suppose I have attempted to construct a system where my clients can pay well defined amounts of money to predictably add and remove beliefs from a group of people. It's worked - I've both started and ended revolutions, political movements, market crazes... in a number of countries.
mircea_popescu: okay.
mircea_popescu: Namworld better go searching for moistened bints.
Namworld: That is a valid alternative.
cads: ehh, that scenario is too imaginary
mircea_popescu: lol caught yourself in your own web huh.
cads: the scenario is too tacky to think about :D
ThickAsThieves: catching up on log, but cads, Cloud Atlas was pretty lame
mircea_popescu: stop repressing him
mircea_popescu: he's like... trying to sniff emancipated, unshaven cunt
asciilifeform: cloud atlas! another cheap sf flick with the bomb collars!
asciilifeform: always the bomb collars.
asciilifeform: hollywood seems to love them.
cads: ah, warn copumpkin
copumpkin: watching it now
copumpkin: ssh
cads: the man has committed
mircea_popescu: you ssh ing into a film ?!
copumpkin: yeah, I have an ascii art video player
asciilifeform: ssh -X
copumpkin: works fine if you configure your terminal correctly
copumpkin: no
cads: hehe mircea_popescu you
copumpkin: not enough bandwidth for X forwarding of video
mircea_popescu: "easy to use if you know what you are doing"
cads: 're an ass :D
copumpkin: cads: you're just now realizing?
cads: course not!
copumpkin: the guy's internet famous for it
copumpkin: :)
mircea_popescu: he's only now started the sniffing.
mircea_popescu: pubertee :D
copumpkin: hah
copumpkin: anyway, back to movie
copumpkin: this thing isn't going to watch itself
mircea_popescu: buy a cozy and a ceramic bracelet on etzy while at it.
mircea_popescu: feed a starving virgin!
asciilifeform: it's a 'good bad film.' i recommend it.
mircea_popescu: i just realised we could make a pretty decent -assets mockumentary
asciilifeform: (in the sense of mr. o's essay on 'good bad books')
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cads: mircea_popescu: I will remember that people can make you reject any economic theory simply by saying the word "feminism" 10 minutes before presenting it :D
mircea_popescu: im the foremost feminist here, i'll have you know.
mircea_popescu: (no trollo)
chetty: ppffttt
cads: not a surprise for a slave master to be the feminist of an internet bunch :D
B007: I got accused of being a feminist only once. By a girl.
chetty: current definition of term 'feminist' makes it an insult ya know :P
cads: I like some feminist stuff but I also like knockers
cads: in america at least, dudes that call themselves feminists are mostly women hating bro creeps hiding behind the label
mircea_popescu: srsly ?
cads: yeah it became a thing
mircea_popescu: i thought us male feminists were mostly... you know, dudes that can't otherwise date.
mircea_popescu: shy marginally autistic repressed twentysomethings.
cads: right it has become rapey bros
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cads: hey I'm a shy marginally autistic repressed twentysomething!
cads: what are ya getting at! :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm the sort of feminist that torns irigaray to shreds because she's too stupid to live and gives a bad name to the entire thing.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like amir taaki.
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cads: there's this neat defense
cads: "It wasn't rape. I'm a feminist"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11840 @ 0.00087647 = 10.3774 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how does that work ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to help this discussion along,
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ulqxAlJW1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
cads: a man will rape a woman and then claim what happened could not have been rape. He's a feminist.
cads: He's so hurt now.
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: this is bizarre.
cads: He loves women. He's DONE things for the cause. How can this cunt thing he fucking raped her?
cads: think*
mircea_popescu: would this be one of those ambiguous episode kids get involved in that are currently mislabeled as "rape" in the us ?
mircea_popescu: such as get drunk at party, fuck, don't remember much in the morning ?
B007: lol
B007: no
nicknock_: well if you feel regret you can always dump a rape charge at the guy
nicknock_: the female option
cads: mircea_popescu: http://kieselaymon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tumblr_lsslmrbk001r4vn34o1_500.jpg
KRS-One: .bait
mircea_popescu: ajajaa
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/9c166611571c2fb0c370a201ed468f1f/tumblr_myr1ixjviu1smfwvpo1_500.jpg
cads: mircea_popescu: hey, cute pic, if I cross my eyes I can almost see her in 3d :D
mircea_popescu: is "gender is a social construct" supposed to excuse her lack of heels or something ?
mircea_popescu: cads yeah the grandiose photochop job is better than the girl.
BingoBoingo: Oh, happy birthday to me!
mircea_popescu: for his a bingo good booingo!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1000 @ 0.0002 = 0.2 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I still have to decide what to get myself.
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcsfl6nH4i1reu145o1_500.gif ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe? I'll probably just get myself some scotch.
BingoBoingo: Or some nice wool socks.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu>buy a cozy and a ceramic bracelet on etzy while at it.
mircea_popescu: i will never know why they eschewed naming the thing chintzy
chetty: actually rape is a social construct then - no gender = no rape :P
cazalla: check yo priviledge
mircea_popescu: no woman no cry
cazalla: privilege even
BingoBoingo: Chintzy might be a good name for a BTC etsy.
mircea_popescu: guy walks into a bank "hell-o, i'd like to open a checking account"
mircea_popescu: "what for ? you look like one of those bums with delusions of academia"
mircea_popescu: "nevertheless, i would like to check my privilege"
cads: "Lack game? Try this formula: mention x feminist theorist, y lamentation about political issue that attacks women’s rights, z assertion about sexual consent. That tactic alone may work on someone, and that’s utterly scary."
cads: bahaha
cads: also this
cads: "In my ideal world, the misogynists would be ultra-detectable, with facial pocks and sulfury odors and grunt “wiggle your glazed donut ass for me.” "
mircea_popescu: da fuck.
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mircea_popescu: so if i make girls twerk i'm a mysogynist ?
mircea_popescu: nm, Minh Nguyen fails to be hot and therefore her rambling is irrelephant.
cads: hehe, you are a parody of yourself :)
mircea_popescu: this is how you know i'm a feminist!
mircea_popescu: um wait...
cads: the universe has a human parody operator and you are its fixpoint :)
mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
cads: I feel for what she says, and I think she's naive in only one thing
cads: her two male paradongs of perfect sexism free maleness
cads: do not exist
mircea_popescu: if i were surounded by douchy us twennysomething as a woman young enough to wish to get laid... frankly i dunno i'd find the time to write
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mircea_popescu: what with all the reload flamethrower, throw away empty fuel cartridge, reload flamethrower...
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves, Bunnyh just got email from Luke-Jr, patch seems good, hope it helps
mircea_popescu: this however has nothing to do with sexism, feminism, cultural, social, constructs and so forth.
cads: btw who is the originator of the social construct BS?
mircea_popescu: cads saussure, probably.
cads: it's... essentially right but leads people to conclude what is merely a social construct doesn't actually exist so it should be possible in /theory/ to completely dispell that what was a construct.
cads: with another construct
cads: presumably
mircea_popescu: nah that's not it.
cads: but more often with "the truth", at least if you dig at it.
mircea_popescu: it leads people to imagine that it was "constructed", which is a pedestrian interpretation of the term of art,
mircea_popescu: and thus simultaneously casts blame, upon the politically convenient targets of ostracism (ie, actual males, actual females, anyone not fucktarded)
cads: right, the builders
mircea_popescu: and offers a seeming basis for further nuttery (ie, that a "better" construct could be constructed. on etsy.)
mircea_popescu: it's really just a slightly more iq-amped way of being emo.
mircea_popescu: on re-read we don;t disagree.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the entirety of what passes for "social sciences" in the us these days can broadly be divided without remained into the emo ("i am special because i am chiefly only interested in myself and let me tell you about myself which is important because i am special bla bla bla")
mircea_popescu: and goffy, which is "look at all the neat shit i don't understand that i've randomly collected mostly by breaking old stuff apart with a hammer"
cads: and the creepy, "look we can predict crimes before they happen by monitoring unsent drafts on facebook"
mircea_popescu: one of the funniest things to watch is a goffy and an emo chick being interested in the same dood.
cazalla: where do you see that
mircea_popescu: used to be the only attraction of livejournal.
cads: cazalla: you DON'T see that
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mircea_popescu: (which was fb before fb)
cads: but you know it's there
cazalla: i use to have an LJ back in the day :P
mircea_popescu: i never did but i read some of my slaves' ljs from back in the day
mircea_popescu: mucho humiliatory.
cazalla: met a girl on there, thought she would have sex with me if i made an LJ too, gee how naive
mircea_popescu: also quite instructive for me.
benkay: what did you learn?
cads: jesus why the fuck can't we have distributed publicly owned web service assets?!
cads: People use LJ for private journals because it has privacy controls
mircea_popescu: benkay just enriched my personal sottisier.
cads: till their incompetent IT department leaks the firm's key hash database
benkay: wow pankkake venus is some brilliance
benkay: holy fucknuggets venus is illmatic
benkay: makes me want to run my own aggregation channel
benkay: or curate a republication of a bunch of feeds
benkay: no no no kid focus focus kid there are far more important things
mircea_popescu: what venus ?
benkay: http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/
ozbot: Planet Venus source code
benkay: rss thinger
benkay: slash other stuff
benkay: probably sucks
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benkay: but man you know what else sucks? my rss story.
benkay: solution is not to implement venus actually but to fix rss in emacs
benkay: which i totally have time to and will do in the next decade
benkay: *flips table*
benkay: i'm going to go design a thing. computers suck.
mircea_popescu: oic
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mircea_popescu: anyone care to help me build a sorted list of politically incorrect english words ?
mircea_popescu: nigger > faggot right ?
ThickAsThieves: greater at what?
mircea_popescu: at incorectness
ThickAsThieves: yeah
mircea_popescu: fatty next ? or anything before that ?
ThickAsThieves: this would take forever
mircea_popescu: i just need like the top 10
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: 5, something.
ThickAsThieves: cunt
mircea_popescu: cunt is not politically incorrect is it ?!
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ThickAsThieves: wtf is p i tho?
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: ok. hurtful.
mircea_popescu: the most HURTFUL words!
ThickAsThieves: i'm drawing a blank
ThickAsThieves: must be in a kind mood
mircea_popescu: my powem ;/
ThickAsThieves: slut?
ThickAsThieves: sandnigger?
dub: interseting problem
ThickAsThieves: mouthbreather?
dub: as a nigger I don't find it offensive, not a faggot so hard to judge
mircea_popescu: http://prototoast.blogspot.ro/2010/07/two-most-hurtful-words-in-english.html
ozbot: Blog-Mahoney: The two most hurtful words in the English language
mircea_popescu: god damned.
mircea_popescu: dub you're black now ?!
dub: since birth in fact
ThickAsThieves: that blog is retarded
ThickAsThieves: retard!
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
mircea_popescu: o yeah retard. ty.
ThickAsThieves: dyke?
ThickAsThieves: rugmuncher?
ThickAsThieves: jew?
ThickAsThieves: greenhorn can be pretty insulting
mircea_popescu: jew is fine isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: should be something with the holocaust tho
mircea_popescu: maybe hebe ?
BingoBoingo: Kike
ThickAsThieves: slant
benkay: programmer
BingoBoingo: Gook
ThickAsThieves: thug, it's the new nigger
mircea_popescu: ahaha programmer
mircea_popescu: i wonder if hacker ever makes this list.
mircea_popescu: "don't be callin ma momma a hacker yo!"
ThickAsThieves: what hacker wants to be called a hacker?
BingoBoingo: Dago, potatonigger, Guido
ThickAsThieves: other than the pretender kind
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo its not that i want a long or exhaustive list,
mircea_popescu: i want it sorted. the internet is full of ambigfuous list. i want to see the fucking impolite middle class.
ThickAsThieves: my dad had a pretty bad word for nigger in portuguese
Duffer1: race based are some of the most loaded atm
ThickAsThieves: prete or something
ThickAsThieves: burnt piece of wood
chetty: I don't think it can be done, hurt is very sujective
Duffer1: especially those regarding black people and mexicans
ThickAsThieves: spic
BingoBoingo: Wetback, beaner
ThickAsThieves: i like beaner
ThickAsThieves: if i were mexican id take it
ThickAsThieves: wop
chetty: haha 'commie', long ago. Now I think its a compliment
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves maybe you could be a faux mexican
ThickAsThieves: its a running joke with the father in law
ThickAsThieves: cuz he's a redneck who cant tell the difference
ThickAsThieves: so i tell him to call me carlos
benkay: i use commie as an insult. it confuses people.
ThickAsThieves: "Gypped" is arguably the most commonly used racist term in existence today.
mircea_popescu: benkay it's always nice to yell when joining a large group "You pinko commie bastards!!!" with lively excitement
BingoBoingo: Some are more and less offensive on different sides of the atlantic. Spaz is fine in 'Murica and a Offensive in Britain. Cunt is the reverse (except when dealing with slants as a full rotation is out of the picture)
mircea_popescu: those 5 seconds while they try to decide if you're about to mow them down or it's a really funny joke are priceless.
benkay: yeah plus you get such great intel about all of them from their reactions i bet
ThickAsThieves: orgasm is pretty offensive to a lot of people
ThickAsThieves: many sex words
mircea_popescu: ya but those are all women
mircea_popescu: who cares.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: In these parts I actually hear Jew'd about as often as Gyp'd
ThickAsThieves: yeah i think more people use gyp cuz they arent quite sure if its an insult
ThickAsThieves: whereas jew'd is pretty obv
ThickAsThieves: "guinea-rigged"
BingoBoingo: I almost forgot Guinea was a slur, fucking I-talians
mircea_popescu: guinea is a slur ?
ThickAsThieves: yeah, like wop
mircea_popescu: but it's a country name.
ThickAsThieves: its assoc with italians for some reason
mircea_popescu: ;;google guinea-bissau
gribble: Guinea-Bissau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea-Bissau>; Guinea-Bissau - Central Intelligence Agency: <https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pu.html>; BBC News - Guinea-Bissau profile - Overview: <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13443186>
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's another nigger word
ThickAsThieves: i havent heard it since i was a kidf
ThickAsThieves: from my dad of course
ThickAsThieves: i'm beginning to understand why i like rap so much
BingoBoingo: "Q: What do you call an Italian homosexual? A: A Guinea cocksucker." http://books.google.com/books?id=ZgN0XECF5U0C&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=Guinea+jokes+italian&source=bl&ots=GgC_l5FM1D&sig=qPk8jkJ4dS4QnzzQ0OMKSB3y-_M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OGcAU8HJAeLmyQHXuoG4BQ&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Guinea%20jokes%20italian&f=false
mircea_popescu: you like rap, dub likes dubstep, everyone with his own thing.
BingoBoingo: They even use guinea as a slur in The Godfather.
ThickAsThieves: italians probly got slaves from there
mircea_popescu: they were french colonies tho
mircea_popescu: and italians didn't use slaves really
BingoBoingo: Maybe the French weren't big fans of the Dagos.
mircea_popescu: except the sicilians have to this day a female slavery programme goin
ThickAsThieves: did they ship slaves tho?
mircea_popescu: only to the moors.
mircea_popescu: (fun fact : before the dutch started paying better, the black people were exporting slaves exclusively east, to yemen and other arabs)
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: not sure you're involvement, but the change herbijudlestoids mentioned is merged now
Luke-Jr: your*
ThickAsThieves: my ancestors probly played a decent role in all that, being azorean
ThickAsThieves: word
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_moor
ozbot: Black Moor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
benkay: sicilian female slavery??
ThickAsThieves: "Tina Maze of Slovenia and Dominique Gisin of Switzerland finished the women's downhill event with the exact same time"
ThickAsThieves: must be a joke in there somewhere
BingoBoingo: Openex's ATC volume is down to under a hundredth of a BTC these past 24 hours. Trading on https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc still need to pick up the slack though.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15802 @ 0.00087054 = 13.7563 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: http://www.baystreet.ca/viewarticle.aspx?id=411977
ozbot: Baystreet.ca - ACCESSWIRE
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Exchange ‘Hitbtc’ Launches February 14th after $3M Investment
ThickAsThieves: those are guys mpoe-pr "see here'd"
cads: mircea_popescu: I did some reasearch about charlie bit me - turns out the advertising revenue (~$100K) let the father buy a new house.
mircea_popescu: whoa look at that, 600mn "views" yielded almost 100 btc.
mircea_popescu: a view is more than a hash!
mircea_popescu: ;;estimate 1000
gribble: (estimate takes no arguments) -- Shows next difficulty estimate.
mircea_popescu: ;;genrate 1000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 0.000191846212759 BTC per day and 7.9935921983e-06 BTC per hour.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (10**9 * 24 * 3600)/0.000191846212759
gribble: 450360727780104448
mircea_popescu: 4.5e17 hashes per btc!
cads: "At one point in time, their father Howard Davies-Car stressed that he didn't want to commercialize on the boy's success but realized that unlicensed merchandise was being sold based on their video.[9] In response to requests from viewers online the family created "Charlie Bit My Finger" T-shirts, mugs and limited edition calendars.[2][31]"
mircea_popescu: so did the reader chicks get a new library yet ?
BingoBoingo: ;;genrate 440000000000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 4.4e+11 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 84412.3336141 BTC per day and 3517.18056725 BTC per hour.
cads: and it's this next part that makes it seem completely scifi to me:
cads: "The family signed into a partnership with a video management company called Viral Spiral. Viral Spiral, a video management company specializing in viral videos, has helped place the video in advertisements for companies like Sprint and helped to create a brand.[23][32] There was also news of a web series featuring the boys in the works.[33]
cads: An app called "Charlie Bit Me!!!" was created for Apple and Android devices, developed by Viral Spiral and zGames.[34]"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo watts != kwh
ThickAsThieves: create a brand, from a viral video...
mircea_popescu: kinda shows how worthless a brand is today.
benkay: barely put any effort in...
ThickAsThieves: it's like a branding singularity
benkay: "hit by the brandhammer"
ThickAsThieves: everything you do is your brand
benkay: made 100k
mircea_popescu: policeman sees guy pissing on a fencepost. "da fuck are you doing!" "branding"
ThickAsThieves: freedom of brand!
mircea_popescu: "honey tonight i'll brand the fuck out of your vagina." "and then i brandished it into her again"
ThickAsThieves: i wonder what they call hot ironing cattle now?
ThickAsThieves: viral hits?
ThickAsThieves: tattoos
cads: oh, hey
ThickAsThieves: cowtoos
cads: speaking of memes turning into brands
cads: wtf is up with dogecoin?!
cads: their market cap is way up! http://coinmarketcap.com/doge_30.html
ThickAsThieves: it's Field Day for Nobodies
mircea_popescu: cads "turning" is maybe a little much
ThickAsThieves: i suspect doge is owned by way less people than they appear
mircea_popescu: http://coinmarketcap.com/
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripples Litecoin Peercoin DogeCoin Nxt Mastercoin C
ThickAsThieves: it's probly just a couple sock armies
mircea_popescu: dropped to 5 in the fantasy league.
BingoBoingo: If Doges are so great, why doesn't Sochi want them?
mircea_popescu: prolly next surpassed by next.
ThickAsThieves: lol there's 2m more doge than last time i looked!
ThickAsThieves: 2t*
mircea_popescu: MaxCoin -22% lmao
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how much money he'll pump in before he gives up
ThickAsThieves: ha i just went to check twitter
ThickAsThieves: and see mp doge tweet
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/status/434787967203160065
assbot: 123!
ozbot: Twitter / maxkeiser: Feels like a #maxcoin buy-program ...
cads: "An alternative cryptocurrency disrupting the already rather disrupting crypto market. MaxCoin Donations: mPQERLaEVcj1cMSMX5tyCcCdBeZCkm6GEK "
cazalla: speaking of doge, it was on aussie tv - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-13/the-new-aussie-crypto-currency-dogecoin-gives/5259088
cads: yeah yeah buddy
ThickAsThieves: jesus
ThickAsThieves: he said that?
ThickAsThieves: ugh
copumpkin: okay, that was quite the movie
cads: youre just trying to disrupt my wallet
mircea_popescu: dis rupting...
BingoBoingo: Maliciously rupturing?
BingoBoingo: Is Maxcoin a hernia?
ThickAsThieves: malleable anusactions
cads: Ah so when were prophets ever anything but shysters
cads: max has his followers
cads: aka chumps
cads: the only bad thing is I did not do it
cads: sad sad
ThickAsThieves: surely you can use a better name
ThickAsThieves: here i have one
ThickAsThieves: maximillions
cads: cadscoin
cads: Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 10h
cads: Financial regulators in US/UK and elsewhere want Bitcoin to stoop to their level, but it can't: it's not built that way.
cads: HAHAHAHA
cads: this guy is awesome
cads: this is a shyster and a hustler
ThickAsThieves: lol he also says "Saturday nights on Twitter a bit like streets of Paris in mid-August; nothing but drunks, homeless fools and drooling freaks."
cads: "America's Most Outrageous Political Pundit"
ThickAsThieves: on a saturday night
cads: ?REAAAALLLY?!"
cads: ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: max cads ?
mircea_popescu: i say do not despair.
mircea_popescu: you have a future in like nascar.
Duffer1: oh snap
ThickAsThieves: you could find an acronym too
ThickAsThieves: like CADS
ThickAsThieves: currency and deposit system
ThickAsThieves: or such
cads: but I'm not sure how long
ThickAsThieves: the bet exists
cads: of course
ThickAsThieves: pretty much
ThickAsThieves: http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/
ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization
benkay: "start out crazy long shots, end up nailbiters"
cads: http://bitbet.us/bet/687/pussy-riot-to-announce-tour-dates-before-feb/
ozbot: BitBet - Pussy Riot to announce tour dates before Feb 15th
benkay: there's some money in that dump
cads: ahaha
benkay: er, pump
cads: I dunno if there will be any touring for pussy riot
ThickAsThieves: there's like a legion of em no?
cads: like 5
cads: that just kicked out the two members that actually did time for the group
cads: because they want to remain an anonymous collective if criminals
mircea_popescu: tit envy ?
cads: of*
mircea_popescu: some of the chicks actually had nice tits
cads: I dunno, political suicide in either case imo
ThickAsThieves: clit envy
mircea_popescu: sadly, they were visibly stupid and never got promoted much
ThickAsThieves: there was the pretty one, the lesbian one, and the frizzy mommy
ThickAsThieves: a regular Destinys Child in the making
cads: I mean they could have gone around the world singing "Virgin Mary, put Putin away" and people would have loved it
cads: and the world would heap even more pressure and loathing on russia
cads: maybe they felt this would mean nothing
mircea_popescu: wait, is the pussy riot the ukrainian bunch or the russian bunch ?
ThickAsThieves: russian
cads: remember the russian girls that got arrested for holding an illegal concert on the stairs of the orthodox church
mircea_popescu: http://theaerogram.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mw.voice_.fb_.jpg
ThickAsThieves: Femen stole our voice, so we only write on signs now
mircea_popescu: also stole their tits.
mircea_popescu: that'd have been way better.
mircea_popescu: "Femen stole our tits, so we have to take it in the ass now"
mircea_popescu: "It hurts."
ThickAsThieves: Our rights have been "impacted"
mircea_popescu: hahaha
ThickAsThieves: https://www.tradingview.com/x/3sJjjkXD/
mircea_popescu: subtle proctological jokes, an -assets specialty.
cads: ThickAsThieves: I love how us bitcoin analysts use such powerful technical indicators as... rocket ships :)
mircea_popescu: rocketsheep!
cads: although I won't doubt its persuasive power
cads: for I felt it
cads: ;)
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cads: oh you guys do know that at one point english writing spelled the S sound with an F
cads: Hence "Femen stole our voice"
cads: is a naughty statement
Namworld: A friend of a friend wants to film me eating one of the hottest peppers in the world. If I don't die, he'll try it himself. What?
Namworld: Guess it can't be too bad.
Namworld: Sounds like fun.
cads: femen is a feminist group waging things such as a "topless jihad"
cads: Namworld: your friend is an evil bastard
cads: since I'm an evil bastard I encourage you to follow his heed!
mircea_popescu: semen ftole our fanny ?
Namworld: No. Me and my friends are evil bastards. I'll act like it's nothing and then we'll see his reaction.
cads: semen stole our voice. all we could make was gargling sounds
mircea_popescu: omfg.
mircea_popescu: dystopia : semen actually renders women mute.
mircea_popescu: some are happily and thus quietly married
mircea_popescu: the rest are feminists.
mircea_popescu: ~ fin ~
Namworld: I already tasted stuff ranked ~1 million on the Scoville scale without flinching.
Namworld: I'll make it look like it's nothing.
cads: Namworld: is there any way you can license the video for distribution to -assets?
cads: also your bastard friend's wimpy reaction :D
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo once btc goes up enough i guess you'll have to graduate from pens to peppers.
Namworld: The guy asked my friend because he needed someone to try before him. My friend proposed me, because he thought it would be fun. =P
Namworld: It was my understanding the guy wanted to put it on youtube.
mircea_popescu: so none of you have girlfriends ?
cads: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f01_65431732.jpg
Namworld: I don't, mircea.
Duffer1: >.<
mircea_popescu: cads that guy looks like the vagina dentata bit his finger.
mircea_popescu: should we call spiral bacterial or w/e it was ?
cads: his expression is hilarious
Namworld: lol cads
Namworld: I'll keep you updated, cads
cads: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f15_65342447.jpg
cads: hell yea! it looks like this girl just uppercutted the fuck out of this old man
cads: Truth: "A man kicks a topless Femen activist, as she raises her fist to protest against Islamists in front of the Great Mosque of Paris"
cads: I like the original interpretation
cads: it might be self selection bias but I notice none of these topless warriors are ugly - they're mostly slim and perky
cads: http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/femen-stages-a-topless-jihad/100487/
ozbot: Femen Stages a 'Topless Jihad' - In Focus - The Atlantic
cads: this officer looks like he's seen some shit and this takes the cake 15
cads: A man kicks a topless Femen activist, as she raises her fist to protest against Islamists in front of the Great Mosque of Paris
cads: err
cads: wrong paste buffer
cads: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f23_0RTXY7ZU.jpg
cads: one does not belong: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f30_65431623.jpg
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mircea_popescu: the fatty or the titless ?
cads: hey, has anyone studied Kolmogorov's classic "Foundations of Probability Theory"?
cazalla: at least they are against mudslimes
mircea_popescu: hahaha
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe.
cads: hmm
cads: "[..]"attention bonds," small warranties that some information will not be a waste of the recipient's time placed into escrow at the time of sending[..]"
cads: "receivers could cash in their bonds to signal to the sender that a given communication was a waste of their time or elect not to cash them in to signal that more communication would be welcome."
cads: this is a proposed system for reducing spam
cads: can we do this with bitcoin?
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mircea_popescu: so these are the stamps basically ?
cads: If you wanna comment on my blog, or drop a message in my website's inbox, say, you must give to an escrow
mircea_popescu: mail server automatically rejects all email that doesn't come with btc.
cads: then at any time I can exercise the right to claim the credits to punish spammers and trolls
cads: I dare not claim the credits of any valued readers
cads: lest my readership diminish
cads: it would be harder to implement for email but much easier for personal websites
mircea_popescu: the trilema credits system seems quite sufficient really.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00086659 = 5.6328 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: never put into the blockchain that which you can handle on your own machines.
jurov: http://xman.idnes.cz/foto.aspx?r=&c=A140206_105614_xman-styl_fro&foto=FRO51112d_Z_profimedia_0183244550.jpg for bait lovers
cads: drunk white redneck at an intersection next to a car full of black teenagers playing their music loud. Man starts arguing with the kids about the music, gets out of car. Argument ensues, man takes out gun an fires into the car. one kid is dead, the others uninjured.
cads: at trial the man's defense is that the kid menaced him with a gun. No gun is found at the scene and the defense argues that it is the state's burden to prove the gun was there.
cads: The jury convicts him on 3 counts of second degree attempted murder for the passengers
cads: and a count of firing into a vehicle
cads: but cannot come to a decision on the first degree murder charge against kid
cads: the judge instructs them that they may choose a lesser charge - 2nd degree, or manslaughter
cads: but they hang and a mistrial is declared
Namworld: Whut?
cads: this is a case for a shooting that happening in florida while the zimmerman trial/circus was going on
cads: a man named micheal dunn
cads: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fatlantablackstar.com%2F2014%2F02%2F11%2Fprosecution-rests-case-murder-trial-michael-dunn-accused-killer-jordan-davis%2F&h=0&w=0&sz=1&tbnid=8sXFi_avG17bvM&tbnh=189&tbnw=267&zoom=1&docid=87r38dkSEbXN7M&ei=1YAAU6SuHMTAkQfgqYCoDQ&ved=0CAgQsCUoAg
cads: slimy looking redneck fuck if there was one...
cazalla: man needs a purple heart
Namworld: Looks like media can't cover stuff properly once again?
cads: Namworld: what you mean you're in the US?
cazalla: cads: you mean where they take a mugshot, which is likely the white mans worst day alive juxaposed with the nigras best day?
cazalla: too drunk to spell :\
Namworld: nope
Namworld: I'm not.
cads: fuck yourself cazalla of course they
cads: do
cads: what sort of stupid question is that
Namworld: All medias would do that.
cads: in the zimmerman trial you saw juxtapositions of zimmerman looking all wellkempt next to trayvon looking like a thug on one media source
cazalla: he was a thug
cads: and pictures of trayvon a couple years younger looking angelic, next to zimmerman looking like a pile of crap
cads: every black kid is a thug
cads: Namworld: you think this is international news?
cads: I don't see what would have made it hard to find him guilty of manslaughter
cazalla: cads: he came from a broken home, was wandering the streets at night, dealing drugs, it was only a matter of time until it happened
benkay: i kinda begin to see why satoshi banged the client like he did
benkay: banged the client *out*
cads: I also wonder if the other kids in the car would have had opportunity to hide the weapon
cazalla: not that i care for zimmerman but given the media made it a black vs white issue and that black on white violence is the real issue, i can't help but smile to see him 6 foot under
cads: if /my/ shooter just got killed
cads: the least I can do for him is take his tool
cads: and hide it from the cops
cads: give him some dignity, you know?
benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: odds on the satoshi hoard moving to an unspendable address?
cazalla: perhaps they should listen to their music without disturbing the peace of others?
cazalla: there is nothing more rude than someone who plays their music within earshot of others and is oblivious to just how poor their taste is
cads: cazalla: but listen to yourself blithely say "well maybe they shouldn't annoy people", juxtaposed with the fact that a child was slaughtered.
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cazalla: it is what it is
cads: if white kids annoyed people and some black dude did the deed what would happen
cazalla: it's too late to complain your loud music draws attention after the fact
Namworld: I mean zimmerman case was probably too covered vs other cases.
Namworld: I'm not in the US and I've heard about it.
cazalla: zimmerman was just a cheap shot at whites, anti-racism meaning anti-white type crap
cazalla: the perp need not even be white to make it a black vs white issue these days
cazalla: which is why i have little sympathy for shot up black hoodlums, they do a good enough job of killing each other than we don't even need to string them up these days
cazalla: (and i think i've had enough port for this evening)
cads: so we have racists in the channel?
cads: who else?
cads: lets take a tally
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Namworld: I'll avoid voicing an opinion on a case I know little about.
jurov: ôôseens davout
jurov: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <davout> 2015 -> "intern accidentally deletes mpex"
cads: the worst part about these cases is when you see these men become heros to these lowbrow whitefuk rednecks here stateside
cads: they want to be like zimmerman
cads: they CAN'T WAIT to put a slug in a nigger
cads: ooooh boy
cads: to do that and get away with it
cads: it's their drea
cads: m
cads: don't tell me it wouldn't fucking thrill you, cazalla
cads: to kill a little punk pygmy that's threating YOUR life
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to read my poem:
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-letter-third/
ozbot: The Letter Third pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
cazalla: it's a cheap thrill, i don't really care tbh, it occurs far away from me with people of which there are very few where i reside
mircea_popescu: benkay i have no idea.
cads: so killing someone to you is a "cheap thrill"
cads: but meh, you don't really care about it
mircea_popescu: i cant believe that thing is still a topic. srsly ?
mircea_popescu: who cares, some guy killed some guy.
cazalla: why are you so invested when 2 idiots find themselves in a situation no sensible person would, where 1 of them will die
cads: I mean ideally both idiots would be punished - one is already dead, and the other needs to get his. Not for some moral reason. Only to deter further idiots.
cazalla: why are you not up in arms about the countless nigras being shot up by other nigras, why are you so focused on zimmerman? because he is portrayed as white and it's in the media? i think that's the only reason
cads: when a black person shoots a black person he goes to jail
mircea_popescu: cads or maybe he should get a reward for punishing one idiot.
cads: these are children we're talking about.
mircea_popescu: you know a black idiot being punished for being an idiot isn't therefore being punished for being black.
mircea_popescu: apparently children can die as well as adults.
cads: better
mircea_popescu: probably even better.
cads: without leaving a trace
cazalla: teenagers aren't children
cads: legally a teenager is a child until 17 or 18
cazalla: you're being facetious now
cads: true
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cads: I actually consider even 22 year olds to be kids
mircea_popescu: teenager is not defined legally afaik.
mircea_popescu: cads pasty ass white kids are children at 39.
cads: because they still think like fucking kids
mircea_popescu: kids that grow up on the streets are adults at 12.
cads: if that's true try talking to one about a 401k
mircea_popescu: methinks his 401k will beat your dad's 401k.
mircea_popescu: hands down.
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cazalla: cads my point is this, a bunch of black teens driving around in an 82 corolla (thinking it's a 64 impala) blasting some rap music is going to attract the wrong type of attention, white man was stupid to react to it but this is how the world works
mircea_popescu: a particular facility to being taken advantage by the government is no particular qualification of maturity.
cads: my dad works 10 hour shifts
cads: he's too hardy for a 401k
mircea_popescu: well then you see my point.
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cads: cazalla: that's not making a point, that's the standard argument
cazalla: well quit suggesting they are innocent and share no blame in their own death
mircea_popescu: original sean!
cazalla: it's like women who dress slutty and cry rape, you can't step into a lions cage and then complain he ate you
mircea_popescu: what if she was dressed like a slut specifically for me ?
mircea_popescu: do you now have license to help yourself too ?
cazalla: if you extend that license to me, yes
mircea_popescu: but i do not.
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mircea_popescu: that'd be a sight, rapist obtaining prior permission from the male owner of the slut.
mircea_popescu: "yoiur honor, this wasn't rape. i asked some guy if it's ok."
cads: add a transaction to the mix and you have a pimp
cazalla: if you grant permission but it's rape, surely you are not the owner
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i hear that's why the trezor kid got shot.
mircea_popescu: some jew guy made a pie, the black kid ate the pie
mircea_popescu: the jew went "omg wtf you ate my pie for!"
mircea_popescu: and the nigger went "dude it smelled good! if you didn't want me to eat it
mircea_popescu: you shouldn't have made it smell good."
mircea_popescu: and so the jew got angry and shot him/
mircea_popescu: and he got acquitted because the jury found the arguments unsavory.
cads: lesson is that women just need to start shooting their rapists
mircea_popescu: cads wouldn't that be rape ?
mircea_popescu: in that you know... the guy was trying to shoot it up her ?
mircea_popescu: they can, and they do.
cazalla: cads are you a sjw?
cads: sjw?
mircea_popescu: they just need an environment in which they feel safe and secure.
cazalla: social justice warrior
mircea_popescu: nah he's just a math geek.
mircea_popescu: they're a little touched.
cads: I do like to harass bigots though
cads: it's my own form of bigotry
cazalla: i was just about to ask that.. why are you bigotted against bigots
mircea_popescu: you mean you're intolerant with intolerance ?
chetty: bah you guys got no clue about rape
cazalla: btw cads, i'm fine with black people i have an acquataince with, it's the ones i don't that i'm suspect of, more so than whites i don't know
mircea_popescu: lol chetty epic statement.
mircea_popescu: cazalla youj know that's exactly what xenophobia is ?
cads: you think that if a black person is walking 40 feet behind me on a sidewalk, or if a white person is walking 40 feet behind me on a sidewalk, I don't prefer to be in the latter situation?
cads: even a black person prefers that
mircea_popescu: what srslky ?!@
cads: err
cads: wait a second
cads: I mean I prefer
cazalla: i am xenophobic
cazalla: but that doesn't bother me
mircea_popescu: i am honestly not getting you two.
chetty: rape has nothing to do with sex - you confuse the issues
mircea_popescu: it seriously makes no difference to me. wtf difference does it make ?
cads: chetty: I later realized that the women are also physically threatened and harmed/killed during rape
cads: (I was a kid when I wondered that)
mircea_popescu: hence my comment, re "they can and they do, provided they have a safe environment in which to enjoy it"
cazalla: what difference does it make?
cazalla: or is that directed at cads
mircea_popescu: at both of you.
mircea_popescu: i noticed this before, too, us people are fucking weird.
cazalla: i don't like foreigners coming into my country and upsetting the WASP ratio
cads: we'll argue for the joy of arguing
cazalla: if i get to know them on a 1 to 1 level, that's OK
cads: we're not particularly mean to each other even when we're insulting :D
mircea_popescu: i get in a bus, i sit with the black people, white people are all giving me wtf is this ?!?! looks
cads: cazalla: right, that's how I am too
mircea_popescu: black people are all omg this guy is like dangerous.
cazalla: i'd happily chant for the random black person to be shot, shout obscentities and then invite the black neighbour over for a bbq same day
cazalla: we don't really have black people in australia anyway
mircea_popescu: you're nuts already.
mircea_popescu: the only sane conclusion is that you've paid about 100x too much attention to this race thing.
mircea_popescu: perhaps 1000x
cazalla: yeah, reading too much /pol/ lately
cazalla: + drinking
mircea_popescu: da fuck difference does it make, even if you were in fucking somalia
mircea_popescu: most dudes there are you know, boring derps.
cazalla: yes i'm sure everyone is friendly to strangers in mogadishu
cads: cazalla: the thing about that is that is that's really some fuckshit, that's like having a gay friend over for a barbeque on saturday and secretly picketing with "GOD HATES FAGS" signs in sunday
cazalla: cads: that's me
cads: who would your friend think you were if he knew?
mircea_popescu: i'd expect he appreciates the prime trollage.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you ?
cads: if you don't really give a fuck what you fag ass friend thinks, what kind of friend can he be?
mircea_popescu: maybe scribble a Why So Srs on the back of the sign just in case you run into people you know.
cads: hahaha
cazalla: cads: because he isn't a stranger
mircea_popescu: a great friend, inasmuch as you don't give a shit what he thinks on retarded topics
mircea_popescu: it will encourage him to spend more time thinking of better stuff.
mircea_popescu: win-win
cads: what I'm saying is that how would he feel about his friend being part of a cause that is out to menace him and people like him?
mircea_popescu: menace my foot.
cazalla: cads: case in point, my wife has a gay friend + indian (immigrant) to boot! i don't like degenerate faggots or immigrants but i don't mind him coming over for dinner, holding my son etc, strange huh
mircea_popescu: god gives cancer to people he doesn't hate, too.
cads: cazalla: that's not strange, that's human
mircea_popescu: cazalla that's only because he's not fingering your son yet.
cads: there's that, neh :P
mircea_popescu: (that you know about)
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i keep a close eye on him, don't you worry about that
mircea_popescu: good thinking.
cazalla: he is never with my son unsupervised
mircea_popescu: just to be sure,
cazalla: and baby monitor is good excuse to listen to all conversation going on in the loungeroom anyway
mircea_popescu: you should finger him at all times.
cads: make sure you get the first impression
mircea_popescu: impaction.
cazalla: gay friend or son?
cads: the fatherly touch
mircea_popescu: it just struck me about 500 people will be reading this log sunday morning with a hangover
cazalla: baby shits everywhere so it isn't a problem
mircea_popescu: and decide they really need new friends.
punkman: what kind of trollbox did I walk into
mircea_popescu: lmao
cads: The... horror.
cazalla: i've had a bottle of tawny port so i'm just about done
cads: eh cazalla you're arrite
cads: mixed up white man
cads: but arrite
punkman: no hangover, but drinking shall commence in 5 min
cads: and counding.
cazalla: still suss on you cads
cazalla: a bit too sjw-ish for me
cads: I offer something SJWs can't
cazalla: anyone who runs to the defense of unnamed blacks and supposed rape victims is suspect to me
cads: redemption.
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cads: and freedom from sin!
mircea_popescu: cazalla maybe he just hasn't gotten laid in a really long time
mircea_popescu: white knighting is in white man's genes.
cazalla: maybe i haven't.. fucking kid and breast feeding :\
cazalla: i swear to god i never knew breast feeding could fuck up a good pair of tits in 5 weeks
mircea_popescu: how's getting laid prevent you from breastfeeding ?
mircea_popescu: there's other positions than doggy style you know
cazalla: "don't touch them" "they are too sensitive" "no i'm still sore from pregnancy for sex" "i'm tired" etc etc
mircea_popescu: spank her
cazalla: nah, gonna go to a gentlemans room soon
cads: and spank something else
mircea_popescu: what's the point of having gentlemen's rooms in australia ?
cazalla: no-one wants saggy tits with sour milk stained shirt :\
mircea_popescu: for tourists like ?
cazalla: although our son seems to love em
cazalla: nfi, never been to one
mircea_popescu: no wonder.
cazalla: we had plenty of sex prior to pregnancy and birth
cazalla: cads: he has blue eyes and blonde hair btw, couldn't be prouder
mircea_popescu: from an indian guy ?!
mircea_popescu: that must be rare.
cazalla: lol
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cads: a handsome young Aryan I'm sure
cads: cazalla: you're a new dad? congrats
cazalla: ty cads
jurov: congrats, too. but don't spoil him :)
mircea_popescu: well maybe a little.
cazalla: that'll depend on bitcoin over the years to come
cads: :D
cazalla: i'll be sure to tell him to check his bitcoin privilege
cazalla: anyway, i'm off to bed
cazalla: it is interesting that when sober, i only lurk/read
cazalla: few drinks and i spew all sorts of bullshit :\
cazalla: typica fkn aussies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmL72sgVdAQ
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cads: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html
ozbot: Internet troll personality study: Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, sadism.
cads: heck, I have all of the dark tetrad
cads: and you know the best trolls honestly think they're not trolling
cads: blah the article blatantly ignores the self reporting bias in requiring trolls to identify as trolls
jurov: troll and proud
cads: but it's significant that self identifying trolls still scored horribly
cads: so while some trolls may have hiden themselves the real blatant ones decided "fuck, lets troll this test"
jurov: but really, do any non-narcissistic, well-aligned, non-machhiavellistic people exist?
jurov: afaik if they do, then they only lurk
cads: I dunnno I think trolls are free riders
cads: if you're a sadist you need to pay for your entertainment like the rest us
cads: trolls will be ejected from the dialog space soon.
cads: and will come back with more refined tactics
cads: as I am.
cads: we shall evolve
cads: we shall revise.
cads: we are legion ;)
jurov: since when the sadists must pay?
mircea_popescu: <cads> so while some trolls may have hiden themselves the real blatant ones decided "fuck, lets troll this test" << what the fuck does slate know.
mircea_popescu: “debating issues that are important to you,” “chatting with others,” “making new friends,” “trolling others,” and “other.”
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mircea_popescu: most fucktarded set of options ever.
cads: I have sent people to shock websites for the lulz.
cads: I like to troll people in forums or the comments section of websites.
cads: The more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt.
mircea_popescu: "hi r retarded" "hi i am 12 and where does dildo go ?" "sanity" and "other"
cads: some people actually agree with such statements
mircea_popescu: you sound like the something awful crowd.
cads: sick people :P
cads: like us! :D
cads: those three lines I posted were from the slate article
cads: as examples of troll sentiments
mircea_popescu: o i
mircea_popescu: c
cads: I've been sending people to goatse.cx since I was 13
cads: tubgirl, etc.
cads: not lots of people, mostly friends
cads: and irc peers
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cads: I like trolling particularly bad arguments on, god help me, facebook and youtube comments
cads: and who doesn't love corrupting the innocent?
mircea_popescu: i trolled a guy right here, and he enjoyed it.
mircea_popescu: your weaksauce sjwing not as much.
cads: beh fuck your guys' face with y'all white people acronyms
cads: rednecks
cads: ;)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: wait, you're black too ?
cads: no
mircea_popescu: this place's really gone downhill.
mircea_popescu: "Once upon a time, there was an enchanted prince, who ruled the land beyond the wobbles. One day, he discovered a spot on his face. Foolishly, he ignored it...and three years later, he died of cancer. The spot, however, flourished, and soon set out to seek its fortune."
cads: "The game is essentially an abstract synthesis of all arts and sciences. It proceeds by players making deep connections between seemingly unrelated topics."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so orlov finally found costa rica huh
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Namworld: In Canada, people don't seem to care about immigrants. They all mix like it doesn't matter. I overheard someone at my old job say how he liked it so much more here than in the US because people weren't looking at him and less discrimination or something.
Namworld: Yet it doesn't seem like there's much difference between US and Canada to me in the culture.
cads: well there's a big difference even across the US
Namworld: Yes, guess it depends on the area.
Namworld: I'm in Montreal. I suppose that has some good on what I experience.
cads: wanna see a heat map of the geotagged tweets in the US using the word "nigger" in a negative sentiment?
Namworld: Sounds like fun
cads: http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/goh.png
cads: the data was normalized according to total twitter traffic
cads: lemme find the actual interactive map
cads: that lets you see the geography of all sorts of slurs
Namworld: Would be nice to have a population map too to put that in perspective.
mircea_popescu: fascinating : exactly the areas where black people live.
Namworld: That data too
mircea_popescu: cads how would you trust the negative sentiment detection ?
cads: http://users.humboldt.edu/mstephens/hate/hate_map.html#
ozbot: Hate Map
Namworld: Overlayed
cads: mircea_popescu: they paid students to manually code the statements for sentiment
cads: a little flaky but much better than automated sentiment detection, imo
mircea_popescu: fo sho
mircea_popescu: unless trolling
cads: right
cads: hopefully they blinded the kids enough to the geographic location that at least the overall shape is right
cads: mircea_popescu: actually
cads: the hate is /outside/ where blacks live
mircea_popescu: yeah it's at the north border of the space acually
cads: in little pods that correspond to high class suburbs or medium density rural
cads: and it drops off dramatically in the west, even for populated centers
cads: ie, LA has little proportion of the twitter bandwidth dedicated to "nigger"
mircea_popescu: californians lie.
mircea_popescu: your penny an hour students simple aren't sufficiently intellectually perverse to pick up on californian negative sentiment
cads: ahaah
cads: it would be hard to false positive a negative example of "nigger" :D
cads: there are a couple slurs in there like gook that are distributed in ways that seem completely arbitrary
mircea_popescu: i doubt you missed my point.
cads: I thought it was a jibe :)
cads: you're saying racist sentiment from white californians simply won't use the word 'nigger'
cads: which I'd grant you ten fold :D
cads: and indeed, this test has no way to protect against that
cads: hehe, the redneck that's been arguing against me on this one will enjoy your theory
mircea_popescu: lol
cads: maybe it's better to be surrounded by idiots that yell slurs than by smooth talking devils in suits
cads: one can take the latter group as chumps
cads: and lead them around by nose rings
cads: maybe not so for californians!
cads: err
cads: former group!
mircea_popescu: my experience with racism is that it's usually the problem of the people concerned with it.
cads: people affected by it mostly don't understand how it affects them
mircea_popescu: mno. people who spend a lot of time thinking about it end up being fucking weird.
mircea_popescu: people who couldn't care less generally aren't a problem to anyone.
mircea_popescu: i would say that your average "sensitive" idiot is about twice as noxious as your average "racist".
cads: I do like to bait them :P
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mircea_popescu: me too, but i kinda enjoy the first set more.
cads: keep in mind I and my brothers grew up here with a crappy accent as the cabbage eating weird kids that got picked on for our religion and culture
cads: remember romania is the mexico of europe to americans.
cads: so I've got some well placed hate for bigots and I'm okay with that for now
mircea_popescu: lol derp.
mircea_popescu: i don't think any us citizen alive today could pick out a romanian from a line-up if his anal virginity depended on it
chetty: really?
mircea_popescu: and you got picked out for being socially awkward and sexually unconvincing, not for "culture"
mircea_popescu: awkwardness is not culture.
cads: I'm not talking about in my adolescence, I'm talking about as a kid
mircea_popescu: picked on by who ?
mircea_popescu: well were they adults or other kids ?
cads: just kids and neighborhood bullies really
mircea_popescu: so other kids. socially awkward and sexually unconvincing.
mircea_popescu: what, you think sexual traits suddenly manifest at 18 ?
cads: well obviously socially ackward
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cads: that's the fucking point, you're acting like people can't fucking treat socially ackward people with some fucking respect
cads: and I know that's false
cads: since people more or less treat me with respect despite my ackwardness
mircea_popescu: they can't.
mircea_popescu: the point is to help them overcome their issues.
mircea_popescu: this needs incentives.
mircea_popescu: "the beatings will continue until morale improves."
cads: I mean, a black kid in an all white classroom will be ackward. A boy with a vaganapenis will be ackward. A girl that wears a headdress is going to feel ackward.
mircea_popescu: just because people have meanwhile stopped giving a shit about you and your overall health and well being doesn't mean the people that used to care were wrong.
cads: why does it have to be an overburdening feeling though?
mircea_popescu: it's just meanwhile you live in a different sort of society, which is dispersed and disinterested.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't. it's up to them not to be.
cads: so by your counsel, would it have been up to the slaves to accept the burden, and would it have been your advice simply improve morale till the situation changes or you're lynched.
cads: ?
mircea_popescu: no useful slave was ever lynched.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it is up to whoever to live his life, as his life is, rather than derp about how it should be.
mircea_popescu: i get it, everyone's special and dragons and the wrong gender and in the wrong time and insufficiently lottery winning.
mircea_popescu: not particularly interesting.
cads: so if someone is slandering you do you "derp about how it should be" or do you taking fucking recourse?
cads: or do you... "live your life" while your reputation is slandered?
mircea_popescu: well you may be inclined to review my record as the most slandered guy in the history of btc :)
cads: and take no offense or defense
Namworld: Had that in primary, living in the suburbs. Black kid in all white classroom. Had very few black people for the whole school.
cads: mircea_popescu: if I ever rape you in an alley one day you will limp back home, paste your asshole back together with some dabs of superglue and then tell no one and seek no revenge.
Namworld: Can't seem to recall any awkwardness to it.
cads: with that philosophy I can have you asshole when I want.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'll shoot you, what.
cads: that's the philosophy you want opressed kids to take
mircea_popescu: maybe you're the one getting raep'd.
mircea_popescu: no, that's just the strawman you find convenient lol
cads: well that's my point, you have built in recourse and you know how to exercise it
mircea_popescu: so do they, so can they. let them.
cads: you say you have it because you deserve it
cads: but you have it because you've been handed it
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: and if i have a business i didn't build that business ?
mircea_popescu: thank you obama for bitcoin and handing me mpex.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i owe tax nao too right ?
cads: you're saying if you were a nigger guinea you would have mpex.
cads: gtfo
mircea_popescu: i am a romanian in romania dood.
mircea_popescu: think it through.
cads: right, for the first thing you'd probably have been born in africa.
cads: good luck from that start.
mircea_popescu: i'd have been pretty much the same born whenever and wherever.
cads: born into the family of a destitute mother that couldn't feed you properly the first few years of your life?
cads: born into the family that lived in bitter poverty and taught you to take everything you can from the dole?
mircea_popescu: what makes you think i coud have been born to a destitute mother that couldn't feed me properly ?
mircea_popescu: what, we're equal nao ?
mircea_popescu: people aren't interchangeable.
cads: the part that really gets me is not that you can't imagine yourself as an average black person, weighted down with the average viral meme load and nonsense beliefs about finance and law and white people and everyone being out to get you
mircea_popescu: why am i not an average romanian weighted down with the average viral meme load and nonsense belief romanias get ?
mircea_popescu: what, you think blacks invented stupidity or soemthing ?
cads: but mostly that you think someone of your talent would get to the same place in life no matter what initial condition
mircea_popescu: this is exactly true.
mircea_popescu: the derpage about "conditions" is a very weak excuse.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who buys it, but judging by how often it needs to be repeated i would guess no one
cads: mircea_popescu: because you're not sampled from the sample space of romanians. You're sampled from the sample space of humans. You need to be concerned about the average expected outcome of humans if only because that's essential to collaborative solutions to problems.
mircea_popescu: what's the average gender of the human race ?
mircea_popescu: you're a clever guy, you know at least the basics of where statistics is meaningfully usable and where it isn't.
cads: hrm, is there no revolutionary effort you will have joined simply because you disagree with the way things are for a group of people you care about?
mircea_popescu: i have been at the forefront of fucking revolutionary effort lol.
mircea_popescu: that's the difference, i speak of things i know, you speak of things you dream and imagine. unflattering as that may sound.
cads: yeah that's a criticism I don't take lightly.
cads: and you can stop with any further expounding of that line now.
mircea_popescu: well, so you ever been in a revolution ?
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean on facebook, i mean with a gun.
cads: the closes to that is some underground cryptoanarchist stuff and some occupy bullshit, nothing with a gun.. yet, neh?
mircea_popescu: ok so then, if it's not your experience, why is it your preoccupation ?
cads: both efforts fell apart into violence and fighting with nothing I could do
cads: I mean, I went to rallies, I marched on board meetings, it was fun
cads: two friends in the 'movement' got into a fight at a rally
mircea_popescu: yes yes but my objection here is that you allow surogates to populate your mental forest.
mircea_popescu: which is in principle an evil.
cads: and police descended on them, broke bones, femur, put them in the hospital
mircea_popescu: a revolution is when you break the bones of the police
mircea_popescu: not the other way around.
mircea_popescu: this is the key aspect here. not that there is violence,
cads: exactly
mircea_popescu: but that the only limit to the violence is your own consicence.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, everyone can go straight off to the guillotine.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i'ma be off. we shall debate moar later!
cads: maybe I'll adress the mental forest thing, since I don't think you're entirely wrong, and I know it.
chetty: careful, MP's strange ideas grow on you
cads: it's the classic romanian "you know theory but you don't know practice" attack "o ai cu teoria. Dar practica te omoare." classic because every romanian has heard it from every other romanian they know, in one situation or another.
cads: Righteous Lecturing is actually Romania's official national past time, as I'm sure MP would acknowledge from his experiences with family, teachers, politicians, etc. :D
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chetty: you are Romanian too cads?
cads: obviously not by choice :)
cads: how about you? what's your culture?
chetty: haha well I guess Romanain by choice would work - at least for the moment
cads: live in RO?
cads: or abroad?
cads: oh no
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cads: I just saw lawrence fishbourne do a Kia commercial in his Morpheus charachter!
cads: Had two sets of keys, one in each hand
chetty: live in RO atm
cads: he was a valet for christ sakes, and offers the driver the choice of two keys
cads: the driver picks the kia. the matrix is real.
chetty: course it is, was there ever any doubt?
cads: chetty: as if the second and third movies were not progressively worse scams, I am just hoping we don't see neo dodging... bad insurance quotes or something...
cads: "Geico. Whoa."
cads: let me keep at least /some/ piece of media holy and pure in my thoughts, I say!
chetty: I never watch sequels ..or TV, bad for your health (mental)
cads: ^ this is a rapidly fading desire
cads: right
cads: I've learned to stop caring and throw myself into the long tail without any exterior curator
cads: future shock is a bitch sometimes though
cads: chetty: I mostly watch commericals, sound turned off, to study the visual rhetoric
cads: kinda perverse, I know... I don't do this much... stuff like the superbowl, or when I'm chilling on the couch with friends watching something
cads: I sanitize all the advertisements from my internet experience though, and get the large majority of my AV content from pirate channels
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kakobrekla: ;;ticker --market mtgox
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.3295, Best ask: 252.6, Bid-ask spread: 2.27050, Last trade: 249.47, 24 hour volume: 78979.07331245, 24 hour low: 247.0, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 333.23091
FabianB_: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 248.5, vol: 78869.04776296 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 633.0, vol: 16702.98226469 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 600.9, vol: 10841.20438 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 636.3, vol: 9196.50560524 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 655.01, vol: 44.65753383 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 635.753811, vol: 6328.89500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 381.946016093
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19433 @ 0.00087536 = 17.0109 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00087523 = 21.8808 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: dat ticker!
ThickAsThieves: yknow it would be really sad if gox opened and their users were buying up cheap coins and thus benefited from it's idiocy
ThickAsThieves: i guess omeone has to play the losing end
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00087144 = 8.0172 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: anyone good at poker here?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25594 @ 0.00087554 = 22.4086 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i hear some magic the gathering players are good at it
PsychoticBoy_: wanna buy a black lotus?
PsychoticBoy_: beta
PsychoticBoy_: got more old magic cards
PsychoticBoy_: ;)
ThickAsThieves: "Unfortunately, new research suggests that's not the case — trolls' personalities correlate highly with sadism. "
ThickAsThieves: "A new study by Erin Buckels and her colleagues at the University of Manitoba found that trolls' personalities are strongly linked to personality traits that form what some psychologists call the Dark Tetrad: sadism, narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism."
chetty: good description of this chan
ThickAsThieves: not enough isms though
ThickAsThieves: for example, contrarianism ^
MisterE: whales are this is all over IRC today
MisterE: opps
ThickAsThieves: is that your brain wallet?
ThickAsThieves: :)
MisterE: already had some text inthe input line
MisterE: was gonna say whales are manipulating big time today
MisterE: and separately that the study is being talked about in many channels I'm in
ThickAsThieves: it's an imporrant development, learning trolls like to troll cuz theyre assholes
ThickAsThieves: another popular topic this morning, "how do i get cash into Gox quickly?"
ThickAsThieves: no wonder trolls exist...
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chetty: in fairness there are also trolls that make you think - a lot of folks find that painful too
ThickAsThieves: nah
ThickAsThieves: i wont accept that all conflicting conversatinis trolling
deadweasel: i disagree :P
deadweasel: hi ThickAsThieves, morning
ThickAsThieves: herro
deadweasel: too much warm sake last night, with slices of jackfruit and vietnamese waitresses.
deadweasel: the grammar makes it seem like i'm eating slices of vietnamese waitresses. that was not the case.
ThickAsThieves: slices of waitresses?
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y2287/just_got_an_email_from_mtgox/
ozbot: Just got an email from mt.gox : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: i like the first comment
ThickAsThieves: i guess the kickstarter security leak data is being used to log into gox?
ThickAsThieves: pretty awesome
deadweasel: plunder that place senseless!
ThickAsThieves: hack sucker site #1 for obv access to sucker site #2
ThickAsThieves: "dont worry your funds arent going anywhere"
ThickAsThieves: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/02/more-than-200-miners-trapped-south-africa-2014216131037223953.html
ozbot: Hundreds trapped in South African gold mine - Africa - Al Jazeera English
ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 2000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 1222350.0727 USD and would take the last price down to 603.4600 USD, resulting in an average price of 611.1750 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 170.4864 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell --mtgox 2000
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 2000 --mtgox
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
pankkake: ;;market sell --market mtgox 2000
gribble: MtGox | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 443737.1817 USD and would take the last price down to 207.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 221.8686 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0645 seconds
ThickAsThieves: ty
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499898 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.070399 = 0.2112 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.070399 = 0.2816 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07011 = 0.2804 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: coinion.com/news/world/2014/02/more-than-2000-bitcoin-miners-trapped-over-huge-diff-increase
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1736 @ 0.00087695 = 1.5224 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10915 @ 0.00087659 = 9.568 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499898 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: .d
ozbot: 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 81 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.7724% in 0d 10h 50m 43s
ThickAsThieves: http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/02/16/long-term-update-3-days-chart-at-bitstamp/
ozbot: Long Term Update: 3 days chart at Bitstamp | Bitcoin Trading Signals
ThickAsThieves: Enky makes good posts
ThickAsThieves: in case you guys dont already follow him
ThickAsThieves: although his prediction of $200 on bitstamp is hard to digest
ThickAsThieves: wait i read that wrong
ThickAsThieves: he meant -$200
kakobrekla: he is here under Enky2
kakobrekla: fyi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00087735 = 15.222 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: word
ThickAsThieves: still waiting for my btc withdrawal from OpenEx...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 46 @ 0.19376446 = 8.9132 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: according to their chatbox there are people complaining too
ThickAsThieves: i didnt even see the chatbox heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.07504333 = 0.9005 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: these elastic designs arent always practical for large monitors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00024751 = 0.495 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00087739 = 18.4252 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2011 @ 0.00024762 = 0.498 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00557526 = 0.3847 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.067108 = 0.3355 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
the20year1: dang, gox is 270
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.125 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: dont listen to rap kids
kakobrekla: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26217014
ozbot: BBC News - Man guilty of 'loud music' shootings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00087739 = 6.9314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11889 @ 0.0008782 = 10.4409 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: epic troll: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/fitzpatrick-snowden-01.pdf
Bugpowder: Interesting... MPEX options exercise is not executing at the bitcoincharts.com price.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00087882 = 23.9918 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24855 @ 0.00087915 = 21.8513 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0002469 = 1.2345 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00024764 = 1.2382 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19450 @ 0.00024888 = 4.8407 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 623 @ 0.00024989 = 0.1557 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07076966 = 0.2123 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57499899 = 1.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00297498 = 0.1666 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00565493 = 0.9953 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00569999 = 0.1425 BTC [+] {4}
FabianB_: Bugpowder: what's it executing at instead?
Bugpowder: Your order to exercise 1 O.USD.P500T contracts has been received and will be executed. This will net you 0.83109870 BTC.
Bugpowder: So about $535.
Bugpowder: Maybe that was the last quoted price before the MPOEbot went down.
FabianB_: that's more like the 7 days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 556 @ 0.00024989 = 0.1389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00087693 = 15.1709 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: hi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07228571 = 1.012 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76594243 BTC to 1`841 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
deadweasel: hey nubbins`
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.43004790 BTC to 9`595 shares, 4482 satoshi per share
nubbins`: what's the haps?
ThickAsThieves: http://i.imgur.com/9fEN4EO.jpg
nubbins`: oooooof
nubbins`: "my blue jeans and tucked-in t-shirt will make this sword look even more realistic"
KRS-One: lol what an infant.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7541 @ 0.0008793 = 6.6308 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: he hasnt changed like at all
ThickAsThieves: just rounder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0672 = 0.2688 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087563 = 13.4847 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.125 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00087942 = 14.4225 BTC [+] {3}
deadweasel: is that a current pic
deadweasel: ?
deadweasel: of magicaltwat?
kakobrekla: from the latest facebook update.
Bugpowder: nice form
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.05823982 = 2.912 BTC [-] {17}
deadweasel: oh my.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00087707 = 13.463 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06723333 = 0.4034 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.002963 = 0.1333 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.128 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00087707 = 22.9354 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 48 @ 0.12210834 = 5.8612 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: waitwhat - the fat man carries a sword?
kakobrekla: dunno, perhaps its a magic the gathering thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.19376446 = 5.8129 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: my first thought was, it's against angry creditors
Bugpowder: Tux rubs his +4 longsword of summoning... A venté vanilla chai latte appears!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002963 = 0.2963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00087676 = 14.1597 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 650 @ 0.00087607 = 0.5694 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.002963 = 0.5689 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00087625 = 28.3905 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07256999 = 3.6285 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07299999 = 0.803 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00087882 = 24.1236 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.073 = 1.679 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06714 = 0.3357 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.128 = 0.384 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: $600 stamp
asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/us/eavesdropping-ensnared-american-law-firm.html
Bugpowder: My buddy is at that firm
Bugpowder: heheh
Bugpowder: 595
Bugpowder: I'm getting itchy... wanna buy on coinbase.
kakobrekla: ritchy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 198 @ 0.073 = 14.454 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7799 @ 0.00087546 = 6.8277 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: bugpowder, youre a buyer in the 500s?
Bugpowder: haven't pulled trigger yet.
Bugpowder: thinking about an entry tho
ThickAsThieves: was thinking same, but seems like it could go to 565
Bugpowder: might just start scaling in.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.073 = 4.38 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: last buy I made was at $700 a month or two ago.
ThickAsThieves: hard to predict what will happen if gox opens too
Bugpowder: price goes up
Bugpowder: not that hard to predict
ThickAsThieves: and then down?
ThickAsThieves: on stasmp
Bugpowder: it think it rallies everywhere
ThickAsThieves: yeah at first
ThickAsThieves: i guess thats all we need
Bugpowder: I'm not a trader so... I don't really care about the next 3 months
Bugpowder: Just want lowest entry
ThickAsThieves: i trade but go long when i get stuck :)
Bugpowder: some defense of 600 at stamp
ThickAsThieves: with a small portion of coins really
Bugpowder: Did u see that options exercise is happening at the wrong price?
FabianB: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 247.0, vol: 83120.16093865 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 610.0, vol: 23766.41845250 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 582.999, vol: 16671.38148 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 609.5, vol: 11813.83308207 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 641.0, vol: 68.53288743 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 623.844733, vol: 8032.04500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 397.308574612
ThickAsThieves: well "wrong" depends on who you ask ;)
FabianB: it's supposed to ask bitcoincharts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0672 = 0.1344 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: the bottom is in!
Bugpowder: missed it :(
ThickAsThieves: nah
ThickAsThieves: waitll tonight or tomorrow
ThickAsThieves: when gox says "sike!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00087994 = 47.1648 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00218173 = 0.9818 BTC [+]
benkay: "but the supreme court dismissed their fear as 'speculative'"
benkay: hm. maybe start a consulting company around "secure international comms"
benkay: sell everyone cardanos at 1000x markup.
benkay: defo gotta leave the us before doing that.
asciilifeform: benkay: what kind of idiot would buy at 1000x?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00088041 = 18.2245 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: the kind of idiots who don't know about cardanos to begin with.
pankkake: put a half eaten fruit on it
asciilifeform: i imagine there will be 1,000 of these once the plans are published.
benkay: asciilifeform: the cardanos come free with the implementation package for your two organizations.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.00087531 = 8.1763 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: one problem with this scheme is, as far as i can see, in order to want a cardano in the first place one needs a modicum of brains.
benkay: this is the enterprise sales problem.
benkay: there are fifty people over there - and only one with a checkbook and the brains to recognize a solution that needs implementing, frequently attended by much organizational resistance to doing anything.
benkay: nevertheless, that law firm needs some cardanos and training on how to use them.
benkay: besides they get to mark up the time spent fucking around with encryption to their clients - it's a win win win win win!
asciilifeform: if you personally can make this happen, talk to mp!
asciilifeform: the folks you're talking about might be a hard sell. they'd need to be talked out of their addiction to 'standards-compliant' (read: u.s.-diddled) turdware.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]
benkay: if the opportunity presents itself i'd be happy to. i'm not about to cold-call all the international law firms in dc, though.
benkay: although...
benkay: so the flipside of the additiction to 'standards-compliant' is that now some people in big cushy chairs are finally getting the idea that their standards are just a backdoor for the us of a.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00087413 = 17.7448 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: there is another, trickier problem that must be finessed.
asciilifeform: the clever ones will be very suspicious of anything presented as a pill against usg.
asciilifeform: on the other hand, witness all the lost souls salivating over 'silent circle' and related crap.
benkay: there is an awful chasm between people who want encryption and people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actual security.
asciilifeform: the 'good cop bad cop' algorithm is as old as mankind.
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72h4wROLM1qkzao6o1_1280.jpg
KRS-One: .bait
twizt: pretty slow bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3np4jEXuS1r1c0w7o1_500.jpg
KRS-One: wtf is that? ONE boob?
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8u5cyYHuw1rr6uq1o1_500.jpg
KRS-One: =/
KRS-One: fuck yea
Mats_cd03: could anyone recommend a reputable whois privacy service
KRS-One: Safenames
KRS-One: teh best i ever found as a sysadmin
nubbins`: few better ways to spend a sunday than calculating your net worth while enjoying a large mug of aeropress coffee
Mats_cd03: thx qt
benkay: eyo nubbins`
nubbins`: oh hi
benkay: BingoBoingo's nominally gathering up the satoshi letters
benkay: you should enbookify 'em
KRS-One: oh wow aeropress is much less acidic
nubbins`: the satoshi letters?
benkay: but subject of coffee, y'all ever fuck with the clever brewer?
nubbins`: KRS-One, it's what got me drinking black.
Mats_cd03: lol 'the satoshi letters'
KRS-One: wow black rly
KRS-One: is it plasic or glass? I hate plastic
benkay: nubbins`: yeah all of the things that szabo/satoshi wrote over the past 5 years or so
nubbins`: benkay: haven't tried the clever, but i do enjoy a good pour-over
nubbins`: benkay, i'd publish that
benkay: nubbins`: what i love about the clever is that it combines the extraction time of the french press with the filtering of the pour over
benkay: super precision coffee making
KRS-One: wiki doesnt say if aeropress is glass or plastic
benkay: it's plastic.
benkay: everything's plastic.
KRS-One: i'm a coffee snob
KRS-One: heat + plastic doesnt work well with me
KRS-One: plastic in fucken general
benkay: FUKKEN PLASTIC
nubbins`: aeropress is great
nubbins`: guy who invented the aerobie made it
KRS-One: ever drink water out of a plastic bottle? u can taste it
KRS-One: u cant tell me thats not bad for u
nubbins`: not sure offhand what type of plastic it's made from
benkay: hey KRS-One there are a bunch of different kinds of plastics
benkay: but hiding from them all in fear is a pretty safe approach.
nubbins`: http://aerobie.com/Products/Details/AeroPressMaterialsDescription.htm
KRS-One: whoever is in charge of plastic can shove them all up his ass.
nubbins`: heh
KRS-One: Sorry I just have a thing about plastic.
nubbins`: don't be sorry
KRS-One: i think its killing us
nubbins`: remember when everyone thought BPA was safe?
nubbins`: "oh whoops it's not lel sorry"
KRS-One: yeah
Mats_cd03: i consume 500ug of bpa every day
Mats_cd03: it makes me feel normal
KRS-One: what do u get it from
nubbins`: anyway, copolyester is what the aeropress is made of
KRS-One: nubbins`: thats better
KRS-One: it holds up to heat ok?
nubbins`: yeah, i brew at 80C
nubbins`: have been using one for ~3 years now, no signs of degradation
benkay: the clever's seal blows out after about 3 years of constant use
kakobrekla: yeah i need to get one of thsoe to try it out
nubbins`: "The AeroPress is made of three different plastics. The clear chamber and plunger are made of copolyester. The hard black filter cap, filter holder, funnel, and stirrer are made of polypropylene. The rubber like seal on the end of the plunger is made of a thermoplastic elastomer. All of these materials are FDA approved for use in contact with food. None of these materials contain bisphenol-A
nubbins`: (BPA) or any phthalates, chemicals that have been in the news lately because of possible health effects."
nubbins`: we have two ;(
nubbins`: as long as you don't store the aeropress with the plunger compressed, it should last forever
KRS-One: what do they have against glass and stainless steel?
KRS-One: more elegant
benkay: so make one
KRS-One: for instance, to smoke herb out of a nice ROOR Bong is a completely different experience than a fricken plastic one.
nubbins`: that link i pasted actually talks about glass and metal
nubbins`: consider that if ROOR made an aeropress it'd probably cost $200
kakobrekla: i thought we were past foodstamps here
nubbins`: and although you could probably throw it at a brick wall without breaking, that's probably not enough to justify the cost
kakobrekla: o wait
kakobrekla: ;;ticker --market mtgox
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.40967, Best ask: 246.995, Bid-ask spread: 2.58533, Last trade: 246.995, 24 hour volume: 85327.37931997, 24 hour low: 220.29327, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 308.78456
KRS-One: they are cheap
kakobrekla: nevermind that.
KRS-One: $25 USD on ThinkGeek
KRS-One: I shall try one
nubbins`: don't bother with a spare pack of filters, they give you like 300
KRS-One: wow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00087262 = 13.831 BTC [-]
nubbins`: fair warning, they suggest you use a large number of beans per cup
nubbins`: like 2x what you'd use for drip
benkay: that's always struck me as an indicator of inefficiency
nubbins`: compensates for the 30 second brew time
nubbins`: you can get away with using less, tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10354 @ 0.00087262 = 9.0351 BTC [-]
nubbins`: the aeropress actually makes an "espresso-like concentrate", that you then top up with hot water
nubbins`: inventor ragequit the coffeegeek forums after a months-long argument about whether it's "espresso" or not :D
kakobrekla: well its pressed and its express
kakobrekla: how can it not be espresso
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55000481 BTC [-]
nubbins`: KRS-One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mdATGyziIY
Mats_cd03: whats worse than audio geeks? coffee nerds
kakobrekla: what you get so stoned you cant hold your bong anymore?
nubbins`: kakobrekla, the lel is that those bongs cost several hundred dollars apiece
nubbins`: and it's assumed that their owners are just going to start dropping them off tables etc
kakobrekla: you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: what's worse than people who like things? people who don't think you should like the things you like
nubbins`: kakobrekla, +!
nubbins`: +1 even
benkay: nubbins`: 'cause i really want my house smelling of bong water.
Mats_cd03: i like coffee, thc, and pussy
kakobrekla: well, its a saying, tell me who you hang out with and ill tell you who you are
Mats_cd03: i dont go on forums and post walls of text about any of those though
kakobrekla: pretty much same goes for , tell me what you like and ill tell you if you are a retard
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: unsure if i should offer congratulations
Mats_cd03: i guess i'm a consumer
Mats_cd03: not a connoiseur though
nubbins`: kakobrekla: i like bitcoin, coffee, bicycles, and printing
kakobrekla: you are fine
kakobrekla: except for the mac thing.
benkay: he's also a filthy pothead
pankkake: but printing is evil!
dub: i like white wimminz
nubbins`: heh
Mats_cd03: printing steals jobs from hard working bangladeshis and chinese
nubbins`: right, yeah, i like my laptop and drugs, too
Mats_cd03: (we're talking about 3d printing here right)
nubbins`: nah, 2d printing
nubbins`: what the fuck is 3d printing
kakobrekla: and those stupid cas coins.
nubbins`: yes, those stupid coins too
kakobrekla: you are not fine!
benkay: so kakobrekla nubbins` retarded or not?
nubbins`: did i tell you i sold one of those for 6btc recently? :0
kakobrekla: benkay its a hard case.
nubbins`: borderline retarded
kakobrekla: bikes coffee and bitcoin aint bad.
kakobrekla: mp would argue with the bike thing.
nubbins`: sure, but we're not all vulgar enough to have a driver cart us around ;p
benkay: hey d_rebel what's your deal
benkay: d_rebel why u change names constantly
Mats_cd03: what does cas come loaded with? 5btc?
nubbins`: Mats_cd03, there are a variety of denominations, from 0.1btc to 1000btc
Mats_cd03: o
kakobrekla: any they are _all_ useless pretty much
nubbins`: well don't tell that to the guy who paid 6btc for one loaded with 0.5btc
benkay: BWAT
d_rebel: i have no idea why that's happening.
kakobrekla: dafuq
nubbins`: it was an especially low mintage.
benkay: you crazy numismatists
kakobrekla: you mean especially retarded fella
nubbins`: well yes, that too
Mats_cd03: robbed
benkay: scammer!
nubbins`: hey, fuck you guys
benkay: nubbins` u scamzor!
nubbins`: he knew what he was buying
benkay: so do all pmb purchasers
nubbins`: HAH
nubbins`: no they don't
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kakobrekla: !b 10 ✂︎
benkay: nubbins` you just lost the moral high ground.
kakobrekla: maybe needs more contxt, ill decide later
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kakobrekla: !b 30 ✂︎
nubbins`: "assuming network difficulty stays the same..."
nubbins`: benkay, there's moral high ground in here?
nubbins`: pmb purchasers think "hey, mining = win" and the sellers say "assuming diff doesn't change..."
kakobrekla: hmm
Mats_cd03: KRS-One: how is whoisguard compared to safenames
benkay: "assuming this mintage is worth more than the underlying in the future"
kakobrekla: wasnt nubbing nagging someone couple of days or weeks ago
nubbins`: numismatic collectors think "hey, this will be worth more money in the future" and sellers say "maybe, dunno"
kakobrekla: re high moral grounds n stuffs
benkay: face it man we're all just dancing around trying to fuck each other
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
nubbins`: kakobrekla, i was giving tat grief over his rubecoin and pmb
Mats_cd03: id fuck you
benkay: yeah he's been banging on about pmbs being a scam
kakobrekla: ah yes .
pankkake: scammers scamming scammers
benkay: hasn't had the stones to call mp out on the same scam tho
kakobrekla: which one is that
nubbins`: f.pure.synth
nubbins`: AFAICT that was a scam too
nubbins`: just offered at a better rate than other similar scams
kakobrekla: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00569999 = 0.3306 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: it's allllll just paper.
benkay: whether it's fancy paper with imaginary value now, or metal stamped paper with imaginary value in the future.
Chris_Sabian_: what about TAT?
nubbins`: anyway, all the info on f.pure.synth seems to be gone
nubbins`: so i wasn't able to suss out many details
benkay: it's not terribly complex. it's a pmb.
nubbins`: sure, but it was somehow tied into another pmb
benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65569.0
benkay: that'n
ozbot: [GLBSE] PureMining: Infinite-term, deterministic mining bond
nubbins`: yeah, it was essentially offering the same returns as that
nubbins`: but for a lower price
benkay: point is - life is a scam.
nubbins`: that's one outlook, yes
nubbins`: life's a scam, so you better try to get yours!
benkay: that's your play with the coins, certainly.
benkay: it's not a requirement.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32094 @ 0.00087453 = 28.0672 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: you'd be surprised the margins i get on most of these coins
benkay: great scam!
benkay: great margins.
kakobrekla: amazing profit
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: unfortunately, getting 6btc for a coin that cost ~1.2btc is a very rare thing
mircea_popescu: good evening gents
nubbins`: more common to get ~0.1
nubbins`: evening
Apocalyptic: evening mircea
benkay: i get where you're coming from nubbins`, really i do
benkay: but bitcoins is fukken dangerous.
nubbins`: no argument there
benkay: not toys
mircea_popescu: bitcoins killd my auntie.
benkay: not 'consumer tech'
mircea_popescu: consumer tech also killed my auntie.
benkay: i suppose this is why normal humans aren't allowed to buy fancy paper in the us
benkay: they might get ripped off if they're not really smart and careful!
benkay: but there's 0.01% of people that are smart
asciilifeform: consumer tech demo
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbD-LRTAIY
benkay: and 0.01% of people that are careful
ozbot: Monkey shooting in black with AK-47 (Kalashnikov) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: ripped off by the wrong people, even!
nubbins`: fancy paper
mircea_popescu: whoa it can handle the recoil ?
benkay: that makes like nobody that should be 'allowed' to play with these dangerous toys
benkay: or alternatively accept that 99.99999 of people are going to get fucked their whole lives, throw up hands and not give fucks.
asciilifeform: staged, if anyone didn't know.
mircea_popescu: somehow i imagined a monkey trying to fire an ak would end up flying.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is it weigh, 50 lbs ?
nubbins`: what else can i do!
benkay: make the babes happy
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: well, if little kids can shoot em...
benkay: pursue personal power
nubbins`: benkay: but i'm already doing both of those things D:
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled newton's 3rd.
benkay: yeah so let the scammers alone
benkay: or at least stop trying to foist your differentiation of scams on -assets
mircea_popescu: wtf ?!
mircea_popescu: benkay whai ?!
nubbins`: hey, this was dead until you brought it up again :P
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, i've been inducted into the ranks of pmb/rubecoin pushers
mircea_popescu: what is that
mircea_popescu: jesus how long have i been asleep
benkay: fair 'nuff
mircea_popescu: last i recall i was talking revolucion with some guy
nubbins`: yeah last thing we heard from you was <mircea_popescu> time to shave my beard so i'll know how long i've been asleep
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: o wait pmb/rubecoin as in miner bonds and altchain scams ?
nubbins`: just go back like an hour
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dunno if you've noticed this, but the logs are pretty much taylored for my convenience. if i'm up, an hour stretches over like 300 lines. yet the ten hours im asleep look in the log like an hour and a half.
nubbins`: that's got the makings of a great thesis statement
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1200 @ 0.00083785 = 1.0054 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/02/16/197236/mathematician-is-our-universe-a-simulation
nubbins`: ^ old hat to many of you, but stories like this always get my gears turning
ozbot: Mathematician: Is Our Universe a Simulation? - Slashdot
KRS-One: ozbot: I think so.
KRS-One: or it can at least be modelled mathematically
nubbins`: Mathematical knowledge is unlike any other knowledge. Its truths are objective, necessary and timeless.
KRS-One: haha
KRS-One: .bait
nubbins`: in a just universe, .bait would link you to the proof of a theorem
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8q213Qbu01ryjfq3o1_500.jpg
KRS-One: Eww, her bicycle seat gonna smell.
asciilifeform: http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/hbaker/hakmem/hacks.html#item154
ozbot: HAKMEM -- PROGRAMMING HACKS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED
asciilifeform: (obligatory re: universe sim)
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cads actualy, it is not, not that i don't appreciate your culture on the topic. the difference is subtly this : that what you propose is geared towards the present and the future, a matter of action, whereas what i was discussing was strictly as to the past and a matter of representation.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
KRS-One: wonder if anyone has tried to pinpoint the location in the universe to the precise location where the big bang occurred, taking into account skew or any offset
KRS-One: there was the wmap project but that wasnt a specific goal
nubbins`: eh, not sure such a thing is yet possible
mircea_popescu: KRS-One the location where the big bang occured is not within the universe.
asciilifeform: likewise p != np because the kid playing sim-verse has a finite budget too...
mircea_popescu: or at least, not particularly more in one place than the other.
KRS-One: if everything came from the singularity wouldnt there be that specific point in some kind of reference to us?
mircea_popescu: nope.
nubbins`: well, what's your frame of reference for locating the singularity?
mircea_popescu: might as well try to determine where on your body is the place where your mom got laid.
KRS-One: earth obviously
mircea_popescu: obviously she didn't get laid on your body.
nubbins`: relative to earth? we're flying through space
KRS-One: right but if we can model the universe somewhat and reverse time..
mircea_popescu: but you can not reverse time.
KRS-One: we've done it with galaxies
nubbins`: ^
KRS-One: on sim's you can
mircea_popescu: no, we haven't lol.
mircea_popescu: sims are toys.
nubbins`: sims make assumptions
KRS-One: yeah
nubbins`: consider the benign case of two galaxies smashing together and merging
KRS-One: we've simluated that
nubbins`: is a sim gonna show you what those two galaxies looked like before they crashed?
nubbins`: if so, to what resolution? etc
KRS-One: ah
nubbins`: might as well do a simulation of a pile of rotten mush to see what shape the banana was
KRS-One: too many assumptions
nubbins`: or a simulation to see what shade of yellow the eggs in your cake were, etc
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ThickAsThieves: guys, if you suddenly pass out, i iz just rebooting
nubbins`: too many assumptions and too many one-way events
ThickAsThieves: LifeOS needs to repopulate scams
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, on the bright side, we won't remember being asleep
ThickAsThieves: we won't remember being alive either
nubbins`: or, to generalize: we won't
ThickAsThieves: sure we will
mircea_popescu: deadweasel just admitted to slashing a vietnamese girl while drunk ? or did i misread ?
ThickAsThieves: deadweasel spoke?
nubbins`: we will, yes, sure. but i'm talking about whether we won't
mircea_popescu: he said he was jacking a rabbit with slices of vietnamese waitress.
ThickAsThieves: ah yes
ThickAsThieves: weird guy that one
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: especially... what i want to know is what he did to the weasel.
ThickAsThieves: mustve got confused which part was sushi
mircea_popescu: they're both sushi.
KRS-One: heh
nubbins`: i think wait staff does too much running around to make good eating
ThickAsThieves: Bugpowder it's falling again!
ThickAsThieves: get out yer wallet
nubbins`: ideally you want a combination of little/no exercise and healthy eating
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00087702 = 54.2875 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: but those two things so rarely go together
davout: !t x.eur
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
mircea_popescu: "Enky makes good posts" << is this the guy that bought t credits and rated me for it >?
davout: hmm how does that thing work?
mircea_popescu: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 (450 shares, 0.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00201007 / 0.00218173 (3800 shares, 7.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00179489 / 0.00218173 (21300 shares, 38.23 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: enky knows kako i think
davout: mircea_popescu: ty
ThickAsThieves: do they do that 4x thing together?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust enikesha
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user enikesha: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=enikesha | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enikesha | Rated since: Sun Sep 16 18:40:11 2012
mircea_popescu: tthat guy ?
ThickAsThieves: dont think so
mircea_popescu: i would guess not huh
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust enky
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user enky: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=enky | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enky | Rated since: never
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust enky2
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user enky2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=enky2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=enky2 | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: myeah nm, just my head got impacted.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder:
mircea_popescu: Maybe that was the last quoted price before the MPOEbot went down. << exactly.
nubbins`: better your head than your bowel
mircea_popescu: FabianB no it's the last quoted.
mircea_popescu: benkay:sell everyone cardanos at 1000x markup. << i think you're the fifth guy planning to do basically that.
mircea_popescu: buy $5k worth of cardanos and $15k worth of suits, hassle execs for three months and bill $3.5mn worth of bs.
mod6: are they ready to order?
nubbins`: now that's pulchritude
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: benkay: what kind of idiot would buy at 1000x? << the kind of idiot that expects service, which maximally extended is the kind of idiot who only deals with people in his wot. so basically, any serious businessman.
mircea_popescu: that's why startups have advantages in the mktplace.
mircea_popescu: mod6 not just yet.
asciilifeform: 1000x sounds a bit tall, that's all.
mod6: ok thx :)
mircea_popescu: a like that. well maybe.
cazalla: cads around?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3500/(15+5)
gribble: 175
mircea_popescu: 100x!
mircea_popescu: benkay:if the opportunity presents itself i'd be happy to. i'm not about to cold-call all the international law firms in dc, though. <<< because why ?
asciilifeform: main challenge will be assisting noobs in learning to 'tell shit from shinola.'
mircea_popescu: that's exactly equal to saying cca 2009 "well if some bitcoins appear on my harddrives i'll be glad. i'm not abouit to run bs code on my computer which i need for trying to strip naked the sims"
ThickAsThieves: <asciilifeform> main challenge will be assisting noobs in learning to 'tell shit from shinola.' /// sounds like competition is needed
ThickAsThieves: maybe make two rival companies
asciilifeform: S.KGB
nubbins`: s.hit and s.hinola
mircea_popescu: benkay:
mircea_popescu: there is an awful chasm between people who want encryption and people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actual security. << into the permanent records of bitcoin-assets this goes.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you have to draw that one.
benkay: mircea_popescu: did you see the part where i said "although..." trailing off while pondering the work/payoff function?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there comes a point where you have to turn it into an abstract
mircea_popescu: benkay no. i only read the parts that i can use (twice). the rest i don't read at all :D
benkay: mircea_popescu: funny man
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ok, let's try as an abstract : there's an awful chasm \between the people who want to cum and the people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actually getting all that girlslime all over their cock.
benkay: the inconvenience of girlslime!?
mircea_popescu: it's abstract man.
asciilifeform: i was just gonna throw that in
mircea_popescu: whoa i beat someone at the quick typing game once.
mircea_popescu: now i can die happy. or at least content. or whatever.
ThickAsThieves: girlslime, pretty sure thatd make the politically incorrect list
ThickAsThieves: and snailtrail
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves should it be gender-balanced-lubrication ?
asciilifeform: 'wd-40' for all.
asciilifeform: no discriminatory advantage permitted!
mircea_popescu: you know the girls do most of the sliming. which is kind of weird seeing how the boys get most of the hurt if they didn't.
mod6: lol @ snailtrail.
ThickAsThieves: so any predictions what gox will announce?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves chemtrails.
ThickAsThieves: i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, are chemtrails the result of quadriplegic women on chemo moving about the hospital ?
ThickAsThieves: then a wave of everyone saying they cant get coins out
mod6: then a wave of everyone pelting magicaltwit with flaming bags of dog shit
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/k8F31RR
mircea_popescu: magicallol
nubbins`: no cocks necessary.
ThickAsThieves: well scammers find ways to drag it out
mircea_popescu: nubbins` pretty good!
mircea_popescu: want some atc ?
ThickAsThieves: maybe they release some coins for vocal customers
ThickAsThieves: take the atc nubs
ThickAsThieves: you know you wanna
ThickAsThieves: be one of us michael
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: sure, send 'em to 1AltcoinSucksCocks<however many extra chars necessary to make length>
mircea_popescu: hater.
nubbins`: who's michael?
mircea_popescu: you do realise that without a hater atc would never win.
nubbins`: my pleasure to be a necessary cog
mircea_popescu: nubbins, the necessary cog
mircea_popescu: sounds like a good title for a kids book
ThickAsThieves: its from that vampire movie
nubbins`: or a business card
ThickAsThieves: lost boys?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` or that.
nubbins`: best business card title i ever saw was "scrabble blank feeler"
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that ?!
mod6: haha
nubbins`: heh. well you have played scrabble, yes?
mircea_popescu: i have.
ThickAsThieves: "cheater"
nubbins`: and players often put the tiles in a bag
mircea_popescu: i like playing "all languages scrabble" but generally people dont want to
nubbins`: the scrabble blank feeler takes an extra long time getting his tiles.
mircea_popescu: o i see
mircea_popescu: haha
asciilifeform: nope. this one -
asciilifeform: http://cooperostresh.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/myproof2.jpg%3Fw%3D620
nubbins`: :D
nubbins`: brilliant, no?
mircea_popescu: this is verboten in my harem.
nubbins`: now that's a nice business card
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reminds me of an old blog post lemme see
nubbins`: perforated blotter art would make an amusing card too
nubbins`: "law-abiding citizen"
asciilifeform: or,
asciilifeform: http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/businesscard_01_08.png%3Fw%3D580%26h%3D352
mircea_popescu: http://www.actsofgord.com/Chronicles/chapter36.php
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah, Sovereign Druglord
mircea_popescu: in weird type and rainbow collors.
mod6: yeah that one looks like mitnick's card: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fx1mFaheb0o/ThBJ9EP0XhI/AAAAAAAAEkQ/RLNs2xcYz1g/s1600/106709219_6c8be9703b_z.jpg
nubbins`: heh.
asciilifeform: prisoners get cards?
nubbins`: "J. Keefe, sovereign"
mod6: asciilifeform: post release
asciilifeform: the post-release one probably reads 'obedient peon' ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` with a picture of a pinky ring o nthe back for the recipient to kiss
nubbins`: we want encryption, not a fucking bridge
nubbins`: that has a ring to it
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mod6: after he was released he was on Tech-TV or something and said, "yeah, its nice to be out... but i gotta wait like a year or something to get a cell phone... and I hvae this ankle bracelt for a few months.."
asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: do i know that one ?
nubbins`: ankle bracelet, fancy
asciilifeform: some time in medieval times, a father is leading his useless-mouth son to be drowned
nubbins`: house arrest is usually on the honor system here
asciilifeform: they pass an old man who says, 'don't drown this fellow. i'll feed him dumplings, he won't have to do any work but to dip them' ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: son: 'whatdoyamean i gotta dip them' ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.' ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: o o o yeah!
cazalla: i enjoyed his book from 2-3 years ago
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit << epic.
ThickAsThieves: evoorhees seems to be posting on reddit lately
ThickAsThieves: doing panic control
mircea_popescu: jeez kako is on a roll.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: every time i hear "one of us" i think of that old movie "freaks" or w/e it's called
nubbins`: gooble gobble!
nubbins`: if kako was any sharper he'd cut himself
ThickAsThieves: the correct quote was "Drink this Michael. Become one of us"
benkay: rad illustration nubbins`
ThickAsThieves: had to look it up
benkay: being a stick figure is disappointing though
nubbins`: benkay, couldn't find my sketchbook OR a pen. threw me off.
asciilifeform: mitnick, the fellow who was kept in solitary because judge declared 'will start ww3 by whistling' ?
jurov: what does evoorhees and kakobrekla? i feel completely out of loop
cazalla: interesting that i ran into evoorhees prior to bitcoin (wickedfire)
mircea_popescu: <benkay> being a stick figure is disappointing though << talk to the cook.
mircea_popescu: say "woman, make me a sammich. god knows being a stick figure is disappointing enough"
mircea_popescu: jurov you seen teh log ?
jurov: no, fell hopelessly behind last few days
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mircea_popescu: dub: i like white wimminz << why is that ?
ThickAsThieves: better slime
mircea_popescu: is it ?
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt know, the only time i had a chance with a black girl i wasnt single
mircea_popescu: i don't much like other race womenz. i mean creoles can be insanely hot, but otherwise, black, yellow, eskimo, w/e, they're all ugly.
mircea_popescu: and i imagined it's prolly the same for everyone.
benkay: http://openlibernet.org/faq.html
ThickAsThieves: i find other races hot too
ozbot: Frequently Asked Questions
mircea_popescu: (creole meaning in that sentence, woman with some white ancestry)
mircea_popescu: 2. What’s wrong with the current internet?
mircea_popescu: Many things actually. First of all, it is important to remember that the internet didn’t just come to be in its current form.
mircea_popescu: benkay sorry, disqualified
mircea_popescu: FOR STUPIDITY.
nubbins`: benkay, http://imgur.com/se0YPEr
pankkake: doesn't work without javascript
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7041 @ 0.00022942 = 1.6153 BTC [-] {11}
nubbins`: me shrugs
pankkake: that's what is wrong with the internet
nubbins`: me forgets the /
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla:mp would argue with the bike thing. << how the fuck does he know that.
benkay: http://openlibernet.org/paper/open-libernet.pdf
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you've been fucking my womenz on the quiet ?!
pankkake: you wrote about bikes being an instrument of evil remember?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12849999 = 1.285 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o i did ? k.
nubbins`: ha.
mircea_popescu: people reading my blogz and drilling my womenz ON THE QUIET
nubbins`: can't very well do it on the loud
kakobrekla: id still double check on the womans thing.
benkay: mircea_popescu: it's got awful js and css - that's how you know REAL PROGRAMMERS built it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why does your guy have bycicle wheels in his eye sockets dood
benkay: nubbins`: is that me?
nubbins`: benkay, mircea_popescu: artistic license
mircea_popescu: you know it suddenly dawned on me... nubbins can't actually draw.
mircea_popescu: i think he might be blind.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: shh, don't tell the clients
benkay: mircea_popescu: why u no bikes? how ams evil?
mircea_popescu: benkay bikes make men impotent. walking makes girl ass and legs look great.
mircea_popescu: you sort it out.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iosif vissarionovich!
b00lcrap: 1234
bo0lcrap: hey why shouldn't you fart in an apple store?
bo0lcrap: because they dont have windows!
mircea_popescu: because the metrosexuals may fall in love ?
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: mine's better.
nubbins`: anyway, regarding my ability to draw
mircea_popescu: what, is that a topic ?
nubbins`: is now!
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nubbins`: there's a reason why i asked pascale to draw those heraldics and not me ;p
mircea_popescu: she never drew you ?
asciilifeform: "We are still at idea stage. We’ve built a few simulations to test some parts of the system, but the main development hasn’t begun. We have published our whitepaper, which explains.."
nubbins`: ooh, good one
nubbins`: she has, in fact, drawn me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could this be merged into the yarvin thing ?
nubbins`: i'm not much for realism tho
nubbins`: takes too much talent
asciilifeform: it could just as easily be merged into Duke Nukem XXX.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i however am much for criticism!
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao. maybe it should.
nubbins`: well you'll be happy to know that the band lapped up my snorting-coffee-grounds image:
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/cXupn13
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i even have a picture of a smiling hipster wearing it, one sec
mircea_popescu: its actually pretty good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC
mircea_popescu: it takes decent advantage of your few strengths while carefully avoiding all your numerous weaknesses.
benkay: haha
nubbins`: sorry, n/m, the hipster is not smiling
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/sk35KYw
ThickAsThieves: lol
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: if i wanted to highlight my weaknesses i'd just print a photo of myself
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ThickAsThieves: cake makes hipsters sad
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: i know right? face full of sugar and still not happy
nubbins`: shit, maybe he's upset about the shirts.
ThickAsThieves: looks cool enough to me
nubbins`: i'm always a bit surprised when i'm given free reign on design
nubbins`: always expecting "how about this?" to be met with "the fuck is your problem, asshole?"
mircea_popescu: "what are these people thinking"
nubbins`: well, yes
nubbins`: what ARE they thinking
ThickAsThieves: do you design shirts for non-hipster businesses?
ThickAsThieves: i bet those people would complain
nubbins`: most legit businesses come to us with art
mircea_popescu: which is how he got the idea he can draw in the first place.
mircea_popescu: by looking at all that art.
benkay: "art"
ThickAsThieves: so mean!
benkay: to bring us back to a much much earlier topic
mircea_popescu: someone stole my f's again
nubbins`: looking fat all that art
mircea_popescu: haha good 1
ThickAsThieves: loo king fat all tha tart
nubbins`: make no mistake, i do not operate under the assumption that i can draw
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is el englisho, doesn't spello like thato./
mircea_popescu: nubbins` just under the hope that others can't tell ?
nubbins`: has worked reasonably well so far, this approach
ThickAsThieves: it's performance art, people just buy souvenirs
mircea_popescu: if anyone ever asks me to back up assertions about collapsing standards in education i am definitely linking this in support.
nubbins`: hey, hold on now. i didn't go to art school
mircea_popescu: and btw, we need to start selling -asset tickets, this shit's too much fun.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not for you, for the viewers.
nubbins`: aha.
nubbins`: was waiting for "no, really?"
mircea_popescu: sidestepped :D
nubbins`: graciously
mircea_popescu: sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, you know.
nubbins`: no, really?
nubbins`: :DDDDD
ThickAsThieves: my english teacher told me puns are
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i bet your english teacher never got lied.
nubbins`: lights blinking and wind picking up, gonna try to fry some salmon while i still can.
benkay: american english teachers know neither english nor how to teach.
ThickAsThieves: he was a hideous creature of form and mind
mircea_popescu: imagine if he's from the hillbilly country and his parents are Form and Mindy
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ThickAsThieves: not punny
mircea_popescu: anyway, has the esteemed & most serene college of the assets read my recent poem ?
mircea_popescu: pls to say nice things for else i'm cutting.
ThickAsThieves: ;;google trilema writes a poem
gribble: Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Lewis's trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <;' target='_blank'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis's_trilemma>; C. S. Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis>
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema the letter third
gribble: Lewis's trilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <;' target='_blank'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis's_trilemma>; Free exchange: A trio of trilemmas | The Economist: <http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21580452-gold-standard-holds-worrying-lessons-single-currency-trio>; Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/>
asciilifeform: i read it. needs a part II.
mircea_popescu: google is so fucking borkt...
asciilifeform: where the sultan meets his fate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/scrisoarea3.php if you care
mircea_popescu: the 2nd part is not about the sultan (which is duly forgotten), but about how pissed off the author is with the current environment
mircea_popescu: cca 1880 he was distraught that people learn jack shit in school and everyone's lazy and stupid and wtf is this politics conspiraci of nonsense.
asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Ilja_Jefimowitsch_Repin_009.jpg
asciilifeform: for anyone who never saw.
benkay: sottisier needs linking to bash.*, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: benkay lol
mircea_popescu: don't be so mean, there's loads of smart things in there.
mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=3
benkay: ah then then the forum
benkay: yeah that in particular
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
pankkake: sottisier ?
mircea_popescu: cads what i want to know is when the fuck did romanian and cabbage get identified. what, cause cluj cabbage ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake certes.
mircea_popescu: nowai.
mircea_popescu: from ME ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00087224 = 24.5099 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: from benkay technically
benkay: ZING
mircea_popescu: fu benkay stealer of my things.
pankkake: if only your posts weren't that long, I would read them sooner
benkay: yup
Mats_cd03: can i have the sword
mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally, is a film with paolo villaggio
pankkake: does he lose his XP too?
benkay: i don't imitate, mircea_popescu i steap.
benkay: steal*
benkay: i begin to understand why offices work
mircea_popescu: pankkake no, that he keeps
benkay: you're responsible for the distractions roaming around
Mats_cd03: i tried to buy a .jp relic once, dealer tried to gouge me for $5k
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lucky me, turned up, http://lib.rus.ec/b/363206/read#n_49 ☟︎
Mats_cd03: found a replica that was better than the real thing on ebay for $200
Mats_cd03: although the replica didnt kill hundreds of chinese so i guess its inferior tbh
mircea_popescu: И, роняя капли света, словно брызги дождевые,
mircea_popescu: От восхода до заката встали радуги ночные.
mircea_popescu: you know that's not so bad.
benkay: you can always imbue your replica with that property, though, Mats_cd03
benkay: anyways that kind of property is kind of unique and so therefore probably worth in excess of 5k
benkay: that's what, less than an mpex seat?
benkay: sounds like a deal.
Mats_cd03: it was a relic owned by a descendant of a .jp soldier in nanjing
benkay: "how many human lives is an mpex seat worth"
mircea_popescu: o it's the old soviet translation isn't it.
mircea_popescu: yeah they actually put a lot of effort into getting it right for some reason.
Mats_cd03: definitely worth more than 5k
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: ww2 jp. swords suck (the issued ones, not the familial relics some of the nobles carried)
asciilifeform: not even reall japanese in style. more or less copies of eur. cavalry sabers of late 19th
asciilifeform: i thought serious sword folks knew that.
Mats_cd03: ya i thought so, so i picked up a carbon fibre weapon made with modern techniques
benkay: read it
benkay: thing is most humans are totally fungible
Mats_cd03: i have no expertise in that sort of thing, i meant to buy it as a gift for a colleague
mircea_popescu: teh sheeple!11
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 why'd you buy things you don't know to make gifts ?
benkay: the upper end of skill experience and what have ye isn't but that's a vanishingly small slice.
mircea_popescu: putting your friend in the awkward position of having been vicariously scammed doesn't seem like much of a gift
Mats_cd03: dude was a huge sword buff and owned all sorts of probably illegal war trophies
mircea_popescu: so therefore your odds of giving him something he doesn't think is shit are... <0.0001% ?
Mats_cd03: well i expected him to know the shit gift i bought him was shit
mircea_popescu: oic.
benkay: 300 bucks'll get you a pretty nice bottle of wine, Mats_cd03.
Mats_cd03: the garbage wine he drinks is more than that
benkay: if you can avoid getting scammed ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7442 @ 0.00087201 = 6.4895 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: how do you buy gifts for someone who has everything
Mats_cd03: i mean... besides a vagina purse
Mats_cd03: http://craftastrophe.net/2008/11/keep-your-money-safe-in-your-vagina/
ozbot: Keep Your Money Safe – in Your Vagina | Craftastrophe
mircea_popescu: wait this was a woman ?
Mats_cd03: no lol
benkay: human belt.
benkay: whoopie cushin
benkay: cushion
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: hey, fuck you guys << lawl.
mircea_popescu: i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new.
mircea_popescu: all that's missing is herbi driving a jet over his cat or something.
ThickAsThieves: mp the Like button and +1 button are missing from trilema
ThickAsThieves: how can i express myself without expressing myself?
benkay: oh yeah also while we're on the topic your discus implementation is fucking horrendous too
benkay: disqus*
ThickAsThieves: also where's your keyword cloud
ThickAsThieves: so useful those things
mircea_popescu: o yeah ? well i had sex with your wife!
benkay: yeah man keyword clouds are where its at
benkay: get with the 2004 mang
mircea_popescu: (the cannonical is, "his wife has cancer")
mircea_popescu: it's from the shrimpstore seinfeld episode.
mircea_popescu: http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-147.shtml
ozbot: Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 147-The Comeback
mircea_popescu: bah fuck me, "his wife is in a coma".
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: even better
ThickAsThieves: saying she's dead wouldnt be as funny either
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: they really polished those scripts.
mircea_popescu: you don't realise this on the first pass, watching it or w/e, but just try as a cw exercise to improve on them.
ThickAsThieves: i find tv shows to be increasingly predictable, i dont just mean boring
cazalla: curb is better
ThickAsThieves: i mean like where foreshadowing is painfully obvious
ThickAsThieves: or like how they use almost famous actors as cameo villians
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33245 @ 0.00087525 = 29.0977 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: asciilifeform: nothing wrong with ww2 japanese swords, good factory steel relinquished in shame
benkay: curb? CURB?!
benkay: show is miserable.
benkay: awkward comedy at its worst.
benkay: nobody on that show can tell a joke.
benkay: maybe the joke is on me expecting comedy
ThickAsThieves: it's the Altcoin of comedy shows
ThickAsThieves: "is this a joke?"
mircea_popescu: cazalla curb is atrocious.
mircea_popescu: "bro do you even joke ?"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, well, that'd be a funcrtion of you growing less retarded over time.
mircea_popescu: like for instance the mtgox thing ? totally impredictable and shocking for a few people.
mircea_popescu: somewhere.
benkay: <benkay> so gox: criminally incompetent? criminals? or just incompetent?
benkay: [18:30]
benkay: <donpdonp> i cant tell which
benkay: i know some
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00296 = 0.1362 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you're promiscuous :D
benkay: disregarded me for months
benkay: not terribly, it's the local btc irc channel
benkay: reptations get built in more places than -assets
benkay: and AND
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00087198 = 26.2466 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: i wear condoms.
benkay: so it's okay baby
mircea_popescu: boys should b e promiscuous anyway.
benkay: hear hear
benkay: what about men?
mircea_popescu: "The term can carry a moral judgement and is viewed in the context of a mainstream social ideal for sexual activity to occur within exclusive committed relationships."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wikipedia is grand.
mircea_popescu: "i know! let's give a bunch of clueless twits the unwarranted, indefensible idea that what they know and think is universal, and then let's have them write it all out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00297498 = 0.1934 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: educated, intelligent people everywhere will be entertained."
mircea_popescu: "for free."
benkay: britannica or gtfo
cazalla: mircea_popescu: because it's jewish?
benkay: and i mean the actual fucking bound volumes.
mircea_popescu: nah
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new.
nubbins`: i can't even get a break!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#487596 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: cazalla weren;t you from down under ?
nubbins`: earlier i was asking some guy about encryption and he starts going off about bridges!
cazalla: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: jesus, herbi is the proximate cause for me trying to rewatch that crud, cause he also claimed it's better than seinfeld.
mircea_popescu: and he's also from there.
mircea_popescu: you people must have really brainrotting tv or something.
nubbins`: curb is funny if you think watching adults endure horrendously awkward situations is funny
benkay: he's also a wannabe quant computer guy
nubbins`: if you don't, well, it just isn't
mircea_popescu: but they suck. they can't act, they aren't funny.
benkay: and i think into anime shit as well.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather watch the surveillance cam
cazalla: curb is better than seinfeld
benkay: oh shit herbi's into some wackness
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, that's the thing. they're not even trying to act
mircea_popescu: hm, maybe that's what it is, the curb thing is funny for people who don't have access to surveillance cams,
benkay: he and Vexual were wanking each other off the nother night.
nubbins`: benkay :0
benkay: it was vile
benkay: anime music videos
benkay: horrible house music
nubbins`: oof
mircea_popescu: at least it wasn't dub step.
benkay: eh
benkay: i've done too many drugs with dubstep playing to care about it anymore
nubbins`: (dub: don't want to be paged? don't choose a nick that's a genre of music)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: having loads of fun with herr eminescu.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dun worry, he knows i only do it to bother him
pankkake: dubsteb isn't all bad. just ignore the mainstream
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, write a russian variant!
nubbins`: dubstep, aka run some techno through a VCF
mircea_popescu: dubstep is okay if you're into fucking fifteen year olds.
nubbins`: and tweak the cutoff & peak knobs so it goes WOM WOM
benkay: well once upon a time
benkay: can't get away with it anymore
davout: wow: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-16/money-launderer-until-proven-innocent-italy-imposes-20-tax-withholding-all-inbound-m
benkay: mircea_popescu: ^^
nubbins`: dubstep is essentially "i bought a bunch of Moog modules and can't be fucked to learn how to use any of them"
mircea_popescu: i could but srsly... i prefer tits and a nicely formed hip-thigh complex.
benkay: nubbins`: nobody buys moog modules and so therefore has no incentive to actually learn them
benkay: no investment of money, no investment of time.
benkay: "why are these tools so hard bawwww"
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: italy is pretty much bankrupt.
mircea_popescu: how is this news ?
nubbins`: you have a point, they're doing it all with softsynths
mircea_popescu: italy has never, ever, at any poiint in its history, been able to pay the bills.
mircea_popescu: while the austrians paid for them, italy existed, then it didn't
Vexual: when in rome
mircea_popescu: then hitler took over,
mircea_popescu: then they didn't.
mircea_popescu: then germany took over, now they don't...
nubbins`: altho i suspect the "free" vs "$10k+" thing is a deciding factor when choosing softsynths over modulars too
pankkake: well most of the "dubstep" I like is closer to drum and bass. still…
mircea_popescu: it's not going to end. italians are willing to spend your money or starve. either way.
pankkake: eh, you can find 5-minute howto dubstep on youtube
benkay: nubbins`: that's precisely the problem. when people can't be arsed to figure out how to get their tools to make money, they don't arse themselves to grok the tools either.
nubbins`: pankkake, that's the problem
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/whiiite/luniz-i-got-5-on-it-whiiite-x
nubbins`: 10k "producers" watching a 5 minute tutorial on youtube and "releasing tracks"
benkay: if the tools are free, why develop competence when everyone else you know hacking on them is just as incompetent as yourself?
Mats_cd03: if you feel gangster listening to this trap mix... we are in agreement
pankkake: so dubstep songs are like altcoins
benkay: all techno is cryptocoins
nubbins`: pankkake sort of, but more people take dubstep seriously
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 202 @ 0.00084 = 0.1697 BTC [+]
nubbins`: and i suspect altcoins are no fun on club drugs
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, did you send those atc yet?
mircea_popescu: which atc ? the atc you never said you wanted ?
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nubbins`: hey, i never said i didn't want em
nubbins`: i even gave you most of an address
pankkake: https://soundcloud.com/betamorph/logam-your-mom-makes-dubstep
Mats_cd03: i imagine youd have to be doped up to care about altcoins
mircea_popescu: lolk
nubbins`: send as many as you want
mircea_popescu: cads i thought pokemon was a cartoon series.
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: oh, you might be onto something there
Mats_cd03: it was a game first i thought
cads: mircea_popescu: I'm not sure what came first, the video game nerd or the egg.
mircea_popescu: aok.
Vexual: altcoin, not altcoins
Mats_cd03: wtf am i listening to pankkake
pankkake: Mats_cd03: the impaled northern moonforest of dubstep
benkay: i'll take nubbins`' altcoins
nubbins`: you'll take them if your address starts with 1AltcoinSucksCocks
Vexual: altcoin is the plural!
benkay: shut up Vexual
mircea_popescu: A scientific study published in 2005 found that promiscuous men and women are judged equally harshly and a recent poll showed that both genders tend to express strong preference for sexually conservative partners.
mircea_popescu: dude this is absurd.
Mats_cd03: this is the worst thing i have listened to in months
CiPi: Real men use real things. :) Like bitcoin, not altcoin.
CiPi: loosers use altcoins.
mircea_popescu: someone prefers sexually conservative parties, somewhere in that africa over there across the atlantic ?!
benkay: doncha know mircea_popescu
benkay: we all sit around and talk about what kind of sex we'd like to have
benkay: get all horny
benkay: and then go home
pankkake: but it's not altcoins, it's Altcoin
nubbins`: 1AltcoinSucksCocks0123456789abcdef
nubbins`: there we go
benkay: pankkake: just transfer the coins nubbins` is throwing away to my account under your mgmt plz
nubbins`: the fuck is this, an auction?
mircea_popescu: lol
benkay: it's sunday in -assets!
benkay: #musical number begins
nubbins`: i am entitled to my entitlements!
benkay: you guys we need a stage musical
mircea_popescu: benkay i'm not giving preciously minted atc to the heathens!
TATwalking: I tell ya tho software producing takes a shit ton of time to get good at
benkay: wait i'm no heathen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18583 @ 0.0008743 = 16.2471 BTC [+]
nubbins`: TATwalking, this is why so few are good at it
benkay: this stage musical would have GLBSE
benkay: Colored Coins
benkay: Amir Taaki
nubbins`: "i'm a producer" can almost universally be responded to with "no you're not"
benkay: all as like transient guests that occasionally show up and say nonsensical things
Vexual: lol
mircea_popescu: nubbins` or with "it'll still cost you 70 for half and half"
nubbins`: hah.
mircea_popescu: he's not a producer, she is a whore, honesty all the way.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 191 @ 0.00084157 = 0.1607 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1285 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "altcoin: the commodity so valuable that people don't even want others throwing theirs away"
mircea_popescu: i paid good satoshis for that stuff i'll have you know.
TATwalking: I dodge the occasional tree :)
nubbins`: tell that to my empty atc address!
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, then buy some
nubbins`: Apocalyptic, i think you missed the point by about 5km
Apocalyptic: yeah i must admit haven't read the scroll
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.0055 = 0.1705 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.06913778 = 3.4569 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic few do.
mircea_popescu: it's five hours a day.
nubbins`: i was bequeathed some atc and now can't get anybody to follow through!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` because you were a smartass with derpy nonaddresses
nubbins`: totally is an address.
nubbins`: there's what, 2^9 private keys that will generate that address
TATwalking: now you must shoe on head
mircea_popescu: longest vanity in history.
nubbins`: well, 1MatthewNWrightIsAScammer was taken
mircea_popescu: obviously nubbins` did not read the protocol enough to know about the checksum.
nubbins`: OOOOOH
nubbins`: well fuck me
mircea_popescu: noty, but i did lel all the way/
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: isn't my face red!
benkay: i thought it was mostly white with some tatooos
nubbins`: guess i better go read up &c &c
mircea_popescu: ppl come to this chan thinking they're real smart all the time.
nubbins`: benkay, heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1980 @ 0.00043849 = 0.8682 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: we're kinda used to it.
nubbins`: tbf i came to this chan with no such delusion
mircea_popescu: why be fair ?
nubbins`: it's all that separates us from the savages
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: "На коне своем любимом Мирча в самой гуще боя, / Он ведет свою лавину, попирая все живое."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+]
TATwalking: that and the Canadian border
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know i know, it's very flattering.
nubbins`: TATwalking: unfortunately, we let americans through all the time
asciilifeform: named after this fellow?
mircea_popescu: the actual subject is mircea the old, http://istoriiregasite.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/cine-a-fost-mircea-si-de-ce-i-s-a-spus-cel-batran/
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: well no, named after my father.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06720001 = 0.5376 BTC [+]
nubbins`: the only instance i can recall that a canadian went the other way is when that guy swam from windsor to detroit after slamming 8 beers, to see if he could
nubbins`: (he could)
Vexual: thats called@ after breakfast@ here
TATwalking: and birner
TATwalking: bieber
mircea_popescu: TATwalking stop derping with your smartphone and pick up women
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.128625 = 0.5145 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: that's what walks are for.
TATwalking: lol
TATwalking: these are too heavy
nubbins`: the women?
TATwalking: :)
Vexual: hes carrying two desktops
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00297498 = 0.2975 BTC [+]
nubbins`: one for irc, one for ___
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically Mircea însuşi mână-n luptă vijelia-ngrozitoare, Care vine, vine, vine, calcă totul în picioare; is mircea himself leads into battle the fearsome tempest that coming, coming, coming, tramples everything underfoot.
mircea_popescu: they didn't have cgi in the 1800s, and you can almost see how much they'd have liked it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more or less exactly.
mircea_popescu: by all the effort they put into verbaly emmulating it
asciilifeform: hell, Homer does just this.
mircea_popescu: indeed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+]
nubbins`: turns out dickens didn't go on about the grocers for the word count
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/john-morillo-windsor-man-who-swam-across-detroit-river-regrets-it-1.2476250
ozbot: John Morillo, Windsor man who swam across Detroit River, regrets it - Windsor - CBC News
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: love the ending.
mircea_popescu: remarkably reusable for 150 yo code.
asciilifeform: always had a soft spot for herr Tepes.
Namworld: Fun gif: http://i.imgur.com/RNW1vdF.gif
mircea_popescu: you mean the actual vlad or the other vlad dracul guy ?
asciilifeform: actual.
asciilifeform: the one who knew what to do with turks.
mircea_popescu: he beheaded a bunch of medieval jpm&co bankers
benkay: that's intense Namworld
mircea_popescu: as a result got a pretty bad wrap in the english language press of the time
mircea_popescu: which was german.
benkay: mircea_popescu: "bad rap"
benkay: as in rap sheet, arrest history
Namworld: It sure is...
mircea_popescu: that'd be the literal.
mircea_popescu: Kazıklı Bey haha good one.
WillTablet: Hello
benkay: welcome
WillTablet: I gave myself a challenge - break even on the $18 worth of server I used to mine about 0.007 BTC worth of dogecoin
benkay: and?
WillTablet: And I'm pretty interested to see how it ends up
nubbins`: :/
nubbins`: anti-climax
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 625.66, Best ask: 625.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 625.68, 24 hour volume: 26319.78171749, 24 hour low: 590.01, 24 hour high: 670.0, 24 hour vwap: 627.53549918
WillTablet: Ima try and get some of it back, I prolly won't break even
benkay: ;;calc 623 * 0.007
gribble: 4.361
WillTablet: Ima lend it to a reputable borrower on btcjam or something
benkay: why not just learn the lesson, WillTablet?
benkay: you're only out like 12 buck
WillTablet: During the loan period, I will read up on shares and economics
nubbins`: reputable borrower
benkay: hey WillTablet let me give you a bit of insight
WillTablet: Go ahead
nubbins`: if there's one thing that speaks to a man's repute, it's his constant need of loans
pankkake: is btcjam like coinlenders?
benkay: in ten years that 0.007 BTC will be worth several x your dollars
benkay: without any risk due to lending it out.
WillTablet: True
mircea_popescu: pankkake it;s more like a logical continuation of glbse.
mircea_popescu: they came out with figures at some point that on average 30% of loans were delinquent.
mircea_popescu: (course ignoramuses that they are, it was a victorious point of pride)
nubbins`: almost 70% of loans repaid!
WillTablet: benkay: if that's the case, why does anyone invest? I want to do it as an experiment, and expect to lose it all
asciilifeform: 'Filtration System, a Marvel to Behold! It Removes 80% of Human Solid Waste!'
benkay: if you expect to lose it, why bother?
benkay: if you want to actually invest it, put it into MPEx.
benkay: it's a really good question, WillTablet.
nubbins`: yeah, put 0.0007 btc into mpex
WillTablet: Sarcasm?
nubbins`: yes
nubbins`: altho i think benkay was srs
benkay: the fundamental assumption is that a given operation will grow in value faster than btc.
ThickAsThieves: i saw a btcjam presentation once, he was surprisingly transparent
ThickAsThieves: considering how ba dthe numbers are
benkay: eh semi serious
benkay: kiddo doesn't know mpex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00087198 = 4.8831 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point there being that there's a point of delinquency where loan packages become unworthy. all this is old fiat finance grease.
mircea_popescu: like you know, knowing what a space cadet kbd is.
benkay: 0.007'd get et by jurov's fees instantly right?
WillTablet: mpex costs like 30 BTC a seat though
benkay: WillTablet: http://coinbr.com, although i think fees would eat you alive
nubbins`: i think the min deposit is more than that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fave story re: tepes: 'Некогда же обедоваше под трупием мертвых человек, иже на колие саженых, множество бо округ стола его; он же среди их ядяше и тем услажашеся. Слуга же его, иже пред ним ясти ставляше, смраду оного не могии тер ☟︎
asciilifeform: пети и заткну нос и на страну главу свою склони. Он же вопроси его: "что ради тако чинишь?" Он же отвеща государю: "не могу смрада сего терпети". Дракула же ту и повеле его на кол всадити, глаголя: "тамо ти есть высоко жити, смрад не м
ThickAsThieves: i imagine btcjam will be end up as proportionally unpopular as Prosper.com
asciilifeform: ожеть тебе доити".' (old russ. from http://www.old-russian.chat.ru/09drakula.htm)
benkay: your alternative is to throw it away on scams that don't have fees because they're not really businesses.
ThickAsThieves: -be
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/15/us-germany-france-idUSBREA1E0IG20140215
benkay: if you want to learn investing, borrow some money from your parents WillTablet and put it into Tesla.
benkay: some into us treasury bonds
ozbot: Merkel, Hollande to discuss European communication network avoiding U.S.
asciilifeform: translation: 'once dining under the corpses of men, those impaled on stakes, many sat around his table, dining among him and in this taking plasure. servant of his, placing food before him, could not endure the stench,
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i never heard of prosper.com
ThickAsThieves: tsla is a pretty nicely volatile stock to play with
ThickAsThieves: now you have!
nubbins`: but bitcoin gives my portfolio all the volatility that i need
ThickAsThieves: it's pretty old
WillTablet: benkay: heh my parents wouldn't let me
asciilifeform: and plugged his nose and turned his head. lord asked him, 'why do you this.' answered he: 'cannot endure the stench'.
WillTablet: I'm actually lending money to them atm
benkay: sounds like a rat fuck of bad decisions, WillTablet
benkay: why are you doing that?
ThickAsThieves: lend money to parents?
ThickAsThieves: just give it
asciilifeform: drakula ordered the man sat upon the stake, taller than others: 'high is this place, you will live free of the stench there.'
nubbins`: rat fuck, i like that
asciilifeform: (end of trans.)
benkay: they'll take it from you when they're old and dying anyways.
mircea_popescu: hehe
WillTablet: They are giving me something like 3% interest, might be 5 actually
benkay: more likely -100%.
WillTablet: I might play about with investopedia
benkay: *sigh*
benkay: have fun, kid.
ThickAsThieves: question, did any of you tell your parents to buy btc?
benkay: yup.
nubbins`: yes
ThickAsThieves: and did they?
nubbins`: no
kakobrekla: i got mine in at 5$.
benkay: good man
nubbins`: gave my dad a casascius coin for his birthday one year
benkay: mine were burning retirement capital until 6 months ago
WillTablet: benkay: sarcasm?
benkay: irony
benkay: WillTablet ^^
Mats_cd03: whats going on with these tx inssues
Mats_cd03: ^issues
benkay: the internet isn't going to teach you anything about investing except via exceptional losses.
WillTablet: So basically, the best thing to do with my bitcoins is to forget about them till I see on the news oh BTC is worth £4000 now
asciilifeform: EU: 'we'll build separate net. and run more winblows. our road to victory.'
Mats_cd03: bitpay doesn't work anymore, whining about some signature or other
ThickAsThieves: "We'll talk with France about how we can maintain a high level of data protection," Merkel said.
WillTablet: They have a market simulator though I suppose the psychological effect is different if its not real money
Duffer1: keep your btc
benkay: keep your btc
ThickAsThieves: seems like an awful lot of trouble to not solve spying