davout: yeah, i got that the first time
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: when is the MPOEbot coming back? And when will pending deposits be credited?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00087433 = 4.2405 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder the bot just as soon as it manages to talk to bitcoincharts
davout: deanclkclk: because you reinvented market orders, except you have the currency amount you're spending locked, not the currency you're buying
Bugpowder: been waiting for a test deposit for 36 hours....
davout: bitstamp already does it
davout: deanclkclk: so no, it's not a very interesting idea, not a bad way to let users place orders but still
davout: goodbye deanclkclk, i'm going to play
deanclkclk: davout: it benefits the seller and buyer. I was talking from mostly from the buyer
Bugpowder: I like the cryptsy system of, whatever bid you place that is over market, you get filled at asks at that exact price.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. Who really wants to use their acquaintance Brian in that way at all. Everyone knows their Brian will just flag everything as a scam and tell them to STFU n00b.
Duffer1: cryptsy system of trading, make trade, it executes a few hours later
deanclkclk: Duffer1: u mean everything gets execute late?
Bugpowder: you know... place asks and bids way off market at round numbers, get favorably filled at random intervals in the future.
Duffer1: it was a joke, cryptsy is a joke ^.^
BingoBoingo: I'm wondering when other ATC people are coming over to Apocalyptic's exchange.
BingoBoingo: Or... are we all waiting for Openex withdrawals
benkay: use your brian BingoBoingo
Apocalyptic: first ATC deposits will confirm in a couple of hours given the network rate, no much action to be expected until then
BingoBoingo: benkay: They have processed withdrawals before, it just usually takes 12 hours or so. Now, their order matching... totally scam.
Apocalyptic: it seems deanclkclk took his idea over to -otc now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00087723 = 24.2115 BTC [+] {4}
Duffer1: i wonder how many times he's been offered super cheap ltc
davout: deanclkclk: what people are trying to tell you is that your idea is not retarded, but that it does not constitute an original value proposition
benkay: you guys you guys you guys
benkay: THAT IS EVERYONE IN BITCOIN
benkay: plus also the animations are pretty sweet
benkay: did i just get mircea_popescu to watch a video?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00087806 = 8.3416 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Looks like Openex just processed a batch of withdrawls. Once these things confirm it will be time to shoot them over to x-bt
gribble: You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05500028 = 1.1 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: well given what you were replying to i took fundamental to mean "which was never afore thought"
mircea_popescu: seems to me about half the 12-yo-boy demographic cartoons out there use this concept.
mircea_popescu: now, obviously the fact that star-trek revolves around ipads does exactly nothing in a discussion of prior ipad art
mircea_popescu: but it was this rather than that angle i was pursuing.
mircea_popescu: the cellphone is a trivial greek trinket. they didn't know how to make it, but they did have them in their speech
mircea_popescu: certainly the strange behaviours of quantum that manifest at a macro level, from magnetism to histerezis, would perhaps count.
mircea_popescu: novel as in "never made before" or novel as in "never spoken of before" ?
mircea_popescu: right. but still, people spoke of the mystery back when it was not yet a problem
mircea_popescu: would you say the people trying to disprove (or for that matter prove) ZFC are or are not included ?
mircea_popescu: does only the speech of whoever gets the result count ?
mircea_popescu: right. which is what invalidates (from a purely philosophical pov) the approach
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: ty... Hoping to see MPOEbot make a triumphant return soon.
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> mircea_popescu: ty... Hoping to see MPOEbot make a triumphant return soon. /// unlikely til Gox reopens wd's
Bugpowder: shorting puts right now would be sweet
Bugpowder: though shorting puts yesterday would have been sweeter.
mircea_popescu: i think there may be a cascading effect where if it misses one it asks too often and then it gets banned for an interval
mircea_popescu: how would it have been sweet yest anyway ? seem sthe price dropped.
ThickAsThieves: i dont plan on buying any, i just think it's weird how this happens every "crash"
mircea_popescu: yeah well in this process any data can be fit to any hypothesis.
ThickAsThieves: mpex would certainly look better to be working than not
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no particular requirement one can't just trade as is you know ?
Apocalyptic: I wrote some crypto challenges a couple of years ago, involving breaking hash functions and differential crypto, they might interest you
mircea_popescu: i am saying that mpex allows people to trade whether the bot quotes or doesn't quote,
mircea_popescu: and that the bot is a private offering which is in principle not required to offer anyone any convenience other than its backers.
mircea_popescu: so it can't possibly a) look good or bad b) make mpex anything.
benkay: people can't price options on their own, though mircea. that competence thing.
benkay: it's not making any money for mpex shareholders not trading!
mircea_popescu: cuz it's a fucking hassle to fiddle with its feed, it being hardened ;/
benkay: ThickAsThieves that sounds like a call for a subscription market service.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, quoting outages are temporary, people (who don't generally trade) like to bitch/find conspiraci explanations for otherwise random events.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves dude wtf are you talking about srsly. what is the connection there ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06099997 = 0.61 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the bot doesn't have to quote any more than you do. where's your quote on options ?
benkay: ruminating on the future of los estados unidos
benkay: also wtf terp asciilifeform?
mircea_popescu: not that i know, but i suppose it's becoming more useful.
benkay: all terps are henceforth confined to their quarters
benkay: ritual canings will be administered until moral improves.
benkay: i care where's my damn options bot profit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00087866 = 24.1632 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: i don't really much care in the grand scheme of things but its a point what needs making.
Bugpowder: I have a history of crushing MPOEbot. I think MP fears my awesome trading powers and has pulled the bot.
benkay: lol yeah he saw you fiddling with your key again and pulled the bot
benkay: malleability options next?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00296999 = 0.1574 BTC [+]
davout: "we had to check all satoshis for cubeness" <<< win
Bugpowder: I imagine the feed will start working around the same time gox gets dropped from bitcoincharts, and the artificial price jump risk will have been eliminated
mircea_popescu: 13924429xx ; 13924424xx ; 13924419xx ; 13924414xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924408xx ; 13924403xx ; 13924403xx ; 13923763xx ; 13923724xx ; 13923716xx
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder srsly, mtgox is not even in the feed of bitcoincharts, since days ago.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 439 @ 0.00296999 = 1.3038 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00296999 = 0.2257 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i just gave you above a list of last times it quoted!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.00296998 = 1.1642 BTC [-] {2}
Bugpowder: I just want to short 50 DITM puts. A pittance.
mircea_popescu: dude did bitcoincharts split the feeds or something wtf is going on here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00297 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets
davout: mircea_popescu: if they removed gox from the index it'll probably still be taking into account data from before the removal
davout: Bugpowder: if it's the 24avg and it's been more than 24h then yes I guess sthg is off
Bugpowder: They aren't making financial decisions based on their quote
Bugpowder: though a nefarious agent could potentially take an options position and bribe them to remove it for assured profit.
mircea_popescu: turns out bugpowder is exactly right. bot actually isn't quoting because feeds disagree not because it couldn't get them.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well fuck me am i supposed to know all this code these people write all the time everywhere omfgbbq
Bugpowder: You should get the line before it too.
benkay: mircea_popescu's having software trubbles
davout: 2015 -> "intern accidentally deletes mpex"
mircea_popescu: benkay the sad part of this of course being that this is actually according to spec i wrote myself.
benkay: wow the spec didn't account for all edge cases
mircea_popescu: at a time long ago when nobody had heard of such a case or imagined it likely.
benkay: color my ass surprised
mircea_popescu: it accounted for cases i duly forgot about and then happened
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700005 = 0.335 BTC [+]
benkay: mp wrote a spec that performs
benkay: color my ass surprised?
mircea_popescu: anyway, mpoebot isn't quoting because the derivation among exchanges is too large, and likely won't until this is resolved somehow.
kakobrekla: why was the last quote 13923716xx then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700005 = 0.335 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because then somehow (?!) the bitcoincharts avg came out as 537
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 564 @ 0.00023993 = 0.1353 BTC [-] {4}
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu taps his keyboard of +3 plausibility.
mircea_popescu: by being in -assets i get the chance to learn how mpoebot etc actually work.
mircea_popescu: of course...this opnes up a fucking conundrum from hell,
mircea_popescu: because i am currently carrying a shitton of puts, which i would contractually be allowed to execute at the 430 bs bitcoincharts price
benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg
gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 652.46, Best ask: 654.28, Bid-ask spread: 1.82000, Last trade: 654.25, 24 hour volume: 39430.17, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 647.65
mircea_popescu: nanotube where does gribble get ;;ticker --market btcavg data from ?
TomServo: Not sure why that's not the default tbh
nanotube: mircea_popescu: bitcoinaverage.com
TomServo: mircea_popescu: I don't, sorry.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts average got messed up one day, because anx.hk accidentally pushed dogecoin trade data in place of bitcoin - thus producing high volume at really low price, and screwing things up.
☟︎ nanotube: i think charts has removed anx.hk for the moment
nanotube: nope, that event was on feb 10
benkay: testing in production since 2011
pankkake: there's a usuability issue, when you put an order, you get into the page in POST mode; refreshing it would likely submit the order a second time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00087806 = 8.8684 BTC [-]
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Apocalyptic: unless you submit it before the script has a chance to set the new token ofc
pankkake: I'm trying a herbijujular strategy!
cads: mircea_popescu: I'm looking for introductory materials in quantitative finance with focus on hedge funds and derivatives valuation. Any input in this direction?
benkay: cads: joshi, derivatives.
cads: mircea_popescu: some economics and game theory
cads: math background is category theory, algebra, graphs and computation/logic
benkay: that'd be the piece in question, cads.
cads: cool, I'll give joshi a spin
benkay: options derivatives and stuff
mircea_popescu: bear in mind that quants are idiots tho. always important to keep this clearly in your head
mircea_popescu: lest you end up believing your imagination has some bearing on reality.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 582 @ 0.00083559 = 0.4863 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06799997 = 0.408 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06799997 = 0.34 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: on which topic n taleb's stuff can't be sufficiently recommended i guess.
cads: mircea_popescu: Haha you mean quantitative models don't magically reorganize reality into your will?
BingoBoingo: The herbi lesson where you place orders based on how you want the book to look rather than on how you could buy and sell at palatable prices.
mircea_popescu: this remains true no matter how breathtakingly beautiful, elegant or symetrical they be.
benkay: no mircea_popescu you see i have this model and it shows that if things were different things would be different
mircea_popescu: the volatility in this chan is fantasitc, not two hours ago we were discussing the new and improved ordering whereby you get more phonenumber with your order,
benkay: quantitative finance -> kabbalah
mircea_popescu: benkay what do you think numeric/quantitative methods are ?
cads: I've been butting heads with the stochastic calculus and I think I'm about ready to start reading Probability with Martingales - random variables, random processes, and statistics are starting to feel a lot more natural.
BingoBoingo: The stuff that made Madonna dump A-Rod because his Batting average and WAR stopped being good numbers.
cads: Surprisingly so.... I'd hate for it to go to my head, though :)
cads: Sounds like something a fund manager would name his secret pet model
benkay: mircea_popescu: stochastic simulations, generally? you'd know more than me...
benkay: i was cracking wise about the technical folks' tendency to resort to blind incantations.
mircea_popescu: benkay but dja know what the kabbalist ppl mostly do ?
cads: the thing I find very useful about the calculus is that, forget finance, say you're dealing with an arrival process in a factory production cell or in an autonomous agent - now /that/ is a situation where your models basically become the magic word of god.
benkay: cads: you can find greater job satisfaction at a lower rate doing stochastic inventory and supply chain stuff. that said, you have to live in factories or warehouses and interact with line staff from time to time.
mircea_popescu: benkay you familiar with how if you read only the nth letter in an arbitrary string you may find a message in there ?
cads: benkay: I currently /am/ a factory worker :)
benkay: stochastic extraction of "sensible" strings from longer ones?
mircea_popescu: which all amount to basically "let's find the parametric function of the future" or meaning or w/e
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 785 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1947 BTC [+]
benkay: cads: well then there ain't nowhere to go but up!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55999949 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2}
cads: So knowing the nth letter of say an english message will definitely give a probability distribution for things like "what word does this letter belong to" or "is this the middle or end of a word."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00087779 = 21.4181 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: cads except that's the correct way to use numeric methods
mircea_popescu: the kabbalistic approach is to use them in the manner global warmists use their "data"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02579995 = 0.1032 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: (because you see, everything is in the torah, including the birthdate of your future wife you;ve not yet met, as well as the name of her secret lover)
benkay: this is true of π as well.
benkay: oh, our corpus isn't quite *that* large or *that* stochastic now...
BingoBoingo: And the trillions of hashes per second which aren't good enough to find blocks.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless it includes by reference enough material.
cads: This is why I refuse to learn finance first. I'd rather take whatever math intuition handicap than be caught using theorems whose conditions are not satisfied.
mircea_popescu: cads you'll never be popular with the fiat-finance crowds,
Bugpowder: You could probably do well in the just-dice groupie scene too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6034 @ 0.0008728 = 5.2665 BTC [-] {2}
cads: oh yeah, I'd heard of a sizeable market crash.
Bugpowder: time for the bot to start quoting again
benkay: ;;ticker --market mtgox
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.0, Best ask: 442.97, Bid-ask spread: 2.97000, Last trade: 450.0, 24 hour volume: 53582.53478578, 24 hour low: 310.0, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 368.92604
benkay: the "ship to forum sockpuppets" asic ploy.
ozbot: MtGox bitcoin withdrawals working again : Bitcoin
cads: bitcoinity.org is now tracking bitstamp rather than gox?
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 666.0, Best ask: 669.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 666.0, 24 hour volume: 20510.92582860, 24 hour low: 628.88, 24 hour high: 673.01, 24 hour vwap: 650.017359511
cads: Do we have arbitrage between gox and bitstamp?
cads: 'Transaction Malleability'!?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15141 @ 0.00087184 = 13.2005 BTC [-]
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 139 @ 0.0008356 = 0.1161 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00083588 = 0.2508 BTC [+]
cads: Since when the fuck does bitcoin have fucking transaction fucking MALLEABILITY?!
copumpkin: it isn't really all that much of a problem
copumpkin: if you're aware of it, which it turns out nobody was
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000836 = 0.2508 BTC [+]
copumpkin: all the major exchanges and the "official" bitcoin-qt client :P
mircea_popescu: i think it was a topic of discussion at least monthly.
copumpkin: well, they all failed at it in some way or another
copumpkin: anyway, it wasn't a threat of loss of bitcoins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 261 @ 0.0008375 = 0.2186 BTC [+]
copumpkin: unless you layer additional stupidity on top of it
benkay: copumpkin: do you write in public anywhere?
mircea_popescu: because he likes you and would like to get to know you better.
mircea_popescu: benkay you know he's the asshole who stole my bentley and gave it to a bunch of kids from like poor countries in india or some shit, and in exchange they hacked a bunch of iphones for him
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1000 @ 0.0055 = 5.5 BTC
cads: "While transactions are signed, the signature does not currently cover all the data in a transaction that is hashed to create the transaction hash. "
BingoBoingo: Doesn't he also keep a bunch of tomatoes prisoner or am I confused.
cads: mircea_popescu: I'm going to investigate the excuse don't worry :D
benkay: anyways, this malleability thing as mentioned above is not really a flaw, cads.
benkay: the flaw is in people using the txid as a bookkeeping device which satoshi explicitly warned against iirc
mircea_popescu: like tits, they get cold and flop arouind and your nipples hurt and everything,
copumpkin: it's not ideal and the devs are trying to adjust it
mircea_popescu: watch it abd blog about the experience, i never saw it.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the problem in Gox's case is they kept leading zeros in their signatures. Everyone else was like STFU that's dumb. Eventually some nodes started correcting this mistake.
mircea_popescu: mtgox was at least 5 times told to stop with the idiocy.
BingoBoingo: Cutting those zeros changed the txid though.
cads: copumpkin: You've got me piqued on the soundtrack
mircea_popescu: but apparently the php lolcat interpreter adds leading 0's to O RLY?/OIC blocks or something
cads: if a soundtrack is good I usually watch the movie
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well so far it is at least two mistakes on Gox's part leading zeros and txid as database primary key.
BingoBoingo: Well, then there is the third mistake, scam.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 391 @ 0.00043898 = 0.1716 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Mark's face is shaped in such a way, I imagine, he imagines he can just hug away the scam.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 599 @ 0.00043899 = 0.263 BTC [+] {3}
cads: copumpkin: you're right, this is good
copumpkin: I'm a big fan of the tune in sonmi-451 meets chang, and the various times it recurs throughout the rest of the soundtrack
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the diference here being of course that you're not expected to run the whole turd
mircea_popescu: well yeah in ashell environment. not quite that much flexibility in bitcoin scrupting
mircea_popescu: one thing i can't for the fucking life of me understand is why on earth has nobody made an actual competing implementation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06799997 = 0.136 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yet nobody went "ok, the ideas are quite clear, let's do this then"
mircea_popescu: there are 5k universities proposing they have cs departments, which is a fraud
mircea_popescu: as in a sane world no uni with a cs department could have done anything else in 2013 as a term paper
Bugpowder: man, gox back down to where it started... what a derp
ozbot: Unqualified Reservations: What's wrong with CS research
benkay: mircea_popescu: it's a goddamn shame that everyone's leaving it to the self-taught hacks
mircea_popescu: this'd have been anyone's term project if i were teaching.
benkay: mircea_popescu: cs departments are for research. mechanical and ee departments are apparently where you learn to actually weld shit together.
cads: shame and opportunity
Bugpowder: How to blow 1000BTC in under 5 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and i seriously do not understand what a rector must be thinking to not close down their cs department after this
copumpkin: not sure I'd say it was blown, Bugpowder
mircea_popescu: "what, you have not implemented bitcoin as a term project ? you're defunded. 100%"
benkay: most us unis i've been to are similarly oriented around hoovering up research + dod monies asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: we're fortunate to live in a world where nobody has any clear measuring stick to be able to measure exactly how tall the pile of shameful excrement they find themselves under is.
mircea_popescu: so they can go around pretending like they're things they could never be.
mircea_popescu: "humanities" "professors" that have no idea what a college is and can not speak latin,
mircea_popescu: cs professors who failed to have the kids implement bitcoin in 2013
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe i'm blinded by zeal but seems to me sed is actually harder.
cads: I'd love to see a haskell or agda implementation
mircea_popescu: bitcoin once explained by satoshi is not actually hard in any sense
benkay: more like a potato gun
benkay: u want shells too sir?
mircea_popescu: benkay you don't have to make the shells actually do anything you know ?
ozbot: MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube
mircea_popescu: a howitzer can fire blanks on the football field just fine
benkay: sure but then you're not really putting the barrel through its paces are you?
cads: mircea_popescu: sell some Coq nerds on the importance of implementing a formally verified blockchain algorithm and further specialization to a btc implementation :)
MisterE_: asciilifeform: is right, education is a business before all esle
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most Land Grants had them back in the day.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00087607 = 12.1774 BTC [+] {2}
cads: mircea_popescu: just acquaintances on irc.
cads: oh, key, copumpkin is also a #coq regular
copumpkin: cads: we've spoken in all sorts of different places :P
cads: asciilifeform: it's always been one great misgiving of mine whenever I read papers on large formally verified software projects
cads: for example UC's Quark verified browser kernel or the NICTA's l4.verified project.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 797 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1976 BTC [+]
benkay: cads: what kind of factory worker reads about formal verification of large software projects?!
cads: I appreciate that we can create a kernel of security properties and then prove it about our access control model, and then build the system on that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 703 @ 0.00024797 = 0.1743 BTC [+]
cads: And I appreciate that this makes it /easier/ to avoid bugs - the only place a bug can now live is in the security properties you prove about your access model.
cads: And that's the part that hits my stomach with dread.
mircea_popescu: you can now have no bugs except that sort of bugs you'll never find
cads: Since /those/ bugs are embedded in philosophy
cads: But I'm optimistic since we can study the theory of what should constitute a correct and effective security property
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02579995 = 0.258 BTC [-]
cads: It does feel like you're concentrating the bugs into a very rare and amazingly lucrative bug class
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00087836 = 10.2768 BTC [+]
cads: hmm, the verified software I've read about uses security properties which are proven via a formal proof assistant in a standard logic.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06899996 = 1.104 BTC [+] {3}
cads: fair enough, then even the most correct formally proven software should expect some faults due to underlying hardware.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06899998 = 0.414 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06999998 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your dream of software that's unauditable by the user is getting closer and closer huh
cads: asciilifeform: that brings us to study methods of invalidating the security properties by changing aspects of the substrate system that the security properties gloss over or assume by fiat.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [+]
cads: We can always dream about strong encryption for state machine dynamics.
cads: Which could give us some padding between the software agent and untrusted underlying hardware.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14385 @ 0.00087519 = 12.5896 BTC [-]
cads: right, currently it's amazingly inefficient and not general, and I also believe there are unfortunate theoretical limits to the power of any such approach
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 68 @ 0.07 = 4.76 BTC [+]
cads: you may have to excuse my ignorance of the commercial or political side of this work
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00297 = 0.1069 BTC [+]
cads: I came up with the idea of encrypted computing when I was thinking how to design an autonomous AI agent that cannot ever have its state vector interrogated or partially simulated.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00087843 = 3.4259 BTC [+] {2}
cads: So that if an adversary has captured the state vector they can only continue to simulate it faithfully
cads: right, I guess to jump from homomorphic encryption to obfuscated computation is a natural one.
ozbot: Paillier cryptosystem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
cads: okay, so in our Paillier OISC we'd use subtract and branch of != 0, or subtract and branch if <= 0.
cads: Only with pallier operations
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cads: wait how do we implement the order relation on the ciphertext version of the data
cads: right that would surely give the game away for most things
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Mats_cd03: Complicated technical gibbering, mundane, cryptodongs, etc
ozbot: JOSEKI (cipher) - Crypto Wiki
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ozbot: ClubOrlov: “American” exceptionalism
Mats_cd03: i belieb in american exceptionalism
benkay: Mats_cd03: are you on cocaine?
benkay: well i bleed american capitalism
ozbot: Exceptionalismul personal pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Mats_cd03: american capitalism smells like fast food grease and dick cheese
benkay: once upon a time it smelled like blood and money.
benkay: yeah. people were cool once.
Mats_cd03: i watched the aviator so yeah i can pretend like i know what youre talking about
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benkay: orwell's responsible for modern socialism?
cads: so joseki is a two part encryption decryption function E, D such that in some sense "the encryption algorithm is not the same as, and cannot be deduced from, the decryption algorithm."
mircea_popescu: makes this observation how the only sort of people who seem to trive in his dystopia are bug-like
benkay: ;;calc 59.7639 + 14.2174
cads: You can decrypt the existing operating system.
cads: To do that you read the bootstrap key.
cads: But once doing that, say you want to alter the code. You can't do that.
cads: For you cannot re-encrypt the code.
cads: there's a million ways to subvert either
cads: just burn some of the traces on the bootstrap chip and suddenly it loads your unencrypted code just fine
cads: ... assuming you have a scanning tunneling electron microscope lying around.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> implication is that this achieved something more than one can get by merely hashing & signing code. << fwiw i don't believe it does or could.
Jere_Jones: How does an exchange that implements stop losses prevent a large order from crashing the market? If a large order comes in and wipes out the orderbook past serveral stop losses, those sells get executed after the large order right? They don't get interwoven with the large order? Interwoven seems harder to do and/or incorrect and/or unethical. That means that a stop loss can't actually
Jere_Jones: stop a loss if the market is relatively shallow. Am I misunderstanding something?
mircea_popescu: stop losses are usually offered as a best-effort thing, not as a guarantee
benkay: is there a ranking of purely crypto exchanges by vol?
Jere_Jones: And they do get executed after the order that dropped the price? Not interwoven?
mircea_popescu: but if you "interwoven" on nyse the sec will put your head on a pike on columbus ave.
cads: asciilifeform: in that case couldn't we say the same of hashing? Although I admit. Putting the decryptor somewhere in the main flow of the system has panache, and I wouldn't be surprised if a similar approach hashing is a lot less natural.
benkay: dang asciilifeform you're a taskmaster
benkay: well hey some of us are unversed. you have depth in it.
cads: asciilifeform: I'm confused as to the sense in which the encryption algorithm cannot be derived from the encryption algorithm
cads: is this to say the encryption _key_, can not be derived from the decryption key?
cads: typically the decryption key allows us to derive the encryption key via number theoretic properties
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cads: anyone wanna see women cumming while reading books?
cads: like, actual passages of cool literature like clockwork orange, sitting fully dressed at a table, while something undeniable is going on /under/ the table
cads: ah, saw it already?
cads: I thought it was really cute
cads: I liked the essays too
cads: I felt a bit too vouyeristic while watching to watch all of them, but it was enjoyable
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cads: anyways - asciilifeform I understand that. Ie, say we have two functions F and G such that G(F(x)) = x and F(x) is in some sense independent of x. Then (F, G) is a basic kind of cryptosystem, where F is the encryption function and G is the decryption function. For us not to be able to derive F from G, G must be infeasible to invert. I believe F can be encryption with a public key (which in this case the designer will keep public),
cads: and G is decryption with the corresponding private key (which is included on the chip). It's a bit of an inversion of control of the intention of public key systems but it works for our purpose.
cads: The only detail I am not sure is about the private -> public derivability of the keys.
cads: I know bitcoin's scheme allows us to derive a public key from the private one, and that this is actually not typical.
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cads: asciilifeform: you say that we want the 'opposite' of rsa (public decrypt, private encrypt), but... this is just the same as giving the public the private key and keeping the public one secret.
benkay: thanks for that cads. babe and i just watched stoya's. a+
cads: wasn't it /amazing/?!
benkay: of course the woman's response is "i hate the essay!"
benkay: everything's part of the point i suppose
cads: I liked stoya's own account
ozbot: This Empty Love - InnerPartySystem - YouTube
cads: "Hysterical Literature is a video art series by NYC-based photographer and filmmaker Clayton Cubitt. It explores feminism, mind/body dualism, distraction portraiture, and the contrast between culture and sexuality. (It's also just really fun to watch.) "
cads: I'm questioning the feminist merit if only because I still enjoyed the work with a very male gaze :D
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cads: no, absolutely the same stoya
benkay: mircea_popescu: you're missing out on all sorts of context not at least sampling videos
cads: mircea_popescu: the idea is that an unpaid woman sits at a table and opens up a famous literary work she chose, begins to read a key passage, starts having and orgasm, continues trying to read, climaxes, and then closes the book and says "I'm ____ and this has been moby dick"
mircea_popescu: i'd guess about 35% of adult females can actually orgasm in the situation described.
mircea_popescu: but! that said orgasm distraction is certanly a fun game.
cads: Unseen under the table the photographer's lovely assistant is working away with the apparently supernaturally effect hitachi vibrator.
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cads: it takes dedication to do that
cads: The first volunteer is stoya the porn star
benkay: btw that mpex trade, like 74 btc?
benkay: just about a third of the rentalstarter ipo.
cads: we know she knows how to cum
cads: but the other volunteers are women that work in the arts
cads: one of the women is a museum curator
cads: and in their essays it's clear they feel they are helping make sexuality a less dirty, less manipulated thing
mircea_popescu: i wonder if giving these chicks a book and asking them to read is a legit pick-up now.
mircea_popescu: "i saw you on the internet. so here's le diable et le bon dieu, read for me."
cads: ah, the other thing
cads: despite being arguably non-pornographic (hosted, as it was, on youtube), the 9 videos in the series got 20 million views
cads: mixed reviews from the critics alternately called it an awesome work of feminism and art, or skeptically denounced it as 'porn, not art'.
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cads: wait were the faces edited over the actors'
cads: mircea_popescu: Bahaha.
cads: I'll leave it up to you to decide what type of logical fallacy you made by throwing Charlie Bit My Finger against the work of a singe avant garde fetish photographer. :D
mircea_popescu: cads no, you did. "the 9 videos in the series got 20 million views"
mircea_popescu: i merely showed how that idiocy reduces to the absurd.
cads: An average of 2 million views per video is an impressive metric for an internet personality.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a "view" and consequently nohing there to count.
cads: mircea_popescu is not impressed, guys
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cads: For the agents in an attention economy, those are important metrics.
mircea_popescu: nono, i'm impressed, deeply, just, there's nothing there to be impressive k ?
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cads: Okay, so lets start at the bottom. The claim there are no youtube views. Youtube clearly provides analytics on the number of visitors to a page. So are we saying these numbers are fabricated by youtube or third part 'view providers? Or that youtube views don't actually record how much attention someone payed to a video, whether they really watched it, etc.
mircea_popescu: cads i can make a webpage publishing arbitrary numbers.
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mircea_popescu: in fact back in the lycos/infoseek/geocities days most everyone did.
cads: In the second and first cases I would point out that marketing companies trust view statistics.
cads: So people pay for views and they're real.
mircea_popescu: they simply use that particular bezzle to defraud whoever's so inclined.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing particularly wrong with being a fraudster, i guess, until you end up believing your own crap.
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mircea_popescu: all this aside : putting "views" next to a number does not transform the number into a measure
cads: right, we must trust the entity measuring the views and the method of measuring them.
mircea_popescu: nor are you at liberty to imagine the symbol views denotes whatever definition you may happen to allocate it.
mircea_popescu: first and foremost we must agree these "views" are a thing.
cads: so with multiple servers serving the same content it becomes a nontrivial task to syncronize the correct number, first
mircea_popescu: all this dovetails neatly, of course, into our earlier kabbalah discussion,
mircea_popescu: but i would like to add the observation that according to the 1800s crowd, patent medicine was actually useful, actually valuable and actually working.
mircea_popescu: and its forbidding a serious abuse of the state power against individual sovereignity
mircea_popescu: a view which is actulaly getting a slight resurgence these days.
mircea_popescu: (promoted by interested parties, of course, which is to say scammors)
mircea_popescu: now the people who have no idea about electronics regularly buy whatever someone;s telling them to.
cads: mircea_popescu: at some level I feel you are saying that it absolutely does not matter that people spent an estimated 34 million minutes looking at this single artist's work, if only because we can't trust those estimates at all.
mircea_popescu: cads that is a slightly different discussion, and in no way related to "views".
mircea_popescu: and that different discussion i will appoach from the following different angle :
mircea_popescu: would you consider more important the mona lisa or an equally large, equally well made unknown painting certainly made by da vinci ?
mircea_popescu: the mona lisa people have spenbt 45804958609458609458609845045809845 minutes watching.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck sits in museums with a clicker doing cezanne vs caravaggio minutemanview competition ?
mircea_popescu: why not compare movies by the gross weight of tit watching them ?
cads: in the landscape of the possible human experience time is the only scarce resource, so if in /this/ universe people have spent more time experiencing the first art work, then I am willing to say this is more "important"
mircea_popescu: the oscars this year totals films watched by 48599 tons of tit fat.
mircea_popescu: so if i were to give you one of the two, you'd pick the mona lisa ?
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mircea_popescu: the people who do views have nothing else to do with their time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform slowly dieing out, like the email spammer.
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cads: mircea_popescu: I'm merely saying one work has influenced far more human experience, thoughts, and ultimately economic action.
mircea_popescu: except the point of art is that it doesn't work like commerce.
mircea_popescu: maybe the unseen painting also has. for what we know...
cads: art works like a popularity contest
cads: not a competition of provision of real valued, but a competition to earn human sentiment
ozbot: What is art ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: there, share it with the feminists, it'll make them like me, much to their detriment.
cads: I'm not going to argue what is art, I'm interested in how artists earn money, and I'm having a hard time believing that the amount of money that an artist earns does not _strongly_ correlate with the amount of attention that others give him.
cads: how can that claim be sustained?
mircea_popescu: the amount an artist earns strictly correlates with how powerful his lord is
cads: I can think of many artists that make livings working in larger studios
cads: for commercial work - entertainment, marketing, design
mircea_popescu: i can think of many ways people structure deals to avoid tax.
cads: these artists do /not/ recieve attention
cads: and they in fact do better than artists that try to make their living purely on their art
cads: which would seem to sustain the claim that earning do not correlate to attention
mircea_popescu: no matter how he tries to fake the pretense of being an actual artist.
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Namworld: This is the best thing ever...
cads: I think that's very cynical, and more of a moral issue.. do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to try to make a living as an artist?
mircea_popescu: do you think it's wrong or weak for someone to make a living as an electric engineer specialised in pottery ?
cads: what the fuck are you doing with yourself then :D
Namworld: What's the issue with someone making a living as an artist?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to read teh log, argument started centuries ago.
mircea_popescu: cads picture a chick showing up to the sky olympics with toothpics for sticks.
Namworld: Oh... well I guess few makes it.
Namworld: But "artist" encompass a lot of people and careers...
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the john is not a fool, he's buying something for his money.
cads: okay, so I understand, kabbalists and artists are our public enemy so lets not be impressed with them
ozbot: Pulp Fiction Bad Mother wallet restaurant scene Jules - YouTube
cads: in the same sense that we must never expound the virtues of a song about selling crack
cads: even if it is awesome and has done interesting things in the market :D
cads: I was being facetious.
cads: I want to talk about the econmics of how artists earn their sentiment, and we seem to feel that artists deserve only shitty sentiment because they're shysters that troll for a handout.
cads: And "click, whirr" the automatic thoughts now prevent us from applying economic modelling to this agent class
mircea_popescu: "jules, you give that fucking nimrod fifteen hundred dollars i'll shoot him on general principle" "now... I ain't giving it to him Vincent. I'm buyin' something for my money. Wanna know what I'm buyin' Ringo ?
mircea_popescu: cads you have no modelling, there is no economy and no sentiment. fugeddaboutit.
MisterE: we're just about to bring in the gimp I think
cads: hehe, this is how mircea_popescu and I say "I love you"
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cads: haha, and I'm basically arguing that we can make human attention fungible and this is a horror scenario because that means the marketing firms win.
mircea_popescu: you are arguing that people are interchangeable, which is broken in the way socialism generally is broken.
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mircea_popescu: that said, you can infinitely confuse yourself with "newer" and "never" repackagings of but wait look! i have built a perpetuum mobile, i have redressed socialism so now it works etc.
mircea_popescu: i have no objection to the activity, but it doth amuse on one hand and fail to entice o nthe other.
Namworld: I'm pretty sure my humans aren't fungible. Some of my subjects are worth more. They'd cost you more for me to be willing to depart with them.
cads: Suppose I have attempted to construct a system where my clients can pay well defined amounts of money to predictably add and remove beliefs from a group of people. It's worked - I've both started and ended revolutions, political movements, market crazes... in a number of countries.
cads: ehh, that scenario is too imaginary
cads: the scenario is too tacky to think about :D
ThickAsThieves: catching up on log, but cads, Cloud Atlas was pretty lame
mircea_popescu: he's like... trying to sniff emancipated, unshaven cunt
cads: the man has committed
copumpkin: yeah, I have an ascii art video player
copumpkin: works fine if you configure your terminal correctly
cads: hehe mircea_popescu you
copumpkin: not enough bandwidth for X forwarding of video
copumpkin: this thing isn't going to watch itself
mircea_popescu: buy a cozy and a ceramic bracelet on etzy while at it.
mircea_popescu: i just realised we could make a pretty decent -assets mockumentary
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cads: mircea_popescu: I will remember that people can make you reject any economic theory simply by saying the word "feminism" 10 minutes before presenting it :D
cads: not a surprise for a slave master to be the feminist of an internet bunch :D
B007: I got accused of being a feminist only once. By a girl.
chetty: current definition of term 'feminist' makes it an insult ya know :P
cads: I like some feminist stuff but I also like knockers
cads: in america at least, dudes that call themselves feminists are mostly women hating bro creeps hiding behind the label
cads: yeah it became a thing
mircea_popescu: i thought us male feminists were mostly... you know, dudes that can't otherwise date.
cads: right it has become rapey bros
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cads: hey I'm a shy marginally autistic repressed twentysomething!
cads: what are ya getting at! :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm the sort of feminist that torns irigaray to shreds because she's too stupid to live and gives a bad name to the entire thing.
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cads: there's this neat defense
cads: "It wasn't rape. I'm a feminist"
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cads: a man will rape a woman and then claim what happened could not have been rape. He's a feminist.
cads: He loves women. He's DONE things for the cause. How can this cunt thing he fucking raped her?
mircea_popescu: would this be one of those ambiguous episode kids get involved in that are currently mislabeled as "rape" in the us ?
mircea_popescu: such as get drunk at party, fuck, don't remember much in the morning ?
nicknock_: well if you feel regret you can always dump a rape charge at the guy
cads: mircea_popescu: hey, cute pic, if I cross my eyes I can almost see her in 3d :D
mircea_popescu: is "gender is a social construct" supposed to excuse her lack of heels or something ?
mircea_popescu: cads yeah the grandiose photochop job is better than the girl.
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BingoBoingo: I still have to decide what to get myself.
BingoBoingo: Maybe? I'll probably just get myself some scotch.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu>buy a cozy and a ceramic bracelet on etzy while at it.
mircea_popescu: i will never know why they eschewed naming the thing chintzy
chetty: actually rape is a social construct then - no gender = no rape :P
BingoBoingo: Chintzy might be a good name for a BTC etsy.
mircea_popescu: guy walks into a bank "hell-o, i'd like to open a checking account"
mircea_popescu: "what for ? you look like one of those bums with delusions of academia"
cads: "Lack game? Try this formula: mention x feminist theorist, y lamentation about political issue that attacks women’s rights, z assertion about sexual consent. That tactic alone may work on someone, and that’s utterly scary."
cads: "In my ideal world, the misogynists would be ultra-detectable, with facial pocks and sulfury odors and grunt “wiggle your glazed donut ass for me.” "
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mircea_popescu: nm, Minh Nguyen fails to be hot and therefore her rambling is irrelephant.
cads: hehe, you are a parody of yourself :)
cads: the universe has a human parody operator and you are its fixpoint :)
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
cads: I feel for what she says, and I think she's naive in only one thing
cads: her two male paradongs of perfect sexism free maleness
mircea_popescu: if i were surounded by douchy us twennysomething as a woman young enough to wish to get laid... frankly i dunno i'd find the time to write
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mircea_popescu: what with all the reload flamethrower, throw away empty fuel cartridge, reload flamethrower...
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves, Bunnyh just got email from Luke-Jr, patch seems good, hope it helps
mircea_popescu: this however has nothing to do with sexism, feminism, cultural, social, constructs and so forth.
cads: btw who is the originator of the social construct BS?
cads: it's... essentially right but leads people to conclude what is merely a social construct doesn't actually exist so it should be possible in /theory/ to completely dispell that what was a construct.
cads: with another construct
cads: but more often with "the truth", at least if you dig at it.
mircea_popescu: it leads people to imagine that it was "constructed", which is a pedestrian interpretation of the term of art,
mircea_popescu: and thus simultaneously casts blame, upon the politically convenient targets of ostracism (ie, actual males, actual females, anyone not fucktarded)
cads: right, the builders
mircea_popescu: and offers a seeming basis for further nuttery (ie, that a "better" construct could be constructed. on etsy.)
mircea_popescu: it's really just a slightly more iq-amped way of being emo.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the entirety of what passes for "social sciences" in the us these days can broadly be divided without remained into the emo ("i am special because i am chiefly only interested in myself and let me tell you about myself which is important because i am special bla bla bla")
mircea_popescu: and goffy, which is "look at all the neat shit i don't understand that i've randomly collected mostly by breaking old stuff apart with a hammer"
cads: and the creepy, "look we can predict crimes before they happen by monitoring unsent drafts on facebook"
mircea_popescu: one of the funniest things to watch is a goffy and an emo chick being interested in the same dood.
cads: cazalla: you DON'T see that
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cads: but you know it's there
cazalla: i use to have an LJ back in the day :P
mircea_popescu: i never did but i read some of my slaves' ljs from back in the day
cazalla: met a girl on there, thought she would have sex with me if i made an LJ too, gee how naive
cads: jesus why the fuck can't we have distributed publicly owned web service assets?!
cads: People use LJ for private journals because it has privacy controls
cads: till their incompetent IT department leaks the firm's key hash database
benkay: wow pankkake venus is some brilliance
benkay: holy fucknuggets venus is illmatic
benkay: makes me want to run my own aggregation channel
benkay: or curate a republication of a bunch of feeds
benkay: no no no kid focus focus kid there are far more important things
ozbot: Planet Venus source code
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benkay: but man you know what else sucks? my rss story.
benkay: solution is not to implement venus actually but to fix rss in emacs
benkay: which i totally have time to and will do in the next decade
benkay: i'm going to go design a thing. computers suck.
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mircea_popescu: anyone care to help me build a sorted list of politically incorrect english words ?
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dub: as a nigger I don't find it offensive, not a faggot so hard to judge
ozbot: Blog-Mahoney: The two most hurtful words in the English language
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo its not that i want a long or exhaustive list,
mircea_popescu: i want it sorted. the internet is full of ambigfuous list. i want to see the fucking impolite middle class.
Duffer1: race based are some of the most loaded atm
chetty: I don't think it can be done, hurt is very sujective
Duffer1: especially those regarding black people and mexicans
chetty: haha 'commie', long ago. Now I think its a compliment
benkay: i use commie as an insult. it confuses people.
ThickAsThieves: "Gypped" is arguably the most commonly used racist term in existence today.
mircea_popescu: benkay it's always nice to yell when joining a large group "You pinko commie bastards!!!" with lively excitement
BingoBoingo: Some are more and less offensive on different sides of the atlantic. Spaz is fine in 'Murica and a Offensive in Britain. Cunt is the reverse (except when dealing with slants as a full rotation is out of the picture)
mircea_popescu: those 5 seconds while they try to decide if you're about to mow them down or it's a really funny joke are priceless.
benkay: yeah plus you get such great intel about all of them from their reactions i bet
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: In these parts I actually hear Jew'd about as often as Gyp'd
ThickAsThieves: yeah i think more people use gyp cuz they arent quite sure if its an insult
BingoBoingo: I almost forgot Guinea was a slur, fucking I-talians
mircea_popescu: you like rap, dub likes dubstep, everyone with his own thing.
BingoBoingo: They even use guinea as a slur in The Godfather.
BingoBoingo: Maybe the French weren't big fans of the Dagos.
mircea_popescu: except the sicilians have to this day a female slavery programme goin
mircea_popescu: (fun fact : before the dutch started paying better, the black people were exporting slaves exclusively east, to yemen and other arabs)
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: not sure you're involvement, but the change herbijudlestoids mentioned is merged now
ThickAsThieves: my ancestors probly played a decent role in all that, being azorean
ozbot: Black Moor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
benkay: sicilian female slavery??
ThickAsThieves: "Tina Maze of Slovenia and Dominique Gisin of Switzerland finished the women's downhill event with the exact same time"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15802 @ 0.00087054 = 13.7563 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Baystreet.ca - ACCESSWIRE
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Exchange ‘Hitbtc’ Launches February 14th after $3M Investment
cads: mircea_popescu: I did some reasearch about charlie bit me - turns out the advertising revenue (~$100K) let the father buy a new house.
mircea_popescu: whoa look at that, 600mn "views" yielded almost 100 btc.
gribble: (estimate takes no arguments) -- Shows next difficulty estimate.
gribble: The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 0.000191846212759 BTC per day and 7.9935921983e-06 BTC per hour.
cads: "At one point in time, their father Howard Davies-Car stressed that he didn't want to commercialize on the boy's success but realized that unlicensed merchandise was being sold based on their video.[9] In response to requests from viewers online the family created "Charlie Bit My Finger" T-shirts, mugs and limited edition calendars.[2][31]"
gribble: The expected generation output, at 4.4e+11 Mhps, given difficulty of 2621404453.06, is 84412.3336141 BTC per day and 3517.18056725 BTC per hour.
cads: and it's this next part that makes it seem completely scifi to me:
cads: "The family signed into a partnership with a video management company called Viral Spiral. Viral Spiral, a video management company specializing in viral videos, has helped place the video in advertisements for companies like Sprint and helped to create a brand.[23][32] There was also news of a web series featuring the boys in the works.[33]
cads: An app called "Charlie Bit Me!!!" was created for Apple and Android devices, developed by Viral Spiral and zGames.[34]"
benkay: barely put any effort in...
benkay: "hit by the brandhammer"
mircea_popescu: policeman sees guy pissing on a fencepost. "da fuck are you doing!" "branding"
mircea_popescu: "honey tonight i'll brand the fuck out of your vagina." "and then i brandished it into her again"
cads: speaking of memes turning into brands
cads: wtf is up with dogecoin?!
ThickAsThieves: i suspect doge is owned by way less people than they appear
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripples Litecoin Peercoin DogeCoin Nxt Mastercoin C
BingoBoingo: If Doges are so great, why doesn't Sochi want them?
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how much money he'll pump in before he gives up
ozbot: Twitter / maxkeiser: Feels like a #maxcoin buy-program ...
cads: "An alternative cryptocurrency disrupting the already rather disrupting crypto market. MaxCoin Donations: mPQERLaEVcj1cMSMX5tyCcCdBeZCkm6GEK "
cads: youre just trying to disrupt my wallet
cads: Ah so when were prophets ever anything but shysters
cads: max has his followers
cads: the only bad thing is I did not do it
cads: Max Keiser @maxkeiser 10h
cads: Financial regulators in US/UK and elsewhere want Bitcoin to stoop to their level, but it can't: it's not built that way.
cads: this guy is awesome
cads: this is a shyster and a hustler
ThickAsThieves: lol he also says "Saturday nights on Twitter a bit like streets of Paris in mid-August; nothing but drunks, homeless fools and drooling freaks."
cads: "America's Most Outrageous Political Pundit"
cads: ThickAsThieves: lol
cads: but I'm not sure how long
ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization
benkay: "start out crazy long shots, end up nailbiters"
ozbot: BitBet - Pussy Riot to announce tour dates before Feb 15th
benkay: there's some money in that dump
cads: I dunno if there will be any touring for pussy riot
cads: that just kicked out the two members that actually did time for the group
cads: because they want to remain an anonymous collective if criminals
cads: I dunno, political suicide in either case imo
mircea_popescu: sadly, they were visibly stupid and never got promoted much
ThickAsThieves: there was the pretty one, the lesbian one, and the frizzy mommy
cads: I mean they could have gone around the world singing "Virgin Mary, put Putin away" and people would have loved it
cads: and the world would heap even more pressure and loathing on russia
cads: maybe they felt this would mean nothing
mircea_popescu: wait, is the pussy riot the ukrainian bunch or the russian bunch ?
cads: remember the russian girls that got arrested for holding an illegal concert on the stairs of the orthodox church
mircea_popescu: "Femen stole our tits, so we have to take it in the ass now"
cads: ThickAsThieves: I love how us bitcoin analysts use such powerful technical indicators as... rocket ships :)
cads: although I won't doubt its persuasive power
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.123925 = 0.4957 BTC [-] {2}
cads: oh you guys do know that at one point english writing spelled the S sound with an F
cads: Hence "Femen stole our voice"
cads: is a naughty statement
Namworld: A friend of a friend wants to film me eating one of the hottest peppers in the world. If I don't die, he'll try it himself. What?
cads: femen is a feminist group waging things such as a "topless jihad"
cads: Namworld: your friend is an evil bastard
cads: since I'm an evil bastard I encourage you to follow his heed!
Namworld: No. Me and my friends are evil bastards. I'll act like it's nothing and then we'll see his reaction.
cads: semen stole our voice. all we could make was gargling sounds
Namworld: I already tasted stuff ranked ~1 million on the Scoville scale without flinching.
Namworld: I'll make it look like it's nothing.
cads: Namworld: is there any way you can license the video for distribution to -assets?
cads: also your bastard friend's wimpy reaction :D
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo once btc goes up enough i guess you'll have to graduate from pens to peppers.
Namworld: The guy asked my friend because he needed someone to try before him. My friend proposed me, because he thought it would be fun. =P
Namworld: It was my understanding the guy wanted to put it on youtube.
mircea_popescu: cads that guy looks like the vagina dentata bit his finger.
cads: his expression is hilarious
cads: hell yea! it looks like this girl just uppercutted the fuck out of this old man
cads: Truth: "A man kicks a topless Femen activist, as she raises her fist to protest against Islamists in front of the Great Mosque of Paris"
cads: I like the original interpretation
cads: it might be self selection bias but I notice none of these topless warriors are ugly - they're mostly slim and perky
ozbot: Femen Stages a 'Topless Jihad' - In Focus - The Atlantic
cads: this officer looks like he's seen some shit and this takes the cake 15
cads: A man kicks a topless Femen activist, as she raises her fist to protest against Islamists in front of the Great Mosque of Paris
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00086877 = 1.1294 BTC [-]
cads: hey, has anyone studied Kolmogorov's classic "Foundations of Probability Theory"?
cazalla: at least they are against mudslimes
cads: "[..]"attention bonds," small warranties that some information will not be a waste of the recipient's time placed into escrow at the time of sending[..]"
cads: "receivers could cash in their bonds to signal to the sender that a given communication was a waste of their time or elect not to cash them in to signal that more communication would be welcome."
cads: this is a proposed system for reducing spam
cads: can we do this with bitcoin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9484 @ 0.00087274 = 8.2771 BTC [+] {2}
cads: If you wanna comment on my blog, or drop a message in my website's inbox, say, you must give to an escrow
mircea_popescu: mail server automatically rejects all email that doesn't come with btc.
cads: then at any time I can exercise the right to claim the credits to punish spammers and trolls
cads: I dare not claim the credits of any valued readers
cads: lest my readership diminish
cads: it would be harder to implement for email but much easier for personal websites
mircea_popescu: the trilema credits system seems quite sufficient really.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9079 @ 0.00086793 = 7.8799 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00086659 = 5.6328 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: never put into the blockchain that which you can handle on your own machines.
cads: drunk white redneck at an intersection next to a car full of black teenagers playing their music loud. Man starts arguing with the kids about the music, gets out of car. Argument ensues, man takes out gun an fires into the car. one kid is dead, the others uninjured.
cads: at trial the man's defense is that the kid menaced him with a gun. No gun is found at the scene and the defense argues that it is the state's burden to prove the gun was there.
cads: The jury convicts him on 3 counts of second degree attempted murder for the passengers
cads: and a count of firing into a vehicle
cads: but cannot come to a decision on the first degree murder charge against kid
cads: the judge instructs them that they may choose a lesser charge - 2nd degree, or manslaughter
cads: but they hang and a mistrial is declared
cads: this is a case for a shooting that happening in florida while the zimmerman trial/circus was going on
cads: a man named micheal dunn
cads: slimy looking redneck fuck if there was one...
Namworld: Looks like media can't cover stuff properly once again?
cads: Namworld: what you mean you're in the US?
cazalla: cads: you mean where they take a mugshot, which is likely the white mans worst day alive juxaposed with the nigras best day?
cads: fuck yourself cazalla of course they
cads: what sort of stupid question is that
cads: in the zimmerman trial you saw juxtapositions of zimmerman looking all wellkempt next to trayvon looking like a thug on one media source
cads: and pictures of trayvon a couple years younger looking angelic, next to zimmerman looking like a pile of crap
cads: every black kid is a thug
cads: Namworld: you think this is international news?
cads: I don't see what would have made it hard to find him guilty of manslaughter
cazalla: cads: he came from a broken home, was wandering the streets at night, dealing drugs, it was only a matter of time until it happened
benkay: i kinda begin to see why satoshi banged the client like he did
benkay: banged the client *out*
cads: I also wonder if the other kids in the car would have had opportunity to hide the weapon
cazalla: not that i care for zimmerman but given the media made it a black vs white issue and that black on white violence is the real issue, i can't help but smile to see him 6 foot under
cads: if /my/ shooter just got killed
cads: the least I can do for him is take his tool
cads: and hide it from the cops
cads: give him some dignity, you know?
benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: odds on the satoshi hoard moving to an unspendable address?
cazalla: perhaps they should listen to their music without disturbing the peace of others?
cazalla: there is nothing more rude than someone who plays their music within earshot of others and is oblivious to just how poor their taste is
cads: cazalla: but listen to yourself blithely say "well maybe they shouldn't annoy people", juxtaposed with the fact that a child was slaughtered.
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cads: if white kids annoyed people and some black dude did the deed what would happen
cazalla: it's too late to complain your loud music draws attention after the fact
Namworld: I mean zimmerman case was probably too covered vs other cases.
Namworld: I'm not in the US and I've heard about it.
cazalla: zimmerman was just a cheap shot at whites, anti-racism meaning anti-white type crap
cazalla: the perp need not even be white to make it a black vs white issue these days
cazalla: which is why i have little sympathy for shot up black hoodlums, they do a good enough job of killing each other than we don't even need to string them up these days
cazalla: (and i think i've had enough port for this evening)
cads: so we have racists in the channel?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5418 @ 0.00087293 = 4.7295 BTC [+]
Namworld: I'll avoid voicing an opinion on a case I know little about.
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <davout> 2015 -> "intern accidentally deletes mpex"
cads: the worst part about these cases is when you see these men become heros to these lowbrow whitefuk rednecks here stateside
cads: they want to be like zimmerman
cads: they CAN'T WAIT to put a slug in a nigger
cads: to do that and get away with it
cads: don't tell me it wouldn't fucking thrill you, cazalla
cads: to kill a little punk pygmy that's threating YOUR life
ozbot: The Letter Third pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
cazalla: it's a cheap thrill, i don't really care tbh, it occurs far away from me with people of which there are very few where i reside
cads: so killing someone to you is a "cheap thrill"
cads: but meh, you don't really care about it
cazalla: why are you so invested when 2 idiots find themselves in a situation no sensible person would, where 1 of them will die
cads: I mean ideally both idiots would be punished - one is already dead, and the other needs to get his. Not for some moral reason. Only to deter further idiots.
cazalla: why are you not up in arms about the countless nigras being shot up by other nigras, why are you so focused on zimmerman? because he is portrayed as white and it's in the media? i think that's the only reason
cads: when a black person shoots a black person he goes to jail
mircea_popescu: cads or maybe he should get a reward for punishing one idiot.
cads: these are children we're talking about.
mircea_popescu: you know a black idiot being punished for being an idiot isn't therefore being punished for being black.
cads: without leaving a trace
cads: legally a teenager is a child until 17 or 18
cazalla: you're being facetious now
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cads: I actually consider even 22 year olds to be kids
cads: because they still think like fucking kids
cads: if that's true try talking to one about a 401k
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cazalla: cads my point is this, a bunch of black teens driving around in an 82 corolla (thinking it's a 64 impala) blasting some rap music is going to attract the wrong type of attention, white man was stupid to react to it but this is how the world works
mircea_popescu: a particular facility to being taken advantage by the government is no particular qualification of maturity.
cads: my dad works 10 hour shifts
cads: he's too hardy for a 401k
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cads: cazalla: that's not making a point, that's the standard argument
cazalla: well quit suggesting they are innocent and share no blame in their own death
cazalla: it's like women who dress slutty and cry rape, you can't step into a lions cage and then complain he ate you
mircea_popescu: what if she was dressed like a slut specifically for me ?
cazalla: if you extend that license to me, yes
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mircea_popescu: that'd be a sight, rapist obtaining prior permission from the male owner of the slut.
mircea_popescu: "yoiur honor, this wasn't rape. i asked some guy if it's ok."
cads: add a transaction to the mix and you have a pimp
cazalla: if you grant permission but it's rape, surely you are not the owner
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i hear that's why the trezor kid got shot.
mircea_popescu: and the nigger went "dude it smelled good! if you didn't want me to eat it
mircea_popescu: and he got acquitted because the jury found the arguments unsavory.
cads: lesson is that women just need to start shooting their rapists
mircea_popescu: in that you know... the guy was trying to shoot it up her ?
mircea_popescu: they just need an environment in which they feel safe and secure.
cads: I do like to harass bigots though
cads: it's my own form of bigotry
cazalla: i was just about to ask that.. why are you bigotted against bigots
chetty: bah you guys got no clue about rape
cazalla: btw cads, i'm fine with black people i have an acquataince with, it's the ones i don't that i'm suspect of, more so than whites i don't know
cads: you think that if a black person is walking 40 feet behind me on a sidewalk, or if a white person is walking 40 feet behind me on a sidewalk, I don't prefer to be in the latter situation?
cads: even a black person prefers that
cazalla: but that doesn't bother me
chetty: rape has nothing to do with sex - you confuse the issues
mircea_popescu: it seriously makes no difference to me. wtf difference does it make ?
cads: chetty: I later realized that the women are also physically threatened and harmed/killed during rape
cads: (I was a kid when I wondered that)
mircea_popescu: hence my comment, re "they can and they do, provided they have a safe environment in which to enjoy it"
cazalla: what difference does it make?
cazalla: or is that directed at cads
mircea_popescu: i noticed this before, too, us people are fucking weird.
cazalla: i don't like foreigners coming into my country and upsetting the WASP ratio
cads: we'll argue for the joy of arguing
cazalla: if i get to know them on a 1 to 1 level, that's OK
cads: we're not particularly mean to each other even when we're insulting :D
mircea_popescu: i get in a bus, i sit with the black people, white people are all giving me wtf is this ?!?! looks
cads: cazalla: right, that's how I am too
cazalla: i'd happily chant for the random black person to be shot, shout obscentities and then invite the black neighbour over for a bbq same day
cazalla: we don't really have black people in australia anyway
mircea_popescu: the only sane conclusion is that you've paid about 100x too much attention to this race thing.
cazalla: yeah, reading too much /pol/ lately
mircea_popescu: da fuck difference does it make, even if you were in fucking somalia
cazalla: yes i'm sure everyone is friendly to strangers in mogadishu
cads: cazalla: the thing about that is that is that's really some fuckshit, that's like having a gay friend over for a barbeque on saturday and secretly picketing with "GOD HATES FAGS" signs in sunday
cads: who would your friend think you were if he knew?
cads: if you don't really give a fuck what you fag ass friend thinks, what kind of friend can he be?
mircea_popescu: maybe scribble a Why So Srs on the back of the sign just in case you run into people you know.
cazalla: cads: because he isn't a stranger
mircea_popescu: a great friend, inasmuch as you don't give a shit what he thinks on retarded topics
mircea_popescu: it will encourage him to spend more time thinking of better stuff.
cads: what I'm saying is that how would he feel about his friend being part of a cause that is out to menace him and people like him?
cazalla: cads: case in point, my wife has a gay friend + indian (immigrant) to boot! i don't like degenerate faggots or immigrants but i don't mind him coming over for dinner, holding my son etc, strange huh
cads: cazalla: that's not strange, that's human
mircea_popescu: cazalla that's only because he's not fingering your son yet.
cads: there's that, neh :P
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i keep a close eye on him, don't you worry about that
cazalla: he is never with my son unsupervised
cazalla: and baby monitor is good excuse to listen to all conversation going on in the loungeroom anyway
cads: make sure you get the first impression
mircea_popescu: it just struck me about 500 people will be reading this log sunday morning with a hangover
cazalla: baby shits everywhere so it isn't a problem
punkman: what kind of trollbox did I walk into
cazalla: i've had a bottle of tawny port so i'm just about done
cads: eh cazalla you're arrite
punkman: no hangover, but drinking shall commence in 5 min
cads: I offer something SJWs can't
cazalla: anyone who runs to the defense of unnamed blacks and supposed rape victims is suspect to me
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cads: and freedom from sin!
mircea_popescu: cazalla maybe he just hasn't gotten laid in a really long time
cazalla: maybe i haven't.. fucking kid and breast feeding :\
cazalla: i swear to god i never knew breast feeding could fuck up a good pair of tits in 5 weeks
cazalla: "don't touch them" "they are too sensitive" "no i'm still sore from pregnancy for sex" "i'm tired" etc etc
cazalla: nah, gonna go to a gentlemans room soon
cads: and spank something else
mircea_popescu: what's the point of having gentlemen's rooms in australia ?
cazalla: no-one wants saggy tits with sour milk stained shirt :\
cazalla: although our son seems to love em
cazalla: we had plenty of sex prior to pregnancy and birth
cazalla: cads: he has blue eyes and blonde hair btw, couldn't be prouder
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cads: a handsome young Aryan I'm sure
cads: cazalla: you're a new dad? congrats
jurov: congrats, too. but don't spoil him :)
cazalla: that'll depend on bitcoin over the years to come
cazalla: i'll be sure to tell him to check his bitcoin privilege
cazalla: it is interesting that when sober, i only lurk/read
cazalla: few drinks and i spew all sorts of bullshit :\
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32887 @ 0.00087355 = 28.7284 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Internet troll personality study: Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, sadism.
cads: heck, I have all of the dark tetrad
cads: and you know the best trolls honestly think they're not trolling
cads: blah the article blatantly ignores the self reporting bias in requiring trolls to identify as trolls
cads: but it's significant that self identifying trolls still scored horribly
cads: so while some trolls may have hiden themselves the real blatant ones decided "fuck, lets troll this test"
jurov: but really, do any non-narcissistic, well-aligned, non-machhiavellistic people exist?
jurov: afaik if they do, then they only lurk
cads: I dunnno I think trolls are free riders
cads: if you're a sadist you need to pay for your entertainment like the rest us
cads: trolls will be ejected from the dialog space soon.
cads: and will come back with more refined tactics
jurov: since when the sadists must pay?
mircea_popescu: <cads> so while some trolls may have hiden themselves the real blatant ones decided "fuck, lets troll this test" << what the fuck does slate know.
mircea_popescu: “debating issues that are important to you,” “chatting with others,” “making new friends,” “trolling others,” and “other.”
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cads: I have sent people to shock websites for the lulz.
cads: I like to troll people in forums or the comments section of websites.
cads: The more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt.
mircea_popescu: "hi r retarded" "hi i am 12 and where does dildo go ?" "sanity" and "other"
cads: some people actually agree with such statements
cads: those three lines I posted were from the slate article
cads: as examples of troll sentiments
cads: I've been sending people to goatse.cx since I was 13
cads: not lots of people, mostly friends
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cads: I like trolling particularly bad arguments on, god help me, facebook and youtube comments
cads: and who doesn't love corrupting the innocent?
cads: beh fuck your guys' face with y'all white people acronyms
mircea_popescu: "Once upon a time, there was an enchanted prince, who ruled the land beyond the wobbles. One day, he discovered a spot on his face. Foolishly, he ignored it...and three years later, he died of cancer. The spot, however, flourished, and soon set out to seek its fortune."
cads: "The game is essentially an abstract synthesis of all arts and sciences. It proceeds by players making deep connections between seemingly unrelated topics."
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Namworld: In Canada, people don't seem to care about immigrants. They all mix like it doesn't matter. I overheard someone at my old job say how he liked it so much more here than in the US because people weren't looking at him and less discrimination or something.
Namworld: Yet it doesn't seem like there's much difference between US and Canada to me in the culture.
cads: well there's a big difference even across the US
Namworld: Yes, guess it depends on the area.
Namworld: I'm in Montreal. I suppose that has some good on what I experience.
cads: wanna see a heat map of the geotagged tweets in the US using the word "nigger" in a negative sentiment?
cads: the data was normalized according to total twitter traffic
cads: lemme find the actual interactive map
cads: that lets you see the geography of all sorts of slurs
Namworld: Would be nice to have a population map too to put that in perspective.
mircea_popescu: fascinating : exactly the areas where black people live.
mircea_popescu: cads how would you trust the negative sentiment detection ?
cads: mircea_popescu: they paid students to manually code the statements for sentiment
cads: a little flaky but much better than automated sentiment detection, imo
cads: hopefully they blinded the kids enough to the geographic location that at least the overall shape is right
cads: mircea_popescu: actually
cads: the hate is /outside/ where blacks live
cads: in little pods that correspond to high class suburbs or medium density rural
cads: and it drops off dramatically in the west, even for populated centers
cads: ie, LA has little proportion of the twitter bandwidth dedicated to "nigger"
mircea_popescu: your penny an hour students simple aren't sufficiently intellectually perverse to pick up on californian negative sentiment
cads: it would be hard to false positive a negative example of "nigger" :D
cads: there are a couple slurs in there like gook that are distributed in ways that seem completely arbitrary
cads: I thought it was a jibe :)
cads: you're saying racist sentiment from white californians simply won't use the word 'nigger'
cads: which I'd grant you ten fold :D
cads: and indeed, this test has no way to protect against that
cads: hehe, the redneck that's been arguing against me on this one will enjoy your theory
cads: maybe it's better to be surrounded by idiots that yell slurs than by smooth talking devils in suits
cads: one can take the latter group as chumps
cads: and lead them around by nose rings
cads: maybe not so for californians!
mircea_popescu: my experience with racism is that it's usually the problem of the people concerned with it.
cads: people affected by it mostly don't understand how it affects them
mircea_popescu: mno. people who spend a lot of time thinking about it end up being fucking weird.
mircea_popescu: people who couldn't care less generally aren't a problem to anyone.
mircea_popescu: i would say that your average "sensitive" idiot is about twice as noxious as your average "racist".
cads: I do like to bait them :P
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cads: keep in mind I and my brothers grew up here with a crappy accent as the cabbage eating weird kids that got picked on for our religion and culture
cads: remember romania is the mexico of europe to americans.
cads: so I've got some well placed hate for bigots and I'm okay with that for now
mircea_popescu: i don't think any us citizen alive today could pick out a romanian from a line-up if his anal virginity depended on it
mircea_popescu: and you got picked out for being socially awkward and sexually unconvincing, not for "culture"
cads: I'm not talking about in my adolescence, I'm talking about as a kid
cads: just kids and neighborhood bullies really
mircea_popescu: so other kids. socially awkward and sexually unconvincing.
mircea_popescu: what, you think sexual traits suddenly manifest at 18 ?
cads: well obviously socially ackward
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00087575 = 8.3634 BTC [+]
cads: that's the fucking point, you're acting like people can't fucking treat socially ackward people with some fucking respect
cads: and I know that's false
cads: since people more or less treat me with respect despite my ackwardness
cads: I mean, a black kid in an all white classroom will be ackward. A boy with a vaganapenis will be ackward. A girl that wears a headdress is going to feel ackward.
mircea_popescu: just because people have meanwhile stopped giving a shit about you and your overall health and well being doesn't mean the people that used to care were wrong.
cads: why does it have to be an overburdening feeling though?
mircea_popescu: it's just meanwhile you live in a different sort of society, which is dispersed and disinterested.
cads: so by your counsel, would it have been up to the slaves to accept the burden, and would it have been your advice simply improve morale till the situation changes or you're lynched.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it is up to whoever to live his life, as his life is, rather than derp about how it should be.
mircea_popescu: i get it, everyone's special and dragons and the wrong gender and in the wrong time and insufficiently lottery winning.
cads: so if someone is slandering you do you "derp about how it should be" or do you taking fucking recourse?
cads: or do you... "live your life" while your reputation is slandered?
mircea_popescu: well you may be inclined to review my record as the most slandered guy in the history of btc :)
cads: and take no offense or defense
Namworld: Had that in primary, living in the suburbs. Black kid in all white classroom. Had very few black people for the whole school.
cads: mircea_popescu: if I ever rape you in an alley one day you will limp back home, paste your asshole back together with some dabs of superglue and then tell no one and seek no revenge.
Namworld: Can't seem to recall any awkwardness to it.
cads: with that philosophy I can have you asshole when I want.
cads: that's the philosophy you want opressed kids to take
cads: well that's my point, you have built in recourse and you know how to exercise it
cads: you say you have it because you deserve it
cads: but you have it because you've been handed it
mircea_popescu: and if i have a business i didn't build that business ?
cads: you're saying if you were a nigger guinea you would have mpex.
cads: right, for the first thing you'd probably have been born in africa.
cads: good luck from that start.
mircea_popescu: i'd have been pretty much the same born whenever and wherever.
cads: born into the family of a destitute mother that couldn't feed you properly the first few years of your life?
cads: born into the family that lived in bitter poverty and taught you to take everything you can from the dole?
mircea_popescu: what makes you think i coud have been born to a destitute mother that couldn't feed me properly ?
cads: the part that really gets me is not that you can't imagine yourself as an average black person, weighted down with the average viral meme load and nonsense beliefs about finance and law and white people and everyone being out to get you
mircea_popescu: why am i not an average romanian weighted down with the average viral meme load and nonsense belief romanias get ?
mircea_popescu: what, you think blacks invented stupidity or soemthing ?
cads: but mostly that you think someone of your talent would get to the same place in life no matter what initial condition
mircea_popescu: i dunno who buys it, but judging by how often it needs to be repeated i would guess no one
cads: mircea_popescu: because you're not sampled from the sample space of romanians. You're sampled from the sample space of humans. You need to be concerned about the average expected outcome of humans if only because that's essential to collaborative solutions to problems.
mircea_popescu: you're a clever guy, you know at least the basics of where statistics is meaningfully usable and where it isn't.
cads: hrm, is there no revolutionary effort you will have joined simply because you disagree with the way things are for a group of people you care about?
mircea_popescu: i have been at the forefront of fucking revolutionary effort lol.
mircea_popescu: that's the difference, i speak of things i know, you speak of things you dream and imagine. unflattering as that may sound.
cads: yeah that's a criticism I don't take lightly.
cads: and you can stop with any further expounding of that line now.
cads: the closes to that is some underground cryptoanarchist stuff and some occupy bullshit, nothing with a gun.. yet, neh?
mircea_popescu: ok so then, if it's not your experience, why is it your preoccupation ?
cads: both efforts fell apart into violence and fighting with nothing I could do
cads: I mean, I went to rallies, I marched on board meetings, it was fun
cads: two friends in the 'movement' got into a fight at a rally
mircea_popescu: yes yes but my objection here is that you allow surogates to populate your mental forest.
cads: and police descended on them, broke bones, femur, put them in the hospital
mircea_popescu: a revolution is when you break the bones of the police
mircea_popescu: this is the key aspect here. not that there is violence,
mircea_popescu: but that the only limit to the violence is your own consicence.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, everyone can go straight off to the guillotine.
cads: maybe I'll adress the mental forest thing, since I don't think you're entirely wrong, and I know it.
chetty: careful, MP's strange ideas grow on you
cads: it's the classic romanian "you know theory but you don't know practice" attack "o ai cu teoria. Dar practica te omoare." classic because every romanian has heard it from every other romanian they know, in one situation or another.
cads: Righteous Lecturing is actually Romania's official national past time, as I'm sure MP would acknowledge from his experiences with family, teachers, politicians, etc. :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00087589 = 4.0291 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14351 @ 0.00087531 = 12.5616 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12256 = 0.6128 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: you are Romanian too cads?
cads: obviously not by choice :)
cads: how about you? what's your culture?
chetty: haha well I guess Romanain by choice would work - at least for the moment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC
cads: I just saw lawrence fishbourne do a Kia commercial in his Morpheus charachter!
cads: Had two sets of keys, one in each hand
cads: he was a valet for christ sakes, and offers the driver the choice of two keys
cads: the driver picks the kia. the matrix is real.
chetty: course it is, was there ever any doubt?
cads: chetty: as if the second and third movies were not progressively worse scams, I am just hoping we don't see neo dodging... bad insurance quotes or something...
cads: let me keep at least /some/ piece of media holy and pure in my thoughts, I say!
chetty: I never watch sequels ..or TV, bad for your health (mental)
cads: ^ this is a rapidly fading desire
cads: I've learned to stop caring and throw myself into the long tail without any exterior curator
cads: future shock is a bitch sometimes though
cads: chetty: I mostly watch commericals, sound turned off, to study the visual rhetoric
cads: kinda perverse, I know... I don't do this much... stuff like the superbowl, or when I'm chilling on the couch with friends watching something
cads: I sanitize all the advertisements from my internet experience though, and get the large majority of my AV content from pirate channels
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00087549 = 18.9544 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.3295, Best ask: 252.6, Bid-ask spread: 2.27050, Last trade: 249.47, 24 hour volume: 78979.07331245, 24 hour low: 247.0, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 333.23091
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 248.5, vol: 78869.04776296 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 633.0, vol: 16702.98226469 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 600.9, vol: 10841.20438 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 636.3, vol: 9196.50560524 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 655.01, vol: 44.65753383 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 635.753811, vol: 6328.89500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 381.946016093
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19433 @ 0.00087536 = 17.0109 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00087523 = 21.8808 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: yknow it would be really sad if gox opened and their users were buying up cheap coins and thus benefited from it's idiocy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00087144 = 8.0172 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25594 @ 0.00087554 = 22.4086 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i hear some magic the gathering players are good at it
ThickAsThieves: "Unfortunately, new research suggests that's not the case — trolls' personalities correlate highly with sadism. "
ThickAsThieves: "A new study by Erin Buckels and her colleagues at the University of Manitoba found that trolls' personalities are strongly linked to personality traits that form what some psychologists call the Dark Tetrad: sadism, narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism."
chetty: good description of this chan
MisterE: whales are this is all over IRC today
MisterE: already had some text inthe input line
MisterE: was gonna say whales are manipulating big time today
MisterE: and separately that the study is being talked about in many channels I'm in
ThickAsThieves: it's an imporrant development, learning trolls like to troll cuz theyre assholes
ThickAsThieves: another popular topic this morning, "how do i get cash into Gox quickly?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00087659 = 6.9689 BTC [+]
chetty: in fairness there are also trolls that make you think - a lot of folks find that painful too
ThickAsThieves: i wont accept that all conflicting conversatinis trolling
deadweasel: too much warm sake last night, with slices of jackfruit and vietnamese waitresses.
deadweasel: the grammar makes it seem like i'm eating slices of vietnamese waitresses. that was not the case.
ozbot: Just got an email from mt.gox : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: i guess the kickstarter security leak data is being used to log into gox?
ozbot: Hundreds trapped in South African gold mine - Africa - Al Jazeera English
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 1222350.0727 USD and would take the last price down to 603.4600 USD, resulting in an average price of 611.1750 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 170.4864 seconds
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.
pankkake: ;;market sell --market mtgox 2000
gribble: MtGox | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 443737.1817 USD and would take the last price down to 207.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 221.8686 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0645 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12164 @ 0.00087695 = 10.6672 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.070399 = 0.2112 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.070399 = 0.2816 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07011 = 0.2804 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: coinion.com/news/world/2014/02/more-than-2000-bitcoin-miners-trapped-over-huge-diff-increase
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1736 @ 0.00087695 = 1.5224 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10915 @ 0.00087659 = 9.568 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499898 BTC [+]
ozbot: 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 81 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.7724% in 0d 10h 50m 43s
ozbot: Long Term Update: 3 days chart at Bitstamp | Bitcoin Trading Signals
ThickAsThieves: although his prediction of $200 on bitstamp is hard to digest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00087735 = 15.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 46 @ 0.19376446 = 8.9132 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: according to their chatbox there are people complaining too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.07504333 = 0.9005 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: these elastic designs arent always practical for large monitors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00024751 = 0.495 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00087739 = 18.4252 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2011 @ 0.00024762 = 0.498 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00557526 = 0.3847 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.067108 = 0.3355 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.125 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
ozbot: BBC News - Man guilty of 'loud music' shootings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00087739 = 6.9314 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11889 @ 0.0008782 = 10.4409 BTC [+] {2}
Bugpowder: Interesting... MPEX options exercise is not executing at the bitcoincharts.com price.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00087882 = 23.9918 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24855 @ 0.00087915 = 21.8513 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0002469 = 1.2345 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00024764 = 1.2382 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19450 @ 0.00024888 = 4.8407 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 623 @ 0.00024989 = 0.1557 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57499899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07076966 = 0.2123 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57499899 = 1.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00297498 = 0.1666 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00565493 = 0.9953 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00569999 = 0.1425 BTC [+] {4}
FabianB_: Bugpowder: what's it executing at instead?
Bugpowder: Your order to exercise 1 O.USD.P500T contracts has been received and will be executed. This will net you 0.83109870 BTC.
Bugpowder: Maybe that was the last quoted price before the MPOEbot went down.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 556 @ 0.00024989 = 0.1389 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00087693 = 15.1709 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07228571 = 1.012 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76594243 BTC to 1`841 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.43004790 BTC to 9`595 shares, 4482 satoshi per share
nubbins`: "my blue jeans and tucked-in t-shirt will make this sword look even more realistic"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7541 @ 0.0008793 = 6.6308 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0672 = 0.2688 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087563 = 13.4847 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.125 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00087942 = 14.4225 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.05823982 = 2.912 BTC [-] {17}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00087707 = 13.463 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06723333 = 0.4034 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.002963 = 0.1333 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.128 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00087707 = 22.9354 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 48 @ 0.12210834 = 5.8612 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: dunno, perhaps its a magic the gathering thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.19376446 = 5.8129 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: Tux rubs his +4 longsword of summoning... A venté vanilla chai latte appears!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002963 = 0.2963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00087676 = 14.1597 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 650 @ 0.00087607 = 0.5694 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.002963 = 0.5689 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00087625 = 28.3905 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07256999 = 3.6285 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07299999 = 0.803 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00087882 = 24.1236 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.073 = 1.679 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06714 = 0.3357 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.128 = 0.384 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: I'm getting itchy... wanna buy on coinbase.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 198 @ 0.073 = 14.454 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7799 @ 0.00087546 = 6.8277 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.073 = 4.38 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: last buy I made was at $700 a month or two ago.
Bugpowder: I'm not a trader so... I don't really care about the next 3 months
Bugpowder: Did u see that options exercise is happening at the wrong price?
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 247.0, vol: 83120.16093865 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 610.0, vol: 23766.41845250 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 582.999, vol: 16671.38148 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 609.5, vol: 11813.83308207 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 641.0, vol: 68.53288743 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 623.844733, vol: 8032.04500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 397.308574612
FabianB: it's supposed to ask bitcoincharts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0672 = 0.1344 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00087994 = 47.1648 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00218173 = 0.9818 BTC [+]
benkay: "but the supreme court dismissed their fear as 'speculative'"
benkay: hm. maybe start a consulting company around "secure international comms"
benkay: sell everyone cardanos at 1000x markup.
benkay: defo gotta leave the us before doing that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00088041 = 18.2245 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: the kind of idiots who don't know about cardanos to begin with.
benkay: asciilifeform: the cardanos come free with the implementation package for your two organizations.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.00087531 = 8.1763 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: this is the enterprise sales problem.
benkay: there are fifty people over there - and only one with a checkbook and the brains to recognize a solution that needs implementing, frequently attended by much organizational resistance to doing anything.
benkay: nevertheless, that law firm needs some cardanos and training on how to use them.
benkay: besides they get to mark up the time spent fucking around with encryption to their clients - it's a win win win win win!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]
benkay: if the opportunity presents itself i'd be happy to. i'm not about to cold-call all the international law firms in dc, though.
benkay: so the flipside of the additiction to 'standards-compliant' is that now some people in big cushy chairs are finally getting the idea that their standards are just a backdoor for the us of a.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00087413 = 17.7448 BTC [-]
benkay: there is an awful chasm between people who want encryption and people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actual security.
Mats_cd03: could anyone recommend a reputable whois privacy service
KRS-One: teh best i ever found as a sysadmin
nubbins`: few better ways to spend a sunday than calculating your net worth while enjoying a large mug of aeropress coffee
benkay: BingoBoingo's nominally gathering up the satoshi letters
benkay: you should enbookify 'em
KRS-One: oh wow aeropress is much less acidic
benkay: but subject of coffee, y'all ever fuck with the clever brewer?
nubbins`: KRS-One, it's what got me drinking black.
KRS-One: is it plasic or glass? I hate plastic
benkay: nubbins`: yeah all of the things that szabo/satoshi wrote over the past 5 years or so
nubbins`: benkay: haven't tried the clever, but i do enjoy a good pour-over
benkay: nubbins`: what i love about the clever is that it combines the extraction time of the french press with the filtering of the pour over
benkay: super precision coffee making
KRS-One: wiki doesnt say if aeropress is glass or plastic
KRS-One: heat + plastic doesnt work well with me
nubbins`: guy who invented the aerobie made it
KRS-One: ever drink water out of a plastic bottle? u can taste it
KRS-One: u cant tell me thats not bad for u
nubbins`: not sure offhand what type of plastic it's made from
benkay: hey KRS-One there are a bunch of different kinds of plastics
benkay: but hiding from them all in fear is a pretty safe approach.
KRS-One: whoever is in charge of plastic can shove them all up his ass.
KRS-One: Sorry I just have a thing about plastic.
nubbins`: remember when everyone thought BPA was safe?
nubbins`: "oh whoops it's not lel sorry"
nubbins`: anyway, copolyester is what the aeropress is made of
nubbins`: have been using one for ~3 years now, no signs of degradation
benkay: the clever's seal blows out after about 3 years of constant use
kakobrekla: yeah i need to get one of thsoe to try it out
nubbins`: "The AeroPress is made of three different plastics. The clear chamber and plunger are made of copolyester. The hard black filter cap, filter holder, funnel, and stirrer are made of polypropylene. The rubber like seal on the end of the plunger is made of a thermoplastic elastomer. All of these materials are FDA approved for use in contact with food. None of these materials contain bisphenol-A
nubbins`: (BPA) or any phthalates, chemicals that have been in the news lately because of possible health effects."
nubbins`: as long as you don't store the aeropress with the plunger compressed, it should last forever
KRS-One: what do they have against glass and stainless steel?
KRS-One: for instance, to smoke herb out of a nice ROOR Bong is a completely different experience than a fricken plastic one.
nubbins`: that link i pasted actually talks about glass and metal
nubbins`: consider that if ROOR made an aeropress it'd probably cost $200
kakobrekla: i thought we were past foodstamps here
nubbins`: and although you could probably throw it at a brick wall without breaking, that's probably not enough to justify the cost
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.40967, Best ask: 246.995, Bid-ask spread: 2.58533, Last trade: 246.995, 24 hour volume: 85327.37931997, 24 hour low: 220.29327, 24 hour high: 540.0, 24 hour vwap: 308.78456
nubbins`: don't bother with a spare pack of filters, they give you like 300
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00087262 = 13.831 BTC [-]
nubbins`: fair warning, they suggest you use a large number of beans per cup
nubbins`: like 2x what you'd use for drip
benkay: that's always struck me as an indicator of inefficiency
nubbins`: compensates for the 30 second brew time
nubbins`: you can get away with using less, tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10354 @ 0.00087262 = 9.0351 BTC [-]
nubbins`: the aeropress actually makes an "espresso-like concentrate", that you then top up with hot water
nubbins`: inventor ragequit the coffeegeek forums after a months-long argument about whether it's "espresso" or not :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55000481 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: whats worse than audio geeks? coffee nerds
kakobrekla: what you get so stoned you cant hold your bong anymore?
nubbins`: kakobrekla, the lel is that those bongs cost several hundred dollars apiece
nubbins`: and it's assumed that their owners are just going to start dropping them off tables etc
kakobrekla: you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: what's worse than people who like things? people who don't think you should like the things you like
benkay: nubbins`: 'cause i really want my house smelling of bong water.
kakobrekla: well, its a saying, tell me who you hang out with and ill tell you who you are
Mats_cd03: i dont go on forums and post walls of text about any of those though
kakobrekla: pretty much same goes for , tell me what you like and ill tell you if you are a retard
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: unsure if i should offer congratulations
nubbins`: kakobrekla: i like bitcoin, coffee, bicycles, and printing
benkay: he's also a filthy pothead
dub: i like white wimminz
Mats_cd03: printing steals jobs from hard working bangladeshis and chinese
nubbins`: right, yeah, i like my laptop and drugs, too
Mats_cd03: (we're talking about 3d printing here right)
benkay: so kakobrekla nubbins` retarded or not?
nubbins`: did i tell you i sold one of those for 6btc recently? :0
nubbins`: sure, but we're not all vulgar enough to have a driver cart us around ;p
benkay: hey d_rebel what's your deal
benkay: d_rebel why u change names constantly
Mats_cd03: what does cas come loaded with? 5btc?
nubbins`: Mats_cd03, there are a variety of denominations, from 0.1btc to 1000btc
kakobrekla: any they are _all_ useless pretty much
nubbins`: well don't tell that to the guy who paid 6btc for one loaded with 0.5btc
d_rebel: i have no idea why that's happening.
nubbins`: it was an especially low mintage.
benkay: you crazy numismatists
benkay: so do all pmb purchasers
benkay: nubbins` you just lost the moral high ground.
kakobrekla: maybe needs more contxt, ill decide later
nubbins`: "assuming network difficulty stays the same..."
nubbins`: benkay, there's moral high ground in here?
nubbins`: pmb purchasers think "hey, mining = win" and the sellers say "assuming diff doesn't change..."
Mats_cd03: KRS-One: how is whoisguard compared to safenames
benkay: "assuming this mintage is worth more than the underlying in the future"
kakobrekla: wasnt nubbing nagging someone couple of days or weeks ago
nubbins`: numismatic collectors think "hey, this will be worth more money in the future" and sellers say "maybe, dunno"
benkay: face it man we're all just dancing around trying to fuck each other
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0738 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
nubbins`: kakobrekla, i was giving tat grief over his rubecoin and pmb
benkay: yeah he's been banging on about pmbs being a scam
benkay: hasn't had the stones to call mp out on the same scam tho
nubbins`: just offered at a better rate than other similar scams
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00569999 = 0.3306 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: it's allllll just paper.
benkay: whether it's fancy paper with imaginary value now, or metal stamped paper with imaginary value in the future.
nubbins`: anyway, all the info on f.pure.synth seems to be gone
nubbins`: so i wasn't able to suss out many details
benkay: it's not terribly complex. it's a pmb.
nubbins`: sure, but it was somehow tied into another pmb
ozbot: [GLBSE] PureMining: Infinite-term, deterministic mining bond
nubbins`: yeah, it was essentially offering the same returns as that
benkay: point is - life is a scam.
nubbins`: life's a scam, so you better try to get yours!
benkay: that's your play with the coins, certainly.
benkay: it's not a requirement.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32094 @ 0.00087453 = 28.0672 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: you'd be surprised the margins i get on most of these coins
nubbins`: unfortunately, getting 6btc for a coin that cost ~1.2btc is a very rare thing
benkay: i get where you're coming from nubbins`, really i do
benkay: but bitcoins is fukken dangerous.
benkay: i suppose this is why normal humans aren't allowed to buy fancy paper in the us
benkay: they might get ripped off if they're not really smart and careful!
benkay: but there's 0.01% of people that are smart
benkay: and 0.01% of people that are careful
ozbot: Monkey shooting in black with AK-47 (Kalashnikov) - YouTube
benkay: that makes like nobody that should be 'allowed' to play with these dangerous toys
benkay: or alternatively accept that 99.99999 of people are going to get fucked their whole lives, throw up hands and not give fucks.
mircea_popescu: somehow i imagined a monkey trying to fire an ak would end up flying.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: well, if little kids can shoot em...
nubbins`: benkay: but i'm already doing both of those things D:
benkay: yeah so let the scammers alone
benkay: or at least stop trying to foist your differentiation of scams on -assets
nubbins`: hey, this was dead until you brought it up again :P
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, i've been inducted into the ranks of pmb/rubecoin pushers
nubbins`: yeah last thing we heard from you was <mircea_popescu> time to shave my beard so i'll know how long i've been asleep
mircea_popescu: o wait pmb/rubecoin as in miner bonds and altchain scams ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dunno if you've noticed this, but the logs are pretty much taylored for my convenience. if i'm up, an hour stretches over like 300 lines. yet the ten hours im asleep look in the log like an hour and a half.
nubbins`: that's got the makings of a great thesis statement
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1200 @ 0.00083785 = 1.0054 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: ^ old hat to many of you, but stories like this always get my gears turning
ozbot: Mathematician: Is Our Universe a Simulation? - Slashdot
KRS-One: or it can at least be modelled mathematically
nubbins`: Mathematical knowledge is unlike any other knowledge. Its truths are objective, necessary and timeless.
nubbins`: in a just universe, .bait would link you to the proof of a theorem
KRS-One: Eww, her bicycle seat gonna smell.
ozbot: HAKMEM -- PROGRAMMING HACKS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cads actualy, it is not, not that i don't appreciate your culture on the topic. the difference is subtly this : that what you propose is geared towards the present and the future, a matter of action, whereas what i was discussing was strictly as to the past and a matter of representation.
KRS-One: wonder if anyone has tried to pinpoint the location in the universe to the precise location where the big bang occurred, taking into account skew or any offset
KRS-One: there was the wmap project but that wasnt a specific goal
nubbins`: eh, not sure such a thing is yet possible
mircea_popescu: KRS-One the location where the big bang occured is not within the universe.
mircea_popescu: or at least, not particularly more in one place than the other.
KRS-One: if everything came from the singularity wouldnt there be that specific point in some kind of reference to us?
nubbins`: well, what's your frame of reference for locating the singularity?
mircea_popescu: might as well try to determine where on your body is the place where your mom got laid.
nubbins`: relative to earth? we're flying through space
KRS-One: right but if we can model the universe somewhat and reverse time..
KRS-One: we've done it with galaxies
nubbins`: consider the benign case of two galaxies smashing together and merging
nubbins`: is a sim gonna show you what those two galaxies looked like before they crashed?
nubbins`: if so, to what resolution? etc
nubbins`: might as well do a simulation of a pile of rotten mush to see what shape the banana was
nubbins`: or a simulation to see what shade of yellow the eggs in your cake were, etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10773 @ 0.0008752 = 9.4285 BTC [+]
nubbins`: too many assumptions and too many one-way events
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, on the bright side, we won't remember being asleep
mircea_popescu: deadweasel just admitted to slashing a vietnamese girl while drunk ? or did i misread ?
nubbins`: we will, yes, sure. but i'm talking about whether we won't
mircea_popescu: he said he was jacking a rabbit with slices of vietnamese waitress.
mircea_popescu: especially... what i want to know is what he did to the weasel.
nubbins`: i think wait staff does too much running around to make good eating
nubbins`: ideally you want a combination of little/no exercise and healthy eating
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00087702 = 54.2875 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: but those two things so rarely go together
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
mircea_popescu: "Enky makes good posts" << is this the guy that bought t credits and rated me for it >?
davout: hmm how does that thing work?
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 (450 shares, 0.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00201007 / 0.00218173 (3800 shares, 7.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00179489 / 0.00218173 (21300 shares, 38.23 BTC)
mircea_popescu: Maybe that was the last quoted price before the MPOEbot went down. << exactly.
nubbins`: better your head than your bowel
mircea_popescu: benkay:sell everyone cardanos at 1000x markup. << i think you're the fifth guy planning to do basically that.
mircea_popescu: buy $5k worth of cardanos and $15k worth of suits, hassle execs for three months and bill $3.5mn worth of bs.
mod6: are they ready to order?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: benkay: what kind of idiot would buy at 1000x? << the kind of idiot that expects service, which maximally extended is the kind of idiot who only deals with people in his wot. so basically, any serious businessman.
mircea_popescu: benkay:if the opportunity presents itself i'd be happy to. i'm not about to cold-call all the international law firms in dc, though. <<< because why ?
mircea_popescu: that's exactly equal to saying cca 2009 "well if some bitcoins appear on my harddrives i'll be glad. i'm not abouit to run bs code on my computer which i need for trying to strip naked the sims"
ThickAsThieves: <asciilifeform> main challenge will be assisting noobs in learning to 'tell shit from shinola.' /// sounds like competition is needed
mircea_popescu: there is an awful chasm between people who want encryption and people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actual security. << into the permanent records of bitcoin-assets this goes.
benkay: mircea_popescu: did you see the part where i said "although..." trailing off while pondering the work/payoff function?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there comes a point where you have to turn it into an abstract
mircea_popescu: benkay no. i only read the parts that i can use (twice). the rest i don't read at all :D
benkay: mircea_popescu: funny man
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ok, let's try as an abstract : there's an awful chasm \between the people who want to cum and the people who are willing to operate under the inconvenience of actually getting all that girlslime all over their cock.
benkay: the inconvenience of girlslime!?
mircea_popescu: now i can die happy. or at least content. or whatever.
ThickAsThieves: girlslime, pretty sure thatd make the politically incorrect list
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves should it be gender-balanced-lubrication ?
mircea_popescu: you know the girls do most of the sliming. which is kind of weird seeing how the boys get most of the hurt if they didn't.
ThickAsThieves: i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, are chemtrails the result of quadriplegic women on chemo moving about the hospital ?
ThickAsThieves: then a wave of everyone saying they cant get coins out
mod6: then a wave of everyone pelting magicaltwit with flaming bags of dog shit
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: sure, send 'em to 1AltcoinSucksCocks<however many extra chars necessary to make length>
mircea_popescu: you do realise that without a hater atc would never win.
nubbins`: my pleasure to be a necessary cog
nubbins`: best business card title i ever saw was "scrabble blank feeler"
nubbins`: heh. well you have played scrabble, yes?
nubbins`: and players often put the tiles in a bag
mircea_popescu: i like playing "all languages scrabble" but generally people dont want to
nubbins`: the scrabble blank feeler takes an extra long time getting his tiles.
nubbins`: now that's a nice business card
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reminds me of an old blog post lemme see
nubbins`: perforated blotter art would make an amusing card too
mod6: asciilifeform: post release
mircea_popescu: nubbins` with a picture of a pinky ring o nthe back for the recipient to kiss
nubbins`: we want encryption, not a fucking bridge
mod6: after he was released he was on Tech-TV or something and said, "yeah, its nice to be out... but i gotta wait like a year or something to get a cell phone... and I hvae this ankle bracelt for a few months.."
nubbins`: house arrest is usually on the honor system here
cazalla: i enjoyed his book from 2-3 years ago
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: you could hit someone on the head if you could remember who you wanted to hit << epic.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: every time i hear "one of us" i think of that old movie "freaks" or w/e it's called
nubbins`: if kako was any sharper he'd cut himself
ThickAsThieves: the correct quote was "Drink this Michael. Become one of us"
benkay: rad illustration nubbins`
benkay: being a stick figure is disappointing though
nubbins`: benkay, couldn't find my sketchbook OR a pen. threw me off.
jurov: what does evoorhees and kakobrekla? i feel completely out of loop
cazalla: interesting that i ran into evoorhees prior to bitcoin (wickedfire)
mircea_popescu: <benkay> being a stick figure is disappointing though << talk to the cook.
mircea_popescu: say "woman, make me a sammich. god knows being a stick figure is disappointing enough"
jurov: no, fell hopelessly behind last few days
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ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt know, the only time i had a chance with a black girl i wasnt single
mircea_popescu: i don't much like other race womenz. i mean creoles can be insanely hot, but otherwise, black, yellow, eskimo, w/e, they're all ugly.
ozbot: Frequently Asked Questions
mircea_popescu: (creole meaning in that sentence, woman with some white ancestry)
mircea_popescu: Many things actually. First of all, it is important to remember that the internet didn’t just come to be in its current form.
pankkake: doesn't work without javascript
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7041 @ 0.00022942 = 1.6153 BTC [-] {11}
pankkake: that's what is wrong with the internet
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla:mp would argue with the bike thing. << how the fuck does he know that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you've been fucking my womenz on the quiet ?!
pankkake: you wrote about bikes being an instrument of evil remember?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2262 @ 0.000229 = 0.518 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12849999 = 1.285 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: people reading my blogz and drilling my womenz ON THE QUIET
nubbins`: can't very well do it on the loud
kakobrekla: id still double check on the womans thing.
benkay: mircea_popescu: it's got awful js and css - that's how you know REAL PROGRAMMERS built it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why does your guy have bycicle wheels in his eye sockets dood
nubbins`: benkay, mircea_popescu: artistic license
mircea_popescu: you know it suddenly dawned on me... nubbins can't actually draw.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: shh, don't tell the clients
benkay: mircea_popescu: why u no bikes? how ams evil?
mircea_popescu: benkay bikes make men impotent. walking makes girl ass and legs look great.
bo0lcrap: hey why shouldn't you fart in an apple store?
bo0lcrap: because they dont have windows!
nubbins`: anyway, regarding my ability to draw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12849999 = 0.514 BTC [+]
nubbins`: there's a reason why i asked pascale to draw those heraldics and not me ;p
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could this be merged into the yarvin thing ?
nubbins`: well you'll be happy to know that the band lapped up my snorting-coffee-grounds image:
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i even have a picture of a smiling hipster wearing it, one sec
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC
mircea_popescu: it takes decent advantage of your few strengths while carefully avoiding all your numerous weaknesses.
nubbins`: sorry, n/m, the hipster is not smiling
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: if i wanted to highlight my weaknesses i'd just print a photo of myself
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i know right? face full of sugar and still not happy
nubbins`: shit, maybe he's upset about the shirts.
nubbins`: i'm always a bit surprised when i'm given free reign on design
nubbins`: always expecting "how about this?" to be met with "the fuck is your problem, asshole?"
nubbins`: most legit businesses come to us with art
mircea_popescu: which is how he got the idea he can draw in the first place.
benkay: to bring us back to a much much earlier topic
nubbins`: make no mistake, i do not operate under the assumption that i can draw
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is el englisho, doesn't spello like thato./
nubbins`: has worked reasonably well so far, this approach
mircea_popescu: if anyone ever asks me to back up assertions about collapsing standards in education i am definitely linking this in support.
nubbins`: hey, hold on now. i didn't go to art school
mircea_popescu: and btw, we need to start selling -asset tickets, this shit's too much fun.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i bet your english teacher never got lied.
nubbins`: lights blinking and wind picking up, gonna try to fry some salmon while i still can.
benkay: american english teachers know neither english nor how to teach.
mircea_popescu: imagine if he's from the hillbilly country and his parents are Form and Mindy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00087494 = 7.262 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, has the esteemed & most serene college of the assets read my recent poem ?
mircea_popescu: the 2nd part is not about the sultan (which is duly forgotten), but about how pissed off the author is with the current environment
mircea_popescu: cca 1880 he was distraught that people learn jack shit in school and everyone's lazy and stupid and wtf is this politics conspiraci of nonsense.
benkay: sottisier needs linking to bash.*, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: don't be so mean, there's loads of smart things in there.
benkay: ah then then the forum
benkay: yeah that in particular
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: cads what i want to know is when the fuck did romanian and cabbage get identified. what, cause cluj cabbage ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00087224 = 24.5099 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: if only your posts weren't that long, I would read them sooner
benkay: i don't imitate, mircea_popescu i steap.
benkay: i begin to understand why offices work
benkay: you're responsible for the distractions roaming around
Mats_cd03: i tried to buy a .jp relic once, dealer tried to gouge me for $5k
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: found a replica that was better than the real thing on ebay for $200
Mats_cd03: although the replica didnt kill hundreds of chinese so i guess its inferior tbh
benkay: you can always imbue your replica with that property, though, Mats_cd03
benkay: anyways that kind of property is kind of unique and so therefore probably worth in excess of 5k
benkay: that's what, less than an mpex seat?
Mats_cd03: it was a relic owned by a descendant of a .jp soldier in nanjing
benkay: "how many human lives is an mpex seat worth"
mircea_popescu: yeah they actually put a lot of effort into getting it right for some reason.
Mats_cd03: ya i thought so, so i picked up a carbon fibre weapon made with modern techniques
benkay: thing is most humans are totally fungible
Mats_cd03: i have no expertise in that sort of thing, i meant to buy it as a gift for a colleague
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 why'd you buy things you don't know to make gifts ?
benkay: the upper end of skill experience and what have ye isn't but that's a vanishingly small slice.
mircea_popescu: putting your friend in the awkward position of having been vicariously scammed doesn't seem like much of a gift
Mats_cd03: dude was a huge sword buff and owned all sorts of probably illegal war trophies
mircea_popescu: so therefore your odds of giving him something he doesn't think is shit are... <0.0001% ?
Mats_cd03: well i expected him to know the shit gift i bought him was shit
benkay: 300 bucks'll get you a pretty nice bottle of wine, Mats_cd03.
Mats_cd03: the garbage wine he drinks is more than that
benkay: if you can avoid getting scammed ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7442 @ 0.00087201 = 6.4895 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: how do you buy gifts for someone who has everything
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mircea_popescu: i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new.
mircea_popescu: all that's missing is herbi driving a jet over his cat or something.
ThickAsThieves: mp the Like button and +1 button are missing from trilema
benkay: oh yeah also while we're on the topic your discus implementation is fucking horrendous too
benkay: yeah man keyword clouds are where its at
benkay: get with the 2004 mang
ozbot: Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 147-The Comeback
mircea_popescu: you don't realise this on the first pass, watching it or w/e, but just try as a cw exercise to improve on them.
ThickAsThieves: i find tv shows to be increasingly predictable, i dont just mean boring
ThickAsThieves: or like how they use almost famous actors as cameo villians
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33245 @ 0.00087525 = 29.0977 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: asciilifeform: nothing wrong with ww2 japanese swords, good factory steel relinquished in shame
benkay: awkward comedy at its worst.
benkay: nobody on that show can tell a joke.
benkay: maybe the joke is on me expecting comedy
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, well, that'd be a funcrtion of you growing less retarded over time.
mircea_popescu: like for instance the mtgox thing ? totally impredictable and shocking for a few people.
benkay: <benkay> so gox: criminally incompetent? criminals? or just incompetent?
benkay: <donpdonp> i cant tell which
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00296 = 0.1362 BTC [-]
benkay: disregarded me for months
benkay: not terribly, it's the local btc irc channel
benkay: reptations get built in more places than -assets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00087198 = 26.2466 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "The term can carry a moral judgement and is viewed in the context of a mainstream social ideal for sexual activity to occur within exclusive committed relationships."
mircea_popescu: "i know! let's give a bunch of clueless twits the unwarranted, indefensible idea that what they know and think is universal, and then let's have them write it all out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00297498 = 0.1934 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: educated, intelligent people everywhere will be entertained."
cazalla: mircea_popescu: because it's jewish?
benkay: and i mean the actual fucking bound volumes.
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> i cant believe after all you nuts picking on poor nubsy i came in and picked him off as new.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: earlier i was asking some guy about encryption and he starts going off about bridges!
mircea_popescu: jesus, herbi is the proximate cause for me trying to rewatch that crud, cause he also claimed it's better than seinfeld.
mircea_popescu: you people must have really brainrotting tv or something.
nubbins`: curb is funny if you think watching adults endure horrendously awkward situations is funny
benkay: he's also a wannabe quant computer guy
nubbins`: if you don't, well, it just isn't
benkay: and i think into anime shit as well.
cazalla: curb is better than seinfeld
benkay: oh shit herbi's into some wackness
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, that's the thing. they're not even trying to act
mircea_popescu: hm, maybe that's what it is, the curb thing is funny for people who don't have access to surveillance cams,
benkay: he and Vexual were wanking each other off the nother night.
benkay: i've done too many drugs with dubstep playing to care about it anymore
nubbins`: (dub: don't want to be paged? don't choose a nick that's a genre of music)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dun worry, he knows i only do it to bother him
pankkake: dubsteb isn't all bad. just ignore the mainstream
nubbins`: dubstep, aka run some techno through a VCF
mircea_popescu: dubstep is okay if you're into fucking fifteen year olds.
nubbins`: and tweak the cutoff & peak knobs so it goes WOM WOM
benkay: can't get away with it anymore
nubbins`: dubstep is essentially "i bought a bunch of Moog modules and can't be fucked to learn how to use any of them"
mircea_popescu: i could but srsly... i prefer tits and a nicely formed hip-thigh complex.
benkay: nubbins`: nobody buys moog modules and so therefore has no incentive to actually learn them
benkay: no investment of money, no investment of time.
benkay: "why are these tools so hard bawwww"
nubbins`: you have a point, they're doing it all with softsynths
mircea_popescu: italy has never, ever, at any poiint in its history, been able to pay the bills.
mircea_popescu: while the austrians paid for them, italy existed, then it didn't
nubbins`: altho i suspect the "free" vs "$10k+" thing is a deciding factor when choosing softsynths over modulars too
pankkake: well most of the "dubstep" I like is closer to drum and bass. still…
mircea_popescu: it's not going to end. italians are willing to spend your money or starve. either way.
pankkake: eh, you can find 5-minute howto dubstep on youtube
benkay: nubbins`: that's precisely the problem. when people can't be arsed to figure out how to get their tools to make money, they don't arse themselves to grok the tools either.
nubbins`: 10k "producers" watching a 5 minute tutorial on youtube and "releasing tracks"
benkay: if the tools are free, why develop competence when everyone else you know hacking on them is just as incompetent as yourself?
Mats_cd03: if you feel gangster listening to this trap mix... we are in agreement
pankkake: so dubstep songs are like altcoins
benkay: all techno is cryptocoins
nubbins`: pankkake sort of, but more people take dubstep seriously
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 202 @ 0.00084 = 0.1697 BTC [+]
nubbins`: and i suspect altcoins are no fun on club drugs
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, did you send those atc yet?
nubbins`: hey, i never said i didn't want em
nubbins`: i even gave you most of an address
Mats_cd03: i imagine youd have to be doped up to care about altcoins
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: oh, you might be onto something there
cads: mircea_popescu: I'm not sure what came first, the video game nerd or the egg.
pankkake: Mats_cd03: the impaled northern moonforest of dubstep
benkay: i'll take nubbins`' altcoins
nubbins`: you'll take them if your address starts with 1AltcoinSucksCocks
Vexual: altcoin is the plural!
mircea_popescu: A scientific study published in 2005 found that promiscuous men and women are judged equally harshly and a recent poll showed that both genders tend to express strong preference for sexually conservative partners.
Mats_cd03: this is the worst thing i have listened to in months
CiPi: Real men use real things. :) Like bitcoin, not altcoin.
CiPi: loosers use altcoins.
mircea_popescu: someone prefers sexually conservative parties, somewhere in that africa over there across the atlantic ?!
benkay: doncha know mircea_popescu
benkay: we all sit around and talk about what kind of sex we'd like to have
pankkake: but it's not altcoins, it's Altcoin
nubbins`: 1AltcoinSucksCocks0123456789abcdef
benkay: pankkake: just transfer the coins nubbins` is throwing away to my account under your mgmt plz
benkay: it's sunday in -assets!
benkay: #musical number begins
nubbins`: i am entitled to my entitlements!
benkay: you guys we need a stage musical
mircea_popescu: benkay i'm not giving preciously minted atc to the heathens!
TATwalking: I tell ya tho software producing takes a shit ton of time to get good at
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18583 @ 0.0008743 = 16.2471 BTC [+]
nubbins`: TATwalking, this is why so few are good at it
benkay: this stage musical would have GLBSE
nubbins`: "i'm a producer" can almost universally be responded to with "no you're not"
benkay: all as like transient guests that occasionally show up and say nonsensical things
mircea_popescu: nubbins` or with "it'll still cost you 70 for half and half"
mircea_popescu: he's not a producer, she is a whore, honesty all the way.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 191 @ 0.00084157 = 0.1607 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1285 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "altcoin: the commodity so valuable that people don't even want others throwing theirs away"
mircea_popescu: i paid good satoshis for that stuff i'll have you know.
nubbins`: tell that to my empty atc address!
nubbins`: Apocalyptic, i think you missed the point by about 5km
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.0055 = 0.1705 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.06913778 = 3.4569 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: i was bequeathed some atc and now can't get anybody to follow through!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` because you were a smartass with derpy nonaddresses
nubbins`: there's what, 2^9 private keys that will generate that address
nubbins`: well, 1MatthewNWrightIsAScammer was taken
mircea_popescu: obviously nubbins` did not read the protocol enough to know about the checksum.
benkay: i thought it was mostly white with some tatooos
nubbins`: guess i better go read up &c &c
mircea_popescu: ppl come to this chan thinking they're real smart all the time.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1980 @ 0.00043849 = 0.8682 BTC [-]
nubbins`: tbf i came to this chan with no such delusion
nubbins`: it's all that separates us from the savages
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 2 BTC [+]
nubbins`: TATwalking: unfortunately, we let americans through all the time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06720001 = 0.5376 BTC [+]
nubbins`: the only instance i can recall that a canadian went the other way is when that guy swam from windsor to detroit after slamming 8 beers, to see if he could
Vexual: thats called@ after breakfast@ here
mircea_popescu: TATwalking stop derping with your smartphone and pick up women
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.128625 = 0.5145 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: hes carrying two desktops
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00297498 = 0.2975 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically Mircea însuşi mână-n luptă vijelia-ngrozitoare, Care vine, vine, vine, calcă totul în picioare; is mircea himself leads into battle the fearsome tempest that coming, coming, coming, tramples everything underfoot.
mircea_popescu: they didn't have cgi in the 1800s, and you can almost see how much they'd have liked it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+]
nubbins`: turns out dickens didn't go on about the grocers for the word count
ozbot: John Morillo, Windsor man who swam across Detroit River, regrets it - Windsor - CBC News
mircea_popescu: you mean the actual vlad or the other vlad dracul guy ?
benkay: that's intense Namworld
mircea_popescu: as a result got a pretty bad wrap in the english language press of the time
benkay: mircea_popescu: "bad rap"
benkay: as in rap sheet, arrest history
WillTablet: I gave myself a challenge - break even on the $18 worth of server I used to mine about 0.007 BTC worth of dogecoin
WillTablet: And I'm pretty interested to see how it ends up
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 625.66, Best ask: 625.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 625.68, 24 hour volume: 26319.78171749, 24 hour low: 590.01, 24 hour high: 670.0, 24 hour vwap: 627.53549918
WillTablet: Ima try and get some of it back, I prolly won't break even
WillTablet: Ima lend it to a reputable borrower on btcjam or something
benkay: why not just learn the lesson, WillTablet?
benkay: you're only out like 12 buck
WillTablet: During the loan period, I will read up on shares and economics
benkay: hey WillTablet let me give you a bit of insight
nubbins`: if there's one thing that speaks to a man's repute, it's his constant need of loans
benkay: in ten years that 0.007 BTC will be worth several x your dollars
benkay: without any risk due to lending it out.
mircea_popescu: pankkake it;s more like a logical continuation of glbse.
mircea_popescu: they came out with figures at some point that on average 30% of loans were delinquent.
mircea_popescu: (course ignoramuses that they are, it was a victorious point of pride)
WillTablet: benkay: if that's the case, why does anyone invest? I want to do it as an experiment, and expect to lose it all
benkay: if you expect to lose it, why bother?
benkay: if you want to actually invest it, put it into MPEx.
benkay: it's a really good question, WillTablet.
nubbins`: yeah, put 0.0007 btc into mpex
benkay: the fundamental assumption is that a given operation will grow in value faster than btc.
ThickAsThieves: i saw a btcjam presentation once, he was surprisingly transparent
benkay: kiddo doesn't know mpex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00087198 = 4.8831 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point there being that there's a point of delinquency where loan packages become unworthy. all this is old fiat finance grease.
benkay: 0.007'd get et by jurov's fees instantly right?
nubbins`: i think the min deposit is more than that
ThickAsThieves: i imagine btcjam will be end up as proportionally unpopular as Prosper.com
benkay: your alternative is to throw it away on scams that don't have fees because they're not really businesses.
benkay: if you want to learn investing, borrow some money from your parents WillTablet and put it into Tesla.
benkay: some into us treasury bonds
ozbot: Merkel, Hollande to discuss European communication network avoiding U.S.
nubbins`: but bitcoin gives my portfolio all the volatility that i need
WillTablet: benkay: heh my parents wouldn't let me
WillTablet: I'm actually lending money to them atm
benkay: sounds like a rat fuck of bad decisions, WillTablet
benkay: why are you doing that?
benkay: they'll take it from you when they're old and dying anyways.
WillTablet: They are giving me something like 3% interest, might be 5 actually
ThickAsThieves: question, did any of you tell your parents to buy btc?
nubbins`: gave my dad a casascius coin for his birthday one year
benkay: mine were burning retirement capital until 6 months ago
Mats_cd03: whats going on with these tx inssues
benkay: the internet isn't going to teach you anything about investing except via exceptional losses.
WillTablet: So basically, the best thing to do with my bitcoins is to forget about them till I see on the news oh BTC is worth £4000 now
Mats_cd03: bitpay doesn't work anymore, whining about some signature or other
ThickAsThieves: "We'll talk with France about how we can maintain a high level of data protection," Merkel said.
WillTablet: They have a market simulator though I suppose the psychological effect is different if its not real money
ThickAsThieves: seems like an awful lot of trouble to not solve spying