assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0056998 = 0.171 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3781 @ 0.00087046 = 3.2912 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00552489 = 0.6077 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999999 BTC [+]
pgp: well there soes seem to be some interesting progress
ozbot: MtGox Bitcoin Transaction Queue
pgp: far fewer in here now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00086956 = 15.4782 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17876 @ 0.00086376 = 15.4406 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.0054165 = 0.715 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2500 @ 0.00011118 = 0.278 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00086823 = 6.859 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999998 BTC [-]
jurov: someone got infected by bitbet?
pankkake: it's a disease, start playing, can't stop
mike_c: i tried to think of a good bitbet for Altcoin, but nothing crystallized.
pankkake: there was one, and it ended up being close
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999998 BTC [-]
mike_c: really? for the real altcoin?
ozbot: BitBet - Altcoin diff to be power of four BTC block 285000
mike_c: heh, nice. i was thinking along the lines of "an altcoin will be worth $1 in 2014", but verifying is hard.
pankkake: you'd need exchanges. when things are listed in coinmarketcap, it's much more practical, too
mike_c: maybe that should be it. as verified by coinmarketcap. then if it never gets listed, it resolves as no
moiety: i should really get a wallet huh
moiety: the snowden bitbet is still pending two days on
ozbot: BitBet - Next country for Snowden: Germany
moiety: it would be a really bad move
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00086823 = 6.5985 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.559 = 2.236 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00086714 = 3.2084 BTC [-]
jurov: g++ -c -march=native -ftree-vectorize -O2 -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wformat -Wformat-security -Wno-unused-parameter -g -DBOOST_SPIRIT_THREADSAFE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/opt/altcoin/src -I/opt/altcoin/src/obj -I/usr/include/db4.8 -DUSE_IPV6=1 -I/opt/altcoin/src/leveldb/include -I/opt/altcoin/src/leveldb/helpers -DHAVE_BUILD_INFO -fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -MMD -MF obj/bitcoinrpc.d -o obj/bitco
jurov: BITCOINRPC in Altcoin?!!! Blasphemy!
jurov: ain't need no filthy make
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12500005 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 70 @ 0.02493859 = 1.7457 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15857 @ 0.00086365 = 13.6949 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: if original is insane, then there can't be both sane and compatible reimplementation
jurov: have you seen the sx?
jurov: or how did ganjix call it
ozbot: The sx Tutorial — sx 1 documentation
fghj: bitbet.com it would be good squat for scaming, just like the one with sdice .com .net or .org 2yrs ago
jurov: asciilifeform if you happen to look deeper, let us know
jurov: pankkake: still selling them?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 310 @ 0.00086714 = 0.2688 BTC [+]
mike_c: so they can come to the rescue and appear relevant? i like it.
mike_c: aren't all the btc foundation devs in jail by now?
jurov: asciilifeform: it's indeed beyond them. if they were truly scammy, they would have done something simple like stealthcoin
jurov: i just think coders capable to do such can get paid amply by legitimate businesses
jurov: i don't see any motivation why would they turn to such shenanigans
jurov: oh yes there we are again
ozbot: back yard pvc roller coaster with a 12 ft drop - YouTube
jurov: such thing really works in ussr-style dictatorships where there is no way out
jurov: so if something such happens, it's directed by homeland security, not bitcoin foundation noobs
pankkake: jurov: I only have ~10000 left (plus what I'm still mining), so you might get a better price elsewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2405 @ 0.0008684 = 2.0885 BTC [+]
jurov: it's still minable on gpu?
mike_c: nethash was 240 ghs by our meager estimates earlier today
mike_c: psh, and i conjecture the sky is blue.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it contains a warehouse of bugs because it was built by joe out of toothpicks and chewing gum
jurov: Apocalyptic: and you aren't going to support atc?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999998 BTC [-]
jurov: mircea_popescu: you give altcoinz?
jurov: pankkake hinted something
jurov: wasn't there a faucet?
pankkake: now that altcoin have value, the faucet dried up?
mircea_popescu: i did some giveaways for like answering q's and whatnot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00087044 = 4.4828 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: just like in BTC i'm the only one doing shit, everyone else is buying bentleys and spraypainting crackheads in gold paint.
pankkake: tat did the logo, that's half the value of the coin at least
moiety: you cannot deny they look better
jurov: butbutbut...i'm running a full node... helping the network
jurov: hyperfast, compiled with -fomg-optimize
pankkake: so you found the pic? I couldn't
jurov: ok, send atc donations to 1LcE3DQSosBv3HNYGTmCQLGnKgFhchCe8j
moiety: no i meant the unfortunate chick bit
moiety: i do have some bad news mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: moiety you seen the pic of the gold painted cokehead ?
moiety: oh no, i didn't realise there was actually someone sprayed!! will google
moiety: thanks for link, all i got was a sea of lindsay lohan on google. imgur must be overloaded, cant load it yet
mircea_popescu: moiety so what's the bad news ? you got married to an axe murderer ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00086643 = 6.7582 BTC [-]
moiety: mircea_popescu: I'm 29... marriage would be good news. [ignores the murderer bit]
moiety: oh i forgot about that film!!
moiety: if they introduce inblots everywhere though, internet will be halved forme
jurov: someone wanted vanity? 1atcKeQCoeKbWCqyMUZPrMjpjvr4ayAbX
moiety: but but half the procrastination also
ozbot: FBI: New $10,000 reward if you report people who fire lasers at airplanes | Ars Technica
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
jurov: they blind pilots?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform terrorism, public nudity and money laundering.
mircea_popescu: wait i mean, public terrorism, money nudity and laundry.
jurov: jaywalking not fashionable anymore
pankkake: public nudity, milking and laundry
moiety: new challenge im off to vanitygen
gribble: Error: "offal" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: underage money, public vomiting and interfacing with a known socket.
ozbot: FBI — Protecting Aircraft from Lasers: New Program Offers Rewards for Information
mircea_popescu: anyway, everyone, thank you for your leadership in this important matter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10509 @ 0.00086358 = 9.0754 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, seems more like a ploy to give your buddy 10k, because i can't for the life of me grok what exact damage can you do to an airplane with a ground laser.
jurov: to pilot, not to airplane
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.19376446 = 2.1314 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov the pilot is what, losing his change on the floor of the plane which is transparent ?
ozbot: Websites of Las Vegas Sands casinos hacked, including Venetian, Palazzo on Las Vegas Strip | Star Tr
jurov: you ever got a flash of reflected laser pointer?
jurov: and that's just puny pointer for presentations
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06946363 = 0.7641 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.12500001 = 1.375 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: yep, poor pilots have to catch red dots and crashing airplanes
mircea_popescu: because if you imagine you're hitting a ten yard plane from five thousand feet deep in an ocean of air with a fucking handheld laser you're nuts.
moiety: why do you think they get paid so highly?
jurov: noone gives a fuck about thousands of feet
jurov: it concerns takeoff and landing
mircea_popescu: yes, the laser does. light has this property called refraction
jurov: if the scare is about mid-air laser attacks, indeed
jurov: but if it's pubescents shooting 1w lasers into cockpit upon landing...
mircea_popescu: jurov sounds to me like a rehash of the child porn thing.
jurov: oh, are they flashing child porn to pilots?
moiety: but how are these pubescents getting close enough to the planes
jurov: one kilometer is close enough
moiety: wow my laser pen is shit
jurov: but, maybe you do know better, whatever
mircea_popescu: whoa look at that! the surface of a hemisphere 1km away is like... 6.3 mn sq meters!
moiety: ijust cant visualise even getting a pilots face from ground level from that distance
mircea_popescu: the odds of hitting anything 1 km away are about one in a las vegas jackpot!
moiety: you like lasers a lot don't you asciilifeform :)
jborkl: Mp, the calls on the site are priced at .1 and the puts are still priced at 1.0, so there is a typo in this month puts
mircea_popescu: whoia look at that! if every man woman and child on planet earth was a prepubescent boy with a laser spending all their time 1km away from lax
moiety: aaaah i see! I wanna work with lasers!
jurov: you just are hell bent on making fun of fbi, even if they do something that may make sense eventually
jborkl: It says lot is .1 btc , but mkopt and pricing is obviously 1.0 btc lot
moiety: imgur is still keeping this gold crackhead from me :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5109 @ 0.00086301 = 4.4091 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: that is not an argument, it can be said about everything
jurov: flood protection? nah, just lining pockets pof contractors
mircea_popescu: jurov there's a record of floods actually happening in the past.
mircea_popescu: this is different from one guy somewhere thought he might have heard something.
jurov: i jut shown you the medial helicopter video. it does exist, too
mircea_popescu: if that's the standard of evidence required even female orgasm exists.
jborkl: The text says one lot is .1 btc but mkopt and sell are still dominated in 1 btc lots
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: O.USD.P500T Bids: ['1000 @ 0.67164225']
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 1.17856218']
jborkl: Unless I am just reading something wrong
mircea_popescu: jborkl you expect to buy a put at 5k for 1 btc lots for 0.67 ?
jborkl: I understand it is 67%
mircea_popescu: jborkl well and the text on the page says "One lot consists of 0.1 BTC".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they don't bother with power calculations do they
jborkl: Well, I read it different but I fully understand the math behind it so it doesn't matter. I just rwadbit different but I see what you are saying
mircea_popescu: it is six feet wide and magically 3600000 times as energetic
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00086575 = 0.2597 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's almost as bad as an ugly vinyl dress on a sunny day
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand. at one astronomic unit away that million ton cheese thing i nthe sky can appear six inches wide!
mircea_popescu: jborkl did you mean that you read "Put option expiring this month struck at 500 USD/lot." to mean "500usd/btc" ?
jurov: power density can be like a moonlight, but on retina it concnetrates into one dot
jurov: just try it sometime,
mircea_popescu: jurov seriously, your mishaps within five feet are not a solid basis for comparison here.
jborkl: No, honestly I forgot until this conversation that options are standard the way you have it written. I forgot the standard tbh
jurov: whatever, just try it on yourself
jurov: as i say, i do have some experience. it wasn't kilometer, but also the power was much smaller
jurov: so i can believe that pilots do have issues
mircea_popescu: get a laser key chain and a camera. place camera one kilometer away
mircea_popescu: and try to shine the laser into it while it autoshoots so that you catch it in a pic.
mircea_popescu: i bet you you will not be able to produce this within 8 hours of trying.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well no, place it in a car so it's not stolen
mircea_popescu: just you know, park your car in a field somewhere, or a beach or w/e
jurov: so these laers sharpshooters use are just a gimmick and completely useless for aiming, then?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm waiting for the day when one becomes vragnaroda for owning a collection of unexpurgated kvant
☟︎ mircea_popescu: jurov you think sharpshooters use the red laser dot 1km away ?
mircea_popescu: the victim may see it, but how would the sharpshooter see it ?
mircea_popescu: i suspek you might have not had thought this through so much.
jurov: In 2009, there were 1,489 laser events logged with the FAA—that is, pilots reporting that their cockpits were illuminated by the devices
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i still dunno wtf they do for practice training, srsly, but they are atrociously bad.
jurov: so this is coplaetely fabricated data?
mircea_popescu: during the same interval a number of 59739845 bored women reported they were "almost raped"
jurov: if the lose hight vision even for few seconds, that;s okay?
mircea_popescu: i was once in a car and the fucking ambulance illuminated the cockpit with the lights
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, those shits are loud, it can startle you
mircea_popescu: somehow people never crashed their car into the fire truck because "whoa, i got blinded by the illumination of the cockpit"
mircea_popescu: but i will be pleased to be given the proper form to report such events for the future
mircea_popescu: maybe if we get a large enough number i can have a free subway sub
jurov: you can always slam your feet to brakes
benkay: who is this we you go on about tonight
jurov: in aircraft, not very much
mircea_popescu: jurov in most actual driving situations, sudden braking is both suicidal
jurov: benkay, just mircea with ascii going on that pilots are pussies and they should just shut up
mircea_popescu: well actually i think pilots should just be beaten, personally, but that is besides the point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in honesty i doubt your average pilot really needs excuses to take a break.
mircea_popescu: it's one of those fields like specialist surgery, workload X, workforce epsilon
jurov: maybe. or maybe they actually have to accept considerable overtime instead
jurov: for example one would think that german train engine driver is comfy occupation
jurov: unless it happens one knoes some liek i do
jurov: and nope, they slashed the jobs, constant overtime, nos sick leave
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.54999998 = 12.1 BTC [-]
jurov: i suspect pilots likewise.
jurov: the train driver gets leave only if someone throws himself under the train
jurov: som they actually secretly hppe for that
jurov: yes, and everypone forgets the next day
moiety: i doubt train drivers hope for that
jurov: i say, i know them personally, they are severely overworked
moiety: you know a driver that has had a jumper?
jurov: some to that point they'd accept such discharge
moiety: i've known one. he was a patient.
moiety: he couldn't get past the flash backs
moiety: every time he was back in the cab or w/e its called on a train
jurov: that was not the point
jurov: the point was pilots are pussies
jurov: that should just shrug off someone lightting the cockpit
moiety: liking trains is not a prerequisite to being able to handle graphic death in front of you
jurov: being completely burned out is
jurov: at least so that peron thinks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00086958 = 3.6088 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: asciilifeform: what if yes?
jurov: if i arrange it, there will be pics
moiety: i saw a deer halved by a plane yesterday. quite an effect D:
moiety: i meant it had an effect on me though
ozbot: Laser Pointer Safety - NEVER aim laser pointers at aircraft
jurov: some photos. not blinding, but i can believe it's distraction
moiety: every psychiatry person knows affect and effect
KRS-One: i still dont understand how laser pointers can be steady enough to light a moving airplane cockpit from the ground at a distance
KRS-One: the further away the more shaky and inaccurate they get..you can barely hit the moon if at all for instance.
jurov: they don't need to be steady
moiety: asciilifeform: not quite but i like that one way more XD
jurov: just flah when the beam crosses the target
moiety: i'll find it if you want to see it
KRS-One: guess you can flash them easily but only for a moment here and there
jurov: when the eye is accustomed to dark, it's ver sensitive
jurov: anyway, this is lost cause
ozbot: Iridian, LaseReflect, , LaseReflect Aviators - 532/1064 nm,
moiety: lol their graph looks terrible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00086757 = 10.4976 BTC [-] {2}
Dimsler_: mircea_popescu, that jew plead not guilty
moiety: mircea_popescu: good...silliness ftw
moiety: is it asciilifeform honestly, i could've cried yesterday!
moiety: in scotland, if you hit a deer and kill it, you are allowed to take it home
moiety: yeah i can understand that
moiety: people just don't here but our cars are tiny so i think its usually a transport issue!!
moiety: strap a deer to a nissan micra? nope
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00087057 = 7.1822 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 160 @ 0.00475943 = 0.7615 BTC [-] {9}
ozbot: BitBet - MtGox out of business in 2014
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11539 @ 0.00086778 = 10.0133 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11921 @ 0.00087033 = 10.3752 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0055 = 0.198 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 159 @ 0.00083455 = 0.1327 BTC [+]
ozbot: The miracles that matter pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
moiety: i don't like otc, it's boring.
benkay: there's not much worth trading at this early juncture, moiety
benkay: mircea_popescu, linking a USG publication as a source of useful numbers?! will miracles never cease...
mircea_popescu: benkay all is possible, praise allah and his true prophet obama
moiety: ah kk benkay, i'll stick around
benkay: all but colored coins being a useful thing, eh wot?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 37 @ 0.0055 = 0.2035 BTC
moiety: i was reading about those, didn't make much sense to me
benkay: don't you see the genius?
benkay: you can send a colored coin representing what you aver to be your stock in pepsi to a stranger over the internet.
mircea_popescu: a more ver averring never coulding be possible to have taken place.
moiety: but it just seems ennecessary to me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13556 @ 0.00087073 = 11.8036 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: what ever happened to those ridiculous people that wanted to track everyone's wallets?
benkay: oh man mp you broke my head with that sentence
benkay: a vorhees avers a virtuous stock vending
mircea_popescu: a more very averring never coulding be possible to have taken place.
benkay: your prose is so boiled down and reduced the omission of single letters can render it gibberish
benkay: i was trying to render ver into some sense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14907 @ 0.00087194 = 12.998 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Twitter / pidjin: #romania Protesting against ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1524 @ 0.00086949 = 1.3251 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: that for instance is re the mining thing i mentioned a while back.
Dimsler_: spiders have the most amount of gay sex
moiety: my address will take 4 hours, is that usual? 1chipug was gonna take 3 days
moiety: --and yes, my laptop is shit
benkay: relevant to spider sex
moiety: totally! queen of relevance me
ozbot: Peacock Spider 7 - YouTube
benkay: yeah moiety you in trouble nao
moiety: benkay: that spider is so cute!!!
benkay: moiety: and downright hypnotic to boot
moiety: spider: \o/ ladies over here! \o/
moiety: that is so cool, plenty hiding space, i am small! lol what do you use it for asciilifeform?
moiety: it weighs the same as me!!!!
moiety: benkay: 6 is a good video too. the males really like to rub their balls (palps) on their faces don't they?!
moiety: asciilifeform: it's even got a Big Red Button!
moiety: i need this in my life :(
benkay: mandated even, depending on jurisdiction.
moiety: i was always waiting on some twat getting caught in the shredder at work
benkay: what, so that you could clean up the mess?!
moiety: asciilifeform: so in the first pic, you can open the boxy bit and this2nd pic is what is in side?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00086893 = 9.2976 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: apologies, lasers are fascinating
moiety: woah, you def need your Big Red Button
moiety: is it always the same strength?
moiety: of zappage or can you adjust
moiety: and do you ever lase things you shouldn't?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00087312 = 6.7667 BTC [+]
moiety: benkay: what have you done, im watching all these spider vids now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0008645 = 10.2876 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 79 @ 0.00470001 = 0.3713 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: so a palestinian jew, snowden and obama walk into a bar
moiety: ah kk promise i'll stop with the laser interrogation now asciilifeform XD
moiety: mircea_popescu: no! seemed a lot shorter than the chipug one!
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, you're basically bruteforcing the hash function
benkay: mining, but with only the reward of a shiny address.
moiety: i could find occasion asciilifeform
moiety: so i'm mining again.... look at me, I'm growing
ozbot: Start me up « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic.
moiety: meh build a house around it
moiety: LOL i like this pidgin comic
mircea_popescu: then host mtv's annual "one thousand derpy chicks in bikinis doing the undulation-on-the-spot" thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11379 @ 0.00086362 = 9.8271 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Mobile Oppression Palace - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki
benkay: back in my semi days i had major wood for the synova machines
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10467 @ 0.00086288 = 9.0318 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me that rather than having a precision mounted, high power supercolimated laser to blind pilots half mile away at the cost of about a million or so
mircea_popescu: as far as my memory serves those things do customarily bridge a half mile gap
moiety: lol naturally! perfect place asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: and besides... the plane is not as hard to hit as a barn
mircea_popescu: even if you miss it you got a good chance of downing it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 625 @ 0.00018001 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7648 @ 0.00086485 = 6.6144 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so where is the big scare about all the people with their ATM systems within 2 miles of airports ?
mircea_popescu: seems a lot more practical to fly a RC plane carring a load of cherry bombs into a plane than to aim laser pointers at the cockpit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14194 @ 0.00017699 = 2.5122 BTC [-] {5}
chetty: They are working on it, searching cars and stuff. Pretty soon no cars withing 2miles of airport (hmm bitbet fodder)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9402 @ 0.0008695 = 8.175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.124 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: << waves at the NSA guy recording
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o wait. i remember now. strela was the only portion of iraq's revolutionary guard that actually did any damage whatsoever
mircea_popescu: there were what, a dozen or two planes lost to the... 5 batteries they had ?
benkay: better kill rate than the Boeing batteries...
ozbot: Reach for the sky Overzealous Heathrow security officials confiscate Toy Story cowboy Woody DOLL'S m
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00086339 = 7.8568 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: somebody make guncoin!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1292 @ 0.000475 = 0.6137 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00086725 = 33.4759 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: you live in scotland, i gather moiety?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00086745 = 7.4167 BTC [+]
moiety: i can send you some really nice whiskey lol
ozbot: Sophisticated but low-tech power grid attack baffles authorities - latimes.com
benkay: ah good the privitization of the North American polizei will begin shortly
mircea_popescu: if 100 mn people shuffle paper, 100mn people prop rifles guarding them and the rest do laundry, moccacinos and babysitting for the other two groups
mircea_popescu: " The FBI is still working the case, and agents say they are confident it was not the work of terrorists.
mircea_popescu: What they do not have is a motive, fingerprints or suspects."
mircea_popescu: here's a free theory : silicon valley entertains these delusions of fighting the bitcoin republic.
benkay: implying these were bitterrists?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4239 @ 0.00086271 = 3.657 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: merely observing that if the us holds no bitcoin, the continued existence of the us is of no further importance.
mircea_popescu: wanna-be leaders are playing with their own future and that's about all.
benkay: the smart ones are long
benkay: all local power structures are in for a serious shakeup
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00017445 = 0.157 BTC [-] {4}
moiety: that gold crackhead actually broke imgur. still cant get it to load...and i never even saw her!
moiety: i usually use it.... must be the crack element
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086 = 3.44 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nobody's gassing anybody dood. the times when men were men and stuff happened are long gone.
mircea_popescu: now the downside of dumping the entire bulk of us secrets on the open market is... well... you won't get any ice in your soda. THATLL TEACH YOU!
mircea_popescu: sort-of like how kramer removed the dessicant packets from some store.
mircea_popescu: who'd have thought this, sony, the king&queen of foundries, the master of entertainment
mircea_popescu: ;;later mike_c hey check out SNE : 95 revenue per share, trading at 17.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "mike_c" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey check out SNE : 95 revenue per share, trading at 17.
BingoBoingo: In the coming decades there will probably be some "Japanese Syndrome" appearing in scholarly paper supposing something or another explains Sony. I doubt it will get to the root cause which is the Japanese fucking drought.
moiety: oh dear god whats wrong with her face
mircea_popescu: and a book value per share of roughly twice the share price. incredible.
moiety: i think my laptop was trying to protect me by blocking imgur
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0694 = 0.4858 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: what's happened with BTCe? 40k?
moiety: they've said they aren't covering it
ozbot: IF YOU LOSE YOUR EMAIL PROVIDER ALL OF YOUR COINS ON BTC-E WILL BE LOST : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: derp security model : why use gpg keys ? use emails instead!
Duffer1: top comment "I dont recommend anyone to hold their money in one exchange but 3 different"
moiety: thank you mircea_popescu
moiety: they are saying they have been hacked to the tune of 40,000btc
Duffer1: where are they saying this?
moiety: oh wait, im getting told from someone else. the wallet the alleged hacker has, has 40k in it
moiety: that's what i hated most about being scammed. i could see where it went and couldn't do anything about it
Duffer1: how much did you get taken for?
Duffer1: sucks man, sorry to hear it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: For some definitions, but not especially busy.
benkay: you got off light, moiety.
mircea_popescu: how about making a complete collection of satoshi's letters to the various email lists ?
moiety: thanks guys. oh i know that benkay, thing was, it wasn't my BTC
moiety: and its a lot when you don't have it to replace instantly
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Why not? Shouldn't be anywhere near as bad as trying to get a useful transcript out of that NYDFS abortion.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You have a timeline in mind?
cazalla: moiety: so you lost it recently?
BingoBoingo: I'll try to get them together within a week or two.
moiety: lol nooo cazalla this is what makes it even worse! It was when they were like around $1k!
moiety: will *not* happen to me again though! tell yous that!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Any good ideas where to begin looking? I know the early ones are on the cryptography mailing list.
moiety: BingoBoingo: i know you said to do this months ago too.... but im vanitying as we speak! :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you reduce the search to "satoshi" you find 2x as many hits
benkay: ALL MUST WADE THROUGH THE SWAMP
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18951 @ 0.00085948 = 16.288 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: also relevant to things
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the one thing of course is that there was that guy earlier declaring he hs proof satoshi = nick szabo on the grounds of linguistic analysis
benkay: "Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale"
BingoBoingo: Ok, so the pre- November 22nd, 2009 forum is gone from sourceforge.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 37 @ 0.05877025 = 2.1745 BTC [+] {8}
BingoBoingo: The internet is better at forgetting than people give it credit for.
benkay: midnightmagic: it'd be a blessing to history if you'd help track one down.
midnightmagic: benkay: I agree. :-( The complete collected writing of Satoshi I think would provide incredible insight overall just as simple reading material. Unfortunately since bitcointalk edits history enormously, the history will likely never be complete.
benkay: something's better than nothing!
benkay: ha shit so in this case bitbet could be used as a bounty system
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 332 @ 0.00086045 = 0.2857 BTC [+]
benkay: "archives of pre 2009 bitcointalk.org will be posted for public consumption by thus and such a date"
benkay: anyone with a copy of the forum can post 0.1 on yes, post the copies and claim the reward.
moiety: cheerio! i can't promise..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0485 = 0.194 BTC [-]
moiety: she doesnt look real dude
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00086476 = 14.4415 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: ;;later tell benkay neither! I take it back!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04770007 = 0.5724 BTC [-] {4}
moiety: ;;later tell benkay wrong again, but i know now :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00086591 = 9.7848 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.573 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00086402 = 9.1586 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 32 @ 0.07792113 = 2.4935 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5636 @ 0.00086398 = 4.8694 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086415 = 4.7528 BTC [+]
ozbot: Bitcoin withdrawal processing suspended - Bitstamp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00086415 = 2.3764 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 200 @ 0.00198459 = 0.3969 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00086415 = 0.3025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1777 @ 0.00016951 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00086605 = 0.5196 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 10000 @ 0.000107 = 1.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15510 @ 0.00086393 = 13.3996 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.080007 = 0.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1262 @ 0.000107 = 0.135 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 13000 @ 0.000105 = 1.365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00086605 = 4.1137 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086672 = 10.834 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00086675 = 0.3034 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00086798 = 5.9023 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.08 = 1.92 BTC [-]
jurov: benkay we tried a bounty "bitcoin spec to be published by summer" but obviously it did not work :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086809 = 6.0766 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04896988 = 0.1959 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04896988 = 0.4407 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.080007 = 4.0004 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04896988 = 0.2448 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086804 = 4.7742 BTC [-]
KRS-One: Did jew guys see this? McCaleb is back-
KRS-One: wtf she has dirty man feet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53999999 = 1.08 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086768 = 7.6356 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00086812 = 17.102 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086867 = 10.6412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5467 @ 0.00086934 = 4.7527 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14247 @ 0.00086764 = 12.3613 BTC [-] {2}
usaoscoin: KRS-One: that last one is not very hot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19593 @ 0.00086724 = 16.9918 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00086934 = 13.3009 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086665 = 11.0065 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086329 = 3.4532 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52002001 = 1.04 BTC [-]
KRS-One: usaoscoin: yeah and I have a thing about females having man hands or man feet. Don't blame me if you begin to notice this more =D
KRS-One: Ever see a girl with a man-ass?
kakobrekla: you know we ar eopen you here, you can just say you like men KRS-One
kakobrekla: and we understand you are using .bait excessively to help cover for it
ThickAsThieves: "Crowd gathers to welcome man who says he spent a year adrift in the Pacific Ocean, surviving on fish and turtle blood."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.0056871 = 0.3697 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8270 @ 0.00086345 = 7.1407 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.04668543 = 0.8403 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00086329 = 11.1364 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00086591 = 17.7512 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.49550000 / 0.52362164 / 0.57900200 (178 shares, 93.20465206 BTC), 7D: 0.49000000 / 0.53917608 / 0.61000000 (898 shares, 484.18012358 BTC), 30D: 0.34000000 / 0.53484515 / 0.74500000 (4452 shares, 2381.13062938 BTC)
assbot: Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.52002001 BTC [-]
KRS-One: kakobrekla: I'll hold off on the feminine European jokes and just say I have more hetero-juice in my chesthairs then I really need =D
KRS-One: you don't see man-feet in that last pic?
KRS-One: hey did you see this site?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499999 BTC [+]
KRS-One: how do i search the #bitcoin-assets log? Just do a google search?
deadweasel: seems like the way, if you can't grep your own logs
KRS-One: when im not connected to IRC i'm not logging irc.
KRS-One: Maybe we should send MtGox some new bounce balls to sit on.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.08 = 1.84 BTC [-]
deadweasel: i'm pretty sure they capable of fucking themselves w/o our help.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00086329 = 12.0861 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00535987 = 0.5253 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00530421 = 0.1963 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7917 @ 0.00086717 = 6.8654 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086741 = 6.9393 BTC [+] {3}
Apocalyptic: "mark karpeles was raised in a romanian orphanage" // mircea may have some insights on that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10748 @ 0.00086461 = 9.2928 BTC [-]
jurov: o, he's expert on romanian orphanages?
jurov: yes, you did not receive anything?
jurov: i'll retry without otr
Apocalyptic: jurov, well that's where he picks up the chicks right ?
jurov: ThickAsThieves: still nothing? i see everything you pm me
ThickAsThieves: "Has anyone thought about holding a decentralized conference as well? "
mike_c: i guess he hasn't heard of this channel.
jurov: bitcoin-assets : the longest ongoing bitcoin conference
ThickAsThieves: what's next, Has anyone considering decentralizing love?
jurov: it's called polyamory
jurov: how to decentralize glory holes ?
pankkake: so basically decentralized is masturbation. seems consistent
ThickAsThieves: it's a lot of people doing alone, what they could be doing together
ThickAsThieves: "The journey is over for China's moon rover. China's state news agency is reporting today that the country's space agency has not been able to restore function to the Jade Rabbit rover"
benkay: now imagine if emails cost a few satoshi.
ThickAsThieves: then drivel communications could be left for facebook etc
pankkake: I was thinking of creating a service for that. pay X coins to create an identity that will be allowed without captchas on any compatible website
ThickAsThieves: <pankkake> I was thinking of creating a service for that. pay X coins to create an identity that will be allowed without captchas on any compatible website ---- this falls under same premise as me wanting the WoT to be user/service friendly
benkay: "i am user thus and such"
ThickAsThieves: make like Wotsy or whatever, and use it for auth all over the web
benkay: receive and process response to challenge, return "yes" or "no" to service who's curious about a particular login
pankkake: eh, a few months ago, I was looking for something to write, and a guy told me "make otc user friendly"
benkay: your barrier is still the GPG part. no amout of user-friendliness is going to get past the challenges most internet users will have with gpg authentication.
pankkake: but things like openpgpjs are not secure
pankkake: creates a false sense of security at least
pankkake: yes, why not. but it's not especially friendlier, you have to copy paste etc.
pankkake: I was thinking of generating GPG contracts for trades etc., the whole thing
Apocalyptic: i never really got why gribble allows a btc-address based identiy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086565 = 10.9938 BTC [+]
pankkake: it's just less practical for authentication, GPG keys are much more flexible and secure especially if you use multiple computers
Apocalyptic: why would people use that whereas there is a GPG identity system based exactly for that purpose, much older and wider spread
pankkake: you can only use subkeys for example
pankkake: supports revocation, too. basically bitcoin signatures are "lower level", you have a public/private key and that's it
Apocalyptic: to me it comes unatural to use btc-privkey for auth purposes
benkay: just because there's a keypair in there doesn't mean one should use it.
benkay: "we need a feature!" strikes again.
pankkake: you can use it, there's just no advantage in using it
benkay: from an opsec perspective, many disadvantages.
pankkake: and you're stuck with that priv/pub key forever
benkay: the answer to your question is yes, ThickAsThieves.
benkay: btc keypairs are ephemeral. gpg has a whole toolchain around the use-cases for crypto that have, you know, actually been thought through.
benkay: maybe poorly, but nowhere near as poorly as those in the wild for btc message signing.
benkay: what about btc-key based decryption of messages? do we have this yet? i've never looked for the functionality.
pankkake: bitcoin's encryption choices come from the need to have small outputs too, gpg doesn't and can thus do a lot of other things
ThickAsThieves: just saying btc message signing has worked just fine for me
pankkake: another feature is signing other's keys. basically, serves as identity verification
pankkake: well actually you don't sign the key, you sign an identity (name+mail usually)
assbot: Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.5499999 BTC [+]
benkay: operational security is one of those things that can be done entirely incorrectly and feel so right to the end-user.
benkay: this is one of the reasons I want a cardano.
jurov: nekay, gpg key is no less ephemeral than bitcoin
benkay: jurov: that's a little pedantic, neh?
benkay: fully granted that they're both just bits on disk.
jurov: either you backup it and risk it will leak (or that you forget the passphrase)
jurov: or you don't backup
Apocalyptic: jurov, he didn't meant ephemeral in that way
benkay: but btc addresses are generated and thrown away regularly in the satoshi client.
jurov: and will lose it anyway
jurov: orly? afaik they ware never wiped out from the wallet
benkay: a gpg keypair is meant to endure through many many uses.
benkay: not "wiped" no but one can exceed the 100 pregenerated addresses
benkay: iirc, wallets are written to disk with the next hundred receipt addresses
jurov: of course it's not limited, just increase the pool and it refills
Apocalyptic: and the "100" figure is just the default keypoolsize
benkay: if you "ask" the client for more than that number of receipt addresses, your old backups become stale.
jurov: i have seen 120MB wallet in the wild, did not count how many addies
benkay: kinda makes my point for me
benkay: addresses are spun up routinely. gpg keys should be treated differently.
jurov: ah so. but it's the same with pgp. if you swet expiry date as they recommend
jurov: and don't backup after you have prolonged it
jurov: then it ends the same
jurov: all in all, i don't see any substantial difference
benkay: client meeting. api vendor wrangling.
jurov: btw, use electrum then. one passphrase forever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00086546 = 3.0291 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: just got a forum PM for a guy looking to do a face-to-face casascius-for-cash trade
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00086648 = 11.1343 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "i can probably find someone to meet you in most major cities. other than quebec."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00086725 = 10.5805 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07252498 = 0.7252 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.073795 = 0.5904 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.07399555 = 0.666 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.43596731 BTC to 1`497 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00086385 = 12.6554 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 25086 @ 0.000105 = 2.634 BTC [-]
freztek: he only came in here to shout assbot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0008681 = 2.6043 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00086828 = 13.5886 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00086637 = 1.4728 BTC [-]
ozbot: Another JPMorgan Banker Dies, 37 Year Old Executive Director Of Program Trading | Zero Hedge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00086516 = 3.6769 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00086854 = 1.7371 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00086862 = 6.8621 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.07388095 = 1.5515 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8473 @ 0.00086939 = 7.3663 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: "mark karpeles was raised in a romanian orphanage" << wait, WHAT ?!
mircea_popescu: jurov: it's called polyamory << don't be silly, that's not decentralised love, that's just love without arbitrary barriers to entry.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: imagine if every byte you threw in this channel cost a few satoshi. << eventually the chan will work like mpex, +m and it costs w/e to have voice.
mircea_popescu: i made trilema +m at some point in 2012 when i was sick of the romanians' drivel
ozbot: O luna de #trilema, prin ochii lu’ gribble pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: no wait i was wrong, it did 60k lines in a month. so about like this thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform experimentally, you don't need that much code because not that many people will be paying anyway.
mircea_popescu: even so. you can just make it "donate 0.10000586" btc to #freenode's btc addy
deadweasel: freenode doesn't take donations anymore, iirc
ThickAsThieves: Klout, controversial service that measured online 'influence,' reportedly being acquired for $100 million
ozbot: Bye bye PDPC | staffblog
deadweasel: in fact, mp, why not start your own IRCnet? Then you could throttle everything at will.
pankkake: irc networks are like standards
mircea_popescu: deadweasel which explains why we're not doing i tyet :D
mircea_popescu: it's a good reserve power anyway, if we ever need to make our own irc network.
mircea_popescu: afaik they haven't yet decided whether they wish to have a future as the irc network where bitcoin happens or would rather not have any future at all.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd seems probable in some estimations, and so we wait.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12221002 BTC [-]
deadweasel: yea, those decisions tend to make themselves, in time.
mircea_popescu: jurov: automatically << fie upon that word. think of it, gpg keypairs are not generated "automatically"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12211 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221002 BTC [-]
ozbot: crisader comments on The REAL Altcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 36 @ 0.19376446 = 6.9755 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i could see sexually frustrated feminists proposing penis scuttle valves
mircea_popescu: course the serious rapists would just start carrying strap-ons, but what's a feminist to know of economy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10240 @ 0.00086939 = 8.9026 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10339 @ 0.00086994 = 8.9943 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087026 = 13.6631 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Big Idea 2014: Predictions from PayPal | LinkedIn
ThickAsThieves: 4. Bitcoin will continue to gain ground (but not as a currency)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0055 = 0.825 BTC
mircea_popescu: some currencies out there are a bitcoin, if a very primitive sort and for short intervals.
Duffer1: 4. we're crapping our pants over here, please don't do to us what netflix did to blockbuster
ThickAsThieves: full text for the item is "Bitcoin will continue to attract more people as a store of value and a speculative investment asset. I predict that the value of Bitcoin still has the potential to double by the same time next year. But I believe it will have a hard time becoming mainstream as a currency, due to its expected continued volatility amidst regulation authorities and governments
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0818 = 0.3272 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so gavin is seriously saying "follow us @BTCFoundation " ?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 seems smart enough. i don't recall the last time a large fiat corp had a smart ceo.
Duffer1: is he smart enough to be worried is the question
mircea_popescu: if anyone has a reference client they're not running atm, or space to run one : please do so.
mircea_popescu: all these idiots with their web bs are caught in a cloud of pseudotx relying
mircea_popescu: reference clients can cut it down quite easily, but apparently there's not actually that many
mircea_popescu: but no, originally there were ~60k as a high point cca 2011
mircea_popescu: what, they're part of bitcoin now ? cool! so where's bitcoin supermarket ?
mircea_popescu: (togive them bitcoins on their bitcoin card to buy stuff in the bitcoin supermarket)
ozbot: Massive DDoS Attack Leveraged Network Timing Protocol: CloudFlare
mircea_popescu: cloudflare has been rehashing this story about every 3 months.
mircea_popescu: a) no cloudflare "customer" was ever protected by cloudflare of a "400 gpbs" attac
mircea_popescu: b) overall, the sum total of network time the cloudflare "customers" lost owing to cloudflare being a pos exceeds by degree of magnitude any mitigated "attacks"
mircea_popescu: this is not even going into the CA spoofing bs they do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00086862 = 4.3431 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.0818 = 0.6544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00087036 = 4.9611 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the massive derpage going on retardtalk, retarddit etc etc re spam txn really shows just how the population has changed.
mircea_popescu: i think bitcoin average has lost 20 points of iq over the past 2 years.
mircea_popescu: we've gone from "people could generally write a c compiler" to "people could not generally write hello world"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7627 @ 0.00087036 = 6.6382 BTC [+]
jurov: people could generally write a c compiler? that was average 2yrs ago?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: seeing how it discusses law enforcement, one'd expect everyone involved to be organically this stupid.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: after all the easier solution to not knowing something is to assume, not to find out.
mircea_popescu: (course the even easier solution is to just not not know in the first place0
mircea_popescu: what's the point of putting them in jail when they're already living in one anyway
ozbot: Wedlock (1991) - IMDb
mircea_popescu: anyway, those muppets really should have their own movie. just think :
mircea_popescu: highschool drop-out that's been working for 30 years as a pizza delivery boy
mircea_popescu: gets trapped in a plot between some ugly broad who thinks herself important and some really weird character
mircea_popescu: to rob a bank via bomb device with artsy cane gun, so as to have enough funds to pay for the weird character's murder of the woman;s father
mircea_popescu: except the father is bankrupt and the bank is some shitty us venue with ~1500 dollars in cash on the premises.
ozbot: Post Office Plan May Revolutionize the Financial Lives of the Unbanked - DailyFinance
ozbot: Goatse.cx pivots again to become a Dogecoin supporter | The Verge
pankkake: selling emails didn't work? eh.
pankkake: I remember they offered @goatse.cx emails but I thought it was too expensive for the novelty
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00086872 = 15.5501 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the funny thing of an advertising ponzi is that well... they keep burning the stuff.
mircea_popescu: eventually they'll have to either fold or go for superbowl ads
deadweasel: I was raised in a check cashing company.
deadweasel: I was cashing checks behind 2 inch glass when I was 14.
deadweasel: 300% interest, but no! it's a lease fee!
deadweasel: and that's how I was able to afford college (which was mostly useless)
mircea_popescu: so you got scammed out of the money you scammed out of idiots, pretty much ?
jcpham: lol @ goatse @ dogecoin
jcpham: HUGE boost in legitimacy for doge
davout: if you read the comments there's the fiverr ad for the actor down there
mike_c: i love fiverr. great for gag gifts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12288 @ 0.00087036 = 10.695 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
mircea_popescu: right in there with the strippers know better than to accept free btc from strangers.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what would average joe do if someone made an ipad app counting all the money he's lost each day over being a total derp.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00087036 = 6.3536 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: otherwise the fact any apps are installed at all becomes inexplicable
benkay: no dopamine hit, no install.
benkay: hey that's two in as many days
benkay: how are you drugging me from romania?
benkay: who put the pills in my cookie jar?
mike_c: whoa, what do you want to advertise that would mean buying out tpb? that's probably 300 btc a month.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i'm just doing it to piss off the gfy community
mike_c: hehe, i don't know what gfy is, but doing that just to piss someone off is great :)
punkman: exoclick specializes in matching shitty traffic to shitty ads
benkay: man i want to sell software to porn companies
mircea_popescu: BACK THEN making a thumbnail autogallery could well be 50k in fees and free passes for everywhere
benkay: the integral of the porn production curve is a SHITLOAD OF PORN
KRS-One: benkay's is way better i want her
benkay: yeah too bad content delivery is totes a solved thing
KRS-One: you guys saw the new mt.gox bouncie balls right =D\
benkay: bitcoin payments to the world's largest fuck-your-copyright stash of porn is a cool thing to build
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4659 @ 0.00087064 = 4.0563 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: whoa holy shit, the gfy forum comes in 10th for gfy ?!?!
mike_c: looks like they are on top of things
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ozbot: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Crypto Street For Sale
mircea_popescu: mike_c they're mostly adults, and the backbone has been sifted through ~20 years into some semblance of sanity.
mircea_popescu: which is why their forum has lived to 18mn posts of retarded nonsense.
ozbot: [ANN] Crypto.St - The one exchange to rule them all
mircea_popescu: so i guess the yet-another-one exchange "to rule them all" has managed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14626 @ 0.00087065 = 12.7341 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210001 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: from cognitive thread > I vote for Kakobrekla, He seems highly interested in this company and I bet he will tell us every thing that is wrong with it supper fast so we/he can fix it.
mike_c: watch out kako, votes on the forum are binding. you're going to have a new job before you know it.
mircea_popescu: "here is some stupid shit we did back when you were telling us better and we were all smug and thought we knew better"
mircea_popescu: these disgusting meatbags actually imagine the entire world is their dysfunctional fambly.
mircea_popescu: at least around these parts what you say to the unhousebroken kiddios is "they ain't the house of your stupid mother"
diametric: mircea_popescu: i am now, whats up?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00086862 = 2.9967 BTC [-]
gribble: Nick 'diametric', with hostmask 'diametric!~diametric@2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe27:bf9d', is identified as user 'diametric', with GPG key id BDD47433133081CF, key fingerprint 0789CB4F508B384EB74CEFBFBDD47433133081CF, and bitcoin address None
deadweasel: clearly, the failure lies in kakobrekla not being re-banned in a timely m anner
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.0008709 = 16.3294 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00016543 = 1.6543 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00086862 = 11.4224 BTC [-]
deadweasel: I was just reading what Morell injected into HItler everyday, what a ride that must have been:
ozbot: Theodor Morell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
HeySteve: I believe Kennedy was on a lot too
pankkake: <minerpart> yeah I nkow, pankkake quoted this channel earlier. He is a dirty fucking French prick and he knows it. Just like his Nazi sympathising grandparents he is scum and will do anything for dirty cash.
pankkake: <minerpart> I've met a lot of French people and they are 100% decent and down to earth. But then you always get the odd little shit who would fuck his own mother for cash - that's pankkake.
ozbot: ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00087112 = 3.4845 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: pankkake: He's just pissed you took away his scam income
pankkake: well they still can't trade anyway
pankkake: <minerpart> His grandmother was probably raped by a Nazi storm trooper. That's makes him Bastard Nazi offspring. Pure scum.
pankkake: at least he knows some French history
mircea_popescu: lol omfg how dare people say thos things about pankkake
pankkake: <minerpart> I've offered to meet him at any railway station in France as I'm southern England. He's a pussy, he wont meet me. A sad little prick with a big internet presence. You know what that means - he's never fucked a girl. Probably followed a few home though then gone home and jerked himself off.
pankkake: I thought it was another guy who offered. or he just out-socked himself
jurov: nice, can't he be hired? or is he already?
pankkake: I only know of my mother-side family history during the war
pankkake: I guess when you don't know, it's probably bad :p
jurov: not bad. maybe we can arrange for him to meet someone davout hates
mircea_popescu: i like the logic involved tho. retarded romanians were going on about similar nonsense all through the late 00s
pankkake: just offered to meet for 0.2 BTC
mircea_popescu: "omfg what do you mean some people are actually impoirtant and thus therefore you need to jump through hoops to meet them, unlike me"
mircea_popescu: latest on retarded blog : "president of aol is a pussy, i sent him messages to meet me at any train station of his choosing he said he doesn't use trains"
pankkake: I never refused, just said I wasn't going to do it for free
mircea_popescu: as if somehow the entire world is this proving ground for impudent cocklets and everyone is their peer.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: I see no way that you time in person isn't worth at least 25 BTC to him.
jurov: pankkake: tell him you're actually canadian
deadweasel: well, that's the majority of the worlds opinion, as most don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
punkman: you guys ever read one of those 419 scambaiting safaris?
deadweasel: BingoBoingo has a point, you just priced yourself like a whore.
deadweasel: this is where your 'truthing' gets you, on a train stomping some poor teenager for .2 btc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00044999 = 0.135 BTC [+]
davout: jurov: that sounds like fun
ozbot: The Road to Chad/Darfur
mike_c: mpoe-pr fights the good fight for a healthy salary. i don't know why you bang your head against that wall.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 768 @ 0.00083461 = 0.641 BTC [-]
davout: jurov: i'd need to find someone i hate though, i usually try to limit myself to ignoring
ozbot: ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison
deadweasel: did you just add that to your sig, pankkake ? XD
pankkake: yeah I have a few topics like that
pankkake: I have bitcointalk in muscle memory, need to fix that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 293 @ 0.00505 = 1.4797 BTC [+]
pankkake: <minerpart__> Fuck off pankkake you prick. You really think I would waste my time fucking off to France to hang around a station only to see you don't show up? You fucking idiot
kakobrekla: i think thesevend is missing on the table
mike_c: where is this lovefest taking place?
deadweasel: is there a #burn-pankkake chan or what?
pankkake: theseven wasn't a willing participant
pankkake: he was contracted for stuff, and named
[7]: did they finally get hold of alberto or whoever was behind all of this?
pankkake: there's an italian lawsuit it seems
mircea_popescu: pankkake the part you don't know is that i could sue you in romanian court right now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1322 @ 0.00083461 = 1.1034 BTC [-]
pankkake: well the guy's probably in italy
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pankkake: what's so bad about dr greg anyway?
punkman: he could IPO that forehead
kakobrekla: can we have s.laughing so we have a laughing stock?
pankkake: ok, tomorrow I will not go on bitcointalk
pankkake: I can sleep again too, so time capitalize on it
benkay: ahahahahahahaha dr greg loses it all on btc.sx
mircea_popescu: pankkake what is bad about dr greg is that it's generally worse to have a half-educated idiot than ap ure idiot.
pankkake: as in more dangerous? ok. but then forum pr could be better…
mircea_popescu: i'd rather teach a monkey to invest than a bitcointalk-er.
punkman: wouldn't a monkey, sans training, do better than the average bitcointalk-er?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02580898 = 0.5162 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399 = 0.148 BTC [+]
benkay: pankkake: you gotta link greg to the bitcointalk post where MP and smickles expose the btc.sx scam
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.07498844 = 0.9748 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210002 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
pankkake: I don't think dr greg listed the things he was going to use beforehand
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's okay, he just knows better than anyone anyway.
benkay: no but now you can castigate him for ignoring the bitlord
pankkake: well I gave him BTC. not my most shameful investment though
benkay: what were you thinking!
benkay: PIFF is the place for low returns!
pankkake: he left a nice comment about PIF too :)
benkay: you already own the low-returns market!
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu would you really teach a willing student to invest?
benkay: that's good. a sign of competence, being nice.
pankkake: I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04799999 = 0.24 BTC [+]
pankkake: i.e. stock market full of printed money, or those nice savings account
pankkake: but investing in startups is often a loss; the general public doesn't do it however
kakobrekla: at least for a fraction of the problem
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04799999 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: general public is going to do it now that sec restrictions have been lifted.
kakobrekla: pankkake general public can use kickstarter :)
pankkake: at least for the time being, as it's new
davout: pankkake: i offered this minerpart guy to escrow, lets see if some lulz can be harvested
mike_c: half of assets jumped into activemining to watch this :)
kakobrekla: anyway pankkake there is more scam than you think in fiat world
pankkake: and very similar ones than in btc
pankkake: actually, I was scammed by my banker
Asa9: w00t! I'm op in #fiat-assets!! THANKS MP!
kakobrekla: was it like in southpark "and its gone?"
pankkake: basically it was mass-sold by French banks, to noobs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087112 = 3.6587 BTC [+]
pankkake: they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs
kakobrekla: i sold all my remaining fiat stock when btc was 80$ i think. already at that time, that was only a tiny fraction of my net.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: 23:43.15 ( pankkake ) they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs < lulz
pankkake: I only ever bought one company because that was the only one I understood
pankkake: made a profit, though fees ate most of it (again, poor student)
pankkake: should have done the same with the bitcoin…
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5763 @ 0.00087143 = 5.0221 BTC [+] {2}
davout: pankkake: so apparently this guy is ok to meet you at any train station to give you a beating for a fee
pankkake: beating up a guy in crowded areas, smart
davout: do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00087155 = 11.5045 BTC [+] {2}
davout: pankkake: it's full of cops, they're usually the ones involved in beatings there :D
pankkake: but he's serious about the beating. I thought he wanted to meet
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Maybe you both leave your respective countries for this meeting. I might suggest the 5th and Washington Station in East St Louis.
pankkake: is there a reference I'm missing?
BingoBoingo: pankkake: No, I'm just thinking of the most interesting train stations I know.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: This could be one of the few white dude fights on World Star HipHop
mike_c: i'm sure you could hire a stand-in for cheap
pankkake: hm kinda wrong, once a guy punched me and I wasn't expecting it
Mats_cd03: Beating him up and getting away with it
davout: pankkake: the way i see it, for maximum lulz he should show up after a 5 hour trip, having had all the time to come to the conclusion that beating someone up in a public place, in a foreign country isn't such a good idea after all
pankkake: certainly not on the list of the guys I'd like to beat up
pankkake: the actual scam runners why not
BingoBoingo: Well, at the station I suggested it might be more problematic for him if you don't fight back. Nearly every white person outside of the train there is usually a plain clothes police officer. He finds himself in a foreign jail ??? Profit?
pankkake: human psychology's weird. you often don't end up doing what you thought you would do
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones what do you figure i (we) are doing herei n the first place ?
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments << mothers are to blame.
ozbot: tears For Fears Original 1980's video in HQ Mothers Talk - YouTube
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> actually, I was scammed by my banker << you know the luis de funes movie re scammed by banker ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]
Shakespeare: <mircea_popescu> mothers are to blame. --- O! I said this to #ActM only minutes ago "Bastard begot, bastard instructed, bastard in mind ... in everything illegitimate."
ozbot: Faites sauter la banque (1964) - IMDb
mircea_popescu: <davout> do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble? <<< yes.
mircea_popescu: they also imagine they can just start "a security" and it'll all just fall into place
KRS-One: <+eoar> Bitcoin in 20 years will be like a cassette tape now. Clunky and outdated and surpassed by a much superior crypto <<<< interesting analogy
davout: mircea_popescu: i understand that they imagine it, i sense there's an opportunity to arbitrage between reality and their imagination
mircea_popescu: we used to do this thing whereby we'd dress up nice and clean, go to some disco in the sticks, a village somewhere
Shakespeare: Did you know I share the same birthday as Tony Danza and Shirley Temple?
mircea_popescu: the net result being that the doods' all gather up to beat these atrociously obnoxious town bois
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu While a useful tidbit is occasionally passed along, I mostly see a lot of self-righteous "I told you so" comments about any business (I'm using the term loosely) that is less than an absolute success.
pankkake: Shakespeare: they don't have the same birthday. SCAM
Jere_Jones: The possibility exists that I am simply too inexperienced to know wisdom when it slaps me in the face like a trout.
mircea_popescu: part of the problem here would be that none of those things you use the term loosely for are anywhere in range for meaningful commentary.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> why? << mothers are to blame because in their quest to protect their offspring they manage to fuck up the offspring's risk evaluator.
Jere_Jones: I see a lot of "That's dumb", "They are unqualified", "They shouldn't do that". With the exception of your "So you're thinking of starting a bitcoin business" post on bitcoin-talk (which I have read multiple times), there is almost no "Thou shalt do".
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones it's mpoe-prs, and the problem with "Thou shalt do" is that a) there's a lot less of that available than you'd want, and b) people are well impervious to listening anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
Jere_Jones: *I* am not impervious to listening. At least, I try not to be.
mircea_popescu: in it, you will find : "Much like “nobody knows how to make movies” was generally true in Hollywood, “nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses” is generally true in Bitcoin. Nevertheless, this does not logically follow into “so then everyone has the same chances, noobs and veterans alike”. Such a proposition could not be further from the truth, because the veterans have the sizable advantage that they kn
mircea_popescu: ow all the ways movies can’t be made. That’s what they’ve been doing with their years and the investors’ money up to that point : not coming one iota closer to knowing how movies can be made, but establishing vast inroads into the obviously endless topic of how they can’t in fact be made. Noobs bereft of this very valuable (in that it’s very expensive) knowledge ain’t got a prayer."
mircea_popescu: now, had you read that before or is it your first time ?
Jere_Jones: It has enough familiarness to it that I think I've read it before, but not enough that it sank in to any depth.
mircea_popescu: when i say to moiety "you're wasting your time doing something we know is stupid. waste your time doing something we don't know is stupid yet." this is what i'm referencing.
mircea_popescu: in short : the "positive" tidbits are extremely easy to miss, because they depend on other positive tidbits
ozbot: Shanghai Tower (650 meters) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087171 = 3.8704 BTC [+]
Jere_Jones: I think I might be starting to understand a little of what you're saying. I shall return to my lurking, listening and learning.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7320 @ 0.00087172 = 6.381 BTC [+] {2}
Jere_Jones: Question: Exactly which WOT is the "So you want to start a business" post talking about? I know of the #bitcoin-otc wot and the mywot.com site.
davout: Jere_Jones: bitcoin-otc
jurov: <mircea_popescu> beat the shit out of the entire village youth << oh my what am i doing around such people again?
benkay: 'tain't too late to spin up a new one.
mircea_popescu: jurov what, i'm a lovable huggable simpleminded psychopath.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones well so there you go : DON'T LOSE YOUR KEY OMFG BBQ
ozbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't suppose you're liable to go around deciding to beat people because "they're on your turf" and obviously they seem like townfolk so perhaps they're not quite as hard as all that.
mircea_popescu: just so happens that stuff seeming soft can in fact be as hard as coffin nails, somewhere in there.
jurov: hm can't comprehend that "i don't suppose" ?
jurov: should get my nightly glass of wine
deadweasel: holy shit TAT push atc in minerpart__ chan
jurov: still eludes me what turf and what with hardness of townfolk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
jurov: one has just imagine being in their skin
davout: tricking people in thinking you'll be easy prey to beat them up afterwards is still evil mircea_popescu
davout: but evil can be fun heh
jurov: why evil? they deserve it
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davout: if the original point is to go there with the goal to end up kcking their ass by tricking them into thinking you're evil so they will be the ones picking the fight is manipulation
jurov: BingoBoingo: it wasn't sufficiently decentralized
davout: but like i said that can be fun
BingoBoingo: jurov: Of course. What boggles me is they had a full 900 BTC allegedly.
davout: benkay: i'd say IRL trolling actually
benkay: man the worst part of working at a cafe with a great view on a busy corner is all the tail walking by i'm separated from talking to by a pane of glass
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mircea_popescu: eventually you notice you can only fuck so much and stop caring
benkay: yeah also nowhere near well enough capitalized to dress 'em all nicely either
benkay: but also it's the chase mircea_popescu the chase and the conquest
benkay: surely you know the routine
jurov: that's basically what i suggested to davout
jurov: but seems he's too cultured to arrange that
BingoBoingo: There's plenty of failed athletes desperate enough for the cash to allow pocketing quite the spread
davout: asciilifeform: that sounds like a very good way to harvest both lulz and profits
davout: jurov: did you, sorry i must've missed it
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pankkake: I have glasses, huge disadvantage in a fistfight
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Hire an alternate to identify as pankkake. Look for College footballers and handeggers who missed the cutoff to go pro.
jurov: they don't american football in fr