jurov: i stand corrected
BingoBoingo: jurov: As a courtesy I refer to American football as handegg
davout: helmets are for faggots
pankkake: it's not the same
pankkake: exactly
pankkake: no protection
davout: on concrete
pankkake: :D
davout: only in winter
BingoBoingo: By football I mean the game with the kicking and skinny latinos
jurov: and theatrical injuries
jurov: and false rape claims
jurov: er, no... pilots do that when hit by lasers, not footballers
davout: funnily enough i calculated recently that when I solo-mined back in 2010 I was unknowingly making more money than most pro soccer stars
davout: jurov: pilolz
mircea_popescu: jurov wait someone raped a soccer dood ?
jurov: certainly. but nobody is allowed to know
davout: mircea_popescu: yes the french govt by imposing this 75% income tax on high salaries
pankkake: is that why monaco is doing so well this year?
pankkake: I haven't followed the details
davout: pankkake: i don't really follow soccer
mircea_popescu: davout that's not rape, that's citizensheep
davout: mircea_popescu: explain the difference
pankkake: yup Monaco does not pay the 75% tax: http://www.lefigaro.fr/sport-business/2013/12/13/20006-20131213ARTFIG00394-l-as-monaco-n-echappera-pas-a-la-taxe-a-75.php
pankkake: uh
pankkake: wrong
pankkake: well, it does, the URL is wrong
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=461080.0
davout: no the URL says "n'échappera pas"
ozbot: [Cryptostocks]CFBTC - Crypto Fund BTCless seems CS/the issuer did a misstake
mircea_popescu: "It seems like neither Cryptostocks or the issuer behind this have the time to read throu the contracts before they publish it these days, "
pankkake: but the title say it escapes :)
davout: pankkake: oh wait
pankkake: confusing!
davout: pankkake: you're right
mircea_popescu: that's a new angle : if you read the stuff crypto-whatever wannabe exchange publishes, you're roughly in the same set with idiots and grannies that still read the spam emails they get, tune in for cnbc newscasts etc
pankkake: so monaco has no 75% tax. Monaco is now 2nd in the Ligue 1 http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/ligue-1-classement.html
davout: funny you mention that,
davout: i happen to have a nigerian uncle that's in urgent need of 5 BTC to unlock the last presidents inheritance
davout: I've always wanted to try to reverse-scam these guys, sadly gmail has a good spam filter
BingoBoingo: davout: It isn't gmail. I'm finding there are generally just less spam emails in general these days
deadweasel: i've marked every havelock email ever as spam, yet it still shows up.
mircea_popescu: impudent cocklets moved on to greener pastures.
davout: "oh sure, I'll send you these $3000 to pay attorney fees to unlock the prince's inheritance, if you could just western union me a couple hundred bucks so i can fix my bike to get to the bank"
pankkake: light greylisting removed most of my spam
pankkake: so only crappy botnets still spam :p
davout: BingoBoingo: yeah, I think so too
BingoBoingo: davout: I imagine the answer is not less botnets and spammers, but more lite/doge miners and captcha solving occupying their time now.
davout: that sounds like a sensible explanation
mircea_popescu: " Le ministre délégué au Budget"
mircea_popescu: check out the shit france has.
BingoBoingo: I mean spam doesn't even pretend to offer a return ever. Solving captchas though offers some satoshis every nao and then.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00087193 = 15.6075 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: BingoBoingo: that's very interesting view of *coin faucets
jurov: that they are useful to drain unqualified cheap workforce pool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 218753 @ 0.00013144 = 28.7529 BTC [-] {21}
davout: mircea_popescu: no no, that's actually ok, we have a "Ministre du redressement productif" can you fucking believe it ?
davout: incidentally it's the same guy that believes the EUR is too strong
BingoBoingo: jurov: Well I mean there is substantial overlap in that most spammers are kids and most faucet users are kids. Sure there are spammers occasionally who make something through spam, but generally they are people who can find new networks (MySpace, Facebook, Linkedin) to spam before their game gets stale and the money goes missing
pankkake: Ministère de la Réforme de l'État, de la Décentralisation et de la Fonction Publique
pankkake: decentralisation !
mircea_popescu: davout do you have une ministresse du denuement productif aussi ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30565 @ 0.00010595 = 3.2384 BTC [-] {20}
davout: mircea_popescu: i think you meant dénudement
jurov: Fleur Pellerin,
jurov: ministre déléguée auprès du ministre du redressement productif,
mircea_popescu: fuck that, nue but denudement
davout: denuement means poverty
mircea_popescu: wtf is with this language.
mircea_popescu: ;;google fille nue
gribble: Gta5 fille nue - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dixngfh3Fs>; Fille Nue - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63yLejbMxD0>; Fille nue qui se fait surprendre par son père devant sa webcam ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwH86AQpXNo>
mircea_popescu: yeah them bitches look poor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00087061 = 32.1255 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: can bitcoin drop like a rock so I can drop some fiat?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 120000 @ 0.00004717 = 5.6604 BTC [-] {58}
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/kiriakou-14-0202.pdf
benkay: death to the tyrant
benkay: cascadia now
pankkake: does the cascadian movement produce anything besides weird music?
benkay: there is no movement.
benkay: except maybe the one i left in the toilet this morning - now that was impressive.
mircea_popescu: lots of cooties infections ?
benkay: ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2563 @ 0.00010003 = 0.2564 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the cascadian movement produced weird music and a lot of new lice infections.
mircea_popescu: you know, from all the free sex going out in the free country.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17073 @ 0.00010002 = 1.7076 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: sex is probably too mainstream for them
mircea_popescu: there is that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2299 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2299 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ever since it became small in japan sex is pretty much doomed huh.
pankkake: http://coinmarketcap.com/ dogecoin now number 4
benkay: for clarity - there is no movement.
punkman: wink wink
mircea_popescu: after alt ?!
mircea_popescu: benkay you can not pull the wool over our eyes sir, we know all about it said he knowingly.
mircea_popescu: pankkake ahaha ripples #2 ? dude get out of here with this bs,
mircea_popescu: ripple total net worth is about -$400
pankkake: last trade * total units. like mpoe :)
benkay: that list is better regarded as "how much money this ccoin has sucked out of fiat"
mircea_popescu: mpoe actually stands for something.
mircea_popescu: benkay except not in a million years has ripple done anything of the sort lol
benkay: repression of the people, iirc.
benkay: 'my feeelingsssss'
mircea_popescu: Sexcoin$ 539,512
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
benkay: well of course it couldn't possibly account for slippage
mircea_popescu: LottoCoin$ 710,196
benkay: that'd entail knowing what slippage *is*
pankkake: ripple was hidden on coinmarketcap, showing it by default is probably going to be its demise
mircea_popescu: seriously ? that amply exposed scamcoin is worth dough ?
benkay: good luck selling any.
punkman: oh CMC now has two pages of coins
mircea_popescu: Bitgem$ 246,833
mircea_popescu: dude check it out lol. i wonder what all the people with jobs must be thinking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: when you could just make a gem and buy a house
Shakespeare: so if ATC is .00000529
Shakespeare: then we're almost at $1m
mircea_popescu: CraftCoin$ 56,614
Shakespeare: for all the coins ever
pankkake: ;;calc 16763*512*.00000529
gribble: 45.40225024
mircea_popescu: anyway, the btc is 8bn out of a 10bn market story depicted there is off.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.5711792 = 28.559 BTC [+] {16}
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is 99.98% of a whatever it is market.
TestingUnoDosTre: junkcoin $328,000
asciilifeform: unless i'm missing something, no cryptocoin actually 'sucks money out of fiat'
asciilifeform: unless, of course, it is generated via a 'proof of incinerated fiat bills' (serial #s?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he meant "sucks moneyness out of fiat competitors"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58499996 = 6.435 BTC [+]
punkman: if you have proof of incinerated bills you can get them replaced
mircea_popescu: fun fact : destroying fiat bills has no destructive effect on fiat.
mircea_popescu: it's merely a transfer towards the issuer.
asciilifeform: quite the opposite
mircea_popescu: well technically bills these days are more expensive to make than their face value, so it is a sort of pillage
TestingUnoDosTre: wait what?
Shakespeare: "Please provide a URL that shows the total number of coins in real time."
Shakespeare: thats what coinmarketcap wants
Shakespeare: as part of listing requirements
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 881 @ 0.00087011 = 0.7666 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and basically you could put whatever in there
asciilifeform: benjamin costs >100 usd to make?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most bills are 20s
asciilifeform: and they cost >20?
pankkake: they support openex?
Shakespeare: dunno
Shakespeare: i can try
Shakespeare: but need url
mircea_popescu: cause of all the security elements asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: the only way to keep people from counterfitting them
pankkake: I mean, I would suppose the biggest hurdle is having an exchange
mircea_popescu: is to make the production process cost more than the nominal value
mircea_popescu: and i do mean MAKE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58945588 = 10.0207 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: number of coins, I can write a page in ~10 mins
mircea_popescu: pankkake can you also write an irc bot so we can set the number of coins arbitrarily /
asciilifeform: last i checked, usd are built substantially below cost at proper national mints 'after hours' (e.g. NK)
TestingUnoDosTre: Im not entirely convinved
pankkake: I still haven't found why that irc bot lib does not reconnect
pankkake: well, the answer I got was "the maintainer is an arrogant fool"
mircea_popescu: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-100-bill-costs-60-more-to-produce-2013-10-08
mircea_popescu: nm, i eat cocks.
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1611293/plain/)
pankkake: !b 1
asciilifeform: i won't be surprised if paper money eventually gets active silicon in it
pankkake: how anonymous is cash?
pankkake: if you get cash out of an ATM, can it be tracked further?
Shakespeare: that's how USD gets value, cost to print it
asciilifeform: pankkake: if someone cares to.
Shakespeare: also USD is not inflationary
punkman: maybe the next gen of fake bill scanners will OCR the serial numbers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]
Shakespeare: there is a fnite amount
Shakespeare: just dunno what yet
Shakespeare: still mining it
benkay: buuuuwaaaaaaat
asciilifeform: Shakespeare: Hilbert's Hotel.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456252.msg5043968#msg5043968
mircea_popescu: check out that title.
mircea_popescu: "World's Leader in Financial Cryptocurrency Contracts IPOs"
TestingUnoDosTre: TFA said 12 cents to produce a $100 USD bill
asciilifeform: punkman: national mints are doomed to reinvent the blockchain. that is, if anti-counterfeiting were an actual thing, instead of a psychological 'security theatre.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am blown away that most us bills arent counterfeit atm.
Shakespeare: Announcing New Exotic Ways to Be Scammed
mircea_popescu: srsly, it costs 12 cents to make them and the world isn't awash in fakes ? just... how.
Shakespeare: Hilbert's hotel makes no sense to me
Shakespeare: all the rooms are full, end of story
asciilifeform: electric theft involves considerably less physical labour.
asciilifeform: (e.g. 'carding')
asciilifeform: when you counterfeit paper, some poor schmuck is stuck with the job of 'passing' it
punkman: for or all we know, we are awash in fakes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but carding is hip.
benkay: another conspiracy theory to hasten the demise of the tyrant
mircea_popescu: generally speaking you're best served by going the other way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0008701 = 7.2218 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: the rarity of phony bills is purely an ROI issue.
benkay: "90% of your 20s are made in NK"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for that matter, the carded amount has to be gotten out of the bank
TestingUnoDosTre: what is this carding you speak of?
mircea_popescu: there's really no difference
asciilifeform: 'carders' traditionally sell the stolen credentials for (pennies on the dollar) 'clean' money
Shakespeare: pankkake if you write that code to spit out total current ATC, i can add it to the home page... assuming it's as simple as that
asciilifeform: to those who can process them industrially.
asciilifeform: using tame banks.
mircea_popescu: so then there's exactly no difference.
pankkake: it's not that simple, you need a running node and update script
mircea_popescu: those who make bills also sell them for pennies on the dollar to those who have the means to pass them
mircea_popescu: pankkake Shakespeare just write an interpolation script by time
pankkake: so I can host it on my server, but you can't really make calls from server to server that easily
asciilifeform: correct. except that bills have to move physically. this is expensive.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares, nobody checks, the bitcoin algo is quite efficient at stabilizing issuance in spite of hash volatility
mircea_popescu: adjust it once a month or w/e
pankkake: actually… does your hosting allow php or something?
Shakespeare: yes
Shakespeare: i have it on namecheap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not THAT expensive or else amazon'd be out of business.
asciilifeform: 'carding' as we know it is actually a creature of u.s. and british banks. which profit from it.
pankkake: ok, cool, writing now
mircea_popescu: how do banks profit from carding ?
asciilifeform: 'chargebacks', issued when fraud is discovered, are plucked out of merchants.
asciilifeform: they eat the loss, plus a penalty fee.
mircea_popescu: but that'd be visa and mastercard
mircea_popescu: wich aren't banks
asciilifeform: ah, yes.
asciilifeform: they're 'banks' in the medieval sense, one could say. but, sure.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's more complicated than that. if you think paypal is paying anyone anything when it gets chargebacked...
asciilifeform: the merchant loses whatever $ was stolen, plus some.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00014476 = 0.2349 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: small time merchants with a shop or w/e are being reamed, but that doesn't really show in the bottom line
mircea_popescu: large merchants are immune to chargebacks.
mircea_popescu: (actually some strategic large merchants get paid to use cards on a regular basis
mircea_popescu: it used to be 8% in romania for a while, until the card people finally gave up_
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3748 @ 0.00014498 = 0.5434 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: the chargeback fines are paid to whoever is processing the merchant's transactions
asciilifeform: yeah, it would be quite surprising if 'amazon' were reamed to the same depth as a corner shop.
punkman: not Visa/Mastercard
mircea_popescu: Visa processes, what are you talking about ?
punkman: Visa fines the processors too, but on a different scale
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.16550606 BTC to 321`963 shares, 362 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)
punkman: mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquiring_bank
asciilifeform: instead, we see expensive (active silicon) but deliberately-porous crap, e.g. british 'chip&pin.'
decimation: I strongly suspect that Costco is paid by American Express to accept Amex cards only
asciilifeform: incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response (as appears to be the plan) - every ATM becomes a btc-ATM.
asciilifeform: (i could draw a picture of why, but i'll leave it as an exercise for the alert reader.)
decimation: Ascii does an RFID card exist which implements RSA?
asciilifeform: decimation: probably. but not economically.
asciilifeform: one important fact is that u.s. card issuers love sending 'spam cards' via mail
decimation: It seems obvious that some sort of portable public key device is the solution for secure finance
asciilifeform: these folks are not interested in securing anything aside from themselves.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12592 @ 0.00087086 = 10.9659 BTC [+]
decimation: No, it's depressing. Who is the greater criminal? The carder or the banks who enable him?
asciilifeform: i (and millions of others) get spam cards in the mail. anyone who can discover some very accessible biographical data can activate said card, should he break the mailbox, and borrow $.
asciilifeform: then 'prove you're not a camel.'
pankkake: banks sue people who explain how easy carding is
asciilifeform: so rsa card would have to somehow cost less than the customary plastic turd, for them to even consider it.
asciilifeform: (how?)
pankkake: "Serge Humpich is a person who discovered a serious flaw in the Carte Bleue system used in France for credit cards. He was convicted in 2000 to a ten months suspended sentence. He was 36 at the time, and lost his job as a result of the case."
asciilifeform: these are a dime a dozen.
asciilifeform: like the british folks who were jailed for refusing to pay fraudulent charges on their accounts.
herbijudlestoids: hullo kids
asciilifeform: (at one time, and perhaps still, the courts there presumed guilt on the part of the complaining card holder)
mircea_popescu: punkman " Visa and MasterCard levy fines against acquiring banks that retain merchants with high chargeback frequency. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 7.41147624 BTC to 19`467 shares, 38072 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: pankkake: take-home lesson - found a hole? sell it to spammers and stfu. play your part in the food chain.
mircea_popescu: seems that your link supports the notion it is indeed visa fining.
punkman: when the merchant pays $30 to the processing bank, they don't turn around and give it to visa
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally, if the avaricious idiots move everybody to RFID cards sans crypto challenge/response << even if it has a challenge system, if it's made by the bank ppl... heh. glwt.
mircea_popescu: o look, it's a herbijudlestoids
asciilifeform: btc <-> the code. code -> rfid emitter.
decimation: The greater criminal is the fiat central planners who enable the whole system
mircea_popescu: decimation so basically all crime stems from the existence of the state.
herbijudlestoids: i been sick as a fucken dog
herbijudlestoids: no work done this week :(
herbijudlestoids: on the plus side, i own ~200 ATC
mircea_popescu: we thought you were butthurt as a fucken interneteer
herbijudlestoids: im riech biech
asciilifeform: prediction: at some point ATMs will require the user to stuff his hand in a 'monkey trap.' if the transaction is deemed 'suspicious', the clamps close.
decimation: well, if you believe mancur olson the state are the stationary bandits who have grown fat and lazy
mircea_popescu: http://www.parodie.com/english/smartcard.htm < why is this named parodie.com
asciilifeform: 'suspicious,' naturally, will mean that the heuristic suspects the luser of operating a (btc market, etc) card spoofer.
decimation: ascii, it would seem foolish to have an RFID with no challenge; as you point out it would make carding even simpler
asciilifeform: and yet it is SOP now.
asciilifeform: most of the new cards have it.
asciilifeform: electromagnetic pickpockets are already busy.
decimation: There is talk amoung the elites in the us that there will be a push toward 'chip&pin'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and consequently making an android masturbator will be illegal because it could be used to plug the claw ?
asciilifeform: something like that.
asciilifeform: 'circumvention device !1!!'
mircea_popescu: yeah, i see great future for the fiat system.
decimation: As Mr. Yarvin points out, post-fiat dollars will still have some value as "federal brownie points"
mircea_popescu: confederate money still have some value.
decimation: it will be a long time before states give up on the fiat fantasy - even while everyone is banking ducats
herbijudlestoids: just going through the log
herbijudlestoids: isnt the number of altcoins simply block height * 512?
mircea_popescu: yes it is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00086959 = 23.4789 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: for now. once we get that cointerra hardware on the network the halving will happen soon.
asciilifeform: http://books.google.com/books?id=wdN0AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT26&dq=kerensky
herbijudlestoids: so all we need for the realtime thingy is someone running altcoind and a webserver essentially?
mircea_popescu: decimation it's not even a fantasy. has plenty of actual usecases.
mircea_popescu: "good for one fuck" nudie party tokens.
herbijudlestoids: here is some MPOE data, almost 1000 ticks in my sample finally.... http://imgur.com/46vH0ZV,6sbysnV,6nw9ZRM,sU2iaNQ price, vols, distribution of 20TickRet, DPO
mircea_popescu: "good for one spin" casino chips
mircea_popescu: etc
kakobrekla: i think you can use blockr api for altcoin
decimation: sure; the fantasy is that fiat will hold value at its quantity approaches infinity
mircea_popescu: a, that.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: lets say i place a huge at market MPOE buy order into the book and it clears the book for like twenty levels. what price does assbot report the tick completing at?
mircea_popescu: vwap
herbijudlestoids: so my tick chart looks a little funny cos of that i guess
decimation: I have a small collection of Weimar Marks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00569804 = 0.5698 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: funny how ?
herbijudlestoids: its got that huge gap
herbijudlestoids: also i was looking at (what i assume is the daily) chart of MPOE on mpex.co
herbijudlestoids: definitely some of those bars look like someone clearing the book and then retail nublets executing much smaller orders at market after the book is cleared
decimation: ascii the disadvantages gold has are advantages for bitcoin
asciilifeform: "You should hold on to some cash, for purely didactic purposes. I remember my great-grandmother, who passed away when I was seven, and I remember playing with her little hoard of kerenki - ruble notes in ridiculously high yet worthless denominations that had been issued by the Russian Provisional Government, under the leadership of Prime Minister Alexander Kerensky... ... I was quite taken with the ten-thousand
asciilifeform: -ruble note, which seemed like a lot of money to me at the time, and was very surprised to hear that it was completely worthless and that I could take one and use it as a bookmark (which I did). It was not until the 1990s that Russia again issued a note in that denomination, which likewise became worthless soon after it was printed."
decimation: indeed, I have a 100,000 mark note
decimation: it's a useful conversation stopper for anyone who thinks fiat is a great long-term savings vehicle
BingoBoingo: I wonder what part Hearn might have had in transaction malleability suddely becoming a problem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00086796 = 28.9031 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yeah that's prolly because your dataset only has one drop
asciilifeform: "... And so, you too should hold on to a few dollar, or euro, or ruble or yuan notes, in the highest denominations available at the time they all become worthless, as a keepsake. Then you will be able to show them to your great-grandchildren and say, 'Can you imagine, this ugly piece of paper was once a prized possession!' And your great-grandchildren will no doubt think that you are a little bit senile, but th
asciilifeform: en they will probably think that anyway, because by then you probably will be. But it certainly won't be helpful to hold on to multiple shoeboxes full of old currency, because then your great-grandchildren will think that you are in fact insane, because no sane person would be hoarding such trash. It is important that they don't think that, because the lesson is an important one: chances are that during their l
asciilifeform: ifetimes some tin-pot pseudo-nationalist leader will print up ugly slips of paper with pictures of dead people, Masonic symbols and big numbers, and attempt to charge people for using them as a medium of exchange in all transactions, and your great-grandchildren need to know, from an early age, that it is a scam. It is an official scvam, backed up by the threat of violence, but it is still a scam."
decimation: it's the biggest scam going
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo inasmuch as it's mostly a reddit driven "omg we're retarded" panic, i doubt anyhing at all.
decimation: One must wonder, if each country in the world is truly soveirgn, why hasn't it occured to any of them to reinstate the gold standard?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: not sure if the netsplit caused my bot to miss any ticks, but otherwise cant think of any reason why it would only have one
asciilifeform: i (and countless other people) got a boyhood education in fiat. when my folks were packing for the u.s., i traded in a shoebox full of rubles for $1.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, after the great fork of 11 months ago a blaming Hearn because redditards suck at picking primary key values for databases seems reasonable. (I mean both "crises" are essentially database problems)
asciilifeform: for the $1, bought a keychain in a 'dollar store' when we landed. still got it.
mircea_popescu: decimation but it has. romania for instance is on the gold standard.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well sure, but the differences are more marked than the similarities.
decimation: I thought they were already on the euro - good for them if they have avoided it so far
mircea_popescu: nah, the local cb guy nixed the euro long ago, much to everyone's wtfitude. turns out he was right.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, that depends. 11 months ago there was a ridiculously central database derpocolypse. Nao there is a more subtle derpocolypse that doesn't seem as critical, but happens to hammer the fiat/BTC interface players hard while actual BTC cared about working too much to make those mistakes.
mircea_popescu: romania has since been stockpiling gold, it holds more per capita than most countries, and it enjoys the advantages
mircea_popescu: (for instance, the leu is worth in dollars/euros/whatever else exactly as much as romania says it is worth)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe we're not talking about the same thing. what exactly is "hammering the fiat/btc" interface ?
decimation: well that makes their state funded gold mine even more retarded
asciilifeform: "To this day pots of late-Roman gold are periodically dug up in England during excavations of Roman villas; the residents of these villas were unable to derive any benefit from their hoards as their empire collapsed and the Dark Age closed in around them." (further from herr Orlov)
mircea_popescu: decimation except it wouldn't be state funded.
mircea_popescu: it'd be "private", as in romanian govt gives to some random third party the place and gets in exchange some nothing at all.
decimation: ok; that's even worse
mircea_popescu: well yes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Rendering the Gox and Stamp, two cans and a string exchanges with these corrected transactions (corrected because leading zeros in signatures suck).
decimation: why not declare the whole thing part of the romanian central bank to be mined an paid when it advantages Romania?
mircea_popescu: it's one of those "hey, let you give us free money" deals a la coinbase.
mircea_popescu: decimation i was under the impression i had said exactly that :D
decimation: Indeed.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know that a) gox is lieing about it being a problem and b) all the other scammers happy to follow suit
mircea_popescu: because hey, it's a golden opportunity.
benkay: plus the moles might get to slip some bullshit into the newer client protocol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. And should they weather this storm to scam again, the retardedness of their excuse makes their herp all the more evident.
mircea_popescu: plus that.
asciilifeform: i still predict that gox et al will eventually 'repay' the chumps in a scamcoin minted for the purpose.
decimation: Is there a coherent analysis of this supposed transaction problem somewhere?
mircea_popescu: decimation nope.
mircea_popescu: but you should write it, save me the trouble.
decimation: You also said in the past that the 'dev team' ought to write a complete api/interface spec
BingoBoingo: decimation: I've been drafting one this week. Dunno if I will get techincal enough for you decimation
BingoBoingo: decimation: No mircea_popescu Wants a spec.
mircea_popescu: decimation i merely observed that whoever is doing that is the dev team
mircea_popescu: and anyone else claiming to be the dev team is roughly in the position of various people on the forum claiming to be financiers.
decimation: well, something is better than nothing. It sucks to wade through crap cpp code to find out how something works
BingoBoingo: AH, sorry eye lag, vodka
BingoBoingo: decimation: The thing is this problem nao isn't in the BTC code at all.
BingoBoingo: At least not as I understand problem and BTC code
BingoBoingo: As I understand the narrative, this is a n00bier database problem than 11 months ago.
benkay: decimation: are you interested in working on a BNF rendering of the bitcoin network protocol?
BingoBoingo: The problem is Derp php coders making website.
benkay: hey BingoBoingo you stop talking shit on PHP okay?
benkay: it stands for Professional Hardcore Programmers for a reason, mang.
BingoBoingo: benkay: PHP is great for what it does well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 16 @ 0.07793684 = 1.247 BTC [+] {6}
decimation: I don't have expertise in that; I'm better at dsp code
benkay: nor do i, but it's clearly the right thing to do and an extremely useful tool to know (BNF, that is)
benkay: besides
pankkake: Pee Hash Pee
mircea_popescu: derp.
decimation: after reading enough of the loper blog I'm beginning to fantasize about bitcoin written in forth
mircea_popescu: start small, do it in 3rd first.
benkay: herp.
decimation: heh
benkay: lisp zeroth
benkay: decimation if you like forth you'll love green arrays
benkay: http://www.greenarraychips.com/
decimation: I played around with the javascript forth interpreter here: http://www.forthfreak.net/jsforth.html
decimation: I fondly recall my hp-48 RPN programming in my youth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7949 @ 0.00086721 = 6.8935 BTC [-]
benkay: baw haw haw javascript anything i cry
decimation: yeah the concept of forth on javascript is hilarious, but it's a fun toy
decimation: I saw that greenarrays stuff
BingoBoingo: An interesting contest might be to see who can develop a cryptocurrency incorporating features agreed to be essential to bitcoin in the least amount of code (self contained so any calls that would be to external libraries have to be brought in)
decimation: ideally - reduce it down to a credit card form factor
mircea_popescu: before yo ucan do that yotu need a protocol.
decimation: true. so many interesting advancements must wait for a well-documented spec
mircea_popescu: decimation as a point of strategy, the would-be dev team power ranges may be foolish, but they're useful fools.
BingoBoingo: Making a minimal functional client for the purposes of documenting a spec might make a rather ultimate battlegound in the C vs. LISP wars
mircea_popescu: a shoddy bitcoin #1 is actually quite useful, you can have bitcoin #2 all prepared in the background.
pankkake: I'll just do "import bitcoin" in Python, a la https://xkcd.com/353/
Azelphur: Python programmer as day job, can confirm.
benkay: if i might offer a different perspective, there are several disparate concerns that could be tackled independently and independent of language wars.
mircea_popescu: benkay by thinking people.
benkay: there's the network client, the thing responsible for connecting to the bitcoin/litecoin/altcoin network downloading blocks and broadcasting txns
benkay: and then there's blockchain validation
decimation: these can and ought to be split into modules
pankkake: http://protocoin.readthedocs.org/
benkay: indeed
benkay: (outta my face - where's the source?!?!)
benkay: in any event
mircea_popescu: http://xkcd.com/276/
herbijudlestoids: @276
benkay: i believe (and i'm open to suggestions and corrections from those wiser and more experienced than myself) that the appropriate implementation path for both the blockchain validatoin and the network client is a state machine describing the valid states of the validator and network client respectively, the messages they can process and what states those messages kick each machine into
benkay: what's more, a state machine approach satisfies the "spec" that mircea_popescu has been going on for lo these many forevers
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
benkay: it's a formal definition of bitcoin, as opposed to the ad-hoc cpp hairball-as-canonical-thinger
benkay: or it would be if anyone would write it
BingoBoingo: Archival fail, or why paper doesn't make the best "paper" wallets http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2014/2/12/mold-destroys-600000-library-books/
mike_c: it's not clicking why a state machine would make it great.
decimation: yeah that sounds legit. I wish the same brain who invented bitcoin were around to help perfect it.
mike_c: what are a couple states the machine would pass through? I don't see it.
mike_c: take the blockchain validator for instance.
benkay: i'd rather take the network client actually
benkay: state: init
benkay: transition to state: exchange version messages
mircea_popescu: decimation ever heard of decentralisation ? :D
benkay: transition to state: getblocks | state: getaddrs
mike_c: yeah, so, i believe all the hairiness would be in implementing what goes on in those states anyway. i'm not sure structuring the high level stuff around states would neccesarily make it much cleaner.
BingoBoingo: Someone found a pricing error: Basketball SE Missouri State 70 Tenn Martin 79Tenn Martin ML 2 hours ago 7.060 / +606 ฿ 0.005 ฿ 0.0303 paid
mircea_popescu: mike_c what'd be the alternative ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00012542 = 1.1288 BTC [-] {8}
mike_c: it being a state machine is an implementation detail. a definition and spec would make the world better.
mircea_popescu: the wet being water isn't an implementation detail, is it ?
mircea_popescu: it's a state machine whether we know/admit/notice this or not.
benkay: ^^
mike_c: any program can be thought of that way.
benkay: and maybe most should?
mike_c: it's the definiton & spec of what goes on in those states that is more needed.
benkay: the english definition's been written by those who are capable of writing english definitions and not state machines, and its time for someone to write the state machine
benkay: 'cause WHOOO BOY have you read the textual spec?
mike_c: so a UML diagram helps? I don't think it does.
benkay: mike_c: you can compile a formally defined state machine into a parser in the language of your choice. it's not an academic exercise.
92AAAD6TI: are you saying that a graph is defined by how its nodes are labeled and not their relationships?
mike_c: yes, rational rose will convert UML to code. shitty code that is far from done.
benkay: oh god ibm
mike_c: whoa, we chased everyone away
benkay: try Ragel.
benkay: or something industry hardened like BNF
herbijudlestoids: nah im still here
mike_c: But what you end with is the same thing we have "the code is the spec".
herbijudlestoids: sorry, was raging to my team about the shittiest con call i was just on
benkay: except a CPP hairball is not a formal definition, and BNF is, well, a formal definition.
mike_c: would you want to try and understand a complex system by reading BNF?
BingoBoingo: Hell, even a hairball of K&R C could almost pass muster as a spec
herbijudlestoids: gribble is dead?
BingoBoingo: Oh, DDoS time I see
decimation: it seems freenode is messed up
B007_: mircea_popescu: I still want to be un-poor
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53600002 = 1.072 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: B007: We all want to be unpoor
B007_: I know
BingoBoingo: B007: Unpoor is predicated on willingness to learn though
herbijudlestoids: https://medium.com/matter/76d9913c6011
mike_c: benkay: did you survive ddos? i wasn't asking rhetorically.
benkay: mike_c: it's the difference between algebra and java.
benkay: i went to the bathroom
herbijudlestoids: "What tear gas taught me about twitter and the NSA"
herbijudlestoids: good articlde.
benkay: ping mike_c
mike_c: ah :) i guess i'm saying i wouldn't want algebra or java to be the spec.
BingoBoingo: I can't stand medium.com
BingoBoingo: Too much javascript.
benkay: algebra is entirely acceptable for the spec of both network protocol and blockchain parsing.
benkay: arguably, if you can't figure it out you shouldn't be fucking with it, and if you can't spend the time to learn the notation ditto.
benkay: bitcoin is most emphatically not for dilletantes.
Mats_cd03: i have a great idea: what if someone offered a service for n number of nodes spawned through e.g. digitalocean
Mats_cd03: crowdfunded by a btc addr
benkay: you lost me at crowdfunded baby
BingoBoingo: benkay: Some parts of bitcoin are friendlier to dilettantes than others.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i understand, and apologise, but still, would value thoughts and opinions on what i think is a good article. if you like i can pastebin it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00086717 = 25.3647 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: everytime you hit $n dollars another one gets spun up for y days
benkay: BingoBoingo: yeah, like the part where you buy 'em.
benkay: not even the part where you guarantee their security yourself as the buying party.
B007_: digitalocean will lock your accout automatically if they recieve abuse complaints about you
mike_c: yeah.. not about understanding the notation. i can read assembly too, but i'd rather read C. but perhaps for something like the network protocol you're right.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I suffered through reading it. It isn't bad. I've found tear gas relatively not that bad.
benkay: lissen mike_c i gotta dip a few blocks over to a nerd thing i'll be back online in like 20 or 30 minutes
Mats_cd03: is that something you think people would be interested in
mike_c: k, later
decimation: Mats; I doubt anyone here wants to reinvent S3
BingoBoingo: benkay: I'd venture even securing coins is something a casual user could do.
BingoBoingo: So long as the coins are one's personal coins
herbijudlestoids: decimation: you mean like openstack swift has done? ;) but i dont think thats what he was referring to
herbijudlestoids: i think hes just saying bitcoind VM instances, spawned in IaaS, funded by BT
herbijudlestoids: BTC*
decimation: ok, how would that help anyone?
herbijudlestoids: decimation: someone was complaining earlier that the number of nodes in the bitcoin network running the actual "reference implementation" that avoids this transaction malleability issue has dropped from ~10,000s in 2011 to ~1000 today
herbijudlestoids: or something like that
mike_c: A formal definition for protocol is necessary, but also insufficient. So now you know "how". But if you don't know "why", you are still going to end up fucked. The why is more important.
herbijudlestoids: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2014#498502☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
decimation: mike, I think the "why" can only be conveyed in plain English, like an RFC
herbijudlestoids: ~60k to ~1k
mike_c: yeah, me too.
mike_c: let's get some PEP's in here.
herbijudlestoids: decimation: so it doesnt help in any way except in regards to that complaint
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013817 = 0.4145 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu2: da fuck i just been targetted
herbijudlestoids: nah ddos
Mats_cd03: I think it'd be easy, I might even start writing the code now just to see it happen
B007_: mircea_popescu2: targetted?
mircea_popescu2: i ended up having to connect by ip because chat.freenode.net for some reason was resolving to a suspicious ip
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/qLVTsVU
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
B007_: oh freenode
nubbins`: behold the bounty of nubbins`
Mats_cd03: Nice
B007_: is mircea_popescu2 even the real one
B007_: i mean it has a 2
B007_: suspicious
nubbins`: who cares
B007_: idk
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: check hostmask
B007_: nah
nubbins`: got two round loaves in the oven now
B007_: I want som
B007_: I'm hungry as fuck
nubbins`: sourdough w/ flax
nubbins`: lots of omega 3, good for ya
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu2: Well, if they serve you a suspicious IP at least you can know it isn't the meta-nsa
MisterE: BingoBoingo: the problem is Gox's own fuckedup internal wallet system that allowed double spending.
MisterE: the BTC malleability bug has been known for better part of a year
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Right, but that is like a super n00by database problem
mike_c: if only they had a PEP to refer to when working on their custom shit.
MisterE: Typical Japanese / Asian to blame anything other than themselves to save face
MisterE: sorry if thats sterotyping lived here 8-years, its true
MisterE: BingoBoingo: I reckon it was a problem with scaling
pankkake: are those custom wallets really necessary?
mike_c: custom shit is always necessary when you scale big.
MisterE: FB almost went dark because they couldn't scale their php to run in huge distributed environments well
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Seems if they are are honest more of a problem of picking the wrong values to use as database primary keys.
MisterE: a couple breakthroughs such as hiphop and the hip hop vm jit compiler saved their ass by like weeks
pankkake: well facebook is a pile of bad decisions
MisterE: I suspect Cox ran into a similar wall but without FBs resources
MisterE: lol pankkake maybe a bad example
MisterE: especially in this channle
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu nope. me, i use lex and yacc, and even those only when it cannot be helped.
MisterE: maybe 1/10 have FB here?
pankkake: anyway, you could also run multiple bitcoinds
MisterE: ^
MisterE: eventually this is the future
MisterE: transactions must move out of the blockchain it cant grow forever
BingoBoingo: The Gox, if they are reliable narrators, problem is they rely on txid as a primary key in their databases. txid makes a poor primary key
MisterE: so exchanges have their own internal chains
MisterE: hmm
benkay: back
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Exchanges don't have their own internal chains. They just handle the actual chain poorly
MisterE: they will
MisterE: they must there can't be 1 chain forever
pankkake: you don't need a blockchain internally if you have trust
MisterE: already coinbase does internal wallets stuff
mike_c: benkay: i decided we need PEPs first, not BNF.
pankkake: by multiple bitcoinds I just meant multiple bitcoinds. like multiple frontend servers
MisterE: if you transfer within CB it doesn;t show in the blockchain
MisterE: not sure exactly what they are doing
MisterE: they sure do fill up my timeline with tweets a lot though
mircea_popescu2: that was trippy
MisterE: the best investment in BTC is infrastructure provider, who got rich on ever gold rush? not the miners, the people who sold them gear. BTC network infrastructure for transactions is the future of financial transactions even if BTC is not the coin / currency in use
mircea_popescu: MisterE who are you and what makes you think you have something to say ?
MisterE: :P
MisterE: nobody / arrogance
mircea_popescu: mkay.
mike_c: http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/
MisterE: anybody who says they know shit about BTC should be ignored
ozbot: Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: oh you decided on PEPs did you?
benkay: ^^ mike_c
mike_c: 2014 version: because you can withdraw your bitcoin
mike_c: benkay: yes. need the why more than the how.
benkay: mike_c: is that a reference to the Python Enhancement Proposal?
mike_c: yes
asciilifeform: ok what's this talk of state machines ?
benkay: no man bitcoin is in feature freeze
mike_c: feature freeze is fine, write PEPs for the features already existing :)
benkay: asciilifeform!
asciilifeform: benkay: here i am
benkay: for sensible, constrained declarations of a) network client behaviors and b) blockchain parsing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00087086 = 29.9576 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: sort of how i once pontificated re: fpga implementation of bitcoind (e.g. verilog) would be a good 'cruft shedder' exercise.
BingoBoingo: Oh, davout's gone.
mircea_popescu: mike_c lol
B007: I'm soooo hungry
MisterE: pizza!
mircea_popescu: for the lolz of it : mpex actually discontinued withdrawals first
asciilifeform: 'rotary debugger.'
mircea_popescu: it's just in mpex' case it's been a private joke rather than the sad reality
mike_c: my counterargument was that a formal definition (be it BNF or fpga) of those is less useful than an english spec explaining rationale.
B007: mircea_popescu: how many btc do you have
B007: don't lie
mircea_popescu: B007 some.
MisterE: thats not polite
MisterE: how rich / poor are you?
B007: poor
B007: and you?
Mats_cd03: jurov: beep
mircea_popescu: there's some post where the girl's counting it much to pietilla's delight.
MisterE: in debt :/
B007: yeah
B007: school?
MisterE: naah worse, health
mike_c: fpga that did blockchain parsing would completely ignore tx malleabiality (as it should). PEP would tell you WHY you are ignoring it, so when you are writing custom shit you don't mess it up.
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Who isn't being polite nao
asciilifeform: mike_c: i'd love to read 'Bitcoin, the book.' with rationales. but it would be of little worth without a strictly-minimal, brain-loadable reference implementation.
asciilifeform: with no sharp edges.
mircea_popescu: ^
MisterE: :p nevermind me, I'm a n00b here and dunno who is friends
mircea_popescu: we can have that novel written sometime in 2050
mike_c: but but, perfect implementation does not help you when you are adding things.
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/TomHoepfner/status/431739694250856448 << max keiser offloading the support task for his shitcoin upon freenode staff :D
ozbot: Twitter / TomHoepfner: @freenodestaff ok, thx - was ...
mike_c: both necessary, but perfect implementation is insufficient.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c there's no particular requirement that people who don't already know the rationales sould be involved in writing any code.
mike_c: and less important while we are applying our limited resources.
B007: http://ponzi.io/
B007: lol
mike_c: hmm. interesting point. it just makes for a bumpier ride.
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Well, in Bitcoin polite is neither asking now answering exaclty how much BTC one holds. If you must ask, Roughly or Publically how much BTC do you hold is on the line of acceptable. As far as answering though even saying "I hold between zero and inside your mom right now BTC" is still polite.
MisterE: :P it is still irc afterall
MisterE: too bad I missed out on the ponzi
B007: I hope no btc is in ur mom
BingoBoingo: MisterE Bitcoin introduces interesting features though, like information is only privledged one way.
MisterE: if it goes back to $1k I'll go in there and retrieve it :d
mike_c: the problem is bitcoin has no competition. so we get away with doing a crappy job.
MisterE: hmm good point
B007: anon wants money 176im9MN1AbWFJZ9saFnCgXXGZB4iBABhH
MisterE: I dunno why countries that want to break the dollar hegemony already like S. American's who have been fucked by the US / CIA for decades don't start their own cryptocurrency
BingoBoingo: B007: But a laundry maker in your pooper, write Bingo on your left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek. I'll pay 0.01 BTC for the picture.
MisterE: they want their own NSA proof internets, impossible I know, but...
asciilifeform: MisterE: they have runaway mints of their own. national scamcoins, on the other hand, are inevitable.
MisterE: yea I recon so
B007: wtf is a laundry maker
BingoBoingo: B007: A sharpie in American terms.
MisterE: marker*
B007: oh a marker
B007: lol
MisterE: :p
BingoBoingo: B007: if anon wants BTC they have to play their pooper
B007: nah
BingoBoingo: B007: You might be agreeable to that price next year, but the offer won't be there.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: wait. i disagree. how are you supposed to learn the rationale? this is why something BingoBoingo collecting satoshi's mails are useful.
B007: or it will be morthles
mike_c: *something like
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087023 = 11.4 BTC [-]
B007: *worthless
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes, you ask, you read, you whatever.
mircea_popescu: basically a pull rather than a push for now because we aren't yet as formalised
BingoBoingo: B007: No, next year it might be worth too much to spend on your dignity. Buttcoins are purely deflationary.
B007: mircea_popescu: where is my money
mircea_popescu: how was one supposed to think logically before aristotle got around to writing logics ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.0008351 = 0.1503 BTC [+]
mike_c: yes, which is why i think the logic of bitcoin being organized is more important than the perfect implementation.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, they debated Parimenides versus Heraclitus and just raped each other.
mike_c: ok, i've beaten this horse.
B007: its dead
asciilifeform: the question is not of a 'perfect' implementation,
mircea_popescu: but of a definite one.
mircea_popescu: something natural language will never be.
asciilifeform: but of one that can actually be understood, by a reasonably-intelligent person, with reasonable effort.
asciilifeform: the way one understands a kalashnikov.
asciilifeform: (what values of 'reasonable', depends on the intrinsic complexity of the problem.)
MisterE: mike_c: at this point in time I agree
asciilifeform: 'natural language' only has a place here as a teaching aid.
MisterE: eventualy you have to ship
asciilifeform: and never as a substitute for mechanics.
mike_c: yes. and perhaps satoshi could write that. barring that, i think the order should be: we agree on the rationale, then are capable of writing the kalishnikov version.
mircea_popescu: no, because this is not art an we aren't making a vase.
mircea_popescu: this is science, we're describing an actual real process.
asciilifeform: the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the computation itself.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of agreeing how we'd like the vase to look, but a matter of representing how gravity actually and in fact does work
mike_c: you don't build the perfect factory by starting to build the machines. you figure out the overall process first, the steps. then you build the robots.
mircea_popescu: why are you so focused on the building and implementation notional universe ?
mike_c: the fricking white paper came before the code
mircea_popescu: seems odd, a state machine is an abstraction.
asciilifeform: we've got the robot. with a warehouse's worth of extraneous junk welded to it.
asciilifeform: and parts held together with tape.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i suspect the code only came because the response to the paper was a particular brand of retarded.
mike_c: asciilifeform: ok.. so you are saying reverse engineer instead of start from the top.
BingoBoingo: I can't believe B007 quit before I had the chance to drop links
asciilifeform: mike_c: you could certainly phrase it that way.
mircea_popescu: why does it have to be an either anyway ?
mircea_popescu: you know the bridges joke ?
mike_c: it does not and should not.
mike_c: only the bridge builder one
mircea_popescu: yea that.
mircea_popescu: if they meet, you got your bridge
mircea_popescu: if they don't, i guess you get two
mike_c: hmm. we're talking about different jokes. i'm talking about bob the bridge builder
asciilifeform: birthing a parsimonious implementation of something (i.e. one that can actually be understood) is not necessarily the same as the student pissing contest of 'write the shortest hello world for ms-dos in asm'
mircea_popescu: mike_c buncha teams are presenting offers to build a brige. they all start from both sides. one team has laser sensors and whatever, the 2nd satellite and whatnot
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am pretty sure the solution to that problem is skipping ms-dos or any other os nd just writing asm hello world
mircea_popescu: the third is more flegmatic. either one or two bridges.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that'd hardly win you the slimmest turd contest.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Slimmest turd is a different contest. That is easily solved through copious amunts of magnesium citrate and not allowing turds to leave solution in water.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i don't get the joke, but i get your point.
mircea_popescu: well it's supposed to be funny by contrast. the one team that didn't need tech
mircea_popescu: http://www.examiner.com/article/it-was-the-best-of-times-it-was-the-blurst-of-times-throwing-out-your-first-chapter
ozbot: It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times: throwing out your first chapter - National Wri
mircea_popescu: for epic lols : writing novels is listed under GARDENING,
mircea_popescu: sequels are spelled seqeuls,
mircea_popescu: and the guy has absolutely no idea who hemingway was.
herbijudlestoids: i read something about hemmingway today
herbijudlestoids: ...
herbijudlestoids: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/how-the-cia-turned-american-literature-into-a-content-farm
ozbot: The CIA Helped Build the Content Farm That Churns Out American Literature | Motherboard
BingoBoingo: I heard Hemmingway liked Abercrombie and Fitch
herbijudlestoids: not specifically him but yea
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids the point in quesiton is "throw away the first chapter of your novel"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: in reference to the current bitcoin "reference implementation"?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also throw away the last 2/3rds
mircea_popescu: and the middle.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids nah, idle.
herbijudlestoids: kk
mike_c: no doubt. we need bitcoin 2.0. same math, new code.
pankkake: what about the Go implementation?
mike_c: who has nothing to do the rest of the year?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: How good are you at K&R C?
mircea_popescu: mike_c life.
herbijudlestoids: i was under the impression that the existing implmentation was pretty well coded (at least from a security perspective) but it seems like most on here disagree
herbijudlestoids: for if it was good we would not be having this discussion
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids the original stuff was poorly written by one unexperienced coder with a lot of system design experience.
mircea_popescu: it has since been "fixed" in the hands of mediocre coders with no system design comprehension whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: the resultant mess is unusable past about 0.6.x or thereabouts, for these reasons.
pankkake: the initial code was horrible, couldn't get it to compile, full of wxwindows crap where there shouldn't be. stayed away :/
pankkake: just having bitcoind with no GUI code was than achievement
herbijudlestoids: and we are at 0.8.6.x now? what do you mean by unusable?
herbijudlestoids: from a development perspective? as in unusable to modify/update the code?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Do you play chess?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i play chees poorly.
herbijudlestoids: s/chees/chess
herbijudlestoids: but i really enjoy playing
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Do you know Algebraic notation well enough to play in text?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what is customarily meant by unusable. "which can't be used for its intended purpose"
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: been a while with algebraic notation but moderately confident i could pick it up quickly enough for such purpose
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo has been looking for someone to beat ever since truffles ran off
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: so the bitcoind/bitcoin-qt implementation cannot be used for its intended purpose of sending/receiving/storing bitcoin blockchain whatevers
mircea_popescu: SAFELY and etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0030001 = 0.15 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: not sure i understand still, possibly retard serum levels still too high, but if its not secure or whatever, how come im not haxing into your walletz right now
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As far as the tournament you spec'd goes my only credited loss is to namworld.
BingoBoingo: Twas on the night I almost finished a handle of Vodka
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Do you have a favored color?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: not particularly...is this one of those trick questions where you psychologically evluate my expertise as a player with a simple one liner?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Davout is also been asking if he can get a late entry into the round robin.
pankkake: herbijudlestoids: that seems like a typical BingoBoingo trick yes
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No. You just said you play poorly so taking you at face value I want to know if you have a stronger color, which might make the game more interesting.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I just hate games like when truffles annoyed me into playing him while I was sober.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: sorry dude i am just recovering from some illness and about to go full pelt into a bunch of work related things as we are growing rapidly now...you want someone with more free time :)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How about pick head or tails?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids for the same reason you're not fucking all the floozies in your town right now.
herbijudlestoids: i have a friend who may be interested, he loves teh chezz, online etc...dunno about text based but i assume he would be into it
BingoBoingo: ;;coin
gribble: tails
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: im not hacking into your wallet because i feel drained and empty whenever i hear it talk?
mircea_popescu: i guess you're not man enough for it.
herbijudlestoids: maybe. just trying to understand your "unusable" comment.
BingoBoingo: Ok, anyone who isn't a scaredy cat OZ pussy interest in playing/
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids right.
herbijudlestoids: would any of you sirs be interested in purchasing a small amount of ATC off me, for the sole purpose of increasing my WoT rating from 0?
mircea_popescu: it's wonderbread. i wouldn't use it and i don't agree it's bread. you could say this is me being elitist, you could devise some tests of breadess wonderbread passes
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids how much ?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I might be willing to sell ATC at the right price, but my drunk ass isn't buying.
herbijudlestoids: i have 56 of them which are mature enough to transfer
herbijudlestoids: sell for the midpoint between bid/ask on openex
herbijudlestoids: not really looking for anything except as a mechanism to get into WoT usefully
BingoBoingo: ATC hasn't traded at the midpoint on Openex though. It has traded at the asks
herbijudlestoids: dude we are talking 56 of them, not 5,600,000
benkay: mike_c: are you satisfied with <asciilifeform> the only truly unambiguous definition of a computation is the
benkay: computation itself.
benkay: ?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: And we are talking pricing. Unless you do like the candy shop and package the atc with a teddy bear, there is no room for a premium to be demanded.
herbijudlestoids: ok...whatever...ill take the ask, i dont really care about the price
BingoBoingo: benkay: You ever play chess. I think you could beat me soundly
herbijudlestoids: we are quibbling over an infitesimaly small amount of value
benkay: hell no
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No, we are discussing constraints of the system.
mircea_popescu: 56 ?! cmon, i can't make a tx that small.
benkay: BingoBoingo ^^
mike_c: benkay: yes, i was just saying it is insufficient. it describes the process, but does not help you extend it or use it because you don't know any of the rationale. we worked the point over pretty good about an hour ago :)
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: wut? all i am trying to do is establish some WoT creds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1143 @ 0.00012401 = 0.1417 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: since you guys all love the fucken WoT
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Then maybe trade something other than an altcoin?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he's not a virgin, so there's the end of that.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: and how the f am i supposed to sell other shit on -otc without a WoT rating?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I didn't think anyone on this channel was a virgin
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, you have any MPOE?
BingoBoingo: Any S.NSA or S.BBET?
mircea_popescu: he has some mpoe graphs...
herbijudlestoids: so the answer is no. nobody is willing to purchase a small amount of ATC off me for the purpose of establishing my trust on WoT
KRS-One: haha
herbijudlestoids: i couldve just taken a no :)
mike_c: s.nsa went cheap today. somebody got a great deal.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids listen, a 5k satoshi tx is like... impossible to even propagate.
mircea_popescu: you'll need moar.
mircea_popescu: $vwap s.nsa
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.NSA 1 day: average: 0.0001056 high: 0.000107 low: 0.000105 volume: 54348 btc: 5.739064 7 day: average: 0.00010598 high: 0.000159 low: 0.000105 volume: 74350 btc: 7.879382 30 day: average: 0.00012212 high: 0.00017 low: 0.000105 volume: 99420 btc: 12.141282
BingoBoingo: After the time it takes to withdraw 27500 ATC from Openex I'd be willing to sell it for the same 645 satoshi bid I have nao.
mircea_popescu: ahaha 645 srsly ?!
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You forget the part where you could buy the ATC
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There is barely anything stoping 645 from happening
moiety: hihi :)
KRS-One: of course becase there isnt any demand or volume
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There'a actually barely anything on the book preventing 10,000 satoshis as well though
KRS-One: I could put my dick out there and gt a few bucks for it
mircea_popescu: i was gonna buy moar but 650 satoshi...
coingenuity: sup mircea_popescu
mike_c: 10k blocks of ATC have sold for 500 satoshi
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This offer isn't for you then. I wrote it for the Dogers.
mircea_popescu: coingenuity same old.
coingenuity: i feel ya
mircea_popescu: i guess ima wait for the atc0x hack then
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: ok is there some minimum youd consider? i have more but in immature blocks. willing to wait
BingoBoingo: coingenuity: Can you get a quote on 10 oz libertads to retile my bathroom yet?>
mike_c: herbijudlestoids: go find sturles. he sells small amounts of btc to help people establish wot.
mircea_popescu: what's the minimum dust atm ? 54300 ?
moiety: i are having stupid question moment. halps?
benkay: mike_c: using and extending the protocol is a non-starter right now. first we need a rock-solid, well-defined thing.
coingenuity: BingoBoingo: mexico is all fucked up, libertads are a pain to get
mircea_popescu: moiety shoot
mircea_popescu: benkay totally nobody;s using it.
moiety: you know I'm still mining my vanitygen and it's at 96.7%... can i still use my cmd window for something else while it's doing that? (sorry i know it's probably glaringly obvious)
benkay: moiety: why not spin up a new cmd window?
herbijudlestoids: moiety: win or lin?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Windows?
mircea_popescu: yes you may.
moiety: omg you can get multiple cmds? i love this thing more every day
mircea_popescu: terrible fucken bad luck, 97% ?!
BingoBoingo: moiety: I thought you moved past Windows.
moiety: thank you all and apologies again, i'm learning
mircea_popescu: moiety you know... you can open a new cmd window
moiety: no, never got to linuxing
mircea_popescu: even windows isn't apple.
moiety: i only just found ctrl alt shift!
herbijudlestoids: moiety: Start => Run => type "cmd", hit enter
mircea_popescu: ctrl-alt-tit should be a shocker then.
BingoBoingo: moiety: I feel lied to. You told me months ago you were linuxing. Back when you adopted smuxi as your IRC client
mike_c: benkay: yes, i just don't think a reference implementation counts as well defined. so TCP_KEEPALIVE is set to 100. why? was that picked intellignetly, randomly, or it doesn't really fking matter? you don't know from implementation.
asciilifeform: probabilistic algo. also quite possible that it will never converge (i.e. nothing useful hashes to fooXXXX... where foo is the vanity string)
moiety: i am still at the same position as that day BingoBoingo. I can still see the linux CDs on top of my pc. I just never used them yet
moiety: and i tried to get bitchx to work talking of irc but really failed with that.
BingoBoingo: moiety: If that is the case just skip linux and go to a BSD or Gentoo
herbijudlestoids: people still use bitchx?
moiety: check me oot with ma two wee cmds!
moiety: well, i had been wondering about bsd
mircea_popescu: what was the cmd bomb for windows ?
herbijudlestoids: cmd bomb?
asciilifeform: he probably meant fork bomb
coingenuity: mircea_popescu: there's a lot of them
mircea_popescu: yeah
asciilifeform: http://www.c-integration.com/blog/showpost.php/82-windows-fork-bomb-crash-windows-in-5-seconds
moiety: c'mon you just gave me the way to two, lets not blow them up mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: etc
BingoBoingo: moiety: BSD isn't too different. If you take that route O'Reilley has a minature verion of their sysadmin essentials book which would be valuable.
mircea_popescu: ty
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You ever play chess?
asciilifeform: on occasion.
asciilifeform: i'm one of those bozos who 'graduated' to Go.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You at all familiar with algebraic notation?
asciilifeform: certainly.
moiety: has anyone tried chess 2?
BingoBoingo: I could use a loss
moiety: play me then BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: can't guarantee a loss
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: can you play me and moiety in a simul or how do we split this demand?
asciilifeform: i'll take a raincheck. about to fall asleep.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Heads or tails?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Works for me.
mircea_popescu: tails.
BingoBoingo: ;;coin
gribble: tails
pankkake: WHAT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.0
mircea_popescu: pankkake scam
moiety: hahaha i love gribble more every day
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Troll the imposter coin.
moiety: i really can't play very well BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: pankkake: what's with the obligatory faux-gold-coin pics, anyway
asciilifeform: no crapartist seems to resist those
BingoBoingo: moiety: Fuck it, I'm drunk. Not lose to namworld drunk, but kind of drunk.
herbijudlestoids: i really dont understand what everyone seems to think the value of ASIC proofing a network is
moiety: you're always drunk. you'll get a quick win!
mircea_popescu: cause gold is valuable.
moiety: unless its on a crackhead
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids welcome to the club.
mircea_popescu: i've not understood it a year and a half later.
herbijudlestoids: its like being proud that any small actor with $5million can destroy your coin
herbijudlestoids: gg
pankkake: it's actually worse, being asic proof makes you vulnerable to botnets, supercomputers, clouds, anything you can rent for CHEAP
BingoBoingo: moiety: White or black
herbijudlestoids: pankkake: yea exactly.
mircea_popescu: "Now that Bitcoin computational power is handled almost entirely by large data centers, the currency has rapidly changed from a distributed, decentralized currency, to one that is much more centralized and vulnerable. Companies such as Cex.io are routinely hitting 40% PoW computational power on a daily basis, and will soon be able to perform 51% attacks at will, if they so choose."
moiety: either you choose
mircea_popescu: derp. wasn't it btcguild that had 40%ish back in feb 2013 ?
BingoBoingo: moiety: How about heads or tails (knowing I'd prefer black)
pankkake: I remember when deepbit was the big bad
asciilifeform: the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining.
asciilifeform: i.e. they want to parcel out new coin to warm bodies
asciilifeform: or their phriends
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: i think its stupider than that
herbijudlestoids: they feel that ASICS are "unfair"
herbijudlestoids: and that anyone should be able to mine some coins
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the essence is, some people have a fundamental but unspoken disagreement with the basic premise behind mining. <<< exactly.
asciilifeform: that's precisely the thing. warm body rights.
BingoBoingo: phriends, are people still making blue boxes?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: no they dont work anymore
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is constantly being colonised by people who have fundamental but unverbalised disagreements with its fundamental principles.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they would if they could.
asciilifeform: not so much colonized as dropped straight into their hands at birth, and slowly wrestled out, with partial success so far
herbijudlestoids: i dont think any phone system has in band signalling since the early 90s, even in oz
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The old GTE payphone Verizon hasn't killed yet may still be vulnerable.
moiety: i'll be white bingo :)
BingoBoingo: moiety: K, it is your move.
asciilifeform: "Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I can’t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out. But the batteries have not yet run out!" -- old turd of mine
mircea_popescu: | 33554432 | 4 GB | 22864142697 | Sun, 15 Jul 2694 06:44:57 GMT | |
mircea_popescu: ahahaha EPIC shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5676 @ 0.00086964 = 4.9361 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: "The Gods Must be Crazy"
mircea_popescu: check it out, they decided 4gb should be enough for everyone on sunday 2694
herbijudlestoids: glegh
pankkake: if you don't have 4gb in 2014 I feel for you
moiety: i'm the colour of milk naturally. ok, give me a sec, gonna have to find a board to see
asciilifeform: eh, the way earthlings roll, that's several 'Year Zero's away.
herbijudlestoids: moiety: http://www.mark-weeks.com/aboutcom/images/ble21alg.gif
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: some ex-soviet badlands still use exchanges with mechanical Strowger switches. and in-band. bluebox there.
moiety: aw yiss, thank you herbi :D
mircea_popescu: pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459028.msg5107020#msg5107020
mircea_popescu: "Sorry about that. I was doing some work on the server and accidentally killed the stratum."
mircea_popescu: clearly this coin is the solution to all centralisation troubles.
pankkake: fake altcoin has feature "Auto connect to ALTCOIN network without config"
asciilifeform: still waiting for the first altturd called 'bitcoin'.
pankkake: basically, properly configured seed nodes
asciilifeform: i mean, if we're going to collide names...
pankkake: altcoins expectations are low
mircea_popescu: https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs14.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F140212%2Ffjnk6mru.png&t=537&c=OROVgYkaPEIyYg
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Several alt-turds have been called Bitcoin
asciilifeform: beautiful. now all they need is a media loudspeaker
mircea_popescu: . Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D.
asciilifeform: 'The True Bitcoin, Discovered!1!!'
mircea_popescu: The Turd Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: (accidental typo)
mircea_popescu: Dev, correct start page,
mircea_popescu: 4294967296 is 2^32, not 2^36
mircea_popescu: 2^36 = 68,719,476,736
mircea_popescu: So could you specify again, how many coins total ?
mircea_popescu: Sorry for the little error, I changed it to 2^32, total number is 4294967296.
mircea_popescu: this shit's pretty good
mircea_popescu: the little error is well... some billions.
asciilifeform: that must be one fellow who never read the chessboard-rice tale as a boy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either that or a fellow lieing about the eventual volume
asciilifeform: (vizier promises to put one grain on a square, two on the next, four...)
mircea_popescu: too lazy to discern if naively stupid or interestedly stupid
herbijudlestoids: i have been trolling the shit out of bitcloud
mircea_popescu: anyway, kinda funny that the alt was the true altcoin before there were fake altcoins
moiety: BingoBoingo: h2 to h3 please
BingoBoingo: K, d7-d6
herbijudlestoids: what im hoping is that i convince everyone interested in bitcloud to contribute to freenet instead
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yeah. that'll work.
BingoBoingo: freenet? maori like failnet.
mircea_popescu: link some examples of trollage to shit will you
moiety: BingoBoingo: b2 to b3
BingoBoingo: Cause Whales of fail.
BingoBoingo: Nf6
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: there are rational arguments against 'asicability' that don't reduce to 'one meat puppet, one vote damnit'
pankkake: did bitcloud produce any code?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: well unfortunately i didnt keep logs of my efforts in the irc chan, but here is the reddit thread i started for lulz www.reddit.com/r/bitcloud/comments/1xlwp5/bitcloud_prefers_hype_to_work/
asciilifeform: asics make it hard to flee to a new workfunction if the old one is somehow borked.
asciilifeform: (i.e. serious mathematical advance)
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: certainly i dont disagree with your statement sir however i doubt any who are proponents of these anti ASCI coins are thinking that
mircea_popescu: i can't believe the canonical windoze fork bomb uses goto.
herbijudlestoids: s/ASCI/ASIC
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course it does, becaue Fortran
mircea_popescu: learn to keep logs they be important
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tricky to forkbomb where you haven't a 'fork'!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or even a "for i 0 to process count do launch this process"
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i am willing to listen to your opinion on why freenet is failnet.
mircea_popescu: epic.
pankkake: java :(
pankkake: actually, it's mostly usuability issues
BingoBoingo: Maybe in detail when this game is over? herbijudlestoids
pankkake: 0530 pankkake> java :(
pankkake: 0531 pankkake> actually, it's mostly usuability issues
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: sure :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00087086 = 8.5336 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: pankkake: and when was the last time you used it?
pankkake: 2 years ago I think
herbijudlestoids: lel
pankkake: I really like the darknet/opennet approach
moiety: BingoBoingo: c2 - c3
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids are all the commenters your socks ?
herbijudlestoids: try it out then, lots of recent improvements
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: they certainly are not. i am triplecheesecheese.
mircea_popescu: holy shit then there's no trolling there
mircea_popescu: everyone agrees the thing is ridiculous
herbijudlestoids: well, except Javier the douchenozzle
herbijudlestoids: i really feel like he is the kind of guy i could wake up in the morning and troll
herbijudlestoids: troll him all day
BingoBoingo: moiety: g6
herbijudlestoids: then go home and hang up my hat feeling satisfied that id done something meaningful with my life
pankkake: herbijudlestoids: you're worse than me!
mircea_popescu: trolling idiots is meaningful now ?
mircea_popescu: why, because we subscribe to the theory that idiots are people too, just like us ?
herbijudlestoids: nah, but he is out there, and any disruptions i can cause to his presence on the internet is an automatic gain to the rest of internetdom
herbijudlestoids: if he spends an hour writing a response to my complaints its an hour he cant spend otherwise
pankkake: but how much time does that cost you?
mircea_popescu: so ddosing idiots now.
asciilifeform: '...but the pig will enjoy it.'
herbijudlestoids: not all the idiots
herbijudlestoids: just the ones that really get my grill
herbijudlestoids: anyway im done, i dont know if theres much more i can do
herbijudlestoids: he already unsubscribed me from the mailing list :P
herbijudlestoids: although if i catch kyle_torpey in here again i might be tempted to /query him
pankkake: I'm tired of all the nonprojects
pankkake: since diaspora
nubbins`: have i complained about the client who wants organic tank tops?
pankkake: don't think so
BingoBoingo: diaspora was the worst. Inquisition was better
mircea_popescu: yeah eyah you did
herbijudlestoids: pankkake: yea i feel it. there is lots of abandonware out there...some even had potential
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids you've really been in all the shitholes huh
nubbins`: she now wants tote bags printed and they're made out of weed
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: for some definitions of shitholes.
moiety: bingoboingo: wut
mircea_popescu: diaspora meets any.
BingoBoingo: moiety: I moved pawn g6
nubbins`: ^ heh, a challenger approaches!
BingoBoingo: Cause I'm fly like a g6
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: after the initial hype, i did some trolling and ignored it. forgot about it. but then, they subscribed me to the mailing list...somehow, i dunno even know how they got my email address. maybe i accidentally entered it somewhere bitcloud related. but i figured since they invited me to the discussion, i would make my viewpoint heard on their mailing list, reddit, irc, etc
mircea_popescu: sounds sensible.
BingoBoingo: They nevar did that to me.
BingoBoingo: Avoiding OS grifter spam == playing dumb
herbijudlestoids: pankkake: but some projects are still projects even though they had huge risk of becoming nonprojects. like freenet! and i2p!
herbijudlestoids: im grateful for that
BingoBoingo: Tor has nothing on turtle routing
pankkake: when I mentionned diaspora I meant projects that got hype despite being lead by people unqualified for the task, and ignoring the existing solutions
BingoBoingo: lol
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: how is turtle F2F different from retroshare...which uses mircea_popescu favorite GPG
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: admittedly cool that was developed by tanenbaum
pankkake: is the turtle on elephants?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Why I don't use either seems like decent IT homework reading
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: ill hassle you once your match with moiety and asciilifeform are over :)
BingoBoingo: pankkake: No, it is turtles all of the way down, like iran
herbijudlestoids: and maybe try and catch you slightly more sober
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform is tired and moiety is looking to answer 3. c3 g6
herbijudlestoids: anyway chaps, im going to lie down and try and recuperate. behave yourselves
moiety: just carry on
herbijudlestoids: this place is one of the more intellectually stimulating corners of the internet and i have become tired
BingoBoingo: moiety: Your move
moiety: it's ok, play with herbi, it will be a bettergame
BingoBoingo: moiety: He's sleeping too
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: devise, then... elephant routing. i'm off to bed.
herbijudlestoids: moiety: if you dont finish the match we will never hear the end of it. i can wait to hassle bingo about my retardedness :)
BingoBoingo: ANd he's an aussie. I gues Crocodile dundee was a myth
moiety: f2-f3
moiety: aaaaaaand did double take there at dundee lol
BingoBoingo: Bg7
BingoBoingo: Elephant routing == transmit messages through error reports to Netflix
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moiety: h3-h4
BingoBoingo: 0-0
moiety: i have no idea what the board looks like
BingoBoingo: moiety: I though you had a gif or soemthing
nubbins`: ha
moiety: what even is 0?
moiety: m using herbis picture in paint
moiety: and a chess site
moiety: for what the pieces are and where they begin
moiety: ive never played without a board, im sorry
nubbins`: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50842076/chess2.svg
nubbins`: ^ svg board and pieces
nubbins`: open w/ inkscape
herbijudlestoids: lel. moiety i think 0-0 is an emoticon ;)
moiety: oh lol thanks herbi
moiety: i don't think bingo can type from hitting his forehead of the desk rightnow
moiety: i have that effect a lot
BingoBoingo: moiety: Try putting the moves in http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html
BingoBoingo: 0-0 is castle kingside
BingoBoingo: 1. h3 d6
moiety: it puts in your moves too though
moiety: like guesses
BingoBoingo: 2. b3 Nf6
moiety: i'll stick to drawing it out
mircea_popescu: 0-0 is the short castling ye ninnies
BingoBoingo: 3. c3 g6
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moiety: b3-b4 please!
BingoBoingo: c5
mircea_popescu: Work on the Diaspora software began in May 2010. Finn Brunton, a teacher and digital media researcher at New York University, described their method as "a return of the classic geek means of production: pizza and ramen and guys sleeping under the desks because it is something that it is really exciting and challenging." A developer preview was released on September 15 and received criticism for various security bugs
mircea_popescu: fucking greek means of production based on italian fisherman dishes as implemented by american kids who sleep under desks in offices because even that's more interesting than their social life.
moiety: bingo but i thought castles could only move to the corners, you dont have a free corner
BingoBoingo: moiety: Castling is moving the king two spaces horizontally and then the rook cuddles it
moiety: oh fck sorry
BingoBoingo: moiety: Collect the moves so far and put them in http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html
BingoBoingo: And my Rooks are big, cuddly, and black just like Micheal Sam.
pankkake: pizza and ramen are not paleo, how can you code on that
BingoBoingo: 4. f3 Bg7
BingoBoingo: 5. h4 0-0
BingoBoingo: 6. b4 c5
BingoBoingo: I think we are caught up to the current state of the game, moiety does this look right?
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Maybe paleo is wrong?
moiety: be3
moiety: fuck knows
BingoBoingo: moiety: I dunno how one of your bishops get to e3
moiety: ok
moiety: retract
BingoBoingo: Bc1-e3 right now seems blocked by your pawn at d3
BingoBoingo: *d2
moiety: i told you you should play with herbi
BingoBoingo: pawn at d2 blocks
BingoBoingo: moiety: Last time I played an aussie it was Vexual. That game was not pretty.
moiety: are they really good or really bad you mean?
bloctoc: has etheream been discussed in here yet?
bloctoc: ethereum
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: If by discussed you mean laughed at
moiety: i love chess and i would like to get better, i just didn't realise you meant playing so manually, it's above my station
jcpham: isn't that what they were growing on the ice planet hoth?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, get caught up on a board or board like website.
moiety: a2-a3
BingoBoingo: moiety: But yes, basically the is playing off of the minimum necessary information.
bitcoinpete: I must've heard the high praises of ethereum 45 times tonight.
bitcoinpete: Surpassed only by smart contracts
jcpham: fuck chess checkers is for real sophisticates
bitcoinpete: Oh, and howdy
BingoBoingo: cxb4
moiety: im determined, that counts right?
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: How many dicks could a dickchuck suck if a dickchuck could suck dick?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Sure
bloctoc: bitcoinpete where was that?
moiety: lolololol @ twister
jcpham: mircea_popescu this channel has AIDS or something
bitcoinpete: at our meet-up, or "meet-up",
bitcoinpete: at our meet-up, or "meet-up",
jcpham: next they'll be planning meet ups
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Meet up in which region?
herbijudlestoids: bloctoc: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014&bots=true#444028
BingoBoingo: Springfield Missouri with Active Miner Ken?
moiety: nd3
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Thankfully not. In Canada.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Then smoke a bowl with nubbins' and relax
BingoBoingo: moiety: Knights dun move that diretion...
moiety: you are such a good hostess after a few vodkas
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: My skepticism was confusing to most of them
moiety: i thought they went L, is that bishops
BingoBoingo: moiety: They do move in an L, but only that one size of L.
moiety: ive been taught it wrong then. i have been trying to move c1 to d3.
BingoBoingo: The L moiety is defined such that your knight at b1 could move to a3, c3, or d2
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Though I was able to show one that the vagaries of language are to contracts what kraft is to dinner
BingoBoingo: moiety: The piece you should have on c1 is a Bishop
herbijudlestoids: i feel like this is the best chess game ever
moiety: aw fuck i see whati got wrong
moiety: lol herbi!
herbijudlestoids: seriously
moiety: you're watching me learn here
BingoBoingo: I'm only getting drunker
bitcoinpete: I quite like that there's a chess game going on. Haven't noticed one before when reading the logs
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: They happen sporadically
moiety: as long as you aren't getting more annoyed thats fine
BingoBoingo: moiety: As long as you don't press for speed chess like truffles I'm fine
bitcoinpete: This is a truly fascinating corner of the net
herbijudlestoids: moiety: whats that saying..."never argue with an idiot, theyll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" ...i feel like if anyone reasonably tried to match BingoBoingo they would lose...but you are winning at lulz here
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: It is indeed
moiety: lolol moiety and speed chess in the same sentence
moiety: well thats a win in my book herbi! :D
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I lose all of the time in chess
moiety: not today!
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: I've been reading the logs for the last few days after reading Trilema for the last 8-9 months. It's about I made my way here
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: I've been reading the logs for the last few days after reading Trilema for the last 8-9 months. It's about I made my way here
herbijudlestoids: bitcoinpete: do you know that your client is repeating lines?
BingoBoingo: Sweet Bitcoinpete, nice to see someone does the reading
moiety: g1-h4
BingoBoingo: ?g1-h3????
moiety: i'm saving for trilema, i haven't wanted a subscription before
moiety: ok ok hang on!
BingoBoingo: Those L's only come in one size
bitcoinpete: herbijudlestoids: did not… Any client suggestions for mac?
bitcoinpete: herbijudlestoids: did not… Any client suggestions for mac?
moiety: oh yeah i meant 3 not 4
herbijudlestoids: bitcoinpete: what are you using?
moiety: i'mbad for hopping extra, sorry
BingoBoingo: bxc3
herbijudlestoids: i would always recommend irssi, but its personal preference
bitcoinpete: herbijudlestoids: Lingo. It was free
bitcoinpete: herbijudlestoids: Lingo. It was free
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Maybe try a different client?
herbijudlestoids: bitcoinpete: try this one http://colloquy.info/ ...or xchat is pretty standard gui
BingoBoingo: Xchat is nice
MisterE: so they begrudgingly passed a debt ceiling bill
moiety: c3 - b4?
bitcoinpete: herbijudlestoids: much obliged
BingoBoingo: moiety: b4 took c3
MisterE: chess?
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: lol debt ceiling is a joke, right? considering QE to the tune of 80bn/month atm?
moiety: huh, i have a space
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MisterE: herbijudlestoids: yea they could get their shit together and not need to raise it
MisterE: plenty of cash flowing in
herbijudlestoids: lel no they couldnt
MisterE: cur foreign aid and military
herbijudlestoids: budget deficit is > trade deficit
herbijudlestoids: ergo, QE
moiety: a3-a4
moiety: damnit i thought i stole a manny there
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: the debt is too large to be reasonably be paid back. it will be defaulted on or inflated away (stealth default) or similar.
herbijudlestoids: there is no hiding from the mathematics of that fact
BingoBoingo: cxd2+
MisterE: what they couldn't do is make the cuts they should / need to make because it would put a bunch of peopl eout of work
MisterE: yea thats why they started letting the dollar weaken
moiety: i'm back to smuxi, but i would really like to get BitchX going, i just couldn't get it to work
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: you do realise that foreign aid in toto, including military stuff, is 1% of the US budget?
herbijudlestoids: moiety: irssi > bitchx imo :)
BingoBoingo: moiety: Try Xchat with the SASL plugin
MisterE: that may be direct foregn cash aid but I doubt that covers military
BingoBoingo: moiety: Also cxd2+
moiety: ive got xchat. whinges at me all the time and smuix is cuter. will look up irssi herbi!
moiety: ah thanks!
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: ....2011 total military and economic assitance 50bn
MisterE: well if it is really that small then start whacking away at the defense and DHS / surveillance state budgets
moiety: oi no thanks, you took my dude there didnt you
MisterE: no way, they send just that much to Israel alone every year
BingoBoingo: moiety: Of course
MisterE: let alone Egypt, etc.
moiety: i'm telling mircea on you
mircea_popescu: bloctoc it doesn't seem to be popular. why do you ask ?
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: you are mistaken.
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: $3bn/annum to israel
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete do i know you from twittr ?
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'd be more worried if you told kakobrekla
MisterE: hmm I wonder how much $3bn could do for schools
moiety: why?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Because kakobrekla runs assbot
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: a lot probably. $3bn is huge in meatspace. dunno if you heard about this http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/12/occupy-wall-street-activists-15m-personal-debt (just 15mn)
MisterE: but thats a lot lower than I expected where are you getting numbers from?
bitcoinpete: member:mircea_popescu: If you remember me, I'd be flattered :D
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: where are *you* getting *your* numbers from?
moiety: i haven't really noticed assbot, i saw an ozbot.. and i like gribble a lot!
MisterE: I haven't been putting any out heh
herbijudlestoids: you said the US sends $50bn a year to israel.
bloctoc: just trying to find out if it's the real deal. I like the fact that certain operations get more hard coded over time and high use. It sounds a lot like how neural pathways get created. Other than that, it's pretty much the same group of folks evangelizing today that were evangelizing ripple last year.
moiety: bf4
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: I kept the same screen name with exactly that in mind
moiety: scrap that i dont know where my own men are
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'll post a pic
mircea_popescu: why's bitcoinpete saying things twice why's bitcoinpete saying things twice
moiety: f1-b5 im sure i can have
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: its not that im disagreeing with you on certain issues, but its impotant to have the correct information.
MisterE: Since 1974, Israel has received nearly $100 billion in assistance. OK thats less than I thought
MisterE: yea
herbijudlestoids: for example, because you have incorrect information, you believe the US can fix its problem, whereas i feel the monetary issue in the US has reached escape velocity
BingoBoingo: moiety: look at http://imgur.com/XQuzdoi first
herbijudlestoids: we now await the return to atmo
MisterE: well given the current mindset I agree
Mats_cd03: bitcoinpete: irccloud is great
MisterE: but we can all tighten our belts and balance our checkbooks if there is a real desire
BingoBoingo: moiety: You are in check so addressing that is priority 1
MisterE: Americans are too spoiled so will let it all go to hell instead
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: *we* have nothing to do with it, when the US Federal Reserve is QEing to the tune of 80bn/month
herbijudlestoids: they are printing cash to meet obligations and dumping it on your front lawn.
mircea_popescu: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/12/us-eu-banks-savings-idUSBREA1B1ZI20140212
ozbot: Exclusive: EU executive sees personal savings used to plug long-term financing gap
mircea_popescu: eu wants to steal pensions too!
MisterE: oh that's just the latest face of their printing presses running at full speed
MisterE: before QE it was direct cash injections into banks
MisterE: etc.
herbijudlestoids: ...
bitcoinpete: Mats_cd03: merci
herbijudlestoids: the point is that if everyone tightened their belt it has no relevance if on the other side of the field they are spewing tickets.
herbijudlestoids: make sense or not?
herbijudlestoids: austerity will not solve this problem
mircea_popescu: <bloctoc> " pretty much the same group of folks evangelizing today that were evangelizing ripple last year." and therein you have your answer.
mircea_popescu: same useless pile of crap, same troop of vultures, same spiel.
MisterE: yea it probaby has to go to hell for anything to ever be done about the fed
herbijudlestoids: just like putting a freeze on banker salaries does not stop certain banks from being giant black holes for capital
BingoBoingo: moiety: Study the board. You are down three pawns. I'm going to the garage to smoke a cigarette. Use these 5-7 minutes to come up with a plan.
MisterE: *sigh* humans suck
mircea_popescu: except this time they had the sense to stick to altspace and so i couldn't care less
KRS-One: i resemble that remark
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: hell or not i dunno...we are just talking about the obligations of the US Government otherwise called a dollar.
moiety: aww fuck man thats pretty different from mine
moiety: http://i.imgur.com/dDMRjAS.png
MisterE: which is not worth the paper it's printed on
MisterE: backed up by a stack of IOUs
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids austerity would in fact have solved the problem, back in FY 2009-2010, while creating ohter problems.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i agree, it's escaped.
herbijudlestoids: MisterE: those two statements have *always* been true, at least since 1970s
MisterE: actually dollars are rags not paper
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: yes sure.
MisterE: yea true
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i dont disagree that GFC was a chance to rebalance
MisterE: there was a chance in the late 00s
moiety: well bloody b1 - d2 for a start bingo lol
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids just, there wasn't who to go on tv and say "you can either all starve and your kids can have a country to live in or else we continue derping around and we might as well just go buy the rope now. so i've chosen for you to starve, stfu and eat it with the big spoon"
moiety: aw herbi, hes got tons o my bits
herbijudlestoids: my feeling is that we will just continue to repeat the current boom/bust cycle until one of the cycles kills the dollar as a global reserve asset and the euro takes over
MisterE: mircea_popescu: American's can't handle that
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm still smoking. CHeck the moves so far on this board http://htmlchess.sourceforge.net/demo/example.html
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids not one of. this is it.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: highly likely.
mircea_popescu: MisterE their problem, cause nobody's askin what you can handle.
MisterE: they will be in the street with their guns, serious civil unrest
MisterE: they are spoiled
herbijudlestoids: i dont want to make predictions in this discussion, leave it to you
mircea_popescu: perfect.
mircea_popescu: ty ty.
MisterE: thats why I left 8-years ago and now live in Asia
herbijudlestoids: just trying to put my 2c out there
herbijudlestoids: 2satoshis even
MisterE: heh
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i was gonna say, you dun got 2 bitcents :D
herbijudlestoids: butthole, i do, i got just over 2
herbijudlestoids: i got 0.02BTC
MisterE: I tried to buy $100 of BTC at $5 and the site was all funky I could not figure how to get my money transfered in and so I let it go
MisterE: like 2-years ago
mircea_popescu: o hey wd!
mircea_popescu: btc was 30 2 years ago
MisterE: well, whenever it was 5
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BTC was 30 three years ago, but not 2
mircea_popescu: fuck me no it wasn't
MisterE: ^ sounds more right
mircea_popescu: whoa how quickly we forget.
MisterE: err less wrong
MisterE: not us losers :p
MisterE: we dont forget
mircea_popescu: no, you're right, it was about 5 two years ago
BingoBoingo: BTC first hit $31 on the Adrian CHen Silk Road Story.
BingoBoingo: And two years ago was $5-11 because GLBSE scam and BTCST scam
BingoBoingo: Most of summer 2012 BTC was around 11 until the Pirate default.
BingoBoingo: Then it went down to $4
bitcoinpete: MisterE: At least you finally bought in. I get a kick out of people who were similarly unwilling to get past the exchange rigamarole and now say it's too expensive.
MisterE: pfft the upside is still exponential
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: DO you know Paul Graham.
MisterE: plus I been buying the dips
jcpham: where can i get bitcoins?
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: nope
jcpham: do i mine them?
bitcoinpete: Ha
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Shame, know any other VC's?
MisterE: If you live in a big city localbitcoins.com
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Not really, never needed to
jcpham: i trolling this chat is retarded to me
jcpham: i love hearing history lessons fromstrangers
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: If you find any I have a standing offer on my blog selling bullshit filering services.
jcpham: basically i hang out in these channels to scoop up your free info
MisterE: invoice is in the mail jcpham
BingoBoingo: lol jcpham that's how I finally made /.
herbijudlestoids: jcpham: nobody minds, better you get it here than elsewhere. if it was secret the chan'd be +k and half wouldnt bein here
jcpham: i'm just jaded
MisterE: actually expanding the community benefits us all
mircea_popescu: jcpham just a little trouble coping is all >D
herbijudlestoids: i have never met anyone as jaded as the likes of mircea_popescu or BingoBoingo lol
mircea_popescu: how am i jaded!
MisterE: jaded how?
herbijudlestoids: dude you are post jaded
BingoBoingo: I wonder that as well.
MisterE: lol
mircea_popescu: MisterE now do it in a pesci voice
MisterE: post-jaded
BingoBoingo: I am constantly in a state of wonder
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: haha k
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what's you mean by jaded ?
jcpham: no fucks were given that day mircea_popescu
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: people who have seen enough to be unimpressed
jcpham: except every day
mircea_popescu: o that. i guess i'm jaded then.
jcpham: i've seen every bitcoin scam and they just repeat
herbijudlestoids: how do i call urban dictionary?
herbijudlestoids: ;;urban jaded
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: As I can tell the difference is MP has been shot where as I have merely had a shotgun pointed inches from my face
gribble: Error: "urban" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;ud jaded
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jaded | jaded. The end result of having a steady flow of negative experiences, disappointment, and unfulfillment fed into a person where they get to the point where their ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: jaded
mircea_popescu: that'd be a little different :)
BingoBoingo: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ecuvzL6i1r09wbpo1_500.jpg
herbijudlestoids: hmm. i was hoping for a different definition
herbijudlestoids: hey yo i got a question about the baits!
herbijudlestoids: forgot, thhought of it last night
mircea_popescu: o look, she's all laided.
herbijudlestoids: why does ozbot not pull from imgur.com/r/gonewild?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The baits have two cans, add a string and you too can be Gox
MisterE: :D
bitcoinpete: *sigh* I have a feeling I'm going to be spending more time here. Too early to tell whether that's a good thing but I'm inexplicably drawn in by this circus
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im making my own exchange. with blackjack and hookers.
herbijudlestoids: bitcoinpete: tell me about it
MisterE: yea bitcoinpete the rest of the BTC channels are lame
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: You can just lurk, I mean look at the lsit online. It is the way of most people. IRC nearly demands it.
bitcoinpete: never tried the others
bitcoinpete: trilema pointed here
bitcoinpete: no one else pointed anywhere else so here I am
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids hopefully australia has better hookers than what they found in miami
BingoBoingo: You can try #bitcoin-otc if you like self induced concussions
mircea_popescu: o look, i have a captive audience.
MisterE: mircea_popescu: they do but their coke sucks
herbijudlestoids: wut MisterE sed
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Give East StL a try
herbijudlestoids: coke in london is what... $50/g?
bitcoinpete: mircea: just like you always dreamed
mircea_popescu: til that the sole path for bilirubin elimination is through the uridine diphosphate glucuronosyltransferase isoform 1A1
herbijudlestoids: coke in sydney, half the purity of that of london is $300/g
MisterE: haha
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: you dont research your poop enough
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids actually... there's a trilema article on the subject
BingoBoingo: I tell you all magnesium citrate is a hell of a way to pass a drug test
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema de ce e cacatul maro
gribble: Trilenciclopedia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilenciclopedia/>; Martie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/03>
mircea_popescu: literally, inquires and explains why shit's brown
bitcoinpete: well whaddya know
herbijudlestoids: oh...ok..well i already inquired and got the explanation to that q long ago :)
mircea_popescu: im slow.
bitcoinpete: I don't remember that from biochem 200 or physl 2xx.
MisterE: what language is that site in?
bitcoinpete: And my mom didn't teach me romanian...
BingoBoingo: I haven't had a bio class since 7th grade.
herbijudlestoids: almost at 300ATC :)
MisterE: Romanian?
mircea_popescu: romanian.
herbijudlestoids: ;;calc 62700/2621404453
gribble: 2.39184761925e-05
herbijudlestoids: ^ current ATC/BTC difficulty implied price
mircea_popescu: 239 ?
bitcoinpete: I had two romanian architects living with me all summer
herbijudlestoids: ;;calc 31350/2911847381
gribble: 1.07663609723e-05
mircea_popescu: you run an architect boarding house ?
herbijudlestoids: ^^ next diff implied price
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On Doge terms that is 20k satoshis
bitcoinpete: in the off-season
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo e-05 would be 5 zeroes. so that's 3 digit satoshi price
bitcoinpete: they loved Jaime Oliver and cooked up a storm
bitcoinpete: My townhouse had a new stink every night
mircea_popescu: all romanians worth the name can cook.
herbijudlestoids: gribble reports it in 'hard-for-retards-to-understand' format... ; 62700/2621404453 ~0.00002391847619250229
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But Altcoin rules, ignore 3 of the zeros like Doge does.
bitcoinpete: The "husband" would spend hours slaving over the stove while the "wife" would read
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete now that's emancipated. were they in their 20s ?
herbijudlestoids: i bought some books before i got sick...graham greene "our man in havana" (i own almost all his novels now) and flaubert "madame bovary"
herbijudlestoids: anyone read flaubert?
BingoBoingo: You know who is emaciated, those creepy ass ski jumpers
bitcoinpete: mid-late 20s
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I did and then I buried it with crap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.0008717 = 5.5353 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: also big fans of QI, Top Gear, and America's Next Top Model
herbijudlestoids: how can QI be put in the same line with Top Gear and Americas Next Top Model
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: DO you have Hulu where you are at?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: appreciate the review ;)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well I ask about Hulu because Appilacian Outlaws is the best reality show for understanding Bitcoin.
herbijudlestoids: haha i was talking about flaubert!
herbijudlestoids: dude how drunk are you
herbijudlestoids: youre approaching vex on sat night levels
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00086675 = 13.608 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm trying to talk to bitcoinpete about tv shows. I am barely drunk.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you think I am so intoxicated are you up for a game after this one with moiety is over?
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: I don't have Hulu. Just got Netflixes
herbijudlestoids: no, you owe me one discussion about turtle F2F, retroshare and why you use neither.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Because anonymity is over rated
herbijudlestoids: although i did learn today that retroshares routing algorithm is in fact inspired by turtle
herbijudlestoids: its F2F, not anonymous?
BingoBoingo: turtle is decent for a private net.
BingoBoingo: But on public nets you have to account for the meta-NSA
BingoBoingo: meta-NSA has the solution to all crypto in a drawer
BingoBoingo: The only way to deal with meta-NSA is to invite them to lick your balls
herbijudlestoids: can you pls clarify, private net == LAN? or private net == F2F VPN
BingoBoingo: Private net is a net where you know all participants.
herbijudlestoids: yep thx
herbijudlestoids: i dont think turtle/retroshare is designed as anything but...definitely not for public net
BingoBoingo: Turtle routing is great for that. You can all watch 12 years an Oscar winnrar on that
mrkent: Anyone know where the ASIC Miner direct share spreadsheet is?
BingoBoingo: mrkent: I dunno that such a thing exists
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: so the reason you dont use it? got no friends?
mrkent: BingoBoingo, how do people trade direct shares?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Nah.
herbijudlestoids: mrkent: talkin bout this? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPdXsQFT-vIdHRVUjQ5Ql9BQWR6OENLMkhyUktUblE#gid=0
BingoBoingo: mrkent: Talk to fry'd kitty
BingoBoingo: Nd5
BingoBoingo: moiety: Your move again
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The reason to dislike that stuff is IRL friends are too cool for internet crimes
moiety: d2-c4
mrkent: herbijudlestoids, no i thought there was one where it displays which address owns which shares
BingoBoingo: Bg7xa1
herbijudlestoids: mrkent: sorry, cant help, i just pulled that off google
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: yea fair enough. i also get the feeling that retroshare might not have the highest code quality
mrkent: np thanks
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I can't trust that the petty shit isn't backdoored from the start
BingoBoingo: I've got misdemeanor charges to still fight
herbijudlestoids: lel
moiety: thanks for making me homeless, prick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26398 @ 0.0008723 = 23.027 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Can't just roll over and eat a fine. Have to convince that states attorney that if this is how he fight a misdemeanor a felony can't be worth prosecuting
herbijudlestoids: i was supposed to be in bed recuperating but who can sleep when the greatest chess match of all time is happening in -assets
BingoBoingo: moiety: It's fine, just maybe try going on the offensive for a change?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: stick it to the man!
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I've actually lost in this chan
moiety: :P
moiety: you know im kidding
BingoBoingo: moiety: I know, but seriously where is your aggression. You were white? Where are the whips?
moiety: oh i thought you thought i was being too agressive
BingoBoingo: moiety: No, It's like you have spent the entire game as an Olympic snowboarder is a green haze.
moiety: sounds good to me....
moiety: i can say it is much easier now i can see the board
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well you have two moves before things becomem hopeless.
moiety: go have another drink
BingoBoingo: moiety: Force me to do something other than end you.
BingoBoingo: shit, I only have 3 inches of Vodka left in this fifth
BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/91SYf9M
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
moiety: h3-g5
BingoBoingo: Bc3+
moiety: omg did you see that http://imgur.com/gallery/1r9nx lol
BingoBoingo: moiety: This is an anti Doge channel. The best Doge thing to come out of here was selling Sochi DOge skins to the slants.
moiety: im not particularly pro doge... really is everywhere is all.
BingoBoingo: moiety: And how can I be racist. I am black. You moved first trying to colonize my half of the board.
moiety: ive never seen anything in the centre of a letter on google results, its bizarre
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: +1 for thinkpad, -999999999 for unity.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Unity on FreeBSD ain't bad though.
moiety: and what did you just do
BingoBoingo: moiety: Bc3+
moiety: :s ness
moiety: nvm
herbijudlestoids: y...youre using unity on fbsd?
herbijudlestoids: okkk
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I won't confirm or deny it. Maybe Open BSD, maybe NetBSD, maybe FreeBSD.
moiety: jeeves** not google
BingoBoingo: Unity is awfully portable though and better than GNOME Shell
BingoBoingo: I also don't much trust that false successor to gnome 2
herbijudlestoids: yea gnome3 stole my heart and then broke it
herbijudlestoids: iv been using xfce since
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Maybe you need an actual substance abuse problem like me. That might bring your mind to sense.
herbijudlestoids: how do you know i dont have one?
BingoBoingo: By substance I mean Bitcoin. An Aristotelian substance.
herbijudlestoids: lel
BingoBoingo: I have had so much and squandered so much.
herbijudlestoids: good save
BingoBoingo: Not a save herbijudlestoids, an actual meaning
BingoBoingo: Actual meaning refering to "is does something"
BingoBoingo: I really dunno what all the Unity hate is over anyways
BingoBoingo: It isn't like it has a niggers.txt file
BingoBoingo: Like gnome shell does
moiety: g5-h3
moiety: sorry trying to change my gpg key and failing
BingoBoingo: moiety: can't do that, you are in check
BingoBoingo: moiety: You have to take, interpose, or move to address my Bishop on c3
moiety: hang on have i moved you to the wrong place
moiety: g2-h3
moiety: c3
moiety: g2-c3
moiety: i meant c3 before as well
BingoBoingo: ? is that a move?
moiety: why not
BingoBoingo: How does your pawn on g2 get to c3?
moiety: g2 has a dude, no it is h3, why am i not allowed that
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete by the way, the circus you see ? this is the house of a free market. that's how one looks, circus-y
moiety: g2-h3
BingoBoingo: moiety: Because you are in check. Your king is in imminent danger. The Bishop on c3 threatens to take it.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids yes i read flaubert.
moiety: i thought bishops can only move diagonally
mircea_popescu: try bouvard & pecuchet sometime
BingoBoingo: You have to kill my Bishop, Block its attack, or evacuate your king
mircea_popescu: it's like... the history of forum finance.
BingoBoingo: moiety: My bishop is attacking your king on a diagonal
moiety: http://i.imgur.com/pc7dZkP.png
herbijudlestoids: hmm mircea_popescu thx i will check it out at the bookstore. any thoughts on madame bovary?
moiety: i see what i did
Duffer1: russians; pretty good at skating, who knew
MisterE: might print up a couple of these if u travel. https://twitter.com/uhf_satcom
MisterE: doh!
moiety: bingo i think he is fucked
BingoBoingo: moiety: You are doing better than truffles. I'm uploading a pic again to sync to http://imgur.com/4P4KaSc
moiety: e1 - f2 and is it not my queen?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids plenty.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: moiety: Your king can do that. I'm going to take a garage cigarette break. Ask yourself if that is the BEST move.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: just out of morbid curiosity, what is wrong with ...xchess, for example?
herbijudlestoids: why must it be played over irc
mircea_popescu: there's a trilema post from back in 2009 where some romanian studying at the sorbonne who dared not like it is excruciated by my readership.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Mostly sloppy coding and weird errors
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: good answer
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: pls link? ill feed it to google translate (assuming its in romani)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Xchess demands on particular font most don't have to work even halfway
mircea_popescu: wtf retarded game of chess is that ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Stallman board version
mircea_popescu: but i mean... o wait, moiety is white huh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00087234 = 2.9223 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Yeah
mircea_popescu: hon you're not very good at this :D
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids http://trilema.com/2009/flaubert-suntem-noi/
mircea_popescu: curious what gt can make out of multi-layered meaning cake a la trilema & its peanut gallery
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: She's prolly ready to beat truffles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00296392 = 2.9639 BTC [-] {12}
moiety: lol nope :D but i will get better mircea_popescu!
herbijudlestoids: o ffs
herbijudlestoids: google translate caught by the subscription page
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It nearly always is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I remember paying half a BTC for trilema credits and losing the cookie, because webchat
BingoBoingo: Trilema is worth it enough though that I keep a hot cookie
moiety: yep e1-f2
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: surely cookie is not the only thing tying trilema to your payment?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It actually is because trilema is built the right way.
BingoBoingo: Nc6
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids anyway, among the commenters corina is the letters dept head of i don't recall which kind at the cluj university, als is a meanwhile deceased faggoty movie critic of great repute, esk is the chick in question and so on
BingoBoingo: Nb-c6
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: pls hold while i rip the text into gt manually
moiety: g1-h7
MisterE: what is this truffles I keep hearing about?
mircea_popescu: MisterE when you bareback a chick with diabethes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087171 = 7.7146 BTC [-]
MisterE: thats perfectly OK
mircea_popescu: no wait. you have the diabethes. she has a yeast infection.
MisterE: oh no
MisterE: Yeast is a no go
BingoBoingo: moiety: You have nothing on g1
moiety: i think im number dyslexic, g5-h7
BingoBoingo: Bd4+
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: here is the translated article. will do comments once iv read http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QTQVnWbt
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids it may surprise you to know i have access to my own articles :D
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: you were curious what the translate looked like?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: He is always curious what right translations look like
mircea_popescu: yeah but i loaded up gt
herbijudlestoids: ah right lol
herbijudlestoids: so far ineligible
moiety: f2-e1 retreaaat
BingoBoingo: right translations of trilema are... challenging though
herbijudlestoids: "Notice how not even offer me eat my own ears"
BingoBoingo: KxNe7
BingoBoingo: *KxNh7
BingoBoingo: I need to drink moar
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: it's a salty circus, which is good because I might actually learn something
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids ineligible means which can't be chosen
mircea_popescu: uninteligible however...
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: yes
moiety: i cant do that BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/fsai0zd.png
moiety: your king is d8 right
mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, inedible = uneatable, indelible = uneraseable.
herbijudlestoids: retarded mircea_popescu i meant illegible.
herbijudlestoids: <-retard
BingoBoingo: moiety: My king was on G8 because castling
BingoBoingo: That 0-0
mircea_popescu: but you're legging it just fine :D
mircea_popescu: لآن الشيء نفسه سوف اهتزت كثيرا، " الفوضى " هي جميع أنواع << this is illegible
herbijudlestoids: haha
moiety: then how are we on the same moves?
herbijudlestoids: Me: see the Latin spoken in cambridge . mo got toothache at one point I roared in the room STOP ! Hammertime !
BingoBoingo: moiety: Last pick I snapped should reveal where my king has been
BingoBoingo: moiety: As would the previous pic
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: please upload a short video of yourself yelling STOP! Hammertime! to youtube.
mircea_popescu: it's a metaphore.
moiety: pics didnt help making moves as theyhad to be in order
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00087171 = 16.1266 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i just excused myself and left.
BingoBoingo: 0.01 BTC reward to the person who can name the Greek who was good at chaos.
moiety: both pics do have something on d8
mircea_popescu: tho i did use to wear a fro
BingoBoingo: moiety: Remember that 0-0 though
moiety: yeah i guessed tha
BingoBoingo: moiety: My queen is still on d8 where it started
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: eris
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Not the clitus I am thinking of
herbijudlestoids: wut!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : Eρις
mircea_popescu: whose name reads just like epic
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: do you actually refer to chaos...
herbijudlestoids: chaos itself was a greek god
BingoBoingo: I was thinking of Heraclitus.
mircea_popescu: goddes
herbijudlestoids: wutttt
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How can a chasm be a god
mircea_popescu: eris was a bitch
BingoBoingo: it is like saying a vagina is a bunch of matter.
herbijudlestoids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_%28mythology%29
ozbot: Eris (mythology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: When the vagina is defined by the lack of matter in its chaos
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I also sought a person rather than a fictional catch all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04660001 = 0.233 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: "For Hesiod and the early Greek Olympian myth (8th century BC), Chaos was the first of the primordial deities, followed by Earth (Gaia), Tartarus and Eros (Love).[16] From Chaos came Erebus and Nyx.[17]"
herbijudlestoids: but i would always answer fnord...i mean eris ...to that question...
BingoBoingo: Yes, from chaos, from her slit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00087283 = 22.7809 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: If I asked for a Dago, supposing a real person Vito Corleone would be under Mussolini every day of the week.
herbijudlestoids: lel
herbijudlestoids: fair enough, i knew the answer only from my reading of the principia discordia...im not actually cultured :P
moiety: i cant find gpg on freenode
herbijudlestoids: moiety: what do you mean? gpg is software...gnupg...
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, remember the chaos isn't the whole cunt, but merely the pleasant absence where the dick goes within the cunt
bitcoinpete: goddesses make me think of Citroens
moiety: in that room herbi, hopefully someone is around soon
herbijudlestoids: moiety: if you need any help with gpg i doubt anyone is more qualified than people in this room :)
herbijudlestoids: what are you trying to do?
moiety: all i want to do is chage my email address
moiety: change
moiety: i try uid bringsuo the key, try deluid tells me to select one
moiety: brings up*
herbijudlestoids: moiety: here you go https://coderwall.com/p/tx_1-g
herbijudlestoids: you dont really need to deluid, just revoke it
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: That is one way BTC beats GPG (and there are few
herbijudlestoids: (with revuid)
moiety: right kk
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: sorry you lost me, in which way does BTC beat GPG?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: In the way that anything *id is mutable until it is confirmed.
herbijudlestoids: yer
moiety: just keeps saying you must select at least ne user id, ive tried typing it in a million different ways
BingoBoingo: This shit Gox is bitching about is a strength
herbijudlestoids: moiety: in which command? gpg --edit-key ? it should just be gpg --edit-key moiety@moiety.moiety
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i prefer democritus to heraclitus but it might be my childhood exposure to him talking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.1221 = 1.4652 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.074 = 0.888 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you heard democritus talking ?
herbijudlestoids: poorly constructed sentence
BingoBoingo: Must be one of those mythical baby boomers
herbijudlestoids: as in, the childhood exposure to democritus is talking to me, and convincing me that i prefer one to the other
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids actually it was fine, it'd have been his talking to be what i pretended it to be. just a little trolling :D
herbijudlestoids: luvz2betrolz
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You up for a game?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i was about to go for long walk to get some dinners
herbijudlestoids: still around in a few hours?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Who knows?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: mm its only 1830. lets play a game, im sure you wont take long to beat me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16951 @ 0.00086989 = 14.7455 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: My game against moiety is still ongooing
herbijudlestoids: ok..well ill ping you later then :)
bitcoinpete: Bon sour, mes amis. It's been a pleasure breaking the ice.
bitcoinpete: soir*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.19376446 = 2.3252 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3799 @ 0.0008672 = 3.2945 BTC [-]
Nick_Fly|2: is anyone here?
mircea_popescu: yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1221 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://www.hulu.com/watch/159193#i0,p0,s10,d0 essential watching before Robocop II
nick_fly: Guys, help me! I'm stuck in Ukraine because of this revolution and I can not go home. But then the border guard offers to give him a bribe and he will miss me. He told that accepts BTC. I know it's sounds like a joke, but tomó it's totally not fun!!! Donate as much as you can.
mircea_popescu: revolution ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00197733 = 0.8898 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
nick_fly: google "maidan ukrain"
cazalla: ukranian eh
cazalla: you know phil leotardo got mistaken for a ukrainia
nick_fly: You are my last hope=(
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Ukraine_is_not_a_Brothel-Maidan-3.jpg
mircea_popescu: check it out, naked chicks.
mircea_popescu: hey, do you know the topless bunch, what's their name
nick_fly: Pussy Riot?
moiety: wth is going on in that pic
nick_fly: I would not come here if not for work. Please! Heeeelp!!!
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's right, pussy riot.
mircea_popescu: moiety a dancer girl is looking for her contacts ?
moiety: mircea_popescu: those guys must have paid for them, they look really pissed of she's lost them
cazalla: dhl
cazalla: el package express
nick_fly: i'm here for 3 days, can't pass the border
mircea_popescu: seems the sort of thing final year performing arts kids would be doing
nick_fly: will anyone help me?
mircea_popescu: nick_fly you know is actually in belarus, right ?
nick_fly: it's proxy
nick_fly: local provider blocks me
mircea_popescu: cause of the revolution ?
nick_fly: ccertainly
moiety: bingo's being kind enough to just restart fresh board. i move d4
nick_fly: when i came here, the first question i have been asked was "going to "EuroMaidan"?
BingoBoingo: 1. d4 d5
nick_fly: mircea_popescu: help pls
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: why did you go there anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
moiety: herbi herbi herbi
moiety: nc3
nick_fly: mircea_popescu: to sign a contract for the supply of water. Does it important?
BingoBoingo: c6
mircea_popescu: not really to me, no. mostly to you.
nick_fly: mircea_popescu: yeah
nick_fly: 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can
mircea_popescu: so who were you signing water supply contracts for /
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: 0.01 BTC for a sharpie in your pooper with Bingo on the left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek
moiety: na4 BingoBoingo
nick_fly: my boss send me here. it's some kind of healing water
BingoBoingo: Nf6 moiety
mircea_popescu: well so then why isn't your boss getting you out ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]
nick_fly: have you ever heard of ever heard of Borjomi?
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: get your boss here it won't be the value I offered you.
nick_fly: he don't care
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15549 @ 0.00087291 = 13.5729 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: BingoBoingo: c4
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: He as you boss could do 5 laundry markers for 0.02 BTC
nick_fly: he don't even know what is BTC
BingoBoingo: Qa5+ moiety
moiety: my thing doesnt register that, what are you meaning
BingoBoingo: moiety: Queen to a5, check
nick_fly: guys, i can't discuss here for a long time. access to the internet here is VERY! expensive to me. Please help ANYONE!!!!!!!
moiety: nvm
nick_fly: 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx as much as you can
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Freedom isn't free.
nick_fly: it's not funny
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Freedom simply means, nothing left to lose
nick_fly: Imagine yourself in my place. IT'S NOT FUNNY!
moiety: bishop - d2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28267 @ 0.00087353 = 24.6921 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2228 @ 0.00012661 = 0.2821 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: Qd8
nick_fly: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: help please
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12772 @ 0.00012023 = 1.5356 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Open your sphincter first
nick_fly: implore you
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: 0.01BTC for a sharpie in your pooper
mircea_popescu: nick_fly apparently some georgian mineral water.
mircea_popescu: never had it myself. is it any good ?
moiety: ev BingoBoingo
moiety: e4*
BingoBoingo: Nxe4
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55000002 = 1.1 BTC [-] {2}
nick_fly: heeey
nick_fly: I left for 7-8 minutes until the end of Internet access. SOMEONE!!!! HELP!!!! AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!! 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: If you want anything you can put a sharpie in your pooper or jump the country fence
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: http://www.hulu.com/watch/159192#i0,p0,s10,d0
mircea_popescu: yeah, kinda lukewarm entertainment value so far.
nick_fly: BingoBoingo: can be seen only from the usa. GUYS.... aaaaaa. heeeeeelp
nick_fly: mircea_popescu: i'vó read about you. i know you can help.
nick_fly: mircea_popescu: i'm not asking as much as openBSD asked. just as much as you can
nick_fly: or as you want
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: You could still get BTC from sharpie in pooper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54540204 = 2.727 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: Great victories only come from great sacrifices... of dignity
MisterE: I wonder if we'll see more miners hedge their bet with fpgas which can be useful for other stuff they can get paid for
nick_fly: the last time - will anyone help me? i can't be here more. please if you have any kindness
nick_fly: 13xPYSqi8q3ywtU4jSVRWNR7dib1e4soKx
mircea_popescu: least likely thing for a miner to hedge with
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: I am offering to pay, but only if you entertain first
nick_fly: how?!?!?!
moiety: BingoBoingo: Ba5
BingoBoingo: moiety: Qxa5+
nick_fly: BingoBoingo: i'll do everything i can. please, ã have to help me
BingoBoingo: nick_fly: I offered a way to help yourself for 0.01 BTC
moiety: BingoBoingo: Ke2
BingoBoingo: Bg4+
moiety: can i keep two emails on one key?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Yeah, but that is the least of details
moiety: i know being destroyed is priority
moiety: ke3
BingoBoingo: Bxd1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.074 = 1.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.1221 = 1.8315 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+]
moiety: you bastard
moiety: she didnt do anything to you
moiety: rxd1
BingoBoingo: Nf6
moiety: Nc5
BingoBoingo: Ng4+
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00087384 = 4.5877 BTC [+]
moiety: kf3
mircea_popescu: those 7-8 minutes lasted a while.
MisterE: why least likely hedge mircea_popescu? That's the fastest tradeoff you get short of asic?
BingoBoingo: Ne5+
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087384 = 8.4762 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0749995 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
moiety: ke2 :(
BingoBoingo: Nxc4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16536 @ 0.00087375 = 14.4483 BTC [-] {2}
KRS-One: btc-e is down, rumors is that it was taken down perm
BingoBoingo: lol
moiety: Nxb7
BingoBoingo: Qxa2
mircea_popescu: MisterE they could (and do) hedge by putting btc on the bitbet diff bets
mircea_popescu: they could (and perhaps to a smaller degree d0) hedge by trading diff futures
mircea_popescu: buying fpgas is not unlike buying taxicabs. not much to do with anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37224 @ 0.00087209 = 32.4627 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: i cant reverse my last one rc1
BingoBoingo: Qxb2+
herbijudlestoids: i haz returned
moiety: kd1
moiety: im still losing!
moiety: wb!
herbijudlestoids: hehe, did you sort out your gpg key?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Qd2++
BingoBoingo: Good game
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You ready for a game?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27405 @ 0.00087105 = 23.8711 BTC [-] {3}
herbijudlestoids: sure, BingoBoingo give me 5 to browse the algebraic notation page for chess
BingoBoingo: K
moiety: ok be honest, how often could you have finished it before BingoBoingo?!
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You prefer white or black?
BingoBoingo: moiety: I doubt he followed too close
moiety: and i did herbi! thanks :D
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: happy to flip on it
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Heads or tails?
moiety: no BingoBoingo i was sking you how much you let we away with lol
herbijudlestoids: heads pls
moiety: asking*
BingoBoingo: ;;coin
gribble: tails
herbijudlestoids: ok i think i understand
herbijudlestoids: pls pull me up on any mistakes re notation
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: tails, I prefer black. Your move.
moiety: was fun with the board that
moiety: :D
herbijudlestoids: e4
BingoBoingo: d6
herbijudlestoids: b3
BingoBoingo: Nf6
herbijudlestoids: Nc3
BingoBoingo: g6
herbijudlestoids: Rb1
BingoBoingo: Bg7
herbijudlestoids: Bc4
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08199 = 0.164 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00087425 = 11.2778 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: 0-0
herbijudlestoids: how do i do the 0-0 on the html board
herbijudlestoids: got it
BingoBoingo: Ke8 to g8 and rook h8 to f8
herbijudlestoids: g4
BingoBoingo: Bxg4
herbijudlestoids: f3
BingoBoingo: e5
herbijudlestoids: xg4
herbijudlestoids: err should be fxg4 i guess sorry
BingoBoingo: Nb-d7
herbijudlestoids: g5
BingoBoingo: Nh5
herbijudlestoids: excuse me, bathroom break
BingoBoingo: fine, smoke break
herbijudlestoids: ok back
herbijudlestoids: d3
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.074 = 1.406 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: what are you doin, growin the tobacco yourself?
BingoBoingo: Nc5
herbijudlestoids: a4
BingoBoingo: a6
herbijudlestoids: b4
BingoBoingo: Ne6
herbijudlestoids: Ne2
BingoBoingo: Nc oe Ng
BingoBoingo: Nc or Ng
herbijudlestoids: Ng
herbijudlestoids: sorry, my bad
BingoBoingo: Nxg5
herbijudlestoids: Rg1
BingoBoingo: Ne6
herbijudlestoids: Nd5
BingoBoingo: Qh4+
herbijudlestoids: Kf2
herbijudlestoids: err Kf1
BingoBoingo: Rf-e8
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0055 = 0.825 BTC
herbijudlestoids: hmmm battle mode
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I hate to push, but you seem to be draggin
herbijudlestoids: Ng3
BingoBoingo: Qh3+
herbijudlestoids: Rg2
BingoBoingo: Ng3+
herbijudlestoids: hxg3
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00087441 = 14.6464 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Qh1+
herbijudlestoids: Rg1
BingoBoingo: Qh3+
herbijudlestoids: Rg2...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.07395238 = 3.106 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: b5
herbijudlestoids: axb5
BingoBoingo: axb5
herbijudlestoids: Bb5
herbijudlestoids: err
herbijudlestoids: Bxb5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2297 @ 0.00012999 = 0.2986 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Qh1+
herbijudlestoids: Rg1...
BingoBoingo: QxNd5
herbijudlestoids: err wut? i got a pawn at e4?
herbijudlestoids: lol it was my first move...
BingoBoingo: Yeah, died long ago
BingoBoingo: Amazing how tiny things affect the board this much
herbijudlestoids: ...
herbijudlestoids: i just grepped for "xe4"
herbijudlestoids: pls paste the line of you taking it?
KRS-One: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 19 hours, 56 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Vexual> its nit even an internet fridge
herbijudlestoids: i thought i had been faithfully replicating each move, if i missed one apologies
herbijudlestoids: but i cant see it in my log
herbijudlestoids: http://imgur.com/AOWiQJt
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You may be right. let me reconcile this position
BingoBoingo: Qh4
herbijudlestoids: are you sure? if you move to Qh4 i take your queen.
BingoBoingo: I might be awfully drunk.
BingoBoingo: I thought e4 was open, I mean
herbijudlestoids: last chance? if you move to Qh5 its much better move against mew
BingoBoingo: Fine, Qh3
herbijudlestoids: LOL
herbijudlestoids: we been through this but ok... Rg2...
BingoBoingo: Nd4
herbijudlestoids: Bc4
BingoBoingo: Qh1+
BingoBoingo: Draw?
herbijudlestoids: lolllll Rg1
herbijudlestoids: wwut!
herbijudlestoids: you bored?
herbijudlestoids: im cracking up grinning here!
BingoBoingo: Qf3+
herbijudlestoids: now were talkin
herbijudlestoids: dunno why you didnt just Qh5 earlier hehe
herbijudlestoids: Ke1
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: pawns have to find the right places
BingoBoingo: QxQ+
herbijudlestoids: Kxd1
BingoBoingo: Nf3
herbijudlestoids: Rf1
BingoBoingo: e4
herbijudlestoids: lel my brother, e4 is not open for you
BingoBoingo: fuck have to audit again
herbijudlestoids: its got one of my pawns in it...i call him firstie...
BingoBoingo: Nd4
herbijudlestoids: http://imgur.com/qsCSca6
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
herbijudlestoids: c3
BingoBoingo: N36
herbijudlestoids: assume you meant Ne6...
herbijudlestoids: Bb5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.08176994 = 0.8177 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04799999 = 0.384 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: This game can end of one of two ways? You up for a draw?
herbijudlestoids: lel im enjoying myself but if for some reason you cbf to play anymore i am ok with it. what do you mean can only end one of two ways? all chess games can only end one of two ways?
herbijudlestoids: are you peering 80 moves into the future or something?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: No, they have three ways to end. This one ends with you winning or you accepting a draw.
BingoBoingo: No way in hell I win this one
herbijudlestoids: HAHA
herbijudlestoids: sure bro
herbijudlestoids: :D
BingoBoingo: That e4 pawn just messed me up.
herbijudlestoids: seems like i enjoy playing tho, so hit me up sometime for a rematch :)
BingoBoingo: Can't believe THAT was the pawn I forgot about.
herbijudlestoids: literally grinning for the entire match
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Anytime
herbijudlestoids: chesscoin
herbijudlestoids: bitchess
herbijudlestoids: hmmm...nope
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: how are you playing these matches? ...i mean are you recording the moves on a board or is this all in your mind or something lol
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I set up a board on the floor. Usually I am good, but your e4 fucked me up.
BingoBoingo: You had the win early though
herbijudlestoids: i just assumed youre a savant playing in your mind
BingoBoingo: Nah, I am a drunk who actually set up a board on my floor
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: usually playing chess off a screen really fucks me up and i suck at it, but i think i like that HTML5 one
BingoBoingo: (in parts of the world having enough floor to do that is extravagant)
herbijudlestoids: haha
herbijudlestoids: also has tempted me to learn HTML5
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00087062 = 21.069 BTC [-]
punkman: extravagant would be having one of those huge outdoors boards and real people for the pieces
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I really dunno anything better though than a 0.02 BTC physical board
herbijudlestoids: punkman: they got those in hyde park in sydney and thats literally the last time i played chess before today
BingoBoingo: punkman: That would have been, but like 1BTC is a fortune nao
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: is hyde park the OZ version of niggers.txt?
herbijudlestoids: yeah i used to have a nice frosted glass board around but it didnt survive several house moves
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: did you know if you google niggers.txt, you shit-talking in log.bitcoin-assets.com is the 3rd result?
punkman: I got a soapstone board, half the pieces have been decapitated
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: of course
herbijudlestoids: earlier tonight i thought of something funny to do with niggers.txt, before i went out, but i forgot it while i was walking :(
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: the thing is nigger.txt is a term of art defined in this channe;
herbijudlestoids: explain for retards?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: There is this thing called watermelon.
BingoBoingo: Everyone of all colors loves it. It is delicious.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: for me, with you, when i say lol, its literal.
BingoBoingo: Noiggers.txt though is a term of art.
herbijudlestoids: lel
BingoBoingo: Imagine Mark Karpales
BingoBoingo: He is moar nigger.tst than Obummer
herbijudlestoids: http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/mtgox_ceo_mark_karpeles.jpg
BingoBoingo: Because those Greek Dago bitches can suck a dick
herbijudlestoids: holy shit, i just pasted that from google without looking at the url...theres actually a buttcoin.org
BingoBoingo: Oh shit, you herbijudlestoids do you know what the original dutch root nikker means?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00086996 = 7.1772 BTC [-] {2}
herbijudlestoids: not specifically
herbijudlestoids: i thought the root was spanish/portugese
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It means ignorant, but because it sounds similar to the latin Negro 'Murica
herbijudlestoids: The variants neger and negar, derive from the Spanish and Portuguese word negro (black), and from the now-pejorative French n?gre (negro). Etymologically, negro, noir, n?gre, and nigger ultimately derive from nigrum, the stem of the Latin niger (black) (pronounced ['ni?er] which, in every other grammatical case, grammatical gender, and grammatical number besides nominative masculine singular, is nigr-, the r is tr
herbijudlestoids: the root is latin, niger == black.
herbijudlestoids: stems to nigrum (male), nigra (female) and from there to italian/french/spanish/portugese
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Latin and german are different root sources
herbijudlestoids: In the Colonial America of 1619, John Rolfe used negars in describing the African slaves shipped to the Virginia colony.[2] Later American English spellings, neger and neggar, prevailed in a northern colony, New York under the Dutch, and in metropolitan Philadelphia's Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities; the African Burial Ground in New York City originally was known by the Dutch name "Begraafplaats van de
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: you could just post a half decent world star hip hop video
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: try this instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VikXdIAQVQo
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: google challange and response. I can't give it an answer
herbijudlestoids: so whats the valid response to the niggers.txt challenge?
herbijudlestoids: < BingoBoingo > niggers.txt
herbijudlestoids: < herbijudlestoids > niggers.txt!
herbijudlestoids: ? :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00087231 = 6.0189 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Maybe ask kakobrekla, he's somalian, like a pirate
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/02/12/nicki_minaj_lookin_ass_video_rapper_sets_her_sights_on_the_male_gaze_mows.html
ozbot: Nicki Minaj “Lookin Ass” video: Rapper sets her sights on the male gaze, mows it down with assau
herbijudlestoids: heres a graph of my ATC miner payouts (per block found by the coinminer.net ATC pool) for the last ...~40h http://imgur.com/FxiLehu
herbijudlestoids: yesterday was getting ~4ATC per block, now ~1.4
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The ATC orderbook
BingoBoingo: M mood might improve especially if 1000 satoshis is broken
BingoBoingo: I mean is this nigger history month or not?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm sorry Abbo
herbijudlestoids: haha
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: orderbook looks pretty much the same as this morning? just one extra offer that has narrowed the spread by 5 satoshi
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: but if it stays under 1000 satoshis the Abbos win
herbijudlestoids: well you guys are the ones with all teh bitcoinz not me...you can clear out all the offers under 1000 by purchasing the 54387 on offer below that price :P
herbijudlestoids: (and hope nobody goes to the bids to sell)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Nothing is official thought until a n00b makes a n00b decision
BingoBoingo: Nothing is worth anything without a credible niggers.txt and a watermelon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.0048 = 0.24 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: hullo ThickAsThieves
herbijudlestoids: looks like the reddit ATC thread got downvoted beyond -4 :(
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: their loss
BingoBoingo: shame, such a think line between altcoin and moon
herbijudlestoids: i own some now ...310 as of the last bloc
BingoBoingo: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md1fbaETqT1reuoazo1_500.jpg
herbijudlestoids: mined teh new fashioned way
BingoBoingo: That bait has orders
BingoBoingo: Spank
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: got a wallet? ill send you one? :D
BingoBoingo: .bait
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: imgur.com/r/gonewild :)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm a bigger fan of the dark chocolate
herbijudlestoids: surely some in there
ThickAsThieves: i haz some ATC now
ThickAsThieves: purchased on the black market
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/CoinedUp/comments/1xsqzq/how_to_add_altcoin_to_listings/
herbijudlestoids: every fuckin night now a mosquito gets in my room
herbijudlestoids: and i gotta kill it before i go to bed lol
herbijudlestoids: sneaky quick fuckers
ThickAsThieves: bugs dont seem to like my blood much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08179995 = 0.409 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: its the noise they make when theyre flying over your ear
herbijudlestoids: drives me insane
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Wait, you can hear bugs?
herbijudlestoids: never heard the mosquito noise BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: how do you not die in Australasia
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I'm nearly deaf
herbijudlestoids: very high pitched whine
herbijudlestoids: which oscillates as they fly around
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I played the tuba for 8+ years and the only casualty was my hearing
herbijudlestoids: usually theyre audible within about 20cm but it sounds like its right in your ear
herbijudlestoids: which 8+ years tho? cant believe you never heard a mosquito in your life
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I haven't heard one since 4th grade
herbijudlestoids: so but you know the noise :P
BingoBoingo: Roughly, can't swear to it though. It has been a while.
herbijudlestoids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_All_Gone_Pete_Tong
ThickAsThieves: "This brings us nicely to possibly the biggest development in the crypto space for some time. The launch of Maxcoin, the cryptocurrency fronted by Max Keiser. "
BingoBoingo: Moar like Maxi coin, has the biggest wings to prevent leakage.
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu ^ for your blacklist: Investing.com, Jan Skoyles
herbijudlestoids: he not here, died of ping timeout
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00086994 = 10.6133 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I am Afro man, running through the forest from the ku klus klan
ThickAsThieves: looks like these guys actually host pools too http://coinex.pw/
ThickAsThieves: pools and exchange
BingoBoingo: If anyone else wan't a tip from the breaking news department, I know the spoiler to Million Dollar Baby!
herbijudlestoids: here is an idea
herbijudlestoids: (if openex.pw had an API)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I kinda has one
BingoBoingo: *it kinds has one
herbijudlestoids: a bot that makes the market in BTC/USD at the 0.5*(ATCdiff/BTCdiff)+0.5*(ATDnextdiff/BTCnextDiff) implied price
herbijudlestoids: even a small amount of BTC, say 0.01 would be able to offer a reasonable bid at say 0.005% off the implied price
herbijudlestoids: just gotta be willing to fund it with some more BTC if someone takes out the bids
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Altcoiners are hoarders
BingoBoingo: You need serious WOT to buy ALTCOIN at 500 Satoshis per
ThickAsThieves: ?
BingoBoingo: This isn't last week when 160 Satoshis was generous
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: herb i think ATC price isnt the lead, it is the follow
herbijudlestoids: so you reckon the risk isnt in someone selling their ATC into the bid but rather hoarders buying up whatever ATC are on the ask?
BingoBoingo: Last week 160 Satoshis per was nearly charity.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Generally they don't buy the exchange's ask because this is Altcoin and they have WOT.
BingoBoingo: They buy at minimal over bids
herbijudlestoids: ok lets assume i have serious WOT, and the bot makes the market on -otc
herbijudlestoids: still same issue?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: So who did you piss off to be so lonely?
herbijudlestoids: lol
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you have serious WOT the bot is at least going to jack you off.
BingoBoingo: (this is why kakobrekla doesn't have couches any moar)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086989 = 3.3056 BTC [-] {2}
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i guess thats the case for ATCUSD but im talking ATCBTC here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1222 = 0.4888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1221 = 0.4884 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00087435 = 2.7979 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: any knowledge about this 42coin? i just noticed it on openex.pw, trading at 145 to the BTC?!
herbijudlestoids: oh right...only 42 coins ever mined
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: it's like a gem of gems
herbijudlestoids: pretty interesting i guess that people actually valued it like that
herbijudlestoids: most of the transactions are for small fractions obviously
herbijudlestoids: but still...why exactly, aside from scarcity is 42coin worth 145 bitcoins?
ThickAsThieves: it's not
herbijudlestoids: well its valued as such by some people who own some BTC
herbijudlestoids: some of a BTC :P
ThickAsThieves: right
herbijudlestoids: so its just a transaction network i guess
herbijudlestoids: coins are already mined, people harvesting transaction fees
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1221 = 0.2442 BTC [-]
davout: what's the reference BTCUSD rate used for options ?
davout: bitcoincharts 24h weighted average iirc
herbijudlestoids: davout: http://mpex.co/faq.html#25
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 579.79
ThickAsThieves: still factoring gox
ThickAsThieves: http://businesstech.co.za/news/banking/53087/standark-bank-throws-out-bitcoin-idea/
ThickAsThieves: “No customers participated in the pilot,” the bank added.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1221 = 0.2442 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/02/fusion-power-not-yet/?cid=co18503444
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24314 @ 0.00087111 = 21.1802 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00087111 = 4.8782 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0818 = 2.045 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5425 = 2.17 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5365 = 1.073 BTC [-] {2}
herbijudlestoids: bed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00087174 = 17.2605 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.0054524 = 0.2235 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00545002 = 0.2889 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30391 @ 0.00087002 = 26.4408 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 204 @ 0.00544903 = 1.1116 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.55 = 2.2 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14195 @ 0.00086967 = 12.345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17855 @ 0.00086963 = 15.5272 BTC [-]
jurov: should the niggers.txt meme get officially recognized on ud
jurov: it originated on 05 December 2013 here by me
jurov: (just for record) :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34478 @ 0.00087195 = 30.0631 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
davout: jurov: you need some meme-DRM
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1789 @ 0.0001345 = 0.2406 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04720001 = 0.5664 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12210001 = 0.8547 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nic-ssh-rootkit.htm
mike_c: oh my. "The current version simply sends the appropriate packets to vulnerable cards and updates them"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0716 = 0.1432 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.0055 = 0.1155 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2002 @ 0.0001345 = 0.2693 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2129 @ 0.00013451 = 0.2864 BTC [+]
deadweasel: asciilifeform: that's a good read, ty.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7000 @ 0.00013452 = 0.9416 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 646.0, Best ask: 649.34, Bid-ask spread: 3.34000, Last trade: 646.0, 24 hour volume: 14026.82715181, 24 hour low: 640.05, 24 hour high: 672.0, 24 hour vwap: 653.799495596
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker --gox
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker --market mtgox
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.805, Best ask: 490.027, Bid-ask spread: 4.22200, Last trade: 491.11, 24 hour volume: 24971.55702147, 24 hour low: 479.923, 24 hour high: 574.99999, 24 hour vwap: 512.87363
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10563 @ 0.00087435 = 9.2358 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00087435 = 12.8529 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.59424026 BTC to 1`662 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.123 = 0.492 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0715 = 0.286 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5272 @ 0.00087302 = 4.6026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20347 @ 0.00087294 = 17.7617 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00087436 = 3.8035 BTC [+] {2}
davout: reddit can be funny somertimes http://i.imgur.com/1n2KSUm.jpg
davout: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12399999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00087441 = 13.0724 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 49 @ 0.0049143 = 0.2408 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02637895 = 0.5276 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 82 @ 0.0033945 = 0.2783 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00087181 = 5.6232 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1311 @ 0.00013725 = 0.1799 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21778 @ 0.00087081 = 18.9645 BTC [-]
benkay: BingoBoingo: how much Satoshi have you collated?
HeySteve: hmm where is mirceau popescu tonight?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00087031 = 39.338 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: http://i.imgur.com/Yplvqe1.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00083553 = 0.1671 BTC [+] {2}
dub: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.07110001 = 0.1422 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Votre Honneur,
mircea_popescu: Je suis
mircea_popescu: Mademoiselle Valérie TAGRO, jeune ivoirienne âgée de 21 ans. Je suis une
mircea_popescu: ancienne lauréate du concours de beauté « Miss Cote D'Ivoire ».
mircea_popescu: Je
mircea_popescu: suis aujourd'hui orpheline et je n'ai plus personne pour m'aider et pour
mircea_popescu: me guider.
mircea_popescu: somehow it sounds even dirtier in french
asciilifeform: gift from the spam gods?
mircea_popescu: yea
HeySteve2: ah, mircea_popescu. I was wondering you had any comment on "Pandacoin PANDA AKA The Asian Doge Coin / Doge 2.0"
mircea_popescu: sounds legit.
HeySteve2: it is due to be launched tomorrow, with lots of love from Doge pump and dumper Wolong
HeySteve2: pre-mine will be a modest 3%
mod6: sad panda
mircea_popescu: HeySteve2 does it have a sarcasm detection mechanism ?
HeySteve2: indeed, but I forgot the best feature. Wolong said he's ready to work with authorities to combat terrorism right in the announce thread
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: what makes you think anyone asked "wolong" anything ?
HeySteve2: well, the coin launched with an open letter from Wolong.
HeySteve2: exciting stuff
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from the Fun With Widgets dept.: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/nic-ssh-rootkit.htm
mircea_popescu: HeySteve2 i tell you i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: guy's not even in the wot.
HeySteve2: shocker
asciilifeform: tldr ver.: drive bus DMA over NIC with diddled ROM.
HeySteve2: well the link is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=460037.0
asciilifeform: fun for the whole family
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform omfg, look, slovenian! kakobrekla has been a bad boy!
mircea_popescu: Well, I would say that it took me approximately 500 man-hours to get to the stage of having a working "shell"
mircea_popescu: this security, that can be breached in 500 hours.
mircea_popescu: feels like we all live in barbie's townhouse.
mircea_popescu: Arrigo Triulzi: The only way would be trusted computing if implemented properly and without the DRM halo which it normally carries.
mircea_popescu: this is not actually correct. the correct way is triangular network designs.
mircea_popescu: much cheaper and definitely practical.
asciilifeform: those 'willing to open their third eye' will see the market for deliberately-minimal HW - e.g. NICs without general-purpose CPUs, etc.
asciilifeform: (wtf does a NIC need a dual-core MIPS?)
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: which ironically will be a major chance for the third world.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how this battle goes over the years. africa, south america and central asia are colonised, because they suck.
mircea_popescu: so they suck colonist cock and try their best.
mircea_popescu: however, by the time they get their tech to the level of making their own lightbulbs and other peripherals
mircea_popescu: well suddenly the ex-colonizers decide the kind of lightbulbs they can make are illegal to use.
mircea_popescu: however, just about at the same time the most important industry of the colonizers, ie silicone processing, has "progressed" past the point of usefulness
mircea_popescu: which opens a door just in time. a brazilian made "ancient" technology nic could command a premium in the marketplace
mircea_popescu: all the while cisco reports quarters of zero sales
mircea_popescu: like it did last q.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: logically we'd expect this producer to get no likes on facebook.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81495 @ 0.0008739 = 71.2185 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 250 @ 0.0055 = 1.375 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5042 @ 0.0008698 = 4.3855 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63758 @ 0.00086877 = 55.391 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: Bitcoin Now Accounts for 10% of Sales at Porn.com
ThickAsThieves: Porn.com sells bitcoins?
benkay: another 2 hour vm provisioning killed because apple kills the wifi card when the display goes off.
benkay: *raaaage*
ThickAsThieves: anyone know what the cool kids use to display custom fonts on websites these days?
davout: benkay: i've never experienced that
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, but it sells very little porn.
mircea_popescu: benkay it does.
mircea_popescu: oops i mean davout it does.
mircea_popescu: chick has a tablet, can't be used for irc because apple has decided it will turn off devices. unless you root the shit you're stuck.
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt6p4bHQjY1qh9l2to1_500.jpg
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah ios sucks, but on a powered laptop or on a desktop the wifi doesn't go just because the display goes off
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: http://sixrevisions.com/css/font-face-guide/ https://www.google.com/fonts
davout: not sure about a laptop that's not plugged to the power
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you run ios on anything but a tablet.
mircea_popescu: then again i guess who the fuck provisions vms from a tablet.
asciilifeform: if there's a widget other than phone/tablet that runs ios, this is news.
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah, irc on a tablet, bad idea, provisioning a vm on a tablet, that's too mainstream
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: you can't even type.
asciilifeform: some people use tablets as 'dumb terminals.'
mircea_popescu: so how do you produce a tilde and three dashes ? you dictate it /
asciilifeform: (with keyboards plugged in)
davout: an ipad is a pretty good reddit terminal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00086857 = 23.7554 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: a like that. kay.
mircea_popescu: how much is an apple kbd, 300 bucks ?
mircea_popescu: (no sarcasmo)
davout: 100 eur last i checked
asciilifeform: takes standard 'bluetooth' kbd
davout: or 80
mircea_popescu: that should work then
davout: yeah, vim on an ipad with your bluetooth keyboard, now *that's* hip
mircea_popescu: seems for all the trouble you could have just had a dildo.
mircea_popescu: fuck me.
mircea_popescu: ok, this is rich : dildo shaped smartphone
mircea_popescu: you can just sit on it at your cafe while wearing a hat
mircea_popescu: and typing on your bluetooth kbd
davout: heh
mircea_popescu: anyone wants to use the phone they can just blow in your as.
asciilifeform: the 'tablet terminal' crap would probably vanish if <1kg laptops with 12+hr batteries were available.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf do you care, you got a car anyway, right ?
davout: asciilifeform: the macbook air gets pretty close
mircea_popescu: i knew this fellow who had his trunk always full. 1-200 loaded laptop batteries/
asciilifeform: not me. but people with certain odd habits (working in cafes, on the shitter, etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: barely anything comes with removable batteries now.
mircea_popescu: apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc.
asciilifeform: depends on the cell chemistry
asciilifeform: Li cell wants to be kept ~70% full at all times, if i recall
asciilifeform: hates cycling; full discharge, even more.
mircea_popescu: didn't it have a memory effect ?
mircea_popescu: an you're supposed to fully draw it ?
asciilifeform: that's NiCD
mircea_popescu: so i guess this answers the q :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00299998 = 0.159 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: Li cell is a scam on the consumer, really. more or less worthless after 2 yrs. or so.
mircea_popescu: "2 years should be enough for anybody"
ThickAsThieves: thanks pankkake, i will also look at your php thing tonight hopefully
mircea_popescu: srsly now... if you've not outgrown your toys in two years it's time for the parents to pack you off for the development specialist. you got issues.
asciilifeform: got a 16 yr. old lappy here.
CheckDavid: <mircea_popescu> apparently the best thing for a battery is for it to be charged, stored a week or two, discharged, recharged etc. <-- what?
CheckDavid: the best thing?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: http://rche.kyushu-u.ac.jp/~hayashi/syumi/lib110s.jpg
asciilifeform: (not mine, but same)
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu, that is with the old batteries
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid well yeah, it emerged in the conversation. this was happening cca 2003 so i guess it checks out.
CheckDavid: oh
benkay: new laptops every year
benkay: classic hedonic treadmill
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looks oddly soviet.
asciilifeform: it's brick-solid.
benkay: "oh and also we added new widgets to the UI and forced a push out to all boxen so here you go now your perfectly serviceable 2 year old device runs at 1/4 speed because ACCELEROMETER-CONNECTED UI WIDGETRY"
asciilifeform: one you learn to type with 8 fingers, it's among the best laptop kbds.
mircea_popescu: benkay heh who the fuck runs original os ontheir laptop.
asciilifeform: afaik, among the last laptops made in japan
benkay: mircea_popescu: us derpy web and interaction engineers
benkay: "engineers"
mircea_popescu: well fuck them then.
davout: mircea_popescu: i do, because saint jobs willed it that way
mircea_popescu: well fuck you then.
kakobrekla: evenin
benkay: i'm pretty sure my environment's attitude to me is "fuck you" anyways.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00086847 = 16.7615 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay it's what i'm sayin' :)
asciilifeform: also among the last laptops without built-in wireless or ethernet.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla why did you break the nice guy's firewall ?
kakobrekla: heh yeah, thats old by now.
mircea_popescu: for shame.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.003 = 0.9 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay speaking of the ui bs, ubuntu did the exact thing with its v12
benkay: mircea_popescu: some day this year we'll be able to afford an office
benkay: some day shortly after that i'm ditching laptops as a 'work' machine.
mircea_popescu: and yes i tell you, desktops are the best tops.
benkay: yeah
asciilifeform: laptops are not used 'from a good life.'
benkay: although babes want to consume television in various places around the house
kakobrekla: since when is this page up?
kakobrekla: http://alphatesters.secretbitcoinproject.com/
ozbot: Secret Bitcoin Project - Come see.
benkay: i might just mandate that television watching happens on that thing in the corner.
Apocalyptic: heh
kakobrekla: FUKKEN LAZERZ
davout: oh this...
kakobrekla: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> ITS SO FUCKIN SEKRIT WE DONT HAVE DEVS YET <<< lmao
kakobrekla: is true
kakobrekla: sez I'm hiring devs & a designer. Email me at jobs@secretbitcoinproject. on top
mircea_popescu: well i guess they owe you one then for advertising their shitty gem ?
kakobrekla: "i cant tell you what it is, you want to work on in?" "yes."
davout: kakobrekla: leave your e-mail, you'll be invited to put him in touch with devs
mircea_popescu: funny how people just rehash the same old scams. so bitcoin investment gems run dry ? it's okay, make doge, the altchain investment gem
mircea_popescu: it doesn't take money, lives off your redditardation.
mircea_popescu: now they have the same principle applied to hiring.
mircea_popescu: basically everythning the western world is capable of making anymore is powered by mass curiosity, boredom, fear, generally emotions.
mircea_popescu: we're reduced to an emotions mill. the only power we can still harness.
mircea_popescu: forget fire and waterfall.
benkay: fire and waterfall?
mircea_popescu: yes. fire and waterfall, the original things that europe used to fuck over the entire rest of the world.
benkay: waterfall as in 'software mgmt'?
benkay: wtf are you on about
mircea_popescu: no dude, as in water falling
kakobrekla: lolz
davout: lel
kakobrekla: hahaha
mircea_popescu: this was pretty good
assbot: Last 25 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1614967/plain/)
kakobrekla: !b 25
benkay: the depths of my ignorance...
mircea_popescu: you know, originally it went like fire -> metalworking -big jump-> firearms
mircea_popescu: waterfalling -> mills -big jump-> steam power
benkay: yeah i got there eventually
kakobrekla: waterfalling -> put off the fire -> metalworking with cold metal
mircea_popescu: both the big jumps are simply switching to a different, more powerful, cheaper, easier to deploy aspect of the same principle
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla heretic
kakobrekla: :>
kakobrekla: bbl
benkay: is it so surprising, though mircea_popescu? the us is the land of 'get rich quick accidentally'. people don't understand the world at all, so anything mysterious might make them rich as they don't understand things to begin with.
mircea_popescu: it didn't use to be.
benkay: long long time ago
benkay: "i can still remember when/the us used to get shit done"
benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAsV5-Hv-7U#t=8
ozbot: Don McLean- American Pie (with Lyrics) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: i liked the madonna version.
mircea_popescu: am i evil ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00086742 = 41.9831 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: oh god
benkay: so america
benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQVieEO6GuU
ozbot: Madonna - American Pie - YouTube
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: http://coinbits.com/2013/02/04/stage-n-bitcoin-exists-pe-trilema-un-blog-de-mircea-popescu/
ozbot: Stage n: Bitcoin exists. pe Trilema – Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | Bitcoin News Bits - CoinBits.co
mircea_popescu: check out these fuckwits. "here's a scathing mp article we stole. would you like to buy ripples now ?"
mike_c: that link redirected me to some scam site..
asciilifeform: they lifted some turd from my site a while ago, too
mike_c: who are these people betting 20 satoshis on JD? how is that fun?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0054 = 0.162 BTC [-]
mike_c: he won 1 satoshi. he'll be rich soon.
mike_c: https://just-dice.com/roll/628591801
Apocalyptic: hey mike_c, working on the JD investment analysis ?
mike_c: yeah.
mircea_popescu: mike_c maybe testing the randomness ?
mircea_popescu: or maybe just you know, the bottom of a monte carlo.
asciilifeform: haha, anybody run 'dieharder' on JD/SD/etc. ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c might.
mircea_popescu: hey mike, you know diehard/er ?
asciilifeform: to the victor go the spoils.
mike_c: if i don't publish anything you'll know what the results were :)
mircea_popescu: lolwut ?
mike_c: you'll know it's not so random.
Apocalyptic: heh
Apocalyptic: and we'll know that you're slowly drying out the investment pool
mircea_popescu: why would you not publish if it came out rotten ?!
mircea_popescu: o hahaha
Apocalyptic: cuz he be stealin yo
mircea_popescu: i have my slow moments
asciilifeform: well, taking the whole piggy home is a kind of 'publish.'
mircea_popescu: i put a lookout for the "mysterious m_c player emptied jd bank" threads
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, that's why he would have to do it wisely and blame good luck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3200 @ 0.00016999 = 0.544 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: see 'The Eudaemonic Pie.'
asciilifeform: always seemed to be like 'provably fair' dice is inherently at odds with sane rng.
mircea_popescu: fun twist : http://trilema.com/2011/earth-hour-s-o-facem-lata/ back in march 2011 i got pissed off at earth hour and declared i will plug everything i nthe house and make my vid card go 100% just so!
asciilifeform: that is, you're stuck with prng.
mircea_popescu: then a few months later i got the gift of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: and i never had to do this since.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how you reason ?
asciilifeform: well, the whole concept, as i understand, is based on using a prng and disclosing seeds periodically.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but inasmuch as you rely in any fashion on blockchain generated numbers
asciilifeform: when using a trng, there is no way to mechanically prove that you are doing so
mircea_popescu: they're an actual rng
asciilifeform: any rng where a planet full of bozos contributes to the state is arguably questionable
mircea_popescu: no question
mircea_popescu: but questionable or not it is still a rng
asciilifeform: sort of like if a casino let the crowd piss on the roulette wheel.
mircea_popescu: yes but see
mircea_popescu: once you have an actual rng, there's tricks to fix it
mircea_popescu: like the coin flip etc
asciilifeform: this only works against 'natural' bias.
mircea_popescu: but planet full of bozos...well...
mircea_popescu: a good approximation of nature, at the very least
pankkake: mircea_popescu did it in Romanian, pankkake did it in French http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2011/03/26/lheure-de-la-terre/
mircea_popescu: pankkake together with our powers combined we are
mircea_popescu: SERGEANT BITCOIN!
pankkake: capitaine planète !
mircea_popescu: fucking hell same day too.
mircea_popescu: Pour manifester mon soutien à cette initiative trop peu médiatisée, j’ai éteint à 20h30 les deux ampoules à LED qui m’éclairaient.
mircea_popescu: Puis j’ai mis en route un sèche-linge, deux plaques électriques, et un emerge -u1avDN world, le tout en musique grâce à un ampli à tubes. Comme il faisait un peu noir j’ai allumé les 8 ampoules halogènes qui étaient à ma disposition. Et comme il faisait un peu chaud avec tout ça, j’ai ouvert la porte de mon réfrigérateur.
mircea_popescu: win.
asciilifeform: (actual scene from that dreadful show)
pankkake: anyway, those things don't reduce electrical consumption and just create more problems for power plants :p
mircea_popescu: pankkake yep.
mircea_popescu: the best part to my taste is this :?
pankkake: so we saved the word
pankkake: world
mircea_popescu: the coal burning power plants release X mercury into atmosphere as part of their working.
mircea_popescu: ceteris paribus the halogen lamps reduce this to about .4 X
mircea_popescu: however they contain between .7 X and 2.2 X mercury in themselves.
mircea_popescu: so you know, instead of having that thing settle somewhere in the desert, it simply got moved in your kitchen.
mircea_popescu: this is the whole of the progress involved.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're thinking of 'fluorescent' tube, rather than halogen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes
benkay: think also of all the energy recoverable from the mass headed towards the landfill
mircea_popescu: the philips shits
asciilifeform: holy trio, 'expensive/shoddy/deadly'
asciilifeform: of envirowhinerism.
mircea_popescu: http://zeiss-campus.magnet.fsu.edu/articles/lightsources/images/mercurylampsfigure1.jpg
mircea_popescu: actually... you know.
asciilifeform: FL isn't a hg arc lamp, the 'fluorescent' refers to the inner coating of the bulb, well, fluorescing.
asciilifeform: you can get pretty much any spectrum you want (other than blackbody) - just buy the right rare earths.
mircea_popescu: http://zeiss-campus.magnet.fsu.edu/articles/lightsources/mercuryarc.html a good article overall
ozbot: ZEISS Microscopy Online Campus | Mercury Arc Lamps
asciilifeform: hg arc is typically found in high-end microscopes, etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, this is the thing : http://www.edisontechcenter.org/lighting/mercVapor/MercGlowDiagram.jpg
pankkake: overall I like the halogen replacements. they definitely are not low consumption but they seem to last longer
benkay: i'm a huge fan of the pot lights
benkay: we installed one in a shop of mine once
davout: pankkake: haha i remember reading this article a while ago, awsum
benkay: we'd work until 8, 9 pm before realizing it was dark outside
benkay: shitloads of flux, tuned for summer spectrum
pankkake: ideally I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day
benkay: made me so dang happy!
benkay: had so much energy, it was amazing.
pankkake: like http://jonls.dk/redshift/
asciilifeform: pankkake: I'd have the lights follow the cycle of day << submarine?
asciilifeform: or so i recall
benkay: pankkake: i want to sleep in a completely-blacked out room that spins up the lights with the daylight.
benkay: that's the kind of home remodeling i can get into...
ThickAsThieves: "Is there anything the Bitcoin Foundation can do to help solve this problem?"
mircea_popescu: maybe we could all get submarines
mircea_popescu: with hashing
ThickAsThieves: Karpeles: "The Bitcoin Foundation has hired Bitcoin Developers for the purpose of promoting Bitcoin use. I guess the most puzzling part is why this issue hasn’t be[en] solved since 2011."
davout: http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-bitcoins-stolen-unknown-amount/ <<<< so much win
ozbot: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen : ~4474.26BTC | Deep Dot Web
mircea_popescu: yeah it was up like two weeks
Duffer1: who could have seen that coming
Duffer1: :/
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "because they were saving it so karpeles could offer a "credible" lie as to why his well known fractional reserve scam blew open" ?
asciilifeform: seacoin.
mircea_popescu: funny tho, he couldn't find investors fast enough.
mircea_popescu: then the investors who he did find that didn't heed my "you will be butchered" warning got their fingers caught.
mircea_popescu: so much sadness everywhere.
ThickAsThieves: "First off, Facebook says that San Francisco residents have the smallest chance of getting into a relationship among people in any of the 50 largest American cities."
asciilifeform: http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/01/05/bank-zachodni-wbk-cashing-out-bitcoin-through-prepaid-visa-cards/
ozbot: Bank Zachodni WBK – Cashing out Bitcoin through Prepaid VISA Cards | Deep Dot Web
ThickAsThieves: lol
asciilifeform: at some point these folks will grow brains
asciilifeform: and do it right.
Duffer1: "Our initial investigations indicate that a vendor exploited a recently discovered vulnerability in the Bitcoin protocol known as “transaction malleability” to repeatedly withdraw coins from our system until it was completely empty."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... not these folks. but maybe some other folks.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 "recently discovered in 2011" lolz.
mircea_popescu: trace that "vendor", it's them.
mircea_popescu: perfect excuse to the "we run off with teh coin" thing. much better than the used up "we were haxed" workhorse.
Duffer1: yea that's my thoughts
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess it's time for a mtgox burial article.
jborkl: if you can not trust your two week old internet drug dealer-- what is next?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086705 = 3.2948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9233 @ 0.0008694 = 8.0272 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11567 @ 0.00087372 = 10.1063 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04716666 = 0.283 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: pretty astonishing number of coins hitting these mktplacen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00087343 = 9.6951 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 71 @ 0.04614534 = 3.2763 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (551 shares, 3.03050000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (29503 shares, 162.26650000 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.0472 = 2.3128 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay i have my doubts 4k btc found their way to said dubious sr thing.
mircea_popescu: basically you have two unreconciliable "realities", and only one is real.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'strategic...' piece: DMA is an artifact from single-cpu days.
mircea_popescu: so it is
mircea_popescu: back then it was safe.
asciilifeform: solves the problem of 'how do i throw bits out (say,) the DAC, at X kHZ, regardless of what load OS is grunting under.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00087475 = 24.5367 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04896982 = 0.9794 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04870569 = 0.5845 BTC [-] {4}
bloctoc: I wonder how long it will take for the phrase "Silk Road" to replace the word "Al Quaida" as American Press' most feared thingy.
asciilifeform: nah, they'll just say 'wreckers' (or some suitably anglicised equivalent) and be done with it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2013#1764 since im digging up the logs☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00295642 = 1.1826 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever happened?
mircea_popescu: what ?
asciilifeform: 'a "good enough" clone that meets the basic criterion of "not being an outright scam'...
asciilifeform: or wrong link?
mircea_popescu: well not afaik
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04896983 = 1.0773 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the problem with both of those being that they're not engineering terms.
mircea_popescu: ie, the appearance and the reality easily cleaves (a word is an engineering term if appearance and reality never cleave)
asciilifeform: true.
mircea_popescu: and the criterion is attached to the reality rather than the appearance.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00282401 = 1.6944 BTC [-] {12}
asciilifeform: question should've been more specific: 'what if' a 'soviet clone' of mpex, that is, one which bows in agreement to all of the technical decisions.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 907 @ 0.00040763 = 0.3697 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.04896984 = 1.4201 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: although at the time i asked this question, i was not fully aware of the 'birdlessness' of the field.
asciilifeform: ('in the birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale')
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: so... why not ?
mircea_popescu: because it's hard.
asciilifeform: right.
mircea_popescu: could a soviet soldier be replaced by any other man ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.04897985 = 0.8327 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sure, just as soon as that other man is willing to eat dog.
mircea_popescu: it's not hard in a technological sense, that's the easy part (even if it's what the emotion mill people seem to stumble over)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.002803 = 2.803 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.04898712 = 1.7635 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: kind of what we're doing here, for that matter. trying to breed the sort of people that can compete with mpex.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04999993 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0262 = 0.2358 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00279843 = 8.3953 BTC [-] {7}
asciilifeform: re: DMA: it, in itself, is not the problem. the problem, as always, is in the 'mouse-breeding kitchen' of the PC arch. in general.
ThickAsThieves: "We do respect your answer to this thread, but we do not like that you emidialty put your label "scammy" on our project."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 168 @ 0.04999994 = 8.4 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: does it ever stop?
Duffer1: nevermind
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999995 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00039095 = 0.7819 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.04999995 = 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999995 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 58 @ 0.0055 = 0.319 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.00038105 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999995 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7654 @ 0.00087297 = 6.6817 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00087067 = 19.9819 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 124 @ 0.04999996 = 6.2 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999996 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.0756925 = 0.6055 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.04999996 = 1.55 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 243 @ 0.002798 = 0.6799 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05500014 = 0.275 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: DMA is also not really confined to PC arch; there's the fact that all recent (20 yrs. or so) DRAM works best in 'burst mode'
asciilifeform: that is, addr is clocked in, and auto-incremented for N cycles
asciilifeform: since a 'von-neumann style' cpu cannot guarantee 'paying attention' for a sufficiently-large N of cycles, we get dma.
asciilifeform: to understand 'burst', see any sdram datasheet, e.g. http://download.micron.com/pdf/datasheets/dram/sdram/512MbSDRAM.pdf
asciilifeform: i mention this in the hope of making it clear how pervasive the architectural problem mentioned in MP's piece is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.0818 = 0.409 BTC [+]
benkay: much informative!
benkay: big problem.
asciilifeform: that is, not the fact of dma being satanic in and of itself (it isn't), but just how thoroughly hardware designers are enslaved by architectural oddness beyond their control.
asciilifeform: e.g. support PCI or die, support consumer SDRAM sticks or die, etc.
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu lawsky wants you to write more blogs to tell him how to make the bitlicense regulations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhIZd9b2-Qs#t=697
mircea_popescu: can i has summary ?
asciilifeform: virtually no one gets to 'design a computer' now. (not apple, either.) they get to glue the same old crap together in mildly-different ways.
ThickAsThieves: it's long...
ThickAsThieves: about 11min he starts saying that
ThickAsThieves: and then gives some examples of things he's considering
asciilifeform: if fpga with published internal specs existed (as it did in 1994, say) but of modern proportions, this could change.
Duffer1: "think of it as open-source code regulation"
asciilifeform: (see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-12-2013#432845 and below)☝︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0698 = 0.349 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg5113566#msg5113566
ozbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right?
kakobrekla: zomg wtf is this some new levels of sarcasm i dont get?=!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18771 @ 0.00086941 = 16.3197 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/
ozbot: MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history - the straight dope. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: rassah is back ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 580 @ 0.0001734 = 0.1006 BTC [+] {9}
kakobrekla: what is this article about, anyway.
kakobrekla: take a look
kakobrekla: http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2013-05-31/0531_gigaOM_630x354.jpg
kakobrekla: scissors and tape
kakobrekla: mtgox - making collages since bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1426 @ 0.00017948 = 0.2559 BTC [+] {7}
decimation: ascii - in your article the interviewer proposes fixing the diddled NIC with a TPM chip - lel
kakobrekla: is this rassah some idiot i forgot about?
decimation: need a TPM in my mouse
decimation: And a TPM in my TPM
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well old timer, was really excited when btc broke 30, posted a story on forum about how he bought btc w/o his partner's knowledge out of their savbings, then sold out and bought a car
mircea_popescu: for great profit
mircea_popescu: but then as btc exploded i kind-of lost track
mircea_popescu: karpeles looks like he's writing php
kakobrekla: bought a fucking car. why does this ring a bell.
mircea_popescu: because people. and cars.
mircea_popescu: hey k: Advance Domain Availability Notice:You may be interested in joshzerlan.com, which will be available by auction soon.
kakobrekla: i got taht shit too.
kakobrekla: well done!
mircea_popescu: they're srsly handspamming us ?
kakobrekla: i have no other explanation
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-conference-nobody-went-to/ << 2012 stuff. "10% return on my S.MPOE trade today yesss 4.5 BTC" ; "It was a once in a lifetime opportunity I bought all that was available below 36000"
ozbot: The Bitcoin Conference Nobody Went To pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mod6: mp: nice write up on gox
mircea_popescu: mod6 im sure it'll be all the rage on reddit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21363 @ 0.00086705 = 18.5228 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0053534 = 0.5353 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2585 @ 0.00017998 = 0.4652 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: lol one guy in r/mtgox was just trying to buy someones account
mod6: http://www.reddit.com/r/MtGox/comments/1xu56k/does_anyone_want_to_sell_me_there_mt_gox_account/
ozbot: Does anyone want to sell me there MT Gox account ? : MtGox
mod6: kids these days..
Bugpowder: Thinknig of making some more money on S.MPOE... just need to get the new key working with pyMPEX
mircea_popescu: mod6 link him to the earlier discussion here ?
mod6: Bug: should just be able to add the new key to your keyring and then grab the latest version
mod6: if it's got this line: self._mpex_fingerprint = 'A57D509A' [ you should be ok ]
mod6: mircea_popescu: ahh, I would, don't have reddit acct.
mod6: maybe I can just make an anon comment? /me tries
mircea_popescu: mod6 that's their curse, nobody with a clue has accounts
mircea_popescu: eh let it be, makes no diff.
mod6: ahh, ok.
mike_c: Bugpowder: have you seen herbi's charts? I think he decided if you see between 7 and 9 downward ticks you buy immediately for fast profits!
mod6: lol "Moderators: MagicalTux" :: He'd prolly just delete the post.
Bugpowder: I'll give it a try again. I have a bit of an issue because I use a sub key for my own key and need to specify it directly in the pyMPEX script.
mod6: ahh
mircea_popescu: mod6 i doubt he has the time for anything these days.
mod6: too busy programming strange things in php
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder how did that hk thing work in the end ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0053138 = 0.2497 BTC [-] {6}
Bugpowder: China spread collapsed before we could set it up
Bugpowder: but it was good to talk to a good lawyer team about bitcoin financial issues
mircea_popescu: spreads will rise again.
BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xufu4/mtgox_and_ancient_bitcoin_history/
ozbot: MtGox and ancient Bitcoin history : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: lol stealth
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only thing one can say about 2014 btc/fiat is "spreads"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 723 @ 0.00018181 = 0.1314 BTC [+] {3}
herbijudlestoids: hullo ladies/gents
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 912 @ 0.00018219 = 0.1662 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: Add to the very narrow margins and very active competition the burden of regulatory infringement. Money changers are spending as it is now literally immense sums (in Bitcoin terms) to try and mostly comply with obscure and convoluted regulation, which they can’t avoid or ignore because they’re always stuck with one foot in fiat. In exchange for this draining expenditure they are receiving nothing at all, certainly
mircea_popescu: not the protection of their etatist overlords.
mircea_popescu: They’re not in fact receiving as much as recognition of status or effort, they find themselves in the untenable position of a poor immigrant who is spending all his wages and borrowing at unbearable, immigrant-ghetto rates to buy flowers and wine for some local beauty who barely even registers their desperation or even presence.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/
ozbot: Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: god i wish i was a girl so i could fuck myself.
KRS-One: i would fondle my boobies.
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjv54XLIw1qd33kzo1_500.jpg
KRS-One: pfft
KRS-One: .bait
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54 = 1.62 BTC [-]
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28dw85scM1qducgxo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: what pff, you discriminate against onelegged women ?
herbijudlestoids: last night i put 10ATC onto openex in a cascade limit
imsaguy: hi
herbijudlestoids: just to see what would happen
KRS-One: I demand a certain quality of bait.
herbijudlestoids: all the way down to 1 satoshi over the highest bid
mircea_popescu: imsaguy ello
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so what happened ?
imsaguy: ltns
herbijudlestoids: went to the bathroom and someone had cleared about 5.25 out
herbijudlestoids: by the time igot back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: at 600 ?!
herbijudlestoids: no
herbijudlestoids: from 201 to 275
herbijudlestoids: i had it in 0.125 and 0.5ATC increments
mircea_popescu: herbi, how would you like to be my atc daytrader on openex ?
herbijudlestoids: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 70909 @ 0.00019548 = 13.8613 BTC [+] {37}
herbijudlestoids: will you send me some BTC to actually limit bid the market?
herbijudlestoids: or do i have to take some ATC hits to generate my own BTC to limit the market
mircea_popescu: no, ima send you some atc.
Bugpowder: Is ATC listed on cryptsy yet?
herbijudlestoids: yea well its kinda fuckin hard to be a successful daytrader in a 0 liquidity market :P
pankkake: what, under 500 satoshi?! I should have sold all my stuff to jurov!
herbijudlestoids: unless i have the fund to make my own market
mircea_popescu: if it's hard when it's easy then it's hard permanently.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1408 @ 0.00019999 = 0.2816 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder nah, i don't think we like cryptsy.
mircea_popescu: actually, do we like crypsy ?
herbijudlestoids: i dun think we do
KRS-One: i think crypsy sucks ass
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you're the scamspert, do you like cryptsy ?
herbijudlestoids: certainly not the xchange iv been hearing ThickAsThieves talking about
herbijudlestoids: hes mentioning other ones iirc
KRS-One: LOL scamspert
pankkake: I use cryptsy… but it's so broken
mircea_popescu: mkay then. we don't like cryptsy.
jurov: pankkake :>
pankkake: auto sell doesn't work anymore
mircea_popescu: pankkake heretic
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> Bugpowder nah, i don't think we like cryptsy. // we certainly don't
pankkake: so I am forced to use that horrible interface
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so you game or what ?
pankkake: I guess I could use btc-e for what I do (sell primecoin)
Bugpowder: I like cryptsy's order matching
mike_c: mircea_popescu: the "vendor expoliting tx malleability until our wallet was empty" was the silk road excuse, not the mtgox excuse i believe
Bugpowder: it's so brillian
pankkake: because it's buggy? :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 40417 @ 0.00021994 = 8.8893 BTC [+] {25}
mircea_popescu: mike_c :)
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1615275/
ozbot: dpaste: #1615275
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: like i said. the market has no liquidity, which makes the only game in town worth playing, making markets. if i cant make on both sides of the book, then its basically me just selling ATC arbitrarily, or i gotta take some initial losses to generate BTC from ATC sales and use those small amount of BTC to make the bids
mike_c: hehe
mike_c: ok
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 23125 @ 0.000257 = 5.9431 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you're the scamspert, do you like cryptsy ? <<<< i dont know any of the people doing any of em, but this morning i inquired with all of them
mircea_popescu: see Jere_Jones people have a lot of trouble stepping outside of the environment they perceive as familiar and thus imagine safe.
herbijudlestoids: we arent talking about an exchange running asset class where there is intraday vol
herbijudlestoids: so its not as if there is some vol to scalp
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you familiar with the concept that he who can't make a sharpened stick can't make an airplane or anything else ?
kakobrekla: he who can make a shapened stick can make a buttcoin
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla anywhere he wants :D
mircea_popescu: you know the joke ?
herbijudlestoids: not specifically
mircea_popescu: guy goes to brothel, asks for most expensive dame
mircea_popescu: they bring him a $250 a number chick
mircea_popescu: he's like im not looking to spend less than 10k
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1779 @ 0.000257 = 0.4572 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so he leaves. goes to next brothel.
mircea_popescu: they being tipped off pretend like the fee is 10k.
mircea_popescu: guy follows gal in the room, she sprawls herself on bed, "Honey what'd you like ? cunt ? assgole ?"
mircea_popescu: the asshole's laying out some shit from his case onto a small table
mircea_popescu: "babe, for 10k i make my own holes"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025677 = 0.2568 BTC [-] {2}
herbijudlestoids: haha
mircea_popescu: sooo... anyone with a sharpened stick can make his own buttcoin
mircea_popescu: anywhere he wants.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00298145 = 0.2981 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
ThickAsThieves: mp wants his troops trained before the battle
ThickAsThieves: brazzers/pornhub taking btc now
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves generally, if you live in a town where people have the right to bear arms, it's better to live in the one where people actually know how to use arms.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
mircea_popescu: this i guess is somewhat counterintuitive
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i get the joke, its amusing. but i am not sure why you feel what im saying is an indication of trouble for me stepping outside my comfort zone
herbijudlestoids: i dont mind playing in new markets, but all businesses should be appropriately capitalised
mircea_popescu: the thinking is like this : it's a bare market.
mircea_popescu: any dangers, inconveniences and issues you face, anyone else also faces.
herbijudlestoids: no
mircea_popescu: sure, someone could show up with a 100 btc wallet and beat you into a pulp.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00025 = 0.25 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: plus if you mm there, i'll have someone to play with!
mircea_popescu: why would they throw 100 btc on atc ?
herbijudlestoids: i face one extra risk that say, you, dont
mircea_popescu: you're immune from it for a very soft yet very strong reason
herbijudlestoids: they are potentially not undercapitalised
mircea_popescu: so this is exactly it : you perceive safety in banality.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8592 @ 0.00086736 = 7.4524 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it is illusory. and it blinds you to the actual safety in barren lands
decimation: As I grow older I've learned to perceive danger in banality
mircea_popescu: decimation you got at least a decade on him
decimation: heh yeah I'm almost 35
mircea_popescu: maybe not then
decimation: I'm an old man at heart
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids this dovetails neatly into an older saying of mine, re the sailor being required to sail the boat in any wind.
herbijudlestoids: got a skype meeting, back soon
decimation: prediction: there will be an operating legal BTC exchange in the US within 2 years
mircea_popescu: that's a sailor. people who can sail a boat in some circumstances are sail management technicians or w.e
mircea_popescu: decimation that'd be the optimistic view as to the us' future.
decimation: like pot, the civil servants who run the states can smell the tax revenue
decimation: I know, but I'm contrary while I'm contrary
mircea_popescu: im not sayin' it's unlikely or anything, perfectly possible.
decimation: new york seems really serious about this bitlicense deal
mircea_popescu: the us turning into a sort of continent sized syria is however also quite possible.
decimation: Of course it would with all kinds of AML KYC rules but that's obvious
mircea_popescu: the only sane way to do that would be making a state agency which handles the aml kyc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02636138 = 0.2636 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you get the license, the customer applies with the agency. you get the ok, you are legally immune
davout: mircea_popescu: why is that?
mircea_popescu: because you don't wish to be involved with or responsible of law enforcing.
mircea_popescu: you're a businessman not a policeman. let the policemen do their job.
decimation: If I'm right, then the next leg up on the BTC/USD is going to happen when the trillions of $ in retirement accounts start washing into BTC; via Gresham's law
mircea_popescu: what trillions ?
Apocalyptic: the trillions they see on their balance :)
davout: that how it works though, and it's the sad state of affairs where if you have any sort of financial license you *are* required to monitor activity, and pretty much be the police
mircea_popescu: :)
Apocalyptic: not that it's real money or anything
mircea_popescu: davout so that's what new york may offer to convince me to ok their license bs :
davout: there's no such thing as a "ok you're kosher" kind of stamp
benkay: leave those jurisdictions, then.
mircea_popescu: if they take back enforcing, we can talk.
mircea_popescu: if they don't... there's nothing on the table.
mircea_popescu: i mnean sure, they can continue talking to the scammers and be scammed till they're happy and had enough.
Apocalyptic: davout, reminds me of your model actually
davout: mircea_popescu: what is it you said once about one party of a deal saying "that's the way it's gonna be" again ?
Apocalyptic: when essentially LW is the policemen and in charge of validating clients
davout: Apocalyptic: howso?
Apocalyptic: you stick to the btc stuff
mircea_popescu: davout aha ?
decimation: http://www.ici.org/pressroom/news/ret_10_q4
decimation: Total U.S. retirement assets were $17.5 trillion as of December 31, 2010, up 5.2 percent in the fourth quarter of 2010 and up 9.1 percent for the year.
ozbot: ICI - Retirement Assets Total $17.5 Trillion in Fourth Quarter 2010
davout: Apocalyptic: yup, they be the police, i don't want to touch that with a ten foot pole
decimation: Of course, many of these assets are "invested" in stocks, run by bandits who pump & dump the price
mircea_popescu: i see your ici and i raise you a trilema :
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00023899 = 0.239 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.0008693 = 29.9039 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;google Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap
gribble: BitBet, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-march-2013-statement/>; Politica si Prostie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/politica-si-prostie/>; Thanks to Government, Banks Treat You Like Crap and Spy on You: <http://freedomandprosperity.org/2014/blog/big-government/thanks-to-government- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: derp. omfg google you betray me so.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/ < there. see the pic.
ozbot: Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 727 @ 0.00024028 = 0.1747 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 32 @ 0.0055 = 0.176 BTC
decimation: on the other hand, the idea of a bitcoin retirement 'fund' is retarded
decimation: why should some third party keep your keys because the gov't says?
decimation: it seems a different matter than a third party keeping your gold, for instance
mircea_popescu: only if you're looking for them to invest for you
mircea_popescu: otherwise you keep the btc
davout: Apocalyptic: just FTR LW has access to your EUR data, they have zero access to your BTC history and activity
decimation: yeah, but the way it works in the us is that you must have a custodian for your retirement account (tax free accrual)
Apocalyptic: davout, could they get it upon request ?
decimation: I guess this stems from the root of the problem being that a tax on bitcoin is retarded
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18519 @ 0.00087094 = 16.1289 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 192 @ 0.0008353 = 0.1604 BTC [-]
jurov: http://www.coindesk.com/life-under-bitcoin-regulation-worse-than-investors-think/ lol even wall street veterans are warning against btc regulation
mircea_popescu: davout thats okay, let them tax it.
davout: mircea_popescu: the BTC
davout: ?
mircea_popescu: the retirement account.
davout: Apocalyptic: with some court order or w/e
mircea_popescu: you don't care if it's tax free accrual or not.
decimation: true, I guess if there is 100x growth, then who cares if the gov't takes 10%
decimation: or whatever
decimation: it's their fiat anyway
decimation: like Shylock, bitcoin owners will take their pound of flesh when the time is right
mircea_popescu: moreover... if you put taxed money into it
mircea_popescu: it's untaxable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00087094 = 9.711 BTC [+]
decimation: there is a thing called the "roth IRA" where you save post-income-tax money; USG claims it will never tax it again
decimation: A fool is born every minute etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00024499 = 2.4499 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation hey, in that sense simply living in the us is taking your life in your hands.
decimation: you wrote a few days ago about the lunacy of a self-enforcing contract due to the context of language
decimation: yet there are those here who think the Constitution operates exactly in this way
decimation: Moldbug is more-or-less correct about the power that rules the us; it's the coordinated actions of the media, civil service, and academia (and all their attachments)
mircea_popescu: the media has no power.
mircea_popescu: the academia has... you know, the exact power of romania's "dissident" "inteligentsia"
mircea_popescu: it is a self-bestowed power of no actual consequence.
mircea_popescu: let me dig you this thing for you to read :
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You are marketmaking ATC nao? How long until moon?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i might try and make a lil market today
herbijudlestoids: see what happens
herbijudlestoids: looks like someone has come in and put some bid in already at 375
herbijudlestoids: good sign
herbijudlestoids: was it someone here?
herbijudlestoids: im about to narrow the fuck out of that spread
herbijudlestoids: just waiting for some confirmations on my BTC deposit
herbijudlestoids: i also found a bug on openex last inght and lodged an issue on github
herbijudlestoids: seems like ok software tho
Apocalyptic: herbijudlestoids, was the bug security-related ?
herbijudlestoids: nah
decimation: The media has the power to veto things if they are able to make someone look bad
herbijudlestoids: just in relation to orders >8 decimal places
decimation: academia has the power to insert ideas into the bureaucratic process
mircea_popescu: decimation http://www.gandul.info/magazin/ceausescu-critic-literar-1064485
mircea_popescu: that's the article, in romanian.
mircea_popescu: it summarizes a book, which is mostly built on the stenographs of romania's dictator and sole source of power,
mircea_popescu: meeting romania's academia, in corpore.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: chess tonight? :D
mircea_popescu: the man passed for an idiot in their theoretical writings, he owns them on the floor. not because of a threat of violence, but through simple intellectual superiority.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Why not?
mircea_popescu: this, i am convinced, is the situation of the us academia : they tell each other they're smart,
mircea_popescu: but if they get caged with a head of civil service they get wiped.
mircea_popescu: not because the guy orders them killed, but because the guy is actrually smarter than them, and breaks off their metaphorical arms and beats them into a pulp with them
herbijudlestoids: yey, i will ping you in ~8h
decimation: I think that's true to some extent - not so with elected officials though
decimation: The civil service in the US is mostly a jobs program, but the elite staff at the top generally knows what they are doing (like Ceausescu, they have learned through doing)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I can't guarantee I'll be awake that far into the future.
mircea_popescu: so basically... the press is just living off handouts, the academia mostly wishes to circlejerk undisturbed, has first dibs on available cash and otherwise grumbles but is thankful if resources dwindle
mircea_popescu: the us is the civil service, like any socialist state, the bureaucracy.
decimation: This is mostly true, but the civil service can't entirely ignore the media either. On the other hand, the civil service also tells the media what to print