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nubbins`: but i think in 6-12 months or so, you'll see it priced 3-4x current
ThickAsThieves: nubbins wants btct style options on mpex
ThickAsThieves: optionize all the things!
nubbins`: i don't think there's a market for it today, anyway
kakobrekla: buy shares then
nubbins`: thing all the things!
ThickAsThieves: :)
nubbins`: what makes you think i don't have any :D
ThickAsThieves: Altcoin is still waiting for its source code, though I'm wondering if we need to wait and can't just do it ourselves from the genesis block
kakobrekla: *moar
nubbins`: heh
ThickAsThieves: pankakke can you save Altcoin?
ThickAsThieves: also, did benkay ever sort an estimate for altgen.io?
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benkay: a few months is the answer
benkay: for some of the parts
benkay: mp wants the moon, unsurprisingly.
kakobrekla: what is altgen io
ThickAsThieves: i see
ThickAsThieves: its coingen.io properly
benkay: the altcoin generation bit is pretty easily did and the exchange its own bundle o' giggles but there are performance considerations around running an arbitrary number of wallet watchers
ThickAsThieves: so it needs more people
benkay: ha
benkay: ever heard of the Mythical Man Month?
benkay: anyways
nubbins`: "surely if we divide this pizza into a thousand equal slices and gather a thousand men, it will be consumed quicker"
kakobrekla: so, bit4x just made a switch from dBTC to mBTC, which is 1:10 going to 1:1000, but i only feel 10 times richer
benkay: i can definitely arrange for btc to get burned. i don't think that's a sensible business plan, though.
ThickAsThieves: appreciated
dub: http://cheezburger.com/8013939200?ref=rightarrow&siteId=75
mircea_popescu: ?ref=rightarrow ? srsly ?
dub: srsly
kakobrekla: myea, correctarrow would be more appropriate
mircea_popescu: o look who's here
kakobrekla: for the time being
mircea_popescu: dude i looked at footage, what the fuck, there's been no snow. you got a little freezing rain.
mircea_popescu: you know that's boston EVERY WINTER
kakobrekla: nah, pics dont do it justice
mircea_popescu: slovenia scam emergency
kakobrekla: srsly, its tits up
mircea_popescu: srsly ?
kakobrekla: up to few cm of ice on _everything_
mircea_popescu: maybe that's just its natural position...
mircea_popescu: soooo ?
kakobrekla: like sight unseen
kakobrekla: it fucked all the trees
mircea_popescu: sight unseen maybe, but srsly, freezing rain is no emergency.
kakobrekla: all the power lines
mircea_popescu: well... they're trees. what are they there for.
nubbins`: after it gets to a certain thickness, it's an emergency
nubbins`: ice is HEAVY
kakobrekla: my house will be out of power for a week probably
kakobrekla: same for running water
mircea_popescu: if water stopped running btw,
ThickAsThieves: will it still have a rough?
mircea_popescu: expect 2-3 weeks till they fix all the pipes
ThickAsThieves: roof
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: canine slip
mircea_popescu: that'd have been "a woof"
mircea_popescu: what you said is bdsmslip
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at bar, http://31.media.tumblr.com/098e51ac0c0c7ec3e7df2d02195e229e/tumblr_mhu879mk0V1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
ThickAsThieves: lol, girls get so mad at girls
mircea_popescu: mhm.
nubbins`: meanwhile at heavily airbrushed face
deadweasel: look at her face! she's like "whut a slanka!"
mircea_popescu: "how dares she be sexually adventurous to a greater degree than me!!11"
deadweasel: who are these naked women in your bars? ☟︎
deadweasel: why do I not have this bar?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` don't hate, some people have the misfortune of falling on a running millstone
mircea_popescu: deadweasel they're more like girls than women, really.
nubbins`: well ya know. maybe that look is pity rather than contempt, then
nubbins`: "poor mash-face has to get naked to be noticed"
mircea_popescu: take this one. nulliparous.
kakobrekla: http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072193_photo_375919_20140203_4.jpg
kakobrekla: http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072198_photo_375957_20140203_4.jpg
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did the ice also cover all your vowels ?
mircea_popescu: or was the language like that to begin with.
kakobrekla: is like that in all weather
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: point taken, srs tho are you giving out btc for clothing?
mircea_popescu: wow pole actually fell over iceweight huh
kakobrekla: http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2014/02/03/65072200_photo_375962_20140203_4.jpg
mircea_popescu: deadweasel moar like bitcents.
kakobrekla: not 1, like 100
mircea_popescu: which i suppose is technically btc too...
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so that's what, like 80-85% ?
deadweasel: it's good to be the king
deadweasel: i still make them get naked with nice cheap words.
deadweasel: less successfully tho, mind you
kakobrekla: less
kakobrekla: i dunno
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla anyway, great you're ok.
kakobrekla: theres about 1000 transformers damaged
deadweasel: holy shit, that's going to be a while...
dub: fucken global warming
nubbins`: dub, the climate isn't changing
mircea_popescu: yeah they got troubles. i was just making light of it because i'm an asshole in a tropical climate 70 miles away.
nubbins`: it's a lefty conspiracy
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at finance ranch, http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-january-2014-statement/
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kakobrekla: its gonna take a year+ to fix all damage
kakobrekla: and years to clean up the forrests
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dun be telling dub it's a lefty conspiracy, he's been sayin' it since b4 you were boarn, son.
nubbins`: loony lefties
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the snowdrops came out all over here.
kakobrekla: :)
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dub: having not followed cardano at all, any utility in it shipping with 'hardware' encrypted disk as a value add?
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asciilifeform: dub: elaborate
dub: bolt on some flash that can't be casually read without having whatever other requisite peice
dub: mp is a big fan of fde
asciilifeform: dub: if you recall, cardano presents as a disk. anything written to said disk is encrypted
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dub: oh good
asciilifeform: (pulling the flash card gets you nothing)
mircea_popescu: well... in fact it DOES get you high quality entropy.
mircea_popescu: not as high as using the thing as intended, but still.
asciilifeform: i sorta wonder if anybody bothered to read the original spec
asciilifeform: what do people think cardano is. an electric saw?
dub: hardware rng
asciilifeform: rng is simply a part therein
asciilifeform: (two of them, to be exact)
deadweasel: can my electric saw have one of those neked bar girls attached?
Mats_cd03: ozbot is dead, long live ozbot
asciilifeform: if we only wanted to ship rng, we could've done so in november. to all of six customers, or somesuch.
deadweasel: .bait
ThickAsThieves: "Since it's a SHA-256 coin, this is an interesting one to follow because the same equipment can mine it." I love the folds of irony Altcoin brings
dub: was just an idle thought 'hey since I'm lugging it around anyway, 64g of storage with better-than-a-truecrypt-volume security might be nice'
herbijudlestoids: approx how many MPOE shares on issue mircea_popescu?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 900.45241962 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 180 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: dub: 'Mark I' Cardano is USB 1.1. if you're ok with ~200kB/sec on your flash drive, you can use it as such.
dub: ack, no thanks
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no approx. 1 bn. it's in the contract.
asciilifeform: 'good/cheap/quick pick two'
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's possibly more rng customers than gpg customers imo
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves thick, lucscious, shimmering pink folds of goodness.
asciilifeform: funny that nobody is quick to help them.
dub: we're mostly only just learning how broken existing offers are tho rite?
mircea_popescu: two clowns in a restaurant
mircea_popescu: "does this taste funny to you ?"
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mircea_popescu: dub notrly, we're mostly just reading the guardian about how fucking exciting it is to be like at the guardian. also diets.
dub: the royal unwasher we're
dub: unwashed
nubbins`: guy walks into a bar and orders a glass of brake fluid. "brake fluid?", the barkeep asks.
nubbins`: "yeah, i'm addicted," the guy says, "but i can stop whenever i want"
asciilifeform: dub: there's maybe a dozen outfits selling dedicated rngs, of various cost and quality.
Mats_cd03: i have a brilliant idea for a bitcoin venture
Mats_cd03: and i'm giving it away for free
dub: ya - 8 Ways Your Sphincter Will Tighten When You Read This Amazing Conspirace
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: so is my calculation as the P/E of MPOE to be ~55 correct?
Mats_cd03: read: bitcoin tontines
ThickAsThieves: anyone following the Open Transactions guy?
mircea_popescu: lol "royal unwasher", i chuckled.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teNzIFu5L70
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: funny thing about ideas...
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids sounds about right.
ThickAsThieves: i like how he's not smooth at all
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves very... zoomedoutedly so to speak.
deadweasel: Mats_cd03: just's watched the simpsons tontine episode?
Mats_cd03: deadweasel: no i was thinking about the double deuces episode in archer just now
Mats_cd03: but it looks like nubbins` is rite and i'm unoriginal
dub: they made more archer? rad
deadweasel: ah yes, forgot taht one.. those two episode made me laugh harder than I have in months
Mats_cd03: kill self
deadweasel: starts to fade at the third
ThickAsThieves: "i'm gonna make servers that you dont have to trust"
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: and the div yield ~2.5%?
Mats_cd03: dub: there is also more archer... 3 eps out i belieb
deadweasel: tongiht is a new one!
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su-HUDo7XQ4
Mats_cd03: i wish i had friends that would put in for a tontine
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids something like that. depends on how exactly you calculate the reference price.
nubbins`: what was it, the flying hellfish or something?
deadweasel: how do you reveal your private key to the right person when you die? holy shit, we need bitcoin TRUST FUNDS...
herbijudlestoids: so based on those numbers i calculate the "market implied annual EPS growth rate" to be 86%
herbijudlestoids: (approx)
asciilifeform: one could conceivably implement it as a 'dead man's switch'
Mats_cd03: i imagine it would be in escrow
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids mind that you are calculating something over a very fastly changing curve.
deadweasel: ah yes, if you don't reply to the email after a month, it's sent out
mircea_popescu: something akin to "the average value of sin(x)"
asciilifeform: every year the participants put out crypto-signed whatever, if one doesn't, his share goes in the pot
dub: hardware dead man switch
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform once the space stabilizes some i expect tontines will actually work great.
mircea_popescu: very easy to run them transparently.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: which curve is fastly changing? the earnings?
Mats_cd03: that sounds like good fun, although i'd be worried about getting killed if this wasn't pseudonymous
dub: no heartbeat for 8 hours, upload key
Mats_cd03: but i suppose thats 99% of the fun amirite
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids many things. in jan last, there were ~7mn btc. now there's 12mn.
asciilifeform: a 'kinder, gentler' tontine, where you don't have to plug your rivals, just help them forget to check their mail ☟︎
mircea_popescu: think... m3 changed by... 60% ? wow.
mircea_popescu: then there were like 3 major craters or so.
mircea_popescu: after pirate we had a 4 month freezeout which was the worst i ever saw, almost killed the s.dice ipo
mircea_popescu: it.was.bad.
herbijudlestoids: so how does that affect my calculation?
mircea_popescu: i don't think any current sovereign could survive such depression at all.
mircea_popescu: well... your calculation sits atop and intends to represent an economic reality. which is very fast chaning.
herbijudlestoids: basically all im saying is that if EPS is expected to grow ~86%p.a. then MPOE is a fair value investment, if less then its overvalued, if more then undervalued
mircea_popescu: "sin(x) is expected to be 0"
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: well, to be fair, if the participants paid for food/housing with btc, there might've been an actual body count rather than simple whining
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teNzIFu5L70#t=647 at 10:44, lols
nubbins`: asciilifeform: there's always this year :D
mircea_popescu: yet again one of our major strengths turns out to have been what clueless noobs imagined is a weakness.
nubbins`: what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc.
mircea_popescu: if btc had actual economic adherence in 2012-2013 we'd have been fucked with a capital CK
nubbins`: if it had adherence, maybe those events wouldn't have happened
nubbins`: did you even WATCH back to the future? ;(
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's a flattering point, but i very much doubt it.
mircea_popescu: who knwos tho. alternative pasts.
Mats_cd03: utilities being for rich entities seeking modest, secure returns, i dont see that happening
asciilifeform: at some point we'll see the destitute and desperate sell their organs for a btc or two, to pay their meters. but not soon.
nubbins`: i never really viewed the wet parts trade as a thing where sellers sought buyers.
nubbins`: what do you do, hang around a hospital?
mircea_popescu: doh ?!
mircea_popescu: what do you think the chinese do /
mircea_popescu: they send recruiting teams in the poor farmland, give kids laptops take their kidneys.
mircea_popescu: it's grotesque.
nubbins`: well exactly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chinese famously hang around the town scaffold
nubbins`: buyers lead the trade
mircea_popescu: o i see what you meant.
dub: I thought they just pick a religion and use its practitioners
mircea_popescu: dub yeah but they ran out of religions meanwhile.
dub: witness falung gong
nubbins`: "who will buy my kidney" will attract nobody, because who wants the kidney of someone destitute enough to want to sell theirs?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're selling about 100k parts a year by the latest numbers i saw.
mircea_popescu: they're not executing 1k people a year
ThickAsThieves: <nubbins`> what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc. <<<< i might add "design a 100% Pure Bitcoin seal design" to my todo list
asciilifeform: by one account, ~20k/yr
ThickAsThieves: need to promote the concept
nubbins`: design a design and thing all the things
dub: nubbins`: theres a market, supply/demand and all that jazz
ThickAsThieves: you know me!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well that's where things get debated.
nubbins`: dub: sure, but the person who wants the kidney goes out and finds one they like.
dub: no
nubbins`: they don't wait for some asshole to come to them
asciilifeform: odd that there is dispute. chinese executions are quite the opposite of secret.
asciilifeform: but perhaps nobody bothers to count
nubbins`: ^
Mats_cd03: 100k is incredibly low for 1.3bln
dub: harvesting facilities are in the jails ffs
nubbins`: sure, but again, that's not sellers seeking buyers
nubbins`: it's the opposite
nubbins`: buyers saying "you. right there."
dub: they have cought murican cosmetics companies red handed buying chinese skin derivatives
Mats_cd03: define skin derivatives
nubbins`: collagen sausage casings
dub: colagen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the official figure is about 1k ims.
Mats_cd03: does anyone else hate the tv show suits
Mats_cd03: ...cause i do
dub: never heard of it
nubbins`: what's a tv show
ThickAsThieves: Mats_cd03 is a lawyer?
mircea_popescu: we're watching tv now ?
mircea_popescu: what is this, the 60s ?
kakobrekla: nope, its the 80s, irc time
nubbins`: http://www.thingcharger.com/
mircea_popescu: if this is the 80s why do i have a beard.
nubbins`: imagine taking a 10" tablet and charging it by balancing it vertically on a male micro-usb jack
nubbins`: ;(
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: because growing a mustache from scratch makes you look unkempt? :D
Vexual: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/GODLIKE-Alternator-diesel-generator/582312172.html
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` that is exactly the sort of idiocy. it has all the markings.
mircea_popescu: buncha press logos ? as if anyone gives a shit.
nubbins`: right
mircea_popescu: this is billy mays 2015 edition.
nubbins`: "are you tired of not snapping off connectors inside your expensive electronics?"
KRS-: I am going Foo Manchu this month
asciilifeform: this is one of those cases where the lusers will be better off if the vendor takes the money and runs
nubbins`: i want to see five of these things plugged into each other
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpqiyFPdHZ4
mircea_popescu: at least the guy had a personality.
nubbins`: with five ipads smashed on the floor
nubbins`: "convenient!"
nubbins`: "break all your things at once!"
KRS-: http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-130817123929166/fu-manchu-mustache-1.jpg
mircea_popescu: that thing is actually useful.
dub: there is a retard (ipad) sized 10 key calculator in this room
mircea_popescu: you can make ~ 7lbs of crushed ice / hour with it.
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dub: I've been hilariously quipping that its more useful than the apple product to all the apple fanboys here
mircea_popescu: lol
kakobrekla: do they still sell quick chop?
asciilifeform: everybody hates apple but nobody lifts a finger to birth a half-decent unix laptop
nubbins`: speaking of mustaches
nubbins`: here's one of my better ones:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ubuntu could have done it
mircea_popescu: but instead they decided to go all doge
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: thats because its literally impossible to satisfy nix geeks
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/Nchmysi
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: all you need is a machine with documented, well-behaved (at least to the desktop standard) components.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so that means no gnome no kde right ?
dub: die antword wannabe
asciilifeform: or, failing that, an os by the same people who bake the hw
asciilifeform: a la Sun Tadpole laptop
nubbins`: dub, this was halloween 2012
nubbins`: only ONE stranger recognized my wife and i
nubbins`: wanted his picture taken ;(
asciilifeform: someone still uses gnome or kde?
dub: pic of her as yolandi plox
decimation: ascii what about novena? http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?tag=novena
dub: points if you wore the dark side of teh moon boxer shorts
asciilifeform: ah yes, the 'junkyard wars' laptop
decimation: LoL yeah it has a few extra features...
benkay: junkyard ware is all we get now asciilifeform
kakobrekla: --
nubbins`: dub, unfortunately only blurry cellphone pictures exist
benkay: this means that people who care about the problem should probably invest some time and intellect into fixing it instead of waiting for a corporate sponsor like BSD does.
ThickAsThieves: for anyone that cares, #opentransactions exists
decimation: the amount of time and intellect required to reinvent the computer with non-crap is literally several lifetimes
asciilifeform: benkay: people who have never been involved in mass-producing hardware are in for some rude surprises
decimation: and it's not profitable, and it's likely you will make many powerful enemies
asciilifeform: decimation: not even talking about re-inventing computing here (that's what my blob is for...) but just a decent unixlike portable
asciilifeform: where, say, 'suspend mode' actually works
asciilifeform: and network card, etc
asciilifeform: *blog
decimation: oh that's a more reasonable goal. yeah you aren't going to convince the junk peddlers that it's worth their time
benkay: well look asciilifeform there's digikey, there's a 3d printer, and there's a mess of hardware out there. nobody's going to mass-produce a *nix laptop but Apple, and we can't use theirs. the solution is to cobble our own together.
nubbins`: blob
asciilifeform: you use a kbd with 3d-printed keys, i'll pass.
nubbins`: you can't use theirs?
asciilifeform: the keyboard is one of the first mass hardware items to go to shit
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asciilifeform: '90s laptops still had more-or-less usable ones
decimation: what I find interesting is the "market dynamics" of the iphone/ipad vs. android alternatives
asciilifeform: no such luck now
nubbins`: my mother wears the letters off her keys within ~4 months
benkay: so what's a more tractable problem: supplying high-quality keyboards for shitty cobbled together laptops, or producing entire chassis?
decimation: before the apple junk dominated, there was actually some differentiation in the marketplace amoung android devices
decimation: now everyone makes iphone clones
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asciilifeform: on old (proper) keyboards, the letters physically cannot come off (they're injection molded, the bottom of the key is black) they just get fatter over time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do people use these days ?
asciilifeform: 'geological' time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most recent portables have 'apple' style 'dollar store calculator' keyboards.
nubbins`: apple keyboards are a joy
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asciilifeform: on cheap keyboards (all of them, today) the letters are silkscreened on.
decimation: I love my old hp-48 chicklet syle keyboard. I wish someone would bring that back on a portable device
asciilifeform: i, for instance, would like an aluminum (or hell, if we're dreaming, titanium) kbd and chassis
asciilifeform: but this is not how mass industry works
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu i mean re gnome/kde
KRS-: kde ftw
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't speak for others, but i'm partial to http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/
mircea_popescu: but we WERE speaking of others.
mircea_popescu: thought we were discussing mass mkt.
KRS-: reminds me of metro-x
dub: xfce4yfe
KRS-: dub: u are a sick man
nubbins`: if it's just the chassis holding you back, get one machined
asciilifeform: linux noobs are using various graphics-candy oddities, some probably based on gnome/kde, yes
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i prefer pigs without lipstick, and turds unpolished
KRS-: damn geeks took over market topic
decimation: the portable device mass market is full of different manufacturers, yet they all produce very similar knockoffs of the same design
KRS-: CDE reminds me of my Sun desktop days
decimation: what could drive such risk-adverse behaviours amoung the executive suites of those companies?
asciilifeform: decimation: and with virtually-identical internals
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decimation: what happens to the guy who suggests: why not try something other than an iphone clone (for instance)
decimation: I think you have a blog post about how the world is damned to repeat Job's mistakes
dub: asciilifeform: tmux?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't a laptop by its definition ALREADY an oddity ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants to hunch over a ball cooker ?
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, executive assistant chicks with 4 feet worth of leg.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: almost googled "ball cooker"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` laptops aren't for men. srsly. it
mircea_popescu: s like the cs equivalent of a dildo.
nubbins`: "laptop" is a misnomer
nubbins`: for example, mine's on a table
decimation: yeah here's your post on the topic, if you forgive me http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
nubbins`: if you're going by what lazy slobs do, you could call all kinds of things laptops
nubbins`: large bag of chips? laptop
nubbins`: nintendo controller? laptop
Vexual: hooker? laptop
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: etc, etc
Vexual: you can put it on a desk but you dont have to
nubbins`: cat? laptop
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` suppose tomorrow I decide i want a diff video card.
mircea_popescu: da fuck do you do with the laptop ?
Vexual: tol up your chinese factoryies to make mini pcie stuff
nubbins`: suppose tomorrow you want rack and pinion steering on your motorcycle.
decimation: I guess that the serious lack of non-Apple competition for well-designed hardware (ie, not just Apple clones) is proof that no major electronics manufacturer is well managed
nubbins`: decimation, it's more that there isn't a market for well-designed hardware.
decimation: bah. jobs created a market
nubbins`: sure he did
nubbins`: is there room for two homemade fudge stands at the farmer's market?
mircea_popescu: decimation perhaps it's proof that apple hardware is not well designed.
nubbins`: heh
decimation: heh that's also possible
nubbins`: there's that, too
nubbins`: for example, look at those time capsule things
mircea_popescu: would you say the lack of coca-cola competition for healthy fizz drinks proves no major pharma company is well managed ?
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decimation: either they are not well managed or the zombie hordes in the US would prefer not to think
nubbins`: anyway, apple hardware is well-designed visually, sure
mircea_popescu: decimation apple has unmatched strengths in marketing and advertising
nubbins`: i was about to say "but it's not like they're fabbing custom chips"
decimation: they used to be a joke back in the clone days
mircea_popescu: this is strictly because apple had at the helm for a decade+ a person who actually understood how worthless advertising is, and just told the horde to get fucked
Vexual: they worked out to patent connectors
mircea_popescu: if you only buy +ev packages for 10 years and have the bankroll to buy anything, eventually you end up king of the hill
mircea_popescu: which indeed they are
mircea_popescu: think about this : all OTHER mass market folks need to PAY celebs and producers to get product placement
mircea_popescu: apple gets this the other way around : the SHOW itself wants to gain value from the association.
mircea_popescu: that's all it is.
mircea_popescu: no design involved.
decimation: but how do you create stuff people want? I submit (like ascii) that it can only the product of one mind who has the power to dictate the result
Vexual: :usb
nubbins`: decimation: you convince people that they want it.
nubbins`: aren't you listening? D:
mircea_popescu: to create product you can sell in the 1990s us, you create something that people CAN IDENTIFY and push their want buttons. is all.
mircea_popescu: they don't have to want anything.
mircea_popescu: what you take for "good engineering" is really just what nintendo was trying to do with the "game cube".
mircea_popescu: ie, it's a cube. basic geometric shape. "herp derp i can recognise this in my surroundings"
Vexual: works in micro tatami
mircea_popescu: it's more important that they were all black
decimation: So your goal, as a businessman, is to get the big dumb blob of the population to be able to recognize your widget
mircea_popescu: than absolutely any actual design decision involved.
decimation: everything else will follow?
mircea_popescu: decimation well, don' go fighting the war of the past.
mircea_popescu: the 1990 us (lots of people with lots of welfare money to throw around) is not coming back. ever.
decimation: that's true. it was a unique time
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mircea_popescu: you can feel it, in retrospect. all this govt money everyone had... greatest party of all time.
mircea_popescu: party's over, but yeah, that one chick with nice tits that took her top off... what a hoot.
Namworld: Time to clean up now
mircea_popescu: what was her name, peaches, rosy, eve ? something with apple in it maybe.
decimation: Perhaps the 1960's-90's will be regarded as the peak of "us civilization"
mircea_popescu: the peak of us civilisation was the golden generation
mircea_popescu: not yet matched, and no more time.
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mircea_popescu: s/gilded/golden
mircea_popescu: i guess i went a little circular there lol
nubbins`: life's like that
decimation: I was a little confused. In the us, this is a forgotten part of our history in the popular mind
mircea_popescu: yeah, well. the people whose retarded children followed lincoln in his nazi adventure.
asciilifeform: re: 'what market wants':
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3071492123502329@naggum.no.html
mircea_popescu: it'd have blossomed again, im sure, but europe bleed it twice in 50 years
mircea_popescu: and then... here we are.
asciilifeform: 'do Americans want three-ring binders,
asciilifeform: and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever
asciilifeform: number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help
asciilifeform: them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they
asciilifeform: really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of
asciilifeform: the information they receive?'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.
decimation: Indeed, what is interesting is that how little of the communism that had taken over Europe in the late 1800's had actually affected America
mircea_popescu: the us was quite healthy yet, even in 1880.
mircea_popescu: course... you're quite healthy "yet" the day after you've fucked all the girls at the pit stop too.
decimation: I mean, the election of 1886 was about whether there should be a silver or gold standard - and the gold won!
Vexual: maybemoreso than 110 y later
Mats_cd03: is there more silver or gold in existence
Vexual: silver
decimation: silver (on planet earth)
Vexual: tin
decimation: that's why the democrats wanted to adopt the silver standard - it would be extremely beneficial to the "little people" - debtors all over the midwest
asciilifeform: sad fact is, if you want, for one reason or another, a portable unix box with a metal chassis and working suspend mode & peripherals, you're stuck with apple.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 about 100x more silver.
mircea_popescu: decimation planet earth is not really far off the universal average is it ?
decimation: I donno, i'm just being pedantic
mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember that earth is actually "reasonably" representative of the actual unviersal distribution of elements.
decimation: ascii I want something that has a reasonable off-line backup system that will restore from an external drive, like time machine
asciilifeform: decimation: what's wrong with dd=/dev/yerdisk of=/mnt/somewhere
mircea_popescu: Vexual actually, on earth iron and nickel are, not tin.
Vexual: reasonable meaning that we are here and can see about 100 meteres across the shere of earth if it were the universe
mircea_popescu: they're nuclear ends.
decimation: well, that's fine if you want to ensure your system isn't modifying files while you write the clone?
Vexual: exactly not elemantal
mircea_popescu: i suppose you acquire all kernel locks
mircea_popescu: OVER 9000
asciilifeform: if you don't feel like taking the box down, there are clever ways
KRS-: Anyone going to the Berlin Bitcoin conference, PM me for 20% discount code.
Vexual: how much is a ticket?
KRS-: idk
nubbins`: did i tell you guys about the coworker i had who used time machine for version control?
decimation: Perhaps it would be integrated into your suspend feature :)
nubbins`: "i don't like svn", he said
decimation: seems reasonable <sarcasm>
nubbins`: he never fucked anything up
KRS-: If anyone is lending on BFX I could use some swap for almost 600 LTC.
KRS-: ;;seen sturles
gribble: sturles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <sturles> I've upgraded my clients to latest git. Not forwarding or mining silly dust spam any more.
KRS-: fawk
decimation: well ascii, part of the problem with your lack of unix laptop is that there aren't any unix hardware manufacturers anymore
decimation: does oracle still make servers?
asciilifeform: this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw
nubbins`: does oracle still anymore?
decimation: yeah, laptops are going to require some level of hardware/firmware/driver integration
benkay: ;;calc 0.8*24*365
gribble: 7008
nubbins`: decimation: how about HP :)
decimation: it seems there would be a market for a "rhel laptop" like the tadpole was for sun though
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw <<< shit, laptops just got killed.
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asciilifeform: to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war
decimation: HP was killed by idiots who were drunk at the party in the 90's MP mentions
nubbins`: well y'know.
asciilifeform: (even if this is approximately true, the devil lies in the remaining cases)
nubbins`: did they EVER have a "unix laptop"?
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadpole_Computer
nubbins`: did ibm have AIX laptops, did sgi have IRIX laptops, etc
Mats_cd03: chromebooks are about as good as its going to get imo
asciilifeform: if i recall, there was even an Alpha laptop once.
nubbins`: i'm not so sure this "unix laptop" thing ever existed, aside from a few isolated instances
nubbins`: Mats_cd03, chromebooks are essentially dumb terminals
Mats_cd03: ya i know
asciilifeform: nubbins`: chromebook can be diddled into some semblance of general-purpose usefulness, with some sweat
Vexual: whats wrong with a raspi in a lunchbox?
Mats_cd03: fuck me but i actually like that
asciilifeform: (zap the google crap)
benkay: ;;calc 0.8*24*30
gribble: 576
asciilifeform: Vexual: keyboard, battery, display
nubbins`: asciilifeform: so can an OLPC ;p
Mats_cd03: im at the stage where i know a lot about netsec but very little about practical mitigation of threats
Vexual: i thought thats what all the kids had now
Mats_cd03: so having a chromebook to do things that might be sensitive is great
Vexual: build the rest with arundio
decimation: well, if you want to DIY laptop you might as well join up with bunnie, at least he is going with open/auditable firmware
Mats_cd03: if i'm really, really worried about getting pwned i guess i could use a raspi with a usb drive to bridge the air gap
asciilifeform: Vexual: if your idea of a portable computer is a briefcase with a tv and raspi, more power to you
decimation: although that doesn't detect chip fiddling
Vexual: im happy with my 701
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asciilifeform: ibm 701C? the one with the folding kbd?
asciilifeform: 486?
Mats_cd03: im sure it exists but i havent seen malware that targets both armv6
decimation: except your "raspi" is closed hardware with binary blob fimrware
Mats_cd03: and x86-64
asciilifeform: gets better
asciilifeform: raspi cpu has a whole separate core
nubbins`: wait, so now we're looking for a laptop with all open hardware?
nubbins`: jeez
asciilifeform: running a weird undocumented instr set (!) blob at all times
decimation: well it was probably meant for phones/tablets to run the RF stuff
nubbins`: just call up that company whose laptops RMS uses
asciilifeform: it's like someone held a contest, 'make something even more dubious than an intel box'
nubbins`: and ask them to do a bespoke one for ya
Vexual: asccilifeform: eeepc
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war << this is facually true
decimation: I donno, qualcomm is probably more scummy than intel
asciilifeform: bought an 'eeepc' once, threw it out in disgust
mircea_popescu: you ever seen anyone with a .38 ?
nubbins`: hm, this tadpole used openvms?
nubbins`: :(
Mats_cd03: i used to own a S&W revolver what about it
decimation: here you go, a history of sparc portables http://www.sparcproductdirectory.com/portable10.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason no one is in a hurry to dispense with man-portable arms
mircea_popescu: did you win any wars with it Mats_cd03 ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform man portable != woman portable.
mircea_popescu: i can carry my mothrfucking crt.
nubbins`: afaik they give pistols to suspected heroes
asciilifeform: the 'two airplanes' theorem applies
nubbins`: so they can drunkenly stagger towards enemy snipers firing shots
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: nah i never fired it, it was an antique i saved for home defense
nubbins`: while they bleed out
asciilifeform: 'what can two planes do, that no single plane, regardless of cost, can do? be in two places.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you shooting a .38 in each hand > me with my .5 DE ?
mircea_popescu: there is an absolute limit to the smallest firearm usable on a battlefield. so in computing. the laptop is below that limit.
asciilifeform: but note that DE, rather than Maxim
Mats_cd03: only if you turn both pistols sideways
asciilifeform: because you'd still like to move around with it
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 and spin while screaming.
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Mats_cd03: you'd kill 6 whole gangsters, i seen it
mircea_popescu: i saw that movie too!
mircea_popescu: i think that's how they started calling them "molls"
Mats_cd03: now that we're talking about firearms
Mats_cd03: i want to tell all of you that live in murica to buy an antique handgun
Mats_cd03: no need to register it if you leave it at home
nubbins`: i'm not so sure that "computing" is a battlefield
nubbins`: handguns work fine for domestic disputes
nubbins`: bar fights, even
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you do have a good point there in principle, but im not so sure the laptop resolves the movement problem.
Mats_cd03: 9/10 on scale of intimidating crackheads and drunks off your property
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: afaik, in most u.s. states nobody has to register anything short of machine gun
Vexual: flingin crts with one hand workls too
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nubbins`: haha ^
Mats_cd03: i live in the union so theres lots of regs everywhere
Mats_cd03: i rented an AR-15 once in san diego
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Mats_cd03: theres this regulation that assault weapons have to be sold with this special magazine release
Mats_cd03: so you end up using a fucking pen to pop your 10 round mag out
Mats_cd03: mindfuckery
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: used to be that you could pop those open with an unspent round, but the regulations were changed, if i recall
Mats_cd03: its like this
decimation: I think the new thing is that the next magazine has a key to pop off the last one
Mats_cd03: if i'm going to shoot up a mall i'm going to find the biggest magazine i can find, prob 40 rounds, and then i'm going to get a weapon that takes less than 5 seconds to reload
Mats_cd03: some regulations about a 10 round magazine and mag release fuckery ain't gonna stop that
Vexual: regulations changed in australia, now we have more unlicensed guns than the bad parts of la
asciilifeform: i still don't get the preoccupation with 'postals.' biggest postal body count to date still belongs to the fellow with the jerry can
asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire
ozbot: Happy Land fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Vexual: everyone handed in their crts tho
asciilifeform: CRT banned in australia?!
decimation: http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/12/san-francisco-targets-repair-kits-that-s
ozbot: San Francisco Targets 'Repair Kits' That Skirt California's Gun Magazine Limit - Hit & Run : Reason.
decimation: PLEASE NOTE: CA-Legal Magazine Repair / Rebuild Kits are to be used to 1) repair or rebuild your existing legally owned high capacity magazines or 2) permanently block to 10 rounds or 3) store in a disassembled condition for use outside of California. They are not intended for reassembly into new high capacity magazines, which would be a felony under California law.
decimation: LOL
Vexual: asciilifeform: supercession seems to work better
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-january-2014-statement/
ozbot: BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^
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benkay: wow a significant month for bitbet without significant donations
benkay: bitbet not scam?
asciilifeform: decimation: these folks will probably end in the gasenwagen. see the infamous 'shoelace machine gun' precedent.
mircea_popescu: benkay it's still a scam, but this month more quoting wikipedia less quoting trilema
decimation: the list of unapproved submissions is likely hilarious
asciilifeform: during 'prohibition', there were folks who sold stills in parts, with detailed instructions for 'what not do to' with them
nubbins`: "Upon further review, we have determined that the string by itself is not a machinegun"
nubbins`: lelel
asciilifeform: this doesn't fly today
decimation: lol the shoestring
mircea_popescu: González was charged with 174 counts of murder—- two for each victim—- and was found guilty on 87 counts of arson and 87 counts of murder on August 19, 1991. For each count he received the sentence maximum of 25 years to life (a total of 4,350 years). It was the most substantial prison term ever imposed in the state of New York
decimation: how can the guy who signed that letter face himself in the mirror
mircea_popescu: this "counts" bs the us does still boggles.
mircea_popescu: he did ONE thing.
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asciilifeform: the string was acquitted, but woe be unto anyone caught with an original 'ak' sear
mircea_popescu: there can't be "counts"
Mats_cd03: is there context for the photo on trilema
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: unfortunately there's no separate crime for "killing 87 people"
nubbins`: and what sort of justice equates the killing of one with the killing of dozens?!
Mats_cd03: ive spent five minutes now just examining the man's beard and the other guy's arm hair
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's killing.
decimation: why not just convict on one "count" then, and if you want him to suffer more, convict him of the next?
Mats_cd03: nubbins`: judaism?
mircea_popescu: there is a crime of "murder"
nubbins`: sure, yes.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 which one ?
nubbins`: and he committed the crime 87 times, they say
Mats_cd03: at the top
mircea_popescu: o, the header ? me with some local kids in a bar
Vexual: did you win?
asciilifeform: they're stuck with the monotony of allowed punishments
mircea_popescu: counting fiat.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you can't commit the crime x times, unless you do x things.
asciilifeform: in the old days, you could have your breaking on the wheel 'commuted' to mere beheading, if there were 'extenuating circumstances'
mircea_popescu: he did one thing. it's one crime.
nubbins`: sure, but if i go to a pizza place and eat a full pizza, do i get charged for one slice?
mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah.
nubbins`: i only ate one meal
Mats_cd03: i propose a new system of justice
decimation: public hangings ought to be mandatory viewing for the entire population
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what is this, the market ?
nubbins`: for our purposes, sure
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mircea_popescu: nope. if eating is punished, you ate, you get punished.
mircea_popescu: if you eat twice, maybe you're punished twice.
asciilifeform: decimation: public hangings were, afaik, always and unambiguously 'cash-positive' and in-demand
nubbins`: okay, so i left my wallet at home
Mats_cd03: convicted felons will now scrape gum off sidewalks
mircea_popescu: but if you ate once you don't get "one count of eating an olive, another count of eating another olive" bs.
mircea_popescu: and besides, they run concurrently anyway.
nubbins`: do i have to wash the same number of dishes as the guy who only ate half a pizza?
Mats_cd03: that might keep lifers busy
mircea_popescu: 43985734987984357 counts of 5 minutes = 5 minutes in jail.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: u.s. judges can select concurrent vs. consecutive
mircea_popescu: only cause teh us is completely in wtf mode.
Vexual: no
mircea_popescu: i'm in jail, i'm in jail. it applies to all possible reasons i might be in jail.
mircea_popescu: there's not a "now for x, tomorrow for y" bs.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: same punishment for striking one person with your car vs driving through a crowd, mowing down dozens?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yup.
mircea_popescu: unless there's a special law for 3 people, murder is murder.
nubbins`: don't you suppose that would encourage people to just keep on driving after they've struck someone?
nubbins`: "fuck it, i never liked bill"
mircea_popescu: it can be manslaughter or aggravated murder, but it is an offence.
asciilifeform: 'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'
mircea_popescu: nubbins` do you suppose the 4955th year discourages anyone ?
nubbins`: "actually this whole town is full of nerds"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i don't suppose the punishment discourages anyone who commits an offence
nubbins`: by definition, it hasn't
mircea_popescu: "dude, 2500s i don't care about so much but i gotta see superbowl #1955"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'geological time' sentences, if i recall, serve a mundane bureaucratic purpose
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda what i'm pointing out here. it makes a laughingstock of the process.
asciilifeform: they eliminate parole in jurisdictions where the judge cannot (or for political/historical reasons) won't do so.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: prisons get paid in advance? ;p
asciilifeform: 'yer paroled but got 3000 yrs to go'
mircea_popescu: i don't dispute the system works.
asciilifeform: '1000 off for good behaviour'
mircea_popescu: i affirm the system is fucking microsoft windows.
asciilifeform: that, it is.
Mats_cd03: the process has always been a laughing stock, we just invented the internet recently and tell each other about it
mircea_popescu: all i'm sayin'.
asciilifeform: for that matter,winblows itself is a good cultural portrait of the civilization that shat it forth
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 the civil law is actually a lot saner
nubbins`: so i come home to find my wife in bed with another man
mircea_popescu: until you get to business and commercial matters.
nubbins`: shoot one of them
mircea_popescu: then... forget it.
nubbins`: i might as well just shoot the other one, and my daughter too?
Mats_cd03: it has been an adversarial judicial system its entire existence...scalia agrees on this account
nubbins`: MAKES SENSE
mircea_popescu: nubbins` fun fact : guy did this in timisoara ~5 years ago. he was acquited.
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Vexual: get a new woman and stay free
Mats_cd03: i mean fuck they're pitting lawyers against each other, someone is going to get fucked and its not the prosecution
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: sometimes the prosecution gets fucked, but they don't really have to pay the bill when it comes
decimation: why is it considered horrific to broadcast hangings in the US, but not horrific to broadcast "fiction" featuring people murdering regularly?
mircea_popescu: decimation why is it considered horrific to show kids nipples
Mats_cd03: cause its not, like, real, dude
mircea_popescu: is what i want to know.
asciilifeform: decimation: it's worth your time to read about how and why public hangings went away
asciilifeform: it was 'moralists.' too much fun
decimation: yeah do you have sources
decimation: We can build a kingdom of God on earth, if we just pile up enough chairs...
asciilifeform: 'Edison and the Electric Chair', Mark Essig
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was it because hangings got too close to masturbation for the victim ?
mircea_popescu: U.S. intelligence agencies last week urged the Obama administration to check its new healthcare network for malicious software after learning that developers linked to the Belarus government helped produce the website, raising fresh concerns that private data posted by millions of Americans will be compromised.
mircea_popescu: http://freebeacon.com/the-belarusian-connection/
ozbot: The Belarusian Connection | Washington Free Beacon
asciilifeform: hangings in the 19th c. were apparently quite stimulating to the audience.
nubbins`: asciilifeform, gore is essentially porno
nubbins`: belarus, they make nice coins
decimation: Belarussian hackers probably have unique insight in how to create proper communism
asciilifeform: no gore as such, even. never having attended a hanging, i've no idea why the audience creams its pants along with the fellow dancing the hempen jig
mircea_popescu: belarus is like.... putin's canada.
asciilifeform: but there it was.
nubbins`: well sure, but a technicality
nubbins`: humans get off on vulnerability
nubbins`: this is why they enjoy humiliation, torture, gore, etc as well as sex
nubbins`: and why all those things have a habit of getting tangled up with each other occasionally
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this would explain the fact that everybody loved a good impalement, etc. in times gone by. but hanging? seems boring.
nubbins`: nod
mircea_popescu: http://hosted.ap.org/photos/D/d728d07d-87f7-4b85-baf6-7540d3a22af6-big.jpg < exactly what it says on the tin
nubbins`: it's a power thing
nubbins`: consider the age of 1-900 sex chat
nubbins`: nothing to even look at
nubbins`: countless buckets of cum
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nubbins`: or a room full of dudebros swapping stories of tricking women into having sex or beating up nerds
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
nubbins`: vulnerability
nubbins`: even thinking about it gets people riled up
nubbins`: doesn't even need to be witnessed
nubbins`: the wetness of an impaling is just icing on the cake
nubbins`: a hanging will do just fine
nubbins`: and in a pinch, a recollection of the hanging
mircea_popescu: so why'd spanking go out of fashion ?
nubbins`: it didn't
nubbins`: do you even pornography?
mircea_popescu: so when's the last time you gave the missus a good spanking ?
mircea_popescu: plan on doing her children weekly or anything ?
nubbins`: i'm not saying everyone in the town was jacking off at the gallows
nubbins`: nor is every man a steroid-riddled ape shouting "HURRR" and slapping a woman's ass purple
nubbins`: just that these are common enough things that share a common characteristic
mircea_popescu: so the proposition here is that the same process took out hangings and spankings ?
nubbins`: no, that the same process made them popular in the first place.
nubbins`: propriety brought both out of the public eye
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mircea_popescu: as a non-steroid riddled non-ape that has slapped bucnhes of butts purple i tell you i see no appeal in hangings at all.
nubbins`: sure, and some who eat beef don't eat pork
nubbins`: some men prefer blondes
nubbins`: etc
mircea_popescu: but... pork and beef are still eaten
nubbins`: and people are still executed
mircea_popescu: some who care for antique vases don't care for antique knives ?
Vexual: and the whisky is arely in another castle
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: sure, and the same attraction to items from a time past is what brings people to collect both
mircea_popescu: maybe there's something here but perhaps too complicated to easily detach
nubbins`: this all stems from a quip, really
nubbins`: consider another angle: humans are driven to have sex because of sexual urges. doesn't mean all humans want to have sex with both genders
nubbins`: some prefer one, some the other, some both. but the motivation stems from the same source
mircea_popescu: which quip, the vulnerability ?
mircea_popescu: afaik women kinda throw up at it.
nubbins`: "gore is basically porno"
mircea_popescu: a, a. they're both taboo transgressive, but i doubt they're the same thing really.
nubbins`: sure, a stretch
mircea_popescu: the hunter enjoys seeing gazelles gutted and females fucked.
nubbins`: but the common taboo is vulnerability
mircea_popescu: doesn't actually mean either women are goats or fucking is gutting, i dun think
nubbins`: point i was making, i guess, is of course people jacked off at hangings
Vexual: it might mean you can't shoot a dove if it's nesting
mircea_popescu: how is vulnerability a taboo ?
nubbins`: i'm sure there were people jacking off in the theatre when you saw "consent" or w/e it's called
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you should hire Vexual to do atc shilling i tell you.
Vexual: incase some brave housecat is deprived of duck milk?
nubbins`: the vulnerability itself isn't a taboo
nubbins`: the arousal from it is
nubbins`: guilty pleasure
nubbins`: "i'd sure hate for that to happen to me" as one gleefully watches
nubbins`: not too gleefully, though
mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://trilema.com/2010/imaginarium/ that's how a theatre looks when i go.
nubbins`: looks like a lecture hall
nubbins`: ^ disregard, that was a useless statement
mircea_popescu: it's actually an old style cinema. built in the 70s, like 1100 places
Vexual: they you have some balkan craftsmen alter the stage
nubbins`: you really did have a lot more comments when you posted in romanian, huh
mircea_popescu: nubbins` about 90k over ~3-4 years, 20 a day or something
mircea_popescu: romanians still comment and so on, the english speaker is pretty blaze.
mircea_popescu: i doubt people comment once per 100 articles they read.
nubbins`: in the english-speaking world, website comments are generally considered to be the lowest form of discourse
mircea_popescu: kinda silly, at least on trilema. but hey.
nubbins`: just below bathroom graffiti
Vexual: romania was catapaulted out of opression with the internet
mircea_popescu: i blame disqus and google for it tbh
nubbins`: someone showed me a picture of a bathroom with "dick surgery or die" written on the wall
nubbins`: recognized the bathroom, to this day have not found the writing
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nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i blame news websites
mircea_popescu: no, because those exist in romanian too and they're just as dumpster-y.
nubbins`: they're great if you want to know what idiots and bigots think on a given topic
Vexual: id be scared shitless if i read that in lumberjack country
Vexual: if i ever go to canadia im shitting in the snow
nubbins`: you know we have toilets here
nubbins`: real ones
Vexual: as in not truck stops?
ThickAsThieves: i always thought maybe people like horror and spanking and sci fi and apocalypse because of depravation from survivalistic lifestyle or something
nubbins`: truck stops, we have
ThickAsThieves: hunter with no need to hunt
nubbins`: no squatter toilets tho
mircea_popescu: you mean deprivation or depravity ?
ThickAsThieves: deprivation, sry
ThickAsThieves: hunter with no need to hunt, caregiver with nothing to care about
nubbins`: popularity of disaster/apocalypse stuff is more a product of the times
ThickAsThieves: smack, horror, boom
Vexual: gonna happen more when a human can't find a square mile to themselves
nubbins`: but sure, thrills are thrilling for those who don't get thrilled much
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Vexual: waking up is a trhill for me
nubbins`: not me
Vexual: fuck mano -10 would take my breath away
nubbins`: it's fine if you're dressed for it!
nubbins`: Canada Goose parkas are really popular here the past few years
Vexual: breathing it in would be like a menthos marbolro
Vexual: except herero
nubbins`: not because they're necessary (srsly, an expedition parka at this latitude?)
mod6: dealt with -20 (or worse) all January.
nubbins`: but because famous people wear them when visiting canada
Mats_cd03: why the fuck does FX show archer at 3AM EST
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg4913471#msg4913471
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance?
mircea_popescu: check this shit out.
Mats_cd03: praise to ozbot
mircea_popescu: mpex will cease to exist because some pick up artist said things at some conference.
nubbins`: heh
ThickAsThieves: okay i watched the video
mircea_popescu: he doesn't know about how mpex ceased to exist in 2012 because nefario said things at another conference.
nubbins`: well it totally happ... wait
Vexual: did he stutter?
ThickAsThieves: and it doesnt add up
mircea_popescu: and at least at THAT one even rms showed up
ThickAsThieves: Open Transactions is, from what i can tell, a server-distributed ledger, based on last signed & verified receipt
mircea_popescu: i look forward to anon forum derps explaining how mpex will sitll be ceasing to exist in 2025
mircea_popescu: because some yet another social media nobody is saying things.
mircea_popescu: saying dude. if only i knew saying is what makes this world run.
mircea_popescu: fml.
Mats_cd03: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/2767062f8f65aa6490cddb837f564c1b/tumblr_mxk6tlh7IF1qauqewo1_1280.jpg
Vexual: mp are you jimmothy?
Mats_cd03: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/7014f560e1462b9e1f20716f574d5b26/tumblr_mx74vfbwls1srp1r8o1_1280.jpg
Mats_cd03: mp is every poster in that thread
Vexual: i wonder if i could melt jimmothy
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 dude stop ruining my well laid out plans.
Vexual: six years of sloths suck oughtta do it
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: well... youre not OP right? that would be a master stroke
mircea_popescu: open penis ?
ThickAsThieves: closed heart
mircea_popescu: lol
Mats_cd03: google search for "years of sloths" yields 2 results
Mats_cd03: what the fuck does that mean
mircea_popescu: but it is kind-of funny that people with a clue suspect me of actually sockpuppeting as "mah enemies" on various sm sites.
nubbins`: op/ch
mircea_popescu: if those dorks knew that they're in fact working for me for free they'd prolly have a 2nd aneurism
nubbins`: i lel'd
Vexual: its kinda funny that people with a clue think i have a clue
ThickAsThieves: seems they dont know even when you tell them, so youre okay
Mats_cd03: the trick is to fake it until your fist is in their colon
mircea_popescu: recall that guy snackman ? "o, bitbet is screwed, i will spend a month saying bad things EVERYWHERE, like on places that matter such as reddit"
Vexual: that never works mat
Mats_cd03: then they're your sockpuppet... colon puppet... sort of
mircea_popescu: suckpuppet ?
mircea_popescu: there's like... sock puppets, when you make the account and use it to further your interests
mircea_popescu: then there's suckpuppets, when random derps make the account to spite you
Mats_cd03: suckpuppet might work, although that just made me recall the auditory sound of a fist leaving an asshole
mircea_popescu: and end up helping involuntarily.
nubbins`: ah, i just got reminded of eskimobob
mircea_popescu: well that'd be an adequate fx.
Vexual: by jimmothy nubs?
Mats_cd03: slurrrrrp
Mats_cd03: is the sound that would make
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 no it's more like a slpop
Mats_cd03: i havent seen enough fisting videos to refute your claim
Mats_cd03: you win
nubbins`: Vexual, his name was brought up in the mpex scientology thread
mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever seen a video
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you're too young to recall ciuciu huh
nubbins`: i have
Mats_cd03: so fisting is a regular event in your life then
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, before my time
mircea_popescu: well not so regular, but you gotta try things once in a while.
nubbins`: ~nov 2012 i started dabbling
Vexual: http://vimeo.com/67227980
mircea_popescu: lemme see if there's a pastable bit
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nubbins`: didn't quit my job til feb 2013
Vexual: fired yet?
nubbins`: so there was a period of like 4 months there where i wasn't much in tune with everything
Mats_cd03: the human colon is a remarkable thing
nubbins`: Vexual, i've never been fired
nubbins`: never been broken up with
nubbins`: only good things happen to me
Mats_cd03: i wonder how many of my daily accessories i could fit in my ass if i tried
Vexual: yeah but you're were a boss at birth
nubbins`: after a fashion
Mats_cd03: lets see... gum, wallet, phone, hand sanitizer, moleskine, pen,
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2012 no dice ;/
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: :(
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nubbins`: hand sanitizer, seriously?
mircea_popescu: guy was on my ignore so i dun have local logs so...
nubbins`: i don't get this sanitizer thing
nubbins`: okay, anecdote
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 "He'd be damned if any slope's gonna put their greasy, yellow hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it in one place he knew he could hide something - his ass. Five long years he wore this watch up his ass. Then, he died of dysentery. He give me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. Now, little man, I give the watch to y
mircea_popescu: ou."
nubbins`: i was at the gym yesterday
nubbins`: there's a small metal box on the wall with a lock on top that hides the temperature controls for the room or w/e
nubbins`: some asshole walks up and sticks his hand underneath it
Mats_cd03: that seems familiar but i always thought the story was about a jew
nubbins`: looks mildly confused when hand sanitizer doesn't squirt out
nubbins`: and walks away
Mats_cd03: i use hand sanitizer to get the smell of smokes off my body
nubbins`: no you don't
Mats_cd03: and gum to remove it from my mouth
nubbins`: you use it to think it gets the smell of smokes off your body
nubbins`: truth is, you fucking reek like smoke after having a cigarette
nubbins`: ask anyone around you who doesn't smoke
Mats_cd03: i'm not a cigarette scientist okay i can only do so much about the cigarette smoke
Vexual: nuns carries half a pund of skunk to get the smell of smoke off his breath
mircea_popescu: lol
Vexual: scientician
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mircea_popescu: Vexual runs one of the funniest markov chain bots ever.
Mats_cd03: and the smoke touches my hand and mouth, so hand sanitizer and gum is how it goes
nubbins`: lel ^
Vexual: im from the ponds institute
nubbins`: vexual, ive been quit for 2 years 3 months and uh
nubbins`: 19 days
mircea_popescu: i've been smoking since i was ~15.
nubbins`: i only smoked for 5 years
mircea_popescu: takes me about 6 to 10 weeks to go through a pack.
nubbins`: started at age 25, feel free to have a lel
nubbins`: took me 20-24 hours
nubbins`: sometimes less
mircea_popescu: thats a little exaggerate.
nubbins`: occasionally i'd smoke 20 darts over the course of an evening
mircea_popescu: don't eat any viagra.
nubbins`: nor drink any red bull
nubbins`: alkie friend of mine got cut off from red bull one night at the bar
Mats_cd03: lol
mircea_popescu: lol this reminds me of kramer and his cappucino deal
mircea_popescu: "i feel like i'm talking a little fast but you can'treally tell"
nubbins`: he says "you know how hard it is to drink six glasses of coke?"
nubbins`: downs 4 red bulls, screams his lungs out on a stage for 45 minutes
mircea_popescu: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26014387
ozbot: BBC News - Corruption across EU 'breathtaking' - EU Commission
mircea_popescu: The extent of corruption in Europe is "breathtaking" and it costs the EU economy at least 120bn euros (£99bn) annually, the European Commission says.
nubbins`: his heartbeat felt like a fucking dubstep club
mircea_popescu: sounds like a great reason to move here.
Mats_cd03: http://craftastrophe.net/2008/11/keep-your-money-safe-in-your-vagina/
ozbot: Keep Your Money Safe – in Your Vagina | Craftastrophe
Mats_cd03: for the friend you hate that has everything...
nubbins`: the header on that website is pretty amazing
Mats_cd03: i am particularly amused by the header
Vexual: wheres the best place in realeurope for an australian to live?
nubbins`: reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQO-aOdJLiw
nubbins`: vexual, you won't want to miss ^
mircea_popescu: Vexual spain if you like fat whores, romania if you like slender whores.
Mats_cd03: theres even hair glued onto the wallet
ThickAsThieves: must be french
Vexual: this hurts more than trilema
Mats_cd03: ^ lol
nubbins`: hahaha it's almost too much
Vexual: and remids me how i got frozen squid instead of statchcock
Vexual: good lamb, you buy
Vexual: antidote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VnG3RmZ1sQ
nubbins`: unexpected side effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY
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Vexual: can one walk around speaking english at everyone in romania?
mircea_popescu: sure.
Vexual: will it float?
nubbins`: was waiting for the actual question :D
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mircea_popescu: bout the same as it serves you here...
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nubbins`: !b 6 ✂︎
Vexual: hmmmm
nubbins`: problem with !b is that it's easy to fuck up
mircea_popescu: famous last words
nubbins`: s/!b/*
mircea_popescu: "problem with this linux box/kalashnikov/cuisinart/etc"
nubbins`: protip: it's not a problem
nubbins`: :D
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.msg4917085#msg4917085
ozbot: Why MP is your God.
mircea_popescu: this dude actually thinks they tailor polo shirts ?!
mircea_popescu: it's trollage, right ?
nubbins`: http://tsgroupuae.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/polo01.jpg
nubbins`: that's a polo shirt
nubbins`: is that what you wear under your vest? :\
nubbins`: oh, wait, i cnat raed
mircea_popescu: holy moses on a stick, someone sell him some original haagen-dasz
mircea_popescu: imported from danishland
Vexual: the cowspiders made me sick
nubbins`: Vexual, :(
nubbins`: ovine > bovine
Vexual: no, i have the fear
nubbins`: try placing a bare foot on the ground
Vexual: yeah that worked, thanks
nubbins`: np, it's a good one to remember
Vexual: yeah, the feedback loop swas that it made me forget i had feet
Vexual: funny how secrets travel
mircea_popescu: let's do a game of guess. so my driver (who's really a retired ceo guy, lots of fun) dropped off his 10yo kid to whatever kid social function before picking me up, but didn't go all the way because the street was muddy and his car freshly washed. so the kid had to walk like 100 yards. gets called on phone, kid is affraid of DOGS111!! doesn't know what to do pls help. what does the guy do ?
Vexual: txt him a spoonful of cement?
Vexual: drive back
mircea_popescu: giving away like a promise to pay 1 atc once i get some to the first person that gets the right answer.
mircea_popescu: Vexual no and no.
Vexual: pick you up?
mircea_popescu: well of course, the reason i know about this is cause i was in the car when he got called.
Vexual: is there only one answer?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: only one answer, only one altcoin.
mike_c: told him to bark at the dog
mircea_popescu: mike_c pretty much. spent ten minutes yelling in the phone at the top of his lungs telling the kid what a little shitling it is
mike_c: hehe
mircea_popescu: "what the fuck do you mean dogs. EAT THEM!!1"
mircea_popescu: "if i come home and you've eaten no dog i'm going to spank you!"
Vexual: its not really a spoonful of cement if you have to call the kid
asciilifeform: korean driver?
mircea_popescu: so eventually he's done yelling and im like "you got a point there, gotta get the kid scared-er of you than the dogs, then he'll be fine"
mircea_popescu: he goes "d'oh"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, he's romanian.
asciilifeform: afaik every man who came of age in the post-soviet lands has eaten dog (army)
mircea_popescu: well i suspect the eating part was metaphorical.
mircea_popescu: tho... you never know with this nut.
Vexual: can he fiz a tyre?
asciilifeform: people tell me guard dogs still end up on the rotisserie now and again.
mircea_popescu: we never had a flat so far.
Mats_cd03: i dont understand why you would eat dog instead of all the other animals in existence
Vexual: that was a typo, but the question stands, jason statham stylee
mircea_popescu: mike_c i owe you an atc.
Mats_cd03: its not as though theyre particularly tasty
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 to make a point
mike_c: i'll get an address and let you know.
mircea_popescu: mike_c not that i have any yet ;/ a-hole miners ain't selling
Vexual: ill pay
mike_c: too many hoarders!
mircea_popescu: you got some v ?
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: because the 'grandpas' (conscripts close to getting their walking papers) ate yer dinner, and the red army conveniently provided you with a dog.
Mats_cd03: truly man's greatest companion
Vexual: yah
mircea_popescu: Vexual pay the man!
Vexual: im pretty sure you can make a adkey like bitcoin?
nubbins`: oh yeah, i forgot
nubbins`: vexual is huge into atc isn't he?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
Vexual: yeah man i found 8 blocks
nubbins`: nice
nubbins`: congrats
nubbins`: that's altmazing
Vexual: its supersceded my single radeon now
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mircea_popescu: what's diff like ?
nubbins`: grown up already
Vexual: dunno i gave up
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, apparently btcguild merge-mines it now
Vexual: altname>?
nubbins`: i kid ;(
mircea_popescu: My thesis about taper is that the banks in the U.S. had mortgage bonds on their books probably close to the tune of a trillion dollars that they could not sell to anyone. It was dead money, and they had to write them off somehow. The problem with writing off close to a trillion dollars’ worth of mortgage bonds that were held in all the U.S. banks is that kind of money is probably more than the total market capitali
mircea_popescu: zation of the U.S. banking industry. So, they had to figure a way to get those mortgage bonds off the books of the banks and silo them somewhere without basically admitting that the U.S. banking system was insolvent.”
mircea_popescu: (Rob Kirby)
Mats_cd03: the eurozone is about to experience the same thing are they not
nubbins`: the history of us banking is pretty much "we had to figure out how to pretend we didn't shit the bed"
Mats_cd03: i recall something on reuters, although min was 1bln rather than 1t
mircea_popescu: basically, the fed has about 2-3 trillion worth of dead money in its 4trn balance sheet.
nubbins`: "maybe if we make it illegal to own white sheets" etc
mircea_popescu: nubbins` central banking, yes.
Vexual: whois bonds for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 not quite. no eu fed, fortunately.
mod6: atc diff: 16384.00000000
nubbins`: bank of canada governor got hired by the bank of england a while ago
mircea_popescu: mod6 whoa that setlltes the bet.
nubbins`: summer i think
mod6: wow: "blocks" : 15753
mod6: was at like ~12000 on saturday
mircea_popescu: only ?!
mircea_popescu: can't be 15k get out.
Vexual: even
mod6: but diff was 4096 then too
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/03/europe-banks-emergingmarkets-idUSL5N0L82MO20140203
Mats_cd03: so...not at all like what i was thinking about
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 "exposure to emerging markets" != "money nobody is ever repaying, period".
mircea_popescu: yes, i get it, the us is trying to create a periphery crisis to (yet again) shift the focus.
mircea_popescu: the previous attempts didn't work, as nobody really cares what the english press is saying outside of the us space anyway.
mircea_popescu: it's mostly a case of a guy with terminal cancer inventing sneezes and other health emergencies in the hospital staff.
Mats_cd03: im curious to see how the power dynamic between the us and china changes as the chinese move into a consumption phase
Vexual: lol consumption phase
mircea_popescu: the chinese ain't moving into the consumption phase tho
Vexual: they couldnt slow growth if they nuked bejing
mircea_popescu: they might have, maybe, unlikely. this crisis is saving them from it for suire.
Mats_cd03: a friend of mine who designs env filtration systems told me some good stories about china
Mats_cd03: he was there this last year for six months in the north, and apparently everything is literally polluted
Mats_cd03: e.g. in the touristy areas of beijing/shanghai they sometimes spray the grass green
Vexual: welsome to earth
nubbins`: !t h hif
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Mats_cd03: there was also a good one about pigs being poisoned by some feed or other
Mats_cd03: which he happened to see driving by a local river
Mats_cd03: said pigs were floating in the dozens downstream
Mats_cd03: i wish i had gotten that photo from him...
asciilifeform: 'patience is to sit on a river bank and wait for the corpse of your enemy to come floating by'
Mats_cd03: .cn farmer said fuck it i'll just dump these pig bodies into the water and try again
Mats_cd03: he claims literally every single source of water in china is polluted
nubbins`: "If you go to that subreddit [doge] people don't know what the fark they are doing but it doesn't matter--they are tipping, they are giving to charity, they are having FUN. Everyone is friendly and very excited--it's a very stark contrast to here. There seems to be a lot of new crypto users joining there instead of here. A LOT of new crypto users."
CryptFox: Where's captian planet when you need him most?
nubbins`: not sure if srs
Vexual: how was morocco?
mircea_popescu: delurking lurkers say the strangest things
nubbins`: lovely
nubbins`: the countryside was nice
nubbins`: in particular
Vexual: no doubt, did they put you to work?
asciilifeform: meat in the sun, plenty of little users! wings a-buzzing.
nubbins`: too hot for work
mircea_popescu: nubbins` crushing doge is a lot of fun, for sure.
nubbins`: guy is on the verge of tears because btc isn't taking lessons from doge
mircea_popescu: because totally "crypto user" = fucktard saying words on rettardit.
nubbins`: /r/bitcoin is all grown-uppy and boring now
nubbins`: and mathy
mircea_popescu: and besides, we want more fucktards so desperately. like, not enough, must have more.
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: a thousand times ^
mircea_popescu: "mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to glbse and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1"
mircea_popescu: glbse sinks
mircea_popescu: "mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to btct and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1"
nubbins`: Vexual, i met a norwegian guy one day in a village
mircea_popescu: btct closes
mircea_popescu: etc.
nubbins`: was checking out this place that produces argan oil
nubbins`: "this shit smells like hash"
Vexual: no doubt
nubbins`: but in fact it was the norwegian guy's fat draw that smelled like hash
nubbins`: made more sense then
Vexual: wheres my ship?
Vexual: north brah, north
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_4dCEiaRlc
ozbot: John Lee Hooker & Van Morrison - I Cover The Waterfront - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00092112 = 16.5802 BTC [-]
nubbins`: your ship had trouble with the fog
Mats_cd03: i'm watching a natgeo program called Bomb Hunters
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/whisky-and-wieners-paired-for-nlc-promo-1.2521368
ozbot: Whisky and wieners paired for NLC promo - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
Mats_cd03: quite good
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWC7z859Psc&feature=kp
ozbot: The Save, by Jeff Lang - YouTube
Vexual: to satoshi
Vexual: and all kde haters
Vexual: not guatamalian enough?
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U
ozbot: Phil Collins - Sussudio (Official Video) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1199 @ 0.00082007 = 0.9833 BTC [-] {13}
mod6: srsly Vexual?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1301 @ 0.00079993 = 1.0407 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: serious
mod6: Suss-suss-cereal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.002984 = 0.185 BTC [+]
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnK3DrM0xuY
ozbot: Icy Blu - Pump It (Nice An' Hard) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4918218#msg4918218
ozbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: kraken fucks up to a massive degree ;/
Vexual: yeah you get squid
mircea_popescu: dude after all the futzing they did with betas and everyhing... i'm dissapointed
mircea_popescu: i was srsly expecting much more of this troop.
mircea_popescu: and to top it off it looks like they can't cover the ~1mn damage and are splitting.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431273.msg4906752#msg4906752 << you're the fool, yo!
Vexual: this is why bricks and mortar casions explain their position with a taste of asphalt
mircea_popescu: why bother ?
mircea_popescu: asphalt is expensive, Mats_cd03 has to clean it afterwards etc.
Vexual: well in a physical environment they start to smell
asciilifeform: the beauty of btc is that lusers mix their own cement.
mircea_popescu: too true.
Vexual: on the internet siz weeks without a show aint shit
Vexual: im channeling ghosts coz that said six showers when i typed it
Vexual: what colour is goats shirt?
Vexual: 1 atc for answer
Vexual: zuric i win
Vexual: mice_c you got an ad yet?
Vexual: mike_c ive got shit to do
mike_c: not yet. i'm sure we'll bump into each other again.
Vexual: a bc add will suffice i think
Vexual: this aint lc
Vexual: markov says tommorrow wont do
mircea_popescu: lmao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.03400098 = 0.85 BTC [+] {5}
mike_c: btc is good? then 18B61TqudC7pwqHP1J52eJwYx7ycwFtV2p
Vexual: i think so
Vexual: nooone knows
Vexual: you own the privkey?
mike_c: um, yes?
Vexual: very good mr hunt
Vexual: sent
Mats_cd03: you have A(D),10(S) pre-flop what do you do
Mats_cd03: flop is 10JQ (D/S/S) do you play and what are your chances on 1) flush or 2) straight
Vexual: play the ace
mike_c: thanks vex. now i am diversified.
ThickAsThieves: "shipping after Feb 8th. AntMiner U1 is an USB miner with 1 BM1380 chip. Rated 1.6 GH/s, 2 watt power from the USB port."
mircea_popescu: lmao diversified.
ThickAsThieves: after Feb 8th, perfect!
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 you fold.
ThickAsThieves: 500 units for 18 btc
Vexual: external power s dont count
Mats_cd03: good answer, you fold
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49250 @ 0.00092714 = 45.6616 BTC [+] {3}
Mats_cd03: playing A10 unsuited is bad, i wouldnt even play A10 suited if i was down
Vexual: i assumed the suit was favourable
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/us-postal-service-bitcoin-exchanges/
ThickAsThieves: http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/u-s-post-office-bitcoin/
Mats_cd03: i forget what the odds are on a straight
Mats_cd03: but with a flush if there are 4 out on flop then your chances are 1/3 river+turn
mike_c: really?
Mats_cd03: i read it in a book once
Vexual: gotta look in the eyes
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUvueqBJhJs
ozbot: Damian & Stephen Marley & Inner Circle - Smoke Gets In My Eyes (original version) - YouTube
Vexual: otherwise play the ace
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 420 @ 0.002984 = 1.2533 BTC [+]
Vexual: poker is raerely won on odds
Mats_cd03: against scrubs, maybe
Vexual: seals fucker?
Mats_cd03: i subscribe to the four levels of poker
Vexual: do tell
Mats_cd03: 1) playing the cards 2) playing the opposition 3) playing what you think the opposition has 4) playing based on what you believe the opposition believes you hold
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.04178024 = 3.3424 BTC [-] {8}
Vexual: its more of a cham,pur tho no?
Mats_cd03: wut
Vexual: le mis?
mike_c: 5) play based on what the opposition believes you believe the opposition believes you hold
Vexual: *le mix?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 60 @ 0.02998996 = 1.7994 BTC [+] {6}
ThickAsThieves: 6) Go with your gut
Mats_cd03: too many levels, i'm falling off a bridge into a lake from inside a van
ThickAsThieves: so the USG takes over money transfer via the Post Office?
Mats_cd03: i like that
ThickAsThieves: kill off Western Union
Vexual: ive already told matty im playing every ace, so hes behind
ThickAsThieves: at least then they keep more tx in their purview
ThickAsThieves: dirty up them coins real good
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMYWC0tMZsk
ozbot: Matty B - Fridays - YouTube
Mats_cd03: western union is worse than aids
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02969 = 0.3266 BTC [-]
Vexual: goodles not looking to implelent wu
ThickAsThieves: what the price of tea in china in bitcoin?
Vexual: or do you mean you're not sure if you got it or not?
Vexual: 0.0001 per refil?
ThickAsThieves: aids?
mircea_popescu: 7) you are the god of poker so just play whatever you feel like
ThickAsThieves: nah i'm clean
mircea_popescu: and it'll sort out in the end
Vexual: 7 has it
Vexual: yeah wester union is like aids coz you dont know if you got it
Vexual: and otherways not so much
Mats_cd03: no theres no subtext wu just sucks
Vexual: yeah, wait 6 weeks for nothing special
Vexual: a-holes
Mats_cd03: i dont get why it costs so much or takes so long
Mats_cd03: theyre flipping bits and manning retail locations
Mats_cd03: what a genius, hateful business model
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hKiePrCV8o
ozbot: Jacob Miller - Tenement Yard - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00092763 = 17.5322 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: speed just isnt as profitable for them
ThickAsThieves: of course soon it will be
Vexual: will they start sending bc?
ThickAsThieves: i suspect they se it coming
ThickAsThieves: see
ThickAsThieves: when?
ThickAsThieves: when their lawyers say ok
Vexual: meanwhile google has already tooled up wallet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.0005 = 0.15 BTC [-]
Vexual: because matercard lawyers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.111 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
Vexual: and satoshi prevails
Vexual: its well clever
Mats_cd03: when 99% of your revenue is from ads, you can do wutever you want
Vexual: knowing what kind of shampoo i use aint no ace
Vexual: for everything else, theres bitcoin
mod6: :]
ThickAsThieves: for the altcoiner who has everything, bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: for the altcoiner who has everything, Altcoin*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18084 @ 0.00092588 = 16.7436 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: so does this coingeninator have any hope of existing?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4920519#msg4920519
mircea_popescu: you got your work cut out for you.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves actually, yes
jayk: nope
jayk: ;o
mircea_popescu: ". For many people, Bitcoin is the first time they experienced a paradigm shift in a very long time. It's exciting to have your world rocked, but Bitcoin is not a casting call for paradigm-shifters"
mircea_popescu: dude i love you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00092763 = 3.1539 BTC [+]
Vexual: doeth fridcats trading system exist at all yet?
ThickAsThieves: it exists
ThickAsThieves: i dont really know why they dont implement
ThickAsThieves: i think its a horrible idea
ThickAsThieves: maybe they came to same realization
Vexual: well you would
ThickAsThieves: no, all bias aside for reals
ThickAsThieves: FC doesnt want more customer service
herbijudlestoids: trollsaywhat!
ThickAsThieves: (i assume)
Vexual: yeah
Vexual: whod be a pimp huh?
Namworld: Advertising on BitBet is good. I'd recommend.
mircea_popescu: o srsly ?
Namworld: Why, yes
mircea_popescu: cool
mircea_popescu: i was just wondering how it works in report footnotes :p
Namworld: footnotes?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-january-2014-statement/#footnote_3_52636
ozbot: BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: and with that my dear chitlins i bid you a very good laters!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9216 @ 0.00092588 = 8.5329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12184 @ 0.00092446 = 11.2636 BTC [-]
Vexual: ThickAsThieves, is it on testnet?
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wylq6/if_you_ever_used_bitinstant_in_the_past_i_bet/
ozbot: If you ever used bitinstant in the past, I bet MtGox just locked the funding options on your account
ThickAsThieves: Vexual i dont know
ThickAsThieves: dunno current status
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00092446 = 6.1939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39318 @ 0.00092175 = 36.2414 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 227 @ 0.0005 = 0.1135 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29393 @ 0.00092041 = 27.0536 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00092098 = 23.3008 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12299999 = 0.615 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14489999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10232 @ 0.00092098 = 9.4235 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 87083 @ 0.00011979 = 10.4317 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.5691522 = 7.9681 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.54547241 = 15.8187 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14366 @ 0.0009272 = 13.3202 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.148 = 0.296 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00092156 = 8.9852 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.15 = 3.45 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.0445 = 0.2225 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00092378 = 10.6235 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
kakobrekla: we lost about 100km of 440kV line
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29307 @ 0.00092062 = 26.9806 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5593 @ 0.00091992 = 5.1451 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7341 @ 0.00091992 = 6.7531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1937 @ 0.00092309 = 1.788 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26762 @ 0.00092742 = 24.8196 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04549998 = 0.2275 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00092744 = 4.4517 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00092766 = 32.4681 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.00469188 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.02969 = 0.5344 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.16572999 = 3.3146 BTC [+] {10}
herbijud1estoids: hullo
herbijud1estoids: anyone about
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+]
jurov: hi herbi
herbijud1estoids: whats happening jurov?
herbijud1estoids: seems like youre the only one around this time of night
jurov: lol i'm in cest. just came from lunch
jurov: *er... CET
jurov: gonna have coffee, look around the btcland
herbijud1estoids: in australia there is a website called menulog that allows you to order from local resturaunts (that participate) online...lots of them have deals, my fav one delivered me free dinner tonight :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
jurov: and hen work some... one of these slow days
jurov: yees, smae here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.02969 = 0.6532 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57986674 BTC [+]
jurov: but when one has good restaurant over a corner
jurov: where they serve you menu for 4.35 euro (and they cook well, rarely i have to order something else)
jurov: why bother calling pizza man?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.24310363 = 1.7017 BTC {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00092812 = 12.8081 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: yurp way of life, ya know...everything in walking distance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16831 @ 0.0009292 = 15.6394 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5369 @ 0.00092942 = 4.9901 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 45 @ 0.0049 = 0.2205 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 24 @ 0.00500831 = 0.1202 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: i used menulog until they fucked me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00092946 = 19.1933 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00595746 = 0.1013 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.04696427 = 0.9862 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5357 @ 0.00092954 = 4.9795 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00092954 = 13.4783 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 22 @ 0.00698568 = 0.1537 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8736 @ 0.00092581 = 8.0879 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 14 @ 0.0077005 = 0.1078 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.0825 = 0.165 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00092601 = 15.1866 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0058 = 0.406 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999997 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 14 @ 0.00776871 = 0.1088 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: i dont particularly like eating outside
chetty: cooking for yourself = better/safer/cheaper
kakobrekla: i dunno about safer but yeah, better and cheaper
kakobrekla: :)
kakobrekla: but i enjoy privacy really, and you normally dont get that eating outside
truffles: nobody cares that u like blood sausauages
davout: blood sausage is awesome and i do care
truffles: orly
jurov: if you like cooking for yourself that's awesome
jurov: i just gave up
kakobrekla: no no
kakobrekla: i like other cooking for me
kakobrekla: others
kakobrekla: just make it in my kitchen
truffles: davout can u make it?
kakobrekla: truffles i slaugthered a pig and drained the blood for those when i was a kid
kakobrekla: also made the sausages (but at a different time)
davout: as in cook it? or actually make it?
kakobrekla: make them
truffles: make the whole thing
davout: ah no
truffles: kako ure such a brute
kakobrekla: you are such pussy
truffles: hehe
truffles: u wouldnt say that standing next to me :D
kakobrekla: you think id have a problem draining your blood?
truffles: ud have to get it 1st
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999999 BTC [+]
truffles: not that pigs just stand there and take it put
truffles: hmm maybe they do nm
kakobrekla: the pig was prolly two or three times your weight
jurov: we did not have pigs, but chicken,and my fav food were dumplings made from fresh chicken blood
kakobrekla: well, i didnt do it alone ofc.
davout: (and half the smell)
jurov: helped to mde them too
truffles: exactly
truffles: it wasnt a solo job
truffles: a human would make more effort
kakobrekla: well i think you make an excellent case study
kakobrekla: come on over
truffles: haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16644 @ 0.00092601 = 15.4125 BTC [+]
truffles: if u invite me i might not leave :D
kakobrekla: you defo wont leave.
truffles: lol
jurov: we can propose to mircea to put complete pig slaughter into conference program
kakobrekla: yeah like team building excercise
kakobrekla: GET THAT PIG!!
jurov: and only excuse taken would be to swore under the law one's vegetarian
kakobrekla: fuck veggs, they smell bad.
truffles: not the other way around?
kakobrekla: smell vegs, they fuck bad?
truffles: ive heard their parts smell nice
kakobrekla: bout as nice as cows.
kakobrekla: once i went on a trip with some people for bout 10 days
truffles: thats something u could actually do trial for!!
kakobrekla: only later found out they are all veggies
kakobrekla: it was horrible.
truffles: because carrots?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18125 @ 0.00092749 = 16.8108 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: tbh, as long as they cook well, i don't give a fuck. i was on similar such retreats, rainbow family and whatnot
kakobrekla: they were all farting like a motherfuckers
kakobrekla: it also affected me
kakobrekla: i couldnt stand myself
truffles: there are some things id like to try like tofu or certain veggie as meat substitutes
jurov: pffft, a little cereal coffee will do
kakobrekla: or a little meat
kakobrekla: ya know
jurov: i found out i actually fart most from bread
jurov: as long as they cooked veggies and legumes, it was fine
truffles: kako will take notes on that jurov
jurov: on what? the pig slaughter? yes go on, by all means
kakobrekla: the what?
truffles: dietry requirements
truffles: a
kakobrekla: dont ya have better things to do?
truffles: me? no
kakobrekla: so sad.
truffles: i was midway doing "better thing"
jurov: and i haven't even close to some requirements
jurov: cuz i was talking about things i don't give a fuck of, not requirements
jurov: as long as it tastes good i can't be bothered if there's meat or no
truffles: dont u dislike when uve done something, it has updated now u have to refigure out how it works!
truffles: +1 jurov
mircea_popescu: that's like bisexuality. "as long as i feel good i don't care if there's meat or not"
jurov: oh, that' more like pansexuality
truffles: 0.0
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
mircea_popescu: s/meat/manmeat
jurov: truffles and what i have to refigure?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.13585714 = 0.951 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
truffles: i do not u ldo
truffles: its like playing chess again in years
truffles: id like to complete this chess thing asap
truffles: nubbins.........
jurov: good things come to those who wait
BingoBoingo: truffles: play nubbins' yet? Has Namworld?
truffles: i dont know
truffles: if it doesnt happen soon im gonna be like watevz
mircea_popescu: diametric re the structure and hierarchy discussion : consider this problem http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/
truffles: rather play speed chess
mircea_popescu: strictly an artefact of the flat national state. does not exist in sane environments.
mircea_popescu: and it is fundamentally not a scam, but an example of structure ATTACKING flatness.
truffles: is that your manual mp?
truffles: must be juicy read
mircea_popescu: structure is being reconstructed, which at the very far edge of course looks quite immoral. everything does. the civilising of barbarians, be they africans or 5 year olds, the birth of capitaism,
mircea_popescu: all attacks of a complex, superior system upon a primitive look like rape. in a sense they are.
mircea_popescu: in that sense, rape is the best thing that can ever happen to the victim.
truffles: sigh
mircea_popescu: converse attacks, where flatness attacks structure, can't even exist.
kakobrekla: hahahhahaha
kakobrekla: what the fuck
mircea_popescu: ThickerThanThiev ^
kakobrekla: Dear Crypto Street Customers,
kakobrekla: This is the final notice for you to withdraw any funds that you may have remaining on Crypto Street. Effective February 28th, all remaining funds will be lost forever and donated away. So please login and withdraw any coins in your account. Big news is coming, but for now we need to take care of these house keeping details.
kakobrekla: Sincerely,
kakobrekla: Shamoon
mircea_popescu: whoa ?
mircea_popescu: you had funds on cryptostreet ?!
kakobrekla: sometimes i think you dont know me any more
truffles: everything must go
kakobrekla: ofc i did not
mircea_popescu: lol
kakobrekla: i was however bashing them on the forums
kakobrekla: when they lauched
kakobrekla: and was the slanderous soul
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC
kakobrekla: HOW DARE YOU KAKO !!
mircea_popescu: it's prolly your fault they did it.
kakobrekla: whats important is that im the bad guy
kakobrekla: everywhere and always
jurov: you should have silenced them with boobs, like mpoe does
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00092566 = 27.2144 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: jurov indeed. being in the minority always helps.
mircea_popescu: (on the internet i mean)
kakobrekla: latest from slovenia zoo: lynx ate a chamois
mircea_popescu: wait why !?
kakobrekla: cause fense got torn down
kakobrekla: falling trees
mircea_popescu: i wonder how hungry a lynx has to get before it eats the chamois
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: they said they gave them more than normal amts of food
kakobrekla: in order to prevent such things
mircea_popescu: does look kinda juicy...
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/745/fico-will-be-elected-president-of-slovakia/ << i can't believe there's like 4 btc bet on who will be the president of slovakia
ozbot: BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia
mircea_popescu: watch that by 2016 the us pres election fails to gather that much attention.
jurov: this is how boob silencing is done irl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAdNS_vlBhA#t=2075
mircea_popescu: and it will be one of the funniest things in the entire history of btc / the century.
mircea_popescu: jurov couple old boobs keep talkin at each other ?
jurov: wait 10sec
mircea_popescu: ofeljie...
mircea_popescu: that sounds EXACTLY like o felie, which in romanian means "one loaf"
mircea_popescu: ahaha next scene
mircea_popescu: why the fuck has miss bdsm got 3 watches on ?
jurov: it was 1990s
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: so what, she's a psychotic prostitute you gotta pay in watches ?
mircea_popescu: one per number ?
jurov: dunno.. cezch film, you know,
davout: her teeth...
mircea_popescu: davout it's clearly paint.
mircea_popescu: i like how there's all the shitty halfcountries represented here. romania but no hungary, slovakia but no czech, slovenia but no croatia etc.
kakobrekla: erm
mircea_popescu: :D
kakobrekla: its the croatia that is the half county
kakobrekla: for the rest, i dont care.
mircea_popescu: my sarcasm! ehehehe
kakobrekla: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.0009302 = 37.301 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: if teh other romanians find out i said that about hungary ima have protests at the front door
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: course, what do tghey know of btc anyway.
jurov: ukraine needs to split too, we'll get more ppl here
mircea_popescu: maybe there's a guy from transnistria going "he-he-he" in his head right now.
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4922332#msg4922332 amazing security
ozbot: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
mircea_popescu: wait, still with this ?!
mircea_popescu: who was that dude going on about how art should be tyrant and there should be no memory ?
davout: pankkake: LOL
mircea_popescu: cause srsly, he's like the gold bugs : all his life preaching, now we're doing it and somehow he doesn't know about it.
mircea_popescu: "If you don't think these are a steal you haven't researched the company.
mircea_popescu: This price values us at a meagre 12 million USD for the entire 25mill shares."
mircea_popescu: so much win.
pankkake: getting logged as another user is actually a common bug, usually bad session rng
mircea_popescu: guy never saw a 10k bundle in his life, "meagre 12mn"
kakobrekla: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/31/footage-released-guardian-editors-snowden-hard-drives-gchq
ozbot: Footage released of Guardian editors destroying Snowden hard drives | UK news | theguardian.com
kakobrekla: drill the gpu
mircea_popescu: welcome to the internet kakobrekla. glad you got your power back. skip 3 days of "news" nao :D
pankkake: no backups?
kakobrekla: lol
Duffer1: if he's not a sock for ken himself then i get to look forward to commiserating with another scam victim
kakobrekla: im going back dark mp
kakobrekla: soon
mircea_popescu: how come ?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he sounds too stupid to ever admit it
kakobrekla: well the word is they will START to fix my area on SUNDAY
mircea_popescu: odds are he'll dump more of his meagre 0.000001 million on some other scammer.
kakobrekla: until then my house is powerless
Duffer1: you're not wrong
mircea_popescu: dude, seriously, come here. what's the big deal ? rent a place for a month, then go back.
kakobrekla: now im at another place in ljubljana
mircea_popescu: life is all about cheating.
mircea_popescu: ok, so they losing power too ?
kakobrekla: no, all is ok here, but i need to go back home to take care of some stuff
mircea_popescu: fuck the stuff, who cares. it's just stuff.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac
ozbot: George Carlin Talks About "Stuff" - YouTube
kakobrekla: well, the lifes of people are invovled
kakobrekla: lives
mircea_popescu: o
kakobrekla: then ill come back here
kakobrekla: either today late or tomorrow
kakobrekla: until sunday or something.
mircea_popescu: aite.
mircea_popescu: seriously look at 1 month sort of arrangements now.
mircea_popescu: you're better off wasting 0.2 BTC worth of rents
mircea_popescu: than having to patchwork twice every week
kakobrekla: the money is not the problem
mircea_popescu: right.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0475 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00092526 = 18.9678 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: http://ponzi.io/
kakobrekla: >Discuss Ponzi.io with fellow investors
kakobrekla: investors.
davout: hah
pankkake: it's honest and transparent
davout: i can't recall the name of the site that did the exact same thing in 2010
davout: wait
davout: what we need is a provably fair ponzi
davout: oh wait
pankkake: it already is, I think
davout: yes
davout: i didn't realize the addy was static
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise static addies were usable or useful.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0009296 = 11.7594 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/45b61e5e90a0e95d17daf51aba7254bb/tumblr_mhbnsvbRsF1ru15g3o1_500.jpg << speaking of "deer in the headlights"
kakobrekla: looks like farting position
davout: doesn't look like they're resending from the same address tho
mircea_popescu: hahaha farting position
kakobrekla: 14:43.58 ( Ken` ) 8:43 AM <RaTTuS|BIG> [11:52] <BitCoroner> MagicalTux: why can't we see the raw transactions anymore on https://data.mtgox.com/api/0/bitcoin_tx.php ?
kakobrekla: 14:43.59 ( Ken` ) 8:43 AM <RaTTuS|BIG> [11:53] <@MagicalTux> BitCoroner, because phantomcircuit found a security issue with showing this
mircea_popescu: i didn't know girls farted.
kakobrekla: konspiraci
mircea_popescu: lol wait. wut !? phantomcircuit FINDS security holes ?
mircea_popescu: i thought he just makes them
davout: mircea_popescu: they usually start a couple weeks after marriage
kakobrekla: at this point i think phantom has all gox btc
mircea_popescu: davout i once heard anal sex momentarily paralyzes the colon. so if you do her in the pooper three times a month...
mircea_popescu: no farting.
davout: heh
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's a great move, seeing how well he handled bitcoinica. the only reasonable explanation, being, of course, that "all mtgox btc" = ~18.5 ALT
kakobrekla: the refunded the broken txes but now the success rate of making a withdrawal is even lower, down to 25%
kakobrekla: they*
kakobrekla: just what im hearing
mircea_popescu: (i wonder how many people noticed the general pattern where people start doing deals with known scammers putting them in a fiduciary capacity as they're preparing to plausibly-deniably close up shop)
Duffer1: more about ActM - turns out trading for shares is open, on Crypto-Trade, but only one person has shares to sell, Ken, 200,000 at .0005
Duffer1: everyone is being kept waiting while he dumps
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 d'oh.
mircea_popescu: much competition for mpex such wow etc.
Duffer1: hehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.24310363 = 1.9448 BTC
mircea_popescu: fun fact : mtgox is pretty much the last remaining thing since the days before mpoe/mpex iirc.
kakobrekla: fun fact: bitstamp is getting sold
Duffer1: who bought? panama fund?
mircea_popescu: who's buying ?
kakobrekla: i dont know who since even this fact that its being sold was leaked but i do know the supposed date
jurov: inb4 nejc bought private jet
jurov: i hope he won't sell it to panama :D
BingoBoingo: Prolly sold BitStamp to jimmothy
Duffer1: ah jimmothy
Duffer1: i have taken to trolling him via haiku, i hope he keeps posting, i have more
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he's really a poster child of 2013 retardation. i've had his history reviewed, he's pretty much all about all the wrong choices.
mircea_popescu: funny how people manage this, it fascinates me.
mircea_popescu: total dividend asicminer may still be paying ? "Just based off last years profit maybe another 200k btc"
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4921544#msg4921544
Duffer1: o.0
ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
mircea_popescu: "Hoping colored coins takes off. I've heard mastercoin has a few cool features but that doesn't matter if its centralized."
mircea_popescu: it's just a brainfuckfest with him, i wish i understood how is it that people can never, absolutely never, no matter what happens make all the right choices,
mircea_popescu: yet about 1/3 of the population regularly makes all the wrong choices.
mircea_popescu: not most. all.
kakobrekla: inb4 NiggerCoin
mircea_popescu: this sounds like it shouldn't happen, statistically.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10557 @ 0.00092526 = 9.768 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4931563#msg4931563
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
pankkake: you're just trying to get banned while you can't internets
kakobrekla: speaking of, im outtahere
kakobrekla: later dudes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11568 @ 0.000925 = 10.7004 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: meanwhile http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=142178311
pankkake: $50?!
mircea_popescu: well how much do you think it is.
davout: yeah that sounded cheap
pankkake: if I was her brother I'd be mad too, she can't sell herself properly
mircea_popescu: you seriously think going rate for avg junior hs tail is > $50 ?!
BingoBoingo: Maybe she figures she can gross more by bringing in volume?
pankkake: wouldn't underage at least provide a premium?
davout: why you gonna arbitrage it?
mircea_popescu: pankkake no. she doesn't know the buz.
mircea_popescu: but srsly, i think bitcoin has fucked with your heads to the degree you have no idea what work money commands.
mircea_popescu: $50 is a WEEK worth of bussing/dishwashing for the average mexican yo.
mircea_popescu: she gets it in half an hour.
mircea_popescu: in any major town there are literally hundreds of thousands of women under 30 living in places paid-for by the government, getting free food.
mircea_popescu: you think they click on lolpics all day liek teh boys ?!
BingoBoingo: Point taken
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.000129 = 0.4515 BTC [+]
herbijud1estoids: hullo
BingoBoingo: Oh looky, who called this out in the Silk Road aftermath https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/feb/03/dea-parallel-construction-guides/
herbijud1estoids: so i have enough datapoints (assuming the ddos didnt disrupt my timeseries too much -- looks like it didnt) for a simple mean reversion model which works well in markets without market-makers/specialists/HFT bots
herbijud1estoids: anyone wanna see?
herbijud1estoids: http://imgur.com/Io3BDJG data isnt fresh (from ~12h ago) but the idea is buy MPOE below 50 and sell above
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
herbijud1estoids: if there was options you could build a synthetic short
herbijud1estoids: i dont have enough datapoints yet to build the accompanying regime filter which tells you when market conditions are good or not for this model
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0009211 = 12.3427 BTC [-] {2}
herbijud1estoids: but it looks like the trading is so 'pure' that it might not be necessary :P
KRS-: ,bait
ThickerThanThiev: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wzdsd/bitcoinj_011_released/
ozbot: Bitcoinj 0.11 released : Bitcoin
KRS-: Assburger's Bait:
KRS-: http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21021000/ngbbs4bc015a542b0c.jpg
herbijud1estoids: nobody care :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00091992 = 7.2674 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/02/nymi/
ozbot: Only Your Heartbeat Can Unlock This Bitcoin Wallet | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
herbijud1estoids: also mircea_popescu i tried to query do a STAT with pympex but it didnt work, said i need to sign the key (which i obviously did), are you *sure* i dont need an account to run the queries?
davout: you need an account to stat
ThickAsThieves: stat tells you whats in your account, sooooo
herbijud1estoids: and stat is the only command that gives you the trade histories, right?
davout: it gives you yours
ThickAsThieves: kako sells data feed access
herbijud1estoids: he told me it was from 2012
ThickAsThieves: i mean live
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids http://mpex.co/faq.html#11
mircea_popescu: you can get the mkt depth and vwap feeds w/o any account
mircea_popescu: $vwap X.EUR
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00166971 high: 0.00170089 low: 0.00166114 volume: 3200 btc: 5.343075 30 day: average: 0.00178882 high: 0.002 low: 0.0016245 volume: 21739 btc: 38.88705537
mircea_popescu: $depth X.EUR
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['1200 @ 0.00166251', '4200 @ 0.0016245', '100 @ 0.00153846', '1000 @ 0.001', '100000 @ 0.0009945']
mircea_popescu: same thing the bot gets.
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1061 @ 0.00168488', '2200 @ 0.001773', '1350 @ 0.0019975']
herbijud1estoids: ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#465959 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dunno, do i count ?
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids 50 what, 50k satoshi ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00092056 = 1.3348 BTC [+]
herbijud1estoids: mircea_popescu: no as in when the model is reporting a number below 50 you buy at market and when it goes above 50 you sell at market
mircea_popescu: a a yes i see.
herbijud1estoids: MPOE is probly the only stock in the world valued at its current value that you could do this on the microstructure without living in the exchange...how interesting is that!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves an "only your orgasm shrieks can unlock this wallet" would be moar better.
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids bitcoin revolutionizes finance, if well implemented by people with a clue you say ?
mircea_popescu: fuck me, i'm like shocked.
herbijud1estoids: well, i dunno if it will last obviously
herbijud1estoids: but for now its the case
herbijud1estoids: at some point someone will come in and trade this with volume until the returns are close to cost of capital
mircea_popescu: me either, but still.
mircea_popescu: what is "cost of capital" ?
jurov: herbijud1estoids: wait till you want to start actually talking to mpex's congenial interface
jurov: or savy yourself the suffering and talk to me first ;)
herbijud1estoids: mircea_popescu: different for different investors, but basically whatever it cost you :P
herbijud1estoids: if you think you have an edge and borrow a million dollars at 3% to implement an algo that trades this, then obviously your cost of capital is 3%+R&D
ThickAsThieves: reminds me of a question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1648 @ 0.00012 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: in Kelly criterion, what do you do given infinite EV propositions?
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids my point being that we have a serious problem in this space with that (and other) basic numbers.
herbijud1estoids: jurov: i really dont have the time to push this much further than i already am with work and other projects but if i get motivated and time i will definitely appreciate any help
mircea_popescu: according to mpbor it's something crazy like 1k% a year.
mircea_popescu: according to discounted future cash flow approach it's maybe 0.01% a year.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: With a time machine
mircea_popescu: accorfding to the largest stock in the marketplace it's more like 0.5 - 0.2% a year
herbijud1estoids: ThickAsThieves: i would check the model to make sure its not broken and if not probly trade on a volatility adjusted level...i like ~15%/pa STDDEV
mircea_popescu: that sort of divergenge can only be interpreted to mean there's turbulence.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves in the universe in which the kelly criterion is meaningful, infinite ev is not possible.
mircea_popescu: review the http://trilema.com/2014/its-not-the-sauce-its-the-poultry-and-other-metamathematical-considerations/ article, it's seminal.
ThickAsThieves: word
mircea_popescu: otherwise in practical terms his heuristic sounds reasonable,
mircea_popescu: subject to parameter adjustment for your own convenience.
herbijud1estoids: MPBOR...the MP bank offered rate?
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids yeah.
herbijud1estoids: wheres it listed i cant see it
mircea_popescu: cause of the way the bondbod is financed, you familiar with that ?
mircea_popescu: published each month with the s.mpoe reports.
herbijud1estoids: ah right
herbijud1estoids: no sorry
herbijud1estoids: also its 2am here and i might be more retarded than normal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
herbijud1estoids: cost of capital isnt necessarily reflected by MPBOR
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11707 @ 0.00092043 = 10.7755 BTC [-] {2}
herbijud1estoids: like i said, if i borrow a million for the endeavour of trading mean reversion model on MPOE at 3%, then my returns are only dependent on MPBOR in the sense that MPOE is the business handling MPBOR
herbijud1estoids: million USD, for example
herbijud1estoids: the twitter feed is fucking gold. i will learn how to pull data from it tomorrow and see if i can make some interesting graphs
herbijud1estoids: maybe just httrack and grep/awk could be sufficient
herbijud1estoids: mircea_popescu: do you have a formal education in finance of any sort?
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids sadly it meanwhile got canned "for spam"
mircea_popescu: but you can use the rss.
mircea_popescu: herbijud1estoids no. i have a personal education in finance.
herbijud1estoids: hope someone has congratulated you on the awesome thing you built and if not, congrats
mircea_popescu: ty. it does happen occasionally.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00298072 = 1.1923 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: as a rule tho, people lack the intellectual sophistication to have and use the tools to discern it, and then the time to do so.
herbijud1estoids: i only looked at pympex today and when i was reading the FAQ about "SPLIT" i thought goddamn genius
mircea_popescu: so for all practical purposes, allow me to welcome you into the church of mpex scientology.
mircea_popescu: lol
herbijud1estoids: lul
mircea_popescu: you know ppl sort-of bitched at me about it, and i think they still don't think it's right but mostly take my word for it.
herbijud1estoids: seems right to me
herbijud1estoids: anyway i should really bed. was supposed to wake up early and hassle some engineers in san fran but i got distracted watching boogie nights
mircea_popescu: anyway. i do believe it's more about what it'll hopefully blossom into than what it is yet.
mircea_popescu: jus' needs some time to accrete people.
mircea_popescu: did you like that ?!
herbijud1estoids: i watched it cos hoffman died and it was his first movie
mircea_popescu: i tried to watch capote and i couldn't get through the whole thing.
herbijud1estoids: never seen it before, some of the scenes at the start i thought was amazing...like the first time the guy catches his wife cheating on him
mircea_popescu: man's best performance is flawless, no dispute possible.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 19 @ 0.0077005 = 0.1463 BTC [-] {3}
herbijud1estoids: my fav movie with him in it is charlie wilsons war, but i guess its a subject matter thing
herbijud1estoids: i think rambo4 and charlie wilsons war should be mandatory viewing for all american citizens :P
mircea_popescu: wtf.
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> i tried to watch capote and i couldn't get through the whole thing. --- mme too
mircea_popescu: why not "some came running" and "cat on a hot tin roof"
herbijud1estoids: rambo4? back when the taliban were the "brave and fearless men and women of afghanistan fighting for their freedom" to which the movie was dedicated
mircea_popescu: lol
herbijud1estoids: havent you seen it man! omg...rambo takes the game right to those pesky commie bastards!
ThickAsThieves: "Or in other words, while the sauce for the goose works just fine for the gander, this point is well wasted on vegetarians : the stuff they eat doesn’t even have gender." << Cuz we mostly eat the gendery parts!
herbijud1estoids: how dare they invade afghanistan!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves interestingly enough that's true huh
mircea_popescu: who knew vegans are dedicated to a strict regimen of gonads.
herbijud1estoids: oh shit thats the wrong one, its rambo3!
herbijud1estoids: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/16/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-truth-quinoa
ozbot: Can vegans stomach the unpalatable truth about quinoa? | Joanna Blythman | Comment is free | thegua
herbijud1estoids: troll teh hippiez
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/b3ac1840d0730a8db0526593788e4e88/tumblr_mhbo76rAux1ru15g3o1_400.gif << meanwhile somewhere in france, this is why we like natural boobs.
herbijud1estoids: that came out today, obviously a moron funded by the cow council or something, but great to rile up the vegans with
mircea_popescu: the cow council lol.
mircea_popescu: their hq is in the diablo cow level.
mircea_popescu: worst guy among them is beefenstick frozenfist.
herbijud1estoids: dude i am not gonna sit here and try and come up with a more evil cow related name than that
ThickAsThieves: it makes no sense
herbijud1estoids: cowtler.
mircea_popescu: yw.
jcpham: beefenstick frozenfist winner winner
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves rakanishu.
mircea_popescu: wait wait, the author's name is joanna blythe man ?! this is trolling, right ?
mircea_popescu: joanna blythe-man on crop blights.
ThickAsThieves: "Joanna Blythman is an food writer, investigative journalist and broadcaster"
mircea_popescu: if only it said bloadcaster ill.
mircea_popescu: also this entire convo has to be bashed somehow
ThickAsThieves: that's what trilema is for, to bash the unbashable
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: besides, there's a nice flattery bit at the top huh. aite, brb.
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ThickAsThieves: "Exactly! I want to buy a pizza with 10k ATC and regret it later. I'm even willing to throw away a fraction of a Bitcoin (and regret that later too) for the experience."
ThickAsThieves: this may cause a black hole
ThickAsThieves: good thing they are no longer black
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1660 @ 0.00012001 = 0.1992 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: are they pinky-flesh in color ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00092647 = 8.6625 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Hawking says they are grey now
ThickAsThieves: http://www.nbcnews.com/science/stephen-hawking-shakes-theory-again-black-holes-are-actually-gray-2D12001605
ozbot: Stephen Hawking shakes up theory (again): Black holes are actually gray - NBC News.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19193 @ 0.00091992 = 17.656 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell herbijud1estoids no fucken way hoffman's first thing is that 1997 atrocityu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: a that.
pankkake: black holes not black, pluto not a planet. damn scientists
nubbins`: well what is "black", really
nubbins`: i advance that nothing in your line of sight is black
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> black holes not black, pluto not a planet. damn scientists << SCAM
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hoffman's first part seems to have been as random disposable criminal in Law and Order
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no way dude he woked all through the 90s
mircea_popescu: bit parts mostly, but i'm sure his debut must be like 1990 or something
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Law and order started in 1990
nubbins`: i thought hoffman died in 89
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mircea_popescu: a ? i thought it was a mid 90s thing
ThickAsThieves: <nubbins`> well what is "black", really <<< something about dark matter and absence of light, still sorting it all out i think
mircea_popescu: CERN scientits announce : holes to be black in two weeks!
mircea_popescu: atm still brown.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, it's all a continuum, tbf
ThickAsThieves: when i was young, men were women, and holes were black!
nubbins`: for most purposes, you can be lax with the definition
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999959 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "and now here i am, surrounded by all this brown shit"
ThickAsThieves: nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5699996 = 2.85 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: spider sense tingling, bitcoin drama levels feel too depleted
ThickAsThieves: time for a fork maybe?
ThickAsThieves: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 25 minutes and 56 seconds
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412041.0
ozbot: Fork The Blockchain And Block The Seized FBI Coins.
nubbins`: triple facepalm
ThickAsThieves: lol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Late 90's was when the flood of spinoffs started
nubbins`: "Hay guise I have an Idea™"
ThickAsThieves: regulate the regulators!
nubbins`: "Normally I'd ask for a share of the profits but this time it's free"
mircea_popescu: im surprised it's not "redistribute the fbi coins"
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: there ya go
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847
mircea_popescu: she lives to serve.
nubbins`: "We all just need to agree to craft a bogus block where the FBI coins get sent to 1BitcoinEater"
mircea_popescu: grasp of bitcoin basics under 1/9000
ThickAsThieves: why is the link particular to me?
nubbins`: "The Fed's stole those coins."
nubbins`: hmmm
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves weren't you asking for drama ?
ThickAsThieves: ah
ThickAsThieves: not good enough
ThickAsThieves: high drama
mircea_popescu: well dude what you want.
nubbins`: not sure if he means "The Feds stole those coins." or "The Fed's stolen those coins."
mircea_popescu: nubbins` he means "fjkhkj45hkj45ngvdfzgh9853 jyjx"
nubbins`: heh
pankkake: wait kraken lost 600 btc?
nubbins`: turns out he's just a cat that's looking for a warm place to nap
pankkake: that's like their yearly volume
mircea_popescu: pankkake you don't say.
nubbins`: they didn't lose them, some guy put a QR code sticker on top of theirs
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wait wut ?
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how often we'll hear of that hack again
nubbins`: lel j/k
mircea_popescu: afaik they botched the entire receiving address thing, now they don;'t know who sent them btc.
nubbins`: i was reading a thread yesterday about this guy who ate at a restaurant that accepts btc
mircea_popescu: top the tune of AT LEAST 600 btc, beingone addy we know about
nubbins`: somebody put a sticker over the QR code by the cash
mircea_popescu: they're lieing about it, so clearly it's not the only one, nor they can cover.
nubbins`: poor diner was asked to pay twice
mircea_popescu: link ?
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wwzbf/psa_new_scam_to_be_aware_of_someone_stole_my/
pankkake: also http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1vvghq/scam_found_this_in_palo_alto_address_not_on_effs/
nubbins`: "new scam to be aware of"
ThickAsThieves: maybe we'll get a bitcoin robin hood
nubbins`: pretty sure the whole story was upvote-bait
ThickAsThieves: swapping QR codes around the world
nubbins`: especially considering the diner agreed to PAY HALF AGAIN
nubbins`: y'know, a thing that people would do after it's obvious to all parties that a ripoff occurred
nubbins`: anyway, i bellowed laughter at this:
nubbins`: "One of the officers even said "why didn't you just pay with real money?""
ThickAsThieves: well just go to restaurants with QR codes in pocket, pay yourself, then be all ZOMG what's happening!
nubbins`: ^^^^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 950 @ 0.00011202 = 0.1064 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
nubbins`: qr code taped to reg makes about as much sense as a bucket full of cash and coins placed on the counter
nubbins`: "just dump your payment in here"
ThickAsThieves: but it works with tip jars and leaving cash on table/bar
nubbins`: "we'll probably figure it out"
nubbins`: tip jars, sure
nubbins`: nobody cares how much you tipped
ThickAsThieves: many leave cash on table and leave
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: then server has mild panic
nubbins`: drops what they're doing and runs to table
nubbins`: etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00092213 = 6.2705 BTC [+]
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: i guess a better analogy would be
nubbins`: that the bucket is hidden from the cashier's view
Mats_cd03: Meow
ThickAsThieves: someone told falkvinge http://falkvinge.net/2014/02/04/major-bitcoin-exchange-not-executing-withdrawals-now-owes-clients-38m-in-disappeared-money/
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> well just go to restaurants with QR codes in pocket, pay yourself, then be all ZOMG what's happening! <<< sorta like the self-hitting pedestrians.
nubbins`: "the car came outta nowhere"
ThickAsThieves: times they are a changing
ThickAsThieves: https://support.mtgox.com/entries/26128504-Update-Statement-Regarding-BTC-Withdrawal-Delays
ozbot: Update - Statement Regarding BTC Withdrawal Delays : Support Desk
ThickAsThieves: "we are currently experiencing a problem where some bitcoin withdrawals are not being transferred correctly"
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> drops what they're doing and runs to table <<< i usually just dump the money on the table if the girl fed me or on the nightstand if she fucked me.
ThickAsThieves: "Those transactions have now been returned to customer accounts in full"
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: in neither case is there a run.
ThickAsThieves: "This problem applies primarily to larger transactions, so we appreciate your patience as we fix the issue. "
ThickAsThieves: lololol
TomServo: He considered Gox to be a safer repository for bitcoin than his own probably-hackable computer. That judgment may not have been accurate.
TomServo: Oh my.
mircea_popescu: "we're scamming, and we hope people we fucked foir a lot of money are like idiots and everything"
TomServo: Maaaaybe not. Still uncertain.
nubbins`: i actually signed up for an account on kraken after reading all this
mircea_popescu: but tbh, they deserve the reaming. if they missed april they can't be helped anymore.
mircea_popescu: every douche figures himself a bright mind, well...
nubbins`: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26031331
ozbot: BBC News - Self-updating Bitcoin price tag shown off in east London
ThickAsThieves: will they make inflating USD ones?
mircea_popescu: lmao
ThickAsThieves: act fast!
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/IG4ZDRn.jpg
ThickAsThieves: maybe this can get rid of cashiers altogether
nubbins`: re: a ton of media logos
ThickAsThieves: you pay the little ink box
ThickAsThieves: it unlocks
ThickAsThieves: cant leave store with merch and inkboxes
nubbins`: you guys don't have self-checkouts yet?
nubbins`: i personally fuckin hate 'em
ThickAsThieves: at groceries
ThickAsThieves: i only use them if no one is around
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-what-trilema-is-for-im-told/ << latest trilema post.
ozbot: This is what Trilema is for, I’m told. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: taking bets on whether it includes tits.
nubbins`: know who's faster at checking out your groceries? the person who does it for a living.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.24310363 = 0.7293 BTC
nubbins`: self-checkouts are a trick
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.1306 = 0.653 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: "maybe it'll be faster"
mircea_popescu: i kinda prefer farmer markets tho. who buys groceries in a store ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think i have this decade.
nubbins`: next thing you know, PLEASE PLACE THE SCANNED ITEM IN THE BAG. PLEASE PLACE THE SCANNED ITEM IN THE BAG. and there's a fuckin cashier helping you out anyway
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there's a few farmer's markets around here but a grocery store within walking distance
mircea_popescu: i got access to engines and shit
nubbins`: oh sure, me too, but why drive when you can walk?
mircea_popescu: i got a driver, he can take the groceries back and i can carry on in town
nubbins`: plus newfoundland produces only about 10% of its own food supply, so farmer's markets aren't a general solution
mircea_popescu: what we did last time
mircea_popescu: a that's a problem
nubbins`: yep
nubbins`: it sure is.
mircea_popescu: you can get local strawberries here. now.
nubbins`: you can maybe get local squash here now
nubbins`: and some greens
mircea_popescu: anyway, bought a buncha smoked pork to hang in my attic... it's a pleasure
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1290 @ 0.000112 = 0.1445 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: proper hand made pickles...
mircea_popescu: they don't do much pickling in canada do they
nubbins`: altho i did see a young couple walking two goats recently, so i suppose really it's more a question of motivation
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: mostly a lost art these days
mircea_popescu: well that sucks. colder climes need smoked meat and pickled veggies.
nubbins`: i know a few groups of hippies that do canning
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: canning != pickling in any sense.
nubbins`: yeah, closest thing you'll find
mircea_popescu: small peppers stuffed with cabbage! cucumbers! beets! culiflower!
nubbins`: people don't really preserve things here as a general rule
mircea_popescu: there's at least a dozen different sorts of pickles i can't do without ☟︎
nubbins`: probably because our parent's generation grew up on a steady diet of salt cod
BingoBoingo: When the frost came so many of the tomatos were still green that we pickled them as a relish.
nubbins`: and salt beef
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo good for you.
nubbins`: and were 100% turned on preserved foods by the time the big grocery chains moved in
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's why it;'s better to make salt pickes and smoke the meats
mircea_popescu: than the other way around
nubbins`: actually, come to think of it, my mother loves pickled beets
mircea_popescu: you ever had sqaw candy ?
nubbins`: nah
mircea_popescu: well wtf.
nubbins`: what can i say, sheltered life
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nubbins`: if you like pickled things, find a korean restaurant
Duffer1: squaw candy?
mircea_popescu: i dont like the way they pickle.
nubbins`: they are lords of fermenting and pickling
mircea_popescu: i'm romanian, stuff like this is like grounds for religious wars.
nubbins`: haha
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mircea_popescu: as far as the romanian mother in low is concerned, the new wife can parade around naked stuffing pencils in her cunt all she wants
mircea_popescu: but god forbid the sits on the floor or messes up the pickles.
nubbins`: i do some dehydrating and keep a root cellar, grow some veggies in the warmer months
nubbins`: that's about the extent of it so far
mircea_popescu: if you have a root cellar you definitely can pickle cabage.
nubbins`: funny story, the root cellar is just the cupboards under the kitchen sink
nubbins`: i keep beer down there too
nubbins`: so cold
mircea_popescu: ah, too small.
nubbins`: could probably fit a couple heads.
nubbins`: not enough to ensure a constant supply
ThickAsThieves: our cleaning lady pickles
ThickAsThieves: she gives us some
mircea_popescu: nah, cause you need a 20+ gallon thing
nubbins`: ah, no chance
mircea_popescu: they don't work in any arbitrary volume
ThickAsThieves: pickled okra mostly
ThickAsThieves: bleh
nubbins`: i've also been making sourdough bread for about a year and a half now
Duffer1: oh man what a waste
mircea_popescu: that's nice.
nubbins`: i even have a subscription to Mother Earth News ;(
Duffer1: fry that ochra up
Duffer1: okra even
mircea_popescu: "ochra. for when you feel the urge to know what the texture of corpse cunt is like"
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: the eventual goal is to become mostly self-sufficient
Duffer1: why you gotta ruin it for me :(
mircea_popescu: aww sorry.
nubbins`: hopefully should have the big strokes worked out in the next 4 or 5 years
ThickAsThieves: Bill Gates to 'substantially increase time' at Microsoft after stepping down as chairman
mircea_popescu: nubbins` try pickling sometime, get a large earthen jug, fill it with nice firm cabbage heads, add water and a lot of salt.
Duffer1: what's the plan for electricity nubs?
mircea_popescu: then after the first few weeks each coupla days go there and spend ~10-15 minutes blowing air into the vessel
mircea_popescu: in about 4-5-6 months it's done. you'll know by taste.
nubbins`: Duffer1, wind doesn't work too well here, not sure yet
mircea_popescu: should be kept ~5 degrees celsius.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Prolly realizes he quit to early and that BASIC interpreter thing isn't a business anymore.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: add some fish paste and chilies and you've got kimchi
mircea_popescu: nah, it's different i tel you
mircea_popescu: theirs is not aerated.
nubbins`: too true
nubbins`: they actually bury it
mircea_popescu: they fucking bury that shit
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: makes a huge difference
Duffer1: i'm down to 1.5 jars of gramma's pickled cucumbers. needs to last 6months
mircea_popescu: anyway, that cabbage juice resultant is by far the best hangover cure in the world.
nubbins`: the best kimchi is old kimchi, 1 year or more
mircea_popescu: by VERY far.
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: you use round cabbage or chinese?
mircea_popescu: makes little difference, as ong as it's white.
nubbins`: sure
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/4/5374172/the-coin-prince-charlie-shrem-bitinstant-bitcoin-money-laundering-scandal
ozbot: The coin prince: inside Bitcoin's first big money-laundering scandal | The Verge
mircea_popescu: red cabbage doesn't work for some reason
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3297 @ 0.00012242 = 0.4036 BTC [+] {7}
nubbins`: i'll think on this, might be a nice experiment for the winter
ThickAsThieves: HD eyebrows!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's cheap to try, anyway.
nubbins`: nod
mircea_popescu: you may wish to add some flavourings. horseradish is big here.
ThickAsThieves: "Shrem is 5 feet 5 inches tall, full-bearded, and high-energy. He’s the kind of guy who likes to party and loves to organize events, but also goes to his parents’ house every Friday night for dinner. "
nubbins`: i do like spicy
Duffer1: lol tat
Duffer1: groucho returns
nubbins`: groucho, leeel
mircea_popescu: nubbins` can go 1 horseradish root per 2-3 heads.
nubbins`: ever tried ginger?
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: it may work tho.
Duffer1: pickled ginger?
ThickAsThieves: i love ginger so much
nubbins`: well that's what got me thinking
nubbins`: i've been making this ghanaian dish lately, groundnut soup
nubbins`: fish or chicken, tomato paste, unsweetened peanut butter, ginger, onion, peppers
lippoper: .bait is back baby!
nubbins`: sounds terrible, tastes amazing
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/b8aa5def221e2b21e2d7a711a74e48ac/tumblr_mr8cetdFmQ1sx6boao1_500.jpg
nubbins`: i'm actually still not sure why it tastes good
KRS-: Look, she is sitting on her face!
ThickAsThieves: well peanut butter and ginger are my two favorite flavors
KRS-: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/43c15ff5737a8aedae159754406e2856/tumblr_mos4eplTVO1qcezywo1_500.jpg
nubbins`: then you owe it to yourself to try groundnut soup
KRS-: lol fun
mircea_popescu: nubbins` also, bay leaf, pepper, lots of dill
mircea_popescu: depends on your taste.
ThickAsThieves: He was this plucky, short Jewish guy from Brooklyn who had computer skills and decided to start his own company, and he was living the Entourage life. I envied the kid up until a few days ago.
nubbins`: i'm a huge fan of bay leaf
nubbins`: every chili, every stew
nubbins`: can't abide dill tho
KRS-: Like Assburgers? http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21021000/ngbbs4bc015a542b0c.jpg
ThickAsThieves: http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3955753/shremleaves.jpg
ThickAsThieves: "Charlie Shrem, right, exits Manhattan federal court with an unidentified person on Monday, January 27th"
ThickAsThieves: unidentified
mircea_popescu: that's his dad
mircea_popescu: ain;'t it ?!
ThickAsThieves: how could it not be his dad
nubbins`: couldn't be his dad with that mouth
nubbins`: ;p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15499998 BTC [-]
nubbins`: maybe the purse threw them off
mircea_popescu: it's not a purse
mircea_popescu: it's panamanian.
ThickAsThieves: lol
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: a purseboa
nubbins`: okay, time to run some errands
ThickAsThieves: He was released on house arrest after his parents put up their house as collateral.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00092243 = 14.1132 BTC [+]
KRS-: A Fallen Angel.
mircea_popescu: "gee son, i hope all that pot herping you did was a lot of fun"
mircea_popescu: "cause i worked thirty years for this house"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.15749999 = 2.52 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 2605968722.74 based on data since last change | 2831748964.63 based on data for last three days
KRS-: ouch..amazing how parents blindly support their kids, even in hopeless situations.
KRS-: not that this is hopeless..isn't money laundering a hard conviction to get?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22577 @ 0.00092673 = 20.9228 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: KRS- local joke : gypsy woman goes to her man with a very very filthy kid in tow
Duffer1: apparently they have his emails
mircea_popescu: "now what, do we wash this one or make another one?"
mircea_popescu: KRS- money laundering is an impossible conviction to get against the actual people who launder money, ie banks. any conviction is extremely easy to get against a redditard kid from brooklin and his goretex wearing father.
mike_c: ooh, nice coinroll ad on bitbet.
mike_c: does jurov control that yet?
jurov: yes i put the ad there
mircea_popescu: afaik it's scrat, namworld and jurov
jurov: but not full control yet
mike_c: planning any changes or you just going to run it better?
jurov: no. scrat and namworld are old owners and investors that are in search of a venue to IPO and get paid
jurov: and me and wao-ender are new owners
mike_c: interesting. good luck.
jurov: it's quite mess process, going on for 2 months, scrat was sick, etc.
mircea_popescu: well as long as it's fun.
jurov: indeed it;s fun :)
ThickAsThieves: for how long can we keep up 15%-20% diff increases?
ThickAsThieves: must be some kinda major limiting factor
ThickAsThieves: can hahsing increase 50x this year?
mircea_popescu: well... total electric energy output of earth is
jurov: it's price per transistor. dunno how far from that we are.
mircea_popescu: ~150-200 P
mircea_popescu: PW/g
mircea_popescu: grr
mircea_popescu: ~150-200 PW/h
jurov: admittedly, chumps may keep buying the transistor for several times more than mining reward
mircea_popescu: actually should i dig up the old discussion of that or were you around ?
jurov: *transistors
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure, but i'm re-interested either way
jurov: i don't think we came up with any definite numbers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00092673 = 13.0669 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: mining is gonna be so centralized
mircea_popescu: yeah but we did some back of envelope shit
KRS-: mircea_popescu: haha funny..actually 2 jokes..local gypsys here are leaving. The county fair is wrapping up. Ya gotta love that food though.
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin is doomed
KRS-: I mean..who fries winkies? Oreo cookies? Who knew?
ThickAsThieves: fry all the things!
KRS-: ya think?
mircea_popescu: well i dunno where it is ;/
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2013#259134 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: having helpers kicks ass.
ThickAsThieves: seems that maybe the bets regulation USG could do is require gov to run a mining farm
ThickAsThieves: best*
chetty: Sotomayor: Labeling Illegal Immigrants Criminals Is Insulting
ThickAsThieves: logic is so racist
mircea_popescu: chetty people do have a right to go wherever the fuck they please.
mircea_popescu: who gave obama a monopoly on the land between x and y ?
ThickAsThieves: [BTCTC] [TAT.MINIGAME] 2 @ 0.000269 = 0.0005 BTC [+] <<< good times
mircea_popescu: lol
chetty: not if they come to suck gubermint tits
mircea_popescu: !vwap s.mg
mircea_popescu: chetty gubermint has no right to have tits, nor does it have the right to use its tits as an excuse to bother people.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn
mircea_popescu: 't like its tits publicly handling it can go ahead and dress.
chetty: in a perfect world ...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4933430#msg4933430 << look what you've motherfuckingly done.
mircea_popescu: just not lieing and not stealing, that's it. that's all. you don't even need an idea AT ALL. your chain can simply win because no premine and no schmooze.
mircea_popescu: fucking stealing the mp model.
mircea_popescu: DO YOU SEE HOW POWERFUL IT IS!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
ThickAsThieves: yeesh
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4934547#msg4934547
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.70604072 BTC to 616 shares, 114617 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: i knew being a yogi berra fan would pay off one day
ThickAsThieves: maybe i should make a bot that combines yogi quotes with coelho lines
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 5.10400000 BTC to 7`975`000 shares, 64 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: "I want to thank you for making this day necessary." -- On Yogi Berra Appreciation Day in St. Louis in 1947.
ThickAsThieves: "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there."
ThickAsThieves: "It ain't the heat; it's the humility."
Dimsler__: is it pump up hour in here?
Dimsler__: ThickAsThieves, unless you're one of the top 100 wallet holders who really cares
mircea_popescu: Dimsler__ no pump-o.
mircea_popescu: this will become a standard disclaimer, like no homo.
Dimsler__: lol
ThickAsThieves: <Dimsler__> ThickAsThieves, unless you're one of the top 100 wallet holders who really cares <<<< i missed something?
ThickAsThieves: you mean top 100 bitcoin holders? ALT?
ThickAsThieves: what are we caring about?
Dimsler__: we are not caring
Duffer1: i'm more confused now than when you guys started your bit
Duffer1: are you doing a bit?
Duffer1: i feel like earl
ThickAsThieves: i dont do bits
ThickAsThieves: maybe a lil performance art here and there
mircea_popescu: we're doing just a little bit. but i was srs above.
mircea_popescu: anyway, straight man story : ThickAsThieves started a new altchain. for absolutely no reason. called a lark.
ThickAsThieves: basically, "If you aren't scamming us, than how will you make any money?!"
mircea_popescu: that alt chain got a lot of mining power behind it.
Dimsler__: lol
Dimsler__: lark
mircea_popescu: we're not actually pushing it, we're just lolling at it, observing it, thinking about it outloud.
mircea_popescu: s'all.
ThickAsThieves: i still dont own any
ThickAsThieves: dont think any miner has sold yet either
mircea_popescu: i think by now mpoe-pr owns more than me
Dimsler__: is it like dogecoin?
mircea_popescu: o wait! wow!
ThickAsThieves: oh you got some?
mircea_popescu: check this out tat : i am the one guy in the entire world who owns THE LEAST ATC.
Dimsler__: the USPS is gonne have its own alt currency soon
mircea_popescu: because you got 0 right ? and so do all those other guys
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: but i actually own -1, cause i owe 1 to either mike_c or vexual
ThickAsThieves: endorsed and coveted by mp himself, Altcoin
mike_c: vex, he paid me supposedly.
mircea_popescu: so i guess i'm shorting it, technically speaking
mircea_popescu: ;;FUD ATC kthx.
gribble: Error: "FUD" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: i'd buy some if people just made public prices
BingoBoingo: What's the difficulty on Alt anyway?
mircea_popescu: whoa that's a useless bot.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo like 20k ?
mircea_popescu: MP, naked shorting alt since the week it was born!
ThickAsThieves: i guess bluematt scamme dme
ThickAsThieves: never got the source, even after he told me to pay to same addy
mircea_popescu: nowai
mircea_popescu: altchain born in scam and pain!
mircea_popescu: the only begotten altchain of teh lord to save our etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04954 = 0.9908 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: LTC difficulty is only 2,820? To the hole with LTC!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i say a lot of power, i mean a lot of power >D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9198 @ 0.00092673 = 8.5241 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC
mircea_popescu: "Well good morning there, Brittany. Are you ready for today's lesson?"
mircea_popescu: "Oh yes, Daddy! I can't wait to find out what you're going to do to me today!"
mircea_popescu: "That's a good girl. I love your enthusiasm. You made Daddy so proud when you came to me on your 18th Birthday a few weeks ago and said you wanted to work at my whorehouse just like your mother and your older sisters.
mircea_popescu: dude why is fanfic so incredibly bad.
BingoBoingo: Imma have to write and Altcoin post. Much hash. So Meta. Very Unmeme.
mircea_popescu: this guy's premise is that some dood's systematically whoring his family, and the only way he can think to introduce that premise is a Mr Exposition chorus ?!
ThickAsThieves: i have this runt cat, that never fully grew, but somehow she always finds her way to the highest places. when she gets there she lets out these little miniature roars
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves is that a yogi coelho quote ?
ThickAsThieves: the cat thing? that's real
mircea_popescu: pretty adorkable.
ThickAsThieves: i need to record it
ThickAsThieves: by this point no one knows when i'm joking or just dumb
ThickAsThieves: cue dub/kako saying i'm always dumb
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: does bluematt haz wot?
ThickAsThieves: i might have to dig up my key for this
ThickAsThieves: no wait, the proper thing to do is start a reddit thread, right?
ThickAsThieves: Coingen.io is Scam!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00092673 = 9.3136 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00565828 = 0.1754 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1197 @ 0.00012943 = 0.1549 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07810003 = 0.3905 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25393 @ 0.00092673 = 23.5325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00092461 = 34.2568 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: http://www.coinmakerbot.com/ lol
pankkake: "pre-mine consulting and strategy"
davout: it lacks the cryptsy-plugin generator
BingoBoingo: I doubt many new alts will go further than RIPple's greatest innovation whereby all coins were premined.
pankkake: NXT did it, and called it innovative
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00092817 = 28.1236 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: web designers new bastion, altcoin marketing agency
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doge just did it a coupla days ago.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he does indeed.
mircea_popescu: tbh i'd be very surprised if in fact he's scamming you.
ThickAsThieves: so i'm not supposed to overreact when people dont do things right away for me?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay http://www.coinmakerbot.com/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: pankakke, are you interested in helping create the source? or at least dumping the genblock?
ThickAsThieves: bounty available if needed
mircea_popescu: you can dumb the genblock just by quering the altcoind
mike_c: how you going to bounty with no ATC?
mircea_popescu: mwahaha
ThickAsThieves: i'll get the forum to pay for it
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: I was going to reply on the thread… I'm not sure I can do it
ThickAsThieves: crap
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
ThickAsThieves: even if you have a different coingen'd source package to work from?
mircea_popescu: who's unbalanced on the forum ?
pankkake: a coingen sha256 would be a good base, at least I can replace the coin name :p
mircea_popescu: lolz
ThickAsThieves: sock of someone here
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes but who./
ThickAsThieves: one of these D**** handles maybe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
ThickAsThieves: Duffer, Dimsler
Duffer1: not i
ThickAsThieves: maybe Van Cleef
ThickAsThieves: who knows anymor
pankkake: I think he goes by unbalanced here too. we're in a lentghty e-mail conversation
pankkake: he must be a lurker
mircea_popescu: oic.
wao-ender: lol, havellock is trying to do marketing with b.exch?
ThickAsThieves: <pankkake> a coingen sha256 would be a good base, at least I can replace the coin name :p <<< but really, if it is useful, surely one of the packages for download is that http://coingen.io/status.html
ThickAsThieves: the ones with source are bigger zips
ThickAsThieves: 26mb vs 50+
ThickAsThieves: i downloaded some at random
ThickAsThieves: not sure how to tell if sha256
mircea_popescu: lmao this guy sounds like a bitcoin ceo.
ThickAsThieves: i'm a hacker now too!
mircea_popescu: + css experience.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2032 @ 0.00092905 = 1.8878 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i dont actually make the CSS, just pictures of what it should look like
mircea_popescu: obviosuly.
ThickAsThieves: but ive hacked a style or two in my day
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: thats something they could have had in idiocracy
mircea_popescu: instead of ppl ordering ? they napkin-doodle what they want
mircea_popescu: then argue about getting the wrong thing
jurov: did you make a picture css of neobee building too?
pankkake: feature request for altgen.io: create github repo :)
pankkake: oh coingen ships with a .git in it. good
ThickAsThieves: i dont do 3d rendering, too tedious
ThickAsThieves: same reason i dont code
ThickAsThieves: my attention doesnt work that way
pankkake: oh good at least I see that the pzsTimestamp is the same as Bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0495399 = 0.4954 BTC [-]
pankkake: however it changes "pchMessageStart" and I have no idea what it is :(
ThickAsThieves: i didnt mind HTML class, but once i got to javascript class, i was like fuck this bullshit
mike_c: lexical clojure is a pain
pankkake: ok well, either I'll have the source tonight or in a few days
mircea_popescu: 2 weeks tops.
ThickAsThieves: if it helps, Altcoin should be 512 Block Rate, 512 block value, 262144 halving, 268435456 total coins
BingoBoingo: feature request for altgen.io -> Moar hashing algorithms. At a minimum MD4
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
ThickAsThieves: altgen.io would have an endless todo list
jurov: http://falkvinge.net/2014/02/04/major-bitcoin-exchange-not-executing-withdrawals-now-owes-clients-38m-in-disappeared-money/
pankkake: BingoBoingo: quite annoying as you have to manage the pools too
jurov: soo, gox pulled weexchange
ThickAsThieves: ?
ThickAsThieves: you may take 6%?
jurov: i mean, ukyo hints to some btc transactions corrupted by bitcoind
jurov: too
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that part shouldn't be too hard.
jurov: that cnnot be disclosed
BingoBoingo: pankkake: A plus of MD4 coin is you can pretty much instamine and them market make. Click post on the forum to make the thread. Then start your miner then... Profit! Chain mined before the thread gets a reply.
pankkake: you can instamine anything as long as the difficulty is low, or diff adjustment is bad
pankkake: which is the case for coingen, btw :)
mircea_popescu: or you announce it for tuesday and start sunday
mircea_popescu: then go "o oops, what you mean we said we'll turn off miners ?!?!"
pankkake: it is usually caught
pankkake: though of course it's scammers scamming scammers, and might not matter in the end
jurov: wouldn't you hit the maximal possible difficulty quickly with md4?
jurov: i.e. to make exact hash for the block
BingoBoingo: jurov: That's the point
pankkake: lol
jurov: what about using rot13 then?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.002984 = 0.9638 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: jurov: Sure Rot13 where the alphabet consists entirely of Zeros might be prefect.
mircea_popescu: the future of cryptography as seen @nsa, microsoft, etc : rot13 chain!
the20year1: Making good progress with havelock
mike_c: i thought listing was yesterday?
BingoBoingo: Transactions from addresses are also signed by private keys which are also the addresses. Basically the same way credit cards work in the US, what could go wrong?
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: it's so true tho.
mircea_popescu: "could we have the last 4 digits of your address which is also your private key ? don't worry, we'll keep the rest secret nothing could possibly go wrong"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.002985 = 4.4775 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: This tool only goes up to 2006 as far as widely known collision attacks http://www.bishopfox.com/resources/tools/other-free-tools/md4md5-collision-code/
mircea_popescu: https://medium.com/cyber-security/24eb09e026dd
mircea_popescu: i dun recall who originally posted that coupla days back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1105 @ 0.002986 = 3.2995 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: was " leerochardson" on this chan?
kakobrekla: in last couple of hrs
mircea_popescu: nop
mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/how-i-almost-lost-my-500000-twitter-username-jb-and-my-startup/
mircea_popescu: this has a lot of implications for noob bitcoin devs btw
mircea_popescu: The scary thing was that I only thought of the true implications of this attack days later. As I was contemplating what had happened and how I could prevent it in the future, a very frightening thought occurred to me. This attacker started with Amazon because he knew that a commerce shopping site’s customer support would be relatively easy to convince and use to gain access to my account. However, that same site offe
mircea_popescu: rs cloud services that many startups rely on to host their data. My startup, Droplr, is completely based on Amazon’s stack, from using EC2 servers where we host all of our technology to S3, which we use for file storage. This attacker had access to all of it. I was extremely lucky that in his rush to gain access to @jb, he didn’t think to check if my account had anything under AWS.
ThickAsThieves: also good advice to not use your custom google apps domain email for registrations
jurov: as if normaln gmail would be harder to pwn
ThickAsThieves: no customer service reps for free Google Apps accounts
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: its a security feature!
mircea_popescu: this entire "cumstomer service" bs needs to go away.
Duffer1: companies need to start investing in MPOE-PR brand customer relations
mircea_popescu: you lost your password ? FUCK YOU.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4022 @ 0.00092764 = 3.731 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.14999999 = 0.3 BTC [-]
davout: lol, where do i sign?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: have you ever helped someone who lost their mpex key?
mike_c: i bet you have
mircea_popescu: i have not.
Duffer1: has anyone ever lost a key?
mircea_popescu: at least a coupla people.
mike_c: that's a tough line to hold. it will be interesting if you can keep that up.
mircea_popescu: happens to be the correct line to hold, so... whatever, they'll have to get it out of my cold dead hands.
mike_c: hehe
mircea_popescu: not everything is a brothel.
mike_c: i would like to be able to use mpex with keys that i sign from my master key that i've registered with you. then i could use cardano with it.
mircea_popescu: imagine if hospitals were run on the principle of whether the customer was happy.
jurov: oh, they aren't?
mircea_popescu: well ideally i should hope not, or else wtf, "which pill would you like to take today, mr j"
jurov: they give you antibitics not cuz you need them, but to make you happy
mircea_popescu: "take the ugly pill and shut up"
mircea_popescu: there you go breaking my eastern bloc ideals.
mircea_popescu: mike_c if you're really paranoid you can locally generate and sign pushes after each stat.
mircea_popescu: that way, even if you lose your key you can wipe your account for later.
mircea_popescu: and it's better in that i don't even need to verify anything.
mike_c: hm, that's interesting. i'll have to build that into pympex v2
mircea_popescu: do you understand the model i mean ?
mike_c: yeah
mircea_popescu: like you now use key a, and spare is key b. after each stat for each asset push x to b signed and stored.
mircea_popescu: yeah
davout: why after each stat?
mircea_popescu: you can store the stuff as a list encrypted to b
mike_c: after each stat so you push all your assets (which changes..)
davout: why not once for each asset with some high value
mircea_popescu: davout well that's the point where you find what assets you have.
davout: just make a stat per asset, and add pushes as assets are added to mpex
davout: sorry a push per asset
mircea_popescu: you gotta specify qty
jurov: if qty is 99999999, it won't work?
davout: can't you say a bazillion and it takes the min from the qty and your holdings?
mircea_popescu: afaik if you don't have the right qty it tells you to fuck off.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00092768 = 7.3287 BTC [+]
jurov: D:
jurov: one can make signed pushes for qty 1,2,4,8,16,32,...
jurov: and apply them from highest one
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
jurov: but orders must be taken from stat anyway
mike_c: that's not a bad backup too. sign those and bury them in the garden
mircea_popescu: anyway, careful with that axe eugene
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/a071befa146f7fb3e5334746505350a5/tumblr_mgnbxfHAj91ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << this is the czech republic isn't it
jurov: can be. plenty karosa buses here, too
jurov: mircea how would you go about backing up keys from airgapped machine?
jurov: if you were mpex customer
mircea_popescu: you can take them to another airgapped machine
jurov: and that machine to safe?
mircea_popescu: well to wherever you keep your backups
mircea_popescu: two machines connecting is no threat to either's airgap, provided the other's not going online
mircea_popescu: think of this as if it were sex
mircea_popescu: which it is.
jurov: lol i keep backups all around, under strong passphrase
mircea_popescu: do you have a slovenian dicelist ?
jurov: i made one
jurov: from various sources
mircea_popescu: so turn the privkey into a diced novella, print it, keep it around. w/e.
jurov: haha
wao-ender: :D
mircea_popescu: people'd be like "wtf does He foot dog went backwards air eloped mystical donglebunch." ?!?!?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40428 @ 0.0009255 = 37.4161 BTC [-] {4}
wao-ender: I was always thinking about it like, if computer catn decipher it, humans need to use inteligence
nubbins`: smh. phone is NINE DAYS out of warranty and won't charge, carrier tells me to PFO
nubbins`: 10/10, would do business with again
wao-ender: next time u will buy extended warranty
Duffer1: planned obsolescence is pretty annoying
ThickAsThieves: so it will last longer
nubbins`: wao-ender: no i won't
mircea_popescu: and this is why i buy old models intended for the african market.
ThickAsThieves: so you can mpesa?
wao-ender: extended warranty is neat marketing, like with insurrance for 60years.
mircea_popescu: my ten year old non-gps phone without special sounds or bs charges just fine
mircea_popescu: omfg this is mpiright infringement!
nubbins`: in fairness, they did say i could order a replacement for only $269.99999999
nubbins`: ;(
nubbins`: i'll get what i want, just annoying because it takes so long
wao-ender: order chinese one.
wao-ender: im ok with my asian phone
wao-ender: non western brand
nubbins`: this IS a chinese one.
nubbins`: oh, brand. n/m.
wao-ender: hope not ZTE..
nubbins`: apple
wao-ender: hah
wao-ender: or aple.
nubbins`: honestly the worst part is the hold music
wao-ender: just listen world around you
nubbins`: apple phone support has looked up my info and suddenly has no problems with a free replacement
mircea_popescu: that means they've raped you for over 9000 in the past. ☟︎
nubbins`: "oh shit, this is the guy who only good things happen to"
nubbins`: mp, about 4k
nubbins`: plus a few years of dev access
mircea_popescu: so over 9k
nubbins`: $99/yr!
nubbins`: i think you just wanted to say OVER 9000
mircea_popescu: fun fact : the marginal cost for an extra girl is about 4k/yr for me atm.
wao-ender: lol
wao-ender: does age weight the price?
mircea_popescu: it's cost not price.
mircea_popescu: like, you gotta feed her, house her, maybe even clothe her, at least after a few months.
wao-ender: I prefer naked ones
pankkake: clothes can be fun
mircea_popescu: and a treat.
mircea_popescu: besides. corsets. garters.
wao-ender: maybe s&m clothes
mircea_popescu: high heels. nipple shields.
pankkake: butt plugs are clothes too
mircea_popescu: there's plenty to do.
nubbins`: okay, done!
nubbins`: they're mailing me a box
nubbins`: (which i always find amusing)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: actually, i don't think i can even qualify my treatment as sexual harassment, let alone rape
mircea_popescu: wait, treatment by whom
nubbins`: apple
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479085 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: nm what you say. i'm the feminist here.
mircea_popescu: and you'll be liberated willing or unwilling!
nubbins`: my sides, etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
nubbins`: b.mine, b.sell, b.lel
kakobrekla: you b.mine and ill b.yours
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
nubbins`: b.srs ;(
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/1fa720b5fff90a1e7cbc058c22223aea/tumblr_mgegn4TAs81ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: regulation boots.
nubbins`: don't b.likethat
mircea_popescu: i mean b.oots.
mircea_popescu: lol ThickAsThieves you should have ofered 404 satoshi :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00092024 = 9.2944 BTC [-]
the20year1: mike_c: that's what the rep i was talking to said
the20year1: Technically i think we're live now, but not listed on the sidebar
mike_c: symbol?
ThickAsThieves: you cant see unpublic symbols without special permission
mike_c: do you have special permission?
ThickAsThieves: admin can give permission to any account tho
ThickAsThieves: ie the20year could show you
ThickAsThieves: but whats the point
ThickAsThieves: just wait
mike_c: no point. i was just wondering if it was up.
ThickAsThieves: oh, i cant see it either
ThickAsThieves: special permission only giveable by HL and issuer
mike_c: any particular reason you only PT'd s.mg?
pankkake: at the time there were many passthroughs elsewhere?
mike_c: i guess the volume is so small it's not even worth the headache.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.080004 = 0.4 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: you mean why didnt i also make MPOE and BBET?
mike_c: yeah
ThickAsThieves: a few reasons
ThickAsThieves: mostly revolving around volume
ThickAsThieves: there are fees to carry a listing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1620 @ 0.00012985 = 0.2104 BTC [+]
mike_c: ah. ongoing fees.
ThickAsThieves: this led me to considering a MPEX4 or such
ThickAsThieves: basket
mike_c: index fund. i like that idea in general.
ThickAsThieves: but then I dont actually have supply of shares to share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00565801 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: mpex already has a broker anyway
mike_c: yeah, but seems there is value to managing the index fund instead of having to do it yourself.
ThickAsThieves: too much work for too little reward
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 178 @ 0.00080556 = 0.1434 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
ThickAsThieves: basically, BTC going to 1000, combined with BTCT and BF dying, killed a lot of the market
Dimsler__: whast btct again?
ThickAsThieves: Excel for Shares
Dimsler__: ohh the other one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012098 = 0.121 BTC [-] {7}
Dimsler__: funny
Dimsler__: cause btct was the only legit one
Duffer1: it was so legit it got shut down before the other
Dimsler__: well havelock is a pure boiler room
Dimsler__: filled with bs overvalued companies
ThickAsThieves: so legit that I had the only security on BTCT with a 0 score
Dimsler__: mmmhm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00564219 = 0.5642 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: hehe you still cant view btct.co market page without accepting "fantasy" disclaimer
mike_c: they have to keep that in the code for when they sell it
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: <Dimsler__> cause btct was the only legit one <<< so they said.
Dimsler__: lol
nubbins`: okay, so
mircea_popescu: in the end, same story as their mother : -50% in half a year.
nubbins`: remember earlier how my phone was broken?
mircea_popescu: nope
nubbins`: heh, eat a dick
ThickAsThieves: BTCT had a buyer, and I emphatically told Burnsy TAKE THE MONEY NOW
mircea_popescu: are you going to sell a spare charger now ?
nubbins`: nope
Dimsler__: i've lived through the NY / TSX boiler rooms, can easily spot all of them
ThickAsThieves: last I heard he was still holding out
ThickAsThieves: for better offer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00091996 = 22.263 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: i just cleaned a massive amount of impacted lint out of the jack
nubbins`: and now it charges just fine.
Dimsler__: majority of the younger bitcoin nerds have no idea about financials
Dimsler__: or trading
mircea_popescu: burnside knows better than anyone, he's an ex car mechanic or w/e, so it's to be understood.
Dimsler__: yeah and roger ver was a fireworks salesman
Dimsler__: and you are the romanian John Smith
ThickAsThieves: I wonder if burnsy is still lurking
nubbins`: so i guess i'll be a joke at whatever call center "allegra" works at
Dimsler__: ideaoligist get butchered
mircea_popescu: cs chick's name actually listed as "allegra" ?!
ThickAsThieves: can I be the Portuguese Vasco da Gama
mircea_popescu: they're not even trying anymore, naming these is like namig cars.
mircea_popescu: please wait while you're being serviced by concorda
ThickAsThieves: This is Enron speaking, how may I help you?
Duffer1: ha
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: srsly, Sierra transferred me to Allegra
nubbins`: i started to suspect i was being had
mircea_popescu: should be like... integra. honesta. valua.
nubbins`: hope
mircea_popescu: "o hey valua... wanna go for drnks ? i'll buy you all the khalua you can put away"
ThickAsThieves: Fairness Commonsworth
mircea_popescu: imagine if the original inglebert humperdinck was trying to get hired.
ThickAsThieves: better than Catness at least
mircea_popescu: Kittah
nubbins`: "inglebert speaking, can i help you
mircea_popescu: actually i guess there's two clear sets of female made-up names : the stripper type and the customer service rep type
mircea_popescu: tho i seem to recall a vegas sierra chick.
nubbins`: i'm amazed both at how much lint was in there, as well as my failure to remove it before driving all around the city and waiting on hold for 20 minutes
nubbins`: sierra just reminds me of video games
ThickAsThieves: and me of beer
ThickAsThieves: poor mountain range
ThickAsThieves: it needs a better logo i guess
nubbins`: don't we all
ThickAsThieves: "I would be willing to sell ATC for AM100."
ThickAsThieves: wtf is wrong with these people
nubbins`: hahahahaha
nubbins`: flailing around in a soup of words and ideas
nubbins`: "will trade life preserver for large bag of cereal or nvidia graphics card"
Duffer1: how much was burns offered?
ThickAsThieves: i forget, likely 200btc range
ThickAsThieves: but i dunno what's made up and what's real anymore
ThickAsThieves: soooo
nubbins`: kraken still hasn't verified my totally fabricated personal info
the20year1: sierra the game company?
nubbins`: shoulda called it slacken
nubbins`: the20year1, yep
the20year1: I miss a10 2, betrayl at krondor and aces of the deep
nubbins`: * quest and the incredible machine here
nubbins`: TIM really stands the test of time
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg4936040#msg4936040 Ken let's one of his socks slip
dub: allegra's real name is kumarapatayafackalukoa zing
ThickAsThieves: "Just to clarify - Ken is regaining ACtM monies not his personal BTC. The 106BTC has been taken off our balance sheet"
ThickAsThieves: our
ThickAsThieves: or is this just another "we" as in being a part of something
ThickAsThieves: "My only advice is to buy some of these shares at 0.0005"
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, if it makes you feel any better, burnside's "buyer" was more fluff than anything.
nubbins`: it's amazing that bitcoin caught on at all with the amount of fail permeating every aspect of it
nubbins`: makes me want to divest
the20year1: burnside's buyer for btct?
ThickAsThieves: mp you are likely correct
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the relationship is inverse. bitcoin is backed by fail and drama. and butthurt.
the20year1: I know for a fact my brother made him an offer
dub: s/every aspect/the same tardcircle
mircea_popescu: dub has it.
ThickAsThieves: I relayed an offer, which was too low cuz not 200
mircea_popescu: basically... it's strateman fucking up bitcoinica and tux fucking up mtgox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36686 @ 0.00092067 = 33.7757 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: yeah, that's valid
mircea_popescu: then both denying it and hiring each other
mircea_popescu: then denying it and starting a "foundation"
mircea_popescu: which fucks up and they deny and so on and on. it's pretty much one group of idiots.
mircea_popescu: which everyone mostly ignores by now anyways.
ThickAsThieves: dogecoin really gave us a little break time
mircea_popescu: and thankful we r.
nubbins`: dogecoin would make me weep, were it not for the endless lels
mircea_popescu: leltears are legitimate tears.
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wyw6y/why_are_we_supposed_to_take_this_with_a_smile/
nubbins`: mp, my grin is so wide that it squeezes my tear ducts shut.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-january-2014-statement/ btw
nubbins`: It's almost a regular occurrence now where a dogecoin proponent will make a post here proclaiming his or her disgust at how terrible a community we are, how we're all a bunch of greedy jerks, and that we're not as friendly as helpful and all-around-amazing as dogecoiners.
nubbins`: Does anyone not see the contradiction in this behavior? The louder and more strident these proclamations become, the more they demonstrate the opposite of their claims.
kakobrekla: aha aha
nubbins`: i might as well just have my sides surgically removed
mircea_popescu: lol reddit degenerating into all around bitchfest ?
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: some srs hate flowing between /r/bitcoin and /r/dogecoin
mircea_popescu: who could have foreseen this.
nubbins`: general consensus is that btc isn't fun enough
wao-ender: v0v https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtYOZRarQDs
mircea_popescu: They are only assholes to new people, not people that know all about bitcoin. My first experience with bitcoin users was asking them how do I buy it. The answers I got was "its so easy! How do you not know? You are stupid, its so simple" And lets not forget my favorite one..."If you don't know how to buy it, you shouldn't be buying it" For a new person to crypto, its basically like going into a restaurant with really r ☟︎
mircea_popescu: eally good food and the waiters are only being nice to and serving their friends and the regular customers. If you've never eaten there, they wont even seat you. Basically ensuring that new customers never come back, and I promise you, there is a lot of money out there that never got to buy bitcoin because of these assholes.
ThickAsThieves: it's our first World War
mircea_popescu: dude this is so perfect.
ThickAsThieves: The doge army attacks
mircea_popescu: if this is in fact the experience bitcoin delivers i have won.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00091882 = 13.1851 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: "I think the dogecoiners protest too much, and that they are in fact the opposite of what they claim. We shouldn't put up with it and I'm glad we have moderators who delete those threads."
pankkake: bernankoin welcomes dogefugees
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: does he realize, i wonder, that the tables in that restaurant are already all taken?
mircea_popescu: pankkake i doubt you can inflate enough to keep up with the doge ppl.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` does he realise, i wonder, that the people in thar restaurant are not his skin color, not his skin odour and not his education level ?
pankkake: of course I can, the more the diff the more the inflate
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean i'm not welcome anywhere as i am!!11!!1"
nubbins`: food is color blind, man
ThickAsThieves: I'm gonna reply "See what happens when there are too many coin options? This is why I invented Altcoin! "
kakobrekla: the 15th standard.
mircea_popescu: works.
Duffer1: .."seized by their issuer to recover losses under lien. It's legal..."
Duffer1: lolol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56999 BTC [-]
pankkake: award them the Internet Lawyer Diploma
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 52878 @ 0.00011202 = 5.9234 BTC [-] {9}
nubbins`: Ray Russell Reese III, that's a mouthful
Namworld: Can someone explain me why CBTC trades for almost 200 months of profits?
nubbins`: I've lost count of how many times people have confused my last name with "Reese"
nubbins`: Namworld: i don't think so, no :(
ThickAsThieves: Namworld, to piss you off
Duffer1: they probably think it's the next satoshidice
ThickAsThieves: or, "hope"
Namworld: Then Havelock says Coinroll wants too high a valuation.
Duffer1: wow
pankkake: > havelock says too high valuation
Duffer1: i'm having trouble believing that havelock said a valuation was too high
Namworld: They take just about anything, but they don't want Coinroll
KRS-: .bait
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38203597 = 382.036 BTC
nubbins`: pankkake: i know right?
ThickAsThieves: is that $410 or $4100?
pankkake: cbtc is supposed to announce an acquisition
mircea_popescu: that is 4100
ThickAsThieves: i havent been keeping track
ThickAsThieves: thx
mircea_popescu: and what the hell.
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.4879146 = 487.9146 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.47026816 = 470.2682 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.45262172 = 452.6217 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.43497529 = 434.9753 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41732885 = 417.3289 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39968241 = 399.6824 BTC
mircea_popescu: o boy
pankkake: lol
nubbins`: uh...
nubbins`: !
mike_c: check the manual, how do you withdraw from mpbor :D
mircea_popescu: these were all the bids incidentally. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so this is actually a btc long play
kakobrekla: mike_c send it on the No side
nubbins`: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399)*[ticker --last]
gribble: 2829635.295
mircea_popescu: myeah
nubbins`: if you're buying us all ice cream, i prefer chocolate
mircea_popescu: by the looks of it i may end up buying someone a new yacht
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.48788011 = 487.8801 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.4702347 = 470.2347 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o.o
nubbins`: cover the berthing fees for a year and you've got yourself a deal
ThickAsThieves: whoa
nubbins`: oh wow, not done yet
ThickAsThieves: so someone is writing all these Puts?
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm buying someone a new planet
mike_c: mpoe is writing them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10333326 = 0.31 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.4525893 = 452.5893 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.4349439 = 434.9439 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41729849 = 417.2985 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39965309 = 399.6531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38200769 = 382.0077 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mike_c nope
mike_c: er, buying them :)
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: fucking options.
mircea_popescu: worst racket in the world.
mircea_popescu: when you get no customers you're depressed. but then when you do, you're worried.
nubbins`: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382)*[ticker --last]
gribble: 5656260
ThickAsThieves: not being accusatory, but would this be a way for MPEX to squeeze MPBOR writers?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how would it go ?
ThickAsThieves: i dunno
mircea_popescu: then no lol.
mike_c: who said the speculator is going to win?
ThickAsThieves: well the idea would be for tyhe speculator to lose intentionally
mircea_popescu: speculator may well lose its speculative shirt.
ThickAsThieves: cuz speculator is mpex/mp itself
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11576666 = 0.3473 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: if speculator loses bondholders make money
mike_c: cuz lots of capital required = lots of interest ☟︎
jurov: !t m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 121.39535668 / 120.63410743 (14 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
jurov: ..computing...
mircea_popescu: nah cause they're sales see
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P500T] 1000 @ 0.48820451 = 488.2045 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P485T] 1000 @ 0.47054938 = 470.5494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.45289424 = 452.8942 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 1000 @ 0.43523911 = 435.2391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1000 @ 0.41758397 = 417.584 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39992884 = 399.9288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.3822737 = 382.2737 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: of come on
ThickAsThieves: lol
mircea_popescu: well i suppose on the positive angle... this probably takes mpex avg trade pretty close to mpex account fee
mircea_popescu: much to the peanut gallery's delight
nubbins`: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382)*[ticker --last]
gribble: 8486204.375
nubbins`: getting uncomfortable yet?
mircea_popescu: just a few k's. i've seen worse.
ThickAsThieves: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382)*5000
gribble: 45625000
mircea_popescu: you guise... i can crash at your pads right ?
mircea_popescu: i could be as cool as taaki.
nubbins`: wait, you mean romania doesn't house the destitute for free?
mircea_popescu: no because it's run by nazi assholes who don't believe in welfare.
Namworld: Oh lol. http://www.reddit.com/r/actualmoney/
pankkake: does taaki take showers?
ThickAsThieves: i hear there's a lot of slave work in ROmania
nubbins`: Namworld, +1
ThickAsThieves: oh wait
mircea_popescu: pankkake when it rains
mircea_popescu: "ActualMoney HACKED! 70 million people's wallet information stolen! Wallet's flawed! May need to upgrade wallets to new version!"
ThickAsThieves: "actualmoney ATM spotted in the wild"
mircea_popescu: well that lasted 3 entries...
pankkake: hahaha sometimes reddit delivers
ThickAsThieves: lol
nubbins`: $8m USD in bennies would make it rain pretty hard
nubbins`: you'd get cotton fever
nubbins`: they do use cotton paper, yes?
mircea_popescu: so i guess bitbet killed last month... mpex kills this month...
mircea_popescu: we're sort-of taking turns to act as an executive officer for the week...
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: But $8m USD in pennies... Depending on how high they fall from might qualify as a mass casualty incident (hashtag)BitRichTerrorism
pankkake: so next month the cardano is shipping?
mircea_popescu: must be so
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: canada has abolished the penny, it's the way forward
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pennymeteor
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Also cotton fever is from when you get the filter cotton stuck in your veins because Phillip Seymour Hoffman
mircea_popescu: lol
Namworld: How much collateral would a P500 require right now?
nubbins`: right, sure
nubbins`: i was getting confused with cotton lung
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
nubbins`: byssinosis?
mircea_popescu: something like 6 btc
mircea_popescu: .6
mike_c: strike/spot
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: real men don't filter anyway
nubbins`: straight from spoon to digs
ThickAsThieves: some just traded AM100 for ATC, he
mircea_popescu: real men analdrop it ?
mike_c: ;;calc 500/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.542169975254
ThickAsThieves: so through inventing nothing i provided AM100 liquidity
ThickAsThieves: magical
nubbins`: not bad
Duffer1: http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/Options-and-MPOE
Duffer1: ^ document not found
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there was a "performance artist" here years ago who chugged a bottle of wine up his ass and attempted to shit it out
mircea_popescu: did he perform ?
nubbins`: sphincter stopped cooperating
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P455T] 250 @ 0.43518255 = 108.7956 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 700 @ 0.41752928 = 292.2705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P425T] 1000 @ 0.39987601 = 399.876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 1000 @ 0.38222274 = 382.2227 BTC [-]
nubbins`: he got very very intoxicated
ThickAsThieves: stop the madness!
nubbins`: in his defense, chugging a bottle of wine with his ass was indeed a performance
dub: real men dump gear into syringe, add hot water
mircea_popescu: o look it's tapering
nubbins`: dub, they don't make funnels that small!
dub: I knew a few peopel who did that
mircea_popescu: what do real women do ?
nubbins`: ;;calc (382+487+470+452+434+417+399+487+470+452+434+417+399+382+488+470+452+435+417+399+382+108+292+399+382)*[ticker --last]
gribble: 9504399.42306
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: whatever they want!
nubbins`: :0
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 10000
gribble: A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 10067544.3676 USD and would take the last price up to 1090.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 1006.7544 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0854 seconds
ThickAsThieves: it's probly mtgox buying the options
ThickAsThieves: selling
nubbins`: maybe it's a winklevo
nubbins`: or whatever you call one of them
kakobrekla: its phantom
nubbins`: winklevode
ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 50000
gribble: This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 21066.667 bitcoins, for a total of 39555715342.1433 USD and take the price to 3600000000.0000. | Data vintage: 52.3027 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Nah, has to be gox, since all of their money is of the monopoly variety they can push their price wherever they want.
ThickAsThieves: but price needs to hold over it for more than a day
kakobrekla: yea but phantom will handle gox default
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.155 = 0.775 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess we see if there's further divergence.
nubbins`: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2014/02/03/february-2014-web-server-survey.html
nubbins`: "If recent trends continue, Microsoft could overtake Apache within the next few months, ending Apache's 17+ year reign as the most common web server"
ThickAsThieves: eww
Diablo-D3: uh?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.24310363 = 1.4586 BTC
Diablo-D3: well for one
mircea_popescu: i dunno how much weight i put on "sites" counting.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well I mean the other possibility is maybe Secondmarket's fund which has been buying almost exclusively OTC has run out of sellers and needs to go to an exchange.
Diablo-D3: microsoft doesnt even have a web server that works on linux
Diablo-D3: so how would it do that?
Diablo-D3: second, didnt nginx already surplant apache?
Diablo-D3: only legacy sites run apache anymore
pankkake: yeah, nginx is probably serving more than apache
mircea_popescu: possibly.
Diablo-D3: apache is still a lot slower than nginx, and I dont know why
nubbins`: ah
Diablo-D3: and theres no built in support for spdy
nubbins`: all sites vs active sites
pankkake: it's hard to count though. per domains? ips?
mircea_popescu: thy count domains.
Diablo-D3: thats useless
mircea_popescu: it's not particularly meaningful imo, but hey.
Diablo-D3: if I was microsoft
Diablo-D3: I'd just buy 9 billion domains
pankkake: I have plenty of domains, and subdomains
Diablo-D3: microsoft doesnt even host microsoft.com on IIS
Diablo-D3: in fact, I didnt even know IIS was still around
Diablo-D3: I thought it was discontinued
pankkake: and typically, you can have subdomains hosted with different servers
mircea_popescu: basically one of the squatters moving ot a ms outfit can account for the entire "trend"
nubbins`: Diablo-D3, what did you think all those .NET sites ran on?
Diablo-D3: nubbins`: um, probably .net
Diablo-D3: iirc it has its own http stack built in
nubbins`: nope
nubbins`: uses iis
BingoBoingo: There's also the thing where any number of pwned windows boxes can become IIS servers
ThickAsThieves: reminds me of furuknap
ThickAsThieves: the sharepoint lover
nubbins`: unless it's changed in the last couple years
Diablo-D3: and like a third of .net sites use mono
Diablo-D3: plus, you never connect that shit directly to the net anyhow
Diablo-D3: you proxy them for ssl and caching performance
Diablo-D3: so varnish or whatnot
nubbins`: 1/3 of .net sites use mono, really?
Diablo-D3: nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: wow
Diablo-D3: because they cant host them on the internet anywhere if they dont
Diablo-D3: unless they shell out for a dedi at a company that allows windows
Diablo-D3: and thats not in-expensive.
nubbins`: windows hosting = $$$$
ThickAsThieves: my desire for more bitcoin drama this morning has been sated by all these options sales :)
pankkake: good spider sense
nubbins`: TBH that's the biggest ? in all of this
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
mircea_popescu: your inner spider is sensible.
nubbins`: but the point about mono helps explain it
Diablo-D3: wtf
Diablo-D3: the text of that article doenst even make sense
Diablo-D3: look at the graphs
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P410T] 666 @ 0.38217745 = 254.5302 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha dat touch.
dub: option of the beast
Diablo-D3: apache is still >505
Diablo-D3: er 50%
mircea_popescu: for the record, the record is 482`472 BTC notional trade. back in march.
Diablo-D3: oh
Diablo-D3: active sites
nubbins`: record record
Diablo-D3: wtf is an "active site"
Diablo-D3: fucking retard
dub: recordception?
Diablo-D3: fucking retards
mircea_popescu: this book is like 25k, so far.
nubbins`: yeah, i got tangled up there too
ThickAsThieves: i guess i should close my shorts
dub: yeah or your junk will fall out
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, was wondering about the smell
Duffer1: >.<
nubbins`: i mean, it always stinks like dick in here
nubbins`: but
ThickAsThieves: now pubes too
nubbins`: yeah, a different sort of musk
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/64b937d1f1500255f36acd975c2c3d3a/tumblr_mg1dypz7xQ1ru15g3o1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: there, fixed.
pankkake: the elon musk?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: dude how long had you been waiting for that one ?
pankkake: 0, as I didn't make the association before
nubbins`: elon = eww, like, overwhelming nausea
nubbins`: struggling for an "e" word to go with "lord, our noses"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15899987 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.24310363 = 1.2155 BTC
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/rape-question-instructor-apologizes-to-class-1.2521924
nubbins`: the question in question: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/19edpdjuj3otapng.png
mircea_popescu: was that crowdsourced ?
benkay: nerds make tasteless jokes?
nubbins`: "Everybody needs loving and understanding. People get their courage to live from loving and understanding. Understanding means listening and compassion. Rape victims have to gather their courage to live in order to stand on their dignity and to face future."
benkay: color me surprised.
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit of the first degree, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: people don't get their "courage to live" from a bunch of other dorks.
mircea_popescu: it's inside or it's not present at all.
benkay: but a hug and a shoulder to cry on can help the poor abused kitten return to normal.
nubbins`: "Heather is a young rape victim. She would die if she could not stand on her dignity and no future. Unfortunately the persistent bullying online and calling her a "slut" in her community show that nobody would listen her and there is no compassion towards her. A person willing to die causes the person's attempting suicide. Whether is Heather attempting a suicide?"
dub: why is part of canukistan named after two dogs? ☟︎
pankkake: actually, the bunch of other dorks makes you want to kill yourself more
nubbins`: dub: the obvious answer is the correct one.
dub: crack smoking mayors?
nubbins`: ...that's the obvious answer?
dub: crack has to come into it clearly
nubbins`: actual answer is that both breeds originated from here
nubbins`: they have a common ancestor in the St. John's water dog
dub: seems unlikely
nubbins`: well, that's the funny thing about "seems"
nubbins`: not as funny as the fact that the newfoundland dog was bred in labrador and the labrador retriever was bred in newfoundland
nubbins`: but hey, what can ya do
dub: stands to reason
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22806 @ 0.00092181 = 21.0228 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: newfoundland dogs are great
nubbins`: they're so goddamn big
nubbins`: very gentle too
Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149458.msg4937164#msg4937164
mircea_popescu: dub is un-a-bashed.
mircea_popescu: nubbins apparently likes the cok.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13200001 BTC [-]
benkay: great danes are large and gentle as well
nubbins`: i know the words you're using
nubbins`: but i don't understand the order in which you've put them
nubbins`: but i don't understand the order in which you've put them
mircea_popescu: just simple pattern matching dood. the last time i was talking to someone telling me about how "it's great, so goddamn big but gentle" the subject was penis and the speaker a slut.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.132 = 0.264 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 799 @ 0.00433582 = 3.4643 BTC [-] {18}
nubbins`: hmm right
nubbins`: you may wish to tweak your algo
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/ac9splM
nubbins`: ^ newfoundland dog
jcpham: fuck that
jcpham: not indoors
mircea_popescu: ahaha
jcpham: i have a husky indoor and i want to kill that fucker
mircea_popescu: so basically if you can't reach in the top cabinet,
mircea_popescu: you can ask for the dog to get it.
nubbins`: yeah exactly!
jcpham: imagine if it chews anything
jcpham: you can't hide it
nubbins`: the newfie dog also graces the box of one of my favourite local beers
nubbins`: http://nlbeerhistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/screen-shot-2012-06-27-at-11-43-07-am.png
nubbins`: jcpham, consider chew marks on the window sill behind the sink
nubbins`: "the fuck...?"
jcpham: yeah
jcpham: dats a big yo
jcpham: *dog
nubbins`: i can't recall if newfoundlands were bred from labs
jcpham: might get bored and chew the middle or top of a door frame
nubbins`: or vice versa
nubbins`: anyway, i generally don't like dogs at all, but these big fluffy fuckers are great
jcpham: i'd hate trying to dominate and train it too
jcpham: sounds like work
mircea_popescu: they prolly want you to.
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: not like the litthe fuckers you gott fight with
mircea_popescu: like pitbulls etc.
jcpham: large male indoor dogs have to be dominated yo
nubbins`: nah, they call these things "gentle giants"
jcpham: i'd stare at it until it sits it's ass down
ThickAsThieves: i had a gf that had a newfie, they are very gentle, but also kinda fragile
jcpham: gentle giant and everything
nubbins`: webbed feet, great swimmers
ThickAsThieves: they live what 6-9 years?
jcpham: but if it's labrador genome it's probably docile
jcpham: i've got a hell of a fucked alpha male living with me
nubbins`: tat, 8-10
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
nubbins`: labs are docile if you train them, hard to train tho
nubbins`: they're fucking idiots if you don't
jcpham: i should've done more research on siberian huskies
jcpham: fucking dog challenges me daily for supremacy
nubbins`: wow, largest newfoundland was 260lbs
nubbins`: 120kg
nubbins`: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Adamcoat.jpg
nubbins`: "a newfoundland dog lying next to its combed-out seasonal undercoat"
nubbins`: do not want
jcpham: yeah the multiple coats
jcpham: which means more shedding
dub: looks like my cat
chipug: anyone any ideas how to get hold of someone pretty far up the chain in bitcoin to explain to some authority types?
dub: talk to jcpham
jcpham: chipug!
bigboss: bitcoin 4100 next month?
jcpham: you are in luck!
dub: and Namworld
dub: and bigboss
jcpham: here i am. I'm approximately 72% up the chain right now
dub: al top of the bitcoi nauthority chain
blg: chipug: message me
chipug: lol jcpham
benkay: top of the blockchain
chipug: i mean i need someone to talk to government
nubbins`: chipug, what sort of chain are you looking for someone to be far up?
chipug: this is important
jcpham: nevermind i'm busy
benkay: important? sounds important. also amazing.
nubbins`: heh
dub: which gubbermint
nubbins`: chipug: maybe you'd better start with exactly what you're trying to do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00092887 = 6.1305 BTC [+] {2}
dub: and lol important?
chipug: i would like to find someone to talk to the scottish government about bitcoin
jcpham: bitcoin + important sounds life changing
benkay: why can't you, chipug?
chipug: theyve just decided its illegal
chipug: and they are having another conference
nubbins`: chipug: would the scottish government like to talk to someone?
chipug: i know one of the head procurator fiscals
nubbins`: 'cause ya know
dub: they're drunk tell them to go home
chipug: and i wondered if someone would talk to himn and tell him what a fucking idiot he is being
benkay: source please, chipug
nubbins`: hahaha
BingoBoingo: chipug: http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/
nubbins`: great plan, will work
chipug: i know it wont but would you rather i didn't try when i have heard this on the QT??
nubbins`: honestly i don't think any of us care
chipug: this isnt public knowledge
nubbins`: it is now
chipug: ok fair enough
nubbins`: sorry
mike_c: it's public rumor now, not knowledge quite yet
chipug: no worries, just thought folk would care if the government are looking at seizing it
dub: as soon as bourbon barrels are only exchangable for bitcoin they'll roll over like the scotsmen they are
nubbins`: chipug: walk through the steps of a bitcoin seizure in your head
chipug: mike_c: i hope the rumour mill does something more than the deaf ears i met
jcpham: is golf still legal?
nubbins`: they seized golf too
chipug: nubbins, i didnt come to get bitched at
jcpham: FARK
jcpham: these bastards and their laws
chipug: just thought might be good for someone that can explain technically and historically to tell them that it isnt all criminal activity - which is what they concluded last week
nubbins`: chipug: i know, but i don't think you fully understand what you're talking about
jcpham: oh yeah that's not me
jcpham: i'm purposefully lacking credentials
chipug: of course i don't nubbins! why the fuck do you think i am here now?!
bigboss: who bet 10m that bitcoin will be over 4500 next month
dub: scotland did
nubbins`: because you think this is a thing that (a) people would worry about and (b) your government can do something about
Duffer1: bigboss someone with the resources to make it happen
chipug: i heard about this through family and i just thought, fuck that doesn't sound good. I wonder if someone could help things. I apologise to all for that
nubbins`: two false assumptions that brought you here
jcpham: do you have 10 million dollars to bet with bigboss?
nubbins`: hey, apology accepted. stick around for a chat
chipug: nah
chipug: bit sour dude
nubbins`: cheer up
chipug: lol
chipug: doesnt seem to be too fun to chat so far
jcpham: nubbins` is mad because he hasn't sold that .5 silver cas coin yet
benkay: chipug: the attitude to bear is "don't fuck with bitcoin" not "oh no this is going to hurt bitcoin"
nubbins`: we're just taking ths piss out of you
chipug: sure seems mad
nubbins`: jcpham: i sold one two weeks ago for 6btc
jcpham: FARK
chipug: thanks benkay that's advice i can use at least
jcpham: i hate this internets
nubbins`: jcpham, i still have 3 or 4 more to sell
nubbins`: it's not too late for you
benkay: also chipug read this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479282 ☝︎
benkay: it'll explain your experience here today.
benkay: maybe.
chipug: no wonder folk don't hang around this community, i was right the first time
Duffer1: i would wait until next month to buy one hehe
jcpham: sorry i sold everything for dogecoin weeks ago
jcpham: I'M RICH NOW BRO
nubbins`: chipug: i hope they don't make dogecoin illegal next :(
nubbins`: Duffer1: sounds good, the price should be higher by then :D
Duffer1: ^.^
chipug: nubbins`: ok, good for you?
jcpham: stay away from the log chipug, itsatrap
nubbins`: chipug: now who's being rude? ;(
chipug: nubbins`: treat those how you want to be treated back
nubbins`: anyway, we're only giving you a hard time because you've incorrectly identified something that isn't a problem as being a huge problem
kakobrekla: where can i send you all my coins chipug
nubbins`: no hard feelings, toughen up, etc :)
ThickAsThieves: I'm spreading the word of MPEX to the Tradingview.com crowd
chipug: ok nubbins, maybe you couldve just said: think you are worrying unecessarily like benjay did
jcpham: kakobrekla is also pretty close to the top of the blockchain
chipug: benkay* sorry
ThickAsThieves: "didn't even know this existed"
nubbins`: chipug: but then how would i keep up the appearance of being an asshole?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: How many threads do they have on Doge?
chipug: does ignore work on irc?
nubbins`: yeah, /ignore nick
blg: lol
nubbins`: e.g. /ignore nubbins`
lippoper: Doge is pretty awesome
dub: this is quite the accelerated noob cycle
lippoper: falling down soo hard
nubbins`: dub, that's the future for ya
dub: Hi I need help, fuck you all im ignoring you
nubbins`: hahah
lippoper: 138 satoshis today, 2 days ago 186
lippoper: still, nothing we haven't seen before
nubbins`: click on a user's nickname and press alt-f4 to permanently ignore them
lippoper: but it's fun to see the noobs panic selling
lippoper: and profitable
chipug: doesn't work for me
dub: lippoper: still 186 times more than its worth
nubbins`: chipug, are you on windows?
chipug: for my sins!
lippoper: dub: that's like saying bitcoin is still worth 800 times more than its worth
dub: we should continue thi sin #dogecoin
lippoper: lol
ThickAsThieves: good idea
ThickAsThieves: after you
dub: shh
lippoper: (4:09:14 PM) lippoper: dub: Rub-a-dub-dub, dogecoins to da moon!
lippoper: lol
ThickAsThieves: of course another crowd is scared of mpex... "OK well this makes no sense to me, maybe someone can help me here? I just want to verify the trade is all. Nothing on that page even says bitcoin lol"
dub: wheres the css?
ThickAsThieves: add a Bitcoin logo
ThickAsThieves: or BIT.COIN
jurov: so, these whale options have breakeven around 850?
jurov: seems benkay again provided me with wrong formulas
benkay: fail everywhere
ThickAsThieves: ah
mike_c: yes, they break even around 850
jurov: instead of (strike / (1 + buyprice)) / lotsize it's (strike/lotsize)/(1+(buyprice/lotsize))
lippoper: he suckered you
ThickAsThieves: $avg
mpexbot: ThickAsThieves: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
jurov: let's bribe nanotube to fix it
jurov: oh that's mpexbot not gribble
jurov: $tivker --avg
jurov: $ticker --avg
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker --avg
gribble: 929.79764
jurov: eh
ThickAsThieves: so mpex still uses goxprice
mircea_popescu: chipug sure.
ThickAsThieves: whyfor
nubbins`: because gox is best
jurov: they used 848.37 on opex. that isn't gox price
mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc
chipug: hi mircea_popescu sorry, what i miss there?
gribble: 852.02
ThickAsThieves: "crikey! I'd like to cover this on Cryptocoins News can I contact you tomorrow about this?" mircea_popescu, I gave him your contact info
lippoper: !bait
dub: crikey!
lippoper: !crikey!
dub: wheres vexual
BingoBoingo: .bait
mircea_popescu: chipug you wanted someone up the pole or w/e, you're talking to him. now what ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah htey found me.
chipug: oh i'm really sorry mircea_popescu apparently, there's no point and i should just shut up
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, uses the bitcoincharts usd avg
mircea_popescu: which i think still includes gox
ThickAsThieves: k
mircea_popescu: chipug don't take what ppl say to heart eh. if nobody knows you and you behave "weird" you'll get trollbaited.
kingofsports: hello all.
ThickAsThieves: wait USD avg cant be that high
jurov: gox pulls it up
mircea_popescu: hi.
jurov: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currencies/ says 852 too
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker --avg
gribble: 929.79605
assbot: 123!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [-]
kingofsports: mircea i saw the large option purchase on btctalk...it looks like it was puts being bought not calls as u said in chat. ☟︎
chipug: thanks mircea_popescu, still a bit wide eyed in life has to be said. explanation: gvt are investigating bitcoin in scotland and the procurator fiscals have decided its bad and dodgy etc etc and they are having another conference. I had wondered if it might help if someone explained where they are wrong
ThickAsThieves: it was Puts being sold
kingofsports: since when is assbot connected to havelock?
ThickAsThieves: since ages
mircea_popescu: chipug well, if they want to listen, sure.
the20year1: Quite a while
kingofsports: ah cool
the20year1: although it doesn't get all their trades
jurov: So they sold puts to mpoebot?
ThickAsThieves: as i understand it
kakobrekla: what do you mean it doest get all their trades?!
mircea_popescu: kingofsports puts sold short = long play, which is what i said.
ThickAsThieves: he means it doesnt print tiny ones in this chan
chipug: really? happily noted
kingofsports: so wait...i thought he bought the option to buy like 5-10k btc if price falls below 500 or whatever he chose (some 470 445 and 410). how is this a long play?
mircea_popescu: o, that. so go to #bitcoin-assets-trades for all the dust.
mircea_popescu: kingofsports mno, he sold puts.
jurov: either they got margin from mp or they needed 50k collateral O.o
kingofsports: to who? mpex buys puts? i thought u just wrote them
kingofsports: so your betting BTC prices fall below $500.
benkay: "market maker" is the term of art kingofsports
chipug: is it possible for one country to ban bitcoin and everyone else use it still or would others just follow suit you think?
benkay: chipug: again, don't think in terms of people doing stuff to bitcoin. bitcoin is here, and the world must now deal with it. that in now way entails saying no to the changes it will bring.
kingofsports: how long is the option good for?
benkay: kingofsports: options called out with a T are for this month, N for next.
jurov: Feb 28
jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-6-Options <<kingofsports
kingofsports: mpex paid him .488 per BTC for a 30 day option for $500 or below...that seems like way too much.
jurov: it's in need of rewrite but basic info is there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i think kingofsports got the denomination wrong
mircea_popescu: kingofsports they all expire last fri of month
kingofsports: it said 1000 @ .488 = 488 btc
kingofsports: for the $500 one.
mike_c: it's $5,000
kakobrekla: not per BTC
jurov: yes but the strike is actually 5000 USD/BTC
mircea_popescu: technically the lot is .1 but same effect.
kingofsports: this shit is so confusing. on mpoe it says $500 strike price. put option. a put cant be a strike price above the current price...2nd why would mpex pay .488 BTC per 1 BTC option for $5000 strike price. that is an insane fee. i wouldnt pay more than 0.05
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.000931 = 20.7148 BTC [+] {4}
mike_c: kingofsports:
mike_c: http://explo.yt/post/2014/01/21/MPEx%3A-The-Missing-Manual-6-Options
kakobrekla: kingofsports thats why you dont have 5k btc or w/e
kakobrekla: yees mike is more helpful
mike_c: i'm in a good mood today
mircea_popescu: kingofsports the losts are .1 btc dood.
mircea_popescu: lots*
kakobrekla: its a dBTC denomination
kakobrekla: took it after Bit4x
kakobrekla: bastard.
Duffer1: kingofsports the ticker would read 050 if the strike was 500$
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: srsly.
kingofsports: oh.
mike_c: no, they are lots of 100 hBTC
Duffer1: 500 is 5000$
kingofsports: okay got the 5000 down.
ThickAsThieves: yes, the extra 0 costs mpex too much
mircea_popescu: 0s are the most expensive part of finance.
mike_c: bandwidth isn't free
mircea_popescu: rest is easy.
kingofsports: now what is 1000 @ .488 = 488 BTC mean? No way mpex bought that option for 488 BTC.
ThickAsThieves: !b4
ThickAsThieves: dammit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.129 = 0.258 BTC [-] {2}
kingofsports: I'd sell that option anyday. 400% gain in price in 30 days. VERY doubtful.
mircea_popescu: kingofsports mpoe bot bought 1k lots of .1 btc for .488 each, worth 488 total
kingofsports: so for .488 BTC you have the ability to buy how many BTC option wise for $5000 should it reach that pricew?
kakobrekla: 22:33.28 ( kingofsports ) I'd sell that option anyday. 400% gain in price in 30 days. VERY doubtful. < never happend in btc, ever.
mircea_popescu: jesus.
kingofsports: thats why kako. if mpoe wants that option for such a huge gain id offer it.
mircea_popescu: kingofsports, calculate for me the present value of one put option on 1 btc struck at 5000 dollars.
kingofsports: .488 BTC
mircea_popescu: calculate it, dun copy/paste numbers at me
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: what's this, school ?
kingofsports: according to your site its .488 BTC for 1 BTC option.
kingofsports: for 30 days, $5000 strike.
mircea_popescu: never mind that. this is a basic skill, calculating present value of options. do so.
jurov: ;;calc (5000-852)/852
gribble: 4.86854460094
mike_c: brown nose ;)
mircea_popescu: lol
kingofsports: (5000-800)/(800-(.48 x 800)
mircea_popescu: so there you have it, jurov enables cheating and thus ensuring people never learn anything.
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
kingofsports: guess im wrong.
mircea_popescu: puts present value is (strike - spot) / spot.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, a 1 btc put struck at 5k is worth tm about 4.86 btc.
mircea_popescu: since these are .1 btc lots, they sold for .488
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3060 @ 0.00092406 = 2.8276 BTC [-]
mike_c: i always think of it as (strike / spot) - 1
mike_c: value - cost
kingofsports: its a put at 5000 oh.
mircea_popescu: yes.
kingofsports: i thought u couldnt offer a put when the strike price is below current price.
jurov: and why is mpoe buying them at present value?
mircea_popescu: mike_c that also works. it's really basic fractions after all.
kingofsports: i mean above
mike_c: yeah, just a different mental model
kingofsports: strike price above current price. thought that would only be a call type option.
mircea_popescu: jurov apparently mpoe doesn't think 852 is the number.
the20year1: I think everything is approved at havelock now mike_c
mike_c: time value!
mircea_popescu: lol
the20year1: Should be releasing shares Friday
kakobrekla: be careful TO spend it before it hits 4k
mike_c: it's basically buying them at present value and paying nothing for time value
mircea_popescu: mike_c it paid a little!
mike_c: yes, a little
jurov: but if price will get > 850 on opex mpoe will lose
jurov: and if it will be ~ 1400 it will be ~50% loss
jurov: poor bondholder
jurov: s
mike_c: mpoe doesn't have to wait til the end to exercise
mike_c: any time between now and then that it's profitable it can close (and does)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 8.30025573 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 276 satoshi per share
jurov: mike_c: right, hope they manage
mircea_popescu: chipug welcome to finance! it IS a different language.
mircea_popescu: see here :
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/
chipug: hahaha i love the url already! thanks mircea_popescu!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 262 @ 0.00081996 = 0.2148 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.135 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.003 = 0.288 BTC [+]
mike_c: the20year1: good to hear, congrats.
chipug: I'm a fan of any article that references herding cats, but aside from that, I don't aspire to move or shake, just learn. also, does someone proof for you mircea_popescu?
mike_c: no time for copyediting at the rate he publishes.
chipug: i like the site btw
chipug: lol mike_c
mircea_popescu: mike_c no actually there's a girl reading my shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.115 = 0.46 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jesus the new blockchain logo is fugly.
Duffer1: yea it's pretty aweful
mircea_popescu: why do people do this
mircea_popescu: next they'll put a penguin up there or some emu or something
ThickAsThieves: why do they have it in that retarded boat shape
Duffer1: like they halfassed a QRcodefont
ThickAsThieves: they forgot it was only boat-shaped to fit the silly cube from the prior logo
mircea_popescu: hahaha i guess so!
mircea_popescu: which cube was already a descend into suck, as their prev logo was still better
jurov: i must have been asleep when i published that... what is a / (1 / b) equal to?
jurov: oh kingofsports is away
jurov: at least benkay is here? try redeem yourself :D
ThickAsThieves: look at all the lisp clojure biteasy.com
ThickAsThieves: "BitcoinJ is widely used across the Bitcoin community; some users include Bitcoin Wallet for Android, MultiBit, Hive, blockchain.info, the biteasy.com block explorer (written in Lisp!), Circle, Neo/Bee (Cypriot payment network), bitpos.me, Bitcoin Touch, BlueMatt's relay network and DNS crawler, academic advanced contracts research and more."
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
mircea_popescu: benkay ^ check that shit out
dub: https://twitter.com/Wu_Tang_Finance/status/430823914374037504
ozbot: Twitter / Wu_Tang_Finance: CRYPTOCURRENCIES RULE EVERYTHING ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00092836 = 10.212 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: #derpfinance trending yet ?
benkay: wu tang finance is inferior white people in blackface
benkay: you have to be an american jew to do that black music well, or actually grow up in the ghetto.
ThickAsThieves: someone trying to take nubbins weed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat4yw7mJgA#t=25
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x0e28/request_for_information_for_lawsuit_against/
ozbot: Request for information for lawsuit against Michael Marquardt / Theymos : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: headline should be "Things Heat Up for Thermos"
mircea_popescu: lol if they knew the words, yeah.
BingoBoingo: "Thermos keeps things hot"
ThickAsThieves: Thermos Gives Cold Shoulder
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28957 @ 0.00093169 = 26.9789 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: additionally on the bitcoinj topic, the litecoin folks have put together some funds to hire someone to port it to litecoin.
dub: ThickAsThieves: pot holes in ur blog too eh
benkay: do we like hearn?
chipug: loved the thermos thing
chipug: he never responded to that did he?
jurov: he responded on earlier reddit post it's linked there
dub: https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/430805358240493568
ozbot: Twitter / jgarzik: Decentralized #bitcoin auction ...
dub: garzik saves
ThickAsThieves: <dub> ThickAsThieves: pot holes in ur blog too << i skim, and 2dopeboyx
ThickAsThieves: 2dopeboyz*
chipug: woah jurov i was meaning the thermos typo and the ensuing piss takes. didn't know MNW was back bumping his gums
jurov: gums? lol
mircea_popescu: benkay we despise hearn.
benkay: mircea_popescu: 'cause google?
ThickAsThieves: i dont despise him
mircea_popescu: nah, cause mole.
BingoBoingo: benkay: The anti-fungibility and other stuff
mircea_popescu: pretty much what he's doing is trying to fuck up bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: i barely know him though
mircea_popescu: not sometimes. always.
jcpham: oh lolololol is MNW
jcpham: can't take that guy seriously
benkay: oh he's behind the antifungibility song and dance?
mircea_popescu: hearn is the guy that answered experimentally the usg's question as to "what happens in case of major bitcoin fork ?"
benkay: sounds like assume bitcoinj is trash, in that case.
mircea_popescu: by creating one.
ThickAsThieves: Hearn is the kinda guy that tells Amazon they should do drone delivery system
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, that's what he pretends to be.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, he's the anti-snowden.
mircea_popescu: benkay worth a read in any case.
benkay: doubtless
ThickAsThieves: Hearn at least hates Mastercoin
ThickAsThieves: he has that going for him
ThickAsThieves: is Mastercoin and Open Transactions the same guy?
BingoBoingo: benkay: You may be able to fork and earlier version of BitcoinJ. Whatever runs Multibit 0.5.11 seems... The least bad SPV option. SatoshiDice had been running off of an older BitcoinJ for quite some time.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Different guys.
ThickAsThieves: word
ThickAsThieves: Auction Punk ay?
ThickAsThieves: it's 5mos old!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15065 @ 0.00092836 = 13.9857 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lolwut, mnw wants his forum donation bacxk ?
benkay: this punk thing was cool when kdrake put his together. auctionpunk is just shameless derping.
mircea_popescu: this will be a trending topic. "hey guise remember me ? i donated 0.35 btc to your project in 2010.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i lost all my btc playing dice sites and being scammed on cantina marketplace
mircea_popescu: but since btc is now 100000000 billionz
mircea_popescu: can i have my donation back and be like a rich guy ?"
ThickAsThieves: sure, here are your dollarvalues from back then!
mike_c: i hate that reasoning. like snackman saying "now i was scammed for $100k!"
mircea_popescu: .*...
ThickAsThieves: yknow this Lawsky guy aint so bad http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3147952575001/regulations-coming-to-bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "cocksuckers coming to bitcoin" more like it.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Basically the difference is Open Transactions guy started his thing in 2012 and pretty much only knotwork uses it. Mastercoin guy announed his thing in 2013 and... Profit!
ThickAsThieves: why dont they just mate?
mircea_popescu: was before 2012
mircea_popescu: i sponsored it with some btc in 2012 iirc and it was ancient then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.129 = 1.161 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: mike_c at least gives kids something to do. rather than them keeping track of the pretend value of their "investments"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.1243 = 0.2486 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't know the exact open transactions birthdate, but it seems older than me
mircea_popescu: they keep track of the pretend value of their "scams"
mircea_popescu: i think it's 2011
mircea_popescu: early. 2011.
mike_c: hah, yeah. there's even a website for it isn't there? btc sob stories.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/4/5377984/dogecoin-community-raises-money-to-send-service-dogs-to-kids
ozbot: Dogecoin community raises money to send service dogs to kids and families in need | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: these dogecoiners are pretty slimey
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448847.0
mircea_popescu: btw, if you're in the btc/paypal game :
mircea_popescu: apparently they're going nuts over there.
mircea_popescu: "Dogecoin Control Group is running out of retarded sacharine stories to pump their scammy coin. Strangely, the "defraud early investors" thing they pulled yest isn't mentioned"
jcpham: i personally dump dogecoin daily
jcpham: total pump/dump
jcpham: might as well float these dogecoiners on for awhile though
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441485.0
ozbot: Fee deducted from the transferred amount. Insane.
mircea_popescu: this is the lol of al ltime
chipug: I wanted to see how pool mining worked, so I used doge. then i was given some. I don't know what i should be doing with them
ThickAsThieves: you should be selling them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.12310001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: chipug anything that doesn't involve you trading anything you value for them
jcpham: i trade it for btc and encourage others to do the same
chipug: i only have 2041 (lol the 41 was my mining experiment)
jcpham: that's like an hours worth
mircea_popescu: anyone here got a hashcoins asci thingee ?
chipug: yeah i was satisfied at that point
chipug: i just wanted to do the process
mircea_popescu: chipug on an optimistic view they're worth like a bitcent or two.
jurov: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aQqAOEd_460sa.gif
mircea_popescu: "Your words are nothing but attempt to darken our company. "
BingoBoingo: chipug: Go on Bitcointalk and trade your Doge for Altcoin
ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltcoin.org
chipug: urgh but btctalk man
mircea_popescu: alt miners take doge ?!
ThickAsThieves: good question
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Only one way to find out...
chipug: is this your one ThickAsThieves?
ThickAsThieves: yes and no
ThickAsThieves: it's mine in that it happened cuz me
ThickAsThieves: but i dont own it
ThickAsThieves: or any Altcoins
ThickAsThieves: yet
BingoBoingo: Any way this electronic Doge thing has been happening for a long time nao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIBO
chipug: should i take that as a negative flag?!
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448464.0
ozbot: ******* EXPOSED FRAUD WARNING **************
mircea_popescu: dub you gotta read that one.
mircea_popescu: HIS CRIME
mircea_popescu: 1. BULLSHIT
mircea_popescu: 2. MORE BULLSHIT
mircea_popescu: 3. EVEN MORE BULLSHIT
mircea_popescu: 4. CONMAN TRAITS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [+]
dub: heh
ThickAsThieves: PROVE IT?Huh? OK
ThickAsThieves: lol
chipug: i'm sorry guys but i see the forum like a daily soap or something. i can only find 8% serious
mircea_popescu: chipug that's exactly it.
mircea_popescu: we mine it for comedy gold.
jcpham: I wouldn't read the forum on any type of regular basis
jcpham: these guys do
chipug: it really is it times. i really wish i had seen the cosby coin fiasco
jcpham: that was classic
mircea_popescu: cosby coin fiascoed ?!
jcpham: I showed it to my boss and he was like WTF close the browser now
mircea_popescu: ono all my savings!
chipug: lol so wish i had seen it
jcpham: best .js i've seen in a hack in a few years
jcpham: entertaining
chipug: i prefer humour hacks
chipug: if any hacking needs to be done, at least add in something funny
jcpham: http://i.imgur.com/aNbE5.gif
chipug: they were all over the forum too werent they?
chipug: another issue i have with btctalk community is i find out later I've been speaking to the same person about a hundred times, no idea
chipug: just say who you are
ThickAsThieves: so make a wot forum
ThickAsThieves: with reputation filters
BingoBoingo: http://jalopnik.com/putin-critic-finds-200-pound-wooden-cock-on-roof-of-her-1515890130/@sarah-hedgecock
ozbot: Putin Critic Finds 200-Pound Wooden Cock On Roof Of Her BMW
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know about a year ago i made an invite only forum
ThickAsThieves: Click here to ignore all noobs
mircea_popescu: it died, because i didn't invite idiots and everyone got bored and went back to btctalk
ThickAsThieves: sounds about right
ThickAsThieves: people need at least the option of idiots
mircea_popescu: tbh im really happy with this solution
ThickAsThieves: but IRC aint so bad for edutainment
ThickAsThieves: yeah
mircea_popescu: the forum's overthere, mpoe-pr sends me the nuggets...
chipug: BingoBoingo: i like how the mother in the background isn't caring about her young child, too busy snapping the giant cock in front of them both.
benkay: children should be more frequently exposed to genitalia.
dub: Buffett on -assets http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/332831-it-s-better-to-hang-out-with-people-better-than-you
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: chipug: Well, good parents realize they have to let their children fall and realize ice is slick
chipug: we just killed our site to get rid of the arseholes
chipug: quiet while we build it back up
chipug: i wasn't thinking on the falling, more the giant cock in front of her
chipug: "mum, why doesn't our car have a huge penis on it?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 739 @ 0.00082103 = 0.6067 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "ask your dad"
chipug: lolololol
wao-ender: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/04/journalists-at-sochi-are-live-tweeting-their-hilarious-and-gross-hotel-experiences/
ozbot: Journalists at Sochi are live-tweeting their hilarious and gross hotel experiences
chipug: there is a forum coming, in a while
kakobrekla: goats thing?
chipug: crypto finance forum with a private section
chipug: nope
chipug: no goats, i don't know him
mircea_popescu: young padawan.
chipug: are you meaning trolly goat from btctalk?
kakobrekla: he is doing something of the sort
kakobrekla: yes
chipug: the forum does present this weird thing of knowing who people are without ever having spoken to them. like when you know people at school just from attending the same building
KRS-: Lol they be trippin over the logo and shit.
chipug: holy shit preev. the forum really has 4.5 mil???
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C095T] 880 @ 0.02475688 = 21.7861 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: here comes another wave?
benkay: https://twitter.com/bitcoin_txt/status/430699511816941568
ozbot: Twitter / bitcoin_txt: I informed the manager and ...
mircea_popescu: so everyone's decided upupuo ?
kakobrekla: well no, the treasurers have that
KRS-: ThickAsThieves: What is it about ATC that allows everyone to finally focus on ONE coin? Looks like you just added another.
mircea_popescu: 15th standard
benkay: reason fifteen million bitcoin is not consumer tech
chipug: amazing how all these people who were like fuck LTC are lining up their doge wallets nicely underneath their btc addresses for tips
mircea_popescu: gotta keep those quarter cents flowing
chipug: do you guys all trade as your primary business?
ThickAsThieves: formerly mostly
chipug: sorry if nosy
dub: lolrussia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13948 @ 0.00093045 = 12.9779 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: chipug, no, not everyone trades as primary biz
kakobrekla: i dont know if anyone does that at all
mircea_popescu: $t m ^oix
mircea_popescu: !t m ^oix
assbot: [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 98.04225811 / 97.72401779 (894 shares, 22.39 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: <KRS-> ThickAsThieves: What is it about ATC that allows everyone to finally focus on ONE coin? Looks like you just added another. <<<< No, I shifted the paradigm.
chipug: what do you do kakobrekla?
truffles: eats cows
truffles: and pigs
mircea_popescu: i'm starting a donation.
mircea_popescu: drive.
mircea_popescu: to clothe the czechs.
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/1f1431aba2c7bca3a42c1fa9a27b8acc/tumblr_mfycor10aR1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: there are very many sad czech ppl because no clothes at the moment
KRS-: ew
ThickAsThieves: and feed while youre at it
chipug: 1. dude she needs to trim the minge mullets she has going on down there and 2. why the fuck is she outside?!
KRS-: ThickAsThieves: so its the final altcoin for everyone to concentrate on it because you say it is?
chipug: im thinner than that atm :'(
ThickAsThieves: it's not for me to say
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.04999999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: chipug i got asked that same question about an hour ago. i said "nothing."
KRS-: I don't see that it serves a purpose, unless I'm missing something.
ThickAsThieves: have you missed things before?
KRS-: of course
ThickAsThieves: well, there ya go!
chipug: must be interesting if two people ask in an hour though right kakobrekla?
diametric: so i was informed of altcoin today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1220 @ 0.00012305 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: KRS- you prolly missed my comments earlier. grep for straight man story
diametric: my body is ready
KRS-: ok
kakobrekla: chipug new people do that to you
chipug: mircea_popescu: how old is this pic? looks 70s 80s
mircea_popescu: diametric you gonna carry it to term ?
truffles: chipug is your balls smooth shaved?
mircea_popescu: chipug 2011
diametric: mircea_popescu: absolutely
KRS-: lol lark
KRS-: ..
ThickAsThieves: the question is
ThickAsThieves: Do you even mine Altcoin?
chipug: truffles: i don't shave. can't stand the stubble. epilation ftw my balls are as smooth as the day you were born
KRS-: thanks haha
KRS-: and cheers to ThickAsThieves
truffles: hmmm
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "do you even altmine coin" you mean.
chipug: i dunno truffles lol i dont have any balls
truffles: ha
KRS-: lol fag?
KRS-: or vag
chipug: unich
KRS-: hehe
ThickAsThieves: eunich?
chipug: she has nice bewbs that chick mircea_popescu swear the cars look super old though!!!
truffles: there's a harem somewhere needing of ur care
chipug: thanks ThickAsThieves you know, i typed it and was sitting thinking, that doesn't look right
kakobrekla: truffles gotta slaughter a pig as the right of passage for that
truffles: make it 3
ThickAsThieves: well, we're all wrong
ThickAsThieves: it's Eunuch
chipug: it's ok! we can sleep tonight now we know for certain!
pankkake: gnu's not unich
ThickAsThieves: time for the daily ticks report!
herbijudlestoids: haha
herbijudlestoids: not yet
ThickAsThieves: :)
benkay: nice pankkake
truffles: what did he make cake?
truffles: id like some
herbijudlestoids: ok...so does anyone actually want the daily ticks report? :P
herbijudlestoids: i dun wanna spam it if people dont care
herbijudlestoids: ok...20 tick return dist, volatility, DPO and volume http://imgur.com/q3hWvua,foEGS3c,g9VpbGm,OkRuf5A
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 243 @ 0.000824 = 0.2002 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: i wonder if i can make herbijudlestoids draw a nice gaussian curve or maybe even a hockey stick
chipug: wow /r/bitcoin is just turning into btctalk in a different coat
pankkake: it was always worse
kakobrekla: without him knowing ofc.
kakobrekla: or is that just too evil
herbijudlestoids: kakobrekla: i doubt it :)
pankkake: top lulz in http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/
kakobrekla: well i doubt i couldnt yea
kakobrekla: but i guess the collateral damage is too great.
herbijudlestoids: to draw a normal distribution youd need to eliminate points from the dataseries, to kill off the tails
kakobrekla: but i can make up any arbitrary new center of the gauss
herbijudlestoids: and lets say whatever plan you come up with has an unintended consequence which leads to a vol spike, fat tails again :P
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: What about tits? First get him to draw 4 tits, and then make them bigger tits.
kakobrekla: :D
herbijudlestoids: sure you can, but how will you actually do that in the market
herbijudlestoids: im skeptical :)
kakobrekla: i dont have to do it on the market ;)
herbijudlestoids: cryptic vagueness always helps me feel like i know wtf
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: He runs assbot...
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids sure.
herbijudlestoids: lucky im about to switch to the RSS feed :P
kakobrekla: you spoiler you
kakobrekla: bb
mircea_popescu: people spam naked ladies all the time, what's some bars.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 46 @ 0.00286013 = 0.1316 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake that shit's epic, they manage to have an entire subreddit dedicated to bitcoinstocks including no actual bitcoin stocks.
mircea_popescu: i guess it must be because of all the beef they eat that includes no beef.
kakobrekla: vegan blood sausages
herbijudlestoids: shame there is no listed options on MPOE
herbijudlestoids: it would be great to calculate an MPVIX
mircea_popescu: well... wannabe exchanges too busy listing crap.
mircea_popescu: maybeoneday.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1w1jce/ukyo_actm_forms/ << pretty lulzy dramafest.
ozbot: Ukyo & ActM forms? : BitcoinStocks
herbijudlestoids: S&P500 looking ugly down from highs, but my systemic risk indicator still claiming its a healthy regime...
herbijudlestoids: anyone thoughts on the regular economy for this year?
mircea_popescu: it's the end of regular economy, this year.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Invert all of the GDPs
herbijudlestoids: i dun think the GDP forecasts for this year are pretty
herbijudlestoids: i think world GDP forecast <2.5%
mircea_popescu: -2.5% ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81052 @ 0.00093378 = 75.6847 BTC [+] {4}
ThickAsThieves: can someone load www.havelockinvestments.com currently?
ThickAsThieves: it stalls on me constantly
ThickAsThieves: i think cloudflare hate me
herbijudlestoids: stalling here