mircea_popescu: the best of course would be this resort five miles out of budapest owned by some slovak people staffed only with czech chicks, serving only slovenian food and with nothing but serbian customers.

mircea_popescu: i hope i covered them all.

mircea_popescu: i love belgrade

mircea_popescu: you ever been ?

mircea_popescu: surely.

mircea_popescu: the great clobbering looks great especially from the us. otherwise, they have a bombed building downtown which they're pretty much preserving as is

mircea_popescu: and otherwise you couldn't tell, even in 2007

mircea_popescu: roads on average better than massachusetts anyway

mircea_popescu: aha

mircea_popescu: anyway, no, belgrade is good because hilly town -> nice asses and legs on the teens and tweennysomethings, and good nightlife.

mircea_popescu: kinda difficult to hire competent waiters in fucking topeka.

mircea_popescu: in belgrade there are people who have worked at it for three generations or more.

mircea_popescu: "if you convince affluent & educated people something is healthy, it soon ends up correlated with health."

mircea_popescu: dude not everyone on twitter is retarded!

mircea_popescu: "please care about our shitty website"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally, all.

mircea_popescu: i used to do it for sport.

mircea_popescu: possibly the peak of it all was the one tme in NY when mugger wouldn't mug me

mircea_popescu: "just these other schmucks"

mircea_popescu: then the street cops were like... one laughing his ass off, the other looking all suspicious at me

mircea_popescu: i have no idea, prolly local.

mircea_popescu: some random mutt

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they're new.

mircea_popescu: i thought occupy was that.

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: do senators even know what reddit is ?

mircea_popescu: i mean... it's like a truck right ?

mircea_popescu: someone should do a proper set of questions re AMA.

mircea_popescu: "Did you ever fuck a woman hard enough to end up past her cervix"

mircea_popescu: "Was it your wife"

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i did, on something awful. they had a series of aneurisms,

mircea_popescu: do oyu mean my band or my brand ?

mircea_popescu: o i was getting free fashion advice from some musical talent on twitter earlier

mircea_popescu: and also strategy pointers from some webmaster

mircea_popescu: twss.

mircea_popescu: no but srsly, it's ridiculous, we counted once. the total count of clothing items on ALL THE GIRLS

mircea_popescu: was less than the shit i wore.

mircea_popescu: i had 18 things on!

mircea_popescu: sounds more like medieval knighting

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol. well, jacket, vest, tie, shirt, undershirt

mircea_popescu: there's a lot of crap that goes into dressing a man.

mircea_popescu: whereas women can get away with one sheer dress and shoes.

mircea_popescu: "Women entrepreneurs, @Square is celebrating you with an event, & @Maggie will teach you important things:"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hat, gloves, shoes, socks, complex supports and fulcrums for my cock and balls...

mircea_popescu: o btw

mircea_popescu: Yet the speaking public imagines #Bitcoin gives a shit @Recode A Long Tail of Whales: Half of Mobile Games Money Comes From 0.15% of Players

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol nah. but longjohns!

mircea_popescu: "Not for #WomenInTech @Jane_Barratt Is pregnancy an indicator of engagement? @johnsonwhitney @thelist @RuthAnnH"

mircea_popescu: Bugpowder gotta play the entire book.

mircea_popescu: when i said they're redoing bitcoinica i meant it.

mircea_popescu: albanian tourism lol

mircea_popescu: Боснийская пирамида ya right lol.

mircea_popescu: i never heard of it

mircea_popescu: "В Америке нигга, а в Белграде – цига"

mircea_popescu: this is possibly the mother of all false friends.

mircea_popescu: they think black people are a sort of us gypsies, but heh.

mircea_popescu: Цыганский год ahahaha ok that i've heard.

mircea_popescu: amusingly, romanian uses "cat's tits" to indicate superlative achievement.

mircea_popescu: in romanian it's probably cause it rhymes. tita de mita, t͡sɨt͡sa dø mɨt͡sa

mircea_popescu: bee's knees is also onomatopaeic so there's a thick line of that.

mircea_popescu: amusingly : romanians are universally convinced (through the virtues of nutty p;rimary education) that "romanian is the only language which is written as it is heard"

mircea_popescu: on the grounds that "of course" t, is read as t͡s

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/singura-limba-care/ if you care to read about me mocking them

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/ < and that re the utter pointlessness of "diacritics"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, i'd say it's a good predictor of sovereignity really.

mircea_popescu: pretty much

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla clearly your point is innvalid

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've used the same us standard layout since the 80s.

mircea_popescu: back then it plugged into a XT

mircea_popescu: you mean sandwiches ?

mircea_popescu: or like subtitles ?

mircea_popescu: if (no ==== yes) eval (kako is a girl)

mircea_popescu: i can't really comfortably read serbian fast enough to watch a movie

mircea_popescu: lol he finally got through the trilema posts ?

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/438891752079249408

mircea_popescu: shrem encounters a dilemma.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: fwiw I don't believe USG is capable of any meaningful banning of bitcoin << that'd depend on the definition of meaningful,

mircea_popescu: specifically if you'd say it has currently succeeded in meaningfully banning smoking.

mircea_popescu: if you believe it has then yes it is. if you don't then no it isn't.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "The Boeing Black phone is manufactured as a sealed device both with epoxy around the casing and with screws, the heads of which are covered with tamper proof covering to identify attempted disassembly."

mircea_popescu: and diametric too i guess : does that make any sense ?

mircea_popescu: i mean either epoxy or seals, can these both work in any sense ?

mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic absolutely nothing new or newsworthy in there.

mircea_popescu: "This meeting triggered a chain reaction of events in which the solicited investors rebuffed Karpeles and his colleagues" vs "Feb 23 12:23:59 <mircea_popescu>may be that they've found a sucker, but that story'll end if i find him too."

mircea_popescu: you're still better off reading -assets.

mircea_popescu: hehe

mircea_popescu: well i'm not arguing more people writing is a bad thing.

mircea_popescu: guy is a little young and naive tho, managed to come off rather impudent.

mircea_popescu: yeah because that costs money.

mircea_popescu: every two bit whoever is "talking to his lawyers" these days, have you noticed ?

mircea_popescu: i don't think it's even that to be honest, it's more like a quest to belong.

mircea_popescu: say poor black kid trying to get accepted by wasps ? he pretends to like wop or w/e stupid music they like.

mircea_popescu: he never ever even bought a record, as they're not sold where he lives

mircea_popescu: and he can't even name a band

mircea_popescu: but he LOOOO=ooooo=OOOVES wop

mircea_popescu: baa dop bip bee-dop wop wop

mircea_popescu: bout the same thing here too, reddit kids "talk to their lawyers".

mircea_popescu: the music rich people listen to.

mircea_popescu: anyway, pulled his chain a little on twitter, curious what comes of that.

mircea_popescu: benkay nono you don't understand. "strategy and research"

mircea_popescu: i fucking love the bs bios they coime up with

mircea_popescu: "coffeeinneusseur"

mircea_popescu: "chief colorist at large"

mircea_popescu: Disruption Revolutionizer Extraordinaire & Evangelist.

mircea_popescu: davout hai

mircea_popescu: basically twitter is what i always wanted as a kid in school : a chance to spy on the losers conversations.

mircea_popescu: you know how there's this loser group and they always talk among themselves but if you go by they get all awkward ?

mircea_popescu: and you can't send any of the girls to spy on them either cause they get even awkwarder if any girls are within like a mile ?

mircea_popescu: really fucking difficult to get good data to mock them into insanity like that ;/

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i already suspect major news comment sections to be riddled with fake anti-bitcoin sentiments << this is probably true just on the general instinct of the beast, meaning that on some level welfare-dependent scum writing the stuff is aware bitcoin will kill it and wants to survive.

mircea_popescu: the more concerning thing however is that mah people are measuring incredible levels of random-forum-oposition to bitcoin,

mircea_popescu: coming from supposedly jane and jons next door, who however mysteriously all share the same stupid talking points.

mircea_popescu: and this makes no sense because for the money it'd cost to plant 1mn idiots in 100k forums nobody really reads, the attacker could jhust as well have built a mining farm

mircea_popescu: cheaper, faster, safer and overal better.

mircea_popescu: so i have no idea what gives in there.

mircea_popescu: benkay perhaps ? it is i confess one of the foremost riddles in my head.

mircea_popescu: they don't have ai that good.

mircea_popescu: no, there aren't, because see you end up signing it.

mircea_popescu: i start sifting the data and spot patters

mircea_popescu: so far not spotting much tho.

mircea_popescu: basically the problems of 1) do what you describe and 2) make a rsa key are homologous.

mircea_popescu: i can attack both with the same math.

mircea_popescu: well but as to which part ?

mircea_popescu: yw.

mircea_popescu: o i thought you had got it lol.

mircea_popescu: ok. suppose i hire you to do this job. now you have to make 100k posts a day from supposedly 100k different handles on 1mn forums.

mircea_popescu: you write code to do this.

mircea_popescu: an attacker sees 50k posts on 400k forums, compares the timing of them and knows what processors you are using.

mircea_popescu: side channel attack ? win.

mircea_popescu: at large volumes, all data generation is key generation.

mircea_popescu: a coupla hundred different datasets that don't really coallesce.

mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if i were the only one.

mircea_popescu: well obviously i'm not discussing that.

mircea_popescu: if it wasn't obvious by the previous two passes :D

mircea_popescu: i guess i ended up self-employed in a consulting capacity. again.

mircea_popescu: benkay incidentally, that's such splendid bias.

mircea_popescu: most sane people (and defo anyone in finance) strongly despises "devs"

mircea_popescu: every geek worships devs.

mircea_popescu: cause you know, in geek space the dev is god.

mircea_popescu: kinda curious how the dev thing (as a cultural construct mind you) will fare.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform Apocalyptic here's the problem : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533543 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: the soviets also printed their own usd.

mircea_popescu: nevertheless we were plainly able to buy their bureaucracy once the politburo was unable to keep the suit shops supplied.

mircea_popescu: benkay i meant culturally not economically.

mircea_popescu: kinda clear how economy works.

mircea_popescu: i am 12 and what is sarcasm ?

mircea_popescu: sadgasm.

mircea_popescu: lol.

mircea_popescu: didn't i just say that above re twitter ?

mircea_popescu: :D

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 30k buys jpm a senator. it buys a somali 100k rounds of 7.62x39. it buys you: a toyota. << this is not exactly correct tho. consider : i have three girls, they kinda like each other. like-like. they share an appartment, we sometimes fuck. the whole shebang costs me maybe 30k a year. prolly less.

mircea_popescu: does 30k buy me three young sluts ?

mircea_popescu: benkay you're clearly a traitor to the holy cause of geekery.

mircea_popescu: careful who you tell or you may end up convicted to six months' eyeroll therapy.

mircea_popescu: what for, to buy a senator ?

mircea_popescu: and robot nucular subs ?

mircea_popescu: subs are cool.

mircea_popescu: you missed the robot part ?

mircea_popescu: a robot nuclear submarine is perhaps one of the best power projectors available.

mircea_popescu: it never needs to surface

mircea_popescu: and it can communicate on mpex protocol.

mircea_popescu: hehe

mircea_popescu: anyway : aircraft easy to spot. a well designed sub is impossible to spot.

mircea_popescu: aircraft impossible to make large enough for nuclear power to work. submarines pretty much only work as nukes.

mircea_popescu: lolz

mircea_popescu: benkay actually, check it out : robot 3d printing nuclear marine exploatation sub.

mircea_popescu: it just sits on the bottom of the sea, like 3-4 miles long, half a mile thick sort of catfish

mircea_popescu: and it just makes more of itself.

mircea_popescu: then one day, they emerge

mircea_popescu: i think we have a decent sf novel premise here.

mircea_popescu: nono, these never run amok.

mircea_popescu: they just disciplinedly reorganise the world.

mircea_popescu: i can't imagine a better metaphore for bitcoin

mircea_popescu: there's all these people on the surface redditing about shit.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in the depths...

mircea_popescu: soon enough the uk falls into the see

mircea_popescu: sea*

mircea_popescu: because the undersubs thought it expedient to cut an eighty mile tall hole in the bedrock supporting it

mircea_popescu: because pretty crystals.

mircea_popescu: various us senators make proclamations about how intolerable this is.

mircea_popescu: the subs care, deeply.

mircea_popescu: benkay notrly ?

mircea_popescu: o o that. yeah heard of it

mircea_popescu: how you gonna launch airbreathing rocket 4 miles underwater ?

mircea_popescu: butwait.

mircea_popescu: nonono.

mircea_popescu: the tube strength and relative pressure required to not crush it at depth

mircea_popescu: ensures it does not emerge to surface.

mircea_popescu: i think you don't take my meaning. consider :

mircea_popescu: let pI be internal pressure, pE be external pressure.

mircea_popescu: pI-pE defines the strength of the tube wall

mircea_popescu: Stw defines weight of the entire thing

mircea_popescu: Wtet defines pI - pE

mircea_popescu: then why's it buoy ?

mircea_popescu: then how does it climb 4 miles ?

mircea_popescu: cause you're launching it from the ocean floor.

mircea_popescu: ...

mircea_popescu: you want to make a tube 4 miles long ?

mircea_popescu: in WATER ?

mircea_popescu: good idea.

mircea_popescu: use your inflatable tube.

mircea_popescu: B007 who'll write it ?

mircea_popescu: jurov no in this case it's competent self management. i was inches from going "oh go get laid, you're nuts" at him.

mircea_popescu: lolk

mircea_popescu: so where are you ?

mircea_popescu: well if she ever writes it have her drop a link here.

mircea_popescu: chocolate, clothes...

mircea_popescu: we were either coming from or going to the beach

mircea_popescu: what are these gypsy muzaks

mircea_popescu: this sounds familiar.

mircea_popescu: everyone has to look at the logs all the time

mircea_popescu: it's the only tenet of the assets faith

mircea_popescu: nubsy was doing something like that.

mircea_popescu: of course he's special so he can't really block print, he has to draw.

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` ^

mircea_popescu: o look decimation had it before me :D sorry, hadn't read the entire log.

mircea_popescu: the20year1: is it provable/possible that gox has 740k bitcoins 'somewhere'? < that figure includes all their numerous historical losses going back 4 years, converted to bitcoin at the time of loss

mircea_popescu: this method vastly overstates it.

mircea_popescu: davout it never was audited.

mircea_popescu: that part is true.

mircea_popescu: jurov they lost about 200k in one go o nthat 1 cent/btc debacle in 2011 if you recall ☟︎

mircea_popescu: they lost like 50k buying some bs polish exchange

mircea_popescu: about 600k of those claimed 750k happened by 2012.

mircea_popescu: InfiniteRadio_ what campus is that /

mircea_popescu: davout at the time they were throwing money around

mircea_popescu: i just lumped together all the "pr moves" around their first capital injection

mircea_popescu: you know, like neobee's geting in all cypruss newspapers (for an undisclosed cost)

mircea_popescu: "everyone" ?

mircea_popescu: everyone takes a 100% loss.

mircea_popescu: mtgox can't even cover the btc it owes the bitcoinica liquidators.

mircea_popescu: the only thing is the bitcoin trademark, which was IDIOTICALLY assigned to mtgox by people without a clue

mircea_popescu: and now is up for grabs by whatever ill intended agency.

mircea_popescu: which is why strategically competent people called themselves MPEx rather than BTCex

mircea_popescu: but hey, what's the rush to figuring things out.

mircea_popescu: you can't hold a trademark on people's legal names against their use thereof.

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: jurov thee's a lot of stuff. Pharmaceutical preparations for the treatment of pulmonary, inflammatory and infectious diseases ; Management and organization of multi-purpose exhibit showrooms for others ; Electric and electronic video surveillance installations.

mircea_popescu: davout thjat's how it works everywhere, trade harmonisation etc.

mircea_popescu: for instance

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/trilema®/

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/432923293687885824 aaahhh

mircea_popescu: jurov i guess i'd just use a diff name

mircea_popescu: mebbe i call them... Burnside

mircea_popescu: dexX7_ hm ?

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523392 < i suspect that is the link you're looking for. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: yes, they were/

mircea_popescu: mark0v http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2014#534574 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: you know, i ended up repeating this pretty much twice a day because nobody reads logs.

mircea_popescu: it's a good idea to read the logs.

mircea_popescu: markov for a long, long time.

mircea_popescu: dexX7_ part of it was lost to the usg, as a result of karpeles signing false documents

mircea_popescu: (this goes right backl to the earlier discussion re "lawyers")

mircea_popescu: part of it was lost to an unclear event which may be some sort of dwolla backstab or else some deal or who the fuck knows

mircea_popescu: part of it is just expenses, like rubber balls.

mircea_popescu: markov i wouldn't put much stock in anything mtgox/karpeles say or said.

mircea_popescu: they've been pretty much lieing at every turn since 2011.

mircea_popescu: dexX7_ because their accounting was a complete mess, and because they never followed the an0 spec, things that'd be normally deductions have no scriptural basis.

mircea_popescu: afaik coinlab is really in the red.

mircea_popescu: ie, mtgox stole more from coinlab than coinlab stole from mtgox.

mircea_popescu: markov http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/

mircea_popescu: and bitcoinbuilder is you know, some website

mircea_popescu: anyone can write any numbers they wish on their website

mircea_popescu: goxxed what did you pay for it ?

mircea_popescu: markov yup. and the nyse and the wh.org and everything else.

mircea_popescu: thats why we have the wot and on it goes.

mircea_popescu: discerning the grain from the chaff is a full time professional endeavour

mircea_popescu: i'm with davout, i wouldn't pay 50 btc for that.

mircea_popescu: pay 1 btc or less on a lark, i can see. like you'd buy a lottery ticket

mircea_popescu: dexX7_ you know, p e singer made a few millions that way

mircea_popescu: course, sovereign debt is quite a differen story.

mircea_popescu: markov i guess that proves the alleged founder of dreamhost is an idiot ?

mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "Greek police, under the orders of the Ministry of Public Order & Citizen Protection, have begun to enter schools in order to establish the political views and activities of schoolchildren and their families"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/25/scho-f25.html you'll love the names.

mircea_popescu: markov clearly.

mircea_popescu: > . <

mircea_popescu: solid like pixiedust.

mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhd4HUhCMAAxKQy.jpg:large

mircea_popescu: teh ukraine is going well.

mircea_popescu: nope.

mircea_popescu: markov timisoara, romania

mircea_popescu: jurov amusingly, romania had a published (but not public) policy of allowing open immigration for israelis should they need it

mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone seriously considered the ukrainians moving en masse

mircea_popescu: least of all the ukrainians themselves

mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhclSE7IQAADU3K.jpg:large

mircea_popescu: oops

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/SergeiShoigu/status/438975883597348864 < if anyone cares.

mircea_popescu: markov this is how "HC SVNT DRACONES" is noted in modern english

mircea_popescu: yeah.

mircea_popescu: "people smarter than us who aren't impressed with our conventions" => evil!

mircea_popescu: http://82.99.29.187:443/file/wzbdxg?type=shared-window&item=png

mircea_popescu: meanwhile teh yuan is moving

mircea_popescu: ahahaha mike hearn harping about how teh Powerfully Retarded Rangers are nao poor and will disband

mircea_popescu: good fucking riddance, bunch of clueless impudent goofs.

mircea_popescu: sure.

mircea_popescu: and jesse powell fucktard is like, o, here's my friend jared kenna please help us.

mircea_popescu: basically there's this core of idiots and scammers and the idiots just won't let the scammers loose.

mircea_popescu: it's beyond the fucking pale.

mircea_popescu: some guy was bitching that 30mn youtube views only made him like 20k usd

mircea_popescu: so i would guess about 10-15 satoshi per view ?

mircea_popescu: since assbot only logs since apr 2013, in case anyone's curious re older logs :

mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1665537/

mircea_popescu: feb 2013/aug 2012

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo roger ver is one of those guys that love to talk to people and then talk to people about how many people he talks to

mircea_popescu: and then go nuts on the forum about how he sent some guy his last fifty bucks and can't afford food for the week now.

mircea_popescu: anyway, lettuce have some fun.

mircea_popescu: yaya.

mircea_popescu: apparently mtgox was the cat's tits,

mircea_popescu: untill suddenly it wasn't anymore

mircea_popescu: and we're supposed to be all surprised and whatnot.

mircea_popescu: lmao gmaxwell is still using kat walsh's mask ? ah epic.

mircea_popescu: a bassoonist with a jd in law that was the best the wikimedia foundation could do for counsel this past decade

mircea_popescu: lucky for them, they never got sued.

mircea_popescu: the20year1 i left the guy a comment, he's not published it.

mircea_popescu: !t h cbtc

mircea_popescu: will be fun to watch the unwinding of it.

mircea_popescu: Once that happens, I am positive and certain that the same people who are now running around calling their betters names will try to turn things into some sort of “mean state infringing on people’s rights”. They have a fine record at trying exactly that.vi

mircea_popescu: The problem is, the lot of them being packed up and hauled to jail would be no such infringement. It is at this point perfectly reasonable and quite unavoidable. Sure, they’ll try and sell this libertarian angle, that’s the curse of being pro-freedom : all the scumbags try to exploit you for their little profit turning “ideas”. It won’t wash.

mircea_popescu: stuff from 2012ish

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you forget the info was motherfucking leaked in public lmao

mircea_popescu: what do i do here, play ?

mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "disregard what mp says expect to be able to survive"

mircea_popescu: you mean how come the various contemptible schmucks - like jesse powell, like roger ver, like etc did not go

mircea_popescu: "hey, mtgox is fucked" ?

mircea_popescu: that's because they're scum, and that's what scum knows and does.

mircea_popescu: that's how children react, your average raped 9yo girl is more likely to not tell.

mircea_popescu: recall when the bitfinex was broken in half last time ?

mircea_popescu: insider spilled the dirt, all over forum ?

mircea_popescu: people were liek "o no, let's ignore whistleblower, maybe everything will be ok"

mircea_popescu: the exact same scumbags are already inflating a replacement mtgox.

mircea_popescu: derp.

mircea_popescu: welcome to 2012. that was the meme of the year.

mircea_popescu: maybe find it.

mircea_popescu: wbaw http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523392 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: dexX7_ they were still pr-izing at the time, hoping beyond hope they'll find a sucker somewhere.

mircea_popescu: too expensive for them to maintain narrow band anyway

mircea_popescu: !b 2 ✂︎

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he's new-ish

mircea_popescu: dexX7_ you misunderstand the freenode policies.

mircea_popescu: the idea is that random joe schmoe can't log a chan he doesn't own

mircea_popescu: not that the chan itself can't be logged.

mircea_popescu: many channels are logged as a matter of course, including #bitcoin-dev

mircea_popescu: most literate people have a lot of trouble with the illiterate approach promoted by twitter and cellphone companies.

mircea_popescu: you generally want to be able to reference what was said afore

mircea_popescu: MisterE tell me about it

mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yrxp0/bitcoin_core_development_falling_behind_warns/ iof you must

mircea_popescu: derp.

mircea_popescu: anyway, it's hysterical. "o guise, we backed the scammers, tho mp told us not to. and we were impertinent to mp"

mircea_popescu: "now the scammers are fucked and mp doesn't want to talk to us. what shall we do!11 bitcoin is dieing!!11"

mircea_popescu: how about you know, sucking an onion.

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/scirper

mircea_popescu: how many people get special made twitter accts to derp at them ?

mircea_popescu: usaoscoin he's ver's minion afaik.

mircea_popescu: well what do you call it ?

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves eh who cares srsly. what's coinmarketcap ?

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you're never going to be able to limit all derpage.

mircea_popescu: kids need their rumspringa room.

mircea_popescu: yaright.

mircea_popescu: yeah eyah he was saying so

mircea_popescu: the entire "buying gox debt" meme pretty much started from ver's blather.

mircea_popescu: no.

mircea_popescu: no.

mircea_popescu: o hey reptil stil around ?

mircea_popescu: anyway yeah, sturles and others who made statements about it will be key witnesses once this goes to court in a few months

mircea_popescu: because selective scamming is in fact sufficient to establish bad faith

mircea_popescu: and from the little i understand of the japanese legal system, amply sufficient to secure a conviction.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "no problem getting funds from gox"

mircea_popescu: pretty much anyone who said this or variations thereof the past few weeks is either going to be prosecuted or called up as a witness.

mircea_popescu: dexX7_ i wouldn't trust that sort of nonsense too much.

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he was able to get carry to disclose private information of a user upon request

mircea_popescu: theoretically he was banned from the system at that point, but whether this is actually true or not has not been verified.

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131608.0

mircea_popescu: so it was.

mircea_popescu: uh

mircea_popescu: usure it's not just some approval thingee ?

mircea_popescu: right, but if you clean a cookie or w/.e it disappears

mircea_popescu: da fuck is that

mircea_popescu: scared me for a second

mircea_popescu: not quite yet.

mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/

mircea_popescu: this doesn't look so great anymore does it.

mircea_popescu: no i am aware, but even so.

mircea_popescu: btw, epic prescience on part of the bitbet mod there huh.

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/439030163729575936

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: that's ok, i'll just take it as reflective of my mordant wit and deep understanding of matters

mircea_popescu: ahaha

mircea_popescu: meanwhile behind the coca cola courtain, http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/02/kaley_v_united_states_terrible_supreme_court_decision_lets_the_government.html

mircea_popescu: "why keep all your assets in bitcoin ? because your usd denominated assets are worthless anyway."

mircea_popescu: well in their case it is true

mircea_popescu: of course, this would be the lower bound limit.

mircea_popescu: the upper bound is about fiddy bux

mircea_popescu: hey, what happened of that transvestite's countdown ?

mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall something around xmas

mircea_popescu: was it xmas 2015 ?

mircea_popescu: ahahahaah

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they looked at atc and started dreamin'.

mircea_popescu: you can tell vitalik there's no chance of that. i wouldn't trade a bitten sub for his crud.

mircea_popescu: apparently the compartment where knowledge happens and the compartment where this stuff happens don't communicate in the average bitcoiner brain

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 who signs ?

mircea_popescu: if it isn't our old friend Cyrus Farivar

mircea_popescu: like one of the ... 2 ? 3 ? sane journos

mircea_popescu: so basically it looks like the crimeea secedes.

mircea_popescu: ill tell you why

mircea_popescu: because the random clueless noob believes his independence is ultimately more important than his survival

mircea_popescu: because his parents have lived their entire life in a distorted environment engineered by government to misrepresent the feedback

mircea_popescu: making the world appear less risky and risky behaviour appear more rewarding than it is the case in fact.

mircea_popescu: this is not accidental but deliberate : the more unable to correctly price risk people are, the more they perceive the need for said government

mircea_popescu: of course this is a bankrupt arrangement, but that never stopped anyone before.

mircea_popescu: nubbins` jus messin with ya

mircea_popescu: not bad

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ThickAsThieves already butthurt about it.

mircea_popescu: http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/hx530c25bd.jpg << how little do they know

mircea_popescu: can you even do 100% premine ?

mircea_popescu: still new blocks will have a reward neh ?

mircea_popescu: but on satoshi's code new blocks always have a reward

mircea_popescu: can it even be < 1 satoshi ?

mircea_popescu: not afaik

mircea_popescu: afaik it goes to 1

mircea_popescu: i guess we'll find out who's right in 2350 or so

mircea_popescu: i don't get it tho

mircea_popescu: epoxy prevents unsealing from doing anything.

mircea_popescu: either you use an alarm on the door or you brick it up.

mircea_popescu: what's a bricked up door with an alarm supposed to do ?

mircea_popescu: but why would someone tamper with the seals on an epoxied item

mircea_popescu: i guess it'd have to be

mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones what the wiki says and what the code does...

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it doesn't do much, i have some epoxy solvent right here

mircea_popescu: (methylene chloride)

mircea_popescu: i guess.

mircea_popescu: if their hopes of ppl not finding out what's inside rest with epoxy...

mircea_popescu: but anyway.

mircea_popescu: and for the annals of twitter lolz :

mircea_popescu: Julian Sanchez @normative · 1h Somewhere, a British spy is wanking to your last naked video chat. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo …

mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · 58m @normative Actually most of these office rat "spies" are women.

mircea_popescu: Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr · 47m @Mircea_Popescu @normative women do masturbate.

mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · 31m @ChrisGurr @normative Sure, sure, but I think you see what I mean.

mircea_popescu: Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr · 15m @Mircea_Popescu @normative not really.

mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · now @ChrisGurr Well I guess we can rehash this conversation once you meet a woman then.

mircea_popescu: mike_c not rly

mircea_popescu: course ideally you run the thing and get your on ss's but hey...

mircea_popescu: apparently its a tougher nut to compile than i thought

mircea_popescu: you dun have to credit ingame ss's tbh

mircea_popescu: i didn't... you know, contribute intellectually.

mircea_popescu: nubbins` why tits on dick surgery ?

mircea_popescu: hm

mircea_popescu: omfg my spam

mircea_popescu: had special characters

mircea_popescu: doesn't show in the log

mircea_popescu cries

mircea_popescu: not very.

mircea_popescu: but you all use iphones or w/e

mircea_popescu: jurov o srsly ? what happened ?

mircea_popescu: jurov cs failed the compile ?

mircea_popescu: yeah the segfault was 99% because you probably couldn't acquire a video surface

mircea_popescu: cause no cs

mircea_popescu: so basically cs ships with an ati proprietary driver object linked ?

mircea_popescu: nubbins` you on x ?

mircea_popescu: this is fucking ridiculous, x doesn't have any isolation

mircea_popescu: any x app can pick the kbd

mircea_popescu: oh

mircea_popescu: well what are you on ?

mircea_popescu: o wait you had osx ?

mircea_popescu: did they just rip off x into something incompatible or what did they do

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla YES

mircea_popescu: that is the thing i was commenting about and doesn't show up in the log!

mircea_popescu: can't you make it so unrecognised characters are just stripped out ?

mircea_popescu: rather than whole line failing ?

mircea_popescu: it's driving me nuts

mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete so did oyu delete ?

mircea_popescu: ah i see not.

mircea_popescu: eh dun sweat it.

mircea_popescu: ^

mircea_popescu: wait is it french day again ?

mircea_popescu: maybe not so well known

mircea_popescu: gotta get the gurlz used to camwhoring somehow.

mircea_popescu: ok so : knowing that the "on the internet no one knows you're a dog" cartoon is the most reprinted cartoon in the history of the new yorker,

mircea_popescu: how much did the author make from rights so far ?

mircea_popescu: more

mircea_popescu: less

mircea_popescu: more

mircea_popescu: right

mircea_popescu: 4 questions. smartypants.

mircea_popescu: awww

mircea_popescu: fucking internet, can't have a contest anymore

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile the retarded woman made like 1bn

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i just think it's pulpy.

mircea_popescu: ^

mircea_popescu: i dunno that it "did" anything

mircea_popescu: it was just there, any other piece of pulp would have worked the same way

mircea_popescu: different than what ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least the greeks killed the nobody when done

mircea_popescu: rather than leaving the turd floating on a billion dollars.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what'd happen ? there'd suddenly be a stringent need for regulation

mircea_popescu: so as to inflate away the property rights acquired

mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8l85yDkWy1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

mircea_popescu: mhm.

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: what did i do nao

mircea_popescu: what the holy shit is a "LNP Specialist " supposed to be

mircea_popescu: o ic

mircea_popescu: so apparently a "lnp specialist" is what they call phonewhores

mircea_popescu: ie the camwhores that do voice customer support.

mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones my question is different. will blocks with a 0 miner fee be accepted as valid ?

mircea_popescu: well then i give

mircea_popescu: i got nothin'!

mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be 0,

mircea_popescu: it'd be current total base

mircea_popescu: >>= is that right bitshift ?

mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg7_WS1IgAEa7sB.jpg:large << map of countries the uk has not invaded.

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: anyway : janet yellen yields to trilema

mircea_popescu: "fed has no authority in btc"

mircea_popescu: yeah right, who is she

mircea_popescu: hasn't even done an ama or anything.

mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#468962 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: nubbins` https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/439030163729575936

mircea_popescu: the value of bitcoin is principally this : that an intelligent agent can turn any turdgasm into comedy gold.

mircea_popescu: nubbins` derp.

mircea_popescu: aren't these the guys with the fake ebay listings ?

mircea_popescu: ya they were

mircea_popescu: As alleged in the indictment, the defendants and their co-conspirators saturated Internet marketplace websites, such as eBay.com, Cars.com, AutoTrader.com, and CycleTrader.com, with detailed advertisements for cars, motorcycles, boats, and other high-value items generally priced in the $10,000 to $45,000 range. Unbeknownst to the buyers, however, the merchandise did not exist. The so-called sellers corresponded with th

mircea_popescu: e victim buyers by e-mail, sending fraudulent certificates of title and other information designed to lure the victims into parting with their money. Sometimes, they pretended to sell cars from non-existent auto dealerships in the United States and even created phony websites for these fictitious dealerships.

mircea_popescu: it would seem successfully prosecuting fraudsters hardly amounts to much indication of your theory.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the hell would it have given them up involuntarily lol

mircea_popescu: nubbins` that may be canada's problem

mircea_popescu: fraud is a crime in romania, this wasn't too hard to prove really

mircea_popescu: sure, why not.

mircea_popescu: i'

mircea_popescu: ve not been in a court for a while anyway, kinda getting to miss it.

mircea_popescu: and publicly humiliate people.

mircea_popescu: supposedly i'm good at that.

mircea_popescu: now that'd suck.

mircea_popescu: you'd hope people stick with denial for the length of the exercise.

mircea_popescu: "your honor, clearly we're winning by losing over here, wouldn't you agree"

mircea_popescu: anyway, the sec, just like any other us or non us, governmental or non governmental agency needs to get used to the idea that bitcoin is a thing, and they need to work with it.

mircea_popescu: not a negotiable thing.

mircea_popescu: got a lot there ?

mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caPnBs5TwD4

mircea_popescu: amateurz/noobz/lulz

mircea_popescu: o and boobz.

mircea_popescu: water, proably. a more awkward thing i don't remember.

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 next week sometime.

mircea_popescu: and i set the dates.

mircea_popescu: myeah.

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: poor sec people tbh.

mircea_popescu: i imagine it's an insane fucking job right about now. in the same day their boss says btc is what mp says it is and some derp senator calls for its banning,

mircea_popescu: before that some ny state guy is trying to get it licensed and the acct office said it can't,

mircea_popescu: now they're stuck somehow dealing with quite obvious fraud a la mtgox while somehow satisfying the demands of patently insane eastern european dudes with no interest in their internal problems

mircea_popescu: being a bureaucrat is all about following a fucking script, which is exactly antithetical to the situation they find themselves in.

mircea_popescu: nah.

mircea_popescu: what, that was actually a thing ?

mircea_popescu: i'd have announced it if i was.

mircea_popescu: nah i was not.

mircea_popescu: someone srsly thought i was ?

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 sure. the dutch managed to regulate dutch trade just fine

mircea_popescu: by delegating it to the people who knew wtf was going on.

mircea_popescu: that group is predicated on the theory of "knowing wtf is going on"

mircea_popescu: miners can;t disagree with that.

mircea_popescu: how are they in the position to offer me a job ?!

mircea_popescu: what do i get paid in, usg stock ?

mircea_popescu: but i dun wanna be king of us.

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 well sure but i never heard of this working

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know, if i wanted a larger harem i'd enlarge my harem.

mircea_popescu: that's the catch lol

mircea_popescu: i don't.

mircea_popescu: hm ?

mircea_popescu: ya but what does it mean

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: what, people can live just fine after they maxlvl

mircea_popescu: just a lot moar zen.

mircea_popescu: but anyway, speaking of glbse, did they extradite mccarthy guy yet ?

mircea_popescu: cause that's a trial i'd actually like to see

mircea_popescu: "your honor, may i just say derp"

mircea_popescu: oic.

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 yes, the irony of the situation is that really, there's a lot of work to do

mircea_popescu: not like ima send czech vixens to pick up the slaughters or w/e

mircea_popescu: and im sure mpoe-pr would love nothing more than the equivalent of civ's "our words are backed by nuclear weapons" pasted in her sigline

mircea_popescu: so it doesn't *have* to be all enmitous and shit.

mircea_popescu: it isn't ?

mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490781.msg5409053#msg5409053

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: for they too young to get the reference : rarity was a notorious troll in 2011

mircea_popescu: also happened to be either posing as or actually an underage fellow

mircea_popescu: ended up publishing really dubious pms from i forget who the fuck

mircea_popescu: but this was just at the peak of bruce wagner's thai prostitution stuff

mircea_popescu: am i the only one here old enough to remember all this ancient history ?

mircea_popescu: this is 2010-2011 stuffd

mircea_popescu: so there was this guy by the name of bruce wagner, the original bitcoin jesus.

mircea_popescu: he was a bit of a pedo, and ran his own tv show out of some ny studio

mircea_popescu: studio as in, apartment.

mircea_popescu: together with his mentally retarded boyfriend

mircea_popescu: mentally retarded to the degree he filmed entire episodes of their show with the camera in demo mode

mircea_popescu: just in case you ever wondered how bitcoin got the early reputation of being a toy for the tards.

mircea_popescu: that show was called the bitcoin show.

mircea_popescu: and the original bitcoin jesus recommended quite strongly a wallet service called mybitcoin

mircea_popescu: which ran off with whatever, 500k btc ? something.

mircea_popescu: http://buttcoin.org/the-fucked-up-people-of-bitcoin-and-bruce-wagners-predictable-thoughts-on-rape

mircea_popescu: butccoin is actually a good entry point for that old drama.

mircea_popescu: well... possibly in thailand.

mircea_popescu: the most sordid part of all of it being that the guy wanted to organise bitcoin's first conference in thailand

mircea_popescu: because child prostitutes are cheap there

mircea_popescu: it was later unearthed he had an entire opus written about being a gay whore and whatnot.

mircea_popescu: obviously nobody went, but still.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it WAS sponsored by mtgox wasn't it

mircea_popescu: yeah it's now coming back to me

mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVabnqRj_8I << sample.

mircea_popescu: anyway, this was somehow related to getting some poor schmucks to take bitcoin for their grill in new york

mircea_popescu: the shop went under.

mircea_popescu: it also is related to gmaxwell's fat girlfriend breaking a segway or was it amir taaki that broke the segway or what the fuck was that

mircea_popescu: carpevm ahahaha

mircea_popescu: jesus fuckwit cant even use his butterfly mic

mircea_popescu: mezegrill that was it yea

mircea_popescu: noty

mircea_popescu: lol true professionals, tradehill.

mircea_popescu: ahh such a lol this pseudocurrency thing

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they figured... hey, perfect fit

mircea_popescu: benkay this is possible an explanation for the grill thing's fate sure

mircea_popescu: 2,111 views check that shit out.

mircea_popescu: anyway, this guy is sort-of like what max keiser aspires to be

mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin's scam based economy runs on 15-35 year old white men who are very very upset about... The fed? Government regulation? Their crippling inability to purchase mercenary divisions to conquer small countries?"

mircea_popescu: ahaha

mircea_popescu: i kinda miss the old days

mircea_popescu: yayaya!

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla check it out : http://onlyonetv.com/

mircea_popescu: their last show is the shtylman show!

mircea_popescu: (for the people joining us late, shtylman was some geek who created the bitfloor disaster)

mircea_popescu: worth a read.

mircea_popescu: aha ?

mircea_popescu: people use ritalin as cocaine />

mircea_popescu: but... why

mircea_popescu: "Due to the real identity of these troll accounts belonging to Mircea Popescu and how close he believes himself to be to the higher echelons of Bitcoin including the Mods/Admins of this forum, i don't believe this post to last long."

mircea_popescu: ok, did i snort too much or is this a little... strange ?

mircea_popescu: is the theory therein contemplated that the post won't last long because of how close I BELIEVE myself to the higher echelons blabla ?

mircea_popescu: but i mean... either i believe myself in which case the post is unmolested

mircea_popescu: or else i actually am in which case the post won't last long

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves maybe he thinks i believe i'm thermos.

mircea_popescu: nubbins` but it doesn't do anything

mircea_popescu: what the fuck does it do ?

mircea_popescu: isn't it a depressant /

mircea_popescu: wh ythe fuck do they give aggitated kids stimulants ?!

mircea_popescu: uh

mircea_popescu: o i c it's a substitute phenethylamine

mircea_popescu: so basically this is the gist of my anti-drug argument.

mircea_popescu: i see they want to give it to everyone. good for criminals, good for students, good to go.

mircea_popescu: basically... if you can you must. the us will include ritalin in water if it doesn't fucking collapse first.

mircea_popescu: "Animal tests found that rats given methylphenidate grew up to be more stressed and emotional. "

mircea_popescu: perfect.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves we were discussing it earlier :D

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform too much like work.

mircea_popescu: wait wait, "I have been paid by a member of this board and high value shareholder within the NeoBee security."

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well then that's everyone.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now the ussr has a krakadil problem

mircea_popescu: because they don't.

mircea_popescu: i think i was at some performance of this thing

mircea_popescu: yaya.

mircea_popescu: this was like fashionable for a summer cca 2003

mircea_popescu: in romania

mircea_popescu: you know how middle class bitches get

mircea_popescu: all cultural and whatnot.

mircea_popescu: totally.

mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/11/the_terrible_awful_truth_about_1.html

mircea_popescu: probably worth a read since we're on it

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves moiety is some scottish chick. what fawn ?

mircea_popescu: what is this sorcery

mircea_popescu: Prometh with Codeine will no longer taste like ghettofab syrupy purple, it will taste like how all cough syrups should taste, like goat anus. They aren’t meant to fucking mix with Sprite and enjoyed after a long night of fucking your bitches and collecting taxpayer-funded benefits; they are meant to be choked down because you’ll do anything to get rid of that fucking cough.

mircea_popescu: loller

mircea_popescu: it is what it is, innit ?

mircea_popescu: "One of these is Soma. The drug we all know and love. The other is a drug called Meprobamate also known as Miltown/Equanil for those of you who are close to retiring. See a similarity? Are you old guys out there chuckling? "

mircea_popescu: actually...that's what my mother got when she had ulcers in her 30s

mircea_popescu: it actually cured her.

mircea_popescu: PUSH|X.YZ|123GPGKEY|100

mircea_popescu: this has been quite customer-support-y so far.

mircea_popescu: have you tried turning it off and on again ?

mircea_popescu: maybe your thing doesn't have push implemented ?

mircea_popescu: i could see a case for disabling push

mircea_popescu: for a specialist implementation

mircea_popescu: lol the later festival.

mircea_popescu: this is all proprietary finance shit

mircea_popescu: it never saw the inside of a git

mircea_popescu: not me, it's his thing

mircea_popescu: i thought we just established it ain't.

mircea_popescu: I'm guessing that this probably upsets people, on both sides of an imaginary political divide that only took 40 years to perfect. Thanks TV! Certainly I have my own opinions, but it doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what is. This is the system. If you think you can effect a huge social overhaul then feel free to vote for Hope And Change and ongoing Afghanistan deployments, otherwise understand how it

mircea_popescu: works before you spew nonsense to your local Fox affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals." Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that.

mircea_popescu: The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for Th

mircea_popescu: e Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid.

mircea_popescu: ok i love this article/author.

mircea_popescu: indeed.

mircea_popescu: i actually translated it in romanian cca 2011 so as to equip teh countrymen with t\he tool

mircea_popescu: course with or without that the system's movin' that way

mircea_popescu: this is true, but unindicative.

mircea_popescu: the road was a lot wetter during rain than during drought, too.

mircea_popescu: soviets couldn't have fucking done it for lack of you know, tv. internet. roads. stuff.

mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you know what this has a lot in common with ?

mircea_popescu: early bbs.

mircea_popescu: people suddenly discovering that joe=from-across-the-country also read hitchhiker's

mircea_popescu: and also heard of chtulhu

mircea_popescu: fancy that!

mircea_popescu: culture is garbage.

mircea_popescu: dun dun dun

mircea_popescu: "The government allows it because someone has to deal with those "patients." The government doesn't any other options. "

mircea_popescu: "Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and...

mircea_popescu: ejhehe

mircea_popescu: You are the 98%, you are totally without any access to the machinery of power and worse, much worse, you plug yourselves into the machinery of media and become a slave.

mircea_popescu: see, many aspire to be a bitcoin jesus, but this guy actually has enough insight.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it may be the case.

mircea_popescu: any basis offered ?

mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan nor is any megaphone.

mircea_popescu: that's not necessarily an argument.

mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan what ?

mircea_popescu: the huddled masses add up to something ? why and wherefore ?

mircea_popescu: do you mean add up to something in terms of resources, like a lot of coal or plankton adds up to something more than less coal or plankton ?

mircea_popescu: or do you mean in terms of agency ?

mircea_popescu: well in terms of resources who te fuck cares.

mircea_popescu: if i don't find the coal over here i'll find it over there

mircea_popescu: that's what the fucking coal finder machine is for : it finds coal.

mircea_popescu: the coal mined is not a stakeholder in the coal mine.

mircea_popescu: are you going to try and resurect an argument as to agency underneath there ?

mircea_popescu: what's this, trojan arguing ?

mircea_popescu: if no agency, then no efficiency.

mircea_popescu: yeah, it totally worked for mtgox

mircea_popescu: and for bitfloor

mircea_popescu: and for glbse

mircea_popescu: and etc

mircea_popescu: "agency" is a term of art.

mircea_popescu: well... apparently the coal didn't rescue them.

mircea_popescu: i don't employ idiots.

mircea_popescu: no still. i really don't.

mircea_popescu: no, but they are capable of making their own fucking judgements.

mircea_popescu: you are, yes.

mircea_popescu: "if you have 1000 average people [...] take over a small county "

mircea_popescu: this isnt starcraft.

mircea_popescu: ok.

mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79o09GAwT1qci6pfo1_500.jpg

mircea_popescu: none.

mircea_popescu: but plenty of retellings of history of the world in english have been predicated on the cognitive device you describe.

mircea_popescu: just because i use some matrices to describe eigenstates does not mean matrices are now integral parts of quantum mechanbics.

mircea_popescu: in fact, matrices aren't even there. and besides they could never be small enough to fit.

mircea_popescu: who they

mircea_popescu: sure, but a different "there"

mircea_popescu: the entire view is broken.

mircea_popescu: pretty much every which way.

mircea_popescu: for instance, there are people right here working for me as we speak and probably reading this. i have no fucking idea where their working for me is going,

mircea_popescu: and i don't particularly care.

mircea_popescu: wherever it ends up youl

mircea_popescu: l expost facto call it "a revolution"

mircea_popescu: and predicate a retrospective causality that never existed.

mircea_popescu: maybe.

mircea_popescu: no, it's not

mircea_popescu: because particles are a piss poor stand-in for people.

mircea_popescu: well it's a degeneratology at best.

mircea_popescu: well so then ?!

mircea_popescu: "suppose this brick is a boat. obviously actual boats actually float, but nevertheless.

mircea_popescu: see how the brick sinks ?"

mircea_popescu: so you like to think.

mircea_popescu: inasmuch as you don't draw any inference from it, you may continue to think so.

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: statistically.

mircea_popescu: once you try to particularize it it breaks down

mircea_popescu: i see no value in this approximation.

mircea_popescu: it's about as good as holy water.

mircea_popescu: max keiser was not actually able to create an altcoin as successful as tat's.

mircea_popescu: philippe egalite didn't end up the head of the french republic. napoleon did.

mircea_popescu: Duffer1 kinda dubious anyone other than him actually paid it any mind.

mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you could make a list of 1k names, but the point remains, the king's cousin was actually placed well enough to displace the monarchy.

mircea_popescu: which he did.

mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan do you understand the difference between saying "she fucked me because she loves me" in the morning vs saying "she will fuck me because she loves me" in the evening ?

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: she maybe fucked you because she was drunk, or because she was getting desperate, or for any reason.

mircea_popescu: but these are reasons.

mircea_popescu: she will fuck you for a cause, whatever it may be, even if it is drunkedness or desperation.

mircea_popescu: but causes and reasons never met and never will meet.

mircea_popescu: right. the foremost fallacy bred into children by a slappy introduction of the scientific method

mircea_popescu: is the equivocation between causes and reasons. causality only exists in prospect.

mircea_popescu: there's no retrospective causality, retrospectively speaking all you have are explanations.

mircea_popescu: no.

mircea_popescu: humanity doesn't enter into it.

mircea_popescu: so what of it ?

mircea_popescu: in your confidence ?

mircea_popescu: any nonsense can meet in your head, that doesn't matter all that much.

mircea_popescu: you could probably have portia de rossi meet jesus if you strain a little.

mircea_popescu: surely.

mircea_popescu: math can be used to any purpose

mircea_popescu: that's what makes it so useful.

mircea_popescu: uh.

mircea_popescu: i never said that.

mircea_popescu: apparently you came up with it trying to cope ?

mircea_popescu: im not saying reality doesn't exist. surely, it does.

mircea_popescu: all i'm saying is that you don't really have the priviledged relationship to it you readily grant yourself.

mircea_popescu: sure, you may model a power law, which will be correct

mircea_popescu: you then proceed to flatter yourself in supposing you can identify the elements in that power law

mircea_popescu: this is a little rich.

mircea_popescu: so don't act.

mircea_popescu: what, am i askin you to act /

mircea_popescu: you mean "it's impossible to act while maintaining the pomp of my pretense". surely, it is.

mircea_popescu: so ?

mircea_popescu: this'd be more of the berkely approach. who said i don't try ?

mircea_popescu: perhaps.

mircea_popescu: so you say.

mircea_popescu: kind-of besides the point.

mircea_popescu: you still don't have that sort of privileged relationship with reality that'd allow you to turn an is into a should.

mircea_popescu: well what is a prediction ?

mircea_popescu: "if my calculations are correct, her knees ought to be parting right about now"

mircea_popescu: informality doesn't rescue much here.

mircea_popescu: sure, a group will be described by a power law. and in that group a subgroup will pretend identification with the power law's peak.

mircea_popescu: some subgroup of the subgroup will impose that and in so doing it'll become history

mircea_popescu: and retrospectively, the "correct prediction"

mircea_popescu: this doesn't change the fact that all the other subgroups of the subgroup each had their own pipe dreams

mircea_popescu: as far as a sufficiently entrenched glbse "investor" idiot is concerned, i just got lucky

mircea_popescu: or in fact, i don't even exist.

mircea_popescu: @twobitidiot honestly believes he's a sort of snowden, having leaked important mtgox shit

mircea_popescu: which had been published months and months ago, but nevertheless.

mircea_popescu: you can't really go from one to the other.

mircea_popescu: we don't know, i never disclosed any basis,

mircea_popescu: and if i had, we wouldn't know if the disclosure was complete,

mircea_popescu: and so on.

mircea_popescu: but in any sort of scientific sense i made no prediction. people even today object to this approach

mircea_popescu: "Any actual evidence that they have this magic “unlimited selftrading account”? I’m sure a lot of people would like to see it if it does indeed exist.."

mircea_popescu: "I’m sure a lot of people would like free icecream, too. And free coffee, even to the degree of queing for an hour to get it. And whatever else. So what of it ?"

mircea_popescu: "What of it? People who don’t know MtGox won’t buy this story as long as you provide zero evidence to back it up, that’s what of it."

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/#comment-98083

mircea_popescu: that was... the 14th

mircea_popescu: sure.

mircea_popescu: well why wouldn't it be ? maybe it was. maybe i can read the future in uvulas.

mircea_popescu: this is in fact a perfect embodiment of your problem for your convenience :

mircea_popescu: you can't in fact establish what it was.

mircea_popescu: and similarly as you can't here, you generally can't anywhere else.

mircea_popescu: sure greenspan_fan you can think whatever you wish. but that doesn't resolve your decidability dilemma.

mircea_popescu: well it's pluriform.

mircea_popescu: so what if it does ?

mircea_popescu: succeed, i mean.

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: you'll look back and go... well i guess the prediction came through. now what ?

mircea_popescu: so yeah, the summa of this thing is that hard rational positions melt away under examination.

mircea_popescu: which is a cognate of both why regulation can't resolve market problems and why "self enforcing contracts" are nonsense.

mircea_popescu: and further a cognate of quite catholic notions of divinity.

mircea_popescu: so ?

mircea_popescu: suppose there's S.LAUGHING, a stock.

mircea_popescu: suppose each day it increases x%

mircea_popescu: you verify this theory until you're bored.

mircea_popescu: now what ?

mircea_popescu: so you should buy it.

mircea_popescu: do you actually buy it just because you should ?

mircea_popescu: yeah well... i don't.

mircea_popescu: cause i have to also feel like it.

mircea_popescu: how would i know ?

mircea_popescu: and for that matter, how would you.

mircea_popescu: but these are all of the nature of the x% you realise.

mircea_popescu: pirate can pay 7% a week untill he falls over.

mircea_popescu: for all i care.

mircea_popescu: well lol.

mircea_popescu: Untermyer: Is not commercial credit based primarily upon money or property?

mircea_popescu: Morgan: No, sir. The first thing is character.

mircea_popescu: Untermyer: Before money or property?

mircea_popescu: Morgan: Before money or anything else.

mircea_popescu: so you say. maybe you do. maybe, however, you don;t.

mircea_popescu: right-o. thatd be the problem we've been discussing.

mircea_popescu: you excused this untenable presumption on the grounds that your high expectations of yourself would otherwise paralyze you,

mircea_popescu: should you find yourself alone with a cunt that's not properly bred according to the customs of your class

mircea_popescu: and who maybe doesn't even - horror of horrors - speak your language.

mircea_popescu: your process is not going to be perfect, and the representation that it is makes no sense.

mircea_popescu: you slide in and out of it.

mircea_popescu: but why be mean.

mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan what does "better" mean ? your mommy would approve ?

mircea_popescu: you perceive a distinction between this meta-modelling and your mommy ? what would it be ?

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: what, you're a romanian orphan too ?!

mircea_popescu: you can't trust anything, get real.

mircea_popescu: it's a fiction, this. "i think". pray tell, what do you think.

mircea_popescu: i'm a great fan of descartes, just, not ready to marry him.

mircea_popescu: the cogito goes as proof of existence, it's abused to all hell by people who lack the context to understand what's being said.

mircea_popescu: these days it's used as a sort of chip-n-dip

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: but that does not extend to "and by this light make his decisions acceptable"

mircea_popescu: but this is wildly different from what we were discussing

mircea_popescu: unless by "my own" you mean "1k random people i've chosen to represent as my own pebbles"

mircea_popescu: well, so you can control your own actions, provided you don't control their effects

mircea_popescu: or you can control their effects, provided you don't act at all.

mircea_popescu: this doesn't sound like making mommy too happy yet.

mircea_popescu: sorry.

mircea_popescu: it's on some level unavoidable tho, because shoulds link into the superego.

mircea_popescu: anyway : you'll never be able to have both a) agency and b) rationality.

mircea_popescu: either you act in the world, in which case you come to terms with imposing your arbitrarity upon it

mircea_popescu: or else you think of the world, in which case you come to terms with your own inexistence

mircea_popescu: in practical terms.

mircea_popescu: sure, you should.

mircea_popescu: you should also clean out your room, and the fridge, and eat healthier

mircea_popescu: and quit smoking.

mircea_popescu: or so you say

mircea_popescu: ie, so you represent it to yourself.

mircea_popescu: what's so rational about it ?

mircea_popescu: so you should stop dieing then.

mircea_popescu: why dont you ?

mircea_popescu: surely.

mircea_popescu: obviously, you're trying to improve on this too.

mircea_popescu: indeed.

mircea_popescu: alternatively, i couldn't care less.

mircea_popescu: not really.

mircea_popescu: uh. what, i got the burden of the negative now ?!

mircea_popescu: i suppose to some degree, at the level of a challenge, as in, some schmuck pulls a gun and i blow his head off

mircea_popescu: not out of anything than the holy "if you give this nimrod 1500 i'll kill him on general principle"

mircea_popescu: but other than that... what difference does it make ?

mircea_popescu: uh.

mircea_popescu: i never heard the dead complain.

mircea_popescu: you ever been on these new social media things they have ?

mircea_popescu: lol, now there's some revolutionizng and disrupting in a tang package

mircea_popescu: just add vc-water.

mircea_popescu: so how much are you paying me not to kill you ?

mircea_popescu: seeing how it's clearly awesome and whatnot, stands to reason it should be worth something to you.

mircea_popescu: how much can i get off you for your own life ?

mircea_popescu: mebbe you presume a little there :)

mircea_popescu: i ain't payin' squat.

mircea_popescu: so now what ?

mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan it just reduces to yet another faced of your rationality dilemma.

mircea_popescu: cypherc you know you're like the 5th with that link

mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you know, being a man.

mircea_popescu: of course.

mircea_popescu: wtf is untap

mircea_popescu: lol you're the guy with the beard ?

mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you know how mothers tend to end coversations with "because i say so, that's why!" ?

mircea_popescu: well... that'd be them being a man.

mircea_popescu: i know ;/

mircea_popescu: what the fuck am i going to do here.

mircea_popescu: cypherc log's your friend :)

mircea_popescu: keopi ? srsly ?

mircea_popescu: i am.

mircea_popescu: nubbins` how to they fuck without vaginas ?

mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan agree with alexander, he invented it.

mircea_popescu: o jesus

mircea_popescu: "she's got bulgarians in her buigina"

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: mebbe so.

mircea_popescu: pankkake'll be proud

mircea_popescu: anyway, enough excitement for one day. catch you all tomorrow!