mod6: one thing that i seem to remember that I didn't like (many many moons ago) about xchat is that if you derp-paste a bunch of stuff into the wrong window, it doens't ask you if you're sure you'd like to do spammy paste.
mod6: irssi does ask, on the other hand.
mod6: CTRL+K to paste spam
dignork: mod6, weechat blocks it too
mod6: ahh looks reasonable, dignork
mod6: lol thestringpuller
mod6: got my teef drilled. ugh.
mod6: my entire face is numb.
jurov uses Konversation. tried irssi but it was a pain
mod6: couldn't get it configured?
mod6: (the way you wanted it)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 10000 @ 0.00010619 = 1.0619 BTC [-] {20}
jurov: not sure if the window management can be configured to get at least halfway to my mental model
jurov: and i was also "lucky" to run into 6yr old bugs with otr
dignork: jurov, try weechat, no stick/unstick madness, and otr works too
jurov: i just funded development of spiffy znc-otr plugin
dignork: Duffer1, irssi has a weird idea about split-window functionality
jurov: so i don't have to stick to one client
mod6 has never used split
dignork has a hude monitor, one window is too depressing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 20000 @ 0.00006848 = 1.3696 BTC [-] {36}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17500 @ 0.00013371 = 2.3399 BTC [-] {16}
jurov: oh and original znc-otr succeeded to crash weechat's otr
jurov: so i'm not going to trust that one, too :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00096551 = 24.0412 BTC [+]
dignork: jurov, i have otr in weechat, want to try crushing it? just curious.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 148 @ 0.00075999 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 339 @ 0.00077999 = 0.2644 BTC [+] {2}
dignork: Sammey, printf("We're all going to die\n");
dignork: dammit, multi-window has it problems
thestringpuller: i was just lol'ing cause i've talked about otr unrelated to this channel today; so lol'ing at the coincidence
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.01799222 = 0.1619 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: mircea_popescu: "kalophilos, exists as such in german" << I see what you did there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.035125 = 0.1405 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00584957 = 0.1404 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05552202 = 0.8328 BTC [-] {4}
gribble: Nick 'SatoshiJack', with hostmask 'SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18', is identified as user 'SatoshiJack', with GPG key id 5A0C8593D887E89E, key fingerprint BFAC5777A91C88D4F021C28B5A0C8593D887E89E, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03439166 = 0.4127 BTC [-] {6}
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1327 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.8349% in 8d 20h 31m 57s
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.71, Best ask: 442.09, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 440.71, 24 hour volume: 7899.65578584, 24 hour low: 438.08, 24 hour high: 457.3, 24 hour vwap: 446.436343416
mod6: whats up benkay, thestringpuller is in transit or something
mod6: so he pushed us back a bit, which works fine for me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0555008 = 1.3875 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: 8ball, ?, about, action, add, alert, alias, allvwap, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, aol, apply, apropos, asks, at, auth, author, avgprc, balance, ban add, ban list, ban remove, baratio, base, bashorg, bc,24hprc, bc,bear, bc,bitpenny, bc,blocks, bc,btcguild, bc,bull, bc,calc, bc,convert, bc,deepbit, bc,eligius, bc,fx, bc,gen, bc,help, bc,intersango, (10 more messages)
gribble: cads was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <cads> being Professor Cads in an underground university
gribble: (aol <text>) -- Returns <text> as if an AOLuser had said it.
nubbins`: ;;aol i wonder what this will do to my text
gribble: i wonder what this will do 2 my text:):):)
mikaeldice: ;;aol I want to invest in bitcoin securities
gribble: I want 2 invest in bitcoin securities:-D:-D:-D
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Aug 24 22:01:08 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 2 years, 19 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
mike_c: i butthurt gribble. <gribble> You've given me 12 commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 5 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05523061 = 2.2092 BTC [-] {6}
TestingUnoDosTre: what are your thoughts on the price spike of btc so close to the block reward halving?
benkay: when was the last halvening?
mike_c: unrelated. plus, who cares. next one isn't for 2 years.
benkay: supply and demand curves always hold, mike_c
mike_c: yes.. but supply != block reward
benkay: you're entirely wrong.
mike_c: oh yeah? well, YOU'RE entirely wrong.
benkay: supply is that which is constant!
TestingUnoDosTre: if you're talking about mined BTC, that supply definitely dropped
benkay: the only constant input in the system is the mining reward
benkay: sorry that was rude of me, mike_c
mike_c: (not butthurt). but the system being discussed is supply on the exchanges. which is not equal to freshly mined coins. many other factors.
benkay: only valid frame of reference, TestingUnoDosTre
jborkl: Benkay is right supply is static, it is demand we don't know about
jborkl: We know how many btc there will be next year
benkay: we know how many btc there will be per block
mike_c: it's not static. supply is not how many btc there are, it's how many are for sale.
mike_c: no, buyers are demand. sellers are supply
benkay: supply is input into the system
benkay: its the only way you can make the thing conserve
benkay: which is the whole damn point
mike_c: for instance, mp has a bunch of coins. they are not supply because they are not for sale.
jborkl: That is not more coons
benkay: a hoard is in no sense supply
mike_c: right. and if miners are hoarding coins, block reward is not supply
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1715 @ 0.000064 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: mike_c: have you ever done the physics thing where you draw a circle around a system and label ins and outs?
ozbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: benkay: it is fine to say it is an input. but i am saying it is a miniscule part of the equation.
TestingUnoDosTre: His example is slightly hogwash, as mtcox falsely increased the supply of bitcoins, and the price still increased.
jborkl: Bugpowder was a excellent trader
jborkl: That is to what he is referring
jborkl: And if mtgox inflated the supply of coins so the price should have been depressed
jborkl: I did not say he was a good gambler
jborkl: He was not good at that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13532 @ 0.000962 = 13.0178 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: jborkl, what was your point. I didn't understand - what was bugpowder talking about?
Mats_cd03: i wonder what the benefits are like
Shakespeare: "This episode of CSI is so (adjective I forgot), the only way to experience it is to watch!"
TestingUnoDosTre: wait a tick. The last block reward halving was November 28, 2012. DOH
mike_c: see, i told you it wasn't an input ;)
benkay: there were serious distortions in the market over the past year
Shakespeare: facebook lols: I made a post briefing normals on heartbleed and the general concept that internet privacy doesnt really exist. Here's the best response so far: "Is Lifelock an answer?"
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 432.0, Best ask: 433.74, Bid-ask spread: 1.74000, Last trade: 432.0, 24 hour volume: 8132.48884064, 24 hour low: 432.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 444.759992859
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.0, Best ask: 429.44, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 429.0, 24 hour volume: 8820.67184451, 24 hour low: 429.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 444.354375194
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.65, Best ask: 425.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.35000, Last trade: 425.0, 24 hour volume: 9537.03368365, 24 hour low: 425.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 442.726862095
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00096139 = 15.2861 BTC [-]
benkay: tell me that ain't a slide
benkay: ;;later tell mike_c sometimes i think supply is constrained on the fiat -> btc pipe. if cash and reputation and connections are all you have, that's not a terribly wide pipe. perhaps there was something to gox' occasional ability to turn fiat wires into btc
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 425.76, Best ask: 427.8, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 427.8, 24 hour volume: 10250.88892261, 24 hour low: 422.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 441.247888245
benkay: ;;later tell mike_c i guess the appropriate local metaphor would be "for those who prayed, dove through, and magically weren't sliced to bits by the chumpatron"
nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: do you need to do that so often? :(
TestingUnoDosTre: no one was chatting before, thought I had the room to myself :D
nubbins`: protip: /msg gribble ticker :)
nubbins`: OT: we finally got ourselves an American Apparel wholesale account
nubbins`: turns out having a factory in downtown los angeles makes for expensive bulk tees
Mats_cd03: how hard was it to get the account
MisterE: sorry didnt know that was in the buffer, guess I pased out last night :/
MisterE: I'm surprised I didnt get flood kicked
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: three-page application form. we didn't have to fill out the whole thing because we pay up-front with credit cards, but if you want to do net 30 etc, you have to provide business references and a ton of extra info
nubbins`: also had to sign a contract stating that we won't, among other things, reveal prices nor will we resell undecorated garments
MisterE: bit of a selloff on the BOA news
nubbins`: that said, same-day turnaround once we submitted the application
nubbins`: for reference, a plain AA unisex tee is about 40% more expensive than our go-to shirt (organic cotton) and 150% more expensive than our "discount quality" shirt
ozbot: Agricultural Bank of China FREEZES BITCOIN accounts on 4/15 : Bitcoin
nubbins`: good bulk discounts, but they only kick in when you buy a dozen of the same style, color, and size
nubbins`: mot much use for a company that doesn't stock blanks :D
TestingUnoDosTre: and by "What" I mean, Why are there more bids between 405 to 400 than there are compared with 400 to 395
Duffer1: i think chatzilla knows it's about to be replaced
Duffer1: it's stopped wrapping text >.<
cazalla: MisterE: you know who runs CoinJar right?
cazalla: We have 4 major banks in Australia, CJ has been kicked from 2 now, other being CommBank
nubbins`: i gotta say, i liked australia a lot more as a kid
MisterE: I gotta agree with that sentiment
cazalla: yeah, seems there is a disproportionate amount of bitcoin scammers from here
cazalla: one of the latest being some real estate hustler who was in the papers saying he was bringing 100 robocoins to australia
cazalla: he also ran a conference where last year he said the winklevoss twins were book, months pass and it was the winklevoss twins are a maybe, then it's deleted from the website and the headliner was jeffrey tucker instead lol
nubbins`: crazy/10 would not do business with
ozbot: LiveLeak.com - Topless chick goes crazy in Mcdonalds
nubbins`: actually crazy/10 would do business with
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 62 @ 0.0075 = 0.465 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ;;later tell mike_c lel, eulorum.org is overrun with bot spam ;(
Duffer1: blah is there no weechat for windows?
Duffer1: nm cygwin brb buying linux laptop >.<
Duffer1: i can buy a laptop and install linux over whatever it comes with
nubbins`: that's not the same as buying a linux laptop
Duffer1: i looked at those but they max at 16gb
nubbins`: mostly because you're paying microsoft $25
Duffer1: if i bought it new sure, but i'm looking at used, something i5 i can throw an ssd in
Duffer1: so my only experience with linux was probably 15 years ago, and was redhat4dummies
nubbins`: dell will uninstall windows and refund you the $25, as long as you don't turn on your new laptop and pay shipping both ways
Duffer1: what do i want these days?
mikaeldice: I can't wait for high resolution display support to become more common on desktop distros
mikaeldice: My lenovo yoga has a 3200x1800 display on 13", which most Linux distros look ridiculous on currently.. Good news is that a lot of the work is already done, just waiting to be included in distro repositories
mikaeldice: I think Ubuntu 14.04 will be the first if you don't want to pull a bleeding edge build for it
mikaeldice: Though I kind of dislike the more recent releases of ubuntu
Duffer1: downloading 13.1 atm from website
Duffer1: oo looks like i should wait for 14.04
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.5901003 = 11.802 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: been talking a lot lately about bsd
benkay: don' want no mo ssl holes like that one
ozbot: Rice Hadley Gates LLC | International Strategic Consulting Firm
benkay: i want an international strategic consulting firm!
mike_c: nubbins`: ok.. now you have to pick out cat photos to create an account.
mike_c: 2,750 spam accounts created on eulorum. and mediawiki has no way to mass-delete users..
benkay: uh so i'm no expert at these things
benkay: being barely capable at my chosen trade in "lisp etc etc
benkay: i've just started hacking on c and man is this shit miserable
mike_c: i'll have to figure out how to add blocks in sql. the admin interface is useless.
benkay: i dig the types for sure
benkay: but voof. buffers? in my face? all the time? surely this is not a good use of my brain.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2460 @ 0.000064 = 0.1574 BTC [-]
fluffypony: benkay: that's the problem with being that low level
benkay: market consists of a few people trading over tin can telephones
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 411.26, Best ask: 412.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.74000, Last trade: 412.0, 24 hour volume: 15030.68265563, 24 hour low: 410.15, 24 hour high: 455.0, 24 hour vwap: 432.988977841
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 412.0, vol: 15030.68265563 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 409.437, vol: 15238.11147 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 413.2, vol: 12040.28843127 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 438.2, vol: 130.58213779 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 397.7559, vol: 5608.52530000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 420.93994, vol: 5.30464706 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 429.195, vol: 83.16219237 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
MisterE: not price watching is no fun
MisterE: then you can't make moves and coin up
MisterE: I dont usually trade multiple times in a day
MisterE: trends I look for are ~24 hr
MisterE: just for play fun, I have other investments that are in cold storage
MisterE: troll the btce trollbox for a while :)
fluffypony: the btc-e trollbox is an awful bunch of human beings
fluffypony: it arrives unfunded and you email them to "activate" it, then they fund ut
MisterE: I once made a retarded comment about "double inverted helix head & shoulders formation at the 3rd Fibonacci band formed" in trollbox
fluffypony: (to prevent it being lost in transit, presumably)
MisterE: I promptly got a PM asking me what this high tech investment analysis was
cazalla: fluffypony: why would you trust them?
fluffypony: cazalla: didn't see any negative reviews
fluffypony: and we wanted something presentation-y
cazalla: but how do you know they don't keep a copy of the private key?
fluffypony: there's a 2 factor authentication thing
fluffypony: it's just a gift to them for fun that they may or may not be able to use one day
fluffypony: it's not to put someone's life savings into
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0549898 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}
[\]: I wanted to introduce him to a bunch of new friends
[\]: I name dropped the channel in #bitcoin-pricetalk
[\]: it wasn't a fucking invite
[\]: fluffypony, people don't know about /list *bitcoin*
keonne_: people don't know about irc in general
fluffypony: a lot of people think that mIRC *is* IRC
dub: sadly they now know about this channel
fluffypony: they have nfi about the underlying architecture or what services are available and what they do
keonne: dub: one insult from mirecea will probably change that
keonne: hows its going mr pony?
keonne: how is South Africa on this fine Thursday
fluffypony: I took a picture, will upload it in a bit
keonne: especially of your wife
fluffypony: we're like 1.2kms from shore, and the fog is right up at the house
keonne: wow thats pretty crazy
keonne: Paris is bright and lovely
keonne: I'm leaving today, back to soggy wet England
keonne: i love England, but it is damp
fluffypony: I love the people and the culture, but the weather would make me sad
keonne: I'm from south Florida, and I hate the heat, so the mild weather is pretty nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.056892 = 0.1138 BTC [+]
keonne: ok now to catch up on the logs
keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job
ozbot: Whitehat hacker goes too far, gets raided by FBI, tells all | Ars Technica
MisterE: keonne: I went to HS in Miami also lived in Tampa and the keys for a while
fluffypony: 'I basically "confessed" everything to the FBI already.'
keonne: MisterE: I went to Beach High
keonne: for 2 years anyway, before driopping out
MisterE: I dropped after 2-years too
keonne: mircea_popescu: <mike_c> yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes. << zing lmao. what you say nao pankkake ? huh ? huh ?
keonne: i lol'd because so true
MisterE: heh, probably in NL too heh
keonne: MisterE: So you grew up in Miami?
MisterE: I was all around the grove and Kendall area
keonne: You seem like a smart guy, so i am assuming you left asap
MisterE: yea just before andrew we got out lucky
MisterE: indeed I went back after and asked my friend why they were staying
keonne: oh wow, that is lucky. My dad was emergency services so we stayed during Andrew, was scary/fun
MisterE: oh, I was young then just lucky timing. But later I worked as a paramedic in the west for 3-years
keonne: Yeah I was young too, but I remember it pretty well... I remember the national guard closing streets down and what not
MisterE: Homestead, man never seen anything like that
MisterE: I'd ben there before I knew it was trailer city
keonne: most of Florida is trailer city, bad move really considering there is a yearly fucking hurricane season, geniuses
MisterE: You know the joke about What do tornadoes and divorces in Kentucky have in common?
keonne: the sun does funny things to people
MisterE: indeed and back when I was a kid there was so much coke
MisterE: oh, either way someone loses a trailer...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04763005 = 0.2382 BTC [-] {5}
keonne: 18:44:21 asciilifeform: there was a great soviet cartoon about a kid who hates history class and then gets a time machine
keonne: 18:44:35 asciilifeform: he goes back and kills... just about everyone he failed exams on
keonne: asciilifeform: i need to see this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.04726788 = 0.4254 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 86 @ 0.04614534 = 3.9685 BTC [-] {9}
taub: one panic exhaustion to 350 please and strong reversal
keonne: ugh this robwhiz22 is making my head hurt
MisterE: taub: it's going to be like this until the 15th passes
keonne: mircea_popescu: most of the trilema that's not written in vi is written in nano
keonne: i also like nano, keeps it simple, and i don't need extra fucking thumbs
MisterE: I dont really know the difference like wget and curl
MisterE: i read wget was designed for really crappy connections
MisterE: maybe that means longer timeouts
keonne: God i am regretting all the whisky last night
keonne: i can smell it in my sweat and it is grossing me out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05589301 = 0.1677 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00529499 = 0.1059 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.00529899 = 0.2649 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 18 @ 0.00717783 = 0.1292 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 151 @ 0.58505045 = 88.3426 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00208499 = 0.1084 BTC [+]
ozbot: Schneier on Security: Heartbleed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3505 @ 0.00096088 = 3.3679 BTC [-]
keonne: i hate that i have to sell bitcoin today :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.053845 = 0.2692 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;later tell mikaeldice i resorted to running startx -- -dpi 200 with kde, it works quite nicely.
fluffypony: when it's low and you have to sell to cover expenses
ozbot: coinjedi / betsofbitco.in SCAMMERS: Declares "Push" on obvious win for BFL bet | Page 18 | Bitcoint
keonne: i hope china bans bitcoin again at the end of the month payday
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 414.1, vol: 22152.49644461 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 411.943, vol: 21222.59832 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 415.2, vol: 18674.85077075 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 425.0, vol: 137.01650657 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 405.72, vol: 6743.53190000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 8.00404786 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 428.352837, vol: 146.65163261 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
gribble: 1 BTC = 414.0 USD = 298.701 eur
fluffypony: I mean, it's great for quick collaboration
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: yeah but I tried running ownCloud
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00096189 = 39.7742 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29852 @ 0.00096362 = 28.766 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: the only problem with keeping the details all out in the open is that he can see it
dexX7: i assume what is posted there is the bare minimum
dub: i assume that IS alberto
dub: its not 'meta' at all
dexX7: his id was confirmed
fluffypony: dub: it would be - its a scammer scamming the scamhunters :-P
dub: just like you confirmed who labcoin was before investin
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.58000000 / 0.58934983 / 0.61000000 (209 shares, 123.17411349 BTC), 7D: 0.58000000 / 0.59094914 / 0.61889899 (326 shares, 192.64941846 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.60916007 / 0.69510000 (2921 shares, 1779.35655173 BTC)
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 411.55, Best ask: 411.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 411.8, 24 hour volume: 22673.97718376, 24 hour low: 400.11, 24 hour high: 453.96, 24 hour vwap: 423.36399149
dexX7: ^ i guess china banned bitcoin again
Mats_cd03: geez, the price keeps correcting each time i pick up more btc ;(
dexX7: before or after you bought? ;)
Mats_cd03: im being punished for not using -otc
dexX7: how would -otc help in this case?
Mats_cd03: it wouldn't, it would just be mildly cheaper
Apocalyptic: otc usual rates are quite above the market price
Apocalyptic: i'm an op there and frequent trader, so yeah pretty muc
truffles: we were talking about pool, and how he can get 1k per game easy etc
truffles: so obv he's some kinda pool shark/baller
Mats_cd03: ;;tell benkay having adventures in C? me too we're bros
gribble: Error: I haven't seen benkay, I'll let you do the telling.
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
Mats_cd03: Apocalyptic: oh... i was under the impression it was
truffles: truffles> why is coingenuity on the phone with banks?
truffles: <coingenuity> truffles: because banks are banning bitcoin
truffles: <coingenuity> try sending money to an exchange right now ;)
truffles: <truffles> if ure into btc why do u still hold onto bank accounts..
truffles: <coingenuity> truffles: i run one of the biggest bitcoin companies
truffles: <truffles> well i hope ure on there all day
truffles: * ChanServ sets mode: +o coingenuity
truffles: * You were kicked by coingenuity (you're)
truffles: <truffles> cry about it more plz
truffles: <@coingenuity> truffles: i'm trying to warn you to behave
truffles: <truffles> u mean to stroke ur ego?
truffles: <truffles> oh look at u, u have "power"
truffles: * You were kicked by coingenuity (come back when you can behave)
truffles: so then i in #bitcoin i was like "why are u such a bitch" i think im banned there too
Apocalyptic: maybe if you would write properly it wouldn't have escalated that far
Apocalyptic: cause as far as I can see that's what the first kick was for
Duffer1: truffles<coingenuity> truffles: i run one of the biggest bitcoin companies >> wtf is coingenuity?
truffles: i think he's on some kinda power trip ya know
truffles: "Coinabul has been ripping people off for a while." shit no wonder he can drop 1k a game
Apocalyptic: kako, you have some history with coingenuity ?
truffles: not surprised he's not a reputable guy
ozbot: SCAM - Coinabul owe me 81btc
Diablo-D3: I dunno, after all the years Ive been in the Bitcoin community, I just can't turn my back on everyone
truffles: thought u cashed out and now rolling in money piles
ozbot: MPEx.RFC.1 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: <truffles> if spelling gets u kicks heh << dude i thought you were the english expert.
truffles: pretty sure id best u in something written in english for sure
truffles: prob not if one is english prof
ozbot: Why I used to trust Patrick Harnett
mircea_popescu: the failed business of having lied through your teeth accidentally for great justice.
dexX7: last edit nov 17 2012 though
taub: MisterE> taub: it's going to be like this until the 15th passes
dexX7: china finally bans btc
mircea_popescu: mod6 dignork only noobs want windows ok cancel boxes! i want my client to damn well do what i tell it to.
pigeons: if you dont want pirate risk, i can tell you its not with pirate and pay you less
mircea_popescu: pigeons in a meta-sense, everyone that fucked up so far has been fucked by the same thing : failure to take btc seriously enough. be it the derps that still don't have any, harping about how it's just a fad and quoting tired beanie babies examples,
mircea_popescu: or on the other extreme patrick harnetts and other herps figuring "oh, it's jsut a small little thing, i'm much bigger than it so should be ok"
mircea_popescu: the whole spectrum seems to reduce to "didn't take it seriously enough"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2584 @ 0.00014939 = 0.386 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22355 @ 0.00096159 = 21.4963 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jborkl: We know how many btc there will be next year << he has it, btc supply is extremely well know. the function that stabilises the dishing out of btc over time has been EXTREMELY efficient so far, in spite of massive hashpower changes. i would say btc supply side is the best known of any material in history. including gold, which used to hold that distinction (which was a key to its monetization)
mircea_popescu: bounce i myself am happy with the "clueless woman, learned to use gpg last week, does not quite grok what keys are or how they work"
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how come they still give diplomas to lawyers and journalists that aren't fluent with gpg since their sophomore year, but hey.
bounce: because formalities and actual achievements are quite disconnected
mircea_popescu: mike_c: for instance, mp has a bunch of coins. they are not supply because they are not for sale. << they are supply even if they are not for sale. review Wickard v. Filburn :D
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: wrt not taking it seriously - not sure about other countries, but we have a new (2009) act here that says that a director will be liable for losses suffered by the company as a result of the director having taken or failed to act against certain unauthorised or unlawful actions and situations
mircea_popescu: cazalla the life of the p t barnum promoter of roadside attractions is a precarious one.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony pretty sure that was the case before 2009, both in common and civil law jurisdictions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00096168 = 43.8526 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mikaeldice: Though I kind of dislike the more recent releases of ubuntu << word.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00096159 = 4.5195 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu is in high spirits today
mircea_popescu: keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job << first job for most people here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.58 = 9.28 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0056675 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: MisterE guy is definitely lying. had he made that reddit post BEFORE having tried to steal the data rather than as a coverup afterthought, all'd hgave been well.
truffles: some ppl r like zombies in the morning
mircea_popescu: yes, but those aren't the people that never woke up with a timer in their life.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.60950995 = 13.4092 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.61903286 = 24.7613 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62 = 6.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.610004 = 6.1 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60002145 = 1.8001 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60000001 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7861 @ 0.00096168 = 7.5598 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: from trilema: MPEx webservers will have to keep a copy of the database. This is practically unavoidable (I think) because of two things : you.d like to be able to issue account statements for customers when they want, rather than when you get around to itviii and you.d like to pipe trade data into other services (like twitter, assbot on #bitcoin-assets etc).
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2500 @ 0.00009082 = 0.2271 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05565641 = 0.2783 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05567526 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: truffles, speeling = improtant
nubbins`: ;;later tell mike_c cats? now I'M signing up for multiple accounts :D
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: inexplainably is, inexplicably, not a word
nubbins`: i think the word you're looking for is cromulent
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: +1 for lost-key safeguard process, that's clever
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Mats_cd03: does gpg timestamping continue to be an issue?
Apocalyptic: "i don't have any idea about wtf i'm doing"
pankkake: GPG puts timestamps in signatures?
nubbins`: "The investment is more for people who want to safeguard BTC at the current prices"
nubbins`: so it's just like cashing out, but instead of cashing out into your local currency, you cash out into indian government bonds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00096168 = 10.6746 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: > Because of inherited weakness from pgp’s own timestamping, there is currently no reliable way to resolve time disputes : the client can very well present his own version (as included in the signed material), MPEx will present its own version (as reflected by when it has seen the order) and no further progress can be made (for which reason MPEx’
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00096168 = 6.4433 BTC [+]
nubbins`: wait a minute, i know why i'm so bleary
Mats_cd03: only pakistani govt bonds are more safe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05566999 = 0.1113 BTC [-]
pankkake: and don't confuse them with pankkistani bonds
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danielpbarron: "please learn to read. this coin is about raising awareness for rap music and rap victims. it's not about promoting rap. why would anyone do this? you're a sick person."
danielpbarron: "yes. a launch. we have a coin, a website, a twitter, facebook, g+ profile, a windows wallet, no real concept and of course no innovation. everything you need for a great coin. this coin has muy potentialones."
fluffypony: "Rap(e)Coin: the rap coin that's not about rape because rape is bad and rap isn't"
kakobrekla: is this one of the Rap-e-ghosts thingy
nubbins`: better get ultimate scammer rg on the line to find out
gribble: You rated user rg on Wed Feb 26 10:45:04 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: tried to stiff me on payment for some design work.
danielpbarron: what's the deal with trezor? I'm gonna assume it's not as good as cardano will be?
kakobrekla: its good to asume its not even close to being the same thing
fluffypony: if you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME
danielpbarron: i guess what I mean is, ... ultimately this is about securing BTC right? is trezor any good at that?
kakobrekla: cardano does not hold bitcoin private keys
danielpbarron: from what I understand, a lot of the cardano research is getting the right hardware RNG; is trezor up to the same standard?
kakobrekla: you supply the 12 or whatever words to make the seed from which all the future bitcoin key pairs are generated
danielpbarron: if I can type in the 12 words somehow, that's pretty cool
danielpbarron: otherwise, I don't think I can trust that little thing to make a secure enough seed
danielpbarron: yeah it makes me suspicious when everyone is hyping it up and it's still on pre-order; sounds a lot like BFL
danielpbarron: "give us BTC today and maybe we'll ship you a product next year"
pLambert: has BitVPS buyout been discussed here yet? A big FU to all the shareholders
pLambert: they are buying back shares based on the past couple dividends
Mats_cd03: 3btc is just a ridiculous cost imo
kakobrekla: dunno havent been following that story
Mats_cd03: im not stingy, but its unnecessary
danielpbarron: 2 BTC is ridic for an aluminium upgrade, Mats_cd03
danielpbarron: Mats_cd03: I don't mind it costing a lot, but it's insulting to say that using aliminum costs 2 BTC more than using plastic
kakobrekla: >>I invested 700 dollars, and you think I can be content with your forced 20 dollars buy-back?
kakobrekla: I would have been less offended if you had just said "Fuck you, I'm keeping your money."
fluffypony: what have the dividends been like over the period? I take it not enough to cover the original investment?
danielpbarron: I am the issuer of the #5 ranked asset in counterparty :D
pLambert: They keep saying "we are investing in more hardware, so dividends are low this month", then for the buyback they ignore all the hardware they just bought
danielpbarron: ty, fluffypony; I've got the market cap up to a record breaking 0.52 XCP
pLambert: arij: want to comment on this?
pankkake: danielpbarron: is it something real?
pLambert: imagine if Warren Buffet wanted to buy shares of his company back based onthe dividends: $0.00 to you, shareholders
danielpbarron: pankkake: sorta, I backed my asset with a currency from a video game
pankkake: bitvps was profit shares though
danielpbarron: I'm doing it just for fun; trying out the protocol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.054988 = 0.3299 BTC [-]
benkay: last bitvps statement was december?
danielpbarron: what's the most influential group of bitcoiners? the devs, the miners, or whatever you call the individuals who own a lot of BTC
benkay: some in this channel would hold it to be this channel
benkay: miners are influential in that txns that adhere to 0.6 rules will probably always get relayed
benkay: devs, unles you're talking about conformal, don't really do much other than implement dirty code into bitcoin-qt
pankkake: transaction/network wise, both miners *and* public nodes. devs, nothing really, as it is with all open source software
danielpbarron: i've been tempted into thinking it was the devs and then the miners that had all the power
danielpbarron: but now I'm leaning to that other group, the group i'm not sure what to call
benkay: "powerful"'s a good start.
benkay: power comes in many forms.
benkay: sometimes it looks like btc, sometimes it looks like hashes...
danielpbarron: pankkake is right about devs, it's open source stuff
danielpbarron: so then why not the miners? and keep in mind I mean the pool operators, not the guy in his basement
pankkake: pool operators are highly dependent on their users, as it is very easy to migrate
benkay: everyone forced to more or less play the same way
pankkake: but, at least for now, miners don't really care about pool transaction policies
danielpbarron: they sorta do, or at least, they do when they are also a dev
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.00013209 = 0.9907 BTC [-] {14}
benkay: care to share, danielpbarron ?
benkay: oh, i thought you had an example of someone who cares about txn rules
benkay: and like maybe why and some other context
danielpbarron: at the risk of starting the whole argument over again, the context is counterparty / mastercoin and the OP_RETURN controversy
benkay: what is this controversy?
danielpbarron: counterparty stores its data in the Blockchain and the devs don't like this
benkay: what's the controversy over op_return?
pankkake: storage is a cost, and no one's rewarded for storing
danielpbarron: OP_RETURN is a place to store extra data in a transaction
pankkake: that's why transactions should be as small as possible
pankkake: I wonder if I can easily make my public nodes stop relaying OP_RETURN :)
danielpbarron: full nodes should get most of the transaction fees, but they get nothing
danielpbarron: anyway my point is, there is controversy over transaction rules, so miners have so influence in that regard
benkay: whoa you can store data in the blockchain without paying?
benkay: do elaborate i'd be much obliged
pankkake: miners get paid, not "storers"
danielpbarron: benkay: you pay, but the payment doesn't go to those actually doing the heavy lifting
benkay: blockchain's a nightmare anyways
benkay: miners get paid right?
benkay: that's all i care about.
pankkake: for me, bitcoin is terabytes of bandwith per month - I don't mind as it's almost free, but don't make the madness worse
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danielpbarron: yeah but they don't need the payment; they don't mine for profit anyway
benkay: miners don't mine for profit?
jurov: pankkake meant nonminer nodes
benkay: the state sponsored ones definitely
jurov: i don't mind a terabyte per month,too but 10TB or more... um
danielpbarron: some individuals profit i guess, if they get really cheap electricity and make their own boards
benkay: this is one of those things about bitcoin. staging on the blockchain is just going to get more and more painfully expensive.
pankkake: yeah I think I'm capped at 6TB
benkay: either you'll pay for the privilege or you won't.
danielpbarron: benkay: what do you mean "staying on the blockchain?"
Apocalyptic: the maximum potential blockchain growth rate is well known
benkay: we're talking about the mem pool, though, right?
danielpbarron: hard drive space is only an issue to those trying to take a principled stand on not storing content to which they personally object
benkay: txns in flight is the topic, though, correct?
Apocalyptic: <benkay> we're talking about the mem pool, though, right? // you can choose not to query peers for tx data
danielpbarron: benkay: because OP_RETURN is too small to store counterparty data, they use multi-sig addresses instead, and that uses up memory
benkay: memory where for whom in what part of the process
danielpbarron: full nodes have to keep those addresses in memory as outputs that might get spent in future transactions
benkay: when do they need that? when validating a new block?
danielpbarron: full nodes are not miners and miners are not full nodes
Apocalyptic: but full nodes don't need mempool data for validating blocks
benkay: so take a counterparty transaction
danielpbarron: i might be explaining some technical details incorrectly; i'm not a dev
benkay: has it been confirmed yet?
benkay: let's tell a little story and try to work through this
benkay: start with a counterparty txn. is this thing in flight or has it confirmed?
dexX7: 1. metacoins and the utxo set:
http://i.imgur.com/c9mpd8h.png, 2. what is way more "avoidable" than multisigs is the creation of multiple unspent outputs "to have free outputs ready" (@ xcp) x_x
danielpbarron: i'm on the side of counterparty if I had to choose, i think the decentralized exchange is a great idea
benkay: he's underwriting, thestringpuller
thestringpuller: exchanges will always be centralized things, there can be multiple exchanges
benkay: thestringpuller: ping ping ping ping ping
danielpbarron: i think there is room for both centralized and decentralized
thestringpuller: but each excahnge is centralized as you will always trust the issuer
dexX7: benkay: think of "let's create new transaction types and coins, encode the transaction information and store it on the blockchain as pubkeys in multisig transaction outputs"
thestringpuller: i feel a decentralized exchange would be littered with scams
danielpbarron: you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater?
benkay: hang on this topic is stupid and boring and you're all stupid and boring for engaging in it
benkay: i want to know more about these memory requirements imposed by mastercoin
thestringpuller: like the ratio of scam to actual businesses was too damn high
danielpbarron: benkay: why mastercoin? counterparty is live and working
benkay: counterparty whatever pedant
benkay: i lose track of all the colored coin implementations
danielpbarron: well, I'm not 100% behind the DEX; I understand the arguments against it, and it's not the end of my world if the devs figure out a way to stop it
kanzure: to be even more pedantic, counterparty isn't a colored coin implementation
benkay: so you can't possibly be telling me that a full node needs to hold the whole bc in memory to do its job
benkay: <-- does not run nodes
dexX7: the complaint was the amount of unspent outputs/utxo bloat created by those transactions - the argument fails because those unspent outputs are actually spendable and spent frequently
kanzure: the counterparty reference implementation requires a full bitcoin node with -txindex enabled
kanzure: so often this means reindexing the blockchain for nodes that haven't been using -txindex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11111 @ 0.00096168 = 10.6852 BTC [+]
kanzure: uh i wonder if -txindex is the right parameter. hrm. it's the one about indexing.
kanzure: anywho then the counterparty server sends getrawtransaction messages over rpc to the bitcoin node for every transaction since the burn period began
dexX7: you don't need to hold everything in memory, but there is a database with all unspent outputs. more outputs = delayed lookup
fluffypony: my wife is talking about going to the US at some stage
fluffypony: "we must go to all 50 states. Except Alaska. Alaska isn't going to be nice."
danielpbarron: well i've seen plenty of individuals storing data in other ways, like using the last 4 or 5 decimal places of a balance to encode data
danielpbarron: the US kinda sucks; if you aren't here already, don't come
danielpbarron: not worth the risk of possibly not being allowed to leave
danielpbarron: get poisoned with crappy food, drugged water, groped by the "authorities," wealth confiscated because you probably sold drugs to get it
danielpbarron: honest individuals don't need money; Big Brother feeds them
fluffypony: danielpbarron: she meant for holiday, we would never move there
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.55, Best ask: 399.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 27083.22463861, 24 hour low: 398.55, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 417.472358929
truffles: he'll have a great time let him go
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.58002 = 8.7003 BTC [-] {4}
fluffypony: when I said that on Reddit ages ago I got attacked by apologists
danielpbarron: there are ways to get non-crappy food but you have to know what you're doing
danielpbarron: and you probably have to avoid some taxes to afford it
fluffypony: danielpbarron: yeah that's what I figured
fluffypony: oh look, welcome to the magical 400.00
danielpbarron: i guess those peeps who were bugging me to buy the other day are happy now
fluffypony: benkay: I thought it was a ponzi scheme?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00096241 = 26.37 BTC [+] {2}
kanzure: i'm making a collection of overly-enthusiastic claims about bitcoin
kanzure: i'm open to suggestions for what content to include
kanzure: i want the stuff that will still found funny even if bitcoin does eat up the world
danielpbarron: "If I was Chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, the most powerful central bank in the world, I would be buying bitcoin like mad."
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kanzure: personally i think all bitcointalk.org posts should start with "Yo,"
danielpbarron: haha i've probably been on that train, looks like MTA
nubbins`: from law-school dropout to canadian senator to strip club manager
kanzure: what's wrong with running a strip club?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00096159 = 17.0201 BTC [-]
kanzure: oh i see, i should have asked what's wrong with the senate =)
nubbins`: seriously. the senate. highest judicial body in the country. guy gets fired for being a shitbag, and the best job he can scrounge together after that is putting together the weekly schedule at the fuckin Bare Fax
nubbins`: almost makes you think he shouldn't have been appointed to the senate in the first place
danielpbarron: "The banks would be saved because people would be borrowing as much money as possible in order to buy bitcoin." <-- ...
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.0, Best ask: 390.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 390.0, 24 hour volume: 30204.17198800, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 413.134967346
kanzure: danielpbarron: this is the sort of hyper-fanatacism that i am seeking
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 385.52, Best ask: 389.82, Bid-ask spread: 4.30000, Last trade: 385.51, 24 hour volume: 30635.18837803, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 412.975167632
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 101 @ 0.05454506 = 5.5091 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 4496710.4412 USD and would take the last price up to 520.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 449.6710 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 232.9129 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 24098.515 bitcoins, for a total of 17899251.1321 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0374 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.14857344 BTC to 7`663 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 15000 bitcoins right now would take 7503392.7506 USD and would take the last price up to 655.6800 USD, resulting in an average price of 500.2262 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 18.2787 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 20000 bitcoins right now would take 11195529.8825 USD and would take the last price up to 849.9800 USD, resulting in an average price of 559.7765 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 25.9547 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 22500 bitcoins right now would take 13607783.7198 USD and would take the last price up to 1075.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 604.7904 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 45.7563 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 23500 bitcoins right now would take 14785226.8837 USD and would take the last price up to 1299.9800 USD, resulting in an average price of 629.1586 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 59.7878 seconds
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00096323 = 12.233 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: colbert and stewart's shows are utterly inane
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05372855 = 0.3761 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1817 @ 0.00007206 = 0.1309 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0520112 = 0.156 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0520112 = 0.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0520112 = 0.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00006400 / 9.041E-5 / 0.00013699 (62600 shares, 5.65942599 BTC), 7D: 0.00000001 / 0.00014715 / 0.00045000 (549731 shares, 80.89403744 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 0.0012483 / 0.00439999 (873212 shares, 1090.03105206 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (100 shares, 0.75000000 BTC), 7D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (2267 shares, 17.00250000 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00700671 / 0.00750000 (27302 shares, 191.29708437 BTC)
benkay: how long does this one go for?
pLambert: until the end of the month, I think
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.052011 = 0.156 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;cal 17.00250000/2267
gribble: Error: "cal" is not a valid command.
benkay: ;;calc 17.00250000/2267
keonne: keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job << first job for most people here. i see that, at least im honest, maybe one day i will be able to afford the trading platform fee and have my mind warped enough to warrant a spot in the full time club
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40321 @ 0.00095724 = 38.5969 BTC [-] {4}
keonne: er meant to tab mircea
keonne: honestly my job doesnt feel like a job, so i guess im lucky there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1136 @ 0.00014711 = 0.1671 BTC [+]
keonne: since in my mind hes lounging in a pool flush with btc and pussy in the virgin islands
keonne: dont ruin the image, i want to be you
truffles: cept he lives in frozen canada :D
keonne: but aye on the pools of btc and pussy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 864 @ 0.00014984 = 0.1295 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00078399 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2}
truffles: pussy is so overrated anus is where its at
dignork: mircea_popescu, it's just a sensible default, which can be changed via weechat.look.paste_max_lines, same idea is implemented in some unixes by aliasing 'rm' to 'rm -i', just a default
nubbins`: it's too cold for backyard pools here
keonne: does anyone use the blockchain android wallet
benkay: phones are for wage slaves
fluffypony: nubbins`: so you're a Windows Phone user, then?
ozbot: 'Android is for poor people'
ozbot: Android Is Popular Because It's Cheap, Not Because It's Good
keonne: gizmodo is popular because it's cheap, not because it's good
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fluffypony: gizmodo is popular? I stopped reading there a long time ago
truffles: so Iphones are popular cuz theyre shiny?
keonne: how do you have all these on hand nubbins`
nubbins`: i just googled "android is for poor people"
keonne: this is why you get all the pussy and btc
keonne: and im a simple wage slave
nubbins`: smartphones are for fucking losers in general
keonne: asciilifeform: what was the name of that soviet cartoon you mentioned earlier
nubbins`: REAL MEN CHECK THEIR TELEPHONES SEVERAL TIMES AN HOUR
truffles: im surprised cuz i read they dont withstand cold temps
fluffypony: nubbins`: want a wooden case for it? we have a bunch as gifts, but most of our customers are Android users, and the guy that makes them doesn't make Android cases
nubbins`: shrug. i keep my phone in my pocket, not my mailbox
nubbins`: fluffypony, i don't use cases, but tyvm
keonne: cases are for poor people according to nubbins`
nubbins`: now you're putting words in my mouth
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keonne: but i also did make up a life story for you
nubbins`: if you drop your $500 phone so often that you need to put it in a case, maybe you shouldn't have one
jurov: orly? mahogany smartphone box?
nubbins`: consider the statement suitably modified
nubbins`: keonne: but was it subsidized?
keonne: no, subsidized phones are for poor people
keonne: and for people who will probably be perpetually poor
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keonne: because it's a really bad deal
nubbins`: no doubt you've got some math to back that up
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truffles: ppl actually back things up with scientific data itc? pfff
nubbins`: might as well put a coca-cola logo on there
nubbins`: truffles: who said anything about scientific? napkin scribbles would do
nubbins`: suppose you save $500 by getting a subsidy. at the end of your two-year contract, you own your phone
keonne: well lets see, $500 phone you get for $250 because you sign a 2 year contract paying ~60-80 a month.
nubbins`: or you spend the extra $500, and two years later, you own your phone
keonne: the difference is poor people shouldnt eb buying 500 dollar phones
nubbins`: well, that certainly answers a different question
truffles: im gonna aim for that 200 next phone!
keonne: sorry i keep going in and out of cell signal
nubbins`: shoulda bought an iphone i guess
keonne: or not be on a train going into tunnels
nubbins`: explain to me how buying the phone outright is a better deal in the long run
keonne: depends on the price of the phone
jurov: nubbins`: depends on if you're poor :DDDDD
nubbins`: $700 straight-up or $200 on a two-year contract
keonne: thats insane..... first of all
keonne: how much is the contract per month?
daybyter: pomp w88 Euro 105,- plus shipping.
TomServo: nubbins`: I think it depends on how much you value being able to switch carriers on a whim.
keonne: i mean i havent had a contract in 3 years
nubbins`: keonne: well, that depends heavily on how good you are at bargaining
keonne: and i have unlimited 4g data in both the US and Europe
TomServo: nubbins`: I'm just saying, that is what makes it a "better deal" to some people.
nubbins`: which (sorry to ruin the surprise) was the crux of my argument
keonne: for £15 pay as you go a month
nubbins`: canada is relatively expensive for cell service
keonne: its all highly situational
keonne: i remmeber not even being able to get a sim card in canada
nubbins`: all different now, LTE nationwide
keonne: in UK i go to the corner shop
keonne: and i can buyt as many sim cards as I want for£1 each
nubbins`: TomServo: fair enough, but worth an extra $500?
daybyter: any android coders here, who also do java?
nubbins`: ostensibly you're changing providers to get a better rate
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nubbins`: to make it worth $500, you'd need to save ~$21/mo by switching providers
nubbins`: it could be argued that you just picked the wrong provider to start with
keonne: daybyter: not being snarky but dont all android devs have to know java? i thought that was part of the deal.
fluffypony: keonne: I was about to say the same thing
daybyter: I mean android and desktop-java.
daybyter: I have a lib that should run on desktop and android.
daybyter: no I wonder how to compile it best.
daybyter: add android.jar to the required libs?
bounce: write it for z-machine
daybyter: I used antenna back in the days of j2me projects.
nubbins`: i googled everything back in the days of writing code ;D
daybyter: google had no good solution available?
daybyter: maybe I'm just the first one who had this idea? :-)
nubbins`: if we were fencing, i'd say touche
nubbins`: i want to enter your bloody tunnel
nubbins`: i should try this on my wife when she gets home
keonne: let us know how that goes
keonne: as always its been a pleasure
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nubbins`: oddly, no suicide hotline phone number on reddit
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keonne: train is a bit delayed
daybyter: keonne: you're an android coder?
keonne: The only coding I do is a very hobbyist hack job at python
keonne: im a designer in general, focusing on UI, and I do a lot of android apps
nubbins`: it'll be 14 months on sunday since i gave up programming
daybyter: hmmh...that sounds interesting!
daybyter: I want to create an android app and look for help with the UI.
keonne: current i am redoing the blockchain android wallet, which is why i as asking earlier if anyone used it
keonne: and if they wanted to bitch at me their least favourite things
nubbins`: fluffypony, never been happier
mike_c: eulorum is dead. long live eulorum.
mike_c: new server, new install
mike_c: nubbins, i copied over your password hash so you should be able to login
daybyter: and currently port some stuff to android.
nubbins`: i was briefly excited when i saw the "recent changes" page until i took a closer look :D
daybyter: looking for someone to make a pretty app.
benkay`: daybyter: what's your budget?
daybyter: maybe share the profit, if the app could be sold.
keonne: daybyter: sorry man, i really dont have the time
keonne: plus you would hate working with me
daybyter: maybe manual trading, but I wanted to start as simple as possible.
benkay`: and you don't have the budget to pay for its production?
daybyter: I already got most of the stuff running on desktop.
keonne: i'm incredibly anal when it comes to design, and more engineers go crazy working with me
mircea_popescu: dignork i know i know, jus' being an hardass spuriously.
daybyter: but I want to use a strategy that is a lot more simple.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves dvsdude benkay` what the shit, letterman was supposed to be a comic neh ? colbert is now funny ?
benkay`: colbert's never been funny.
daybyter: benkay`: mail me, if you are interested.
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keonne: ok now im leaving for real
nubbins`: educating -otc on the perils of referring to cash-in-mail as CIM
benkay`: daybyter: not really interested.
mike_c: it was basically under assault from spam bots
mike_c: i didn't realize what a honeypot mediawiki is.
nubbins`: lots of pages about buying discount shoes
mike_c: but the new cat photos captcha should prevent that.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu basically just drawing snickers from dirtbags like me
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: cim
nubbins`: oddly, nobody looking for just COF
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: C.O.F.
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mircea_popescu: they've painted themselves in a corner, basically. if all you wanna do is buy 20 bucks wortha btc to "have some", no way in fuck do you go through all the caudine forkland of "send us a pic with you holding a seal". odds are you don't even have a phone.
benkay`: there is a bit of a discount for magical bitcoins
mircea_popescu: if you want 20k worth of btc, no fucking way you'll take that level of service. just find an escort that does COF CIM and BTC
fluffypony: I have a lot of people I know that prefer to buy from me instead of buying on the local exchange
mircea_popescu: the various fiat jurisdictions had ~5 years to get their shit together and suck our cock enough to acquire this revenue stream.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we have a community here of < 500 people actively interested in Bitcoin, not just peripherally
fluffypony: unfortunately the majority of them are kinda-nerdy-oh-look-here-I-can-get-rich
dignork: mircea_popescu, you said before that bitcoin-otc is irrelevant
bounce: otc is fun and fluffy and lovable and full of scammers
dignork: mircea_popescu, sure, but so far bitcoin-otc based on WOT is the closest to OTC that I've seen so far
mircea_popescu: bitcoin-otc was last i checked run mostly by dorks, and so consequently populated mostly by dorks
mircea_popescu: dignork i dunno, imo all of irc and a lot more is otc in this sense.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony sure, except we've seen it three times already : the people who are butthurt during upswings because they were left out still don't buy during downswings because now it's more like "Haha! it's dead!"
fluffypony: every time it's tanked I've bought on the downswing
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June
fluffypony: what is annoying is when the media talks about Bitcoin's "surprising resiliance despite being declared dead"
fluffypony: just because someone says its dead doesn't automagically make it so
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June
benkay: they imagine their imagination matters, fluffypony .
benkay: mr constantly dropping connections
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benkay: still going to burning man with the shreminal?
benkay: 2 things i'm bummed about missing this year
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well yeah, it's sort-of like putin's surprising resilience in spite of being declared crazy.
mjr_: i was supposed to go hang out with him while i was in nyc
mircea_popescu: teh media has serious issues coming to some sort of representation of its own irrelevance.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: or Robert Mugabe's surprising resilience despite him probably being dead
mjr_: am I safe in assuming that everyone here thinks trying to change the bitcoin symbol is stupid and a waste of time?
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mjr_: when was that? I'm not sure if my laptop was even open...
benkay: i advocate we abandon the btc symbol all together and just use a capital b
mjr_: basically i think i slam dunked the argument against symbol change
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mjr_: phones can currently type the bitcoin symbol...i don't even know how you would convince apple or motorola to add a keyboard
mjr_: or what keyboard it should be under
benkay: bitcoin advocacy, mjr_ ?
mjr_: but the amount of changes that using the proposed symbol would cost dwarf any benefit
fluffypony: benkay: what about a backwards Euro symbol, then it looks kinda like a monkey butt
mjr_: i have to try and get people to shut the fuck up and open their eyes and see how the world works
benkay: no man it's a waste of time
benkay: fuck retards get paper
bounce: and let people think it's the new USD?
mircea_popescu: and afair they stole it off the mexicans on the same grounds.
mjr_: well...there are 30 other countries using $
mjr_: many more using "dollar"
mircea_popescu: mjr_ exactly. argentina prices everything in "dollars", there's 3 of them
mjr_: which was my point...zeroblock told me on twitter "amateur hour is over"...i was like so canada, australia, mexico, etc are still in amateur hour...
mjr_: in the real world, symbols are mapped onto many currencies
mircea_popescu: who is zeroblock and what makes him think he can talk about amateur hour lol
mjr_: just part of the group of people who think that they understand the standards committees and how the real world works
mjr_: similar to the whole "XBT" thing
mjr_: which is the same issue...you don't pick a name and then ISO standardizes
mjr_: ISO will tell you what the official name is, and then you adopt it
mircea_popescu: then the fat chicks can go and pretend like they're acting there after school
mjr_: its good to be chatting, and btw, it is very fun seeing people talk about you when you are not htere
mjr_: to see yourself in the mirror
mircea_popescu: well they were talking about how much you piss them off
mjr_: and I think I will start blogging more
mjr_: maybe i didn't read that far down
mjr_: why not just ignore me?
mjr_: as in the IRC command, not attention wise
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bounce: "why not just ignore all the spam in your inbox?" "why not just ignore that DDoS coming in?" -- such sensible questions.
benkay: it has footnotes and stuff that won't survive so well
bounce: shh. lemme admire the sensibility a bit more.
ozbot: Bitcoin Financial Regulation: Securities, Derivatives, Prediction Markets, & Gambling by Jerry Brit
bounce: SSRN, wasn't that a class of antidepressants?
akstunt600: Maybe bitcoin really needs to get cracked down on for it to thrive the way we want
akstunt600: the gen y kids the ones that need the most arent even using it yet really
danielpbarron: bitcoin doesn't get "cracked down on;" it does the cracking
bounce: "wordy stuff that makes you need antidepressants", right ho.
benkay: Accordingly, to the extent a contract delivers bitcoins at a date after the sale
benkay: (and not their cash equivalent), and is being used by a party to manage price
benkay: risk, it would likely be considered a forward and be excluded from the
benkay: i'd like to meet the person who's willing to test that 'likely' in the states, or finance the establishment of caselaw.
benkay: "bitcoinica valued expediency and experimentation over postponement and risk-aversion"
benkay: gotta read more of this later
mircea_popescu: oh really ? and i thought it simply valued pretense and pretending over competence or obeying your betters.
mircea_popescu: poor phantomcircuit still imagines his brain works, i wager.
goonsamchi: best to have diverse opinions, instead of a nation of sheep all taking the scientists' word for it, never considering the possibility that someone could be wrong
chetty: most people are wrong,most of the time
mircea_popescu: goonsamchi it's not a good idea to have "opinions" on matters you have not the authority to have opinions on.
mircea_popescu: last thing we need is every fuckwit social sciences major having opinions about how silicon valley start-ups should be run and so forth
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fluffypony: goonsamchi: so you'd prefer they take their medical advice from a TV personality?
goonsamchi: no, i think people should be allowed to control their own lives
goonsamchi: i believe in individual liberty and the right for people to be wrong
mircea_popescu: goonsamchi there's a difference between controlling your own life and having opinions tho.
mircea_popescu: nobody is disputing the woman's right to be as fucking wrong as she possibly can get away with.
truff1es: prob diff in murrca than rest of world
mircea_popescu: but i am outright denying her the right to air dumbassery under the guise that "she's entitled to an opinion"
goonsamchi: not allowing people to be incorrect just leads to a monoculture of sheep who all think the same. even if they're right, there's still a lack of diversity
truff1es: thats what this room would become haha
mircea_popescu: seems to me allowing fuckwits to have "opinions" has turned the us of a into a monoculture of sheep who all think the same.
mircea_popescu: had these same fuckwits been beaten to shit for daring to open their mouths when their teachers were speaking,
mircea_popescu: we'd perhaps have had something like 58 goethes coming out of there, this year alone.
fluffypony: goonsamchi: where do you draw the line? if a wildly popular personality says that everyone should kill themselves, and then a bunch of people do, should the person who expressed their "opinion" be entitled to it?
truff1es: beat some sense into them, thats it!
mircea_popescu: whoa this is going to be a good argument, i disagree with everyone.
goonsamchi: you should be allowed to do anything you want unless it directly infringes on the rights of others.
mircea_popescu: no, but the discussion is metaphisics, and being listened to qualifies him to speak./
mircea_popescu: goonsamchi so your eating infringes on the rights of others, stop eating.
chetty: well there is a difference between having an opinon, and expressing it
mircea_popescu: of course it does. fucking world is constructed so your existence is built out of the death of your siblings.
fluffypony: goonsamchi: there are starving people in Africa that would disagree
mircea_popescu: this is nothing less than the point of existence : for you to drive lesser versions out of existence, or for them to drive oyu.
goonsamchi: lol. my not eating would not affect the people in africa
benkay: mircea_popescu: the teachers'd need to be worth attending to.
mircea_popescu: benkay im sure all of goethe's teachers were all supercool and worthy dudes.
chetty: you would listen to a 'teacher' that wasn't worth it?
mircea_popescu: idiots on the forum also think they know better. the reason they think so is because they don't know what they don't know
mircea_popescu: and on the basis of what they know, aka 0, they're right.
chetty: the best ones are the scariest!
fluffypony: but you can't even quantify "stuff you don't know"
truff1es: goonsamchi u make good points, id like to read more ur views on this
chetty: if it hurts, you are learning something
truff1es: just wait til the sillyness washes away
thestringpuller: chetty if you start doing things right and realize you were once wrong you are also learning things :)
chetty: thestringpuller, and that hurts too
thestringpuller: most people seem to do things wrong, get told so, ignor as MP points out, then they run head first into concrete and complain about how they have brain damage
fluffypony: although making mistakes *and learning from them* should be encouraged, no?
thestringpuller: no experimenting wiht production services, fucking get managers and shit. perhaps it's about time for another tally of the BTC losses due to scams and icompetence
chetty: fluffypony, that is I think, the definition of learning
mircea_popescu: fluffypony making mistakes should be encouraged in a narrow field : that where we don't know what the mistakes are. in the fields where we already know, they should not be.
chetty: bitcoins don't get lost (mostly) just transfered
mircea_popescu: such as, putting your hand in the flame may in principle do all sorts of cool things, like charge your phone battery
fluffypony: yeah I use the "stove is hot" analogy often
fluffypony: but you end up with a burnt hand afterwards
truff1es: if u were tough enough it wouldnt matter!
mircea_popescu: <truff1es> just wait til the sillyness washes away << funny how on the spot this guy is. since forever the strategy of the mentally defective has been, just wait until the cool people get exhausted, and try to rebuild socialism then!
truff1es: says the person who wants to beat people to submission
fluffypony: I think testnet is an under-utilised feature
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robwhiz22: You kind of disappeared the other day. I'm hoping you had a chance to read what I'd written you earlier. If so could you tell me a decision please?
robwhiz22: If you need any more information, feel free to ask.
TomServo: robwhiz22: You're the "I can fix the Cardano" guy right?
TomServo: Sorry, I should've also put fix in quotes.
ozbot: Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bounce spots a developing tvtropes addiction
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: nekulturny
gribble: Time since last block: 24 minutes and 57 seconds
jurov: from my cursory research it looks it's much more insulting in russian
ozbot: Americas overtake Africa as region with most murders | World news | theguardian.com
Apocalyptic: ^ that's the meaning that comes to mind first to me
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: looks like it's per capita
fluffypony: they do it on a "murders per 100k people" basis
bounce: the student club had a rule that you couldn't actually lie. ie answers must be truthful. but you could refuse to answer on grounds of the question being too direct. add in some rules that made buying the entire bar population beers both very easy to do and hard to figure out for the barman... well, it's a student club, whaddaya expect?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, I was quite surprised, the ex-pats have beaten the "murder rate in South Africa is the highest in the world" speech into everyone's heads we're starting to believe it ourselves
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mircea_popescu: fluffypony but wait, you meant all of africa vs north, south and central america ?
bounce: compared to the conspiring, deceit, backstabbing, betrayal, "white" lieing, bald faced lieing, and all that, happening among the most cultured of any population, traditionally the aristocrats and like court dwellers, that's outright friendly and truthful.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'm talking specifically about South Africa - our murder rate is mentioned in the article, ~30 per 100k vs Honduras at ~90 per 100k
fluffypony: we're a small part of the population (relatively), and a lot of the murders are gang related
fluffypony: for eg. Cape Town now has a higher murder rate than Johannesburg
fluffypony: but something ridiculous like 80% of the murders occur in Lavender Hill
fluffypony: which is gang warfare territory in the Cape Flats
bounce: not true. any high concentration of power without proper management tends to bring lots of little kingdoms, warring each other. I'm told the pettiest squabbles can be found in academia.
fluffypony: bounce: are we still talking about murder rates?
bounce: well, what did you mean with "don't map"?
mircea_popescu: lots of little kingdoms don't necessarily war each other, and moreover the wars of little kingdoms are not at all like the wars of national-socialist statal machines,
mircea_popescu: the sort that opposed the french and the germans, or the germans and the russians, or the french and the russians
mircea_popescu: bounce i meant aristocrats and courtiers are two mostly distinct things.
mircea_popescu: in general one can't be both. whenever aristocrats were forced to be courtiers historically, they lost their aristocracy, and the state collapsed
bounce: both are at the top of the societal pile, if in slightly different senses.
mircea_popescu: the top of a cake and the top of an oil tank aren't similar on grounds of topness.
bounce: but the cake is a lie.
bounce: anyhow, I'll gladly concede this since my interest is in a different point.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I am not available for chatting much longer tonight.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, did you 1) find my proposal among your emails now? 2) do you have an answer? I submitted it with the request that you review and answer within three business days, which I thought was reasonable.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, the whole proposal - I can email again if you have trouble fining the previous emails. There 2 I think, of which you answered the second one inviting me here, and one follow-up one.
mircea_popescu: i do't think american expressions are allowed to contain words such as elusive
bounce: robwhiz22: the best way for you to stop running around in circles is stop running around in circles. drop the text in a pastebin and share. you have permission to do this already.
fluffypony: robwhiz22: I think you're on /ignore, he was talking to bounce
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romanian canonical equivalent is "tu crezi ca te cauta militia pe messenger". ie, you think the militsya is pursuing you through im.
mircea_popescu: (joke beingthat the militsya was an obsolete institution, and famously the people it employed could not write)
robwhiz22: fluffypony, I doubt I am on ignore. He began to answer me but had to go. The other day, I had to leave earlier.
bounce: .oO( certainly argumentative )
bounce: re reinventing the wheel, wasn't there a medico recently that got a paper published essentially reinventing calculus (and naming it after himself, naturally)?
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I've just clicked 'forward all' and reforwarded you my proposal and follow-up email. Please check the mail and I would very much appreciate a response. I feel I've given adequate time for your consideration.
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ozbot: Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science
mircea_popescu: also, google does not return the wayback machine for a "web history" query.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, they return all the wikipedia pages possible.
mircea_popescu: must be cool to run a search engine that consists of promoting your friends.
bounce: could (also) be self-selecting, of course. archive.org might wlel be.
bounce: 9th paragraph, unkindly said, "applying the new jersey approach to the universe"
mircea_popescu: "My teacher, more patient than I would be with adolescent arrogance, gently informed me that it was a standard technique, in any book on linear algebra, called "reduction to Jordan normal form", after the man who discovered it in the 1800s. "
mircea_popescu: i want this entered into the record of proof for the importance of beating schoolchildren.
mircea_popescu: kids that have no experience with beatings have no conceivable incentive to abandon the notion they invented jordan normal form.
jurov: bah, even these who do
fluffypony: robwhiz22: why don't you just put the docs online for all to see/download? Or PasteBin it? You've been given permission to do so, after all.
bounce: nothing said the writer got beaten nor he didn't abandon the notion he wasn't the first when told
bounce: pretty cool he found it out himself, even if it turned out later he wasn't the first.
robwhiz22: fluffypony, I wouldn't need permission.
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robwhiz22: fluffypony, more importantly, it's not like I did the entire project on spec (Google 'on spec' or 'spec work').
mircea_popescu: "Martin-Löf showed, again roughly speaking, that complex objects will pass many high-reliability tests for randomness, and conversely objects which pass randomness tests must have high algorithmic complexity."
bounce: go on, polish xkcd's "4" some more, why don't you? :)
mircea_popescu: the guy does declare he's trained as a phys, so i guess rank cluelessness about math may be excused
robwhiz22: I wrote "mircea_popescu, for what you're discussing now you should look at kolmogorov complexity."
BingoBoingo: robwhiz22: If you thing your solicitation reveals flaws, public disclosure is the responsible thing to do
robwhiz22: but I didn't submit as I didn't want to become your consultant on here for free. :)
robwhiz22: And more to the point I don't really know the application. It's, quote-unquote "out of scope"
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BingoBoingo: robwhiz22: If you dunno they application how can you be competent to critique it?
robwhiz22: BingoBoingo, I didn't critique it. I don't know anything about any RNG project. I was just answering mircea_popescu's question, in which he quoted "and conversely objects which pass randomness tests must have high algorithmic complexity" and hten said "not familiar with the 'complex objects' in question.".
bounce: 966 lines. looks like a bit of a waste.
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> no one can say i wasn't patient. << and that's an understatement
jurov: tl;dr:<ninjashogun> cardano can suddenly change into usb keyboard hence its insecure
jurov: i did not read further
jurov: or a pig... there's actually a book about that
bounce: no, he is a dog. this is the internets.
mike_c: 3 hours! that take some serious zen power.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, are you working on an RNG project? Do you have a link?
mircea_popescu: mike_c next time you want to ask me why the cardano isn't done by xmas...
jurov: robwhiz22: it's often discussed here, if you'd actually read the logs
jurov: but you seem to be write-only dude
bounce: maybe it should be. backdoored and all.
bounce: bogon-triggered tacnuke
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04799932 = 0.144 BTC [+] {3}
robwhiz22: jurov, why is it often discussed here? Could you summarize?
fluffypony: robwhiz22: the rng project is basically based on buttcoin:sharpie density
robwhiz22: jurov, is there a write-up somewhere?
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096485 BTC [+]
jurov: robwhiz22: google the logs for hookers+microphone
fluffypony: asciilifeform: the seed is a digital breathalyser...works best when you're drunk;)
ozbot: Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
mircea_popescu: "This brings me to the core of what I dislike about Wolfram's book. It is going to set the field back by years. On the one hand, scientists in other fields are going to think we're all crackpots like him. On the other hand, we're going to be deluged, again, with people who fall for this kind of nonsense. I expect to have to waste a lot of time in the next few years de-programming students who'll have read A New Kind of
mircea_popescu: we do not want "more adoption", especially if that "more adoption" is sandmans brought in by aspirin bitcoin "jesuses"
thestringpuller: the problem of bitcoin is the problem of the internet...eternal september
jurov: all that rubbish. why i had to do my first programming steps in qbasic?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not pulling a bitcoinica, that's pulling a washingtonica.
jurov: because nobody could be bothered to make free list for msdos
gribble: Time since last block: 45 minutes and 21 seconds
jurov: all these high horses
mircea_popescu: jurov if you stole msdos to the degree you thought it was free
jurov: cuz nobody around had it
fluffypony: jurov: you think that's bad, I started on GWBASIC and then progressed to Pascal
jurov: i progressed to pascal, too
bounce: back when, no ubiquitous 'net, not even a modem, and no connections to extoll the virtues of lisp
[\]: I still remember seeing a=a+1 for the first time
fluffypony: I vastly preferred PowerBasic to Turbo PAscal
[\]: and thinking that that statement was impossible
bounce: did get a forth from somebody, but without a good book it was hard to get started with it
[\]: since algebra says things must be balanced
mircea_popescu: i kept editing the code to do weird shit. was loads of fun
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I learned something today I never knew...mind blown.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it was [pretty obvious even at the time. they looked alike.
Diablo-D3: quickbasic uses a more powerful version of that editor
bounce: some things are best forgotten
fluffypony: I remember when I got my Nokia 6110 and it had Snake on it
fluffypony: and nobody understood wtf I was talking about
ozbot: QBASIC Gorillas - YouTube
jurov: anyway. what i want to say, despite it was quite decent environment, it naturally led everyone to use turbopascal&co.
Diablo-D3: but yeah, qbasic had a scortched earth clone
jurov: if there was a cool DOS game built on lisp
jurov: we could have been years ahead
daybyter: fluffypony: I started a rewrite of that game in javascript to use it for coin gaming.
fluffypony: jurov: I will say this much, Turbo Pascal forced me to learn asm because some functions were orders of magnitude faster when offloaded to inline asm
mircea_popescu: actually it was a while until they had the first optimizing compiler working
jurov: what problem? 386 can run a nifty logic game with interpreter
fluffypony: who remembers Swag, the Turbo Pascal code snippets collection?
robwhiz22: sorry, I received a phone call and was disconnected without noticing.
dignork: ew, I remember writing TSR programs in TP+asm, it was a horrible junk
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I remember trading copies on stiffy disk because the Internet wasn't as common, and then eventually in like 1998/1999 downloading my first "current" release
fluffypony: dignork: it was the gold standard at the time :-P
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, you said earlier you did not see my two emails to you. I forwarded both to you now - did you get them?
robwhiz22: I used the address from the cryptome announcement, which you responded to once suggesting I talk to you here.
dignork: fluffypony, and Ralph Brown's INT list, although there was some nice interactive help system as well
fluffypony: dignork: before that list I used a Peter Norton programming guide that had an interrupt table
bounce: borland turbo pascal was a great step-up to asm because it was easy to get going with --also nicely light-weight compared to C!-- and made inline asm ridiculously easy.
fluffypony: borland really screwed things up over the years
bounce: smallest TSR I did was... 32 bytes total memory cost. 16 bytes code, 16 bytes allocated memory given to DOS before exiting.
jurov: ^ and 20 years later, lispers still accusatorily point fingers in vain
bounce: the tp compiler does its thing much quicker than the tc compiler
bounce: and can relatively simply be put on a 360k floppy; just drop the bgi stuff from the std lib collection. compiler, stdlib, 3rd party editor. off you go. that just doesn't work so well with C.
dignork: bounce, there was a debug.exe just to write .COM, i think it was still supplied in winXP
Naphex: people here should stop talking about turbo pascal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.05402874 = 0.9725 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: wtf is it going to do with it, give you asm error messages ?
Naphex: in order too keep this channel cool
mircea_popescu: i haven't since the days i was looking through files to spot stoned.b
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I will have to go soon.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: on embedded devices or generally?
bounce: borland turbo C also had a similar "basm" thingy, so no need to fsck around with hexstrings. tp was just the thing we used because it was easy to use. indeed, easier than tc.
bounce: back in the days of 'zines over modem and even the odd book with virus listings from the library. forbidden knowledge!
MGK: Anyone interested in a graded MS65 1BTC casasius coin? Asking 1.5btc.
jurov: as in, .999 fine brass?
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
gribble: Error: "railgun" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "nailgun" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "monorailcat" is not a valid command.
fluffypony: bounce: or wait, I'm talking about the old South African zine called forbidden knowledge, not sure if you were just saying that in general
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
mike_c: what? it's a kitten with a laser. no biggie.
bounce: that didn't quite reach faraway europe, I don't think, no.
bounce: or maybe it did and I just don't remember.
MGK: sorry Im doing a few things
bounce: .txt file, starts with <html>. huh.
gribble: Error: "manul" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "derpage" is not a valid command.
fluffypony: reading some of the stuff I contributed is painful
gribble: Error: "canned" is not a valid command.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00095797 = 9.5797 BTC [-]
benkay: hey mircea_popescu i think i'm misreading your mpex tech stuff article - web servers have a copy of the db to fulfill stat requests?
mircea_popescu: it's anonimized to some degree, mostly by replacing keys, but that shouldn't be relied on.
benkay: do they then have a copy of the mpex keys as well? for the signing of stats etc?
benkay: how does a stat get signed then?
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I'll try to reach you tomorrow. What is the best time to talk in here?
benkay: complicated i can handle
mircea_popescu: well no, what i mean is "that's complicated" in the sense of i'm not about to spill it.
ozbot: An Error Has Occurred
benkay: oh i got that loud and clear
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, that is a good policy.
fluffypony: I look forward to robwhiz22 joining us tomorrow
fluffypony: maybe he'll show us the sekrit dokumints
gribble: Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be', is identified as user 'fluffypony', with GPG key id 7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, key fingerprint BDA6BD7042B721C467A9759D7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, and bitcoin address 1FAvFCgXBmJ4uV3p1NFzWkkyndH7FJ6Vzx
gribble: Error: You already have voice in #bitcoin-otc.
rithm: /nickserv identify rithm sekritpa55word
bounce proposes an ignore-o-meter that'll show who gets ignored by how many others in nice convenient bargraphs
dignork: rithm, /msg NickServ SET PASSWORD sekritpa55word2
rithm: -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
rithm: MIIEpQIBAAKCAQEA1lEXqr+TZ70mhIr+Ju92krlUiEO8MlXXXeZVAvZqlkI2AC2V
rithm: Qb+jTmfu/LwZXAYpsmgsi17zU0RytRO0/jYJ2P9HoY6x3qVvwm/Uoog1iVjaDrBd
rithm knew he shouldn't have used ssl on his bouncer
bounce next develops a calculus of (whatever the term is for the state of being ignored)
dignork: rithm, pastebin your privkey, it got truncated :(
rithm: none of the affected are exposed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]
rithm: i'm taking my time
rithm: drinking beer and shit watching the internet burn
rithm: ya'll didn't even try to login to nickserv gah
dignork: rithm, i just checked that i have this password in list of human generated passwords (i did)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05405775 = 0.2703 BTC [-] {2}
rithm: it's my passphrase to my wallet too
rithm: that i generated in stock ubuntu
rithm: it's still online with billions of bitcoins if you want 'em come get em bro
fluffypony: rithm: I think I'm going to try random sha256 hash collision instead
akstunt600: he is too much of a pussy for all that
los_pantalones: ever seen that study about how really dumb people don't realize they are dumb
fluffypony: akstunt600: I'm sure he meant 10 years experience in netsec and not btc, though
akstunt600: like especially if they did like zerocoin styl on 2nd chain
fluffypony: what boggles my mind is that they (mtgox) were liquid enough to pay someone to rewrite everything in a less-crap way, and to permanently employ a bunch of CISSPs (at the very least)
benkay: ;;later tell princessnell it's actually gpg keys which are tied to mpex accounts
fluffypony: to have such an Ivory Tower complex that you don't is...well...
jurov: fluffypony look no further than thermos
fluffypony: akstunt600: yes, he doesn't keep the coffee hot!
jurov: fluffypony no problem, lay here on the couch and let's latalk
benkay: davout mircea_popescu x.eur has delivery performed by delivery of cash to a bitcoin-central account, right?
fluffypony: and if someone can give me a scalp massage
mircea_popescu: people don't quite grasp how bad a business mtgox was on a cashflow basis.
mircea_popescu: 1. it was created by jeb mccaleb, the douche that recently fucked up kraken, and some other derps, on a shoestring.
dignork: mircea_popescu, but nobody knows really, have they ever published any reports?
mircea_popescu: it went nowhere so 2. karpeles took it over, with aid from some angel investors.
akstunt600: what did you expect they were a magic the gathering trading site
mircea_popescu: he proceeded to buy some failed polish exchange, which was over its history a loss,
akstunt600: well not officialy but i dont believeit
mircea_popescu: and then 3. got raped by jeb mccaleb (the "auditor") taking btc to 1 cent.
mircea_popescu: then they ran at a loss for all of 2012, piling more and more angel round money into a hole.
mircea_popescu: then just as 2013 brought increased prices and revenues, they lost 5mn dollars to the us fed, because karpeles is retarded and doesn't understand when to say no.
akstunt600: at least they didnt try to sell goxshares
mircea_popescu: all through this they were trying to daytrade, and doing it as well as bitcoinica
mircea_popescu: this is something you can maybe carry on for a while, but if you're trying to it's a damned good idea not to annoy me as a side dish.
jurov: akstunt600: they will inevitably try it as "Gox"
mircea_popescu: and so this brings us to the spring of 2013, ever increasing pressures and eventually their collapse.
mircea_popescu: they never actually had a lump of money they didn't owe someone.
jurov: i want to see a bank that'll dare to manage New Gox's acct
akstunt600: hahahha i dont even want to see that attempted
akstunt600: mircea_popescu, that makes perfect sense to me
dignork: mircea_popescu if i read the history correctly, their report was published once, and long time ago
ozbot: Investor Group Seeks Court OK to Buy, Revive Bankrupt Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox - WSJ.com
jurov: need to find non paywalled article
mircea_popescu: jurov that's ok, that's the last anyone'll ever heard of that.
jurov: The investor group, which includes Brock Pierce, a former child actor-turned technology entrepreneur,
jurov: i think that's all i need to know
fluffypony: from now on I'm going to tell people I"m a former child actor-turned technology entrepreneur
jurov: .. and investor with hollywood ties
dignork: well, for 1btc I'd buy it just for lulz
mircea_popescu: dignork you familiar with court supervised acquisitions ?
bounce: not me, explain away. why do they need an "investor group" to pony up one full bitcoin, given that they're not paying the debts outright but planning to pay'em back by running the thing anew?
dignork: mircea_popescu, yes, not too deeply though. But I'd buy it only as "dignork", pgp key 8334BB7B5BDFA126
samson_: I can't get over the fact that 'Chicago-based SilkRoad Equity' are involved in this...
mircea_popescu: bounce you need to either pay upfront more than the judge evaluates the assets could conceivably fetch, or else execute a credible plan to deliver. and since this is examined by jurists rather than business people (and let alone forum fucktards) the estimates tend to be quite conservative.
akstunt600: I dug that up to a while a go and was liek WTF
bounce: oh to start a company and requiring all titles to have "derp" in them somewhere.
bounce: conservative as in generous?
cazalla: not surprising to see someone like Brock Pierce involved given his history with RMT, he's the 2nd person I've come across in bitcoin that I knew of before Bitcoin, first being voorhees from wickedfire heh
mircea_popescu: no, conservative as in "where did you go to school ?" and other anathema mp-esque questions the child actors of this world abhor.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: do they use a jury for financial stuff as well??? geeze...:/
bounce: "higher than a bargaining businessman would-be buyer would bid", then.
bounce: ah. need to have an impressive name and such. so that's why this "child actor" got roped in.
jurov: i suspect hollywood wants to tap the drama
bounce: spendy drama quality drama
akstunt600: hahhahha fluffypony I would like to annouce new chief operating derp
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cazalla: I think he did much more in RMT than h is child acting days tbh
fluffypony: akstunt600: also we need a Derp Scientist
cazalla: he was THE guy back in the EQ days
cazalla: yeah wickedfire which is interesting because I read an article where you said it would attrack the internet marketing crowd and I say there thinking oh top kek that's me
ozbot: Mr. Derp - Video Clips - South Park Studios
cazalla: sat there, fuck i need a coffee
ozbot: FairProof.com - the simplest provably fair bitcoin multi-lottery (instant)
fluffypony: and then they announce a new SSL cert, wtf
bounce: now the race is on to see who can post their secret key here the first
cazalla: nothing now, i just use to run spam blogs fill with adsense
mircea_popescu: fluffypony my wicked heart smiled when the thing was announced and schneier had to write an article about how he is affected. i on the other side, did not.
cazalla: panda/pengion killed it for me
fluffypony: cazalla: yeah, Google started loving content
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00095797 = 14.5611 BTC [-]
cazalla: fluffypony: i wouldn't go that far, more like loving adwords and their pushing their own products into every profitable vertical
fluffypony: asciilifeform: aren't we moving towards SSL on everything forever?
mircea_popescu: we are moving away from ssl and generally pki, and generally usg-crap. forever.
cazalla: still, never though indians writing 250 word articles for $3 would scale like it did
cazalla: thought*.. going back to bed, damn baby crying all night and can't even focus on spelling
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's the thing : bitcoin finally creates the possibility for natural selection.
mircea_popescu: it matters not that ther world is full of mastodons as long as two mice are fucking somewhere.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.28, Best ask: 380.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 380.28, 24 hour volume: 43714.37060882, 24 hour low: 375.0, 24 hour high: 444.26, 24 hour vwap: 403.597670398
MGK: Im selling a graded MS65 1bitcoin casacious coin, asking 1.5BTC.
SatoshiJack: mp,tat -- you guys need to get some people building around atc! I've tried contacting the Brainwallet.org devs -- but no luck getting them to show atc some love...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58 = 3.48 BTC [+]
jurov: SatoshiJack: brainwallet should work with atc out of the box, no?
SatoshiJack: nope -- I don't think so -- no way to have it autogenerate based on the rules for atc... they will have to add support which would mean tweaking code for determinsitc wallets etc...
jurov: but atc has same rules as btc
benkay: different addresses, tho
benkay: what does your altcoin addr start with?
SatoshiJack: I will give you full details in a day or so -- we are going through the code now -- and figuring out what we have tobuild for it --- our big thing is -- how we generate address etc... I need to be able to generate like 1000 or so at a time -- and also to be able to submit transactions similar to how brainwallet.org works with blockchain.info for transaction submits...
ozbot: Badger Badger Badger.com The Original Dancing Badgers!
benkay: coulda sworn they were different
akstunt600: thought you could use some cheering up
ozbot: Mystery of Prince Rupert's Drop at 130,000 fps - Smarter Every Day 86 - YouTube
benkay: once upon a time i took 2nd place in physics for attempting to quantify polarization of light coming through a prd as a proxy for embedded stress
benkay: just look how fucking fast that thing tears itself apart
ozbot: Mystery of Prince Rupert's Drop at 130,000 fps - Smarter Every Day 86 - YouTube
benkay: fractures move at like 1 mile/sec
blackwhite: so whats going on with btc? was it the australian bank that caused the drop?
ozbot: Bitcoin firms dumped by National Australia Bank as 'too risky' | World news | theguardian.com