mircea_popescu: a country where ordinary people obey the law is the worst sort of country to live in.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu, chetty: can you comment? << yes i can comment. i carried a huge stack of bills inside, it's not that they allowed it, it's that they don't evenm know, cause they couldn't be bothered to find out.
mircea_popescu: i imagine they would prefer you don't take dollars out, however. not sure why you'd want to, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: and nobody's mugging anyone, that's for damned sure. i saw more muggings a day in new york than in a month of here.
mircea_popescu: also in general, i find that what the resident expats say about BA is about as spot on as if they had never visited
mircea_popescu: (this dovetails nicely into my experience with mexico : everyone was like "omg, carry toilet paper!!". in reality, mexico bus stations look better, are cleanner and so forth than us airports)
mircea_popescu: well in point of fact you could get by pretty well on a suitcase full of jeans at some point
gribble: Error: "note" is not a valid command.
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, bitcoingirl, cevidad, congrats, decimation, gaantr2, hydruid, Immukization, Immuzikkation, jmcorgan, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, and ryepdx.
assbot: HAKMEM -- PROGRAMMING HACKS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 48 @ 0.00380417 = 0.1826 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: HAKMEM -- RANDOM NUMBERS -- DRAFT, NOT YET PROOFED
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hope there are no btc sniffing dogs << laugh, but i bet some bozo is working on ferreting out 'kulaks' through pheromonal sensing of one kind or another. fellow who walks around knowing he's loaded, probably can be smelled, in principle << women can definitely smell me.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: EFF seems to suffer from the librarian view of technology, hard to tell if they are stooges or unaware. << eff is a large donation based org. it has the limitations and blind spots that flow from that. it's useful for what it's iuseful, it's not the pope of electronic freedom. juust a tool.
mircea_popescu: reason is probably similar to why perfume can't replace shower.
mircea_popescu: you can drown the loser in my ballsack sweat, it still won't smell pleasant.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 58 @ 0.0038 = 0.2204 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.00379 = 0.1175 BTC [-]
atcbot: 12k@270 25k@269 8k@256 | 3k@150 50k@143 175k@142
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 256 Last Price: 256 24h-Vol: 221k High: 256 Low: 140 VWAP: 213
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 155380.44 in 1983 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -78.28
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00086556 = 15.407 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: north koreans shouting ones and zeros into telephones have better uptime <<< yes well, there's a reason i've not seen three digits on a bill for years and years.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: warren's getting smacked << i really was hoping for more action ;/
mircea_popescu: lol nice link ThickAsThieves . aurorACOIN Difficulty: 36
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 155380.44 in 1983 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -78.28
atcbot: 0 minutes and 56 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086368 = 2.9365 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: looks like either a horrible wax job or some sort of dermatological testing
assbot: Tooth Fairy Refusing to Take Teeth From a Teratoma | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
mircea_popescu: Local resident Brittany Friedly underwent surgery to remove a mass on her ovary. What was somewhat unique about this mass you might ask? It was a teratoma that contained hair and 7 teeth.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.30932578 = 9.2798 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.32899998 = 1.316 BTC [+]
assbot: Joint Commission is Coming: Hospital Plans to Change Everything for One Day and Revert Back to Normal Operations Afterwards | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.32899998 = 0.658 BTC [+]
assbot: Unlucky Norichika Aoki Gets Hit In Head With Throw Back To Mound
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00086368 = 9.2414 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0029905 = 0.1525 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Are they actually neighbors, or potekemin neighbors who professionally reside in that house?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15822 @ 0.00086368 = 13.6651 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: actually : is solar power a loit better than mains for this ?
mircea_popescu: i'd expect it's maybe noisier but definitely not harmonic
BingoBoingo: There's more equiptment tuned for these applications when using solar than mains, at least in the consumer/prosumer market
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.32899998 = 0.658 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo wonders in how many years Tesla vehicles will be routinely relieved of their batteries.
BingoBoingo: Recently replaced the laptop battery after 3 years. Lithium ion seems more influenced by time decay that cycles, to the extent I have noticed so far
BingoBoingo: This particular battery went from 5 hours charge to 5 minutes charge over three years. Breaking point on replacing it was it could no longer sustain a whole cigarette's worth of time away from the cord.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I'd prefer a computer with less speed and a 20 year RTG for power, no recharging necessary.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6292 @ 0.00086708 = 5.4557 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Quite a bit of computer can fit into 10 watts nao...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 475 @ 0.00022291 = 0.1059 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: "Elephant Pacemaker" if anyone asks its purpose...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00086354 = 5.5267 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25227 @ 0.00086291 = 21.7686 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: That is some useful math. The lithium coin cells, can also generally survive 10+ years in a constant low drain environment...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 157 @ 0.0029955 = 0.4703 BTC [+]
assbot: Disappointing sentences of Wikipedia: "Piranhas are basically like regular fish with large teeth."
TheNewDeal: Disappointing sentences of Wikipedia: the entirety
TheNewDeal: I laughed, but only because you prefaced with "laugh if you will"
Vexual: either will make my brain hurt
TheNewDeal: I thought the whole point of a transformer was to change voltage?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32899998 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: speaking of loud transformers, I was sitting at a stoplight the other day under a bunch of high voltage lines, enjoying the buzz that filled the air around me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.002998 = 0.1799 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: anyone had troubles with bitcoinwisdom's graphs displaying in chrome? I tried going to chrome://conflicts but nothing was listed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00086141 = 6.5036 BTC [-] {2}
mthreat: TheNewDeal: no problems here
TheNewDeal: I know, it's more of a localized issue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: when did the first difficult change occur? block 2017?
TheNewDeal: errr I guess it was technically 1 for a while
gribble: Current Blocks: 304448 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1983 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 4 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13040152907.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.91818
TheNewDeal: why is 306341 / 2016 not a whole number?
TheNewDeal: doesn't the difficulty change every 2016 blocks?
Vexual: same reason 306341 / 2 isnt a whole number
TheNewDeal: regardless, why isn't the next difficulty change a product of 2016
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0029956 = 0.5991 BTC [-]
Vexual: lets wait and see shall we
mircea_popescu: benkay: petty. << i think it makes it quite clear who works for whom.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: no wait, tanks. it was tanks. << wanks of tanks ?
mircea_popescu: mdev: makes it hard to sell them, considering their increased value over time << this is the point where it stfus and goes read the log for the rest of 2014.
TheNewDeal: I'm kind of angry that the block reward halving doesn't occur on a multiple of 2016
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.30285714 = 2.12 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 181 @ 0.0029797 = 0.5393 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8383 @ 0.00086263 = 7.2314 BTC [+]
atcbot: 12k@270 25k@269 8k@256 | 3k@150 50k@143 175k@142
assbot: B.U.G. Mafia - Romaneste (Videoclip) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086179 = 6.8943 BTC [-]
assbot: Johnnie Johnson ~ Creek Mud - YouTube
assbot: Katy Perry sings Niggas in Paris (Cover) Live Lounge - YouTube
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 164505.44 in 1975 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -77.00
TheNewDeal: how does one calculate a %/day of the network
TheNewDeal: give me a sample calculation, with some generic variables
TheNewDeal: like hashrateRightnow/hashrate24hrsago?
TheNewDeal: lets say we have a 1 %/day growth rate over a period of 13 days
Vexual: the graph usually comes later,what u wanna do?
TheNewDeal: I'm looking at difficulty predictions and want to know what this graph can tell me
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin incremental difficulty to increase by 3B or more :: 0.49 B (39%) on Yes, 0.77 B (61%) on No | closing in 3 months 6 days | weight: 56`015 (100`000 to 6`000)
assbot: BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before 2015 :: 2.28 B (35%) on Yes, 4.29 B (65%) on No | closing in 5 months 4 weeks | weight: 57`534 (100`000 to 5`000)
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day :: 112.59 B (85%) on Yes, 19.55 B (15%) on No | closing in 1 week 19 hours | weight: 4`539 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: let's pick the closest to resolution, the last one
TheNewDeal: if the network hovers at let's say, 1.1 %/day growth, what will be the hash rate on October 1st
TheNewDeal: if the network growth rate is 1.1%, how long will it take to find 2016 blocks?
TheNewDeal: if the hashrate over the last 512 blocks averages 87,961,249 GH/s, what will be the hashrate tomorrow, assuming the growth rate was equal to that of the last 14-day period
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00086126 = 17.0099 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Iggy Pop - The Passenger - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00086116 = 9.5589 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: BingoBoingo, can you explain a hashrate graph?
Vexual: i told u wait and see cock knocker
TheNewDeal: I would like to have an educated bet, backed with some numbers, instead of going with a gut feeling
BingoBoingo: Well, the bastile day bet is looking increasingly like diff will make it, but I bet no a while a go
TheNewDeal: i'm wondering why someone laid down 6 on No, betting about a day apart. They lost 13% of the timeweight they would have had if they would have wagered it all at once
TheNewDeal: I'm wondering what made them conclude "I should bet on No", other than the fact that the payout was 2:1
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TheNewDeal: I'm trying to figure out what type of growth rates are required for 12 and 13 day difficulty changes. I can't do it
Vexual: work out what betting on yes pays
BingoBoingo: Well, payout was much better when I put one down on No
TheNewDeal: when I was betting, it was about a 12% (constant) difficulty increase that would make it happen
TheNewDeal: but the last difficulty change was going to be questionable
Vexual: howmany bitbets have paid yes?
assbot: BitBet - Block 315k mined on or before July 28th :: 0.44 B (5%) on Yes, 8.39 B (95%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 25`709 (100`000 to 5`000)
TheNewDeal: not concerned about script, only betting BTC
TheNewDeal: the network would have to pump out blocks like 15% faster over the next 10,000 for that block 315k to be yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21617 @ 0.00086233 = 18.641 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00086284 = 8.3695 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.0240001 = 0.456 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.00379 = 0.1137 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086096 = 5.424 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.0008607 = 2.0657 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00086043 = 20.7364 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.072 = 0.576 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711 = 0.1422 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0028802 = 0.288 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0240001 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.024 = 0.216 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 233 @ 0.00052801 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.0028003 = 0.2716 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0237 = 0.1896 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.02991105 = 1.0768 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.02333336 = 0.14 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.02991094 = 0.2692 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0211888 = 0.1059 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07299997 = 0.511 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.27770001 = 0.8331 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07299977 = 0.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.27157522 = 2.4442 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 170 @ 0.00272565 = 0.4634 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.00271382 = 0.5265 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16413 @ 0.00086118 = 14.1345 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.26500006 = 0.795 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.263213 = 0.5264 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2612 = 0.5224 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2612002 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00271 = 0.2602 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2612 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67150 @ 0.0008602 = 57.7624 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00085919 = 2.4057 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2569 @ 0.00085873 = 2.2061 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299997 = 0.146 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02991111 = 0.5982 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29890235 = 1.1956 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2996998 = 0.5994 BTC [+]
assbot: The day I left my son in the car - Salon.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2996998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2996998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07100021 = 1.42 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.3 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.304 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07299968 = 1.533 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07306328 = 0.4384 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14882 @ 0.00086138 = 12.8191 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07318999 = 0.3659 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.30131999 = 1.5066 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29607554 = 0.8882 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28015005 = 0.5603 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00086211 = 15.2162 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.28010005 = 1.1204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2801001 = 0.5602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10228 @ 0.00086055 = 8.8017 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0243942 = 0.122 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213693 = 0.1068 BTC [+]
assbot: Harvard confirms century-old book is covered in human skin | The Verge
kakobrekla: did you register for the world of tanks mdev'
punkman: I have a spare one, only 2 BTC and free shipping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.03 = 0.12 BTC [+]
mdev: be on the lookout for that promo site scammer
mdev: doubt he'd be able to do much in here, but he's been quite active in other cryptocoin chans i'm in
mdev: he may try and make nice nice to get voice then drop his link
mdev: he links to some article "Making money by bitcoin arbitrage"
mdev: that wants you to send his site coins or something to try and get over on exchanges
kakobrekla: yeah well this chan is prolly the last one that would need a warning :)
mdev: :) yeah I don't know, spammers can be pretty crafty he's been banned from #bitcoin quite a bit, and keeps showing back up
mdev: you guys have this channel pretty locked down though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00086279 = 7.722 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2801 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00085887 = 19.4534 BTC [-] {4}
mdev: thanks, i'm a freelance dev, plan on working on my own company stuff eventually, I do mostly web projects these days
mdev: lot of mobile projects out there too
mdev: anyway gotta get ready, is my SO's birthday today, if i'm not allowed to idle in here I won't be upset if you end up kicking
mdev: i'll look into registering later so won't be a burden on you guys anyway with the upping stuff
fluffypony: to be voiced you typically have to be in the WoT and in assbot's L1 or L2 trust, or be voiced by someone else temporarily
assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 593 @ 0.0001857 = 0.1101 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1055 @ 0.00019988 = 0.2109 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
assbot: Gitchain by Yurii Rashkovskii — Kickstarter
Diablo-D3: git is already distributed and cant go down
Diablo-D3: I dont get what hes trying to solve
pankkake: the only thing could be private repositories, though there already are client-side encryption projects
pankkake: but I fail to see a compelling reason to use it even then
Diablo-D3: I mean, git even lets me email patches
Diablo-D3: like, right from git or something like that
Diablo-D3: Ive never had to do that because GASP I CAN HOST MY OWN REPO
pankkake: too many people confusing git and github :(
xmj: github clone origin master
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0213697 = 0.2351 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02129973 = 0.1704 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: idea: git push requests
fluffypony: pankkake: but come now, EVERYTHING must be rewritten to use blockchain technology
fluffypony: just wait till I have my Kickstarter for BitIRC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.03 = 0.21 BTC [+]
pankkake: what's more unfortunate, is that things where it is actually useful, like domain names and certificates… no one cares
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0212955 = 0.1491 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: The #1 Problem Bitcoin Will Solve by 2015 – Bitcoin Magazine
ThickAsThieves: “By the end of 2015 I hope that Bitcoin will enable people to be able to transact with other individuals across the planet, without requiring permission from a bank or government.”
ThickAsThieves: Jon Matonis – “The number one problem that I hope Bitcoin will solve by the end of 2015 is the ability to provide a realistic and viable alternative to central bank issued currencies.”
mircea_popescu: about the missing mpex reports : s.nsa will be published today. s.mpex will be published next month.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: <pankkake> what's more unfortunate, is that things where it is actually useful, like domain names and certificates
no one cares << this IS sad.
mircea_popescu: i was kinda having high hopes for namecoin. then it died. then i was having high hopes again. then it seems it died #2 ?
pankkake: there are things slowly happening. opennic now serves .bit, there are a few services…
mircea_popescu: hm. maybe it's time to stfu and actually support it a little.
mircea_popescu: pankkake can you be bothered to be my nmc broker or have you had it with brokering ?
pankkake: I can, I have a namecoin node already
pankkake: though it's on my datacenter server, so for large amounts I'll have to change
pankkake: I actually bought my last NMC there, with my ATC sales
pankkake: using namecoind is horrible. though I haven't tried the Qt one
pankkake: it's missing many useful commands, and is slow
pankkake: makes it hard to track what's happening
mircea_popescu: remind me, what are the chain characteristics ? sha256 ? how many per block, how frequent blocks ?
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: as well as updated windows binaries, Altcoin could certainly use coin control features. there's the possibility of using 0.9 (perhaps disable payment protocol as a statement), or merge the bitcoin-omg 0.8 patches (probably less work)
pankkake: sha256, and everything the same as Bitcoin
assbot: Namecoin block explorer
mircea_popescu: i subscribe to the coin control features, but definitely minus the payment protocol bullshit.
assbot: Namecoin block explorer
mircea_popescu: pankkake, and how do the costs to reg a domain work at all ? is it a fixed fee ?
pankkake: 0.9 changed many file locations, the build system, etc. so it's pretty much all or nothing
pankkake: I think it's 0.01 NMC, then the updates are usually free
mircea_popescu: anyway, what happens to the 1 ncent ? lost for all time ?
dub: paid to miners would be sensible neh?
pankkake: I think they are, it created some controversy
assbot: namecoin/DESIGN-namecoin.md at master vinced/namecoin GitHub
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TheNewDeal if the network hovers at let's say, 1.1 %/day growth, what will be the hash rate on October 1st << what's wrong with 1.0011^x like sane people ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake, splendid seriously. send the devs my compliments.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only demurage scheme that makes any sense.
mircea_popescu: dub, yeah i been sitting here trying to remember who was doing it
dub: nobody was last I looked
pankkake: I don't think the fee system is considered fixed for now. it is extremely cheap to register something right now
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: are you a bot? <<< ahahaha epic. was waiting for it :D
assbot: namecoinq/namecoinq GitHub
assbot: namecoin-qt/namecoin-qt GitHub
dub: putting your name to this thing is potentially worse than any other coin imo
mircea_popescu: mdev: he may try and make nice nice to get voice then drop his link << so what if he does lol. bitcoin is backed by lulz.
dub: which might explain a dev-dearth
dub: it solves some big problems but creates others
pankkake: because the media will make it as childporncoin or something?
mircea_popescu: fucking mpex solves some big problems and creates others.
dub: yes, and as soon an grandma can get to .bit and finds mr hands at wallmart.bit everyone involved is going to court then gitmo
dub: the market wants to buy control
mircea_popescu: yeah, that is so very much my concern, that it'll rape the us
mircea_popescu: i live to make sure the us won't be disrupted dontchaknow.
dub: not everyone is a what was it? cryptojihadist?
mircea_popescu: and once i am, it's cool to be, and once it's cool to be everyone has no further options in the matter.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29 = 2.03 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: because everyone is not a cool jihadist or what was it.
dub: hey I'm all for it but good luck
pankkake: hey, not everyone can resist the 72 virgins
dub: tl;dr dude gets fucked by horse on cam and dies
dub: (you've been on the internet right?)
mircea_popescu: dub, i actually had missed that one. apparently my internet use a decade ago was not sufficiently close to matters of interes tfor the gay community.
dub: the point is you can't really decouple branding from ownership
mircea_popescu: the other point being that customers can have any car color they want as long as it's black.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5989 @ 0.0008624 = 5.1649 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the fact that organised scammers can currently steal domain names is the most important vector of attack reducing the credibility of the dns system
mircea_popescu: if that's done away with, dns may even survive as a going concern
dub: they can't steal them though
dub: they can hijack at best
dub: I think the most concerning vector of attack is the fucking NSA
dub: and, equally, corporate america
mircea_popescu: if i ever turn to a life of crime and merry robbery, i'ma leave the victims arrest warrants in rem too
mircea_popescu: "As there was no law against humanely fucking one horse, the prosecutors could only charge Tait with trespassing."
mircea_popescu: "The police tracked down the rural Enumclaw-area farm, which was known in zoophile Internet chat rooms as a destination for people who want to have sex with livestock, and seized hundreds of hours of videotapes of men engaging in receptive anal sex with horses. One of the videotapes featured Kenneth Pinyan shortly before he died July 2"
dub: sieze your gay horse porn? why not
xmj: 'receptive anal sex'
dub: the horse is like 'meh, any port in a storm'
dub: mircea_popescu: some apparently cannot
mircea_popescu: there go asciilifeform's hopes of impalement as a punishment
TomServo: evidently they can, may include perforated colon, but hey
mircea_popescu: TomServo, its dawning of me that for it to be a perforated colon rather than a torn anus it'd have had to be... in
dub: Diablo-D3: think so, thats the voyage of discovery mp is on
Diablo-D3: yeah, thats, uh, just, uh, lame tbh
Diablo-D3: there are much safer alternatives than horse dick
dub: I know another kenneth who could use getting fucked to death by a horse
Diablo-D3: like those hilariously large faux horse dildos
kakobrekla: wtf my nsa shirt has holes innit. brand new holes.
dub: one each for your arms and the hairy part in the middle
TomServo: I thought NSA shirts shipped with cardano?! what is this scam?!
mircea_popescu: we're making it difficult for the real nsa to get one.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: IRC meets blockchain technology << actually if you want to do something useful, provision a server (ie, the actual hardware), donate its use to the freenode people (they have a special page)
mircea_popescu: that way, if anything happens (such as freenode going down, or becoming assholes or w/e) we'll have a set of irc servers ready to go and create our own irc network.
dub: usually the bar for linking a server is set kinda high
mircea_popescu: the ircd is solid, and the irc network is going to be how we communicate.
dub: you might be able to donate hardware but they wont give you control of it without a lot of trust
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pankkake: it's where altcoins go to die. and it's old
pankkake: "To increase your trading ability, please verify your account!" lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00085858 = 16.313 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i already made the account, it says 3099 is an invalid code
dub: bittrex looks ok, seems to be real people
☟︎ pankkake: 88ee24aa384fa7680c54db5d3a17ded28aed34e0
pankkake: I thought it was some sort of secret key
los_pantalones: had a buddy at cryptsy that kept getting negative btc balances
los_pantalones: then i think a few more people started reporting issues
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: what you doing with Cryptsy? getting ATC listed?
mircea_popescu: "the Bitcoin network has reached nearly 100 petahashes of processing power, less than 8 piddling months after hitting 1 petahash."
mircea_popescu: pete's law of the bitcoin network ? "two degrees of magnitude each 8 months"
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: what you doing with Cryptsy? getting ATC listed? /// well i'm emailing support for the seconf time about it, but this time to see if they'll add it to a special page they have for letting community vote on what to add next. this mechanism also has a way to pay for votes (i havent done the math)
ThickAsThieves: I've also got the trading bug a few weeks ago, so dipping into alts too
mircea_popescu: i thought they have 10 derps voting like whatever meanwhile dead exchange used to
fluffypony: and you can also use your Cryptsy points to vote
fluffypony: I have some points I can blow on votes
mircea_popescu: playing stupid social media games with some anon's derpy site, what is this.
pankkake: many altcoin exchanges have the same bizness model
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11570 @ 0.0008597 = 9.9467 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: I believe you've discovered the Lilac Breasted Usagi, asciilifeform
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 3000 @ 0.0003 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14047 @ 0.00085831 = 12.0567 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: the pope is replenishing hit points "Pontiff says couples who decide not to procreate and opt to get a dog or cat instead face the 'bitterness of loneliness' in old age"
fluffypony: at least we have something to look forward to in our old age :-P
xmj: ThickAsThieves: eeee
fluffypony: who else is going to Talla at the end of the month?
mircea_popescu: face the 'bitterness of loneliness' in old age" << this is quite true, he has a point.
xmj: but it does not need the pope to bring up the image of the old, bitter, catlady
ThickAsThieves: you heard it here first, Kate-Craig is gonna default on the ciphermine.b1 bond
fluffypony: I haven't spoken to her since December
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00085831 = 3.4762 BTC [-]
punkman: pigeon flew into the house the other day, derped around for like 10 minutes, shat on my bed, then flew out before I could strangle it
pankkake: deprived wasn't 100% in it right?
Apocalyptic: TAT, kinda wondering why you need cryptsy to accept ATC
pankkake: punkman: wow, that's some level of pigeon-assholism
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, that "volume" is essentially trader puming & dumping coins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.024394 = 0.2439 BTC [-]
punkman: pankkake: yeah last pigeon had the decency to only shit under the bed
ThickAsThieves: i understand why you'd want things to stay on x-bt though
Apocalyptic: adding more coins will attract the kind of people we really don't want in ATC imo
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> you heard it here first, Kate-Craig is gonna default on the ciphermine.b1 bond << such a successful business-ex-man ?!
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> but the alternative would be to advertise x-bt more << this can't hurt.
Apocalyptic: it's like saying to MPEX to add more bitcoinbourse securities, cause that's where it's at
mircea_popescu: why play the stupid games of some derp that's not even in the wot ?
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, I heard Blockr is going to implement x-bt as the default exchange for ATC
Apocalyptic: and Cryptocoinschart is going to add it as well
ThickAsThieves: excellent, i'm not trying to act critical or impatient
ThickAsThieves: but the next level of ATC adoption would likely include it being listed on another crop of exchanges regardless
ThickAsThieves: and odds are also high my instigation will be ineffective anyway
ThickAsThieves: and things will continue to play out as they do without me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00085976 = 8.9845 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, basically you've elected to not be part of bitcoin and so to dull the ache of it will now play an ipad app game about bitcoins ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.280775 = 1.1231 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: well no, i don';t have one. i do have the habit of asking unpleasant questions.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily always relevant, that's usually harder to optimize for
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27123 = 0.5425 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i'm a bit more squishy than you when it comes to these ideals, like No WoT, No Service
ThickAsThieves: considering i think the WoT needs improvement and that just because you arent it doesnt make you a peasant or scammer
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kakobrekla: either glitch in the matrix or chemtrails.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, as a s.nsa manager i'll have to ask you to refrain from eating any crazy poultry or fowl,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6716 @ 0.00085788 = 5.7615 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.02812013 = 0.4218 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: I feel so sorry for american families - Imgur
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.074 = 0.444 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00256597 = 0.118 BTC [-] {4}
diametric: mircea_popescu: speaking of s.nsa, what's your take on erik's settlement with the SEC, and what do you think asciilifeform's risk is of falling into the same situation?
mircea_popescu: diametric, well, i'm not a lawyer, and especially not one admitted before the sec bar
mircea_popescu: my take on the erik settlement is in the logs, lemme fish it out
mike_c: i think if you scoured the entire logs you couldn't find one example of ascii promoting s.nsa shares
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11909 @ 0.00085755 = 10.2126 BTC [-]
diametric: mike_c: wasn't part of erik's fine simply because he had IPO'd without filing the required documentation?
mike_c: it seemed to me the only reason he got fined was that his feedzbirdz investors didn't make money.
ThickAsThieves: their main problem seems to be that no filing for exemption or registration was made
mircea_popescu: you will notice that the mpex offering is attached in the deal in a spurious and mostly doomed attempt to shoehorn some relevancy in the matter.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the entire discussion covers his glbse offering
mircea_popescu: this is a trend that has being going on for three years and is likely to continue : people who think they know better than me / don't listen to me will have problems.
mircea_popescu: <diametric> mike_c: wasn't part of erik's fine simply because he had IPO'd without filing the required documentation? << no. he was fined for having advertised a glbse scam.
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mircea_popescu: the rest is tacked on because the sec is in a very unenviable strategic position after our meanwhile piublished discussion, and would like to turn the "either mp's way or the highway" into some sort of "either mp's way or epsilon"
mike_c: speaking of s.nsa, May report coming soon? (mpoe too)
mike_c: i don't know what pankkake feeds that penguin.
mike_c: ah, i was 10 hours away from reading that. thx.
mircea_popescu: jumping from log to log in the virgin forests of bitcoin-assetia
ThickAsThieves: they seem much more open-minded this time "Thank you for contacting Cryptsy. I am happy to assist.
ThickAsThieves: I have submitted your coin to our development team who will review it
ThickAsThieves: to see if it meets our requirements for addition to the Cryptsy exchange.
ThickAsThieves: If there is anything else I can do for you, please let me know. :-)"
mircea_popescu: diametric, all that stuff aside, asciilifeform, as well as you and everyone else that can form this question or similar questions are well advised to get out of the soviet union.
mircea_popescu: much like getting into the wot, the best time to have done that is a few years agp
mircea_popescu: do me a personal favour and don't wait for the exit taxes payable in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: i will further point out that argentine citizenship, unlike romanian citizenship, is a two year affair.
danielpbarron: 09:26:55 <+los_pantalones> had a buddy at cryptsy that kept getting negative BTC balances << happened to me too
kakobrekla: that is why some ex. have 'reset balance' button
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00085738 = 22.0775 BTC [-]
diametric: I've toyed with the idea of moving to Norway a few times.. but I have far too many things anchoring me here.
diametric: at the time I mostly chose it due to the climate which I'd enjoy, as well as having the least amount of religious people.
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diametric: mircea_popescu: i don't like them.
mike_c: heh, you mean like religion? the church keep pushing that nuttery everywhere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that's more a factor of us specific idiocy. there was a fuckwit in the street hre, clearly american, derping about jesus to people. he clearly had a mortgage back home,
diametric: asciilifeform: well, i think i was more going along the lines of secularism, a lot of the population of JP doesn't identify with any single religion but rather pieces of several
mircea_popescu: and he clearly believed that a bunch of new world fuctards have truely and really discovered something imp0ortant about jesus.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13380 @ 0.00085675 = 11.4633 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: well, joseph smith did get those golden plates or whatever..
mircea_popescu: that'd be the problem, this "i can do it" atttiude applied to religion. which isn't religion in any sense, unless you count ustardianism as a religion.
mike_c: i don't see angels stopping by argentina with golden messages from aliens
mircea_popescu: in other words, religion managed to never bother me anywhere - egypt included - as much as it bothers in the us.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, ikr? california so much more visible from space.
mircea_popescu: "Officials from the group will hold meetings with "the leading Internet operators" this month to look into the possibilities for immediately shutting down web sites and barring messages that spread hatred or encourage violent militancy or terrorism, the statement said."
mircea_popescu: let's make sure our boys can't compete with their boys, and if push comes to shove our entire country is made of girls.
mircea_popescu: hopefully the islamists come riding horses, and so the entire population of "France and Belgium were broadly supported by the other countries - Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Britain, the Netherlands, Ireland and Spain " can be sexually satisfied.
davout: mircea_popescu "moving to norway would make no difference anyway." <<< we're back at criteria to choosing a place to move to :D
mircea_popescu: davout, meanwhile one has emerged in conversation. you folks coming to live with me in romania'd have had to wait > 10 years plus for citizenship, making it useless. any attempt to get the foreign minister to commit to making ongoing exceptions predictably failed, not for lack of him wanting to help, but for pure wtf... it's a eu country, it'd have ended up on all the newspapers.
mircea_popescu: argentina, meanwhile, wants you to wait *maybe* two years. that's useful.
mike_c: ooh, i like this lenore skenazy woman
mike_c: from punkman's link on leaving your child in the car
mike_c: she made national news for letting her 9 yr old ride the subway alone
mike_c: "“Let’s put aside for the moment that by far, the most dangerous thing you did to your child that day was put him in a car and drive someplace with him. About 300 children are injured in traffic accidents every day — and about two die. That’s a real risk"
kakobrekla: * asciilifeform blows dust of 'webtv for dummies' (bought on a dare in college) < wait whut camwhoreing ?
mircea_popescu: re that link : i had this nutty discussion with a guy at the mall in timisoara, his 4 yo kid was throwing an absolute tantrum on the ground
mike_c: idk that beatings help. i think i will just go with ignoring in that situation.
mike_c: beating = more screaming.
mike_c: what do i care if he wants to roll on the ground at the mall and scream? go for it.
kakobrekla: hm ok although you dont seem terminally sad.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, no, you just beat it until it's too scared to scream.
mike_c: help what? beating is attention, which is what they want.
mike_c: true. well, I'll report back in a few years.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> what do i care if he wants to roll on the ground at the mall and scream? go for it. << you care because if you didn't you'ds have married a chimp instead of his mother.
danielpbarron: beating a child is much more human then giving them a chemical lobotomy
mike_c: whoop, now i gotta give him percocet instaed of beatings :)
TomServo: +mircea_popescu | me "why don't you beat it ?" him *vacant stare* << didn't you say no beating unless double-digit in age?
danielpbarron: exactly; they give kids these pills which does damage to their brain; andd that's supposed to be more humane than a beating of the ass??
mircea_popescu: (actually what i said iirc was that if it's needed you suck a sa parent, which ... well... yeah)
mike_c: point being if they are single digits you should be able to silence them with your warface.
danielpbarron: doesn't that warface have to come with the memory that i usually is followed by a beating?
mike_c: no. my father never hit me (mom did spanking), but i was more scared of him than her.
mike_c: then his warface sucks.
mircea_popescu: speaking of weird compounds : when i was a kid you could buy coideine phosphate otc. and people did.
ThickAsThieves: my dad did this neck pinching and hand-squeezing thing
TomServo: my mom rocked a wooden spoon pretty well
danielpbarron: 10:46:55 <+mircea_popescu> me "why don't you beat it ?" him *vacant stare*
danielpbarron: you could buy coideine phosphate otc. << sippin' on sizurp
ThickAsThieves: ever have someone cup their hand over yours and press inward on your fingernails while the hand is closed?
mike_c: TomServo: did she make you get it for her? :)
mircea_popescu: mike_c, btw, the "mom did spanking" part is extremely important for the WOMAN's mental health.
mircea_popescu: ok so, you've probably heard of gehenna, but you probably don't know what it actually was.
danielpbarron: DXM is very trippy and is alleged to cause lesions
mircea_popescu: turns out, among the many things the ancient babylonians invented, such as the seals, and commerce,
mircea_popescu: a key part of this risk management was the following weird as shit aspect :
mircea_popescu: kids die, in 4000bc. unavoidably so, for a multitude or reasons.
mircea_popescu: parents loathe this. and more so in 4000bc than today, for today it's only imagined, whereas then it was a fact.
mircea_popescu: because if you can't prevent it, the only other way to gain some control over it is to do it yourself.
mircea_popescu: the mothers had serious problems with this. the fathers did to. and yet... cold equations of power.
mircea_popescu: the fathers BOUGHT poor kids to kill instead of their own kids.
danielpbarron: The Bible says, a rebellious son should be brought to the town elders and stoned to death by the community
mike_c: craziness. good to know people have always been as dumb as they are today.
mircea_popescu: \and to improve the ocntrol of this, they found a place, a natural canyon,
mircea_popescu: to prevent pestilence, they started lkeeping fires going all the time
mircea_popescu: to cover the screams of the eviscerate dbabes and their badly hurt mothers,
mircea_popescu: and out of this effort to cover screams of children and take their mother's mind off it
mircea_popescu: and from the stupidity of the illusion of control, as los_pantalones aptly put it, the control theatre
mircea_popescu: a woman had a positive incentive to mary a christian (this is much pre jesus, btw)
mircea_popescu: because that man made a firm promise prenup to never kill her children in this manner.
danielpbarron: a true christian would advocate the stoning to death of a rebellious son, even to this day
chetty: hmm I think most of todays xtians are new testament not old
mircea_popescu: but for that matter, the catholic contemporary instistence on "raising the children in the church" and promising to do so
mircea_popescu: talks back to quite ancient tradition. 6 millenia or more.
danielpbarron: chetty, it's all one; the whole Bible is essential
mike_c: a true father would advocate the stoning to death of a christian son.
TomServo: danielpbarron: I dunno, doing DXM and causing brain lesions sounds pretty rebellious. Would you have made it? :P
danielpbarron: stoning someone to death is against the law in the US, and the Bible says to submit to the governing authorities
diametric: danielpbarron: so then you agree since the law in the US allows gays to marriage, you must submit?
diametric: acknowledging the legitimacy of their marriage.
diametric: Well, a state if a governing authority is it not?
mircea_popescu: so if in your state it's legal, and a gay dude buys you from your parents
mircea_popescu: do you acknowledge you now have to obey him and so on ?
diametric: danielpbarron: the bible says it should be
danielpbarron: but anyway; to answer the question: yes I would honor my parents even if they are wicked (mine happen to be currently)
diametric: danielpbarron: but doesn't the bible also say honoring wicked people is a sin?
danielpbarron: my mom is an adulterer (divorced my dad and now has a boyfriend)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.024394 = 0.122 BTC [-]
diametric: danielpbarron: doesn't that kind of fuck you in the end, you're going to hell whether you like it or not
jurov: ThickAsThieves: there?
jurov: i wonder how would you help f.mpif moving if you were mm
Mats_cd03: you have to be pretty gullible to believe in the bible
diametric: you guys are sure he's not a troll?
mircea_popescu: "I know that a home with an unfenced swimming pool is as dangerous as one with a loaded gun."
assbot: Deuteronomy 13:10 ESV - You shall stone him to death with - Bible Gateway
mike_c: more kids die from the pool than from guns.
danielpbarron: diametric, that would violate Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
Mats_cd03: lets change that statistic and gun some children down
diametric: danielpbarron: so your god contradicts himself?
diametric: maybe the only solution is to stone yourself then.
danielpbarron: diametric, it is not a requirement of salvation to enforce the law of the old testement, but it isn't a bad idea if you can do it
mircea_popescu: well if i had no other reasons to not have kids, this'd be sufficient.
mircea_popescu: i do not wish to be involved with anything that annoying.
mike_c: ;;calc 105.599253 / 166.97404975
mike_c: gribble needs a _ operator
pankkake: you managed to fuck a billion women and had no kids?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00085847 = 15.2378 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: My friends and I sometimes play this game, the did-our-parents-really-let-us-do-that game. We recall bike ramps, model rockets, videotaping ourselves setting toys on fire. Many remember taking off on bikes alone, playing in the woods for hours without adult supervision, crawling through storm drains to follow creek beds, latchkey afternoons, monkey bars installed over slabs of concrete. My husband recalls forts built
mircea_popescu: in the trunk of the station wagon on long road trips. I remember standing up in the back of my fathers LeBaron convertible while he cruised around the neighborhood, or spending an hour lying low on the seat of our station wagon, feet against the window, daydreaming or reading in crowded parking lots while my mother got groceries or ran other boring errands. One friend tells me how, from 7-Elevens, to Kroger, to var
mircea_popescu: ious banks, schools and offices, he was left alone in the front passenger seat of a convertible Mustang for a good portion of his childhood, primarily because he was shy and wanted to not have to meet new people. For people of our generation, living a suburban childhood, the car was central to our lives, not simply a mode of transportation but in many ways, an extension of our home.
mircea_popescu: all the many things that are STILL not dangerous today.
diametric: danielpbarron: oh so now that the old testament is hard to justify in modern times, you just throw it away? except you can't, because matthew 5:18 clearly says, from Jesus, that until heaven and earth are gone, you need to follow the law of the old testament.
mike_c: jurov: how are you trying to make it move? more volume isn't really a goal is it?
mircea_popescu: "In the months of fear and shame that followed my being charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor, I continuously analyzed my own mind-set that day, trying to understand how I did something that both a bystander and a police officer considered criminally dangerous, and the best I could come up with was the theory that Id been lulled by nostalgia into a false sense of security."
diametric: danielpbarron: 17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…
mircea_popescu: the correct conclusion being that a bystander is insane and the police officer cowardly.
diametric: danielpbarron: i think you're in a bindh ere.
diametric: I wonder what Jesus's take on Bitcoin would be.
danielpbarron: diametric, the law has not be abolished; it has been fulfilled. It is still the law, but salvation is achieved through belief, not strict enforcement
jurov: fyi, hungarian citizenship is easy, just dig out some confirmation your ancestors are from old hungary (=practically whole eastern europe)
diametric: danielpbarron: its still the law, and jesus says you should follow the law, how is that not clear?
jurov: not if their grandma came from there
diametric: danielpbarron: why are you not out stoning atheists and raping their wives right now.
jurov: mike_c: yes more volume
danielpbarron: diametric, because Jesus said to submit to the government authorities, and they made stoning illegal
mike_c: lots of trading volume is not a good thing, or the goal of a market maker. goal of a market maker should be to keep the price near the intrinsic value of the asset.
mike_c: this being the goal of a good market maker, not a wall street huckster.
mike_c: you profit when people want to trade away from the asset's intrinsic value and you allow them to.
diametric: danielpbarron: killing gays in uganda is legal, so people slaughtering them still have a ticket to heaven?
mircea_popescu: mike_c, there's also some interest to allow people be served.
jurov: it is well outside it already
assbot: Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (4601 shares, 1.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
mike_c: intrinsic value != nav
jurov: last report says 0.0021536
diametric: danielpbarron: up until that point, it was cool right?
jurov: ;;calc 21725/21536
danielpbarron: diametric, you aren't saved by enforcing the law.. if you enforce the law without believing, you are like the hypocrites Jesus scolded for trying to kill the prostitute
mike_c: because present value of future cash flows counts.
jurov: ok, it's not "well" outside, i take it back
diametric: danielpbarron: so at the time, when being gay was a capital offense, and killing a gay person was legal, if a Christian killed a gay person in Uganda, and believed, they're in heaven right?
jurov: ThickAsThieves i just asked you to look to f.mpif order book and some ideas
diametric: danielpbarron: well I should say, they'll go to heaven.
danielpbarron: diametric, yes; homosexuals should be stoned to death
diametric: there we go, at least you're acknowledging the brutality of your all loving god.
jurov: "what would TAT do"
diametric: He loves you more with ever toss of a stone.
mike_c: not to keep sticking my nose in when you keep asking TaT, but i don't think more volume should be a goal.
ThickAsThieves: hmm i havent paid attention to it, but i will say i think your goal is to make money while following the rules, nothing more
diametric: this is a perfect example of Poe's law happening
ThickAsThieves: you have plenty info, but i'm guessing there is no action on the books outside 1%
jurov: mike_c you're free to discuss ofc, volume goal stems from me wating to get something out of it
diametric: as fun as it is playing chess with pigeons, i'm going afk for a bit.
ThickAsThieves: fwiw, it's common for very little selling to happen on mpex
mike_c: <back on soapbox> if you have good shareholders, why do you want them leaving? (i.e. selling)
mike_c: 40 years worth so far. 10 more to go.
jurov: okay, so.. if the orderbook/volume keeps staying like this, i'll just get long
mircea_popescu: anyway, take the ethical end of it : would you rather have drug addicts use clean needles or w/e they can find in hospital garbage ?
ThickAsThieves: you're left basically waiting for your over/underpriced orders to fill
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, it's always dangerous to imagine things will forever go the way they went the past month.
mike_c: BingoBoingo watched paint dry last month. it was the right thing to do.
jurov: yes. the problem is, overpriced order end up above the 1m offered
jurov: and underpriced must get below my 2% band
jurov: and this can stay so for several moths
mike_c: then you have an easy job :)
mike_c: at some point a significant holder will want to get out, or a significant buyer will want to get in. jurov will be there waiting.
jurov: just soliciting ideas, i may feel ineffective if this keeps going on for longer time
mike_c: isn't your constraint 1%?
jurov: yes, on both sides of nav
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ThickAsThieves: so all he has to do is keep himself in his band and wait
mike_c: ;;calc 0.0002158 * 1.01
mike_c: ah, that is above the new share block.
ThickAsThieves: unless you wanna go promoting MPEx to get more users, which, incidentally is already something you have incentive to do with Coinbr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 882 @ 0.0008585 = 0.7572 BTC [+]
jurov: coinbr rode mostly on satoshidice
jurov: since it went away, not very much
jurov: the thing i think would help most, would be to offer margin.. but i don't feel like going into such alone and did not find anyone suitable yet
jurov: why not? X.EUR + margin could replace the former options
jurov: did you ask mp for it? you know wat are the conditions?
jurov: that's something i need someone who has plenty of trade experience to help figure me out
ThickAsThieves: i dont see that as an early stage service to safely get into
jurov: i think of something like bitcoinica was, just done right and with delivery in euros (via x.eur)
ThickAsThieves: and combining that with that mpex does offer it, it seems an awkward path to start on
ThickAsThieves: i'd lean towards expansion into other less-mpexy services
jurov: such as.. dice games? :DDD
ThickAsThieves: well not quite what i meant, but i was forgetting you have that
ThickAsThieves: right now coinprism has a wallet and people can ipo, but there;s no exchange
jurov: there's your answer... why they did not go on nigger coins?
ThickAsThieves: those would be better example of what i mean for paths for CoinBr
jurov: we looked into it for coinroll, it's mess
ThickAsThieves: as much as i have spoken against colored coins, i have come around to seeing how they'll probably have a place
jurov: and i have another project in the pipeline, too
jurov: no need to add more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00086231 = 14.1419 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: it will use freenet to ensure we can't learn anything about the customers even under rectothermals
jurov: the prototype is working, but as did not find decent admin, must to thet part myself
assbot: Man runs 3,237 miles in name of Bitcoin and homelessness - CNET
ThickAsThieves: "In the four months he's been on the move, he's shed 72 pounds, met all sorts of people, and been daunted by the thousands of miles ahead."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086279 = 4.6159 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0213 = 0.1491 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.024394 = 0.1464 BTC [-]
xmj: such AI, many lulz, much fun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 19.40158558 BTC to 8`242 shares, 235399 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76279896 BTC to 8`242 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00086303 = 9.8817 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
assbot: Dropbox - defective bird 1.mp4
fluffypony: I paid someone on Fiverr to do a voiceover
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02116067 = 0.3174 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.02057647 = 0.3498 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0214 = 0.1498 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0202 = 0.1616 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: asciilifeform: he came to demonstrate mircea's "you can't stop bird flying onto"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0202 = 0.2424 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: and/or to drop some NSA stuff around your house, i guess
TomServo: asciilifeform: So you have a cat burrowing under your foundation and bird trying to fly through your window?
mike_c: this is what you get for moving out of the city
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 256 Last Price: 256 24h-Vol: 188k High: 256 Low: 185 VWAP: 224
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.021898 = 0.1095 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Argentina appoints new secretary of 'national thought' - Telegraph
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 173 @ 0.0202 = 3.4946 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Shotgun sized for spiders much not seem like such an excessive idea anymore...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02287487 = 0.183 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0202 = 0.1212 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 44 @ 0.0202 = 0.8888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.0234 = 0.5382 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0234 = 0.1872 BTC [-] {2}
TomServo: asciilifeform: What kind of bird is it?
gribble: pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 21 hours, 23 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <pigeons> pediwikia?
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: Shotgun sized for spiders much not seem like such an excessive idea anymore...
assbot: The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube
punkman: fluffypony: who did the voiceover? not bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34064 @ 0.00085857 = 29.2463 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: there's no indication of how much will be refunded
pankkake: not that anyone can really know how much was actually spent
pankkake: so the fucker is going to keep a nice profit for himself
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 380000 @ 0.00009001 = 34.2038 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: La Maison du Bitcoin hosts the first French bitcoin hackathon
sedeki: will i get voiced if i rejoin now automatically?
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot sedeki
jurov: you need to get into level 2 here
mike_c: what do you do sedeki?
sedeki: i'm a python/django programmer
mike_c: excellent choices. what do you work on?
jurov: heh.. and do you have some past references?
pankkake: so what do you think about masters and slaves?
jurov: just switch to turbogears. no such nonsense there :D
sedeki: that whole debate is just downside up
sedeki: jurov are you looking for a programmer?
jurov: sedeki, yes. but i'm picky
jurov: your work is super sikrit?
sedeki: i'd rather not disclose my full time job no
jurov: hm, i don't have good experiences with folks with fulltime jobs
jurov: they are even slower than me
sedeki: i have to make a living somehow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02943368 = 0.2943 BTC [-]
jurov: maybe i can throw live.coinbr.com your way and let's see.. nsa needs proper graphs
jurov: btcalpha still does not have mpif
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00085552 = 17.0676 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
assbot: F.MPIF Analysis - Btc Alpha
jurov: oh it was added sry
mike_c: btcalpha - our motto is: never more than two months late.
jurov: anyway i have some code ready for really live updates and ticker it but it needs to be deployed and generally taken care of
BingoBoingo: I guess I provide some a five minute warning on an announcement concerning the sitting on the hands matter
atcbot: 12k@270 25k@269 18k@256 | 3k@150 50k@143 175k@142
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 256 Last Price: 256 24h-Vol: 188k High: 256 Low: 185 VWAP: 224
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 172931.71 in 1949 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -75.83
jurov: brb gotta do groceries.. sedeki pm me if interested
BingoBoingo: Basically next month's ATC statement will be less boring than lasts. Still to early to say if it is for better or worse.
benkay: <bloctoc> !up blotoc // kek
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It is a market, not a democracy. If you want to vote to to the BitBet comments like everyone else.
bloctoc: benkay you laugh but it worked!
mircea_popescu: so i set up a new desktop system, works fine. i go to bed.
mircea_popescu: b) won't even turn off. ie, hold power down 5 seconds ? nada.
fluffypony: I find modern desktop hardware incredibly finicky and unreliable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0236 = 0.118 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I had Quantum Bigfoot TX 6gb drives that lasted like 8 years or something ridiculous
fluffypony: despite me experimenting to see if I could hot-swap an IDE drive
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sounds like you have to start posting girls to keep watch for gremlins while you sleep.
mircea_popescu: but for another thing, what sort of failure mode is this you tell me ?! fans spin, on both cpu and vid card, but monitor reports no signal and board ignores atx shutdown
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.01940015 = 0.2522 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: i mean what, the ite chip blew overnight out of loneliess ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile other board won't see any harddrives. because fuck you, who said a board should see hard drives ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.0190019 = 0.456 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone waiting for mpex deposits/withdrawals will have to wait till tomorrow. with my apologies.
mike_c: clearly the additional hardware installed on your motherboard during transit is having side effects
BingoBoingo: Or perhaps the desired effects, maybe some sort of "Annoyotron" is hooked up to a JTAG port.
pankkake: I've had that, it was some electrical problem - fans spinning and nothing else happening
pankkake: had to remove stuff until I found the culprint
pankkake: I don't remember wether it was a card or a hard drive
pankkake: I think I've had a hard drive block the boot, but it was even preventing the PSU from powering on
mircea_popescu: i even tried to attach the speaker, but it makes no sound
pankkake: some high end motherboards now have a status display - much easier to check for errors than beeps
mike_c: 20 year old dells have those too
pankkake: one of the reasons I keep plenty of spare hardware
fluffypony: the Intel Blue Hills boards in our experimental rigs have a little 2 character LCD display
BingoBoingo: "Several years ago, I came across a ranking of careers based on overall desirability. "President of the United States" was somewhere in the lower-middle of the pack, because it offers the most power and prestige, but also has the highest workplace fatality rate, terrible job security, brutal hours, and relatively low wages given what presidential-type people could earn on the open market."
jurov: o looky someone needs trusted hardware monkey too
pankkake: wait, is it beeeeep bip beeeeeep or beeeep beeeep beeeeep?!
mike_c: BingoBoingo: that's just the published wages though
chetty: mine did that long beep, resetting memory fixed it
mike_c: that means it's the NIC.
chetty: well I had silence too, before I hooked up the speaker for that
mike_c: silence = nic. beeeep bip beeep = memory. beeeeep beeeeep beeeeep = power supply
BingoBoingo: mike_c: You also have to consider the 18% workplace mortality rate...
mike_c: but it depends on the model of motherboard
mircea_popescu: mike_c, are you serious ?! who even cares if the on board lan card works ?!
mike_c: (and i'm just kidding)
jurov: BingoBoingo: today the potus was in normandy on 70th anniversary, with putin, merkel, queen elizabeth and everyone, live tv.. i thought it would be the best setup for alien strike, but sadly nothing such happened
mike_c: BingoBoingo: plus it's gotta take significant years off your life even if it doesn't kill you in office.
BingoBoingo: jurov: Why would the Aliens strike the Queen, she's one of theirs...
jurov: i'd think there's agreement against top honchos of earth to be in one place
jurov: but then, mircea is safe in BA
mircea_popescu: im fucking unsafe, aparently someone's burning obscure bits off my hardware with a magical death ray
assbot: Military Color Guard Assigned to March in Gay Pride Parade
pankkake: actually I remember a bug with NICs, where you had to unplug the computer for a few minutes to fix it (because it would force firmware reloading)
pankkake: and by unplug I mean really unplug, as the PSU would be still feeding the motherboard
danielpbarron: <+mircea_popescu> who the fuck ever heard of this. << I had a similar experience with the old hardware that's been collecting dust in my room for the last 10 years
fluffypony: danielpbarron: you may need to get your room cleaned more often
mircea_popescu: did danielpbarron just get sent upstairs to clean his room ?
danielpbarron: i saved all the old machines i've used over the years, and recently started gutting them for parts to build a full node; glad I didn't throw all that stuff out
assbot: Confession of a Degenerate
mike_c: well, at least the money ended up in mpif.
BingoBoingo: "Suddenly everything I had been planning, all of what I was working towards, All of the investment I had sworn to use for good..
BingoBoingo: It crashed.. I went from 24 BTC down to 10 before I even stopped hitting the "lo" key on my martingale.
BingoBoingo: My heart sunk in my chest and I felt an unexplainable/unbearable pressure in my chest.
BingoBoingo: It was at that moment I realized that I had fucked over not only my investors, but myself and my reputation.
BingoBoingo: Frantically I began betting with the 10 BTC... Trying to recoup the loses I had just endured..
BingoBoingo: This was all in vain however, I watched my balance drop like a stone in a pond.. I remember as the balance hit zero..
BingoBoingo: My feeble attempts to recover the BTC were met with tears shortly after it sunk in what I had just done.
BingoBoingo: The feeling was worse than anything you could possibly imagine.. Akin to losing a family member or worse." -MrKlye
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.35662385 BTC; +3.01016512 BTC (+1.7988%) since last check 2d 17h 37m 39s ago.
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 18377 BTC profit, 42.5k BTC invested, 1230.98 mio bets, 5.28 mio BTC wagered
jurov: one should do it like rg did.. martingaled satoshidice for lunch
jurov: then either asked someone to order it for him or was left hungry
fluffypony: what in fuck is wrong with these people
mircea_popescu: "This is a massive set back, which is entirely my fault.
mircea_popescu: I will continue to try to try and develop Klyemax and get revenue streams flowing.
fluffypony: "Most of which were used to purchase miners or cashed out and spent on drinks and VLT gambling at a local pub where I was attempting to get the waitresses to come work for me."
fluffypony: hey baby, baby, you want to be famous?
kakobrekla: "yo bitch! wanna make some motherfuckin'* money ? " *virtual
BingoBoingo: I swear the most useful side effect of recommending a 6 month reading and waiting period is to sort out the fucking Dice addicts.
kakobrekla: in the spirit of previous killing babies convo, you should send newbs directly to just-dice and see who comes out alive
kakobrekla: also raise the mpif stake inthere meantime.
fluffypony: I tried gambling when I was younger - read a bunch of books on playing Blackjack, played a whole lot of games against the computer, and then went to the casino with my $300
mike_c: srsly though, mpif nav is about to bust through the asks on the order book.
fluffypony: managed to win a few hands and build that up to $600, was super proud of myself
fluffypony: and as I sat at the table I was like "what in actual fuck. this is such a scam"
assbot: Klyemax Studios Official (Cock) Tattoo (NSFW)
mike_c: thank you assbot, for keeping me from clicking that link.
mircea_popescu: this klye thing is too good, i guess ima make an adnotated version.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: You miss the point of casino blackjack
Apocalyptic: hum, so clueless wannabe investor's pool hasn't dried up yet
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: The point of casino blackjack is to try to lose less money while getting the complimentary drinks that you would have spent on the drinks.
fluffypony: I kept not having drinks because I was worried I wouldn't be able to concentrate
mike_c: it has been scientifically proven that people believe they play better when tipsy. so drink up.
Mats_cd03: blackjack is predicated on your teammates not being fucking dumb
BingoBoingo: Seriously just buy ~$1000 in chips to just sit in front of you and play with a $100 bankroll from that pile. And watch the drinks come in.
mike_c: this guy is canadien, right? why do all these idiots sound like yoda? "Terribly saddened I am by what has gone on."
mike_c: omg. this was FOUR HOURS before the confession:
assbot: Pictures of your mining rigs!
BingoBoingo: Anyone else remember the KingofSPorts lolcow who got 1BTC from dooglus for writing a confessional about his gambling everything all the time and landing in rehab?
fluffypony: what is this obsession with buying mining equipment
mircea_popescu: "well i have a lots of tattoo the wings is spreading all over my chest and make it more bigger than the actual size and its very painful specialy when the needles hit my upper cleavage all the way down to the half of my boobs "
benkay: "recuperate the funds"
fluffypony: dooglus is going to have to remove his positive trust rating, lol
mircea_popescu: "To all investors, I sincerely appologize for misusing the funds you have trusted me with.
mircea_popescu: It was never my intention to use the funds as I did, I had plans and budgets developed for them."
mircea_popescu: halmark of the forum ceo : does thinks he had no intention of doing.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 173891.58 in 1948 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -75.69
mircea_popescu: As stated before I will continue to pay out dividends to all invested. Thoughts of suicide have crossed my mind more than a few times in the past week but I am unable to leave my investors high and dry due to my lack of control."
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 651.19, Best ask: 652.75, Bid-ask spread: 1.56000, Last trade: 652.75, 24 hour volume: 6294.08765735, 24 hour low: 647.86, 24 hour high: 664.97, 24 hour vwap: 658.892216932
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 256 Last Price: 150 24h-Vol: 191k High: 256 Low: 150 VWAP: 223
assbot: Army Vet Claims Scam After Ferrari Impounded For Not Being U.S. Spec
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 650.94, Best ask: 653.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.06000, Last trade: 650.94, 24 hour volume: 6351.61154980, 24 hour low: 647.86, 24 hour high: 664.97, 24 hour vwap: 658.892216932
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 BTC (Total: 433.94 BTC)
assbot: Xanadu Software Released After 54 Years In the Making - Slashdot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9145 @ 0.000857 = 7.8373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (4601 shares, 1.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02343695 = 0.1641 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ;;calc [!mpif --nav] - [!ticker m FMPIF --last]
gribble: Error: "!mpif" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: ;;calc (- [!mpif --nav] [!ticker m FMPIF --last])
gribble: Error: "!mpif" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 330 @ 0.07493866 = 24.7298 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00085651 = 16.7019 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is it possible your flying problem beast suspects the transformer is either a buffet, or porn?
mike_c: oh, interesting. animal kingdom becomes interested after sola arrives.
mike_c: must be humming at the right frequency.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 9879 @ 0.00013 = 1.2843 BTC [-]
assbot: Twitter / nowthisnews: For the first time in history ...
assbot: We can neither confirm nor deny that this is our first tweet.
mike_c: that is actually funny.
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.36972219 BTC; +0.01309834 BTC (+0.0077%) since last check 1h 25m 54s ago.
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 BTC (Total: 433.95 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (4601 shares, 1.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00047 / 0.00047388 / 0.000481 (5148 shares, 2.44 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00049732 / 0.000525 (55856 shares, 27.78 BTC)
mike_c: i don't know what OneFixt is, but thanks!
FabianB: a technical trader in -analysis
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0730004 = 0.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11993 @ 0.000857 = 10.278 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22050101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.220501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0234 = 0.234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0749799 = 0.4499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00085873 = 10.2618 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: All that glitters: businessman 'who bought HK$270m of gold' ends up with metal bars | South China Morning Post
mike_c: they didn't even get metal bars
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00085944 = 3.6956 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2595 BTC [+]
FabianB: anyone understands the mechanics behind fiat banks parking big integers at the ecb and why they would pay a fee for it? is storing these integers in their own systems more expensive?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 162.69600384 BTC to 77`492 shares, 209952 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: FabianB, because in order for fractional reserve to work, banks have to have some fractoion deposited with central bank.
mircea_popescu: they eat a -.1% on 20% so they may make 8% pon 80% or w/e it is they make
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0730007 = 0.73 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: (that's a summary. the reality is more complex but not substantially different)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 5000 @ 0.00029106 = 1.4553 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: sadly i lack a cutter shop in this part of the world, so we'll never know if mike_c had it and the mobos had stuff added.
FabianB: makes sense to eat a loss for the smaller part, gotta think about it why fractional reserve is needed when you have too much capital anyway
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 BTC (Total: 433.95 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07459067 = 0.7459 BTC [+] {3}
FabianB: i mean i used the wrong word
FabianB: they store their excess liquidity at the ecb
jurov: how's that? they bought shitty bonds for 3.5trn?
mike_c: no one told them that triple A mortgage bonds were worthless.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0744999 = 0.447 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07460095 = 0.5222 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: the chines ehave found the cheapest allow that's still "metal"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0745 = 0.149 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the guts of current pc cases are so soft they bend more than pcbs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0745 = 0.149 BTC [-]
mike_c: ;;calc (1 / 2000000) + 0.00021697
assbot: UBER UBER ALLES: Investors value ride app at $17 BEEELLION The Register
fluffypony: PS. I'm valuing my next company at $1 billion despite it having accomplished very little and/or nothing
mike_c: uber has done more than most. getting operations in place in so many cities/countries is not trivial.
mike_c: they have to fight the taxi commission everywhere they go
BingoBoingo: Beyond that Uber just seems to have an App
mike_c: you don't think they have their own staff all over the place?
BingoBoingo: Most of Uber though is simply outsourcing to existing operators.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00007351 = 0.147 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00085864 = 19.4911 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: are you fking kidding me. halep in the finals??
Apocalyptic: It reminded me of mircea when I heard the news
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.073 = 0.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0745 = 0.5215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00007351 = 0.1103 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> you don't think they have their own staff all over the place? << perhaps you grossly overestimate what that's worth.
mike_c: not what it's worth, i was just saying they've put in more work than most.
mircea_popescu: but you know, coca-cola (100bn in assets or so) has... factories all over the place.
mike_c: clearly you have staff in france.. top 3 seeds out at garros?? halep in the finals??
mircea_popescu: and that does mean everywhere, turkmenistan and ghana are equally covered
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.07242624 = 1.9555 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: here's a true story. when i was in hs they had a sort of homecoming thing, picking teh prettiest chick at the party. as a personal favour, tehy were going to proclaim the chick i went with miss our highschool.
mike_c: yeah. but uber has some possibilities because they aren't fucking sharing photos. they are selling taxi rides.
mike_c: my wife was miss-her-high-school.
mike_c: just sayin.. i married up.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07100001 = 0.781 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: yeah, another 20 years and she will be the lucky one :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07233393 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: by the way, this fking halep thing exposes another great money maker. Bettors clearly undervalue low probability events.
mike_c: not one person other than mp bet on halep.
mircea_popescu: a woman willing to part with a juicy set of hooters just to play tennis well probably will train harder than your average.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26088709 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5427 @ 0.00086131 = 4.6743 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14953 @ 0.00085744 = 12.8213 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: re uber: it's the perfect way to roll out a robo-fleet
other_mp: hm, so you can actually have multiple accounts id'dasthesame gpg id ?!
other_mp: asciilifeform nah, cpu fan carried on
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'other_mp', with hostmask 'other_mp!~Mircea@190.172.18.16', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~satoshi@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 12.01217590 BTC to 29`438 shares, 40805 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 261 @ 0.00300101 = 0.7833 BTC [-] {3}
other_mp: so from my local newspaper (which helpfully includes three pages of stock and equity listings, you should see these things) :
other_mp: cayeron 2% las escrituraciones de abril.
other_mp: las operaciones de compraventa de inmuebles durante abril en la ciudad de buenos aires alcanzaron las 2681 operaciones por un monto de $2000 miliones
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07299714 = 0.876 BTC [+] {2}
other_mp: en la comparacion interanual, las escrituras se redujeron 2.1% y de acuerdo al colegio de escribanos, la cantidad total aumeno un 20.6% respecto del mes anterior que registro 2223
other_mp: basically, they had 2.5k building sales in april for an average value per building of
other_mp: what does the esteemed chan think, mike_c, fluffypony, los_pantalones : am i fucking insane to contemplate a ba real estate investment vehicle for btc ?
mike_c: i don't speak spanish, but i doubt that said "10x in a year"
other_mp: for that matter, btc was 1.2k in jan
mike_c: btc actually was 50 bux in 2013
mike_c: last time it was 50 was mid-march 2013
benkay: residential, other_mp ?
other_mp: i don't know enough about the market to even guess.
other_mp: more interested to settle theprinciple first, then maybe more canbe squeezed from such optimisations
mike_c: to put this in perspective. it's August 2013. price is $100. "the price was $240 in april, hasn't moved in months"
benkay: my intel suggests that residential is not a good play. not enough buyers to support the market, too much inventory to support rents at a rate that accomodates inflation, plus buyers favor newer properties over anything else
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0730007 = 0.146 BTC [+]
benkay: there is the thing called buying the hole, where you buy a building or some fraction thereof during/prior to construction for some 30% discount. whether or not the position is liquidatable later, i cannot speak to.
benkay: commercial otoh rents for acceptable rates/
other_mp: benkay you can generally get about 1 dollar / sqft out of tourists/foreigners from what i see.
other_mp: it doesn't cost you 20 dollars/sqft to acquirethe space.
other_mp: i intend to import as many sane people as possible.
other_mp: mike_c very hard to argue with that.
benkay: not that i'm terribly sane, but i'm working on it
other_mp: you should see the jewish section btw.
benkay: expropriation happens with oil deposits in ars, from what i've heard.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0730008 = 0.146 BTC [+]
other_mp: mike_c especially cxonsideringthe sinergies involved. a successful plata valley would by and of itself drive up btc price, hurting the very thing that made it possible
mike_c: kinda like using btc to develop quantum computers that destroy btc
mike_c: what, you got too much time on your hands?
other_mp: theory being that the real estate problems of san francisco today result from poor historical management
other_mp: perhaps had the whole thing been managed by a corp into which the inerested parties could buy interest
other_mp: trying to explore this theory.
benkay: envisioning a walled compound in bsas?
other_mp: it's unsanitary for you to not be periodically raped.
benkay: thinking about previous comments re nazis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00085514 = 5.3874 BTC [-]
other_mp: mike_c does it sound any saner now ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0730009 = 0.511 BTC [+]
benkay: brains a little fried from an afternoon of porking and lifting
mike_c: but it's still an expense, not an investment
other_mp: mike_c if the expense saves 2x the expense for 100 different peopel
other_mp: then the word for that expense is investment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.072 = 0.72 BTC [-]
mike_c: right, but if that money could have grown 10x instead of 2x..
mike_c: it's a fiat investment, not a btc investment
other_mp: yes dude but we can't plant all farmland with pot.
mike_c: that's fine, but don't tel me that growing corn instead of pot is an investment
mike_c: it may be an appropriate expense, but still an expense.
mike_c: 40b assets + 23b liabilities, but still, that's impressive.
mike_c: oh, nevermind. 1.3 bn in income.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0721021 = 0.3605 BTC [-]
other_mp: but are they investments or are they expenses.
mike_c: lots of investments in the world. t-bills are an investment.
mike_c: i wouldn't sink any btc into them
mike_c: I used to think bitbet was an investment until halep pranced her way into the finals.
BingoBoingo: ADM basically runs on the Uber model, little actual infrastructure (a few hub) and a lot of subcontractors.
other_mp: a lot of those big bn figures are various consolidations
BingoBoingo has seen the ADM elevators on the Mississippi coast of Western IL
BingoBoingo: ADM is basically a bank whose currency is grain
other_mp: mike_c sometimes i suspect your investment philosophy is roughly the equivalent of the kid that'll only eat cake.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.2696768 = 2.6968 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.2940617 = 8.5278 BTC [+] {12}
mike_c: if you have identified a small set of awesome investments, why would you put money in something else that is worse?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26092857 BTC [-]
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021705 BTC (Total: 434.12 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
assbot: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07210555 = 0.7211 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.02382848 = 0.3336 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: well, because if there isn't a universe available and everyone rides on thesame pole we'll sink.
mircea_popescu: consider : if only the things that you'd invest in existed, what would you do for food ?
mike_c: there is a universe available. some people buy t-bills.
mike_c: and some people buy RENT
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00379000 / 0.00384114 / 0.00449999 (205 shares, 0.78743415 BTC), 7D: 0.00280000 / 0.00375268 / 0.00470000 (1999 shares, 7.50160646 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00538448 / 0.00710000 (6959 shares, 37.47058930 BTC)
gribble: Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
mike_c: all I'm saying, is that if you create a BA REIT, it will decline in BTC value over the next couple years.
mike_c: and i'd be happy to bitbet back that opinion up :)
mike_c: thestringpuller: i've looked into some. but it's hard to find any worth reviewing.
mircea_popescu: mike_c couple of years is no concern, i don't see how one could fit all the required research in one year.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: when would you make the first purchase?
mike_c: hard to say then.. would need crystal ball.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0281025 = 0.1124 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: but my guess is it wouldn't change
mike_c: what is BTC stabilization point? when do we get there? I don't think 2016
mike_c: obviously $8bn is a joke. it can't stay there.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 648.83, Best ask: 653.26, Bid-ask spread: 4.43000, Last trade: 648.7, 24 hour volume: 6528.19016546, 24 hour low: 647.21, 24 hour high: 664.5, 24 hour vwap: 0
benkay: is there a gribble command to get issued coins?
mircea_popescu: "it was only sometime between 1910 and 1912 ...that a random patient, with a random disease, consulting a doctor chosen at random, had, for the first time in the history of mankind, a better than 50-50 chance of profiting from the encounter."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 108 @ 0.00187577 = 0.2026 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0744998 = 0.5215 BTC [+]
mike_c: ;;calc 12864025 * [ticker --last]
mike_c: ;;calc 35274*170000*1200
mike_c: that's how much all the gold is worth
benkay: mike_c: where'd you get 12864025?
mike_c: so you say $2 trillion, gold is worth $7 trillion, so let's say btc is going to be worth $1 trillion
mike_c: ;;calc 20000000 / 1e12
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
gribble: Error: "totalbtc" is not a valid command.
mike_c: so wtf is that.. $50k btc price?
mike_c: won't be there by 2016 i don't think.
gribble: Current Blocks: 304564 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1867 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 3 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11627917352.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.09415
mike_c: maybe, but maybe the last 10x takes a bit longer. hence crystal ball.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07256041 = 0.653 BTC [-]
mike_c: plus, $50k is 1 trillion. could end up at 2t, or 5t
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, stabilisation is prolly between 100k and 1mn
mircea_popescu: or, amusingly, at the point where 1 inmueble goes for 1 btc
mike_c: at that point, i will invest in the REIT :)
BingoBoingo: Did the cat reveal any odd configurations in the flybeast?
mircea_popescu: "60 Religion Protects You From Bad Science --Medicine, Expert Problems, and the Rationality of Temples" quoth taleb.
mike_c: thestringpuller: there are safer ways to invest in bitcoin difficulty besides mining companies. like x.idiff. way less chance of scam.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i do believe that' ssound, too. by making people deaf to arguments, religion makes people deaf to bad arguments
mircea_popescu: which explains why burka wearing islamic women are not nearly as annoying as reddit dwelling us women.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00253949 = 0.2666 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I guess feline disassembly and analysis isn't warranted until it catches another defective flybeast...
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
benkay: bitbet's also a good way to make money on mining without ever touching miners
benkay: just lay odds on diff bets as soon as they appear
benkay goes off to update his oddsheet
mike_c: asciilifeform: lol. you need to stitch that as the last frame of your earlier video :)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably ought to leave it some incentives to continue its air defence mission.
mircea_popescu: not a s proficient as a hound that smelled a rat, but still
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27988 @ 0.00085423 = 23.9082 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: ive never seen a cat tunnel, but i also havent been around many outdoor cats
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8021 @ 0.00085467 = 6.8553 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: who are you, handsomesally ?
handsomesally: calvinism is the only way that makes sense in the way of salvation
mircea_popescu: it is better to be stupid and appear stupid than to be stupid and appear a ceo.
handsomesally: thats a lie, John 3:16 greek is kosmos and it dosent mean everyone
handsomesally: so in So the Pharisees said to one another, "You see that you are not doing any good; look, the world has gone after Him." John 12:19 everyone in the world went after him?
handsomesally: or For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” John 6:33
handsomesally: Jesus gives life to the world? everyone? if that is everyone in the world then everyone goes to heaven but that is not true
mircea_popescu: the line where life is a divine gift has plenty of exploratory history, not liable to end up tripping.
handsomesally: Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house. I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels. Hosea 9:15
gribble: Nick 'handsomesally', with hostmask 'handsomesally!~handsomes@73.186.45.139', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: punkman moar like sa trying to pick a fight with danielpbarron and or luke
assbot: Select Sermons - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00085361 = 10.1153 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.275 = 0.55 BTC [+]
punkman: handsomesally: so you are into calvinism?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.273 = 0.546 BTC [-]
handsomesally: i dont go to any churches in my area they all preach "god loves you soooo much" when in reality he dosent love everyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00085322 = 10.6226 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: handsomesally: Did danielpbarron refer you here?
BingoBoingo: handsomesally: He also follows a peculiar form of Xtianity
handsomesally: but you need to repent, god will send you to hell if you dont repent from your athiesm(although you cant unless he opens your heart)
benkay: you two are unsaveable.
BingoBoingo: I thought the point was Calvinists were already saved
benkay: handsomesally: if i'm talking to you, you'll know.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0741998 = 1.484 BTC [+]
handsomesally: the reason why people abhor calvinism is because it stresses predestination which it does
assbot: Have you got any tobacco?
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
benkay: spelling and grammar: irrelevant concerns for the religious.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0741999 = 0.6678 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: just the old sky faerie, eh?
assbot: 1 timothy 2:3-7 NKJV - For this is good and acceptable in the - Bible Gateway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07424 = 0.3712 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: what have you done BingoBoingo
punkman: #bitcoin-bible-study-group
mike_c: kakobrekla: now that idiff's are relevant, would it be hard to add to add !t m support?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07487378 = 2.1713 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: plot twist: #bitcoin-bible-study-group is about trilema
handsomesally: so your saying jesus died for everyone and everyone goes to heaven
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07498998 = 1.1998 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: handsomesally: Who said Jesus was dead, I was cutting some lawns with him this morning...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.075 = 4.05 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo follows an aschetic works based aetherism...
kakobrekla: mike_c the problem is not assbot, the problem is mpex
danielpbarron: <+handsomesally> thats a lie, John 3:16 greek is kosmos and it dosent mean everyone << This is a lie. Romans 3:6 uses this same term, and it speaks of God judging the world in the future. It is undeniably clear God is going to judge "every individual of mankind who has ever lived" (Psalm 9:8; 96:13; 98:9; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 1 Peter 4:17).
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu you are missing diffs on mpex-vwap.php
mike_c: thestringpuller: there is. couple hundred btc have been sold this period at least
handsomesally: danielpbarron: so you pull a verse out of context huh, John 6:33 says "For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”" so saying John 3:16 equals god loves everyone means jesus gives life everyone to the world which is a lie as not everyone is saved moreover god dosent love everyone hosea 9:15 refutes that
danielpbarron: <+handsomesally> so in So the Pharisees said to one another, "You see that you are not doing any good; look, the world has gone after Him." John 12:19 everyone in the world went after him? << the key words here might be, "the Pharisees said"
benkay: now, about those idiffs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02808 = 0.2808 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, there's an argument over greek nao, that's a change from the usual kinds of language wars
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 116 @ 0.02341497 = 2.7161 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.01978915 = 0.1781 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: lolya rly interdasted in heady theology from people who can't figure out "your" vs "you're".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2640 @ 0.00007294 = 0.1926 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 211 @ 0.00177456 = 0.3744 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 596 @ 0.00016823 = 0.1003 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 727 @ 0.00016306 = 0.1185 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0732497 = 1.6115 BTC [-] {7}