assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.002125 = 0.2061 BTC [+]
[8]: does havelock have an actice IRC?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.15040133 = 2.4064 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.40861633 = 1.2258 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00369984 = 0.777 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.409849 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0036999 = 0.148 BTC [+]
dub: dude is a fucking retard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.38133333 = 1.144 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00352642 = 0.134 BTC [-] {8}
ozbot: Sexiest Twerk Choreography... Ever?
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 936.45263, Best ask: 942.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.54737, Last trade: 936.45263, 24 hour volume: 32945.59376249, 24 hour low: 826.123, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 904.23405
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 166 @ 0.00350001 = 0.581 BTC [-] {5}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 936.001, Best ask: 939.9999, Bid-ask spread: 3.99890, Last trade: 940.0, 24 hour volume: 33022.71606789, 24 hour low: 826.123, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 904.55003
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 721 @ 0.00017586 = 0.1268 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.03658999 = 0.3659 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 3 @ 0.034501 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4070 @ 0.00008 = 0.3256 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.03500285 = 0.245 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.035 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 152 @ 0.00196399 = 0.2985 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 964.51001, Best ask: 974.995, Bid-ask spread: 10.48499, Last trade: 964.51001, 24 hour volume: 32131.71552694, 24 hour low: 845.60001, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 913.82817
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.001964 = 0.1925 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 255 @ 0.001964 = 0.5008 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6440 @ 0.00080848 = 5.2066 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.000829 = 2.3212 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.373275 = 2.9862 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.0904 = 0.2712 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 175 @ 0.00350005 = 0.6125 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.0904 = 0.6328 BTC [-]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 971.1, Best ask: 971.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 971.1, 24 hour volume: 30916.56976100, 24 hour low: 852.65257, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 920.05895
gribble: A market order to sell 195000 bitcoins right now would net 37963764.0679 USD and would take the last price down to 3.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 194.6860 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 4.8101 seconds
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: hark
Venat: won poker yesterday
BingoBoingo: For the drama I'm partial to Fisher during his decline
truffles: i recall now, its playing in a country US had sanctioned
BingoBoingo: truffles: I'm not sure what caused Fischer's downward turn. Maybe it was a mental health issue. Maybe it was a crafty way to technically never lose the championship by appearing batshit crazy
truffles: it mustve started in the 60's when he found religion..
truffles: forgot about the antisemiticism..
dexX7: TAT_Investments: you're around?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.03303003 = 0.1321 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
pankkake: thankfully I don't have much neobee…
dexX7: that's why i was looking for tat hehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.03300006 = 0.429 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00350006 = 0.329 BTC [+]
truffles: didnt they just start up, now they cant pay??
pankkake: but why would neobee do anything to help?
BingoBoingo: Oh, shit! This is looking just like last fall and winter!
BingoBoingo: If the NeoBee guy didn't refer to Ukyo as Jon I'd think he was refering to Oliver/Usagi
mircea_popescu: if i hadn't told the guy to be careful who he mixes up with, it'd be one thing ;/
truffles: theyve got some nice features etc
truffles: im going off the list here lol
BingoBoingo: Last year there was just one GLBSE. This year there was BTC-TC and Buttfunder. The big question is the growth rate of fail exchanges additive and we get to watch 3 die or is it going to be exponential and 4 die?
pankkake: I haven't looked at whac crypto-trade is doing
pankkake: but btcinvest is not going to end well
BingoBoingo: pankkake: btcinvest was TradeFortress so that is already beyond fucked
BingoBoingo: truffles: Check the minimum order quantity
pankkake: BingoBoingo: hmm no the other one. btcinve.com
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo look on the bright side : the sinking of glbse meant ~5k off the hands of innocent investors btc gone-gone
mircea_popescu: btctc + weex dissolved maybe 1-2k of actual investors funds, not counting what paper worth of related parties was sunk.
mircea_popescu: there will probably be more than 8 "exchanges" gone in 2014,
mircea_popescu: one's an exponential going up, the other however's an exponential going down.
truffles: why jump to conclusions so fast, its only been a week?
mircea_popescu: by 2020 we will have 10 exchanges fold up each week, for a total loss of fiddy satoshi.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I find all of these failings beneficial to me. The mere existence of GLBSE and Pirateat40 did how much to artificially suppress BTC against fiat in 2012?
mircea_popescu: who's to know exactly. the guy did get publicly humiliated when he tried to "manipulate" the exchange rate.
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000
ozbot: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
ozbot: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading
mircea_popescu: what's "Rewritable Options Trading" supposed to mean anyway
jurov`: their options were rewritable somehow.. dunno what it means, never actually used them due to exorbitant fees
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 279 @ 0.00210821 = 0.5882 BTC [-] {2}
truffles: ", start working on the BTC securities trade system of the future without ever having worked for MPEx, without having humbly presented your inept ideas to the most grandiose master Mircea Popescu" such jems
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3801 BTC [+]
Venat: does Opera 18 have no turbo mode anymore
Venat: i am watching you on the forums
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0904 = 0.3616 BTC [-]
Venat: whats up with tradefortress
Venat: is he a scammer now or a victim
BingoBoingo: Venat: You see that is a very Bitcoin problem. Because he can't pay everyone back he is a scammer whether he was actually hacked or if he is simply stealing the coins himself.
BingoBoingo: Venat: He could be both scammer and victim
pankkake: some scammers try to paint themselves as incompetent (labcoin)
pankkake: realsolid, interestingly, is very competent
pankkake: he could probably run successful businesses honestly
Venat: he claimed to have most of the funds in cold storage
Venat: thats the thing that itches me the most
Venat: tho i didnt use inputs.io (gladly)
pankkake: yeah, that's either a lie, or incompetence
pankkake: I did use it for short period of times… but always treated it as something I could lose
pankkake: the link to coinlenders was the most bothering
BingoBoingo: In the most flattering case TradeFortress was a victim of his own hubris keeping that kind of coin on a server
Venat: but what was the benefit of putting your money in input.io
Venat: and wasnt coinlenders something like btcjam?
BingoBoingo: RealSolid doesn't strike me as particularly competent pankkake
mircea_popescu: there is a huge difference between being competent and working well.
mircea_popescu: let me demonstrate this : i am a well working random number generator now. here are some random numbers :
mircea_popescu: 932611793105118548074462379962749567351885752724891227938183011949129833673362440656643086021394946395224737190702179860943702770539217176293176752384674818467669405132000568127145263560
BingoBoingo: I mean real Solid claims to have written McxNow in C++, but that might only be because his only programming experience is forking the Bitcoin client which is in C++
mircea_popescu: Venat it was btcjam with only one borrower (ther owner)
mircea_popescu: so it's the same thing, except rather than guaranteed monthly bleed you get guaranteed ragnarok.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.00210899 = 0.4787 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 969.70504, Best ask: 977.79524, Bid-ask spread: 8.09020, Last trade: 969.70504, 24 hour volume: 30132.87529663, 24 hour low: 856.0, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 924.57275
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.03300009 = 0.429 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0904 = 0.3616 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2533 @ 0.00082913 = 2.1002 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: It working and you being competent pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
markedathome: mircea_popescu: shouldn't the bitbet litecoin above 20usd be closed?
markedathome: around 9-10hrs ago, stands at around 20.85 now, hit 22.7999
mircea_popescu: i'm sure mods will close it as soon as they get to it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37111 = 0.7422 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Nicely put mircea_popescu, I wonder how many times the US (and apparently nao French) educational system's products are going to have you essentially repeat it again until the Republic of Bitcoin replaces them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37111 BTC [-]
pankkake: I left a comment but it doesn't appear
mircea_popescu: pankkake hmm i don't see it, but i just futzed with the comment thing
pankkake: that's why I asked :) something weird happened
pankkake: "Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you've already said that!"
pankkake: "Sorry, we only accept comments sent by actual human beings." when I alter it
Venat: I never get mentioned
pankkake: Venat: it's actually quite easy, just stay stupid stuff all day
pankkake: though the SSW article doesn't mention me
ozbot: Can anyone donate me 50 - 60 Bitcoins?
Venat: sorry for double post
Venat: sorry for double post
mircea_popescu: alter it slightly, and wait like 5 seconds on the page before clicking submit
mircea_popescu: (if you post too soon the script figures hi there spambot)
pankkake: when I used Spam Karma it had that feature. but spambots learned. at least the good ones
Venat: I will try to contrain myself then.
Venat: Yakuza699. I lolled
pankkake: usually when it's waiting for moderation, wp shows it to you anyway
pankkake: perhaps when you get to spam once you always get into it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00210899 = 0.2109 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3400 @ 0.00008879 = 0.3019 BTC [+]
pankkake: subscribers should probably not even be in the spam filter
pankkake: yeah, tried same IP, but another mail, and it shows me the comment
gribble: ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio: pm
ozbot: The Unofficial Q&A - Pastebin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: I think the info squeezed out so far is because Ukyo reall thought the "real" announcement would be ready yesterday, but there are details that need more time to sort. I prefer whole, complete announcements, but I'm guessing Ukyo couldn't go longer without *something* being shared.
ThickAsThieves: Don't bother asking me any substantive questions about it that aren't already answered. Like I said, I want the whole thing to be clearly announced, to shareholders first, when ready.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so the way it works : any user can link to trilema articles without impediment.
mircea_popescu: outside links put whitelisted users into approve queue, and unwhitelisted users into spam queue.
mircea_popescu: otherwise whitelisted users go to published directly ; unwhitelisted users go into approve queue.
ozbot: BitBet Scammed me for 10 BTC (properly formatted)
ozbot: BitBet - Litecoin (LTC) to rise above 20USD each before Dec 25th
pankkake: and people who send after the fact, yet again!
markedathome: I am slightly confused, does the bet start from the issue of the address or when a bet is confirmed on the blockchain
markedathome: I was one of the refunded bets, I hadn't noticed it had gone over because I was banging my head having to export and reimport keys and get updated balances. At least I haven't lost it
markedathome: it was to do with not having used electrum for a long time, the wallet was out of sync.
pankkake: I thought Electrum didn't need to sync?
markedathome: and because of the pruning it was a complete pain
markedathome: it doesn't but I kept syncing with a <10,000 servers which is only 70 days of tx
markedathome: not to mention the wallet is a glorified single stream. FFS who uses json as a database storage mechanism on disk when wallets get above 10-20MB
ozbot: NSA spied on porn habits of Muslim 'radicalizers' in effort to discredit them | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: ' "DROPPING THE TRUTH" ON SUSPECTS IS MORE HUMANE THAN DROPPING A BOMB '
markedathome: about as good as david cameron's "well you will have an embarassing conversation with your wife"
pankkake: no details about what the porn was? :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 16434 @ 0.00008846 = 1.4538 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00203499 = 0.2035 BTC [-]
markedathome: mircea_popescu: I have my raspberry pi mining and earning 0.00027ltc a day, it was 0.0002ltc, but I recompiled to a poolers 2.3x source
mircea_popescu: the "here" came before the "ltc" in the sentence because i order by importance.
mircea_popescu: markedathome ideally someone with 5-6 digits of the stuff.
markedathome: isn't chaang-noi something to do with litecoin?
mircea_popescu: for another instance, there are the people who aren't clean, and would like to represent everything as "shades of grey"
mircea_popescu: because they feel that their mistakes which rendered them gray are unfair and "nobody could have foreseen"
mircea_popescu: while this interest is understandable, it also is exactly how they ceased being white.
truffles: only perfect humans go mistakeless
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> for instance, there are the people who are clean. --- so we're not all sinners in the eyes of the lord?
kakobrekla: but the lord only sees what you type in irc!
kakobrekla: maybe, i also like "fuck off nsa. ~ nsa"
markedathome: so having been away from sometime what happened in the saga of pirate pass throughs with patrick/kluge etc?
truffles: wouldnt it be cool if there was a like a concent pool of people who are ok with being watched?
kakobrekla: and welcome back markedathome, i remember you from somewhere
truffles: there was too much spam i bailed
ThickAsThieves: in this world of pots and kettles, most are indeed filled with spam
kakobrekla: where you the guy who smickles or someone else asked to do something and then parted upon agreement just to never be seen again
truffles: i should try spame someday, it surely cant be that bad
markedathome: I had thought I'd told him I was having bitcoin-qt problems at the time, but can't find it in the logs.
markedathome: I also offered to return the btc when I got back on in september. it was mcorlett
markedathome: I can find logs of me having problems with bitcoin-qt in other channels, just not those directly related to telling him of the problem.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla iirc he's one of the guys working on that early ripple thing, with fellowtravellert and dace
markedathome: and I am having complete brainfade - it was last year (mar-apr 2012)
mircea_popescu: Apr 21 23:00:13 <mcorlett> markedathome: What's with the nicknames?
mircea_popescu: Apr 21 23:01:23 <markedathome> for some reason i got blasted off, and i don't have a secondary nick (which i'll correct soon enough)
truffles: so kako why dont u have webcam hmmm
truffles: it just didnt come with my pc :)
markedathome: mircea_popescu: ripple thing? are you talking about me?
markedathome: well fellowtraveller was open-transaction? the distributed exchange system. I didn't have anything to do with it
truffles: u r being suspected of something, why wont they say what!
markedathome: nope - the only other thing i can think of was jurov's site
mircea_popescu: aite, i can't find a reference. i guess you probably answered q's about it at some point or w/e and ended up associated in my mind.
markedathome: also did some ui suggestions/testing on glbse 2 when it was in beta before going live.
markedathome: possibly - at the time there was the big thing with different exchanges, glbse was still in that crap blue interface before it was RoR'd and bootstrapped.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.03305 = 0.1322 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 961.34, Best ask: 962.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.66000, Last trade: 961.34, 24 hour volume: 29757.25793072, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 931.12442
Venat: For I have returned
truffles: so what did u buy with the 35bucks
Venat: didn't withdraw yet
Venat: Next casino is like 30 minutes away
Venat: besides, I was in there once with family, doing slotmachines
Venat: didn't catch fire :)
mircea_popescu: course mini mum would mean a british ex-pregnant short woman.
Venat: oh wait you are right
Venat: mininum is correct as its miniature number
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "A large miner named ArtForz" actually artforz may be the largest miner.
Venat: kakobrekla, I am most grateful
kakobrekla: im most thankful you are most grateful!
pankkake: some clients have a spell checker
ozbot: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]
mircea_popescu: The speed of the mining difficulty increases seem to slow down a little.
mircea_popescu: I take it that is good news for us (and all other mining companies out there).
kakobrekla: well getting raped less is good news if you are getting raped more
gribble: Current Blocks: 271767 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 392 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 10 hours, 4 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 693612388.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.80346
mircea_popescu: and thinking maybe you;ll get raped less is even better news
kakobrekla: keeping the spirit up is half of survival
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 963.0, Best ask: 967.0, Bid-ask spread: 4.00000, Last trade: 967.0, 24 hour volume: 28688.05883397, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 983.99, 24 hour vwap: 933.8987
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00187001 = 0.6545 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00187001 = 0.561 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00180252 / 0.00199489 / 0.00214999 (2585 shares, 5.15680254 BTC), 7D: 0.00170000 / 0.00202701 / 0.00246000 (59292 shares, 120.18530637 BTC), 30D: 0.00157500 / 0.0020936 / 0.00278770 (236297 shares, 494.71125106 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 172 @ 0.00187001 = 0.3216 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 448 @ 0.00203498 = 0.9117 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00368898 = 0.1586 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.0036499 = 0.208 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu do you have any articles on "hoodrat shit" ?
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Hoodrat Shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.40045 = 0.8009 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: right, ship me one to somalia before chistmas
gribble: The expected generation output, at 5000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 0.00412568341173 BTC per day and 0.000171903475489 BTC per hour.
ThickAsThieves: so basically you get the miners just in time to still lose money buying from BFL
ThickAsThieves: god forbid they ship them the day or so you order them
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 981.40001, Best ask: 984.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.59999, Last trade: 981.4, 24 hour volume: 29119.81285417, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 984.0, 24 hour vwap: 937.34072
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.20000001 BTC [-]
nubbins`: hm, captain sally is FREAKING out today
gribble: There are currently 1698.6083 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 1691554.15863 USD in total. | Data vintage: 161.5444 seconds
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 986.01, Best ask: 989.99999, Bid-ask spread: 3.98999, Last trade: 989.99, 24 hour volume: 29540.98124236, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 990.0, 24 hour vwap: 938.5936
mircea_popescu: sorry people, the future ltc over 50 bet is closed early
jurov`: lol.. i logged to btc-e after few months and found an order to sell 500 ltc for 0.98 btc each
nubbins`: every block contains like 1MB of noise from /dev/random
jurov`: that bet isn't going to close early
mircea_popescu: Racial tensions are inflamed at the University of California at Los Angeles following several incidents — most notably, one where a professor corrected the grammar, punctuation and capitalization in minority students’ assignments.
mircea_popescu: The act of correcting a black student was “micro-aggression,” according to the members of the student group “Call 2 Action: Graduate Students of Color,” which launched a sit-in
ThickAsThieves: is micro-aggression what happens when passive-aggression sharts?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37020006 BTC [-]
nubbins`: sharting sucks, shissing is worse
mircea_popescu: i suppose micro aggression is what happens when some nigger is really pissed off and can't find a better pretext to lash out/
ThickAsThieves: i assume "nigger" applies to any color in this example
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37020005 = 0.7404 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: nigger
ThickAsThieves: it's an interesting concept, I always felt that black people trying to take ownership of the word wasnt the right reaction
ThickAsThieves: a better one might be to apply the term to a broader meaning
mircea_popescu: a nigger is anyone that behaves like what the implication of the word suggests.
mircea_popescu: be they white or not, as long as they're illiterate, aggressive, noisy etc, that's that.
ozbot: Newfie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
truffles: there are other words to describe those things
ThickAsThieves: the problem with trying to own "nigger" in the classic sense it creates a paradigm, in which all black people are still pretty much tied to it
nubbins`: i'm still shaking my head at the fact that someone who thinks correcting spelling mistakes is racist was able to make it to grad school
ThickAsThieves: black people call each other nigger in an effort to take it back
truffles: was it only that group of ppl had their errors corrected?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you have to let people in according to color rather than merit, so people like obama can go to college and be president
bloctoc: PLEASE STOP THIS DISCUSSION!!!
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: that definition makes most of america niggers
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, "take it back". it'll never be a word to denote cupcakes for instance
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: nigga moment
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i dunno that it has much to do with slavery really.
mircea_popescu: as far as i can tell slavery is a positive word today.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: i know plenty of people who refer to themselves as "queer" with no hint of irony
mircea_popescu: imo that's all a confusion. they weren;t called niggers because they were slaves, they were called niggers because they were perceived stunted
mircea_popescu: what i see in it (from the outside mind you) is an exact equivalent of the "lame"
ThickAsThieves: nigger was a word to equate their value with that of livestock
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 993.00001, Best ask: 994.999, Bid-ask spread: 1.99899, Last trade: 994.999, 24 hour volume: 29031.43156332, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 995.0, 24 hour vwap: 941.26169
truffles: TAT are u trying to educate mp os?
truffles: im trying to understand both points of views
mircea_popescu: nubbins` iirc queer means "funny", as in, different. at least at the root.
truffles: u have a logical stance on the word, implying that the hate will go away?
deadweasel: these words have meanings only in your minds, and they will all differ slightly.
ThickAsThieves: there is a pressure for black rappers to use the word nigger in their lyrics
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: well, if we're talking roots, examine the latin "niger"
truffles: i think mp uses it implying that its just as bad as any word like "stupid"?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` maybe too distant a root. and it's not latin per se anyway, iirc it came from spanish/creole.
ThickAsThieves: when black rappers dont say it, they are not taken as seriously
deadweasel: they were already enslaved and now they are pressuring ecah other?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: spanish negro from latin niger
deadweasel: best black artists don't use the word nigger in their rap
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves here's the thing : rappers sell puff. in matters of puff, god forbid your puff is perceivced as less "quality" than the other's puff.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: what's the color black called in romanian?
mircea_popescu: and so they have to fake quality. gotta use the TOP words then,
nubbins`: most romance languages have similar
ThickAsThieves: but it's also rooted in that white people wanna hear it
mircea_popescu: i dunno that i ever wanted to hear a word in preference of another
mircea_popescu: i don't recall anyone discovering that saying "cunt" sells porn better than any other word, so it never became a big thing.
mircea_popescu: if anything, this is the basis i'd argue against your theory ThickAsThieves
nubbins`: i think "pussy" sells porn better
ThickAsThieves: this is popular thing, not one every individual will feel
nubbins`: altho neither will save you from the gulag
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well seeing how the demographics are like, anything popular will be popular with white people. blacks are what, 12% if that.
mircea_popescu: even jazz existed once whities started having ella over.
truffles: <ThickAsThieves> popular rap is popular with white people>>> orly, so what r the blacks listening to?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 462 @ 0.00350654 = 1.62 BTC [-] {7}
deadweasel: do we have problem we are trying to solve with these over generalizations?
mircea_popescu: deadweasel yes. we're trying to see if we manage to erupt in full assets riot or not.
deadweasel: just curious what the purpose is, or If I should go make coffee and bacon.
nubbins`: coffee puts hairs on your chest
deadweasel: i do at work, not on weekend, i get jacked on dark roast
nubbins`: deadweasel: you wanna get jacked, switch to light roast
nubbins`: there was a "performance artist" did a thing here some years ago
nubbins`: gave himself an enema of a full bottle of red wine
nubbins`: attempted to shiss it into a bucket
nubbins`: 30 minutes later, falling around the bar, unable to stand up
mircea_popescu: reds usually have a lot of tanic acid. which is how you tan hides. who wants a tanned gut.
nubbins`: peaberry coffees have lots of tannins too
nubbins`: oh, i learned that the reason pineapple makes my mouth bleed is because the core is full of meat tenderizer
truffles: didnt i tell u not to have it touch the edges
truffles: maybe u should stop the coffee thats thinning u out?
deadweasel: omg I hope this is not about papaya enemas
nubbins`: truffles: real men drink coffee
nubbins`: tea is for the weak and the infirm
truffles: guess thats why i can rip through pineapples like a boss
deadweasel: so I'm only weak and infirm on weekedays?
nubbins`: truffles: you probably buy pineapple chunks or something
deadweasel: truffles it's because you're so full of meat
nubbins`: i quarter the things and rip the core out with my teeth
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 995.0, Best ask: 996.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.80000, Last trade: 996.99999, 24 hour volume: 29230.90252009, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 998.33, 24 hour vwap: 943.68055
nubbins`: so all this bitcoin all time high talk
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 995.0, Best ask: 996.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.80000, Last trade: 996.99999, 24 hour volume: 30286.01335841, 24 hour low: 860.001, 24 hour high: 1000.0, 24 hour vwap: 945.63343
nubbins`: combined with richard branson's latest thing
nubbins`: made me have a dream about space last night
nubbins`: me and pascale went up in a rocket
gribble: Error: "doxlag" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, they fucked up. need a little signalling to comprehend they fucked up.
gribble: MtGox lag is 92.228569 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.184825019633 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
nubbins`: and -- no joke -- did a freefall back to earth
nubbins`: parachuting into my backyard at the end of it
nubbins`: not sure how we survived reentry, but it was pretty scary
nubbins`: don't thank me yet, wait til i create a forum thread where i fuss about my spelling being corrected
nubbins`: i mean about my money being stolen
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1020.00001, Best ask: 1020.58739, Bid-ask spread: 0.58738, Last trade: 1020.58739, 24 hour volume: 31032.61127457, 24 hour low: 865.2222, 24 hour high: 1026.15138, 24 hour vwap: 948.33012
nubbins`: hm, should have had a jazz cigarette ready to go
nubbins`: didn't think it'd happen so soon
nubbins`: having a hard time getting upset about it tho ;D
mircea_popescu: as they say, more people want to buy 4 digit btc than they wanted to buy 3 digit btc.
nubbins`: i guess this bodes well for my hoard of casascius coins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0035 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: my biggest fear is the day I go to crack open my casascius coin the private key is unreadable
mircea_popescu: you know, i clearly recall mpoe-pr offering free bitcoins on some stripper forum some time back
deadweasel: they really do want 4 digit coins... holy shit
deadweasel: as china relaxes capital controls, you think many chinese will cash out for other ventures?
mircea_popescu: deadweasel in fairness they've been doing it for a while.
nubbins`: all the ballers will want them
ozbot: This is the story of your loss.
nubbins`: to be fair, average investors get average returns
nubbins`: plenty of people made fortunes on each of those exchanges
jcpham: since we're feeling so successful this morning mircea_popescu
nubbins`: plenty of idiots got fleeced too, so y'know
jcpham: HEY GUYS IF YOU WANT TO SERVE AS ROTA FOR THE NEXT YEAR GO SIGN UP IN mircea_popescu's BLOG
jcpham: tomorrow the 29th is when i gpg signed a key
jcpham: after that there's like 2 weeks or something
jcpham: don't make me look up my notes
nubbins`: hey, i'm good at judging things
ozbot: The MPEx Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jcpham: thank you for the clarification dates
jcpham: i wasn't sure which one we were going by
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sadly your shot at judging things WAS RUINED by the earlier rota judges
mircea_popescu: jcpham yeah, 1 year from your 15th of the quarter whenever it was
jcpham: go sign up to be next year's judge
jcpham: mircea_popescu hates the idea
truffles: there were that many that judges were needed?
mircea_popescu: jcpham eh read teh thing dood, i have to sign off on the rolls anyway
jcpham: but has yet to disband it through some type of wording or contractual nullification
nubbins`: way to send me conflicting messages
jcpham: i'm not the one sending conflicting messages here
nubbins`: i don't know that my WoT rating is older than 6 months anyway
mircea_popescu: it documents a failed experiment in citizen justicing.
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1007.0, Best ask: 1022.6152, Bid-ask spread: 15.61520, Last trade: 1007.0, 24 hour volume: 31555.16443743, 24 hour low: 868.9, 24 hour high: 1030.0, 24 hour vwap: 950.52497
mircea_popescu: one which cost me more than what your average new "exchange" is worth lock stock and barrel,
truffles: if one does the just thing, one does not need others to decide on one's behalf
jcpham: i'm not sure how it failed so miserably so fast but i don't think this is true
mircea_popescu: jcpham just the fact that i'll have this to lord over the noobs in the coming decades makes it worthwhile.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: hm, shame, sounded like fun
jcpham: nubbins` i'd still be persistent if i were you in asking where to sign up
jcpham: actually maybe we can bring a case against mpex
nubbins`: i mean, there's an article right there with "post mortem" in the title
jcpham: i'm not sure mircea_popescu has the authority he caims to have
jcpham: based on the initial "birth" of the idea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3330 @ 0.00008 = 0.2664 BTC [-]
jcpham: II.2. The Rota supersedes the jurisdiction of any other court, institution, group, organisation, corporation, reigning monarch, city fool etc.
deadweasel: I think it would make a very profitable bet.
jcpham: it might fall under 1000
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1016.0, Best ask: 1021.1542, Bid-ask spread: 5.15420, Last trade: 1021.1542, 24 hour volume: 31568.47965533, 24 hour low: 870.00001, 24 hour high: 1030.0, 24 hour vwap: 950.71338
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: after an admittedly cursory skim, it looks like you just picked bad judges
jurov`: good judges like me decided to wait and see
jcpham: nubbins` i concede this also may be true
jcpham: people usually are the weak link in an idea
nubbins`: eh, ideas are easy, implementing them is the hard part
nubbins`: hence why ideas are generally worth $0
jcpham: that's ok i'm an easy target
Bugpowder: OH sweet! Retracted! I'm going to get retraction watch to do a story on it.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: some sort of sub-100 btc baby rota where judges don't get paid, or only get paid a pittance, for example
ThickAsThieves: MPOE-PR has at least one definite error in her new post
nubbins`: you can't just throw civilians into a set of judge's robes and expect them to act accordingly :P
lewicki: MPOE he seems agitated and threatened that NEOBEE is getting into the game somehow
lewicki: stomping on the ground to kick up sand
mircea_popescu: lewicki you have any idea how often this was said historically ?
mircea_popescu: well that'd be a problem, information asymmetry and all that.
topace: hey mircea_popescu, i requested a withdrawal from mpex yesterday, any chance you could push that through for me ?
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1041.0, Best ask: 1044.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 1044.0, 24 hour volume: 31737.89401815, 24 hour low: 870.56259, 24 hour high: 1044.0, 24 hour vwap: 951.8752
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
taub: yes, still going up right now mtgox alltime highs
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
topace: mircea_popescu: ty, got it
nubbins`: at least i had the foresight to pick one of these up
taub: nice sites Bugpowder
taub: if we hit 2k i'm going to wrestlemania 30
nubbins`: P asks "have you coated those screens yet?"
nubbins`: "not yet, having a beer first"
nubbins`: P: "ah, you're too busy grabbing life by the balls and giving them a squeeze?"
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1036.0, Best ask: 1040.0, Bid-ask spread: 4.00000, Last trade: 1036.0, 24 hour volume: 31792.64996268, 24 hour low: 870.56259, 24 hour high: 1044.0, 24 hour vwap: 952.49385
deadweasel: nubbins`: you got a helluva a woman there.
Bugpowder: well being over 1000 was fun while it lasted.
deadweasel: i may have met my future woman last night. gonna go paint a farmhouse with her on friday.
nubbins`: at the rate things are going, i'm not gonna have a mortgage soon
ozbot: [WTB/WTS] Casascius Holo Error / Collectible Marketplace
nubbins`: and i thought 25 was taking the piss
mircea_popescu: pretty soon we;ll be entering "well preserved latin solidus" territory here.
mircea_popescu: i think depending on the issue etc it may go as high as a mil or two
nubbins`: most costly non-casascius coin i ever purchased was just under 3k
jcpham: means i'm going to get my 10 graded
jcpham: if people are already asking retard prices
nubbins`: what's it cost to get coins graded, anyway?
jcpham: i looked up anac last night
jcpham: and it's like 3 coins for 125
nubbins`: oh, i was expecting it to cost more
ozbot: ANACS - America's Oldest Coin Authentication and Grading Service
nubbins`: although i can't see myself sending like $60k worth of coins through the mail
jcpham: yeah that's my problem
jcpham: that's exactly my problem
nubbins`: although at the risk of being cheeky
nubbins`: if you've got $60k worth of coins, you can fucking well afford a plane ticket
jcpham: that's what i was thinking too
nubbins`: not sure how that'd play out with customs tho
jcpham: it's in CO and we love colorado
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: would probably spend a few minutes explaining to them what they're dealing with
jcpham: i've already seen the anac graded cas coins so i know they grade them
jcpham: obv they've handled them
jcpham: but chain of custody is really important
mircea_popescu: suppose they send you the coin back w/o sticker. now what ?
nubbins`: what else, you just sniff and shrug?
mircea_popescu: don't ofcourse me. do you, nubbins, actuallty file a lawsuit ?
jcpham: i would either have to do that or eat it
nubbins`: i, nubbins, do indeed actually file a lawsuit
jcpham: i've eaten enough losses
nubbins`: a lawyer would be the obvious choice
nubbins`: what if the sun eats the earth?
jcpham: yeah lulz at newegg losing after diffie
mircea_popescu: so there you have it. either you put aside money for the lawuyer and for the appeal
jcpham: they couldn't have put a more correct person on the stand to give an accurate portrayel of history and still lost due to patent bullshit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37020005 BTC [-]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: seems risky for ANACS to just start peeling holograms on the off-chance that i won't sue them
mircea_popescu: you can either have a jury or not. if you do, it'll be made of idiots. if you don't, the state will just rape you.
mircea_popescu: think in terms of how the processes are articled in fact,
ThickAsThieves: i dont even understand how you can confidently have juries for these things
mircea_popescu: if one guy that just got started woprking with anacs (or with the mail, or etc) figures he might as well, you're sol.
nubbins`: i'd think that ANACS would have some sort of policy surrounding what happens when an employee destroys a submitted coin
mircea_popescu: except it's unlikely "destruction" is defined as "having peeled a sticker off"
nubbins`: i mean, this is their business
nubbins`: for these coins, destruction is precisely defined as such
ThickAsThieves: just put it in a sleeve that says "DO NOT PEEL STICKER OR YOU DIE."
jcpham: i'd agree peeling the sticker destroys the original value and ALL of the collectible value
jcpham: to me it renders it without value
nubbins`: why don't i just say "hey guys, why not sign this document stating that peeling the stickers off these constitutes destruction"
mircea_popescu: jcpham well yeah, but maybe you're insane. what's the court to know ?
nubbins`: this is not an insurmountable problem
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if you can get them to do that then sure, it's a constructive stgep forward.
jcpham: i *may* be able to provide documentation for the court suggesting that i am not insane though
nubbins`: jcpham: can't really prove a negative like that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00203497 = 0.1709 BTC [+] {2}
jcpham: fuck the court get money, bitches.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: well, who the fuck is gonna buy a coin for $10k?
nubbins`: regardless of the coin's worth
jcpham: bitcoin buyers....not as difficult
nubbins`: 10 btc is much more precious than it once was, even to people who got in early
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is factual, btc coins could indeed be worth less than the btc in them
jcpham: i think i could sell some of them back to the people i bought 'em from
mircea_popescu: logic seems to suggest this is true, or else bitcoin wouldn't be an improvement in the first place.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's protected because you just peel the sticker yoursel;f
ThickAsThieves: it's like a collectible that also comes with free bitcoins
jcpham: i'd like to be in another land one day and finally peel the sticker
jcpham: something refreshing like that
ThickAsThieves: give it your real estate agent as commission when you buy your summer home
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nubbins`: owning 3 houses puts you squarely into "asshole" territory
jcpham: need to pay off mortgage on summer home
nubbins`: well, name a person who owns more than two homes who isn't an asshole
jcpham: so it can't just be property it must be an actual dwelling x3
jcpham: i do not qualify for three dwellings
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: most landlords are assholes
nubbins`: regardless of whether it's their shithead kids (or tenants) who made them that way
jcpham: i sense ThickAsThieves is a landlord
jcpham: maybe i have not had bad tenants yet
nubbins`: and an asshole, but only when the situation calls for it
jcpham: mine have been very much nor,al so far
nubbins`: i'll probably sell one next year when the current lease is up
nubbins`: property values have skyrocketed here
ThickAsThieves: but future properties will likely be pushed to mgmt company
nubbins`: mgmt company is the way to go, depending on rates
nubbins`: lots of the ones here charge 1 month's rent per year in fees
mircea_popescu: someone should point out to that j b allen retard that bitcoin corps have existed for years now
deadweasel: I just sent a contact info invite to -assets
jcpham: i've done both the mgmt company and private
jcpham: just been lucky so far both were good
nubbins`: i had this one idiot mgmt person try to tell me that the house would never rent for more than $800/mo
nubbins`: "but... that's less than the mortgage"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's better if the women own the houses.
nubbins`: what sort of size homes do you guys rent out?
nubbins`: ours is a 5-bedroom, 1.5 bathroom
jcpham: mines 3/1 it's a tiny house
nubbins`: that's a nice size for a rental
jcpham: i like it for that purpose
jcpham: tornados in 2011 wiped out 40% of it
deadweasel: 1891 built old wood monster. 2 bed 1ba
nubbins`: yeah, ours is in a good location, but really old and starting to fall apart
jcpham: gotta keep the water out
nubbins`: had a pipe burst a few months ago
ThickAsThieves: basically when i upgrade my home, i just rent out the old one, rather than sell it
nubbins`: shutoff valve wouldn't fully close, and the city couldn't find the curb stop
nubbins`: had to cut a flowing pipe and fit a valve onto it
nubbins`: but this house is OLD. all the wiring is external, even
ThickAsThieves: ah we 2 inches of water in half our house a few weeks ago
jcpham: i've seen shitty houses last and rent forever
jcpham: just needs anew roof every 10 years or so
jcpham: as long as you keep the water out
ThickAsThieves: luckily the installers did a good job, and we caught the leak early enough to have no notable damage
nubbins`: i had a gallon a minute coming down through the ceiling
nubbins`: apparently there was a bad batch of copper put out about 20 years ago, and it's all starting to fail
ThickAsThieves: this made me wonder why bathrooms dont naturally have a shower drain in the middle of the room
nubbins`: korean bathrooms are like this
nubbins`: great, but you need sandals for the bathroom
nubbins`: otherwise your socks get wet every time you take a piss
ozbot: Instalatorotenia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: this is me bitching because the floor is not properly inclined
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: i was in ONE house in korea that had an actual tub
nubbins`: and even this one didn't have a shower curtain
nubbins`: so the water still went everywhere
nubbins`: or those who don't want wet floors
ozbot: This is the story of your loss.
nubbins`: wonder what the average market value of s.dice was
ozbot: S.MPOE market cap vs S.DICE market cap pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: was he old enough to vote at that point, i wonder?
ThickAsThieves: i apologize to MPOE-PR but I don't have the energy to piece-by-piece rebut. generally, i get her points but feel she's being too fast and loose in justifying them. No point restating that in new ways.
nubbins`: on a somewhat related note, anyone else think voorhees looks like Gob from Arrested Development?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37020008 = 0.7404 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` 43`998`459 s.dice shares traded, for 167063.39157175 btc total.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.37014933 = 5.5522 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: well it was trading around 20 at the time, but it had peaked significantly earlier on. 60 or so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.03300006 = 0.858 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: 2013-11-27 02:27:00 1.7e+308 1.7e+308 1.7e+308 1.7e+308 Infinity Infinity Infinity
ThickAsThieves: hey anyone else have this kinda phenomenon where you dont talk about bitcoin socially because when you do it's like youre creating a little monster?
nubbins`: generally bragging about how much money you have is boorish
nubbins`: and even casually mentioning you own some btc is generally construed as meaning you've got a bunch of money
ozbot: What is ProtoShares?
pankkake: mircea_popescu: fucking retarded
pankkake: but basically he released protoshares, an altcoin, which is has a memory heavy proof of work
pankkake: he planned to mine 30% of it but failed because he got his hardware late and fucked up on diff adjustment
pankkake: so he started trying to want more "decentralized" solutions
nubbins`: why does almost everything in the sphere of btc reek of a complete lack of planning?
pankkake: oh also there was a bounty of $5000 for anyone who could prove it would work faster on the gpu (as the objective of the pow was that it shouldn't)
mircea_popescu: coming from nubbins` who just got trampled all to shit hours ago over his poor litigation planning.
pankkake: then he wanted the exact contrary, make it gpu minable to be more "decentralized"
nubbins`: your doom and gloom has no place here!
pankkake: anyway, the idea is that anything they will release next will be a chain fork of ProtoShares
pankkake: they have "BitShares" or "BitDomains" coming
pankkake: no idea how it is supposed to work
pankkake: I'm probably missing and messing up stuff, I am a bit delirious
mircea_popescu: planning is hard, homie. if it were easy i'd have to find a honest way to make a living.
pankkake: I got my btc from the instamine, everything's good
pankkake: had I waited it would have been 10
mircea_popescu: had you stuck the entire thing in your netherhole it'd have been 10 too.
pankkake: do note that it's with zero investment, just the few computers I have running anyway
mircea_popescu: well ok. thanks for knowing all this obscure shit, it makes my life easier.
pankkake: those obscure coins sell well, because noobs can't figure out how to mine
deadweasel: Thanks so much for reaching out. I'm embarassed to say, I was not familiar with MPeX - just having a browse noew and getting caught up.
deadweasel: Thank you for your supportive words. I did not realize there were similar efforts going on - I hope I am not stepping on any toes.
deadweasel: I'll be very interested to hear more about what is already underway - will look you up soon on IRC then.
nubbins`: that's a polite, lucid response
nubbins`: works wonderfully for some values of "road"
deadweasel: i just wanted to discuss with him. his ideas are interesting, if not usable yet.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel so far he's way above the noob curve, as the others have wisely pointed out.
ozbot: [tor-talk] "Safeplug"
ThickAsThieves: "I was on the verge of pulling the trigger at $65 when there was a lull a couple of months ago!! Am kicking myself right now!"
ThickAsThieves: i like this current magical rewriting of when the price was at certain points
pankkake: you'd be safer with a buttplug
nubbins`: ^ at least that stops you from getting fucked in the ass
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so now you know the announcer is a lying sob.
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1043.0, Best ask: 1043.9999, Bid-ask spread: 0.99990, Last trade: 1041.0, 24 hour volume: 31845.13612728, 24 hour low: 877.0, 24 hour high: 1044.0, 24 hour vwap: 960.98895
mircea_popescu: but anyway, bitcoin is now that thing anyone wants to pretend they have.
pankkake: the first rule about trading bitcoins is lying about your past performance
ThickAsThieves: "My only concern is not even the smartest tech guys I know truly understand it. "
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if someone made a bitcoin charts like api that was more reliable would you be willing to run the MPOE bot off that?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you got a problem with 1000 ? are you an anti-thousandist ?
nubbins`: no point for me to lie, most people here probably already think i ate too many paint chips as a child
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
mike_c: i thought bitcoincharts got new hardware.
mike_c: maybe they bought those new quantum servers
gribble: MtGox lag is 4.850078 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00971950200782 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Saturn to its largest moon, Titan (0.00802 AU).
nubbins`: "raspi is cheap, let's get a bunch of those and install apache"
pankkake: there was one company selling hosting on mac minis
pankkake: why aren't koreans into bitcoin?
nubbins`: seriously, there must be a guy out there somewhere with a beowulf cluster of raspis
nubbins`: trying to figure out how to get apache to play nice with MPI
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mike_c: mp, this is the.. fourth time you are going to have to update strikes this year?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: is that like, yellow buttplug if you want things to change direction and red buttplug to stop scene immediately?
ozbot: BitBet - Non-South Korean to win the Starcraft 2 "2013 DreamHack Open: Stockholm" tournament
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1060.0, Best ask: 1069.0, Bid-ask spread: 9.00000, Last trade: 1069.0, 24 hour volume: 32565.53644014, 24 hour low: 877.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 963.61072
pankkake: oh you can watch starcraft in bars all over the world now
nubbins`: well, few things feel as good as taking a shit
mike_c: this actually has a chance. insane.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
markedathome: so now that bitcoin has passed 1000usd, will 'the good wife' do a followup to their "bitcoin" episode?
nubbins`: never watched it, probably won't
pankkake: the name made me think it was reality tv
nubbins`: fuckit, i'm posting this here too
ozbot: Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody (A-Cappella) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.15000105 = 1.05 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: I can't listen to this song without thinking of the Wayne's World bit
nubbins`: right? people don't sing like this
pankkake: it's pretty good, and it's coming from someone who hates most singing
nubbins`: pretty lelly when the headbanging part comes up and it's just silence for like a minute
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080752 / 0.00081224 / 0.00083 (30884 shares, 25.09 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00079132 / 0.00085604 (1112027 shares, 879.97 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082335 / 0.00088996 (5198653 shares, 4,280.36 BTC)
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00082913 BTC [+]
ozbot: Freddie Mercury vs. Crowd - YouTube
gribble: Total bids: 36829309 USD. Total asks: 14725 BTC. Ratio: 2501.07829 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 232.0051 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.36126667 = 1.0838 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.096 = 0.48 BTC [-]
Venat: Such bitcoin, nice price. Woah, not central
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.0322 = 0.805 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.15000104 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1062.323, Best ask: 1064.994, Bid-ask spread: 2.67100, Last trade: 1062.323, 24 hour volume: 32653.65049996, 24 hour low: 877.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 964.51224
nubbins`: y'know, the first time i bought a Queen cassette, the fucking thing was spooled backwards
nubbins`: i made it through BOTH SIDES of the tape before deciding that this was in fact the case
Venat: nubbins`, you the one with the diaries?
ThickAsThieves: freddie mercury babbling sounds on stage can communicate better with a crowd than most leaders
nubbins`: the only similarity is the "fuck you" at the end ;D
mircea_popescu: deadweasel o look, your friend was here. you missed him!
Venat: is there a way to track how many addresses there are currently
mircea_popescu: you could parse the blockchain for all addresses seen so far.
nubbins`: there's a ton of these acapella videos on youtube, some of them are pretty funny
nubbins`: not sure why lemmy isn't dead yet
ThickAsThieves: you know there's an easy way to make acappella versions?
nubbins`: you can hear the backing tracks in a lot of these, very faintly
nubbins`: occasionally you'll find one that's just the naked vocal track from the mixing board, but those are pretty rare
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14705602 BTC [-]
nubbins`: the bohemian rhapsody one, you could hear a few piano parts where they happened to be around the same freqs as his voice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0005 = 0.25 BTC [+]
nubbins`: hm. would love to find some talking heads vocal tracks
ozbot: Oleg Andreev - Arguments for Litecoin are fraudulent
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.145 = 0.29 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18858 @ 0.00007974 = 1.5037 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin will stay above $1000 for the rest of 2013
drmandude: but there's 10 months of closing time
pankkake: that's not the point of the article
pankkake: let's say "unless it offers something else"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00049999 = 0.5 BTC [-]
ozbot: Talking Heads - Fear of Music - YouTube
mircea_popescu: that's about as unlikely as your favourite gf spontaneously cloning
ThickAsThieves: i argue that you are wrong because it is already the case
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.09008572 = 0.6306 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2020 @ 0.00005446 = 0.11 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: they'd both call the other one the altcoin
pankkake: one would be named "the real bitcoin"
pankkake: the other "the realest bitcoin"
pankkake: probably over issuing a block of 100000 BTC for a bailout
nubbins`: like the original ghostbusters vs the real ghostbusters
mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, that'd make it clear which is the wrong one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14360952 BTC [-]
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Litecoin Peercoin Namecoin Primecoin Feathercoin No
mircea_popescu: you have to appreciate the following mechanism : if there's a blockchain fork, the two forks can be sold and bought independently.
pankkake: infinitecoin has a better progression than litecoin
mircea_popescu: everyone has an incentive to sell the loser RIGHT NOW while the price is still good
mircea_popescu: so the sinking of the identifiably bad chain will flash.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if there's doubt it may linger, but it is possibly the most unstable situation in naturel.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you're always on both sides of a fork. by definition.
mircea_popescu: it will still resolve, because the slightest randomness will amplify
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14300001 BTC [-]
pankkake: there's a blockchain fork of bitcoin already, the bitcoin-scrypt thing
ThickAsThieves: however none of this leads back to LTC arguments being fraudulent
mircea_popescu: this is all a discussion of a blockchain fork, not of a software fork
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2700 @ 0.00008188 = 0.2211 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3612 BTC [-]
nubbins`: opening trade: 2013-11-27 12:06:312000฿0.00002500฿0.0500
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4767 @ 0.00084209 = 4.0142 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.119975 = 0.4799 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: there appears to be a large amount of fail happening with HIF
nubbins`: people not counting their zeroes
nubbins`: turns out leading zeroes ARE significant if they're on the right-hand side of the decimal
nubbins`: seriously, the first trade was at 5% of ipo price
mircea_popescu: well in fairness s.dice got sold once into i don't recall but sometjhing like that, 10% of avg.
mircea_popescu: that was a 10k btc loss or thereabouts for the hapless author.
nubbins`: you can almost hear the screams of anguish
ThickAsThieves: and a huge gain for the bidder, cuz it was probly the week before closing
pankkake: well, hadn't I held it, I would have told you to fake financial difficulties
nubbins`: where's that burberry baseball cap...
nubbins`: like a landlord from a dickens novel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0035 = 0.245 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: can i just say that i had no idea how much having a safety deposit box makes you feel like a baller?
nubbins`: srsly, special privacy rooms and shit
nubbins`: "i'll just give you some privacy, mr keefe"
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long before google starts running its own blockchain
mircea_popescu: in order to be able to serve queries like google 2bce51603d490da5a76b56a8f36665b26ed9a4cc1da24e5eedf1101a25d96155
nubbins`: probably only a matter of time
pankkake: why would they need something decentralized?
nubbins`: you can already do a crazy amount of stuff via google
pankkake: actually bitcoin is more, it's trustless
pankkake: and google could trust all its nodes
deadweasel: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ThickAsThieves: 1Gkjhkf456KGHFrtds449875t85 addy will have "like cat videos" "shops at newegg" etc
ThickAsThieves: how is it not worth $7.5m to dig up a 4-foot deep football field?
nubbins`: maybe he should rent an excavator like he is
nubbins`: i mean, how would you ever find it anyway
nubbins`: you'd literally have to sort through every piece of trash
ThickAsThieves: well you put everything on a conveyor back into the dump
nubbins`: every empty potato chip bag, every shitty diaper
nubbins`: and then at the end you find a smashed hard drive covered in dog vomit
nubbins`: and thusly commit your body to the dump
ThickAsThieves: but those coins are probly $20m or whatever next week...
nubbins`: "hard luck, plz donate to 1TotallyDidntMakeStoryUp92837
pankkake: even if fake I'm sure that story happenned elsewhere or will
nubbins`: pretty much broadcasting your idiocy to the world
nubbins`: why not just use the forums, amirite?
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pankkake: on the french forum one guy claimed to have many bitcoins but password protected and he forgot it
nubbins`: y'know, i didn't really intend for this to be my nick
pankkake: but at the time wallet encryption didn't exist
nubbins`: i wanted to post something on the forums and just signed up with the first word that popped into my head
pankkake: and he wouldn't reply on what he used to encrypt it
pankkake: hehe, well, if it was, it would be so easily recoverable
nubbins`: WAIT YOU CAN CRACK WINZIP PASSWORDS?!!?!?
pankkake: the old algorithms are pretty bad IIRC
ThickAsThieves: so in 2020 will we have treasure hunters scowering the earth for computers trashed in 2011, 2012
mircea_popescu: so yet another reason for those ppl to import old hardware.
deadweasel: fuck, better get started now! i could start getting togbether an ultrasonic profile of laptop drive matching the model... maybe I could find it.
deadweasel: although I'd also hav eto know the profile of every piece of shitty garbage
ThickAsThieves: try to pinpoint hubs of people likely to have mined somehow
deadweasel: you should run a computer disposal service that only accepts btc!
nubbins`: people pay to dispose of computers?
deadweasel: not very much, but yes, they have to. enviro terror otherwise
nubbins`: you "have to" pay $50 to throw an old television away
nubbins`: but people just toss 'em into the bins at the dump anyway
deadweasel: they do, don't they? i forget how much garbage is actually sorted.
deadweasel: i lived on a landfill for a few weeks. reclaimed section with exotic wildlife on it, mind you.
nubbins`: they decided to build the dump at the edge of the ocean here
pankkake: I still use a 15 year old computer!
pankkake: I'm like totally environmental
nubbins`: there's a lovely section of the East Coast Trail that runs right past it
nubbins`: woods littered with teeny tiny bits of plastic
nubbins`: and a big sign at the end that says "why not use less plastic bags?"
markedathome: so new money making scheme is to buy every corporate hd on ebay to see if they have bitcoin wallets?
ThickAsThieves: lol the thing is so old it couldnt pass a an emissions inspection probly
deadweasel: plastic bags were a bane, I basically went around picking them up all day so animals wouldn't choke.
nubbins`: plastic bags are moronically wasteful
mircea_popescu: In 2009, marine biologists with Disney’s Animal Programs in Melbourne Beach, Florida, discovered a green sea turtle that was having trouble digesting food. They found that a piece of plastic had lodged in the turtle’s gastrointestinal tract. When biologists removed the obstruction, the turtle defecated 74 foreign objects in the subsequent month. Among the items documented were four types of latex balloons, five dif
mircea_popescu: ferent types of string, nine different types of soft plastic, four different types of hard plastic, a piece of carpet-like material, and two tar balls to boot.
deadweasel: that is documented it nearly every living animal these days, some sort of plastic.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0035 = 0.119 BTC [-]
nubbins`: at least shit was food at some point
deadweasel: it is a pretty cool looking turtle mind you.
nubbins`: given the choice, i'm sure he'd rather have skipped the corsetry tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.3612 = 2.5284 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0034312 = 0.1201 BTC [-]
deadweasel: most women ofthe 18th century would have too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.35977076 = 3.9575 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1061.00001, Best ask: 1066.92478, Bid-ask spread: 5.92477, Last trade: 1066.99997, 24 hour volume: 33579.21896322, 24 hour low: 882.00001, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 970.64069
mike_c: HIF market cap yesterday: 1,100 btc. today: 120 btc. ouch.
gribble: There are currently 1157.0369 bitcoins demanded at or over 1000.0 USD, worth 1181926.43421 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.1184 seconds
nubbins`: mike_c: still not really sure if it's people legit selling or just not counting zeroes
nubbins`: why the fuck would you buy something and then IMMEDIATELY sell it for 10% of its value?
nubbins`: without even waiting a couple of hours?
mike_c: there are ~10 btc worth of asks at least below ipo price on the books right now
mike_c: the ipo investors must not know about dollar cost averaging ;)
nubbins`: i guess if the shiny doesn't double in value immediately, it's better to take a 90% loss?
mike_c: ;;calc 1.25 * 0.0005 + .467 * 0.00066
mike_c: ;;calc 1.25 * 0.0005 + .467 * 0.00066 * 1000000
mike_c: ;;calc (1.25 * 0.0005 + .467 * 0.00066) * 1000000
nubbins`: i dunno, i honestly think people just saw a "7" in the bid column
nubbins`: and sold without checking numbers
mike_c: yeah.. that's what happens when you don't have a 30 btc entry fee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3537777 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: while i would invest in Havelock, it would not be at the original price
mike_c: you don't think its worth $1m?
mike_c: really? so their market cap thing is completely off?
mike_c: wow. that's misleading.
mike_c: topace: what's the rationale there?
ThickAsThieves: so in that sense i'm not sure the buy orders are ridiculous at all
nubbins`: i am interested to see how this "50 new funds" thing works out for them
mike_c: um, which valuation only counts 2% of the shares?
pankkake: my interpretation is "50 guys sent a mail to get listed"
mike_c: and calls that "market cap"
pankkake: not "50 funds will go live asap"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mike_c: i guess they mean "this particular market" ;p
mike_c: yeah, but, how can he justify redefining the words he uses?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.35177001 BTC [-]
mike_c: market cap for a PT should be the market cap of the underlying.
pankkake: how would that work for, say, AM100?
mike_c: yes. vwap * fully diluted shares
nubbins`: still trying to figure out what triggers "123!"
nubbins`: it's happened to me a few times today
pankkake: it happens with large numbers, it's silly
nubbins`: total noob question here, but are there any traditional assets that are traded simultaneously on, say, NYSE/LSE/TSE?
nubbins`: that's at least a starting point for this question of market cap
mike_c: no. we can argue over how to calculate the "price", but market cap is price * # of shares.
nubbins`: and i'm not talking like coca cola canada being listed on toronto stock exchange, i mean the exact same company
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.35177 = 1.4071 BTC [-]
mike_c: there are 20,000,000 shares of havelock
nubbins`: sure, i'm talking about AM now
pankkake: I think there is even assets traded in multiple currencies, like HSBC
mike_c: tat, show me any definition of market cap that is different from this.
nubbins`: sure, but is that the same HSBC or is it regional companies?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.35073366 = 1.0522 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: HavelockInvestments.com will offer a total of 20,000,000 units.
mike_c: 15,000,000 (75%) will be restricted units held privately by the owners of the Fund
mike_c: 5,000,000 (25%) will be floated via the exchange
mike_c: not all 5m sold, so fully diluted ~ 17m units
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.35003334 = 1.0501 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: This offer will represent Twenty Percent (20%) in virtual units of the HavlockInvestments.com which is comprised in total of 100,000,000 units of the Fund. These units will never be diluted.
pankkake: they're already pretty diluted. homeopathic shares
mike_c: hm, i got my quote from their prospectus. where is yours from?
mike_c: but that is authorized, not issued
mike_c: fully diluted is 16.75mm, yes?
topace: there are 100m shares, 20m shares _will_ be on havelock eventually, 15m held privately on havelock, 5m floated. so far the 15m have not been allocated on havelock
☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.35 = 4.55 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i'm not clear on whether Havelock can issue the 5m or 20m remainder anytime
topace: we'll likely re-try the remainder of the second tranche in a few weeks
topace: once we get a couple other companies listed
nubbins`: should change the charts to show # of shares issued rather than price
mike_c: ok, so dividends.. they will be divided by 1.75 mm? the other 15mm get nothing right now?
ThickAsThieves: and have it on charts page and order page with better tag
mike_c: it says dividends will be divided by 100mm, but that doesn't make sense if no one owns 80mm of the units
topace: dividend goes to all 100m shares
mike_c: ok, you can't say the market cap is for 1.75m shares, but dividends are for 100m.
nubbins`: if i buy a previously unpurchased share a year from now, am i entitled to past dividends?
mike_c: and where the hell does 80% of the dividend go if nobody owns those units?
mike_c: so to be clear: 15% of dividend to owners. 2% to shareholders. 83% to the company ledger.
topace: the panama fund owns 80m units, but since the ipo didnt sell out, it actually holds ~83.3m units still.
mike_c: i don't see how you can tell a potential shareholder "the market cap is based on 1.675m shares, but the dividend based on 100m"
mike_c: yes. misnomer is a euphamism
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 986.03, Best ask: 988.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.97000, Last trade: 983.0, 24 hour volume: 35414.56194001, 24 hour low: 882.15001, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 974.31508
nubbins`: or went to space with their friends
nubbins`: ah, lel. interesting time to be alive
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.143 BTC [-]
mike_c: topace, i am a fan, not a troll. you should remove that # from the site.. TaT seems to agree.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.13100005 BTC [-]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 935.67, Best ask: 945.0, Bid-ask spread: 9.33000, Last trade: 935.67, 24 hour volume: 38662.60385149, 24 hour low: 883.00002, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 972.80215
mike_c: prediction: tomorrow there will be 42 new articles about how volatile bitcoin is.
pankkake: we need a bitcoin spokeperson to stabilize the price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1005 @ 0.00025074 = 0.252 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: so we can know when to buy without ruining freedom
pankkake:
http://btcwarn.com/ is usually a great service but these days it's useless, I get many mails and all are usually already outdated once they arrive
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gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> lmao all this hating.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.35 = 1.4 BTC [-]
pankkake: that's what you get for being silly
TomServo: "Bitcoin will stay above $1000 for the rest of 2013" The shortest bitbet ever?
pankkake: bitbet never loses an occasion to scam
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 993.0, Best ask: 995.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 993.0, 24 hour volume: 41434.49020845, 24 hour low: 890.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 973.35555
mircea_popescu: total noob question here, but are there any traditional assets that are traded simultaneously on, say, NYSE/LSE/TSE? << depositary receipts are used
pankkake: eheh, btctctc used "depositary receipts" in its last days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00194153 = 0.1087 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: BingoBoingo: did you see my previous submission of the same bet?
pankkake: the desc is cut so I can't see what you did in case of none of them delivering
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Not really. How thoroughly did you try to spec it?
pankkake: I excluded shareholders for VMC
pankkake: and specs are quite generous, it wast mostly about at least shipping something
pankkake: it was rejected because of last line
pankkake: interesting that you had the same idea
pankkake: I see that as a "Cripple Fight"
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well, draws do suck. The solution is the bet has to fail as No, and bettors have to price accordingly for that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00083754 = 6.2816 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: but then you can't really have a live estimate of which company sucks more
pankkake: and if both doen't ship, no winners, but lot of lols
pankkake: perhaps lols aren't worth 1% fee
mike_c: soccer (er, futbol) lines resolve 3 ways. maybe 'draw' should be a betting option.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well if you truly believe it is a cripple fight, the solution is bet No and wait for March 1st
pankkake: I feel like BFL will ship first, though the lols provided would be payment enough
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well you chose the same yes side I did. I'm not sure activeminer is even as much of a thing so I placed it as no with them both not delivering hoping it might get action at least as a BFL delivery bet.
pankkake: well the order website states november delivery
pankkake: so logically, VMC should ship before BFL announcing december
mike_c: well, as long as all possibilites are reasonable, it doesn't have to suck. horse races are parimutuel and have 8-12 outcomes
pankkake: MP logic "it doesn't work on my system, so it sucks"
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well the butthurt from the ActiveMining fans that their being delivered pays as no delivery at all should lead to some entertaining butthurt, and what is Bitcoin without Butt?
mircea_popescu: mike_c we are looking into perhaps making multi bets, it's not too hard to do, but tbh the mindfuck may be too much for the userbase.
☟︎ pankkake: I don't know if I could fix myself to be less of a hater. I regularly fail
pankkake: a good idea would probably to find out actual interesting bets that would need it
mircea_popescu: soccer still sucks, becauyse "draw" is fucking meaningless.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, a horse race say, should have a win for each horse
mircea_popescu: just... not much horse racing in btc. since the demise of the satoshi demon gal.
mike_c: agree with the mindfuck aspect of the problem. reject/accept bet ratio could get way out of wack.
mircea_popescu: for one. for the other, i'd have a "but i meant to bet on x3, misclicked bet on x5, bitbet is a scam now" stuff
mike_c: yeah, but that just drives more traffic as far as i can tell.
mircea_popescu: still, you know. contrary to what the forum would have itself think, bitbet is designed to prevent as much of this as possible
pankkake: the bet address page restates the bet
mircea_popescu: which includes waiting fucking hours to close bets etc.
mircea_popescu: pankkake people never read restatements. because it's below them to do such humiliating thing.
pankkake: I always do it because I'm a careful paranoid person
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 985.0, Best ask: 986.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 985.0, 24 hour volume: 42381.76664170, 24 hour low: 894.0, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 974.96278
mircea_popescu: thanks god i didn't have a bet with anyone or anything.
dexX7: are there any cases that people reported scams to the feds and what happend then? pirateat40 excluded
mircea_popescu: dexX7 the only successful scam resolution that i know of,
ozbot: BitBet - BTC will rise above $1500 USD before February 2014
kakobrekla: dexX7 pirate beat his wifey and ended up in jail
mircea_popescu: is one case when a forum group organised and got avalon to deliver to them the items ordered by the scammer
dexX7: the guy with the socket
kakobrekla: i knew he was up to no good as soon as i saw HUGO shirt
mircea_popescu: the unsuccessful case is, of course, the case of the birtcoinica people, who had their btc sent to mtgox,
mircea_popescu: well, what was left of their btc anyway, 15% or whatever it was.
pankkake: I wouldn't trust people with this shirt either
pankkake: I don't trust people who dress in white too
nubbins`: he's actually wearing two hugo boss shirts
kakobrekla: we call people who dress like that "cefurji"
pankkake: two? that's like the multiple popped collar
pankkake: I have a thing for women dressed in black
pankkake: but yes indeed ThickAsThieves :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00084209 = 2.021 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00350001 = 0.273 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.39074997 = 3.9075 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39799996 BTC [+]
pankkake: the only hip hop I listen to is dälek, but this is nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 49 @ 0.00226 = 0.1107 BTC [-]
pankkake: oh I thought you would know them already
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39799996 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: iirc there was some bug found in bitmessage which made the whole thing completley insecure
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I though that was CryptoCat, I haven't heard about anything like that with BitMessage yet. I've not used Bitmessage though because the people who use it seem way too derpy.
pankkake: cryptocat was broken by design
pankkake: bitmessage had a flaw I forgot which
pankkake: I tried to use it, but just leaving it running used too much power
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 68 @ 0.0034326 = 0.2334 BTC [-] {2}
KRS1: shiet, its magic internet money nigga
pankkake: not sure if teenager spelling is cleartext
kakobrekla: merged with skype since ms has the skype keys anyway
pankkake: a part of my childhood, killed by the evil empire
kakobrekla: i used that thing but i was on irc way before
pankkake: hmm that too, but msn was mostly for normal people
kakobrekla: even when i didnt even have a computer at home
nubbins`: i was i think 13 when i discovered irc
kakobrekla: the lib was a good place to pick up girls though
pankkake: yeah, actually some girls were on irc
kakobrekla: i admint, i found the current one on irc.
Sebastan: is the purpose of this chatroom to get informed about trades of securities that paid for being tracked here?
pankkake: I think exchanges close before they can implement assbot communication
nubbins`: Sebastan: i'm no t sure anyone pays
Sebastan: so at the end its a chat loosely speaking about bitcoin securities?
kakobrekla: you dont have to say it like you sound dissapointed
pankkake: if you're looking for trades theres #bitcoin-assets-trades
kakobrekla: best way to find out is to stay around and see, also check the log!
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1034.1, Best ask: 1039.5, Bid-ask spread: 5.40000, Last trade: 1039.5, 24 hour volume: 37177.24309324, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1073.0, 24 hour vwap: 984.54527
mircea_popescu: Sebastan it's the smoking lounge the nyse wishes it had, basically.
lyspooner: what is firstblockchain.com? do they have company polo shirts? stress balls?
nubbins`: i don't think it's called a stress ball if you sit on it
pankkake: if any of you tinfoil hats use openbsd, you can now donate to them with bitcoin
lyspooner: should i read the log or did you just make fun of him?
nubbins`: "OpenBSD: Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!"
kakobrekla: "Never ever hacked. ~ A block of granit"
lyspooner: i can see that it's incorporated in the blockchain, but i can't see what it does
dub: "*BSD: just slam your dick in a door a few times then install debian"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.03210208 = 0.1926 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 48 @ 0.03104832 = 1.4903 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: I too once had a stateless corporation, until I opened the box and its state was revealed to as dead. Or maybe it was a cat...
lyspooner: how about proof of existence... is that a nice thing?
lyspooner: like, the website, not the proof that one exists
lyspooner: or how about a more general questions for the group here: are there any bitcoin companies that use the blockchain in unique ways and produce revenue, other than provably fair casinos or notarial services?
mircea_popescu: provably fair gambling is so far the most notable practical use of the blockchain.
lyspooner: can't we extend provable fairness elsewhere and make money?
mircea_popescu: there MAY be some use of the blockchain to force distribution of inheritances according to the will of the deceased and without possibility of taxation or other interference
kakobrekla: so with the recent update in btc price, .bit tld seems plausible
kakobrekla: you can sell sex.bit for millions allover again
mircea_popescu: lol. that may be a business idea, i recall we discussed it earlier this year
TomServo: Speaking of tlds, what was with the latest batch? .plumbing? really?
TomServo: could probably have some fun with them but... wtf
mircea_popescu: personally i doubt a new tld is worth the money, but hey.
mircea_popescu: maybe you manage to sell 100k domains for .01 each or so
ThickAsThieves: yeah once you can have all of them, they are all worthless
Venat: bit4x, such money. much earn, believe its bitcoin. many currency, so fair. wow
mircea_popescu: pankkake “I’m thinking of selling 10,000 ActM shares for 0.0019 and buying LC @ 0.0007 for 27,142 shares.”
lyspooner: i can't go on a cheap date for 1 BTC
mircea_popescu: ltc has no central bank. it shall suffar the fate of free markets. boom an' boost.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 305 @ 0.00187 = 0.5704 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.38998569 = 2.7299 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00377446 = 0.3774 BTC [+] {8}
gribble: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 13 seconds
ozbot: 609482679.88835 | Next Diff in 334 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.1735% in 2d 0h 9m 2s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 422 @ 0.00186571 = 0.7873 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.031 = 0.62 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 466 @ 0.00183469 = 0.855 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37520002 BTC [-]
Venat: wow, such difficulty
dub: used to be about US$100k for 1ld iirc
dub: needs vetted by some cadre of policy wonks tho
mircea_popescu: i'll probably buy a tesla before i buy domains. seems beyond retarded to me
mircea_popescu: (recall, i'm the guy that ran bitcoin's premier stock exchange as a subdir for years)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.0236 = 0.2596 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you should get it and make yourself a biz card reading
pankkake: the u's aren't symetrical, it bothers me
kakobrekla: 22:30.55 ( mircea_popescu ) sex.colored-person
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37521 BTC [+]
pankkake: the weirdest tld is .xxx. it's like having a .internet
dub: .tube would probably be a winner
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37521001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.37521 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2506 @ 0.00084082 = 2.1071 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00009504 = 0.1901 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0003 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 0.21 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 33 @ 0.14858958 = 4.9035 BTC [-] {9}
ThickAsThieves: another problem with telling people socially you dabble in bitcoin, seeing them all again on Thanksgiving
jborkl: I don't tell anyone at all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-]
mike_c: tell them you lost on jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 8557 BTC profit, 50.8k BTC invested, 298.84 mio bets, 4.54 mio BTC wagered
pankkake: sadly ×10 of not much is not much
mike_c: they will stop seeing you as a resource.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 38 @ 0.10745351 = 4.0832 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 27.85312800 BTC to 13`950 shares, 199664 satoshi per share
mike_c: then he'll be mad he didn't get any.
thestringpuller: how come no coinapult associates are ever in this channel?
mike_c: coinapult is by somebody famous.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 6.35923722 BTC to 335`226 shares, 1897 satoshi per share
pankkake: webcams are supposed to have a led when they're on
pankkake: but I think you can control it for some
kakobrekla: cause now its just more stuff i must have
pankkake: I have a cam, but it's filming my doorway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5125 @ 0.00169455 = 8.6846 BTC [-] {22}
dub: isn't it hearn or somesuch scumbag
dub: good lukc buying a lappy without cam btw
pankkake: they hid it from you kakobrekla
pankkake: you just don't know where it is
pankkake: pics on the internet show a com on x220
kakobrekla: i think it has to do with the wifi card dub
kakobrekla: i got the one which has some moar antennas up there
pankkake: and that removes the cam. good to know
dub: mine has wifi and 3G/LTE antenna up thurr
dub: face it yours isi bootleg eastyurope version
kakobrekla: i had the option of cam and crappier wifi
dub: corporate t430s has one though
kakobrekla: but im not a camwhore and i need signal
dub: security tards and NSA watching me jerkit
dub: that might be a diff
dub: idk if mine is ips, don't think so
dub: mrsdub has baller dell IPS
dub: for fotoshopping selfies
dub: its pretty nice to look at
kakobrekla: as far as i can see its about 3x3 antenna
dub: instead it broadcasts RF imaging signal to get 3d radar of you jerking
dub: they can't tell that you're using sandpaper instead of lube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5166 @ 0.00084082 = 4.3437 BTC [-]
ozbot: Twitter / JournalistsLike: Best firefighter name. Ever. ...
dub: mp should change name to McCoiny
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02329899 = 0.2097 BTC [-]
pankkake: indeed, anyone using webchat is evil
sn00py: im new to all bitcoin stuff and im thinking about investing in some type of coin is there a website that you can buy and sell or trade different type of coins?
mircea_popescu: sn00py listen, if you're new you should be reading not investing.
sn00py: i been reading just asking lol
kakobrekla: different types of coins? colored coins?
lyspooner: sn00py, don't invest in a coin, embrace a coin
mircea_popescu: there are coins you can get, most of which aren't worth it.
lyspooner: like, actually know it and love it and never want to sell it
mircea_popescu: there are securities you can buy, most of which niot worth it
dub: speaking of jacking it, just noticed the 12 hours of peepeecoin mining I did is now worth 200btc
dub: who said alt coins where stoopid
ozbot: Bitcoin Blockchain Forked By Backward-Compatibility Issue - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: "I really wonder if my Bitcoins will be worth anything in a few years."
pankkake: ppcoin 15% more profitable to mine than btc. something doesn't sound right
kakobrekla: such things happen all the time pankkake it just does not last
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.3601 = 10.0828 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: I've seen it happen but not as much
sn00py: oh ok ill just keep researching lol
pankkake: in a few years we'll separate people who say my bitcoin from people who say my bitcoins
mircea_popescu: "That value will probably be the cost of the electricity to run whatever the last ASIC miner produced is, at least before general purpose GPUs become more powerful than ASICs."
mircea_popescu: incredibly insightful. you ppl should read slashdot more often
pankkake: it used to be better (yeah, get off my lawn)
dub: slash is hte asshole of the avg internet commenters asshole
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.361 = 0.722 BTC [+]
pankkake: reddit tells you everyone's opinion is interesting
dub: the only reddit I read is r/spacedicks
mircea_popescu: "made" = assembled out of stolen bits they didn't understand.
pankkake: typical reddit submission is "my daughter made this" (obvious stolen content)
ThickAsThieves: After the April crash, I bet a friend $1,000.00 that Bitcoin would be worth $1,000.00 before December 31, 2013.
lyspooner: perhaps the person was already suitably long bitcoin
pankkake: buy a bitcoin with it, give it to the friend
ThickAsThieves: "In 2011 I got back from iraq with more than 40k saved up from both my bonus and unspent pay. I went homeless after dumping everything I had into bittcoins, and today I am a millionaire."
ozbot: Bitcoin circlejerk
mircea_popescu: ok, bitbet update : we had a crash on the systems doing payments.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3255 @ 0.00025952 = 0.8447 BTC [-] {15}
mircea_popescu: this is why some payments have been delayed. nothing is lost etcetc.
mircea_popescu: cpu burned. had it replaced. txn should be broadcasting within an hour or so.
pankkake: cpu burned? labcoin had better excuses
ThickAsThieves: I mumbled something about bitcoin to flirt with a checkout lady 4 years ago. She didn't trust me but they all invested $10,000. Today I went in to find they are all billionaires and I crowd surfed the workers around the store.
mircea_popescu: pankkake yes, it burned. with the fan still attached and spinning
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.35861774 = 1.7931 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: you must have crappy power or something with all those issues
mircea_popescu: can you have personally bad power on separate landmasses ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 487 @ 0.00029998 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: you cant personally have anything you dont personally have
mircea_popescu: i like to think it's just because i own/run so much equipment that statistically this is "normal"
ozbot: Petition to the Global NWO Government to Increase Chemtrail Spraying | CommunityRun
dub: better comments within
pankkake: reports from hosters always felt fishy to me. like "we replaced the motherboard" but the shit is still crashing
TomServo: Was that the last non-virtualized webserver?
mircea_popescu: my my assets is becoming popular these days. hello Mr_Steve
Mr_Steve: I was wondering if a bet has paid out yet
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000
mircea_popescu: Mr_Steve i just made an update re that. it's not, should be ~1 hr
Mr_Steve: Answered my own question, thank you lol
mircea_popescu: "A cryptographic currency system needs to be secure regardless of how it is implemented"
ozbot: Bitcoin Blockchain Forked By Backward-Compatibility Issue - Slashdot
dimitriyremerov: mircea_popescu: hello, but for new I prefer just to read, because I'm new and I want more knowledge before I consider myself as ready for talking.
ThickAsThieves: i have a new cryptographic implementation: send me all your bitcoins
mircea_popescu: log.bitcoin-assets.com if you get done with the live log.
lewicki: tat, think the neo pr will be out tonight?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 6689 @ 0.00147996 = 9.8995 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 294 @ 0.0034597 = 1.0172 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1069 @ 0.00341585 = 3.6515 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.01812296 = 0.9061 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 254 @ 0.003411 = 0.8664 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 14 @ 0.10142857 = 1.42 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.003411 = 0.6617 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 44 @ 0.01150001 = 0.506 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 2078 @ 0.00006162 = 0.128 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1006 @ 0.00022002 = 0.2213 BTC [-] {4}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1080.01001, Best ask: 1094.794, Bid-ask spread: 14.78399, Last trade: 1080.01001, 24 hour volume: 37060.78677051, 24 hour low: 914.31556, 24 hour high: 1094.794, 24 hour vwap: 999.4886
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.003411 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {3}