mthreat: mircea_popescu: I've heard (unverified) that there is some law about requiring sale of condoms in bathrooms here
mircea_popescu: dude the fucking weird laws they have, texas is nothing compared
mthreat: mircea_popescu: even the women's bathrooms often have condom machines
mircea_popescu: mthreat no even there. us condom dispenser machines are in girl's bathrooms too
mircea_popescu: i think i even have pics published on trilema somewhere of this in san antonio tx
BingoBoingo: Ah, Texas has some weird laws... I don't think it is legal for a Texan to make eye contact with a Steer and not offer it a handjob.
mthreat: i've seen them in texas, but i'm not aware of any law there
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone's aware of what the laws are, in texas :D
BingoBoingo: One of the things I miss about Missouri was its general lack of laws
BingoBoingo: I thank the Busch dynasty for that (Beer Busches, not politics Bushes)
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BingoBoingo: Were we still looking at the back part of July?
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mircea_popescu: ok so i ended up picking a link from someone in here and writing a fucking important and grandiose piece.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is that cat any closer to being tamed?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the requirement was to know what it does. you proposing bar too high ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All you need to do is move it to being wild, free, and attuned to your air defense needs.
assbot: am i really a good person?
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BingoBoingo wonders if Yarvin will revise the Urbit metaphor again when Bitcoin becomes a Naval power...
BingoBoingo: Imagined Urbit Progression: Feudalism >> Flotilla >> Trucking Company >> Single Toyota Hillux >> Truckstop Bathroom >> Condom on the floor of said bathroom >> Semen in the Condom >> AIDs
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BingoBoingo: Interesting that web archeology is a big enough project that there can now be subject specialists.
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it <<
mircea_popescu: similarly, managing noise levels in your building is not something you do anonymously.
benkay: oh yeah. when neighbors act up, i go over in my underoos and say "hi. please stop."
BingoBoingo: I like my current level of OL vs. IRL identity taint which is nearly complete, but maintained because I like it and it keep sthe lowest nags away.
BingoBoingo: I've heard... cycling my Mossberg tends to quiet the neighborhood from third hand reports...
BingoBoingo actually fancies the eventual acquisition of z-weighted storm shutters.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, wind storms are a thing here and... should a hot war start with a nuclear power... I live all to close to Air Mobility command atm to count on these plastic window blinds to save me from radiation poisoning while I wait out the initial fallout's decay.
BingoBoingo: Bunkers and chemsuits would be a bit much here. It's not that close and the wind tend to be favorable... I'm more concerned about the windstorms, but if I'm protecting against that unlike the neighbors buying new windows might as well find a solution that offers utility in a few more situations.
BingoBoingo: I mean unless Russian and Chinese missile guidance is that shitty... Then... I'm fucked...
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was kind of hoping the Russianmilitary reforms from Georgia to Crimea would have also been evidenced in the missile fleet...
BingoBoingo: So... I could be fucked both ways... Loud radio caucophany is my anti-tempest strategy...
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benkay: see, cascadia's full of rad old coots
BingoBoingo: Yeah, US has been using it against any afghan with a Sat phone.
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BingoBoingo: Ah, the if Oracle was a Defense Contractor strategy............ =====
mircea_popescu: <benkay> <mircea_popescu> benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors. << and peeing ?
BingoBoingo: Unless the neighbors are British... They probably have countermeasures for that by now...
dub: benkay reinforces another jew stereotype
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison << i heard the same story passed off as successful intel mission, stole
mircea_popescu: the crucial bit of spec, rendered whole thing useless.
mike_c: what does ring pattern have to do with it? HARM busts up jammers regardless I thought
mike_c: just homes in on strongest source.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm guessing you never got the Radio merit badge in the Boyu Scouts?
mircea_popescu: mike_c if properly geometrically spaced the harm misses
mike_c: what, it plunks in the middle?
mircea_popescu: or yeah i guess asciilifeform's version is even better.
mike_c: well, there is the other easy way to hose gps jammers.
mike_c: as long as you know which way is up..
mike_c: ignore signals from down.
mircea_popescu: mike_c you can't always identify directionality like that
mike_c: not always, but when you are designing for it you can.
BingoBoingo: And it must be remembered "ring does not necessarily mean 1 ring or centered rings
mircea_popescu: plenty of times the sattelites will be under your horizon
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> signal from the genuine gps sat is... below thermal noise. << exactly, and directionality is w-expensive.
BingoBoingo: Subtly move the center of the complex from the 1337 command center to the squash court
jborkl: My server has been at 70k kbps for the last 24 hours
jborkl: Not sure if it is traffic or ?
mike_c: asciilifeform: i am thinking. but i believe this problem has been worked on over the years. like with stronger gps sats, no?
mircea_popescu: mike_c sort-of. obviously it's an endless battle etc. but it's not nearly as lopsided as you seem to think.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: GPS sats only get so strong. Most "GPS" relies on indigenous signals to achieve a finer resolution
mike_c: i think it wasn't that lopsided in operation saddam
mircea_popescu: mike_c actually the 2nd gulf war was probably the pinacle of us military tech advantage
mircea_popescu: and i'll be it'll never be reached again in the lifetime of that republic.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile opponent is researching how to fuck with the [measured] gravity
BingoBoingo: And the US is abandoning it's premier attack aircraft...
mike_c: yeah but we got lots of uav's
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the chinese extremely heavy investment in cheap, easy to deploy, rocket defenses and the way research has been going, it's quite clear we're entering another pikeman phase.
BingoBoingo: The pikeman phase was my least favorite part of Civ II
BingoBoingo: Unless facing Ghandi when it becomes the nuclear age.
mircea_popescu: problem is civ was written from a broken (french revolutionary) pov.
mircea_popescu: were you born in a less dumb culture it'd have been more pleasant.
BingoBoingo: Well, I eventually started playing Civ with the aim of maintaining an Iberian City state and nothing else...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this may then be relevant to your interests :
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Never had access to the civilopedia... Civ II was the only Civ at walmart and I was running a 486 at the time
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was in game, but... beyond my ability to load... Even Windows software back then was modular enough the rest of the game worked.
BingoBoingo: That is a beautiful situation you fell into
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BingoBoingo: Another thing I loved about the early civ games was "customizing" the sprites and rules.
BingoBoingo: Nothing to be ashamed of. The thing is back then, that was the fun.
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BingoBoingo: rules.txt has to be one of my top 5 favorite files of all time
jborkl: So I am guessing I am getting ddos ? My CDN also says it served 200mb today. I will have to use tcpdump tomorrow
BingoBoingo: Wait, drug trafickers use voice on VHF? not Morse plus One time pad?
assbot: Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: trilema serves 5gb a day on average. maybe you're just becoming famous ?
BingoBoingo: Fuck... If Farc catches me... I might get an actual IT job.
jborkl: Well I guess that is what I am trying to figure out
benkay: <BingoBoingo> Fuck... If Farc catches me... I might get an actual IT job. // worse things could happen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still with the fucking pdfs. anything good in that sandkey thing ?
benkay: no need to apologize for my poor education
benkay: agenture - huh, as in the acts of agents?
BingoBoingo: Oh, that was an interesting link to cause Firefox to crash...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How do I get a stack trace?
BingoBoingo: You have to remember, Librarian... HTML and twitter were what we called technology
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benkay: downloading, but it's definitely going in below the Hathaway letters.
assbot: [@ SetStyleSheetReference] - Firefox 29.0 Crash Report - Report ID: ef1152b5-3111-4239-a51b-0065c2140611
diametric: asciilifeform: you're still online, so i take it you didn't drown today
BingoBoingo: Fuck, why is Nigbuntu still running on any of my machines.
BingoBoingo: NIGbuntu is trying to tell me I don't have any system logger
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can I trust you if I send you this machine's Var partition all GPG'd up somehow?
BingoBoingo: Or... this SSD is getting up there in years... Might be time to get a barrel...
BingoBoingo: A bit of anthracite and oak should get NAND up to adequate temperatures.
BingoBoingo: But... How do I cook porksteaks on a Jar...
BingoBoingo: It makes me stronger in death... I shall not decompose...
BingoBoingo: So for purposes where linux is not readily replaced by a BSD I might need a new flavor. Is gentoo the consensus sane choice?
benkay: what exiled you from bsd?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ThickasTheives Altcoin is holding me back.
BingoBoingo: I'm also wondering did firefox crash because of tabs or because of Cryptome. Cryptome crashing Firefox seems like a sloppy thing, but then aain they passed Snowden on the background check
dub: ff crashed because ff
BingoBoingo: I embrace bad life decisions like that. I detest Bicycles though because they endager nerves that are too valuable...
BingoBoingo: It isn't just that it crashed, it is that it can't copy /var into a .tar.gz in a timely manner.
BingoBoingo: Even if it isn't exploited it sucks around the edges.
Namworld: At last. Each time I tried to reconnect I was disconnected after like 1 second.
BingoBoingo: Nah, hanging, because blocking itself in a controlled way. One core is at 100% the other lazing like usual.
BingoBoingo: Hmmm... OpenSolaris has a Linux compatibility layer and I like CDE... Never tried it on the Portable yet...
BingoBoingo: The problem with Minix is when I read a FAQ and they assume a hypervisor... It's like a girl taking off her panties to release the smell of Candida...
decimation: asciilifeform: so I see you tried kicad - that seems to be the latest open source fad cad
BingoBoingo: I'd confess I'm tempted to run A/UX on this machine in a hypervisor, but... I don't want this channel to assume stockholm syndrome...
decimation: heh. wouldn't suprise me. For some weird reason the only working ee design software runs on windows
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decimation: back in my undergrad days we used to use orcad on solaris - I'm sure support for that was dropped long ago
decimation: well, and 5,000 versions of spice, all of which suck
assbot: Qucs project: Quite Universal Circuit Simulator
decimation: wrt the autorouter, I think it is well known in the pcb industry that they all suck
decimation: seems like that problem is due for a really good ai based solver
decimation: well, many problems are NP-complete yet significant gains have been made
decimation: I remember orcad's autorouter was crap back in the day. I would be deeply disappointed to shell out $$$ and have crapware
BingoBoingo: My this looks so much better (Plz noone try to send me N.vir over client to client)...
decimation: yeah that's a good point, that's why the software companies get away with charging $$$ for crapware
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decimation: "we'll fix it in in the next release, etc"
decimation: Today I went snorkeling in the shadow of Larry Ellison's private island
BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon"
decimation: it amazes me that crapware can buy a such real estate
BingoBoingo wonder this if this nest of lies within lies can work on the portable...
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure one of these layers have grep....
BingoBoingo: I have to say I constantly under rate the Sun 5
decimation: from surfing the various VHDL crapware packages, it seems the universal language for automation is... tcl
BingoBoingo: Their promotion of TCL is what pushed them into making and forcing Java
BingoBoingo: Or Maybe just I burn, because I need to rotate this pizza box that has been running for months.
decimation: amazingly, the overlap between those who know how to actually program and those who demand design software is nearly the null set
BingoBoingo: Also amazing is how there is no effort to educate people into the overlap
decimation: something other than market forces are operating here
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decimation: about a third of my us ee undergrad class was chinese (like off the boat, not second generation). Most of them couldn't design anything, but they generally aced the math tests
BingoBoingo: "Smoking rock candy is a great way to gain all the social benefits of meth use with none of the open sores.
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decimation: ascii that is a good insight (lack of engineers caring about their own lives), the irony is that those who are designing hardware generally care an aweful lot about the efficiency of their design target
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BingoBoingo: I have a feeling many famous last words begin with "I'm switching to CERN linux, no way the NSA fucks with science..."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was it price of principle that kept the symbolics pagemaster from parting with their schematics...
BingoBoingo: ;;google adam sandler "the price is wrong"
decimation: apparently there is a massive demoer scene for super mario brothers X
decimation: goes to show how forgotten symbolics is I guess
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BingoBoingo: A drive sounds tempting atm, furthest east I;ve been is 'New Harmony" Indiana. I still need to drink on this matter some more.
BingoBoingo: Reti did that beautiful presentation you embeded.
decimation: I wonder if you can run modern emacs on one of those things
decimation: reminds me of that "rabite" guy that MP recently unarchived
BingoBoingo: Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz.
decimation: wouldn't be surprising. USG has all kinds of ancient irreplacable computer systems
BingoBoingo: Wealth in itself is nothing without taste.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I envy you that Sympolics ended on a high note and Apple outlived its masterpiece the SE/30.
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decimation: Interesting. Fort Belvoir. Someone in DoD is a fan of these things
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's my Urbit one. Apparently the Google/NSA complex really dislikes Nock too....
decimation: well, $10k per year is hardly worth much. but if one could resurrect the whole project, complete with hardware...
BingoBoingo: Can and Can pretend, this distinction enabled the F-35
decimation: well, the can be "replaced", FAA style
BingoBoingo: Airplanes hit the road as well. I hope I can find a kind Brazillian tribe to adopt a pastie like me when America surrenders the world's only successful CAS plane.
assbot: Standard Terminal Automation Replacement System (STARS)
decimation: this reminds me of the "point of sale" system upgrades I've witnessed at various US bodegas
decimation: old mainframe based serial terminals - reliable and invulnerable to hackers (at least, at the lowest layers)
BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog???
decimation: how could any thinking person consider a winblows interface an 'upgrade'?
decimation: using a mouse on a cash register is going to be demonstrably slower for data entry for one thing
BingoBoingo: decimation: THe use case I find for fancier DE's over wimple wm's is portables. Smaller the machine the more pointy clicky is a benefit.
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decimation: well portable ipad based bodegas or whatever are a corner case. I'm talking about Target
decimation: I wonder if whoever decided to "upgrade" the target POS system to winblows was fired or promoted?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Really. Clitoral mouse pushes me into a left side xfce panel.
decimation: I recently decided to force myself to use emacs for sole text editor, took me about a week to get the movement stuff down. THere's no excuse for a cash register not to be purely keyboard basd
BingoBoingo: decimation: What about bar codes. Reisters are run by tards.
decimation: bar code readers are a trival add-on character device
BingoBoingo: Also.. am I actually drunk or am I coding messages...
decimation: I remember my high school days worked at the local library - used IBM serial terminal with "scan gun" that would insert code at the appropriate spot on the terminal screen
BingoBoingo: And when the hell will Pinay cam girls start shaving...
decimation: yeah exactly with great model m style keyboards
decimation: I think unisys bought the main library vendor
BingoBoingo: I still can't fucking believe RDF beat Dublin core.
BingoBoingo: And I have yet to verify a nigger with black skin. I've only met white niggers.
decimation: re: managerial traitors : the problem is that somehow standard criminal and civil liability law doesn't apply for some reason
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decimation: the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water)
BingoBoingo: Are there any lawyers in the Illinois bar here? I'd be interested in making contact if so.
decimation: her estate is suing pratt & whittney for not having fixed the "forseeable" problem of the metal fatigue destroying a prop
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I've have never been measured having a "normal" heart beat.
decimation: how the hell does she get the right to sue a real engine maker, yet no one can sue larry ellison (she died not far from his private hawaiian island)
BingoBoingo: Because Pratt is in the engine industry and Ellison is in the problem industry.
BingoBoingo: Also aside from torsades de points no ununsual heart beats are that... rare
decimation: well, "died of cardiac arrythmia" could be more properly stated as "died of being old, fat and out of shape"
BingoBoingo: Some people therapeutically have abnormal heartbeats
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decimation: yeah no doubt, but those people probably could be identified and treated with various medical devices
BingoBoingo: What devices, hearts are easy to treat pharmaceutically. Hearts are awfully deterministic for organic machines.
decimation: ascii, I'm reluctant to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon because the usg seems unable to accomplish anything "good" very well
decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well?
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BingoBoingo: All of those are too obvious vor contemporary assassinations. What about was prescribed too much Vitamin D3?
BingoBoingo: Well, my father liked to see records of how much strontium 90 us younguns got growing up. A few weeks after a med adjustment his heart gave out, but he had great bones...
BingoBoingo: The thing is I would have had no idea until I was accidentallied the pharmacy school's microphone slave.
BingoBoingo: I seriously wonder what will happen now at the late August court date since... I am not an idiot and the acting DA should not be an idiot and is not inocent.
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BingoBoingo: I mean the Federalk government has all of these weird laws to blow the whistle on.
BingoBoingo: Most people can survive the regime on civilized arrangements.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've been dping that since the not at all secret saturday reveal. I am disappoint
BingoBoingo: Oh, someone else is using the nick Tater Totz
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The reference is merely to the pseudo source of carbo hydrates.
BingoBoingo: Dogs are too much better than us to suffer much
assbot: I'm a big Matt Carpenter fan. But, for Pete's sake, swing the bat! /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash
justusranvier: I am rather fond of them but I wouldn't go so far as to say "better than us".
BingoBoingo: justusranvier: Name a single person other people would knwo who inheres the property of being innocent...
assbot: On The Superiority of Monarchy (or, adnotations to Why the Worst Get on Top) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: Also, I am probably never refering to canonical's product ever again as anything but nigbuntu. Even Windows is almost better.
BingoBoingo: Because in dutch "nig" and "ignorant" resolve to the same root word.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i do :) i should clean up some of my scripts and publish them sometime.. << prolly.
BingoBoingo: Also, seriously, nothing was logging system faults. I share some blame for not ensuring this, but... Who the fuck did I expect to do this.
BingoBoingo: Lazy ass watermelon eating Mark Shuttleworth.
BingoBoingo: Makes me hope there is NEVER a new Rhodesia.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Firefox crashed opening a cryptome link.
BingoBoingo: I assumed all crashes were logged, but I was too niggardly to make sure.
BingoBoingo: Now I'm connected to IRC through a pile of lies.
BingoBoingo: Also... I'm glad I never turn the Ultra 5 off
mircea_popescu: davout: do i read this one correctly or is euronext valued somewhere around a fifth of whatsapp << if you believe the numbers, yes.
BingoBoingo: Za mean nothing now that South africa has the abreviation. Where did the great Rhodesia go???
BingoBoingo: Never since Adrian IV has someone squandered prominence as much as Shuttlecock has.
mircea_popescu: to auto-voice you need to a) identify with gribble. you don't need gpg for this, tho gpg works. you can also identify with your btc address ; b) be in assbot's l2 trust.
mircea_popescu: you currently are not, which is why assbot isn't upping you.
BingoBoingo: Through this mess of VM's I'll also say the portale's original Mobo is dead. Fuck you '12 BIOS update.
assbot: Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im justannoyed that people like mises and hayek, ultimate fucking socialists, are represented as some sort of anti-socialism.
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit, collectivists arguing with each other as to the proper way to the gallows, pretending like it's a world.
mircea_popescu: there's this very active, latin approach to leadership that i object to.
mircea_popescu: your leader is not fucking here to tell you what to do.
BingoBoingo: My favorite part of C machines is their capacity for deception.
mircea_popescu: jurov: bitcoin is registered trademark nao << always has been. by... mtgox. bcause... "it;'s better someone with bitcoin's interests at heart have the tm than someone random"
mircea_popescu: now it will be bought for pennies in a court auction, and you will ALL have to be on my pissing on patents submarine, willy-nilly.
mircea_popescu: well, the dorks that made bitcoin* stuff, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: drawingthesun: I shudder to think what people have said about ActiveMining here << lol fluffypony who's she ?
BingoBoingo: It is truly amazing what happens when you walk a disgraced judge's steps backwards a few steps.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: French hair salons love word plays in their names. it's ridiculous << the lumbar yard!
BingoBoingo: I know I've played chess here a few times. In the interim have batter cess players found their way here?
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 12 hours, 19 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <moiety> ok moving time, see yous later!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Manul won't counter my Pirc defense with an Austrian attack so boring...
BingoBoingo: Missouri is the only US state that keeps the promise.
decimation: mircea_popescu - your intro to the Hayek post calls to mind Mr. Moldbug's point about "chronic kinglessness"
decimation: most of the west would be unable to pass the test of being willing to happily die for the wishes of a particular man or set of men
decimation: yeah, when you think clearly about the nature of soveriegnty, it becomes obvious
decimation: also, modern china, singapore, dubai, etc show that "totalitarianism" (lack of collectivism?) is hardly a barrier to economic development
decimation: yeah that's a good point. I guess the reason I "credit" him is because he was the one who brought me out of my ignorance on the subject
BingoBoingo actually had a grad class that spent a few weeks on the Leary papers.
decimation: but there is no doubt that it is ancient complaint
decimation: the complaint about the degenerate nature of democracy (and its various aliases)?
mircea_popescu: among people who comprehend the nature of freedom, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: which is notreally distinct from the nature of sovereignity.
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BingoBoingo: There are geographic anamalies that break democracies and republics, the premier example of which is Illinois.
decimation: my brain recalls moldbug's discussion of cis vs. trans democracy
decimation: yeah, he has mastered that "alien" form of thinking
BingoBoingo: WTF is cs vs. trans. SHould be dex vs. levo...
decimation: well, I don't think he's an expert chemist...
assbot: Why is there Anti-Intellectualism?
BingoBoingo: That isn't expert shit, that is learning things rotate shit.
mircea_popescu: too many kids running around, raising kids of their own
decimation: asciilifeform, that's a brilliant essay, thanks for the link.
decimation: It strikes me that curiousity is a feature of genetic expression
mircea_popescu: that's also why it continues to exist after havingkilled numerous cats
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 260 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 4k High: 144 Low: 143 VWAP: 143
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0243847 = 0.1219 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Sub-Saharan Africans never discovered Madagascar. Madagascar was settled initially by sailors from Indonesia"
mircea_popescu: Africans never discovered nearby islands like the Cape Verde archipelago.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00085347 = 4.6087 BTC [-]
assbot: Why is there Anti-Intellectualism?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00085347 = 0.2134 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07035599 = 0.6332 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06988 = 0.6988 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0700002 = 0.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085609 = 0.6849 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07 = 1.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00085609 = 9.5026 BTC [+]
dub: is buttpay having issues anyone is aware of?
dub: namecheap can't take my coinz
fluffypony: dub: I made a BTC payment to NameCheap yesterday
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-]
dub: not happneing, they have acknowledged a problem
assbot: Namecheap Status » [Updated] BitCoin Connectivity Issues
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.02890909 = 0.318 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Who needs air? (Better Quality) - YouTube
assbot: Electronics shops in Hua Qiang Bei, Shenzhen, China - YouTube
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 80 @ 0.01801326 = 1.4411 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.02439593 = 1.6589 BTC [+] {5}
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.251 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.254 = 1.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.255 = 1.275 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25888887 = 0.5178 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2608 = 1.304 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Firefox 30 Available, Firebug 2.0 Released - Slashdot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 650 @ 0.00085609 = 0.5565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00085442 = 1.7943 BTC [-]
assbot: BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`875 (100`000 to 1)
pankkake: "If the most optimistic predictions for am's performance come true, I will be able to cover my losses from virtually every other garbage scheme I bought into, plus some." bitcointalk, still looking at a bailout
davout: as in, it can have revenue but still be unprofitable due to expenses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.0299999 = 0.51 BTC [+]
chetty: It’s hard to deny just how poorly Chicago’s public schools are performing when it hits you in the face. Such is the case with Paul Robeson High School’s 2014 prom theme: “This is Are Story.”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 122 @ 0.01800022 = 2.196 BTC [-] {3}
chetty: pankkake, to be fair Obama hasn't been around long enough to ruin the HS kids
chetty: well he didn't go to HS there, but if he did that might explain a lot
dub: its a story about pirates
assbot: Analysis of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Chip Prevalence in 3 Discrete United States Populations – WIT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.261 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7761 @ 0.00085426 = 6.6299 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0693002 = 0.1386 BTC [-] {2}
dub: I'd like to know whats on the chip
dub: one of our american brothers should dump one
chetty: shouldnt be that hard to get a filling replaced and check it out
dub: should be able to just scan it
dub IPO's the Personal Faraday Cage
assbot: Struttergear: Strutter Bubble - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0698 = 0.698 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.029999 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: Bitcoin Betting Kicks Off for Brazil World Cup
assbot: Struttergear: Strutter Bubble - YouTube
assbot: BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`823 (100`000 to 1)
dub: davout: handome coke sniper is the best
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00085444 = 9.527 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 630.0, Best ask: 632.07, Bid-ask spread: 2.07000, Last trade: 631.89, 24 hour volume: 7078.38017203, 24 hour low: 627.12, 24 hour high: 654.13, 24 hour vwap: 649.944906232
gribble: Current Blocks: 305253 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1178 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12243694772.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.14359
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.029999 = 0.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0699 = 0.3495 BTC [+]
assbot: weenfan +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0244 = 0.3172 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0701255 = 1.4025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07039137 = 0.7039 BTC [+]
assbot: The Argentine bond saga, made simple : SCOTUSblog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00085349 = 3.9261 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0244 = 0.1952 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 104 @ 0.00429979 = 0.4472 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech) << built by the mexican mafia, was it.
mircea_popescu: benkay the totality of russian personnel residing on foreign soil would be the residentura. the subset doing interesting stuff out of them (such as, not the ambassador's personal homebred imported cocksucker - in most places you have to import women as they don't grow locally babes tall enough, blonde enough, fair skinned enough, lithe enough etc etc etc) would be the... agentura.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0694053 = 0.4164 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085495 = 11.5418 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: (mostly andrei soldatov, a much more interesting fellow than mossberg, imo)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of mossberg : a google on re/code does NOT pop up the wikipedia page on the top 10 results, like for absolutely any other word with a wikipedia entry.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it DOES pop a right panel with a summary of mossberg's wikipedia page.
mircea_popescu: someone should put the time into researching the matter, it seems clear to me by now google is entirely manual, they have no algo left at all.
mircea_popescu: basically the 400bn mkt cap company is in its entirety a hundred people trying to maintain a web directory, and we're back to the early 90s over here.
mircea_popescu: diametric: use truecrypt. hehehehe << lol ok. that was worth it :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has an odd penchant for eating byproducts of combusting strange << it's seriously not that healthy.
mircea_popescu: i didn't eat the pork fried on the bible/coran/etc for the record.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting << im interested to hear more of the latter part, do tell ?
mircea_popescu: dub: ff crashed because ff << more specifically, because mozilla co STILL can't make a half decent garbage collector, so they constantly leak memory. yes, even version 69 or w/e they're up to by now.
mircea_popescu: this has fundamental causes in the original training of the people involved with the code, which is why you don't want to learn to computer on bullshit fashionable languages.
pankkake: their garbage collector is better each version, but they add more garbage each version
mircea_popescu: you gotta learn to computer on a language everyone despises, that'll keep you from thinking too much of fucking languages.
mircea_popescu: ok, here's another thing. asciilifeform: there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones. << intuitively it seems to me there should be good autoruters. why not ?
mircea_popescu: in a town designed for walking everyone else does fine.
mircea_popescu: (yet another fundamentally wrong design decision that sits at the core of the us' failure, and can't be fixed)
mircea_popescu: let's start with what autorouter does. it fills in routes you didn't make yourself ?
mircea_popescu: ok so now... the number of possible connections is finite.
mircea_popescu: maybe that's what i'm not getting. how many routes are there on an average board ? thousands ?
mircea_popescu: so then what in the fuck. you take an infinite lifespan to try out 10k options on a computer ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i actually added this to the list of things to do when im old and retired.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: MB of... .bat script << the origin of batshit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my intuition is that the machine couldhave evolving bias. like you know, a virgin girl trying to fuck you.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz << lulz is quite understandable, if not machine-understandable. the trick most people claiming to be "only in for the lulz" do is copied directly from that ancient trick of the socialist, "in it only for the soviets" : they oft use it to cover their own (usually intellecual) laziness
☟︎ mircea_popescu: with the infantile expectation that no one might figure it out, and should someone figure it out they'd necessarily be easy to laugh down, "because lulz"
davout: "BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now." <<< which is one of the reason specifying the protocol was deemed 'too hard'
mircea_popescu: obviously it doesn't work that way, but "obviously" doesn't work for your average screentanned neckbeard because obviously depends on social experience
mircea_popescu: davout indeed. the dirty little open secret here is that if you don't specify it openly, mp will specify it closedly and then beat you over the head every time you deviate
mircea_popescu: and you'll be painfully wrong and he'll be lulzily right each time he does it
mircea_popescu: and now you've engineered humiliatory failure for yourself.
mircea_popescu: but, like the above, not something the screentanned neckbeard can figure out on his own. (same reason)
davout: everyone's trying to be as cool as the openssl folks
davout: so, what do you think about the wording of the "s.mg profitable in 2014" bet ?
mircea_popescu: i gotthe gribble but not there in the log so dunno context yet.
davout: the resolution says it has to have "revenue", the title says it has to be "profitable"
davout: i'm saying it can have revenue without being profitable
mircea_popescu: ah that. well, if all else fails the bitbet backstop is that titles are informative, bets are descriptive
davout: ok, so by this logic i just have to make a donation to s.mg to have it have "revenue", and the bet resolves to 'yes'
mircea_popescu: (and if the bet was worded otherwise, this would havbe been true. if you can make a hundred billion dollar donation to berkshire you can currently win the berkshire bet too)
davout: by sending it money, assuming there's some sort of service rolled-out by end 2014, if not it can't really have revenue or be profitable, but in this case the bet title might as well be reworded to "s.mg open for business" or something like that
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months? << something with cats in it. or depending on whaty you mean by pass.
davout: just saying the resolution condition should be rewritten, which shouldn't be much of an issue since there are only house bets for now
mircea_popescu: moreover, you're saying it, but you're not backing it up.
mircea_popescu: lol. you ask me how so you've failed to make a case ? by failing to make a case lol.
mircea_popescu: howso you think you did make it, is more the question.
davout: what part of "the title isn't consistent with the bet resolution condition" do you disagree with?
mircea_popescu: consider perhaps a better example : we go into a japanese restaurant together, where we're given sticks to eat with.
mircea_popescu: when pointed out to the manager, he explains that while they mostly try to make it the same length, being two different items obviously they can never in fact be equal length, for quantum reasons
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00085315 = 2.9007 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and so for any case, the backstop is that the larger stick's length is defined as the pair's equal length
mike_c: what? that's ridiculous. the shorter stick should be the pair's equal length.
davout: well, i get how that can be clarified, all i'm saying is that it can't really hurt to make them consistent, especially when no one else has bet yet
mircea_popescu: obviously mike_c runs the rival FUD japanese restaurant across the street
mircea_popescu: where not only they sleep with their horses in the bed, but also all house numbers are even
davout: and also that the bet doesn't make that much sense if to resolve to yes s.mg only has to report an incoming money transfer > 0
mircea_popescu: it can't really hurt to make them consistent, before they're made. but the entire model (not just of bitbet, for that matter) rests on absolutes, and the proposal of improving this bet runs into the absolute that it's already published,
mircea_popescu: and as to how much sense a bet makes... who the fuck cares outside of the people betting on it.
mike_c: bibet has stooped to making clarifying comments before. this may be appropriate in this case.
mircea_popescu: imo bs shakespeare tony awards bets don't make any sense
davout: granted, but following your logic, if the title doesn't matter wrt the bet resolution there's no problem changing it :-)
mircea_popescu: the absolute isn't a conditional absolute, ie, "the bet won't changed except for parts we can get away with"
mircea_popescu: now if only the us congress spent their morning today reading this log instead of absolutely anything they've been doing,
mircea_popescu: the us might have a chance of being properly administered for a day.
mike_c: davout: you can easily fix this by asking the question in the comments.
mircea_popescu: mike_c fud #2 for you today, suggesting the choice of venue is upon the plaintiff! WHO EVER HEARD OF THIS
davout: the way i understand what you say is that the bet title is merely a convenience, it has no value with regards to resolution, so by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever
mircea_popescu: davout sure, but the way you understand things has little bearing
mircea_popescu: this isn't some sort of diplomatic negotiation where you can make oral notes on your signing of the treaty
mircea_popescu: "germany understands this peace treaty as a carte blanche to fuck all your womenz"
mircea_popescu: the way it was said was that in any dispute between the two, the body carries.
davout: i'm not saying there's an ambiguity in the bet resolution, it's perfectly clear if the body supersedes the title
mircea_popescu: yeah but you're trying to equivocate between "in any dispute between the two, the body carries" and "by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever"
mircea_popescu: these are not the same, really. for instance, the title is indexed.
mircea_popescu: as far as bitbet is concerned, the string of english words that is the title NOW MEANS the string of english words that is the body.
mircea_popescu: that's the meaning of the japanese sticks story : not that you can throw out one stick
mircea_popescu: but that whatever you may think your measurement shows,
mircea_popescu: the shorter stick IS ACTUALLY as long as the longer one.
davout: yes, i got all that :-)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085432 = 0.6835 BTC [+]
davout: let's move on to the second part
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people reading the logs just got a legal & philosophical education.
davout: the way the resolution is worded can be reduced to : "bet resolves to yes if at some point during 2014, it is possible to send money to an address owned by s.mg"
davout: because that would count as revenue
mircea_popescu: such as for instance i dunno, blizzard gets scared and pays us 50 bux to not run wow out of business
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.070003 = 0.28 BTC [+]
davout: that would count as revenue
davout: making the bet resolve to yes
davout: even if there are 500 BTC expenses to cover leading to a loss
davout: so the bet resolution could be rewritten as "yes if s.mg receives at least one satoshi in 2014"
mircea_popescu: davout except satoshi is misleading, itcould receive a goat.
davout: BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO REPORT IT TOO
chetty: If someone gives me a goat I will never tell
davout: it also has implications wrt to the bet resolution time
davout: the bet can actually resolve as soon as s.mg is open for business
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0699 = 1.398 BTC [-]
pankkake: or you should remove the pure spam
mircea_popescu: or add a rule "whenever the last bet on page is not in my list of read bets, halve the checking interval"
pankkake: there was just too much bets (and spam) in a short timeframe
pankkake: well, alternatively I can submit it for the third time :D
mircea_popescu: chetty "Or, the Court might ask the Obama administration for its views on pari passu"
mircea_popescu: since when the motherfucking hells does the administration have a say in this!
mircea_popescu: jesus republic of the soviets they got going over there. go ask lenin whydontcha
pankkake: why not remove the "fsdfdf" bets? they make up 80% of the page
kakobrekla: pankkake if you are looking for the reason i can look it up
pankkake: it's a bitcoin-central vs. kraken volume bet
assbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets
kakobrekla: reason: Not going to check two pages every day to make sure; come up with a better resolution source if possible.
pankkake: unfortunately there isn't, as neither exchanges publish a 30d volume
davout: kakobrekla: dun worry, i'll tell you a couple in advance which day i'll push dogecoin volume to bitcoin charts
kakobrekla: btw when are you going to connect to rtbtc again
davout: prolly sthg i'll work on during the summer
mircea_popescu: pankkake this sort of bet is problematic, because what the fuck's the submitter to do.
mircea_popescu: im thinking a solution going forward would be "claim bets", ie, bets that resolve one way unless proof to the contrary is presented in the comments.
pankkake: yeah, for the CNY volume bet I actually wrote a script to watch the result
mircea_popescu: the problem with this, of course, is that it gives a monetary incentive to make comments, at which point the result will be a flood of nonsense
pankkake: then quickly archive.is the page
mircea_popescu: (ie, someone who's not won loses nothing by making a spurious claim he has. this then taxes mod time, and the more complex the claim the better for the claimant)
pankkake: though for a 30d volume bet, you should see it coming
mircea_popescu: pankkake unless one exchange is offline for a little bit.
pankkake: no but I mean you have to care only if they are reasonably close, which isn't the case at all now
mircea_popescu: suppose one day there's a panic, which takes one offline but not the other, which now dows 500 btc
mircea_popescu: surely if they both were online both'd have done 500 btc, keeping their parity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 4 @ 0.042 = 0.168 BTC
mircea_popescu: "Particular difficulties ensue if the rules are not simple multiples of each other, and when vias must traverse between layers with different rules."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok im cured. this and the oxide gate problems, i can see it now.
mircea_popescu: "The earliest types of EDA routers were "manual routers" -- the drafter clicked a mouse on the endpoint of each line segment of each net. Modern PCB design software typically provides "interactive routers" -- the drafter selects a pad and clicks a few places to give the EDA tool an idea of where to go, and the EDA tool tries to place wires as close to that path as possible without violating DRC." << my naive bias thing
assbot: Intraday Momentum: The First Half-Hour Return Predicts the Last Half-Hour Return by Lei Gao, Yufeng Han, Guofu Zhou :: SSRN
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: it's amazing how many great links come through this channel without any need for up/down voting systems.
benkay: <decimation> yeah no doubt, but those people probably could be identified and treated with various medical devices // my favorite of these is made my a local shop (designed in germany, though). it sits on your nervous system and listens to your heartbeat, supplying it's own 'carrier wave' when necessary to entrain the signal that nominally keeps things beating in time.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC
benkay: i almost took a job making fixtures for them before i knew how little i enjoyed shop support at big shops.
benkay: * asciilifeform doesn't own airplane, will probably have to settle for slipping in his bath with a cocked nailgun // are the 'suicides' humorously staged yet?
mircea_popescu: benkay afaik heart beats on its own localised nervous system
benkay: installation was a pain
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog << is that even possible ?!
benkay: BingoBoingo: 'man logger'
mircea_popescu: they even had a special doohickey made so they could add it in the menus
mircea_popescu: or do you mean that ancient "rsyslogd was HUPed, type lightweight" bug they've had for ages ? did it eventually prevail upon them and so they just took logging right out of 12.04 ? :D
benkay: give everyone a touchscreen
mircea_popescu: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth1 OUT= SRC=208.94.26.148 DST=192.168.0.100 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=242 ID=65083 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=46252
dignork: mircea_popescu: might be heartbleed probes
dignork: mircea_popescu: nop, sorry, it's SPT
assbot: Musings on Markets: Alibaba: A China Story with a profitable ending?
dignork: davout: might be just weird NAT router
mircea_popescu: decimation: the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water) <<< that took a while.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC
kakobrekla: it was his username and password, root and fail.
davout: kakobrekla: hahaha, actually the password is root too
Mats_cd03: i take credit for good links in this channel
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's not a good link, that's a bead link.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87487208 BTC to 8`766 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
TheNewDeal: we're actually losing some time this change, making the 3rd change iffy
TheNewDeal: more interested in the opec production news of the morn
mircea_popescu: russia is emerging as a major ally of the muslims, and its strategy to energetically isolate the west is starting to take shape.
TheNewDeal: west has lucked out with oil prospects of late
TheNewDeal: I was hoping for the bitcoin network and the opec producers to ramp up production :D
Mats_cd03: iraq is going to lose a fourth city to the fictional caliphate
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu true, and oil prospects are always estimates
mircea_popescu: i can't image a us policy of easy money not including easy reserves.
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]
fluffypony: "On the other hand it was expected that usagi will get confused and "loose" the wallet. In general he's so confused that he doesn't know if he's a she or she's a he."
Mats_cd03: losing mosul to militants is a death blow
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 you know, iraq 2 mayt well turn out to be the largest intl mistake the us ever made
assbot: Expedia Will Accept Bitcoin for Hotel Bookings
mircea_popescu: funny btw, the us overthrew ukraine, the russian-backed syria overthrew iraq.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711999 = 0.1424 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: the northern alliance was the best bet iraq ever had for any semblance of security
Mats_cd03: i wonder if the kurds have the stomach to breach doors and fight house to house
mircea_popescu: at any rate, back on the realpolitik map, i wonder just how defensible afghanistan is w/o iraq,
mircea_popescu: and once the withdrawal is complete by autumn i wonder just how safe any us interests in the midwest will ever be again.
chetty: its ok Mexico is currently moving to Arizona
TheNewDeal: mexico is 3rd to canada and saudi arabia
assbot: U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports
mircea_popescu: it's an ally of the us in thesense the tour guide of the fat tourist is an ally of his.
mircea_popescu: i'll bet you the us won't be buying much oil from sa by the end of the decade.
TheNewDeal: regardless of saudi, mexico is ~1/4 - 1/3 of the opec total
mircea_popescu: also a doomed hope. the cartels will sooner or later make continued oil exports dependent on continued opium imports
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC
mircea_popescu: it'll work, too. mexico has a better chance of ruling the us than either democrat or republican party in ten years.
TheNewDeal: there is a booming mexican population within the us
TheNewDeal: except when you infect the indigenous population with deadly diseases
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine biological shock is going to be much going forward
TheNewDeal: I'm just saying it happened in mexico too
TheNewDeal: knocked out a bunch of mayans and others when the conquistadors came through
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0711999 = 0.2848 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: I tried betting both sides to the MERS, not looking good now
mircea_popescu: "The day's developments mean Isis now has effective control over three cities, including Falluja and Ramadi in neighbouring Anbar. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: no, the day's developments mean that isis has now secured communication lines for its pincher of baghdad
mircea_popescu: Iraq's embattled government said it would arm civilians and ask the parliament to declare a state of emergency. << this is a splendid point in case. the us-allied iraq government is going to... arm the civillians.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 8 @ 0.042 = 0.336 BTC
mircea_popescu: This i don't fucking understand. if you're trying to leave mosul and there's some fuckwits holding a "checkpoint" in your way
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: arming civilians is really the only thing they can do. what, its not like the state can secure anything
mircea_popescu: the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: then videotape it and post it on youtube, should any other fuckwits need training as to the importance of "holding checkpoints"
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 "arming civillians" strictly means, in this sense, "Taking these weapons the us gave us and giving it to the people they were trying to fight"
mircea_popescu: what civillians ? "we're giving the n billions worth of material to al-quaeda. because fuck you, that's why"
benkay: <mircea_popescu> the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails // learned helplessness of the last rats to flee?
mircea_popescu: cars where camels go, a bunch of redditards trying to pretend like they're playing WoW irl.
benkay: isn't this the kind of desert where one can simply drive around road obstructions?
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of the fuckwits still have the lease papers in the glove compartment.
benkay: what's wrong with lease papers in the glove compartment?
mircea_popescu: benkay it's the sort of desert where a car doing less than 50 is a death trap.
mircea_popescu: benkay that nobody fucking owns title to anything anymore.
mircea_popescu: german serfs cca 1100 knew as much, "the day foreign armed men walk the province, all tax obligations are null and void"
mircea_popescu: "The city fell like a plane without an engine," said a Mosul businessman << what's with these people and planes.
Mats_cd03: when there's blood on the streets...
thestringpuller: it's like every fucking day I get a new email "IPO AVAILABLE!"
Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, yeah havelol spam starting to be annoying
fluffypony: I eventually just blacklisted their domain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00229947 = 0.2299 BTC [+]
fluffypony: so now I don't get any email from them
pankkake: you can unsuscribe from IPO announcements. did it months ago
pankkake: give her something to eat, poor girl
mircea_popescu: and you know what it's gonna be, and yet you can't look away
pankkake: didn't look at the last ones. usually I don't resist, but too much at a time
mircea_popescu: decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well? << a solid argument, except, why does a cat manage to break things so well when no cat has yet produced any thing ?
jurov: if everyone suspects the deaths being staged, then ofc they were not well accomplished
pankkake: I wish I knew how ozbot found the images
pankkake: my first thought was "this looks like a typical stock photo where minorities must be present otherwise you're racist. oh wait, who's this guy, i think i know him"
TheNewDeal: while I was going there, my school got caught photoshopping a black person into a photo
TheNewDeal: the black guy came out publicly stating he was not in the photo originally
pankkake: wow, so it was a photo of know people in the school? and they thought they could get away with it?
assbot: Microsoft's Ad In Poland Photoshops Black Man, But Keeps Asian Man, White Woman
mircea_popescu: davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot! << thanks!
mircea_popescu: dub: but blame africa << everyone knows africans aren't pirates, they couldn't even discover madagascar.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
TheNewDeal: updating the diff change estimate to 6.8%
mircea_popescu: why tyhe fuck do they continue to push all the derpage and try and pretend is entirely beyond me
mircea_popescu: roughly in the situation of a small african country trying to push this alt-geography where china doesn't exist
mircea_popescu: you will need ti get in assbot's l2 to voice yourself.
mircea_popescu: the pretense remains unchanged. "there's mpex, we don't talk about. the exchange we talk about is <Del>glbse<del>btct<del>bitcoin whatever<del>etc"
TheNewDeal: they the results of the proposition spam?
mircea_popescu: "there's bitbet, we don;'t talk about. the betting sites we talk about is <del>etc"
joesmoe: i can't seem to get assbot to like me, its being a real ass
mircea_popescu: same goes to you that i said to mgio : unless you're in assbot l2's trust you can't up yourself.
joesmoe: i've done a few transactions on otc a while back
mgio: has anyone seen ukyo around recently?
mgio: thanks for the help
gribble: Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 25 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 34 @ 0.042 = 1.428 BTC
mgio: not a good sign, oh well
mircea_popescu: mgio what's your interest anyway, if it's not secret ?
joesmoe: mgio is NSA, tracking Ukyo down
mgio: ukyo.loan, he owes me a lot of money and it supposedily working on some projects to pay it back. wondering what the status is
mgio: I'm probably more patient than I should be
mircea_popescu: well what recourse other than patience do you have anyway.
mike_c: what's the other option?
benkay: the whole 'can you assbot' thing as test of technical ability is a neat filter to boot.
mgio: legal options, of course
mike_c: mircea_popescu: what do you think is the best judge of money supply? m2? m4?
benkay: ninjashogun's been harping at me again. anyone else catching his flak?
mike_c: wait for the part where he asks you how many bitcoin you have.
mgio: he lives in the US, as do I, and the terms of the loan are pretty straightforward
mircea_popescu: <mgio> legal options, of course << that didn't mwean anything.
mgio: only way to get out of it if he was to declare personal bankrupcy
mgio: in other words, sue him for the btc owed
benkay: my btc come from aliens
TheNewDeal: surpised I haven't heard speculation that satoshi was an alien.
benkay: satoshi nakamoto is ancient aliens
benkay: its the only sensible option
benkay: aliens makes sense tho
mike_c: mircea_popescu: hard to describe. i am trying to think about how many dollars there are, which is obviously a complicated topic.
benkay: <AncientAliensBTC> SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good. // actually the thing is that the tech is so bad that only an agent entirely unfamiliar with cultural standards could have done it
mircea_popescu: it's always the case you can narrow and pin things down in a macro discussion, tho it's almost always the case people are reluctant to do so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00085432 = 3.5027 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8180 @ 0.00085661 = 7.0071 BTC [+] {2}
AncientAliensBTC: More seriously though, anyone want to discuss the betting of both sides on BitBet? I'm curious about discussing the theory behind the results of the data dump.
assbot: Bitcoin Inventor Satoshi Nakamoto Could Actually Be Group From Europe - Slashdot
mike_c: mircea_popescu: well, i am trying to internalize money supply. like it seems m2 floats around 4x m1. the fed says m3 is meaningless, but others say it isn't. and i don't entirely understand m4 yet.
mike_c: i thought you might have some insight to measures worth understanding vs. ones that are just noise.
Apocalyptic: "the fed says m3 is meaningless" // is anything the fed says meaningfull ?
mircea_popescu: the fed is engaged in a doomed fight to maintain the financial relevancy of a dead industrial base.
mircea_popescu: m3 is only relevant if you wish to pierce through that veil
mike_c: anyone have any good book recommendations on the topic?
Apocalyptic: mike_c, do you distinguish between money supply and monetary base ?
mike_c: Apocalyptic: i am trying to :)
mircea_popescu: all the goodstuff i read on the paper were romanian cb white papers in the 80s and 90s
mike_c: AncientAliensBTC: i see betting both sides of a bitbet as a bet on action. if the bet receives a lot of action, you should do well.
dexX7: i think i can up myself
mircea_popescu: whoever made the mp being wrong bitbet : i was all for it but the mods shot it down.
AncientAliensBTC: How does betting later affect my odds? Say I bet 1 BTC (as the site shows) with a 3.5 BTC payout. How much will I cash in on my early betting vs lose out to my position becoming more popular/dilute other side?
pankkake: and it's not mp being wrong, it's mp admits being wrong
kakobrekla: AncientAliensBTC someone made an app to simulate that i think
TheNewDeal: ancientaliensbtc is it ok to assume no more bets will be made on the opposing side (more conservative) ?
TheNewDeal: top one MP to admit being wrong in #b-a
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> and it's not mp being wrong, it's mp admits being wrong << no its not. i always admit it when i'm wrong, it's just im not wrong that often
TheNewDeal: would be interested to see what % of bitbet is made into private bets
TheNewDeal: you can see it, but need a password to bet?
TheNewDeal: could I bet both sides at the beginning as well?
kakobrekla: im trying to save on the btc addresses!
assbot: Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide?
TheNewDeal: I have accidentally been requesting new addresses when betting the same side at a later time. Didn't realize you could just resend to same
TheNewDeal: but back to this private bet. You're saying I couldnt bet both sides at the beginning, then hand out the password to close group of people?
kakobrekla: you can take one side, wait for approval, bet the other side and then hand out the pass
TheNewDeal: I'm not confident enough with my fish via grill skills
assbot: Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide?
mircea_popescu: "Now you can have visibility into all the encrypted SSL traffic on your network—at extremely high performance—so you can inspect it, identify potentially nefarious activities, and feed the intelligence to an ecosystem of security application vendors—all through Blue Coat."
dignork: mircea_popescu: well, they are actually lying, for this to work, they either have to ssl-strip, or plant corporate CA in all their system
mircea_popescu: which increases the vulnerability of their "security" tremendously
pankkake: corporate CA is the usual trick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5248 @ 0.00085751 = 4.5002 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: can you even restrict CAs to tlds?
chetty: <mircea_popescu> anyone interested in my salmon teriyaki recipe ?// do tell
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0299 = 0.4186 BTC [+]
assbot: Amateur football at its best - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 341 @ 0.00038033 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.03 = 0.39 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021703 / 0.00021721 / 0.00021725 (5601 shares, 1.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
davout: pankkake: "can you even restrict CAs to tlds?" <<< wat?
pankkake: you could add a CA and have it validate only .mycompany
mike_c: started trading in may. it started operating a bit before that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 12.04 did indeed ship without rsyslog or syslogd, it can produce dmesg but the terminal is of course too short to display the whole thing.
pankkake: no logger? or does upstart have one, like systemd?
mircea_popescu: does it keep a journal for the hdd or dispensed with that too ?
assbot: Bitstamp Wins Best Virtual Currency Startup Award at The Europas
BingoBoingo: I really lacks all of the useful system tools. I'm afraid it might tell me I need to install cat if I try to use it now
mike_c: imagine if they had three cans
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23211011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23211016 = 0.6963 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm telling you with the diff bets you have to consider the externalities.
TheNewDeal: yes the network is quite variable over short term
TheNewDeal: bingoboing I'm also looking at the short term history for comparison
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm telling you that Datacenters in the summer aren't pretty. Mix that up with Knc's generally sloppy build quality...
assbot: Storm Damage Greatly Improves Name Of Tennessee Car Wash
TheNewDeal: April 29 - May 12 the difficulty increased 10.66 %. Blocks came through on average 542 seconds. To get 3 changes, we need to find blocks at an average of 554 seconds
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal you can always ddos some pools
TheNewDeal: I wouldn't dare attempt something along those lines
kakobrekla: <mike_c> imagine if they had three cans < imagine if they could do maff
TheNewDeal: we're nethashing at 89.9 PH, once we pass 91.1 we should be finding faster than 554 s/ block
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: that is a great name, I much prefer it over the original
BingoBoingo: It's always a good time at the Asstime Car wash
jurov: ass time is good time
mike_c: srsly BingoBoingo. those gawker sites are going to rot your brain.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That's what the Vodka's for. It's a preservative.
jurov: BingoBoingo I gather you want to taxidermize yourself alive?
BingoBoingo: Slowly, hopefully it will take another century.
mike_c: kakobrekla: sometimes shit gets accidentally converted to floats :) maff is hard.
fluffypony: I expect to be like a well-matured red wine by the time I die
jurov: or rather 500 errors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00085874 = 2.9627 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: The monkeyfish would make a great error message.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00085836 = 5.751 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Poll: What name would be best? - TCnext
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.01856559 = 0.13 BTC [-]
jurov: they forgot cyphermaid/cryptmaid
assbot: This Girl Didn't Make Her Point So Well - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.06843266 = 17.1082 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2050 @ 0.00006881 = 0.1411 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2952 @ 0.00005895 = 0.174 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11310 @ 0.00085506 = 9.6707 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5664 @ 0.00085432 = 4.8389 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 669 @ 0.00036106 = 0.2415 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Iraq city of Tikrit falls to ISIL fighters - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
Mats_cd03: opec should reconsider this morning's news
mike_c: bitbet: ISIL takes baghdad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029 = 0.116 BTC [-]
assbot: Expresscoin Launches to Become Coinbase for the Unbanked - CoinDesk
TheNewDeal: I think the more avenues where btc/doge can be traded, the lower doge/btc will become
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably next week. I'll just need some fiberglass to duct tape to this lawnmower.
TheNewDeal: it will cost more doge to get one btc the more exchanges trade
benkay: mircea_popescu: i was under the impression the reds died out under a disease barrage from the early western explorers, far before the smallpox blankets.
assbot: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek
jborkl: <asciilifeform> It was a DDOS attack it went up to 750k kpbs for a few hours this morning then stopped
jborkl: not really sure why though, not like it would make any difference?
Mats_cd03: some trivia: a lord jeffrey is responsible for the biological warfare against the reds, and today he has a bustling college town as his namesake
jborkl: ;;tldr mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time
gribble: Error: "tldr" is not a valid command.
jborkl: damnit what is it again?
jborkl: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time
assbot: Microsoft poised to take Web server crown from Apache The Register
atcbot: 20k@265 20k@264 16k@260 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140
benkay: "Black population in Africa will become extinct under pressure from (legitimate) Chinese economic interest much in the way Red population in North America became extinct under pressure from (legitimate) European economic interest."
benkay: sounds like less of an economic pressure and more of an environmental pressure. new predators in the environment.
benkay: politics or economics.
benkay: why economics over thermodynamics?
jborkl: I rarely go to the forums anymore, but I guess all the actm peeps finally figured out it was a scam?
benkay: i guess its just politics :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.23211010 / 0.24845358 / 0.26100000 (47 shares, 11.67731831 BTC), 7D: 0.19301000 / 0.26587505 / 0.32900000 (1160 shares, 308.41505284 BTC), 30D: 0.11000000 / 0.29371218 / 0.50990000 (4694 shares, 1378.68495324 BTC)
gribble: Current Blocks: 305315 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1116 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 18 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12282280955.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.4718
jborkl: I tried reading the actm thread and gave up,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 47 @ 0.0245 = 1.1515 BTC [-]
assbot: Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard
fluffypony: someone should just tell him about BitBet
jurov: is either side of that bitbet safe?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 94 @ 0.02392752 = 2.2492 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06999993 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.03045714 = 1.066 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard << it's very safe.
jurov: expecting oil price to keep climbing in comparison to renewables is pretty safe assumption
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.01859916 = 0.1302 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the only reason "renewables" seem economical atm is because govt picks up 80% of the tab.
mircea_popescu: govt won't be able to keep picking up any of the tab in the future,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00085853 = 2.6614 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: fossils are heavily subsidised, either
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
mike_c: BingoBoingo, you still want to sell some no?
jurov: plus, if musk succeeds to get prices of batteries down
jurov: .... but dunno i know, maybe it's all just a bubble
mircea_popescu: so currently, the situation is that in the marketplace, a kilo of beef costs 11 and a kilo of pork costs 13
mircea_popescu: except, the beef costs 48 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 37 loss to the government
mircea_popescu: whereas pork costs 3 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 10 gain to the government.
mircea_popescu: the idea that stuff costing 50 will be able to compete with stuff costing 3 once the govt is out of the picture is nutty
jurov: now the earth gas supplied to europe is which one?
jurov: here only household gas is subsidised
jurov: industrial usage is not
jurov: how it is a gain to the govt? slovak one, not russian
mircea_popescu: the us (and eu) are being crushed atm because they're paying the 37, whereas russia, saudi arabia etc are pocketing the 10
jurov: and solar/wind is expensive to install, not to produce
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'd be amenable to selling up to half my bitcoin's stake in that bet.
jurov: the expectation is for the 48 to get down, and for 3 to get up
mike_c: BingoBoingo: this is b39, right?
jurov: i really don't know if it's realistic, but i don't think buffett haven't done any math around it
mircea_popescu: jurov i think he's done plenty of math. it goes like this : "im too old to get it up anymore. will be dead soon anyway. who the fuck cares."
mike_c: and you are offering it at cost, yes? half for 0.5?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm amenable to offering it at a discount, i.e. selling the 0.5 stake for less than 0.5 BTC.
jurov: afaik maintenance is the part that is currently heavily subsidized for fossils
mike_c: what fun is that. i'll take it at cost.
mike_c: k, send addr sometime and i will send payment
BingoBoingo: mike_c: The payout address for that bet works 1PzuSnKaJsKwgyAqb6sqc5nsw55v2MnHoz
mike_c: ok. i'm going to send from a hot wallet, so don't send my winnings back there :)
BingoBoingo: Alright. When summer cooks the miners and its time to pay you I'll ask for an address.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell TheNewDeal I'm afraid I'm out of 'No' stake to sell without losing my excitement.
jurov: well, stockholm forecast is up to balmy 24C .. not something to fry knc datacenter
jurov: where's asicminer housed?
BingoBoingo: Well, knc ships miners out to other people doesn't it? I think Asicminer is somewhere costal south China.
jurov: looks like it's hongkong
jurov: 33C in Sunday, otherwise less
jurov: just picked most concentrated spots
BingoBoingo: I'm also considering less concentrated spots, like the Hillbillies in Texas and the MiddleWest whose data center is their garage.
assbot: bitsquare.io - The P2P Fiat-Bitcoin Exchange
jurov: how many asics are there?
jurov: in hillbillies'garages?
jurov: pool ddos will have much higher effect imo
BingoBoingo: Well does Slaughter actually have a datacenter?
jurov: how many % actm has?
BingoBoingo: No idea, but there's a bunch of forum tards and such out there...
jurov: he's using forum tards to generate hashrate?
mike_c: no thank you! we'll be the first ever to make money betting against difficulty :)
mike_c: i think we'll lose, but i like the odds now.
mike_c: jurov: first best greatest
jurov: iDiff-* was introduced when? a year ago?
mike_c: nobody has made money on idiffs betting against difficulty, that's for sure.
mike_c: no way. they've all been capped?
jurov: till tat + asics came around
jurov: to be precise, i did not bet against difficulty, too. just sold them at sufficiently high price
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April :: 9.83 B (5%) on Yes, 180.55 B (95%) on No | closed 2 months 3 weeks ago
assbot: BitBet - May I suggest 9B difficulty? :: 6.44 B (8%) on Yes, 72.03 B (92%) on No | closed 1 month 2 weeks ago
mike_c: fine, we won't be the first. but still best greatest.
jurov: on that note, can't be some mpif put into idiff MMing?
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021649 BTC (Total: 433.00 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 11 minutes and 24 seconds
mircea_popescu: <jurov> on that note, can't be some mpif put into idiff MMing? << too risky
TheNewDeal: Altcoin makes the cut, but idiff is too frisky?
TheNewDeal: on my screen, it shows my message before
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: That's because your screen plays favorites
gribble: Error: 'screen' is not a valid integer.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 250 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
BingoBoingo: I hope ATC crashes to Doge prices for a while.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 502280.32 in 1204 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -29.79
mike_c: nethash was at 5 th/s. then it plummetted to 1 th/s after last diff change.
mike_c: and now it's at 6 th/s
mike_c: two parties involved. pool-hoppers, and then unbalanced trying to screw the pool hoppers.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> and dropping << nah was -80% a coupla days ago
mike_c: well diff is :) but nethash isn't
mike_c: yeah. it's a bit of a mess. but such is the life of a young altcoin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0233 = 0.233 BTC [-]
benkay: <zrobo> cryptsy.com: 1 dogecoin = 65 satoshis. coindesk price $0.0004. 24 hr volume: 944 megadoge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.01902 = 0.1712 BTC [+]