assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00096218 = 1.3471 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.0075 = 0.1125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00485 = 0.2813 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00096237 = 9.2388 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 830 @ 0.0075 = 6.225 BTC [+]
nubbins`: thestringpuller: there's a trilema article, one sec
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8305 @ 0.00011047 = 0.9175 BTC [-] {13}
ozbot: The Stock Warrant instrument explained pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ozbot: Proper accounting for stock warrants pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6527 @ 0.00009727 = 0.6349 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16491 @ 0.00096247 = 15.8721 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00010018 = 0.2004 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0305111 = 0.3051 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.030511 = 0.3051 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2404 @ 0.00010099 = 0.2428 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1861 @ 0.00010099 = 0.1879 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06699976 = 0.134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00095545 = 12.7075 BTC [-] {4}
ozbot: Malaysia Plane Was Carrying Lithium-Ion Batteries - Business Insider
ozbot: New Regulations for Shipping Li-ion Batteries
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096321 = 4.2381 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Voicing adolf_fishler for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: nicolas cage is such a bad actor
TestingUnoDosTre: <asciilifeform> laughable at best - "ICAO does not consider these changes will necessarily reduce incidents involving lithium batteries; but they will significantly improve safety."
ozbot: Hitlers were county pioneers - News - CircleVilleToday.com
adolf_fishler: Dr. Gay Hitler, son of George Washington Hitler, was a local dentist, serving our community from 1922 through 1946 from his office on West Main Street.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A number of watches still use silver oxide cells...
nubbins`: added 4 extra shirts to an order, saved $15 by doing so
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I changed watch batteries at a mall kiosk years back. I still see them on the shelves. There's still many available
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00275116 = 0.11 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Amazon.com: Renata Silver Oxide Watch Battery For Renata 364 Button Cell: Watches
ozbot: Amazon.com: Sony 364 SR621SW 1.55V Silver Oxide Watch Battery (Pack of 5): Electronics
BingoBoingo: Now... A lot of similar batteries in the same form factor will emit the long form labeling and the naming tends to be less complete.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it's safe enough for the road it can't not be safe enough for teh planes :D
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: A number of watches still use silver oxide cells... << the better ones, anyway.
nubbins`: "i used lithium before it was in cells"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo omit :D to emit is the act committed by the emittor of emissions, whereas to omit is the act of the omittor of omissions
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But omission is a swell way to transfer information
nubbins`: ^ never to recommend a bad movie again
ozbot: [CryptoStocks] Satoshi Poker IPO | Bitcointa.lk
BingoBoingo: Chicken wings, then wyngz, wyngs don't sell... revert to chicken
ozbot: Satoshi Poker - Entire business - 2 day auction | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: if anyone's patient enough, compare the auction result to the ipo proceeds
BingoBoingo: I think the Seals breach pretty much killed BTC poker.
mircea_popescu: you need someone actually competent for a field to exist.
ozbot: Oxford Electric Bell
nubbins`: not sure if this was discussed earlier:
assbot: Voicing MobGod for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: pankkake prosecuting poor satoshipoker guy. WHY R U SUCH A TROAL!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu sadly no, copypasta fail
ozbot: Twitter / USAirways: We apologize for an inappropriate ...
mircea_popescu: they probably accidentally sent her a care package full of dongs
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: It read like a pretty big something
nubbins`: apparently the original picture was a tweet directed at american airlines
mircea_popescu: Retweets 11,598 Favorites 8,793 << dude us folk are weird. the actual pic never got 11k retweets wtf.
nubbins`: ^ this one almost caused pascale to pass out from laughter
assbot: Voicing MobGod for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00481984 = 0.1253 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Total owed to players: 19 BTC in player balances in the system, 3.9 BTC in pending withdrawals (I will cover these funds out of the buying price so after buying, company will have 0 liabilities towards its players, software companies or whatsoever)"
mircea_popescu: so i guess the guy's insolvent and that's his way of breaking the news ?
mircea_popescu: Satoshi Poker has $118.50/mo net operational costs for the rent of a dedicated server and VPS webhosting package (website and gameserver/bitcoin systems are hosted seperately for security reasons)
mircea_popescu: After working on the project for the past year, sacrificing my other businesses, investing a lot of time and money and running into personal debts to get it to where it is today, I don't have the time or personal stability to move the business forward to its full potential. Since november I have been working with no marketing budget and no development budget and for the future of SP it is better if somebody with a new
mircea_popescu: vision and a budget steps in and takes over. At this moment there is a deficit in player funds, and I would be able to cover them by taking out another bank loan but at this point I would rather sell it and cover all balances from the buying price, as it is pointless to run an internet business with no marketing or development budgets and basically working full time to maintain the just under $1000 in monthly turnover.
mircea_popescu: I have to look for a project that gives me a paycheck and allows me more time to spend with my girlfriend who had a miscarriage while i was sitting in the waiting room in the hospital working on SP...
mike_c: seems like a reasonable attempt at an orderly shutdown though. not bad for a failing btc business.
mircea_popescu: mike_c guy could have gone a lot further if he actually used his chances rather than thinking he's smarter that everyone. that's the tragedy part of this drama here.
mike_c: ah. i don't know the backstory
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: Starting bid of the auction is 30 BTC. Payment of buy is completely in bitcoin, of which 22.9 BTC has to be done to the hot wallet so buyer can see that in fact the balances are covered and remainder has to be sent to me to settle with SP's current investors.
mircea_popescu: the "investors" that were fed a 4k btc minimum for a 20k btc valuation are going to be dealt with out of...
kakobrekla: he already made buyback soem time ago or smth.
assbot: Voicing xdotcommer for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: 08 Nov 11:03 SATOSHI has been delisted. Shareholders will be receiving email notifications.
kakobrekla: 02 Nov 10:34 Satoshi Poker will delist its asset on CryptoStocks as its team is unreachable. Shares will be bought back at 0.001 share price, giving its shareholders 25% ROI
kakobrekla: 24 Oct 23:14 Satoshi Poker changed its share structure and share prices. Please see the asset description for more information
kakobrekla: 24 Oct 22:44 Satoshi Poker announces a buyback to IPO under better conditions. More info will follow later today
kakobrekla: 24 Oct 22:44 Satoshi Poker announces a buyback to IPO under better conditions. More info will follow later today
mircea_popescu: srsly. market cap 41k, can't get 30 btc on an open auction.
mircea_popescu: "Satoshi Poker has been delisted and shares have been bought back at 0.001 due to non response of cryptostocks customer service which was harming our IPO"
mircea_popescu: so basically cryptostocks is the stock exchange of the future which was judged too low quality by a guy who was running an asset predicated on taking in two beans, giving back one bean a week later and claiming this is 25% roi.
mircea_popescu: perhaps one could go lower than that, but for the time being i can't imagine how.
mircea_popescu: these are apartments the chinese built and nobody wants.
BingoBoingo: Kind of like the gambling forum on Bitcointalk, full of sites and projects no one wants
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00522955 = 0.523 BTC [+] {5}
TestingUnoDosTre: this chinese ghost town myth isn't just american commie propaganda?
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well there's a bunch of recent construction american ghost towns as well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005335 = 0.1174 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had the opportunity to laugh my ass off at a schmuck last week. son of a friend with this pushy, clueless fiancee. she wants them to buy (mostly on his mother's dough) an apt in this building
BingoBoingo: Full subdivisions, never occupied, each home still for sale, no more than a couple homes from each listed at any given time, the houses take turns in the MLS listings
mircea_popescu: i'm like don't be fucktarded already, nobody EVER bought there, what's wroing with you
mircea_popescu: she's like, wtf am i talking about, there's like, lights at night and everything.
mircea_popescu: a phone call and twenny minutes later, i introduce them to the cabdriver who turns on the lights each night
mircea_popescu: i lol because, well, in typical style of the earlier quoted clueless "businessman" in his own head, they came up for sale once, in late 2009. they wanted x. i made an offer, roughly 0.15 x
mircea_popescu: then it came up for sale about twice a year, i never bothered to make offers again, but i have little doubt it'll continue indefinitely.
mircea_popescu: i was talking of timisoara, right now, and asciilifeform of some northeast us i guess
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rent is, if you're renting as a company.
mircea_popescu: which theoretically you can't do for living space (must be commercial)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's msot of the us, but in different ways. Sometimes condos, sometime subdivisions (probably a part of what makes the rentalstarter thing possible-ish)
TestingUnoDosTre: was just talking to a self proclaimed business man at the bar today, telling me I had to be creative while filing my taxes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness : if you tried to get anything "As a barbarian" 2k years ago, also.
ozbot: First Ever Constitutional Ruling against Dodd-Frank Voids Destructive “Conflict Minerals” Sectio
mircea_popescu: apaprently dodd-frank is getting shut down i nthe courts.
BingoBoingo: I've heard such things. We are supposed to dip below freezing around St Louis
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay " where there is no recourse for crime" is perhaps a generalisation in the wrong direction. crime will probably be redefined to mean "of the body", ie, assault. stuff of the mind goes the way you contemplate.
ThickAsThieves: cant even hold a conversation without showing it immediately
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3988 @ 0.00096166 = 3.8351 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: why is the anon dude on satoshipoker's home page showing his hand while throwing chips in? if it's time for showdown, the chips should already be in
ThickAsThieves: they got ukyo wrapped up in it, and the bitcoin pride tshirt guy
nubbins`: radical honesty cards = no fun
ThickAsThieves: the tshirt guy was trying to sell me his stake while waiting at an airport for his flight
nubbins`: tried face-up cribbage the other day
danielpbarron: one of the players at my weekly poker games likes to show his hand before showdown sometimes, to try to get other players to react and reveal info
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's a rational move in some circumstances, especially no limit
danielpbarron: ya, I agree, but he doesn't throw chips in while doing it
ozbot: The Codeless Code:
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> but he was too scummy for me << elitism!
mircea_popescu: we need to come up with an equivalent convo breaker for "check your privilege"
assbot: Voicing twizt for 30 minutes.
twizt: i guess i need to trade with some people
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4058 @ 0.00010591 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: ok, i got an idea earlier today, which i'd go halves with you into.
Duffer1: ;;rate twizt 1 hexs and hotsauce
twizt: need like 30k for process schedule
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user twizt has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: the idea is this : flavoured edible lube. basically, clumps of gelatin,
mircea_popescu: you could make beacon lube, kentucky fried chicken lube,
twizt: that sounds disgusting
mircea_popescu: all the fat useless hogs that never date'd buy it to pretend like they do a lot of fucking,
mircea_popescu: and then guzzle it straight from the bottle while posting on reddit
twizt: nah the hot sauce is better then flavored lube
mircea_popescu: you laugh but i'm dead serious. this could be the #1 thing sold in the states.
Duffer1: i dunno if you made it alcoholic i'd agree
twizt: im trying to get next to that bottle of ketchup and A1 sauce thats standard in most restaurants
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 you could make a butterscotch flavouring, an old whiskey flavouring etc
twizt: nah lube isnt defensive enough play for me
twizt: condiments index beats overall index usually by 4x+
mircea_popescu: dude you keep throwing numbers and shit into my clearly brilliant idea.
mircea_popescu: i should have just kept it secret like ninjashogun advised
TestingUnoDosTre: I'de throw at least a btc at that for development... and trials
Duffer1: MP did you ever get a hold of crazy_rabbit about that cold storage device?
mircea_popescu: i'd prolly be worried she's sick, like a dog with a warm nose.
twizt: maybe u should try it
twizt: what do u need lube and mcdonalds?
mircea_popescu: and i don't know how to make mcdonalds flavouring for the other
assbot: Voicing sunshyne for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if coca-cola could be persuaded into offering coca-cola lube to go with its coca-cola lite
BingoBoingo: twizt: Maybe start with ISBN-13: 978-0895827449
twizt: or buy existing product on market and add mickYDs flavor
twizt: pretty sure u can do a licensing agreement
ozbot: Amazon.com: ID Juicy Water-Based, Edible Lubricant - Assorted 10 Pack Sampler: Health & Personal Car
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
TestingUnoDosTre: That's more beef than mcd's offers, we're gonna have to get some horse gel to tone it down
TestingUnoDosTre: Slightly suspicious "Store in a cool dry place. Do not get in eyes, on skin, on clothing, wash thoroughly after handling"
TestingUnoDosTre: They swear it has no bovine spongiform encephalopathy... until now
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay "that things I generally assume don't need eliding " << you sure you know what eliding means ?
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Elide
HeySteve: I knew someone who did ok selling "marital aids"
HeySteve: when I met her she was a secretary at a precious metals dealer
HeySteve: lost touch, next time I saw her she was at Sexpo selling a spray for tingles
mircea_popescu: "Thank you for visiting ViaSpray SA! ViaSpray is designed for YOU!!! No matter what your age, race or gender! "
HeySteve: all SA products must carry equalism boilerplate
mircea_popescu: "bespoke clothing, no matter your waistline, height or style!"
HeySteve: less questions, most spritzing!
BingoBoingo: I wonder if that bitcoin buttplug is coming in multiple sizes
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00095966 / 0.00096593 (509702 shares, 489.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096846 / 0.00101 (3334383 shares, 3,229.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092699 / 0.00101 (23205346 shares, 21,511.35 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522 = 0.1044 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00096166 = 10.4821 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0522999 = 0.2615 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0522999 = 0.8368 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Jurov posted a link to this thing earlier and nao I'm reading it all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00095512 = 14.4223 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I've been addicted to it too
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: 45 minutes of reading them last night
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I've just about given them the once over. I'll probably re-read them again over a few days.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669997 = 0.134 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.00988186 = 0.2174 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.00953844 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00095358 = 9.2974 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52985758 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.052 = 0.624 BTC [-]
fluffypony: OpenBSD have started a strip-down and cleanup of openSSL
artifexd: That will be a herculean effort.
pankkake: nice. I was looking for openssl alternatives, and while there are some (with nicer APIs and lighter codebases), the licenses won't satisfy everyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7546 @ 0.00096408 = 7.2749 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: artifexd: agreed, but considering the amount of effort they put into their modified Apache 1.3 (till they switched to nginx last month) makes me think they can accomplish it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06615 = 0.1323 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06590001 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: "Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1661 @ 0.00096459 = 1.6022 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: except everyone hates what gnome does
bounce: at least gnome /was/ more or less confined to its own thing and its invariably byzantinely dependent apps. enter the freedesktop.org bunch, and poettering+gang.
pankkake: I don't have issues with those things, they are overall improvements
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0665 = 0.1995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0665 = 0.133 BTC [+]
bounce: (deliberate) incompatability by stuffing functionality with strong preference-flavour added where there previously was room for alternative approaches in places that don't need the added complexity and opacity, with added fall-out to well outside the "linux" world and insisting breaking others' software are improvements now? explain that one, please.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]
fluffypony: and LXDE-Qt if you desperately need Qt everywhere
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.522 = 4.698 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009252 = 0.185 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.065626 = 0.3281 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06475721 = 0.4533 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10533 @ 0.00096398 = 10.1536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00095403 = 7.3937 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: "The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief."
pankkake: most comments are actually good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009294 = 0.1859 BTC [+] {8}
punkman: sounds like Danny's dream of having a Bentley is gonna be over soon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0655 = 0.3275 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1200 @ 0.00013788 = 0.1655 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 767 @ 0.00014148 = 0.1085 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1500 @ 0.00014606 = 0.2191 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5607 @ 0.00015531 = 0.8708 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3127 @ 0.00017518 = 0.5478 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1231 @ 0.00019369 = 0.2384 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2090 @ 0.00025902 = 0.5414 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 900 @ 0.00027005 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1750 @ 0.0002701 = 0.4727 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00028629 = 0.2863 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2200 @ 0.00030121 = 0.6627 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 793 @ 0.00031 = 0.2458 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 753 @ 0.00036261 = 0.273 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00037004 = 0.37 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00037012 = 0.1851 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06674097 = 6.6741 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 276 @ 0.00037 = 0.1021 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3716 @ 0.00011678 = 0.434 BTC [+] {5}
pankkake: unless some large farm explodes
ThickAsThieves: Bitstamp is lying, saying my deposit had 3 confs, but blockchain says 6
ThickAsThieves: i'm still long, but keep getting sucked back into the game
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00096147 = 1.9229 BTC [+]
pankkake: so many asic manufacturers too
pankkake: I don't follow this a lot but there are some chinese who sell in stock stuff
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> lol who delivered this year ? // shit, it really is no one
pankkake: otherwise cointerra is the closest to delivering I guess
pankkake: still, there's a number of options. better than one single GPU manufacturer!
mircea_popescu: "Warrior Forum joins the Freelancer.com Family" dude this couldn't have been more appropriate.
ThickAsThieves: i bet odesk runs most of the action on those sites anyway
mircea_popescu: pankkake a number of options as to where to throw your btc down a well and hope while waiting aren;'t options in the sense we need.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's this getafreelancer.com site, too, and some other shit.
pankkake: by the way, GPU preorders were a thing, too. I preordered one like 15 years ago, it took months before I could have it
dignork: re: miners, have you seen spondoolies-tech? My friend works there, and apparently they shipped by plan.
mircea_popescu: shit i remember who owns that and was giving it away rent free to noobs, who the fuck was it
dignork: I know one of the devs there
mircea_popescu: they kinda look like they're showing teh women girlpronz
assbot: Voicing Tykling for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: dignork so tell one of teh techs to reg here, got a shot at way more biz than the ofrum can ever provide.
pankkake: macbooks are what you use in client meetings, but not what you use to actually work
dignork: mircea_popescu, will do :)
mircea_popescu: ahaha "make a transaction and get $5" dude they're really pushing huh.
pankkake: do they sell to EU? that would be probably illegal
ThickAsThieves: theyre probly like "Well, we're premining with these things for 60 days, so we should probly change that warranty!"
mircea_popescu: "We're about 25 KM from Gaza strip, not in any disputed territory."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4617 @ 0.00096147 = 4.4391 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so cute, the jews. "o, we're 25km from ww2, it's safe here"
davout: mircea_popescu: holders list pl0x
mircea_popescu: dude it's been six minutes ? what do yo uthink i run here, a team of naked ninjas ?
davout: mircea_popescu: that's what you keep advertising :D
punkman: you don't have a naked ninja team?
davout: the way i make my living is not for you to judge
davout: "Hi, I'm from al qaeda and i'm going to do something big on june first"
davout: june first : "first fully decentralized bitcoin exchange released by al qaeda girl"
davout: ThickAsThieves: i'm a jew, anything all-inclusive will do
davout: mircea_popescu: merci!
mircea_popescu: i think i may have all the papers ready to go within the week
mircea_popescu: when i was a kid the measure of your popularity was that all the kids on the block gathered under your windows screaming "Mr X, may X come out to plaaa-aaa-aaayyyyy ???"
mircea_popescu: so i'd go this shrug like "what can i do mom ? teh boyfatherland needs me"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves btw, did asicminer deliver the gen3 or still working on it ?
pankkake: I think my last issue with the fisc will finally get prescribed. yay
pankkake: there are sample chips in the wild
pankkake: rockxie and canaryinthemine (approximate spelling)
ThickAsThieves: i havent been following, i think the whole Rockminer deal is too fishy to take any of them seriously anymore
ThickAsThieves: my guess would be that AM feels theyve given enough to shareholders and will now focus on ways to reroute profit
mircea_popescu: it's like a mediocre marriage, nobody says what they mean and nobody does what they say.
ThickAsThieves: when gen2 vanished without much noise, and nothing happened for like 8mos, well...
davout: for those who have some X.EUR the positions rollover is done
mircea_popescu: basically tardstalk has managed to get itself out of the way of bitcoin conversation, tards foundation idem...
mircea_popescu: let this be a lesson about what "poorly managed" means. you start with a dominant, unassailable position, two years later it's not even clear who you are and what you do anymore.
davout: sounds like a good time to buy some btw :-)
davout: BTC is up 15~20% since this morning
davout: trades around 360 EUR on BC, was 300 yest, looks like it's going to drop at least a bit
fluffypony: I'm so bad at price speculation I gave up ages ago
davout: mircea_popescu: if you have some EUR collateral i can push you some ;-)
davout: mircea_popescu: also i can go short directly on BC
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well what the fuck am i going to end up owing him, btc goes to 5 eur ?
ThickAsThieves: what do you think will spark the next true bull phase?
mircea_popescu: Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash Power consumption:6.375W per chip
ThickAsThieves: but i dont have enough cash to buy this thing back to 1000!
fluffypony: didn't someone mention ransomware the other day, and how that may have contributed to the last run as people who would otherwise have been disinclined to purchase went and purchase?
fluffypony: so the solution could be to write some new ransomware?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it was a stupid idea tho. you realise this yes ?
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16452.849 bitcoins, for a total of 14624837.6264 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0850 seconds
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes I know, I'm just teasing
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you mighht have not noticed this, but bitstamp volume dried up to nothing.
mircea_popescu: their price signal is worth about as much as reddit opinion
davout: ThickAsThieves: mebbe some sort of EUR implosion/QE or whatever
assbot: Voicing roamfree for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5299999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal" << cheeky indeed.
pankkake: no new mining power added for 2 weeks?
mircea_popescu: chips have a lifetime. if that's not too long and later chips are worse quality eventually the diff will start dropping.
pankkake: right, perhaps in a few years then
thestringpuller: i havent checked the logs just woke up and saw it on reddit...
mircea_popescu: "The fraud charges are of my greatest concern right now, they are baffling to me"
mircea_popescu: o hey. i suppose it keeps in character. first business was baffling to the kid, now legal matters take a turn...
mircea_popescu: i suppose his feeling for ghiorghios, the unshaved truck driver will be baffling for him next.
mircea_popescu: Here is a message to the Criminal Investigation Department of the Cypriot Police:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.05240938 = 0.9434 BTC [+] {9}
pankkake: his statements are very confusing, but that has been going on for a while
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.0, Best ask: 493.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 493.0, 24 hour volume: 30647.12500074, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.428840083
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00096296 = 2.7444 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: why is it skngle middle aged women are far less annoying than 20's women...like they are still teens or something
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the former you don't want to fuck. less frustration for you.
TestingUnoDosTre: Can't believe people think smoking adds to healthcare costs. The people die earlier and faster
nubbins`: easier on your knees, certainly
nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: here in canada, we keep smokers alive as long as possible. tis a burden
nubbins`: mircea_popescu flat on the back, natch
nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: although to be fair, tobacco taxes more than cover it
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre you don't understand the environment. buncha clueless broads sitting around encouraging each other. sorta like what we do here, except without the smarts.
pankkake: TestingUnoDosTre: it might (cancer is expensive), but it reduces retirement costs
nubbins`: just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D
mircea_popescu: if smoking gives you cancer it just shows you had a shitty constitution,
mircea_popescu: smoking is pretty much the only selective behaviour left.
nubbins`: smoking: the sieve of modern man
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D << wait wait. what sort of scamliberal are you ?! THAT IS THE DEFINITION!
TestingUnoDosTre: If you consider coat avoidance, I'm quite sure it would cost more to keep a,non smoker living in their latter years
nubbins`: we live in a word not of black and white but of shades of grey ;D
assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53199995 = 1.064 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: anyway, I'm usually going out to not smoke
pankkake: because they want to be offended at something
pankkake: being offended is a full time job
mircea_popescu: gives them something to write on twitter about, gives them something to talk to me about... what's their alternative ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves exactly. easiest full time job their is. which is why and how women that age end up with it, in all times and all places.
ThickAsThieves: ive fired more old women clients than clients have ever fired me
mircea_popescu: hey kakobrekla : your !b add-on was so successful, people don't even know how to bash as a result.
mircea_popescu: fucking geeks omfg. !b for insta and go paste in the site otherwise
nubbins`: i've got quotes on bash.org from when i was like 15 ;(
nubbins`: funny, there was a scammer trying to impersonate me in -otc the other day
nubbins`: y'know, the sort of nick that a non-scammer would have
steven-__: really like this new model you have imposed mircea_popescu having to be voiced to talk. it makes me think back to when oink died and two sites popped up to trade music waffles and what it was much harder to get into what having to pass a test about encoding quality lossly vs lossless
http://www.whatinterviewprep.com/ but over the years you can really see the
steven-__: advantages to limiting who can be involved to people who care enough to learn the basics
nubbins`: i ended up removing the Hobo typeface from that one i shared ;(
mircea_popescu: but think of the environment nubbins` ! wouldn't you rather sit here and chat with us ?
nubbins`: you can pour 'em straight into the ocean with impunity
steven-__: yea pankkake your blog post was what got me thinking about it
kakobrekla: steven-__ i did about 0.5k or so interviews for what btw.
pankkake: I blog posted about it? or comment maybe
pankkake: what's your username kakobrekla? (I'm simply pankkake as I am everywhere)
steven-__: yea i had an account around the time oink ended but ended up using waffles and tt
steven-__: so when i came back to what i was blown away at how much better it was
pankkake: yeah, oink being closed ended up… a good thing. more competition, new software
nubbins`: indeed, not all water-based inks are created equal, which is why we use the good ones ;D
kakobrekla: This tree has 955 entries, 254 branches, and a depth of 6. It has 670 Users (70%), 214 Members (22%), 57 Power Users (6%), 13 Elites (1%) and 1 Torrent Master (0%). 536 users are disabled (56%), and 96 users have donated (10%).
pankkake: i guess it's easy to cheat on the interview
nubbins`: TBF we only use WB for paper, and plastisol for shirts. but once you cure plastisol, you can do w/e you want with it
kakobrekla: mostly its people who do not understand how hard it is to seed here
kakobrekla: tbh i have been helping by not seeding for last 2 years or so
pankkake: I upload new stuff and seed forever, never had to worry about anything
kakobrekla: i got to be tm for a short bit, but then lost the will and got degraded to elite :|
pankkake: I have been stuck in elite for years, yet I'm close
pankkake: unless there is a secret porn subforum, not interested
kakobrekla: its been fun even if people in charge are douchebags
pankkake: yeah, they banned me from the forums
kakobrekla: and i was 'sassing' some mod, they took my avatar rights as a reward.
steven-__: what has pretty good forums but in general i'm over the genre almost made some DIY speaker last year
kakobrekla: if its from those forums , its shit speakers.
pankkake: This tree has 144 entries, 36 branches, and a depth of 5. It has 113 Users (78%), 23 Members (16%), 6 Power Users (4%) and 2 Elites (1%). 97 users are disabled (67%), and 6 users have donated (4%).
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gribble: #20302 Sat Apr 12 11:27:48 2014 pankkake SELL 999.0 Private torrent trackers invites @ 0 FREE (Theses are free, only requirement is WoT presence. Keep your bitcoins to donate to the actual operators.)
pankkake: some assholes are selling those
pankkake: I have many, music, movies, porn, whatever you need
steven-__: most people forget and get disabled or can't keep up a good ratio because they only download stuff that's 12 hours old and seed it for 24-48 hours on (good trackers)
pankkake: I'm very sad underground-gamer closed, it was a gold mine of old great games
pankkake: joecool: "Invites are disabled for the moment. May never come back"
assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: Just got 2001 a space oddessy the other night. Gonna smoke up and make a holiday of it
assbot: Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.
Naphex: i was just about to auth with gribble, pre-thanks :)
kakobrekla: its prolly better than dead man, now that i think of it.
kakobrekla: well you still need to get your own voice
gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
TestingUnoDosTre: I just listened to the book on audio and its probably one of my favorite science fiction
joecool: TestingUnoDosTre: not 2001 honda odyssey?
steven-__: the prisoner was filming next to 2001 a space oddessy when they weren't on location at portmeirion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8754 @ 0.00096534 = 8.4506 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: mircea_popescu: romanian bitcoin->ron exchange where i slave during the day ;]
ThickAsThieves: i just lost my copy of Anathema, i was just getting started :(
mircea_popescu: pankkake romania changed its rol (romanian leu) at 10k for the new romanian leu so thus... ron
pankkake: I hope it's to honor Ron Paul!
bounce: they let their slaves irc from production servers?
Naphex: bounce: yeah its in the job benefits ;]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.52, Best ask: 494.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 30795.89377194, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.757676521
bounce: so what do you do there?
mircea_popescu: bout 5% off. some arb opportunity i guess. Naphex what's the confirmation process like ?
Naphex: bb in a few, gotta drive home. closing the office
Naphex: mircea_popescu: ID with quick confirmation for 15k eur+, some other paperwork for higher limit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0653 = 0.3265 BTC [-]
Naphex: as a bussiness its a monthly limit for 220k RON
assbot: Voicing cnxmari for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can copper drop ? i mean gold, i get it, political interest, fake bla bla bla, whatever. ok. but copper ?!
bounce: I s'pose there's the demand side
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06510404 = 2.4088 BTC [-] {10}
pankkake: because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.06499443 = 8.1243 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3828 @ 0.00016169 = 0.6189 BTC [-] {7}
Apocalyptic: <pankkake> because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market // that's what gypsies do in slovakia
pankkake: well, I'm saying romanians to tease, in France it's gypsies/roms/whatever
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu 14, benkay 12, jborkl 10, bingoboingo 8, bitcoinpete 8, khersonus 5, jurov 1, mike_c 1.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my, went to Colorado for my off week. Place is like heaven on earth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: They put a quarter ounce limit on purchasers from out of state, but you can walk right in the next day
mircea_popescu: a quarter ounce should be enough to smoke yourself out pretty well no ?
Duffer1: thickasthieves gotta buy another copy then ^.^ it's worth it
mike_c: some of us only write when we have something to say ;)
assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: All great sci-fi aside, anybody read Lermontovs A Hero of Our Time?
mircea_popescu: lol someone caught on the splendid "free speech" dilemma maged built for teh tardstalk management.
mircea_popescu: "we don't ban scams and scammers, but this isn't because they pay us, it's simply because we believe in free speech ; we do however ban people exercising free speech, because it's bad for business."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0524 = 0.3144 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032 = 0.192 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03110007 = 0.1244 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0524 = 0.2096 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: "The fact that people like MPOE-PR, Deprived, and pankkake were paid to say I was a scammer and lie about me didn't help either."
fluffypony: so, how do I get a piece of this action?
Duffer1: who's quoted there fluffypony?
Apocalyptic: the length people go to make up shit these days... amazes me
fluffypony: "Look at Marc (Kakobrekla) who is now business partners with Mircea Popescu. When Pirate collapsed, CPA paid him 1140 BTC. Just like that. We didn't scam anybody. But what does he do? He removed his WOT rating for me."
fluffypony: kakobrekla: how could you do that! remove a WOT rating! the horror.
pankkake: well usagi given that he mentions Deprived
jborkl: obvious scams to customers ok, fuck you not ok- we understand da ruulz now
mircea_popescu: afaik he did in fact pay a hefty sum back i nthe day (btc was like 5 bux then or something). all those posts are beleeted now, but they were riotous
joecool: he gasses children for a living
nubbins`: you can make a living doing that?
fluffypony: isn't he the guy Luke-Jr is constantly fighting with?
nubbins`: i remember trying to describe being gassed for my tonsil removal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
nubbins`: after struggling for a bit, i said "it's like doing whippets until you pass out"
nubbins`: moments later, i realized it *is* doing whippets until you pass out
joecool: i got to know him awhile back from his kernel patchset, his main coding hobby before bitcoin was rewriting the linux cpu sched
mircea_popescu: "The Whippet (also English Whippet or Snap dog) is a breed of medium-sized dog"
mircea_popescu: i knew all you labradorian/newfoundlandians are weird. sexually speaking.
mircea_popescu: joecool jborkl so basically old time dev with impacted notions. aite.
joecool: Linux superbia 3.13.10-ck1 #5 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 18:25:25 EDT 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: There's been hostility between the two that leds to the cgminer bfgminer fork
joecool: Luke-Jr: you need to msg the bot to talk
assbot: Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voice for Luke-Jr extended to 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: "This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.00077777 = 0.1867 BTC [-]
nubbins`: Darwin Jons-MB.local 13.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.1.0: Thu Jan 16 19:40:37 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.90.20~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they were a data miner, on the full feeds of shit like twitter and instagram
nubbins`: so twitter bought their own data
fluffypony: so twitter bought a data miner of their own data?
joecool: i suppose it's easier than paying for the development of a new internal tool
bounce: keeps the competition from looting your "IP", and maybe allows you to snoop on the competition.
nubbins`: joecool for some definitions of "easy"
fluffypony: "hey dawg, I heard you like data, so we bought some data so we could put your data inside the data"
mircea_popescu: really this entire circus is not so much unlike usagi's 2012 businesses. usagi-cpa has bought usagi-derp from usagi-herp worth OVER NINE THOUSAND
bounce: value-add to the valuation, win-win maximisation, hey hey hey
BingoBoingo: Really usagi is probably more instructive than Pirateat40 for things to beware of
pankkake: it's also the French name of the wifebeater shirt
bounce: bit of a recursive fail, that pic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.064305 = 0.1286 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00012005 = 0.7203 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: soo, some twerps in spain decided "trilema" sounds kinda cool, started a foundation whatever. i sent them a friendly note about six months ago pointing out that it's a registered trademark and they're playing with fire. which they ignored.
mircea_popescu: so today i got to send them a notice that they either self-destruct and apologize or else i'm suing them. in, obviouisly, romanian court.
mike_c: do they spell it wrong too?
fluffypony: is the trademark registered in the EU, or just in Romania?
mike_c: hah, you against a bunch of geezers :)
mircea_popescu: ima buy bitcoins out of trademark enforcing moneyz, how about that!
pankkake: the real question is why would you care?
mircea_popescu: they have a reciprocity deal so mickey mouse can be owned by disney
assbot: Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: they could have arranged a license back last year, if they had a clue.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: was that costly? I'm an Italian citizen, wife is German, so I can register an EU trademark instead of the shitty meaningless South African one
mircea_popescu: it doesn't pay to ignore what i say, and i'm definitely going to be enforcing THAT part.
mircea_popescu: and you don't need to be any sort of citizen, you can reg it on your corp.
joecool: US trademarks are a lot cheaper
mircea_popescu: granted i've not reg'd any in years, but they were about the same back in the day
joecool: mircea_popescu: for a US trademark, i think it cost ~$400 or so
mircea_popescu: yeah, you can get regional marks in the us too, for a coupla hundred iirc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0325 = 0.5525 BTC [+]
joecool: mircea_popescu: i must have misread, i thought trilema was just EU-registered
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 39 @ 0.08299776 = 3.2369 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00519999 = 0.156 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing wywialm for 30 minutes.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wywialm has been recorded.
gribble: Nick 'wywialm', with hostmask 'wywialm!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl', is identified as user 'wywialm', with GPG key id B8F8FFF5052A2FA4, key fingerprint 6066C0309D81DBE48E97D6CCB8F8FFF5052A2FA4, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: It'll take plenty of military paychecks to cover the $5,600 price tag
BingoBoingo: Well they give is paygrade as E-3 and the year 2010, lemme pull up the paycheck
BingoBoingo: With the 4 years of service mentioned $1923/month
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1657 @ 0.00012 = 0.1988 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing neilol for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, what i meant was teh gun is pretty cheap considering it's a .5 bolt
assbot: Voicing Neil for 30 minutes.
neilol: not sure of the process but if i need it
gribble: Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Still the expensive part with something like that is feeding it.
mircea_popescu: neilol i meant Neil. you, i think you'll have to get into the wot first
assbot: Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.
Naphex: tbh this might be an annoying system :]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05115252 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3}
Naphex: don't do much OTC to get rated
BingoBoingo: No less than $3.50 quickly goes up from there
pankkake: first one is basically a dildo
mircea_popescu: but in principle if you're practice shooting you dun care.
BingoBoingo: Well depends on how far you are practicing out to.
bounce: funny how those "birthers" complain about policies set by, er, the previous guy?
mircea_popescu: "Due to limited supplies, and high demand this item has a 10 piece maximum order quantity per customer, every 1 day." heh
BingoBoingo: bounce: To be fair they were also angry about the guy before the previous guy
mircea_popescu: pankkake kinda has to be a dildo, cause otherwise body armor.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03261752 = 0.1305 BTC [-] {3}
bounce: that sounds like what I'd been thinking already: they're looking for excuses to dislike, instead of just admitting they don't like that party
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315005 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: anybody from blockchain.info / or with connections to buy some ad space on it?
mircea_popescu: iirc he worked there, can prolly get you in touch with whoever.
BingoBoingo: Basically there are a lot of people who want the US to collapse the wrong way, and they were ready to see it happen over cows.
bounce: what, there's a right way to collapse?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096616 = 7.2462 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the russians don't agree, but i would say the way the soviet union collapsed is the right way to collapse.
mircea_popescu: no violence, massive humiliation, come back in two decades as a major.
Apocalyptic: bounce, there is, like there is a right way to land a plan without engines
Naphex: akamai released a guarded allocator for openssl
bounce: IMO there's a larger issue but this is as good a hook as any, and that's that plenty the infrastructure relies on same being present and functional. there's a few ways to guard against that, and we might investigate them all.
wywialm: how can this scenario be possible in case of US?
mircea_popescu: wywialm same way it was possible in the case of the ussr, i guess.
bounce: might be useful to survey the cracks and see how serious they are
mircea_popescu: Naphex so what exactly is your function at this btcxchange thing ?
bounce: like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out.
wywialm: bounce, what is your estimate of the current us cracks?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: mostly coding
bounce hasn't even started with the study. but it looks less well than it perhaps ought to be.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: Horea Vuscan is the owner
Duffer1: is he the wallet or the ceo?
mircea_popescu: so whose was the idea to print the cert ? horea vuscan's ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.44522880 BTC to 8`385 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
wywialm: bounce, mircea_popescu, do you imagine that us collapse would come together with general usG collapse, including official default?
mircea_popescu: bounce i think your methodology is broken, in that it assumes a sort of linear scalability. broken government is not akin to broken windows.
mircea_popescu: wywialm us collapse = usg collapse. what else ? not like kansas will fall off the map or something.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: it's suposed to be wholly transparent, so yeah printing the cert was included
bounce: where'd you find linearity? o_O?
Naphex: public owner, cert printed, offices exist etc
mircea_popescu: Naphex aite send me mail from its domain i'll give you a 1 rating
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 683 @ 0.00015999 = 0.1093 BTC [+] {2}
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mircea_popescu: bounce here : "like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out."
bounce: I don't see it. I was saying to map it, do linear regression on it.
wywialm: i can imagine us collapse in the sense of it falling apart with some central power still serving the debt etc - not very realistic scenario, sure. I just wanted to ask to be sure
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BingoBoingo: wywialm: Basically the thing to hope for is USSR style collapse rather than Somalia style collapse
benkay: little pockets of civilization will endure, wywialm.
benkay: near eletricity generation sites, i'm hoping.
mircea_popescu: bounce so you don't see where linearity is in "linear regression" ?
bounce: oh, there's a "not" missing there. duh.
mircea_popescu: lol ok, well, if you elide nots it'll become hard to follow :D
dignork: mircea_popescu: I talked with Spondoolies-Tech CEO, he'll try to get to this channel later tonight, if you have any specific questions I can forward then in the meantime
bounce: point was to make visible the rot. what to do after that, well... can even just eyeball the thing and look at crumbling acceleration rates and such
dignork: asciilifeform: yes, no idea where the name came from
bounce: wikipedia knows, of course. sea shells.
wywialm: surely some sort of (even collapse-induced) decentralisation/recentralisation of power could bring much fresh air, but...
dexX7: can anyone tell me how google and other providers handle email rejections? i have some trouble with a hoster which i'm using as intermediate hop to relay my mails.. and currently every request/mail is rejected. service said they'll fix it "in the next 24 hours" -.-"
wywialm: ...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line
bounce: noticed how the french revolution caused /more/, not less, centralisation? france hasn't quite recovered yet.
fluffypony: dexX7: typically they let it through but flag it as spam unless something is very wrong
fluffypony: dexX7: is the intermediary hop in your SPF record?
wywialm: bounce, surely, but the ussr collapse, which is (as i noticed) main reference point now, lead to less centralization
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dexX7: i set the ns records of the hop in the domain settings and the intermediate simply redirects the mails
wywialm: so it's not easy to perform generalizations here. Probably most obvious example of decentralizing "collapse" (or rather decline) would be Rome
bounce: that took a goodly while, though
wywialm: maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature
bounce: likewise the ottoman empire
fluffypony: dexX7: yes, but the email will look like it's coming from the intermediary, no? so it will have to be in your SPF?
wywialm: bounce, thats why "collapse" and not collapse
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bounce: and, I don't think russia is quite done yet.
mircea_popescu: bounce as a "map the rot" project this is probably valuable even if it gets no direct results.
mircea_popescu: little better available in training devices in any craft than "failure examination"
fluffypony: dexX7: I'm guessing, of course, I may be wrong
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mircea_popescu: <wywialm> ...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line << it's the first in line of the set {US}
dexX7: well, should not be much of a problem, even if it's a blackhole at the moment. thanks fluffy anyway :)
fluffypony: dexX7: btw is this being used programmatically by a system, or is it normal user-generated emails?
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mircea_popescu: <wywialm> maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature << they didn't have the press. which is why it took longer. ussr didn't have the internet, which is why it took so damned long.
mircea_popescu: the us can collapse in all of two weeks, as tech stands today.
dexX7: rabbit answered re: cold glass devices and probably comes by sooner or later
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dexX7: fluffypony: it's simply a webhost with mail service which redirects all incomings
mircea_popescu: Naphex you'll prolly have to point out to your boss you're doing more marketing/pr than anyone there.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony srsly ? wtf does it do ? i was just deriding it yest.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: hehe, will send him a note :] only got 2 extra toothpicks this year:(
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I have constant issues with customers marking order updates as spam accidentally/on purpose, have that happen a few times and suddenly all customers stop getting emails from your domain
bounce: what, you're saying broadcasting unique serial numbers is somehow not automagic security on top? but! It's NFC, man!
mircea_popescu: is this vuscan fellow the son of the oil factory vuscan, with the 3 victims traffic accident ?
fluffypony: but mailgun mails seem to go through no problem
dexX7: well, there is something about DKIM in the header
Naphex: for cooking, was named after him i think
joecool: BingoBoingo: lawl, ozzy got away with paying texas $10k to forget about it
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so basically it sells you gmail protection services ? the spam racket ?
dexX7: anyway. i'm away again, thanks and bye :)
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is ycombinator involved in everything unsavoury.
bounce: they're angels, that's why
pankkake: dexX7: the basics are: reverse dns of sending server should be related to the expeditor domain (or at least be something), and SPF entries are always a plus
wywialm: mircea_popescu, still i don't see how currently visible and not visible but suspected cracks might bring down us
rithm: it's called "hacker news" after all
pankkake: you can search your IP on DNSBLs, maybe you've been flagged
joecool: $4k to "pay for the damage" who gets paid $4k to hose off a wall?
mircea_popescu: wywialm this is why i made my linearity objeciton. it won't collapse because of "cracks". it will collapse because all the people that matter are fucking sick of it.
mircea_popescu: and the people that matter are the 1%, not the average fucktard on reddit/the metro.
fluffypony: yeah, because Occupy Wall Street was so successful
fluffypony: it just kinda went nowhere and fizzled out
bounce: so? hairline cracks are much less % of aeroplanes, but if you don't watch out the wings might still fall off
wywialm: still, these people have some exposure to us treasuries - and yields are further than anytime from signaling default
Naphex: mircea_popescu: funny how people always remember the victim count :P
mircea_popescu: wywialm actually the exposure to treasuries is mostly pension funds.
wywialm: from my knowledge, the highest exposure is interbank collateral, bank reserves and China
mircea_popescu: wywialm we were talking fo the {1%, 99%} set I thought
mircea_popescu: banks reduce to their shareholders, and foreign sovereigns don't count
mircea_popescu: china holding us debt is no sort of statement of confidence in the usg, quite the contrary, it's a claim on its asshole.
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wywialm: i once gave it (the china matter) a thought, and currently i believe it is to weak a claim. in case of default, china would get much much more hurt than us
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wywialm: and banks are currently increasingly departed from their shareholders, too close to washington, dc
mircea_popescu: "china takes over alaska administration, in consideration of debts owed by us government"
wywialm: china banking system is built upon dollar reserves, after they evaporate, china could only use military force. And when it comes to war, any claim can serve only as a pretext
wywialm: i don't believe china would need a pretext if they were sufficiently prepared
mircea_popescu: chinese banks were built that way briefly in the 70s, i would guess.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile it's a lot more complicated, they also peg to the euro, they also peg to a russian synthetic-currency derived out of energy holdings,
wywialm: why then the china monetary growth halts so rapidly when US QE3 is gradually folding, both in terms of dollar money supply growth and expectation of its future path?
mircea_popescu: their asian interests marginally exceed us and europe combined, for instance.
mircea_popescu: so while it wouldn't be alaksa per se, there's plenty of places it can be.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: wywialm many possible reasons. they had a number of local crises brewing for a long time, when your neighbour is arrested for unkempt yard is a good time to do a little lawn mowing in your own.
wywialm: if the dollar wasn't their main reference point and concern, PBoC could sustain their previous money growth at will
wywialm: after all, inflating the currency is not so difficult
bounce: how much for alaska, buying a free state with bitcoin?
wywialm: obviously true, at least in case of china.
wywialm: i remember some economists claiming that e.g. Japan couldn't inflate any further by printing money
mircea_popescu: bounce i would guess when it eventually sells it'll be something like 500k-1mn btc
wywialm: that was before Kuroda at the BoJ, of course
wywialm: google richard koo, if i recall correcty
mircea_popescu: "Today, the tech industry is apparently on track to destroy one of the world’s most valuable cultural treasures, San Francisco, "
mircea_popescu: dude holy shit. san francisco is barely fucking notable, what is this navel grazing crap.
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wywialm: and hordes of speciffically flavoured keynesians fearing the zero lower bound of interest rates, the called for fiscal expansion as a substitute
mircea_popescu: it has a history, but no future, just like england has a history, but no future.
mircea_popescu: they'll be the 51th state of their respective local superpowers, and be used exactly like san francisco is used today
joecool: nubbins`: you buying at all? i need a small amount of CAD
mircea_popescu: "o hey, 200 years ago mark twain whom you've read though this place was pretty cool.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: how do I get btcx data into gribble?:D
mircea_popescu: nanotube may help you with that, possibly also talk to tcatm (runs bitcoincharts)
pankkake: first step is being on bitcoincharts I think
Naphex: already rolled out api, just need some accessors to help people with the public data
Naphex: hoping to finish the data plant and eur support sometime next week
Naphex: danielpbarron: one of the main programmers behind it
benkay: i'm here thestringpuller
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bounce: programmer? can you describe your set-up a bit?
Naphex: bounce: setup of what, like the workstation?
bounce: whatever you think is important about developing and running the exchange.
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jborkl: mircea_popescu you see the American Airways twitter reponse yesterday?
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assbot: Need a nickname, wywialm.
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Naphex: bounce: well for the trading engine i focused a lot on performance and security
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Naphex: Apocalyptic: java for the backend
Naphex: php for some of the frontend with no handling of critical data
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah, its not like its running in the browser
Naphex: plus you run it on isolated enviroment with no other vulnerable cruft there
wywialm: why did i get de-identified? why did i get kicked instead of muted?
Naphex: and you clean the input through load balancers before fowarding in it
Naphex: i expect more vulnerable code from C guys then Java guys tbh
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> java is focused on security ?! // surprised as well, it's not focused on performance either
pankkake: a selling point of java is its simplicity (I'm gentle, I hate that aspect but well)
Naphex: its pretty high performance if you're not running on shitty servlets
pankkake: in return it's easy to analyze
Naphex: Standalone java, nio, is pretty high performance tbh
Naphex: BigDecimal performance nicely as well
Naphex: don't belive it, try some benchmarks :P
Apocalyptic: Naphex, high performance compared to what an equivalent code compiled in C ? doubt it
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: yeah saw that, it's hilarious :)
pankkake: java is amazing in the sense that it performs well at benchmark
pankkake: but when you use it it FEELS so slow
Apocalyptic: pankkake, java and amazing don't belong to the same sentence, ever :D
fluffypony: I'll take an exchange with Java on the back than PHP any day
pankkake: fluffypony: yeah. even though, again, I really don't like Java as a developer
Naphex: and i do C, C++ as well
Naphex: nothing to dislike about it
Naphex: its got hard types, you get away from low level
Naphex: its not that bad too scale, threading is a breeze
Naphex: NIO classes are awesome
Naphex: everything is checked, exceptions everywhere (yes a good thing) :)
Apocalyptic: exception handlers are a killing performance
pankkake: yes, it's certainly cleaner than C++ on that aspect
Apocalyptic: you get away from low level // that's almost always a bad thing in performance critical applications
Naphex: Apocalyptic: they don't kill too much performance when you are sensible about it
Apocalyptic: i.e. it will probably spend a tremendous amount of time doing things you don't want it doing
bounce: how do load balancers clean input?
Naphex: doing Price-Time prio is not that performance critical that you can't do it with BigDecimal and java
Naphex: or you have to do a C/C plugin to optimize :P
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Naphex: bounce: load balancer with packet inspection, validate messages and packets before
Apocalyptic: since you work with sathosi-precision an uint_64 is all you need
Apocalyptic: he bignum library will once again slow things down
Naphex: Apocalyptic: as in write a C .so to implement/optimize bogdowns
bounce: validate in what sense, ip packets? tcp streams?
Naphex: Apocalyptic: its not about that, you eventually want to support more currencies and some money formatting
Naphex: bounce: down to data packets for specific services
Apocalyptic: you're telling me you will need to store things above 64-bit precision ?
Naphex: Apocalyptic: its not that, but a lot more went into picking java, and i definetly wouldn't have picked C:P
Naphex: programmer availability would have been another one
Apocalyptic: for now all you're arguments for using java are kinda superfluous
Naphex: hard to find good C programmers vs java ones
Naphex: this around the location where i live
Apocalyptic: and it's clearly not optimized for performance given what you've described
kakobrekla: ;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a requirement of leaving the feedback, but since he is asking to give him back btc 'for old time
kakobrekla: sakes', I will leave this feedback here.
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Naphex: easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced
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Apocalyptic: <Naphex> easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced // ok this is a point
Apocalyptic: but you will notice it has nothing to do with performance or securit
fluffypony: kakobrekla: now he'll have to recant his earlier statement
bounce: so, java for the back-end and some php for some front. what about the tradig webfront and the trading api?
Naphex: is from a java / rpc server standpoind :]
kakobrekla: ;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a clause re. wot, but since he is asking back btc, I will leave it here.
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Naphex: bounce: trading api just hits same engine api server as the frontend
mircea_popescu: Naphex you know you should be using ints for bitcoin in the first place. wtf decimal bs is this
bounce: everybody knows accounting should be done on the double
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Naphex: mircea_popescu: bigdecimal gets to deal with all that, and you don't have to store multiple currencies with a scale value as well
Naphex: i have multi-currency support handled in the engine
mircea_popescu: if i were designing this it'd all be satoshi based, and your 19.99 dollars'd read as 1999000000
Naphex: and then you would've have kept the scale value as well right
Apocalyptic: maybe just set some smaller precision on the fiat side
bounce: alright, so, you cook up a new feature. hit reload and it goes live? or how does that work?
mircea_popescu: you're on a 64 bit system, who the fuck is going to deposit enough dollars to take you out of maxint
bounce: YKINMK, and anyway, let the guy explain
Apocalyptic: mircea, because he uses some arbitrary precision library he doesn't have a clue that he doesn't need it
Naphex: use bigdecimal and let it handle o.O
bounce: or that mexican telephone guy
davout: Apocalyptic: what's wrong with a bigdecimal type?
Apocalyptic: compared to native int handling it's worse performance-wise
Naphex: i just don't need it, and would probably run faster going native
Naphex: too bad i run this on 32 core
Naphex: and i never get too feel much performance increase yet
davout: Apocalyptic: benchmark pl0x
Apocalyptic: even so, it will use 2 registers to store one Naphex
davout: also if you really care about this kind of performance difference you're doing some seriously messed up shit
Apocalyptic: still better than the thousands of CPU-cycles overhead using that BigDecimal
Naphex: time to start writing a new exchange engine, with its own kernel ;]
Naphex: Apocalyptic: too bad i can scale this too still low cost and get whole bitcoin exchange trafic
Naphex: and not break much sweat
davout: Apocalyptic: is it what you think or have you actually benchmarked it ? also cpu cycles are a couple of order of magnitudes cheaper than the time it takes to handle it the code level by hungry humans
bounce: naphex: suppose you cook up a new feature. how does it go in? save work, reload and go?
bounce: davout: for single applications, yes. for things that run on 30M+ cpus, not so much.
Naphex: bounce: nah, git checkout, compile, run tests, test in pre-production, run tests again
bounce: s/single/& deployment/ really
Apocalyptic: davout, i don't need to benchmark something I know will require 1 ASM MUL EAX,EBX instruction for exemple compared to a Java arbitrary-precision library
Naphex: when you do git checkout there are some other code preprocessing before, but doesn't matter
bounce: alright, so you have separate dev/test/prod environments. how does roll-back work, should that be necessary?
Naphex: bounce: time based snapshots, backups, and replayable transactions with microtime acuracy
Naphex: roll back everything to point in time X
Apocalyptic: "replayable transactions with microtime acuracy" now that's something nice
Naphex: worst case scenario manual data importing and conversiion
davout: Apocalyptic: what kind of software that's so sensitive to minor performance differences were you guys discussing anyway ?
bounce: assuming you didn't have to do it in anger (yet)
bounce: what's the database like?
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davout: Apocalyptic fluffypony and you guys worry about this kind of performance difference?
Apocalyptic: davout, when you come in claiming you have focused on performance yes
kakobrekla: all you really need is a better string.
Naphex: bounce: in memory, sql back stores
fluffypony: davout: I'd probably go Galera Cluster for the DB + something monolithic for the trading engine...python? nfi. I haven't thought this through.
Naphex: Apocalyptic: haven't focused that far, no more debunking needed:P
bounce: so java in-memory or something like I dunno memcached?
Naphex: java in memory, with some inhouse disk based storage, and sql backstores
fluffypony: Naphex: you should switch to mongodb, it it's good enough for CoinBase it should be good enough for everyone
davout: Apocalyptic fluffypony i wouldn't care about that, i'd care about having a fault tolerant memory db, that slowly gets synced to an actual rdbms
bounce: apropos, which sql thinger?
bounce: ever had the power go out?
Naphex: bounce: diesel backup ;]
bounce: hope you don't have to crank it up manually. :-)
Naphex: there's a slave there who does it :))
bounce: he fast enough that the batteries don't outrun him then?
Naphex: he senses power loss 20 minutes early
Naphex: using romanian voodoo magic ;]
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, ask if they still have some copper left in the DC
bounce: so, that's one box with 32cpus does everything except the load balancing?
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Naphex: bounce: enough servers for everything, some stuff runs isolated
bounce: 10BASE5 tentacled bus, silly
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Naphex: realtime monitoring, rrd's for everything with alerts, everything critical is on a dashboard :)
bounce: who's looking at it, you?
bounce: if that's a question.... anyway, whose phone's gonna ring when the dashboard turns red?
bounce: how many people total, about five or so?
bounce: alright, the prosecution rests. ;-)
Naphex: money is important for everyone ;]
bounce: yeah. these're the sort of questions people should've been asking from the start.
bounce: you at least look to've thought about it, so that's something.
Naphex: i did lots of this stuff before, so most come in natural
bounce: you worked at a bank before?
Naphex: a lot more risk to expect from handling money and bitcoins then public transport data
Naphex: embedded and industrial app development, in software
bounce: bit of an old boys network, apparently. hard to get chummy with if you're not one of them.
fluffypony: bounce: and also seems to be quite an MS shop in many parts, at least with the older more established banks
bounce: winderz but often with ibmish backends
fluffypony: lots of IBM DB2 on the backend if it's really old stuff
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bounce: really should do linux (well, *BSD really) thin clients at least for all the desks, and something reasonable for a back-end. which might still be some mainframe or other.
fluffypony: and then for some reason automation and tooling written in COBOL
bounce: s/desks/teller stations/
fluffypony: bounce: from about 2003-2007 I was heavily involved with two of the local banks
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fluffypony: the one, Standard Bank, ran OS/2 warp in a VM for their home loans client
fluffypony: literally every single agent/manager/support person in the home loans dept used that
fluffypony: because rewriting the system would have been too expensive, and IBM sold them on OS/2 in the 80s/90s
bounce: OS/2 does funky things to the hardware, apparently a bitch to emulate
bounce: not a bad move otherwise. though I'd still be mighty tempted to just quietly start and refactor parts until I have a fully working system, even if it takes a few years
fluffypony: well that was one of the projects I was on
fluffypony: instead of live reporting off DB2 (each business unit pays for DB2 access they use over the month, so it's pricey) it was cheaper to drop and re-copy the entire DB every night to a reporting DB
fluffypony: re-index, and fresh reports are available in the morning
fluffypony: no clue if it progressed much from there, I went on to other things
bounce: page appears to make some unwarranted assumptions in the layout, but anyway
Naphex: all sorts of machines for eastern europe mostly
bounce: should be plenty market, if a bit cash-strapped
Naphex: few cities in romania that use our full solution for public transport
Naphex: some parking meters for poland
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fluffypony: it's honestly one of our better publications
BingoBoingo: C == Portable language that is dangerous because it offers too many points of failure, Java ==Portable language that places points of failure in the runtime to avoid C's points of failure
Apocalyptic: C is raw power, it's dangerous if you don't really know what you're doing
Naphex: i don't have anything against C
Naphex: just wouldn't use it for a big project involving 4+ programmers in a usual work day
mike_c: hardware garbage collection? what arch does that?
jurov: iirc lisp machines had no addressable memory, only stack
jurov: no heap = no garbage colletion
mike_c: so i dump a 5mb buffer on the stack?
mike_c: is lisp functional? this seems odd.
artifexd: jborkl: Dude! That is a seriously massive improvement!
bounce: bit heavy on the js for a page that doesn't look like it should need any
BingoBoingo: bounce: I have some basic (google free) analytics stuff.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096134 / 0.00097025 (244990 shares, 235.52 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096606 / 0.00101 (3233012 shares, 3,123.30 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093014 / 0.00101 (22748973 shares, 21,159.92 BTC)
Apocalyptic: "but they said they are an industry-grade exchange !"
jborkl: artifexd ty - I am using a js cache on the server
jborkl: so might be why it looks heavy idk have not gotten that far yet
bounce: google isn't exactly parsimonious with client cycles.
bounce: pretty speedy response at least. but how the fsck do you fail to account for p/l on a day you "restart your systems"? what're they running, batch-only dinosaurs?
Apocalyptic: "Part of the gains or losses for that day are lost" is this acceptable ?
bounce: I'd say no, but I'm no accountant.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.17320895 BTC to 13`595 shares, 23341 satoshi per share
pankkake: bio id will always be stupid, why even try
bounce: hax! and yet you can see paypal deaffirm their religious beliefs in fingerprint "security". no wonder the hatted bunch keeps on having a field day.
fluffypony: remember that like 90% of the world thinks "password" is an ok password, and "password1234" is secure
pankkake: maybe for unlocking the phone if it has been unlocked less than an hour ago, but I would never put more trust in it
fluffypony: stuff like TouchID when coupled with iCloud Keychain is awesome for the general populace
fluffypony: as it makes drive-by attacks much harder
fluffypony: and moves the attack surface from drive-by, remove attacks, to on-device/in-person attacks
fluffypony: which are more sophisticated and targeted
bounce: why yes, "make believe security" and other snake oil are awesome for the general populace
fluffypony: bounce: we're talking about a significant improvement over the current state of affairs, that isn't snake oil
fluffypony: unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P
bounce: convenient shiny fingerprint pads with pre-supplied fingerprints are of course very well helped when secured by... fingerprints
fluffypony: sure, but it requires physical presence
fluffypony: you need to physically control the device
fluffypony: and unless you know I'm Bob the Billionaire with Billionz in his Bank...why target me?
bounce: sure, pickpockets and petty thieves usually prefer billionaires, that's a fact.
fluffypony: I don't think there's been a successful attack on TouchID / Samsung's fingerprint login that lifted a fingerprint from the device and used it to unlock it?
Naphex: fluffypony: backdoors in phone software ninjaing your accesses?:p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1770 @ 0.00096649 = 1.7107 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: what was that lovely bypass bug in iOS again?
bounce: then there's the radio interface side
fluffypony: Naphex: yeah but that's a different attack surface entirely, I'm just talking about taking the general security level of the general populace up a notch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096426 = 4.2427 BTC [-]
fluffypony: bounce: I fully agree, but again, we're not talking about sophisticated attacks here
bounce: the thing is that this "general populace" includes everyone, which to the fone company certainly includes *you*
nubbins`: joecool_ sorry, i generally don't buy
fluffypony: bounce: also most of the iOS bypass bugs I've played with have exposed photos, or the dialler, or something...not a complete unmitigated unlock
bounce: the only real fix is that we really start thinking about this, and indeed, educate most people --which used to be possible, they learned their letters and numbers too, after all-- instead of just throwing the latest in buzzwordery at it. like "biometrics".
bounce: especially since biometrics are fundamentally and fatally flawed
mircea_popescu: "I assure you our system is not fundamentally flawed, there are bugs and we try to find them before the customer."
bounce: it's the industry standard, with pentesting and other such "due diligence"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony "password1234!" is ultra-secure << remember the 88seals88 and pokerseals etc pws ?
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P << i just belive everyone who isn't is going to be relegated to the salt mines. why should every human qualify as a "user" ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: so survival of the secure-ist?
mircea_popescu: whosoever can not use a computer, should not be using computers.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: agreed. is this about the time I self-identify as a bitcoin-assets cultist?
mircea_popescu: but you know... what now, make books that even people who won't learn the alphabet can read ?
mircea_popescu: bounce tbh biometrics was a thing of the 70s i thought. pretty much all sf of that decade had it, and by 90s it was in every action movie out there.
bounce: bingoboingo: later model MIPS in new process might be interesting too
fluffypony: it could start with the difference between your and you're, than and then, and (to spite me) principal and principle:-P
Apocalyptic: "I have a family funeral to attend." #1 BS excuse
Apocalyptic: seriously the guy isn't even trying to sound legit
bounce: oh, you want 32bit. hm. how about Z80000 for something nicely obscure? maybe moto 88k?
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: I always ask if I can go along to provide support :)
BingoBoingo: bounce: Sure but I dunno what a MIPs cooks as. A Vax though is a noble animal that has the potential for a delicious meat pie. Also just the sound of Vaxberry Pie works.
mircea_popescu: 'Mass abduction' at #Nigeria school- about 100 girls, likely by Boko Haram
BingoBoingo: bounce: A big point is that OpenBSD is already on Vax working well, and they are very unlikely to abandon it.
fluffypony: "Yes I am Mirceau Popescu soon to be extradited to the USSA"
bounce: apparently biometrics stays afloat on the pretty pix in teh moveez, for if you spend but a few seconds thinking about it, it becomes obvious that it cannot be a good fit for the purpose
Apocalyptic: "The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief"
fluffypony: kakobrekla: no, only if it's local, I'm assuming this isn't someone asking to go on an overseas holid^z^z^z^z family emergency
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic except it works like this : scammers love to mention their kids/wives (anyone recall patrick harnett ?)
mircea_popescu: for many reasons, part of which being that the emotional fuckwits who "invest" with them react to such
mircea_popescu: but a bigger part of which being that when they go to shit, they can try to divert the discussion on unrelated emo topicsa
mircea_popescu: as if anyone gives a shit if danny brewster's daughter ends up in a snuff video or in cypriots have talent
assbot: Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.
Anduck: chairman_meow: now you can ask more info from people here who may know how it works
mircea_popescu: but no, let's discuss nonsense instead of how fuckwit danny failed to enter the wot, then failed to heed when mp said get in the wot or i'll fuck you up, then got fucked up.
chairman_meow: assbot isnt working properly. I already ident'ed with gribble. I PM'ed !up to assbot, but it's failing
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot paulo_
Anduck: Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu: if it works correctly, then the message is wrong. "You must auth with gribble first."
mircea_popescu: maybe kakobrekla can be arsed to make special error messages for each case. or maybe not. ha-ha!
pankkake: I have compiled sudo with the "offensive" USE flag. when my password is wrong, I get random insults
mircea_popescu: "If individuals admit guilt & reach civil settlement w/ govt, they can't deduct costs from tax returns. Companies can" << true, and pretty epic
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 15899 BTC profit, 33.1k BTC invested, 1044.40 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered
bounce: such not authenticated
assbot: Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla apparently if id'd but untrusted guy pms assbot he gets the same message as if he weren't id'd.
Naphex: nah you get you need wot>0
Anduck: mircea_popescu: i've been wondering why do you not use bitcointalk forums?
Anduck: and why doesnt your pr use irc???
Anduck: well why is his pr then using bitcointalk :D
chairman_meow: maybe assbot is sending to gribble ";;ident chairman_meow"
mircea_popescu: i spent some money trying to educate a bunch of idiots.
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: chairman_meow: Well what you do affects how you get trust
bounce: chairman_meow: trade, impress, get chummy with, con, bribe, blackmail, what-have-you.
Anduck: someone with assbot trust now needs to rate him
chairman_meow: ok, you can just let me be unvoiced now. I guess I'll eventually get that trade
BingoBoingo: Well I wouldn't be averse to offering trust for a small trade if I knew what the person's shtick is
mircea_popescu: kinda curious what that guy that was going to do the math to show how weight is not sharp enough comes up with.
assbot: Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: chairman_meow start with simpler stuff. what do you do ?
BingoBoingo: Not necessary monetary, quid pro quo works
Apocalyptic: Anduck, that's probably the extent of his involvement with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: because if he comes back with something like 10% i'll challenge him to prove it, after which rate him.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, anyone can invest a bitcent anywhere, hardly a qualifier.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096236 = 7.2177 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03000101 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2}
chairman_meow: I haven't invested much. it's a small amount. I'm looking for more returns on bitcoin price swings
chairman_meow: so... I guess I don't really need access to this channel
bounce: ;;rate naphex 1 btcxchange.ro, grilled with cheese
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user naphex has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: well if you got something materially relevant you can always get someone to up you, so, no need to panic
fluffypony: ;;rate Naphex 1 if btcxchange.ro steals your money this guy will personally sort you out
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded.
Naphex: hehe thanks for the rate ^^
assbot: Voicing LorenzoMoney for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Ah, this Baron thing is hard. Especially when it comes to considering what may be worthy of accepting someone as a Ridder or Jonhkeer
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well I was more imagining what it would take for a Rasberry Pi to truly be a TI-89 surrogate than imagining a project for myself in the near future.
mircea_popescu: so a bunch of romanians found an ancient article in which i sliced a rabbit and are having aneurisms all over my comment section. kinda funnay to watch.
jborkl: my WOT nick is jborkl_ and the nick I use is jborkl - you have to change to jborkl_ with gribble auth with assbot then /nick jborkl
jborkl: that is why his did not work
mircea_popescu: there's a thin sliver of romanians who wannabe us hipster liberals.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably an East Coast thing. No serious problem finding them here.
paulo_: I can confirm jborkl. using an IRC nick different from WOT nick confuses assbot
assbot: Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I dunno about in your location, but here a license is nominally required. Much as for fishing.
jborkl: ok I did my good deed for the year - time to relax
mircea_popescu: the difference of course being i can slaughter one and post it on my blog, daring the "pet police" to do anything,
mircea_popescu: in 1987 teh police had bucharest surrounded, checking all inbound car traffic to make sure nobody's sneaking any potatoes into town.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0009617 = 7.0204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096183 / 0.00097025 (241260 shares, 232.05 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096403 / 0.00100381 (3106224 shares, 2,994.50 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093026 / 0.00101 (22725656 shares, 21,140.85 BTC)
mircea_popescu: dude... and this is STILL not enough reason to just send the national guard and beat anyone not rich into a pulp ?
mircea_popescu: you;'ll have to excuse me, i'm indulging a bottle of cognac and my inclination to be wtf'd.
mircea_popescu: to quote the world's foremost "yuppie scum", one vincent vega :
mircea_popescu: Vincent: Aw, man. You know what some fucker did the other day?
mircea_popescu: Vincent: Tell me about it. I had it in storage for three years, it was out for five days and some dickless piece of shit fucked with it.
mircea_popescu: Lance: They should be fucking killed. No trial, no jury, straight to execution.
mircea_popescu: Vincent: Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doing it. It'd been worth him doing it just so I could've caught him doing it.
mircea_popescu: Vincent: What's more chickenshit than fucking with a man's automobile? I mean, don't fuck with another man's vehicle.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0319983 = 0.192 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: if they can agree on salary control measures, clearly they're overstaffed.
mircea_popescu: they pretend like they're not, for public consumption, and to get more clueless kids on the one track path that then leads them to become prostitu uh i mean entrpereneurs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00096045 = 9.4124 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: but what is and what's said to be are wildly distinct matters in byzantium
bounce: don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was.
Apocalyptic: <bounce> don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was. // it was indeed right under the roof, in France at least
bounce: hot in summer, cold in winter. freezing hell when the wind's just wrong. such fun.
mircea_popescu: in the united states of africa, apparently they've not figured this out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7030 @ 0.00096376 = 6.7752 BTC [+]
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: nubbins` is balls-deep in printing, that's where ;(
mircea_popescu: "The original bullhocky story about the cattle endangering desert tortoises fell apart when the truth was discovered that only recently the BLM had gerrymandered the boundaries of endangered habitat and created a mitigation area needed to replace habitat where Harry Reid’s son and a Chinese energy company planned to build a 5 billion dollar solar energy project."
mircea_popescu: harry reid, the guy who delivered congress to obama, right ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00015875 = 0.635 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: Need a nickname, Naphex.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00096954 = 10.7134 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 245 @ 0.50190775 = 122.9674 BTC [-] {12}
mircea_popescu: lmao this "unprofessional" business has pretty much replaced "asshole" in us office drones parlance hasn't it
benkay: what's the military context that makes that kind of behavior assholery?
benkay: context/peer behavior expectations
mircea_popescu: “The Donald Cook is more than capable of defending itself against two Su-24s,” the colonel said.
mircea_popescu: i doubt there exists a us ship that actually can defend itself against modernised su's, but hey.
benkay: or the impending chinese drone swarms
pankkake: nice, I would have liked that a year ago (though I eventually recovered my coins)
TestingUnoDosTre: Can someone explain this to me. Purchase of 382 Btc at 505, followed by 20 btc at 500. Was the first purchase a market buy?
ThickAsThieves: Peter Vehehe is now on the speaker list for the event!
mircea_popescu: looky, gavin still lead bla bla. not so hip on keeping updated huh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1220 @ 0.00096816 = 1.1812 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Oh, Meni Rosenfeld is a speaker and/or panelist
mircea_popescu: <samantix> hi i was directed to you regarding a ban on bitcoin-pricetalk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49676939 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: guy's very polite and everything. i had no idea that chan even exists
assbot: Voicing samantix for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49833587 = 1.495 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000002 BTC [-]
mike_c: because clearly the price *shouldn't* have dropped below 400.
mike_c: bah. next you'll rethink your theory on technical analysis because head & shoulders.
artifexd: It would be nice to be able to retroactively !b a part of the log. The conversation with Naphex about 5 hours ago was pretty interesting.
benkay: artifexd: bash.bitcoin-assets.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00078899 = 0.1578 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.95, Best ask: 508.97, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 509.0, 24 hour volume: 29789.86967812, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00080077 = 0.2514 BTC [+]
mike_c: is there a time decay on bash points?
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
mike_c: yeah, just read that one too. another classic.
benkay: but not as much as i miss tiberius and minersdidit
mike_c: minersdidit could never fill 100 lines by himself with no encouragement like vex could when sloshed.
benkay: that's not why minersdidit was fantastic
benkay: people round here don't appreciate quality trolling
benkay: unless you've met 'em before.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1921 @ 0.0009663 = 1.8563 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1379 @ 0.00097038 = 1.3382 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing samantix for 30 minutes.
artifexd: Vexual, get in the wot already
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.03, Best ask: 514.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 514.82, 24 hour volume: 30096.02063816, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
benkay: samantix: what's happening?
mircea_popescu: mike_c the 400 bet. at first i thought you hjad a legit complaint
mike_c: of course the owners of the site would say that.
pankkake: BitBet: The Customer is Always Wrong
BingoBoingo: Well as Bitcoin continues to detach from fiat, bets pegged to fiat exchanges get moar dangerous
mike_c: i've probably lost 12,482 bets in my life, but for some reason that one stung. i was so sure!
mike_c: this from the guy who floated a bajillion btc options over the last two years :)
mircea_popescu: joecool you trust all the oldschool doods. madscientist ?!
gribble: cory was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <Cory> \o
joecool: mircea_popescu: believe it or not i've been in wot for a long time
gribble: User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Tue Apr 15 16:36:53 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool .
joecool: yeah i think that was my first wot rating
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9401 @ 0.00097038 = 9.1225 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Voicing frank1e for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes.
gribble: You rated user BigBitz on Mon Dec 2 11:10:58 2013, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: gives me the worst rates ever ಠ_ಠ and makes me hate myself, owes me beer, but he can be trusted to send a couple g's USD.
joecool: mircea_popescu: looks like you got bald
BigBitz: You're getting a Wikipedia Cert. Nice.
mircea_popescu: twitter.com, Twitter, Inc. VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL CA, VeriSign, Inc. 05/10/2016 12:59:00 AM GMT TLS v1.2 128 bit ARC4 (2048 bit RSA/SHA)
Apocalyptic: 83 FE F4 D8 26 55 EC 82 A9 E1 D7 A9 76 70 0B 43
Apocalyptic: 3E 9B 38 6D FA 71 8F 20 2A 5B 6C BF 91 ED 9F 92
BingoBoingo: OMG WIKIPEDIA NSA haxors targeting asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wikipedia certs are a good avenue of attack because most neckbeards have it whitelisted
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You forget that for some 1984 is a manual
mircea_popescu: also, is it twitter generally ? does it do the same off a phone ?
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['2899 @ 0.00097198', '5021 @ 0.00096', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '5850 @ 0.0009594', '2900 @ 0.00095924']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['5150 @ 0.00097202', '9450 @ 0.00097276', '1900 @ 0.00097318', '8950 @ 0.00097382', '12566 @ 0.00097408']
thestringpuller: that's a nice bot, did smickles make that? or what's the story behind it...
TestingUnoDosTre: If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1?
thestringpuller: he's on maternity leave << hoorah for children. they grow up so fast...
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 517.0, Best ask: 519.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.95000, Last trade: 517.0, 24 hour volume: 31653.39816891, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 520.05, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
ThickAsThieves: not sure if there's enough new money coming in yet to float the price
ThickAsThieves: traders keep scalping each other over and over, lowering the ceiling
ThickAsThieves: seems making bitbets is the best way to get the price to go where you want!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 225 @ 0.00097202 = 0.2187 BTC [+]
benkay: bitbet ate the options market.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.35, Best ask: 525.79, Bid-ask spread: 3.44000, Last trade: 526.9, 24 hour volume: 32271.21581885, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 527.27, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
TestingUnoDosTre: Got in last block luckily. That's why I was asking about hashing
TestingUnoDosTre: They better close the bet fast and reap some profit for the month
nubbins`: i didn't quite get the gist of the mascot
nubbins`: somebody with a soldering iron up their ass?
nubbins`: 3-color print on red kraft paper
mircea_popescu: <TestingUnoDosTre> If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1? << no.
gribble: Time since last block: 5 minutes and 38 seconds
mike_c: ok, two people said no.. there is a small better chance they find it in the next minute after failing for 36 minutes. the search space has been reduced.
mike_c: right, but instead of having a 1 in 1eBigNumber chance, they have a 1 in (1eBigNumber - attempts) chance
thestringpuller: mike_c: more tx's may come into the node which changes the hash...
pankkake: is it actually worth it to record what was tested? wouldn't pools share it if it was?
mike_c: thestringpuller: that is a good point.
mike_c: unless what thestringpuller said.
ThickAsThieves: it's more likely than if they weren't hashing at all, right?
pankkake: I guess you get worthess stuff generated by your worthless stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00097223 = 7.0001 BTC [+] {3}
Apocalyptic: "Complaints from the U.S. are going to increasingly fall on deaf ears"
mircea_popescu: “In the decades ahead, should we be as white as we are today, we will be relentlessly driven toward mediocrity; or, become a sad shadow of our current self,” Mr. Shepard said in a recent blog post