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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.002999 = 0.3299 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla who is this ?
kakobrekla: i dunno some bullshit
ThickAsThieves: someone from reddit i think
Apocalyptic: ^
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: [20:32:13] <groun0> i have 13000 bitcoin for sale
Mats_cd03: just another day for -otc
jborkl: So vicurex pulled a Gox now
Mats_cd03: on another note, 300: Rise of an Empire is shit-terrible and not even worth pirating
mircea_popescu: tfluk
benkay: mircea_popescu: must be off my feed or out of practice or something
benkay: or getting trolled hard. who can ever tell.
mircea_popescu: stby
benkay: every day.
AusBitBank: mircea_popescu, love your work on those SEC responses. Please keep us updated
mircea_popescu: aite.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6444137 = 4.5109 BTC [+] {5}
radan: do any of y'all work out
kakobrekla: only in bed lately
kakobrekla: i used to ride my bike now i cant find it and mp sez its bad anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00646272 = 0.4847 BTC [+] {8}
TestingUnoDosTre: i used to work out a lot more, not I'm mainly into yoga an rock climbing
TestingUnoDosTre: now*
cazalla: rock climbing is nothing compared to bowling
TestingUnoDosTre: uhhhh I love bowling
cazalla: it's a rush
TestingUnoDosTre: I wouldn't go that far, but I joined a bowling league a couple years ago and had quite a great time
TestingUnoDosTre: scores were all handicapped so it's mainly just how your team does vs. their average
cazalla: yeah, i'm definitely down for some rock climbing
mircea_popescu: bawling
radan: bicycling is bad for the pudendal nerve
radan: I wouldn't touch a bicycle except I have to go from class to class within ten minutes
radan: which is impossible without biking
KRS-One: you said it man
TestingUnoDosTre: I've heard you just have to get up off the seat every 30 seconds vs 2 minutes of riding on the seat
benkay: mircea_popescu kakobrekla radan: http://www.bycycleinc.com/
kakobrekla: > TX police bike patrol ride the BiSaddle
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00094985 = 1.5198 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: does it shoot cannons?
TestingUnoDosTre: That's awesome
MisterE: morning
radan: $250.00/350.00 plus shipping
radan: guess I'll have to settle for impotence
TestingUnoDosTre: lol
benkay: small price to prevent DAMMIT
benkay: you know what it is?
benkay: i only had one cup of coffee today.
TestingUnoDosTre: shoulda chain smoked like 20 cigarettes to make up for it
MisterE: Mats_cd03: I knew it, too bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00094953 = 6.3619 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00094953 = 10.3499 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Every time bitcoin starts dropping I want to buy more...
mircea_popescu: ;;market
gribble: Error: "market" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck was it
mircea_popescu: ;;price
gribble: Error: "price" is not a valid command.
benkay: ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: ;;derp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 557.93, Best ask: 560.24, Bid-ask spread: 2.31000, Last trade: 560.25, 24 hour volume: 6430.26159447, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 569.48, 24 hour vwap: 562.954568291
gribble: Error: "derp" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: a ty
TestingUnoDosTre: derp is not a command!!!
benkay: wowee five fiddy
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/22/sinkhole-of-bureaucracy/
ozbot: Sinkhole of bureaucracy | The Washington Post
TestingUnoDosTre: seriously I've been buying more and more bitcoins this week
mircea_popescu: wast it closer to 500 ?
MisterE: TestingUnoDosTre: wait until it tests 500
MisterE: no mircea_popescu it's had support at 550
mircea_popescu: aok
decimation: ?The reports [from the contractor] just asserted that they had written X lines of code. .?.?. For an executive, that?s just invisible; you don?t know what it means,? said Curtis Smith, who oversaw retirement processing from 1989 to 1994. He was a longtime federal employee with a PhD in English literature, supervising a massive technology project. ?I had no idea [if] they were making progress from month to month. And I just sort of took it on
decimation: faith that they could make it work,? Smith said. ?And they never did.?
benkay: ;;@-#
gribble: Error: "@-#" is not a valid command.
TestingUnoDosTre: Ahhhh I had bought some the other week at like 450, but I was just so squeemish
mircea_popescu: decimation it's been here b4 you know
decimation: lol sorry, ascii posted yet yesterday
TestingUnoDosTre: fricken Western Union wouldn't let me wire funds to bitstamp... not sure if that was a good thing or a bad thing
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: why don't you do it over -otc?
benkay: make your initial btc buy the right way, then put those btc on bitstamp for trading.
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm new to this
benkay: oh i thought you'd been around for a few months.
TestingUnoDosTre: I've been watching btc, hanging around the forum for a couple years, but only started purchasing recently
TestingUnoDosTre: so all the methods, other than a deal for cash, are new to me
benkay: the best way to fund a bitstamp account is with btc :D
benkay: -otc: "over the counter".
TestingUnoDosTre: I understand the definition...
BingoBoingo: ;;herp
gribble: Error: "herp" is not a valid command.
TestingUnoDosTre: but is it like cash wire, or in person, or what
benkay: hey BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: heya
benkay: go ask in -otc, TestingUnoDosTre. have cash ready on the spot, or else they won't want to bother with you.
benkay: typically western union, perfect money.
TestingUnoDosTre: but how is it scamproof?
benkay: well, that's the web of trust
benkay: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
KRS-One: scuse me for a sec
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8nixdbFYl1qi0kbpo1_1280.jpg
KRS-One: yuck
Mats_cd03: benkay: https://soundcloud.com/viceroymusic/montell-jordan-this-is-how
benkay: see, mircea_popescu and i have rated each other. you can also look at my profile and see with whom i've traded btc.
TestingUnoDosTre: ahhh I've got to go do some reading
KRS-One: Mats_cd03: good remix
benkay: i can't believe that I don't have an -otc essay
Mats_cd03: i like it better than the original tbh
TestingUnoDosTre: Alright, but here is what I don't understand. Didn't pirateeat40 or whatever his sn was have a good WoT rating?
benkay: sure.
benkay: different risk profiles, though.
Mats_cd03: whats difficult to understand
benkay: one scenario, someone's promising 7% a month or something crazy.
benkay: another scenario, someone's committing to sending you btc for your moneypak or whatever.
TestingUnoDosTre: yes, but couldn't someone just build up a WoT with small transactions and then run off with a medium transaction
benkay: if their reputation is solid enough, they don't really benefit from ripping you off for 1k.
benkay: sure
benkay: so ask around.
benkay: get to know the humans.
benkay: do your due dilligence.
TestingUnoDosTre: What about cash trade in a metro?
KRS-One: it'll take time
benkay: this isn't an internet thing where there's a great big easy buy button.
benkay: THIS IS BITCOIN
Mats_cd03: so corny
benkay: how was elysium, Mats_cd03?
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: f2f is far safer.
Mats_cd03: like halo but with mark damon and rail guns
Mats_cd03: er,
Mats_cd03: whatever his name is
benkay: merp derpin
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre you gotta read the girl's write-up on the wot
TestingUnoDosTre: elysium ( the movie) was suprisingly mediocre
TestingUnoDosTre: f2f?
Mats_cd03: i thought it was unsurprisingly mediocre
benkay: Mats_cd03: you might enjoy a book /Leviathan Wakes/
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: face to face
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871
mircea_popescu: there
ozbot: Reputation system?
Mats_cd03: ill add it to my list of things to read
MisterE: gribble has a wiki
benkay: ;;google aws wordpress ami
gribble: WordPress powered by Bitnami on AWS Marketplace: <https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B007IP8BKQ>; Tutorial: Hosting a WordPress Blog with Amazon EC2 - Documentation: <http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/hosting-wordpress.html>; WordPress Multisite powered by Bitnami on AWS Marketplace: <https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B007OXRX74>
MisterE: pizza porn: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/05/31/worlds-largest-pizzas/
TestingUnoDosTre: yah I would feel much more confident in a face to face situation
MisterE: always
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/flume/disclosure-you-me-flume-remix
TestingUnoDosTre: this is what classifies as corny, for the record https://soundcloud.com/alunageorge/this-is-how-we-do-it
MisterE: TestingUnoDosTre: check out how long they've had a ns registration
MisterE: thats telling
MisterE: I'm 10+ years not going anywhere
Mats_cd03: fucking lol TestingUnoDosTre
TestingUnoDosTre: okay this will probably illustrate how niave I am, but what's with gnupg keys asking for real names and email addresses?
Mats_cd03: 'balls'
mircea_popescu: what of it ?
Mats_cd03: real names and email addresses are not personal information
Mats_cd03: or particularly sensitive
TestingUnoDosTre: gotcha
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: It's just questions that it asks, because it can put that information in the public key if you want it there.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Works just find if you leave the information out as well
TestingUnoDosTre: I was thinking that I would much rather have a higher WoT rating with a key that did not contain my name and email
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: (honest q)
diametric: It also makes no claim to the authenticity of the information. You can make the key for Doc McStuffins if you wanted.
TestingUnoDosTre: Because I don't want my name following around my transactions or what not
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: If you want to get really fancy you can embed a photo in your public key too.
benkay: eh, you can't afford true anonymity, TestingUnoDosTre.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre this is roughly the equivalent of someone not pushing a button because it has "buttsex" written on it.
benkay: consider how you might leverage a strong WoT identity that you explictly control.
TestingUnoDosTre: If I go and buy bitcoin, then sell bitcoin, then buy bitcoin, then sell bitcoin, I would much rather have no name associated with the transactions
mircea_popescu: the buttsex and the button are nowhere connected
diametric: I would however pay handsomely for a buttsex button that worked as advertised.
mircea_popescu: craigslist ?
benkay: diametric wants to be buttsecksd
benkay: on demand
diametric: haha
benkay: can't be that hard
TestingUnoDosTre: what about craigslist?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point being that whether your name is or is not associated with a list of txn is not contingent on you typing the name in the gpg key gen process
TestingUnoDosTre: with craigslist, I can tell someone that my name is Joe schmoe, I'll be wearing this or that, and meet me at the coffee shop
benkay: 's where the buttsecks be, TestingUnoDosTre.
mircea_popescu: you could make a key and baptise it mircea popescu right nao
TestingUnoDosTre: I understand that
TestingUnoDosTre: so I already created one with my real name and real email
benkay: you could probably buy btc off the craig too
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm wondering if I should generate another pair that doesn't have that info
mircea_popescu: more keys can't hurt anything
benkay: dilutes the attention paid to any given pair.
benkay: your future wot 'value' is a function of who's rated you, what #, and how long ago.
TestingUnoDosTre: Alright I'm good on that for the time being
TestingUnoDosTre: Ive got another question reguarding signing up for a VPN
TestingUnoDosTre: I feel like I'm in a chicken or the egg scenario. I want to sign up for a vpn, paying with bitcoin, and linking it to an anonymous email address
TestingUnoDosTre: do I have to go create the email address first, then sign up for the vpn?
MisterE: hit any of them with your real IP once and it's over why bother?
MisterE: yes
jborkl: You can watch Italian youtube
TestingUnoDosTre: so a VPN is only good when I'm not using my home ISP?
TestingUnoDosTre: I know that you should ALWAYS use a vpn
mircea_popescu: its not at all clear what are you trying to accomplish.
MisterE: well it depends why you are using a vpn
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm simply trying to browse the web anonymously
MisterE: without knowing what you want to do hard to advise
MisterE: use tor
diametric: VPN through TOR
TestingUnoDosTre: that's what I'm trying to do
MisterE: ok
jborkl: Tor is so slow
TestingUnoDosTre: but if I sign up for a vpn with my normal email address
TestingUnoDosTre: that just ruins the whole thing
MisterE: use Tor to sign up
Mats_cd03: benkay: https://soundcloud.com/saintmotel/my-type-1
MisterE: and get an anon email address also with Tor
mircea_popescu: anonymous in what sense ? so the sites can't serve you "tailored" adsense ?
TestingUnoDosTre: download tor, sign up for anonymous email address, then pay for vpn?
TestingUnoDosTre: let's just say I don't even want anyone to know I just went into a search engine and searched for bitcoin
TestingUnoDosTre: not quite sure if that's a good example
benkay: they are in fact out to get you.
Mats_cd03: sigh
MisterE: I block that crap with a good HOSTS file, my trackign blocking browser extensions have like nothing to do... http://hosts-file.net/
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm not afraid of anyone out to get me
mircea_popescu: "no one"
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm more into understanding how to actually browse anonymously
MisterE is with benkay on this one
mircea_popescu: tor doesn't actually work, in general.
MisterE: eh?
MisterE: tor works it's 99.9% a PEBCAC issue
MisterE: got to use it right
BCB: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/216zuo/what_mtgox_and_vircurex_has_taught_us/
cazalla: nothing?
mircea_popescu: lol
TestingUnoDosTre: so true
MisterE: haha :)
asciilifeform: anyone considering using tor for whatsoever purpose should... measure not 7, but 47 times, and cut - preferably not even once
asciilifeform: unless you have read the source (at least, the protocol spec) and understand the limitations
MisterE: that people are greedy and do stupid stuff.
MisterE: yea you mess up once and all the work you've done to be anon is over
Mats_cd03: case in point sabu
TestingUnoDosTre: sabu?
MisterE: heh sabu, damn rat
Mats_cd03: logged into a channel just like this one by accident from home once
MisterE: he's the one who cooperated witht he feds
Mats_cd03: rather than his vpn
MisterE: yep all it takes is 1 mistake
MisterE: hit that email once from home oops
Mats_cd03: and rather suddenly a rude man in a shit suit shows up for an interview unannounced
asciilifeform: 'the sapper errs once.'
Mats_cd03: are you a sapper asciilifeform
MisterE: unlike DPR
mircea_popescu: lol
MisterE: who was like walking around SF carrying a sign that read BUST ME in neon letters
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: nope. but every russian kid knows that proverb
TestingUnoDosTre: lol
MisterE: I'm a yank, tell me
MisterE: err seppo
Mats_cd03: i see
cazalla: MisterE: :)
asciilifeform: there's a variation on the proverb where 'the sapper errs twice. once - when choosing profession'
MisterE: Gevork Vartanian?
asciilifeform: http://img15.nnm.ru/a/4/3/8/1/3061a891b67df7c0d028010c4a6_prev.jpg
MisterE: ahh a sapper is a mine clearer
Mats_cd03: a sapper is a combat engineer
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/bb0b50c4486e1cb47437440c08420753/tumblr_mnatxiXCMX1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
MisterE: Like sappers, underground agents err only once” --Gevork Vartanian
asciilifeform: there is rarely anyone whose only duty is to clear mines
MisterE: right one of their jobs is clearing mines
asciilifeform: (with the possible exception of certain prisoners)
MisterE: heh
Apocalyptic: <Mats_cd03> a sapper is a combat engineer << that's what google told me too
MisterE: a soldier responsible for tasks such as building and repairing roads and bridges, laying and clearing mines, etc.
MisterE: American Heritage dic
TestingUnoDosTre: sounds like one hell of a job
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05339 = 0.1602 BTC [-]
MisterE: For many it's either that or selling crack on the corner
MisterE: where I come from
Mats_cd03: pretty easy job as i understand it
benkay: ;;google trilema drug dealer
gribble: What the drug trade is, how the drug trade works and why ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/>; Forbes, now with a little extra ESL and a whole lot of extra ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/forbes-now-with-a-little-extra-esl-and-a-whole-lot-of-extra-stupid>; Law enforcement never fails to (1 more message)
Mats_cd03: step 1) sit in a hot vehicle moving at 5kph waiting for a bomb to explode
MisterE: until its not heh. I'd rather be a cook in the military
MisterE: they get all the perks
Mats_cd03: step 2) go to 1
TestingUnoDosTre: was that first page written before the transfer to english?
benkay: well as you can see it's written in english
TestingUnoDosTre: hmmm, must have clicked on the wrong one
benkay: if your client broke the url, you'll get a random page.
benkay: wait how did i get roped into doing trilema support
TestingUnoDosTre: :D
mircea_popescu: benkay victorian ai / army ?
benkay: til mircea_popescu is actually a composite personality of a bunch of humans educated by some well engineered weak ai
mircea_popescu: also chtulhy
TestingUnoDosTre: Who recommended Leviathon awakes?
benkay: o/
benkay: it's simply "Wakes"
TestingUnoDosTre: *
benkay: ...
TestingUnoDosTre: Just wondering what you thought of 2001: a space odessy
benkay: feeling kinda dated at this point, but i haven't read it in at least a decade and you might not want to take a dependency on my notions of things at that age.
TestingUnoDosTre: haha aright. I just got through it and thought it was absolutely spectacular
benkay: you may get a kick out of LW then. moderately more populated solar system; better understanding of biology etc.
TestingUnoDosTre: one of the antagonists is a corrupt operating system... can't get much better than that
TestingUnoDosTre: oooh
benkay: there were several books in the Space Odessy series worth reading too.
TestingUnoDosTre: I had no clue it was a series
benkay: authors have this dirty habit of milking their creative work for decades.
benkay: it's even enjoyable for the reader sometimes. other times..."read recycled books! they're easy to write, and read good!"
mircea_popescu: it's mostly the publishers
TestingUnoDosTre: If it ain't broke, don't quit it
benkay: Mats_cd03: Saint Motel passes the babe test.
mircea_popescu: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EEDD1138E633A25751C1A96E9C946496D6CF
ozbot: BIG YACHT NOW JUNK AFTER 6 WEEKS' USE - Sea Call's Monel Metal-Steel Hull Ruined by Electrolysis, B
benkay: Mats_cd03: this means i must ban it from the house.
Mats_cd03: whats the babe test
MisterE: Aluminum hull?
Mats_cd03: that song is on a playlist entitled, 'dongs'
mircea_popescu: monel.
MisterE: oh no steel wow, mig mistake
MisterE: US had a terrible time with it and their new Aluminum hulled boats
MisterE: still a problem as of a year or so ago
MisterE: Electrolysis
benkay: "It was said that the boat could have been made as good as new by putting on a new steel bottom, but that apparently Mr. Cochran preferred not to do that."
benkay: you don't say.
MisterE: www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/shipbuilder-blames-navy-as-brand-new-warship-disintegrates/
benkay: babe test. babe likes it. only hemisarcastic.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: nope, still not following
benkay: there is a babe in my house.
benkay: you savvy?
Mats_cd03: ok got it
benkay: this babe likes some musics.
benkay: savvy?
Mats_cd03: i hear you loud and clear captain jack
benkay: this is the babe test of previous mention.
benkay: this music you linked passes the babe test, ergo i must burn it with fire and expunge from my area.
benkay: implying some small difference in tastes that i only noticed when the babe came by to apply her test.
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/hozier/angel-of-small-death-the
Mats_cd03: i like to think my taste in music is accessible
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05230534 = 0.3138 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: benkay: stop being weird
MisterE: I have a playlist I tell each one I made just for them
TestingUnoDosTre: hahahaha
TestingUnoDosTre: thought this one was a nice remake with chance the rapper https://soundcloud.com/mapei/dont-wait-remix-mapei-chance
Mats_cd03: i like what -assets has become
Mats_cd03: mostly its me, i love me
MisterE: yea I come to like this group
TestingUnoDosTre: self love is healthy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11301 @ 0.00094953 = 10.7306 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06687499 = 0.2675 BTC [+] {4}
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/two-door-cinema-club/two-door-cinema-club-next-year-rac
TestingUnoDosTre: sorry for the caps, but RAC IS THE BEST
dexX7: wow i hate bitcoin.. and linux. so i invested quite some time to figure out how to dump a leveldb database over a shitty putty console only to realize that the result wasn't what i was looking for <_<"
dexX7: rephrased: i hate myself for being such a newb
benkay: Mats_cd03: can you hit me with something non-lyrics-y to which i can read source and documentation?
benkay: dexX7: scp not a choice for some reason?
Mats_cd03: anyone here make a run at any of the matasano crypto challenges?
dexX7: scp?
benkay: secure copy
benkay: man scp
Mats_cd03: benkay: i dunno... instrumentals or electronic? i like to listen to trance while coding
benkay: trance is good
benkay: well, acceptable.
benkay: :D
benkay: dexX7: i'm assuming all sorts of shit like you're running *nix etc
TestingUnoDosTre: this one is my favorite rac track, his wife singing over the radiohead cover https://soundcloud.com/rac
TestingUnoDosTre: https://soundcloud.com/rac/rac-climbing-up-the-walls-ft-liz-anjos *
dexX7: i'm not. that's probably the root problem :)
benkay: ick yea good luck cuz.
Mats_cd03: benkay: https://soundcloud.com/jimipaul/james-holden-balance-disc-one theres a few samples with lyrics in that but i think theyre short
benkay: thanks, yo
TestingUnoDosTre: Pretty lights also has a lot of stuff where the lyrics are kind of morphed so you don't pay attention to them quite as much, but some if it's a little dubsteppy / up tempo
Mats_cd03: mostly i just listen to tchaikovsky and paul hindensmith
Mats_cd03: hindesmith rather
TestingUnoDosTre: Paul Kalkbrenner is also a champ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlFs3OXR9mQ
benkay: Mats_cd03: hindemith?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00095072 = 32.5146 BTC [+] {5}
Mats_cd03: german composer
Mats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHGntqx5Yw
ozbot: Paul Hindemith: Mathis der Maler Symphony (1933-1934) - YouTube
benkay: man the high hats on that shit make my earballs wince
Mats_cd03: rather famous
Mats_cd03: are you wearing headphones?
benkay: nah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00094953 = 8.7357 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: i liked the radiohead cover
TestingUnoDosTre: Used to smoke after work and listen to the original, the RAC mix, and this Easystar version as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axs8-9u5qbY
benkay: Mats_cd03: what kind of work do you do?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64497 = 1.9349 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: benkay: reading -assets and reversing firmware
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.64499861 = 18.705 BTC [+] {3}
Mats_cd03: i was clean shaven and employable as an IT consultant/pen tester once, now im self employed
Mats_cd03: you?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.64682663 = 3.881 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: derpy web apps dot butts
benkay: high end technical consulting to old farts with companies who'd rather lean on me and my boys than run their own shit
thestringpuller: http://eudyptula-challenge.org/
Mats_cd03: good, i hope youre doubling the rate every hour
TestingUnoDosTre: benkay, tell me what you think of this kalkbrenner track without lyrics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnj9qgkXOJc
Mats_cd03: thestringpuller: awesome
benkay: thestringpuller: neat find
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0052525 = 1.0505 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: meh
TestingUnoDosTre: no good?
benkay: Mats_cd03: yeah. up to 115 from 80 fall.
benkay: last* fall.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1200 @ 0.00012342 = 0.1481 BTC [-] {10}
benkay: company's only been around for 8 months or so, so i consider that good progress.
TestingUnoDosTre: thestringpuller, I was thinking of doing this edx course intro to linux, do you think that challenge you posted would be more timeworthy?
benkay: there's about a light year between hacking on the kernel and using linux, TestingUnoDosTre.
TestingUnoDosTre: hmmph
Mats_cd03: it depends what it is you want to learn
thestringpuller: Learn C
Mats_cd03: do you want to know how to move around in the filesystem? edx
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm wondering whether I need to throw time at something more introductory before jumping in
TestingUnoDosTre: I've done some programming with C in an assembly course and some embedded C in a robotics course, but I am mechanical engr by background
benkay: 's also a question of what you want to *do* with computers.
Mats_cd03: that challenge is for the 0.001% of programmers that want to use asm on a daily basis and probably possess masochistic tendencies
radan: what's the consensus on dog and light coins
benkay: consensus?
Apocalyptic: masochistic is a bit too strong
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm mostly interested in playing around with controllers a la beagleboard
Apocalyptic: I once wrote a crackme entirely in ASM, was fun
radan: like
radan: what do y'all think about it
benkay: doge has infinite deflation
TestingUnoDosTre: but I also play around with android phones via xda, and I'm not content with just downloading someone else's kernel or firmware and not really understanding the different between a stock android
radan: is that good or bad
benkay: lite is notoriously suspect to manipulation
benkay: sry infinite inflation
benkay: gosh radan why is bitcoin so awesome?
radan: ummm
Apocalyptic: heh
radan: cause I put money into it
Apocalyptic: looks like you kinda miss the point
radan: and if it doesn't succeed I'm fucked
radan: I mean
radan: you can go all "free markets" and "crypto" "things"
TestingUnoDosTre: what about the cap in bitcoins produced...
Apocalyptic: that's one of the greatest things
TestingUnoDosTre: sorry, I just didn't want to wait for him to say it :/
radan: okay, so there's a cap
radan: what does that mean
benkay: you broke socrates, TestingUnoDosTre
radan: besides the obvious
TestingUnoDosTre: It mean's the rate of inflation is defined
TestingUnoDosTre: whereas with doge, not so
benkay: what happens when you have 20 dollars, and there are 1b dollars today, and 1.01b dollars tomorrow?
radan: they're worth less, assuming everything else stays constant
benkay: mhm.
TestingUnoDosTre: In engineering they never had to say that, it was just implied
radan: so dogecoin will infinitely inflate
radan: because its not capped
radan: is that right?
benkay: what do you think?
TestingUnoDosTre: I don't know if infinite is quite the best word for it, but it's pretty much like the USD
TestingUnoDosTre: there's more always being tossed in the pool
radan: the USD is pegged by a shadowy consortium of unelected figures
radan: I don't think dogecoin has a regulatory body
benkay: what does mean "pegged"?
TestingUnoDosTre: not what I was getting at
benkay: ;;ud pegging
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging | anal sex reveresed. instead of the man sticking his penis up the womans butt, the woman wears a strap-on and sticks it up the mans butt.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: pegging
TestingUnoDosTre: simply talking about the supply increasing
TestingUnoDosTre: hahahahahah
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ud eiffel tower
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the%20eiffel%20tower | ... two men join hands above the woman to form what looks the Eiffel Tower. " Sweet dude, Let's give Linda The Eiffel Tower tonight!" by Boobtube April 24, 2006.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: the eiffel tower
radan: the fed decides what USD will cost on a given day, as I understand it
radan: I don't know what cost means in that context
benkay: in that sense, the dollar could be said to be pegged by the shadowy group of people in #bitcoin-assets
TestingUnoDosTre: hahahahaha
TestingUnoDosTre: is the USD the man in that situation?
benkay: or one of our wimmins, if we're sticking to the literal interpretation.
radan: so why does ltc get manipulated
radan: but btc doesn't
benkay: more of a scale thing than a boolean thing, radan.
radan: I dunno
radan: doesn't satoshi hold like 1/4 of all the btc
benkay: has he spent any?
TestingUnoDosTre: he problie just drunkenly tossed his keys
radan: your guess is as good as mine
benkay: no guessing allowed. you have a blockchain and can answer this question for yourself now.
radan: better, in fact
radan: well
radan: we don't know how many addresses he used
TestingUnoDosTre: we do though
TestingUnoDosTre: I've got a question though benkay
TestingUnoDosTre: assuming you met satoshi in person and trusted him
TestingUnoDosTre: could he not just sell you a usb drive with the keys on it, and let you hold onto them
benkay: radan: req'd reading: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009
benkay: ?
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: ^^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05321 = 0.2661 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
radan: ok
radan: I read it
benkay: and some more
benkay: https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/satoshi-machine-one-mystery-is-solved-and-another-opens/
ozbot: Satoshi’s Machine: One Mystery is solved and another one opens | bitslog
benkay: everything about bitcoin on bitslog is worth at least a perusal.
radan: sooo
radan: karpeles, szabo, circle k, and nakamoto are all one person with theoretically infinite wealth
radan: am I reading it right
benkay: who knows is the point
radan: well
radan: all I know is I bought 1.75 btc with my life savings last november
radan: and I hope they continue to increase in price
radan: maybe it'll even reach 10K per
benkay: 2k?
benkay: 3k?
benkay: buddy you gotta get back to work lol
benkay: bitcoin ain't gonna make you rich
radan: I'm a college kid
radan: until I graduate, pocket money is all I've got to play with
benkay: cold wallet. forget about it. learn to earn.
radan: I'll earn when I graduate
benkay: ideally, stop accruing debt - that'll make you more than 2BTC ever will.
benkay: maybe. not likely.
radan: I don't have any debt
radan: I went to a public uni
radan: with scholarships
radan: and shit
benkay: and what valuable skills are you developing?
radan: petroleum engineers are forecast to be making hella money once we graduate
benkay: hah yeah
radan: http://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/petroleum-engineers.htm
benkay: rough life man.
radan: it's rough until then ;__;
radan: but, more to the point, I do think this btc thing has potential
radan: else I wouldn't have invested in it
benkay: lol cool
radan: back when I first heard about bitcoin
radan: back in 2011 or 12
TestingUnoDosTre: I read that first loper-os article and I don't think it answers my question.
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: don't know that i understood your question.
benkay: radan if i might offer a slightly different perspective, you didn't invest in Bitcoin - you bought some bitcoins.
TestingUnoDosTre: So satoshi has a whole boat load of 50 BTC addresses. Couldn't he just sell a flash drive with the private key of one address without crashing bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05329999 = 0.1066 BTC [+]
radan: I knew a guy in Romania who ran a computer cafe
Mats_cd03: they are all being tracked and it would be instant news
radan: he mined btc on the side
TestingUnoDosTre: I do understand that
radan: wonder how rich he is today
TestingUnoDosTre: but let's say you trust someone you're selling to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1127 @ 0.00094953 = 1.0701 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: at this juncture id expect the price to fall if it was to happen
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: every day i don't move those coins elsewhere is a day of risking not having them.
TestingUnoDosTre: you sell them a 50 BTC flash drive, maybe at a discount price, and tell them they cant use it for 3 years or something
benkay: totally out of the scope of normal behavior.
benkay: as soon as i crack that drive i know satoshi.
benkay: plus sharing keys is anathema.
radan: if you buy something you think that the value of what you bought is greater than that of what you paid
radan: that's investing
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm saying that the buyer knows and trusts satoshi
benkay: neat to be told what investing is from a petro-engineer in training lol
benkay: but hey all jabs aside
Mats_cd03: how unfriendly
benkay: just think about what i said for a bit. it's just a different perspective.
TestingUnoDosTre: I didn't quite understand the "every day I don't move ..."
radan: alright
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: satoshi still has the private key for the addr in question, no?
TestingUnoDosTre: yes, but I'm talking about a trusted transaction
benkay: this is the thing about trust
TestingUnoDosTre: like I'm not worried about being scammed of 1000 bTC when I just bought it from someone who has a million btc in holdings
benkay: just because i trust you to not fuck me does not mean that you won't.
benkay: that's your risk analysis.
radan: why don't people just use bitcoin to smuggle money across borders
benkay: i'm suggesting that others may run the analysis differently.
radan: avoiding exchange rats
benkay: happens all the time radan
benkay: argentina has a very very wealthy group of bitcoiners
TestingUnoDosTre: ok, but satoshi would be probably sacrificing more trust by simply selling 1000 btc
benkay: probably accelerating the collapse down there...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00318194 = 0.4168 BTC [+] {10}
benkay: you've not really modeled this, have you TestingUnoDosTre?
TestingUnoDosTre: why do you say so?
nubbins`: got the new Epson set up today
benkay: am i the only one who knows who satoshi is?
Mats_cd03: an opportunity to buy delicious beef with magic money
radan: the problem with hypotheticals and models is that they are hypothetical
radan: you could have 100 factors you haven't even modeled
TestingUnoDosTre: some of them work quite well...
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/0Agj5Ja
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
benkay: if so, then he doesn't care about other people trusting him
benkay: if other people know who he is, then we're in an entirely different universe and i can't really plan for that right now.
benkay: but let's bring this back to reality shall we?
TestingUnoDosTre: well I'm sure some people know satoshi
TestingUnoDosTre: unless he was a testtube baby from mars
benkay: we care about 3 things
benkay: 0
benkay: 1
benkay: infinity
radan: what if dr. popescu is satoshi
nubbins`: what if dr. mario is a doctor
Mats_cd03: its sunday night and time to party
nubbins`: hm you're right
nubbins` cracks a beer
benkay: in 'real world' scenarios, you cannot ever trust your counterparty to not spend coins from a private address.
benkay: end of story
TestingUnoDosTre: beers gone, my partying is done
TestingUnoDosTre: you totally could
TestingUnoDosTre: if you knew the person well enough
TestingUnoDosTre: its not like 100%
nubbins`: supposed to get 15-25cm of snow tomorrow
TestingUnoDosTre: i understand that
nubbins`: then a storm wednesday night lasting thru friday
benkay: look TestingUnoDosTre there are coins you own and coins you don't own.
benkay: that's it.
nubbins`: glad i didn't burn off the kerosene heater yet :D
benkay: nubbins`: is that typical for this time of year?!
nubbins`: no :(
nubbins`: "sheilagh's brush" is what old folks call this, shit weather in late march
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9641 @ 0.00095054 = 9.1642 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0032 = 3.2 BTC [+]
benkay: we're having this crazy balmy spring down south
benkay: normally it's just rain from December to July 4th straight through
nubbins`: just keep telling yourself it's not man-made climate change and you'll be okay
nubbins`: :D
TestingUnoDosTre: hahahaha
benkay: it's al gore made climate change
Mats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ9OJk9i4Kg
ozbot: Lykke Li - No Rest For The Wicked (Official Audio) - YouTube
benkay: jesus Mats_cd03 you like lady music :D
Mats_cd03: i find women beautiful
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: does the "coins you own, coins you don't" thing make sense?
TestingUnoDosTre: apart from being completely rudimentary?
Mats_cd03: the story of every swinging dick in the universe
benkay: if you stray from that you'll get burned in some way.
benkay: web wallets, bitcoin banks...
TestingUnoDosTre: for instance, if I go an wire 100$ to mark karp, and I trick myself into thinking I purchased some BTC, I don't really own any
benkay: right
benkay: you might have bought them, but you don't own them until they show up in your wallet.
TestingUnoDosTre: alright but if I go make a cold wallet on a flash drive, sell the flash drive to my brother, and tell him that he can't use the coins for 2 years, who owns them?
benkay: whoever sends them to keys under their exclusive control first.
nubbins`: i saw lykke li in 2009
TestingUnoDosTre: nice little lykke li remake http://hypem.com/track/nsj8/Lykke+Li+-+Little+Bit+(Gigamesh+Remix)
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/beatsantique/get-lucky-feat-charles-butler solid reproduction of get lucky with the banjo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 416 @ 0.0032 = 1.3312 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: nubbins`: how was it
TestingUnoDosTre: oooo I think I'm gonna love this
nubbins`: all i remember is that the backdrop was cool and she kept talking about this guy "miike snow"
Mats_cd03: for some reason your music taste irritates my ear
TestingUnoDosTre: miike snow is awesome
Mats_cd03: miike snow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oKQSAt4c4c
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: my dear... come again... your voice is fading out and in...
nubbins`: yeah, i saw him too but i can't remember anything about it
nubbins`: TBH the only performance i really remember from the whole festival is dan deacon
Mats_cd03: the mdma cooked your brain after the opener huh
nubbins`: just booze and pot
TestingUnoDosTre: thatll do it
nubbins`: and heat, i guess
Mats_cd03: i have no idea who dan deacon is, but he reminded me of ron jenkees when i saw his photo on my screen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.0704652 = 1.8321 BTC [-] {5}
Mats_cd03: an almost inaudible, "hello, internets!" sounded off in the back of my mind
Mats_cd03: (i'm sorry if nobody else knows what i'm talking about)
TestingUnoDosTre: Have you seen this movie, it's pretty unique with a good sound track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKW8kKXi6g
Mats_cd03: his most popular song, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2aH4XLbto
Mats_cd03: no
TestingUnoDosTre: the movie is something like "I believe I can fly (Flight of the Frenchies)". It's only like 75 minutes and it's about high linining (aka tight rope walking)
TestingUnoDosTre: I really enjoy horns and reggae music though, but that's just me
Mats_cd03: is ok
benkay: somehow soundcloud thinks i'll like this
benkay: https://soundcloud.com/nahko
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11975 @ 0.00095144 = 11.3935 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: its not horrible
Mats_cd03: nvm he started singing
benkay: hahaha
TestingUnoDosTre: anybody a fan of mmoths ? https://soundcloud.com/mmoths/untitled
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00319999 = 0.1888 BTC [-]
nubbins`: dan deacon is pretty good, have a listen to "bromst"
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8NOr47onjk&list=PL59184F12AEBBD11E
ozbot: Dan Deacon - Build Voice - (1 of 11) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1878 @ 0.00094953 = 1.7832 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: not bad
benkay: whatcha doing with the new printer, nubbins` ?
nubbins`: we occasionally get requests for color digital prints, and it's a pain having to outsource it
benkay: nice! capture more of that value stream.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05323 = 0.3194 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: got a CIS kit on the way for it too
nubbins`: http://www.amediadisc.com/images/detailed/0/ciss.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05323 = 0.4258 BTC [-]
KRS-One: Maybe such a position gets a complementary (gratis, free) Trilema credits or membership?
benkay: choo going on about, KRS-One?
nubbins`: which position is this
KRS-One: Trilema support.
benkay: oh
benkay: access to the murderous purplesquirt, i think
KRS-One: Only thing free otherwise is
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/cee51a34672b1b88c22de04ca3df30a6/tumblr_mes6ctZd4x1rrqd70o1_1280.jpg
KRS-One: Marginal porn at that. Ie: Playboy.
nubbins`: http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
ozbot: BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014
nubbins`: not much traction, maybe i was too stingy with the terms
chetty: methinks its time, people don't like to make bets so far off
benkay joins #eulora
nubbins`: true
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2728 @ 0.00094987 = 2.5912 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;later tell AusBitBank didja know your nick's being squatted? see WoT.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3873 @ 0.00094953 = 3.6775 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00094953 = 0.9495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00094953 = 4.6527 BTC [-]
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2avcaC8fM1r46ny8o1_400.jpg
benkay: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsup79vqG71qajljjo1_500.jpg
benkay: i'll take two.
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the army only ever answered to nell btw
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: hey here's a weird thought
benkay: maybe a suggestion
benkay: i haven't had time to investigate this in depth, but don't use the same keys for different altcoins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00649995 = 0.975 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: 'cause i don't know if there's anything chain-specific to transactions
nubbins` ponders this over pale lager
benkay: might end up accidentally opening that address on other chains up to transferring its contents to the address corresponding to your target addr on the other chain
nubbins`: you're saying, for example, someone creates an ATC tx and accidentally executes it on the BTC network instead?
benkay: ah, no not possible
benkay: addresses encode the network.
benkay: 1xxx is bitcoin, Li is litecoin, Dxxxx is doge
benkay: etc etc etc
benkay: although, nubbins`, you might be able to force the issue with pay-to-pubkey-hash
benkay: pay-to-pubkey-hash might still let the
benkay: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transactions#Pay-to-PubkeyHash
ozbot: Transactions - Bitcoin
KRS-One: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 6 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
nubbins`: oh yeah, vexual
benkay: well that's enough research for the night.
KRS-One: that cunt must be on vacation
KRS-One: ;;google australian cunt
gribble: Cunt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt>; Appendix:Australian English terms for people - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Australian_English_terms_for_people>; Urban Dictionary: Sick Cunt: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sick%20Cunt>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05223851 = 0.209 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.648 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05405859 = 0.2703 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6489999 BTC [+]
MisterE: "A recent study by the Standish Group, a firm in Boston that researches failures, found that only 5 percent of large federal IT projects in the last decade fully succeeded. Of the rest, 41 percent were failures, canceled before they were turned on."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00095085 = 27.8124 BTC [+] {6}
chetty: MisterE, cool more than half worked ...maybe
VanCleef: question
VanCleef: is 10 thousand billion the same as 10 trillion dollars?
MisterE: y
benkay: does anyone have a link to the Kraken "oops we dropped 600 BTC on the flor"?
benkay: "floor*" post?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.64986816 = 14.2971 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.65929293 = 11.208 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00095168 = 6.6618 BTC [+]
benkay: something better than this, plz: and telling customers to get fucked.
benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4918218#msg4918218
ozbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG
benkay: man my kill ring is bolloxed tonight
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.66880951 = 14.045 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: ah nm, that's basically as good as it gets.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.68632834 = 21.2762 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.69428363 = 7.6371 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00094953 = 15.2874 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0065 = 0.143 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0065 = 0.325 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0065 = 0.234 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0065 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2}
VanCleef: why are people buying asicminer? may as well keep sending coins to gox
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6808 BTC [-]
benkay: how's the water, VanCleef?
VanCleef: water?
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1753882/plain/)
benkay: !b 4 ✂︎
VanCleef: mmmk
benkay: http://www.charliekingcoaching.com/2013/10/25/hows-the-water-boys/
ozbot: Charlie King Coaching » “How’s the water, boys?”
benkay: disregard everything after the first pp
VanCleef: righ t o
benkay: from -dev
benkay: <phantomcircuit> the better solution is to create a new "key" type that stores
benkay: the raw byte array
benkay: <phantomcircuit> but that sounded like actual work so i didn't do it
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ^^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: have lamassu shipped any of their ATMs?
VanCleef: yeh
jurov: benkay: yes
jurov: but the owner is complaining since
jurov: and they are out of order often
benkay: complaining about?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.07032393 = 3.1646 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.68867475 = 2.7547 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: he wants the machine to sell euros immediately on the exchange, they are unable to deliver that feature
jurov: then there was a bug where it would eat your money without giving btc
jurov: were very slow to fix, too
jurov: and some other probs the owner did not explain deeper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.06917692 = 1.7986 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.694 = 2.082 BTC [+]
benkay: ty jurov
benkay: you are a perpetual wealth of information
chetty: from a friend on a forum: " but just visiting vircurex gets my system hacked, with 100% certainty"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00671398 = 0.3424 BTC [+] {5}
Mats_cd03: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.0043003 = 0.1376 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00303215 = 0.6398 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00303004 = 0.1939 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5396 @ 0.00095168 = 5.1353 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 27 @ 0.0043 = 0.1161 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.693004 = 3.465 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.69166888 = 12.45 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8817 @ 0.00095168 = 8.391 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10066 @ 0.0009528 = 9.5909 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134 @ 0.0009528 = 0.1277 BTC [+]
dexX7: am to teh moon!
VanCleef: yeh for some strange reason
VanCleef: reallyoverpriced
dexX7: "strange"
dexX7: "The first wafers were out in March 22th. The engineering batch of packaged chips will be out in March 28th. After that we can immediately start testing on functionality and power consumption."
davout: good morning!
mircea_popescu: heya
dexX7: hi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dexX7 what's strange about that ?
dexX7: nothing - that's the point
dexX7: ah you missed "<VanCleef> yeh for some strange reason"
mircea_popescu: a a
VanCleef: but even .6 btc really overpriced
VanCleef: will take you 6 years to make back roi
VanCleef: and am is hardly mining anymore they will just be selling chips
dexX7: ;;calc 400000*0.6
gribble: 240000
mircea_popescu: what do the chips do, i forget. 3gh ?
dexX7: ;;calc 6*24*365*25
gribble: 1314000
VanCleef: is it worth it dexX7 ?
dexX7: ;;calc 240000/1314000
gribble: 0.182648401826
dexX7: 18 % network hashrate over one year needed
VanCleef: they wont achieve that because i dont think they are even mining, just selling chips
mircea_popescu: dexX7 mind commenting that calc sowe can follow at home ?
dexX7: okay.. there are 400k am shares, so to make 0.6 btc per share you'd need 240000 btc in total
dexX7: over one year there can be 1314000 btc mined
mircea_popescu: oh oh i see
mircea_popescu: i thought you were somehow calcing the chips roi
mircea_popescu: VanCleef the 18% is of the total hashes hashed by the network over your arbitrary interval
mircea_popescu: not necessarily of the hashpower.
dexX7: about the chips: "Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip" + "Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage" + "0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice."
mircea_popescu: if they average 3% over the next 6 years then they made the 18% in question as it were
VanCleef: yeh
mircea_popescu: ok let's then math this.
dexX7: yea well, the math is biased and doesn't factor in any expenses
mircea_popescu: ;;gen 12800000
gribble: Error: "gen" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;genrate 12800000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 12800000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 4250217919.87, is 1.51455843716 BTC per day and 0.0631066015484 BTC per hour.
mircea_popescu: meh it got moved to mhps huh
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.51455843716 * 550
gribble: 833.007140438
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.35 * 0.1 * 24 * 3600
gribble: 3024.0
mircea_popescu: o wait per Gh
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.35 * 0.1 * 24 * 3600 / 12.8
gribble: 236.25
mircea_popescu: well that's the end of the story.
mircea_popescu: .5 dollars a day (.833 dollars a day in mining revenue, .236 dollars a day in elec costs for chip only)
mircea_popescu: from which you have to repay 6 to 12.8 dollars for the chip + all other setup and fixed costs and make a profit.
mircea_popescu: obviously difficulty is still popping up, add in delivery and lead-in times and you're looking at a very tenuous bottom line
dexX7: interesting
VanCleef: so what's a fair share price for am atm?
mircea_popescu: maybe .2 - .3 ?
dexX7: 1 btc+ due to the hype
mircea_popescu: or that yeah
dexX7: oh you said "fair"
VanCleef: yeh .3 makes sense
mircea_popescu: depends what you mean by "Fair"
mircea_popescu: who could have imagined that one day chips able to do 12.8 gh/s were going to not be worth a dollar.
mircea_popescu: http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/why-impact-us-sanctions-russia-going-be-exactly-zero
ozbot: Why the Impact of U.S. Sanctions on Russia Is Going to Be Exactly Zero | Alternet
mircea_popescu: mostly quoted for the "asia times by pepe escobar"
VanCleef: pepe escobar a name you can trust
dexX7: let's look at the competition. knc's neptune coming q2: "Minimum 3000GH/s" + "A 30% reduction in watts per GH" (currently about 1.6 w/gh afaik) + "$ 9,995.00"
mircea_popescu: dexX7 you don't see the whole competition
mircea_popescu: there are at least two manufacturers who are delivering but never bothered with the forum, at all.
VanCleef: "After the dotcom bubble and burst, they reinflated it with the real estate credit crisis bubble which also burst, now they've created the bubble of all bubbles its called the bailout bubble - The USA government launched bail outs, stimulus packages and guarantees to the tune of 10 trillion dollars. That's more than the total cost to the USA government for WW1, WW2, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, the invasion of Iraq and
VanCleef: scary
dexX7: hehe i'm not really following the mining stuff
mircea_popescu: dexX7 i don't mean you-you. i mean, "the community"
VanCleef: china is playing this really smart
VanCleef: good on them
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjewMXvIIAAm_Gj.jpg
VanCleef: nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.06836259 = 3.1447 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00095654 = 11.4785 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095661 = 1.4827 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Jon Gordon @JonGordon11 It's simple. The more you prepare the better you perform. This goes for sports, business, tests, speeches and life.
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @JonGordon11 @johnsonwhitney And masturbation ?
mircea_popescu: i tell you, twitter is too damned easy. it's like being back in romania almost.
dexX7: you are not in romania?
mircea_popescu: well i hadn't been doing business with actual romanian corps (as opposed to foreign run subsidiaries) for a decade. i had not been hiring romanians. for the past year i've not been writing in romanian, either, which means i don't even read the press
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00095678 = 19.0399 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: practically i live on an extrateritorial acre or somesuch.
cazalla: i know of 2 romanian people - both put out daily content - the other being kripparrian
dexX7: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528464.new#new
ozbot: [ANN] [ROCKMINER] IPO Announcement - miners using GEN3 ASICMINER chips
mircea_popescu: kripparian sounds armenian
cazalla: well, i believe he lives in canada
mircea_popescu: lolk
dexX7: https://www.kraken.com/security/audit "cryptographically-verified audit"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15747 @ 0.00095715 = 15.0722 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that
mircea_popescu: after their appaling performance (showing the same deposit addresses to multiple users, losing hundreds of btc in the process)
mircea_popescu: and their appaling response to mpoe-pr (failing to fire the appaling pr, mt-gox-esque cover-up and denial)
mircea_popescu: i can't take anything of the sort other than more cover-up and more lying.
mircea_popescu: add more l's in there.
dexX7: hehe
dexX7: according to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432 kraken holds about 0.5 % more coins than required
mircea_popescu: well, each his own determination. i do not trust them, at all.
mircea_popescu: i had originally hoped maybe they actually come to something, but i was disabused of these notions.
dexX7: did they screw up in the past or did they screw up and tried to cover that?
mircea_popescu: the latter.
mircea_popescu: it's in their thread, look for mpoe-pr's posts
dexX7: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847 this one?
ozbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: tis how dargo's btc career ended one day.
mircea_popescu: (hint : just because your "employer" tells you to do something, it doesn't follow it's a good idea to do - either for them or for you)
dexX7: true
mircea_popescu: people just gotta use teh noggin a lot more, everywhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24543 @ 0.00095768 = 23.5043 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: http://www.tvp.info/14506221/duma-do-polskiego-msz-podzielmy-ukraine Zhirinovsky.Of course.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.68999 = 2.76 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3616 @ 0.00095483 = 3.4527 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.0009545 = 6.8724 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8823 @ 0.00095294 = 8.4078 BTC [-]
jurov: kakobrekla, bitcoin-assets.com throws 503, subdomains work
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.003017 = 3.017 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0009528 = 4.9546 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0030121 = 0.3615 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.006511 = 0.2149 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00095188 = 8.8525 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00317699 = 0.6354 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: So Rockxie is IPOing?
ThickAsThieves: hrm
ThickAsThieves: seems suspect
ThickAsThieves: he's been a board member and primary reseller for a long time
ThickAsThieves: seems like a hedge at best
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6711 = 1.3422 BTC [-]
MisterE: is PPC going to supernova tonight?
MisterE: I got 99 problems but holding alts ain't one
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432
ozbot: [ANN] Kraken Passes Cryptographically Verifiable Proof of Reserves Audit
ThickAsThieves: "Claim 1: Kraken controls a certain amount of Bitcoins."
ThickAsThieves: ...
chetty: controls is an interesting choice of words
VanCleef: i'm ready to learn about the power of love
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1031 @ 0.00292881 = 3.0196 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.0029 = 0.2465 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: love is like greed, it'll motivate you to get fucked
nubbins`: showing how many btc you hold is vulgar, anyway ;p
ThickAsThieves: are numbers vulgar in an audit?
Diablo-D3: who in here was looking for a cheap dedi server?
ThickAsThieves: i guess it doesnt matter
VanCleef: good quote tat
ThickAsThieves: i made it myself
Diablo-D3: https://www.exelion.net/ use coupon hn50
ozbot: Exelion Hosting
VanCleef: :)
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: exceptions to every rule :D
nubbins`: my roommate is supposed to be heading to las vegas today
nubbins`: http://weather.gc.ca/warnings/report_e.html?nl21#905cwhx
ozbot: Alerts for: St. John's and vicinity - Environment Canada
nubbins`: but i don't know if he will!
VanCleef: isit a guy or a girl?
ThickAsThieves: the eternal question
VanCleef: hows your music going tat, still making some beats?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00280365 = 5.6073 BTC [-] {18}
nubbins`: VanCleef: guy
nubbins`: GWAR frontman Dave Brockie dead at 50
ThickAsThieves: VanCleef, I helped with a local compilation of beats by local producers
VanCleef: what today?
VanCleef: nubbins
ThickAsThieves: it'll be released this week with some listening session events and such
VanCleef: yeh nice tat
nubbins`: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/gwar-frontman-dave-brockie-a-k-a-oderus-urungus-reportedly-dead-at-50/
novusordo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528464
ozbot: [ANN] [ROCKMINER] IPO Announcement - miners using GEN3 ASICMINER chips
ThickAsThieves: "GWAR's latest album, "Battle Maximus", sold around 3,500 copies in the United States in its first week of release to debut at position No. 109 on The Billboard 200 chart. "
ThickAsThieves: wow music industry really is in the shitter
VanCleef: yep
ThickAsThieves: so they maybe sell 10-15,000 each release
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.00272 = 0.4978 BTC [-]
VanCleef: is there some bad news about neobee lately?
ThickAsThieves: well they said they'd release financial info last week and they didnt
VanCleef: ahh i see, thanks
ThickAsThieves: not sure if it was sposed to be a real update or just financial projections
VanCleef: do you have shares in anything atm?
ThickAsThieves: if i did i wouldnt necessarily say
novusordo: berkshire hathaway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00272 = 0.1822 BTC [-]
VanCleef: lol cmon man i need something, tired of sitting ont he sidelines
Neil: .d
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 80 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.1362% in 0d 11h 4m 47s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00273 = 0.1829 BTC [+]
nubbins`: VanCleef http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
novusordo: dat difficulty doe
novusordo: so what do you fellows think about the kraken audit process?
nubbins`: 5.5btc up for grabs there, potentially
VanCleef: i cant wait that long
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.00273 = 0.9009 BTC [+] {2}
VanCleef: my daughter needs surgery next month
ThickAsThieves: stop with the surgery line, it's presumptious at best
nubbins`: your daughter needs surgery next month so you're looking for a BTC fund to invest in?!
nubbins` calls social services
VanCleef: yeh because i dont have enough coins for it
novusordo: seems legit
nubbins`: ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 615 @ 0.00272878 = 1.6782 BTC [+] {3}
VanCleef: rockxie ipo might be a decent buy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.670011 = 1.34 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: as a gem, maybe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00095128 = 8.6566 BTC [-] {2}
VanCleef: havelock down again?
VanCleef: how come fb never gets ddos?
ThickAsThieves: cuz their model is pretty much to invite ddos
ThickAsThieves: so theyve spent years accommodating
nubbins`: might as well try to ddos amazon
VanCleef: SSL handshake failed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00273 = 0.546 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7121 @ 0.00095119 = 6.7734 BTC [-]
dexX7: "For me as outsider it looks like jimmothy is a paid shill/troll from an competing Bitcoin investment plattform.
dexX7: " ahahaha so i'm not the only one :D
dexX7: no wait
dexX7: invert the message
dexX7: this guy has the right feeling, but not the understanding of pure troll marketing
novusordo: let's ddos cloudfare
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6775 @ 0.00095053 = 6.4398 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.675 BTC [+]
VanCleef: lets ddos netscape
ThickAsThieves: http://tradeblock.com/research/new-name-new-tools-new-team-member-welcome-tradeblock/
ozbot: New Name, New Tools, New Team Member - Welcome to TradeBlock | TradeBlock
ThickAsThieves: We decided we needed some non-news, an uglier website, and a more generic name
kakobrekla: jurov yes that is intentional
ThickAsThieves: you used to have content, there no?
ThickAsThieves: what is the intention?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00275 = 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00270525 = 8.1158 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00095204 = 13.519 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0027 = 0.81 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves there was a breach yesterday, i decided to kill the container until uncompromisable version is up - you dont want to be running code that you dont know what it does. ☟︎
kakobrekla: well it wasnt yesterday, it was noticed then.
kakobrekla: offtopic:
kakobrekla: >Am I correct that I will be losing btc on these bets even though I am winning the bet? If I am wrong then please do not cancel and refund, however if I am correct please cancel and refund.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 292252 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 67 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4999212861.54 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.62251
ThickAsThieves: i hear ya kako, wordpress is a bitch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6874995 = 1.375 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: jurov address ?
jurov: what?
kakobrekla: your bitcoin address
kakobrekla: give it to me
jurov: you really want to refund? i was joking
kakobrekla: sure why not
ThickAsThieves: uh oh
ThickAsThieves: bad precedent
jurov: if you want, just send 0.1 to true donations addy for me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0543 = 0.3258 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: fine then.
kakobrekla: thanks
kakobrekla: :>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05523333 = 0.3314 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0558 = 0.279 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05625714 = 0.3938 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05767448 = 0.4614 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "And MP if you think you are the most significant innovator in this space, get prepared to unexpectedly kneel. You will soon be reminded that this space is fundamentally driven by technologists/technology, not Romanian Wallstreet wannabees."
jurov: who said that? some of power rangers?
nubbins`: this space is fundamentally driven by coddled children
Apocalyptic: would like to know the source as well TAT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0654006 = 0.327 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: the forum of course
ThickAsThieves: AnonyMint
jurov: ThickAsThieves I found this funny: http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/#comment-98643
jurov: in light of NEO/BEE PR
nubbins`: Get prepared to unexpectedly kneel.
nubbins`: that doesn't make any fucking sense
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: unfortunately i have no say in Neo's PR, etc
ThickAsThieves: nubbins, you are right that line is funnier than i first realized
KRS-1: Bandwidth wasn't higher because cached content wasn't downloaded from the Web server again, only new content and new visitors was the delta.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06725 = 0.1345 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0574 = 0.1148 BTC [-]
nubbins`: heh: http://i.imgur.com/jORElZr.jpg
nubbins`: "oh, shit, it's over there"
kakobrekla: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7463 @ 0.00095021 = 7.0914 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06989713 = 0.4893 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 90 @ 0.00428298 = 0.3855 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06989999 = 0.3495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00095014 = 9.5489 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: 'In a statement, Huawei spokesman Bill Plummer criticized the spying measures. “If it is true, the irony is that exactly what they (NSA, US) are doing to us is what they have always charged that the Chinese are doing through us,” he said. “If such espionage has been truly conducted, then it is known that the company is independent and has no unusual ties to any government and that
ThickAsThieves: knowledge should be relayed publicly to put an end to an era of mis- and disinformation.”'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07099999 = 1.065 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: mis and dis
VanCleef: huawei lost around of business around of world because of usa's trolling
VanCleef: alot
VanCleef: i demand a public apology from obama
nubbins`: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ca/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
ozbot: Hyperbole and a Half: The Alot is Better Than You at Everything
ThickAsThieves: i debated corrected him...
ThickAsThieves: correcting
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: maybe one day alot will be a word
nubbins`: three-day storm coming; seasonal snowclearing staff laid off this past friday. down to 50 operators from 180
nubbins`: FUN
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: it happened with alright, so who knows
ThickAsThieves: maybe all the all combos started that way
ThickAsThieves: always
ThickAsThieves: but all is not a
ThickAsThieves: although(<--- !) all is a lot
ThickAsThieves: anyone ever search for plane tickets and notice that after 10 minutes or so, options disappear and prices go up?
ThickAsThieves: then you check a few hours later and they revert
nubbins`: that shit is heavy voodoo
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, yeah
nubbins`: for extra lels, look up prices with a few different web browsers.
Apocalyptic: they're doing it on purpose, psychologic pressure and all
nubbins`: prices based on user-agent string, i've seen it
ThickAsThieves: i like how all the "competing" price sites advertise each other
Apocalyptic: <nubbins`> prices based on user-agent string, i've seen it // heh, really ?
nubbins`: yep
Apocalyptic: like OS X browser users wil be charged more than the rest ?
nubbins`: idea being that people who use, for example, IE6/7 are fucking idiots and won't shop around
ThickAsThieves: surely Apocalyptic
nubbins`: this has been known to happen in insurance circles too
ThickAsThieves: iOS is a tax on your internet life probly
nubbins`: anyway, http://www.lastminutetravel.com/
nubbins`: what's the other one?
nubbins`: kayak
nubbins`: http://www.kayak.com
VanCleef: Malaysia Airlines sends condolences to families via text message......and you thought breaking up with someone via txt messaging was rude
nubbins`: ^ double-plus good
ThickAsThieves: i cant trust kayak
nubbins`: no?
ThickAsThieves: nah, Priceline pop-ups
ThickAsThieves: fuck that
ThickAsThieves: ads for competitors
ThickAsThieves: etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.0009531 = 11.1989 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00292933 = 0.5068 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0009545 = 12.838 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ah
nubbins`: i've used them in the past with success
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0574 = 0.1722 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06612499 = 0.2645 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07099999 = 0.142 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.0029 = 0.5684 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0579 = 0.1158 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.071 = 0.284 BTC [+]
benkay: o/
benkay: lulz aplenty: http://bdaccelerate.com/#mentors-investors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00668989 = 0.1672 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00095015 = 1.8053 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "One of North America’s Best Word of Mouth Marketers"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
benkay: "Internet Personality"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [-]
jurov: Kirk will teach a maverick entrepreneur how to think like an executive
asciilifeform: and now for something completely different:
nubbins`: a word of mouth marketer
nubbins`: my sides
asciilifeform: 'Russians! I'm speaking to all Russians, those of you who live in Ukraine and Belarus are also called Russians here in the Balkans. Look at us and remember - the very same thing will be done to you, should you break up and show weakness. The West - is a chained, rabid dog, that shall tear out your throat. Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Do not allow the same to be done to you! Russians, why do you
asciilifeform: need Europe? It is hard to find a more self-sufficient people than yourselves. It is Europe who has need of you, but you need it not. You are so many - a whole three countries - but where is your unity! You have everything your own: much land, energy, fuel, water, science, industry, culture. When we had our Yugoslavia and we were united, we felt ourselves to be a great strength, able to shift mountains. But n
asciilifeform: ow, because of our folly, nationalism, unwillingness to hear each other - Yugoslavia is no more, and we - are now pimples on the political map of Europe, new markets for their overpriced garbage and for American democracy.' (- from the last interview given by Slobodan Milosevic, not long after he was 'accidentally' given the wrong heart meds. Translation mine.)
nubbins`: schlomo dan
asciilifeform: *not long before
asciilifeform: damn
asciilifeform goes to coffee
asciilifeform does not in fact translate interviews from corpses
jurov: fine, now only if russians managed not to mess up everything they touch
nubbins`: like pussy riot
VanCleef: stay strong russia we support your movement
nubbins`: ;p
jurov: lol @everyones pussy riot fixation
VanCleef: talk shit about putin what do you expect?
benkay: talk shit about pudenda
jurov: i'd say it was russian govt-sposored stunt to get west away from talking about everything else
nubbins`: jurov: i like it because it's not often you get to see stuffy newscasters having to say things like "pussy riot" :D
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/eastern-newfoundland-struck-by-wintry-blast-1.2583839
ozbot: Eastern Newfoundland struck by wintry blast - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: ^ that picture was taken a stone's throw from my house
nubbins`: very, very steep hill (60deg incline) just out of frame to the left
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0574 = 0.1722 BTC [-]
benkay: nubbins`: another gorgeous (!) day down south.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07 = 0.91 BTC [-]
nubbins`: heh.
ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/24/new-derivative-guards-against-bitcoins-price-swings/?mod=MarketsMain
ozbot: New Derivative Guards Against Bitcoin’s Price Swings - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: "Under the swap–known as a “non-deliverable” forward because the contract is settled in cash without the need to deliver bitcoin–the parties agreed to pay each other in the future a certain amount based on the values of the two currencies. "
nubbins`: i wonder how much money Mike Caldwell has made from licensing pictures of his coins
ThickAsThieves: it's the anti-mpex option! balance must be restored!
nubbins`: i still want one of those 0.1 silvers, but they're not easy to come by
mike_c_d: "The parties to the swap agreed to use an average price taken from multiple bitcoin exchanges" << good luck.
ninjashogun: does anyone know why recruiters (headhunters) don't share their bonus with their successfully placed recruit, as a cash payment (/incentive)? Especially where they make a large commission?
ninjashogun: It seems this would incentivize employees to use that headhunter to get to the same job - but it's not done. Any ideas why?
benkay: headhunters place the clueless. the clueless can't negotiate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0579 = 0.1737 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.66528967 = 5.9876 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5627 @ 0.00095209 = 5.3574 BTC [+]
chetty: about all those dead bankers?
chetty: http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/03/document-jpmorgan-chase-bets-10-4-billion-on-the-early-death-of-workers/
ozbot: Document: JPMorgan Chase Bets .4 Billion on the Early Death of Workers
benkay: nailguns.
ninjashogun: is that true though? Don't Gogle, Amazon, etc use headhunters for placing senior hires?
novusordo: i would
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 141 @ 0.0062084 = 0.8754 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.0066299 = 0.4972 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: i suppose a good headhunter would also make sure you got the best salary and benefits
ThickAsThieves: but, like real estate agents, there is more incentive in qty of deals over quality
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.660001 = 1.32 BTC [-]
mike_c_d: you altcoin miners are slow. 1.5 hours since last block? hash faster!
Apocalyptic: ^
benkay: mike_c_d: i'm fighting to get my block erupter up on a macintosh during late-night sleepy hours
mike_c_d: every 300 mhs helps.
mike_c_d: ;;atc,stats
gribble: Error: "atc,stats" is not a valid command.
mike_c_d: silly gribble
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 93 @ 0.00612978 = 0.5701 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06401 = 0.3201 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0699999 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.64934186 = 16.2335 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06401 = 0.256 BTC [+]
benkay: here's some madness
benkay: https://medium.com/p/1d068ac5a205
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.53035874 BTC to 4`277 shares, 59162 satoshi per share
novusordo: "Using Paypal-" nope
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095015 = 3.8006 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 562.41, Best ask: 564.43, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 562.4, 24 hour volume: 8486.64251253, 24 hour low: 547.0, 24 hour high: 569.48, 24 hour vwap: 559.420947826
novusordo: i want to believe that they're just trolling
novusordo: sounds like a radical liberal wet dream
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11865 @ 0.00094977 = 11.269 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07 = 1.47 BTC [+]
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/H16RKHb
ozbot: Angry Hitler Goldfish - Imgur
jurov: this looks like over the top... but one has to accept many people are useless somehow
jurov: you either feed them or fight them, there's no other option
asciilifeform: author of that turd 'knows' that he won't be personally sold, and it shows. (not by itself damning - authors of designs for meat processing plants don't expect to ever become chickens, either. but in this case it spoils the flavour in a rather obvious way.)
nubbins`: i admit i stopped reading and started skimming when i read "$1 per hour"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.0029103 = 0.5588 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07 = 0.56 BTC [+]
steven-__: benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_webwallets-will-always-fail-fr33aids-wallet-robbed-blockchaininfo-complicit-in-2fa-compromise.html has a broken link to http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/2014/03/05_those-coins-theyll-be-happy-with-their-new-master.html
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.641 = 3.846 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 160 @ 0.00612 = 0.9792 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432.0
ozbot: [ANN] Kraken Passes Cryptographically Verifiable Proof of Reserves Audit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]
jurov: two cans and a tentacle
jurov: did they manage coherent response to davout's challenge yet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00299922 = 0.5699 BTC [+] {4}
blackwhite: hola peeps
benkay: thanks steven-__
novusordo: it's certainly nice to see some exchanges actually trying now
novusordo: don't know if kraken's audit process will be enough, but I guess we'll see.
kakobrekla: jurov what was the challenge?
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zf3di/bitstamp_and_kraken_can_you_respond_to_these/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0571 = 0.1713 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06323466 = 0.1897 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0572776 = 0.1146 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00299899 = 0.2189 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0566702 = 0.1133 BTC [-]
diametric: it doesn't really matter if they comply with US law or not.
diametric: the US doesn't let little things like following regulations get in the way of them taking your lunch money.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00094937 = 5.6013 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00299899 = 0.2279 BTC [-]
davout: diametric: the us is irrelevant, they operate in europe
davout: jurov kakobrekla not rly, his answer boiled down to "because i say so"
diametric: davout: but they have accounts and accept USD within the US.
diametric: Well, Bitstamp still does. I think kraken discontinued support for USD if I'm not mistaken
davout: yeah, maybe but that's not what the conversation was about
davout: bitstamp operates in europe with an european bank, the currency in which their accounts are held is anecdotal
radan: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDpxjvYoLEJs&ei=8nIwU_rUD8bo2AWIw4HgAw&usg=AFQjCNEWzcjjuwoixYRx-M0TpYKZ-0LmkA&sig2=GeMYRlUAagLOdqbEUHTsuQ&bvm=bv.62922401,d.b2I
radan: uh, sorry
radan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpxjvYoLEJs
davout: they're probably held in eur too despite balances being shown in usd
diametric: hmm for some reason I swore Bitstamp held a bank account in the US but I'm probably mistaken then.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.057 = 0.285 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.063202 = 0.316 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-]
radan: is it possible to make money on bitbet
davout: diametric: they're at unicredit in slovenia
benkay: radan: if you bet correctly, sure.
Mats_cd03: jesse from kraken is hilarious
Apocalyptic: he's oblivious rather
Mats_cd03: its slowly dawning on him what a multinatl company has to deal with on a daily basis in order to engage in commerce
davout: quite funny about how reddit is all over their "audit"
Apocalyptic: ^
radan: what if you don't know which thing will happen
radan: I mean
radan: I can ask people in my industry about shit like
Apocalyptic: not sure why kako posted that link to begin with
radan: http://bitbet.us/bet/776/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-jan-2015-over/
ozbot: BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014
radan: but the rest of it doesn't mean anything to me
davout: radan: probably safer to not bet on it then
radan: how am I supposed to know "if Havelock Investments continues its operation from the bet's starting date through November 20th, 2014"
mike_c_d: so you're question is "how do i make money on shit i know nothing about"?
mike_c_d: *your
radan: yes
mike_c_d: davout told you. you don't.
davout: mike_c_d: told me what?
Apocalyptic: <davout> radan: probably safer to not bet on it then
davout facepalms
davout: i need to not stop at the end of the first sentence
Mats_cd03: what a stupid question
radan: well
radan: people have done it before
Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/iknowbitfunk/1nce-again-bit-funk-remix
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64067363 = 1.2813 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00095245 = 8.1911 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00299899 = 0.2669 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 69 @ 0.00557909 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0056328 = 0.1971 BTC [+]
MykelSIlver: http://bitcoin-assets.com/ : 503 Service Unavailable .... at this moment
mike_c_d: known issue. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2014#578447 ☝︎
MykelSIlver: thx okay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0164003 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {2}
MykelSIlver: hope http://bitbet.us/ is safe
mike_c: yes, it was a wordpress plugin that opened a small hole.
MykelSIlver: okay
mike_c: hopefully bitbet is not running on wordpress :)
Apocalyptic: maybe bitbet is based on wordpress too
MykelSIlver: oops.. you are not sure of that ?
Apocalyptic: damn mike_c
mike_c: MykelSIlver: i'm not involved with BB. but i highly doubt it.
MykelSIlver: lets hope for the best (bets)
mike_c: kakobrekla can confirm
MykelSIlver: kk
kakobrekla: it is not :)
MykelSIlver: alright. now i can sleep again.
mike_c: Apocalyptic: gotta be quick with the quips around here
Apocalyptic: heh I figured that much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0631858 = 0.6319 BTC [-] {5}
kakobrekla: bitcoin-assets will have a designated admin/maintainer from now on
kakobrekla: the wp part, to be specific.
jurov: and a designated secure server
jurov: btw i'm curious, what there needs CMS?
kakobrekla: i was actually contemplating just copy pasting the output of current wp in a html file
kakobrekla: and thats that
kakobrekla: but the girl is eager. :)
benkay: tell her to come hang out here too
benkay: whole family!
kakobrekla: o she is here
benkay: hi girl
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 292288 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 31 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 46 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5019360553.23 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.09655
lampelina: hi benkay
benkay: o/ lampelina
benkay: thx for handling b-a.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 458 @ 0.00610115 = 2.7943 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00602971 = 0.5547 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: today's adventures in unfucking someone else's crypto
benkay: constant secret, constant iv, vary salt -> different encrypted strings
benkay: sounds great
benkay: constant secret, constant iv, different salts of the same length -> valid decryption
benkay: WTF
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.05779541 = 3.1787 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06315 = 0.1895 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-]
benkay: vary salt *length on encryption cycle
benkay: protip: don't delegate crypto to outsourced ios developers across the ocean.
mike_c: my frustration today: it doesn't matter that python is slow as dirt, until it does.
Mats_cd03: what are you doing
Mats_cd03: with python
mike_c: well, the slow part (i think) is a have a big 2-dimensional array that i'm doing a lot of lookups into
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00095362 = 17.1652 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: pypy would solve your problem
Mats_cd03: python is doing a lot of background noise between iterations
mike_c: indeed it would.. i'm always a little worried about incompatabilities
Mats_cd03: a jit would fix that
Apocalyptic: <Mats_cd03> pypy would solve your problem // depends
Apocalyptic: but if you think you can get close to a native C prog speed you're mistaken
Mats_cd03: for your problem ctypes might be easier if you are worried about compatibility
mike_c: i just hate switching to c modules because you have to cross-compile. pita.
Mats_cd03: then create a generator so you can fill element by element?
mike_c: i'll take another look at pypy, that's a good idea. i haven't poked around at it in a while.
mike_c: thx
Mats_cd03: gl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00095445 = 7.6356 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: benkay: malware?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07 = 0.56 BTC [+]
mike_c: sheesh. 21 seconds on cpython, 3.3 secs on pypy
blackwhite: so digital voting. Government send me a "coin" for voting. I send it back to vote. Everyone can see it, cheating much less possible? Thoughts?
thestringpuller: blackwhite: mircea_popescu talks about that on trilema
blackwhite: trilema?
blackwhite: got it
blackwhite: his website
blackwhite: thnx
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: i can't find the specific article but do a bit of googling and you'll find it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.059 = 0.177 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.063 = 0.189 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: blackwhite: if you find it PM me the link
blackwhite: http://trilema.com/
ozbot: Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
blackwhite: oh you mean the article :)
blackwhite: hehe
blackwhite: sorry
benkay: yup that's trilema
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: the article I can't find it
punkman: blackwhite: here's the article http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
blackwhite: haha sorry
blackwhite: thanks punkman
thestringpuller: thx punkman
punkman: or this, http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/
asciilifeform: ;;google cryptographic voting
gribble: End-to-end auditable voting systems - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_auditable_voting_systems>; Cryptography - Electronic Voting - Stanford Crypto Group: <http://crypto.stanford.edu/pbc/notes/crypto/voting.xhtml>; Cryptographic Voting Protocols: A Systems Perspective - Usenix: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: not the least bit young field.
punkman: asciilifeform: indeed
benkay: asciilifeform: only in the sense that iOS software is all malware.
thestringpuller: there we go punkman that's the one
punkman: thestringpuller: either way not what blackwhite was hoping for
thestringpuller: the latter is
only: ;;msg nickserv info only
gribble: Error: "msg" is not a valid command.
only: nvm, sorry
blackwhite: the latter actually is interesting and kind of what I was thinking
blackwhite: the main thing is how do you keep the actual vote secret, where as you want the actual vote event public
blackwhite: how many of you are using some sort of dashboard tool to follow bit coins? And is there room for someone making a better dashboard dealing perhaps not only with bitcoin but also other currencies?
benkay: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/04/california-police-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto
ozbot: California police use of body cameras cuts violence and complaints | World news | The Guardian
benkay: blackwhite: blockr.io's kinda the standard right now
benkay: http://blockr.io
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07 = 0.91 BTC [+] {2}
blackwhite: benkay thanks
benkay: "state of the art"
blackwhite: you think there would be room for competition? I mean after all the field is still very new
blackwhite: design is my speciality but I do enough to code this stuff too
benkay: you can always put up another website. the question i think you'll want to ask is if it's worth your time.
mike_c: there is a lot of competition already if you are talking about stuff like https://bitcoinwisdom.com/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0584 = 0.1168 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: blackwhite: do you have a portfolio?
radan: why isn't bitcoin run like a democracy
blackwhite: thestringpuller yeah
blackwhite: it's old though
blackwhite: but here is a few things
blackwhite: http://000fff.org/uploads/Nasdaq_Design_Final_new.png
blackwhite: http://grab.by/vptq
ozbot: TinyGrab - Simple. Screenshot. Sharing.
mike_c: don't you know graphs are supposed to go up and to the right!?
benkay: backoff thestringpuller blackwhite's mien
benkay: mine*
blackwhite: :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00095079 = 4.3736 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: lololol
thestringpuller: POACHERS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00600062 = 0.6001 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.0009485 = 12.1882 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0589 = 0.1178 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0589 = 0.1178 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [-]
benkay: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0009485 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00095043 = 4.8947 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07099 = 1.4198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0571005 = 0.1142 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0009485 = 12.7099 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00094999 = 2.565 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64004 BTC [-]
blackwhite: https://derivabit.com/
ozbot: Derivabit | Coinflip, Inc.
Apocalyptic: https://derivabit.com/about
ozbot: Derivabit | Coinflip, Inc.
Apocalyptic: looks like they're a bunch of winners
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: "This then resolves the problem statistically, which is to say on average and generally speaking, people are unlikely to engage in morally hazardous behaviour. It also resolves the problem quite cheaply, as it requires absolutely no human intervention, the entire thing works quite mechanically."
deadweasel: i love these two lines from http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/
deadweasel: that line is RE: 'betting late on bitbets no refund bitches'
deadweasel: it's this cheap way to solve currently expensive problems. entire industries could be minimized or abandoned altogether (finance for one
deadweasel: this nigga needs another bitcoin
deadweasel: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.063 = 0.189 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00095096 = 3.8989 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00293368 = 0.3227 BTC [-] {6}
blackwhite: SaxoBank used to my one of my clients
blackwhite: http://www.coindesk.com/danish-investment-bank-owner-bitcoin-exploration/
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/new-system-tracks-and-zaps-flies-with-lasers-to-change-behaviors/
ozbot: New system tracks and zaps flies with lasers to change behaviors | Ars Technica
peterl: anybody here from bitbet?
mike_c: lurking around, yeah. you can just ask if you have a question.
peterl: did the terms for calculating winnings change recently? I seem to remember it used to weigh the whole amount bet, now you get what you put in back plus your weight of the losing side?
ThickAsThieves: maybe give a specific example
jurov: afaik nothing changed
ThickAsThieves: and note the number you expect to get, in contrast with the number you are getting
deadweasel: user can specify how much it's weighted
peterl: well, I seem to remember people complaining that late bets would lose money?
deadweasel: or starting weight
ThickAsThieves: still the case
ThickAsThieves: significant weight disparity can result in loss
ThickAsThieves: even on a winning bet
deadweasel: in fact: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]
peterl: yeah, but you can only go down to 99%
mike_c: http://bitbet.us/faq/#140 explains how you can lose money on a bet.
ozbot: FAQ BitBet
deadweasel: ozbot should spam the channel with that at least once a day. boom, no more support.
peterl: maybe I was just confused before?
deadweasel: or mpexbot or assbot or a fuckingbot
ThickAsThieves: peterl, you still havent clarified whether there are ever was a problem or misunderstanding
peterl: yeah, that link is what I was looking at. I seem to remember it being worded differently in the past. Probly I was just confused before.
ThickAsThieves: -are
ThickAsThieves: maximum amount of loss on a winning bet is 100%
ThickAsThieves: if you send late ;)
peterl: well, yeah, but that is a whole different issue entirely
deadweasel: bitbet, a neverending source of infotainment
jurov: http://bitbet.us/bet/596/btc-difficulty-to-increase-by-less-than-10/ peterl here you can see it
ozbot: BitBet - BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10%
jurov: the weight 59/100000 is less than 1% bitbet fee , hence No loses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00299999 = 0.294 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: ;;later tell blackwhite so tell me sir what was your best source of dealflow?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00095198 = 20.0392 BTC [+] {2}
radan: what are some good beds to bid on
deadweasel: tempurpedic
benkay: i prefer bunks
cazalla: beat me :\
benkay: surely you meant to say "bed me", cazalla.
deadweasel beats cazalla
cazalla: ha
benkay: cazalla's still looking for dat buttsecks
deadweasel beds cazalla
deadweasel: which means you got beaten twice
radan: cazalla, are you a girl
cazalla: no, what would make you think that
jurov: i bed your pardon?
nubbins`: http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/
ozbot: BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014
cazalla: (i was going to say yes)
radan: I knew a girl named caz
deadweasel: yo, i heard you like beds in yo bids on yo bitbet!
radan: so I was wondering
deadweasel: cas? cassie?
cazalla: it's from a book
deadweasel: wat book
cazalla: a pirate book, forget the name
radan: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
deadweasel: ass-pirates 12, the plundering?
mike_c: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Latitudes
ozbot: Pirate Latitudes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
radan: there's a lot of people voting yes
radan: hmmm
cazalla: that's it
radan: I don't get what it's saying
cazalla: not the best book but i enjoy stuff like that, hornblower etc
mike_c: hm, hornblower has got to be better than a book crichton wrote after he died
mike_c: i liked hornblower
cazalla: yeah, i wish they would make more, shame the books are a bit difficult to read - at least for me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.05619641 = 0.7867 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.06545798 = 0.7855 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-]
benkay: mircea_popescu: derivabit.com
benkay: jurov: ^^
benkay: thestringpuller: ^^ kakobrekla ^^
Neil: .d
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 6 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.6985% in 0d 0h 36m 43s
jurov: yes i have seen. "Derivabit uses Coinbase’s spot rate."
mike_c: they aren't even worth laughing at. a couple of front-end engineers built an options exchange.
jurov: how do they want to protect from manipuation?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00095345 = 7.1985 BTC [+]
mike_c: i like their faq. question: "How can you have USD strike prices but option prices in BTC?" answer: "Orders can be canceled by their user at any time if they have not yet been matched"
benkay: let's test 'em.
benkay: i know, right mike_c?
benkay: tee hee hee question unanswered
benkay: http://toyokeizai.net/articles/-/33526
r3wt: bcauth; r3wt
r3wt: ;bcauth
r3wt: help
r3wt: ;;bcauth
gribble: (bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.
r3wt: ;;bcauth r3wt
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!addaa87c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.218.168.124. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:84e544f76d7e0ac25e4d93a7ba6f807ce615c86e7cc8a1f727bcb5a8
benkay: wd r3wt
Neil: So the next diff is just over 5 billion
novusordo: doesn't that mean free hookers and beer?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00095292 = 11.0062 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: only for some
nubbins`: also, dat mpoe
Mats_cd03: free dongs and used condoms
nubbins`: !t m s.mg
assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00010001 / 0.00010748 / 0.000154 (7000 shares, 0.75 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.00012597 / 0.000154 (12232 shares, 1.54 BTC)
Mats_cd03: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009485 / 0.00095208 / 0.00095791 (522419 shares, 497.39 BTC), 7D: 0.00079699 / 0.00087508 / 0.00096 (6292661 shares, 5,506.62 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085663 / 0.00096 (30411002 shares, 26,051.09 BTC)
Mats_cd03: how do i bot
nubbins`: just like that
nubbins`: i'm honestly bewildered by mpoe's volume
Mats_cd03: oh
Mats_cd03: ive had assbot on ignore this whole time
Duffer1: :D
Mats_cd03: wuts bewildering? 2600btc/30d?
Mats_cd03: well, with an additional 0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00297601 = 0.1488 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;prevdiffchange
gribble: 17.80244
deadweasel: holy shit 94!
deadweasel: noice
ninjashogun: is the public ledger going to contain every record from forever?