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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0639186 = 0.6392 BTC [-] {3}
Mats_cd03: people are unreasonable when it comes to musk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06373112 = 0.8285 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1025 @ 0.0008 = 0.82 BTC [-]
benkay: they just get a whiff and *blammmo* can't keep 'em off me
Mats_cd03: you'd think he was jesus preparing to take the believers to live on mars
Mats_cd03: from the way people pile on TSLA
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.06340475 = 1.3315 BTC [-] {4}
TheNewDeal: hahaha
TheNewDeal: benkay totally confused me for a second there
TheNewDeal: imagine if he let people purchase his cars with bitcoin
TheNewDeal: reddit would go craaazy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.0610754 = 1.7101 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: and nothing would change.
benkay: anyone with the btc to lay on a tesla can lay the cash on it, and probably more easily.
kakobrekla: afaik you can buy tesla with btc (buttstamp guys didit)
benkay: huh
TheNewDeal: did reddit go crazy?!?
benkay: i guess that's what you get when you sell directly - the freedom to take whatever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06006885 = 1.9222 BTC [-] {3}
Mats_cd03: in practical terms it ends up converted to fiat anyway
kakobrekla: http://cdn.kme.si/public/images-cache/640xX/2013/12/18/36025dbe8663ff565475ac75d251530e/52b1bf4763e1f/36025dbe8663ff565475ac75d251530e.jpeg
kakobrekla: there ya go
TheNewDeal: http://mashable.com/2013/12/09/tesla-bitcoin/ this dude bought it for 91.4 BTC. Probably could return it for just as much right now
assbot: Man Buys $103K Tesla Model S With Bitcoin
Mats_cd03: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/09/tesla-model-s-bitcoin-purchase-false/
assbot: Tesla not bought with Bitcoin currency after all? - Autoblog
Mats_cd03: TheNewDeal: ^
benkay: wow there's a fucking hack
benkay: buy a tesla with btc
benkay: let it depreciate
benkay: recoup btc
Mats_cd03: you think dealerships have the freedom to hold btc?
kakobrekla paid 500btc for his golf cart
Mats_cd03: they get fucking bent over by manufacturers, mate
TheNewDeal: I don't think the dealeship would allow your to return it for the same amount of btc
benkay: hang on i may be a few too beers deep to keep track of my +/- axes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10675 @ 0.00079982 = 8.5381 BTC [-]
benkay: buy car, btc appreciates, car depreciates, get fucked.
TheNewDeal: yes but this would have been a different situation, as bitcoin was $1000+ at the time
BingoBoingo: mike_c: This is a troubling increase in hash
benkay: TheNewDeal: mhm.
mike_c: yeah, we lose. it's ok, we had good odds.
TheNewDeal: last two changes effed you guys
TheNewDeal: I guess the 12.44 wasn't that bad
TheNewDeal: this current potential change and the last
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2505 @ 0.00080059 = 2.0055 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0600106 = 0.6001 BTC [+] {4}
TheNewDeal: I wouldn't mind if the hash jumped off a cliff right now
TheNewDeal: or took a big stumble
TheNewDeal: tried to make a little hedge bet on with the next change and it backfired in my face
benkay: don't bet against diff, boss
TheNewDeal: why does everyone say that?
TheNewDeal: part of the bet requires an actual decent estimate on what the diff will be at that point
benkay: hey nerds redis or memcached?
punkman: redis has more useful data structures
benkay: decision made thank you punkman
punkman: benkay: maybe of interest: http://aphyr.com/posts/307-call-me-maybe-redis-redux
assbot: Call me maybe: Redis redux
benkay: thanks again punkman
benkay: i'm not facing lots of writes but rather reads
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2780 @ 0.00080059 = 2.2256 BTC [+]
punkman: guy's doing some good there with that Jepsen thing
punkman: *some good work
benkay: aaaand i may not even use a cacheing layer at the end of the day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06491932 = 0.9738 BTC [-] {4}
TheNewDeal: wondering how many food stamps have been purchased with bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9645 @ 0.00080333 = 7.7481 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: what universe do you live in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00079845 = 3.2736 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: it was a joooke dude
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06209101 = 1.366 BTC [-] {6}
moiety: amiga?
benkay: hola aiga
benkay: amiga
moiety: hola!
moiety: firefox just lost five pieces of work that ive been doing for past two days, so pissed off
moiety: well not really pissed off, but it wasnt fun. how are you benkay?
benkay: brutal, bruja
benkay: i'm well
benkay: doing some exploratory hacking. it's coming along nicely.
moiety: sounds interesting
benkay: i'm sure you'll see something about it before i die
benkay: but also probably after the cardano ships
moiety: not the smallest window of time XD but i'll wait patiently :]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06 = 0.66 BTC [+]
benkay: http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/
assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (96%) on Yes, 0.05 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 week| weight: 85`913 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.06 = 1.68 BTC [+]
benkay: TheNewDeal: that TSLA bet is interesting - aren't we p.close to 250 already?
mike_c: TheNewDeal: everyone says that because 1) you can't draw a line from previous diff changes to future (see moore's law), and 2) despite this it just keeps marching up.
benkay: lol ya diff is watching bitbet just to fuck people who bet against it
TheNewDeal: mike_c , what I'm saying is that some people don't know how to calculate a good difficulty
mike_c: diff is mean-spirited asshole.
TheNewDeal: April, May, and :June were all Nos
mike_c: ok, so with your superior prognostication, what weight did you get on the may bet?
TheNewDeal: guess it was just april and may
TheNewDeal: never said I had superior prognostication
mike_c: hehe. it was implied by "some people can't calculate"
TheNewDeal: I bet at the end of march
TheNewDeal: bet was started at the end of january
TheNewDeal: here's the thing
mike_c: k. betting that difficulty won't double in a month is not "betting against diff"
TheNewDeal: The majority of those that bet Yes on May bet early
TheNewDeal: when it's much harder to tell
TheNewDeal: regardless
TheNewDeal: look at the majority of bets there
TheNewDeal: not just my late bet
TheNewDeal: I'm typically a conservative better
mike_c: the majority were late when it was obvious.
TheNewDeal: I would rather earn a sure, small portion, versus risk a lot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14372 @ 0.00080006 = 11.4985 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: after 84'000 weight, there were only 2 Yes bets
mike_c: all i'm saying is, if you think you have an edge, whip up some IDIFF.SEP contracts.
TheNewDeal: and those people were probably just looking at pot odds
TheNewDeal: I don't have the capital to trade on mpoe
TheNewDeal: would love to, but just not my reality
mike_c: coinbr is full featured these days.
TheNewDeal: staying far from coinbr for the time being
TheNewDeal: no offense, just not my cup of tea
mike_c: why?
TheNewDeal: I trading what I own and owning what I trade
TheNewDeal: i like *
mike_c: you think coinbr is too much counterparty risk?
mike_c: ;;gettrust TheNewDeal jurov
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com. Trust relationship from user TheNewDeal to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TheNewDeal&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012
TheNewDeal: I have no problems with jurov
mike_c: i'm not trying to bust balls, i'm honestly curious.
TheNewDeal: let me throw out a hypothetical here
TheNewDeal: let's say I am comfortable investing 10 BTC through coinbr ( I'm not)
TheNewDeal: to me, a healthy return over one year (in BTC) would be 10%
TheNewDeal: that makes 11 BTC
TheNewDeal: subtract account management fees, and thats 10.76
mike_c: ok, i'm with you
TheNewDeal: with NO withdrawls, that has just taken 1/4 of my profits over a year
mike_c: ok. so point #1, you think it's too expensive. but why wouldn't you be comfortable putting in 10 btc?
TheNewDeal: that's over 1/2 of my ownership
TheNewDeal: not an early adopter
mike_c: but you would be comfortable putting that much on bitbet?
TheNewDeal: most definitely
TheNewDeal: for instance
TheNewDeal: if I put down 10 BTC on this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/
assbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (15%) on Yes, 415.18 B (85%) on No | closing in 5 months 22 hours | weight: 42`696 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: the return is sitting at ~9% over a 5 month period
TheNewDeal: and it's a hedge
mike_c: interesting. jurov, you need more WoT :)
TheNewDeal: it has nothing to do with trust
mike_c: well, it does if you're comfortable putting 10 btc in bitbet and not coinbr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9528 @ 0.00080251 = 7.6463 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: coinbr is restricted to MPOE stocks, and I'm very unfamiliar with them compared to those who trade
TheNewDeal: on bitbet, I can pick and choose what I feel comfortable with
mike_c: ok. lemme ask this then. if you thought you could get a 20% return on coinbr in a year, would you invest 10 btc?
TheNewDeal: perhaps less
TheNewDeal: what I would really like to do is start off with 2 or so BTC until I feel comfortable with it
TheNewDeal: but that would be a waste of money
mike_c: how would you feel if the monthly fee were lower and the trading fees higher?
TheNewDeal: dislike
mike_c: well.. something's gotta cost. brokers aren't free.
TheNewDeal: I would prefer that he were like a hedge fund manager, making % off your winnings
mike_c: hm. hedge fund managers get a fee too.
mike_c: besides performance fees
kakobrekla: depends.
kakobrekla: :D
TheNewDeal: usually is a tiny percentage of what they manage
punkman: tweaked bitbet strategy: 10 BTC for 500x 0.02 bets, net gain 3.92 BTC
TheNewDeal: punkman, have you done this successfully?
punkman: I think I will try
punkman: just testing over past bets
mike_c: except kako, who won't take any money unless he thinks he earns it (very un-hedge fund like)
kakobrekla: lol, less scammy.
TheNewDeal: the thing I also like about bitbet is that you can pick off bets that are almost for sure winners, and look for a certain return
moiety: nothing wrong with that, i'm same
mike_c: right up until you're wrong :)
moiety: how can you be wrong wanting to earn your money XD
punkman: well if this retarded strategy can do 46% I think I got some margin for error
TheNewDeal: that doesnt make sense to me
TheNewDeal: arent you just picking and choosing past bets that would make money?
punkman: no
TheNewDeal: you're betting on everything?
kakobrekla: 46% what ?
punkman: 10.16 BTC in, net gain 4.59 BTC
punkman: betting on no, skipping certain bets
TheNewDeal: lol
TheNewDeal: how would you know which to skip?
mike_c: punkman: you should look into some of the theory about backtesting. like, you can't use the same data you develop your hypothesis on to test your strategy.
kakobrekla: yeap
kakobrekla: well you can
kakobrekla: but it will be shit prolly.
mike_c: heh, yes. "can't" is a strong word.
kakobrekla: :D
TheNewDeal: is there a minimum for password protected bets?
mike_c: TheNewDeal: last comment from me, i'm really not trying to sell you. But that 'tiny percentage' you were talking about from hedge fund managers is usually 2%. which is the same fee as coinbr in your 10 BTC example.
TheNewDeal: 2% is more like a fee for an index fund
kakobrekla: the retarded standard is 2/20
TheNewDeal: 2% fee and 20% of profit?
kakobrekla: yes 2% mgmt fee, 20 profit allocation
kakobrekla will burn your money for free.
TheNewDeal: mike_c if you read what I said, I told you that I was NOT comfortable risking 10 BTC on coinbr/mpoe
TheNewDeal: I said something more like 2 BTC to begin with
mike_c: yup, i got that. just talking about the fees.
TheNewDeal: ;;calc .02*12/2
gribble: 0.12
punkman: mike_c, wanna make some synthetic data for testing?
TheNewDeal: punkman, are you betting both sides, or are you just picking winners :p
mike_c: punkman: you can cut up the data you have into pieces. but I really don't think there's enough for much confidence in results.
mike_c: strategy like MPIF's is really based more on a belief about how the system works rather than statistical analysis.
mike_c: but even that was better tested. hypothesis was formed before the analysis, not as a result of the analysis.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 57 @ 0.02021088 = 1.152 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00080649 = 12.7829 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: mike_c my reason against coinbr is more of opportunity cost versus harboring any malice against the site or jurov
mike_c: understood. i just see you as a good potential customer for coinbr, so I was trying to dig into why you were hesitant. i think i get it.
TheNewDeal: quiz question. If I were on coinbr, and then bought a MPOE account, what would he charge to transfer shares
mike_c: i believe withdrawal/asset transfers are the same
TheNewDeal: gotcha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 33 @ 0.01969756 = 0.65 BTC [-] {5}
TheNewDeal: okay so I'm reading jurov's writeup on x.diff
TheNewDeal: I never knew about the collateral cap on payout
ThickAsThieves: a couple times a year jurov and i give mp a hard time about x.diff design
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.06499999 = 4.55 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: I'm really confused tho
TheNewDeal: where's the money to be made for those that mkfut ?
ThickAsThieves: fwiw, if that TSLA bitbet gets approved, i'll play
TheNewDeal: which side will you bet :D
ThickAsThieves: i'd need to chart it more
ThickAsThieves: i'd say yes probly
[]bot: Bet created: "Contador wins Tour De France" http://bitbet.us/bet/952/
TheNewDeal: Dec 14 option for $250 is selling for a premium of 18$
ThickAsThieves: i have a top around there though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0185 = 0.925 BTC [+]
decimation: "mircea_popescu: well, for one if you fly high enough you don't actually have to report" << it's my understanding that you must file with IFR, which is generally high flight. Flying low in clear air (VFR) would be the ticket.
decimation: but even then, "they" are tracking you: http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works
assbot: How it works - Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker!
decimation: MLAT In some regions with coverage from several FR24-receivers we also calculate positions of aircraft with the help of Multilateration (MLAT), by using a method known as Time Difference of Arrival (TDOA). ... That means that MLAT coverage can only be achieved above about 10000 feet as the probability that signal can be received by four or more receivers increases with increased altitude.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.065 = 0.91 BTC [+] {3}
[]bot: Bet created: "True Detective to win Drama Emmy" http://bitbet.us/bet/953/
decimation: except... " Blocking For security and privacy reasons information about some aircraft is limited or blocked." I wonder how you get into their wot?
TheNewDeal: if all flights were tracked so damn well at least I would have to wake up to another fucking Flight 379 update
decimation: you mean 370?
TheNewDeal: yes
TheNewDeal: -9
decimation: well, the data these guys use comes from "volunteers" who operate receivers attached to internet connection
decimation: not many of them in turd world countries or the ocean...
TheNewDeal: I will happily trade my constant position location as long as I don't have to have another one of those updates. Do you hear me Big Brother? You've finally won
TheNewDeal: just quit the tortute already
decimation: if you really want to move about mostly unbothered, I suggest a submarine. Or walk.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3717 @ 0.00080481 = 2.9915 BTC [-]
decimation: re: flew plane into IRS building: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack
assbot: 2010 Austin suicide attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
TheNewDeal: holy shit! only two people died?
[]bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin VC investments over $300 million in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/954/
decimation: "Introduced by Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Section 1706 added a subsection (d) to Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978, which removed "safe harbor" exception for independent contractor classification (which at the time avoided payroll taxes) for workers such as engineers, designers, drafters, computer professionals, and "similarly skilled" workers."
decimation: Congress took away the presumption that engineers can work as independent contractors, thus reducing their ability to be self employed.
decimation: whereas real estate agents have a "very special tax status" http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/real-estate-agent-special-classification-rules-for-independent-contractor-status.html
assbot: Real Estate Agent Special Classification Rules For Independent Contractor Status | Nolo.com
decimation: they are automatically considered to be independent contractors even when employed and given a salary.
[]bot: Bet created: "Tesla stock to close at over $250 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/955/
TheNewDeal: here it is punkman, begin your hypothesis test on a fresh bet
decimation: now, why do you suppose those who work in the bezzle economy are showered with special favors while those who work in the "real economy" are treated as serfs?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27638 @ 0.00080803 = 22.3323 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.06799962 = 1.836 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/19/markets-precious-idUSL4N0P025U20140619
assbot: PRECIOUS-Gold surges 3 pct in 'frantic' short covering after Fed| Reuters
decimation: presumably this is also good news for those long bitcoin
decimation: asciilifeform - I was spec'ing some Intel chips today, and realized that their marketing strategy (for all segments) relies on maximally obfuscating the functionality of their products
TheNewDeal: hahahah
TheNewDeal: and somehow they continue to make a profit...
decimation: well, a large chunk of "computer" "purchasers" have no idea what the hell they are buying, so I can see why they would do it
decimation: it's hard to convince even the dumbest of the masses to pay more for less ... unless they don't know they are buying
TheNewDeal: I would assume corportations buy more computers than people though
TheNewDeal: doesn't necessarily negate your point, but
decimation: a big chunk of corporate 'buyers' would really be happy with a slightly updated wang word processor
decimation: I use the scare quotes for "buyer" because I'm not sure the word applies to someone giving money to someone in exchange for something they don't understand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.068 = 0.952 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: you're taking most of the buyers out of the world economy with that statement
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00080678 = 24.2034 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: indeed.
moiety: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/google-unveils-independent-fork-of-openssl-called-boringssl/
assbot: Google unveils independent fork of OpenSSL called BoringSSL | Ars Technica
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00080481 = 1.9315 BTC [-]
mike_c: dig @54.197.241.190 seeds.therealaltcoin.org
mike_c: ^ altcoin-seeder seems to be working
mike_c: so ThickAsThieves, if you put a nameserver record in your DNS (NS, not an A record) pointing seeds.therealaltcoin.org at the above IP address, we should have seeding.
mike_c: source code will have to be updated too obv, to add seeds.therealtco.org to the inital seed list.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 54 @ 0.01858999 = 1.0039 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11888 @ 0.00080424 = 9.5608 BTC [-] {3}
TheNewDeal: what happens to collateral when one sells an xdiff?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.0008095 = 19.0637 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: just wanna say before it go, mthreats search === awesome
decimation: are you going to make the logs searchable with his software?
mthreat: yep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00080996 = 3.0374 BTC [+]
decimation: mthreat your highest google result is the bbs interview - I like your model M keyboard in the background
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00080999 = 5.3054 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.068 = 1.36 BTC [+]
mthreat: decimation: ya that loud ass keyboard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00080353 = 4.2989 BTC [-]
mthreat: !up napedia
mthreat: !up napedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8234 @ 0.00080353 = 6.6163 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06829404 = 1.161 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00080651 = 18.3884 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06899998 = 0.966 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12897 @ 0.00080335 = 10.3608 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1102 @ 0.00080273 = 0.8846 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899999 = 0.69 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00080215 = 9.7862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00080208 = 3.4489 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3962 @ 0.00080243 = 3.1792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17479 @ 0.00080243 = 14.0257 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06517444 = 1.1731 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06897776 = 0.9657 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.0185888 = 0.7807 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18664 @ 0.00080393 = 15.0045 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.0008023 = 16.728 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3286 @ 0.00080231 = 2.6364 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.03847462 = 0.6156 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899998 = 0.69 BTC [+] {3}
Mats_cd03: white girl wasted
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00080203 = 4.0503 BTC [-]
xmj: moin
xmj: any SCUBA divers around?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 53 @ 0.069 = 3.657 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00079988 = 18.0773 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14660 @ 0.00079892 = 11.7122 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00079892 = 11.3047 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 74 @ 0.03847462 = 2.8471 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ah god orange juice
mircea_popescu: such a brilliant invention
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.06847623 = 2.876 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00079892 = 4.1144 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26499 @ 0.00080247 = 21.2647 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00079883 = 15.4574 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: hey
mircea_popescu: shit it's 5am
mircea_popescu: who the hell is still on origin time after a month in a different timezone i wish to know ?!
punkman: I don't think you were on .ro time even when you were in .ro
xmj: people too lazy to fix their /etc/localtime.
mircea_popescu: punkman hmm this is a point
mircea_popescu: tho i kinda tended to wake 11ish
mircea_popescu: which is what it's now
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/moar-haxxing-moar-haxxing-have-a-look-an-here-we-go/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00080189 = 2.8066 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay: the label on this beer can is misaligned by a whole damn .125 << maybe it's so it reads right when you're drunk
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i forgot to add dogecoin creator jackson palmer to the list of .au scammers
mircea_popescu: what is it with you bunch of ex brtish convicts over there!!1
mircea_popescu: benkay: http://api.wordpress.org/secret-key/1.1/ << ok that's fuckign out there.
mircea_popescu: the sp[eed at which they spit the shit out, too.
mircea_popescu: urandom ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: short the world. << "the little bettor that said no"
mircea_popescu: mike_c: how is betting no on everything random? << how isn't it ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 89 @ 0.01673707 = 1.4896 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: mthreat: if things go smoothly we'll have a #bitcoin-assets log search engine in a few hours << o hey!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: hm, can you connect to 0mq socket? << kako doesn't get enough sex so he's socketed all the things.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 70 @ 0.02206642 = 1.5446 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: benkay: but !logsearch "foo" is going to be rad, mthreat, kakobrekla << defo, point of entire exercize.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: who understands this: "ISIL stole $400 million in a raid on Mosul's central bank". what, it was stacked in the corner in bills? << yes.
mircea_popescu: ro central bank has about a billion in shit in its central vault for instance.
mircea_popescu: these are precious metals, bearer bonds, various certs and other valuable paper
mircea_popescu: shitty middleeastern banks prolly keep usd/eur bills too
mircea_popescu: mike_c: somebody who is poor knows which truck has the money. i guess you take that guy out back after he drives the truck where it is going. << you fundamentally misunderstand revolutions.
mircea_popescu: nobody's stealing that shit, forget about it.
mircea_popescu: benkay << i can't believe the guy actually proposed an inability to remember wtf he's doing and why as a sort of intellectual manliness.
mircea_popescu: fuck you, if you don't recall why you're here you're red fucking riding hood here to meet the wolf, not a coder writing code.
mircea_popescu: "i am 12 and what is every option that i have explored ???"
punkman: stack trace is great for perspective
punkman: like maybe we need to tell root cause to fuck off
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: "I'm compiling a new version of libxml, so I can get the Python parser working. I need to do that because LXML, the Python binding, would crash under heavy load when I used the system default version of libxml. I am using LXML because BeautifulSoup doesn't have support for XPath. I need to do XPath transforms against the input because the legacy system we interact with doesn't send well-formed XML. We tried to get the
mircea_popescu: vendor to fix it but they said 6 to 8 weeks for a patch, and our project deadline is sooner than that. I need to interface with the legacy system because even though the DBAs have ported things over to Oracle, they're still sorting things out and it's not reliable enough for me to make any meaningful progress. Fortunately, I've thought this through and abstracted the data subsystem well enough that I can drop-in repla
mircea_popescu: ce Oracle when it's ready, so long as the database sends some decent form of XML. Once I get this data subsystem done, I can finish the business logic, which attaches to the nonfunctional demo you love so much.
mircea_popescu: sounds pretty fine to me.
mircea_popescu: now, if the manager says something stupid now, like "why the fuck are you going for xpath you hipster, just do the transforms by hand" THEN poerhaps you got problems.
mircea_popescu: but odds are he might as well go "fuck this shit, we're dropping that vendor. standby"
mircea_popescu: if he's any good you get the rest of the day off and tomorrow you can start working on a whole new stack
mircea_popescu: http://devilsadvocate.biz/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/inside-out.gif << ThickAsThieves actually that doesn't look bad
mircea_popescu: mike_c: news flash: bitcoind sucks. << now trace to who wrote the sht in question.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: assets search engine? already exists << no, it doesn't, because google is doing a shit job of indexing each log page, which my experts establish is because bad titling shceme, but rather than fixing that (as proposed about two weeks ago, it's in the logs, SEARCH FOR IT :D) and hjoping google fills in the holes (which experts say it never does once they're in, no matter what happens), a complete solution is m
mircea_popescu: uch preferable, esp as it's offered itself.
mircea_popescu: the point to searching the logs is to get binding negatives more than anything else.
mircea_popescu: benkay: you gotta earn those <<< bwahaha look who's up to date on his reading
mircea_popescu: mike_c: have to get retarded cryptic error message cuz it ran out of memory? << it doesn't know it ran out of memory, obviously.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal:holy shit. Tesla was at 30$ last year? << ikr ? inflation!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00079858 = 8.7045 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: who da fuck is firedrops in the bash, http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=18
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: i lulz'd.
mircea_popescu: "We found out that by using a little program that Bitcoin uses, which is actually BitPay, we would have received US dollars," Pietro Frigerio, general manager of the dealership, says in the interview. "It's like if you come into the dealership and you want to buy a Lamborghini using gold bars, we would not accept it. So you'd go out, exchange it, and you'd come back to us. That was how it worked [with the Tesla and the
mircea_popescu: Bitcoins]."
mircea_popescu: awww.
mircea_popescu: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/12/09/tesla-model-s-bitcoin-purchase-false/
assbot: Tesla not bought with Bitcoin currency after all? - Autoblog
mircea_popescu: so i guess this is the end of bitpay's business model. getting redditards that hound fiat busiensses to "take bitcoin" to drive your parasitic business model only goes so far.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: diff is mean-spirited asshole. << aye!
mircea_popescu: mike_c: interesting. jurov, you need more WoT :) << that convo with thenewdeal was an eyepopper to me.
mircea_popescu: not saying he's wrong or anything, just wasn't expecting
mircea_popescu: punkman: tweaked bitbet strategy: 10 BTC for 500x 0.02 bets, net gain 3.92 BTC << course this is after you know all the results. ain't rearview mirror the best artefact, second only to the save game wand.
punkman: no, I the strategy doesn't use information it wouldn't have
mircea_popescu: moiety: how can you be wrong wanting to earn your money XD << he was talking to the "picking bets" line
mircea_popescu: punkman I, The Strategy ?
punkman: :P
mircea_popescu: what do you mean, "doesn't use information it wouldn't have" ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 398 @ 0.06999986 = 27.8599 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: like looking at final odds but betting at 90k weight
mircea_popescu: *: kakobrekla will burn your money for free. << looking at mpif on btcalpha this stands to scrutiny :D
punkman: but yeah of course I don't expect it to hold true for future bets
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: so you're not looking at some classes of later info
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 201 @ 0.07 = 14.07 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: although bitbet rules I think favor the No strategy, the no double negatives thing
mircea_popescu: mike_c: but even that was better tested. hypothesis was formed before the analysis, not as a result of the analysis. << not to mention independently tested etc. more's ther point, mpif wants unalligned risks, which is 90% of thy that even makes sense
punkman: the hypothesis for no was not made by backtesting
mircea_popescu: punkman if you go by wordcount nos may be ahead, but if you go by the actual measure of things, ie, total BTC bet on no vs yes, yes prolly prevails
mircea_popescu: cause as mike_c says, diff is a mean spirited asshol
punkman: anyway, I just defenestrated wordpress, maybe I can haz blog nao
mircea_popescu: defenestrated = deleted in windows ?
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. every sink in this place is on a different drip period
punkman: lol
punkman: I'm gonna work on a non-retarded strategy, wanna bankroll punkbot perhaps?
mircea_popescu: not at the onset, but if you do well and hanbot sucks maybe i fire her and hire you instead
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.BBET S.MPOE X.EUR
mircea_popescu: decimation: but even then, "they" are tracking you: http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works << tracking a small flying object is no trivial task.
assbot: How it works - Flightradar24.com - Live flight tracker!
mircea_popescu: kinda why missiles are so useful.
punkman: mircea_popescu: no no I need hanbot as a signal :P
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: decimation: now, why do you suppose those who work in the bezzle economy are showered with special favors while those who work in the "real economy" are treated as serfs? <<< here's the thing : real estate agents are certified, and have to be bondend in many places, and have to follow best practices, and can and are put to the coals ifthey do not.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it monkeys are insulated by law from the ill effects of their bullshit "work"
mircea_popescu: you can't have it both ways.
mircea_popescu: the day three quarters of san francisco loses its homes because of writing bad code, engineers and similarly "skilled" workers can has special irs treatment.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated mthreat
gribble: You rated user mthreat on Fri Jun 6 20:38:37 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: had coffee.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mthreat 2 Awesome search ; coffee
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mthreat has changed from 1 to 2.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> http://devilsadvocate.biz/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/inside-out.gif << ThickAsThieves actually that doesn't look bad /// the awkward part is i still have the art, it's in a custom acrylic frame i made with some nuts and bolts. It's this huge 4-foot ugly face me, collecting dust, facing the wall in my garage.
mircea_popescu: notrly that ugly.
mircea_popescu: moar like manly
mircea_popescu: as the romanian expression goes, "men need to be a shade prettier than the devil gurning."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00079875 = 16.2546 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: TIL gurning
mircea_popescu: let it not be said -assets is uneducational.
ThickAsThieves: it's just a funny thing about self-portraits, they hang in no one's home
ThickAsThieves: probly a metaphor in there...
mircea_popescu: frida's are a fine exception
ThickAsThieves: confucius say, a self-portrait hangs in no one's home, unless it has a unibrow
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: she also had a slight moustache
ThickAsThieves: indeed
ThickAsThieves: whoa MPOE broke 80
ThickAsThieves: such milk
mircea_popescu: i thought it was over 80 for a whil
mircea_popescu: e
mircea_popescu: o you mean the other way
ThickAsThieves: yep
ThickAsThieves: lacks drama obv
ThickAsThieves: time to stir the pot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00080022 = 11.2831 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: icwutudidthar
mircea_popescu: !up mckmuze
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00080082 = 2.963 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306980 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1467 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15633250005.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.12373
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/19/5824336/google-s-quantum-computer-just-flunked-its-first-big-test
assbot: Googles quantum computer just flunked its first big test | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: no quantum for you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8532 @ 0.00080082 = 6.8326 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00079902 = 11.8654 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00079902 = 5.3534 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.06800545 = 3.7403 BTC [-] {8}
ThickAsThieves: Supreme Court rules software patents that cover 'abstract ideas' are invalid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00080045 = 6.7238 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Alice attempted to prove that its patents were more than just an idea by pointing to the specific software steps that it had to carry out. But the court found that these steps weren't ultimately much more than "stating an abstract idea while adding the words 'apply it with a computer.'"
mircea_popescu: myeah.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 98 @ 0.01650002 = 1.617 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: Every bitcoin bubble peak has occurred during a new moon, the next new moon is on the June 27th, the SR USMS coin auction is on the 27th, the auction resolves the June 30th, professor bitcorn predicted Bitcoin would be $10 by mid-year.
ThickAsThieves: expect weather!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12068 @ 0.00080194 = 9.6778 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: Hail? Lightning? Tornadoes? Volcanic ash storm? I like those things.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/supplemental-visual-aids-as-well-as-images-pictures-photographs-and-instagrams-y-con-queso/
Namworld: I like my sky ablaze: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/15/article-2539941-1AAF51B500000578-416_964x612.jpg
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is "professor bitcoin"
punkman: *bitcorn
Namworld: By the name the individual selected, I would assume a pretentious moron?
punkman: ;;google professor bitcorn
gribble: Professor Bitcorn Countdown to $10: <http://www.professorbitcorn.com/>; Professor Bitcorn : Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1whr4i/professor_bitcorn/>; Professor Bitcorn strikes...again : Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/221vse/professor_bitcorn_strikesagain/>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00080361 = 11.4113 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4876 @ 0.00080361 = 3.9184 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00080285 = 3.5325 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00080236 = 7.7829 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.0007991 = 7.951 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: I received a package sent to my address but addressed to a Mr. Art I. Fexd
artifexd: My first thought was Fexd is a fucked up last name for my neighbor. I thought that because my neighbor's name is Art.
artifexd: Then... seconds later... OH! LOL!
ThickAsThieves: hehe
artifexd: And thus I report that nubbins` has indeed delivered on the #b-a shirt.
artifexd: ;;rate nubbins` 1 Does, in fact, print t-shirts. And damn nice quality at that.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00079897 = 7.5902 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06968 = 0.5574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16399 @ 0.00080124 = 13.1395 BTC [+]
mthreat: <+xmj> any SCUBA divers around? << yep, i do the SCUBA
nubbins`: artifexd :D
nubbins`: my wife, upon seeing the package i was mailing: "that's a fucked up last name"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06968 = 0.6968 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06968 = 0.9755 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30660 @ 0.00080128 = 24.5672 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: rude
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00079895 = 18.8153 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00080364 = 32.4671 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: happy caturday all
punkman: hey moiety
punkman: there's a cat with 4 kittens hiding in my yard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3826 @ 0.00079823 = 3.054 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: aww punkman! i think you should bring them inside.....
moiety: are you near asciilifeform, punkman? he needs a kitten, he just hasn't fully realised it yet ☟︎
xmj: mthreat: do you know if PADI Open Water Diver is any good?
mthreat: xmj: that's the one I did.. what do you mean - versus NAUI or what?
xmj: yep
xmj: I'll go with PADI by lack of knowledge and other options, are there any differences?
xmj: Estonia isn't -as- known for SCUBA diving yet :)
mthreat: ya.. I think either one is fine, but I've had no problem with PADI
mthreat: i'm not sure about differences, since I haven't done a NAUI class
xmj: cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00080395 = 1.0451 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: i did an introductory PADI course
nubbins`: fun stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06986999 = 0.6987 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8645 @ 0.00079952 = 6.9119 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5724 @ 0.00079952 = 4.5765 BTC [-]
decimation: mircea_popescu: "the day three quarters of san francisco loses its homes because of writing bad code, engineers and similarly "skilled" workers can has special irs treatment." << that's a really good point. bring back the Hammurabic code for engineers, programmers, bankers, etc.
decimation: although, I don't recall a lawsuit against realtors who "sold" homes to people who couldn't afford them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11017 @ 0.00080257 = 8.8419 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up Pucilowski
decimation: apparently Russia was listening to our conversation about native electronics the other day: http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/736804
assbot: ITAR-TASS: Economy - Russia wants to replace US computer chips with local processors
mircea_popescu: lol wants. question is, can it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 850 @ 0.00080471 = 0.684 BTC [+]
decimation: apparently there is "progress" in the winklevoss etf http://www.nasdaq.com/article/bitcoin-etf-inching-closer-to-reality-cm358963
assbot: Bitcoin ETF Inching Closer To Reality - NASDAQ.com
decimation: I'm not sure if the sec filing has been linked here http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1579346/000119312514190365/d721187ds1a.htm
mircea_popescu: btw, did the derpage foundation have any comment as to ubuntu dropping bitcoin from 14.04?
mircea_popescu: or is that not the sort of thing they do.
decimation: " Using an exponential moving average and volume weighting of transaction data, Winkdex is derived from the transaction prices on electronic market places where exchange participants may first use fiat currency to trade, buy and sell bitcoins based on bid-ask trading (?Bitcoin Exchange?). "
mthreat: Behold, http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/
assbot: #bitcoin-assets search
mircea_popescu: mthreat lettuce see.
mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=urmom
assbot: urmom
decimation: that's really fast
mircea_popescu: mthreat you telling me under pain of per-jury that there's a page and a half of instances ands that's all ?
mircea_popescu: also how are they sorted ?
decimation: yeah, 'sort by date' would be useful
mthreat: right now they are ranked by TF*IDF (text relevance, based on term matches)
mthreat: like google, without the pagerank
mircea_popescu: add history as an optional i say
mthreat: ok, sort by date is easy
mircea_popescu: often we remember one exact word, and a timerange
mthreat: history?
decimation: well, even in this state it's 100x better than google
punkman: mthreat, nice, what's it using behind the scenes?
mthreat: searchify.com hosted search
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/wwAvQZy9 << tha's my list
assbot: Sep 11 21:36:04 <mircea_popescu>no fambly just urmom. Sep 11 23:49:19 <mircea_ - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: does it match ?
mircea_popescu: mthreat history, as in, list them by reverse-date
mircea_popescu: decimation agreed.
mthreat: well "urmomtc" won't match urmom (the stemmer isn't THAT smart)
mthreat: but urmom* will match
mircea_popescu: * matches alphanum only?
mircea_popescu: or all nonspace ?
mthreat: foo* is a prefix search, matches any word beginning with "foo"
mircea_popescu: word in unix sense of the term ?
mircea_popescu: (is mircea_popescu a word or innit)
mthreat: I think mircea_popescu gets tokenized into "mircea" "popescu"
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=urmom&gazelle
assbot: urmom
mircea_popescu: that didn't actually work as expected. how'd i make it return lines with both words ?
mircea_popescu: woot AND
mthreat: urmom gazelle
mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=urmom+AND+gazelle
assbot: urmom AND gazelle
mthreat: just enter both words
mthreat: AND is default
mthreat: OR is possible: urmom OR ordad
mircea_popescu: Matches for urmom OR gazelle, 29 total results http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=urmom+OR+gazelle kinmda funny
assbot: urmom OR gazelle
mircea_popescu: this thing is blazing fast, i am impresst!
mthreat: the magic of inverted indexes
mircea_popescu: your name shall live forever in the pantheon of really evil mean spirited rich people
moiety: mobile broadband truly sucks
mircea_popescu: wb
moiety: thank you :]
moiety: on two counts actually because if not for you, i wouldn't be getting normal broadband :D
mircea_popescu: uh ?!
nubbins`: aw, bless
moiety: i wouldn't have had funds for it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.75339676 BTC to 9`388 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
mthreat: argentina vs. iran game just started
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: if iran kicks them out...
mircea_popescu: prolly the start of argentina's nuclear arms programme
moiety wonders if the street arse-shaking parades will continue after the world cup
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 11.09076650 BTC to 29`438 shares, 37675 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: there's no parades atm ?
moiety: o i thought there were, maybe everyones inside watching
mircea_popescu: kinda ya
mircea_popescu: besides, they count this rather mild 10ish degrees weather as vERY COLd
nubbins`: i have a relative who lives in brazil, he said one time it plunged to 9C overnight and homeless people died from exposure :0
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: and meanwhile you wereall "dude i WISH it were 9, i'd take the girls out to the nude beach"
nubbins`: there's a very narrow range of acceptable temperatures here
mircea_popescu: new foundland and labrador nude beach : "the only fur here is on your dog"
nubbins`: 18-22 is "nice"
nubbins`: above or below is too hot/cold
nubbins`: although that's generally more of an indication of our tendency to complain than anything else
mircea_popescu: kinda how it is everywhere neh ?
mthreat: in the bahamas once, the local girl was shivering when it was 21 degrees C
nubbins`: too bad canada doesn't have an island in the caribbean
nubbins`: i feel so left out
mircea_popescu: !up Cosmos
Cosmos: thanks ;p
mircea_popescu: what, canada is a colonial power now ?!
Cosmos: is bitbet here?
mircea_popescu: Cosmos hey there. and who might you be ?
mircea_popescu: yes, bitbet is here, if you want to say nice things about it.
mircea_popescu: if not, kakobrekla's not up yet.
Cosmos: I am Carl Sagan, resurrected last week, very fresh ;))
mircea_popescu: name sounds familiar...
Cosmos: so are you a co-owner or employee of bitbet
Cosmos: cuz I was looking to msg one of them
Cosmos: I might just have to email 'em lol
mircea_popescu: im a co owner.
Cosmos: that's interesting
Cosmos: https://www.bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=657583
assbot: ~A Landscape of Crypto~
Cosmos: yea! xD
Cosmos: such services, very vast
Cosmos: I can also still send the email at info@bb...us if you want
mircea_popescu: so you're looking for info on bitbet for your tardstalk post or what was it ?
nubbins`: strange
Cosmos: lol
Cosmos: no, i'm looking for tips
Cosmos: from having assembled & tested the info, written review, & freely advertised the sites
Cosmos: I've gotten some from 2 sites so far
mircea_popescu: well, ok, here's a tip : you've found the place where bitcoin actually happens. if you spend your next year reading the logs (they're in the topic) you'll be better off than if you spend your year doing anything else.
mircea_popescu: also, since you seem linguistically inclined, fluffypony was hiring someone to do summarization of same logs.
mircea_popescu: it may be he has a further job for an eager but diligent young man
Cosmos: you have my ears
Cosmos: and by tip I meant mostly actual BTC sent to me, but you figured that out ;))
mircea_popescu: how old are you btw ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48300 @ 0.00080149 = 38.712 BTC [-] {3}
Cosmos: 79
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: looking for tips :0
Cosmos: I was born as Carl E. Sagan in Nov 9, 1934
mircea_popescu: btw, speaking of the derp foundation : did it yet get around to pointing out that people who had stopped updating bitcoin pre 8.0 were invulnerable to heartbleed, whereas people who hadn't stopped updating lost all their key material in the interval ?
mircea_popescu: preferably in the terms of, "anyone who didn't obey mp blindly on the score got raped, sorry, insert quarter to play again" ?
Cosmos: @ nubbins yea man, I've done free work, if site owners like it, they can donate/reward for it, pretty straightforward ;))))
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.0687 = 2.1984 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 307042 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1405 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16070092412.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.36859
mircea_popescu: 16mn o.O
Cosmos: ohhh gribble
mircea_popescu: bitch just won't let go.
Cosmos: I heard he was a god
BingoBoingo: Fucking hashpower
BingoBoingo: ;;ident Cosmos
gribble: Nick 'Cosmos', with hostmask 'Cosmos!6b81228a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.129.34.138', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw we absoleetly need mthreat's thing piped in assbot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0687 = 1.9923 BTC [-]
nubbins`: gribs is making a grab for the SR coins
nubbins`: so he can live forever
mircea_popescu: i dun see him dieing tbh.
BingoBoingo: ;;google carl sagan public key
gribble: Carl Sagan: 'Science Is a Way of Thinking' - Science Friday: <http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/12/27/2013/carl-sagan-science-is-a-way-of-thinking.html>; Carl Sagan Collection - CSI: <http://www.csicop.org/specialcollections/show/carl_sagan_collection>; Carl Sagan and the Cosmos Legacy | National Geographic Channel: <http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/cosmos-a (1 more message)
Apocalyptic: Cosmos, what work have you exactly done, excluding the mere fact of putting variably relevant links to bitcoin-related services together in a huge list ?
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: that's about the sum of it
mircea_popescu: he's new, give him a break.
nubbins`: he also formatted some of the links by length
Cosmos: also
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00080023 = 10.1229 BTC [-] {2}
Cosmos: I made reviews
BingoBoingo: Cosmos: I've had great results with the Bitbet referral links, you can ask jurov for more info
mircea_popescu: Cosmos you understand the basic idea that the value of a review strictly rests with the known facts of the reviewer,
mircea_popescu: for which reason reviews by anon entities are not worth reading ?
Cosmos: if you scroll down, you see them, for mining share trading sites, for bet sites, and passive investing/ponzi
mircea_popescu: people read taki's column for him being taki and so on.
Cosmos: Hmmm
Cosmos: anyway the ppl who put websites in their sig's in forums..get paid by said websites....... for the free publicity/exposure......
Cosmos: those people are almost all anon...
Cosmos: and w/ relatively low / obscure unknown rep, too
mircea_popescu: sure. my girl paid people once in the same way.
Cosmos: excluding the 'personalities' and hero members etc
nubbins`: "paid" is almost not the right word
Cosmos: that's why I called it 'tipping'
nubbins`: someone tosses you a couple of pennies, you don't call it a paycheque
Cosmos: just as a token of appreciation
BingoBoingo: I think you misunderstand the root of tipping.
BingoBoingo: The word tip cleanly refers to a bribe of sorts... To Insure Prompt service.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: you mean tipping isn't when you give someone money because you pity them for wasting everyone's time?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well, tipping is a present you give somone you pity to save you from inconvenience
Cosmos: LOL
Cosmos: well I'll take your 'looking-down-on' & accept it gladly in my wallet address
BingoBoingo: It's why you tip the porter and the concierge
Cosmos: Cuz then
Cosmos: I'll send it to MintPal
Cosmos: buy XC at 120
BingoBoingo: Cosmos: Seriously get of the forums and start a blog
Cosmos: and sell it right back at 125
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 50k@240 16k@235 2k@222 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160
Cosmos: rinse/repeat to gribble-legendary levels of wealth
mircea_popescu: ;;google "BTC doesn't care about the SEC. MPEx rules!"
gribble: The reasons why Bitcoin securities can't be regulated by the SEC ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=116835.20>; SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered ...: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/277hny/sec_charges_bitcoin_entrepreneur_with_offering/>; The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the- (1 more message)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 83 @ 0.0687 = 5.7021 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: incredible how much gribble sux.
nubbins`: ;;echo not as bad as $randnick
gribble: not as bad as Mats_cd03
Cosmos: Yea of course I thought of that, but the problem w/ blogs is, they are steeped in this culture/reputation of self-importance & personal author's life drama sht
mircea_popescu: anyway, something like https://bitcointa.lk/threads/lets-have-a-little-fun-then-shall-we.69076/ did you mean, cosmos ?
assbot: Let's have a little fun then, shall we. | Bitcointa.lk
nubbins`: heh.
BingoBoingo: Cosmos: "No social features except for official FreeNode IRC Chat." << Bitbet totally has comments
mircea_popescu: !up Cosmos
BingoBoingo: !up Cosmos
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> The word tip cleanly refers to a bribe of sorts... To Insure Prompt service. << nah, i disagree.
mircea_popescu: tips are actually constructive.
BingoBoingo: Bribes are constructive too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00080259 = 9.8317 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Useful
nubbins`: bribes are destructive
Cosmos: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/lets-have-a-little-fun-then-shall-we.69076/ = yep, i just might
assbot: Let's have a little fun then, shall we. | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: not really. bribes are the final example of the disaster of commons
mircea_popescu: the prototype of the bribe is the cut the fence gives to the thief.
Cosmos: ok its a donation, not a bribe
Cosmos: you donate because I will change the world for good
mircea_popescu: whereas tips fall squarely in the charity thing
nubbins`: you tip someone, you'll get above-average service. you bribe someone, you'll get standard rather than sub-par
Cosmos: I do not think I personally deserve much (ego) therefore I am near-incorruptible
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> ;;echo not as bad as $randnick << shit i meant google not gribble.
nubbins`: :D
nubbins`: was gonna say
Cosmos: Given power, I will try my best to give as many deserving people as possible, better opportunities for improving their lives
mircea_popescu: Cosmos do you spend a lot of time on reddit?
nubbins`: GIVEN POWER
Cosmos: Not yet lol
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ya srsly.
Cosmos: See, weak people are afraid of power
nubbins`: create-your-own-protip
Cosmos: Because they know too well, it would corrupt them even more, very quickly
mircea_popescu: power is taken, not given, little grashopper. and your humble nonsense makes you both the most dangerous and the least likely to succeed character.
nubbins`: ^
Cosmos: The strong don't fear power, those with true integrity, like Buddha, and Gandhi
nubbins`: i think we have an Achiever
mircea_popescu: the two have nothing in common except for western ignorance.
mircea_popescu: also, your culture is lacking. do you know ghandi used to sleep with his underage niece ?
Cosmos: ahh you use 'Western'! my gf wants to slap me everytime i use that word, she identifies with it too much
Cosmos: That's fine
Cosmos: As long as she was mature for her age & was consenting
mircea_popescu: drove people up the wall at the time.
mircea_popescu: she was not, either.
mircea_popescu: and they were naked.
Cosmos: Oh really
mircea_popescu: yes really.
Cosmos: I thought they'd be dressed
mircea_popescu: ghandi didn't like to do laundry
mircea_popescu: so he mostly didn't dress.
nubbins`: who does?!
Cosmos: Btw almost everytime I talk, I'm half-trolling, but I always mean well
nubbins`: see, that'd be a good cover story for dov charney, if it weren't for the fact that he was strolling around a clothing factory naked ;(
Cosmos: I'm antimalicious, & brilliant, & responsible, that's why donating to me is so constructive
mircea_popescu: yes i get it, you were kidding after the fact, like that xfg or w/e his name was.
mircea_popescu: the avatars of youth.
nubbins`: if you're so brilliant, why are you spending your time writing website summaries and bumming for spare change?
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 222 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
Cosmos: I'm acutely aware of how appearing as a newbie & suddenly talking big about myself & donations & work etc makes me look at first glance, which is why I'm playing it up w/ it massively, for mutual entertainment
nubbins` facepalms
mircea_popescu: oic.
mircea_popescu: this is like Game taken meta.
nubbins`: mmhmm
nubbins`: did anyone win the chess tourney after?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` shut up and drool out of your hole biatch :D
nubbins`: too cool to drool
mircea_popescu: omfg
mircea_popescu: that line is just too good. consider it stoled.
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BingoBoingo: !b 4 ✂︎
nubbins`: mp's first tattoo
mircea_popescu: no, but ima lay it on all the frigid uruguayan chix
Cosmos: It's the psychology of 'return the favor' - when wanting something, ask/suggest being given a minute fraction of it, to make the other party comfortable about your humility and more likely to actually give the whole amount you ulteriorly desired in the first place
nubbins`: i don't think it rhymes in spanish ;(
mircea_popescu: it's... "cold" here, you see.
nubbins`: fun fact, peruvians call their tongue "castellano" as well
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so lettem learn english
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Fell apart. If attempted would require something roughly resembling a schedule
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah apparently it's all of the west of south america + central
mircea_popescu: Cosmos does it work ?
Cosmos: is there any cryptorelated IRC channel
Cosmos: w/ more activity & wit than this here
Cosmos: I have been -looking- for this for a while
mircea_popescu: prolly not with more activity, but you could go ask in bitcoin-dev
nubbins`: heh
Cosmos: #bitcoin itself is ghost town, hundreds too scared to talk/troll
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what, im taking the mutual entertainment bit seriously.
Cosmos: it does work, mircea
Cosmos: I've had 2 ppl send me more than I suggested
nubbins`: no kidding :D
Cosmos: b/c I had been so humble
nubbins`: dude, you'll never believe what happened yesterday
nubbins`: i asked some guy for five bucks and he sucked my cock instead
mircea_popescu: Cosmos do they have confirmation bias where you go to school ?
moiety: the crypto ones are usually pretty dead and you won't find more wit than here
Cosmos: lol you think I'm under 21
Cosmos: the school implication
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i asked some chick for milanesa con queso and she fucked me instead.
nubbins`: we easily forget that 25 is the new 15
mircea_popescu: and all i wanted was a damned cheese steak
mircea_popescu: but she liked my humble manner
mthreat: damn you passed on the milanesa
mircea_popescu: mthreat nah, i buy them at the butcher's.
nubbins`: coño con queso
Cosmos: good thing @ 1986 i'm quite beyond both, actually sad thing in fact, years never return ;p
mthreat: ew
nubbins`: :D
mircea_popescu: mthreat it could be danish...
mircea_popescu: give it a wild, tangy aftertaste
nubbins`: Cosmos: so you're 28 years old and writing website summaries for tips? :(
mthreat: sin gas, por favor
nubbins`: jesus
Cosmos: help me then
nubbins`: agua con gaz is fuckin gross
moiety: it's all about presentation ;P
mircea_popescu: cono sin gas y queso
mircea_popescu: Cosmos you ever saw "a man for all seasons" ?
Cosmos: and no, I'm a trader
Cosmos: @mircea no
nubbins`: my sides
BingoBoingo: Cosmos: Are you familiar with Altcoin?
Cosmos: The forum crap I just did for like
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 442680.02 in 281 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.12
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know the quote i had in mind ?
Cosmos: to see how much fame i'd get
nubbins`: FOR LIKE A COOL JOKE LELEL
nubbins`: mp haven't seen it :(
Cosmos: i only got 220 total views in 2 threads
Cosmos: so its been barely helpful to anyone
nubbins`: Cosmos, you sound really lame :(
Cosmos: oh well
nubbins`: sorry for your loss
Cosmos: gotta video it up on youtube if you rly want views
Cosmos: now THAT would take my time
nubbins`: maybe it's not how much time you spend
Cosmos: ..away from profitable daytrading
ThickAsThieves: nubbins` do you have any comments on Titan Bitcoin?
nubbins`: tat, sorry, got your message. gold ones look cool but i don't really keep up with them
ThickAsThieves: word, i'ma do a review
nubbins`: i know michail1 and maybe Blazedout419 are into them
Cosmos: @boingo Let me answer your query with this :
Cosmos: ~ E N C Y C L O P E D I C A L T C O I N S D A T A B A S E ~ * = Virtual CryptoCurrencies marked w/ "*" symbol are not currently listed on Cryptsy/MintPal's BTC-/LTC-Denominated Markets at the moment, & are thus pending larger-scale community adoption. ꜝ = This symbol denotes that the name or acronym entered for the CryptoCurrency in question is merely a personally-preferred colloquial term, and not the actual ter
Cosmos: lol text max reached
Cosmos: let's try this part
Cosmos: +[BET] BetaCoin T0 +[ANC] AnonCoin T4 +[BUK] CryptoBuck T2 +[CAP] BottleCap T1 +[CRC] CraftCoin T1 +[CLR] CopperLark T1 +[CGB] Cryptogenicꜝ T3 +[CMC] CosmoCoinꜝ T1 +[COMM] CommunityCoin T° +[UNB] UnbreakableCoin T1 +[LGD] LegendaryCoin T1 +[NAUT] NautilusCoin T2 +[EMC2] Einsteinium T° +[FLT] FlutterCoin T0 +[EXE] EXECoin T1 +[DEM] e-Mark T0 +[FST] FastCoin T0 +[EZC] EZCoin T0 +[IXC] IXCoin T2 +[NBL] Nibble T1 +[WC] Whit
nubbins`: fuck off
Cosmos: lol
Cosmos: sry
mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://pastebin.com/dyVep8eq
assbot: RICH (Voice cracking) You look at me as though I were an enemy! MORE (Pu - Pastebin.com
ThickAsThieves: where am i?
mircea_popescu: and after thatthey go into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBiLT3LASk
assbot: A Man for All Seasons - The Devil Speech - YouTube
nubbins`: hmm, i'm gonna add this to my list
mircea_popescu: not a bad move.
mircea_popescu: Cosmos this is like the 3rd thing you completely missed :)
mircea_popescu: he was asking you about altcoin, not about all that other crap.
Cosmos: the alt called altcoin itself?
Cosmos: yea its in my list
mircea_popescu: yea
Cosmos: lol, its quite meta-sounding
mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://projectplatypus.pbworks.com/w/page/19140696/A%20Man%20for%20All%20Seasons << actually there's script iyc
assbot: projectplatypus / A Man for All Seasons
Cosmos: didnt read about it
Cosmos: anyway, so you're claiming to be MPex CEO heh
Cosmos: I knew I'd seen that name somwhere else b4..
nubbins` finds a comfortable chair
Cosmos: i mean, that you in this IRC, is the actual Mircea, thats super-googleable personality, you know
mircea_popescu: Cosmos im not claiming. im actually authed.
Cosmos: I'm inclined to believe so
mircea_popescu: ;;ident mircea_popescu
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
Cosmos: Nice
Cosmos: Now you just proved you have a nontrivial amount of ego
moiety: You really should be getting yourself authed too
BingoBoingo: Cosmos: The best altcoin is Altcoin (SHA-256 and not the heretic OMGWTFBBQHASH!!!)
Cosmos: That means you couldn't be given tons of power
nubbins`: "just" proved :D
mircea_popescu: nontrivial amt of ego ?
mircea_popescu: bitch please. i made that shit work.
Cosmos: Just teasing ya
mircea_popescu: i am the master of the ego.
mircea_popescu: and yeah, lol, i couldn't be GIVEN tons of power.
mircea_popescu: not anymore anyway.
Cosmos: I have no clue about technical things
BingoBoingo: http://therealaltcoin.org/
assbot: The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.
Cosmos: I'm a finance & philosophy type
mircea_popescu: Cosmos so what did you study then ?
nubbins`: german film
Cosmos: I quit school after failing biology
Cosmos: got into porn w/ nubbins' mom
mircea_popescu: in philosophy ?
Cosmos: & then, started trading
gribble: Error: "then," is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: lol
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mircea_popescu: !b 8 ✂︎
Cosmos: <3
mircea_popescu: or w/e, mod can sort it out, whole convo's a bashfest
nubbins`: winning hearts & minds
Cosmos: Indeed, the 4chan way
mircea_popescu: Cosmos what exactly did you fail in biology ?
nubbins`: isn't it funny how everyone on irc is a "trader" and they all make money
nubbins`: what a coincidence
Cosmos: I had a fundamental passion for biotech, anatomy, biophysics, human enhancement
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im making the losses to cover for all of em
Cosmos: and still do of course
mircea_popescu: it's only fair, as i can afford it.
nubbins`: :D
nubbins`: a true hero
mircea_popescu: Cosmos but specifically, what'd you fail ?
Cosmos: And so, I mistakenly believed that my passion, which was, 'on paper' kinda
Cosmos: would automatically translate, to technical facility
mircea_popescu: like, "and then they asked me to describe the atp cycle and fuck i had no idea"
Cosmos: with lab work, etc
Cosmos: and it wasn't the case at all
Cosmos: I found out, I can't stand all this tedious experimenting & reporting & lab work man
nubbins`: i think he failed at applying to post-secondary
mircea_popescu: so you're intellectually lazy and prefer to dream shit up rather than do anything.
Cosmos: I'm supposed to be the boss
Cosmos: leading the scientist team
Cosmos: so I went into trading
mircea_popescu: that's the only reasonable path.
nubbins`: SO I WENT INTO TRADING
Cosmos: to be able, like Elon Musk the Great, to fund all these things
mircea_popescu: right.
moiety: so, you found your passion tedious?
nubbins`: moiety :D
Cosmos: yea nubbins, I've lost 13k in last 8 years learning the hard way, how to trade
mircea_popescu: maybe learning isn't the right word.
punkman: who has time for passion anyway, gotta watch tv
Apocalyptic: no, he just found out shit actually requires work
asciilifeform apprenticed to biologist in school. decided he doesn't like doing identical experiment 1,000 times.
mircea_popescu: moiety should i ask you how oft were you the unwitting girlfriend of such greatness or better hold my peace ?
nubbins` did three years of comp eng. decided he didn't like oscilloscopes :(
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're lucky you weren't into art.
Cosmos: rofl
Cosmos: tv
Cosmos: now you rly talk of the epitome of intellectual laze
moiety: sorry, i don't follow mircea_popescu
nubbins`: heard someone pronounce it "eppa-tome" recently
asciilifeform: ;;google datskovskiy telomerase
gribble: Induction of Telomerase Activity During Development of Human ...: <http://www.jimmunol.org/content/166/11/6647.full>
Cosmos: tv represents the Western garbage, the consumerism, the ads, the complacency, the mainstream conformism
asciilifeform: ^ i'm but a footnote.
mircea_popescu: moiety guy "falls in love", tells girl, she believes him, two years later he grows tired of the tediousness of it.
mircea_popescu: heartbreak results, in the lucky circumstances where the girl didn't go invest 9 months into the theory.
Cosmos: tv is the champion of average, excused mediocrity, the scourge of original thought & achievement
mircea_popescu: Cosmos is this a flatfile somehwere you're quoting ?
Cosmos: no thats the most awesome thing
Cosmos: I have a billion 'flatfile' notes as you say, recorded in HDD, but this I just pulled out of my brain
punkman: amazing markov
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: so you've slowly become one ?!
Cosmos: surprise myself sometimes (remember I am humble)
mircea_popescu: punkman did you write this and are nao trolling me ?
punkman: shhh don't ruin it
Cosmos: I find it amazing now that I think about it
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Cosmos: that a CEO
Cosmos: w/ many projects & tons of wealth
mircea_popescu: i live in fear of this, btw, one of these days one of you assholes is going to script the noob and then i'll have to close down the whole operation ;/
Cosmos: + a well-known cryptoblog
Cosmos: is here in IRC
Cosmos: gracing us w/ his wisdom
mircea_popescu: Cosmos innit.
nubbins`: leave it
mircea_popescu: lol assbot
nubbins`: ;;echo tyvm assbot
gribble: tyvm assbot
BingoBoingo: !up assbot
BingoBoingo: !up Cosmos
mircea_popescu: well it was fun while it lasted.
mircea_popescu: ;;echo !up bingoboingo
gribble: !up bingoboingo
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BingoBoingo: !b 658 ✂︎
moiety: ahh, never apparently. At the end, I was told there wasn't the initial "falling in love"... i was a convenient wallet/housekeeper/etc mircea_popescu
Cosmos: [13:14] <+Cosmos> [..] ..is here in IRC, [..] gracing us w/ his wisdom, ..his $1k/hr time..
mircea_popescu: i've never loved baba gnoush as much as i do here. i'm up for it brakfast lunch and dinner, it's crazy. these folkjs eat nothing but meat.
moiety awaits the deserved "mug" forehead tattoo
mircea_popescu: moiety i think they just do phone number footsole tattoos now
mircea_popescu: so interested bystanders can just get the number
Cosmos: So I should like, make an acct on btc-assets to be perma-voiced here or just seduce mircea or what
mircea_popescu: you should seduce nubbins`
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BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
Cosmos: that's a mathematical impossibility, i'm afraid
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wagkBedzwI8
assbot: Hopes deleted. - YouTube
Cosmos: even gribb hates me it appears
BingoBoingo: ;;echo !down Cosmos
gribble: !down Cosmos
Cosmos: does that work
BingoBoingo: So... It's looking like Argentina might start that nuclear program
BingoBoingo: !down Cosmos
BingoBoingo: !up Cosmos yes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they lost ?!
moiety: Cosmos: indeed it does. http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets heres a step by step.
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
Cosmos: asked cuz it didnt the first time
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still tied 60 minutes in
BingoBoingo: !down Cosmos
mircea_popescu: ok so this just in
mircea_popescu: corrientes, which is a major avenue, is COVERED in swat vans, fire trucks, miles of it from the center.
mircea_popescu: nobody is there.
mircea_popescu: nobody is in the shops, just the tvs going
mircea_popescu: i think these are countermeasures in case they lose ?
nubbins`: hahah
nubbins`: welcome to s.a.
BingoBoingo: Probably
BingoBoingo: !up Cosmos
moiety: cosmos, you may note the difference in commands.. the first included an echo
Cosmos: Maybe I won't register after all, my great hopes for this chan getting non-negligibly crushed the minute I saw traditional sports talk
mircea_popescu: people that follow sports can't be given a ton of power either ?
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:thedrinkingrecord.com baseball
gribble: Baseball | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/category/baseball/>; An Overview of Betable Sports Part 1: Baseball | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/12/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-1-baseball/>; Real Baseball and "Sportsmanship" | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/18/real-baseball-and-sportsmanship/>
moiety: excuse us while we don't weep for the loss of your great hopes
Cosmos: ppl will see the 'echo' note, and immediate echo by gribble or whoever, so... the troll from it won't work..? dunno what other reason they'd echo for lol
mircea_popescu: lol rawr
moiety hasn't even linked a manul yet
BingoBoingo: ;;echo ;;google WTF?
gribble: ;;google WTF?
BingoBoingo: OMG Gribble can't command itself!
Cosmos: I wonder if mod6 is omega6 (i know him(
BingoBoingo: ;;8ball
gribble: No chance.
Cosmos: anyway, pleased to have met you guys
Cosmos: I know it's not reciprocal
Cosmos: with good reason hee hee
moiety: ;;google define echo
gribble: Echo | Define Echo at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/echo>; Echo - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/echo>; Echo - definition of Echo by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Echo>
mircea_popescu: echo is the girl that loved narcis
Cosmos: but why would bingo use the command if it doesnt do anything other than make gribble speak
moiety: Cosmos: like i said, it's all about presentation
Cosmos: it won't fool anyone lol
mircea_popescu: like all the big cats, bb likes to play
BingoBoingo: Cosmos: Who said I do things for reasons
Cosmos: makes sense
Cosmos: is this community altcoin haters or lovers
Cosmos: like, there's this huge, funny rivalry
BingoBoingo: Altcoin lovers, altcoin haters
Cosmos: 2 widely-chasm'd camps, hating each other
Cosmos: it's heresy to talk of BTC in cryptocointalk, for instance. heresy to spend more than a couple words about alts, (they're all 'shtcoins') in bitcointalk, for instance
moiety: does any original like it's rip-offs?
xmj: benkay: around?
BingoBoingo: Argentin and Iran still tied.
Cosmos: yea they're just rip-offs cept for those that don't use btc tech at all..but, some still have good, relevant, unique applications, and quite a few have presented astronomical % gain opportunities, just cashout to BTC b4 the dump and keep multiplying it.......
mircea_popescu: <Cosmos> [13:14] <+Cosmos> [..] ..is here in IRC, [..] gracing us w/ his wisdom, ..his $1k/hr time.. << some people are modest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'haxxing' article - if you want something other than lamers for the butterfly collection, cut apart those dead mobos & disks, rather than read server logs
mircea_popescu: i don't have a shop here
mircea_popescu: but they're in cold storage.
moiety: and yet still would not exist had there been no preceeding bitcoin Cosmos
mircea_popescu: maybe im the one that least hates alts
Cosmos: @mircea No, that was after bingo muted me randomly, so I copied the stuff I'd pasted afterwards, that didnt appear here, this whole statement of mine was in reference to YOU mircea not me obviously lol
asciilifeform doesn't hate alts but it bored of folks who s/bitcoin/foocoin
asciilifeform: *is
BingoBoingo: !down Cosmos
mircea_popescu: Cosmos i am aware.
BingoBoingo: !up Cosmos
Cosmos: lol this guy, like clockwork
Cosmos: hm, sry for ruining your joke lol mircea
Cosmos: your irony*
BingoBoingo: How long is one of these football games anyway?
Cosmos: im an IRC newb, it's /msg person's name to PM ppl right..?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 90 mins, then they start shooting straight at the goalposts
BingoBoingo: Well it is still tied at 77 minutes in
mircea_popescu: actually nm that. i think ties are allowed in this game.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, there have been so many ties
moiety: i need to run out for prarcetamol, back in 5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.0687 = 6.87 BTC [+]
moiety: or paracetamol, whicever helps with pain
asciilifeform: decimation: russia/native cpu << see earlier 'elbrus.' wake me up when they cough up own os, rather than cribbing.
mircea_popescu: the purring one for you, prrolly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ianal, but it'd seem cribbing is better. rather than writing from scratch and inventing a new mistakes-space, they just take out some mistakes of a well documenterd space
asciilifeform: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00080151 = 17.4729 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: 'take out mistakes' >> ssl
asciilifeform: and some mistakes (the need for a compiler) aren't so easy to take out.
mircea_popescu: this is true.
asciilifeform: see: http://blog.regehr.org/archives/498
assbot: Embedded in Academia : Software Bugs and Scientific Progress
BingoBoingo: %ticker
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I guess you'll get to find out what the swat vans are for soon
mircea_popescu: iran scored ?
BingoBoingo: Isn't a tie as bad as losing?
mircea_popescu: nope
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: Well, still no score
mircea_popescu: their scoring is byzantine, but! i think they getrematches and whatnot
asciilifeform started crackpot career by reading at&t unix as described in 'lions book' and setting out to 'take out mistakes' - then noticed that result is... empty space
mircea_popescu: lol
Cosmos: worst thing is as soon as this Cup fest is over
BingoBoingo: Handegg Season
Cosmos: we'll be beset w/ another mainstreamer flood, from Jul 4th Independence
mircea_popescu: score.
mircea_popescu: i can tell
mthreat: haha
mthreat: neighbors
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE YOU CAN NO LONGER SPEAK IN MY FUCKING ROOM
mthreat: damn my stream
mthreat: is lagged
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: Yeah
mircea_popescu: get real interwebs mthreat :D
mthreat: in argentina? heh
mircea_popescu: mthreat i have it
mthreat: which provider
mircea_popescu: all of them.
mthreat: all?
mircea_popescu: (not even kidding, i got the top package of everyone, loadbalancing it)
mthreat: fucking A
mircea_popescu: they don't go out atthe same time, either.
assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DHHE46.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 9 ✂︎
mthreat: do you need that much bandwidth, or more for reliability?
Cosmos: do you like CFD's
mircea_popescu: reliability. but bw is a nice throw-in
asciilifeform: re: 'take out mistakes': obligatory: http://pastebin.com/rG1TxJt2
assbot: The Spittoon - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: plus, girls like the half hour movie torrent time
Cosmos: I brought entertainment & then I faded down to a speck of nothing
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ESAJD1.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: !down Cosmos
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0687 = 0.8244 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00079949 = 3.6777 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: /me got distracted by some flowers in need of tlc
moiety: well that worked
moiety: i see the loss of BB was too much for cosmos
mircea_popescu: well maybe he gets through his reading
penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/21/tell-the-grand-inquisitor-theres-no-fucking-bitcoin-taint/
moiety: not sure i share your optimism mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00080173 = 9.8613 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11063 @ 0.00079946 = 8.8444 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 887 @ 0.00079812 = 0.7079 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00079761 = 3.9083 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up grahvity
mthreat: googlebot's already crawling search.ba
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
assbot: Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00079684 = 2.4702 BTC [-]
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/a-story-of-manscarves/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25136 @ 0.00080029 = 20.1161 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2014#725987 (the entire plain words) conundrum, bitcoinpete got me the best in for the best example known to man. http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/21/tell-the-grand-inquisitor-theres-no-fucking-bitcoin-taint/#comment-791 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: Tell The Grand Inquisitor There’s No Fucking Bitcoin Taint. | When Bitcoin Met Pete
mircea_popescu: and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2014#725970 is like cosmos' earlier adventure in detail. ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: epic fucking quote that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00080396 = 11.376 BTC [+]
moiety: "can guess faster than they can learn" lol perfect
moiety: wb
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. power surge during write operation -> destroyed boot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still no civilized power gizmos?
mircea_popescu: apparently mains unfiltered is not good here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im putting a whole array in, what's to do.
punkman: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'punkman', with hostmask 'punkman!~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman', is not identified.
asciilifeform got a dual-converting ups as a gift from phriend not long ago. no more stabilizer 'bzzzzzz'
punkman: hmm?
mircea_popescu: by now i'm drastically past the threshold of doorman telling me apart "you know i've never seen so much computer equipment since i work here"
mircea_popescu: something i had hoped to avoid
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'liebert gxt2.' recommended.
mircea_popescu: aite.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform provider sez discontinued.
asciilifeform: this kind of gizmo works by running rectifier (mains to 48v dc) at all times, connected to cell bank, and on the exit, inverter (48v dc to local mains voltage ac) likewise at all times
mircea_popescu: girl on cam "and this is my bedroom slash office"
mircea_popescu: ahem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'gxt3' is still sold. and of course there's a dozen or so other vendors who sell similar units.
penguirker: New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/titan-physical-bitcoin-review-silver/
mircea_popescu: On and off, I’ve had the urge to acquire physical Bitcoin coins to give to family and invest/collect them for myself. I have never purchased any sort of collectible coin before, nor have I ever purchased precious metals. << weird what btc does to people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you only have surges, never dips, ferroresonant gizmo would also work. but they're loud.
mircea_popescu: why assume.
mircea_popescu: The BitPay prompt for payment seems awkwardly designed to me, particularly in that the text version of the payment address is very tiny. << I heard this in the form of "wow, they're really trying to stop you from copying pasting it huh". no idea wtf they;'d be thinking
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you buy this or similar unit, make sure it eats 220v. these, unlike pc power supply, aren't omnivorous.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00080396 = 5.1051 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: yep, you read it how i felt it
ThickAsThieves: it's not my first time using bitpay either, i think the address used to be bigger
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no i meant i actually heard someone else complain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00080396 = 10.4113 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ah
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/The_new_woman--wash_day.png << genderbendin' in 1910
mircea_popescu: by underwood&underwood
ThickAsThieves: add me to the list then
mircea_popescu: btw mthreat wouldja be interested in filling in the logs for the first missing year, and generate a drop-in blob kakobrekla can put into his log thing too ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0670089 = 0.7371 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00080396 = 8.2004 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: <mircea_popescu> decimation: now, why do you suppose those who work in the bezzle economy are showered with special favors while those who work in the "real economy" are treated as serfs? <<< here's the thing : real estate agents are certified, and have to be bondend in many places, and have to follow best practices, and can and are put to the coals ifthey do not.
benkay: reminds me of a great hustle a neighbor got put through recently
benkay: house immediately downhill from the 'rents went on sale for 900k, reasoning being "well it was built by and inhabited by Dr. Hawthorne of this grand street a few blocks over who also built the insanitarium at the top of said street which is now a seminary"
benkay: the people doing the sale failed to do it on their own at 900k, so this vulture swooped in, started ratcheting the price down and as all the buyers trickled in said something along the lines of "I know that this isn't really what you're looking for, but how about I give you a call sometime next week and I'll show you some houses that might fit your budget and expectations a little bit better".
benkay: two months later, the house has been dragged down from 900k to 700k, and that broker has straight ghosted with all the leads she generated via excellent hustle.
benkay: so while best practices are a thing and brokers do get put to the coals, as with all regulated things only the dumb and most obviously rule-breaky are going to get their feet torched. i can't imagine it being any other way with programmering - the smart ones will shift the blame to the dumb ones, who will take the fall. age old story.
benkay: and what is this "not liable for errors" crap y'all are spouting? i have to fight for that clause in every contract I take on.
benkay: i have no idea what rat fuck of code i'm taking on, and i'm sure as hell not taking responsibility for your untested ball of hair falling over because this private method is getting called by your SUPER IMPORTANT WEEKLY REPORTs.
benkay: <mthreat> Behold, http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/ // linespacing's pretty wide but awesome work
assbot: #bitcoin-assets search
benkay: ;;rate mthreat 1
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
benkay: oh i do do i
benkay: ;;rate mthreat 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mthreat has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00080471 = 10.4612 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay> two months later, the house has been dragged down from 900k to 700k, and that broker has straight ghosted with all the leads she generated via excellent hustle. << dumbass approach imo, but hey
mircea_popescu: but that aside, the openssl recent string of bugs WOULD have been of the coal kind
mircea_popescu: which is exactly how it was argued for software responsibility immunity in the 80s : that ALL software failures are clearly of a coal-abl etype, and so not granting immunity would make software "impossible"
benkay: nah, torch anyone who implemented it in their own codebasen. no crime in releasing shit to the world, only a crime to put that shit in your cliquot
mircea_popescu: rms and co really meant "bad software" but just said "software", and "plain language" being what it is, who's to know the difference.
mircea_popescu: as if bitcoin'd suffer from a complete ban on all the tard venues, or computers from a complete disappearance of bad software
mircea_popescu: benkay methinks you might have to brush up on corp law :)
benkay: indubitably.
mircea_popescu: nobody'd put it in without specific representations and certifications
mircea_popescu: an' warranties an' indemnities
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wish i recall who wrote the example with the locks, in favour of software tort immunity
mircea_popescu: it went something like, "if a lock fails that lock can be replaced, but if software failed ALL a company's products fail at the same time so there's nobody to absorb the costs"
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mircea_popescu: as if this were any kind of argument. as if crops don't fail exactly the same way. etc
benkay: i'm way out of my domain on this, but who gets the spike? devs on openssl and bitcoind > 0.6?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin 9.0, again.
benkay: the people who wrote PHP's rand?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0686 = 0.686 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hearn didn't just fuck the db and get bitcoin forket
mircea_popescu: he also merged heartbleed into the codebase.
mircea_popescu: all in the name of the "needed" pki, which was never needed by us, it was needed by nsa.
benkay: does this go for all open source mistakes?
mircea_popescu: the notion that derps imagining themselves involved and part of and etc still treat hearn as anything but vomit behind a bar is perhaps the best argument against democracy.
mircea_popescu: well there's mistakes and there's "mistakes"
mircea_popescu: little girl taking a drink from suspicious man in overcoat is not making a mistake
mircea_popescu: is simply enacting a death wish.
benkay: but he's not wearing an overcoat, he's got a nice pair of slacks and a collared tee, and everyone except the weirdos in the corner are drinking with him.
mircea_popescu: right. and hearn isn't 12.
mircea_popescu: fancy that, adult world has like two or even three tiers of complexity on top of what you find in coloring books.
benkay: i thought hearn was handing out potions in this example.
mircea_popescu: heh. notrly. he's just a whore.
benkay: hm
mircea_popescu: infectious, of course, but nothing much than a tool of contagion.
benkay: ;;later tell xmj i am now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: re: 48v DC << yeah most higher end servers can be ordered with 48v DC power supplies. works best with a rack-sized 48 v lead-acid battery
decimation: benkay: re: liability << yeah, but I assume you aren't shipping code for anonymous users, I assume you are writing some kind of support contract
decimation: My point about lack of liability has to do with why microsoft hasn't gotten sued for writing crapware that certainly has done demonstrable harm to users
benkay: i always figured that was the insane war chest they have and the mountain of paper under which they'd bury anyone.
benkay: i guess tho that's an artifact of operating in an environment where they're not held liable for their work?
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mircea_popescu: i'd say that more likely.
mircea_popescu: all in the name of "open society of knowledge" and "progress" and generally speaking the mistaken view that exploring the space of opportunities is more valuable than staying in one piece
mircea_popescu: basically, "self-seeking" addicted college kids being given the reins of the country.
mircea_popescu: never trust a baby boom, for the baby boomers are almost always the end of things.
decimation: yes, much ruin was brought by that generation
asciilifeform: von neumann cpu, 'c' ~= chinese backyard steel
asciilifeform: everybody can get behind the impalement of author of 'heartbleed' but problem goes deeper.
decimation: imagine if you could be publicly executed for distributing heartbleed
decimation: everyone from the programmer down to the bios writer
decimation: do you think comptuer archs would change?
mircea_popescu: they would have to
mircea_popescu: for physical lack of who to continue.
asciilifeform: or programmers would be shot every day, like nork army colonels
asciilifeform: and people would sorta get used to it
mircea_popescu: i mean you're basically asking, "suppose you could be killed by trying to fuck scorpions in the tail. do you suppose fucking habits would change ?"
mircea_popescu: dunno dood...
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decimation: this is a pretty simple thought experiment, and the obvious conclusion is that computers (as they are now) are hopelessly insecure
asciilifeform: the 'computer industry' loves the crapfest, though. ('employment!' see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 etc)
assbot: Loper OS » Steam Lisp
asciilifeform: the only folks shafted: the users.
decimation: that kinda already puts us in north korea
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mircea_popescu: well, security was not the first priority. it rarely is, when going over new space.
mircea_popescu: security wasn't high on the list of gold seeking miners, or of cowboys,
mircea_popescu: or of early seafaring explorers
mircea_popescu: magellan died of fucking stupidity.
mircea_popescu: but by now computing is coallescing, and once moore's law finally fucking dies (trompi be praised)
mircea_popescu: we'll finally be in a position to put some fences up and make sense of the damned thing.
decimation: yeah but the difference is that those first 'explorers' were generally unable to dominate the world's market
asciilifeform: security is only one casualty of the crud flood
mircea_popescu: decimation this is a false impression, artefact of your context
mircea_popescu: they dominated the "world market" of their stupidity.
mircea_popescu: what's "go west young man" ?
decimation: right, but it wasn't The West Powered By Intel
mircea_popescu: was exactly the same thing, in its time's typeface.
mircea_popescu: powered by smith&wesson.
decimation: heh. that's a good point
mircea_popescu: what lasting cultural impact for s&w ?
decimation: well, the Winchester old bint built a castle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Mystery_House
assbot: Winchester Mystery House - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: (been there btw. imo not all that it's cracked up to be)
hanbot: mircea_popescu how did you fit through the doorways?!
mircea_popescu: none of the really tiny ones were open ot public
hanbot: i barely managed myself, thing's built for the vertically challenged
decimation: it is true that it seems like computing is coallescing. For instance, ascii's garbage-collector-on-a-chip sounds pretty feasible now, but would have been laughed at 10 years ago
asciilifeform: decimation: it was built in 1979.
decimation: your scheme chip?
asciilifeform: not mine, sussman's
asciilifeform: (i've invented not one of these things)
decimation: right I remember your post about sussman trying to dodge the "why did you give up" question
asciilifeform: ;;google SCHEME-79
gribble: The SCHEME-79 Chip: <http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6334>; SCHEME+79 Chip: <ftp://publications.ai.mit.edu/ai-publications/pdf/AIM-559.pdf>; Loper OS » Shards of Lost Technology, and the Need for High-Level ...: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=46>
decimation: bunnie haung has a post about future 'hierloom' hardware http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=1927
assbot: Why the Best Days of Open Hardware are Yet to Come « bunnie's blog
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asciilifeform: i know quite a few people who use hardware built before or shortly after they were born, for which no 'modern' adequate replacement exists
asciilifeform: the 'heirloom computer' is old, old hat.
decimation: the symbolics stuff is certainly an example
asciilifeform: there are countless other examples. visit a university laboratory.
asciilifeform: $800K mass spectrometer connected to pc at.
decimation: even more modern, agilent lab gear that runs windows xp or 2000
asciilifeform: these will get upgraded. because they're already running on crashy turd, no big change
asciilifeform: the things that never upgrade - run on boxes that have never crashed.
decimation: yeah that's a good point
decimation: I had an old IBM AT once. thing was built like a tank
asciilifeform: recently toured university's music lab. they have a player piano, similar to the well-known mechanical kind, but electronic - pressure sensors, a disk full of recordings of famous pianists playing. disk on ms-dos box. 386.
decimation: the amount of steel that went into producing the cabinet was impressive
asciilifeform: servos controlled by isa card
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: (incidentally, you can get usb fixtures that will talk to an isa card. unsuitable for the piano - no 'hard real time' guarantee on usb!)
decimation: absolutely not
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decimation: I've discovered from my own experience that newere Xeon chips are much more laggy than older single core pentiums
decimation: having 1024 chickens service your hardware isn't an improvement
asciilifeform: worse, unpredictably laggy. elaborate cache pyramid, easy to throw off
decimation: yeah it's like playing plinko with a real-time deadline
mircea_popescu: decimation> the amount of steel that went into producing the cabinet was impressive << i bought new desktop cases here. i could punch a hole threough the things
decimation: even in more modern stuff there is this effect. Look at features that are dying off in cell phones
asciilifeform: much of the supposed speed gains of recent decade were achieved using 'instruction re-ordering'
asciilifeform: which plays havoc with real-time anything. and with any attempt at hand optimization
decimation: http://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3 << catalog of almost all known phones. Put in "keyboard" && "> 1.5 GHz clock" ... you get 4 results
assbot: Phone Finder - search for a phone by feature - GSMArena.com
mircea_popescu: phone keyboards were insanity
decimation: yeah every computer I get has a thinner case
decimation: most of them are plastic now
asciilifeform: you can still get steel if you buy 'rack' enclosures
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benkay: phone keyboards are still infinitely better than touchscreens.
decimation: yeah, but you pay.
asciilifeform: an empty '2u' rack case is 300 usd or so
mircea_popescu: benkay but still unusable.
decimation: mircea, are you saying the touchscreen is a better interface for typing?
mircea_popescu: no lol. imsaying wtf typing on your phone.
mircea_popescu: the name is PHONE
benkay: old man
decimation: yeah that's a good point
benkay: i grew up typing on them
mircea_popescu: now that's sad.
benkay: with T9 i could hammer out punctuation-perfect anything without even looking.
asciilifeform: chording keyboard would've worked great on phones
decimation: well, I would argue that physical phone keyboards are a better match for the occasional typing needed, compared to a touchscreen input
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean drinking mud is bad for me. i grew up drinking mud"
decimation: but I take your point about it sucks
asciilifeform: (this one: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861)
assbot: Loper OS » Engelbart’s Violin
mircea_popescu: anyone has a pic ready of the kids that bathed in warm water post chernobyl ?
benkay: hey i'm not saying mud's great
benkay: but it sure as heck beats actual shit.
mircea_popescu: benkay no i know
decimation: yeah I agree, why no chording interface
decimation: or hell, I would even enter morse code
mircea_popescu: decimation i'd rather have to whislte 8 baud into it than have to type on tha small shit
mircea_popescu: btw : why no whistle interface for smartphones yet ?
decimation: I agree, but if you are going to eat turds they might as well have a good keyboard
mircea_popescu: fucking "innovation" consisting of everyone making the same 3 games and 2 apps over and over AND OVER again
mircea_popescu: i bet you most people could whistle more wpm than they natively type
decimation: right, that's my point about phones (ascii has pointed this out before) - they are all converging on iphone clones
asciilifeform: morse is eminently learnable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, and i recall the tests : morse is faster than texting.
asciilifeform: (re: fear of learning, obligatory naggum: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html)
assbot: 404 Not Found
mircea_popescu: ;;google morse faster than texting
gribble: Wiki: Morse Faster Than Text Messaging: <http://c2.com/morse/wiki.cgi?MorseFasterThanTextMessaging>; Morse Code VS Text Messaging - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbA0UedX2Ws>; Morse Code Operators versus Mobile Phone Texting - SchoolTube: <http://www.schooltube.com/video/b10e053ebe005282aada/>
decimation: just like 'computers' were varied and interesting, and then all converged to wintel shitbox
asciilifeform: btw anyone who wants to try chording:
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/mwemu/mwemu.html
assbot: MwEmu
decimation: 'phones' were varied and interesting and converge to iphone shitbox
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mircea_popescu: i dunno they were ever that interesting
mircea_popescu: i rapidly lost interest after motorola somethng or the other
mircea_popescu: the last one you could grab by antenna and hit peopleover the head with
benkay: star tac's were amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
benkay: ;;google star tac
gribble: Motorola StarTAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_StarTAC>; The Motorola StarTAC is Back, in Yellow - Gizmodo: <http://gizmodo.com/5672422/the-motorola-startac-is-back-in-yellow>; Motorola StarTAC 130 - lëkki: <http://www.lekki.fr/en/10-motorola-startac>
mircea_popescu: the first clams ?
benkay: yup.
mircea_popescu: you only think that becaus they looked like a cona to you.
mircea_popescu: at an age when that was still a big deal
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benkay: ;;google cona
gribble: YMCA Youth Conference On National Affairs - Home: <http://www.ymcacona.org/>; Carriage Operators of North America - Home Page: <http://www.cona.org/>; Cona - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cona>
benkay: ?
asciilifeform: there were sane people:
mircea_popescu: con~a
asciilifeform: http://www.xaphoon.com/dataegg
asciilifeform: (never mass produced)
asciilifeform: at some point you have to ask, what problem are you actually solving by building pocket computer
mircea_popescu: word.
mircea_popescu: maybe if i had a really small pet person, like 6 inches tall or so.
mircea_popescu: they could have a big iron
benkay: more compute near more people
benkay: hedonic treadmill
benkay: gameboy ain't enough
mircea_popescu: i vote decimation "worst internet connection of #b-a"
asciilifeform: what's he using? ip over wood-fired dead goat ?
decimation: I use these guys https://www.witopia.net/
assbot: WiTopia Personal VPN Services Providers. Easily unblock Skype, Hulu, Netflix and Facebook - WiTopia
decimation: for some reason the openvpn client on linux lags to shit constantly
asciilifeform: i still don't get the point of connecting to freenode using a spam proxy
mircea_popescu: +1
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decimation: I guess I don't like the idea of my actual IP being spammed everywhere
mircea_popescu: so get a cloak
mircea_popescu: "the leading provider of home technology services"
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that, like white goods ?
decimation: ascii, you don't even cloak - I assume it's because you want to examine that which buzzes into your pot?
asciilifeform: decimation: among other reasons
decimation: I think they market to military deployed overseas in countries that have firewalls
asciilifeform: this is eerily reminiscent of the discussion about folks who use their given names, vs. 'hard' pseudonyms
asciilifeform: decimation: such countries typically add public vpn companies to ban list
decimation: heh, the smart ones do
asciilifeform: solution is to have a privately owned box in a 'friendly' ip block to tunnel from
decimation: exactly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of which, everyone at earlier mentioned brunch was floored. "but that is your real name ?!" "yeah" "but... but... but everyone uses a pseudonym" "i don't give a shit" *silence*
asciilifeform: lol
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mircea_popescu: i imagine it must suck to have a job working for idiots.
asciilifeform: public vpn is like a public reusable condom in whorehouse
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that dataegg thing looks like the earlier nutso kbd
benkay: my insurance guy won't even ride his bike naked in the naked bike ride
benkay: o.O
benkay: goes anyways.
mircea_popescu: wtf
mircea_popescu: small cock ?
decimation: I've always been confused why "device" makers don't integrate morse code into the phone/pad/whatever
benkay: american puritanism.
benkay: "my clients, you see."
mircea_popescu: decimation keyboard with tickler on side would be pretty rad.
benkay: homeboy is brokering insurance deals for the queer community left right and sideways. yet..."my clients".
mircea_popescu: benkay i bet you an all naked insurance company'd make a killing
mircea_popescu: "we're not stealing from you - we wouldn't have where to hide it"
mircea_popescu: hire a dozen or so models/webcam girls, all the other womenz'd fall right in line
mircea_popescu: "o, but *everyone* does it"
decimation: you can buy a tactile watch http://gearhungry.com/2013/07/bradley-tactile-watch.html#!1Q8pl
assbot: Bradley Tactile Watch | GearHungry
benkay: gotta say i ain't got no clue as to how nudity'd sell insurance.
benkay: it's not like the underwriters office is anywhere near the customers.
mircea_popescu: then WHAT DIFF DOES IT MAKE
mircea_popescu: you see you have fallen right into my little trap!11
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benkay wriggles frantically in the sticky ropes
decimation: re: public vpn: yeah but it keeps the ankelbiters away, kinda
benkay: aw fuck here we go again
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moiety: spending time reading logs keeps ankle biters away
moiety: you can put number on things like age but its really a dedication thing
moiety: am i teling myself that as a delusional spinster?!
moiety: i believe this tho
mircea_popescu: moiety depends how you mean it specifically ?
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moiety: in terms of learning stuff here, i guess so mircea_popescu, but i have found in across board. there's some people i would hire that are half the age of those i wouldn't
moiety: it across the board*
mircea_popescu: well yeah
moiety: this past year has been my first steps into managing those online, irl its a lot easier and a very different
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moiety: well that was maybe a wrong thing to say.... managing people irl is maybe easier if youre used to it
mircea_popescu: irl you also have tits.
decimation: wow it was easier to get a cloak than I figured it would be
mircea_popescu: mthreat http://www.quickmeme.com/img/4d/4d01d28147bdc6ffbb6feb6c576a7745f0935c8a523201ea11981c8c41b5ba9d.jpg
mircea_popescu: yes.
moiety: you just have to hang around decimation
moiety: mircea_popescu: well maybe thats why i was given a chance at being a good pa, but it doesnt mean you can deliver
mircea_popescu: moiety don't you find people tend to be less argumentative ?
mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?q=i+have+the+tits+i+make+the+rules style.
assbot: i have the tits i make the rules - Google Search
decimation: re: age: I've found that "adult children" are common in the us anyway
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mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/7f6943a23f0f408017552998442a9486/tumblr_mry28vfvYa1qdoxp5o1_500.jpg << fixed ?
moiety: not at all mircea_popescu it's actually a good test for me, tells me how someone would be to work with. if the argument is articulate, it makes a huge difference right?
mircea_popescu: right.
moiety: as an organiser, i find it rude telling me how to run things without a decent backup argument/reason and here are plenty that try. its just a hmnmo thx but i take note of the ideas
moiety: there are plenty that try*
moiety: ! publio
moiety: !publio
moiety: assbot, cmon just forgive me eh
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TheNewDeal: no need for up now?
TheNewDeal: just ! ?
benkay: ! publio
benkay: !publio
benkay: !up publio
benkay: !down publio
publio: not sure..
benkay: ! khersonus
benkay: *shrug*
mircea_popescu: odd
mircea_popescu: and down is broked ?
mircea_popescu: !down publio
benkay: !up CoalPowerGorilla
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot publio
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask publio!~publio@c-68-61-150-36.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user publio: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=publio | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=publio | Rated since: Sun Apr 15 23:05:03 2012
mircea_popescu: oic
benkay: !down CoalPowerGorilla
mircea_popescu: publio had you self-voiced coincidentally just as moiety was derping ?
publio: did it just to spite :)
mircea_popescu: oic
benkay: clever m'lad
TheNewDeal: that's ridiculous. Had me going
mircea_popescu: "And more to the point here, it is the reason why women often feel that men have "the upper hand" in relationships. That feeling doesn't exist because men are dominant over women or have some kind of real advantage; it is just because men are strongly motivated by sex, and therefore get into relationships with girls they don't really care about - or at least, they get into relationships with girls who care more about t
mircea_popescu: hem than they do about the girls, even if only by a small amount. In other words, men only have the upper hand because they have this tendency to play below their league."
mircea_popescu: intriguing theory off random derpy blog http://www.therulesrevisited.com/2011/10/upper-hand-in-relationships.html
assbot: The Rules Revisited: The Upper Hand In Relationships
benkay: those post-25 year old females punch below their weight too - only way to recruit a provider at that phase of life.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/five-bucks-for-great-justice/
benkay: going back to yesterdays conversation about the dearth of leadership and stones etc
mircea_popescu: sure. and he goes into full retard mode right after, proposing that somehow "not givingit up easy" helps a woman's position.
mircea_popescu: it so happens that i won't even consider women that don't, i'm pretty sure the top generally doesn't, and so it's a quite dangerous strat.
benkay: well if we can rathole on the evolutionary psychology thing playing hard to get raises the bar for potential impregnators.
benkay: "gotta work for it", or raep.
mircea_popescu: if she doesn't have thesense to realise she's accidentally run into the absolute best, she can't be all that smart in the first place.
mircea_popescu: who wants dummies ?
benkay: judging competence is hard, though. ergo heuristics like playing hard to get.
benkay: obvs the top of the top enjellify legs without really even trying
benkay: but...0.01% oslt
mircea_popescu: well yeah. but by playing hard to get you may get +10 on your average catch, but also get the guarantee you're never getting in the bed of that 0.whatever% ☟︎
thestringpuller: sluts who play hard to get: oxymoron or profound truth?
mircea_popescu: this also isn't a very good strat.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah, that's ancient whore strat. i even wrote it up im pretty sure
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema whore strat
gribble: Back to work, whore. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/back-to-work-whore>; Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity/>; Iulie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/07>
thestringpuller: the former or latter?
thestringpuller: i assume "back to work whore"
benkay: relatedly, lady v and i were saying goodbyes at a dinner party last night, all of the girls with whom i'm friends with at this thing lined up for hugs and kisses - and then the new girl in the room gets up and right in line as well, demanding hers giggling and blushing all the while
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mircea_popescu: hmm now i can't find it.
thestringpuller: benkay: "OMG I smelle riches and success. *blush blush blush*. I want a hug now!!!!"
benkay: basically
thestringpuller: did lady benkay choke a bitch?
benkay: no no she's an instigator
thestringpuller: instagator how? Like "you should get some hugs from them cute girls" ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the idea being that an utter whore denying the pack leader any fucking has a decent chance to drive him mad and end up in some sort of "that obscure object of desire " situation.
mircea_popescu: basically her refusal to give him what she gives the whole pack is a slight, but one he has no redress for : she's already an outcast.
benkay: thestringpuller: more like she gets the girls primed
benkay: mp has better stories on this.
benkay: and it's lady v to you, sir.
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mircea_popescu: benkay so did she feel girls butt while hugging ?
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> benkay: "OMG I smelle riches and success. *blush blush blush*. I want a hug now!!!!" << dun be an asshole, maybe she's just fun loving.
benkay: maybe she's just doing what all the other girls are doing
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I've been surrounded by 20 year olds for the past decade...they always want something...
mircea_popescu: well of coursethey want something. all living things want stuff.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay so did she feel girls butt while hugging ? // no but great idea
benkay: great butt idea
benkay: <3
benkay: butts
benkay: $bait
benkay: $butts
mircea_popescu: experience.
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thestringpuller: !mpif
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mircea_popescu: so actually trading under nav huh
benkay: mike called it yesterday
benkay: mike_c
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thestringpuller: !ticker m f.mpif
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/chipmunk.jpg
benkay: guest?
mircea_popescu: nah just random trilema pic. from http://www.laurieandcicero.com/index.html
assbot: Laurie & Cicero's Favorite Spots
penguirker: New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/argentina-and-the-art-of-being-into-it/
benkay: that's what i like about portland as well
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benkay: people are into their stuff entirely unabashedly. although here, it's knitting sweaters for trees and not sawing off epic hunks of meat.
benkay: or...performing Original Star Trek in graveyards.
mircea_popescu: wait.
mircea_popescu: for trees ?!
benkay: or the World Naked Bike Ride, or Pedalpalooza in general.
benkay: you'll see them down in bsas as well.
benkay: just a different kind of street art.
benkay: oh and not just trees - bike staples as well.
mircea_popescu: hm
benkay waits for the scathing critique of all things America
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thestringpuller: benkay: are you surrounded by hippies in your city?
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mircea_popescu: " Lisp is not the kind of language that insecure losers would use. people do not want to learn Lisp because they stand a better chance of beating another unskilled fool in the job race. fact is: you don't get a job by lying about your Lisp skills. all of this means that there is very little activity at the front gate, where all the journalists and the media are. there are no people struggling like mad to ge
mircea_popescu: t into the Lisp world. they don't have to. if you want to learn Lisp, you go learn Lisp and talk to nice people who probably have time for you, and you make yourself good at it. then you go do complex stuff that insecure losers who lie about their Java skills can't even imagine, and therefore do not consider part of the competition."
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy how accurate this is.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily about lisp
benkay: thestringpuller: transients come, transients go. part of the nature of...transients.
benkay: there are a lot of underemployed hipster girls about tho - and none of 'em can make a life where they can afford babies in the states anymore. ergo, tree-sweaters.
benkay: dunno what's going on down in buenos aires tho.
mircea_popescu: sad.
mircea_popescu: women here can have kids, yes.
benkay: families also paint great big huge murals on their intersections to slow cars down.
benkay: it's a weird place, but that's why i like it.
moiety urgh is all i have to say
mircea_popescu: "dead or dying software projects lie around all over the place, like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers"
mircea_popescu: beautiful.
Mats_cd03: 17:14:14 mircea_popescu: i live in fear of this, btw, one of these days one of you assholes is going to script the noob and then i'll have to close down the whole operation ;/
Mats_cd03: gems abound in today's log
mircea_popescu: you ain't seen nothin' yet Mats_cd03