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deedbot: 2019/12/16 09:33:35 <spyked> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954760 <-- certainly looks like a spin on greenspun's rule: any system that amasses enough complexity (for some values of "enough", at least) becomes a contender for the "operating system" label. imho emacs, wp, cltrons all fit in there.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954760 <-- certainly looks like a spin on greenspun's rule: any system that amasses enough complexity (for some values of "enough", at least) becomes a contender for the "operating system" label. imho emacs, wp, cltrons all fit in there.
mircea_popescu: but the deep fundamental issue that greenspun ran into and bewails in http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html is exactly this : postmodernity is predicated on meaninglessness.
asciilifeform: grep 'greenspun', prolly will find.
spyked: so mp-wp is an operating system? ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798159 could then make a great corollary to greenspun's thing) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (laugh if you will, but this is EXACTLY what they believe, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html etc).
mircea_popescu: and i include greenspun in the idiots pile. along with the rest of the "luminaries".
mircea_popescu: i dunno how familiar you are at all with cultural trends in that uneasy federal empire of entirely uncommunicating groups, but does eg greenspun sound cali to you AT ALL ?
mircea_popescu: ok, but that's technological, at least greenspun's chiclid observation applies.
spyked: editor might actually make a good basis for a browser. emacs, if we were to take greenspun's tenth rule into account.
mircea_popescu: note how ffa ends up satisfying the greenspun rule, through the predictable entry point.
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit in 'shame and war' is that greenspun correctly identifies html as newjerseylade liquishit, but wholly misrepresents the focus of the braindamage ( he thinks it has something to do with lacking styling; and then 'hey they invented css, fixed it!' )
asciilifeform: http://philip.greenspun.com/research/shame-and-war << apparently moved ( and possibly sectionally censored, i've nfi )
asciilifeform: greenspun, on other hand -- was
pete_dushenski: i'd put taleb, greenspun, tyler cowen, russ roberts, and matt levine in this camp.
pete_dushenski still guiltily checks greenspun's blergh once a week, isn't always disappointed
pete_dushenski: if only greenspun wasn't so old, jewy, and busy with winblozboxen, he could shut up about 'no-fault divorce' and how 'banging school principal in mass. is a better career choice for girls than medicine' and just suggest the only right and proper remedy to that particular poison pill.
ben_vulpes: and from le wik: "One of Greenspun's most famous students is Randal Pinkett, who built an online community for low-income housing residents in Greenspun's 6.171 Software Engineering for Internet Applications course."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575631 << mandatory link to " It was impressive in a way to see Protagoras's sophism alive and well after 2500 years." http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html ☝︎
mircea_popescu: college works exactly like greenspun memorialized : "the reason you are having trouble with this problem is because you aren't very smart and aren't woking very hard."
pete_dushenski: even greenspun's trollage has its appeal for me, if less so than taki even.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski greenspun is also a bitter idiot.
pete_dushenski: greenspun, despite appearing to be happily married and fathering and what have you, is ~obsessed~ with alimony / child support / no fault divorce litigation in the states. he openly advocates that young ladies skip 'career' and instead have illegitimate children with lawyers, dentists, school principals, etc.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2016#1431119 << this is nifty ~but~ i invoke greenspun's tenth. ☝︎
ascii_butugychag: (grep earlier greenspun c2 link for 'refactor')
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: holy shit, shitgnomes are trying to pervert even greenspun's law ?!!
adlai: slime is a massive turd, most of which is totally irrelevant for shiva (unless bitcoin-os is planned to serve as yet another example of Greenspun's 10th)
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » The EU was Hitler’s idea, apparently ... ( http://bit.ly/1SrmaXF )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » National Socialist and Lover ... ( http://bit.ly/1Srm5Du )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama’s speech about San Bernardino ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGiTl8 )
mircea_popescu: anyway, greenspun in this interpretation embodies the affliction, in how he falsely if conveniently paints a will-to-live in the terms of "impressing the group"
asciilifeform: it is entirely possible for an old (to a point) man to shoot better, take more physical punishment, run faster, even - than disposable cannon fodder. to a point. but the one thing that doesn't grow back is... WANTING TO. i.e. thinking that, in greenspun's words, 'the group is worth impressing' via suicidal stupidity
asciilifeform: it works as greenspun described.
pete_dushenski: greenspun ?
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Is the new Zuckerberg fake charity an estate tax avoidance scheme? ... ( http://bit.ly/1QYXTIJ )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » George Washington, Mules, and Donald Trump ... ( http://bit.ly/1jDurdJ )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Clojure: If Lisp is so great, why do we keep needing new variants? ... ( http://bit.ly/1G28MpE )
asciilifeform: 'We'd paid nearly $1 million in income tax on our profits for calendar year 1999. Not so bad considering that we built everything from a $10,000 investment.' << at the risk of cribbing from obama's 'you didn't make that company', greenspun... did not make that idiot dotcom gold rush!
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html << there, read the source for the quote. he meanwhile deleted it from his www but i had a copy.
asciilifeform: none of greenspun's cohort was thusly bathed for creating anything like a properly salable product that somebody, somewhere, actually ~wanted~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when greenspun wrote that, he wasn't entirely wrong. yet.
mircea_popescu: but if not - greenspun.
mircea_popescu: holy shit phillip greenspun actually runs windows 10 ?!
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » How much do we love Windows 10? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxuGPX )
asciilifeform: greenspun ?
decimation: greenspun thinks that if starbucks went 'full coke machine' and got rid of the employees, they wouldn't be able to charge the rates they do, because 'not hand crafted'
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Why no robots at Starbucks? ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Zhmv )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Ashley Madison data breach: time to buy Bitcoin? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oy02Hs )
pete_dushenski: ^greenspun's got the bitcoin bug nao ;)
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Ashley Madison data breach: time to buy Bitcoin? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ki59ga )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » What other currencies besides Bitcoin have experienced inverse debasement? (“basement”?) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RGSg3h )
pete_dushenski: ^my comment for greenspun.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » What other currencies besides Bitcoin have experienced inverse debasement? (“basement”?) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpIIzL )
pete_dushenski: this quote, of course, being the first of two that greenspun wrote on 'look who's back'
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Hitler’s thoughts on the Euro ... ( http://bit.ly/1fcAS4P )
decimation: how did greenspun put it: http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/early-retirement/investing " Note that Harvard's total is 105 percent because of leverage, i.e., situations in which they've borrowed money to purchase investments. Conspicuously absent from these portfolios are heavy investments in American companies run by Harvard and Yale graduates. "Domestic Equity" are publicly traded stocks such as GE and Microsoft. Harvard and Ya
pete_dushenski: ^greenspun rehashing the 'usa becomes africa just like it always wanted' thing from the logs
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 12:24:13; mircea_popescu: i have no fucking clue how greenspun keeps from going on a shooting rampage, living with these idiots.
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking clue how greenspun keeps from going on a shooting rampage, living with these idiots. ☟︎
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Home school, Shanghai school, and American K-12 all in one conversation ... ( http://bit.ly/1fnFENk )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Home school, Shanghai school, and American K-12 all in one conversation ... ( http://bit.ly/1ewosVy )
ascii_field: greenspun btw
decimation: Greenspun was just making the side point that the aircraft is relatively expensive to operate compared to others in its class
decimation: greenspun: "(compare to about $25,000 per flight hour to charter (source)). If American Airlines spent this much during the 7-hour flight from London to Boston it would cost $1.44 million for the trip in operating cost (i.e., not including the capital cost of the aircraft) or about $3500 per passenger (i.e., a round-trip coach ticket couldn?t be sold for less than about $7000 plus taxes and fees)."
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd6Hom )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrNSyK )
decimation: greenspun has a continual rant on the divorce racket
decimation: yeah the best comment on greenspun's article: "This is a subject and comparison that has been written about at length. German roads last longer because they are built substantially better than most U.S. roads. The German system of road construction relies on large long-term contracts with national companies that must build and maintain the roadway and are responsible for repairing any design and engineering defects. There is a powerfu
decimation: heh maybe greenspun reads you
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » American optimism on parade at the Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q55pPk )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Why you shouldn’t sell any product to an American (MU-2 crash in Oklahoma) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4V9qr )
ascii_field: for what it's worth, my hypothesis for the maleness of the profession is that it is the very epitome of greenspun's tournamentmarket
mircea_popescu: i'da made the comment there, but apparently greenspun doesn't know how to comments.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Massachusetts bureaucracy gets 1 in 13 households to come in and beg ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bfh5oL )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » White House Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DELVdh )
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not at all. look at greenspun'ssad story with arsdigita
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPukgt )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » How to spend $400 million on a helicopter ... ( http://bit.ly/1phiuM2 )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama saved by the fighter jet that he canceled ... ( http://bit.ly/1phhyYb )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » White House Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1phfdMQ )
mircea_popescu: worst idea ever, greenspun should be shot.
asciilifeform: http://philip.greenspun.com/research/internet-haters << how we ended up with 'flash' and similar crap.
asciilifeform: http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science
asciilifeform: straight to greenspun.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » 2005 » March » 08
asciilifeform: of their profits are being used to pay executive salaries this will have to be built at extremely low cost. Deficiencies in the softwrae will enable vast numbers of Americans to download Bambi for free, their ISPs will be forced to rat them out, and they will all get to see Martha's Stewart's cell in West Virginia first hand...' (greenspun. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2005/03/08/#a7726 )
gribble: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/>; ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html>; The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/>
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Massachusetts State Police New Helicopter
mircea_popescu: anyone recall greenspun's retelling of whatever imperial visit ?
decimation: re: small plane safety: http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/safety " If you don't want to die like JFK, Jr., who became disoriented on a dark and hazy night over water, don't fly at night or don't fly at night unless you're absolutely sure that it will be clear with a bright moon. If you don't want to die when a 25-year-old part fails in mid-air, get a new airplane. "
decimation: greenspun agrees that the sr-20 has challenging flight dynamics: http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/cirrus-sr20 " In terms of avoiding an accident, one problem with the Cirrus is its unforgiving handling compared to other basic four-seaters. For pilots accustomed to learning about an impending stall by feeling reduced airloads on the flight controls, the Cirrus provides much less stall warning. This is due to spring cartridges that
decimation: hehe yeah. as one commentator put it (on greenspun's site): "I doubt that Obama (or Bush in his day) even thinks about what kind of travel arrangements are being made on his behalf. It’s the lackeys around them who like to be part of a grand spectacle, compounded by unfettered risk aversion in the federal and MA security apparatus."
decimation: heh one of the links in greenspun's blog: http://archive.delawareonline.com/article/20060614/NEWS/60614001/Air-Force-blames-crew-C-5-crash
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama and New England aviation businesses start their vacation
decimation: Yeah I do see how that throws a wrench in the model. Here's a real-world example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/08/09/obama-and-new-england-aviation-businesses-start-their-vacation/ << greenspun details how Obama travels with an enormous entourage, which usg can't afford - this fact doesn't occur to anyone 'in the loop'
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asciilifeform: !s greenspun
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asciilifeform: !s greenspun
decimation: yeah, I was reading greenspun last night and I thought of you - his post about the low quality of rentals available to citizens