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ben_vulpes: does anyone in la serenissima have a copy of the bitcoin repository of june 2012 vintage?
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/independent-reserve-becomes-australias-latest-bitcoin-exchange/
assbot: Independent Reserve Becomes Australia's Latest Bitcoin Exchange | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.5.3/ etc.
assbot: Page not found - SourceForge.net
mircea_popescu: eh ?!
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
ben_vulpes: all i have is the github repo ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !up TheKingOfCPU
TheKingOfCPU: hi
TheKingOfCPU: hi everyone
TheKingOfCPU: =)
mircea_popescu: ello.
ben_vulpes: salad
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes https://codeload.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/legacy.tar.gz/v0.7.1 << there
mircea_popescu: https://codeload.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/legacy.tar.gz/v0.6.3 etc ☟︎
ben_vulpes: ya got it ☟︎
mike_c: should the news have as much of a slant as a blog post?
mike_c: or, to rephrase. a news article shouldn't have as much of a slant as a blog post.
ben_vulpes: "news" is all slant
mike_c: all communication has a slant. a news article should strive to have less than a blogger.
cazalla: mike_c which article
mike_c: i don't mean to poop on pete, but his is the one i just read.
cazalla: it is listed under commentary
mike_c: ok, that is good. but that is also news i would like to have.
mircea_popescu: mike_c be specific ?
mike_c: generally the editorial that is slanted is not the only source of news on the topic.
mircea_popescu: (i've not read it)
mike_c: " the world's largest banks gathered together to hold hands and sing kumbaya in the hope that Bitcoin would be gentle"
TheKingOfCPU: is maynous an instrument?
mike_c: nothing wrong with this in a commentary, but I would also like to be able to read the un-slanted version.
mircea_popescu: yeah hardly news this.
TheKingOfCPU: is maynous an instrument?
kakobrekla: should be pythra instead qntra
mircea_popescu: !down TheKingOfCPU
cazalla: mike_c, which pete linked to but it's a commentary and as news alone, i don't think anyone cares what someone said regarding bitcoin so it could only be commentary on qntra
mircea_popescu: cazalla no but he has a point, what kumbaya.
BingoBoingo: I hit publish on Pete's piece, in the Commentary category not the news category.
cazalla: usurper!
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: My bad
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know ther's really no diff the site makes. if commentary went to a special page you had to click for then i see it
mircea_popescu: but as is, it's all the same thing, aka news.
cazalla: this independent reserve mob are on irc apparently, just wrong network and channel
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat << if the universe favoured defenders of castles, rather than attackers, bitcoin would not be necessary
asciilifeform: the 'martian bank' could be a literal martian bank.
mircea_popescu: anyway, guy's prose is rather florid, but there IS a news bit in there.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well what protected the Wasp's bag?
mircea_popescu: cazalla where ?
BingoBoingo: Why can't a datacenter be protected similarly?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: until destroyed - obscurity
cazalla: irc.oz.org #ir but i've invited them here
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And maybe people learn not to visit datacenters uninvited... ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cut pipe from safe distance.
BingoBoingo: Safe distance is a mystery though...
mircea_popescu: cazalla good idea.
asciilifeform: a datacenter that can't be diddled from a safe distance is also called 'a nuclear power' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nothing I said contradicts that conclusion. At $900k/BTC a lot of things become possibilities
asciilifeform addresses the worms who people his future grave 'eh boys, you'll be lighting benjies with lit benjies' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ZT50FA.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00073803 = 14.0595 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: dude varnish is sweet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu re-varnishing transformers again?
mircea_popescu: nono, varnish the web cache
asciilifeform is a 20th century creature
mircea_popescu: https://www.varnish-software.com/
assbot: Varnish Software
asciilifeform: varnish - lives on transformers.
ben_vulpes: varnish is okay
ben_vulpes: so: isStandard() - this is not related to blockchain and transaction processing rules, correct?
ben_vulpes: no it's totally in the transaction processing rules
ben_vulpes: if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork
ben_vulpes: if an 0.9 *node*...
asciilifeform: http://www.cbronline.com/news/tech/software/enterprise-apps/google-to-nix-piracy-sites-in-search-rank-201014-4411175
assbot: Google to nix piracy sites in search rank - Computer Business Review
danielpbarron: what is it with people pronouncing '0' as 'oh'?
ben_vulpes: syllabic efficiency
danielpbarron: "an zero" sounds strange
ben_vulpes: wouldn't it be "a zero"?
ben_vulpes: ah hue
ben_vulpes: i'm retarded, it's fine
danielpbarron: well no; not if you pronounce it "an oh point nine"
ben_vulpes: i'd probably say "oh nine", but i should write "a 0.9..."
ben_vulpes: and i never say the decimal
ben_vulpes: "oh nine three"
danielpbarron: "zero point nine point three"
ben_vulpes: i'm sure it matters to someone
bounce: ``In August 2012 we first announced that we would downrank sites for which we received a large number of valid DMCA notices.'' -- they get flooded with bot-generated "DMCA notices". what do they do to make sure they're "valid"? looking at youtube, not that much.
asciilifeform: 'heighten the contradictions'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7606 @ 0.00073798 = 5.6131 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork << yep
mircea_popescu: and an incurable one, at that.
mircea_popescu: this was the mechanism of the previous hard fork : .8 miners included tx rejected by the network, moved on a different chain.
mircea_popescu: !up AdamIR
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that's Adam Tepper from that new aussie exchange
mircea_popescu: is this the thing with the bitfury buys ?
cazalla: no, that's digitalBTC
mircea_popescu: ah independent reserve, kay.
AdamIR: http://www.independentreserve is our site.
AdamIR: Thanks for the invitation and introduction cazalla.
AdamIR: http://www.independentreserve.com rather.
assbot: Independent Reserve - The Bitcoin Market
mircea_popescu: AdamIR get in the wot. actually why aren';t you in there already ?
undata: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/10/20/secret-service-fbi-hack-cybersecuurity/17615029/
assbot: Officials warn 500 million financial records hacked
undata: << "Our government and our businesses are in a daily fight against hackers," Pawlenty said. "It's getting increasingly concerning, and it needs to be met with action by Congress." >>
undata: oh good, more legislation
AdamIR: mircea_popescu - I joined #bitcoin-otc. Will have a look in more detail later, thanks.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i imagine these should really be all massed into one weekly post or something. X, Y and Z opened. K L and M closed."
asciilifeform: microshit still not razed and employees not publicly impaled, news at 11.
mircea_popescu: maybe even have a dead pool
kakobrekla: AdamIR you dont want to be there.
undata: asciilifeform: they're going to make hacking even more illegal; you'll see!
mircea_popescu: <undata> oh good, more legislation << asciilifeform has it. "everyone ever worked for microsoft, one year in prison per year worked, plus one year in prison per 100k in salary ever received. sentences over 20 years commuted to death."
AdamIR: kakobrekla - just having a look what it's all about.
mircea_popescu: everyone OTHER than ms has a year to either discontinue their business or fix it.
mircea_popescu: check out the sudden security everywhere
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that's an idea, i like to cover them just so i know if/when they close i have something to refer back to if they change their story at that point
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway ok, so when you say last mover advantage/having studied what others did worng, what specifically do you mean ?
asciilifeform: 'One Romanian hacker was lured to Boston by Secret Service Special Agent Matt O'Neill, who used the Internet to pose as a woman and invite the cybercriminal on a trip to the USA to enjoy gambling and romance. "He was quite surprised that I was the one meeting him when he arrived," said O'Neill, who worked on the case for months.' << lol, is anyone actually this stupid? even sp4mz0rs?
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah, i feel you. but should really be one paragraph at best. just the details.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... there's a number of things we do right, particularly compared with others in the Australia-Pacific region.
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway the idea was for specificity.
AdamIRAway: Yes... typing...
mircea_popescu: no rush.
AdamIRAway: I realise some other exchanges do some of these things, but some of the ways I think that Independent Reserve is ahead of a lot of our competition is...
AdamIRAway: 1. Rather than rely on a technology/IT focused team (which is my own background), we brought onboard a lot of the executive team and investors with FX Markets, Investment Banking and Finance background, which I think has helped in many of the decisions we have made, and connections that we have made, and gives better overall balance and credibility to what we do.
mircea_popescu: sure, go can't hurt.
AdamIRAway: 2. Rather than launch something quickly, we developed an enterprise level trading system over a period of twelve months and followed best practice in software development to develop a platform that we believe is secure, robust and stable. My own background as well as that of our CTO is in enterprise software development, and previously worked for many financial institutions in Australia.
AdamIRAway: 3. We have a very rich API. I realise other exchanges have this also, but not so in Australia.
mircea_popescu: what ever came of MMADX incidentally ?
AdamIRAway: 4. Most people, particularly Australians (but other nationalities also), can verify themselves online within minutes, usually without having to submit any identification documents. In some cases we can't automatically verify that, we can still verify manually.
AdamIRAway: 5. Australians can make BPAY Deposits (it's an Australian thing), but we convert this to USD at around 2.5 % better than most banks will. International clients can do a SWIFT transfer direct into our USD account. The other Australian exchange trades AUD/XBT, but we chose USD to provide greater liquidity.
mircea_popescu: http://asiaetrading.com/australian-company-to-automate-multi-trillion-dollar-debt-market-mmadx/ <<
assbot: Australian Company to Automate Multi-Trillion Dollar Debt Market MMADX | AsiaEtrading.com
mircea_popescu: seems to have been "going to" in 2012 and then suddenly dissapeared.
mircea_popescu: is this a reuse of that platform ?
AdamIRAway: 6. I think we are the only Bitcoin exchange in the world that is audited by one of the major auditing firms - PricewaterhouseCoopers
mike_c: PWC, the bitcoin experts! :)
gabriel_laddel: "to develop a platform that *we believe* is secure, robust and stable..."
gabriel_laddel: [emphasis mine]
AdamIRAway: 7. And again, this only applies to Australians. Because we are an open market exchange (not a brokerage), we are not obligated to charge 10 % GST on transactions, like other brokerages in the region do.
decimation: AdamIRAway: you realize you basically saying "we are awesome at kyc/aml"
mircea_popescu: decimation well, generally, "at interfacing with austrialian banks"
AdamIRAway: decimation... it's important to take KYC/AML seriously, in order for us to work with banks. We do our best to make it as painless as possible for our clients, if we can.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
mircea_popescu: "MMADX hopes to turn profitable in 2015. According to the presentation, its projected earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization for fiscal 2016 and 2017 are A$23.2 million and A$34.2 million, respectively. At that time, or before, the company could undertake an initial public offering, the presentation states."
mircea_popescu: so it never actually listed, best i can discern. did it close down ?
decimation: AdamIRAway: are you going to be transparent to your customers w.r.t. actual daily balances?
decimation: or is that only for pwc?
asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: of their profits are being used to pay executive salaries this will have to be built at extremely low cost. Deficiencies in the softwrae will enable vast numbers of Americans to download Bambi for free, their ISPs will be forced to rat them out, and they will all get to see Martha's Stewart's cell in West Virginia first hand...' (greenspun. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2005/03/08/#a7726 )
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » 2005 » March » 08
mircea_popescu: cazalla if you have a clue how to go through the aussie corp register, it's company code: 34149069910
AdamIRAway: gabriel_laddel... my emphasis was on *secure, robust and scalable* ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, didja know that what actually broke the chicago mob was their ill advised attempt to muscle hollywood into shape ?
BingoBoingo: AdamIRAway: Does you exchange handle shoebox in the mail full of paper money transactions?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unsurprising
decimation: people who tell the masses how to think and vote tend to maintain their position
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: probably not, but your postman does!
gabriel_laddel: AdamIRAway: I see.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he'll be happy to pay his grocery bill with them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: propaganda ministry wins over ordinary mob
AdamIRAway: decimation... Pwc will be auditing our finances, and we will make their report available. We are looking to engage them to audit our XBT reserves as well shortly. We aren't currently transparent day-to-day regarding our reserves/balances, but it is obviously something we will be looking to do shortly after our launch.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, Cancelled from 28 Feb 2014
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But in future world a shoebox full a benjies buys what? A single tomatoe?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a few minutes of fire in potbelly stove
decimation: AdamIRAway: that pretty much sounds to me something like "we plan to float bitcoin and hope we don't get screwed"
mircea_popescu: anyway, since michael go doesn't seem on the menu, how did you get Admiral Markets's very own Lasanka Perera ? or what exactly is the arrangement there ?
AdamIRAway: decimation... I'm not sure how you interpreted my statement to reach that viewpoint. We take both our USD and XBT reserves very seriously, and will be looking to provide cryptograhic proof of our Bitcoin reserves shortly.
AdamIRAway: Lasanka Perera is a friend of mine, and co-founder of Independent Reserve.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, http://pastebin.com/DjYmbsEz
assbot: Australian Company MONEY MARKET AND DEBT EXCHANGE PTY. LTD. ACN 149 069 910 - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway any comment on how MMDX got deregistered ?
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu - no sorry, can you give me some more context?
mircea_popescu: yes. the context is like so : an old time forex broker with a kind-of mlm-y past that used to do metals and everything got together with a guy that had a company that was going to trade debt advertised then suddenly disappeared. they hired a coupla software dudes (you and the Przelozny) and a very clueless legal chick with no practice. in this context, i'm trying to figure out exactly how did said debt trading platform
mircea_popescu: company get closed down.
mircea_popescu: now my thinking is that you couldn't have spent very long making a dedicated platform, seeing how this just happened this year, so you're either reusing one or the other. i somehow doubt it's admiral's platform, so prolly im guessing mmdx's ?
mircea_popescu: !up AdamIRAway
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... I think you have the wrong idea about several points.
mircea_popescu: well that's good, that's what you're here for after all.
BingoBoingo: Eric S Raymond builds a computer >> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6389
assbot: Spending the “Help Stamp Out CVS In Your Lifetime” fund
AdamIRAway: First of all, I'm not involved in any waay with MMDX - I hadn't heard of them until you mentioned it.
mircea_popescu: but you did some research on your partners or no ?
AdamIRAway: Secondly, we aren't using any software from Admiral Markets or MMDX, not a single line of code, I don't know what systems they've used previously. Our systems have been developed in-house over the past 15 months.
asciilifeform: eric raymond << obligatory: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archives
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond
mircea_popescu: so this thing has existed for the past 15 months ?!
asciilifeform: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/gpl-sucker-punch
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » GPL sucker punch
asciilifeform: ^
AdamIRAway: Thirdly. Nobody hired a "couple of software dudes and a clueless legal chick", as you described...
AdamIRAway: Myself, along with Adrian Przelozny are the majority shareholders of Independent Reserve.
mircea_popescu: o, it goes the other way ?
mircea_popescu: interesting.
mircea_popescu: ok so basically you and the prezelozny fellow made this thing and reached out for some consultancy work from finance and legal peeps ?
AdamIRAway: Our Compliance Specialist has a lot of experience in compliance obviously, and through her we have engaged Baker & McKenzie for specialised legal advice as required.
RagnarDanneskjol wonders how long this infomercial for indy reserve will go on (also do they have shiraz blend?).. changes channel
AdamIRAway: RagnarDanneskjol... I was invited here, and asked questions.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol it's the trade gazette, what do you want. ppl gotta be able to answer.
RagnarDanneskjol: ok cool
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway dun worry about it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nao I have more to read
AdamIRAway: Sorry they haven't been to your liking, I will be happy to leave if it's not welcome.
RagnarDanneskjol: dont mind me - sounded more like advert than adderessing relevant Qs
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway anyway, i think i get the basic idea. it's not bad or anything. get in the wot so bitcoin people have a direct point of contact and other than that, time will tell.
asciilifeform: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/eric-buys-an-ipod
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Eric buys an Ipod
BingoBoingo: I remember his printer rant
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... I've just been trying to get some context regarding what you were saying before... I thought you were referring to something Lasanka had been involved with...
AdamIRAway: Adrian Przelozny, Lasanka Perera and myself were the co-founders of Independent Reserve.
BingoBoingo: !up AdamIR2
AdamIR2: I realise now you were talking about Michael Go, and his involvement with MMADX several years ago. I don't know the details of his involvement with that, but it is not connected with Independent Reserve.
AdamIR2: On that note... I need to go back and so some work. Thanks for your questions.
ben_vulpes: was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history?
asciilifeform: 'directly' ?
decimation: wasn't it always in a Berkeley db?
ben_vulpes: as opposed to BDB
decimation: like, as a flat text file or something?
ben_vulpes does not actually understand how the infinite layers of the modern v.n. architecture does it's nasty business.
ben_vulpes: decimation: i imagined something like that, yeah.
decimation: I doubt it, that would be crazy
decimation: the code is out there for reading though, I suppose
ben_vulpes: still working through the changelog
asciilifeform: http://www.zorinaq.com/pub/bitcoin-0.1.0.tgz
decimation: asciilifeform: is that the 'satoshi' original turd?
asciilifeform: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68121.0 << possibly
assbot: v0.1
asciilifeform did not check the signature
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/intel-subsidiary-fined-for-crypto-export/
assbot: Intel Subsidiary Fined for Crypto Export | Qntra.net
decimation: hashs check the website, fwiw
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history? << yes.
mircea_popescu: but that was long, long ago.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I doubt it, that would be crazy << o yeah ? THE WALLET FILE WAS UNENCRYPTED.
mircea_popescu: FOR TWO YEARS.
decimation: hehe good point
mircea_popescu: do not even get me started. they're using qt for fucks sake.
asciilifeform: incidentally,
asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC ☟︎
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
mircea_popescu: satoshi is like costanza when it comes to implementation. pretty much every choice he has made, be it something to eat, something to wear, has been wrong.
asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC
gribble: Order id 21595 created.
decimation: that bitcoin-0.1 turd definitely depends on db_cxx.h, which seems to be bdb, but that isn't a full answer
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` ^ that something you can do ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: human skin cover optional.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35843 @ 0.00073796 = 26.4507 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation im pretty certain it had flatfiles early on.
decimation: asciilifeform: lol @ your esr cartoon
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in 0.1...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps in satoshi's head?
asciilifeform: srsly what is this, anybody can grab the ancient source
mircea_popescu: so you're saying i have hallucinated this ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00073897 = 8.1287 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you remember yourself, when telling the tale of why you didn't port it to msdos
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no working bdb
asciilifeform: if not for the db crapolade, mine would be running on bare iron even now.
asciilifeform: (can't speak for other folks)
decimation: transactions are definitely stored in a Db * object, which appears to be the bdb C++ interface
mircea_popescu throws hands
mircea_popescu: who the fuck knows. i coulda sworn.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i would genuinely like that book. if someone wishes to make it happen.
asciilifeform: and chances are i'm not the only one.
decimation: asciilifeform: me too
asciilifeform: i'd pay quadruple for an intelligently-commented 'Lions Book'-style item
decimation: printing out your own shit is annoying
asciilifeform: but not sure if anyone is qualified to produce this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform decimation i think it quite likely that once nubsy gets on you'll get your book.
asciilifeform: happy days.
decimation: yeah he's a printin' guy
decimation: The 'independent reserve' guys claim to use gpg signed email for customer support
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that the new emacs has a web-browser mode builtin?
asciilifeform: decimation: did for ages ?
decimation: really? I thought one had to download from the crazy lisp package repo
asciilifeform confesses to being rather uninterested in ugly-as-sin www browsing
asciilifeform: and similarly stallmanesque exercises
asciilifeform: the sooner 'browser' dies as a paradigm, the better:
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems like a good idea on the surface, but in practice 90% of the web will be broken
asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309
assbot: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's true that the 'vision' of downloading and executing arbitrary code is exactly what the world needs
mircea_popescu: decimation no it had a web browser for a long time
asciilifeform: decimation: everybody seems shocked at that one
asciilifeform: decimation: but 'surgeon' and 'maniac' are different items, though each cuts you open while you sleep.
decimation: exactly. And everyone has been told since they were little that execution is dangerous - which is on c-machines
asciilifeform: decimation: in a same computing environment, nothing about 'downloading and executing arbitrary code' is frightening.
undata: asciilifeform: regarding the format wars post, I've fantasized about choosing to build for the canvas tag and forgetting the rest of the browser entirely
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that IBM had to pay $1.5 bn to get rid of their chip business?
asciilifeform: lol yes
undata: just streaming commands to some canvas wrapper via a websocket
asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, this is not like you or i paying a junkman $100 to be rid of an ancient car
decimation: asciilifeform: it makes one sad. "why keep banging head against wall, and digging bigger ditch? why not try something really different"
asciilifeform: decimation: it's laundry / merit-washing. we simply don't know the details.
gabriel_laddel: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/comp.lang.lisp/V7yiSIfLEis/sIhFE4M5yk4J
assbot: Google Groups
gabriel_laddel: ^ related
decimation: yeah I agree. how can a factory that can produce chips which rival intel's lithography 'lose money'?
decimation: either they are really really bad at making chips, or they are really really bad at choosing what to stamp out
asciilifeform: or leverage shenanigans
asciilifeform: that only the gods know the bottom of
asciilifeform: or nsa contract lineup fell through this year
asciilifeform: or, or, or.
decimation: you mean 'friendly' money from usg
decimation: I strongly suspect that spending more money on nsa is going to be politically untenable for the near future
decimation: it will be amusing to see who 'starves'
asciilifeform: as if they needed money.
asciilifeform: the future of u.s. taxation and criminal justice is probably the model of the 'traffic camera.'
asciilifeform: see, e.g., orlov:
asciilifeform: 'With small businesses and private enterprise made illegal, most people will be forced to resort to illegal activities, under the watchful eye of the NSA. But since putting even more people in jail will be prohibitively expensive, a new, streamlined process of dispensing justice will be put into place: the NSA and the Justice Department will link computer systems, and verdicts of fraud and suspended sentences wi
asciilifeform: ll be issued by a computer program, in absentia. In keeping with current practice, both the charge and the evidence will be kept secret. The newly minted felons will be dropped from voter rolls, their passports cancelled, their bank accounts confiscated, and their employment (if any) terminated. They will receive form letters informing them of their sentence but most of them will be unable to read it because fun
asciilifeform: ctional illiteracy rates will go from the current 40% to 80-90%.'
asciilifeform: ^ http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/04/business-as-usual.html
assbot: ClubOrlov: Business as usual
decimation: everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types
asciilifeform: that'd be dept. of state.
decimation: yeah them too
gabriel_laddel: wrong link above. apparently I recorded it by hand. I couldn't find the quote I had intended to post by googling, so here it is: http://pastebin.com/AnDwtySY from Emacs.
assbot: I started to reply at length to the many misstatements in your message. I don - Pastebin.com
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: yes, i linked to this on many occasions
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: wish i could remember where, though
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: google groups is rotting :/
asciilifeform: for years.
decimation: gabriel_laddel: yeah, emacs likes to claim 'self-documenting' but I find the quality of documentation to be pretty poor
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/XpvUwF2xKbk/Xz4Mww0ZwLIJ << original
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15179 @ 0.0007405 = 11.24 BTC [+] {2}
gabriel_laddel: decimation: It's by far the best I've found on UNIX. I've no LispM experiences and so can only imagine.
gabriel_laddel: thank you
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: (linked from ancient post of mine - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=85 )
assbot: Loper OS » The Performance of Lisp, or Why Bean Counters Need Bigger Bags of Beans
decimation: I remember when google took over the old usenet archives, thought they would make them useful rather than let them rot
asciilifeform: they did. briefly.
asciilifeform: 'dejanews' was a cesspool of pestilential spamvertising, the early 'google groups' was a breath of fresh air
mircea_popescu: decimation> everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types <<< only in places which are bored of living.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tired of living - 'жить надоело', heh
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: they didn't have enough sense to make a wot.
mircea_popescu: no wot, no forum/
decimation: http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/what_the_byzantines_can_teach.html
assbot: Articles: What the Byzantines Can Teach Us about Our National Security
asciilifeform: classic
asciilifeform: also the book is neato.
asciilifeform likes luttwak
decimation: "The Byzantines had good spies, but no intelligence bureaucracy at all. Officials involved in the management of espionage performed these functions along with other duties. They never had a bureaucratic hierarchy of intelligence and never thought to create one. "
decimation: yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints
decimation: asciilifeform: you might enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMcoOiOxLf8
assbot: Conversations with History - Edward N. Luttwak - YouTube
mircea_popescu: <decimation> yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints << lol good one.
mircea_popescu: here's the thing tho : they do.
mircea_popescu: just, not a bureaucracy. they need management tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1874 @ 0.00073768 = 1.3824 BTC [-]
decimation: well, it's certainly the case that someone needs to have the 'big picture' in mind and issue instructions, I would think
asciilifeform: generally there are no 'hobbyist spies' - they're called 'armchair generals' or something alike.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect 'armchair general' describes 90% of usg
mircea_popescu: nah, i'll tell you what describes 90% of usg.
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Bill_de_Blasio_and_family.jpg << this.
mircea_popescu: you see this picture ? look well at it, for it's what it looks like. sad, tired, incredibly lonely middle age white guy
mircea_popescu: in a hell of his making.
decimation: pandering the masses must drain the soul
mircea_popescu: clearly in the last place he'd ever be : his own life.
asciilifeform: 'This time of year, this part of Massachusetts is overrun by stampedes of shiny late-model SUVs with New York and New Jersey license plates. They are driven by various subspecies of the middle-aged well-to-do American Office Ogre—the lawyer, the doctor, the dentist, the banker, the lobbyist and the corporate businessman—the people who are attempting to run off with all the loot. The majestic scenery is somew
asciilifeform: hat spoiled by these surly, scowling, raspy-voiced ogres and their flabby, overmedicated wives with voices like an unoiled hinge. When not aimlessly driving around, they sit in upscale restaurants, toying with their food and gossiping menacingly. They have long forgotten what it means to be happy and carefree, and their labored attempts at feigning enjoyment are painful to watch. You can be sure that the sight o
asciilifeform: f poor but happy people makes them quite livid.'
asciilifeform: ^ http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html
assbot: ClubOrlov: August 2010
decimation: asciilifeform: this is probably one reason why usg policy is generally to crush the poor and happy
mircea_popescu: "Many people spent a big chunk of their lives investing in this dream and it didn't pan out quite as we wish."
mircea_popescu: no shortage of sad.
undata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX3rgYRY_zM
assbot: We Called It America - NOFX - YouTube
mircea_popescu: !up gibson
undata: where to move, if we're ash heap bound
asciilifeform: alpha centauri.
asciilifeform: if you can afford it.
mircea_popescu: argentina works.
asciilifeform: just the same as alpha centauri to me.
mircea_popescu: no, the chicks are way better.
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
decimation: http://squid314.livejournal.com/340809.html << "All of the white people who joined Indian tribes loved it and refused to go back to white civilization. All the Indians who joined white civilization hated it and did everything they could to go back to their previous tribal lives."
assbot: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz - Book Review: Empire of the Summer Moon
undata: mircea_popescu: what makes you like Argentina? Things like wealth taxes don't convey a sense of respect for private property, though I can see how that'd be irrelevant to BTC wealth
asciilifeform: decimation: i distinctly remember reading this earlier.
asciilifeform: linked, almost certainly, from here.
asciilifeform: (or was it mircea_popescu ?)
mircea_popescu: undata da fuck do i care about their taxes.
mircea_popescu: but i like everything. i suppose i should spell it out huh.
undata: mircea_popescu: if you want; it wont be actionable for me for years
asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885779 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 02:15:37; asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: what kind of binding?
asciilifeform: ^ this is not merely a printer's job; i can abide neither haphazardly broken lines nor miniscule print.
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/moopay-scam-leads-to-possible-bitstamp-blacklists/
assbot: MooPay Scam Leads to Possible Bitstamp Blacklists | Qntra.net
asciilifeform: what kind of binding << lay-flat only.
asciilifeform: absolutely no perforator or 3-ring.
asciilifeform: could do those myself.
decimation: asciilifeform: as in soft leather cover?
asciilifeform: paper ok
asciilifeform: think 'o'reilly' books
thestringpuller: no leather bound LOTR style?
thestringpuller: why not wizard spellbook style
asciilifeform: if someone wants to do this for no more than 1 btc, sure.
asciilifeform: i specified - minimum.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28376 @ 0.00074074 = 21.0192 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: 1 btc may go a long way in the future ;)
asciilifeform: eh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00073768 = 12.098 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;calc 206000/390
gribble: 528.205128205
thestringpuller: ;;calc 206000 / 315
gribble: 653.968253968
mircea_popescu: undata http://trilema.com/2014/mp-what-do-you-like-about-argentina/ there you go.
assbot: MP, what do you like about Argentina ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thestringpuller: !up bitstein
thestringpuller: !up RagnarsBitch
undata: mircea_popescu: thanks for the write-up
thestringpuller: PinkPosixPXE: nice article on qntra :D
BingoBoingo: !up kncminer_is_a_sc
BingoBoingo: Hello kncminer_is_a_sc
kncminer_is_a_sc: KNCMINER IS A SCAM! 5 month late house burning hardware is Useless now, useless. Refund me you gotterdammerung scammers!
mircea_popescu: kncminer_is_a_sc no shit lmao
kncminer_is_a_sc: Damn you KNC!!!! DAMN YOU STRAIGHT TO HEELLLLLL!!!!
ben_vulpes: "accounts" in btc wallets are kind of stupid, right?
mircea_popescu: kind of ?
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to think of sensible use cases
ben_vulpes: but i keep coming back to "i only want to know the balances and histories of these addresses"
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/ <<
assbot: Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: ya there we go
mircea_popescu: yeah nice piece pixie.
mircea_popescu: undata yer welcome.
mircea_popescu: "He then tried to pay with PayPal, and we unsuspended the machines. About 6 hours later the payments were disputed with PayPal as unauthorized and we then suspended again." << wow, carding too ?!
mircea_popescu: perfect pretext for bitstamp to steal even more coins.
mircea_popescu: just in case it's not obvious already, keeping any balances on bitstamp or sending any bitcoin to bitstamp is beyond retarded.
mircea_popescu: try to not do that so you don't ned up like the 62c5186b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.197.24.107 retard.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of knc, check out what i found : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg1776663#msg1776663
assbot: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com
ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/AmerBanker/status/524293068309008384
assbot: Manifesto Vows to Give Consumers Control of Digital Identitieshttp://t.co/CRZsd73VUgby /SarahLizChar http://t.co/PDY66TFmzd
ThickAsThieves: nice pic
mircea_popescu: i dun get it.
mircea_popescu: how do consumers not have such control ? or ?
ThickAsThieves: it's a woman lookin like she shit her pants, from Ripple, saying,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62695 @ 0.00074101 = 46.4576 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "Innovation isnt inherently incompatible with regulation"
mircea_popescu: course it isn't.
mircea_popescu: the usg however, IS inherently incompatible with regulation.
mircea_popescu: because we're making the rules, not the fucking other way around, what is this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3305 @ 0.00074123 = 2.4498 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: do we each get to make a rule?
mircea_popescu: sure. and enforce it, too.
ThickAsThieves: scam
mircea_popescu: better scam than sorry.
mircea_popescu: ripple's problem is more like "we enabled some scammers stealing a buncha coins" tho.
decimation: one can see why they would need to convince usg why they are very good little slaves
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: already convicted otherwise. better be useful.
decimation: since usg is a dim and neglectful master, they get away with it
mircea_popescu: it's funny that the us lost the "innovation" war back in 2013, and then lost the finance war. no smart kids, no rich kids,
mircea_popescu: its only hope now rests with the felons.
mircea_popescu: who knows, perhaps it has enough criminals that they become a significant minority in the new world, giving it some claim.
mircea_popescu: sad.
decimation: the us has plenty of high iq people, it's just that in general their efforts are misdirected into idiocy
mircea_popescu: so what's that do for me ?
ThickAsThieves: ripple is basically grasping for, Bitcoin for Banks, All the tech, none of the darkwebmunny
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, it and all the 500 other derps.
undata: decimation: or they get so depressed they barely function
mircea_popescu: "we have yet another version of bitcoin without bitcoin, choose us, because this works!!11"
ThickAsThieves: Bonus Undocumented Feature: Print Bitcoins!
decimation: this is a peculiar habit in the us: trying to find a 'technical' solution for a very human problem
mircea_popescu: like dildos ?
decimation: heh
mircea_popescu: but it props the economy! :D
mircea_popescu: undata is that experience speaking ?
ThickAsThieves: conserve energy!
undata: mircea_popescu: I've seen it happen to friends brighter than I am.
undata: as for me, I keep myself moving hoping to strike at the thing myself someday
undata: but I've yet to make a pile, so that comes first
mircea_popescu: ic
asciilifeform: not one in ten thousand shall leave the mines.
asciilifeform: that's sorta how it works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, but i dun believe so.
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone leaves the mines. part of why "big government" is so lulzy.
asciilifeform: 'leave the mines' - live as idle gentleman scholar.
mircea_popescu: i mean... how many east germans joined west germany ? ... all of em ?
asciilifeform: a la taleb
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: we were talkin of different things
asciilifeform sees arbeit macht frei as arbeit macht frei under whatever flag, equally odious
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he did say 'I've yet to make a pile' - suggestive of the usual lament of folks who despair of ever buying their freedom
asciilifeform: (esp. while young enough to make something constructive of it)
undata: eh, I'll get there
PinkPosixPXE: Thanks thestringpuller and mircea_popescu :)
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 857.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.56 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s
pete_dushenski: ;;rate cazalla 1 news anchor at qntra.net
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
pete_dushenski: ;;rate BingoBoingo 2 news anchor, blogger, spinozan.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user BingoBoingo has changed from 1 to 2.
pete_dushenski: ;;rate nubbins` 2 canuckistani, printer of fine things.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user nubbins` has been recorded.
othernubs`: d'aww
pete_dushenski: othernubs` twas overdue ;)
pete_dushenski: ;;rate asciilifeform 2 loper, maker, the go-to for infosec.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
pete_dushenski: i think that's all the catching up for now.
Vexual: you've lied to me
pete_dushenski: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/4-banks-including-jpmorgan-fined-in-europe-over-cartel-behavior/
pete_dushenski: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/why-high-frequency-trading-is-so-hard-to-regulate/ << because what's mpex anyways?
othernubs`: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZvVKFM9
gribble: The operation succeeded.
othernubs`: separared into chapters! oh my.
othernubs`: might be a fun lil project, we'll see
kakobrekla: jesus nubbs so poor cant afford tx fee
bounce: othernubs`, asciilifeform: how many actual code (C, C++, etc.) lines exceed 80 characters?
thickasthieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/21/7027267/google-launches-support-for-security-key-a-simpler-kind-of-two-factor
assbot: Google launches support for Security Key, a simpler kind of two-factor authentication | The Verge
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> cazalla BingoBoingo derpndesk.com/bitnet-lands-14-5-million-series-funding-rival-coinbase-bitpay/ << and somehow in spite of all these "investement" nobody is buying the shorts pretty much.
mircea_popescu: such strange money.
mircea_popescu: * Adlai must admit that he first misread that headline as "BitBet lands $14.5M ..." << da fuck would bitbet do with 15mn.
bounce: spend it on hookers and blow
Adlai: s/spend/invest/
bounce: then it's "no touching the merchandise"
kakobrekla: new css
kakobrekla: shady logo
kakobrekla: and a KYC team
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZvVKFM9 <<< i like this shit.
kakobrekla: over wifi.
mircea_popescu: you two are doing it right.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "know your cunt" ?
kakobrekla: know your chump doh
mircea_popescu: oh sorry
mircea_popescu: On 15 June 1961, two months before the construction of the Berlin Wall started, First Secretary of the Socialist Unity Party and Staatsrat chairman Walter Ulbricht stated in an international press conference, "Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten!" <<< nobody has any intention to fuck up bitcoin o.O
mike_c: ;;rate nubbins` trustworthy numismatic and printer
gribble: Error: 'trustworthy' is not a valid integer.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1AT9JWJ.txt )
mircea_popescu: !b 2 ✂︎
RagnarDanneskjol: ha
mike_c: ;;rate nubbins` 1 trustworthy numismatic and printer
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.
pete_dushenski: ok, ima give this qntra news thing another hack.
othernubs`: shame deedbot is down
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
pete_dushenski: [–]gavinandresen[S] 26 points an hour ago Biggest misconception: That Bitcoin will Topple Governments and the Powerful. Governments will do what they always do -- they will adapt (well, the worst ones will fail, causing misery and suffering; maybe Bitcoin will speed that up a little, and mitigate the misery a little).
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski oyu know, if anyone gave a shit about either gavin or reddit they'd just go there.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu granted :)
RagnarDanneskjol: deedbot is actually up - in here under different nick - just the server it lives on failed security audit
kakobrekla: wait what?
RagnarDanneskjol: yea
RagnarDanneskjol: punkman's ver is getting very close too
kakobrekla: punkmans deedbot runs on one of my droplets
kakobrekla: a you speak of the carcas
RagnarDanneskjol: talkin bout the old one
pete_dushenski: hey logs are back... just missing 5-16h
kakobrekla: what you are looking at atm is unlive version of logs
mircea_popescu: unlive, you mean dead ?
kakobrekla: its not dead, just not live
mircea_popescu: dead logs, by jim kakoosh
RagnarDanneskjol: is there a zip/torrent of all logs avail somewhere?
kakobrekla: i can make a zip
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ba_log_gibblet.txt << for those who missed...
RagnarDanneskjol: would be most grateful for it
bounce: ``I'd rather not speculate in an open forum about the best ways to screw with Bitcoin.'' (Perish_In_a_Fire) -- aww.
asciilifeform: ^ last 2000 ln.
mircea_popescu: what, our security lies in obscurity now ?
ben_vulpes: it'd be neat if he'd differentiate between Bitcoin the reference implementation which is bug-ridden and shitty, and Bitcoin the protocol which doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: so "governments" will prevail, as fucking if there can even be such a thing as a government other than bitcoin ; and bitcoin gotta hide its misshapen form in the dark.
mircea_popescu: i totally wish to read more idiocy from this gavin puppet.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform saves the day
kakobrekla: literally.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it exists, it's just not been made.
kakobrekla: anyway RagnarDanneskjol what do you want in the zip? csv? sql? a puddle? daily files?
Adlai is quite curious to see what happens if/when changes such as a the blocksize hardfork get pushed to the reference implementation
mircea_popescu: this is sort-of like wanting to see what happens if/when the soviets finally decide to cross fulda ?
Adlai: "some people just wanna see the world burn" ^_^
mircea_popescu: i'm all for it, the level of either cluelessness or desperation such a move entails is promising.
Adlai: such a drastic change would definitely cast this issue (and others) into the limelight, until now it's been confined to a few IRC channels and blog posts
bounce: with enough hashrate on 0.6 (or whichever, maintained etc.) and staying there, hardforks are bound to fizzle. could try and talk to large pool operators.
Adlai: as much as the timecube's four days revolve around the WoT, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who have heard about the hardfork proposal haven't heard any competing argument against it
mats_cd03: so?
mats_cd03: the only opinion that matters is that of miners.
mats_cd03: and... they won't let themselves get shit on.
Adlai: miners are people too, and people don't always make the best decisions. even if they act rationally, they might not be aware of all the information about an issue.
mats_cd03: uh...
chetty: You've long been a proponent of the "Bitcoin is an experiment" line of thinking. While that is technically true, so is "Gravity is just a theory". What needs to happen for you to switch from "Bitcoin is an experiment" to "Bitcoin is established"?
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chetty: We need regulatory clarity, ease of use, and no-single-point-of-failure security.
chetty: I think we're very close on all of those things.
RagnarDanneskjol: kakobrekla - sorry nevermind -apparently Azelphur has everything logged since the beginning of time. I can throw it up somewhere for whoevers wants it
Adlai: gavin on the hardfork: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jw5pm/im_gavin_andresen_chief_scientist_at_the_bitcoin/clfns8j?context=3
assbot: gavinandresen comments on I'm Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation. Ask me anything!
mircea_popescu: Adlai the "most people" argument is pretty much nil.
mircea_popescu: most bitcoin reads mp way before it remembers who the fuck this gavin schmuck is.
mircea_popescu: because money doesn't think all that much of code monkeys. and definitely isn't going to start taking their ideas of how to manage things seriously.
Adlai: how closely coupled are "most bitcoin" and "most hashrate"?
mircea_popescu: it hasn't happened yet, in 100 years of computing.
mircea_popescu: most hashrate is a secondary factor here.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision.
diametric: maybe i'm mistaken but doesn't the white paper basically state a hard fork will be required in the future to address scalability?
mircea_popescu: their failure was signalled to them within minutes, and they obeyed that signal in an hour.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin will work no different.
othernubs`: ah, i forgot you can disable the backlight on this thing
othernubs`: outdoor irc, here i cum
mircea_popescu: diametric among a bevy of similar nonsense.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision. // btw that was pretty impressive
mircea_popescu: after a fashion.
kakobrekla: RagnarDanneskjol if you can put them in order i can include them online (before the log starts)
Adlai: it'd be a little funny if all the devs agreed to the hardfork, got a working patch together, then went miner by miner and couldn't get a single one to agree to switch
RagnarDanneskjol: ok
mircea_popescu: they'd just be a iota more ridiculously pointless than they are today
mircea_popescu: which in the grand scheme of things isn't really much at all. they've already fucked the goat in the public market long ago
mircea_popescu: eating some earthworms or w/e isn't really doing much anymore.
mircea_popescu: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 829946.86 in 1463 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 76.75
mircea_popescu: heh.
xanthyos: apparently canada is adding plastic content to its fiat paper to make it less rippable. the fiat may not be backed, but reinforced paper will fool the masses
thestringpuller: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46921): 0 hour(s), 5 minutes
xanthyos: and it has a picture of the queen on it, so that's worth something.
othernubs`: xanthyos, 100% polymer notes for a while now
othernubs`: they're neat, i'll sell ya one
mircea_popescu: dude this "father of invention" flic is the most god awful pandering piece of shit
mircea_popescu: it'd almost work as a parody of the redditard generation, except spacey is playing it full straight.
mircea_popescu: he should be fucking flogged for this one.
othernubs`: it's rare to see a paper banknote nowadays
othernubs`: xanthyos, postage is about $2 to usa, what denomination you want?
othernubs`: 5/10/20/50/100
xanthyos: the lowest
xanthyos: nevermind i dont' need this
xanthyos: it's silly
xanthyos: but thanks for the offer
othernubs`: haha
othernubs`: :D
othernubs`: pictures sort-of do them justice
othernubs`: altho the clear panel is way cooler in person
mircea_popescu: lol failed impulse buy. oh #b-a whay are you such a mall!
othernubs`: haha inorite
othernubs`: he prolly realized his local bank stocks CAD
mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard
xanthyos: i'm not a collector
mircea_popescu: no, he prolly realised that he doesn't need it or want to use it and it'll just gather dust
mircea_popescu: !up manamex
othernubs` glances at his coin collection
othernubs`: yeah, prolly ;/
mircea_popescu: !up pakaloloz
pakaloloz: Good Morning.
othernubs`: hi
othernubs`: welcome, even!
thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard haven't seen you in awhile
pakaloloz: so BTCJAM aka BTCSCAM announced... "We are happy to announce that we have added bank account & credit card verification!"
pakaloloz: How scary....
Adlai: so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". coincidence? i think not!
pakaloloz: I do think this may be as DPB says "#badforbitcoin"
Adlai hasn't figured out yet whether any of what happens on btcjam is not btcscam
Adlai: although admittedly i've spent a grand total of about fifteen seconds trying
kakobrekla: <Adlai> so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". < you be in wrong channels
mircea_popescu: Adlai there's not that much in a name.
Adlai will ask gavi what he thinks of the hardfork
fluffypony: http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/21/we-rode-a-hoverboard/?ncid=rss_truncated
assbot: We rode a $10,000 hoverboard, and you can too
fluffypony: want.
xanthyos: hoverboards don't work on water. not unless you have power.
asciilifeform: 'theoretically raise a building off of its foundation during an earthquake, essentially rendering the natural disaster's tremors harmless' << newton's laws crying from neglect
asciilifeform: the leper's bell of retarded sc4mz0rz - a flagrant and malignant disregard for elementary physics
xanthyos: but if the ground unit vibrated so too would its magnetic field and thus the building
xanthyos: though it would absorb shock
asciilifeform: why should it absorb shock?
asciilifeform: not that an electromagnetic shock absorber is impossible - it exists, and has for years - but no magic here.
asciilifeform: and magnetically-floated item is not resting on 'nothing at all', yes.
xanthyos: well there would have to be magnets in the ground to create the field for the building to be repulsed from in the event of an earthquake
asciilifeform: i have a very special, very deep loathing for 'kickstart' sc4mz0rs. especially of this particular species.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, to be fair it's not the newton's law that is neglected here, but the fact that you won't get a magnetic field even close to be powerfull enough to support that weight
asciilifeform: nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object.
mike_c: on kickstarter those guys are selling a hover board for $450 that.. doesn't hover.
xanthyos: that propagated vibration would be less than the vibration the building would experience without the field gap between it and the ground magnets
Apocalyptic: "and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object." that's assuming a magnetic field of constant power, right ?
asciilifeform: they are selling 'hope, chance,' chope, hange.
xanthyos: unless they were "smartmagnets" that could generate the inverse wave to the vibration to cancel it out in the same way that some car radios use microphones to cancel out road noise
xanthyos: of course, a hacker could then simulate an earthquake on that building to the same extent of magnitude that the smartmagnets were designed to resist against
asciilifeform: say ground moves 20cm down and then 30cm back up, earthquake. or fell into a ditch. cancel that.
pete_dushenski: lol these contravex commenters are getting angrier and angrier: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/#comment-3605
assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
xanthyos: oh if the ground level changes that much there's no way a magnetic field could hold it consistently
xanthyos: project fail.
xanthyos: also the bouncing of the building would put equal force on the ground and magnetically try to push away the ground structure even more
mircea_popescu: o look, there's a 20 yo junior rabbi in the house. lmao.
mircea_popescu: bounce it works splendidly too.
mircea_popescu: ;;google ludovico dandolo
gribble: Andrea Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dandolo>; Francesco Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Dandolo>; Giovanni Dandolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Dandolo>
othernubs`: speaking of unobtainium, these metallic inks are getting us a bunch of jobs lately. offset printers can suck it
mircea_popescu: visited the man's grave, too. he was the first and the thickest cock to rape byzantium.
mircea_popescu: you know, like obama, the us ally, was the first and perhaps the thickest cock to rape washington.
bounce: wouldn't benevolence require some sort of intelligence or something?
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, it is begging the question.
mircea_popescu: obviously nothing in nature can be "benevolent" seeing how human agency is an ulterior layer.
mircea_popescu: it's like asking for an "app aware" tcp/ip implementation.
mircea_popescu: othernubs` i tell you, i love my gold ink cards.
bounce: inasmuch as that humanity is part of nature, though picturing itself above it.
mircea_popescu: bounce no, inasmuch as fist though your skull moves the matter of your skull around in one way, but MEANS in a number of different arbitrary ways
bounce: this doesn't compute. take your hand outta my brains and try again?
othernubs`: mircea_popescu, latest job is biz cards and letterheads w/ gold ink for a boutique hotel
mircea_popescu: bounce i dunno how.
mircea_popescu: let's try it this way. suppose there's a cathedral tower with a clock.
mircea_popescu: what's the time ?
othernubs`: depends how far away the tower is
mircea_popescu: othernubs` o, you want fist in skull too ?
othernubs`: HEH
othernubs`: tell me i'm wrong ;)
othernubs` cackles
mircea_popescu: you're not wrong or right, we're not there yet. just waiting for bounce to pick a time.
othernubs`: do it, bounce!
bounce: well, try this on first: "tcp/ip" generally refers to the whole stack. supposing you really ment IP (layer 3, conventionally), then "app aware" (with app: layer 7) would be a bit of a layer violation.
mircea_popescu: bounce exactly my point.
mircea_popescu: "benevolence" as an objective quality is a layer violation.
bounce: I ment that layer 7 still needs the lower layers to function, it doesn't float in air
mircea_popescu: no, it doesn't need them "to function", because it functioning is not a layer 7 thing.
undata: well and even among apps, "benevolence" could be defined differently
mircea_popescu: undata awareness, not benevolence. map correctly!
undata: that's a much harder term to define.
bounce: what is benevolence, really? apparently we can have malicious packets and software, but benevolent ones?
bounce: er, tcp doesn't do crap without ip to transport it. the layers do build on each other
Adlai: malefactors gonna malefact but packets just pack
chetty: isnt the difference between malicious and benevolent and mattr of viewpoint?
mircea_popescu: bounce that is just a manner of speaking.
mircea_popescu: they're obviously not malicious in and of themselves.
Adlai: well there is a missing object. malice and benevolence don't exist in a vacuum, they have to be directed at something
mircea_popescu: just, the fucktards that write about things they don;'t understand, when they're not busy husslking pete in his comment section,
bounce: it does include a value judgement. so it'd require a judging facility
mircea_popescu: misuse the words.
mircea_popescu: bounce it's irrelevant what it "does" at the level where ip is defined, see ?
mircea_popescu: stop mixing utility into ideality, that's not how thinking works.
bounce: "zomg rude!" -- some new guy with no clue of the local rules. << appears to be an american thing?
mircea_popescu: makes no difference "what use is the sun to us", that's an ontological point not an ethical one.
bounce: so there's no ethics to archimedes' mirrors?
mircea_popescu: none.
mircea_popescu: othernubs`> imagine living in a world where logic can fail <<< that's life in a "social sciences" universe.
mircea_popescu: their logic fails all the god damned time, mostly because it's not logic, self-supported, it's dreamweaving
mircea_popescu: and dreamweaving MUST be constantly maintained.
bounce: warzones typically are unhinging because there's no rhyme or reason to the happenings.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ << this is incidentally great reading on the topic, albeit in languages. ☟︎
assbot: Inchipuiti-va pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bounce: (thus we conclude that wars are applied social science)
mircea_popescu: not rly.
bounce: Y U NO LIEK my logic?
mircea_popescu: warzones are "unhinging" because the complexity of "society" is a function of the mean distance between individual and his own death
mircea_popescu: if that is reduced significantly, the need for some forms goes away.
mircea_popescu: that's why the classical, 19th century murican has the reputation of being uncouth and direct and undecourous in europe
mircea_popescu: cuz he got to see his own death on average a lot closer than the average yurpean
bounce: I'd say the predictability is the more valued property there
mircea_popescu: how so ?
bounce: if everybody lives to, say, 30, then dies without fail, it's a fact of life
mircea_popescu: you ever been in a warzone ?
chetty: bounce, ever see 'Logan's Run' ?
bounce: no, and I'd like to keep it that way, TYVM
mircea_popescu: but it's nonsense. who the fuck thinks about "the future" lol. people in a warzone think about cunt, and maybe good cognac.
bounce: haven't seen it, roughly know the plot. probably should take the time sometime.
chetty: people died at 30 ...
mircea_popescu: to think about "your career" you gotta be so far away from a warzone your head'd be spinning
thestringpuller: ;;google keep their heads spinnin
gribble: Dr. Dre - Keep Their Heads Ringin' - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbnf9qCmhI>; Why Figure Skaters Don't Seem Dizzy After Spinning: <http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/01/figure-skaters-dont-seem-dizzy-spinning/>; THE READY SET LYRICS - Spinnin' - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/readyset/spinnin.html>
thestringpuller: ah ringin'
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> thestringpuller: where are you finding those dumps? I ended up writing a scraper... << twas in the chan like n times, but : bitcoin-otc.com/otc/
undata: it's interesting that one could ask himself whether it's ethical to establish the conditions necessary for ethical reasoning, but only under the necessary conditions...
mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?!
mircea_popescu: one can ask no ethical questions about ontos.
mircea_popescu: you can ask, "is it ethical to kill this man", you can not ask "is it ethical for this man to have been killed." obviously, he's dead, so nevermind.
undata: right, ethics concerns action
mircea_popescu: and confusing "was it ethical for this man to be kiled at he point in the past when he was" with "is it" is so fuckin dumb
undata: I was proceeding from the point about war
mircea_popescu: it automatically paints one as an intellectual failure of the english speaking school of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's no ethical violation in the dead being dead, no matter how they got to be there, nor in the raped to be dripping cum, nor in any other thing that is. they're fine as they are ; being trumps fretting.
undata: or, the present is all there is
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: depends where you're going with it.
undata: talking about what's ethical in the present is hard to generalize
undata: that's what I was referring to above re: apps
undata: depends on what your goals are, and why, and why, and why
undata: modern neuroscience makes that "you" itself harder to define by the day
BingoBoingo: Fuck, is nothing newsworthy ever going to drop today?
thestringpuller: hahaha
BingoBoingo: I mean there's the Gavin Q/A, people recycling yesterday's news, and... is anything else happening?
undata: BingoBoingo: need moar ebola to get off or something? ha
bounce: start a bitcoin enterprise or something. then you can report on it yourself.
thestringpuller: http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/mit-computer-scientists-can-predict-price-bitcoin
assbot: MIT computer scientists can predict the price of Bitcoin | MIT News
bounce: got any A series VC?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Other oulets reported that already. I remember thickasthieves making fun of them.
thestringpuller: thats all i got
Adlai: wonderful headline inflation there
thestringpuller: mit is lame
bounce: what's this "digital identity framework", other than a couple highfalutin' bullet points?
bounce: ``OMS is a trusted compute platform for developing and deploying secure cloud applications to collect, compute on and share personal data.'' -- apparently in the end it all hinges on "trust us, we have this centralised framework being trustworthy and shit"... again.
jurov: mircea_popescu ...runs code for a third party...<< this is same problem as DRM, i.e. you meed to prevent hardware owner to mucking out with third party code
mike_c: BingoBoingo: here's your headline: "Army Research Office funds bitcoin price research"
jurov: and it isn't solved at all for such general purpose case
bounce: it apparently start with openid. huh.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Good one
bounce: s/start/&s/
mike_c: from (retarded) mit paper: "This work was supported in part by NSF grants CMMI=1335155 and CNS-1161964, and by Army Research Office MURI Award W911NF-11-1-0036.
bounce: if you dig a little deeper, see if you can't find the list of NSF grant numbers known to originate at the NSA
BingoBoingo: Interesting
kakobrekla: !up undata
assbot: [MPEX] [U] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00073875 = 4.8388 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29670 @ 0.00073632 = 21.8466 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25525 @ 0.00073587 = 18.7831 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25525 @ 0.00073587 = 18.7831 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: bounce: No, manul post, that way it isn't spamming
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34800 @ 0.00073592 = 25.61 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object. // this is true but of no help to the argument, since if you can predict the amplitude/frequency of the "earthquake", you can impose the same variations on the intensity of the current generating your magnetic field
bounce: that means you'd be amplifying the whole thing
Apocalyptic: hence making the object go up or down relatively to the magnetic support, nullifying the eartquake (again all this in theory)
Apocalyptic: well bounce for the sake of the argument let's take the magnetic field generated by a simple solenoid
Apocalyptic: its strength is linear in I
Apocalyptic: what is this "whole thing" you consider ?
bounce: sure you can build a magnetic dampener; things with antiphase and enough room to move and things
Apocalyptic: afaik that was the topic yes
bounce: that doesn't mean that a big large fixed magnetic field will magically cushion any and all vibration, which I understand was the point
Apocalyptic: bounce, never I have seen the word "fixed"
bounce: it was pretty much implied
bounce: "here, magnetic field. problem solved." -- nooo, not quite
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> // of course it's not, and nobody is contesting that. It just can made to have that sort of behaviour << that depends.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites << Male 195 Female 9 shit's funny.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, quantcast also seems to think thestringpuller is invisible
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> its strength is linear in I << think about it. your field, want it or not, is a field. A field.
mircea_popescu: the movement of the underlying terrain, like it or not, is not uniform.
mircea_popescu: what are you going to do with one bick cock when confronted with ten thousand tiny microscopic cunts ?
mircea_popescu: it dun go.
mircea_popescu: you're gonna hope it averages out, but in practical reality you will have constructed a magnetic building toppler.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, yeah, I assumed a simple, uniform, vertical translation as the movement
mircea_popescu: well ?
mircea_popescu: you can do the actual math involved, see the probability of your building ending up on the larger surface at the end of it all.
Apocalyptic: cause this all is "in theory"
mircea_popescu: it's mostly a function of its height and perimeter.
mircea_popescu: but it's not really a theory, more like a daydreaming, see ?
mircea_popescu: cause it doesn't properly account for the world, just for what the theorizer'd like.
Apocalyptic: indeed it does
mircea_popescu: which is how good theories are started, of course
mircea_popescu: but not what they actually are.
Apocalyptic: I was just merely showing a theoretical model where it does work
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess for a spherical vacuum earthquake it may help.
BingoBoingo: http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits./
assbot: Political Polarization & Media Habits | Pew Research Center's Journalism Project
mircea_popescu: who puts a dot in the url.
bounce: they're like, the next hot thing
mircea_popescu: is this some sort of new media, fuck up people's grepping ?
BingoBoingo: Awful people
bounce: used to be commas in urls were a thing
mircea_popescu: at least those aren't special chars in regex
thickasthieves: <@assbot> [MPEX] [U] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00073875 = 4.8388 BTC [-] ------ what's a [U]?
bounce doesn't mention the slashes
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves apparently assbot had a little trouble coming back.
cazalla: morning, no hang over today and sun is shining
kakobrekla is doing heart transplant on assbot ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urBbHrJnSmE
assbot: Bob Marley Sun Is Shining - YouTube
thickasthieves: does U mean something otherwise?
kakobrekla: unknown
thickasthieves: ah
bounce: apparently this "liberals" vs. "conservatives" thing has ameritardia thoroughly paralysed.
mircea_popescu: what is it even supposed to be anyway ?
thickasthieves: an excuse to do nothing but argue about doing nothing
bounce: oh hey, isn't that nice. instead of some js that'll popup a "[tweet] [fb]" thingy every time you select a bit of text, this here bunch has convenient prefab tweets with url and approved text that you but have to click on to tweet.
mircea_popescu: im sure it's all the win in social media.
undata: bounce: regarding repub/dem... anyone with a shred of intelligence has seen through it; however, those two parties have too much control over the election process to change anything
bounce: railroading, the new driver of discourse
mircea_popescu: bounce you realise what excellent seo this all is.
mircea_popescu: like, if you were google, right ? wouldn't you be fucking impressed to see the same text from 50 profiles all the damned time ?
bounce: with complete identical text and everything. bit-for-bit copies.
mircea_popescu: "i know, let's pay bob from Consultancy DerpAces LLC a million funbux so he can write an AI expert system that'll generate the text our readers would have put out! Save them the trouble!"
bounce: I'm like, "anybody click on that?" but [like] is a rather popular button too, no matter where you find the little fucker
mircea_popescu: tbh one of the things i like most about qntra is that there's no god damned "social media integration"
bounce: obxref cowclicker, but webscale.
bounce has a bunch of that blocked in hosts, but they keep coming up with new SMRTness
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I assume people are perfectly capable of transporting urls to social media on their own.
mircea_popescu: bounce i just don't run js. does a lot.
bounce: ``The Pew Research Center\u2019s Journalism Project, founded in 1997 as the Project for Excellence in Journalism, seeks to assess the state of news and information in a changing society.'' -- that prefab tweet thing brought to you by these guys. party on! excellent!
bounce: must be an american shop. no sense of irony.
mircea_popescu: well they got this fake "irony" which is mostly badly done sarcasm
mircea_popescu: (ie, the lowest form of wit)
bounce: 1615 L Street, NW, Suite 700, washington, dc. there you go.
thickasthieves: omg this arguing for bits and ubits conversation makes me wanna line reddites and punch them one by one
thickasthieves: line up
mircea_popescu: bits and ubits ?
bounce: the kind of irony you get from that song
Apocalyptic: the name that should be given to 10^-8 BTC
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you should watch Inside Llewyn Davis btw
thickasthieves: like the denomination
thickasthieves: ive seen it
mircea_popescu: it's quite accurate, very scalable, a pleasure.
kakobrekla: test
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0R32MNS.txt )
kakobrekla: !b 1 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic lmao the collection of nobodies are going to rename the satoshi ?
thickasthieves: the saddest part of the movie is nothing ever happens
Apocalyptic: it does seem they are trying at least
mircea_popescu: here's an idea, how about we have a poll in fucking uganda about what the us dollar should be called.
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be the ng'pula from now on.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves o you saw it ?
BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/a-clash-of-clans-addiction-nearly-sank-the-royals-seaso-1648848299 << Mobile Gaming
assbot: A Clash Of Clans Addiction Nearly Sank The Royals' Season
bounce: n!pula then please. no pansy ' shit
mircea_popescu: it's not sad, it's great. that's exactly it. nothing ever happens.
thickasthieves: yeah, i like the actor, and the premise
thickasthieves: but felt a little wanting at the end
thickasthieves: i guess thats the point
mircea_popescu: i think the actor's an idiot that can't either act or sing, but that's okay : for one thing, so is timberlake. for the other : that's exactly the part.
mircea_popescu: like bridget fonda in jackie brown
mircea_popescu: that's exactly her job in life, being fucked in the ass for bubblegum and then shot in the stomach and left to bleed in a parking lot.
thickasthieves: lol alrighty then!
thickasthieves: yknow i felt the same way about jackie brown
thickasthieves: but i was a totally different person when i last watched it
mircea_popescu: that bridget fonda bitchlet fucking ruined city hall.
mircea_popescu: i'd have paid money to have the script altered so she gets run over by a bus.
thickasthieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dQW-9CgJy8
assbot: Tech Tuesday - BitCoin - YouTube
thickasthieves: includes chix saying bitcoin
mircea_popescu: !up Buzhang
Buzhang: hey!
mircea_popescu: ello
thickasthieves: http://www.corriere.it/tecnologia/economia-digitale/14_ottobre_20/phishing-comuni-hacker-bitcoin-ricatto-c457694c-5831-11e4-9d12-161d65536dad.shtml
assbot: tecnologia - economia-digitale Corriere della Sera
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00073587 = 7.5795 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.05424999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,397.
thickasthieves: this MIT price prediction paper is such a cocktease
Buzhang: what is bitcoin
thickasthieves: it basically says more modelling would be requried to learn anything meaningful
Azelphur: Buzhang: it's a series of tubes.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves mit paper "we need more money" news at 1.2.3.4.5.6.etc
Buzhang: !s kim kardashian
assbot: 14 results for 'kim kardashian' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kim+kardashian
thickasthieves: !s kardassian
assbot: 0 results for 'kardassian' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kardassian
jurov: mircea_popescu: even if second satoshi came and enable doing it safely, would you yourself lend your machines to the cloud for $0.01/hour (currently going price)?
Buzhang: !s *
assbot: Error - search.bicoin-assets.com : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2A
Buzhang: !s a
assbot: 103062 results for 'a' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=a
kakobrekla: !down Buzhang
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/im-gavin-andresen-and-welcome-to-jackass/
assbot: I'm Gavin Andresen And Welcome To Jackass | Qntra.net
Apocalyptic: jurov, h
Apocalyptic: *what specs for this price ?
jurov: Apocalyptic doesn't matter. even if the machine may be beefy, it is unpredictably intermittent
mircea_popescu: jurov a) how is 0.01 an hour the current going price ? b) motherboard 50bux, cpu 100 bux, memory 50 bux, hdd 50 bux. don't need a monitor.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.01 * 24 * 365 / 300
gribble: 0.292
mircea_popescu: seems a 29% yearly return is not the worst fate.
jurov: you forgot electricity :)
mircea_popescu: well yea, $0 is the currently going price for that
mircea_popescu: if we're making up numbers, why not/.
Apocalyptic: also to nitpick the prices you listed add up to $250n not $300 :)
kakobrekla: 4
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i felt generous.
jurov: and it's ballpark figure for spot instances, why would our price be vastly different?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22118 @ 0.00073583 = 16.2751 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: jurov if you mean spot instances such as amazon or w/e, a) those come with riders and b) try and get a dedicated ip say.
jurov: a) is better and cheaper solved by distribution of $maxint mass produced boxen than relying on users to diy
mircea_popescu: but this aside : yes if this existed i'd be using it pretty much exclusively
jurov: where you can control the whole machine
mircea_popescu: jurov you're missing the key point of it, which is, no government gets a say in what code runs.
mircea_popescu: this is something amazon can never provide.
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 4830.06 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s
jurov: waitwait... and how do you prevent govt being one of highest bidders?
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 19.36233458 BTC. Current weight: 50,351.
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls.
cazalla: Qntra has surpassed 100 posts btw
mircea_popescu: yay.
jurov: what can be done right now, maybe, platform for exchanging machines between DCs?
jurov: as in, you can host spares for other services and vice versa to be switched quickly in case of ddos?
jurov: or peer-to-peer operated CDN?
jurov: there is existent software for this, just some business mastermind to monetize it
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/#c4173 << check it out, they managed to break the urls. << bitbet has a broken url
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00073689 = 4.7161 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.8359 BTC. Current weight: 62,167.
kakobrekla: jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#886501 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 20:59:10; *: kakobrekla is doing heart transplant on assbot
jurov: and brain stays the same?
kakobrekla: ye
pete_dushenski: http://www.terrajoule.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Forecasted-Prices-Million-btu-in-the-Year-2020.png
kakobrekla: http://www.terrajoule.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Forecasted-Prices-Million-btu-in-the-Year-2020.png
kakobrekla: now only to cut the head off and we are done
mod6: at least ur defibulator works
kakobrekla: :)
kakobrekla: also installed pacemaker
pete_dushenski: "by breeding draft horses that ran on cultivated, nutrient-dense fodder, [Europe saw] substantially lowered transportation costs. This allowed the value of northwestern Europe's bulk transportation networks to radically increase and made it very nearly as inevitable that that region would be the pioneers of the industrial revolution."
BingoBoingo: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/75/2/498.full.pdfhttp://circ.ahajournals.org/content/75/2/498.full.pdf
mod6: haha hopefully minus jvm
jurov: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1243275397/air-umbrella u can make everyone else wet nao
assbot: Air umbrella by Air umbrella — Kickstarter
jurov: also, hair :/
ben_vulpes: code review, please: https://www.refheap.com/92123
assbot: anonymous's paste: 92123
kakobrekla added a proxy to site title parser so assbots ip is not sniffable that way anymore
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes 0.5.3!
ben_vulpes: yup.
pete_dushenski: ilike.
Apocalyptic: regarding: "20 sed -i '/USE_UPNP:=0/d' ./makefile.unix", why not USE_UPNP:=- ?
ben_vulpes: rips out UPNP support.
jurov: ;;later tell othernubs` just make one big scroll. turing machine needs turing tape!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Apocalyptic: exactly, you want it ?
ben_vulpes: do I?
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: do let me know if there's a good reason to keep UPNP in there.
jurov: disablewallet=1 would not work with 0.5.3
Apocalyptic: well if you don't I don't see the point in the '0',
Apocalyptic: there is not
ben_vulpes: oh oh
Apocalyptic: but then just replace the '0' with a hyphen
jurov: also rpcpassword is required
Apocalyptic: nukes it straight away (and yes there actually is (or was) 3 levels for that var in the makefile, 1,0 and - )
cazalla: that poker BRO breakout scam has raised 36.33 btc so far, they must be disappointed
kakobrekla: !s poker BRO
assbot: 1 results for 'poker BRO' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=poker+BRO
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: i'm reading in doc/build-unix.txt that the options are USE_UPNP=, USE_UPNP=0 and USE_UPNP=1
cazalla: !s brocoin
assbot: 0 results for 'brocoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=brocoin
ben_vulpes: i want to compile without it. period. full stop.
cazalla: !s qntra poker
assbot: 0 results for 'qntra poker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=qntra+poker
kakobrekla: lol no luck cazalla ?
cazalla: i posted about it :\
jurov: ben_vulpes: just read the makefile and try whatever sticks. i remmeber having to, too
ben_vulpes: well it builds quite happily.
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, aha, so i guess i mistook the hyphen for the empty char
Apocalyptic: anyway use "USE_UPNP=" to build without it
ben_vulpes: later they introduced the hyphen, that apparently wasn't a thing at 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable?
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/breakout-gaming-release-bro-coin-details/
assbot: Breakout Gaming Release BRO Coin Details | Qntra.net
cazalla: they give each person a different address to send btc for their bro, surprised they didn't pump up the numbers to make it look more popular than it is
Apocalyptic: so i'm not imagining it at least, heh
Apocalyptic: <ben_vulpes> so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable? // that i do not know, not a bash specialist
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes i assume theres a default value ?
kakobrekla: grep it
ben_vulpes: in the makefile?
kakobrekla: where theres any config?
ben_vulpes: i ripped the assignation line out entirely. later there's an ifndef that assigns it to the hyphen.
mike_c: ben_vulpes: i know in later version i had to explicitly set it blank
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26626 @ 0.00073574 = 19.5898 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00073689 = 23.6542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00074008 = 16.1337 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00073564 = 20.9657 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/kncminer-to-cease-retail-sales-sick-of-problematic-customers/
assbot: KnCMiner To Cease Retail Sales, Sick Of Problematic Customers | Qntra.net
TheNewDeal: knc the new bfl?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: But with moar Ikea furniture
TheNewDeal: or is that just too much of a stretch
TheNewDeal: oOo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67478 @ 0.00073531 = 49.6172 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00073528 = 14.0438 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/21/adding-value-to-bitcoin/ << the latest.
assbot: Adding Value To Bitcoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: jeff garzik made me do it. with a little nudge from Pierre_Rochard
ben_vulpes: updated with a blank assignation for UPNP: https://www.refheap.com/92126
assbot: anonymous's paste: 92126
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/alansilbert/status/524688712303931392 << man those silberts crack me up.
assbot: The /yBitcoin fall guide has arrived! /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash http://t.co/3eKlTYIVe1
pete_dushenski: anyways, i'm out. cheers!
ben_vulpes: later pete
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, "libqrencode-dev" is really needed for bitcoind 0.5.3 ?
ben_vulpes: oooh
ben_vulpes: no, leftover from my experiments with 0.6
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12612 @ 0.00074036 = 9.3374 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: all of a sudden i want to rip SSL out as well
ben_vulpes: but baby steps
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You need to get crypto functions from somewhere
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, otherwise it seems pretty reasonable
ben_vulpes: libqrencode-dev purged
ben_vulpes: build passes
ben_vulpes: well
ben_vulpes: compiler poops
ben_vulpes: no idea what's in the turd.