ben_vulpes: does anyone in la serenissima have a copy of the bitcoin repository of june 2012 vintage?
assbot: Independent Reserve Becomes Australia's Latest Bitcoin Exchange | Qntra.net
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mike_c: should the news have as much of a slant as a blog post?
mike_c: or, to rephrase. a news article shouldn't have as much of a slant as a blog post.
mike_c: all communication has a slant. a news article should strive to have less than a blogger.
mike_c: i don't mean to poop on pete, but his is the one i just read.
cazalla: it is listed under commentary
mike_c: ok, that is good. but that is also news i would like to have.
mike_c: generally the editorial that is slanted is not the only source of news on the topic.
mike_c: " the world's largest banks gathered together to hold hands and sing kumbaya in the hope that Bitcoin would be gentle"
mike_c: nothing wrong with this in a commentary, but I would also like to be able to read the un-slanted version.
cazalla: mike_c, which pete linked to but it's a commentary and as news alone, i don't think anyone cares what someone said regarding bitcoin so it could only be commentary on qntra
BingoBoingo: I hit publish on Pete's piece, in the Commentary category not the news category.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know ther's really no diff the site makes. if commentary went to a special page you had to click for then i see it
cazalla: this independent reserve mob are on irc apparently, just wrong network and channel
mircea_popescu: anyway, guy's prose is rather florid, but there IS a news bit in there.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well what protected the Wasp's bag?
BingoBoingo: Why can't a datacenter be protected similarly?
cazalla: irc.oz.org #ir but i've invited them here
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And maybe people learn not to visit datacenters uninvited...
☟︎ BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nothing I said contradicts that conclusion. At $900k/BTC a lot of things become possibilities
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00073803 = 14.0595 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: so: isStandard() - this is not related to blockchain and transaction processing rules, correct?
ben_vulpes: no it's totally in the transaction processing rules
ben_vulpes: if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork
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danielpbarron: well no; not if you pronounce it "an oh point nine"
ben_vulpes: i'd probably say "oh nine", but i should write "a 0.9..."
bounce: ``In August 2012 we first announced that we would downrank sites for which we received a large number of valid DMCA notices.'' -- they get flooded with bot-generated "DMCA notices". what do they do to make sure they're "valid"? looking at youtube, not that much.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7606 @ 0.00073798 = 5.6131 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork << yep
mircea_popescu: this was the mechanism of the previous hard fork : .8 miners included tx rejected by the network, moved on a different chain.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that's Adam Tepper from that new aussie exchange
AdamIR: Thanks for the invitation and introduction cazalla.
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mircea_popescu: AdamIR get in the wot. actually why aren';t you in there already ?
assbot: Officials warn 500 million financial records hacked
undata: << "Our government and our businesses are in a daily fight against hackers," Pawlenty said. "It's getting increasingly concerning, and it needs to be met with action by Congress." >>
undata: oh good, more legislation
AdamIR: mircea_popescu - I joined #bitcoin-otc. Will have a look in more detail later, thanks.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i imagine these should really be all massed into one weekly post or something. X, Y and Z opened. K L and M closed."
undata: asciilifeform: they're going to make hacking even more illegal; you'll see!
mircea_popescu: <undata> oh good, more legislation << asciilifeform has it. "everyone ever worked for microsoft, one year in prison per year worked, plus one year in prison per 100k in salary ever received. sentences over 20 years commuted to death."
AdamIR: kakobrekla - just having a look what it's all about.
mircea_popescu: everyone OTHER than ms has a year to either discontinue their business or fix it.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that's an idea, i like to cover them just so i know if/when they close i have something to refer back to if they change their story at that point
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway ok, so when you say last mover advantage/having studied what others did worng, what specifically do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah, i feel you. but should really be one paragraph at best. just the details.
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... there's a number of things we do right, particularly compared with others in the Australia-Pacific region.
AdamIRAway: I realise some other exchanges do some of these things, but some of the ways I think that Independent Reserve is ahead of a lot of our competition is...
AdamIRAway: 1. Rather than rely on a technology/IT focused team (which is my own background), we brought onboard a lot of the executive team and investors with FX Markets, Investment Banking and Finance background, which I think has helped in many of the decisions we have made, and connections that we have made, and gives better overall balance and credibility to what we do.
AdamIRAway: 2. Rather than launch something quickly, we developed an enterprise level trading system over a period of twelve months and followed best practice in software development to develop a platform that we believe is secure, robust and stable. My own background as well as that of our CTO is in enterprise software development, and previously worked for many financial institutions in Australia.
AdamIRAway: 3. We have a very rich API. I realise other exchanges have this also, but not so in Australia.
AdamIRAway: 4. Most people, particularly Australians (but other nationalities also), can verify themselves online within minutes, usually without having to submit any identification documents. In some cases we can't automatically verify that, we can still verify manually.
AdamIRAway: 5. Australians can make BPAY Deposits (it's an Australian thing), but we convert this to USD at around 2.5 % better than most banks will. International clients can do a SWIFT transfer direct into our USD account. The other Australian exchange trades AUD/XBT, but we chose USD to provide greater liquidity.
assbot: Australian Company to Automate Multi-Trillion Dollar Debt Market MMADX | AsiaEtrading.com
mircea_popescu: seems to have been "going to" in 2012 and then suddenly dissapeared.
AdamIRAway: 6. I think we are the only Bitcoin exchange in the world that is audited by one of the major auditing firms - PricewaterhouseCoopers
mike_c: PWC, the bitcoin experts! :)
gabriel_laddel: "to develop a platform that *we believe* is secure, robust and stable..."
AdamIRAway: 7. And again, this only applies to Australians. Because we are an open market exchange (not a brokerage), we are not obligated to charge 10 % GST on transactions, like other brokerages in the region do.
decimation: AdamIRAway: you realize you basically saying "we are awesome at kyc/aml"
mircea_popescu: decimation well, generally, "at interfacing with austrialian banks"
AdamIRAway: decimation... it's important to take KYC/AML seriously, in order for us to work with banks. We do our best to make it as painless as possible for our clients, if we can.
mircea_popescu: "MMADX hopes to turn profitable in 2015. According to the presentation, its projected earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization for fiscal 2016 and 2017 are A$23.2 million and A$34.2 million, respectively. At that time, or before, the company could undertake an initial public offering, the presentation states."
mircea_popescu: so it never actually listed, best i can discern. did it close down ?
decimation: AdamIRAway: are you going to be transparent to your customers w.r.t. actual daily balances?
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mircea_popescu: cazalla if you have a clue how to go through the aussie corp register, it's company code: 34149069910
AdamIRAway: gabriel_laddel... my emphasis was on *secure, robust and scalable* ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, didja know that what actually broke the chicago mob was their ill advised attempt to muscle hollywood into shape ?
BingoBoingo: AdamIRAway: Does you exchange handle shoebox in the mail full of paper money transactions?
decimation: people who tell the masses how to think and vote tend to maintain their position
AdamIRAway: decimation... Pwc will be auditing our finances, and we will make their report available. We are looking to engage them to audit our XBT reserves as well shortly. We aren't currently transparent day-to-day regarding our reserves/balances, but it is obviously something we will be looking to do shortly after our launch.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, Cancelled from 28 Feb 2014
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But in future world a shoebox full a benjies buys what? A single tomatoe?
decimation: AdamIRAway: that pretty much sounds to me something like "we plan to float bitcoin and hope we don't get screwed"
mircea_popescu: anyway, since michael go doesn't seem on the menu, how did you get Admiral Markets's very own Lasanka Perera ? or what exactly is the arrangement there ?
AdamIRAway: decimation... I'm not sure how you interpreted my statement to reach that viewpoint. We take both our USD and XBT reserves very seriously, and will be looking to provide cryptograhic proof of our Bitcoin reserves shortly.
AdamIRAway: Lasanka Perera is a friend of mine, and co-founder of Independent Reserve.
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AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu - no sorry, can you give me some more context?
mircea_popescu: yes. the context is like so : an old time forex broker with a kind-of mlm-y past that used to do metals and everything got together with a guy that had a company that was going to trade debt advertised then suddenly disappeared. they hired a coupla software dudes (you and the Przelozny) and a very clueless legal chick with no practice. in this context, i'm trying to figure out exactly how did said debt trading platform
mircea_popescu: now my thinking is that you couldn't have spent very long making a dedicated platform, seeing how this just happened this year, so you're either reusing one or the other. i somehow doubt it's admiral's platform, so prolly im guessing mmdx's ?
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... I think you have the wrong idea about several points.
mircea_popescu: well that's good, that's what you're here for after all.
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AdamIRAway: First of all, I'm not involved in any waay with MMDX - I hadn't heard of them until you mentioned it.
AdamIRAway: Secondly, we aren't using any software from Admiral Markets or MMDX, not a single line of code, I don't know what systems they've used previously. Our systems have been developed in-house over the past 15 months.
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AdamIRAway: Thirdly. Nobody hired a "couple of software dudes and a clueless legal chick", as you described...
AdamIRAway: Myself, along with Adrian Przelozny are the majority shareholders of Independent Reserve.
mircea_popescu: ok so basically you and the prezelozny fellow made this thing and reached out for some consultancy work from finance and legal peeps ?
AdamIRAway: Our Compliance Specialist has a lot of experience in compliance obviously, and through her we have engaged Baker & McKenzie for specialised legal advice as required.
RagnarDanneskjol wonders how long this infomercial for indy reserve will go on (also do they have shiraz blend?).. changes channel
AdamIRAway: RagnarDanneskjol... I was invited here, and asked questions.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol it's the trade gazette, what do you want. ppl gotta be able to answer.
AdamIRAway: Sorry they haven't been to your liking, I will be happy to leave if it's not welcome.
RagnarDanneskjol: dont mind me - sounded more like advert than adderessing relevant Qs
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway anyway, i think i get the basic idea. it's not bad or anything. get in the wot so bitcoin people have a direct point of contact and other than that, time will tell.
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AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... I've just been trying to get some context regarding what you were saying before... I thought you were referring to something Lasanka had been involved with...
AdamIRAway: Adrian Przelozny, Lasanka Perera and myself were the co-founders of Independent Reserve.
AdamIR2: I realise now you were talking about Michael Go, and his involvement with MMADX several years ago. I don't know the details of his involvement with that, but it is not connected with Independent Reserve.
AdamIR2: On that note... I need to go back and so some work. Thanks for your questions.
ben_vulpes: was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history?
decimation: like, as a flat text file or something?
ben_vulpes does not actually understand how the infinite layers of the modern v.n. architecture does it's nasty business.
ben_vulpes: decimation: i imagined something like that, yeah.
decimation: the code is out there for reading though, I suppose
decimation: asciilifeform: is that the 'satoshi' original turd?
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mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history? << yes.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I doubt it, that would be crazy << o yeah ? THE WALLET FILE WAS UNENCRYPTED.
mircea_popescu: do not even get me started. they're using qt for fucks sake.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
mircea_popescu: satoshi is like costanza when it comes to implementation. pretty much every choice he has made, be it something to eat, something to wear, has been wrong.
decimation: that bitcoin-0.1 turd definitely depends on db_cxx.h, which seems to be bdb, but that isn't a full answer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35843 @ 0.00073796 = 26.4507 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation im pretty certain it had flatfiles early on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00073897 = 8.1287 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: transactions are definitely stored in a Db * object, which appears to be the bdb C++ interface
decimation: printing out your own shit is annoying
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform decimation i think it quite likely that once nubsy gets on you'll get your book.
decimation: The 'independent reserve' guys claim to use gpg signed email for customer support
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that the new emacs has a web-browser mode builtin?
decimation: really? I thought one had to download from the crazy lisp package repo
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems like a good idea on the surface, but in practice 90% of the web will be broken
assbot: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's true that the 'vision' of downloading and executing arbitrary code is exactly what the world needs
decimation: exactly. And everyone has been told since they were little that execution is dangerous - which is on c-machines
undata: asciilifeform: regarding the format wars post, I've fantasized about choosing to build for the canvas tag and forgetting the rest of the browser entirely
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that IBM had to pay $1.5 bn to get rid of their chip business?
undata: just streaming commands to some canvas wrapper via a websocket
decimation: asciilifeform: it makes one sad. "why keep banging head against wall, and digging bigger ditch? why not try something really different"
decimation: yeah I agree. how can a factory that can produce chips which rival intel's lithography 'lose money'?
decimation: either they are really really bad at making chips, or they are really really bad at choosing what to stamp out
decimation: I strongly suspect that spending more money on nsa is going to be politically untenable for the near future
decimation: it will be amusing to see who 'starves'
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decimation: everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types
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decimation: gabriel_laddel: yeah, emacs likes to claim 'self-documenting' but I find the quality of documentation to be pretty poor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15179 @ 0.0007405 = 11.24 BTC [+] {2}
gabriel_laddel: decimation: It's by far the best I've found on UNIX. I've no LispM experiences and so can only imagine.
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decimation: I remember when google took over the old usenet archives, thought they would make them useful rather than let them rot
mircea_popescu: decimation> everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types <<< only in places which are bored of living.
assbot: Articles: What the Byzantines Can Teach Us about Our National Security
decimation: "The Byzantines had good spies, but no intelligence bureaucracy at all. Officials involved in the management of espionage performed these functions along with other duties. They never had a bureaucratic hierarchy of intelligence and never thought to create one. "
decimation: yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints
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mircea_popescu: <decimation> yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints << lol good one.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1874 @ 0.00073768 = 1.3824 BTC [-]
decimation: well, it's certainly the case that someone needs to have the 'big picture' in mind and issue instructions, I would think
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect 'armchair general' describes 90% of usg
mircea_popescu: you see this picture ? look well at it, for it's what it looks like. sad, tired, incredibly lonely middle age white guy
decimation: pandering the masses must drain the soul
mircea_popescu: clearly in the last place he'd ever be : his own life.
assbot: ClubOrlov: August 2010
decimation: asciilifeform: this is probably one reason why usg policy is generally to crush the poor and happy
mircea_popescu: "Many people spent a big chunk of their lives investing in this dream and it didn't pan out quite as we wish."
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undata: where to move, if we're ash heap bound
decimation:
http://squid314.livejournal.com/340809.html << "All of the white people who joined Indian tribes loved it and refused to go back to white civilization. All the Indians who joined white civilization hated it and did everything they could to go back to their previous tribal lives."
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undata: mircea_popescu: what makes you like Argentina? Things like wealth taxes don't convey a sense of respect for private property, though I can see how that'd be irrelevant to BTC wealth
mircea_popescu: but i like everything. i suppose i should spell it out huh.
undata: mircea_popescu: if you want; it wont be actionable for me for years
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 02:15:37; asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC
assbot: MooPay Scam Leads to Possible Bitstamp Blacklists | Qntra.net
decimation: asciilifeform: as in soft leather cover?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28376 @ 0.00074074 = 21.0192 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00073768 = 12.098 BTC [-]
assbot: MP, what do you like about Argentina ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
undata: mircea_popescu: thanks for the write-up
kncminer_is_a_sc: KNCMINER IS A SCAM! 5 month late house burning hardware is Useless now, useless. Refund me you gotterdammerung scammers!
ben_vulpes: "accounts" in btc wallets are kind of stupid, right?
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to think of sensible use cases
ben_vulpes: but i keep coming back to "i only want to know the balances and histories of these addresses"
assbot: Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "He then tried to pay with PayPal, and we unsuspended the machines. About 6 hours later the payments were disputed with PayPal as unauthorized and we then suspended again." << wow, carding too ?!
mircea_popescu: perfect pretext for bitstamp to steal even more coins.
mircea_popescu: just in case it's not obvious already, keeping any balances on bitstamp or sending any bitcoin to bitstamp is beyond retarded.
mircea_popescu: try to not do that so you don't ned up like the 62c5186b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.197.24.107 retard.
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ThickAsThieves: it's a woman lookin like she shit her pants, from Ripple, saying,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62695 @ 0.00074101 = 46.4576 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "Innovation isnt inherently incompatible with regulation"
mircea_popescu: the usg however, IS inherently incompatible with regulation.
mircea_popescu: because we're making the rules, not the fucking other way around, what is this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3305 @ 0.00074123 = 2.4498 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ripple's problem is more like "we enabled some scammers stealing a buncha coins" tho.
decimation: one can see why they would need to convince usg why they are very good little slaves
decimation: since usg is a dim and neglectful master, they get away with it
mircea_popescu: it's funny that the us lost the "innovation" war back in 2013, and then lost the finance war. no smart kids, no rich kids,
mircea_popescu: who knows, perhaps it has enough criminals that they become a significant minority in the new world, giving it some claim.
decimation: the us has plenty of high iq people, it's just that in general their efforts are misdirected into idiocy
ThickAsThieves: ripple is basically grasping for, Bitcoin for Banks, All the tech, none of the darkwebmunny
undata: decimation: or they get so depressed they barely function
mircea_popescu: "we have yet another version of bitcoin without bitcoin, choose us, because this works!!11"
decimation: this is a peculiar habit in the us: trying to find a 'technical' solution for a very human problem
undata: mircea_popescu: I've seen it happen to friends brighter than I am.
undata: as for me, I keep myself moving hoping to strike at the thing myself someday
undata: but I've yet to make a pile, so that comes first
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone leaves the mines. part of why "big government" is so lulzy.
mircea_popescu: i mean... how many east germans joined west germany ? ... all of em ?
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kakobrekla: jesus nubbs so poor cant afford tx fee
bounce: othernubs`, asciilifeform: how many actual code (C, C++, etc.) lines exceed 80 characters?
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mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> cazalla BingoBoingo derpndesk.com/bitnet-lands-14-5-million-series-funding-rival-coinbase-bitpay/ << and somehow in spite of all these "investement" nobody is buying the shorts pretty much.
mircea_popescu: * Adlai must admit that he first misread that headline as "BitBet lands $14.5M ..." << da fuck would bitbet do with 15mn.
bounce: spend it on hookers and blow
bounce: then it's "no touching the merchandise"
mircea_popescu: On 15 June 1961, two months before the construction of the Berlin Wall started, First Secretary of the Socialist Unity Party and Staatsrat chairman Walter Ulbricht stated in an international press conference, "Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten!" <<< nobody has any intention to fuck up bitcoin o.O
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pete_dushenski: [–]gavinandresen[S] 26 points an hour ago Biggest misconception: That Bitcoin will Topple Governments and the Powerful. Governments will do what they always do -- they will adapt (well, the worst ones will fail, causing misery and suffering; maybe Bitcoin will speed that up a little, and mitigate the misery a little).
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski oyu know, if anyone gave a shit about either gavin or reddit they'd just go there.
RagnarDanneskjol: deedbot is actually up - in here under different nick - just the server it lives on failed security audit
kakobrekla: punkmans deedbot runs on one of my droplets
kakobrekla: what you are looking at atm is unlive version of logs
bounce: ``I'd rather not speculate in an open forum about the best ways to screw with Bitcoin.'' (Perish_In_a_Fire) -- aww.
ben_vulpes: it'd be neat if he'd differentiate between Bitcoin the reference implementation which is bug-ridden and shitty, and Bitcoin the protocol which doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: so "governments" will prevail, as fucking if there can even be such a thing as a government other than bitcoin ; and bitcoin gotta hide its misshapen form in the dark.
mircea_popescu: i totally wish to read more idiocy from this gavin puppet.
kakobrekla: anyway RagnarDanneskjol what do you want in the zip? csv? sql? a puddle? daily files?
Adlai is quite curious to see what happens if/when changes such as a the blocksize hardfork get pushed to the reference implementation
mircea_popescu: this is sort-of like wanting to see what happens if/when the soviets finally decide to cross fulda ?
Adlai: "some people just wanna see the world burn" ^_^
mircea_popescu: i'm all for it, the level of either cluelessness or desperation such a move entails is promising.
Adlai: such a drastic change would definitely cast this issue (and others) into the limelight, until now it's been confined to a few IRC channels and blog posts
bounce: with enough hashrate on 0.6 (or whichever, maintained etc.) and staying there, hardforks are bound to fizzle. could try and talk to large pool operators.
Adlai: as much as the timecube's four days revolve around the WoT, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who have heard about the hardfork proposal haven't heard any competing argument against it
mats_cd03: the only opinion that matters is that of miners.
mats_cd03: and... they won't let themselves get shit on.
Adlai: miners are people too, and people don't always make the best decisions. even if they act rationally, they might not be aware of all the information about an issue.
chetty: You've long been a proponent of the "Bitcoin is an experiment" line of thinking. While that is technically true, so is "Gravity is just a theory". What needs to happen for you to switch from "Bitcoin is an experiment" to "Bitcoin is established"?
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chetty: We need regulatory clarity, ease of use, and no-single-point-of-failure security.
chetty: I think we're very close on all of those things.
RagnarDanneskjol: kakobrekla - sorry nevermind -apparently Azelphur has everything logged since the beginning of time. I can throw it up somewhere for whoevers wants it
assbot: gavinandresen comments on I'm Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation. Ask me anything!
mircea_popescu: most bitcoin reads mp way before it remembers who the fuck this gavin schmuck is.
mircea_popescu: because money doesn't think all that much of code monkeys. and definitely isn't going to start taking their ideas of how to manage things seriously.
Adlai: how closely coupled are "most bitcoin" and "most hashrate"?
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision.
diametric: maybe i'm mistaken but doesn't the white paper basically state a hard fork will be required in the future to address scalability?
mircea_popescu: their failure was signalled to them within minutes, and they obeyed that signal in an hour.
othernubs`: ah, i forgot you can disable the backlight on this thing
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> yeah, it's possible miners won't make the best decision. this was illustrated yesterday, when the atc miners failed to make the best decision. // btw that was pretty impressive
kakobrekla: RagnarDanneskjol if you can put them in order i can include them online (before the log starts)
Adlai: it'd be a little funny if all the devs agreed to the hardfork, got a working patch together, then went miner by miner and couldn't get a single one to agree to switch
mircea_popescu: they'd just be a iota more ridiculously pointless than they are today
mircea_popescu: which in the grand scheme of things isn't really much at all. they've already fucked the goat in the public market long ago
mircea_popescu: eating some earthworms or w/e isn't really doing much anymore.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 829946.86 in 1463 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 76.75
xanthyos: apparently canada is adding plastic content to its fiat paper to make it less rippable. the fiat may not be backed, but reinforced paper will fool the masses
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#46921): 0 hour(s), 5 minutes
xanthyos: and it has a picture of the queen on it, so that's worth something.
othernubs`: xanthyos, 100% polymer notes for a while now
mircea_popescu: dude this "father of invention" flic is the most god awful pandering piece of shit
mircea_popescu: it'd almost work as a parody of the redditard generation, except spacey is playing it full straight.
othernubs`: it's rare to see a paper banknote nowadays
othernubs`: xanthyos, postage is about $2 to usa, what denomination you want?
othernubs`: altho the clear panel is way cooler in person
mircea_popescu: lol failed impulse buy. oh #b-a whay are you such a mall!
othernubs`: he prolly realized his local bank stocks CAD
mircea_popescu: no, he prolly realised that he doesn't need it or want to use it and it'll just gather dust
pakaloloz: so BTCJAM aka BTCSCAM announced... "We are happy to announce that we have added bank account & credit card verification!"
Adlai: so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". coincidence? i think not!
pakaloloz: I do think this may be as DPB says "#badforbitcoin"
Adlai hasn't figured out yet whether any of what happens on btcjam is not btcscam
Adlai: although admittedly i've spent a grand total of about fifteen seconds trying
kakobrekla: <Adlai> so just as gavin is doing his AMA, i get a request to buy coins from "gavi". < you be in wrong channels
Adlai will ask gavi what he thinks of the hardfork
assbot: We rode a $10,000 hoverboard, and you can too
xanthyos: hoverboards don't work on water. not unless you have power.
xanthyos: but if the ground unit vibrated so too would its magnetic field and thus the building
xanthyos: well there would have to be magnets in the ground to create the field for the building to be repulsed from in the event of an earthquake
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, to be fair it's not the newton's law that is neglected here, but the fact that you won't get a magnetic field even close to be powerfull enough to support that weight
mike_c: on kickstarter those guys are selling a hover board for $450 that.. doesn't hover.
xanthyos: that propagated vibration would be less than the vibration the building would experience without the field gap between it and the ground magnets
Apocalyptic: "and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object." that's assuming a magnetic field of constant power, right ?
xanthyos: unless they were "smartmagnets" that could generate the inverse wave to the vibration to cancel it out in the same way that some car radios use microphones to cancel out road noise
xanthyos: of course, a hacker could then simulate an earthquake on that building to the same extent of magnitude that the smartmagnets were designed to resist against
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xanthyos: oh if the ground level changes that much there's no way a magnetic field could hold it consistently
xanthyos: also the bouncing of the building would put equal force on the ground and magnetically try to push away the ground structure even more
mircea_popescu: o look, there's a 20 yo junior rabbi in the house. lmao.
othernubs`: speaking of unobtainium, these metallic inks are getting us a bunch of jobs lately. offset printers can suck it
mircea_popescu: visited the man's grave, too. he was the first and the thickest cock to rape byzantium.
mircea_popescu: you know, like obama, the us ally, was the first and perhaps the thickest cock to rape washington.
bounce: wouldn't benevolence require some sort of intelligence or something?
mircea_popescu: obviously nothing in nature can be "benevolent" seeing how human agency is an ulterior layer.
mircea_popescu: it's like asking for an "app aware" tcp/ip implementation.
bounce: inasmuch as that humanity is part of nature, though picturing itself above it.
mircea_popescu: bounce no, inasmuch as fist though your skull moves the matter of your skull around in one way, but MEANS in a number of different arbitrary ways
bounce: this doesn't compute. take your hand outta my brains and try again?
othernubs`: mircea_popescu, latest job is biz cards and letterheads w/ gold ink for a boutique hotel
mircea_popescu: let's try it this way. suppose there's a cathedral tower with a clock.
mircea_popescu: you're not wrong or right, we're not there yet. just waiting for bounce to pick a time.
bounce: well, try this on first: "tcp/ip" generally refers to the whole stack. supposing you really ment IP (layer 3, conventionally), then "app aware" (with app: layer 7) would be a bit of a layer violation.
mircea_popescu: "benevolence" as an objective quality is a layer violation.
bounce: I ment that layer 7 still needs the lower layers to function, it doesn't float in air
mircea_popescu: no, it doesn't need them "to function", because it functioning is not a layer 7 thing.
undata: well and even among apps, "benevolence" could be defined differently
undata: that's a much harder term to define.
bounce: what is benevolence, really? apparently we can have malicious packets and software, but benevolent ones?
bounce: er, tcp doesn't do crap without ip to transport it. the layers do build on each other
Adlai: malefactors gonna malefact but packets just pack
chetty: isnt the difference between malicious and benevolent and mattr of viewpoint?
Adlai: well there is a missing object. malice and benevolence don't exist in a vacuum, they have to be directed at something
mircea_popescu: just, the fucktards that write about things they don;'t understand, when they're not busy husslking pete in his comment section,
bounce: it does include a value judgement. so it'd require a judging facility
mircea_popescu: bounce it's irrelevant what it "does" at the level where ip is defined, see ?
mircea_popescu: stop mixing utility into ideality, that's not how thinking works.
bounce: "zomg rude!" -- some new guy with no clue of the local rules. << appears to be an american thing?
mircea_popescu: makes no difference "what use is the sun to us", that's an ontological point not an ethical one.
bounce: so there's no ethics to archimedes' mirrors?
mircea_popescu: othernubs`> imagine living in a world where logic can fail <<< that's life in a "social sciences" universe.
mircea_popescu: their logic fails all the god damned time, mostly because it's not logic, self-supported, it's dreamweaving
bounce: warzones typically are unhinging because there's no rhyme or reason to the happenings.
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bounce: (thus we conclude that wars are applied social science)
mircea_popescu: warzones are "unhinging" because the complexity of "society" is a function of the mean distance between individual and his own death
mircea_popescu: if that is reduced significantly, the need for some forms goes away.
mircea_popescu: that's why the classical, 19th century murican has the reputation of being uncouth and direct and undecourous in europe
mircea_popescu: cuz he got to see his own death on average a lot closer than the average yurpean
bounce: I'd say the predictability is the more valued property there
bounce: if everybody lives to, say, 30, then dies without fail, it's a fact of life
chetty: bounce, ever see 'Logan's Run' ?
bounce: no, and I'd like to keep it that way, TYVM
mircea_popescu: but it's nonsense. who the fuck thinks about "the future" lol. people in a warzone think about cunt, and maybe good cognac.
bounce: haven't seen it, roughly know the plot. probably should take the time sometime.
mircea_popescu: to think about "your career" you gotta be so far away from a warzone your head'd be spinning
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> thestringpuller: where are you finding those dumps? I ended up writing a scraper... << twas in the chan like n times, but : bitcoin-otc.com/otc/
undata: it's interesting that one could ask himself whether it's ethical to establish the conditions necessary for ethical reasoning, but only under the necessary conditions...
mircea_popescu: you can ask, "is it ethical to kill this man", you can not ask "is it ethical for this man to have been killed." obviously, he's dead, so nevermind.
undata: right, ethics concerns action
mircea_popescu: and confusing "was it ethical for this man to be kiled at he point in the past when he was" with "is it" is so fuckin dumb
undata: I was proceeding from the point about war
mircea_popescu: it automatically paints one as an intellectual failure of the english speaking school of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's no ethical violation in the dead being dead, no matter how they got to be there, nor in the raped to be dripping cum, nor in any other thing that is. they're fine as they are ; being trumps fretting.
undata: or, the present is all there is
undata: talking about what's ethical in the present is hard to generalize
undata: that's what I was referring to above re: apps
undata: depends on what your goals are, and why, and why, and why
undata: modern neuroscience makes that "you" itself harder to define by the day
BingoBoingo: Fuck, is nothing newsworthy ever going to drop today?
BingoBoingo: I mean there's the Gavin Q/A, people recycling yesterday's news, and... is anything else happening?
undata: BingoBoingo: need moar ebola to get off or something? ha
bounce: start a bitcoin enterprise or something. then you can report on it yourself.
assbot: MIT computer scientists can predict the price of Bitcoin | MIT News
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Other oulets reported that already. I remember thickasthieves making fun of them.
Adlai: wonderful headline inflation there
bounce: what's this "digital identity framework", other than a couple highfalutin' bullet points?
bounce: ``OMS is a trusted compute platform for developing and deploying secure cloud applications to collect, compute on and share personal data.'' -- apparently in the end it all hinges on "trust us, we have this centralised framework being trustworthy and shit"... again.
jurov: mircea_popescu ...runs code for a third party...<< this is same problem as DRM, i.e. you meed to prevent hardware owner to mucking out with third party code
mike_c: BingoBoingo: here's your headline: "Army Research Office funds bitcoin price research"
jurov: and it isn't solved at all for such general purpose case
bounce: it apparently start with openid. huh.
mike_c: from (retarded) mit paper: "This work was supported in part by NSF grants CMMI=1335155 and CNS-1161964, and by Army Research Office MURI Award W911NF-11-1-0036.
bounce: if you dig a little deeper, see if you can't find the list of NSF grant numbers known to originate at the NSA
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BingoBoingo: bounce: No, manul post, that way it isn't spamming
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Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> nope. even with infinitely strong magnetic effect, the ground is still taking up the weight, and were it to move, would propagate vibration to the 'levitated' object. // this is true but of no help to the argument, since if you can predict the amplitude/frequency of the "earthquake", you can impose the same variations on the intensity of the current generating your magnetic field
bounce: that means you'd be amplifying the whole thing
Apocalyptic: hence making the object go up or down relatively to the magnetic support, nullifying the eartquake (again all this in theory)
Apocalyptic: well bounce for the sake of the argument let's take the magnetic field generated by a simple solenoid
bounce: sure you can build a magnetic dampener; things with antiphase and enough room to move and things
bounce: that doesn't mean that a big large fixed magnetic field will magically cushion any and all vibration, which I understand was the point
Apocalyptic: bounce, never I have seen the word "fixed"
bounce: it was pretty much implied
bounce: "here, magnetic field. problem solved." -- nooo, not quite
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> // of course it's not, and nobody is contesting that. It just can made to have that sort of behaviour << that depends.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Oh, and Qntra finally joined the top half million websites << Male 195 Female 9 shit's funny.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, quantcast also seems to think thestringpuller is invisible
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> its strength is linear in I << think about it. your field, want it or not, is a field. A field.
mircea_popescu: the movement of the underlying terrain, like it or not, is not uniform.
mircea_popescu: what are you going to do with one bick cock when confronted with ten thousand tiny microscopic cunts ?
mircea_popescu: you're gonna hope it averages out, but in practical reality you will have constructed a magnetic building toppler.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, yeah, I assumed a simple, uniform, vertical translation as the movement
mircea_popescu: you can do the actual math involved, see the probability of your building ending up on the larger surface at the end of it all.
mircea_popescu: but it's not really a theory, more like a daydreaming, see ?
mircea_popescu: cause it doesn't properly account for the world, just for what the theorizer'd like.
Apocalyptic: I was just merely showing a theoretical model where it does work
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess for a spherical vacuum earthquake it may help.
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bounce: they're like, the next hot thing
mircea_popescu: is this some sort of new media, fuck up people's grepping ?
bounce: used to be commas in urls were a thing
thickasthieves: <@assbot> [MPEX] [U] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00073875 = 4.8388 BTC [-] ------ what's a [U]?
bounce doesn't mention the slashes
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves apparently assbot had a little trouble coming back.
cazalla: morning, no hang over today and sun is shining
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bounce: apparently this "liberals" vs. "conservatives" thing has ameritardia thoroughly paralysed.
bounce: oh hey, isn't that nice. instead of some js that'll popup a "[tweet] [fb]" thingy every time you select a bit of text, this here bunch has convenient prefab tweets with url and approved text that you but have to click on to tweet.
undata: bounce: regarding repub/dem... anyone with a shred of intelligence has seen through it; however, those two parties have too much control over the election process to change anything
bounce: railroading, the new driver of discourse
mircea_popescu: like, if you were google, right ? wouldn't you be fucking impressed to see the same text from 50 profiles all the damned time ?
bounce: with complete identical text and everything. bit-for-bit copies.
mircea_popescu: "i know, let's pay bob from Consultancy DerpAces LLC a million funbux so he can write an AI expert system that'll generate the text our readers would have put out! Save them the trouble!"
bounce: I'm like, "anybody click on that?" but [like] is a rather popular button too, no matter where you find the little fucker
mircea_popescu: tbh one of the things i like most about qntra is that there's no god damned "social media integration"
bounce: obxref cowclicker, but webscale.
bounce has a bunch of that blocked in hosts, but they keep coming up with new SMRTness
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I assume people are perfectly capable of transporting urls to social media on their own.
bounce: ``The Pew Research Center\u2019s Journalism Project, founded in 1997 as the Project for Excellence in Journalism, seeks to assess the state of news and information in a changing society.'' -- that prefab tweet thing brought to you by these guys. party on! excellent!
bounce: must be an american shop. no sense of irony.
mircea_popescu: well they got this fake "irony" which is mostly badly done sarcasm
bounce: 1615 L Street, NW, Suite 700, washington, dc. there you go.
thickasthieves: omg this arguing for bits and ubits conversation makes me wanna line reddites and punch them one by one
bounce: the kind of irony you get from that song
Apocalyptic: the name that should be given to 10^-8 BTC
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you should watch Inside Llewyn Davis btw
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic lmao the collection of nobodies are going to rename the satoshi ?
mircea_popescu: here's an idea, how about we have a poll in fucking uganda about what the us dollar should be called.
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bounce: n!pula then please. no pansy ' shit
mircea_popescu: it's not sad, it's great. that's exactly it. nothing ever happens.
mircea_popescu: i think the actor's an idiot that can't either act or sing, but that's okay : for one thing, so is timberlake. for the other : that's exactly the part.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly her job in life, being fucked in the ass for bubblegum and then shot in the stomach and left to bleed in a parking lot.
thickasthieves: but i was a totally different person when i last watched it
mircea_popescu: i'd have paid money to have the script altered so she gets run over by a bus.
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thickasthieves: it basically says more modelling would be requried to learn anything meaningful
Azelphur: Buzhang: it's a series of tubes.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves mit paper "we need more money" news at 1.2.3.4.5.6.etc
jurov: mircea_popescu: even if second satoshi came and enable doing it safely, would you yourself lend your machines to the cloud for $0.01/hour (currently going price)?
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jurov: Apocalyptic doesn't matter. even if the machine may be beefy, it is unpredictably intermittent
mircea_popescu: jurov a) how is 0.01 an hour the current going price ? b) motherboard 50bux, cpu 100 bux, memory 50 bux, hdd 50 bux. don't need a monitor.
jurov: you forgot electricity :)
Apocalyptic: also to nitpick the prices you listed add up to $250n not $300 :)
jurov: and it's ballpark figure for spot instances, why would our price be vastly different?
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mircea_popescu: jurov if you mean spot instances such as amazon or w/e, a) those come with riders and b) try and get a dedicated ip say.
jurov: a) is better and cheaper solved by distribution of $maxint mass produced boxen than relying on users to diy
mircea_popescu: but this aside : yes if this existed i'd be using it pretty much exclusively
jurov: where you can control the whole machine
mircea_popescu: jurov you're missing the key point of it, which is, no government gets a say in what code runs.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 4830.06 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.46 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s
jurov: waitwait... and how do you prevent govt being one of highest bidders?
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December"
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cazalla: Qntra has surpassed 100 posts btw
jurov: what can be done right now, maybe, platform for exchanging machines between DCs?
jurov: as in, you can host spares for other services and vice versa to be switched quickly in case of ddos?
jurov: or peer-to-peer operated CDN?
jurov: there is existent software for this, just some business mastermind to monetize it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00073689 = 4.7161 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December"
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assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 20:59:10; *: kakobrekla is doing heart transplant on assbot
jurov: and brain stays the same?
kakobrekla: now only to cut the head off and we are done
mod6: at least ur defibulator works
pete_dushenski: "by breeding draft horses that ran on cultivated, nutrient-dense fodder, [Europe saw] substantially lowered transportation costs. This allowed the value of northwestern Europe's bulk transportation networks to radically increase and made it very nearly as inevitable that that region would be the pioneers of the industrial revolution."
mod6: haha hopefully minus jvm
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assbot: anonymous's paste: 92123
kakobrekla added a proxy to site title parser so assbots ip is not sniffable that way anymore
Apocalyptic: regarding: "20 sed -i '/USE_UPNP:=0/d' ./makefile.unix", why not USE_UPNP:=- ?
jurov: ;;later tell othernubs` just make one big scroll. turing machine needs turing tape!
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: do let me know if there's a good reason to keep UPNP in there.
jurov: disablewallet=1 would not work with 0.5.3
Apocalyptic: well if you don't I don't see the point in the '0',
Apocalyptic: but then just replace the '0' with a hyphen
jurov: also rpcpassword is required
Apocalyptic: nukes it straight away (and yes there actually is (or was) 3 levels for that var in the makefile, 1,0 and - )
cazalla: that poker BRO breakout scam has raised 36.33 btc so far, they must be disappointed
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: i'm reading in doc/build-unix.txt that the options are USE_UPNP=, USE_UPNP=0 and USE_UPNP=1
ben_vulpes: i want to compile without it. period. full stop.
jurov: ben_vulpes: just read the makefile and try whatever sticks. i remmeber having to, too
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, aha, so i guess i mistook the hyphen for the empty char
Apocalyptic: anyway use "USE_UPNP=" to build without it
ben_vulpes: later they introduced the hyphen, that apparently wasn't a thing at 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable?
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cazalla: they give each person a different address to send btc for their bro, surprised they didn't pump up the numbers to make it look more popular than it is
Apocalyptic: <ben_vulpes> so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable? // that i do not know, not a bash specialist
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes i assume theres a default value ?
ben_vulpes: i ripped the assignation line out entirely. later there's an ifndef that assigns it to the hyphen.
mike_c: ben_vulpes: i know in later version i had to explicitly set it blank
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26626 @ 0.00073574 = 19.5898 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00073689 = 23.6542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00074008 = 16.1337 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00073564 = 20.9657 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: KnCMiner To Cease Retail Sales, Sick Of Problematic Customers | Qntra.net
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67478 @ 0.00073531 = 49.6172 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00073528 = 14.0438 BTC [-]
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pete_dushenski: jeff garzik made me do it. with a little nudge from Pierre_Rochard
assbot: anonymous's paste: 92126
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, "libqrencode-dev" is really needed for bitcoind 0.5.3 ?
ben_vulpes: no, leftover from my experiments with 0.6
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12612 @ 0.00074036 = 9.3374 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: all of a sudden i want to rip SSL out as well
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You need to get crypto functions from somewhere
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, otherwise it seems pretty reasonable