trinque: I'm saying one setting for "serve blocks to others" and another for which nodes to connect to
shinohai: I just commented out my addnode/connect jazz just to run for now :/
shinohai: asciilifeform: with the pogo binary from the mailing list I got 3 connections xD
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shinohai: nm, they arent the connections I specified.
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shinohai: Some idiot on jobs4bitcoin. Some days the requests baffle me.
punkman: looks like plain laundering deal
shinohai: My thoughts as well. I'll throw up a webserver or stuff like that on there. But those sorts of postings are a big nope for me.
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mats: win10 has a package manager
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some nodes may be like that, but it's necessarily going to be the exception not the rule
BingoBoingo: I think it makes sense for node operators to come to agreements to make some of their connections through SSH tunnels.
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BingoBoingo thinks something like OpenBSD uses for authenticating repository keys for anonCVS could work for important node connections
mircea_popescu: "If you can write 'if' in FORTH, then why restrict 44 yourself to the usual if/while/for/switch constructs? You want a construct that iterates 45 over every other element in a list of numbers? You can add it to the language."
mircea_popescu: why would i make a "construct" in the language that does i+2
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 01:37:28; asciilifeform: phun phakt: 'scheme' programming language has its 'call-with-current-continuation', perhaps the oddest and 'most generic' control structure known, which takes the current place in execution and turns it into an assignable (yes) closure (i.e. callable function!) -- typically it is implemented using setjmp().
mircea_popescu: sit there and debug off-by-one errors in a pile of asm ?
mircea_popescu: problem is sapper keeps trying to change profession into me
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> resistance of the medium << Is there any other reason to ever do anything?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably only on PPC. PPC got a lot of cool stuff. Perhaps not across whole PPC run though. Will have to look into.
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BingoBoingo: Forth looks incredibly legible. More so than cpp
mircea_popescu: but it does seem to me very much akin to a "hey, if you salt a fresh frog leg you can electrocute it into moving". cool! but instead i order my slaves to read and summarize for me!
BingoBoingo flipping through Eulora source can make no sense of what files do what. It is nothing like Bitcoin which is the only big cpp turn I am kinda familiar with.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo chetty spent two years for a result in parts no different.
mircea_popescu: "My VLSI tools take a chip from conception through testing. Perhaps 500 lines of source code. Cadence, Mentor Graphics do the same, more or less. With how much source/object code?"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I may surprise drop cg less full open Eulora client, but more likely CrystalSpace will hit version 2.2, chetty will build Eulora client against it, and Full Open Eulora client just happens
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It appears years in the future. I imagine Adlai will prolly get an emacs client first. Or I'll get a sacrificial linux machine first (sacrificial linux machine is tiered below box to colo cheap for infrastructure BTC node).
BingoBoingo: But I am in the process of dancing with university to set up job interview, so may have fiat stream to start burning soon
mircea_popescu: i have to know the ascii value of ) to code in forth ?
Adlai: being able to grow a beard should suffice
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform truth be told : do you find this interesting for any other reason than the vague whiff of a promise of perhaps allowing you toi make btc chips /
☟︎ mod6: ok so was kinda thinking about something here... so we all love to hate the mailing list in a way - but it's a decent spot to post new things, experimental, SoBAs etc. But it's not good for keeping track of patches that /actually/ are accepted and a part of a given "release".
mod6: but what if we then, say, at the end of a testing/release cycle were to (instead of signing or as well as posting to the mailing list) post the plaintext patch and a detach signature from the originating author, myself & ben to deedbot as a perm storage for these patches?
mod6: trinque thinks this might be able to be implemented without moving heaven and earth
mircea_popescu: "Good Forth programmers reportedly don't use much of those. Good Forth programmers arrange things so that they flow on the stack. " this is mel redivivus innit. most pessimum!
mod6: oh, i think he was saying that he would need to implement accepting a second argument and making it so that the URL contains a hash of the original plaintext patch.
trinque: mircea_popescu: he's considering a case where the thing would be able to accept new detached sigs for existing deeds
BingoBoingo thinks whole problem is that 'patch' demands line numbers instead of using nearby lines of code as landmarks
☟︎ mod6: that way it sort of also solves the problem of keeping track of who signed which patch. since deedbot stores these sigs in a horizontal fashion next to the address.
trinque: that calls for a second screen which would group by deed and list the sigs
mod6: i guess this thought was sort of a work in progress.
mod6: maybe something can be added? like trinque is saying? i dunno.
punkman: BingoBoingo: it does use nearby lines
trinque: neat thought; I can see something useful there for contracts generally
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. i both read this before and i broadly agree with the man.
trinque: punkman: yup that's precisely what's being discussed
mod6: so i guess all in all, the deedbot solution, if it can be created, seems better than my initial proposal of 2 mailing lists; one for everything, one for patches accepted only. which seems simple as well, but now we have to manage two lists.
mod6: on the other side of the coin, if we do something like this with deedbot, we need to ensure a mirror is always available.
punkman: I don't see how deeding patches helps with what started this discussion
mircea_popescu: "Bacteria have no junk in their DNA. " << very false, actually. percent-wise, the junk-in-dna is perhaps the most stable parameter of life in general
mod6: well, nevermind then.
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punkman: not that I'd mind patch deeds, but can basically deed patch hashes already
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trinque: this grouping together of things signed can be done with deeds as they are
trinque: just a hash of the content aside from the sig
mircea_popescu: what, now you're oBLIGEd to sign shit so people can use it ?
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 01:51:35; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform truth be told : do you find this interesting for any other reason than the vague whiff of a promise of perhaps allowing you toi make btc chips /
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> moreover, it just puts you in harm's way mod6. << well. not all patches, just ones that we've signed off on anyway.
mod6: no different than what we're already doing.
mod6: i just figured it was a neato way to keep the patches that we sign separate from the rest of the heap of stuff.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 01:59:06; *: BingoBoingo thinks whole problem is that 'patch' demands line numbers instead of using nearby lines of code as landmarks
trinque: one tangle is the lack of clear separation of problems in the conversation.
mod6: but i see your point.
trinque: you've got "who signed this patch" and also "what is the parent node patch of this patch"
punkman: asciilifeform: but it does fuzz
trinque: I actually grow to like the wiki suggestion best for the patch tree
BingoBoingo: And somehow 9 comment spammers made it through DDoS
trinque: need to document process at a step? go for it, it's a damn wiki
mircea_popescu: so wait, are we upon meditation now unaccepting the previous consensus-y spot ?
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 21:50:41; mircea_popescu: but i guess the consensus is pointing towards, ml gets restated with antecedents, trinque writes a grapher for it all ?
trinque: that actually works fine for me as a separate tool, and as you say, if there's a wiki, great
mod6: <+asciilifeform> them & the grapher. << i can live with this.
mod6: was just derpin i guess.
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep that sounds fine
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "ddos" is you know, best effort kinda deal. just because you can't get through in 5 tries doesn't mean every one of the 50k or whatever many tries also failks.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Given the duration seems like they succeded closer to 1 in 4 or 1 in 3
trinque: BingoBoingo: fucker just got me actually
trinque: he challenged me to a game of "lemme try an' cut you" and I lost
BingoBoingo: I me probably not going to intentionally acquire cat until possesses farm.
decimation: as a long time user of RPN calculators I do indeed find forth pleasing
trinque: BingoBoingo: "As if so often" << typo
punkman: "Next Generation Cyber Initiative (Next Gen Cyber) received USD$ 400.6 mn in Treasury funding in 2014 alone, which was used to employ 1`333 full-time positions" << really? they couldn't have hired 4 more?
mircea_popescu: 2. Next Generation Cyber Initiative (Next Gen Cyber) received USD$ 400.6 mn in Treasury funding in 2014 alone, which was used to employ 1`333 full-time positions including 756 agents.
BingoBoingo: CIA cuts coke with talcum for private sector partners?
BingoBoingo: “Hey, kids, come watch the emasculated bear with the scary fingerless hands who’s never fucked a day in his life and who is obsessed with a little boy of a different species.”
trinque: "I'd much rather my kids watch the fuck machine named Big Bird." << oh my sides
BingoBoingo: "He’s got that swagger. There are a lot of good lessons children can learn from a major-league pussy-crusher like Big Bird, such as the importance of confidence, courage, and friendship. "
BingoBoingo: "Winnie the Pooh, on the other hand, wouldn’t know the first thing about courage. If he were on United Airlines Flight 93, for example, not only would he have not joined the revolt against the terrorists, but he probably would’ve gotten down on his yellow knees and sucked the terrorists’ cocks one by one. “Oh, bother!” he would shrug as the al-Qaeda operatives drilled the back of his throat with their pube-slathered ding
decimation: asciilifeform: yes my relatively modest lifestyle needs 10-20 btc/month
decimation: asciilifeform: to the first approximation, we all work for the fed
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trinque: "...it's everyone's duty to support the troops, and also to support the Second Amendment should the day come when we need to overthrow the government and kill those troops."
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decimation: "My excitement was doused when I realized that the lion killer was being painted as the villain. I faced the starkest cultural contradiction I’d experienced during my five years studying in the United States."
trinque: I can see the point; in fact I made a similar one about "satirical" news shows recently
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trinque: still I'll have a chuckle at my own powerlessness
decimation: yes, note that about 95% of the 'satire' is approximately 'those rednecks are so backward/stupid/racsis/dumb'
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <decimation> yes, note that about 95% of the 'satire' is approximately 'those rednecks are so backward/stupid/racsis/dumb' << And yet us comparatively redder necks... Don't have urban hipster problems.
decimation: yes, in general the rednecks don't give a fuck (rightly so)
decimation: a very stark example recently is the outrage/mockery over that lion safari guy
trinque: asciilifeform: I laugh at the gallows, not at any mob power
trinque: but it's a point well made
decimation: "A week later, my mother gathered me with nine of my siblings to explain that her uncle had been attacked but escaped with nothing more than an injured leg. The lion sucked the life out of the village: No one socialized by fires at night; no one dared stroll over to a neighbor’s homestead."
decimation: "When the lion was finally killed, no one cared whether its murderer was a local person or a white trophy hunter, whether it was poached or killed legally. We danced and sang about the vanquishing of the fearsome beast and our escape from serious harm."
decimation: asciilifeform: why with the 'against the nazis'? not exactly a difficult sell
trinque: it is interesting to see that defeating the nazis was such a point of pride even in 85
trinque: pic of the guy wrenching open the swastika jail cell window
decimation: this reminds me of that 'anti-nazi' article I found in the frankfurter zeitung
mircea_popescu: " As such, 5 of the 56 field offices operated by the FBI currently lack a computer scientist assigned to that office's Cyber Task Force."
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 02:42:31; asciilifeform: that's still 2x the market rate for a chimp who clicks a mouse to run 'EnCase'
BingoBoingo: <decimation> yes, in general the rednecks don't give a fuck (rightly so) << Not just lack of giving a fuck, lack of need to give a fuck
decimation: BingoBoingo: it's kinda like how the zimbabwaen tribes are now gonna have stories about why white people root for the lions that eat them
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BingoBoingo: decimation: Any decent Rhodesian tribe is going to kill the lion
trinque: asciilifeform: is this one on page 13 with the american flag on a cloud about "yankees think they can own everything" or something?
BingoBoingo: Just they unlike the Dentist will use an AK instead of a bow.
decimation: BingoBoingo: sure, but the problem remains: why are distant strangers on the lion's side?
BingoBoingo: decimation: My guess is they melt for giant kitteh forgetting they killed all of their giant fittehs
decimation: I suggest anyone who is against lion-hunting: go help guard the lions (without weapons) in their territory. when the lion eats your leg as you sleep, you will know he is doing it with appreciation
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assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 02:54:26; decimation: yes, note that about 95% of the 'satire' is approximately 'those rednecks are so backward/stupid/racsis/dumb'
mircea_popescu: the malnourished, inept population of the coast towns is so fucking ridiculous it'd be rather easy.
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 04:09:48; asciilifeform: where believer is invited to picture himself as blind from birth street urchin etc
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: doubt that it's as complicated as all that. probably just straight mental mapping of the lion in the washington zoo, or even in some cartoon, to the real thing << Last time I went to St Louis zoo they had balding malnourished lions. Surprised local bangers didn't take them as bait for training their pitbulls.
mircea_popescu: first time i hear about this. consequently, i shan't be going.
decimation: I was reading another article somewhere - thier point was that if trophy-hunting whites stop coming to hunt lions because of this bullshit, they are not going to keep the wildlife reserves
mircea_popescu: now you know what it feels like to be a cool kid, asciilifeform >D
decimation: thus, farms encroach, tribes kill lion - result: no more lions
mircea_popescu: "Then the 18 bits of the GA144. Don't be impressed. It is a stupid design error. At the time 18 bits static memory chips where in fashion." << i happen top buy this btw.
mircea_popescu: i was unimpressed reading about it originally, and i stay unimpressed.
decimation: "The only reason I did it was THAT COLORFORTH JUST DIDN'T RUN ON THE THREE MACHINES I HAD AVAILABLE." < my experience too
mircea_popescu: and ALSO, i buy the theory that the principal reason chuck moore is mentioned by name is a successful eight digit settlement iwth intel
mircea_popescu: rather than some sort of technical accomplishment per se.
decimation: asciilifeform: I thought 'colorforth' was written for winblows
mircea_popescu: but you know, just because you like a girl's tits is no cause to think she's got the worlds best hairdo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you lose, i got your own damned rng chips here.
decimation: yeah I guess it runs on 'bare pentium' too
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i made 100 bucks today! BETTING! On what?
decimation: heh apparently chuck moore made a mint suing intel over patent stuff
decimation: sure, but doesn't seem to be getting much traction
mircea_popescu: not really realised much of the settlement, from what i gather, but nevertheless, people love to dream.
decimation: yes and in this he appears to have succeeded
decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders what could be done with an 'intel-class' (14 nm) chip which contains 2^20 little 'stack machines'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: most of the settlement, if indeed there was one and it is not disinfo - went, as always and without exception it does, to the bloodsuckers << This is why if misdemeanor if not dismissed at hearing I intend to fire lawyer.
decimation: there does appear to be some problems with his toolchain with 'scaling' to that many cores
decimation: there's mention of having to write some code 'single threaded' instead of using all the cores on the chip
mircea_popescu: "But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface."
mircea_popescu: i'd be veri curious to see a forth implementation of eulora client.
mircea_popescu: (granted, an 80 yo man, i'm not serving a challenge - merely wondering)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for all i care he can make it work on a forth machine
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for all i care he can put it in narrative form on the fly.
mircea_popescu: i would pay to see this. perhaps not "enough". but still.
mircea_popescu: man wants a challenge, man insists it's lalala-freefoprm and whatnot. fine.
decimation: "you find yourself in a maze of twist passages, all the same"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> man wants a challenge, man insists it's lalala-freefoprm and whatnot. fine. << 1830's were worst decade in US for this reason. Mississippi River sandbars used to be ideal for this purpose. Then state lines drawn in water.
mircea_popescu: if this forth thing is so great, a program to interact with eulora server and convey the results to a human should be make-able.
mircea_popescu: if it isn't, something's fundamentally broken in the entire "forth anything" claims.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i would ghuess the whole pile as it stands atm is just about 1mn loc
decimation: right now the only folks who 'can do' have 1 mn loc C++ shit driving a massive complex custom chip
n6: The bot is giving me a otp for a subkey 3594E367, that I can't decrypt but its telling me Key 05D01131 is what its sending me im at a loss for how to fix this can anyone help?
n6: !rate mircea_popescu 1 nice blog
n6: Would revoking the key fix this?
n6: But its a subkey of the 05D01131
n6: I'm not sure says no prviate key, but I thought this was an encrypt only key? at a loss
n6: I have the private key for the main ID 05D01131 but not 3594E367
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mircea_popescu: and whyt do you imagien you can revoke a key if you don't have its privkey
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4738 @ 0.0005438 = 2.5765 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose one day sks servers list a random key for you too ?
mircea_popescu: anyway i think assbot should always use the main not some random subkey
n6: Where do I go from here?
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mircea_popescu: but needless to say this is not a normal state for your key.
trinque: "you'll shoot your eye out!"
decimation: how is it possible for someone else to add a subkey? isn't it signed by the main key?
n6: Should have been more careful with my keys this seems like user error on my end rather then somehting wrong with the bot. Why can't I just revoke the subkey with the sec key from the main key?
decimation: because the sks server will keep your revoked key forever
decimation: I'm not sure which one assbot will pick to auth
decimation: the media often uses phrases like that
decimation: wtf does it mean to have a mall on 'lockdown'?
decimation: like, don't leave so you can be shot too?
trinque: probably shutting all the gates for the stores
trinque: we had "lockdown" in my shitty Florida middle school
trinque: for brawls, weapon situations, etc
trinque: as a child with books in his home I remember being quite surprised that this was a thing
trinque: being bussed to a school full of black kids eating each other, more or less
decimation: as a kid in the early 90's I don't remember this being a thing
trinque: depends on the gang situation in your town
trinque: orcs at this school were fully grown in terms of their fucking, fighting and stealing capacity
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decimation: actually why should it be surprising in schools? same wards of the state as the gulag
trinque: asciilifeform: the highschool in my hometown was designed by a prison architect
trinque: (I went to another due to a magnet program)
trinque: but the thing was intended to have "no corners to hide in"
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trinque: at any rate, I never suffered under the delusion that the folks around me were any measure of sane
decimation: lolz. I assume it's a 'blank spot' for you cd drive maybe?
decimation: asciilifeform: are you gonna sell your smbx stuff for $$$
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> aha, precisely << When /me worked in mall was in Kiosk sitting in firezone
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe sell as a collection of parts
mircea_popescu: i've never been in one of these "lockdown" bullshit things
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decimation: yeah me too. not gonna do what mall cop wants
mircea_popescu: i remember learning with some amusement about the kindergarten games usians play in airports
decimation: I've read some tidbits about what happens when vip crossed boarder on private jet
mircea_popescu: so far ignoring it worked pretty well. us, zimbabwe and other places that exist for illustrative purposes only.
decimation: apparently there are special teams of usg employees for 'processing' such important folks
BingoBoingo just had the most amazing sandwich. Tomatoes slices and bread
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah supposedly the machines are replacing people on us border points
decimation: heh yeah. I would consider it if I were to travel abroad
decimation: supposedly it parlays into less tsa harassment on domestic flights too
gernika: Good stuff. Claimed it might work in australia - but didn't.
decimation: australia is famously nazi at their border
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Platoon, Company not enough?
BingoBoingo not sure who even uses regiments anymore. Thought replaced by "Divisions"
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BingoBoingo: Ah, when I was a puppy I was told that was called "Chicken and Waffles"
BingoBoingo: Michail1: You showed up, know you've been around. Voiced you because bored.
Michail1: Think I have been here a long ass time, only for logging though.
mircea_popescu: what a fucking nightmare, a "countermobility" unit that drops random nukes
decimation: mircea_popescu: why not? gotta stop the tanks somehow?
mircea_popescu: the only thing that'll do is increase your casualties.
decimation: it's not a particularly large bomb as nukes go
decimation: but it still might trigger the 'ok let's start tossing nukes' scenario
mircea_popescu: decimation that's not the idea. the idea is... so tanks go around, now you're stuck with some units caught between a crater fgulla radioactive water and enemy spear units
BingoBoingo: Backpack nuke is referred to as Chicken and Waffles because dark meat makes dents in the world
decimation: mircea_popescu: I assume this would all happen well into enemy territory
decimation: by men who have a pretty good hint that they ain't coming home
mircea_popescu: imagine if the week after wehrmacht broke its cock in stalingrad
mircea_popescu: and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense.
decimation: sounds like an effective way to cover a retreat
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the us got beaten to shit about 5000 times since ww2, or roughly speaking "in every engagement to date".
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense. << That sort of precision seems to demand people's backs
decimation: I thought the british gave that to tom cruise
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe an issue with shelf life of acid?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.' << Guess the gold/brass ratio in the spring
BingoBoingo: If otherwise Laundered from Boeing by Maytag
BingoBoingo: "The Marrakesh Express has arrived!" Best way to open a game of "dopewars"
decimation: "The ITC has the power to issue an “exclusion order” that directs US Customs and Border Protection to seize the goods. It also has a cease-and-desist power that can be directed at third parties. Violating the cease and desist order can result in a penalty of “$100,000 or twice the domestic value of the articles,” whichever is greater. "
n6: asciilifeform: I tried that but my lack of understanding prevented me from getting it working. went the docs still coulnd't get anywhere.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Something will likely appear this week. Moar noise on this frequency than just the braces.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll see if I can get dentist borther to chime in on the braces, but low hopes for that.
trinque: n6: you can find the deps with emerge --search if they're in portage
trinque: python stuff you may need to easy_install or pip install them
trinque: n6: also if you don't mind me asking, how'd you get gentoo installed without wielding emerge?
decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
☟︎ decimation: which I think you suggested awhile ago
decimation: I don't think you could fix 'as-is' without heavily fragmenting memory
decimation: apparently most C++ programs don't even release the memory back to the os
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 00:46:00; mircea_popescu: dPriority /= ::GetSerializeSize(tx, SER_NETWORK);
n6: I used AWS on ben_vulpes's recommendation, after failing to get it working on OS X
decimation: so the only real solution is: don't allocate in the first place
trinque: that's more or less cheating at gentoo
trinque: which is to say you've been dropped into a spaceship already in flight
decimation: asciilifeform: that thread doesn't state specifically, but I assume you are thinking the same (fixed buffer?)
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trinque: n6: mod6's guide would take you through a process which will familiarize you with several of the most-used knobs and switches
BingoBoingo: decimation: Solution is less thalidomide to malloc() mother during pregnancy
n6: trinque: Could you give me a link please?
decimation: asciilifeform: I know mircea would like to push it off, but really I don't see a solution to the memory problem without devising some kind of priority mechanism for txns
trinque: n6: my recommendation for a newb is to go with the first one.
n6: trinque: thanks I'm going to read this and try again. first one is dead?
decimation: BingoBoingo: needs more than miner fee, ideally some kind of 'bolt-on' mechanism for 'paying for a spot in the tx queue'
n6: trinque: thanks let me read this, and try again.
decimation: asciilifeform: it is now. earlier when I brought this up he (and jurov) said that it should be decided out-of-band with node owners
decimation: yes but I mean the fees would be collected directly by the node-owner, not paid via miner
punkman: I don't see many scenarios where miner can't find nice transactions on his own
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 20:14:16; jurov: it's not hard for every node to advertise addy for caching fees
decimation: asciilifeform: it does seem the most 'rational' for the miners to pay for access to the best nodes
decimation: as opposed to the users to pay the nodes for services of questionable value (if it transmits, why care?)
decimation: asciilifeform: well, they might not 'spv' if they had a node network from which they could draw juicy fees
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe they use stolen bunker oil in nigera to power jungle mining farm
decimation: not unless they can also sell mining equipment, not
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 20:13:10; decimation: yes, but you would agree that building such a network with an eye toward minimizingn latency everywhere would be expensive
decimation: it's not gonna be 'free' to build good node caching network, gotta pay $$$ for access to mining 'input hole'
decimation: asciilifeform: say you have the 'fee maximizing' software written
decimation: someone else takes it and runs on a network with less latency than yours
decimation: true, and it has to be balanced against the size of the 'fee haul'
decimation: I suppose this aspect of bitcoin too seems to be inevitably centralized/carteled
decimation waiting for the "ITC" to issue a "general warrant" for bitcoin packets crossing us border
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146950 @ 0.00056235 = 82.6373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30002 @ 0.00056595 = 16.9796 BTC [+] {7}
BingoBoingo: Cars fuckign cars, cats and dogs getting along. Drepper really did beat Linus on Glibc didn't he.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31899 @ 0.00056762 = 18.1065 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Entire English language RPG genre though, based on a shit Aussie flick
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00056762 = 8.6846 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23859 @ 0.00057005 = 13.6008 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14351 @ 0.00055087 = 7.9055 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00056691 = 7.5399 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36279 @ 0.0005534 = 20.0768 BTC [-]
Adlai: trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source?
Adlai: !s verifying deeds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00057082 = 17.5242 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00055531 = 19.7968 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 22:39:05; ascii_field: 'Welcome to regulated America, where once fabulous consumer inventions like refrigerators, freezers, washing machines, and dishwashers have been reduced to a barely functioning state. The reasons are always the same: 1) phosphorous-free detergent, 2) a fetish with saving water, 3) weaker motors that use less electricity, 4) more tepid water due to low default settings on hot water heaters, and 5) reduce
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58080 @ 0.00057114 = 33.1718 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35177 @ 0.00057206 = 20.1234 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47699 @ 0.00055922 = 26.6742 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00056301 = 18.4104 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58674 @ 0.00055339 = 32.4696 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00054966 = 5.3867 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00054966 = 7.8601 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.00054914 = 32.1247 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054839 = 11.242 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97250 @ 0.00054551 = 53.0508 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2102 @ 0.00055337 = 1.1632 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36798 @ 0.00056173 = 20.6705 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 279.43, Best ask: 279.44, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 279.44, 24 hour volume: 10200.05712033, 24 hour low: 278.64, 24 hour high: 284.11, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227427 << strangely, that article doesn't read "russia is acting like a mature adult and is ignoring our idiot child tantrums re "embargo". instead, they graciously allow us to use infrastructure we can't afford, for being poor, the consequence of having been stuck in idiot child mode for decades now"
☝︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00056173 = 25.8958 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:59; decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
mircea_popescu: i'd like to know who people that discuss what i would like or wouldn't like are. so lemme know.
shinohai: Someone dislikes you asciilifeform
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.0005413 = 17.5381 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd prefer this in the form of "running X bit of b-a infrastructure". otherwise...
mircea_popescu: re above thread. and re nat thread, traditionally it's been regarded as "good for bitcoin" to allow consumer folk connect ot the network.
mircea_popescu: i really don't have a strong opinion on it, but i am pretty certain it's not them making you unreachable.
mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving aside the ever present possibility of extremely obscure bug resulting from our changes, it'd be a backbone issue.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the general philosophy of teh interwebs was you know, fault tolerance since day i. "just stand up more nodes" is how one could summarize the internets.
mircea_popescu: the battle dwarves do 133 damage. "piticii de batalie fac 133 stricaciune".
mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest things in nature is watching voiceovered shows in romanian. beats any conceivable mst3k or anything.
mircea_popescu: french is just weird, like, someone's mentally retarded. romanian is hysterical, like someone's very drunk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00055381 = 16.5035 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: asciilifeform: does your node have 40k addresses in its wallet?
shinohai still wants to torrent blockchain f he can ever get a clean sync.
mircea_popescu: shinohai the problem with that is in the verficiation.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 17:50:18; ben_vulpes: Loaded 39823 addresses
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you were complaining about outbound not inbound.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: any suggestions on how to solve that problem?
mircea_popescu: shinohai not really. either you verify or you don't. if you don't, might as well not bother storing a blockchain of unknown origion and run spv. if you do, you do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22502 @ 0.0005629 = 12.6664 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fortunately bitcoin doesn't actually require reliability
mircea_popescu: note that when i stood up an ancient chain, to assuage any conceivable doubts about blockchain contiguity from day one, i let people actually filter it in through the normal process, rather than torrent it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00057383 = 25.9371 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: half again = 50% more, not less
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically : the sestertius was really "semis-tertius", or, half-third.
mircea_popescu: they basically counted halves. half, half-once (1 1/2) half-twice etc
mircea_popescu: indicative of the braindamage bad conventional notation bakes into thought
mircea_popescu: ah, not even a million yet. what sort of video driver is this!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00056958 = 10.1385 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so bitcoin is 93% shittier than power-ranger bitcoin right ?
punkman: I like how detach means combine into a single file?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20451 @ 0.00057069 = 11.6712 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00056585 = 35.5071 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89493 @ 0.00057094 = 51.0951 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: no wonder why shutting down stator takes so long
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12421 @ 0.00056265 = 6.9887 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, yeah. my detachdb forces proper flushing of db ops to disk such that the disk is always consistent. this was (mostly) the behaviour pre 6. the power rangers came up with a retarded scheme where they held about half of txn in memory in an ad hoic cache
mircea_popescu: which results in a situation where killed bitcoinds ruin their blockchain because well... can't make sense of it anymore.
mircea_popescu: who ever came up with the idea that "it's ok to corrupt permanent storage if volatile ram dies"....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00054829 = 16.7777 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Spy agency whistle-blower posts top secret report to 4chan but users dismiss it as 'fake and gay' ... (
http://bit.ly/1IsruCb )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 70 @ 0.10184894 = 7.1294 BTC [+] {18}
mircea_popescu: "John McAfee, the eccentric antivirus pioneer, was arrested in Tennessee for driving under the influence of drugs and possessing a handgun while intoxicated."
mircea_popescu: "The shootout with the police was highly exaggerated and in fact no one was even hit by a bullet, let alone harmed by one. The police knew me and I don't believe their hearts were truly in the shootout, as it is not included in the official report. When I ran out of ammunition, I surrendered quietly and the officers and my self had a cigarette together and joked about my bad aim."
shinohai: Or some other drug discovered in the jungles of Belize.
mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00055415 = 12.69 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: He has no qualms about discussing it, heh
punkman: looks like he hasn't had a haircut for a decade
shinohai: Like half of the people in Tennessee
trinque: Adlai | trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source? << on my laptop and a server, no shithub to be found
trinque: but anyway, if you'd like a copy, I could give you one
☟︎ trinque: the deed transactions spend to an address generated using the sha256 of the bundle as the private key
trinque: bundle is each deed in order with a single newline between
trinque: meaning ascii armor footer and header touching
shinohai: trinque: does deedbot run on limnoria ?
trinque: nah this tenyks bot I no longer like
trinque: has trouble reconnecting, seems like a race condition
trinque: I like that it's built as a core server and the services are independent of that
trinque: rather than strap myself to golang I'm going to jettison it at some point and reimplement the services model in CL
punkman: trinque: did you write the services in go?
trinque: it does pub/sub over redis
trinque: so anything with a redis client would work
trinque: it might be a simple fix to get it to reconnect better; I just lack the interest to cram yet another c-like language into my head
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.0005714 = 36.6839 BTC [+] {5}
punkman: trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14590 @ 0.00057198 = 8.3452 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00057384 = 39.4228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47857 @ 0.00056415 = 26.9985 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2343 @ 0.00055892 = 1.3095 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 15:33:07; mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
ascii_field: (it was to be something like our hypothetical radio relay. but he got belized before it got any traction.)
ascii_field: anyway mcaffee is something almost like a real person and not a good candidate. loose cannon from usg pov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81216 @ 0.00055115 = 44.7622 BTC [-] {6}
trinque: punkman | trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw? << so well I barely notice it
trinque: haven't had a problem yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51111 @ 0.00055984 = 28.614 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: ascii_field: should be listening at 54.68.114.104:8333
punkman: "Well, in my first six movies I was just "Krysta." You know, but then in order to differentiate myself from the 76 other Krystas in the business, I added the "Now." Well, it's all about now, 2008, not next week, not tomorrow. If you wanna fuck me, you can fuck me... now."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82300 @ 0.00055787 = 45.9127 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27538 @ 0.00054829 = 15.0988 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00056256 = 20.871 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: i think my route forward is to back up the existing blockchain, and resync from one of the noble nodes
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: you didn't find anything interesting in that log of mine, did you?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: side note, perhaps qntra'd run something about how noble nodes that have well-ordered blockchains can now be synced from?
BingoBoingo: I think alf may be onto something with the BIP 14 user agent strings. If nodes are claiming maxint protocol version and not serving a user-agent string to turd nodes.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I think I wrote that up already. Just didn't call them nobel nodes.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: that article doesn't highlight chain ancestry
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: any other things i should try before backing up my blockchain and resyncing?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It will likely get dropped in again with other actual Bitcoin news.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> BingoBoingo: ~noble~ << I prefer the dynamite guy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00056348 = 16.9044 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00056441 = 17.2709 BTC [+]
trinque: ben_vulpes: some shells cache the bins in in $PATH
ben_vulpes: guys i dont understand the first thing about computers
trinque: ben_vulpes: open a new term
trinque: ben_vulpes: ah it gets put in /usr/sbin
trinque: probably requires root to run
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00056441 = 16.4526 BTC [+]
shinohai: $google uses for worthless asics
trinque: shinohai: got any wind-related issues with paper?
trinque: shinohai: paperweight joke
shinohai: I was cleaning out my computer junk, found these two old gridseeds I bought like 2 years ago
trinque: ever get any coin out of them?
trinque: I'm always curious whether people had a net gain mining
shinohai: I made roi but using it in dual mode to mine shitty alts. More trouble than it was worth honestly.
shinohai: I mainly purchased them as curiousity.
punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
☟︎ punkman: I suspect the hand-to-mouth miners were only profitable for some very short periods of time
shinohai: Somehow BingoBoingo I feel that article was trolling me
shinohai: Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible?
☟︎ jurov_now: hardly any teen is sure of their orientation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121250 @ 0.00056568 = 68.5887 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: but yes, tis true. hardly any teen is sure of their anything. you get the choice to either force them into a role, and thus get ballet dancers, olympic athletes, women, men, depression and suicide
mircea_popescu: or else let them bubble in their own stew and get redditars. and depression.
mircea_popescu: no suicide because they're not actually competent enough to do it, for the most part.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure there's also a third way, like the communism that actually works (tm)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: l0l wut is this mythical creature that is unsure of things
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem is that dumb speaks to two different things.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:48:15; shinohai: Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible?
n6: ah I thought it might be to good to be true.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:05:00; punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:43:02; assbot: Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu )
mircea_popescu: they're "gay" these teens in the sense the 1910s teens were "warlike"
punkman: is the dolphin using a headless fish as a fucktoy?
trinque: bahahah, that's about as good as the monkey fucking a frog
trinque: I never knew dolphins could do such a lecherous face
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5209 @ 0.00056614 = 2.949 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52738 @ 0.00056749 = 29.9283 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 03:37:01; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla any idea ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00057072 = 14.6104 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
☟︎ pete_dushenski: because maybe that'll make them more secure and trustworthy or something
shinohai: That solves everything doesn't it?
shinohai: Because sbtraction is the most important part of maths
pete_dushenski: because obstruction is the most important part of diddling old software
pete_dushenski: because hey, everyone should just get with the program and use the latest shiniest most califragilistically stupendous apps and oses coming out of everyone's bungholes
pete_dushenski: god forbid anyone actually become accustomed to the tools of their craft and, y'know, improve at their craft !
pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
☟︎ pete_dushenski: and that's really no way to live in the modern age, no is it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35028 @ 0.00057198 = 20.0353 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed
☟︎ pete_dushenski: it's much better if you're always grappling with the superficial changes that the devs on high release every goddam monday
pete_dushenski: it would just be the end of computing as we know it if anyone had 2 months, maybe even 2 years! to actually learn the ins and outs of a program
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: why would you even consider running a downloaded binary
ascii_field: (notice, when i post binaries, they are not for running - certainly not on a computer... but for static analysis)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field because i'm a sucker for punishment and i fail to see the alternative in this case
pete_dushenski: where else does one obtain a web browser, or a photo editor ?
trinque: gentoo's nice for this; you can just archive your distfiles folder
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: what were you looking for? possibly i have it
kakobrekla: hm, anyone ever used this 'exclamation mark' trick to specify the key with which to encrypt with before?
pete_dushenski: dear wot : please to provide photo editor for mac os 10.6 or 10.8 (eg. pixelmator)
kakobrekla: because, to me it doesnt seem to be working.
pete_dushenski: mkay well then the offer is open to any and all -other- in the wot
pete_dushenski: ascii_field but you're right. this is the sane approach
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:03:27; trinque: pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed
pete_dushenski: downloading binaries is nothing compared to downloading winbloze 10.
shinohai: If all the world offered was Windows 10, I'd become the next Ted Kaczynski for sure.
ascii_field: priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper
☟︎ pete_dushenski: re: binaries vs. winbloze. this is perhaps like saying that sticking your dick in a blender is nothing like sticking your head in a shark's mouth.
pete_dushenski: shinohai no see because ted could see a different world than the one he was offered.
shinohai: I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski
☟︎ shinohai: If anyone can think outside the box ....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36681 @ 0.00057266 = 21.0057 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: what i'm saying is that if winbloze 10 is all there is, that's all there is.
pete_dushenski: shinohai within the context of your propostion, fighting against forces of nature makes little sense.
shinohai: Of course not, if you try yo will lose.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:26:15; mircea_popescu: so : you wanna contribute, use this and that markup, then rest is done by itself.
pete_dushenski: shinohai and i agree that we should be thankful for this
trinque: davout: it was punkman re darcs I think
shinohai: I do agree. The fact that there are finite boundaries is comforting to an extent
ascii_field: davout, trinque, et al: i will not be giving any automatic system access to my pgptron.
trinque: I've never used darcs, have no opinion on it
trinque: but I agree with that principle
davout: ascii_field: if you could have a separate pgptron for checking sigs, and the ability to manually insert a signed patch into it?
davout: yeah, that's the point
davout: check fingerprints, trust keys, you can check
davout: with some additional bash script that checks that each key is L1/L2
davout: (for each commit that is)
davout: so basically the toolset reduces to:
davout: 1. versioning system that works sanely (able to extract individually signed commits)
ascii_field: already wrong formulation. why 'extract' when ~they are the canonical representation~
davout: 2. validation script that checks that every single commit is signed by WoT-folks
davout: 3. tiny script that spits out a properly formatted signed commit for inclusion in versioning tool
davout: ascii_field: extract them all if you really insist on having a canonical representation you can frame and hang on your wall i guess
ascii_field: davout: do you understand what 'canonical representation' means ?
davout: the representation you prefer but is semantically equivalent to another representation ?
ascii_field: it means that i will not look at nor will ask anyone else to look at any other representation
davout: "please express any amounts in tonal bitcoin" is what comes to mind :-)
ascii_field: ~can~ have other representations. but for engraving in stone, 'diff -uNr a b' plz.
trinque: with the antecedent named, seems fine
trinque: what I wanted was that tree data structure *somewhere*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5746 @ 0.00057019 = 3.2763 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00057267 = 10.6517 BTC [+]
davout: as long as it's possible to have a tool to work on the patchset it essentially reduces to the same thing, which the only thing I personally care about
mircea_popescu: the idea being that ml + antecedents <=> versioning system that works sanely.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00056316 = 18.359 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 20:57:37; pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:02:17; pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34985 @ 0.00057325 = 20.0552 BTC [+] {4}
shinohai: I wish I had some sort of job where I maintained a bot that archived great pr0n pics perpetually.
trinque: shinohai: stop wishing, and build your porno empire today!
mircea_popescu: holy shit phillip greenspun actually runs windows 10 ?!
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:20:41; ascii_field: priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:23:21; shinohai: I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski
shinohai: Some of his stuff was truly out there, but I admire his abilities in maths.
mircea_popescu: shinohai if you care to make a proposition i'll consider it, but otherwise what is this ? "At 25 Kaczynski became the youngest assistant professor ever to be hired by the University of California, Berkeley" ? i'm not in the demo.
shinohai: Well he understood laptrace transforms, which is more than I will ever know
shinohai: I have always been interested in interpreting time into a frequency
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228030 << to expound on this for the log readership : it is not trivial but definitely feasible to cause any running implementation of asymmetric cryptography to leak key bits if it is possible to direct encrypted matter at it in an automatic fashion and have live access to the results somehow. this theoretical fact is practically verified for pgp, and there's no grounds
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:28:06; ascii_field: checking can be done on a keyless pgp
mircea_popescu: to doubt it stands for any other. consequently, any system that automatically decrypts, or automatically signs, is a hole not a point of security.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if the system only contains public keys, then it can be safely used to verify signatures made by the respective private keys.
mircea_popescu: can we have a -v -v output since you got it all deployed ?
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punkman: kakobrekla: why did you expect something different from the last command in that paste?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell n6 : can you extract and publish your public key as it resides on your machine, as opposed to whatever's on sks servers.
kakobrekla: punkman i hoped for 'gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 05D01131' or what
kakobrekla: or maybe we are missing something with mp
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kakobrekla: mircea_popescu it doesnt seem to be broken key cause the thing doesnt work on other peoples keys as well
kakobrekla: what threw me off was yesterdays debate - what n6 really would want in his position is to get otp encrpyted with F9F5 A57C instead 3594 E367
kakobrekla: however i am not sure this is possible.
punkman: it's a special case indeed
kakobrekla: perhaps he will be able to auth again after 2018-08-29
punkman: n6 needs to re-arrange his keys
punkman: for folks that might still be baffled: gpg creates a master sign-only key that is used to sign sub keys. when you encrypt something for the main fingerprint, gpg chooses an encryption subkey.
punkman: (and yes RSA keys can do both, it's just a flag gpg sets on the keys)
kakobrekla: and the decision on which subkey apparently depends on implementation, not on openpgp standard, from link earlier.
mircea_popescu: gpg: encrypted with 4096-bit RSA key, ID 16B8E32E, created 2011-07-22
kakobrekla: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E
mircea_popescu: one day i'll actually have this entire shitshow in my head.
punkman: and you don't have to carry your master private key around!
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 22:49:53; mircea_popescu: !rate kakobrekla 1 hurr
punkman: kakobrekla: yeah but instead of doing everything on airgap laptop, you can do it on internet connected device
punkman: revoke subkeys every now and then, nobody will notice
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 22:53:46; kakobrekla: except for .. wait for it, need to upload.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i looked since curious nao, trilema grew 66.7536% yoy 2013/2014 and 53.1315% yoy 2014/2015. IT IS SLOWING DOWN!
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu jpg, postcard, from a couple of days ago.
mircea_popescu: "oh come to see our great casino". it was not even up to mall code.
mircea_popescu: (to confirm, originalyl, meant to sign, like we do with the patches.)
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decimation: I asked one of my coworkers if I was dour, he confirmed it was the case.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15682 @ 0.00055696 = 8.7342 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{"sha512sum \"" $2 "\"" | getline x; split(x, a, " "); print $0 " " a[1]} !m { print $0 }'
☟︎ ascii_field: ~verifying~ left - for now - to the alert reader.
ascii_field: this recipe produces a diff usable by 'patch' ~containing antecents~ and ~postcondition~ !!!
ascii_field: replace 'sha512sum' with any checksum util.
jurov: interesting, i was suddenly disconnected "for excess flooding"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00056133 = 11.5353 BTC [+] {3}
n6: grub2-install /dev/sda is giving me that
n6: I fixed it in the make file and redid steps after but still giving me that
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n6: mean the /etc/portage/make.conf is where i messed up
n6: done all the steps after but still wont let me leave
danielpbarron: n6 mount your boot partition from a not borked install
n6: this is the only install I have.
danielpbarron: or perhaps i mistunderstood where you're stuck at, maybe you are still in this live environment
n6: Yes still in the live environment.
n6: Do I need to start over?
danielpbarron: i'd at least go back to where you know you messed up
n6: I have done that, and still isn't working.
n6: No I fucked it up went back tried again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.0005566 = 20.9838 BTC [-] {3}
n6: I built the turd to see if it might work, but it still wont let me grub anything.
n6: I did a genkernel all to see if that would fix it (next step) still nothing.
danielpbarron: i also was not able to get grub2 to work when i installed gentoo
jurov: tried to re-merge grub?
jurov: the GRUB_PLATFORMS looks like compile-time setting
n6: no, this is my first time installing gentoo, how?
n6: still giving me the error