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felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I bet danielpbarron is already working on it. Thank you so much!
mircea_popescu: a cool
mircea_popescu: !gettrust shinohai
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user shinohai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=shinohai | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/shinohai/
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144895 << i dun think there's a dedicated key for that. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 21:42:52; felipelalli: Anyone has the public key of info@bitbet.us? I can't find it on GPG servers.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144909 << eh it's fine srsly. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 22:15:38; kakobrekla: i sucks at ui
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144961 << more like 14 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 23:46:48; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144850 << hey wd. what was it in the end, like 6 weeks or so ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144917 << the idea is that key/identity maintenance is expensive, and so people don't generally want to do it unless needed, which reduces to, unless some woman spent 9 months with it in the oven and then what came out was smart enough to bother. if you want to / need to pgp, use either of our sigs. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 22:20:37; felipelalli: Why don't you put the GPG of bitbet.us on https://bitbet.us/gpg.txt ? Or your GPG? And/or a link to it on the main page? It would be nice!
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron a right you are.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the "identities of things" makes exponentially less sense than the "internet of things"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-05-2015#1144939 << lmao fuckwits. "oh, we're a social media company, people love to communicate with each other and they will be using our platform to do so. because we prevent them from doing it. BUSINESS MODEL!" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-05-2015 22:49:48; kakobrekla: and this is how the exchange of the contact goes through pms: "You +18 can 08 contact 26 me 22 here 1 or 44 on WhatsApp. (My number is in that sentence.)"
asciilifeform back to cockpit
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/616c6aa760d417597aca2417f99935b3/tumblr_mz7nnnrJ651rmm9buo5_400.gif
asciilifeform: piss-poor logz
asciilifeform: shame on you lot.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the funniest part about the medieval japanese cuts is that at the time, bare cunt was the standard there and nowhere else. meanwhile, they have to pixelate it today, lest it jumps out and eats their head or something. ☟︎☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: kinda sad how peoples go retarded over time. apparently a history of sanity is no ward against ulterior rampaging idiocy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik it was u.s. occupation that did it
BingoBoingo: U.S. occupation introduced all kinds of retardation on the Japanese. Panties are one mircea_popescu would probably find Japan better without.
mircea_popescu: eh, the german occupation didn't make the french queasingly quisling, nor did the russian occupation make the romanians poltrons.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Models-of-Couples-Ehon-tsui-no-hinagata-Katsushika-Hokusai-1812.jpg << because check out the easy direct accessibility that was obvious;y the norm.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1144993 <<< which gave birth to bukkake so it's not all bad ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 00:50:22; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the funniest part about the medieval japanese cuts is that at the time, bare cunt was the standard there and nowhere else. meanwhile, they have to pixelate it today, lest it jumps out and eats their head or something.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'makes' in the sense that herbicide creates resistant weeds etc
mircea_popescu: clearly hokusai lived very much like i do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose "selected for idiocy".
mircea_popescu: cazalla that's a point.
asciilifeform: bare cunt was the standard there << wai wat - i distinctly recall these people having had clothing
mircea_popescu: for the genre.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the lolz lists, not only does wikipedia have bad purpose-drawn "illustrations" on the topic, because yeah totally you gotta make another one to illustrate the point, but also they have MULTIPLE, equally bad, ones. like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Wikibukkake_new.png/220px-Wikibukkake_new.png and http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Wiki-bukkake-2.png/220px-W
mircea_popescu: iki-bukkake-2.png etc.
mircea_popescu: (2nd is on spanish wikipedia. because faulklands or some shit)
mod6: alright, have the v0.5.3 Original nmon results up -- I'm moving all of these results in to a more organized dir structure.. (the originals will remain for now since it seems people are still looking at them); one can navigate all of these charts by release & by date tested here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/
scoopbot_revived: Ulbricht to be Sentenced Friday http://qntra.net/2015/05/ulbricht-to-be-sentenced-friday/
danielpbarron: !up adyop
danielpbarron: ;;later tell felipelalli http://danielpbarron.com/felipelalli.txt send to address at the top of the file (assuming you approve of my work)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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danielpbarron: !up Michail1
Michail1: ?
danielpbarron: what's up?
Michail1: I PMed ya. Not for channel.
danielpbarron: I think we have a relationship but I can't recall clearly because i wasn't able to rate you
danielpbarron: your nickname had some gribble magic on it or something
Michail1: Yea. Gribble has an issue with me.
Michail1: yes
danielpbarron: you are of course ratable now under assbot, but i don't recall what i would have rated
danielpbarron: something positive, for busting scammers in -otc i think
Michail1: It's all good. I don't need a rating.
Michail1: Heh. yup.
Michail1: which is why I pmed you.
danielpbarron: is adyop a scammer?
danielpbarron: it's very common for new names to show up in here and then leave after someone gives them voice
danielpbarron: people are very timid
Michail1: yes
danielpbarron: yes he's a scammer?
Michail1: yes
Michail1: bad IP. :)
danielpbarron doesn't think scammers will have much luck in here
Michail1: I didn't think so either. I rarely watch the channel. Saw him come in. got voice. Just was wondering.
danielpbarron: considering that the channel isn't too active at the moment, I little chat from a known scammer might be nice
Michail1: Heh. He likes to talk, but rarely in channel. His English is getting way better than it was only 6 months ago.
danielpbarron: lol he scammed someone for 10 ?
Michail1: yes
danielpbarron: how is there still 10 bitcoin to steal in -otc ??
Michail1: No one has less than 10, rite? heh
danielpbarron: yeah but someone with > 10 who also falls for scams on irc ?
Michail1: Very rare.
Michail1: I forget which nick he was squatting when he scored the 10. I could check.
Michail1: Ahh, he scammed Tabaza
Michail1: wow, been 2 months already.
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.Michail1.2:d0da769214e282574adbd19452233d8f571f506a6f0ea0ac57f9ec5239aad192
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for Michail1 with note: scam hunter
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Michail1: serbian was squatting as EPiSKiNG-
Michail1: correction ---- Blazedout4l9
danielpbarron: always check dat gpg !
Michail1: Ahhh, but he did. He manually typed in the nick insted of copy/pasted.
Michail1: Blazedout4l9 != Blazedout419
danielpbarron: he couldn't have checked the gpg
danielpbarron: or else he would have found that the sig didn't match
Michail1: He checked to see the Blazedout419 was online and gpg authed, but didn't realized that the squatter was using the nick Blazedout4l9
danielpbarron: there's the problem; there is no such thing as being "authed"
danielpbarron: or at least, not any sort of persistant state
Michail1: Blazedout419 was in the channel while Blazedout4l9 wasn't. So, he right clicked the nick he SAW in the channel to see it was authed.
decimation: asciilifeform: lulz > http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2014/07/03/thawing-out/ < That?s a further deterrent to the study of these books, given that many of them are undeniably more complex than their literary predecessors. Bely?s Petersburg, for example, is a masterpiece considered by many critics to be a precursor to the postmodern novel, but it?s a behemoth of a book that requires a linguistic and mathematical genius to fully comp
danielpbarron: he should better have generated a hash of some unique string relating to that specific deal and had Blazedout4l9 sign it with an address
Michail1: yup
danielpbarron: and by sign it with an address i mean include a bitcoin address in the gpg signed block of text
decimation: " And technique aside, these books are difficult because they don?t subscribe to a neat, binary way of thinking, i.e., Soviet Union equals bad, democracy equals good ... In One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, Solzhenitsyn satirizes the evil absurdity and unnecessary suffering of the gulag, and yet he extols the discipline and work ethic that it engenders; since human nature is so lazy and depraved, he muses, perhaps it?s benefici
decimation: my hypothesis (floating around here awhile) - nobody wants to read about soviet times because they will recognize them as being depressingly familiar
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decimation: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/05/25/u-s-versus-german-infrastructure-spending-and-results/ < "?Quality, Not Just Quantity, of Infrastructure Needs Attention? (Wall Street Journal, May 20, 2015) has some interesting data. The U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecation, 52 percent of GDP on ?public capital stock? (infrastructure such as roads, bridges, train tracks, etc.) while the Germans have spent just 35 percent of GDP. What
ben_vulpes: not depreciation?
danielpbarron: !up referredbyloper
decimation: ben_vulpes: eh?
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/Guccifer-Ariana-Rockeller-Brand.pdf << lulzies. nobody cancelled the original lizards.
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decimation: asciilifeform: that presentation is hilarious. 'imma fashionable heiress can i haz ur moneyz'
asciilifeform: decimation: my understanding is that the thing was leaked. was prepared by a pr firm
asciilifeform: as a prospectus.
decimation: is this what passes as 'business' in new york?
asciilifeform: damned if i know. especially mystifying is the fact that someone, somewhere - pays for the service described in the document.
decimation: for me, if a pr firm submits a proposal in the form of powerpoint - automatic blacklist
asciilifeform: for all we know, this was inscribed on panda skin by virgins before being presented.
mod6: i only accept 2d powerpoints
decimation: mod6: with or without 'transition animations'?
mod6: with are preferred, ofc.
ben_vulpes: decimation: "The U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecationThe U.S. has spent, adjusted for deprecation"
ben_vulpes: herp derp
decimation: ah yes a common misspelling
decimation: although one wonders if he really mean depreciation? does he mean us infrastructure rots faster?
decimation: !up adyop
mircea_popescu: Michail1> Heh. He likes to talk, but rarely in channel. His English is getting way better than it was only 6 months ago. << i wonder if anyone ever studied the interplay between so called "immigration" law and "scamming".
mircea_popescu: decimation that sounbds a little like trilema if i do say so myself :D
decimation: heh maybe greenspun reads you
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> not depreciation? << this is a particularly cogent question. the us fudges EVERYTHING, including the actual expenditure on infrastructure through, counting depreciation, counting future "financial costs" etc etc etc. half the political machine in the us works on pork contracts, which are all "infrastructure". that famous bridge in alaska was not even 1% of 1%.
mircea_popescu: a butthole-issued "20 to 25% gdp" is a much more reliable statistic than whatever the miniprop publishes. and it's definitely under germany. one needs but take a walk around detroit and frankfurt to see.
decimation: yeah the best comment on greenspun's article: "This is a subject and comparison that has been written about at length. German roads last longer because they are built substantially better than most U.S. roads. The German system of road construction relies on large long-term contracts with national companies that must build and maintain the roadway and are responsible for repairing any design and engineering defects. There is a powerfu
decimation: the us political system 'selects for' low-bid crony incompetents while strangling anyone with a clue
mircea_popescu: !up Michail1
mircea_popescu: decimation it's a mystery tho. france could also have good infrastructure. itdoes not. i doubt it's the "political" anything, they're about as equally retarded.
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trinque: at least in the american case I think there's a tacit understanding that at least one color of the two is there to loot the federal government, certainly not to do anything constructive
trinque: the fact that the "red states" tend to take more federal money lines up with that
trinque: and of course the second of the two colors are also there to loot, but they dress it up as something constructive
trinque: any idiot off the street will tell you that this "pork" is how it is, has been, will be
trinque: matter-of-fact-ly
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg
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ben_vulpes: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34143564/
ben_vulpes: "so I poisoned the DNS and rejected all outbound connection attempts on port 8333, to force all the wallets to connect to a single local full node, which had connectivity to a single remote node over the Internet. Thus, all the lightweight wallets at the festival had Bitcoin network connectivity, but we only needed to backhaul the Bitcoin network's transaction traffic once."
ben_vulpes: spv's bad, mk?
ben_vulpes: moreover, bitcoining on other peoples networks is bad, mk?
trinque: ben_vulpes: they're seriously thinking of using that avahi turd in their bitcoind?
trinque: or some reimplementation thereof?
ben_vulpes: dude bitcoin-development 2015 is turning into bitcointalk.org 2012
trinque: ah no nevermind
trinque: zeroconf looks to be "zero confirmation txn" in this usage
trinque: it also refers to the 169.254 autoconfig IPs and various other poetteringisms seen in avahi and bonjour
ben_vulpes: no no, someone thinks that's a grand idea
ben_vulpes: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34143498/ << because a .conf file's too hard.
trinque: oh good
trinque: "web of things" is the new web 2.0
trinque: hordes of mouthbreathing visioneers incoming
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ben_vulpes: "The net result was that all Bitcoin nodes (lightweight and heavyweight) on the local Wi-Fi network were unable to connect to any Bitcoin nodes except for the local node, which they discovered via DNS." << and this is an argument for dns in core *how*?
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scoopbot_revived: Even educated fleas do it ! http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/26/even-educated-fleas-do-it/
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mircea_popescu: <trinque> matter-of-fact-ly << only a problem in places which insist on pretending like there is or should be a difference between money and politics.
mircea_popescu: great way to keep the idiot sons employed, sure. but ideally you don't wantthem employed in congress, if at all possible.
mircea_popescu: avahi wait wut
mircea_popescu: in other news, this is why the girl should be taller than you : http://31.media.tumblr.com/20c2f2e3dd873ef89624ae370538a6da/tumblr_mub7xj0noX1sjfxgho1_400.gif ☟︎
mircea_popescu: best explanation ever.
mircea_popescu: http://8ch.net/btc/res/326.html lol
chetty: the guy spoke to SATOSHI so I'm pretty sure we should just trust what he says./// rolling eyes
fluffypony: meh, I spoke to Satoshi too
fluffypony: he makes an excellent Salmon California Roll
mircea_popescu: fucking cheese.
mircea_popescu: who puts cheese in fish i want to know.
cazalla: trying to think of a cheese/fish combo but can't think of anything that might taste nice
cazalla: some sorta cheese sauce on white fish mebe
mircea_popescu: smoked salmon works with a variety of harder cheeses, but i like my sushi rawq
cazalla: i do love blue cheese sauce with some chilli on a schnitty
cazalla: and i do make the best crumbed schnitty in australia
fluffypony: all jokes aside, I must agree
fluffypony: I eat sashimi over everything else
fluffypony: salmon and eel sashimi preferred
mircea_popescu: tuna and salmon
mircea_popescu: dunno about teh eel. i like it cooked.
chetty: ooo eel, havent has that in sooo long, now I am drooling
fluffypony: eel sashimi is cooked
fluffypony: otherwise afair it's poisonous
cazalla: more fugu!
mircea_popescu: i suppose it depends on the eel
cazalla: never had it, never even seen it for sale here at the fish markets
cazalla: there are some local eels not far from here but all the run off from the gutters run into the lake so i'm not game to eat from it (some old fucks catch their eels there and eat em)
mircea_popescu: all fish lives off shit. that's what it is.
cazalla: mind you i considered bagging a few ducks from the same lake
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://i.imgur.com/x3aDjLs.gifv
cazalla: i like turtles
scoopbot_revived: The Producers http://trilema.com/2015/the-producers/
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VputHxyjL00
cazalla: LD is like kryptonite to even the most hardened acolyte of /pol/
cazalla: hot patootie, bless my soul!
cazalla: copypaste, captchas? wtf
cazalla: how am i meant to shit post?
cazalla: this slivivitz is quote nivcer but i think i rather the cherry i had last week
cazalla: ya squat while ya drink it top kek lulz
cazalla: http://i2.wp.com/weirdrussia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/gopnik.jpg
cazalla: copypaste, seriously the captcha is driving me insane
cazalla: ah well wait till tonight, she got hers, now he'll get his
cazalla: don't tell me to stfu and can it
cazalla: janet
cazalla: oh damnit
cazalla: i married a woman more frigid than janet, damnit
mircea_popescu: eh you ever heard that "there's no such thing as frigid women, just unskilled men" ?
cazalla: exception that proves the rule
cazalla: ya heard that one?
mircea_popescu: hehe
mircea_popescu: so whadda ya do all day ?
cazalla: me or her?
cazalla: me.. read logs, look for news, look for work, stare out the window and think of what might be if i had not got her pregnant
cazalla: her.. cry, whinge, complain because kid pulls her hair, her washing off the clothes horse, food out her hand/mouth
cazalla: i mean god forbid, the poor woman is stuck reading books all day long
mircea_popescu: you two ever had a chat bout all this ?
cazalla: fucked if i am going to sit with the kid 24/7
mircea_popescu: an' i dun mean a screaming match.
cazalla: yeah many times but i lock the door and stay in the computer (craft) room
cazalla: nah she doesn't scream or fight
cazalla: just cries
cazalla: maybe she has reason.. been around the world many times, me? never
cazalla: so she knows what she is missing
cazalla: me? not reary
cazalla: yet believe it or not she wants another
cazalla: and we tried last month and i thought of her friend the entire time.. half figured to tell her while banging her
cazalla: but last thing i need is more tears
mircea_popescu: another what ?
cazalla: bubs
cazalla: 2 of the mums at her mums group are already pregnant so i figure some jealousy or envy
cazalla: mind you, all mid 30s dried up vag type women
mircea_popescu: when do you want women to have kids, at 16 ?
cazalla: mine or anyones
cazalla: tbh i don't even know, i got duped by this conservation /pol/ shit just as i thought i was due to drop dead
cazalla: conservative even
cazalla: best gf i had
cazalla: love life wise
cazalla: was the one where we argued, things got smashed, cheated on each other
cazalla: was utter shit
mircea_popescu never cared much for that.
cazalla: but at least it was a passion love/hate fuck fest
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cazalla: i didn't think i did either but my missus won't as much raise her voice without crying
cazalla: it is like dealing with another toddler
cazalla: at least my son has an excuse, he's 16 months old, her? what excuse?
mircea_popescu: what's she do for a living anyway ?
cazalla: nothing now
cazalla: prior to bubs.. marketing pr office shit
mircea_popescu: an' before ?
mircea_popescu: ah.
cazalla: what else eh
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mircea_popescu: so teach her something.
cazalla: what?
cazalla: she has her own hobbies
mircea_popescu: anything you feel like.
cazalla: just can't afford the time atm for her stuff
mircea_popescu: foirget that. just go, "woman, come over i wanna teach you to X"
cazalla: yeah she just isn't like that
cazalla: like i said.. exception that proves the rule
mircea_popescu: how you know ?
cazalla: ya think they don't exist but they do
cazalla: cause i've tried
mircea_popescu: so she cried ?
cazalla: over anything and everything
cazalla: cept instead of my abuse
cazalla: kid beats on her now
mircea_popescu: ;/
cazalla: pulls her hair, she cries, he laughs
mircea_popescu: sounds like a shitty life.
cazalla: well i tell her to go out with the other mums
cazalla: but she acts as if she has 10 kids, not 1
cazalla: but he is pretty full on
cazalla: i can't deal with it without resorting to smashing things
cazalla: so she is left to deal with it
mircea_popescu: sounds like a pretty serious problem brewing.
cazalla: so what? ya belt a 16 month old?
cazalla: they dont understand at that age
cazalla: like i said before he's like a jew
cazalla: he hits you and cries out in pain when you respond
davout: cazalla: moar money than you?
cazalla: davout, yup and by a huge fucking mile
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cazalla: davout, i bitched about this before mind you.. her father provided everything.. and i mean EVERYTHING
cazalla: woman doesn't know how to really do anything
davout: i was referring to the jewish baby
cazalla: oh
cazalla: well by default yeah i guess so he wants for nothing
cazalla: never enough for toddlers though
cazalla: my earliest memory is getting a beating
mircea_popescu: i think jdif is toddler default
cazalla: this kid? doubt it
mircea_popescu: some outgrow it
cazalla: i went fucking mental the other week at her
cazalla: she tells me.. (on account of her sister/mother) that he won't get into a good school on account he is not christianed
mircea_popescu: cause jewish ?
cazalla: lol no
cazalla: just stupid
cazalla: not that i am super smart
mircea_popescu: davout did you manage to get that pogo going btw ?
cazalla: but i am not christianed either
mircea_popescu: cazalla i think it's christened.
cazalla: let him go to a montessori school if not privately tutored
cazalla: maybe but i am drunk like a fish
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with public schools ?
cazalla: it can be xistied for all i care
cazalla: here? nothing when i was that age
cazalla: now? full of riff raff
mircea_popescu: so ?
cazalla: he'd prob get beat up by the nig nogs
mircea_popescu: well...
davout: mircea_popescu: well yes, stuck at the part where i need to put an bitcoind arm binary on the thing
mircea_popescu: at least he gets used to it.
cazalla: where as i fought and won many fights
cazalla: yeah but i grew up fighting a grown man (my father)
cazalla: so taking on 2-3 kids was nothing
davout: an as far as i understand we need to have a static build first, which we don't
cazalla: dont really have the heart to give him a flogging like my father did me
cazalla: my father would flog me with a jug cord when i was lucky
mircea_popescu: davout well... in the absolute purist sense we won't for a while, on account of how thoroughly corrupt the stack is.
cazalla: otherwise it was punches, many a time spent on the ground gasping for air because he winded me
mircea_popescu: but... there is a cvasi-functional build dpb's been using
cazalla: now i figure it was because my father had his own inadequiancies
mircea_popescu: cazalla the way i view it, especially seeing how it's other people's work & labour,
cazalla: but eventually, i toppled even him
mircea_popescu: public school's a great boon. let him fail early. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: rather than grow up to be 30 and THEN discover he really has no place in the world. ☟︎
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but public school here is not the school of hard knocks i went to, it's the school of sjw now
davout: if there's a way to get bitcoind running on the buildroot install i'm interested, my pogo, is waiting, with it's SSD plugged in and all
mircea_popescu: davout you looked through his notes ?
davout: i don't really care that much if it isn't 'pure'
mircea_popescu: cazalla whatever it may be. public school, it's what it is, by definition, like a floating piece of wood on water, always level.
cazalla: remidns me, i need to get my pogo up and going
davout: yeah i did
cazalla: level with what
mircea_popescu: the public.
cazalla: but the public today are weak
cazalla: at least, even 30 years ago, you'd cop a beating from someone
mircea_popescu: so what, you'll build him a speshul earth ?
cazalla: now men of tody are scared to even talk to kids
cazalla: nope
cazalla: if i have my way i'll take him out bush
mircea_popescu: well maybe not at 16 months.
cazalla: australia is fucked beyond repair
cazalla: only took 30 years
cazalla: tbh i blame lack of aunts/uncles/relatives/grandparents for all this shit
cazalla: when i grew up, it's all i knew
cazalla: my son? 1 cousin, 1 uncle, 1 aunty, grand parents live far away, fucking nothing
cazalla: so the mother bares all the burden
cazalla: i got tossed all around the place just a few decades ago if not i went my own way
cazalla: fucking country of pussies
cazalla: someone cussing out muslims makes the mainstream media for hate crimes
cazalla: meanwhile fags were bashed on live tv 25 years ago
mircea_popescu: heh
cazalla: literally
cazalla: fuck australia
cazalla: hope the indochinese come and rape everyone
cazalla: give them a real reason to cry
copypaste: cazalla: https://8ch.net/hola.html
copypaste: Sorry. Site went down four times before I admitted defeat.
copypaste: I offered to pay the Jews off via email, maybe they will accept my offer.
cazalla: yeah i know about that shitty plugin
mircea_popescu: copypaste you know i've been seeing a lot of wobble
cazalla: 8chan is dead already
mircea_popescu: o.O
cazalla: all it took was some jews with some plugins
copypaste: hehe
copypaste: it's worse than that
copypaste: all imageboards without CAPTCHA are dead
copypaste: due to this plugin. just a matter of it getting big enough for a spammer to find it fun to spam.
davout: cazalla: you sound bitter, the cool thing about australia though is that you can easily go live in the middle of nowhere and get away form other humans
cazalla: but we dont have captcha here
cazalla: maybe you add assbot to 8chan eh?
mircea_popescu: copypaste o wow, leveraged tor ?
cazalla: davout, not bitter, just betrayede
copypaste: yes, basically Tor but a much larger network
copypaste: 9M exits srong
copypaste: 0.2% of IP space.
cazalla: davout, and you can't go live in the middle of fucking nowhere, middle of nowhere IS THE FUCKING DESERT
mircea_popescu: copypaste bring it back on a pgp backend.
cazalla: i can't imagine a better scenario for wot than 8chana
mircea_popescu: ^
davout: cazalla: yeah well exactly, you don't get cable tv
mircea_popescu: copypaste also, can i has mah banner on your dead page ? :D
copypaste: dead page?
copypaste: the site's not dead. just requires a CAPTCHA.
mircea_popescu: oh oh sorry my bad
cazalla: you know if you added a wot requirement to post, people would either capitulate and join or leave
mircea_popescu: i misunderstood.
cazalla: both scenario is good outcome
mircea_popescu: copypaste i thought you were ddosed into the ground.
copypaste: nah, it was a layer 7 DoS against post.pp
cazalla: fucking winter so cold here
cazalla: we have ducted heating but.. gets too hot
copypaste: i'll think about it some more in the morning. what would stop bots from generating PGP keys? unless i forced them into being at a certain PGp level of course
cazalla: wow
cazalla: copypaste l2p
mircea_popescu: copypaste for one thing, generating keys is reasonably intensive
cazalla: i can go and create 6 million pgp keys
cazalla: what standing would that give me here?
copypaste: as i said
copypaste: unless i force them into being at a certain WoT level
cazalla: so whip it
copypaste: but at that point it's no longer an anonymous BBS.
cazalla: whip it good
davout: copypaste: also feed them to phuctor
mircea_popescu: copypaste in truth all imagebnoards were always pseudonymous
mircea_popescu: you can't have absolute anonimitycan you.
copypaste: true. well, 8chan lets you post over Tor.
copypaste: if you fill out a captcha and stand on one leg while sticking your tongue out
copypaste: :)
copypaste: fullchan4jtta4sx.onion
mircea_popescu: copypaste this is how pgp evens the odds : a new sig costs about 10x more cycles to make
mircea_popescu: than the spam costs you
copypaste: well, that's only for a secure public key.
copypaste: i could make a PGP key with just any data.
mircea_popescu: ips were cheap before, and you still could handle it. now that they became much cheaper they also became a problem
copypaste: it doesn't need to be secure if i just want to spam
copypaste: that's true
mircea_popescu: and you can replace captcha with pgp challenge
cazalla: more more more
mircea_popescu: always on for 1st use, or if spammy.
mircea_popescu: like this :
mircea_popescu: !rate herp 1 derp
assbot: herp is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: meh
mircea_popescu: !rate cazalla 1 derp
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9ce79021008ac55f
cazalla: i don't really care
mircea_popescu: you put that on the page, they verify they can use pgp, that's it.
cazalla: was drunk before, will be a drunk after
mircea_popescu: cazalla i was getting an otp to show hw dood.
cazalla: nah you were being passive aggressive
cazalla: lol
mircea_popescu: lol. im rarely agressive and never passive.
cazalla: on the defensive?
cazalla: i'll sell you my missus for 1 btc
cazalla: what says you
cazalla: copypaste, taker?
cazalla: fuck i'll give her away for free
cazalla: not even shitting you
mircea_popescu: there's ~3bn women i don't know out there, and at most 20mn btc
mircea_popescu: you do the math.
cazalla: don't even need to
cazalla: a satoshi?
cazalla: i shouldn't even be in this fucking situation
mircea_popescu: well so get out then.
cazalla: bit difficult when a kid is involved
cazalla: maybe bitcoin will allow me to have another missus elsewhere
mircea_popescu: or maybe jesus will. ☟︎
cazalla: but i'll never leave/ditch her on account of her mothering my son
cazalla: she's a good mum mind you
mircea_popescu: so then.
cazalla: just a shitty missus/lay/fuck/cook/cleaner/talker
cazalla: imagine a woman that can't even cook
cazalla: she tried to cook me a meal last week when i did a one day first aid course
mircea_popescu: neway copypaste dun despair man. as seinfeld rabi says, "often, in life, there are problems - and just as often, there are solutions"
cazalla: wasn't even ready by 10pm
cazalla: told her to fuck it and put it in the bin
cazalla: how hard is it to cook lamb shanks
mircea_popescu: so teach her how to cook.
cazalla: in a slow cooker
cazalla: why should i teach her? her father/mother should've
cazalla: she's mid 30s
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you : she prolly set it too low because she was trying too hard not to fuck up.
cazalla: not for me to teach her anything at that age
cazalla: yeah i know exactly what you mean
mircea_popescu: dude forget shoulds. she's your wife, no shoulds.
cazalla: fucks up because of fear of fucking up
cazalla: she really needs a beating
cazalla: just to have a good cry if anything
mircea_popescu: not so far.
Adlai: think of it (teaching her to cook) as an investment in your children's mother/teacher
cazalla: fwiw i dont think anyone needs to be taught to cook
cazalla: should come from within
cazalla: i never read much as half a cook book
mircea_popescu: you don't beat women for existing eh. beating is corrective or perhaps aesthetic, not fucking psychological release.
cazalla: but i can cook
mircea_popescu: well aintcha a little bush hero :D
cazalla: Adlai, i cook the kid's meals, not her
mircea_popescu: erryone that knows to cook does, and erryone who doesn't doesn't. either teach her or else suffar.
Adlai: exactly why you should teach her, so you don't have to do it all yourself
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah well i stomped grapes, she didn't, there ya go
cazalla: Adlai, i love cooking
cazalla: cooking is like breathing
Adlai: except my kitchen doesn't turn into a garbage dump from people just standing there breathing
mircea_popescu: Adlai they've got one hell of a thing going, woman fucks up because she's too petrified of doing a bad job an' disappointing him, and he won't teach her because he's petrified of not being able to, and disappointing her.
mircea_popescu: you two need to get over each other.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, no-one taught me
mircea_popescu: so ?
cazalla: yet i can cook for a king or pleb
mircea_popescu: what, the world is equal to your own personal experience ?
cazalla: well now, we've all gotta eat
cazalla: and by eat
mircea_popescu: i bet no one breastfed you, either.
cazalla: i mean eat
Adlai: "it takes a tough man to cook a tender chicken" or teach a good lesson
cazalla: mircea_popescu, 2 years
cazalla: so clearly i hate on the bitch for only managing 12 months
mircea_popescu: eh don't sell yourself short, you prolly made that tit.
cazalla: and she only did it because i forced it
cazalla: or, just like the rest of the mothers in her "mums group" she would've gone to formula
mircea_popescu: "The terms are simple: you get the first $1,000 every new Luminati customer that you referred, spends with us."
cazalla: may as well toss the kid in the bin at that point like a fucked up meal
cazalla: who ever heard of this bullshit that breastfeeding is something most women can't do
cazalla: yet down under.. standard
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding the inconvenience this is causing our friend, interesting service.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/ac2966bbf55bb0146933fc09d63e3e92/tumblr_myszimu3Y61s7i603o1_400.gif
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mircea_popescu: fucking performance.
mircea_popescu: cazalla listen, in any case : you gotta do things together. that's the long and the short of it. now, if she sucks then what you do will be training, but there's no out of this.
cazalla: i forget if i read this on trilema
cazalla: or some other site
cazalla: the things that attract you to someone in the beginning are things you end up hating about that preson
mircea_popescu: if this is the case you got a problem.
cazalla: yeah i know this
cazalla: i know i ahve a problem
cazalla: sorta what i am whining about eh
cazalla: no kid? i'd be gone already
cazalla: kid?
cazalla: bit of a degenerate to abandon him
cazalla: if i drop dead at 50 and he takes the lot so be it
mircea_popescu: so you got yourself a conflict. better stuff of life.
cazalla: won't leave him without a father though
mircea_popescu: it is, notably, not the woman's fault that you got yourself a conflict.
cazalla: nope, not her fault at all
cazalla: my own fault
cazalla: 100%
cazalla: which is why i stay and suffer
mircea_popescu: and in the latest eulora news : today's bug is, "mp just got a large mining find, so large in fact that it didn't fit in his mining claim, so it got truncated."
cazalla: would be easy to leave if i ascribed 100% of the blame to her
mircea_popescu: who fucking knew, before today, this is a problem o.O
cazalla: she's mine, he's mine
cazalla: and that is that and if it kills me so be it, he'll have a father to do things with and so it goes
cazalla: rahter off myself than leave him alone with her
mircea_popescu: i somehow dun think it'll kill ya
cazalla: well it all adds up eh
cazalla: already aged 10 years in the past 16 months
cazalla: stopped drinking for 2-3 year before he sprung up
cazalla: no-one puts the drink to my mouth mind you
mircea_popescu: right.
cazalla: i mean tbh sometimes i regret even waking up
cazalla: it'd be nice to just lay down, sleep and that's that
mircea_popescu: heh
cazalla: no better way to go
cazalla: and i've seen worse
cazalla: trains
cazalla: car
cazalla: necked
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8zahcz491rsv2j1o1_1280.png << i wonder why these never caught on.
cazalla: bed is bliss in comparison
mircea_popescu: diamond ring for wedding, whore necklace for divorce
cazalla: anyway just as my wife is, youare the exception to the rule so futile to compare
cazalla: would ya believe though it was nothing less than a mexican negro half caste which convinced me about this woman
cazalla: all because she played zelda
cazalla: fuck me and my youth
mircea_popescu: lol wut ?
cazalla: "gamer girlfriend"
mircea_popescu: what a criterion lol.
cazalla: should've gone to the locale catholic or even mormon church to find a woman
cazalla: haah i know right
cazalla: western man
cazalla: chasing a waifu gamer girl
cazalla: what a fucking con that was
cazalla: they play fucking iphone games
cazalla: and she does to this day
mircea_popescu: here's one for you : the only she-assassin i ever met actually proposed to me.
cazalla: playing some bastardised plants vs zombies shit
mircea_popescu: she sounded a lot like you, amusingly. about as drunk.
cazalla: an ex gf wanted to get amrried and have kids
cazalla: was emailing me blocks of land many years ago
cazalla: fucked her off
mircea_popescu: an' why ?
cazalla: because no woman i met was really like that
cazalla: most australian women are like men
cazalla: want to fuck and part ways
mircea_popescu: aha
cazalla: seriously surprised i even spawned a kid
cazalla: if it wasnt for the fact he looks like a carbon copy
cazalla: i'd go innawoods
cazalla: if it wasnt for him
cazalla: live on crown land
cazalla: little hut
cazalla: chop some wood
cazalla: more lumber mi lord
mircea_popescu: no interwebs ?
cazalla: be happy to ditch it at this point tbh
cazalla: maybe login, download logs/emails and that be that
cazalla: no www shit is worth a shit at this point or has been for years, gaming is dead for at least a decade
cazalla: it is all fucked
cazalla: all fucked
cazalla: fucked
mircea_popescu: from experience, this retirement thing lasts about a year
mircea_popescu: three if you're very stubborn
cazalla: then let me die within 3 years
cazalla: all i want is a bit more land
cazalla: small orchard, more gardens, live stock
cazalla: compy 386 to grab some files for some reading
cazalla: i specifically remember this point in high school thinking about the future
cazalla: nothing has fkn changed
cazalla: maybe a bit of lipstick on the pig that is hte internet
cazalla: but really nothing has changed
cazalla: fuck this gay earth
mircea_popescu: well... better video.
cazalla: not even
cazalla: shitty 320*200 jpg got me more exicted than the 4k porn of today
cazalla: better people too
cazalla: "better class of people"
mircea_popescu: meh. 20 years ago chicks kinda sucked at sex.
cazalla: zzzzzzzzzz
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/stats < did the loader script die or something /
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. last night when got home, turned on experiment where it snarfs from pre-filtered (i.e. having rsa moduli) keys
asciilifeform: still not caught up yet though
asciilifeform: possibly tonight will write a civilized loader which forgoes the idiocy of setting up http connection for each key submitted and pumps straight into the db
mircea_popescu: ah cool.
mircea_popescu: what's whis by now, phuctor three major and twelve minor revisiona later
asciilifeform: 1 major
asciilifeform: lost-count-how-many minor
mircea_popescu: let's argue about classification!
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: btw that cazalla thread would make for great reading alongside of the 'why not have children' thread from during c3 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's not for everyone.
mircea_popescu: actually... there's that chinese dizident
asciilifeform: which thing is for everyone? only death, afaik, is definitely 'for everyone.'
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even death. definitely not for woody allen & co.
mod6: i should have waited on my key-retest. lol, got 119764 infront of it in the queue now.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think they're behind not in front
mod6: ah, well, at first there was only 2 in Moduli Remaining, but that number has been climbing.
mod6: no worries.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that article is a tough cookie for my puny brain
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider brief spoiler ?
mircea_popescu: it's insanely hard to translate, because as written it's nearly pure poetry.
mircea_popescu: but i shall endeavour.
asciilifeform: i get this.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145303 << mircea_popescu went to school with built-in graveyard ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 12:44:10; mircea_popescu: public school's a great boon. let him fail early.
mircea_popescu: howssat ?
asciilifeform: in context of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145304 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 12:44:32; mircea_popescu: rather than grow up to be 30 and THEN discover he really has no place in the world.
asciilifeform: the basic observation is sound, in that we have a 'mouse experiment' situation where men (specifically) are built considerably in excess of how many 'places' are to be had for them
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: but outside of quasi-mythical sparta, the winnowing in the past was worked by 'four horsemen' rather than specially-designed school
mircea_popescu: nobody died when/where i went to schoo, contrary to whining to the contrary.
mircea_popescu: idem in the army (not that i went, but i can count as well as anyone)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so what cut down the superfluous males ?
asciilifeform: (implication was - that they died. unless i misread)
mircea_popescu: no, implication was that they came to terms with their life.
mircea_popescu: why perpetuate the delusion, at great cost and for no benefit ?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/he-who-gets-married/
davout: danielpbarron asciilifeform re mircea_popescu's comments earlier regarding bitcoind's pogo, is there any way that i can get it running on the buildroot install before we actually manage to pull-off a static build?
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they came to terms with their life. << did i forget to take my morning lsd today, or what? who and where ever 'came to terms with their life' ?
mircea_popescu: is that a quote ?
asciilifeform: which
asciilifeform: 1st sentence - no
asciilifeform: just statement of utter bewilderment
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mircea_popescu: Dear Judge Forrest,
mircea_popescu: I am writing you this letter in anticipation of my upcoming sentencing. This is a challenging letter to write because, as one who faces punishment, I have a strong incentive to say anything I think might result in leniency. But I have endeavored to be honest and forthright throughout this process, and so I will be in this letter as well.
mircea_popescu: example.
asciilifeform: what next, link to confessions from the trials of '37 ?
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mircea_popescu: "If I had realized the impact my creation of Silk Road would ultimately have on the people I care about most, I never would have created Silk Road."
mircea_popescu: hey.
mircea_popescu: i never bought into the trotskist explainatorism.
mircea_popescu: to me, it stands, as what they said.
asciilifeform: the gods could write a riotously funny book of what folks said while sitting on stakes, boiling in oil, etc
mircea_popescu: tough.
mircea_popescu: weird notion, that somehow "justice" creates a responsibility vacuum.
asciilifeform: interestingly, it is a well-documented fact that when ivan iv sat his courtiers down on stakes, a very common (if not most common) last few hours was shouting 'god save the king'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, there's this woman, who was arrested in '52 alongisde her two year old daughter.
mircea_popescu: cazalla doesn't think much of his wife, but this woman raised a child while hiding in the mountains
mircea_popescu: with her own gun. two winters up there, with her guy. who, also arrested.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and rogozov performed a self-appendectomy in the antarctic.
asciilifeform: what of it.
mircea_popescu: everything of it. what of the rest ?
asciilifeform: what's of it is that you can't be on the edge of every single human performance envelope
asciilifeform: three or four - granted.
asciilifeform: all of them? lsd.
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mircea_popescu: this one, and another of your choice.
mircea_popescu: this one alone will do.
asciilifeform: this one alone sums up to afghanistan.
mircea_popescu: three or four or fifty nine others - unlikely.
asciilifeform: i do not look up to afghanistan as peak of human culture. but that's just imho.
mircea_popescu: culture, no. but culture is not the goal.
mircea_popescu: culture is merely the byproduct.
asciilifeform: let me guess of what
scoopbot_revived: He who gets married.... http://trilema.com/2015/he-who-gets-married/
asciilifeform: of surviving ?
asciilifeform: e. coli has us beat hands down, at that
mircea_popescu: depends what you mean by surviving.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how did the mountain episode end ?
mircea_popescu: she died.
mircea_popescu: http://www.eroinenucsoara.ro/maria-plop-ro.php
asciilifeform: everybody dies
mircea_popescu: she died in prison a year or so later.
mircea_popescu: and i will point out that this is not performance.
asciilifeform: according to the link, did surrender eventually
mircea_popescu: everything else, including dance, is performance. this is merely being.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, no find me the "Dear judge fuckwit" bit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you know the story of schrodinger's public pant-shitting ?
asciilifeform: where he wrote a similar letter to hitler
asciilifeform: which - didn't work
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: note that im not proposing he's any worse a physicist for it.
asciilifeform: one would imagine folks would've learned by now
asciilifeform: not to do this
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't let him marry my daughter on the account.
asciilifeform: iirc he never lacked a harem
mircea_popescu: that was einstein
mircea_popescu: this guy merely had a a live-in gf.
asciilifeform: schrodinger was, iirc, fired from oxford for 'bigamy'
mircea_popescu: more or less. but seriously, who doesn't.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the schrodinger letter to the adolf hitler university senate is not to be found in english
mircea_popescu: freedom of derp.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9920 @ 0.00021753 = 2.1579 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 17408 @ 0.00017168 = 2.9886 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00029892 = 7.9812 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> fwiw i dont think anyone needs to be taught to cook << nah man it's applied thermo, it must needs be taught or learned through experience
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> well aintcha a little bush hero :D << lzlzoll
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> which is why i stay and suffer << bail with the bairn?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25977 @ 0.00029961 = 7.783 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/jeremy-warner/11616509/Jeremy-Warner-How-Iraq-has-left-us-with-the-biggest-financial-bubble-in-history.html
ben_vulpes: "It is also true that contrary to much prediction at the time, it has not proved particularly inflationary."
ben_vulpes: "One thing it has done, however, is put a renewed rocket under asset prices. From fine art and metropolitan property prices, to bond markets and equities, seemingly everything has gone through the roof."
ben_vulpes: how
ben_vulpes: do people
ben_vulpes: reconcile
ben_vulpes: this shit
ben_vulpes: "it's not inflationary except in how it is"
scoopbot_revived: just another day in sunny cascadia http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/26_just-another-day-in-sunny-cascadia.html
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30629 @ 0.00029973 = 9.1804 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Miscellany:Confession_to_the_F%C3%BChrer << schrödinger's shameful letter. english. ☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.vivid.ro/vivid65/pages65/feature65.htm << not entirely unknown in english world
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: http://fusion.net/story/139703/self-parking-car-accident-no-pedestrian-detection/
trinque: ben_vulpes: I think obedience runs (and mustn't it run) far deeper than reason
trinque: inflation is the govt figure published for inflation
trinque: that's what it *is*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00029942 = 10.0905 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ascii_field o joy!
mircea_popescu: nice find
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes way of lyf.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field .ro is romania >D
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: well yes but it sprechens inglisch
mircea_popescu: yeh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17042 @ 0.00029942 = 5.1027 BTC [-]
trinque: hm #bitcoin-assets (or really freenode) just told me I'm not an op of #b-a
trinque: don't believe I performed any operations which would require that...
jurov: https://blocksizedebate.com/ perhaps someone with hn account can lure him here
jurov: and what he pulled the predictions from
ascii_field: 'futarchy' ?!
ascii_field: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/05/futarchy-considered-retarded.html << obligatory mr mold !
jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy_Analysis_Market lol what a gem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33952 @ 0.0002999 = 10.1822 BTC [+]
jurov: "One such market, Intrade, had previously offered futures on events such as the capture of Osama bin Laden, the U.S. Presidential Election, and the bombing of Iran. As of March 10, 2013 though, all trading had been suspended on Intrade's website due to undisclosed financial irregularities."
jurov: !up BigBitz
jurov: !up ascii_field
scoopbot_revived: Former Vault of Satoshi Customers in a Lurch http://qntra.net/2015/05/former-vault-of-satoshi-customers-in-a-lurch/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55200 @ 0.00029581 = 16.3287 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00029976 = 18.4053 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0002999 = 2.7891 BTC [+]
trinque: jurov: whoever wrote that sounds like a drooling moron
trinque: "prediction markets" ... "not a real-money market" ... *predictions down to the cent on price/node count*
trinque: cent/single-digit
trinque: oh lol, they actually gave decimals for the number of nodes too
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the binary symmetries thing trivially follows from the mirrored 32-bit words. work it out on paper.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: glad somebody other than me noticed. now if only somebody other than me were willing to write the obvious proggy
BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/TFvb1OK.png?1
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: wat
BingoBoingo: Apparently more things are genetic. Today amputations, during the French revolution twas decapitations.
ben_vulpes: > obvious proggy
ben_vulpes: hyu
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: have a cup'o'coffee (or standard dose of whatever your favourite performance-enhancing dope) and you'll see it.
ascii_field: hint: multiplication is commutative.
ben_vulpes: i have to say that i'm having trouble holding the whole keysmashing party in my head
ascii_field: incidentally, the thing mircea_popescu suggested doing in his article, http://trilema.com/2015/the-universal-rsa-keys - won't work
ascii_field: or at least, will fail often (when both factors of a modulus appear an even number of times)
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, another trivial thing that follows from the mirroring: every N has 641 and 6700417 as prime factors
ascii_field: but the 'magical' moduli still break into integers small enough to factor trivially on pc
Apocalyptic: why is left as an exercice for the reader
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: i assume you've already worked out the whole thing
ascii_field: and perhaps mircea_popescu also did, but hasn't seen it fit to confess
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
Apocalyptic: I guess it depends on what "whole thing" you have in mind
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: proggy which breaks all of the magic moduli on ordinary pc in a few sec.
ascii_field: into demonstrably prime pieces
Apocalyptic: i'm just getting started, do you have built such a thing ?
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: no. but i suspect that one of you already did.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dun follow ?
jurov: chan demands ELI5!
ascii_field: you fellas don't like puzzles do ya
mircea_popescu: lmao @ fakeissueweretooretardedtounderstand.com
mircea_popescu: where do these dudes come from srsly.
mircea_popescu: jurov in any case, the dumbass "prediction market" thing has a core of rabid fandom, sort-of like whatever subcultural obscura
ascii_field: actually, folks who specialize in stuffing ballot boxes (or the higher-tech usian variant of this, mass-programming meat-puppets for correct-voting) just -love- 'futarchy'
mircea_popescu: as to the symmetries : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/rsa-mystery-one.png for instance doesn't seem like it's 100% bit shifted
mircea_popescu: there are some spots where it breaks down
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: where ?
mircea_popescu: 2nd line 4th bit
mircea_popescu: 59/56
ascii_field: 84 0c 3e 59 84 0c 3e 59
mircea_popescu: 0th error!
mircea_popescu: 5th bit in your universe
ascii_field: 5th bit from bottom of modulus ?
mircea_popescu: hm wtf.
mircea_popescu: well, that 2nd line is all messed up. so first 3 identical, plus 1 on the prev line at end. ok.
ascii_field: ignore the colours
ascii_field: the colourizer is dumb as brick
mircea_popescu: then bits 4-7 different. then bits 8-11 identical
mircea_popescu: but then... mess.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i just cursorily looked at it and didn't expect on the strength of what i saw to actually have DIVISORS that are 32bitshift-and-add
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73889 @ 0.00029347 = 21.6842 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: appears to follow same pattern as all of them - take each 64 bits, copy bottom 32 over top 32
ascii_field: ad nauseum
mircea_popescu: the divisors ? yes. problem is, if you look at the moduli they don't actually follow that pattern exactly throughout
mircea_popescu: moreover, if they did, the result would have to be a divisor that's more like 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 00000000 1 etc.
mircea_popescu: not a 64 bit number
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "unclaimed funds would be reduced by 25% per month until there was no balance." << somebody skipped stochastics 101 i take it.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field but be this as it may, the "won't work" part is much more interesting. wjhy wouldn't the pre-salted keys not work ?
ascii_field: won't work ?
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> incidentally, the thing mircea_popescu suggested doing in his article, http://trilema.com/2015/the-universal-rsa-keys - won't work <<
ascii_field: because gcd(prod, x) ends up equal to x
mircea_popescu: right...
mircea_popescu: if it does, you know all those factors are in keys. if it ends up equal to y, y < x... you've excluded some.
mircea_popescu: which will now be popped in future keys.
mircea_popescu: it's just intended as a catchall.
mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/eb2292f8fb4f8799ea98c7055d9fa249/tumblr_mz0eopKK8p1smxk21o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/07TZSNW
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: replace the test in your copy of 'litmus' with this.
ascii_field: or not
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1TNXJDZ << whole thing
ascii_field: probably should have done this from the start
mircea_popescu: i suppose this would be equivalent, if in fact the moduli were uniformly mangled by the shifting.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me still this isn't thecase.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: seems so
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ./litmus_new.py litmus_mod_only litmus_mods_mirrored
ascii_field: 98/98 come out.
mircea_popescu: o.O
ascii_field: which is to say, it so happens that all the mods which had bottom 64 bits be a mirror pair (as per my original mods-only litmus) had full shebang.
ascii_field: try it yourself. (addressed to everyone)
mircea_popescu: heh. that's some very reliable accident.
ascii_field: now, exercise for reader
ascii_field: we now know merely that each key has one or more mirrored modulus
ascii_field: but nothing in particular about ones which were -not-.
ascii_field: at any rate, we now have a rigorous definition of the type of integer we are concerned with:
ascii_field: mirrored(n)
ascii_field: though, for rigour's sake, i will add that n is a multiple-of-64 bits-long, and is nonzero
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and you don't see a case where such a modulo would not be detected owing to the happenstance that it shares no factors with other keys ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.000296 = 11.248 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: remember how i did litmus
ascii_field: it has nothing to do with phuctor proper
ascii_field: ran on the entire key db
ascii_field: now there could easily be -other- classes of strange
mircea_popescu: that's a point.
ascii_field: but as for mirrored moduli, we have'em all
mircea_popescu: well, sure, there could be all sorts of classes, but there's no call to poke at crabs with a window wiper.
mircea_popescu: i guess that puts it to rest
ascii_field: now write down n as a diophantine equation
mircea_popescu: anyway : mirrored moduli will necessarily have a factor of the form 0x00000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000
mircea_popescu: however long the key is.
ascii_field: aha
ascii_field: there we go
mircea_popescu: which would seem like "a long prime"
ascii_field: and once you've divided by the 'long' turd, what you're left with is small change
ascii_field: factor just as well on '486'.
mircea_popescu: yup
ascii_field: bbbbuttt c0sm1c r4yz !!11!
mircea_popescu: "Of course, we can't understand prediction markets until we understand markets. A market in any two fungible goods, A and B, is any device for discovering the A/B ratio P which equalizes D, the number of people who want to trade P units of A for one unit of B, with S, the number of people who want to trade one unit of B for P units of A."
mircea_popescu: and there he goes, right off into retarded.
mircea_popescu: first off, a market is not a "device". a market is a PLACE. second off, markets exist in unfungible goods - fungibility is not involved. third off, markets exist ONLY with currency, which IS NOT a good. on it goes.
mircea_popescu: the sun's the marketplace for some nucleons trading out energy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51650 @ 0.00028859 = 14.9057 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.0002999 = 9.7468 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up hegemoOn
hegemoOn: wanted to share this article http://parasec.net/transmission/order-book-visualisation/
hegemoOn: a "nanex" like study about 4 months trade on bitstamp
hegemoOn: :)
hegemoOn: and bitcoin electronic trading
hegemoOn: thanks danielpbarron for the +v
mircea_popescu: you wrote it ?
hegemoOn: no
hegemoOn: https://twitter.com/nanexllc/status/603303370129047552
hegemoOn: this is the source
mircea_popescu: aha ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89650 @ 0.00028627 = 25.6641 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> anyway : mirrored moduli will necessarily have a factor of the form 0x00000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000000000010000000000000001000000000000000100000000 // how so ?
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2015#1145602 <<< meh i was rolling down drunk, but being a dad is great fun, just stressful at times ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 14:01:21; asciilifeform: btw that cazalla thread would make for great reading alongside of the 'why not have children' thread from during c3
hegemoOn: good night :)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because if you take 84357349875 and make it 883377448877 then it necessarily will be divisible by 837487
mircea_popescu: !up duduqa
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic 80307040807*
mircea_popescu: and with that i must bid you a very good night.
Apocalyptic: good night
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.0002999 = 21.2929 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72462 @ 0.00028611 = 20.7321 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai: ;;gettrust moarrr
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask moarrr!6d91fcbf@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user Adlai to user moarrr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Adlai&dest=moarrr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moarrr | Rated since: Mon Apr 8 10:32:15 2013
Apocalyptic: myeah but this is in base 10 and you're using the fact that it's divisible by 11 which is 10^1+1 because you mirror only 1 digit-base here, it's exactly analogous to my " every N has 641 and 6700417 as prime factors" earlier claim since notice that 641*6700417 = 2^32 + 1, which corresponds to a 32-bit mirror window length
Adlai: http://pastebin.com/PfAnpwU5
Apocalyptic: ;;later tell mircea_popescu maybe i'm misunderstanding something simple but you could give such a factor for 0xffaaccddffaaccdd3c4b7ff83c4b7ff8 , it's a random 128 bit number constructed as the moduli in question, ( and 0x1000000000000000100000000 does not divide it)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
williamdunne: Hello all, thought I'd help beef up the logs. Been looking hollow last couple of days!
Adlai slaps williamdunne around a bit with a large trout
williamdunne force feeds Adlai three kippers
Adlai: have you come around on the blocksize yet?
Adlai: iirc, you thought it needed enlargenizing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00029965 = 6.4724 BTC [+]
williamdunne: Not quite, I still think at some point it will need to be bigger. Just not Gavin-sized
williamdunne: And not soon, either
Adlai: why would it ever need to be bigger?
williamdunne: 7tx/s doesn't seem enough even for small amounts of utility with summin like lightening on top
Adlai: it works equally well/poorly at 1mb and 2mb
williamdunne: *3
williamdunne: Well, its just a matter of volume isn't it
Adlai: i guess a better question is "what does 'not Gavin-sized' mean"
Adlai: smaller? larger? dynamiker? polymorfic? ☟︎
williamdunne: Gavin-sized is the 50% increase every fuckknows for so many years starting at 20mb
williamdunne: With the goal being sticking everything in the blockchain
williamdunne: I think fluffypony's Monero's way of doing it is pretty interesting tho
williamdunne: But y'know, an experiment
Adlai: for logs' sake, how does fluffypony do it in lolero?
mats: fun fact: Google has the full source to Flash
Adlai: you do too, it's just been preprocessed :)
williamdunne: Mining constantly incentivized by permanent sub 1% inflation, and a dynamic block size which allows something like the median block size of past week +20%
williamdunne: Which of course can go up or down as demand changes
williamdunne: And there is a proposal to automatically reset historical blockchain every x days/months/years to resolve transaction size issue
Adlai: permanent inflation ^_^
williamdunne: Well
williamdunne: Y'know what I mean
williamdunne: Constant issuance rather than a hard ceiling like we have in bitcoin
Adlai: cursory glance confirms that monero has permanent disinflation
Adlai: kinda like qntra!
Adlai: and i don't even have to spam my qntra pushes across the entire userbase
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142450 @ 0.00028853 = 41.1011 BTC [-] {3}
williamdunne: Scoop does that for you
williamdunne: But yeah, kinda like Qntra shares
Adlai: trouble is, there'll come a day when bitcoin inflation is lower than monflation ☟︎
mats: fun fact: nasdaq runs the investor relations portals for most of the fortune 500 companies, on adobe coldfusion ☟︎
Adlai: wait, the f500 are treated by nasdaq as *investors*? ^_^
mats: this thing runs as SYSTEM by default, written in java, and the code was stolen some time ago
williamdunne: <3
BingoBoingo: mats: Does anyone other than "Finance" and "Higher Education" really use coldfusion?
williamdunne: Jeremy Allaire would be proud
mats: ive noticed a lot of municipalities using it
williamdunne: Just read my first bit of ColdFusion, how does anyone write something more complex than Hello World! in it?
mats: a surprisingly large number of folks run java EE and .NET application servers ☟︎
mats: NIST did, for example
mats: http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/nists-national-vulnerability-database-vulnerable/
BingoBoingo imagines what happened was Adobe was giving schools Phree Dreamweaver for classes, and they just ran with it all the way ☟︎
williamdunne shudders
williamdunne: Then again, I began using DreamWeaver (mx?) when I was like 6-7
mats: fun fact: there is a particular ACPI table in that you can put anywhere in a low range of memory during boot, and Windows will take the payload data, drop it as an EXE, and run it as SYSTEM. ☟︎
williamdunne: Security ++
mats returns to studying ios jailbreaks
williamdunne: Its a shame you can't !down IRL
williamdunne: "The UK government should apply the same regulation and identification requirements to bitcoin wallets as it does to bank accounts, Accenture has advised." ☟︎
asciilifeform: !s whip the sea
assbot: 3 results for 'whip the sea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whip+the+sea