phf: adlai: i think gossip spec is fine, just nobody took it to release. asciilifeform has significant changes to the spec, but if you ignore those you can still build a working implementation. in fact, unless you're ascii, i think it's better to ignore further discussion and just stick to what mp wrote. i also think it's one of those ideas you don't want nailed down at protocol level. mine for example slings gpg packets
☟︎ phf:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#page-13 (section 4.) over tcp. i have an incremental packet parser that you can attach to tcp stream and it'll give you packet-by-packet on the other end. that's probably not the right solution for going to war though
phf: i got bogged down in config files and other such minutia, but that's because i wrote it in c and i'm not yet at a level where i can produce elegant c solutions. i also used knuth's web, and since there aren't systems that support web/c syntax highlighting and indent the whole process was very much "grinding your own telescope lens by hand"
mircea_popescu: back in the days trinque was called undata i made the point to him that merely because management is not apparent is a sign that management is extremely competent ; not an invitation to try and scare up some "management stone soup".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: apparently this is a very easy mistake to make ; understandably too, anglosphere management is da pits.
trinque: heh, reading one's own old logs is a trip.
trinque: relatedly, the mental compressor doth not always yield fruitful search terms.
trinque: I remember the conversation clearly, aside from *any* of the phrasing whatsoever :p
deedbot: Sinclair6 voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: oh oh! I found the other thing.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-21 01:13 trinque: must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history
mircea_popescu: phf in practice, once tmsr-rsa is here, i'd expect to do exactly the "sling packets" thing
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 01:15 mircea_popescu: back in the days trinque was called undata i made the point to him that merely because management is not apparent is a sign that management is extremely competent ; not an invitation to try and scare up some "management stone soup".
a111: Logged on 2014-10-30 23:55 mircea_popescu: undata: if only there were some way to organize the efforts of a large number of people around projects <<< there is. you're watching it. just because leadership is not in your face doesn't necessarily mean leadership is absent and it's your time to shine. it may also mean leadership is extremely good at what it does.
phf: trinque: hey what's the current frequency that you send pings and timeout, 30 60?
mircea_popescu: hm, anyone has a link handy to that epic steph kegels library public masturbation thing ?
shinohai: only one i know is flash mircea_popescu, at yer own risk
shinohai: there was an mp4 of that somewhere but i dnt remember
phf: so essentially one ping goes out at 3, and then there's another 30 to get it back
phf: that's what i had in my old bot implementation too
shinohai: bit of a voluptuous girl there mircea_popescu !
mircea_popescu: phf you available to give peter l some pointers re osx build process in #eulora ?
phf: mircea_popescu: oof, there aren't any. i've not updated the build scripts for the new version and it's not a "some pointers" kind of process
phf: i can put new urls into the build scripts and see if it still works (unlikely but who knows, if dev team hasn't touched build process might still be operational)
mircea_popescu: "you have diabethes. the cure is to stop eating sweets." "i'm not stopping eating sweets." "then you will die." "i prefer to die." "fine, but just for the record - stopping with the sweets STILL is the cure for diabethes."
mircea_popescu: unwarranted delusions of independence are his problem, entire.
mircea_popescu: he's born a slave, like it or not. either fuck or get off the pig.
mircea_popescu: that he got off the pig doesn't invalidate the fucking.
mircea_popescu: not so. i don't believe he biologically had a complete set of mechanisms. there was nothign for him.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, for another in his position but not with his condition, the solutions would have been plurious, from the prostration onwards.
phf: well, guy was pathological, but perhaps the idea is that people with lesser manifestations of similar issues should considering serving
phf: he couldn't talk to girls, ok, but he could talk to those same guys that he hated.
phf: asciilifeform: right, but if he recognized them as his betters, he could learn from them is my point, by talking to them, by "serving" them, etc.
phf: instead he hated them, precisely because he thought that he's no worse. it's all through his narrative "girls dig cruel people" and all that stuff. the idea of, say, learning to become cruel (accepting his modality) somehow didn't really enter his mind
mircea_popescu: the notion that "he's no worse" is certainly the largest part of the problem. how the utter fuck is he no worse ? he's the absolute worst.
mircea_popescu: yes dawg. ugly, pockmarked, hunchback kid with poor hygiene habits.
mircea_popescu: i told him to touch nothing and speak not a word lest i behead him ; girls wanted to know who's that and i said pay no mind whatsoever, i got a new dog.
mircea_popescu: i dun exactly recall ; something about whining about very rodgeresque matters within earshot.
phf: mircea_popescu: i misplaced my eulora account, can i get a password reset?
phf: it's for a good cause
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if mircea_popescu had written that rodgier ought to have ~been buggered~, or enslaved by arabs, or similar, i would have no dispute. but it is just as fantastic to posit schmuck going into pederasty willingly, as to picture him growing taller by effort of will << He probably would enthusiastically have embraced getting buggered if he was a level 70 chocolate elfhole while recieving buggery
phf: it sort of works,
http://glyf.org/tmp/eulora-2.png doesn't load any textures though. i'm going to push the update to the scripts, but i won't be able to look at it proper for another couple of weeks
BingoBoingo: That's a pretty good looking horror game there
phf: i think it might be failing to pick up eulora specific assets
BingoBoingo: "I left around the beginning of August. This was my first time traveling alone, and I didn’t know what to expect. Father signed me up to have supervised travel assistance to help me along the way, otherwise I would get lost in the airport." << LOL Airport Special ED!
mircea_popescu: hey, some airports were designed by the mentally retarded
phf: he's like an incredibly dull, millenial take on a gothic hero, a modern day maldoror
☟︎ BingoBoingo: phf: The pollsters say millenials are actually not fucking very much. Too much world of snapchat.
PeterL: too busy staring at their phones to touch each other, no touching means no sex
PeterL: what do you consider the age cutoff for millenials? Or is it a frame of mind rather than a specific age range?
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: znc running in a fucking rubish vps. any problem please swear at me again.
jurov: ;;later tell PeterL run configure as: CFLAGS=-fexceptions CXXFLAGS=-fexceptions ./configure
jurov: ^ since there's no gribble in #eulora
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529496 << just curious - does the gossip spec as it is place any trust in ip addresses? this iirc was one of the points criticized by asciilifeform, i would think it to be a valid one. sorry if this, too, was extensively discussed in the logs.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 01:10 phf: adlai: i think gossip spec is fine, just nobody took it to release. asciilifeform has significant changes to the spec, but if you ignore those you can still build a working implementation. in fact, unless you're ascii, i think it's better to ignore further discussion and just stick to what mp wrote. i also think it's one of those ideas you don't want nailed down at protocol level. mine for example slings gpg packets
phf: it doesn't place any ~trust~ in ip addresses
phf: asciilifeform's objections was that gossipd relies on ip addresses at all
phf: the argument is that technology needs to be entirely routing agnostic, where's now you think in terms of (afair) mappings between keys and addresses
Framedragger: i won't argue the point, sorry for any frustration caused. the thing i have in mind is probably not the "current spec" anyway!
phf: it can be construed as trust if you don't anything beyond what i said, so i also said that there's no trust. of course that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own
☟︎ Framedragger: ..iirc one of the original ideas was to "pass around ip addresses" as things bound to some nick/identity; there is a trust component here; but i'm sure it's evolved since then, etc etc.
phf: that's a pretty useless interpretation of trust
phf: if i tell you "go to such and such place and then once you're there do another validation" you don't have to trust that "such and such place" is valid purely by being there
Framedragger: ..however, it is possible to get drowned in sibyl nodes. but, i get your point.
phf: i don't think there's a solution to drowned in sibyl's in general. there's a cost to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd, there's no "validate the ip, and then trust it" which is what i mean by "no trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker.
☟︎ phf: come to think of it sybil is not the right word in this case, on application level there's no psuedonymity and you only talk to people in wot. on transport level an attacker can construct a valid looking (struct layout wise) pgp packet, which in my naive spec implementation is handed over to gnupg. now you have a bunch of potential attack vectors here, but assuming there's no memory attacks in gnupg, race conditions in gpgme,
phf: etc. you're only dealing with cost of validation. (which could be brought down by having own crypto)
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 12:50 phf: it can be construed as trust if you don't anything beyond what i said, so i also said that there's no trust. of course that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own
phf: yeah it's a shitty transport, that doesn't contradict anything i said though
phf: that's also what i said
phf: but, without proper crypto cost of packet authentication is not 0
phf: current spec doesn't do that
phf: well, since that's never been published we can't even have meaningful conversations about it :p
phf: but that's a very minor detail of the spec!
phf: which layer are we talking here?
phf: so then it's not even about gossip, it's about "lets have a replacement for tcp"
phf: as a final product -- not, but as a teaching tool?
phf: it's like you're now on the other side in the gabriel_laddel mcclim debate
phf: well, then you were arguing opposite point in the mcclim conversation
phf: different kind of foundations, mcclim clx backend. he was saying lets replace it wholesale with a framebuffer renderer. i was arguing that it's better to cleanup clx first that'll make framebuffer renderer easier. i misunderstood your position then. i thought you were agreeing, but i suppose your position was that there's no point in replacing x with lesser alternative at all
phf: there needs to be a feature in logs where you only render a subset of nicks
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: ok i misundestood your position in mcclim debate
phf: asciilifeform: we're in agreement on that one
phf: asciilifeform: going back to gossip conversation, my issue is that the gossip you talk about exists exclusively in your head, where's mp got a spec. there are aspects of gossip functionality that can be explored with current spec despite the underlying tcp transport. and like i said broken transport doesn't invalidate the application functionality. it will leak in practice through tcp shenanigans, but that's the nature of this
phf: particular transport. never the less when the conversation about current spec comes in you are eager to point out how spec is useless. it's a significant effort to drone you out long enough to actually attempt the implementation, and since in my experience attempting the implementation is a significant step in grokking, i think you repeating the same point over and over again actually lowers overall snr.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: shinohai hook it into some api (preferably not bc.info) to do ;;tslb ;;bc,stats etc, it can replace gribble here.
shinohai: iit already has this mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "The beta-males also wish to be alpha, but for whatever reason they are realistically incapable of it, so they must accept the role of trying to impregnate a female when she is fertile by keeping her away from an alpha-male." interesting perspective.
☟︎ shinohai: why do you even read that drivel ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai gotta register it ; -ChanServ- TRS80` is not registered.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: it does not have gribble wot
shinohai: ok gimmie a bit to sign in, i never bothered to register it :/
thestringpuller: "I see the devolution of Western culture upon us because the males have been emasculated with a combination of societal enforcement of child support payments along with the absolute right of the female to divorce taking all the financial support while remaining promiscuous." << actually i have no idea what gender this person is, but makes great points.
trinque: shinohai wrote an eval-bot for BASIC?
trinque: thestringpuller: that shit about "males *have been* emasculated" is nonsense
trinque: exactly the perspective of this elliot guy
trinque: damn, what a culturally relevant piece.
mircea_popescu: trinque ironically, for a long time in [the very repressive, and otherwise bizarre] austro-hungarian society, little girls thought they were castrated. literally, that ancient trick of "i stole your nose" that amuses 3yos ; they thought someone took their penis, which is why they don't look like boys.
mircea_popescu: the subjective experience of loss and inadequacy is a huge underground ocean comprising most of the human bejaviour known as art.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller a "great point" in the sense of it being repeated a lot online. talk to a divorce lawyer sometime, this "absolute right to divorce" does not work that way in practice.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, refer to recent republican record : rando whore divorcing businessman recently got less than 1% of his net worth, and then the judge ridiculed her and cut her loot by 2/3 on apeal.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this, in the uk, by all accounts a worse shithole than the us.
mircea_popescu: including because thousands of little queen's own cunts, aged six to sixteen, openly preferred to be manhandled by pakis rather than commune with english mainstream society.
thestringpuller: First: "Eighteen years, eighteen years / She got one of your kids, got you for eighteen years / I know somebody paying child support for one of his kids / His baby mama car and crib is bigger than his"
thestringpuller: Which is 90% of niggas who impregnate a gold digger no matter how much money they eventually make.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 03:53 phf: he's like an incredibly dull, millenial take on a gothic hero, a modern day maldoror
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller black society is a bad model for just about anything.
thestringpuller: oh i kno. unfortunately for america, it's "pop culture" like the sitcom now. teen pregnancies ain't just for black folk no mo'
mircea_popescu: but the LYRICS they put out are unrelated in any case. you know literature generally lies, yes ?
mircea_popescu: teen pregnancies were traditionally a white thing. this never ever changed ; except for the weirdo new york elliots (they prefer to call themselves liberals) who thought it did because they stopped looking briefly.
thestringpuller: oh man i've been lied to my whole life! I still have my abstinence pledge too!
mircea_popescu: go to alabama, find more 35 yo grandmothers than you can count.
phf: mircea_popescu: did werther turn to evil?
phf: as a gothic stance, "if society rejects me, i will now serve the utmost evil!"
phf: i think that's the funny bit about roger whatshisname, he gets alienated from society and decides to become a scourge, but him and his definition of malice are so dull, it's like a parody of a gothic character
mircea_popescu: "i'm not at greater risk because i'm black, i'm at greater risk because your mother's a whore."
mircea_popescu: phf he doesn't even specifically want to become a scourge. he wants to "they should be punished" ; and "to become a dictator". essentially, like any good liberal/socialist, he JUST WANTS THE STATE TO.
mircea_popescu: his mother should arrange him better playdates through whoring out to lucas or whoever's rich and give him money / hire hookers.
mircea_popescu: (ironically, this arrangement has more historical exposure than everything that passes for "modern democracy". it's both how the ottoman empire worked ; as well as how the jews did middle east for five centuries.)
mircea_popescu: ie, it is traditional, in the sense of "traditional marriage" traditional.
mircea_popescu: phf also, let me register with you my displeasure at you abusing "gothic". it really dun mean what lj thinks it means.
phf: i don't think i meant it in lj sense. i was thinking maldoror specifically, he said something like that in the first chapter
mircea_popescu: or are you just importing wikitardisms, "gothic genre" et all.
mircea_popescu: no i shall insist, because it's fucking annoying. buncha losers. so what, walpole thinks it's ok to tongue in cheek "a gothic novel" ? at the time the word had a meaning, and yes it is a certain forlorn grandiosity et all.
mircea_popescu: Фантастический мир русской романтической повести < there we go! teh russians even agree omg im so impressed.
phf: oh ffs, you are right it is a wikipedism, since i was convinced that it was gothic genre in su school also
mircea_popescu: keep teh faith pure brother! and guard from teh corruptors!
phf: but but i didn't mean gothic straight here, i think that maldoror specifically is already a parody
phf: yeah he grew up in africa maybe?
phf: Uruguay according to wikipedia
mircea_popescu: this must be one of those cases where "borders changed so historical nationalities changed"
phf: he was late 19th century
phf: well, i know that lautreamont didn't consider maldoror his serious novel (he died young though, so i think it was his only output, plus some poetry) and it was explicitly inspired by .. romantic literature of the time. considering how over the top nihilist it is, i assumed that it was a joke
mircea_popescu: published 1868. banda oriental was buenos aires congress 1800-1815, kingdom of brazil 1915-1940, rosas till 49 (and check out the guerra grande btw alf, dude totally beat anglo-french coallition through exhaustion, forced them intio humiliatory peace treaty) and then brazil til 1900 or such
mircea_popescu: "he was a romanian writer from vojvodina (a serb land) in the kingdom of hungary, part of the empire" sorta deal, i guess.
phf: well, unless you mean that his childhood abroad is what made him, he was still a frenchman born in a consulate, and he went back to Paris when he was young
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was a lulzy situation, montevideo was "besieged" for like a decade, they (mostly foreign merchants) ended up calling out a foreign legion, garibaldi showed up...
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:15 phf: particular transport. never the less when the conversation about current spec comes in you are eager to point out how spec is useless. it's a significant effort to drone you out long enough to actually attempt the implementation, and since in my experience attempting the implementation is a significant step in grokking, i think you repeating the same point over and over again actually lowers overall snr.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:17 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "The beta-males also wish to be alpha, but for whatever reason they are realistically incapable of it, so they must accept the role of trying to impregnate a female when she is fertile by keeping her away from an alpha-male." interesting perspective.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:27 mircea_popescu: for that matter, refer to recent republican record : rando whore divorcing businessman recently got less than 1% of his net worth, and then the judge ridiculed her and cut her loot by 2/3 on apeal.
phf: asciilifeform: so far we don't have a complaining problem though
phf: but we don't even have an equivalent of "great thing until it wasn't" produced by tmsr
phf: btw is it possible to chosen-ciphertext attack gpg if it were to sit on the wire?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which takes us to the conclusion of the dispute : yeah he's loud and awkward about it ; but there's genuine problems involved.
phf: apparently it's even in the spec
mircea_popescu: how did it go, "part of groking" or somesuch. i read this recently!
phf: mircea_popescu: it is part of grokking. simply to understand where chose-ciphertext comes in into the whole system, rather than just reddit the conversation. i think we just had a thread about it. i vaguelly suspect the result for an observer is going to be a smug conviction about words
mircea_popescu: phf no i know. my whole point was that it works as intended.
mircea_popescu: ie, you trying to work on it resulted in you being mildly annoyed by what you perceived as out of place comms, which upon actual investigation turned out to be different from what originally seemed to be, and in the process of examining difference important feature of shoreline became illuminated and so on.
phf: i took cmsc414 with him
a111: Logged on 2015-11-28 17:01 ascii_field: when folks start to attempt decryption of whatever piece of shit, just for the asking - then yes, acca
mircea_popescu: for the record, "The departing directors are Meredith Hoban Dunn, Ian Goldberg, Julius Mittenzwei, Rabbi Rob Thomas, Wendy Seltzer and two of Tor’s co-founders, Roger Dingledine and Nick Mathewson. Mr. Dingledine and Mr. Mathewson will remain as leaders of Tor’s technical research and development.
mircea_popescu: Their successors include Matt Blaze, a widely known cryptographer and associate professor at the University of Pennsylvania; Cindy Cohn, Ms. Steele’s successor as executive director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation; Bruce Schneier, a security author and expert; Gabriella Coleman, an anthropologist at McGill University who writes about online activism; Linus Nordberg, a longtime internet and privacy activist; and Megan
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Price, executive director of the Human Rights Data Analysis Group."
mircea_popescu: or how did they call this in ru ? where lenin's wife went, and all the other ambitious wives followed
BingoBoingo: <phf> but we don't even have an equivalent of "great thing until it wasn't" produced by tmsr << BitBet follows, but was produced by TMSR blastocyst
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 12:49 Framedragger: that can be construed as trust, but yeah ok.
mircea_popescu: everyting "can be construed as trust" if one has this scalar notion of trust. "here is what body doing X thing reported its IP to be at the time it was doing the X thing" is a very different statement from "i expect to find my house at the corner of cunt street with shit creek"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:04 phf: i don't think there's a solution to drowned in sibyl's in general. there's a cost to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd, there's no "validate the ip, and then trust it" which is what i mean by "no trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-25 03:13 phf: hehe, actually ambush strategy is one of the reasons there's no known solutions for general networks, which must be a bummer for dod
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529659 << and timing attacks, of course. of all numerous kinds - suppose as a banal example that what i want to do is discern whether key X is yours or his. well, a simple solution would be to add a third i know is not involved, send the same thing to all three, and see which of the susperct two behaves like the third.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:13 phf: etc. you're only dealing with cost of validation. (which could be brought down by having own crypto)
mircea_popescu: if - for instance, and do not reduce to merely this - 1 and 3 answer in 200ms and 2 answers in 600ms, i have my answer don't i.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:41 asciilifeform: (and i will point out that i started on my concept long before mircea_popescu wrote it.)
phf: right timing attacks with gpg as backend i get. i assumed that attacker being able to discover topology is a given (with spec as written)
mircea_popescu: attacker is very free to discover any topology he likes, much in the way attacker is welcome to decipher otp message to anything he pleases.
mircea_popescu: THIS is the important point of security. not "you can't", but "of course you can - which would you prefer"
trinque: BingoBoingo: s/actual/actually/
BingoBoingo: Roundup Xtend 3 is going to be pretty full with all of the week's almost news.
mircea_popescu: yes, but it cuts a chunk of the domain which is conveniently choseb
mircea_popescu: it does promise to be a complete solution for its limited domain, i'll give you that.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For the exotic salt! And the absurdity of post-post-Modernity!
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 16:06 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529659 << and timing attacks, of course. of all numerous kinds - suppose as a banal example that what i want to do is discern whether key X is yours or his. well, a simple solution would be to add a third i know is not involved, send the same thing to all three, and see which of the susperct two behaves like the third.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ceiling is a dirty hack. there's no practical way to guarantee it solves the problem.
mircea_popescu: not that i'm against it. but it does not get classified as solution
mircea_popescu: suppose i can get a process to overrun the time ceiling.
mircea_popescu: if ceiling is absolute, if the program fails to produce output in interval, it'll have to put out error
mircea_popescu: and ARE STILL leaking bits, i measure your error rate now.
mircea_popescu: im starting to think your understanding of practical c is comic-book based.
mircea_popescu: you at some point wrote a c program which, when compiled anywhere, resulted in the same COUNT of cpu cycles being used ?
mircea_popescu: no fucking way dude, compiler will optimize who knows what
mircea_popescu: even if written in straight asm, i doubt the time ceiling can be guaranteed in this manner
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform uh. so now you're married to hardware ? why even do it software then, make gossipd a chip
mircea_popescu: anyway, a device would be neat, but i'm persuaded it won't be the first thing.
BingoBoingo: "The sheriff’s office said deputies and Pinckneyville police officers received a call at 9:18 a.m. Saturday for reckless driving. Nine minutes later, officers tried to stop a blue 2016 Ford Hatchback, which failed to stop, the sheriff’s office said. An officer had to pull in front of the Ford to block it to force the vehicle to stop."
mircea_popescu: i must confess in all discussions of "time ceiling" i assumed clock-based cutoff not this hardcore "my asm runs in subspace" notion.
mircea_popescu: and if you do it in this manner, then yes, it is theoretically possible that i make your program run for longer than the specified interval
mircea_popescu: for... all implementations ? like, it happened to you so now gossipd-central updates my gossipd ?
mircea_popescu: but at least it become evident from this discussion that we'll prolly bundle a performancer, ie something to benchmark key parts of the crypto lib on machines for the user's benefit.
a111: Logged on 2015-11-20 01:49 asciilifeform: like soviet typewriter fp.
mircea_popescu: oh right, we had this with the german museum o' crypto
mircea_popescu: took me all of 2 seconds, and i thought "funny how this works, where one man's stumped another man sees not the trouble"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 16:06 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529659 << and timing attacks, of course. of all numerous kinds - suppose as a banal example that what i want to do is discern whether key X is yours or his. well, a simple solution would be to add a third i know is not involved, send the same thing to all three, and see which of the susperct two behaves like the third.
trinque: well. current mcclim project is run by inclusive shitgnomes.
trinque: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel good luck wringing something usable from those people; they're idiots.
trinque: nothing even worth the mention. they're the types that cry for their mothers when an aggressive argument is brought.
trinque: they banned gabriel_laddel for beating on some fucknut that thought ncurses clim ought to be a thing
trinque: anything even remotely graphical would turn into libcacaesque garble, neh?
trinque: sounds like it turns into the web browser "supports 9999 devices and browser versions" which has never actually been a thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no argument re no-ip-and-raptor scheme. the deeper point for me is that the advances happen so quickly and are so significant that it's yet early.
trinque: asciilifeform: I have no idea what you're talking about
trinque: clim is a graphical UI thinger; how does this map to an 80x25 character display
trinque: that's what I said: libcaca
trinque: crossed the cultural streams!
mircea_popescu: has anyone a spare bedroom/garage/whatever willing to rent to me for a reasoble sum and park gabriel there for a few months ?
☟︎☟︎ trinque: maybe 2016 stanford is just this Slack you show up to
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> has anyone a spare bedroom/garage/whatever willing to rent to me for a reasoble sum and park gabriel there for a few months ? << Parking him in my spider hole would be bad for my sobriety
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo tghere is also that. ideally a married fellow, lest we end up making more gabriel laddels.
trinque: thestringpuller: oh hey, did you want your blog in the rss list?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: but not so much ho bsns, as slave bsns. motel == office. with unpaid interns. think 1980's startup.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think of it as sewage filter. dunno if you've seen ossessione, but anyway : the street blows by all sorts, maybe some junk you'd like to hold on for a while.
mircea_popescu: typical retirement for aged 2nd tier whores. they have just enough connections to make the whole thing work.
trinque: lol, forgot about asciilifeform's requested max spew increase
phf: asciilifeform: i don't know what that was, i'll have to read the log/code but probably sometime later tonight. fwiw it reconnects
phf: it's running on a new irc code, unfortunately pretty close to me going away into desert, but hopefully today tomorrow i'll have time to debug it a bit
phf: basically it's a choice between beta level code that is likely to do something stupid, but not as likely to completely die and stable code that doesn't know how to reconnect dying on wednesday while i'm away
phf: thestringpuller: yes
BingoBoingo: "The court ruled that because the law that defines stealing doesn’t include the value of property stolen as an element of the offense, prosecutors couldn’t charge the woman in the case with felony stealing."
phf: hmm, there's no exceptions, bot's simply timing out. i wonder if i should put a reconnect throttle. i wouldn't be surprised if the ping is timing out, but a connection can still go through. so bot times out, then reconnects, then one ping goes through, another one times out, so bot disconnects again..
phf: or perhaps digitalocean is just shit
mircea_popescu: lol. gawker is about freedom in the sense putin is about gay sex.
danielpbarron:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1530024 << maybe. I'm about to start up my seasonal thing, which means I move in at work, leaving empty space where I currently reside. But that's a really big maybe seeing as how it's not my place and it's a very risky thing, letting someone move in. That aside, the timeframe is perfect. I will be away for more than a few months even
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 17:25 mircea_popescu: has anyone a spare bedroom/garage/whatever willing to rent to me for a reasoble sum and park gabriel there for a few months ?
BingoBoingo: covertress: Lots of reading to catch up on.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's not news. That's sponsored content.
BingoBoingo: How can a serivce have 100 kilousers when it doesn't even have two centiusers?
BingoBoingo: If there were complaints though I'd expect them to actually have increased over the past two weeks as I've taken to walking around with athletic black girl to trigger fat white bitches into hopefully eating less.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that strat works about as well as lonely white kids watching blacked.com in triggering crackers to get more hung.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But this is IRL which haz moar pixels!
pete_dushenski: depends if you're wearing your spectacles or watching spectacles online
pete_dushenski: i may not have grown up in former su, but the arctic is its own kind of strange parallel universe requiring altogether mesmerising adaptations
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But do you know about lol mart
pete_dushenski: speaking of which, cheers to mircea_popescu for the elliot chronicles! i loled many, many times
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: best parts of series thus far, imo, are when parallels are drawns to ro of 70s/80s
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 22:02 covertress: asciilifeform: if i do, you'll be the last to know
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:30 thestringpuller: so: "Holla, "We want prenup! We want prenup!" (Yeah!)"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: hm ? i mean the snowforts of giza and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically it's quite sensible as it's deferred inheritance.
mircea_popescu: but virtually any half-competent estate/tax attorney will explain to you it's fucking dumb to skimp on child support.
mircea_popescu: look : the entire profession of estate lawyer is this : "you want to transfer X sugar from A to B ; with ants eating as little as possible on the way. This is how you time-attack the ants :"
pete_dushenski: greenspun, despite appearing to be happily married and fathering and what have you, is ~obsessed~ with alimony / child support / no fault divorce litigation in the states. he openly advocates that young ladies skip 'career' and instead have illegitimate children with lawyers, dentists, school principals, etc.
mircea_popescu: ie, sooner or later you will want to transfer some money to these children. do it sooner rather than later, escape some tax burden
mircea_popescu: and no, conditionally aka main morte is not like sane people. it's like very insane people.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and to kid, and not to some whore. << Because of Classism.
mircea_popescu: back to the topic : if you're rich, it's probably a bad idea for fiscal reasons to skimp on child support.
pete_dushenski: i've heard of this 'blackholing money' thing. was all the rage circa 2007/8
mircea_popescu: but yes, they do try to eat as much as they can of anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a whole array of settlements and structured etcs available. moreover, if you keep that money and kid inherits it, usg steals 60% not 20%
mircea_popescu: generally, socialist state eats out of societal disension. this is not going away.
mircea_popescu: every time you fuck over your fellow man, an usg nigger and libertard jew cackle in glee.
mircea_popescu: but the overarching, important point is that "some whore" is by far your best ally, and sharpest instrument.
pete_dushenski: there's no solutions for everyone - not homogeneous group!1
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it's arguably a historically accidental set, this.
pete_dushenski: perhaps like making own trojan though - need thousand years, not thousand days
pete_dushenski: not like persians didn't try to make own hoplites, but inevitably ended up buying existing mercs because short-term it was the only practicable solution