undata: on the one hand I agree; something has to be the filter
undata: on the other, it seems the gulag option tends to be... I guess too damned efficient
jurov: the filter to that goal?
undata: mircea_popescu: at its self-licking task of chewing up the population
undata: mircea_popescu: seems like poverty's the best option
mircea_popescu: jurov in general, so that most of each generation succumbs to avoidable causes, and most of the survivors don't dare speak.
jurov: we can try to learn, that's all
undata: I like the idea of paying people to agree to sterilization.
jurov: cazalla is interested after recent experience?
mircea_popescu: if they're some people whose agreement you seek, they shouldn't be sterilised.
mircea_popescu: if they should be sterilised, you have no conceivable reason to seek their approval.
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undata: cazalla: if I'm in the position to consider the cost of using secret police or something to get it done, I might
undata: the agreement is just part of the cheese on the trap
jurov: lol actually we had here an affair with forced sterilization of gypsy women
undata: jurov: they did it here (USA) in the 50s I think, maybe on into the 70s
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to imagine why. all the good slovak fucks i had were gypsy
undata: hah, looks like it was the 1920s onward
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, what is that, a biscuit or something?
cazalla: 976KB, largest block evar?
mircea_popescu: “Regulation - which is based on force and fear - undermines the moral base of business dealings. It becomes cheaper to bribe a building inspector than to meet his standards of construction. A fly-by-night securities operator can quickly meet all the S.E.C. requirements, gain the inference of respectability, and proceed to fleece the public. In an unregulated economy, the operator would have had to spend a number of y
mircea_popescu: ears in reputable dealings before he could earn a position of trust sufficient to induce a number of investors to place funds with him. Protection of the consumer by regulation is thus illusory.”
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mircea_popescu: ah if only bitcoin were around in the 90s, back when greenspan was still in charge.
mircea_popescu: btw, to help publicise the most important, and therefore least well known aspect of the us justice system :
mircea_popescu: ”If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence ... and the courts must abide by that decision.“
mircea_popescu: US v Moylan, 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, 1969, 417 F.2d at 1006
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, an undisputed and for that matter indisputable string of caselaw.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, can't hurt to inform another million.
mthreat: i think so... alfajores everywhere here
mircea_popescu: if nothing else, decent odds it'll get you out of jury duty
mthreat: we got some dulce de leche liquor recently
mircea_popescu: i don't really trust mass produced sweets. in house all the way!
mthreat always gets out of jury duty, as an ex-felon ;)
mthreat: ya. and funnily enough, i once got a jury summons from the very court that convicted me.
mthreat: i think they did it to screw with me ;)
mthreat: although honestly, i wish i could serve on a jury
mircea_popescu: if you want practice, go to boring women's thanksgiving parties.
mats_cd03: jury duty sucks. plebs don't care a whit about proper execution of justice.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 i think the great theory goes, that you don't need people who care, or who are competent, or understand anything etc. you just need enough of them.
mats_cd03: i sat. paid mere shillings per day ... and idiot walked, because jury couldn't be bothered
mats_cd03: negligent discharge, officer killed a bystander in hot pursuit
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mats_cd03: lemme see if i can find proceedings
mats_cd03: rules of engagement in afghan are more stringent than this.
bagels7: [18:30] <+mircea_popescu> bagels7 so what do you do for a living anyway << I hardly make a living, I depend on people
bagels7: my boyfriend pays the rent
bagels7: asciilifeform: no he isn't like that
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla well they prolly have a point <<< not that it matters at this point
mircea_popescu: bagels7 so what do you do, cook and clean ? give head ? sing & play the harp?
bagels7: actually he cooks because he likes to cook, I used to cook.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform teh old guys are really worried that the young guys may find out that the young girls are more impressed with isis-ing than with whatever the old guys clamor to be impressing them.
mircea_popescu: nah but see, not what i mean. obviously the ones that are worth two shits don't need to find out.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, cause i need another woman that can't cook or clean?
mircea_popescu: but the large bulk of pointless idiots that are telling themselves stories
mircea_popescu: should not get to confront the storytelling nature of their activity.
undata: hm, jailing people for "support"?
bagels7: I like clean very much and do the floors almost daily
mircea_popescu: undata it's more amusing than that. 50 years ago, the fucktarded feminists in charge were all about how "love is the answer to all problems"
mircea_popescu: now they changed their tune, loving the wrong guys is no longer the cure.
mircea_popescu: poor unloved isis, no wonder it's going to rape the mdcss in corpore.
undata: mircea_popescu: why is no one embarassed by this kind of thing?
mircea_popescu: what is this bullshit ? i demand equal trophies given to men.
undata: we might as well just roll over and piss in the air
undata: if we can't handle them
mircea_popescu: undata because the ones that'd have enough sense for such a thing long left for isis ?
undata: as long as we're all clear that the US is well into "jailing people for opinions" territory on this
undata: not new behavior for us
undata: mircea_popescu: er um, words. she said certain words that are apparently very dangerous
undata: "it's hot in here, someone kill the thermometer"
bagels7: I make cardboard geometric solids, pretty much all of them, I read crappy news and start crappy arguements with silly opiniated people
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.'
undata: asciilifeform: a documentary comes to mind about the feds helping a group of black dudes "attempt an act of terrorism"
mircea_popescu: bagels7 well like that i can't imagine how you could avoid depression.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "and then she lied about it" reminds me of a very particular thing that struck me a while back.
mircea_popescu: "We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."
mircea_popescu: this struck me when i read it because it is an exact reprise of the scholastics backing the inquisiton :
mircea_popescu: "we punish not for what they did, but because they think they should be punished"
mircea_popescu: now, how some uncultured lout in australia and a bunch of uncultured louts in the us managed to reinvent the exact pits of scholastic thought in 15th century europe
bagels7: mircea_popescu: I started making shapes to originally deal with depression in the first place and originally i was just making drawings
bagels7: after i broke up with my boyfriend I was in a different state of mind
undata: doing something is always a good move
bagels7: mircea_popescu: what specifically
cazalla: bagels7, you know, if you go do some witnesses, jehovah will fill your heart will joy!
cazalla: witnessing even.. this fkn alcohol and my brain
undata: I have a weird theory on depression, that it can often be a sort of phantom suffering phenomenon
bagels7: cazallaI have had enough "spiritual meals" from them in for a million life times
mircea_popescu: bagels7 i dunno, learn how to program computers and start contributing to a project. learn how to turn tricks and start doing outcalls.
undata: that most people actually don't get the recommended dose of suffering to calibrate their head
bagels7: outcalls doesn't lead anywhere good, does it
mircea_popescu: sure it does. you get laid, make money, meet interestinf people...
cazalla: bagels7, you know how to door knock, what's the difference?
bagels7: oh yeah. I have a client that does programming he hates it
undata: bagels7: if you are - as you appear to be - in canada, eat some vitamin d, eh?
undata: which reminds me to do the same...
bagels7: no an outcall client that is a programmer f
bagels7: yeah thanks for the reminder
bagels7: I wish i would meat interesting people but it's not like they want to talk about work with me
bagels7: I like to garden but I don't have any land...it's just nice being in a yard with chicken in the background
bagels7: yeah a black girl in a park recruited me
undata imagines clipboard and tshirt with logo
bagels7: I don't get in cars with stangers though, that's how people disappear
bagels7: I saw some fancy hotels and some guys are nice and one even took me to the restaurant twice
bagels7: some guys are gross and I deal with it
bagels7: Only a few times a month, no more than 5 though sometimes perhaps twice that
mthreat: memories of Los Angeles 1992
mircea_popescu: then you can go to egypt, marry a local man with a harem, live the rest of your days in a garden with some chickens
mircea_popescu: others of which speaking arabic and treating you like teh matriarch
bagels7: Im supposed to charge extra for that?
mircea_popescu: no lol, im just trying to find out how much you charge.
mircea_popescu: so then, 50 worked hours a week ~= 9k, in six weeks you have enough to implement this plan.
bagels7: oh no I only make 80 + tips
mthreat: even apple only takes 30%!
mircea_popescu: no it's not normal. 10-15% is an agency. over that, it's a pimp.
bagels7: well working by myself I keep getting guys that mess around
mircea_popescu: no fucking idea why an agency'd take a pefcent anyway.
mircea_popescu: fixed rate, hired for their services. phone screening or w/e it is, comes to 10 an hour.
bagels7: yeah i been meaning to look around
bagels7: 4 years of which i didnt work a year
mircea_popescu: i tell you, a serious girl HERE makes more than the 80 plus tips 5 times a month you're talking about.
mircea_popescu: and in four years you should already have a list of perms longer than your legs.
cazalla: bagels7, be a gamer girl cammer, some girls are getting thousand dollar tips on twitch
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Almost like the police want a riot << i bet you at least half the police want a riot. logically : 1) all these sweet toys they only get to play with if there's a riot ; 2) police funding depends on riots, their salaries may be on the line in all cases except if there;s a riot ; 3) these uppity niggers ? fuck them!!1 let's show em who's baws.
bagels7: yeah I guess I should get in shape and do my own independent thing
mircea_popescu: and if the town you're in can't provide more cock than you can scissor up, fucking move from that shitspot.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And of course the last thing they might be considering is the outcome where the police lose.
mircea_popescu: roughly the same fuckwits end up recruited by ganglords or the police, you realise. how many retarded kids think of the outcome where they get killed, on any one job ?
bagels7: im not like hot or anything
mircea_popescu: bagels7 that doesn't affect how many people you fuck, just how much you can ask per.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well none of them think that. At least not the ones who go police. Because Hollywood and stuff.
mircea_popescu: in fact, prime girls have more of a problem trying to keep the engine going than A and B cuts.
mircea_popescu: they end up having to do a lot of jetting back and forth.
cazalla: bagels7, you don't have to be hot to be a gamer girl, just play games and talk to the nerds and they'll send you tips, example -
http://www.twitch.tv/karmaah 565 viewers and she is ugly, Top Single Donation : Jamspr $750 Top Donator : Jared0x90 $2540 holy fuck if i was a girl i'd be on there playing pokemon for tips all day
bagels7: mirceau_popescu: yes but I am in a special non typical domain which is not interesting to most men
undata: BingoBoingo: fuckin badass man, like call of duty *takes selfie*
mircea_popescu: cazalla may be on to something. play nekkid wow all day lmao.
BingoBoingo is safely on the other side of the river, surrounded by rural and pale folk
bagels7: or what they call "shemales"
BingoBoingo: bagels7: There's still LiveJasmin or whatever.
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, myfreecams > livejasmin
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo from what i hear camwhoring is doing poorly these days, most of the girls i knew killing the cams years ago are moving back to fucking
BingoBoingo: Ah. I wonder how many guys going from videos to cams just made the jump to actual escorts.
bagels7: i still have like 500 dollars I can't claim on cam4 because my friend went on it and now they want said friends ID
mircea_popescu: bagels7 stop thinking about hundreds of dollars. whoring is a "five digit or go home" sort of affair.
bagels7: yeah but i was just desperately poor
bagels7: I didnt want to make a living, do I have to be famous now
assbot: St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners.Ferguson PDRIOT-ARIOT-BRIOT-CRIOT-DRIOT-E... ... (
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bagels7: I prayed to god for a better way to make money, In fact I prayed just before I met that girl, go figure
BingoBoingo: This is the first time I've listened to a police scanner feed and not been incredibly bored
bagels7: how the hell can I make 5 digits doing THAT
xanthyos: i thought these people were on a higher tier than the tinychat schlubs
danielpbarron: bagels7, try praying to the God of The Bible next time
mthreat: i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too
bagels7: danielpbarron: what other gods are there?
mthreat: where they talk about how to make more money, etc
cazalla: danielpbarron, even Indiana Jones knew God's name is Jehovah (yes, they cherry picked shit like that)
bagels7: danielpbarron: Now you sound like maryjane
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, trunked I imagine. Long periods of silence though so maybe this is the channel of least interest.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or instead they start a Caliphate in Eastern Missouri.
danielpbarron: bagels7,
http://www.atruechurch.info/murray.html Is it not written in your law, "I said, 'You are gods'"? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming," because I said, "I am the Son of God"? (John 10:34-36, bold added)
mircea_popescu: anyone know what this "ESS" is supposed to be in "natural law" clueless nitwittery ?
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mircea_popescu: <mthreat> i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too << there';s at least a hundred, of each.
bagels7: mircea_popescu: It seems comon for agencies to take half
cazalla: undata, it's all white people inside on that video, all black people outside in the other stream i'm watching
undata: cazalla: seems about right
mircea_popescu: cause at the time they were desperate for a friend, a relative, anyone, to hide them somewhere lest they be lynched.
cazalla: i can see borat at bottom left of mid in that image
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: i like how they have yet to announce the indictment. has it leaked yet?
BingoBoingo wants to know what happened to maroon grand prix chrome wheels
decimation: asciilifeform: morse is commonly used in the us by those ignorant of it
decimation: the reason: the FCC requires station identification
decimation: each one of those transmitters is given a special pass from stalin, and he requires continual reminders
decimation: after all, there's only one real sovereign
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decimation: most of the entries in this database are woefully inaccurate
decimation: mircea_popescu: I've been trying to model a long distance version
decimation: a low speed version is possible without a license
decimation: asciilifeform: 2.4 ghz and 915 mhz bands alllow 1 watt out of amplifier if the waveform is spread spectrum
decimation: sometimes the morse is a network or channel number
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: They didn't specify an area code, would be necessary. StL metro isn't that small
decimation: the vast majority of police radio systems in the us use 'apco-25'
decimation: typically trunked with a motorola control channel
decimation: project 25 is a study in poorly wraught beltway banditry
bagels7: oman is weird, they have transsexual women but being gay is illegal. must be a rich country
decimation: scanner listening used to only be a hobby for a few harmless weirdos
decimation: then the 'iphone-streaming remote scanner apps' became popular
decimation: and the poor innocents that undata lauds suddenly listened with intense interest
undata: decimation: what are you talking about?
decimation: feds have been encrypted for a much longer time
decimation: undata: the poor blacks that are constantly murdered by the police
assbot: No indictment of Darren Wilson in the shooting of Michael Brown. Heading to /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash tomorrow. See you soon.
undata: decimation: where do you live?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why the heck is she involved, wasn't she doing finance ?
undata: this "but they shoot each other" thing misses the point entirely
undata: the thing I hate is the bullshit
BingoBoingo: Maybe its recreational mircea_popescu "disaster tourism"
decimation: I've always wondered why there's no 'tour the ghetto' bus in wash dc or baltimore
decimation: right, but I'm talking about a public tour that leaves from union station every hour
undata: masturbation everywhere
undata: asciilifeform: hell, you can go have a picnic and watch depending on the era
BingoBoingo: Windows being broken out, 5-0 is rolling out
undata: decimation: the point I was after is that cops should be obedient slaves to whatever commands them
undata: in cases like this they're just after their own masturbatory power
decimation: 10-codes are another amusing case of sillyness
undata: just like you and your tour
decimation: it turns out that every juristidiction uses thier own codes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everyone around here calls police the 5-0
undata: decimation: I'm certain you'll get to see the cop tanks and other fun toys oppressing whites before long
undata: I'm sure you'll just decide they're "white niggers" and enjoy it
decimation: asciilifeform: that one is pretty accurate at least as of a few years ago
decimation: at any rate, it is amusing in its non-uniformity - 10-60 in anne arundel is 'squad in area' while in pg it is 'bad check written'
decimation: at any rate, it's easy enought to waste some time listening yourself
decimation: it's pointless to want to listen to the encrypted channels anyway, because my experience was that before the cops had crypto they would just use a cell phone
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decimation: asciilifeform: yes, I believe the 'metadata' is contained in the unencrypted header
decimation: "All models of P25 radios of which we are aware will
decimation: receive any traffic sent in the clear even when they are
Vexual: i think the change they keys up too
decimation: asciilifeform: that would be pretty elementry
decimation: mircea_popescu apparently has pill for aes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we are the folk with acres of crays. like no others.
Vexual: where will you find a police radio?
BingoBoingo: Oh two separate calls for tactical team backup nao
Vexual: really? I was gonna put on my best sherrif voice and call gme
decimation: in the us, the usg takes that kind of thing very seriously
decimation: asciilifeform: I found your ip flood amusing - all upnp hilarity
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Vexual: I guess if P25 is breakable theres a reason it hasn't popped up at defon or some such
BingoBoingo: Prolly going to be some sweet videos on WOrld Star Hiphop tomorrow
decimation: Vexual: the above pdf I linked was a usenix, which was kind of a more civilized defcon
decimation: but the point is the weakness isn't the crypto, it's probably all the other stuff mircea_popescu + that paper mentioned
decimation: ie the fact that non-technical cops are going to have to actually use them
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Vexual: and they get shitty when it doesn't work and go back to analogue uhf
mircea_popescu: 3TH/s means, for the record, at something like 150 "times" per hash, that the bitcoin network does ~2**50 time as-is.
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mircea_popescu: decimation just trying to put in perspective the "time" in academic crypto paper.
mircea_popescu: breakage of a cypher that resists to 2**39 time costs roughly speaking a satoshi.
decimation: right, which is why no one uses 1024 rsa anymore (at least anyone who matters)
mircea_popescu: decimation if you think the shocking stupidity of people like "silk road operators" occurs in a vacuum, let me remind you of the special agent that solved the case by excel spreadsheet.
decimation: good crypto is really hard to implement
decimation: and the dunning-kruger effect is strong
ben_vulpes: the donkey kong is strong with this one
mircea_popescu: all this of course presupposes anyone gives a shit as to what fbi agents say to each other.,
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i thought flies spawned and didn't actually fuck
decimation: one could re-interpret the entire military-industrial-intel complex as a giant ego-trip
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well they must do something at some point...
decimation: asciilifeform: you can see the self-licking ice cream cone here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're down to finding out about this trhough its own radio chatter...
mircea_popescu: i confess i don't believe in this jit style of military operations.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I agree with you. one of the downfalls of the us is the large standing army of volunteers
decimation: a military of conscripts has the benefit of 1.) cannon fodder and 2.) actual people that can be sorted into leadership
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm too used to running campaigns where the "enemy" can't even muster the courage to use its materiel.
decimation: asciilifeform: good point, in order to coordinate bureaucratically one nearly always must have enemy agents 'in the loop'
Vexual: thats some art of war stuff there ascii
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me articulate my objection better, out of respect for the attention it's getting.
mircea_popescu: man is given voice to hide his thoughts. your enemy is not to be trusted. why would you trust x thing he's SAYING ? sure, maybe it's true, maybe it doesn't realise you're listening. after you use it, he will. if he's too stupid to, you won't need it anyway. if you need it, you probably should not be fighting anyway.
mircea_popescu: if his brain is not functioning you need not pay attention to him.
mircea_popescu: but, anyway, let anyone fighting a war fight it the way he deems most convenient, who am i to intercede.
assbot: Secret Service Requires Female Agents to Meet Lower Physical Strength Standards Than Male Agents | The Weekly Standard ... (
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decimation: excellent" rating; just one chin-up is enough for her to avoid the disqualifying "very poor" rating."
mircea_popescu: decimation this makes sense. do the experiment yourself, make juciy ass 21yo chicks do chinups.
decimation: I believe usg military doesn't even require one chinup from females - just 'bent arm hang'
mircea_popescu: then look how the shoulders and arms look of a (always titless) woman that can do 11
Vexual: I don't suppose they mean to say the girls aren't allowed to be as strong as the men
decimation: reality must intercede somewhere into usg's neat pronoucements
Vexual: thats that pussy pink inkl you never bought
decimation: asciilifeform: that might be true today, but at the current trajectory (when the females are all in management) will it be true in 20 years?
mircea_popescu: [The two Democratic fundraisers that Obama attended brought in roughly $3.5 million (source). So it would have been far cheaper for taxpayers if Obama had stayed in Washington and the U.S. Treasury had written a $3.5 million check to the Democratic Party.]
mircea_popescu: excellent example of why corruption is not the worst problem in a state.
decimation: mircea_popescu: except legally those actions were 'not corrupt'
BingoBoingo: Second police car down "marked county police car fully engulfed in flames"
mircea_popescu: decimation but if they were corruption, it'd be cheaper.
BingoBoingo: Looter also maybe smarted up, at a bank nao?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get this. what exactly about being a rabid slut makes a woman unfit to command ?
decimation: yeah. In china, there's more of a "the boss can profit if the project works" mentality I am told
BingoBoingo: Also they used the retreat word on the radio
Vexual: nubs: on the satin black its remenicent of leatherbound
mircea_popescu: honestly, the only appeal i see to a life in the military is having a bunch of sex slave commanding officers.
mircea_popescu: kinda like that guy in prison that had the guards tattooed and whatnot
decimation: mircea_popescu: that's 'fraternization'
nubbins`: BingoBoingo share some local news links
assbot: St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners.Ferguson PDRIOT-ARIOT-BRIOT-CRIOT-DRIOT-E... ... (
http://bit.ly/1phiwDC )
decimation: conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah the rediculous helicopters are amusing
mircea_popescu: <decimation> conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. " <<< quite.
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undata: they're going to milk the shit out of that burning car picture
BingoBoingo: Grocery store beiseiged by masked protesters with 10 employees inside. Walgreens looted
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nubbins`: drunk man with bottle of absolut heading to scene
undata: seems it doesn't matter precisely what "demonstrators" do, so long as they "demonstrate" disorder
undata: I don't know that stealing shit is any less legitimate than burning cop cars
undata: nor that legitimacy is the question
nubbins`: still following the guy w/ the vodka
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> drunk man with bottle of absolut heading to scene << lawl.
nubbins`: mp srsly there's a cop on the radio giving updates on him
undata: nubbins`: that's his bidness coat
mircea_popescu: . “Researchers have revealed a robust association between father absence—both physical and psychological—and accelerated reproductive development and sexual risk-taking in daughters,”
undata: fascinating that it has some biology behind it though
mircea_popescu: the mechanism is quite simple : if the males are absent the population is under threat and it must be supported biologically.
BingoBoingo: Walgreens is now on fire, guessing they already took all of the cool drugs
decimation: "During rough-and-tumble play like this, fathers tend to use playful teasing to “destabilize children both emotionally and cognitively,” which children like—despite the seemingly ominous implications of the word “destabilizing.”"
mircea_popescu: it's one of those fundamental apis of reality that'd be implemented in all species-language
mircea_popescu: decimation this is true, and you can diagnose it in adults by their reaction to minor destabilisation.
undata: also obvious, I would think
nubbins`: leave wendy's until they get rid of the pretzel burge
BingoBoingo: Fire Department/Human Shields en route to Walgreens
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah, generally people tend to appreciate people who upset their worldview
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the rats set fire to the lab, what'd you expect they'd burn ? the cages or the files ?
☟︎ decimation: asciilifeform: this is a set-peice opera, with each side playing their part
mircea_popescu: rarely they do, but that's ok, because rarely people are worth bothering with
decimation: mircea_popescu: generally only in retrospect
mircea_popescu: so is this us engaging in honor-burning of mcdonalds ?
BingoBoingo: Police seem more concerned with the Walgreens though
decimation: it's traditional that the businesses that cater to the ghetto are the first ones visited with destruction
undata: attacking the symbols of merica
undata: I guess walmart's next?
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nubbins`: Fergudishu holy fuck there's a trollbox?!?!
Vexual: I'm not sure you can describe humans much at all with rats
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, you are familiar with that set of people who are 'professional anarchists'
nubbins`: white male w/ flag bandana wanted for torching cop car
undata: mircea_popescu: "now now now I know this is a complex and divisive issue..."
undata: that fucking guy can't even squeeze out a statement that has a drop of meaning in it
nubbins`: apparently the flag isn't supposed to be used as a bandana
decimation: asciilifeform: a 'self-licking ice cream cone' indeed
nubbins`: it's crazier than the one on jd
undata: there's serious cognitive dissonance here
undata: this government kills people around the world with flying robots
BingoBoingo: undata: Maybe some of us want both sides to lose?
undata: BingoBoingo: no not in #ba
Vexual: yeah, and ive never given negative fuck b4
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assbot: BREAKING NOW: NYPD Commissioner Bratton was just splattered with fake blood at /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash protest via /jeffrae
http://t.co/2JTLRoEMlg undata: the cognitive dissonance is the thought that a government that has made its *business* killing innocents would protect some guy gunned down in its own streets
decimation: undata: what weight do you lend to the fact that the guy was a thug who just finished robbing a store?
undata: decimation: as someone said above, the rules of engagement in afghanistan were stricter
cazalla: undata, why the sympathy for a nignog that got what he deserved?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's probably true
undata: cazalla: I don't care about the individual
cazalla: i mean really, the shop owner who he stole from should've done what the cop did
undata: the trend is as asciilifeform describes
decimation: only the 'national guard of the people' can be entrusted with the revolution
decimation: undata: perhaps those loose 'rules of engagement' were a tacit acknowledgement of reality?
undata: decimation: that's not a call a beat cop gets to make
Vexual: let the rioters decide
decimation: what should he do, phone washington for instructions?
undata: asciilifeform: searchifility
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah you need a --no-stem option
undata: decimation: the guy shouldn't have shot a guy for yelling at him
decimation: well, he could have been yelling, or he could have been charging with a suspicious object
decimation: I guess the grand jury heard enough evidence either way
undata: yeah 20 mouthbreathing average fucks decided
mircea_popescu: <Vexual> yeah, and ive never given negative fuck b4 << im kinda with him on this one.,
decimation wasn't there, didn't see, can only witness the results
undata: there's video of this; I watched it. The guy didn't "charge"
undata: there's plenty you can't see, but he's just standing there yelling, then on the street dead
Vexual: mircea_popescu: If this was planes landing fast in gotham, I could understand the excitement
undata: haven't heard a single person say "maybe the cop just lacked trigger discipline and was otherwise a coward"
mircea_popescu: <undata> the trend is as asciilifeform describes << how could it not be ? who the fuck ever heard of soviets in soviet russia.
mircea_popescu: the us wants to be like the uk! and pretend it can riot!
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decimation: asciilifeform: as they say in dc, never waste a good crisis
undata: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I don't know, we'll see
decimation: asciilifeform: if anything, this violence is quite unimpressive compared to the 60's
Vexual: punkman could getin there and riot the pants off very fool in it
decimation: but aging hippies are still around, still have friends
undata: don't get me wrong; most of it is limp dicked twitter protest
decimation: nor can they imagine anything else exists
undata: asciilifeform: and hell, there were bombings back then
undata: it's not so that the US never had actual protest
undata: I think things are going to get ugly here; it's just going to take an economic shock along with
Vexual: greeks throw some rocks, yell loug and go home to spill some souvlaki on their bear, let the givt think about it
undata: you combine militarized police with a currency crisis, something of that nature, then maybe
undata: or better stated, right now the protesters still have somewhere to go home to
undata: I'd like to see what happens when they do not
cazalla: undata, you want to avoid this?
undata: cazalla: "I'd like to see"
decimation: "While 27 percent of migrating professionals among the sample group chose the U.S. as a destination in 2000, in 2012 just 13 percent did. The decline was seen across professionals with bachelor’s, master’s and doctoral degrees."
decimation: the relative winners: africa, latin america, ocean, asia
Vexual: what do you like about living in the us asciilifeform?
undata: asciilifeform: I'd think it depends on how many
undata: but it's not a simple thing to predict
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undata: the news cycles on these things are heading towards the minutes-scale
undata: what were we talking about?
undata: my selfish concern is that the goddamn american roof falls in before I've vacated the building.
decimation: unfortunately, there's not an 'american frontier' to emigrate to these days
decimation: millions of times easier to do it there than in space
Vexual: this reminds me of the first time i saw douglas mawson smiling back at me fron the $100 note
decimation: you mentioned the 'radio in port' earlier, plus the south pole
decimation: eh, I bet orlov is more in the send rather than receive racket
undata: if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge
undata: head for the south pacific or something
decimation: at any rate, for folks with the skills, one can track most aircraft at will
undata: asciilifeform: next years business income will be put to work purchasing BTC
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decimation: I bet problems like that one can be solved... by pay money to the right agents
decimation: if you want to 'build slowly' usg will be interested in your form 8938
Vexual: this is why theres some nutters floating around the indian ocean ex capetown
decimation: asciilifeform: I wish usg took more of interest in raising quality rather than maximal extraction
undata: nah, just get more plastic shit on the shelves
decimation: yeah, that's the trend for the past 200 years
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undata: goodnight all; I'm going to make like a good russian in '90 and drink
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mircea_popescu: <undata> if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge << barge powered by ethanol, lemme guess ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> try moving your only 1mil overseas, intact << if it makes you feel any better, when i left romania (the first time) i gave away large chunks of what otherwise'd been "wealth".
mircea_popescu: just like if al saud decides to leave saudi arabia he's not likely going to SELL it.
decimation: mircea_popescu: as to our conversation a few days ago about what King Louis XVI could have done about the socialist uprising, perhaps one answer is that actual people everywhere have an interest in damping the enthusiasm of this kind of mob
decimation: I suppose these kinds of counterfactuals always factor down to 'should have killed private Schicklgruber'
mircea_popescu: looky here, dying empires don't dampen the mob. that's a job for the earlier times.
mircea_popescu: back when men still believed in the future of the entire construction, the effort and inclination to take children and wives over the knee can readily be summoned.
mircea_popescu: once it's fate is sealed, who can be bothered ? would you punish your children for misbehaving in a nuclear shelter ?
decimation: yeah that's a good point. especially if some homeless laut is peddling a false hope in the corner over there
decimation: and so what comes is a generation of spoiled brats, willing to listen to whoever is promising bread & circuses
mircea_popescu: "Let Gingrich and Gore hail the arrival of the information superhighway that "the people" can use to talk back to our "leaders." Their illusive dream of "participatory democracy" will be short-lived.
mircea_popescu: "The information revolution will transform the politics of power just as surely as the broadcast media did 70 years ago. Only this time, power will devolve back toward its sources, not inward toward demagogues seeking to gather it. The Net will subvert the centralized economic and social control mechanisms that allowed the great welfare-warfare states[33] of the 20th century to dominate our commerce, our psychic landsc
mircea_popescu: Wait for the day when citizens, incessantly polled by leaders trying to jump out in front of each passing parade, don't even bother answering the questions. "Do you feel that your group is going to get its fair share of the booty your elected representatives plan to pilfer from that group?" Get lost.
mircea_popescu: I am an American, but my children will be free citizens of the Net. They may reside in this country[22] or that, but their economic and social intercourse will effortlessly span the globe.
decimation: yeah Jim has a point, it seems to me the Internet has a tendency to empower the periphery at the expense of the center
decimation: when communication between the outposts becomes cheap, a giant bureaucracy to 'coordinate' things suddenly seems redundant
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undata: mircea_popescu: I have no philosophical objection to burning gas
undata: whatever the cheapest power plant is at the time will do
undata: I'd plan on still making software for money in such a scenario
undata: I think I could stomach enough human contact to tank up.
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. << this exists in point of fact?
ben_vulpes: <bagels7> can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bagels7 can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly
ben_vulpes: the RT iPhone app is a million times better than the WSJ's
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decimation: I tried to use the deutsche welle app once, it crashed my phone
Vexual: I was just saying, when you're emailing your local member of parliment, realise that it might not be he that reads it, and know what you're selling
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> <cazalla> bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had <<< lol same << lol wait, bagels7 is into bdsm ? << the funny thing here is that *cazalla* is XD
Vexual: senate comittee starts tommorrow
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Vexual: i'd roast it up with some oranges
Vexual: ive been vego for a while
cazalla: Vexual, ya mate zhenya fucked up
cazalla: i've dealt with the auDA fuck heads before, tried to take mah domains off me
Vexual: hes not a mate or an associate
cazalla: Vexual, yeah yeah :P it was a joke
Vexual: i read the anual report tho
Vexual: it's not his main business
Vexual: although the model is quite nice
Vexual: his bitcoin consulting fees were higher than his directors renumeration
Vexual: they made some good moves
Vexual: but theres still this interface between the bitcoin pace and the asx or whatever
Vexual: Yo can watch tmz and dcc, and that melbourne thing that never floated
cazalla: bitcoin group? that guy who is trying to float got social engineered lol and lost like 100 btc and he wants to run a company when he is so stupid to click emails
Vexual: i thought they were supposed to float a few weeks back?
Vexual: what form you do put in when you fail like that?
cazalla: another telstra scam by the looks of it, price is already under IPO on day one
Vexual: anyway zt doesn't mean zou tung anymore, this guy could buy his debt like me buying a cornetto
cazalla: i wonder if zt will just buy back the domain from new owner
Vexual: he might just ask nicely
cazalla: nah, new owner will prob want a pay day
Vexual: i don't think zt needs it tho
Vexual: leaving 36k on the table might be a thing
cazalla: well, he bought it for digital BTC, so technically the company owns it, or did, not him
cazalla: so now he has to go to shareholders and tell them, at least i assume so
Vexual: yeah, ive read the annual
Vexual: it's obviously an oversight
cazalla: on his part yes but common way to get domains in .au
cazalla: auDA won't force new owner to return simply because of a mistake
Vexual: but if you're not using it... eh
cazalla: few times people have taken it outside of auDA and to court though, ZT could do that or simply buy it back which i bet is likely to happen
Vexual: well h ecould verily claim he is bitcoin.com.au
cazalla: Vexual, perhaps new owner just uses it for email, there is no criteria stating he has to have a webpage
Vexual: im sure it will all sort out in the wash
Vexual: anyway, that cunt can just hop n his aero and take a few more bitmain to iceland
Vexual: id guess he cares more about mining his own tx's than a domain name
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Vexual: i tell you wot, id consult for zt
Vexual: if hes worth a mil pa id be 200k
Vexual: but with a loss like that, id recommend less
Vexual: here we go, it;s 20yearmoney to tell u sabout growth
Vexual: Jou Ma Se poes in a fish paste jar.
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mircea_popescu: <decimation> yeah Jim has a point << it was actually one Bill Frezza. jad just reprinted it.
mircea_popescu: <undata> mircea_popescu: I have no philosophical objection to burning gas <<< sure, but if you're on a barge you can't conceivably drill for oil. so ethanol's left.
mircea_popescu: (moreover my point was that growing shit is taking care of the small problem, most of your energetic needs aren't "what to eat")
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. << this exists in point of fact? <<< not quite, no.
cazalla: bitcoin price after last years black friday sale?
cazalla: ah never mind, went to moon soon after
mircea_popescu: by now "price" as reported by "exchanges" is pretty much a random value.
mircea_popescu: all the scams with "margin" and 90% fake trade volume get to report a "price".
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yes but i would prefer that random value be on the lower side either tmw or after black friday
cazalla: not usually something i worry about but i am sure there will be a long line of people handing over coins for useless shit on black friday
cazalla: namecheap 99c .com sounds ok though
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mats_cd03: aw, i fell asleep before all the activity
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ben_vulpes: office space is painfully tight in pdx
mats_cd03: my bets are on the next five years
ben_vulpes puts fuel in the product arm of the biz in a vain attempt to survive the music stopping
ben_vulpes: 'Children’s need to be “stimulated, pushed and encouraged to take risks is as great as their need for stability and security,”' << merry go-rounds aren't a thing in the states any more, because children might get scraped up.
ben_vulpes: mats_cd03: i run a consulting shop. far easier to get contributors to contribute/consult when there's an actual place to go.
ben_vulpes: plus, i'd like host client meetings somewhere that isn't a noisy-as-fuck coffee shop.
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BingoBoingo: Nice work cazalla www.thedomains.com/2014/11/25/bitcoin-com-au-sells-for-31200-as-owner-loses-the-domain-due-to-bad-registrant-info/
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mats_cd03: for whatever reason slate.com accepts left, right arrow keys as input changes the page...
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mats_cd03: the nature of the negligent discharge seems dubious
mats_cd03: more likely the driver got into an accident while attempting to kill a nuisance.
BingoBoingo: Who knows. It isn't like more than half of clear homicides get solved in the StL metro.
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assbot: Social, economic, & intellectual aristocracies have an almost error free mechanism by which members can identify each other very rapidly.
jurov: lol how do you identify e.g. Vexual?
jurov: lol pete doesn't like to get sniffed
BingoBoingo: * jurov *sniff* *sniff* << On the internet everyone is Dog
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thestringpuller: i thought that would imply you are dead but still alive (fake dead, but people believe it)
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assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 04:18:11; asciilifeform: 1 of the 3 other monkeys, perhaps, knows russian (which imho is an absolute hard requirement for this particular stunt)
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adlai: madness, blasphemy. all research must be conducted and documented in english!
mircea_popescu: outside of biochemistry and perhaps some aeronautics, i struggle to think of a field where research is done in english
cazalla: fluffypony: Jurassic World trailer is out <<< i could not be more disappointed
fluffypony: cazalla: it just looks like a rehash of the first movie but with better CGI
mircea_popescu: We present an efficient method to deanonymize Bitcoin users, which allows to link user pseudonyms to the IP addresses where the transactions are generated. Our techniques work for the most common and the most challenging scenario when users are behind NATs or firewalls of their ISPs. They allow to link transactions of a user behind a NAT and to distinguish connections and transactions of different users behind the same
mircea_popescu: NAT. We also show that a natural countermeasure of using Tor or other anonymity services can be cut-off by abusing anti-DoS countermeasures of the bitcoin network. Our attacks require only a few machines and have been experimentally verified. We propose several countermeasures to mitigate these new attacks.
mircea_popescu: anyone bother actually read the pdf accompanying these tall claims ?
cazalla: fluffypony, the new male lead is no ian malcolm either
cazalla: BingoBoingo, hopefully it gets more traction in aus IT press, they love stuff stories like this
mircea_popescu: "a method for revealing IP addresses of Bitcoin wallet owners with success rate between 11\% and 60\%." ugh. my interest died.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My take on it is if you connect to enough nodes, you can probably tell which one prodcasted a transaction first, sometimes.
BingoBoingo: Amazing the rather abvious shit people pass off as "research"
mircea_popescu: let me guess, 11 to 60% of times, where 40% is arbitrarily defined as equal to "those cases where users use private connect lists"
mircea_popescu: in the same line, here's this extraspecial pair of glasses which removes clothes off women
mircea_popescu: success rate ? about 11 to 60% of cases where woman splays herself naked on display.
cazalla: oh look at that, cointelegraph linking to qntra now as well
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:56:46; Adlai: assbot is immune to suicidal depression, because it doesn't even know it exists
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24231 @ 0.00039922 = 9.6735 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 144 @ 0.01115126 = 1.6058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10656 @ 0.00039563 = 4.2158 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11419 @ 0.00039849 = 4.5504 BTC [+]
mats_cd03: 16:06:20 <+asciilifeform> in other news: usg's oceanic fiber tap catalogue apparently leaked. << link?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46136 @ 0.00041169 = 18.9937 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Why is /puellavulnerata's account all locked up? /hashtag/tor?src=hashcc /yashalevine /paulcarr
BingoBoingo: Atm though I think bitcointalk's cancer is probably more terminal
The20YearIRCloud: Well, today we closed on another loan, putting the company back to a state with plenty o extra cash laying around.
BingoBoingo: Just make sure you can actually move them to an address you have sole control over
babbys_first_bit: i have a shitty laptop that I've devoted to my cold storage, disabled wifi etc
babbys_first_bit: Those paper wallet backups I made, if someone were to get a hold of them , and somehow know what they meant, could they steal my coins, or would they need my password?
BingoBoingo: That's a very good queston. Haven't used Armory in years
BingoBoingo: I instead [censored] my [censored][censored] with [censored][censored][censored] under a [censored] mountain
mike_c: babbys_first_bit: the paper wallet gives access to coins sans password.
babbys_first_bit: I find it kind of odd how I'd need to use a USB stick combined with accessing my offline laptop with the password before I can send coins, yet if someone were to get my paper wallet and knew what those four letter words meant, they suddenly have the keys to the kingdom
mike_c: if that bothers you, encrypt the paper wallet and then print it out.
mike_c: or ask BingoBoingo to stick it in his mountain.
babbys_first_bit: I suppose unless I go around telling people IRL i've got a paper backup with my bitcoin wealth tied to it, nobody who happened to find it would even know what it meant. It's not like i wrote "ARMORY BACKUP FOR EXTREME BITCOIN WEALTH" on the backup
BingoBoingo: How do you know for sure you already didn't?
BingoBoingo: But with yourself and a soldering iron someone might extract the paper's location
BingoBoingo: They insert soldering iron into a convenient opening and wait for it to heat up
BingoBoingo: But there's two of them and they are in shape from all of that rowing at indistinguishable northeastern school. You on the other hand have baby in your IRC nick and infants suck at avoiding abduction.
babbys_first_bit: what happens to the channel if you automatically get to speak upon arrival
babbys_first_bit: so that fat fucker from mt. gox, do u think he stole everyones coins or were they just "lost"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00040665 = 12.3622 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: He prolly ate them. Maybe Jed from Ripple/Stellar/WTFBBQ stole them after he sold Gox to Karpeles. hard to know.
babbys_first_bit: is blockchain.info the only online wallet where the website owners can't just run off with my coins
dignork: babbys_first_bit: they can.
BingoBoingo: There's ways they can run off with coins too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00041847 = 8.9762 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3802 @ 0.00041705 = 1.5856 BTC [-]
dignork: babbys_first_bit: and if you insist on comparing bad ideas, greenaddress is somewhat better.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35706 @ 0.00040111 = 14.322 BTC [-] {2}
babbys_first_bit: how many bitcoins will i need today to be a millionaire in 10 yrs
babbys_first_bit: Why haven't the devs or the general userbase demanded we switch from BTC to micro BTC or whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20962 @ 0.00039415 = 8.2622 BTC [-] {2}
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Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, has it been established Mr. O is paid by Moscow btw ?
Apocalyptic: I was kind of wondering about it recently, it could make sense