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undata: on the one hand I agree; something has to be the filter
undata: poverty, gulags, w/e
undata: on the other, it seems the gulag option tends to be... I guess too damned efficient
jurov: the filter to that goal?
mircea_popescu: it's not efficient at all.
jurov: *what goal
undata: mircea_popescu: at its self-licking task of chewing up the population
mircea_popescu: ah. well... that';s not so great.
undata: mircea_popescu: seems like poverty's the best option
mircea_popescu: jurov in general, so that most of each generation succumbs to avoidable causes, and most of the survivors don't dare speak.
mircea_popescu: in particular, fucking depends.
jurov: we can try to learn, that's all
mircea_popescu: sure.
undata: I like the idea of paying people to agree to sterilization.
cazalla: undata, who pays?
mircea_popescu: i don't. stop trying to get idiots to "agree".
jurov: cazalla is interested after recent experience?
mircea_popescu: if they're some people whose agreement you seek, they shouldn't be sterilised.
mircea_popescu: if they should be sterilised, you have no conceivable reason to seek their approval.
cazalla: jurov, bit late for that
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undata: cazalla: if I'm in the position to consider the cost of using secret police or something to get it done, I might
undata: not that I am
undata: haha
undata: the agreement is just part of the cheese on the trap
mircea_popescu: yes, and the thing trapped is you.
jurov: lol actually we had here an affair with forced sterilization of gypsy women
undata: jurov: they did it here (USA) in the 50s I think, maybe on into the 70s
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to imagine why. all the good slovak fucks i had were gypsy
undata: hah, looks like it was the 1920s onward
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-two-aspects-of-my-urban-negro/
assbot: The two aspects of my urban negro. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJUCoF )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what is that, a biscuit or something?
mircea_popescu: prolly
BingoBoingo: Needs a follow up, what is in the bag?
mircea_popescu: prolly some dolche de leche confection
cazalla: 976KB, largest block evar?
mircea_popescu: ;;google "my urban negro"
gribble: Urban Dictionary: negro: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=negro>; Urban Dictionary: Quantum Negro: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Quantum%20Negro>; Urban Dictionary: negro amigo: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=negro%20amigo>
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: my search returns my own fucking page ;/
mircea_popescu: anwyay, it's an alfajore.
mircea_popescu: “Regulation - which is based on force and fear - undermines the moral base of business dealings. It becomes cheaper to bribe a building inspector than to meet his standards of construction. A fly-by-night securities operator can quickly meet all the S.E.C. requirements, gain the inference of respectability, and proceed to fleece the public. In an unregulated economy, the operator would have had to spend a number of y
mircea_popescu: ears in reputable dealings before he could earn a position of trust sufficient to induce a number of investors to place funds with him. Protection of the consumer by regulation is thus illusory.”
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.00043924 = 17.1743 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: guess teh author.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00043225 = 10.6766 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ah if only bitcoin were around in the 90s, back when greenspan was still in charge.
BingoBoingo: http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/23/7271537/what-if-video-games-sponsored-crappy-college-football-bowls << Hurpity
assbot: What if video games sponsored crappy college football bowls? | Polygon ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJYvK9 )
asciilifeform: 'Compared to Stuxnet, the state-sponsored malware whose creators have never been confirmed, the recently-discovered trojan...' << wtf. confirmed as daylight.
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu said, iirc, 'they want to be boiled in oil'
mircea_popescu: btw, to help publicise the most important, and therefore least well known aspect of the us justice system :
mircea_popescu: ”If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence ... and the courts must abide by that decision.“
mircea_popescu: US v Moylan, 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, 1969, 417 F.2d at 1006
asciilifeform: !s nullification
assbot: 6 results for 'nullification' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nullification
mthreat: ah my urban negro
asciilifeform: known to a million people, but jury selection is typically such that they never sit
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, an undisputed and for that matter indisputable string of caselaw.
mircea_popescu: mthreat ever had it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, can't hurt to inform another million.
mthreat: i think so... alfajores everywhere here
mircea_popescu: if nothing else, decent odds it'll get you out of jury duty
mthreat: we got some dulce de leche liquor recently
mircea_popescu: i don't really trust mass produced sweets. in house all the way!
mthreat always gets out of jury duty, as an ex-felon ;)
mircea_popescu: o, you can never be on a jury now ?
asciilifeform: only reason usg still bothers with juries, is that they can generally be relied on to play ball, and this state of affairs is reasonably simple to maintain.
mthreat: ya. and funnily enough, i once got a jury summons from the very court that convicted me.
mircea_popescu: lol
mthreat: i think they did it to screw with me ;)
mircea_popescu: so did you go ?
mthreat: hell no
mircea_popescu: why not lol
mthreat: although honestly, i wish i could serve on a jury
mthreat: i'd takeover that jury!
mircea_popescu: no you won't lol.
mircea_popescu: if you want practice, go to boring women's thanksgiving parties.
mats_cd03: jury duty sucks. plebs don't care a whit about proper execution of justice.
mircea_popescu: pick up a waitress or something around november.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 i think the great theory goes, that you don't need people who care, or who are competent, or understand anything etc. you just need enough of them.
danielpbarron: http://fija.org/
assbot: Jury Nullification | Fully Informed Jury Association ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK0AWp )
mats_cd03: i sat. paid mere shillings per day ... and idiot walked, because jury couldn't be bothered
mircea_popescu: what case was it ?
mats_cd03: negligent discharge, officer killed a bystander in hot pursuit
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mats_cd03: lemme see if i can find proceedings
mircea_popescu: dun bother. was just curious for the summary
mats_cd03: i remember thinking at the time,
mats_cd03: rules of engagement in afghan are more stringent than this.
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/ftc-argue-that-bfl-should-not-resume-operations/
assbot: FTC Argue That BFL Should Not Resume Operations | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK3QkJ )
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/11/facebooks-auto-playing-videos-in-an-isis-era/
assbot: Facebook’s auto-playing videos in an ISIS era | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK5tyI )
bagels7: [18:30] <+mircea_popescu> bagels7 so what do you do for a living anyway << I hardly make a living, I depend on people
mircea_popescu: how does that work ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla well they prolly have a point.
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/woman-posts-love-of-isis-on-facebook-charged-with-promoting-terrorism << mega-lol
assbot: Woman posts “love” of ISIS on Facebook, charged with “promoting” terrorism | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK5IKp )
bagels7: my boyfriend pays the rent
asciilifeform: bagels7: 'occupation: pet' ?
bagels7: asciilifeform: no he isn't like that
cazalla: ISIS in the news down under again too http://www.smh.com.au/national/young-islamic-state-supporter-abuses-christian-school-students-prior-to-counterterrorism-raids-20141124-11sr7z.html
assbot: Young Islamic State supporter abuses Christian school students prior to counter-terrorism raids ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK5VNI )
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla well they prolly have a point <<< not that it matters at this point
mircea_popescu: bagels7 so what do you do, cook and clean ? give head ? sing & play the harp?
bagels7: actually he cooks because he likes to cook, I used to cook.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform teh old guys are really worried that the young guys may find out that the young girls are more impressed with isis-ing than with whatever the old guys clamor to be impressing them.
mircea_popescu: hey cazalla meet bagels7
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'find out' ? lol.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as if it were not obvious as daylight.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well da fuck else lol.
mircea_popescu: nah but see, not what i mean. obviously the ones that are worth two shits don't need to find out.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, cause i need another woman that can't cook or clean?
asciilifeform: if not for the cultural wall, whole planet would be banging on the caliph's door
mircea_popescu: but the large bulk of pointless idiots that are telling themselves stories
mircea_popescu: should not get to confront the storytelling nature of their activity.
undata: hm, jailing people for "support"?
bagels7: I like clean very much and do the floors almost daily
mircea_popescu: undata it's more amusing than that. 50 years ago, the fucktarded feminists in charge were all about how "love is the answer to all problems"
mircea_popescu: now they changed their tune, loving the wrong guys is no longer the cure.
mircea_popescu: poor unloved isis, no wonder it's going to rape the mdcss in corpore.
mircea_popescu: THEY WERENT LOVED!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, leaving aside the "0 comments, nobody carres" part : http://mdcss.org/mdcss-congratulates-2014-award-winners/
assbot: Maryland Council for Social Studies | MDCSS Congratulates 2014 Award Winners ... ( http://bit.ly/1AK7U4u )
mircea_popescu: why are there no men being given trophies ?
undata: mircea_popescu: why is no one embarassed by this kind of thing?
mircea_popescu: what is this bullshit ? i demand equal trophies given to men.
undata: we might as well just roll over and piss in the air
undata: if we can't handle them
mircea_popescu: undata because the ones that'd have enough sense for such a thing long left for isis ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that thing you dug up is some kind of appreciation award for schoolteachers. in usa 'social studies' is what they (for no reason i know of, despite being there) renamed 'history/geography' class in primary school.
undata: as long as we're all clear that the US is well into "jailing people for opinions" territory on this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform soooo ?
mircea_popescu: still no men.
undata: not new behavior for us
mircea_popescu: undata love is not an oppinion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are very few men teaching history in usa primary school level.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform soooo ?
mircea_popescu: equal trophies motherfucker!
asciilifeform: l0l
undata: mircea_popescu: er um, words. she said certain words that are apparently very dangerous
mircea_popescu: no. i will not have my pov invalidated by ridicule!
asciilifeform: was anyone able to load the court document re: isiswoman ?
undata: "it's hot in here, someone kill the thermometer"
mircea_popescu: lol
bagels7: I make cardboard geometric solids, pretty much all of them, I read crappy news and start crappy arguements with silly opiniated people
asciilifeform: 'She is accused of telling an undercover FBI agent that she could help facilitate sending somebody to join the ISIS fight in Syria, and she then lied to FBI agents about it.'
asciilifeform: re: 'lying':
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546881 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.'
undata: asciilifeform: a documentary comes to mind about the feds helping a group of black dudes "attempt an act of terrorism"
asciilifeform: undata: SOP
asciilifeform: !s new york death ray
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asciilifeform: this is, without exception, how it works
mircea_popescu: bagels7 well like that i can't imagine how you could avoid depression.
asciilifeform: 1) find an idiot 2) cultivate his (or her!) idiocy in a 'terrorist'-flavoured direction 3) arrest, trial 4) profit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "and then she lied about it" reminds me of a very particular thing that struck me a while back.
mircea_popescu: lemme dig it out.
mircea_popescu: http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html
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mircea_popescu: "We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."
asciilifeform: the 'and then lied' thing (as reflected in earlier quote) is used to add a zero or two to the 'potential prison time' and make the chump play ball ('plea bargain')
mircea_popescu: this struck me when i read it because it is an exact reprise of the scholastics backing the inquisiton :
mircea_popescu: "we punish not for what they did, but because they think they should be punished"
asciilifeform: 'Of course, if the school ever found out that he had given Lissa his own password, it would be curtains for both of them as students, regardless of what she had used it for. School policy was that any interference with their means of monitoring students' computer use was grounds for disciplinary action. It didn't matter whether you did anything harmful—the offense was making it hard for the administrators to check on you. Th
asciilifeform: ey assumed this meant you were doing something else forbidden, and they did not need to know what it was.'
mircea_popescu: now, how some uncultured lout in australia and a bunch of uncultured louts in the us managed to reinvent the exact pits of scholastic thought in 15th century europe
mircea_popescu: is quite beyond me
asciilifeform: (the well-known 'right to read' by rms. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html )
assbot: The Right to Read- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKa1Fr )
bagels7: mircea_popescu: I started making shapes to originally deal with depression in the first place and originally i was just making drawings
mircea_popescu: bagels7 how about just start doing something.
undata: !b2
undata: :(
bagels7: after i broke up with my boyfriend I was in a different state of mind
undata: doing something is always a good move
bagels7: mircea_popescu: what specifically
cazalla: bagels7, you know, if you go do some witnesses, jehovah will fill your heart will joy!
cazalla: witnessing even.. this fkn alcohol and my brain
undata: I have a weird theory on depression, that it can often be a sort of phantom suffering phenomenon
undata: like a phantom limb
bagels7: cazallaI have had enough "spiritual meals" from them in for a million life times
mircea_popescu: bagels7 i dunno, learn how to program computers and start contributing to a project. learn how to turn tricks and start doing outcalls.
undata: that most people actually don't get the recommended dose of suffering to calibrate their head
mircea_popescu: learn how to fix cars and go work in a garage.
mircea_popescu: somrthing, anything.
bagels7: outcalls doesn't lead anywhere good, does it
mircea_popescu: sure it does. you get laid, make money, meet interestinf people...
cazalla: bagels7, you know how to door knock, what's the difference?
mircea_popescu: like anything else. work is work.
bagels7: oh yeah. I have a client that does programming he hates it
bagels7: ubisoft pays well though
mircea_popescu: a papier mache solids client ?
undata: bagels7: if you are - as you appear to be - in canada, eat some vitamin d, eh?
undata: which reminds me to do the same...
bagels7: no an outcall client that is a programmer f
bagels7: yeah thanks for the reminder
bagels7: I wish i would meat interesting people but it's not like they want to talk about work with me
mircea_popescu: bagels7 ah, you're actually a whore ?
bagels7: I like to garden but I don't have any land...it's just nice being in a yard with chicken in the background
bagels7: yeah a black girl in a park recruited me
undata: lol what
undata imagines clipboard and tshirt with logo
bagels7: I don't get in cars with stangers though, that's how people disappear
mircea_popescu: is it any fun ?
bagels7: sometimes
bagels7: I saw some fancy hotels and some guys are nice and one even took me to the restaurant twice
mircea_popescu: how many guys do you do a week ?
bagels7: some guys are gross and I deal with it
BingoBoingo: 30 minutes left, dunno why they are waiting this late in the night. Almost like the police want a riot http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/grand-jury-has-reached-decision-in-ferguson-case/article_3ac5a3fa-4ae0-584a-8bf6-40b2ea8c89c2.html
assbot: Grand jury has reached decision in Ferguson case, announcement set for 8 p.m. : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKduni )
bagels7: Only a few times a month, no more than 5 though sometimes perhaps twice that
mthreat: memories of Los Angeles 1992
mthreat: rodney king
mircea_popescu: bagels7 why so unserious ?
mircea_popescu: you must to 30-50 guys a week. each week.
bagels7: why..
mircea_popescu: so as to make a pile of money.
danielpbarron: because bitcoin is really cheap right now :p
mircea_popescu: then you can go to egypt, marry a local man with a harem, live the rest of your days in a garden with some chickens
mircea_popescu: all of which bipedal, some of which laying eggs,
mircea_popescu: others of which speaking arabic and treating you like teh matriarch
bagels7: that sounds lovely
mircea_popescu: so go for it.
mircea_popescu: how much for half and half ?
bagels7: whats that
mircea_popescu: when you suck a dude and then fuck him.
bagels7: Im supposed to charge extra for that?
bagels7: its like 180 an hour
mircea_popescu: no lol, im just trying to find out how much you charge.
mircea_popescu: so then, 50 worked hours a week ~= 9k, in six weeks you have enough to implement this plan.
bagels7: oh no I only make 80 + tips
mircea_popescu: what, you got like a pimp ?
bagels7: like an agency
mircea_popescu: an agency that takes half hour money ? what is this ?
bagels7: is that not normal?
mthreat: even apple only takes 30%!
mircea_popescu: no it's not normal. 10-15% is an agency. over that, it's a pimp.
bagels7: well working by myself I keep getting guys that mess around
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BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: no fucking idea why an agency'd take a pefcent anyway.
bagels7: newspaper ads?
mircea_popescu: fixed rate, hired for their services. phone screening or w/e it is, comes to 10 an hour.
bagels7: yeah i been meaning to look around
mircea_popescu: how long have you been working at this ?
bagels7: 4 years of which i didnt work a year
mircea_popescu: i tell you, a serious girl HERE makes more than the 80 plus tips 5 times a month you're talking about.
BingoBoingo: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=311
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mircea_popescu: and in four years you should already have a list of perms longer than your legs.
cazalla: bagels7, be a gamer girl cammer, some girls are getting thousand dollar tips on twitch
mircea_popescu: how old are you anyway ?
bagels7: 26
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Almost like the police want a riot << i bet you at least half the police want a riot. logically : 1) all these sweet toys they only get to play with if there's a riot ; 2) police funding depends on riots, their salaries may be on the line in all cases except if there;s a riot ; 3) these uppity niggers ? fuck them!!1 let's show em who's baws.
mircea_popescu: bagels7 so get to work, but seriously.
mircea_popescu: make simple rules : no six cocks today, no food.
bagels7: yeah I guess I should get in shape and do my own independent thing
mircea_popescu: push dat hussle.
bagels7: its not always cock
mircea_popescu: and if the town you're in can't provide more cock than you can scissor up, fucking move from that shitspot.
mircea_popescu: go to oman.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And of course the last thing they might be considering is the outcome where the police lose.
mircea_popescu: are you white/blonde ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "i just work here"
mircea_popescu: roughly the same fuckwits end up recruited by ganglords or the police, you realise. how many retarded kids think of the outcome where they get killed, on any one job ?
bagels7: im a white red head
bagels7: im not like hot or anything
mircea_popescu: bagels7 that doesn't affect how many people you fuck, just how much you can ask per.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well none of them think that. At least not the ones who go police. Because Hollywood and stuff.
mircea_popescu: in fact, prime girls have more of a problem trying to keep the engine going than A and B cuts.
mircea_popescu: they end up having to do a lot of jetting back and forth.
BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3P_2h3CYAAPs3D.jpg << 0.o
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1znb7CY )
cazalla: bagels7, you don't have to be hot to be a gamer girl, just play games and talk to the nerds and they'll send you tips, example - http://www.twitch.tv/karmaah 565 viewers and she is ugly, Top Single Donation : Jamspr $750 Top Donator : Jared0x90 $2540 holy fuck if i was a girl i'd be on there playing pokemon for tips all day
assbot: Twitch ... ( http://bit.ly/1znbbm4 )
bagels7: mirceau_popescu: yes but I am in a special non typical domain which is not interesting to most men
undata: BingoBoingo: fuckin badass man, like call of duty *takes selfie*
mircea_popescu: cazalla may be on to something. play nekkid wow all day lmao.
BingoBoingo is safely on the other side of the river, surrounded by rural and pale folk
mircea_popescu: bagels7 what's that ?
bagels7: transsexual escorts
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: uh. so what do you do, anal ?!
bagels7: or what they call "shemales"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, twitch updated their rules, you can't show a tonne of cleavage anymore, this girl - kaceytron - her fault http://www.twitch.tv/kaceytron
assbot: Twitch ... ( http://bit.ly/1znbyNG )
BingoBoingo: bagels7: There's still LiveJasmin or whatever.
mircea_popescu: !up Belxjander
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, myfreecams > livejasmin
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo from what i hear camwhoring is doing poorly these days, most of the girls i knew killing the cams years ago are moving back to fucking
BingoBoingo: Ah. I wonder how many guys going from videos to cams just made the jump to actual escorts.
bagels7: i still have like 500 dollars I can't claim on cam4 because my friend went on it and now they want said friends ID
mircea_popescu: bagels7 stop thinking about hundreds of dollars. whoring is a "five digit or go home" sort of affair.
bagels7: yeah but i was just desperately poor
bagels7: I didnt want to make a living, do I have to be famous now
mircea_popescu: you won't have a bf paying your rent when you're 48.
BingoBoingo: http://www.ustream.tv/Channel/St-Louis-County-Police-Scanner << Shots fired
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bagels7: I prayed to god for a better way to make money, In fact I prayed just before I met that girl, go figure
mircea_popescu: i thought only jews pray for money
bagels7: i prayed for direction
BingoBoingo: This is the first time I've listened to a police scanner feed and not been incredibly bored
xanthyos: oh nice time to tune in, dpb
xanthyos: jew comments great
bagels7: how the hell can I make 5 digits doing THAT
xanthyos: i thought these people were on a higher tier than the tinychat schlubs
xanthyos: awesome
cazalla: chrome wheels!
BingoBoingo: A maroon pontiac grand prix
danielpbarron: bagels7, try praying to the God of The Bible next time
mthreat: i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too
bagels7: danielpbarron: what other gods are there?
mthreat: where they talk about how to make more money, etc
cazalla: danielpbarron, even Indiana Jones knew God's name is Jehovah (yes, they cherry picked shit like that)
danielpbarron: bagels7, we are all gods
kakobrekla: shut the fuck up.
bagels7: danielpbarron: Now you sound like maryjane
BingoBoingo: #ChromeWheels is our Dog now.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: police scanner << lol, there's still a city where police radio is plaintext ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, trunked I imagine. Long periods of silence though so maybe this is the channel of least interest.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: outcome where the police lose << what's that look like? rioters bulldoze all the way to washington ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or instead they start a Caliphate in Eastern Missouri.
asciilifeform: 'Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.' (tm)
asciilifeform: police - don't lose.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud ESS
undata: meanwhile http://fox2now.com/on-air/live-streaming-2/
assbot: Live Streaming 2 | FOX2now.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1znfjTd )
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ess | Ess. A Cambodian expression used when a guy talks in a neutral tone while sounding like he's showing off. Either he's joking by blowing it out of proportion or  ...
danielpbarron: bagels7, http://www.atruechurch.info/murray.html Is it not written in your law, "I said, 'You are gods'"? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming," because I said, "I am the Son of God"? (John 10:34-36, bold added)
assbot: A True Church - Arnold Murray ... ( http://bit.ly/1znfldH )
mircea_popescu: anyone know what this "ESS" is supposed to be in "natural law" clueless nitwittery ?
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mircea_popescu: <mthreat> i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too << there';s at least a hundred, of each.
bagels7: mircea_popescu: It seems comon for agencies to take half
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's what it looks like : http://oradereligie.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/timisoara_revolutie.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1znfQVc )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: photo is not distinguishable from a 'maidan' scene
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (yes, we know it was another animal, but how can one tell from photo.)
cazalla: undata, it's all white people inside on that video, all black people outside in the other stream i'm watching
undata: cazalla: seems about right
mircea_popescu: spot any milytsia in there ?
BingoBoingo: Tow truck trying to get through
mircea_popescu: cause at the time they were desperate for a friend, a relative, anyone, to hide them somewhere lest they be lynched.
asciilifeform: no ethnic sides in ro afaik
cazalla: i can see borat at bottom left of mid in that image
cazalla: http://imgur.com/ClyI0xJ
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1zngq5g )
BingoBoingo: Whelp, no charges.
BingoBoingo: And the radio feed is silent
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: i like how they have yet to announce the indictment. has it leaked yet?
asciilifeform: wtf is the morse doing in there
asciilifeform: anybody catch it ?
BingoBoingo: I heard
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Seems just announced
BingoBoingo wants to know what happened to maroon grand prix chrome wheels
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/natural-law-and-the-problem-of-definitions/
assbot: Natural law, and the problem of definitions. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1znhcPP )
asciilifeform: lol it's like they broadcast a 'gentlemen, start your engines, riot now'.
decimation: asciilifeform: morse is commonly used in the us by those ignorant of it
decimation: buses, cop radios, etc
asciilifeform: decimation: why ?
decimation: the reason: the FCC requires station identification
decimation: each one of those transmitters is given a special pass from stalin, and he requires continual reminders
asciilifeform: decimation: for police ?!
decimation: absolutely
decimation: after all, there's only one real sovereign
decimation: for instance, to find something in your backyard: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/results.jsp
assbot: License Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1zniiLv )
decimation: shit, of course it is web 2.0
mircea_popescu: interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00043753 = 11.9008 BTC [+]
decimation: here's another database http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?frn=0002134286
assbot: Callsigns for FCC FRN: 0002134286 (MARYLAND, STATE OF) ... ( http://bit.ly/1znioCB )
asciilifeform: decimation: actual scanner is more interesting
mircea_popescu: decimation so how come you can put up wireless net ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2.4G (and a few other bands) are statutorily 'special' in usa
decimation: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=1286402
assbot: ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - KJH201 - MARYLAND NATIONAL CAPITAL PARK & PLANNING COMMISSION ... ( http://bit.ly/1zniCtB )
asciilifeform: ianal - but iirc, only wattage is regulated in the 'license-free' bands
decimation: most of the entries in this database are woefully inaccurate
BingoBoingo: 4 guns stolen out of a vehicle
decimation: mircea_popescu: I've been trying to model a long distance version
decimation: a low speed version is possible without a license
BingoBoingo: 8146044
BingoBoingo: ^ Some sort of code
decimation: asciilifeform: 2.4 ghz and 915 mhz bands alllow 1 watt out of amplifier if the waveform is spread spectrum
danielpbarron: looks like a phone number
decimation: sometimes the morse is a network or channel number
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: They didn't specify an area code, would be necessary. StL metro isn't that small
decimation: the vast majority of police radio systems in the us use 'apco-25'
asciilifeform: project-25'
decimation: typically trunked with a motorola control channel
decimation: exactly
decimation: project 25 is a study in poorly wraught beltway banditry
asciilifeform: quite a few cities have aes'd project-25 (sometimes with null key, perversely)
bagels7: oman is weird, they have transsexual women but being gay is illegal. must be a rich country
mircea_popescu: it is rich yes.
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. it was a big fight in many areas: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/19/arkansas-men-file-lawsuit-over-police-encryption/
assbot: Arkansas men file lawsuit over police encryption - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1znjqPd )
decimation: scanner listening used to only be a hobby for a few harmless weirdos
asciilifeform: afaik gestapo (fbi, dea, dhs, etc., etc) are 100% crypted now
asciilifeform: and no lawsuits.
decimation: then the 'iphone-streaming remote scanner apps' became popular
decimation: and the poor innocents that undata lauds suddenly listened with intense interest
undata: decimation: what are you talking about?
decimation: feds have been encrypted for a much longer time
decimation: undata: the poor blacks that are constantly murdered by the police
decimation: and not each other
BingoBoingo: From reutersemily https://twitter.com/FlitterOnFraud/status/537069910321790977
assbot: No indictment of Darren Wilson in the shooting of Michael Brown. Heading to /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash tomorrow. See you soon.
undata: decimation: where do you live?
decimation: in the us
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why the heck is she involved, wasn't she doing finance ?
undata: this "but they shoot each other" thing misses the point entirely
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's what I thought.
undata: the thing I hate is the bullshit
mircea_popescu: apparently professionalism isn't what it used to be
BingoBoingo: Maybe its recreational mircea_popescu "disaster tourism"
mircea_popescu: lol
decimation: I've always wondered why there's no 'tour the ghetto' bus in wash dc or baltimore
asciilifeform was taken on just such a tour once! private.
decimation: right, but I'm talking about a public tour that leaves from union station every hour
mircea_popescu: decimation there is/(was?) one in south africa.
undata: masturbation everywhere
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: yes! even in the midst of civil war - one can still beat off.
undata: asciilifeform: hell, you can go have a picnic and watch depending on the era
asciilifeform: 'the privilege of king and slave alike'
BingoBoingo: http://copradar.com/tencodes/
assbot: Police 10 Codes ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph83rP )
BingoBoingo: Windows being broken out, 5-0 is rolling out
undata: decimation: the point I was after is that cops should be obedient slaves to whatever commands them
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whither the 5- codes?
undata: in cases like this they're just after their own masturbatory power
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 5-0 is code for the po-po
decimation: 10-codes are another amusing case of sillyness
undata: just like you and your tour
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from what period/place ?
decimation: it turns out that every juristidiction uses thier own codes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everyone around here calls police the 5-0
asciilifeform did not know this
undata: decimation: I'm certain you'll get to see the cop tanks and other fun toys oppressing whites before long
asciilifeform: undata: already old news. boston, etc
undata: I'm sure you'll just decide they're "white niggers" and enjoy it
undata: and so on
decimation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncRGoqNUb1w
assbot: Chief tells the TRUTH that Black People dont want to hear. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1znlh6w )
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.bearcat1.com/radiomd.htm here is a nice list of every county in maryland
assbot: RADIO CODES & SIGNALS - MARYLAND ... ( http://bit.ly/1znltmr )
asciilifeform: decimation: i've found that documents like this are absurdly out of date, in all cases.
asciilifeform: decimation: typically they are the product of someone typing up an ancient, yellowed 'radio amateurs guide'
decimation: asciilifeform: that one is pretty accurate at least as of a few years ago
asciilifeform: some things never move
asciilifeform: e.g., national time stations
decimation: at any rate, it is amusing in its non-uniformity - 10-60 in anne arundel is 'squad in area' while in pg it is 'bad check written'
decimation: at any rate, it's easy enought to waste some time listening yourself
decimation: it's pointless to want to listen to the encrypted channels anyway, because my experience was that before the cops had crypto they would just use a cell phone
BingoBoingo: Looting the Boost Mobile of all places?
decimation: actually WWV recently started broadcasting on 25 MHz again: http://www.arrl.org/news/wwv-s-25-mhz-signal-back-on-the-air
assbot: WWV’s 25 MHz Signal Back on the Air ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph93fJ )
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/hashtag/FergusonLootCrew?src=hash
assbot: Tweets about #FergusonLootCrew hashtag on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph9feQ )
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: Oh, squad 238 is retreating
asciilifeform: i've always wondered if police radio schemes like p25 are vulnerable to replay attacks.
BingoBoingo: Nevermind, staying put for now
asciilifeform: never gave enough of a shit to comb through the published specs to answer this riddle
asciilifeform: a 'wasp' could sow some very thick confusion via replay, even if he cannot decode.
decimation: asciilifeform: someone already did it for you! http://www.crypto.com/papers/p25sec.pdf
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are afaik
asciilifeform: note that portable radios have no countermeasure against the elementary traffic analysis needed to find message boundaries
asciilifeform: so anything you replay is a valid 'police order'
mircea_popescu: yup.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, I believe the 'metadata' is contained in the unencrypted header
mircea_popescu: moreover, decrypting p25 is no feat
asciilifeform: decimation: that was the 'thy use null keys' result
mircea_popescu: should come to bitcents per message.
asciilifeform: if correctly configured - 256bit aes
asciilifeform: but here's a little mindfuck (afaik, discussed nowhere)
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: betcha there are speech-modulated analogue artifacts in the transmissions.
mircea_popescu: isn't that the 14 round braindead aes ?
asciilifeform: !s microphonics
assbot: 47 results for 'microphonics' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=microphonics
decimation: "All models of P25 radios of which we are aware will
decimation: receive any traffic sent in the clear even when they are
decimation: in encrypted mode."
asciilifeform: then - doesn't matter what kind of cipher
asciilifeform: if microphonics.
cazalla: <BingoBoingo> https://twitter.com/hashtag/FergusonLootCrew?src=hash <<< this is to troll alex jones, again
assbot: Tweets about #FergusonLootCrew hashtag on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1pha878 )
Vexual: i think the change they keys up too
asciilifeform: you read it here phirst (afaik) (tm)
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: gotta understand, if above hypothesis is correct, they can use one time pad - and still be transparently readable.
decimation: asciilifeform: that would be pretty elementry
asciilifeform: would be interesting to take one of these radios and look for correlation between, say, amplitude - or carrier freq drift - and input audio
asciilifeform: good student project.
decimation: mircea_popescu apparently has pill for aes
BingoBoingo: Sending Tac in
mircea_popescu: decimation afaik the pill has been around 4ever ?
mircea_popescu: or w/e, 2006.
decimation: link?
BingoBoingo: Shots fired across from ferguson pd
mircea_popescu: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/cryptanalysis/aesbc.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1phaRVX )
decimation: heh okay 2^126.4 work for 128-bit aes
decimation: I'm not too worried
asciilifeform: generally papers where you clobber something that has one (or both) hands tied behind its back - are not very exciting.
mircea_popescu: 2*39 time to recover the complete 256-bit key of a 9-round version http://eprint.iacr.org/2009/374
assbot: Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2009/374 ... ( http://bit.ly/1phbezO )
asciilifeform: but it gives the overall flavour of approaches used by the folks with 'acres of crays', yes.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, these are maximal.
mircea_popescu: and they rely on good entropy
mircea_popescu: and on the attacker not using side channels
asciilifeform: the actual 'pill' consists of knowing the class of weak keys.
mircea_popescu: and so on and so forth
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we are the folk with acres of crays. like no others.
asciilifeform: which - i suspect - can be proven to exist in the general case.
Vexual: where will you find a police radio?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: ebay
joecool_: try craigslist
decimation: Vexual: you can buy on ebay actually
BingoBoingo: Oh two separate calls for tactical team backup nao
Vexual: really? I was gonna put on my best sherrif voice and call gme
decimation: in the us, the usg takes that kind of thing very seriously
BingoBoingo: Allegedly...
BingoBoingo: White Pontiac no plates
decimation: http://www.part15.us/forum/part15-forums/general-discussion/inspection-van
assbot: Inspection Van | Part15.us ... ( http://bit.ly/1phbOxG )
joecool: lol
joecool: rip police car
BingoBoingo: Shots fired at the police department
decimation: that's not going to end well
BingoBoingo: Boston 11 Boston 92
decimation: asciilifeform: I found your ip flood amusing - all upnp hilarity
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Vexual: I guess if P25 is breakable theres a reason it hasn't popped up at defon or some such
decimation: what is 'defon'?
mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard
Vexual: defcon
BingoBoingo: Prolly going to be some sweet videos on WOrld Star Hiphop tomorrow
decimation: Vexual: the above pdf I linked was a usenix, which was kind of a more civilized defcon
Vexual: oh
decimation: but the point is the weakness isn't the crypto, it's probably all the other stuff mircea_popescu + that paper mentioned
decimation: ie the fact that non-technical cops are going to have to actually use them
mircea_popescu: and they have to fit in portable instruments
mircea_popescu: and on and on
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 331500 | Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 | Next Difficulty In: 1139 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39445747976.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.11981
Vexual: and they get shitty when it doesn't work and go back to analogue uhf
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 292532262.238
decimation: related http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-request-blackberry-bothered-lot-people-ex-nsa-official-article-1.1801957
assbot: Obama’s request for BlackBerry ‘bothered a lot of people’: ex-NSA official - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1phd1EY )
BingoBoingo: Helicopter is down to 15 minutes of fuel
mircea_popescu: 3TH/s means, for the record, at something like 150 "times" per hash, that the bitcoin network does ~2**50 time as-is.
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/in-clayton-a-few-eggs-thrown-but-no-other-reaction/article_decda97c-a4ab-5420-8057-e5833c880ce1.html
assbot: IN CLAYTON: A few eggs thrown, but no other reaction from the small crowd outside the county Justice Center : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1phdxmt )
mircea_popescu: a bitcoin's worth what, ~2**60 time each.
decimation: at least, a transaction is
mircea_popescu: decimation just trying to put in perspective the "time" in academic crypto paper.
mircea_popescu: breakage of a cypher that resists to 2**39 time costs roughly speaking a satoshi.
decimation: right, which is why no one uses 1024 rsa anymore (at least anyone who matters)
mircea_popescu: decimation if you think the shocking stupidity of people like "silk road operators" occurs in a vacuum, let me remind you of the special agent that solved the case by excel spreadsheet.
mircea_popescu: and of the bank that did, too.
decimation: good crypto is really hard to implement
decimation: and the dunning-kruger effect is strong
ben_vulpes: the donkey kong is strong with this one
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: all this of course presupposes anyone gives a shit as to what fbi agents say to each other.,
mircea_popescu: this is the tallest order in the whole discussion.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather watch flies fuck./
decimation: mircea_popescu: or what obama says?
mircea_popescu: he can put it on his blog or w/e he has there,
asciilifeform: the folks who care about intercept of grunt radios - are concerned with tactic, not strategy. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i'll get to it eventually.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i thought flies spawned and didn't actually fuck
BingoBoingo: Oh, police may have lost a radio
decimation: one could re-interpret the entire military-industrial-intel complex as a giant ego-trip
asciilifeform: that is, the immediate question of whether 'they' are on the way to your sector. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and with what.
BingoBoingo: 60324 walkie
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess.
asciilifeform: it's quite like naval codes.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well they must do something at some point...
decimation: https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/10/01/white-house-security/
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » White House Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1phfdMQ )
asciilifeform: who the fuck cares whether uss fucktarditz is on its way to the north atlantic
asciilifeform: except for those paid to care.
decimation: asciilifeform: you can see the self-licking ice cream cone here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're down to finding out about this trhough its own radio chatter...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah. through radio chatter the week before in port.
asciilifeform: just example.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: notice many armchair generals in the world. even armchair admirals.
asciilifeform: but no armchair sergeants.
asciilifeform: because how.
mircea_popescu: i confess i don't believe in this jit style of military operations.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu believes in reconnaissance-by-fire ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: I agree with you. one of the downfalls of the us is the large standing army of volunteers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much.
decimation: a military of conscripts has the benefit of 1.) cannon fodder and 2.) actual people that can be sorted into leadership
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm too used to running campaigns where the "enemy" can't even muster the courage to use its materiel.
asciilifeform: thing is, enemy who has bureaucracy coming out of his ears - is an open book.
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
decimation: asciilifeform: good point, in order to coordinate bureaucratically one nearly always must have enemy agents 'in the loop'
Vexual: thats some art of war stuff there ascii
asciilifeform: point was much simpler. re: why radio in port.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me articulate my objection better, out of respect for the attention it's getting.
mircea_popescu: man is given voice to hide his thoughts. your enemy is not to be trusted. why would you trust x thing he's SAYING ? sure, maybe it's true, maybe it doesn't realise you're listening. after you use it, he will. if he's too stupid to, you won't need it anyway. if you need it, you probably should not be fighting anyway.
mircea_popescu: makes sense ?
asciilifeform: this assumes opponent with functioning brain
asciilifeform: retarded child can actually say 'now i will shit' - and then do it
mircea_popescu: if his brain is not functioning you need not pay attention to him.
mircea_popescu: i don't watch water in the eyes while pouring it.
asciilifeform: he can still take the shit
mircea_popescu: i do watch large cat in the eyes while petting it
mircea_popescu: but, anyway, let anyone fighting a war fight it the way he deems most convenient, who am i to intercede.
decimation: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/secret-service-requires-female-agents-meet-lower-physical-strength-standards-male-agents_808441.html "According to the Secret Service, a male recruit in his twenties needs to perform 11 chin-ups to receive an "excellent" rating; performing four chin-ups or fewer would disqualify him from serving as a Secret Service agent. But for a female recruit in her twenties, four chin-ups would earn her an "
assbot: Secret Service Requires Female Agents to Meet Lower Physical Strength Standards Than Male Agents | The Weekly Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1phgNOK )
decimation: excellent" rating; just one chin-up is enough for her to avoid the disqualifying "very poor" rating."
mircea_popescu: decimation this makes sense. do the experiment yourself, make juciy ass 21yo chicks do chinups.
decimation: I believe usg military doesn't even require one chinup from females - just 'bent arm hang'
mircea_popescu: then look how the shoulders and arms look of a (always titless) woman that can do 11
Vexual: I don't suppose they mean to say the girls aren't allowed to be as strong as the men
BingoBoingo: Injured Journalist nao
decimation: reality must intercede somewhere into usg's neat pronoucements
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/1buxFop
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1phh8Rx )
nubbins`: 8 layers down, 2 to go
asciilifeform: fact is, they have a bottomless supply of proper grunts
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i thought you were stripping. scam.
asciilifeform: and can afford (or think they can) the charity cases.
nubbins`: i am
nubbins`: it's an ABC party
Vexual: thats that pussy pink inkl you never bought
decimation: asciilifeform: that might be true today, but at the current trajectory (when the females are all in management) will it be true in 20 years?
asciilifeform: decimation: they are already in management
asciilifeform: decimation: familiar with the infamous u.s. navy captains ?
decimation: eh?
mircea_popescu: !up Flyer33
mircea_popescu: !up Flyer9933
nubbins`: too many flyers
mircea_popescu: lol
Vexual: nice gold
asciilifeform: http://www.militarycorruption.com/hollygraf2.htm
assbot: CAPT. HOLLY GRAF ... ( http://bit.ly/1phhtDR )
decimation: !up GNULinuxGuy
asciilifeform: etc.
asciilifeform: there are at least 3 famous one
asciilifeform: s
decimation: nubbins`: very pretty cover
mircea_popescu: [The two Democratic fundraisers that Obama attended brought in roughly $3.5 million (source). So it would have been far cheaper for taxpayers if Obama had stayed in Washington and the U.S. Treasury had written a $3.5 million check to the Democratic Party.]
nubbins`: tyvm
mircea_popescu: https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2010/08/07/obama-saved-by-the-fighter-jet-that-he-canceled/
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama saved by the fighter jet that he canceled ... ( http://bit.ly/1phhyYb )
nubbins`: much work so far
mircea_popescu: and this was in 2010.
mircea_popescu: excellent example of why corruption is not the worst problem in a state.
decimation: mircea_popescu: except legally those actions were 'not corrupt'
BingoBoingo: Second police car down "marked county police car fully engulfed in flames"
asciilifeform: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3190412/posts
assbot: First female warship captain stripped of command over affair allegations(Royal Navy) ... ( http://bit.ly/1phhSWS )
thestringpuller: ;;ud hnic
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HNIC | HNIC. acronym for Head Nigga In Charge. Contrary to public opinion, *slams fist on table* ... "There is only one boss here, and that's me, the HNIC!" -Joe Clark.
mircea_popescu: decimation but if they were corruption, it'd be cheaper.
BingoBoingo: Looter also maybe smarted up, at a bank nao?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get this. what exactly about being a rabid slut makes a woman unfit to command ?
decimation: yeah. In china, there's more of a "the boss can profit if the project works" mentality I am told
BingoBoingo: Also they used the retreat word on the radio
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not the slut part, the nepotism and resulting umbrella over incompetent fucktoy subordinates
Vexual: nubs: on the satin black its remenicent of leatherbound
mircea_popescu: ah that.
asciilifeform: but perhaps that is like saying that it is not the bullet that is a problem, but the bullet hole.
mircea_popescu: honestly, the only appeal i see to a life in the military is having a bunch of sex slave commanding officers.
mircea_popescu: kinda like that guy in prison that had the guards tattooed and whatnot
decimation: mircea_popescu: that's 'fraternization'
decimation: it would be 'corrupt' you see
asciilifeform: when this becomes 'a thing' and the overall purpose of organization is subverted, long and hard enough - it dies.
mircea_popescu: well, it'd be fun anyway.
asciilifeform: fun on the correct end of the barrel, yes.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo share some local news links
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2008/03/17/how-to-spend-400-million-on-a-helicopter/ lol
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » How to spend $400 million on a helicopter ... ( http://bit.ly/1phiuM2 )
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: http://www.ustream.tv/Channel/St-Louis-County-Police-Scanner
assbot: St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners.Ferguson PDRIOT-ARIOT-BRIOT-CRIOT-DRIOT-E... ... ( http://bit.ly/1phiwDC )
BingoBoingo: Police said "skirmish line"
decimation: conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/CamiWisch/status/537088409538686976
assbot: It's looking like Gotham in STL tonight. /hashtag/prayforSTL?src=hash http://t.co/alZecZclSH
BingoBoingo: https://client.scribblelive.com/Event/Michael_Brown_grand_jury_decision_coverage
assbot: ScribbleLive Professional ... ( http://bit.ly/1phiEDi )
Vexual: swamp=gotham?
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah the rediculous helicopters are amusing
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/ >> linked the scribble live login
assbot: St. Louis Sports, News, Jobs, Classifieds, Entertainment & Weather ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPsHQ4 )
BingoBoingo: Instead of the story
mircea_popescu: <decimation> conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. " <<< quite.
BingoBoingo: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/ferguson/2014/11/24/crowds-gather-outside-ferguson-pd-hq-ahead-of-announcement/70064786/
assbot: Ferguson reaction: Violent protests, shots fire outside PD HQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPsXi2 )
BingoBoingo: "Quiet Sunflower, Quiet Sunflower"
BingoBoingo: ^ Has to be a code word
decimation: start the napalm?
Vexual: get some donuts?
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asciilifeform: qualified snipers.
mircea_popescu: this absolutely us fascination with "codewords"
mircea_popescu: it melts the brain
undata: they're going to milk the shit out of that burning car picture
BingoBoingo: Grocery store beiseiged by masked protesters with 10 employees inside. Walgreens looted
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nubbins`: "protesters"
Vexual: and or
nubbins`: drunk man with bottle of absolut heading to scene
decimation: mircea_popescu: actually there is some 'pushback' against it, because of its tardation: http://www.telegram.com/article/20091029/NEWS/910290685/0
assbot: In plain English - Worcester Telegram & Gazette - telegram.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPtS1V )
undata: seems it doesn't matter precisely what "demonstrators" do, so long as they "demonstrate" disorder
BingoBoingo: Heart attack at the fire station
undata: I don't know that stealing shit is any less legitimate than burning cop cars
undata: nor that legitimacy is the question
nubbins`: ^
BingoBoingo: Force is the legitimacy
nubbins`: still following the guy w/ the vodka
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> drunk man with bottle of absolut heading to scene << lawl.
decimation: Pour la canaille: Faut la mitraille.
nubbins`: mp srsly there's a cop on the radio giving updates on him
undata: nubbins`: that's his bidness coat
Vexual: i got this
mircea_popescu: wait i thought you were being parodical.
BingoBoingo: Someone has been shot
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/ << research that mothers are boring and ineffectual childcarers. and other stuff.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPukgt )
mircea_popescu: . “Researchers have revealed a robust association between father absence—both physical and psychological—and accelerated reproductive development and sexual risk-taking in daughters,”
mircea_popescu: ahem.
mircea_popescu: single mothers raise sluts? who knew!
undata: fascinating that it has some biology behind it though
Vexual: ug
mircea_popescu: anyway, the quoted explaination is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: the mechanism is quite simple : if the males are absent the population is under threat and it must be supported biologically.
asciilifeform: wai wat, that was an explanation ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, im not quoting the blather.
BingoBoingo: Walgreens is now on fire, guessing they already took all of the cool drugs
Vexual: beats freud
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mechanism is observable in rats and other rodents (where, iirc, sex ratios skew towards males in lean times)
mircea_popescu: yup. even in insects.
decimation: "During rough-and-tumble play like this, fathers tend to use playful teasing to “destabilize children both emotionally and cognitively,” which children like—despite the seemingly ominous implications of the word “destabilizing.”"
mircea_popescu: it's one of those fundamental apis of reality that'd be implemented in all species-language
asciilifeform: !s r-strategy
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mircea_popescu: decimation this is true, and you can diagnose it in adults by their reaction to minor destabilisation.
undata: also obvious, I would think
mircea_popescu: one of those few things people can't lie about.
nubbins`: mcd's on fire
Vexual: now burger king
asciilifeform: funny how nothing but the designated 'kindling' is ever burned up in u.s. riots.
nubbins`: leave wendy's until they get rid of the pretzel burge
BingoBoingo: Fire Department/Human Shields en route to Walgreens
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah, generally people tend to appreciate people who upset their worldview
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the rats set fire to the lab, what'd you expect they'd burn ? the cages or the files ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: lol right
mircea_popescu: decimation noi lol, generally they don't.
decimation: asciilifeform: this is a set-peice opera, with each side playing their part
mircea_popescu: rarely they do, but that's ok, because rarely people are worth bothering with
asciilifeform: decimation: abundantly obvious
decimation: mircea_popescu: generally only in retrospect
mircea_popescu: so is this us engaging in honor-burning of mcdonalds ?
BingoBoingo: It might be.
BingoBoingo: Police seem more concerned with the Walgreens though
decimation: it's traditional that the businesses that cater to the ghetto are the first ones visited with destruction
decimation: !up Vexual
Vexual: hehe
undata: attacking the symbols of merica
undata: I guess walmart's next?
decimation: !up Fergudishu
mircea_popescu: i thought obama was the only symbol america needed.
nubbins`: HOPE
Fergudishu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkzleC6gTRw
assbot: LIVE: Ferguson coverage after grand jury decision to not indict Ferguson Ofc. Darren Wilson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPvXLi )
BingoBoingo: NOPE
mircea_popescu: DOPE!
nubbins`: Fergudishu holy fuck there's a trollbox?!?!
Vexual: I'm not sure you can describe humans much at all with rats
Fergudishu: nubbins`: yes
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, you are familiar with that set of people who are 'professional anarchists'
nubbins`: white male w/ flag bandana wanted for torching cop car
Fergudishu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGvXN56t6Wo
assbot: LIVE: Reaction on the streets of Ferguson to Grand Jury Decision - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPwhtq )
asciilifeform is also familiar with the set of people who are paid to hunt all day, every day, for new 'outrages' of the kind required to set up 'a ferguson'
BingoBoingo: WHITE MALE set a police car on fire
Fergudishu: false flag
undata: mircea_popescu: "now now now I know this is a complex and divisive issue..."
nubbins`: it was a false flag indeed
undata: that fucking guy can't even squeeze out a statement that has a drop of meaning in it
nubbins`: apparently the flag isn't supposed to be used as a bandana
decimation: asciilifeform: a 'self-licking ice cream cone' indeed
decimation: lol that trollbox is gonna explode
nubbins`: it's crazier than the one on jd
Fergudishu: nubbins`: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bassemmasri that has 85k people watching and a trollbox lmao
assbot: BassemMasri on USTREAM: . ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPwE7t )
asciilifeform: !s yi yi zhi yi
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undata: there's serious cognitive dissonance here
undata: this government kills people around the world with flying robots
BingoBoingo: undata: Maybe some of us want both sides to lose?
undata: BingoBoingo: no not in #ba
Vexual: yeah, and ive never given negative fuck b4
asciilifeform: anyone who thinks this is a 'popular grievance' thing - how many u.s. folks were fucked over in real estate, other chumpatrons? how many of the perpetrators burned?
asciilifeform: right - zero.
asciilifeform: the mob riots at lizard hitler's pleasure, for his purposes.
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BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/537093807519838209
assbot: BREAKING NOW: NYPD Commissioner Bratton was just splattered with fake blood at /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash protest via /jeffrae http://t.co/2JTLRoEMlg
undata: the cognitive dissonance is the thought that a government that has made its *business* killing innocents would protect some guy gunned down in its own streets
decimation: undata: what weight do you lend to the fact that the guy was a thug who just finished robbing a store?
undata: decimation: as someone said above, the rules of engagement in afghanistan were stricter
asciilifeform: local police will be partially disarmed and yet more bureaucratized, yes. and ultimately - subordinated and absorbed into a national gendarmerie.
asciilifeform: as is the plan.
asciilifeform: have to be blind, not to see this.
cazalla: undata, why the sympathy for a nignog that got what he deserved?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's probably true
asciilifeform: 'fergusons' - have a purpose.
undata: cazalla: I don't care about the individual
cazalla: i mean really, the shop owner who he stole from should've done what the cop did
undata: the trend is as asciilifeform describes
decimation: only the 'national guard of the people' can be entrusted with the revolution
asciilifeform: in the end, gendarmerie 'democratizer' baton will roger black and white alike
decimation: undata: perhaps those loose 'rules of engagement' were a tacit acknowledgement of reality?
undata: decimation: that's not a call a beat cop gets to make
asciilifeform: !s democratizer
assbot: 130 results for 'democratizer' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=democratizer
Vexual: let the rioters decide
decimation: what should he do, phone washington for instructions?
asciilifeform: ^ utterly broken search in #b-a
asciilifeform: what part of 'i do not want to see anything without this word' is hard to understand ?
asciilifeform: FUCK 'user-friendliness'
asciilifeform: the search box - is a disgrace.
undata: asciilifeform: searchifility
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah you need a --no-stem option
asciilifeform: no.
asciilifeform: non-retardation is not optional.
asciilifeform: this is 'systemd' all over again.
undata: decimation: the guy shouldn't have shot a guy for yelling at him
decimation: well, he could have been yelling, or he could have been charging with a suspicious object
decimation: I guess the grand jury heard enough evidence either way
undata: yeah 20 mouthbreathing average fucks decided
undata: case closed
mircea_popescu: <Vexual> yeah, and ive never given negative fuck b4 << im kinda with him on this one.,
decimation wasn't there, didn't see, can only witness the results
undata: there's video of this; I watched it. The guy didn't "charge"
undata: there's plenty you can't see, but he's just standing there yelling, then on the street dead
Vexual: mircea_popescu: If this was planes landing fast in gotham, I could understand the excitement
undata: haven't heard a single person say "maybe the cop just lacked trigger discipline and was otherwise a coward"
mircea_popescu: <undata> the trend is as asciilifeform describes << how could it not be ? who the fuck ever heard of soviets in soviet russia.
mircea_popescu: a, right, decimation said it first.
mircea_popescu: and better.
asciilifeform: the notion that a riot in modern usa can happen - and persist - 'naturally' - is horseshit of the first order.
asciilifeform: if it is happening, it is on lizard hitler's nod.
asciilifeform: if not direct order.
asciilifeform: in what riot was 'goldman sachs' burned ?
mircea_popescu: the us wants to be like the uk! and pretend it can riot!
mircea_popescu: why you piss on parade.
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decimation: asciilifeform: as they say in dc, never waste a good crisis
undata: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I don't know, we'll see
decimation: asciilifeform: if anything, this violence is quite unimpressive compared to the 60's
undata: we've rioted before
Vexual: punkman could getin there and riot the pants off very fool in it
asciilifeform: 60s << there are swaths of dc, even, that are still 'berlin 1945'
decimation: but aging hippies are still around, still have friends
asciilifeform: not to mention ny, detroit, etc
asciilifeform: note which swaths.
asciilifeform: not the lizard quarters.
undata: don't get me wrong; most of it is limp dicked twitter protest
mircea_popescu: whadda ya mean 'berlin 1945' ?
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu pointed out - lab rats - will burn own cages.
asciilifeform: if only because nothing else is accessible.
asciilifeform: 1945 << ruins.
mircea_popescu: ah
decimation: nor can they imagine anything else exists
mircea_popescu: mentally accessible, yes.
undata: asciilifeform: and hell, there were bombings back then
mircea_popescu: ant bites your hand, not your scrotum
undata: it's not so that the US never had actual protest
asciilifeform: there was a time before 'well-trained masses' when actual 'pinkertons' has to man actual gatling guns to keep the mob in its proper street
undata: I think things are going to get ugly here; it's just going to take an economic shock along with
Vexual: greeks throw some rocks, yell loug and go home to spill some souvlaki on their bear, let the givt think about it
undata: you combine militarized police with a currency crisis, something of that nature, then maybe
decimation: asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
assbot: Ludlow Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPAoWu )
undata: or better stated, right now the protesters still have somewhere to go home to
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: and others.
undata: I'd like to see what happens when they do not
undata: 5 years, 10?
cazalla: undata, you want to avoid this?
undata: cazalla: "I'd like to see"
undata: hell no
asciilifeform: undata: the folks 'who do not' - today - are they in a mob? what have they burned?
asciilifeform: or do they simply 'go gently into that good night' somehow
asciilifeform: as invariably happens.
asciilifeform: sometimes - with help, sometimes - without
asciilifeform: herr orlov: 'you will know that collapse has happened only when it happens to you.'
decimation: related http://www.washington.edu/news/2014/11/24/study-us-attracting-fewer-educated-highly-skilled-migrants/
assbot: Study: US attracting fewer educated, highly skilled migrants | UW Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPARYL )
decimation: "While 27 percent of migrating professionals among the sample group chose the U.S. as a destination in 2000, in 2012 just 13 percent did. The decline was seen across professionals with bachelor’s, master’s and doctoral degrees."
decimation: the relative winners: africa, latin america, ocean, asia
Vexual: what do you like about living in the us asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: plenty of would-be pilots for the wooden cargo-cult airplane.
undata: asciilifeform: I'd think it depends on how many
undata: but it's not a simple thing to predict
asciilifeform: Vexual: i've never lived anywhere else as an adult
asciilifeform: Vexual: so cannot properly answer
Vexual: you left ussr?
asciilifeform: as a boy.
asciilifeform: technically, it left first.
Vexual: oh
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: http://www.theonion.com/articles/heavy-police-presence-in-ferguson-to-ensure-reside,37528/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Pic:1:Default
assbot: Heavy Police Presence In Ferguson To Ensure Residents Adequately Provoked | The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPBscU )
undata: BingoBoingo: haaah
undata: the news cycles on these things are heading towards the minutes-scale
undata: what were we talking about?
undata: my selfish concern is that the goddamn american roof falls in before I've vacated the building.
undata: it probably will
asciilifeform: i'm fairly certain this will happen in my case.
asciilifeform: what can i say, not everybody gets to 'take the train out of berlin a day before everyone else'
asciilifeform: !s gravity well
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decimation: unfortunately, there's not an 'american frontier' to emigrate to these days
asciilifeform: south pole?
undata: melt antarctica?
undata: ha
asciilifeform: i hear the last u.s. icebreaker has broken down.
decimation: millions of times easier to do it there than in space
asciilifeform: so, it may actually be a non-usg zone until it is repaired.
Vexual: where is it?
decimation: or... in a submarine
asciilifeform: and yes, much easier than in space.
asciilifeform: or in submarine, at least while usg undersea stationary sonar arrays function.
asciilifeform: *or than in submarine
Vexual: this reminds me of the first time i saw douglas mawson smiling back at me fron the $100 note
decimation: asciilifeform: usg radio chatter, ready for you to listen: http://usa-satcom.com/operation-deep-freeze-2014/
assbot: Operation Deep Freeze 2014 | USA-Satcom ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPCllO )
asciilifeform: why me.
decimation: you mentioned the 'radio in port' earlier, plus the south pole
asciilifeform: i also mentioned 'folks paid to give a damn'
decimation: hehe
asciilifeform: like, if mircea_popescu figures correctly, orlov
asciilifeform: if his check from moscow didn't bounce - he can listen.
decimation: eh, I bet orlov is more in the send rather than receive racket
undata: if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge
undata: and I'd just leave
undata: head for the south pacific or something
asciilifeform: undata: generally folks with a liquid, detachable (!) 1mil usd - have considerably more that is left behind, like the early stages of a rocket
decimation: at any rate, for folks with the skills, one can track most aircraft at will
asciilifeform: try moving your only 1mil overseas, intact
asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's article 'on your way out of the gravity well, this awaits you'
undata: asciilifeform: next years business income will be put to work purchasing BTC
undata: asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/psa-if-youre-trying-to-escape-the-gravity-well-youll-meet-this-on-your-way/ << this is the one?
assbot: PSA : If you're trying to escape the gravity well, you'll meet this on your way. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPDgCH )
asciilifeform: ^ yes that one
decimation: I bet problems like that one can be solved... by pay money to the right agents
asciilifeform: can be solved in 100 ways
asciilifeform: but they all involve some kind of burn.
decimation: yeah
asciilifeform: hence - rocket metaphor.
decimation: if you want to 'build slowly' usg will be interested in your form 8938
asciilifeform: to usg, you are a resource. a head of cattle. who lets a cow go ?
asciilifeform: only when its teat is empty of milk, and then the hide is emptied of skin, can there be any question of 'letting it go.' and even then, someone might like to tan your hide.
asciilifeform: *hide emptied of meat
asciilifeform ought to goto bed
Vexual: this is why theres some nutters floating around the indian ocean ex capetown
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kakobrekla: !b 4 ✂︎
decimation: asciilifeform: I wish usg took more of interest in raising quality rather than maximal extraction
asciilifeform: lol, quality
asciilifeform: dem0cr4cy!!
undata: nah, just get more plastic shit on the shelves
asciilifeform: rivers'o'meat.
kakobrekla: fuckin vexual spamming my bashes
decimation: yeah, that's the trend for the past 200 years
Vexual: what did i do now?
asciilifeform: does 'bash' even still work.
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kakobrekla: what do you mean?
asciilifeform: aha i recall, kakobrekla has to manually pick the goodies every now and again from it
Vexual: jorov too i expect
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kakobrekla: myea gotta get to it soon.
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undata: goodnight all; I'm going to make like a good russian in '90 and drink
Vexual: kudos
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mircea_popescu: <undata> if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge << barge powered by ethanol, lemme guess ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> try moving your only 1mil overseas, intact << if it makes you feel any better, when i left romania (the first time) i gave away large chunks of what otherwise'd been "wealth".
mircea_popescu: just like if al saud decides to leave saudi arabia he's not likely going to SELL it.
decimation: mircea_popescu: as to our conversation a few days ago about what King Louis XVI could have done about the socialist uprising, perhaps one answer is that actual people everywhere have an interest in damping the enthusiasm of this kind of mob
mircea_popescu: sure, so you have an interest. what now ?
decimation: I suppose these kinds of counterfactuals always factor down to 'should have killed private Schicklgruber'
mircea_popescu: looky here, dying empires don't dampen the mob. that's a job for the earlier times.
mircea_popescu: back when men still believed in the future of the entire construction, the effort and inclination to take children and wives over the knee can readily be summoned.
mircea_popescu: once it's fate is sealed, who can be bothered ? would you punish your children for misbehaving in a nuclear shelter ?
decimation: yeah that's a good point. especially if some homeless laut is peddling a false hope in the corner over there
mircea_popescu: let em have fun, what.
decimation: and so what comes is a generation of spoiled brats, willing to listen to whoever is promising bread & circuses
mircea_popescu: http://jim.com/killer.htm
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xW72Zq )
mircea_popescu: "Let Gingrich and Gore hail the arrival of the information superhighway that "the people" can use to talk back to our "leaders." Their illusive dream of "participatory democracy" will be short-lived.
mircea_popescu: Because this highway doesn't lead to Washington."
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: no roads lead to washington, actually.
mircea_popescu: "The information revolution will transform the politics of power just as surely as the broadcast media did 70 years ago. Only this time, power will devolve back toward its sources, not inward toward demagogues seeking to gather it. The Net will subvert the centralized economic and social control mechanisms that allowed the great welfare-warfare states[33] of the 20th century to dominate our commerce, our psychic landsc
mircea_popescu: ape and even our definition of who we are."
mircea_popescu: Wait for the day when citizens, incessantly polled by leaders trying to jump out in front of each passing parade, don't even bother answering the questions. "Do you feel that your group is going to get its fair share of the booty your elected representatives plan to pilfer from that group?" Get lost.
mircea_popescu: I am an American, but my children will be free citizens of the Net. They may reside in this country[22] or that, but their economic and social intercourse will effortlessly span the globe.
mircea_popescu: this guy should get some sort of journalism reward.
decimation: yeah Jim has a point, it seems to me the Internet has a tendency to empower the periphery at the expense of the center
decimation: when communication between the outposts becomes cheap, a giant bureaucracy to 'coordinate' things suddenly seems redundant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00042577 = 8.0896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00042577 = 4.6409 BTC [+]
undata: mircea_popescu: I have no philosophical objection to burning gas
undata: whatever the cheapest power plant is at the time will do
undata: I'd plan on still making software for money in such a scenario
undata: I think I could stomach enough human contact to tank up.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71350 @ 0.00041602 = 29.683 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. << this exists in point of fact?
ben_vulpes: i miss all the good logs.
ben_vulpes: <bagels7> can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bagels7 can i use a credit card << no but he does accept payment in tits, albeit roundaboutly
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ah hilarious
ben_vulpes: the RT iPhone app is a million times better than the WSJ's
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00042577 = 7.9619 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: ditto for al jazeera
decimation: I tried to use the deutsche welle app once, it crashed my phone
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
Vexual: I was just saying, when you're emailing your local member of parliment, realise that it might not be he that reads it, and know what you're selling
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> <cazalla> bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had <<< lol same << lol wait, bagels7 is into bdsm ? << the funny thing here is that *cazalla* is XD
cazalla: am not
Vexual: senate comittee starts tommorrow
ben_vulpes: lady doth etc etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33398 @ 0.00042883 = 14.3221 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: free rabbits
ben_vulpes: i'll pay for some rabbit stew
Vexual: ^ ditto
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4smim2MNvF8
Vexual: i'd roast it up with some oranges
Vexual: sweet meat
Vexual: ive been vego for a while
Vexual: i'd eat a galah
cazalla: Vexual, ya mate zhenya fucked up
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/digital-btc-lose-bitcoin-com-au-by-mistake/
assbot: Digital BTC Lose Bitcoin.com.au By Mistake | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1uzOQNX )
Vexual: who now?
cazalla: i've dealt with the auDA fuck heads before, tried to take mah domains off me
Vexual: hes not a mate or an associate
cazalla: i emerged victorious!
cazalla: Vexual, yeah yeah :P it was a joke
Vexual: i read the anual report tho
Vexual: it's not his main business
Vexual: although the model is quite nice
Vexual: his bitcoin consulting fees were higher than his directors renumeration
Vexual: they made some good moves
Vexual: but theres still this interface between the bitcoin pace and the asx or whatever
Vexual: Yo can watch tmz and dcc, and that melbourne thing that never floated
cazalla: bitcoin group? that guy who is trying to float got social engineered lol and lost like 100 btc and he wants to run a company when he is so stupid to click emails
Vexual: really?
Vexual: i thought they were supposed to float a few weeks back?
Vexual: what form you do put in when you fail like that?
cazalla: nah, postponed he says
cazalla: medibank floated today
cazalla: another telstra scam by the looks of it, price is already under IPO on day one
cazalla: !up Vexual
Vexual: anyway zt doesn't mean zou tung anymore, this guy could buy his debt like me buying a cornetto
cazalla: i wonder if zt will just buy back the domain from new owner
Vexual: he might just ask nicely
cazalla: nah, new owner will prob want a pay day
Vexual: he might just get it
Vexual: i don't think zt needs it tho
Vexual: leaving 36k on the table might be a thing
cazalla: well, he bought it for digital BTC, so technically the company owns it, or did, not him
cazalla: so now he has to go to shareholders and tell them, at least i assume so
Vexual: yeah, ive read the annual
Vexual: it's obviously an oversight
cazalla: on his part yes but common way to get domains in .au
cazalla: auDA won't force new owner to return simply because of a mistake
Vexual: dog businnes
Vexual: but if you're not using it... eh
cazalla: few times people have taken it outside of auDA and to court though, ZT could do that or simply buy it back which i bet is likely to happen
Vexual: well h ecould verily claim he is bitcoin.com.au
cazalla: Vexual, perhaps new owner just uses it for email, there is no criteria stating he has to have a webpage
Vexual: im sure it will all sort out in the wash
cazalla: can claim, must prove
Vexual: anyway, that cunt can just hop n his aero and take a few more bitmain to iceland
Vexual: wot dhl?
Vexual: id guess he cares more about mining his own tx's than a domain name
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xS4BdvdRZk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00041926 = 4.9473 BTC [-]
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpmxrdN7Lg4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58650 @ 0.00041926 = 24.5896 BTC [-]
cazalla: !up Vexual
Vexual: i tell you wot, id consult for zt
Vexual: if he wasnt so scary
Vexual: if hes worth a mil pa id be 200k
Vexual: but with a loss like that, id recommend less
Vexual: here we go, it;s 20yearmoney to tell u sabout growth
Vexual: Jou Ma Se poes in a fish paste jar.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBYd1MuFMgk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00042106 = 30.0637 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36142 @ 0.00042523 = 15.3687 BTC [+]
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHD5nd3QLTg
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhX5W7JoWI
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00041955 = 7.2582 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <decimation> yeah Jim has a point << it was actually one Bill Frezza. jad just reprinted it.
mircea_popescu: <undata> mircea_popescu: I have no philosophical objection to burning gas <<< sure, but if you're on a barge you can't conceivably drill for oil. so ethanol's left.
mircea_popescu: (moreover my point was that growing shit is taking care of the small problem, most of your energetic needs aren't "what to eat")
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. << this exists in point of fact? <<< not quite, no.
mircea_popescu: !up orkaa
cazalla: bitcoin price after last years black friday sale?
cazalla: drop i mean
cazalla: ah never mind, went to moon soon after
mircea_popescu: by now "price" as reported by "exchanges" is pretty much a random value.
mircea_popescu: all the scams with "margin" and 90% fake trade volume get to report a "price".
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yes but i would prefer that random value be on the lower side either tmw or after black friday
mircea_popescu: lol
cazalla: not usually something i worry about but i am sure there will be a long line of people handing over coins for useless shit on black friday
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts.
cazalla: namecheap 99c .com sounds ok though
mircea_popescu: i guess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00042533 = 1.914 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63047 @ 0.00041985 = 26.4703 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00041838 = 6.9242 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00122931 = 1.2293 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: looks like bitcoin conferences are moving onto blockchain conferences now lol http://latitude.global/ sponsored by ethereum
assbot: Latitude 19.3N | INTERNATIONAL BLOCK CHAIN | January 2O,21,22 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1pih7N9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74417 @ 0.00042486 = 31.6168 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1156 @ 0.00122001 = 1.4103 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.00042006 = 23.5234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.09228782 = 1.0152 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 89 @ 0.09008809 = 8.0178 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 55 @ 0.09001891 = 4.951 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75447 @ 0.00042336 = 31.9412 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61398 @ 0.00042449 = 26.0628 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00042397 = 18.3155 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40041 @ 0.00041502 = 16.6178 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.1 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6137 @ 0.00041502 = 2.547 BTC [-]
mats_cd03: aw, i fell asleep before all the activity
mats_cd03: fergudishu, even.
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 381.05, Best ask: 382.49, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 382.49, 24 hour volume: 20437.64069085, 24 hour low: 372.91, 24 hour high: 395.11, 24 hour vwap: 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62186 @ 0.00041689 = 25.9247 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00041953 = 1.4684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23398 @ 0.00041953 = 9.8162 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: office space is painfully tight in pdx
ben_vulpes: "tech bubble" top when?
mats_cd03: my bets are on the next five years
ben_vulpes puts fuel in the product arm of the biz in a vain attempt to survive the music stopping
mats_cd03: whaddya need office space for?
ben_vulpes: 'Children’s need to be “stimulated, pushed and encouraged to take risks is as great as their need for stability and security,”' << merry go-rounds aren't a thing in the states any more, because children might get scraped up.
ben_vulpes: mats_cd03: i run a consulting shop. far easier to get contributors to contribute/consult when there's an actual place to go.
ben_vulpes: plus, i like to get out of the house.
ben_vulpes: plus, i'd like host client meetings somewhere that isn't a noisy-as-fuck coffee shop.
ben_vulpes: like *to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31095 @ 0.00041353 = 12.8587 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: http://youtu.be/Rw4BCniDqD0
assbot: Thrift Shop PARODY "I'm Obama" ~ Rucka Rucka Ali - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEriBO )
mats_cd03: struggle.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18879 @ 0.00041 = 7.7404 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21586 @ 0.00042164 = 9.1015 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59500 @ 0.00040986 = 24.3867 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/in-ferguson-police-cars-businesses-on-fire-much-worse-than/article_47fc89b3-b0d2-5c41-a1fa-f4636673aac0.html
assbot: IN FERGUSON: Businesses burn, police cars torched as violence 'much worse' than August : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEt1XU )
gernika: Some looting in Oakland: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Late-night-looters-trash-Oakland-stores-5915959.php
assbot: Late-night looters trash Oakland stores - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEu3mE )
BingoBoingo: Nice work cazalla www.thedomains.com/2014/11/25/bitcoin-com-au-sells-for-31200-as-owner-loses-the-domain-due-to-bad-registrant-info/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1003 @ 0.00122798 = 1.2317 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Interesting pictures in this one http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/25/ferguson_protests_fires_follow_grand_jury_decision_not_to_indict_darren.html
assbot: Ferguson protests, fires follow grand jury decision not to indict Darren Wilson. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEvGRk )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1411 @ 0.00122948 = 1.7348 BTC [+] {2}
mats_cd03: for whatever reason slate.com accepts left, right arrow keys as input changes the page...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 846 @ 0.00123 = 1.0406 BTC [+] {5}
mats_cd03: as inputs, and*
BingoBoingo: !up Shakespeare
BingoBoingo: Fucking white folks http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-protester-getting-ready-for-ferguson-shoots-herself-in-the-head/article/417008
assbot: Op-Ed: Protester getting 'ready for Ferguson' shoots herself in the head ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEwsxJ )
BingoBoingo: http://orbilu.uni.lu/handle/10993/18679
assbot: ORBilu: Biryukov Alex - Deanonymisation of clients in Bitcoin P2P network ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEwJAI )
mats_cd03: the nature of the negligent discharge seems dubious
mats_cd03: more likely the driver got into an accident while attempting to kill a nuisance.
BingoBoingo: Who knows. It isn't like more than half of clear homicides get solved in the StL metro.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 431 @ 0.00327579 = 1.4119 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75050 @ 0.00040852 = 30.6594 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: manual scoopbot incoming:
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/24/bitcoin-year-in-review-2014-the-price-went-down-so-we-prepared-for-war/
assbot: Bitcoin Year-In-Review: The Price Went Down, So We Prepared For War | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJCE4q )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/25/an-ode-to-my-tygers/
assbot: An Ode To My Tygers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJCCtk )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63500 @ 0.00040688 = 25.8369 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: https://twitter.com/magicaltux/status/537197032130084864
assbot: Recent Sony Pictures hack seems to point toward China or Korea due to included file encoding. More details: http://t.co/ChxUj8PJfA
jurov: such expert
pete_dushenski: brofessional
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/537242267371978752
assbot: Social, economic, & intellectual aristocracies have an almost error free mechanism by which members can identify each other very rapidly.
pete_dushenski: ^eg. la serenissima
jurov: lol how do you identify e.g. Vexual?
jurov *sniff* *sniff*
pete_dushenski: how don't you?
jurov: lol pete doesn't like to get sniffed
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/sony-pictures-suffers-targeted-cyber-attack/
assbot: Sony Pictures Suffers Targeted Cyber Attack | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vbWdPx )
BingoBoingo: * jurov *sniff* *sniff* << On the internet everyone is Dog
BingoBoingo: !Up Fergudishu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.0004052 = 21.354 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ParadoxBTC
ParadoxBTC: Why thank you :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46883 @ 0.00040333 = 18.9093 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00041182 = 23.9679 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: Jurassic World trailer is out
fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFinNxS5KN4
assbot: Jurassic World - Official Trailer (HD) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjTvsr )
BingoBoingo: TempleOS in the news http://motherboard.vice.com/read/gods-lonely-programmer
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjUrNt )
thestringpuller: Haven't seen fluffypony in a while
fluffypony: I'm like a ghost
thestringpuller: i thought that would imply you are dead but still alive (fake dead, but people believe it)
fluffypony: lol
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 378.08, Best ask: 379.42, Bid-ask spread: 1.34000, Last trade: 378.07, 24 hour volume: 19462.53412919, 24 hour low: 372.91, 24 hour high: 395.11, 24 hour vwap: 0
thestringpuller: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00041182 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ouch
asciilifeform: for those unfamiliar:
asciilifeform: !s terry davis
assbot: 6 results for 'terry davis' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=terry+davis
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.09 = 4.5 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i never new logic gates were so fun.
asciilifeform: !up diametric
diametric: http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2014/11/24/touch/
assbot: Kill init by touching a bunch of files ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjWL7d )
diametric: asciilifeform enables my laziness
asciilifeform: 'Of course, this already happened: someone wrote a patch... in 2011... That said, the patch was rejected, and that's that. The bug lives on.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69700 @ 0.00041399 = 28.8551 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867321 << why? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 04:18:11; asciilifeform: 1 of the 3 other monkeys, perhaps, knows russian (which imho is an absolute hard requirement for this particular stunt)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00041594 = 11.7919 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: adlai: because that is the language in which fundamental research in computing continued, while in the west - died in 1950s.
adlai: madness, blasphemy. all research must be conducted and documented in english!
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: outside of biochemistry and perhaps some aeronautics, i struggle to think of a field where research is done in english
cazalla: fluffypony: Jurassic World trailer is out <<< i could not be more disappointed
fluffypony: cazalla: it just looks like a rehash of the first movie but with better CGI
mircea_popescu: We present an efficient method to deanonymize Bitcoin users, which allows to link user pseudonyms to the IP addresses where the transactions are generated. Our techniques work for the most common and the most challenging scenario when users are behind NATs or firewalls of their ISPs. They allow to link transactions of a user behind a NAT and to distinguish connections and transactions of different users behind the same
mircea_popescu: NAT. We also show that a natural countermeasure of using Tor or other anonymity services can be cut-off by abusing anti-DoS countermeasures of the bitcoin network. Our attacks require only a few machines and have been experimentally verified. We propose several countermeasures to mitigate these new attacks.
mircea_popescu: anyone bother actually read the pdf accompanying these tall claims ?
cazalla: fluffypony, the new male lead is no ian malcolm either
adlai: ( http://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.7418.pdf )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjZ4XQ )
fluffypony: yerp
cazalla: BingoBoingo, hopefully it gets more traction in aus IT press, they love stuff stories like this
mircea_popescu: "a method for revealing IP addresses of Bitcoin wallet owners with success rate between 11\% and 60\%." ugh. my interest died.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My take on it is if you connect to enough nodes, you can probably tell which one prodcasted a transaction first, sometimes.
mircea_popescu: so ?
BingoBoingo: Amazing the rather abvious shit people pass off as "research"
mircea_popescu: let me guess, 11 to 60% of times, where 40% is arbitrarily defined as equal to "those cases where users use private connect lists"
mircea_popescu: derpity derp.
mircea_popescu: in the same line, here's this extraspecial pair of glasses which removes clothes off women
mircea_popescu: success rate ? about 11 to 60% of cases where woman splays herself naked on display.
mircea_popescu: le win.
cazalla: oh look at that, cointelegraph linking to qntra now as well
cazalla: http://cointelegraph.com/news/112988/if-you-bought-from-silk-road-coinalytics-may-have-you-mapped
assbot: If You Bought From Silk Road, Coinalytics May Have You Mapped ... ( http://bit.ly/1uCHfyb )
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922794 < no, he just humble. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:56:46; Adlai: assbot is immune to suicidal depression, because it doesn't even know it exists
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24231 @ 0.00039922 = 9.6735 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 144 @ 0.01115126 = 1.6058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10656 @ 0.00039563 = 4.2158 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: bash flushed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11419 @ 0.00039849 = 4.5504 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'de-anonymization' paper << mega-snore.
asciilifeform: in other news: usg's oceanic fiber tap catalogue apparently leaked.
BingoBoingo: O.o https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855130.0
assbot: 2014 Proof of Honor (POH) Awards - Official Voting begins December 1st (12/1)! ... ( http://bit.ly/15qmT6H )
asciilifeform: http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2013/02/22/mac
assbot: I mortgaged my future with a Mac ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTADjh )
mats_cd03: 16:06:20 <+asciilifeform> in other news: usg's oceanic fiber tap catalogue apparently leaked. << link?
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: buncha pdf turds on 'cryptome'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46136 @ 0.00041169 = 18.9937 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform may have been on to something http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/25/school-board-member-we-have-prepared-our-students-to-protest-in-ferguson/
assbot: School Board Member: ‘We Have Prepared Our Students’ to Protest in Ferguson « CBS St. Louis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cc93Uc )
BingoBoingo: !up babbys_first_bit
BingoBoingo: Hello babbys_first_bit
babbys_first_bit: hi
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts
babbys_first_bit: trilema and the convalex
babbys_first_bit: contravex
BingoBoingo: Cool
babbys_first_bit: reddit is cancer and bitcointalk is semi-cancerous
BingoBoingo: More Tor Drama: https://twitter.com/Anonyzation/status/537185269011587072 http://dpaste.com/2BRBXP7
assbot: Why is /puellavulnerata's account all locked up? /hashtag/tor?src=hashcc /yashalevine /paulcarr
assbot: dpaste: 2BRBXP7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9KFgO )
BingoBoingo: Indeed, chemo needed
BingoBoingo: Atm though I think bitcointalk's cancer is probably more terminal
The20YearIRCloud: Well, today we closed on another loan, putting the company back to a state with plenty o extra cash laying around.
babbys_first_bit: anyway
babbys_first_bit: these sub 400 coins, they're cheap right
BingoBoingo: Probably
BingoBoingo: Just make sure you can actually move them to an address you have sole control over
babbys_first_bit: I've migrated from bitcoin core to Armory
babbys_first_bit: i have a shitty laptop that I've devoted to my cold storage, disabled wifi etc
babbys_first_bit: Those paper wallet backups I made, if someone were to get a hold of them , and somehow know what they meant, could they steal my coins, or would they need my password?
BingoBoingo: That's a very good queston. Haven't used Armory in years
BingoBoingo: I instead [censored] my [censored][censored] with [censored][censored][censored] under a [censored] mountain
mike_c: babbys_first_bit: the paper wallet gives access to coins sans password.
babbys_first_bit: I find it kind of odd how I'd need to use a USB stick combined with accessing my offline laptop with the password before I can send coins, yet if someone were to get my paper wallet and knew what those four letter words meant, they suddenly have the keys to the kingdom
mike_c: it's kinda the point
mike_c: if that bothers you, encrypt the paper wallet and then print it out.
mike_c: or ask BingoBoingo to stick it in his mountain.
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BingoBoingo: !b 4 ✂︎
babbys_first_bit: I suppose unless I go around telling people IRL i've got a paper backup with my bitcoin wealth tied to it, nobody who happened to find it would even know what it meant. It's not like i wrote "ARMORY BACKUP FOR EXTREME BITCOIN WEALTH" on the backup
BingoBoingo: How do you know for sure you already didn't?
babbys_first_bit: i do tend to get falling down drunk on occasion
babbys_first_bit: i've hidden in a pretty gud place
babbys_first_bit: hidden it
babbys_first_bit: i dont hide myself
BingoBoingo: But with yourself and a soldering iron someone might extract the paper's location
babbys_first_bit: torture me?
BingoBoingo: Sure, someone could.
BingoBoingo: They insert soldering iron into a convenient opening and wait for it to heat up
babbys_first_bit: i think they'd go after the winkvoss twins bfore me
mats_cd03: uh, ok
babbys_first_bit: what's your excuse for not owning 1% of all bitcoins
BingoBoingo: But there's two of them and they are in shape from all of that rowing at indistinguishable northeastern school. You on the other hand have baby in your IRC nick and infants suck at avoiding abduction.
mats_cd03: a dubious claim
BingoBoingo: !up babbys_first_bit
babbys_first_bit: what happens to the channel if you automatically get to speak upon arrival
BingoBoingo: babbys_first_bit: Voice instructions http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1xYGx5y )
babbys_first_bit: hmm ok
babbys_first_bit: so that fat fucker from mt. gox, do u think he stole everyones coins or were they just "lost"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00040665 = 12.3622 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: He prolly ate them. Maybe Jed from Ripple/Stellar/WTFBBQ stole them after he sold Gox to Karpeles. hard to know.
babbys_first_bit: is blockchain.info the only online wallet where the website owners can't just run off with my coins
dignork: babbys_first_bit: they can.
BingoBoingo: There's ways they can run off with coins too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00041847 = 8.9762 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3802 @ 0.00041705 = 1.5856 BTC [-]
dignork: babbys_first_bit: and if you insist on comparing bad ideas, greenaddress is somewhat better.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35706 @ 0.00040111 = 14.322 BTC [-] {2}
babbys_first_bit: how many bitcoins will i need today to be a millionaire in 10 yrs
kakobrekla: ill tell you for a buttcoin.
babbys_first_bit: Why haven't the devs or the general userbase demanded we switch from BTC to micro BTC or whatever
kakobrekla: !down babbys_first_bit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20962 @ 0.00039415 = 8.2622 BTC [-] {2}
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asciilifeform: http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/25/russian-official-ferguson-highlights-serious-challenges-to-the-american-society-and-its-stability << linked from BingoBoingo's link
assbot: Russian Official: Ferguson Highlights ‘Serious Challenges to American Society and its Stability’ « CBS St. Louis ... ( http://bit.ly/1vLpenU )
asciilifeform: ^ these folks need to invoice moscow for their orlov cheques.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, has it been established Mr. O is paid by Moscow btw ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: lol, no
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: but mircea_popescu once confessed that he suspected.
Apocalyptic: I was kind of wondering about it recently, it could make sense