mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: and something tells me this is going to be a bitch going forward.
mod6: yeah.
mod6: hrm
mod6: ok so this http://therealbitcoin.org/treasurer_contract.html is the contract with jurov's submission
mod6: (to deedbot)
mod6: and if both ben_vulpes and I sign that exact document with our keys, there is a tie back to the deed submitted by jurov
punkman: handy when you are searching http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/from/jurov (can also add /rss there)
assbot: #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: rss'd be good.
mod6: the problem is here, that "[R.1] doesn't tie back to the specific Charter document
punkman: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/from/mircea_popescu/rss
assbot: deeds signed by mircea_popescu
mod6: just jurov's submission to the deedbot
mircea_popescu: punkman can there be 1st line of deed too ?
mod6: so there should be a R.1 secion to the submission to deedbot for the charter, and an R2 that ties back to his submission of the Treasurer's contract to the deedbot
punkman: mircea_popescu: might as well put the whole thing there (gotta fetch from db and decompress)
mircea_popescu: punkman actually. yeah, whole thing no signature
mircea_popescu: google will haet you otherwise.
punkman: why no signature?
mircea_popescu: to keep it lighter. i suppose you could actually put the whole thing sure.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mod6: and as far as "[R.1]" it should probably encompass both of our signed submissions of the charter to deedbot
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski who is http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/21/tete-a-tete-with-a-neo-national-socialist/#comment-4561 ?
assbot: Tête-À-Tête With A Neo-National Socialist | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: (since we didn't submit them on the same bundle)
mod6: any errors in this thinking?
punkman: should I look into creating a utility that does the multisig hack?
mircea_popescu: no.
punkman: or whatever can help such workflow
mircea_popescu: mod6 srsly, i wouldn't worry about it. it's there, it's signed.
mircea_popescu: anyone has doubts about the matter has also the means to verify it.
mircea_popescu: what problem remains ?
mod6: ok. just was hoping for distinct links.
mircea_popescu: the key to a functioning computer isn't that "everything is on your screen at the same time"
mircea_popescu: mod6 but you each have a link no ?
mircea_popescu: im not getting something here.
mod6: just was hoping for a daisy-chained document sigs in the public record
mircea_popescu: so you mean you want jurov's thing to reference the charter you two signed ?
mircea_popescu: this is trivially accomplished, just include the two links.
mod6: m6 & bv --sigs-> A & B signed charter ; treasurers sub-doc contains links to A & B to be signed by j & mod6 & bc
mod6: s/bc/bv
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: the key to a functioning computer isn't that "everything is on your screen at the same time" << this is how i ended up with 4 screens (and counting...)
mircea_popescu: im still using one. old school.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever found a new 'trinitron' ?
mircea_popescu: to be fair tho, i have a coupla other machines, so i suppose that counts as multiple anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not rly looking tbh.
asciilifeform: surrendered to modernity?
mircea_popescu: i've hammered this lcd thing into low emission tolerability, and well... kinda too lazy i guess.
asciilifeform: 'eizo' makes tolerable lcd.
asciilifeform: (tolerable - as in, still viewable when vertical, for instance.)
mircea_popescu: i don't overturn them anyway.
asciilifeform: on account of my peculiar profession, i am rather addicted to overturned screens.
asciilifeform: foundation, l2 trust of assbot << i'd suggest switching from the #b-a voices for the turdatron to l1 of jurov (or ben_vulpes?) - i.e., do we want the camgurlz submitting patches?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'd reject a patch because it was submitted by a whore ?
asciilifeform: nope.
mircea_popescu: so then ?
asciilifeform: but folks should at least have to ask to play
asciilifeform: not that it matters much, 'if used as prescribed'
asciilifeform awaits the patch whores
mircea_popescu: i wish to see the camho that figures out how to submit fuck you to this thing.
asciilifeform: we had quite a number here who figured out gpg, no?
mircea_popescu: but generally : trust-but-verify is the best model available.
ben_vulpes: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lexl2/here_is_why_the_hash_rate_jumped_and_took_a_dive/
assbot: Here is why the hash rate jumped and took a dive in days. EST. $3,600,000 worth - GONE! : Bitcoin
asciilifeform: 'доверяй но проверяй'
asciilifeform: ^ rhymed in the original.
asciilifeform: (trust but verify)
mircea_popescu: the original is afaik greek
asciilifeform: let's have it?
mircea_popescu: maybe it rhymes in russian because russian was so made so that good original sentences rhyme ?
asciilifeform: ehehe.
ben_vulpes: i just got an email with an attachment
ben_vulpes: LEL NDA
ben_vulpes: where is the eyerolling emoji again?
asciilifeform: humlangs without declensions are a royal bitch to rhyme.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had it from patristics, and assumed it's greek. seems it's actually bona fide russian folklore.
asciilifeform: http://s005.radikal.ru/i211/1110/84/274b6149a5d6.jpg
asciilifeform: http://demotivkartinki.3dn.ru/_ph/5/2/119518605.jpg
asciilifeform: etc.
mircea_popescu: lol condom
punkman: that's a greek comic
punkman: "trust but verify" doesn't translate very well though
punkman: http://www.messiniaportal.gr/sites/default/files/field/image/ark.jpg
mircea_popescu: so apparently ask.fm is where all the cool kids are nao.
asciilifeform peeked, not impressed. must not understand how the world works (tm).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00072477 = 4.8922 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Which town did you grow up in? What's been the best commercial you've seen? What’s the best gift you have ever given someone, in your opinion? What position do you sleep in? Are you a very ambitious person? What is the worst gift you have ever received?" << of all the inept shit...
asciilifeform: these folks >> straight to butugychag.
asciilifeform: there's a pick and a cart with each of their names on'em.
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/11/is-unlearning-harder-than-unschooling.html << intro to mr. o's linguistic crackpottery
assbot: ClubOrlov: Is unlearning harder than unschooling?
ben_vulpes: http://fuckyes.shithouse.tv/
assbot: fuckyes
mircea_popescu makes account, and for a minute contemplates stream of meaningless faces, and their literal outbursts. la nausee strikes.
asciilifeform: wallowing with the eagles, eh.
mircea_popescu is at that precise moment enlightened : rather than interact with random people, he'd count sand.
asciilifeform prefers soaring with the pigs any day of the week
ben_vulpes: i've been working out of a client's office on the 27th floor of this skyscraper downtown all week, and every time i walk outside i'm struck with gut-level desires to insulate myself from the people derping around outside the building.
mircea_popescu: this notion that "other people" exist is perhaps the most striking shared delusion humanity ever came up with. seriously, they do ? how ?
asciilifeform: hard to smell the pheromone trails when not an ant, yes.
mircea_popescu: guess so.
cazalla: so i butchered 6 rabbits this morning and a crow swooped and took a bunny head, imagine the poor kid that finds that in his backyard lol
mircea_popescu: ew
asciilifeform: there was a soviet-era kids' book about a lil'bugger who gets turned into an ant as punishment for his idiocy
asciilifeform: and 'has problems' in the ant colony
asciilifeform: wish i still had my copy.
mircea_popescu: you know the ancient story of the "magical" ass yes ?
asciilifeform: golden?
asciilifeform: apuleus ?
mircea_popescu: nah.
asciilifeform: which, then
mircea_popescu: worker falls asleep on the roadside, with loaded ass next to him. coupla bums decide to steal the goods
mircea_popescu: one of them comes up with a bright idea : takes bit off ass, puts over own head, while his fellow takes the ass and its load away.
mircea_popescu: worker awakens, finds a man instead of the ass. man explains that lo! he was cursed by his jealous lover woman, and his time as an ass just came to an end!
mircea_popescu: awestruck worker bids him enjoy his freedom and leaves.
mircea_popescu: coupla weeks later, worker runs into his ass at a fair. shimmies next to it and whispers
mircea_popescu: "who did you fuck now!"
asciilifeform: l0l
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3PK3CYG.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 3
mircea_popescu: Most people stumble through life afraid to speak any of the words that they only know from their reading, fearful that they will make fools of themselves by mispronouncing them in public. <<< this was a fact in jerome k jerome's england, back when people knew your class based on your rp.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile your average usian has no problem speako spanisho, and wonders why the spanish speakero no understando.
asciilifeform: orlov appears to subscribe to the hypothesis that english is a semi-deliberate qwerty for 'branded on the toungue' purposes.
mircea_popescu: o holy shit don't tell me he's of the "spoken as written" school of pararetardism
mircea_popescu: no, no... he is!
mircea_popescu: jesus.
mircea_popescu: Take the word that sounds like “tu.” It is spelled in three different ways: “to,” “too,” and “two.” << if only these actually sounded even vaguely alike.
mircea_popescu: that he's an ignorant ass i know. but why is he such a twerp to not even bother do his motherfucking reading, quote the actual canonical examples on this topic ?
asciilifeform: these sound quite alike in usa.
asciilifeform: or perhaps just my tin ear.
ben_vulpes: nope.
ben_vulpes: or maybe i'm infected with context.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's possible you don't hear them. some people don't distinguish some colors, red/green, yellow/blue, whatever. it does not follow paintings are bad or w/e.
asciilifeform confesses he was taught 'uk' style as a boy and had to slowly unlearn it, to much lulz
asciilifeform: ask a teacher of english in ru, and you'll get 'english is what they speak in england! here's how...'
mircea_popescu: the way this works is actually very similar to genetics. there's someting like 100ish vowels available to the human voice. these are all spaced equally apart, say 1 unit each.
mircea_popescu: no fucking language uses all 10 a's or all 10 o's.
asciilifeform did the obligatory tour of duty as linguistics 'minor' at uni
mircea_popescu: if a language happens to use the 3rd and 9th a, then the speaker expects that 6 unit barrier.
mircea_popescu: when confronted with language using 5th 6th and 7th, he believes them to be "the same". this is not actually the case.
asciilifeform: one you factor out the regionalisms, you get approximately orlov's phonemes, though.
mircea_popescu: there is a very slight difference between the length of the vowel in to and too, which length allows the latter to round closer to a plain u
mircea_popescu: whereas two has a faint j in there.
mircea_popescu: consider that the u in food is properly uː whereas the u in good is properly ʊ. these are in fact quite distinct, for most people , with some training.
mircea_popescu: juː is best heard in cue, or mule
asciilifeform: if this recipe is followed, you end up a brit.
mircea_popescu: and if it's not, you end up an urk.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, ebonics speaker.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no argument that english is, under the pressure of its colonialism, dieing a chinese death. so the argument is widely moot.,
asciilifeform: they have their own most curious vowel 'dip switch' settings.
asciilifeform: aha, it's the ultimate poorly-specced mandarin.
mircea_popescu: mandarin was never specced, because, well... the speech is the spec.
mircea_popescu: The “g” in “beige” is the same consonant sound as the “s” in “Asia” and “z” in “azure.” << god help us.
punkbot: [trust-update] no changes
asciilifeform: in mr o's docs, he specifically highlights 'unspell' being designed for folks who aren't u.s. subjects, but rather random people from the outer landscapes of the empire who 'know english' as written hieroglyph, but can't actually speak to one another except in a highly-castrated pidgin when they chance to meet
mircea_popescu: And the kids are supposed to be able to make sense of this? At what point are children allowed to learn a set of symbols that unambiguously represent the speech sounds of English? << <this idea that if kids had it easier the world would be better is not unlike the idea that if the government spent more money the economy would work well.
mircea_popescu: holy fuckingshit, fifty years of making it progressively easier for kids were enough to squander 500 years worth of accumulated advantages, to the point even the fucking indians can now compete with american kids.
mircea_popescu: are you kidding me ?!
asciilifeform: there's also a school of thought where 'notation is worth 80 iq points' and roman numerals are deservingly gone from mathematics
mircea_popescu: kids need to be positively tortured.
asciilifeform: tortured? sure. mutilated?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you seen mathematical notation recently ?
mircea_popescu: it has about as many symbols as medicine has words.
asciilifeform: sure.
mircea_popescu: note that he's not proposing to get rid of the training weights to replace them with actual anythings.
asciilifeform: but, at least if speaking of mathematics-proper rather than 'perl', they come with usefully non-contextual definitions.
mircea_popescu: give me an example.
asciilifeform: nabla.
mircea_popescu: any mathematical symbol is defined within its context and there only.
mircea_popescu: as per godel.
asciilifeform: within context - aye
mircea_popescu: anyway, eating brb.
asciilifeform also remembers that he forgot to eat.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform also remembers that he forgot to eat. << And you're the one worried about everyone else's starvation!
asciilifeform: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lexl2/here_is_why_the_hash_rate_jumped_and_took_a_dive << 'miners can also have problems' !
assbot: Here is why the hash rate jumped and took a dive in days. EST. $3,600,000 worth - GONE! : Bitcoin
asciilifeform: asic may be costly, but kerosene is cheap.
kakobrekla: which machines are those
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you suspect arson?
asciilifeform: cui bono.
asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't sniff the embers
asciilifeform wonders why the setup wasn't under permanent inert gas to begin with
ben_vulpes: or fire extinguishers?
BingoBoingo: This is a point. Seriously why would people have a fat wall of mining hardware and no halon?
ben_vulpes: i suppose mining really is so low margin these days that even the antifire stuff ruins profitability.
asciilifeform: as one commenter pointed out, building was not sealable and therefore unsuitable for halon
asciilifeform: but i wasn't talking about on-demand flooding
kakobrekla: here is before : http://i.imgur.com/mYr74jf.jpg
kakobrekla: cowboy miner
kakobrekla: good it wasnt a slut?
ben_vulpes: jesus.
ben_vulpes looks forward to slutminer
asciilifeform: on-demand flooding is also a varied beast. canonical example: 'hermitage' art museaum in leningrad. fitted with co2 tanks in the '50s. bell rings, you have two minutes to get out. after that, doors seal and 100% co2 atmosphere.
ben_vulpes: ;;google slutminer
gribble: No matches found.
BingoBoingo: md5 http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/crypto-attack-that-hijacked-windows-update-goes-mainstream-in-amazon-cloud/
assbot: Crypto attack that hijacked Windows Update goes mainstream in Amazon Cloud | Ars Technica
ben_vulpes: http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-075
assbot: SCP-075 - SCP Foundation
thestringpuller: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-cowboyminer-hosting-your-1th-s-a1-dragon-miners-at-excellent-rates.322187/
asciilifeform: ^ lol! those are lovely.
BingoBoingo: Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits
asciilifeform: afaik these never usefully fill.
asciilifeform: not with He (decay daughter) either.
asciilifeform: (whither helium? unfortunately, mostly mixed in with combustible 'natural gas.' and mostly in usa.)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in emails do you prefer Stan or Stanislav?
asciilifeform: doesn't matter
ben_vulpes: mk.
asciilifeform: so long as to correct key
ben_vulpes: ah, but for mailing list references.
asciilifeform: generally - 2
asciilifeform tried to subscribe, failed
ben_vulpes: check your 'spam' folder - jurov's not done anything with dkim
asciilifeform: negative.
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: jurov!
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> jurov! << Sleeping
ben_vulpes: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos
assbot: 0.5.3-todos [bitcoin assets wiki]
ben_vulpes: a foundational question: do bounties work?
kakobrekla: btw you can do subcategories there as well
kakobrekla: maybe you want like foundation/client
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: or chicken/... :p
decimation: dkim is kind of a chumpatron
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to sum it : there already exists a phonetic notation, and has, for a century. it has the advantage that it works in all languages, and it is also fine enough for absolutely any conceivable use, with its extensions.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, there are numerous attempts by various poetterings to create a "better language" because maybe that way their mother will not have been a crackwhore anymore.
mircea_popescu: the most notable example is that polari gypsy lingo thing, which is notable for how shitty it is.
mircea_popescu: so... whatevs.
BingoBoingo: Oh, the IPA thing?
mircea_popescu: sure/
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/N7K36Kw.jpg << fucking funny that burned rigs are STILL teh problem.
cazalla: anyone want to buy some lucky rabbit feet or maybe even heads? http://i.imgur.com/gfYKXLP.jpg nsfw
BingoBoingo: Ah, Yeah, it's a pain. Latin alphabet works one way, Anglophones have retarded vowel shift, the irrelevance of Chinese supposes azns should look to Castellano as a lingua franca for dealing with white people.
mircea_popescu: what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wonders why the setup wasn't under permanent inert gas to begin with << margins.
ben_vulpes: heh.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ? << If by like perl you mean the runtime doesn't suck, then maybe?
mircea_popescu: as ben_vulpes points out.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo strictly discussing notation.
BingoBoingo: AH
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: here is before : http://i.imgur.com/mYr74jf.jpg <<< absolute "cheapest of the cheap" scream to it huh
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits <<< if you're going to fill with gas, fill with technological gas.
mircea_popescu: whatever your compressors can eat.
decimation: supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language
BingoBoingo: Well, I mean the mines flood themselves with it
mircea_popescu: decimation the ones that don't speak italian anyway.
decimation: yeah or german
mircea_popescu: that's a myth.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language << Actually this is indeed a thing.
BingoBoingo: If they are from Usia
BingoBoingo has seen on several occasion musical scores in not Amerglish which had the target language only in IPA
decimation: http://archive.csustan.edu/Music/handbook/Vocal_Major_Requirmnts.html "Knowledge of International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) for English and Italian Sight reading"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: a foundational question: do bounties work? << they work best when large audience, small rewards.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how do i edit thios wiki ?
mircea_popescu: decimation the thing with ipa is that it roughly works like a modular pluggable thing.
kakobrekla: How do I add stuff?
kakobrekla: For editing rights, please ping kakobrekla on IRC. You also need a rated WOT account.
kakobrekla: do you have a rated wot account?
mircea_popescu: i do!
kakobrekla: good!
mircea_popescu: what nao
kakobrekla: pm
mircea_popescu: how does one use a wiki ? specifically, i wish to add an answer to "what is the desired behavior here?"
asciilifeform: ipa suffers deadspace problem
decimation: deadspace problem?
asciilifeform: that is, wtf to do with a keyboard where most of the keys - you will never push.
decimation: well, chinese solves this with a little gui tool
asciilifeform: also folks hate latin with squiggles.
asciilifeform: i sure as fuck do.
asciilifeform: in fact, my main objection to orlov's gizmo is that it isn't huffman optimal.
asciilifeform: quite like ipa.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: so in your opinion bounties for biggies like "wedged 0.5.3" aren't going to produce much?
asciilifeform speaks as a formerly very regular 'in anger' user of ipa
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: bounties << let's ask more concretely. how much of a bounty would move you, personally, to unwedge 0.5.3 ?
decimation: wrt english pidgin < This already happens, ever been to hawaii?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes let's consider the general point. a) elvis at the hight of his popularity offers a beer to anyone that runs a mile in five minutes ; b) totally unknown autistic otaku offers a million internet funbutts to anyone that runs a mile.
mircea_popescu: which is the more likely to result in run miles ?
asciilifeform: proverbial example of 'big hand, small bounty' - don knuth and his typo cheques.
mircea_popescu: ^
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform speaks as a formerly very regular 'in anger' user of ipa << IPA is the java of the linguistics world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point is merely that if a space already has a bad solution, implementing a bad solution by nobody is stupid.
mircea_popescu: it will be worse.
asciilifeform: a -good- solution by nobody - might have chance.
asciilifeform: but 'better to be rich and healthy than poor and disease-ridden', yes.
mircea_popescu: i read enough to know the person is not only never going to produce a good solution, but is actually ignorant enough to not even realise what the difference may be, and on top of that impudent enough to imagine this not to be so.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: bounties << my unwedging << first i'd have to invent the universe
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the universe << nah, just rip out bdb
mircea_popescu: impudent, incidentally, is an interesting word. it comes, of course, from pudenda, and it connotes shamelessness, immodesty.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: but literally : cuntless.
mircea_popescu: somehow contemporary retardation has retained ball-less-ness
mircea_popescu: but cunt-less-ness is lost, and then people wonder why women feel unequal.
decimation: it seems to me that sqllite might make a reasonable stand-in for bdb
asciilifeform: decimation: same liquishit, different bottle
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: iirc this was considered and rejected for good reasons in array.
decimation: at least they claim to test the code
mircea_popescu: and i claim the crown of mexico.
asciilifeform: i'd do it but presently i've all eight of my shiva-hands full
mircea_popescu: do it with your cock!
asciilifeform: could, in principle, be persuaded to accidentally drop something
asciilifeform: but not cheaply.
mircea_popescu: no, not cheaply.
mircea_popescu: repeatedly.
asciilifeform: and i certainly hope i'm not the only one with hands.
asciilifeform: because if so, we're in a dire spot.
asciilifeform: where have all those literate folks scurried off to? the motherland calls!
asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/archive/f/f7/20091130080539!Ussr0437.jpg
decimation: lol is that a recruiting poster?
asciilifeform: aha.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not averse to it at all but i can't even tell what's bdb and what's other things.
ben_vulpes: right now, at least.
asciilifeform: flies-from-cutlets separation, yes.
asciilifeform: http://demotivation.me/images/20130529/qv4yvfj2tv42.jpg
ben_vulpes: :(
asciilifeform: http://cdn5.img22.ria.ru/images/92068/64/920686406.jpg
ben_vulpes: i mean i don't even understand how CRITICAL_BLOCKs are implemented yet
mircea_popescu: it' s a journey of discovery
mircea_popescu: from milan to minsk
asciilifeform: http://www.krasnoyeznamya.ru/gallery/rm_21_489.jpg << more relevant to the janitorial essence of the task.
asciilifeform: loosely translated, 'red army's fine broom, sweeps the filth clean from the room'
asciilifeform: and yes BingoBoingo that's a mosin.
BingoBoingo: Looks the part
decimation: asciilifeform: I didn't realize that the soviet army was a 'volunteer' organization
asciilifeform: voluntary-compulsory.
asciilifeform: (yes, that's a phrase.)
asciilifeform: 'it takes a brave fellow not to be a hero in the soviet army.'
BingoBoingo: "Voluntold" --Usian term
asciilifeform: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/2709/varjag-2007.4/0_1ef2c_d1f5d8f3_L.jpg << again the 'janitorial' motif.
BingoBoingo: US election baramoeter highlights: http://thesouthern.com/ap/politics/quinn-concedes-illinois-governorship-to-rauner/article_e4fc81ba-82e3-5ddb-a6e4-d6a25018e068.html Also this guy won a distric that was blue for 70+ years www.suntimes.com/news/marin/12915506-452/viral-rant-makes-instant-folk-hero.html
assbot: Quinn concedes Illinois governorship to Rauner : Politics
decimation: so it was kinda like you could volunteer or be told that you were volunteering?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the final phase of dissolution is when the best predictor for electoral failure is being the incumbent.
BingoBoingo: Yeah
mircea_popescu: it simply means the "voters" scum expect on average more out of the forcing of the public treasury than on the maximum the public treasury may contain
asciilifeform: public printery.
BingoBoingo: In Illinois, Pat Quinn's greatest failing was being an "honest Democrat"
BingoBoingo: To trim the budget he cut the wrong bezzels. Also broke the rule in Illinois that Governor must be Unrepentant criminal, he was repentant
decimation: I predict that now the republicans have won they will quickly give away the farm on immigration, taxes, more welfare, etc
decimation: I predict that the number of H1b visas will at least triple
BingoBoingo: Well, that's how one keeps elected office generally
mircea_popescu: decimation visas are not actually bad.
thestringpuller: some companies hire H1B applicants over citizens/residents.
thestringpuller: ^- decimation
mircea_popescu: that's also not bad.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how so?
mircea_popescu: well, obviously depends what your goals are, but if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality is among them then an open system will alway sbeat any closed one.
mircea_popescu: in short, you're better off living in a country of immigrants than in a coutnry of citizens.
asciilifeform: for particular values of 'you'.
mircea_popescu: particular how ?
asciilifeform: straight to greenspun.
asciilifeform: http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science
assbot: Women in Science
asciilifeform: ^ that one
asciilifeform: 'Does this make sense as a career for anyone? Absolutely! Just get out your atlas.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, it boggles that this orlov fellow has somehow managed to get all the us diseases. srsly, an amateur is going to joseph smith his way into a better way to read ? and pushes this on random kids ?
mircea_popescu: insanity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not following ?
asciilifeform has the misfortune of working with quite a few 'h1b' folks.
mircea_popescu: go on ?
asciilifeform: typical speciment: chinese fellow, cribbed dissertation, 100% cribbed/shannonized papers, total and unambiguous waste of oxygen
asciilifeform: 'how did you get the sheepskin?' - 'washed glassware for advisor, same as the others.'
mircea_popescu: k t
asciilifeform: he gets his 25k/usd/annum, sends most of it home
mircea_popescu: i think you miss my meaning. " if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality"
asciilifeform: lab - 90% these folks, by weight.
asciilifeform: and it shows.
mircea_popescu: i don't happen to care that usians believe sucking cock is not something to be good at
decimation: the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials
mircea_popescu: the demand exist.
asciilifeform: now, the 'protectionist case' is not made here, because 'where there is a great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale'
asciilifeform: but it's still a laugh.
mircea_popescu: decimation not so. the chinese guy in his example was well skilled
mircea_popescu: just, at a skill the puritanical state refuses to name. "slavery" say.
decimation: they refuse to say it, but tacitly allow it
BingoBoingo: <decimation> the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials << Difference is Usians with phony credentials tend to get along better at work parties
asciilifeform: slavishly carrying out the rituals of 'scientocracy' - yes.
mircea_popescu: well, it's a skill.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a slave is a slave. the responsibility for his actions is his master's.
asciilifeform: if they were slaving in uranium mine - another matter altogether.
mircea_popescu: he is.
mircea_popescu: let me show you one btw
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P93o9_9N27o
assbot: Cel mai oltean dintre chinezi - YouTube
mircea_popescu: chinese guy in rural romania. herds goats.
mircea_popescu: was an obgyn in china. had a wife, math teacher.
asciilifeform: or the gurlz in that restaurant in timis, yes
mircea_popescu: the locals are haetful. because he outworks them.
mircea_popescu: imagine this. romanian rural population, making ~2-3k a year, thinks themselves better.
asciilifeform: strikebreaker, yes
mircea_popescu: i suspect guangfalong w/e
asciilifeform: falun gong?
asciilifeform: we have a pestilence of these in wash., d.c.
asciilifeform: they like to set up little stands with 'atrocity porn'
decimation: they hold gym class on the mall as I recall
asciilifeform: revolting little buggers
mircea_popescu: yah
mircea_popescu: anyway. i wish you all a happy nov 6th and laters!
gernika: I like the h1b worker as slave idea. Everything makes so much more sense now.
decimation: http://time.com/2919691/street-fight-congress-renames-road-by-chinese-embassy-after-jailed-dissident/
assbot: China: U.S. Congress Renames Chinese Embassy Road for Jailed Dissident
decimation: gernika: it's pretty much reality
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the locals are haetful. because he outworks them. << Generally the way this work in US is eventually Indian family produces doctor in US, they use their surplus to bringing in hardworking family members willing to put all effort into running fuelstation/convenience stores, shopkeep cousins succeed, finance next generation of doctors, pale natives bitch that people were willing to work at shopkeeping
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/you-know-what-you-should-do/
gernika: Silicon valley companies are full of h1b slaves
BingoBoingo: <gernika> Silicon valley companies are full of h1b slaves << You have to realize the h1b thing is USia's last defense against the doctor, retailer, doctor pipeline
decimation: BingoBoingo: the question is - do their children have the same work ethic/.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> BingoBoingo: the question is - do their children have the same work ethic/. << For a generation at least, but there's always more people with a work ethic who can sustain the system.
gernika: What makes a slave happy? Certainly not freedom.
gernika: That's what I didn't get
BingoBoingo: And I'm not talking about the Urban tradition of Arab shops, I'm talking about motherfucking Circle K, king of the Midwestern convenience market
BingoBoingo: gernika> What makes a slave happy? Certainly not freedom. << Goal oriented activity
gernika: Yes. Everything and anything for the goal.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/11/thai-mining-operation-catches-fire-estimated-7-petahashes-lost/
decimation: BingoBoingo: the real thing that enables this are "family relocation" visas
gernika: The goal doesn't have to be meaningful. It just has to be achieved.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Only on paper, the real power is there are always poor kids in India with dreams and a work ethic
decimation: where were they in 1910? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/27/a-shift-from-germany-to-mexico-for-americas-immigrants/
assbot: From Germany to Mexico: How America’s source of immigrants has changed over a century | Pew Research Center
BingoBoingo: <assbot> From Germany to Mexico: How America’s source of immigrants has changed over a century | Pew Research Center << I'm not refering to the most desperate, I'm talking about empire building follow from history http://www.circlek.com/history-and-timeline?language=en to the current reality
assbot: History and Timeline | Circle K: Convenience store chain providing quick stop services including fuel, food, snacks, drinks, cigarettes, beer and our world-famous Polar Pop
BingoBoingo: Dig into actual records, google will be of little help
gernika: BingoBoingo You have to realize the h1b thing is USia's last defense against the doctor, retailer, doctor pipeline << even doctors and lawyers are slaves in the US now, due to student loan debt.
BingoBoingo: ^ Depends on specialty. My brother who cam from the same poor ass lineage i did is now in Dentistry with his SJW wife and adorable dog
decimation: well, there's little doubt in my mind that the reason h1b visas are 'tech' targeted is because engineers have the least political pull in the us
BingoBoingo: Yes
decimation: I'm sure the doctors, lawyers, etc would be more than happy to ensure that poor indian kids learn computers and not us law
BingoBoingo: That is why stan doesn't atm have a ranch and to bitches trained in rifle-fu
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I'm sure the doctors, lawyers, etc would be more than happy to ensure that poor indian kids learn computers and not us law << Of course, even with the obamacare bezzel established families in medicine have a strong advantage
BingoBoingo: The difference between Internal medicine and dermatology is about 300k/year
cazalla: the indians come to australia on a 457 visa to work at places like mcdonalds
BingoBoingo: Networking, priveledge, reciptority, these are old mechanics. There were Roman Charioteers who earned more from sport than A-Rod could imagine
decimation: I thought australia had very strict immigration rules
cazalla: and i was not much a fan of them until i lived with one indian guy and he made the best hainanese chicken so all is forgiven
cazalla: decimation, yeah, if you try to come by boat but come by plane and it's easy
decimation: I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country << Twas inevitable. Blame the WASPs
cazalla: australians really hate boat people which is amusing given so many of us actually came by boat, my parents included, 50-60 years back, it's like they don't want to be reminded
decimation: what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude)
decimation: cazalla: were they POMs?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude) << Because the previous generation used their surplus income to establish petit dynasties
cazalla: decimation, nah germans, red cross helped my fathers family get out here
decimation: I've heard that there is quite a large number of germans in australia
cazalla: well, his family being his parents at the time and not me obviously
decimation: cazalla: were they fleeing the post-wwii misery of germany?
cazalla: decimation, east germany
cazalla: i dunno full story tbh, opa was in the wehrmacht and we have photos of him as an officer but my father reckons he wasn't an officer despite the photos and shit
decimation: most folks today never learn about the complete Apocalypse that faced german people after wwii
gernika: decimation any good sources to read about it? Seen some german movies about the immediate post ware period.
decimation: here's something http://www.rense.com/general78/germ.htm
decimation: the pediwikia article isn't too bad, lots of links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_%281944%E2%80%9350%29
assbot: Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883130 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883140☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 04:50:50; asciilifeform: there were fully-functional german hamlets in, even, kazakhstan
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 04:55:38; asciilifeform: what the anglos did to germany, will be remembered as -the- 20th c. crime.
gernika: thanks
gernika: interesting - the movie I saw was more about what the russians did to germany after the war. Wrt anglos are we talking firebombing?
gernika: I would not be surprised at the gap in my knowledge given my public education.
BingoBoingo: Anglos Firebommed and scared defectors with the "Russian threat", Russians at the time offered "Stalin"
decimation: gernika: I guess I was more referring to the intentional policies of starvation and mass population displacement
decimation: after the war was over, but yeah firebombing counts too. Of course the source for that is "slaughterhouse five"
decimation: but also after the first world war, when the same population was starved and forced into debt slavery
BingoBoingo: !up supay
supay: thanks BingoBoingo!
supay: i was wondering if the bitcoin price will really rise again..
supay: and what the reasons might be for the drop
supay: doing a small presentation about bitcoins for my 'technical seminar' at school! :)
BingoBoingo: <supay> and what the reasons might be for the drop << Buterin's waterfall
supay googles
BingoBoingo: !s waterfall
assbot: 34 results for 'waterfall' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=waterfall
supay: ah, thanks
supay: okay, that seems understandable.
supay: what do you guys think about the speculations? that 1btc will value anywhere between $10k to $40k or even more by the end of this year?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I'm working on a summary, if you can beat e to it submit it for publiccation
BingoBoingo: <supay> what do you guys think about the speculations? that 1btc will value anywhere between $10k to $40k or even more by the end of this year? << This year questionable, Next year possible, but work on your knife fighting skills
supay: haha, im only here to get your opinions and possible explanations for the same.. i dont have the know how to write a paper etc
supay: oh, okay.. thats seems sad considering a lot of people were expecting it to jump up all of a sudden..
BingoBoingo: supay: Qntra takes a lot of things.
supay: the logs you linked me to have a mention of how the FBI seize of the SikRoad BTC might be a cause.. i've heard a lot of people saying the same, would that be nearly true?
BingoBoingo: In Bitcoin you have to realize the thing shortly went from soft adversaries (Trendon Shavers) to hard adversaries (Obola and Ebama) very quickly
supay: lol :)
BingoBoingo: supay: Probably is in part, but not entirely
supay: Obolo and Ebama, rofl
BingoBoingo: The horsemen of each other
supay: hmm
BingoBoingo: Seriously BTC is a hard business this year. Jurov is surviving, barely, on 10 customers
supay: i see.. thats sad
supay: there was another mention of a reason for the price drop - a lot of companies now accepting bitcoins. but how does that work?
BingoBoingo: supay: Well it works the same.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 337.42, Best ask: 337.92, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 337.9, 24 hour volume: 13734.04653623, 24 hour low: 328.8, 24 hour high: 344.17, 24 hour vwap: 339.147808319
BingoBoingo: People with Bitcoin pay Overstock.com for schlock and Overstock sells the BTC automagically, feeding Buterin's waterfall
supay: interesting.. will have to go through that as well
BingoBoingo: !up supay
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-securities-update-october-2014/
BingoBoingo: ^ mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: !up csshih
csshih: o.o
gernika: So Buterin's Waterfall works like this: Buterin announces scam coin sale. Chumps give him btc, bringing down the price of BTC which he then sells for fiat. Weak hands then sell btc for fiat on the market out of fear. Correct?
gernika: If that is correct, how does the cycle repeat? Or does it?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ferglubbssake write the waterfall likbez.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: likbez takes time unless a less ruminant thinker than myself writes likbez... (hint)
asciilifeform: (asciilifeform) what the anglos did to germany, will be remembered as -the- 20th c. crime... (gernika) what the russians did to germany after the war << gotta understand the anglo m.o.
asciilifeform: never shoot the dog.
asciilifeform: tease the dog until it bites.
asciilifeform: then the other fellow'll shoot it.
asciilifeform: all you gotta do - stand an laugh. then dine on fresh meat.
asciilifeform: aka the 'let's you and him fight' theorem.
assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/174R9KP.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 6
gernika: So post WWI reparations imposed on germany was the teasing?
BingoBoingo: Maybe...
BingoBoingo: Maybe germans imposed on Germany the teasing, or the Austro-Hungarians.
gernika: then the dog bit russia?
asciilifeform: from the pov of a wilhelmine german, culture is where he is, and the english are a buncha pedos.
asciilifeform: what's more, he's approximately correct.
asciilifeform: old deutschland did in fifty years what england (post-newton era) could not do in 200.
asciilifeform: almost enough to be dangerous.
asciilifeform: so the anglos did what they do best.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the colonies (as mircea_popescu helpfully points out) never really grew into their father's shoes.
asciilifeform: england had isambard brunel. usa has - steve ballmer.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, the colonies (as mircea_popescu helpfully points out) never really grew into their father's shoes. << They played, the Great White fleet was a thing for a few months in Siam
asciilifeform: China: U.S. Congress Renames Chinese Embassy Road for Jailed Dissident << looking forward to eric frein street in beijing.
asciilifeform: hope to live to walk on it one day.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: riddle for you
BingoBoingo: !up ninjashogun
thestringpuller: why does my SNES from 96 outlast my friends' Xbox 360?
thestringpuller: s/outlast/outlive
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm entirely innocent of the xbox, so you may have to say what the cause of death was.
asciilifeform: let's guess - hdd?
thestringpuller: I don't know what fails to be honest. HDD failure on XBox though isn't fatal failure.
thestringpuller: what failed to be honest*
asciilifeform: and this - was?
asciilifeform: as in, smoke?
thestringpuller: just that red ring. the general "This xbox is fucked, don't bother repairing"
asciilifeform: other candidates include thermal death from plugged fan/vents
asciilifeform: and the ubiquitous and pestilential bga (ball grid array) deballings.
thestringpuller: that is what I suspect. that these newer consoles have higher tendency to overheat and kill themselves
asciilifeform: ;;google bga defective
gribble: Head in pillow BGA defects - AIM Solder: <http://www.aimsolder.com/sites/default/files/head-in-pillow_bga_defects.pdf>; Ball grid array & lead-free assembly defects, parts 1 & 2 - Ersa: <http://www.ersa.com/media/pdf/fachartikel/fachartikel_englisch/bob_willis-leadfreedefects_mailer.pdf>; Modern 2D/3D X-ray inspection - SMTnet: <https://www.smtnet.com/library/files/upload (1 more message)
asciilifeform: ;;google bga defective nvidia
gribble: Why Nvidia's chips are defective- The Inquirer: <http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective>; the nvidia defect | MetaFilter: <http://www.metafilter.com/97862/the-nvidia-defect>; Index page • The Nvidia Defect Forum: <http://www.nvidiadefect.com/>
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and the ubiquitous and pestilential bga (ball grid array) deballings. << red ring usually this
asciilifeform: 5 portables i owned with nvidia bga-mount packages, 5 died within a month or so of warranty expiration.
asciilifeform: 'greed is good, greed works'
thestringpuller: yet my SNES has stayed on 6 days, gotten much abuse, yet still runs like the day I opened it
asciilifeform: story doesn't have a happiend either. i still buy'em.
asciilifeform: because wtf else to buy.
ninjashogun: Hi. I was informed some people from here were talkiing shit about me? I don't have any interaction with this channel (and haven't for months) - if you have any specific complaints (or areas for room for improvement in the future) you can tell me. My reading is that this is a very low-signal troll community. (For example, cazalla's rating of my on WoT is after he gave me an Australian police department's number, not his own. Asciil
ninjashogun: ifeform and bingoboingo rated me as "us government" after I contributed 3 days of work via email, which they were free to ignore.)
ninjashogun: so let's discuss what your objections are if you have some.
ninjashogun: I am not coming by here anymore and otherwise have nothing to say. I hvae no comment on your community.
asciilifeform: snes >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/SNES-CPU-RGB01_01.jpg
asciilifeform: notice what isn't in the picture.
asciilifeform: bga.
asciilifeform: anything requiring active cooling.
asciilifeform: any really fine-pitched part.
asciilifeform: (not visible to naked eye) 'lead-free' solder alloy.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: You contibuted failing work on a simple paper about spinoza
asciilifeform: !s tin whiskers
assbot: 3 results for 'tin whiskers' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tin+whiskers
asciilifeform: need i carry on?
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - if you think that work is failing (though you aborted the draft early, but it literally included a dependency graphy exactly as you requested) then you're entitled to it. At least I did it as you requested.
ninjashogun: graph*
asciilifeform: incidentally, i wonder how many 'snes' and 'genesis' boxes are still in working order.
thestringpuller: hey mine is in perfect working order!
asciilifeform: i might like to release a proggy for them one day.
asciilifeform: because you never know when the trash turns into treasure.
asciilifeform: just look at that snes board.
thestringpuller: well you make good point. N64 almost doubled in value recently
asciilifeform: isn't it a beauty? how did they even get the bloody thing going without decoupling caps?
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: You point to a machine generated graph you submitted as right, but which was wrong
ninjashogun: It wasn't machine generated. I made it by hand in a word processor.
asciilifeform: (anybody have the flip side of that thing?)
asciilifeform: (are they found there?)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i suppose you want me to open mine :P
asciilifeform: or let it stay a beautiful delicious riddle.
thestringpuller: http://www.ulms.me/specials/tech-special/images/snes20a.jpg
asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/SHVC-CPU-01B_01.jpg
asciilifeform: ^ aha there they are.
asciilifeform: damn, no magic.
thestringpuller: only in the mind
thestringpuller: not much a of a gamer asciilifeform ? lol
asciilifeform never much liked machines where you're forced to pay for games.
thestringpuller: i guess i'm a baby. i don't remember a time when that didn't exist.
asciilifeform: it existed in 1980!
asciilifeform: i just never had any part in it.
asciilifeform: and playing on tv set (esp. ntsc crt) sucks.
thestringpuller: don't sit too close to the television
thestringpuller: how did we ever live with CRT's
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and playing on tv set (esp. ntsc crt) sucks. << NTSC was the worst
thestringpuller: I remember taking those things to LAN parties
asciilifeform: love a good crt.
asciilifeform: e.g., 'trinitron' from 'sun'
asciilifeform: but not garbage.
thestringpuller: that big ass square that's flat?
asciilifeform not really much of a gamer today. games mostly ended for him with the sunset of ms-dos.
asciilifeform: at least - new ones.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> that big ass square that's flat? << Great monitor
thestringpuller: checking google. i see.
asciilifeform: wasn't flat. (until the very last incarnations.) cylindric.
asciilifeform says goodnight
thestringpuller: asciilifeform has left the building?
BingoBoingo: .deed http://thedrinkingrecord.com/ninjashogun.txt.asc
punkbot: BingoBoingo: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
BingoBoingo: ^ ninjashogun
ninjashogun: Okay, BingoBoingo, I accept that I am to treat you as drunk 100% of the time. In fact I will extend the same courtesy to anyone else here who acts like they need it.
ninjashogun: anyway other than if you guys talk shit about me I don't hang out here anymore. (as you might have noticed.)
ninjashogun: I am only interested in building real-world businesses with real income streams, not taking bitcoin investments for something and running off iwth it. (Not referencing anyone here, this was a recent case with Moolah, for example. Or at least accusation.)
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: But you jsut addressed me. Trustrapist!!! Stranger Danger!!!
thestringpuller: we always think we have more time, but then it runs out
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wasn't flat. (until the very last incarnations.) cylindric. << Flat square one was nice.
punkbot: Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1GY7Ru7c
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ninjashogun http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/3eriHWDxLYe7ZLoF71cxQQMWv1Uyw1ZoXWPyXRYtmhUK trustrapist
assbot: Deed 3eriHWDx | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell punkman Thank you for doing deedbot right.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1GY7Ru7ckrfnaqUJG4yrvTXLkmLFHURip1 | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1GY7Ru7c
BingoBoingo: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/11/05/235245/undersized-grouper-case-lands-in-supreme-court << WHo wants to qntra this???
assbot: Undersized Grouper Case Lands In Supreme Court - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: !up sgnb`
thestringpuller: lol
BingoBoingo: Or am I the only person who finds fish tastiest straight out of the water
thestringpuller: I'm not competent enough in the law to write it up
BingoBoingo: K, I may have to
cazalla: ninjashogun> Okay, BingoBoingo, I accept that I am to treat you as drunk 100% of the time. <<< don't forget me!
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You swore "no drink" november, beer isn't drink
cazalla: i didn't even last a day, or another day after that
BingoBoingo: lol
cazalla: and the OCD means i cannot try again until Dec 1st
BingoBoingo: It happens
punkbot: [trust-update] no changes
mircea_popescu: !up aspho
aspho: thx, great work with the new real foundation btw
mircea_popescu: ha! thanks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25929 @ 0.00074981 = 19.4418 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://lphoto1.ask.fm/924/081/287/910003001-1s76tc6-mc6fq88b8knepp/original/Screenshot20111021at64529PM300x267.png eh.
BingoBoingo: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: ;;google sheep counting video
gribble: The Best Counting Sheep To Go To Sleep - 1 Hour - Mini Monsters ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htnQaMWVy4E>; Counting sheep to help you sleep - 1 hour version - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnL2IZn06ws>; Counting sheep to help you sleep. - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQraTxyM0ug>
punkman: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'punkman', with hostmask 'punkman!~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman', is identified as user 'punkman', with GPG key id 33588BE08B232B13, key fingerprint F28E0095843B91CB22E7D65533588BE08B232B13, and bitcoin address None
punkman: what, I'm still authed
punkman: punkbot, balance
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01438 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 130 more bundles.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16521 @ 0.00074613 = 12.3268 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyone looking for some web gruntwork ?
RagnarDanneskjol: yes
RagnarDanneskjol: whats the job?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9759 @ 0.00074163 = 7.2376 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up ug_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00074123 = 12.4527 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol so pankkake got butthurt because we don't like systemd, decided bitcoin "wouldn't have worked anyway" ? that's some pretty good fatlogic right there.
bounce: where'd that come from?
mircea_popescu: bounce contravex
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo:. << Generally the way this work in US [...] << yup, exactly that.
mircea_popescu: decimation: well, there's little doubt in my mind that the reason h1b visas are 'tech' targeted is because engineers have the least political pull in the us <<< they happen to be the only people who have an actual something to do, and so aren't quite as motivated to politics by the gnawing existential void that pushes the paper pushers.
jurov: sigh...you yanks and canucks insist to test only when i am afk
jurov: is there anyone around who can test btc-dev mailing list around CET working time?
punkman: jurov, what do you need?
jurov: just check if it works with various email clients
jurov: if you send signed message as described, ti should appear even without registration
jurov: i just found bug that has bit ben_vulpes, he was the first one who sent message from email actually matching his gpg pubkey :)
punkman: assbot trust list (combined L1/L2), updated every 6 hours: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/trust.json
punkman: jurov, what was the bug?
jurov: i did not understood mailman code
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00072752 = 19.6067 BTC [-]
punkman: jurov, I just sent a mail to the list
punkman: works http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000006.html
bounce: hooshit. zalman bust due to fraud. http://www.geek.com/chips/pc-cooling-specialist-zalman-goes-bankrupt-due-to-fraud-1608736/
assbot: PC cooling specialist Zalman goes bankrupt due to fraud | Chips | Geek.com
bounce rummages in the pockets for some spare change to snap this thing up without the loans
jurov: still not going through... brb later
asciilifeform: h1b engineers << afaik none of the folks who specialize in whining on the subject have publicly written re: how the particular kind of 'engineering' now popular in usa and its colonies makes the use of coolie labour not only possible, but mandatory.
asciilifeform: see also 'deskilling.' (actual term of art)
mircea_popescu: bounce interesting story.
mircea_popescu: !up poloux
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can't maintain intellectual dominance without political dominance, you can't maintain political dominance without social hierarchy. the us decided to scrap hierarchy. of fucking course it can no longer have intelligent people working in its workshops, whatever they may be.
asciilifeform: i'm just not seeing the 'scrapped hierarchy' thing
asciilifeform: that's rather like 'scrapped gravity'
asciilifeform: scrap gravity a hundred times, rocket somehow did not get the memo
mircea_popescu: the case study for this is renaissance france.
bounce: in spaaaaace
mircea_popescu: because france had a king and italy did not, it was able to import glassworks from france (and silk from china) and become a major producer, running it out of the market.
mircea_popescu: once france got rid of its king, it lost glass.
asciilifeform: and herr lavoisier.
mircea_popescu: back when shooting artillery upon the strikers was the publicly acceptable approach, ford and carnegie could dominate whole industries, and build the capital that's still to this day supporting us spending, that "full faith and credit".
mircea_popescu: once that was no longer the approach, the us was no longer noteworthy.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah. destructuring society -> deskilling economy.
asciilifeform: true, but not entirely connected to the h1b thing:
asciilifeform: who is being shipped in? it isn't factory grunts.
mircea_popescu: has entirely nothing to do with technology, as tardpedia emptily claims.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the bulk of they shipped in are "luxury workers", which is to say cocksuckers.
asciilifeform: afaik it's 'java monkeys'
asciilifeform: and almost wholly male
mircea_popescu: cocksucking's not a gendered role.
asciilifeform: if so, they're sucking a titanic phantom cock that never shoots its load
mircea_popescu: would brownnosers work better ?
mircea_popescu: "really placid and obedient people" ?
asciilifeform: 'good soldiers' - sure. but they're serving in an 'army' whose sole purpose appears to be 'painting the grass green.'
mircea_popescu: well, you know the joke with the sinking boat ?
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: seaworthy vessels work at going places ; sinking vessels work at staying afloat.
asciilifeform: ford, carnegie, et. al. worked at a tech level where perfectly-legit products required battalions of semi-skilled labourers
mircea_popescu: my proposition is that this is entirely besides the point.
mircea_popescu: counterintuitively enough.
asciilifeform: the attempted point is that the h1b folks are quite analogous to 'zamac'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform entertain this model for a second :
asciilifeform: the availability of zamac doesn't cause crud to be produced in lieu of genuine article. or does it?
mircea_popescu: suppose out of a hundred people, ninety-seven don't matter. ever. irrespective of any consideration, if god strikes them down tomorrow nothing happens.
mircea_popescu: allowing this as a fact : that at point A the three that mattered used thirty others to dance the ramma-butta, whereas at point B the three that mattered simply stayed indoors and piled items on top of other items is not what's relevant.
asciilifeform: where i'm from we have catch phrase for this, "отряд не заметил потери бойца"
mircea_popescu: whether at point A the three were motivated to work and at point B they were not is the clou of the matter.
bounce: quite a few rilly smrt people populating silly valley. they produce things like... "social networks" and many many cookie-cutter technology companies. it doesn't seem that h1b folks, no matter how smart or many, can hope to seriously dent that dominion
mircea_popescu: and so : technology has nothing to do with it. if the technology is "have 10 people do dances" or if the technology is "stay indoors and pile things"
mircea_popescu: what matters is : are you going to do it or aren't you.
mircea_popescu: to better understand this, consider doped uranium. some doped uranium is shaped in pellets, other doped uranium is shaped in bars. the only thing that actually matters is whether the uranium is doped with radioactive material or not.
mircea_popescu: what the DUP does is entirely irrelevant.
asciilifeform: doped?
mircea_popescu: not the best word.
bounce: druuuugs are baaaad, hmkay
asciilifeform: depleted?
mircea_popescu: nah. hm.
bounce: "enriched"
bounce: we're talking about upping the u238 content, wasn't it?
mircea_popescu: neither. for the purpose of the above, "doped uranium" = natural uranium ore. inert uranium with traces of radioactive uranium.
asciilifeform: traditional name is 'non-enriched'
bounce: s/238/235/
asciilifeform: (U has no stable isotopes.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and in the sense that all uranium decays, all people are people and matter.
mircea_popescu: might be there a loooong time tho.
mircea_popescu: what was it, 10k 10 100mn years half lifes ?
bounce: a little more
asciilifeform: 'A few years back, one dreadful boy ran up to me and said, “Mr. Bradbury?” “Yes?” I said. “That book of yours, The Martian Chronicles?” he said. “Yes,” I said. “On page 92 where you have the moons of Mars rising in the east?” “Yeah,” I said. “Nah,” he said. So I hit him. I’ll be damned if I’ll be bullied by bright children.'
mircea_popescu: myeah, 150k the lowest. aite...
bounce: 4.4e9 years for u238, 7e8 for u235
bounce cheats with wikipedia
mircea_popescu: bounce 233 is 150k im pretty sure.
mircea_popescu: rare as shit, but for the sake of argument.
bounce: oh right. just about.
bounce: meaning that it's all new by now.
mircea_popescu: to try and heal this utterly scattered conversation : if you properly ignore most of society, the whole shebang depends on keeping the few that matter huming. if they hum too slow it cools and dies entirely. if they hum too fast it explodes, and you get a golden age.
mircea_popescu: in any case, whatever they need they get, and that means you'll issue hb1 visas to obedient indians if those are the only obedient people to be found.
mircea_popescu: harkens back to the entire "how come 300 milion usians living in the best world ever don't produce about 500 renoirs a year ?"
mircea_popescu: well...
bounce: that's an easy one to shoot down. if they need that they're no good themselves and you need better people who matter no matter what.
mircea_popescu: exactly how a plate of uranium glass may glow under uv light, but won't warm anything much.
mircea_popescu: bounce i don't follow this logic.
bounce: leaders that can't lead lead to nowhere. if you can't anything but the meekest you're no good as a leader.
punkman: "we hired too many people, let's all make block explorers" https://github.com/bitpay/insight https://github.com/coinbase/toshi
assbot: bitpay/insight · GitHub
assbot: coinbase/toshi · GitHub
mircea_popescu: not a matter of leaders.
mircea_popescu: let's not confuse things. leaders are leaders, adonis-18
bounce: it still stinks of running entirely on chumps, so all we got is a chumpatron. how does that matter?
mircea_popescu: i dunno what you're asking.
bounce: I think we started out trying for find some sort of raison d'etre for a steady stream of h1b-grantees, didn't we?
mircea_popescu: i have a computer here, it runs this irc session. right next to it, i have a wooden box. it is ALSO MADE OF MOLECULES. it runs nothing. they form a society of the items in my house. they're all molecules. i wouldn't fucking notice if the entire fucking wooden box went away.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help me if someone took away a single germanium atom.
mircea_popescu: so now : all these run entirely on quantum mechanics. the box and the cpu. this is directly equivalent to saying "stinks of running entirely on chumps, chumpatron". so ?
bounce: how?
mircea_popescu: "if you stab him, does he not bleed" === "all molecules run on qm"
bounce: inasmuch that a random motor block conducts electricity. sure, but that's not really the point of it being shaped like a motor.
mircea_popescu: okay...
mats_cd03: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2014q4/000358.html
mircea_popescu: the proposition that "all things that are carry purpose equally so" is fallacious, and for that matter gnoseosocialism!
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: i'm not seeing anything i actually want in there...
punkman: the ssh integration seems nice, but can be hacked together on earlier version I think
punkman: " The file "secring.gpg" is not anymore used to store the secretkeys." << so where did they put them?
bounce: shattered argument is shattered. also, brb gotta hug a tree.
asciilifeform knew it! mircea_popescu is running mirceabtc on soviet machine made of discrete germanium transistors!
mircea_popescu: bounce lol
bounce: the cloud maybe? (see new --extra-safe-honest flag)
punkman: "Creation of X.509 certificates has been improved. It is now also possible to export them directly in PKCS#8 and PEM format for use on TLS servers." << anyone here tried to generate ssl certs with GPG yet?
asciilifeform: 'The Dirmngr is now part of GnuPG proper and also takes care of accessing keyserver.' << ahaha, we just luv new lib deps
bounce: that'd be single-atom germanium 'tors. those wily soviets, keeping it secret all this time!
mircea_popescu: punkbot asciilifeform stop you two. we are NOT reimplementing gpg before bitcoind is done.
bounce generated a gpg key with openssl once. because gpg won't generate dsa keys != 1024 bits
bounce: oh, so no matter what you do gpg now auto-starts an agent.
mircea_popescu: bounce you understand this serves no practical purpose yes ?
bounce: how... friendly.
bounce: er, AIUI it ought to work just fine most of the time, but I did it more to see if I could do it than anything else.
asciilifeform: to round off my argument (i'm about to drive off for a spell) the 'pliant, obedient people who gotta suck it up or the lights won't turn on' aren't the h1b folks. they're the phactory gurlz in shenzhen.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8606 @ 0.00072923 = 6.2758 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: the h1b folks are brought in mainly to churn out pseudoscientific papers (the ones i personally worked with at one point) and to crank out 'ruby on rails' and 'java' crud.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, dsa/elgamal uses dsa key for signing not encryption. for the other, the symmetric block cypher is not so very large anyway/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why all of this ?
asciilifeform: elgamal signature was removed on account of very simple fact of having been successfully broken.
asciilifeform: see http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=
assbot: CiteSeerX — Generating ElGamal signatures without knowing the secret key
bounce: even with the shorter key the symmetric cipher is thought to be stronger than the asymmetric cipher
asciilifeform: 'thought'
asciilifeform: where are the 'thinkers'
asciilifeform: !s elliptic
assbot: 25 results for 'elliptic' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=elliptic
mircea_popescu never trusted dsa anyway
mircea_popescu: http://lphoto1.ask.fm/453/619/198/910003027-1s773fl-e47199neshdsmf0/original/image.jpg << here's a happy goat just in case
bounce: that too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bounce anyway, i don't think we've really managed to talk of the same thing, so i guess this entire quesiton will come back in teh futures.
bounce: multiple times possibly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the thinkers : i'm pretty sure the symmetric cypher is currently the weakest link in our entire crypto stack.
mircea_popescu: which is why its replacement figured majorily in the prev discussion of bringing pgp implementation up to snuff
mircea_popescu: it's just not that much of a prioritah jet.
bounce: what're your indications for this?
mircea_popescu: full rsa.
mircea_popescu: symmetric cyphers are also socialist
bounce: oh. because socialism. right.
mircea_popescu: yup.
bounce: the gn00 guys also socialist. poettering not so much, though. why u no liek systemd?
mircea_popescu: it starts with s.
mircea_popescu: do you know WHAT ELSE does ?
bounce: the section between r and t in my dictionary
mircea_popescu: yeah. and stalin.
bounce: only because that other guy's name doesn't. doesn't make for a winning argument though.
mircea_popescu: you can't possibly be serious.
bounce: now how do I say "seelance, I keel yoo" in soviet russian?
mircea_popescu: are you the dead serrorist ?
bounce: not last I checked. my name doesn't start with an s either.
mircea_popescu: a you're ok then. ever stepped on a dead wasp ?
bounce: not that I recall. how so?
mircea_popescu: ;;google "Have you ever stepped on a dead bee" bacall
gribble: To Have and Have Not (1944) - Greatest Films: <http://www.filmsite.org/toha.html>; Walter Brennan - To Have And Have Not - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSgqrrWyF0Y>; To Have and Have Not (film) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/To_Have_and_Have_Not_(film)>
bounce: The Muppet Show: Sex and Violence (pilot)
mircea_popescu: fuck you google.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "ever stepped on a dead bee" bacall
gribble: Walter Brennan - To Have And Have Not - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSgqrrWyF0Y>; To Have and Have Not (1944) - Greatest Films: <http://www.filmsite.org/toha.html>; To Have and Have Not (film) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/To_Have_and_Have_Not_(film)>
mircea_popescu: aanyway.
bounce: ah, this pop culture thing. too newfangled for me, I'm afraid.
z33andO_o: I do not see this mentioned here, honeypot Silk Road 2 finally taken down by the FBI. No effect on dark net markets since it's market share was dvindling but it does mean the US government has managed to steal more BTC
z33andO_o: https://twitter.com/NewYorkFBI/status/530386208099426304 https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2lhasm/sr2_has_been_seized/
assbot: Operator of Silk Road 2.0, Blake Benthall, arrested yesterday by FBI agents in San Francisco, CA
assbot: reddit.com: over 18?
punkman: how much did they take now?
mats_cd03: brilliant criminal masterminds
mircea_popescu: z33andO_o not necessarily that much
mircea_popescu: !up valkenburgh
z33andO_o: We will just have to wait for some "news outlets" to tell us how much was in SR2 escrow at the time and how much this Benthall had personally (if they managed to steal his personal coins)
z33andO_o: As I understand it they got the SR1 wallet by recovering a deleted unencrypted version of it, who knows if he learnt from that
z33andO_o: Interesting: It is not just SR2, this is a coodinated. I took a brief look at the other darknet markets
z33andO_o: http://btccharts.everdot.org/2014-11-06/hydra.png <- also siezed
z33andO_o: and a few others are just down
kakobrekla: what is hydra?
mircea_popescu: z33andO_o you have to appreciate, wallets were originally unencrypted. but this was remedied many years ago, and before this thing got started.
mircea_popescu: anyone know hfc-125 caloric capacity offhand ?
bounce: LD50 of > 700k ppm at least.
bounce: http://www.firedot.com/FIKE/Ecaro/Ecaro-25_Accessories/Clean_Agent.pdf
mircea_popescu: caloric capacity. joules per kelvin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00070232 = 7.7255 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have the bdb functions used across the bitcoind codebase, correct?
ben_vulpes: bitcoin*
mircea_popescu: 1,5mn
kakobrekla: >irc: Used by irc daemons. A statically allocated user is needed only because of a bug in ircd, which SETUID()s itself to a given UID on startup.
kakobrekla: lolk
bounce: o_O what's the alternative, a dynamically allocated user?
z33andO_o: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2lhin9/onymous_mega_thread_upvote_for_visibility/ if anyone cares. It is not just SR2 and Hydra, (almost) all DarkNet markets are either down or showing a siezure message.
assbot: reddit.com: over 18?
kakobrekla: what's the alternative, ship gnu/linux with predefined users for all possible programs?
bounce: eg. freebsd packages will create users as needed
kakobrekla: thats not static :D
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/11/wsj-germany-export.pdf
asciilifeform: anyone know hfc-125 caloric capacity << lol! mircea_popescu is fermi-estimating miner cooling ?
mircea_popescu: yah making a "whitepaper"
asciilifeform: http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2014/operator-of-silk-road-2.0-website-charged-in-manhattan-federal-court << preeet!
assbot: FBI — Operator of Silk Road 2.0 Website Charged in Manhattan Federal Court
asciilifeform: ^ mr. bharara does not disappoint! grade-a roland freislerisms!
asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/NewYorkFBI << mega-loltron
assbot: FBI New York (@NewYorkFBI) on Twitter
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla ^
punkman: https://twitter.com/NewYorkFBI/status/527129761077014528
assbot: Congratulations to our colleagues /FBI for reaching 1M followers. /CIA, you have some work to do!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla thats not static :D << the alternative is actually something a la usb drive mess discussed a week ago or so
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have the bdb functions used across the bitcoind codebase, correct? <<< mmmmmmostly
asciilifeform: the bdbisms are soaked into just about all of it, though
punkman: is bdb used for anything other than the wallet?
asciilifeform: ah...
mircea_popescu: it's how the chain is stored/processed
asciilifeform: just read the damn thing.
asciilifeform: srsly, these questions.
bounce: "facebook user interface indistinguishable from facebook scams" -- and people keep on coming back
mircea_popescu: gotta support the team.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu so its ok to ship with 'ircd' user and not 'www-data' user
kakobrekla: O_o
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^
kakobrekla: that will never work cause always idiots who will eat all margin possible
mircea_popescu: yeah, to have what to buy swarowsky encrusted buttdongs with
kakobrekla: buncha mining ops went down cause 1. too slow 2. margins too small
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/#comment-109643
assbot: A humble proposal to Bitcoin miners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: answer't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/#comment-109647
assbot: A humble proposal to Bitcoin miners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bounce: ``in the last year or so, weve seen regulators such as the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) come out with guidelines. The challenge would be to not get over-regulated and kill innovation'' -- gavin. http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/11/06/bitcoin_remittance_unstable_currency_regulation/
assbot: Bitcoin is GREAT and SAFE, says, er, the Bitcoin Foundation • The Register
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/silk-road-2-0-seized-blake-benthall-arrested/
assbot: Silk Road 2.0 Seized, Blake Benthall Arrested | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/silk-road-2-0-seized-blake-benthall-arrested/
assbot: Silk Road 2.0 Seized, Blake Benthall Arrested | Qntra.net
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/silk-road-2-0-seized-blake-benthall-arrested/
mats_cd03: ^ lol
BingoBoingo wonders why they drag all of these motherfuckers to New York for charging
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'cause that's where roland freisler^H^H^H^Hbharara lives
BingoBoingo: Almost like he's the aspersor Fuher or something.
asciilifeform: !s freisler
assbot: 5 results for 'freisler' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=freisler
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we dislike your zeolite sf stories!
asciilifeform: l0l
thestringpuller: !up ilikebitbet
thestringpuller: !up darlidada
ilikebitbet: hi, mod from bitbet here ?
kakobrekla: you are a bitbet mod?
ilikebitbet: im looking for one
kakobrekla: speak up
ilikebitbet: i would love to see the expected winning amount in the confirmed bets list
ilikebitbet: maybe its possible for you guys :)
kakobrekla: hmm
kakobrekla: well id rather not write the current estimation that changes through time under 'btc out' column
kakobrekla: but i get where you are coming from
punkman: maybe I should make the calculator work on windows
mike_c: ilikebitbet: that's actually being added to the bitbet analyzer on btcalpha, so you could check back there in a week or two.
kakobrekla: ah yeah , ilikebitbet have you seen http://bitbet.us/faq/#410 - see 'alternative interfaces'
assbot: FAQ BitBet
ilikebitbet: kakobrekla, not seen, thank you :)
kakobrekla: its sad i have no place to write that on bb itself. totally user unfriendly.
mike_c: add it as a footnote
thestringpuller: ^- thought you were against footnotes :P
mike_c: i'm also against sarcasm.
kakobrekla: <mike_c> add it as a footnote < lucky i have an endless scroll
mike_c: oh.. that would be great trolling. footnotes at the bottom of an endless scroll :D
kakobrekla: :D
thestringpuller: !s buterin's waterfall
assbot: 15 results for 'buterin's waterfall' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=buterin%27s+waterfall
mike_c: buterin + bfl + sr2 + buttstamp..
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: regarding: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833679 << What's so bad about a little trappin? As the first commandment of the Book of Jeezy says, "Don't get caught"☝︎
thestringpuller: ;;ud trapping
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapping | Trapping is a form of dance explored by the inebriated. It involves the elevation of your forearms above your head trapping your face into an x formation while ...
thestringpuller: ;;ud trap star
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trap+star | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ...
rithm: the dope house or dope spot can be referred to as the trap or a trap
rithm: so drug dealing itself is ironically referred to as a trap
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: didja miss http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833687☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 16:50:25; asciilifeform: 90% of my living expenses are not even payable in paper money.
rithm: or maybe that isn't irony at all
thestringpuller: it's not irony. whenever you get to the trap spot it's life or death man.
thestringpuller: gotta stay prayed up
kakobrekla: !up ilikebitbet me too
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: so you can't use laundered money to pay expenses (i.e. mortgage?)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: aha. (rent, though, no mortgage, but right.)
thestringpuller: but it would seem dealing BTC is similar to drug dealing inside the US
kakobrekla: hm
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: point is, i could (if studied, hah) trade btc for benjies. but then what.
kakobrekla: all my expenses (the little that i have) are payable in paper money.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: light cigars with them?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://www.mintpressnews.com/how-to-launder-drug-money-start-an-llc-and-buy-real-estate/168778/
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: once you're on the radar, you're a walking corpse.
thestringpuller: you can always build yourself a prison like pablo escobar
xiando: thestringpuller: Several US states claim that you need a money transmitter license to buy or sell BTC worth more than $300/year, search and you will find several cases of people being arrested for doing so. :-/ (not a joke)
thestringpuller: and "pretend to do time"
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: can always build yourself << why not build a nuke sub, then. if you can.
thestringpuller: then you go from being asciilifeform the engineer, to asciilifeform the kingpin
thestringpuller: don asciilifeform
thestringpuller: xiando: the concerning issue for me is the US OTC market will become as dangerous as drug dealing. If you need a duffelbag full of cash to complete the transaction, then I'd be more worried about rival gang members.
asciilifeform: i'm not a concert violinist either. everyone sticks to what he at least vaguely knows.
asciilifeform: and somehow everyone carefully missed my explanation for why even a successful btc to benjies converter is useless to me in particular.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: well it may not be to say, Tito Lopez, or Tyrone who live in the hood.
asciilifeform: they - can solve own problem. more power to them.
thestringpuller: peculiar. we may find cartels moving into the US otc space if that is the case
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you could always move to "the hood" and live under the radar.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i 'could' under same logic become an internationally-renowned violinist. or olympic athlete. or wtf else.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in practice - i am what i am.
thestringpuller: I would pay for those tickets, and would support you!
thestringpuller: But alas, point taken. We are what we are.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: wanna chip in, chip in for my coffin, should i ever end up in a position where forced to attempt the above.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: as jay-z said, "Gave my life to the block, figured I get shot 'least I die on top"
thestringpuller: If the day ever comes where you want to switch professions from engineer to gangsta, I'm totally down to ride or die with you. Lets just hope it never comes to that ;)
asciilifeform: for some reason, no one ever says 'when you suddenly switch profession to surgeon, i wanna be the first fella you cut open!' etc.
asciilifeform: but really, same idea.
bounce: stick your fancy "research" paper in slideshare, so it's not really readable on screen and will only download on the very latest of browsers. share and enjoy!
mats_cd03: so thug
BingoBoingo: http://www.wired.com/2014/11/crypto-ipos/
asciilifeform: '...could affect promising Bitcoin 2.0 projects such as Ethereum, MaidSafe, and Counterparty.' << let rabid dogs breed, then shoot them. such victory.
bounce: you know, if the IRS says that virtual currencies aren't currencies, how can the SEC keep on claiming they are?
dub: hahah garret
dub: what a goddamn disgraceful display of inbreeding that face is
bounce: ``Other than Garrett Keirns, none of the companies that WIRED reached out to this week have received SEC letters. But some of them also also want to work with the SEC to make these technologies more widely available.'' -- this is going to carry a heavy price.
thestringpuller: dub: read your comment first then opened the page. hilarity ensued by great means. thank you for that.
dub: those TEETH
dub: all 7 of them
thestringpuller: Ugh Ethereum is so unnecessary.
asciilifeform: so very necessary. (to the enemy.)
thestringpuller: how they convinced the masses to contribute millions...i just will never understand
thestringpuller: we just have to wait for this all to explode before the go away like magicaltux?
The20YearIRCloud: Met w/ bank today, loan program(s) look good they're continuing to offer us
The20YearIRCloud: Enough cash it looks like to continue normal operation and keep buying properties
mike_c: how many properties have you collected by now?
The20YearIRCloud: 10
mike_c: quite the empire brewing.
The20YearIRCloud: Very happy with progress, want to get 2 more before end of year
thestringpuller: The20YearIRCloud what is average rent of tenant?
The20YearIRCloud: $645 or so
The20YearIRCloud: per unit. We have 10 properties, 15 units
thestringpuller: so these are apartments? duplexes? houses?
The20YearIRCloud: A mix of SFDs, duplexes, and multi-family
thestringpuller: paid for or is there loan?
The20YearIRCloud: no loans yet outside of LOC, we're starting to put loans on properties to buy more
thestringpuller: are the properties themselves part of the asset list?
The20YearIRCloud: All of em are
thestringpuller: ah. so in theory shareholders are also part homeowners? :P
The20YearIRCloud: Kind of the idea of the fund
The20YearIRCloud: At any rate, good progress. Especially when you consider the apprasials came within close margin of what i had them valued at, cementing the fact that we're making equity on each renovation we do. No equity cashout spiral problems to think of, bank is getting their LTV rate and we're making $15k per property in fanciable equity. So, I am getting the
The20YearIRCloud: proverbial cake and eating it too
jurov: http://www.afr.com/p/technology/richard_branson_calls_for_tougher_yZ8j2RE0t5e4xXMRbYMWWN
assbot: Richard Branson calls for tougher bitcoin rules
jurov: i'd try to submit to qntra but am out of wits
jurov: damn mailman
jurov: at least finally put ben_vulpes' email through
cazalla: fark, someone is doing a doxx on silkroad guy same time as i am, so my article is not a copy/pasta job
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/the-blake-benthall-complain-full-text/
assbot: The Blake Benthall Complain, full text | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/530488066868523011
assbot: The Blake Berthall Silk Road 2.0 Complaint, Fulltext /hashtag/deturdified?src=hash http://t.co/nHr1BRFFA7 /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lirbq/bernthall_complaint_full_plaintext_exhibits/
assbot: Bernthall Complaint Full Plaintext, Exhibits attached as images : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: <jurov> i'd try to submit to qntra but am out of wits << Story's already out so whenever your wits are ready do some editorial?
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/the-blake-benthall-complain-full-text/
jurov: Local Bitcoin exchanges such as Independent Reserve, which launched last month, depend on a stable ­regulatory environment to maintain legitimacy.
jurov: ^ how can i comment on such nonsense?
BingoBoingo: By calling it nonsense? But with wits?
jurov: maybe wehn i'll sleep on it
BingoBoingo: Cool.
cazalla: i just wanted to get this up now http://qntra.net/2014/11/who-is-blake-benthall-aka-defcon-aka-veteran/ it's a work in progress
assbot: Who Is Blake Benthall AKA Defcon AKA Veteran? | Qntra.net
jurov: An Old Fart Doing Everything To Support Bitcoin.. Except For Buying It.
asciilifeform: !s comrade ogilvy
assbot: 7 results for 'comrade ogilvy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=comrade+ogilvy
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/2lhe7j/lluvia_de_bitcoins_sobre_rargentina/ << mircea_popescu you can get free buttcoins!
assbot: Lluvia de bitcoins sobre /r/argentina : argentina
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/who-is-blake-benthall-aka-defcon-aka-veteran/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00068672 = 17.3053 BTC [-]
jurov: idea executor!
jurov: that would be good theme for oglaf
jurov: whole excerpt is hilarious
jurov: "i wont ramble here, have other stuff to do... to ramble on inkedin and twatter"
cazalla: this blake guy was reguarly active on github till sept 28th and then nothing
asciilifeform: this blake guy was reguarly active... << you meant to say 'an account by the name of xxx was active...'
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3X52SEG.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 2
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you're saying it was a set up?
asciilifeform: saying merely that usg loves 'crank bait'
asciilifeform: !s crank bait
assbot: 5 results for 'crank bait' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=crank+bait
asciilifeform: 'crank bait' is a deliberate (whether engineered or through sheer neglect) hole in an Official narrative, whose purpose is to do for doubters what a 'bug zapper light' does for insects.
thestringpuller: oh i see.
cazalla: asciilifeform, yes, that is what i mean :)
thestringpuller: "could you use it in a sentence" "asciilifeform: der wagen was decorated with a number of 'end the fed' stickers. apparently this is considered adequate crank bait."
thestringpuller: ^- there we go better than ;;ud
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if it were in 'ud'
asciilifeform: given that it is my own term.
BingoBoingo: ;;ud crank bait
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crankbait | crankbait. When screwing a man/woman doggy-style, you fish hook her mouth to one side so that she must look at you, then, you nut in her eye. Ohh, I just had to ...
cazalla: lol this guy worked at space x
asciilifeform: lol!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00068672 = 8.4467 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Crank bait also refers to a sort of fishing lure with parts that move in the water to increase the attention it commands of the fish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21352 @ 0.00068661 = 14.6605 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: jurov da fuck do they know.
mircea_popescu: punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/hhrGWZ1N
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punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 8 valid deeds for next bundle. (invalid: 1)
mircea_popescu: punkman shit how the f do i know which one ?
mircea_popescu: punkbot status
punkbot: mircea_popescu: 8 pending deeds | Last bundle 17 hours and 20 minutes ago