mircea_popescu: and something tells me this is going to be a bitch going forward.
mod6: and if both ben_vulpes and I sign that exact document with our keys, there is a tie back to the deed submitted by jurov
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mod6: the problem is here, that "[R.1] doesn't tie back to the specific Charter document
assbot: deeds signed by mircea_popescu
mod6: just jurov's submission to the deedbot
mod6: so there should be a R.1 secion to the submission to deedbot for the charter, and an R2 that ties back to his submission of the Treasurer's contract to the deedbot
punkman: mircea_popescu: might as well put the whole thing there (gotta fetch from db and decompress)
mircea_popescu: to keep it lighter. i suppose you could actually put the whole thing sure.
mod6: and as far as "[R.1]" it should probably encompass both of our signed submissions of the charter to deedbot
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mod6: (since we didn't submit them on the same bundle)
mod6: any errors in this thinking?
punkman: should I look into creating a utility that does the multisig hack?
punkman: or whatever can help such workflow
mircea_popescu: mod6 srsly, i wouldn't worry about it. it's there, it's signed.
mircea_popescu: anyone has doubts about the matter has also the means to verify it.
mod6: ok. just was hoping for distinct links.
mircea_popescu: the key to a functioning computer isn't that "everything is on your screen at the same time"
mod6: just was hoping for a daisy-chained document sigs in the public record
mircea_popescu: so you mean you want jurov's thing to reference the charter you two signed ?
mircea_popescu: this is trivially accomplished, just include the two links.
mod6: m6 & bv --sigs-> A & B signed charter ; treasurers sub-doc contains links to A & B to be signed by j & mod6 & bc
mircea_popescu: to be fair tho, i have a coupla other machines, so i suppose that counts as multiple anyway.
mircea_popescu: i've hammered this lcd thing into low emission tolerability, and well... kinda too lazy i guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'd reject a patch because it was submitted by a whore ?
mircea_popescu: i wish to see the camho that figures out how to submit fuck you to this thing.
mircea_popescu: but generally : trust-but-verify is the best model available.
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mircea_popescu: maybe it rhymes in russian because russian was so made so that good original sentences rhyme ?
ben_vulpes: i just got an email with an attachment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had it from patristics, and assumed it's greek. seems it's actually bona fide russian folklore.
punkman: "trust but verify" doesn't translate very well though
mircea_popescu: so apparently ask.fm is where all the cool kids are nao.
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mircea_popescu: "Which town did you grow up in? What's been the best commercial you've seen? What’s the best gift you have ever given someone, in your opinion? What position do you sleep in? Are you a very ambitious person? What is the worst gift you have ever received?" << of all the inept shit...
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mircea_popescu makes account, and for a minute contemplates stream of meaningless faces, and their literal outbursts. la nausee strikes.
mircea_popescu is at that precise moment enlightened : rather than interact with random people, he'd count sand.
ben_vulpes: i've been working out of a client's office on the 27th floor of this skyscraper downtown all week, and every time i walk outside i'm struck with gut-level desires to insulate myself from the people derping around outside the building.
mircea_popescu: this notion that "other people" exist is perhaps the most striking shared delusion humanity ever came up with. seriously, they do ? how ?
cazalla: so i butchered 6 rabbits this morning and a crow swooped and took a bunny head, imagine the poor kid that finds that in his backyard lol
mircea_popescu: worker falls asleep on the roadside, with loaded ass next to him. coupla bums decide to steal the goods
mircea_popescu: one of them comes up with a bright idea : takes bit off ass, puts over own head, while his fellow takes the ass and its load away.
mircea_popescu: worker awakens, finds a man instead of the ass. man explains that lo! he was cursed by his jealous lover woman, and his time as an ass just came to an end!
mircea_popescu: awestruck worker bids him enjoy his freedom and leaves.
mircea_popescu: coupla weeks later, worker runs into his ass at a fair. shimmies next to it and whispers
mircea_popescu: Most people stumble through life afraid to speak any of the words that they only know from their reading, fearful that they will make fools of themselves by mispronouncing them in public. <<< this was a fact in jerome k jerome's england, back when people knew your class based on your rp.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile your average usian has no problem speako spanisho, and wonders why the spanish speakero no understando.
mircea_popescu: o holy shit don't tell me he's of the "spoken as written" school of pararetardism
mircea_popescu: Take the word that sounds like “tu.” It is spelled in three different ways: “to,” “too,” and “two.” << if only these actually sounded even vaguely alike.
mircea_popescu: that he's an ignorant ass i know. but why is he such a twerp to not even bother do his motherfucking reading, quote the actual canonical examples on this topic ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's possible you don't hear them. some people don't distinguish some colors, red/green, yellow/blue, whatever. it does not follow paintings are bad or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the way this works is actually very similar to genetics. there's someting like 100ish vowels available to the human voice. these are all spaced equally apart, say 1 unit each.
mircea_popescu: if a language happens to use the 3rd and 9th a, then the speaker expects that 6 unit barrier.
mircea_popescu: when confronted with language using 5th 6th and 7th, he believes them to be "the same". this is not actually the case.
mircea_popescu: there is a very slight difference between the length of the vowel in to and too, which length allows the latter to round closer to a plain u
mircea_popescu: consider that the u in food is properly uː whereas the u in good is properly ʊ. these are in fact quite distinct, for most people , with some training.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no argument that english is, under the pressure of its colonialism, dieing a chinese death. so the argument is widely moot.,
mircea_popescu: mandarin was never specced, because, well... the speech is the spec.
mircea_popescu: The “g” in “beige” is the same consonant sound as the “s” in “Asia” and “z” in “azure.” << god help us.
mircea_popescu: And the kids are supposed to be able to make sense of this? At what point are children allowed to learn a set of symbols that unambiguously represent the speech sounds of English? << <this idea that if kids had it easier the world would be better is not unlike the idea that if the government spent more money the economy would work well.
mircea_popescu: holy fuckingshit, fifty years of making it progressively easier for kids were enough to squander 500 years worth of accumulated advantages, to the point even the fucking indians can now compete with american kids.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you seen mathematical notation recently ?
mircea_popescu: note that he's not proposing to get rid of the training weights to replace them with actual anythings.
mircea_popescu: any mathematical symbol is defined within its context and there only.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform also remembers that he forgot to eat. << And you're the one worried about everyone else's starvation!
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BingoBoingo: This is a point. Seriously why would people have a fat wall of mining hardware and no halon?
ben_vulpes: i suppose mining really is so low margin these days that even the antifire stuff ruins profitability.
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BingoBoingo: Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in emails do you prefer Stan or Stanislav?
ben_vulpes: check your 'spam' folder - jurov's not done anything with dkim
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ben_vulpes: a foundational question: do bounties work?
kakobrekla: btw you can do subcategories there as well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to sum it : there already exists a phonetic notation, and has, for a century. it has the advantage that it works in all languages, and it is also fine enough for absolutely any conceivable use, with its extensions.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, there are numerous attempts by various poetterings to create a "better language" because maybe that way their mother will not have been a crackwhore anymore.
mircea_popescu: the most notable example is that polari gypsy lingo thing, which is notable for how shitty it is.
BingoBoingo: Ah, Yeah, it's a pain. Latin alphabet works one way, Anglophones have retarded vowel shift, the irrelevance of Chinese supposes azns should look to Castellano as a lingua franca for dealing with white people.
mircea_popescu: what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wonders why the setup wasn't under permanent inert gas to begin with << margins.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ? << If by like perl you mean the runtime doesn't suck, then maybe?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits <<< if you're going to fill with gas, fill with technological gas.
decimation: supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language
BingoBoingo: Well, I mean the mines flood themselves with it
BingoBoingo: <decimation> supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language << Actually this is indeed a thing.
BingoBoingo has seen on several occasion musical scores in not Amerglish which had the target language only in IPA
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: a foundational question: do bounties work? << they work best when large audience, small rewards.
mircea_popescu: decimation the thing with ipa is that it roughly works like a modular pluggable thing.
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mircea_popescu: how does one use a wiki ? specifically, i wish to add an answer to "what is the desired behavior here?"
decimation: well, chinese solves this with a little gui tool
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: so in your opinion bounties for biggies like "wedged 0.5.3" aren't going to produce much?
decimation: wrt english pidgin < This already happens, ever been to hawaii?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes let's consider the general point. a) elvis at the hight of his popularity offers a beer to anyone that runs a mile in five minutes ; b) totally unknown autistic otaku offers a million internet funbutts to anyone that runs a mile.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform speaks as a formerly very regular 'in anger' user of ipa << IPA is the java of the linguistics world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point is merely that if a space already has a bad solution, implementing a bad solution by nobody is stupid.
mircea_popescu: i read enough to know the person is not only never going to produce a good solution, but is actually ignorant enough to not even realise what the difference may be, and on top of that impudent enough to imagine this not to be so.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: bounties << my unwedging << first i'd have to invent the universe
mircea_popescu: impudent, incidentally, is an interesting word. it comes, of course, from pudenda, and it connotes shamelessness, immodesty.
mircea_popescu: somehow contemporary retardation has retained ball-less-ness
mircea_popescu: but cunt-less-ness is lost, and then people wonder why women feel unequal.
decimation: it seems to me that sqllite might make a reasonable stand-in for bdb
mircea_popescu: iirc this was considered and rejected for good reasons in array.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not averse to it at all but i can't even tell what's bdb and what's other things.
ben_vulpes: i mean i don't even understand how CRITICAL_BLOCKs are implemented yet
decimation: asciilifeform: I didn't realize that the soviet army was a 'volunteer' organization
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the final phase of dissolution is when the best predictor for electoral failure is being the incumbent.
mircea_popescu: it simply means the "voters" scum expect on average more out of the forcing of the public treasury than on the maximum the public treasury may contain
BingoBoingo: In Illinois, Pat Quinn's greatest failing was being an "honest Democrat"
BingoBoingo: To trim the budget he cut the wrong bezzels. Also broke the rule in Illinois that Governor must be Unrepentant criminal, he was repentant
decimation: I predict that now the republicans have won they will quickly give away the farm on immigration, taxes, more welfare, etc
decimation: I predict that the number of H1b visas will at least triple
BingoBoingo: Well, that's how one keeps elected office generally
thestringpuller: some companies hire H1B applicants over citizens/residents.
mircea_popescu: well, obviously depends what your goals are, but if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality is among them then an open system will alway sbeat any closed one.
mircea_popescu: in short, you're better off living in a country of immigrants than in a coutnry of citizens.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, it boggles that this orlov fellow has somehow managed to get all the us diseases. srsly, an amateur is going to joseph smith his way into a better way to read ? and pushes this on random kids ?
mircea_popescu: i think you miss my meaning. " if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality"
mircea_popescu: i don't happen to care that usians believe sucking cock is not something to be good at
decimation: the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials
mircea_popescu: decimation not so. the chinese guy in his example was well skilled
mircea_popescu: just, at a skill the puritanical state refuses to name. "slavery" say.
decimation: they refuse to say it, but tacitly allow it
BingoBoingo: <decimation> the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials << Difference is Usians with phony credentials tend to get along better at work parties
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a slave is a slave. the responsibility for his actions is his master's.
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mircea_popescu: imagine this. romanian rural population, making ~2-3k a year, thinks themselves better.
decimation: they hold gym class on the mall as I recall
gernika: I like the h1b worker as slave idea. Everything makes so much more sense now.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the locals are haetful. because he outworks them. << Generally the way this work in US is eventually Indian family produces doctor in US, they use their surplus to bringing in hardworking family members willing to put all effort into running fuelstation/convenience stores, shopkeep cousins succeed, finance next generation of doctors, pale natives bitch that people were willing to work at shopkeeping
gernika: Silicon valley companies are full of h1b slaves
BingoBoingo: <gernika> Silicon valley companies are full of h1b slaves << You have to realize the h1b thing is USia's last defense against the doctor, retailer, doctor pipeline
decimation: BingoBoingo: the question is - do their children have the same work ethic/.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> BingoBoingo: the question is - do their children have the same work ethic/. << For a generation at least, but there's always more people with a work ethic who can sustain the system.
gernika: What makes a slave happy? Certainly not freedom.
BingoBoingo: And I'm not talking about the Urban tradition of Arab shops, I'm talking about motherfucking Circle K, king of the Midwestern convenience market
BingoBoingo: gernika> What makes a slave happy? Certainly not freedom. << Goal oriented activity
gernika: Yes. Everything and anything for the goal.
decimation: BingoBoingo: the real thing that enables this are "family relocation" visas
gernika: The goal doesn't have to be meaningful. It just has to be achieved.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Only on paper, the real power is there are always poor kids in India with dreams and a work ethic
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BingoBoingo: Dig into actual records, google will be of little help
gernika: BingoBoingo You have to realize the h1b thing is USia's last defense against the doctor, retailer, doctor pipeline << even doctors and lawyers are slaves in the US now, due to student loan debt.
BingoBoingo: ^ Depends on specialty. My brother who cam from the same poor ass lineage i did is now in Dentistry with his SJW wife and adorable dog
decimation: well, there's little doubt in my mind that the reason h1b visas are 'tech' targeted is because engineers have the least political pull in the us
decimation: I'm sure the doctors, lawyers, etc would be more than happy to ensure that poor indian kids learn computers and not us law
BingoBoingo: That is why stan doesn't atm have a ranch and to bitches trained in rifle-fu
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I'm sure the doctors, lawyers, etc would be more than happy to ensure that poor indian kids learn computers and not us law << Of course, even with the obamacare bezzel established families in medicine have a strong advantage
BingoBoingo: The difference between Internal medicine and dermatology is about 300k/year
cazalla: the indians come to australia on a 457 visa to work at places like mcdonalds
BingoBoingo: Networking, priveledge, reciptority, these are old mechanics. There were Roman Charioteers who earned more from sport than A-Rod could imagine
decimation: I thought australia had very strict immigration rules
cazalla: and i was not much a fan of them until i lived with one indian guy and he made the best hainanese chicken so all is forgiven
cazalla: decimation, yeah, if you try to come by boat but come by plane and it's easy
decimation: I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country << Twas inevitable. Blame the WASPs
cazalla: australians really hate boat people which is amusing given so many of us actually came by boat, my parents included, 50-60 years back, it's like they don't want to be reminded
decimation: what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude)
BingoBoingo: <decimation> what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude) << Because the previous generation used their surplus income to establish petit dynasties
cazalla: decimation, nah germans, red cross helped my fathers family get out here
decimation: I've heard that there is quite a large number of germans in australia
cazalla: well, his family being his parents at the time and not me obviously
decimation: cazalla: were they fleeing the post-wwii misery of germany?
cazalla: i dunno full story tbh, opa was in the wehrmacht and we have photos of him as an officer but my father reckons he wasn't an officer despite the photos and shit
decimation: most folks today never learn about the complete Apocalypse that faced german people after wwii
gernika: decimation any good sources to read about it? Seen some german movies about the immediate post ware period.
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assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 04:50:50; asciilifeform: there were fully-functional german hamlets in, even, kazakhstan
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 04:55:38; asciilifeform: what the anglos did to germany, will be remembered as -the- 20th c. crime.
gernika: interesting - the movie I saw was more about what the russians did to germany after the war. Wrt anglos are we talking firebombing?
gernika: I would not be surprised at the gap in my knowledge given my public education.
BingoBoingo: Anglos Firebommed and scared defectors with the "Russian threat", Russians at the time offered "Stalin"
decimation: gernika: I guess I was more referring to the intentional policies of starvation and mass population displacement
decimation: after the war was over, but yeah firebombing counts too. Of course the source for that is "slaughterhouse five"
decimation: but also after the first world war, when the same population was starved and forced into debt slavery
supay: thanks BingoBoingo!
supay: i was wondering if the bitcoin price will really rise again..
supay: and what the reasons might be for the drop
supay: doing a small presentation about bitcoins for my 'technical seminar' at school! :)
BingoBoingo: <supay> and what the reasons might be for the drop << Buterin's waterfall
supay: okay, that seems understandable.
supay: what do you guys think about the speculations? that 1btc will value anywhere between $10k to $40k or even more by the end of this year?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I'm working on a summary, if you can beat e to it submit it for publiccation
BingoBoingo: <supay> what do you guys think about the speculations? that 1btc will value anywhere between $10k to $40k or even more by the end of this year? << This year questionable, Next year possible, but work on your knife fighting skills
supay: haha, im only here to get your opinions and possible explanations for the same.. i dont have the know how to write a paper etc
supay: oh, okay.. thats seems sad considering a lot of people were expecting it to jump up all of a sudden..
supay: the logs you linked me to have a mention of how the FBI seize of the SikRoad BTC might be a cause.. i've heard a lot of people saying the same, would that be nearly true?
BingoBoingo: In Bitcoin you have to realize the thing shortly went from soft adversaries (Trendon Shavers) to hard adversaries (Obola and Ebama) very quickly
BingoBoingo: supay: Probably is in part, but not entirely
supay: Obolo and Ebama, rofl
BingoBoingo: Seriously BTC is a hard business this year. Jurov is surviving, barely, on 10 customers
supay: there was another mention of a reason for the price drop - a lot of companies now accepting bitcoins. but how does that work?
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BingoBoingo: People with Bitcoin pay Overstock.com for schlock and Overstock sells the BTC automagically, feeding Buterin's waterfall
supay: interesting.. will have to go through that as well
gernika: So Buterin's Waterfall works like this: Buterin announces scam coin sale. Chumps give him btc, bringing down the price of BTC which he then sells for fiat. Weak hands then sell btc for fiat on the market out of fear. Correct?
gernika: If that is correct, how does the cycle repeat? Or does it?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: likbez takes time unless a less ruminant thinker than myself writes likbez... (hint)
gernika: So post WWI reparations imposed on germany was the teasing?
BingoBoingo: Maybe germans imposed on Germany the teasing, or the Austro-Hungarians.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, the colonies (as mircea_popescu helpfully points out) never really grew into their father's shoes. << They played, the Great White fleet was a thing for a few months in Siam
thestringpuller: I don't know what fails to be honest. HDD failure on XBox though isn't fatal failure.
thestringpuller: just that red ring. the general "This xbox is fucked, don't bother repairing"
thestringpuller: that is what I suspect. that these newer consoles have higher tendency to overheat and kill themselves
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and the ubiquitous and pestilential bga (ball grid array) deballings. << red ring usually this
thestringpuller: yet my SNES has stayed on 6 days, gotten much abuse, yet still runs like the day I opened it
ninjashogun: Hi. I was informed some people from here were talkiing shit about me? I don't have any interaction with this channel (and haven't for months) - if you have any specific complaints (or areas for room for improvement in the future) you can tell me. My reading is that this is a very low-signal troll community. (For example, cazalla's rating of my on WoT is after he gave me an Australian police department's number, not his own. Asciil
ninjashogun: ifeform and bingoboingo rated me as "us government" after I contributed 3 days of work via email, which they were free to ignore.)
ninjashogun: so let's discuss what your objections are if you have some.
ninjashogun: I am not coming by here anymore and otherwise have nothing to say. I hvae no comment on your community.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: You contibuted failing work on a simple paper about spinoza
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - if you think that work is failing (though you aborted the draft early, but it literally included a dependency graphy exactly as you requested) then you're entitled to it. At least I did it as you requested.
thestringpuller: well you make good point. N64 almost doubled in value recently
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: You point to a machine generated graph you submitted as right, but which was wrong
ninjashogun: It wasn't machine generated. I made it by hand in a word processor.
thestringpuller: i guess i'm a baby. i don't remember a time when that didn't exist.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and playing on tv set (esp. ntsc crt) sucks. << NTSC was the worst
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> that big ass square that's flat? << Great monitor
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ninjashogun: Okay, BingoBoingo, I accept that I am to treat you as drunk 100% of the time. In fact I will extend the same courtesy to anyone else here who acts like they need it.
ninjashogun: anyway other than if you guys talk shit about me I don't hang out here anymore. (as you might have noticed.)
ninjashogun: I am only interested in building real-world businesses with real income streams, not taking bitcoin investments for something and running off iwth it. (Not referencing anyone here, this was a recent case with Moolah, for example. Or at least accusation.)
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: But you jsut addressed me. Trustrapist!!! Stranger Danger!!!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wasn't flat. (until the very last incarnations.) cylindric. << Flat square one was nice.
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BingoBoingo: Or am I the only person who finds fish tastiest straight out of the water
cazalla: ninjashogun> Okay, BingoBoingo, I accept that I am to treat you as drunk 100% of the time. <<< don't forget me!
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You swore "no drink" november, beer isn't drink
cazalla: i didn't even last a day, or another day after that
cazalla: and the OCD means i cannot try again until Dec 1st
aspho: thx, great work with the new real foundation btw
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punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01438 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 130 more bundles.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16521 @ 0.00074613 = 12.3268 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9759 @ 0.00074163 = 7.2376 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00074123 = 12.4527 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol so pankkake got butthurt because we don't like systemd, decided bitcoin "wouldn't have worked anyway" ? that's some pretty good fatlogic right there.
bounce: where'd that come from?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo:. << Generally the way this work in US [...] << yup, exactly that.
mircea_popescu: decimation: well, there's little doubt in my mind that the reason h1b visas are 'tech' targeted is because engineers have the least political pull in the us <<< they happen to be the only people who have an actual something to do, and so aren't quite as motivated to politics by the gnawing existential void that pushes the paper pushers.
jurov: sigh...you yanks and canucks insist to test only when i am afk
jurov: is there anyone around who can test btc-dev mailing list around CET working time?
jurov: just check if it works with various email clients
jurov: if you send signed message as described, ti should appear even without registration
jurov: i just found bug that has bit ben_vulpes, he was the first one who sent message from email actually matching his gpg pubkey :)
jurov: i did not understood mailman code
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00072752 = 19.6067 BTC [-]
punkman: jurov, I just sent a mail to the list
assbot: PC cooling specialist Zalman goes bankrupt due to fraud | Chips | Geek.com
bounce rummages in the pockets for some spare change to snap this thing up without the loans
jurov: still not going through... brb later
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can't maintain intellectual dominance without political dominance, you can't maintain political dominance without social hierarchy. the us decided to scrap hierarchy. of fucking course it can no longer have intelligent people working in its workshops, whatever they may be.
mircea_popescu: because france had a king and italy did not, it was able to import glassworks from france (and silk from china) and become a major producer, running it out of the market.
mircea_popescu: back when shooting artillery upon the strikers was the publicly acceptable approach, ford and carnegie could dominate whole industries, and build the capital that's still to this day supporting us spending, that "full faith and credit".
mircea_popescu: once that was no longer the approach, the us was no longer noteworthy.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah. destructuring society -> deskilling economy.
mircea_popescu: has entirely nothing to do with technology, as tardpedia emptily claims.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the bulk of they shipped in are "luxury workers", which is to say cocksuckers.
mircea_popescu: seaworthy vessels work at going places ; sinking vessels work at staying afloat.
mircea_popescu: my proposition is that this is entirely besides the point.
mircea_popescu: suppose out of a hundred people, ninety-seven don't matter. ever. irrespective of any consideration, if god strikes them down tomorrow nothing happens.
mircea_popescu: allowing this as a fact : that at point A the three that mattered used thirty others to dance the ramma-butta, whereas at point B the three that mattered simply stayed indoors and piled items on top of other items is not what's relevant.
mircea_popescu: whether at point A the three were motivated to work and at point B they were not is the clou of the matter.
bounce: quite a few rilly smrt people populating silly valley. they produce things like... "social networks" and many many cookie-cutter technology companies. it doesn't seem that h1b folks, no matter how smart or many, can hope to seriously dent that dominion
mircea_popescu: and so : technology has nothing to do with it. if the technology is "have 10 people do dances" or if the technology is "stay indoors and pile things"
mircea_popescu: what matters is : are you going to do it or aren't you.
mircea_popescu: to better understand this, consider doped uranium. some doped uranium is shaped in pellets, other doped uranium is shaped in bars. the only thing that actually matters is whether the uranium is doped with radioactive material or not.
bounce: druuuugs are baaaad, hmkay
bounce: we're talking about upping the u238 content, wasn't it?
mircea_popescu: neither. for the purpose of the above, "doped uranium" = natural uranium ore. inert uranium with traces of radioactive uranium.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and in the sense that all uranium decays, all people are people and matter.
bounce: 4.4e9 years for u238, 7e8 for u235
bounce: meaning that it's all new by now.
mircea_popescu: to try and heal this utterly scattered conversation : if you properly ignore most of society, the whole shebang depends on keeping the few that matter huming. if they hum too slow it cools and dies entirely. if they hum too fast it explodes, and you get a golden age.
mircea_popescu: in any case, whatever they need they get, and that means you'll issue hb1 visas to obedient indians if those are the only obedient people to be found.
mircea_popescu: harkens back to the entire "how come 300 milion usians living in the best world ever don't produce about 500 renoirs a year ?"
bounce: that's an easy one to shoot down. if they need that they're no good themselves and you need better people who matter no matter what.
mircea_popescu: exactly how a plate of uranium glass may glow under uv light, but won't warm anything much.
bounce: leaders that can't lead lead to nowhere. if you can't anything but the meekest you're no good as a leader.
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mircea_popescu: let's not confuse things. leaders are leaders, adonis-18
bounce: it still stinks of running entirely on chumps, so all we got is a chumpatron. how does that matter?
bounce: I think we started out trying for find some sort of raison d'etre for a steady stream of h1b-grantees, didn't we?
mircea_popescu: i have a computer here, it runs this irc session. right next to it, i have a wooden box. it is ALSO MADE OF MOLECULES. it runs nothing. they form a society of the items in my house. they're all molecules. i wouldn't fucking notice if the entire fucking wooden box went away.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help me if someone took away a single germanium atom.
mircea_popescu: so now : all these run entirely on quantum mechanics. the box and the cpu. this is directly equivalent to saying "stinks of running entirely on chumps, chumpatron". so ?
mircea_popescu: "if you stab him, does he not bleed" === "all molecules run on qm"
bounce: inasmuch that a random motor block conducts electricity. sure, but that's not really the point of it being shaped like a motor.
mircea_popescu: the proposition that "all things that are carry purpose equally so" is fallacious, and for that matter gnoseosocialism!
punkman: the ssh integration seems nice, but can be hacked together on earlier version I think
punkman: " The file "secring.gpg" is not anymore used to store the secretkeys." << so where did they put them?
bounce: shattered argument is shattered. also, brb gotta hug a tree.
bounce: the cloud maybe? (see new --extra-safe-honest flag)
punkman: "Creation of X.509 certificates has been improved. It is now also possible to export them directly in PKCS#8 and PEM format for use on TLS servers." << anyone here tried to generate ssl certs with GPG yet?
bounce: that'd be single-atom germanium 'tors. those wily soviets, keeping it secret all this time!
mircea_popescu: punkbot asciilifeform stop you two. we are NOT reimplementing gpg before bitcoind is done.
bounce generated a gpg key with openssl once. because gpg won't generate dsa keys != 1024 bits
bounce: oh, so no matter what you do gpg now auto-starts an agent.
mircea_popescu: bounce you understand this serves no practical purpose yes ?
bounce: er, AIUI it ought to work just fine most of the time, but I did it more to see if I could do it than anything else.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8606 @ 0.00072923 = 6.2758 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: for one thing, dsa/elgamal uses dsa key for signing not encryption. for the other, the symmetric block cypher is not so very large anyway/
assbot: CiteSeerX — Generating ElGamal signatures without knowing the secret key
bounce: even with the shorter key the symmetric cipher is thought to be stronger than the asymmetric cipher
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bounce anyway, i don't think we've really managed to talk of the same thing, so i guess this entire quesiton will come back in teh futures.
bounce: multiple times possibly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the thinkers : i'm pretty sure the symmetric cypher is currently the weakest link in our entire crypto stack.
mircea_popescu: which is why its replacement figured majorily in the prev discussion of bringing pgp implementation up to snuff
bounce: what're your indications for this?
bounce: oh. because socialism. right.
bounce: the gn00 guys also socialist. poettering not so much, though. why u no liek systemd?
bounce: the section between r and t in my dictionary
bounce: only because that other guy's name doesn't. doesn't make for a winning argument though.
bounce: now how do I say "seelance, I keel yoo" in soviet russian?
bounce: not last I checked. my name doesn't start with an s either.
bounce: not that I recall. how so?
bounce: The Muppet Show: Sex and Violence (pilot)
bounce: ah, this pop culture thing. too newfangled for me, I'm afraid.
z33andO_o: I do not see this mentioned here, honeypot Silk Road 2 finally taken down by the FBI. No effect on dark net markets since it's market share was dvindling but it does mean the US government has managed to steal more BTC
assbot: Operator of Silk Road 2.0, Blake Benthall, arrested yesterday by FBI agents in San Francisco, CA
punkman: how much did they take now?
z33andO_o: We will just have to wait for some "news outlets" to tell us how much was in SR2 escrow at the time and how much this Benthall had personally (if they managed to steal his personal coins)
z33andO_o: As I understand it they got the SR1 wallet by recovering a deleted unencrypted version of it, who knows if he learnt from that
z33andO_o: Interesting: It is not just SR2, this is a coodinated. I took a brief look at the other darknet markets
mircea_popescu: z33andO_o you have to appreciate, wallets were originally unencrypted. but this was remedied many years ago, and before this thing got started.
bounce: LD50 of > 700k ppm at least.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00070232 = 7.7255 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have the bdb functions used across the bitcoind codebase, correct?
kakobrekla: >irc: Used by irc daemons. A statically allocated user is needed only because of a bug in ircd, which SETUID()s itself to a given UID on startup.
bounce: o_O what's the alternative, a dynamically allocated user?
kakobrekla: what's the alternative, ship gnu/linux with predefined users for all possible programs?
bounce: eg. freebsd packages will create users as needed
assbot: FBI — Operator of Silk Road 2.0 Website Charged in Manhattan Federal Court
assbot: FBI New York (@NewYorkFBI) on Twitter
assbot: Congratulations to our colleagues /FBI for reaching 1M followers. /CIA, you have some work to do!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla thats not static :D << the alternative is actually something a la usb drive mess discussed a week ago or so
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have the bdb functions used across the bitcoind codebase, correct? <<< mmmmmmostly
punkman: is bdb used for anything other than the wallet?
bounce: "facebook user interface indistinguishable from facebook scams" -- and people keep on coming back
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu so its ok to ship with 'ircd' user and not 'www-data' user
kakobrekla: that will never work cause always idiots who will eat all margin possible
mircea_popescu: yeah, to have what to buy swarowsky encrusted buttdongs with
kakobrekla: buncha mining ops went down cause 1. too slow 2. margins too small
assbot: A humble proposal to Bitcoin miners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: A humble proposal to Bitcoin miners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Bitcoin is GREAT and SAFE, says, er, the Bitcoin Foundation • The Register
assbot: Silk Road 2.0 Seized, Blake Benthall Arrested | Qntra.net
assbot: Silk Road 2.0 Seized, Blake Benthall Arrested | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo wonders why they drag all of these motherfuckers to New York for charging
BingoBoingo: Almost like he's the aspersor Fuher or something.
ilikebitbet: i would love to see the expected winning amount in the confirmed bets list
kakobrekla: well id rather not write the current estimation that changes through time under 'btc out' column
punkman: maybe I should make the calculator work on windows
mike_c: ilikebitbet: that's actually being added to the bitbet analyzer on btcalpha, so you could check back there in a week or two.
kakobrekla: its sad i have no place to write that on bb itself. totally user unfriendly.
mike_c: i'm also against sarcasm.
kakobrekla: <mike_c> add it as a footnote < lucky i have an endless scroll
mike_c: oh.. that would be great trolling. footnotes at the bottom of an endless scroll :D
mike_c: buterin + bfl + sr2 + buttstamp..
rithm: the dope house or dope spot can be referred to as the trap or a trap
rithm: so drug dealing itself is ironically referred to as a trap
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 16:50:25; asciilifeform: 90% of my living expenses are not even payable in paper money.
rithm: or maybe that isn't irony at all
thestringpuller: it's not irony. whenever you get to the trap spot it's life or death man.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: so you can't use laundered money to pay expenses (i.e. mortgage?)
thestringpuller: but it would seem dealing BTC is similar to drug dealing inside the US
kakobrekla: all my expenses (the little that i have) are payable in paper money.
xiando: thestringpuller: Several US states claim that you need a money transmitter license to buy or sell BTC worth more than $300/year, search and you will find several cases of people being arrested for doing so. :-/ (not a joke)
thestringpuller: then you go from being asciilifeform the engineer, to asciilifeform the kingpin
thestringpuller: xiando: the concerning issue for me is the US OTC market will become as dangerous as drug dealing. If you need a duffelbag full of cash to complete the transaction, then I'd be more worried about rival gang members.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: well it may not be to say, Tito Lopez, or Tyrone who live in the hood.
thestringpuller: peculiar. we may find cartels moving into the US otc space if that is the case
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you could always move to "the hood" and live under the radar.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: as jay-z said, "Gave my life to the block, figured I get shot 'least I die on top"
thestringpuller: If the day ever comes where you want to switch professions from engineer to gangsta, I'm totally down to ride or die with you. Lets just hope it never comes to that ;)
bounce: stick your fancy "research" paper in slideshare, so it's not really readable on screen and will only download on the very latest of browsers. share and enjoy!
bounce: you know, if the IRS says that virtual currencies aren't currencies, how can the SEC keep on claiming they are?
dub: what a goddamn disgraceful display of inbreeding that face is
bounce: ``Other than Garrett Keirns, none of the companies that WIRED reached out to this week have received SEC letters. But some of them also also want to work with the SEC to make these technologies more widely available.'' -- this is going to carry a heavy price.
thestringpuller: dub: read your comment first then opened the page. hilarity ensued by great means. thank you for that.
thestringpuller: how they convinced the masses to contribute millions...i just will never understand
thestringpuller: we just have to wait for this all to explode before the go away like magicaltux?
The20YearIRCloud: Met w/ bank today, loan program(s) look good they're continuing to offer us
The20YearIRCloud: Enough cash it looks like to continue normal operation and keep buying properties
mike_c: how many properties have you collected by now?
mike_c: quite the empire brewing.
The20YearIRCloud: Very happy with progress, want to get 2 more before end of year
The20YearIRCloud: no loans yet outside of LOC, we're starting to put loans on properties to buy more
thestringpuller: ah. so in theory shareholders are also part homeowners? :P
The20YearIRCloud: At any rate, good progress. Especially when you consider the apprasials came within close margin of what i had them valued at, cementing the fact that we're making equity on each renovation we do. No equity cashout spiral problems to think of, bank is getting their LTV rate and we're making $15k per property in fanciable equity. So, I am getting the
assbot: Richard Branson calls for tougher bitcoin rules
jurov: i'd try to submit to qntra but am out of wits
jurov: at least finally put ben_vulpes' email through
cazalla: fark, someone is doing a doxx on silkroad guy same time as i am, so my article is not a copy/pasta job
assbot: The Blake Benthall Complain, full text | Qntra.net
assbot: Bernthall Complaint Full Plaintext, Exhibits attached as images : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: <jurov> i'd try to submit to qntra but am out of wits << Story's already out so whenever your wits are ready do some editorial?
jurov: Local Bitcoin exchanges such as Independent Reserve, which launched last month, depend on a stable regulatory environment to maintain legitimacy.
jurov: ^ how can i comment on such nonsense?
jurov: maybe wehn i'll sleep on it
assbot: Who Is Blake Benthall AKA Defcon AKA Veteran? | Qntra.net
jurov: An Old Fart Doing Everything To Support Bitcoin.. Except For Buying It.
assbot: Lluvia de bitcoins sobre /r/argentina : argentina
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00068672 = 17.3053 BTC [-]
jurov: that would be good theme for oglaf
jurov: whole excerpt is hilarious
jurov: "i wont ramble here, have other stuff to do... to ramble on inkedin and twatter"
cazalla: this blake guy was reguarly active on github till sept 28th and then nothing
cazalla: asciilifeform, yes, that is what i mean :)
thestringpuller: "could you use it in a sentence" "asciilifeform: der wagen was decorated with a number of 'end the fed' stickers. apparently this is considered adequate crank bait."
cazalla: lol this guy worked at space x
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00068672 = 8.4467 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Crank bait also refers to a sort of fishing lure with parts that move in the water to increase the attention it commands of the fish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21352 @ 0.00068661 = 14.6605 BTC [-] {2}
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