shinohai: That's all the altcoin world is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2854 @ 0.00051408 = 1.4672 BTC [-] {3}
phf: i mostly need to make sure my developers get the right idea
phf: your merge request is probably poor, and i will get mad
ben_vulpes: hey phf how much of bitcoind have you implemented in common lisp yet?
phf: ben_vulpes: since last time i only added blkindex.dat reader
shinohai: I would have thought he would already have been waaaaaaaaaaay away
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0005358 = 11.734 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: i guess they served him with a stay put order a year ago
phf: ben_vulpes: your discussion with trinque is apropos. naggum had a technique described in one of his emails, where he would load/unload clos objects' data transparently on demand. i want to experiment with that as far as block index
alpalp: Just seen some good conversations
alpalp: Think I saw something with loltwobitidiot today on twitter where someone destroyed him in here
ben_vulpes: phf: we're drinking and talking about how to persist data appropriately in cl proggies as we speak
alpalp: i have been drinking as well
mircea_popescu: alpalp i don't think b-a was ever too impressed with the guy.
alpalp: Nope, he had some inside leak on gox and besides that been lol
alpalp: Met him last year, def does not get it.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to what superficial students of history may surmise, i did mean the background ones)
mircea_popescu: course earlier today was like the 4th restatement, and i am not known for improved expression over time.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 17:27:00; mircea_popescu: ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x.
mircea_popescu: im too lazy to dig through the logs. but yes, your thing's the winner.
mircea_popescu: (original design was to simply shutter all connecting peers that fail to provide good $$$ txn, in some sort of %)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: moreover, random is what spwaned forth the incredible complexity of life.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and not fucking all comers costs the female, too.
mircea_popescu: i think this is one of those situation where suboptimal wins. let us "lose", i'll take the loss.
mircea_popescu: well what i was thinking was the converse (shuttering those who fail to provide acceptable txn, in sufficient proportion)
mircea_popescu: it leads to the following game theoretical situation : want your node to be well connected ? simply tell IT your decent fee paying txn.
mircea_popescu: because, as they say in omaha, "you're smart and i'm right, you'll figure it out"
mircea_popescu: us maniacs are really all that matters, in the grander scheme of things.
mircea_popescu: suppose we're in the park. "throw the crumbs over there" "but the birds won't see them" "doesn't matter, we're the only things that matter here" "but we don't cluck"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for instance : i will be putting all my txn out through my own nodes, once this exists.
mircea_popescu: im currently about 1/3 the reason bitpay even stays in business, fwiw (not much).
mircea_popescu: heck, last month i was a good chunk of coinbase too, because of that buysellads failed experiment.
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mircea_popescu: in any case : reasonable bw, fee paying no bs txn is a very hard to beat prop, ev wise.
mircea_popescu: in fact it may actually be more productive for nearby miner to mine based off our nodes than the stupid shit the chinese do currenty
mircea_popescu: it's no emergency really, if its in by the next halving it's soon enough.
mircea_popescu: they should have gasenwagen'd you when they had the chance, eh ?
mircea_popescu: for they ion the know : i got a pile of specialty chocolates here, and i will win the fight!
hanbot wonders if asciilifeform has also secretly already written the match trick solution
cazalla: nope, i think that is like 15k maybe
cazalla: but considering ddos and my return to full time employment, not a bad month
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2938 @ 0.00110999 = 3.2612 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: qntra's my preferred news source, point blank.
trinque: refreshing break from the endless horse-shit elsewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00053791 = 12.3181 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I'm at 367850 but apparently there is a 367857 floating around somewhere?
gribble: Error: "blockheight" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "lastblock" is not a valid command.
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 28 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00051121 = 9.5085 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Anyone with a sync'd foundation build know what 367851's problem is? ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform?
punkman: mircea_popescu: trinque you old enough to remember when neobee took over cypruss or notrly ? << I remember their derpy tv ads, unfortunately couldn't find them recently, wanted to show a friend
punkman: "The one rule they have adhered to throughout the Django Girls process is to "always go the extra mile" and the details of the workshops show this, they said. The room is decorated with flowers and balloons, rather than being a "boring classroom" and they do fun things like cupcake tasting or yoga during the day. "
punkman: yeah need more fun things to do instead of programming
mircea_popescu: you'll get more women in tech by making tech more like birthing class.
BingoBoingo backing up blockchain, going to see if doubling DB locks fixes anything
mircea_popescu: sad that they've gotten us girls so ashamed of cupcakes by now it gotta be a "tasting", it can't be just you know, EATING
mircea_popescu: dirty in the eyes of the hunchback protestant microgod.
punkman: "Make sure their experience is positive and that they have fun. Do not judge, be helpful and appreciate their (in-)abilities."
trinque: punkman: how in the fuck do you think without judging?
mircea_popescu: "The ability to answer all sorts of questions in a beginner-friendly way (even if that means the explanation isn’t technically precise)"
trinque: once you can internalize a lie like "don't judge" you're broken
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not clear yet. << Well just a few minutes until my pure blockchain finishes copying to safety so I can test something
trinque: how could you possibly exit that state?
trinque: certainly not from within, that's for sure.
trinque: that there are "stuck" human states *necessitates* the beatings
BingoBoingo: K, moar locks doesn't seem to be fixing wedge
punkman: Q: Is there a Django Girls for men? A: There doesn't seem to be a need for Django Boys at the moment.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i doubt the scamfoundation/obsolete bitcoind will be resurectable on the mid term.
BingoBoingo: Seems likely. I'm just wondering what this crud is that wedged just now.
trinque: god damn it, neighbor's drunk singing soul music
trinque: I'm a little buzzed, any soul music coming out of me?
cazalla: ah shit, danielpbarron beat me to it
decimation: re: tx fees & relays: it would be interesting if there could be some kind of market for fees
decimation: but I'm not sure how to do it without introducing more centralization
mircea_popescu: frenchie gets it quite exactly, we're at that creepy stalking phase atm
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so you actually got teh tools for sunday ?
decimation: it's more like it's 1906 in the aircraft business
BingoBoingo: Oh test node with megalocks is now at 367863
decimation: I suppose the 'market' will just be what happens naturally as folks shop around for reliable nodes
mircea_popescu: one of the funniest things i saw in egypt was the following thing :
mircea_popescu: i'd go into a shop, ask for something. shop owner would run me off to a different shop (i kid you not, leave his thing, wide open, whatever - nobody steals in arabworld apparently)
mircea_popescu: and the other guy would sell me whatever and then pass the original guy a bill or two.
trinque: chop off hands for a while and look what happens
decimation: I suppose cooperating in this way, the whole town is 'walmart'
mircea_popescu: and seeiong how their lyra was at the time ~a quarter, i expect they got the value of txn just about precisely enough to be usable in bitcoin
punkman: so if Hearn trusts in the Gospel of Satoshi, why isn't he running 0.1 or 0.5.3? "No it wasn't. That is something you invented yourself much later. "Small devices" isn't even defined anywhere, so there can't have been any such understanding. The actual understanding was the opposite. Satoshi's words: ..."
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the jew, coptic and muslim groups crossed borders, too!
mircea_popescu: in fact - pretty much everything in the "received knowledge" of jews is hysterically counter-realistic to anyone who has you know, actually travelled.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> danielpbarron so you actually got the tools for sunday ? << i got 9 axes and 9 hoes and i'm just now working on adzes (which require a slightly different method)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron prolly should publishe the whole thing monday. it's not a trivial math problem
mircea_popescu: well, asciilifeform would say it is, sure. but there's levels in triviality.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you got the actual function to select optimal usage/mixage of tools given a set ?
mircea_popescu: (probably ideal usage of lisp, check me out phf im doing lisp girls coach over here!)
mircea_popescu: actually this'd prollybe interesting to our very own gabriel_laddel too.
phf: i misread that as "couch", was not surprised
danielpbarron: it took me a day of thinking about it off and on to come up with
BingoBoingo: My favorite part of reading my debug.log is getting to see all the transactions that don't make it to the mempool
mircea_popescu: (the problem, ftr, is : you get a set of tools, with arbitrary durability. you can mix any set (which floor-averages), and decay any individual tool (fixed rate). make a collection of 9 with durabilities from 1 to 9)
mircea_popescu: in practice the mix operation is cheap and the decay operation expensive.
danielpbarron: i plug in a few numbers into equation, solve for x, paste my macro x-many times, let it run while i do other stuff
mircea_popescu: for bonus points, offer preference criterion (would A or B be more beneficial if added to the set)
danielpbarron: but we need the explored resources anyway; it's not like i'm wasting time doing somethign i wouldn't have done otherwise
mircea_popescu: was just going after the math angle of it for a second
trinque: mircea_popescu: that show up on your doorstep?
mircea_popescu: "Heartbreakingly, at some age, we become convinced that doing anything like a girl means that you are doing it ineffectively, wimpily, and in a way that can’t be taken seriously at all."
mircea_popescu: no dude, not heartbreakingly. the only human dumb enough to imagine girlhood's right is the girl in question.
mircea_popescu: girlhood's something you hopefully grow out of. failure to grow out of it is the definition of retardation.
mircea_popescu: ie, it takes you longer, perhaps infinitely long, to mature.
mircea_popescu: anyway. why can't "coding like a girl" mean you write good documentation, for instance ?
mircea_popescu: that's what i would like it to mean. "this was coded by a girl" should be the indication that if i follow the fucking thing, i get the intended result. NOT some error message.
mircea_popescu: i've had enough of boy coding to last me five generations of myself.
mircea_popescu: if i fuck her i get off, no exceptions ; if i follow her recipe i get a build - no exceptions. this is what it should be.
trinque: "She went back home that night really frustrated and flustered."
trinque: and stop waiting for someone to accept you
trinque: then from the other angle, maybe she looked great in that dress, and the neckbeards couldn't take the heat
trinque: thoughts of a navel-fixated narcissist
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26836 @ 0.00051121 = 13.7188 BTC [-]
punkman: "There is now a pull request to remove mention of "zero or low fees", "fast international payments", and "instant peer-to-peer transactions" from bitcoin.org. For those non-technical users who do not read source code, this may come across as the breaking of the social contract on what Bitcoin is ultimately intended to be."
trinque: breaking the social contract lol
trinque: at least with religious magical thinking it's anchored to a book.
punkman: "Why don't you use short keys? They scale better"
trinque: punkman: hey he says they should be secure, so they should be
punkman: that gut wrenching feeling after you try 30 variations of an infrequently used password...
punkman: the realization this trove of data is forever lost, sinking in
punkman: but then you take a walk and it comes back to you
trinque: punkman: if it makes you feel better, the guy that yelled at me re: trannies, and which wrote tenyks, lost 130 odd btc that way
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00053489 = 13.399 BTC [+]
decimation: hopefully this will influence apple to turn osx into a more adult unix, but I wouldn't hold my breath
BingoBoingo: I doubt IBM is running anything other than OS/370 on them
danielpbarron: the gnomes figured out a magic amount of bytes that got accepted by some but not all, except it seems their beloved bc.i got caught in the fire
BingoBoingo: So it's more "non-deterministic behavior" and 40,000 probably just wasn't enough DB locks and objects to fix it
trinque strives to imagine what could actually need to lock 40k records in a db
danielpbarron: apparently this block set the record for number of transactions included
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: And the one two later apparently set another
trinque: same thing done here with locks is probably also trivially represented by a nullable foreign key
trinque: ben_vulpes: what's the thing even locking?
punkman: danielpbarron: which node is that?
trinque: like... what's the cost of making the threads just *not bump into each other* vs using locks because "that's what you do with concurrent code" ?
mats: 'dual EC: a standardized backdoor' by djb, tanja lange, ruben niederhagen
trinque: really, can anyone explain why bitcoind must have 40k locks?
trinque: because that didn't cut it
BingoBoingo: trinque: It seemed like a safer number than the one that wedged before
trinque: I mean in that case infinite locks are best
decimation: trinque: yeah this is standard for 'threaded' code
decimation: folks can't be bothered to actually think about how to design things without collisions
trinque: but what collides in bitcoind, these are transaction records?
trinque: in my mental model of this thing there are not 40k things needing to be locked anywhere
decimation: heh. there's several threads running simultaneously
trinque: processing incoming barf from other nodes, yes?
trinque: does it then write all messages to the db then start processing them?
decimation: I can't enumerate them all, but the network code, for instance, runs in a different thread than the db code for instace
trinque: I'm reading through the code, just trying to prime on whatever knowledge is handy
decimation: I'm not sure on that point, would need to read the code
punkman: you gotta read BDB code for those locks
punkman: "Blockchain.info is currently down for maintenance. For status updates please see Twitter. Apologies for any inconvenience. "
punkman: so they got wedged pretty bad?
punkman: trinque: is that still on btcd?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ph0rk ?! << BDB exhaustion, upping maxlocks and DBobjects fixes
punkman: BingoBoingo: so you have an unwedged 0.5.3?
BingoBoingo: punkman: Unwedged 0.7-ish stator still isn't anywhere near this sync'd yet
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: record setting numbers of transactions in blocks
punkman: danielpbarron: > Db::put: Cannot allocate memory << it's a bdb problem
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decimation: "They also pointed out that the aircraft is still under development and that full production is not scheduled until 2019, 17 years after the program’s inception. And they wondered whether the Pentagon really need 2,443 of the planes “in light of countervailing pressure to reduce force structure to conserve resources.”"
decimation: as usual usg claims success early and often
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I just upped the DB shit to 80000, backed up my blockchain, and recompiled
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think we just copied that number from some patch Luke-Jr pointed us to
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: that's (partly) why we moved to LevelDB ;)
trinque: asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: is there a particular reason we didn't set that knob to maxint ?
trinque: again, what is it doing locking that many records at once?!?!
trinque: at least in this conversation we *are* talking about databases; the above is insanely shit
trinque: point me at it and I'll go kill
trinque: I modeled this thing with ben_vulpes one day on a whiteboard; the blockchain is not an impossibly complex data structure
punkman: this probably comes from derpy indexes and structures used by bitcoind, not the blockchain
punkman: max locks: " This value is used by DB_ENV->open to estimate how much space to allocate for various lock-table data structures"
punkman: depends on available memory
cazalla: punkman, what a lost generation, can't even kill a chicken without getting out their phone to post it on fkn instagram
cazalla: and they all give the expected response of "i'm gonna think about my food more often in future" instead of hey, imma get some chickens and do this at home
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> the gnomes figured out a magic amount of bytes that got accepted by some but not all, except it seems their beloved bc.i got caught in the fire << bc.i gets caught in every fire.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> is it 1974 and we are at ibm, in fortran ? << just about.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22587 @ 0.00052902 = 11.949 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 22:20:58; ascii_modem: picture if we had pogos deployed
mircea_popescu: conversely : if bitcoind can not run in bdb, bitcoind is very poorly written
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:33:42; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 << what i was saying there bears repeating. if we had a fleet of pogos deployed, they would ~all~ be paperweights now. and for so long as we use the cpp turd, there can be no guarantee of this kind of thing not happening in the future.
mircea_popescu: ftr i've been running set_lk_max_locks 2737000 set_lk_max_objects 1119200 since sometime in 2012.
punkman: asciilifeform: you'll have to add it
punkman: bitcoind does some bdb config
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ftr i've been running set_lk_max_locks 2737000 set_lk_max_objects 1119200 since sometime in 2012. < ?
mircea_popescu: anyway there's a reason for the magic numbers too, something to do with theoretical maximums of a 1mb block but i don't recall what THAT was either.
punkman: asciilifeform: did you just get an alternate 367886?
mircea_popescu: trying connection 195.211.154.159:8333 lastseen=-371779.9hrs
BingoBoingo: Oh, 80000 did not stay big enough very long
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> version 99992 lol << What's the rest of the version?
mircea_popescu: im pretty certain said magic numbers actually make it impossible for a block to be crafted legally and still crash your bdb, soi there's that.
mircea_popescu: iirc bdb just makes assumptions about what memory it may allocate and dies at the later time if they get contradicted
mircea_popescu: whjy use static buffers when one can be a danger to the system
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> version 99992 lol << Was me. Since I dumped that debug.log took it down to rebuild with new identity.
mircea_popescu: it'll be indeed a hard task to explain to one's grandkids to what end does bitcoind actyually use threading
BingoBoingo: Fuck it. Imma report a whole number version this time
BingoBoingo: lol bc.i fixed their shit and got constipated again
mircea_popescu: because they're running "the newest version" which "always works". in the sense of not.
BingoBoingo forgot that when you change versioning this whole thing wants rebuilt again
mircea_popescu: whereas proper bitcoin as released by actual foundation doth in fact always work.
BingoBoingo: I just have to wonder what idiocy is going to break everything the first weekend of September
BingoBoingo: This is 2 months in a row. Not quite a pattern, but almost one
mircea_popescu: i gotta confess watching the idjits squirm is kinda fun.
BingoBoingo: It really is. And who of all people would have suspected I'd be around and find a problem on a Friday night.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, im bringing the original node back on to help along.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: There's a second one a bit later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.000537 = 6.3366 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Random turd. Could be OpenBSD memory handling weird
mircea_popescu: lol now my node is getting teh silent intertubes treatment
mircea_popescu: i dunno where erryone else shops for intertubes that work
BingoBoingo: At least I killed the orphanages earlier this week
BingoBoingo went from fairly stable 224-236 MB of ram usage to a very flat 986 MB the very flat makes me suspect OpenBSD weird
BingoBoingo: most of my debug.log is not allowing shit into mempool because insufficient fee
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suspect obds SANE. ie, it forces the allocation.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i suspect obds SANE. ie, it forces the allocation. << It does for most things.
mircea_popescu: if my suspect is true, this very neatly shows openbsd as a superior os.
BingoBoingo: Well malloc() tends to aggressively try to keep shit from running into each other
mircea_popescu: malloc or any other mechanism has no way out of "gimme 900mb" "only 600 here" "but you promised"
BingoBoingo: up to 989.4 MB so well within the pre-patching wiggle room.
BingoBoingo: With the rest of my stuff running atm I'm almose using 1/3 of my RAM for the first time since I've moved to OpenBSD
BingoBoingo: OBSD does the probably placebo ASLR thing for better or worse
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I made it further, but I also started 80000 sooner
cazalla: same mods there as /r/bitcoin BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Just one in common that I know of.
BingoBoingo: Oh and Qntra is now at 707 posts. It is now the biggest place a nuclear reactor housing can be expected to survive.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.0005265 = 7.6079 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2471 @ 0.0005265 = 1.301 BTC [-]
shinohai: kudos BingoBoingo for being prolific on qntra this week, I have had plenty to read.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2057 @ 0.0005265 = 1.083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00051791 = 10.4877 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00052346 = 1.8321 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22182 @ 0.00051121 = 11.3397 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14643 @ 0.00052346 = 7.665 BTC [+]
shinohai: Evidently I need opengl before I can install Eulora
chetty: <shinohai> Evidently I need opengl before I can install Eulora// yup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00051428 = 16.2512 BTC [-]
Adlai: shinohai: or an emacs/ncurses/framebuffer client
shinohai: np, register your GPG key with assbot and you can voice yourself
punkman: shinohai: it doesn't work like that
shinohai: well punkman i know he has to get into wot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34177 @ 0.00052742 = 18.0256 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00051221 = 12.4979 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: I am going to need a dedicated box if I intend to play Eulora. Any suggestions?
chetty: shinohai, join the #eulora chan, best ask folks with experience so far :)
shinohai: I'm so retarded. I shulda known there was a dedi chan
Adlai: no, you're retarted for not reading the logs
shinohai: I usually ignore/skip things to do with eulora. Only began to take an interest recently and started to search logs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00052256 = 3.684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00052256 = 17.3751 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla interesting. tho i don't get enough from that article to figure out how the fuck it'd work
mircea_popescu: "Following more than a decade of research and development, 3D XPoint technology was built from the ground up to address the need for non-volatile, high-performance, high-endurance and high-capacity storage and memory at an affordable cost."
mircea_popescu: i thought it was built from the clouds down, honestly.
kakobrekla: dunno but apparently they have working wafers
mircea_popescu: good for 'em... i wonder if this is the glass thing being discussed for the past year
kakobrekla: good part seems to be that you can manipulate a single bit unlike flash.
mircea_popescu: prolly hafnium oxide, which should make the world situation ever more interesting.
mircea_popescu: (brazil and australia pretty much own the known hf supply atm). in any case, pretty fucking weird that goldbugs and silverheads still insist with their "precious" metals. they're useless. pm freaks of 2015 really should collect hf. cerium. lanthanum. europium. etc.
decimation: gold makes excellent electrical contacts
mircea_popescu: europium phosphates for instance are still to this day the only way to get a decent red.
decimation: silver is pointless as a monetary metal - too common with too many reserves
mircea_popescu: except electric contacts are not really where the cut lies atm. optic interactions (hence hafnium - ever seen an ingot with the microflim effect btw ?)
☟︎ decimation: yes, this is true. you need a supply of gold for electronics certainly, but it need not be huge
decimation: yeah you can use aluminium to bond wires
mircea_popescu: it's just not a bottleneck atm. sure, maybe it will become. who knew, in the 60s, that mountain pass thing in pasadena would be the most strategically important place in all the us.
decimation: apparently palladium coated copper is used too
decimation: gold is nice because it doesn't oxidize, just sits
mircea_popescu: meanwhile every time china cuts quotas, the futures go into 10x explosions.
mircea_popescu: and you simply can't beat a value proposition like "either have europium or not be able to display the color red - it's that simple".
mircea_popescu: iirc obama even whined at the wtc about china rare earth policy
mircea_popescu: somehow his international relations failures when being humiliated by putin in public are widely discussed
mircea_popescu: but his much more important failures when trying to preserve soime sort of future for that country get ignored throughout.
mircea_popescu: nobody yet wanted to be africa and failed to get its wish.
decimation: yarvin pointed out the amusing contrast between the us wanting to de-africanize africa and the chinese wanting to take its minerals
decimation: it seems the chinese approach is working out better for both parties
mircea_popescu: i guess alf's observation re kalash bullets, copper and izhevsk is so difficult to grok and utterly advanced people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that copper's not really the only superiority metal.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: decimation soon to come to a strip mine/mall near you!
decimation: it looks like it was built to golden toilet standards, it'll be interesting to see how profitable it is
mircea_popescu: it is actually not unreasonable to overspend on sustainability when building a mine.
decimation: the challenge with rare earths isn't finding them or digging them up, it's sorting them and processing them
decimation: well, the us has lots of experience with blotted landscapes due to mining
mircea_popescu: yes. the fact that they can't currently be extracted efficiently from electronics scrap speaks volumes.
mircea_popescu: otherwise ocean extraction would almost be practicable.
mircea_popescu: the trawlers that pretty much took all the fish, 1965-2015 can be refurbished to suck out the rare earths too, 2015-2065.
decimation: heh, or if we go 'full fission' U also
mircea_popescu: i doubt you'll ever be able to put up your gf's butt something that was inside a reactor core during your lifetime.
decimation: yeah, it's one of those 'we could safely use nuclear to supply electricty to everyone but we don't because reasons' situation
mircea_popescu: well in this case the reasons seem to be more like, "because it will kill you painfully."
decimation: fission is by far the safest method of electricity production
mircea_popescu: is this a rehash of the entire russian song and dance about how "nobody died at chernobyl" ?
mircea_popescu: you know, just because japan's a colony and ukraine a colony of "the enemy" doesn
mircea_popescu: but i will note for jurov's benefit exactly what the differences are between his great friend to the east and his great friend to the west.
mircea_popescu: fission may well be the safest method of electricity production. that's not in discussion. a large part of WHY it is the safest involves not sticking bits of a reactor core inside you.
decimation: eh, as long it's just a little bit you'll be okay
mircea_popescu: (i have the math done on the difference between being exposed to a meltdown outside and being exposed to ingested material, if the obvious difference's aren't obvious i can dig it up)
mircea_popescu: but it boils down to the simple fact that if you're a mile away your share of the sphere surface is tiny, whereas if you're surrounding the item, your share's 100%. distance is a much better insulator than mass, because distance goes into the formula ^3. and consequently you're better off a mile away from a ton's worth of criticality than with a gram of the stuff in your colon.
decimation: sure, but meanwhile all waste products are captured rather than being dumped into the atmosphere
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: decimation the idea was that somehow you create the hafnium you use in your laptop through a fission process that happened during your lifetime.
decimation: I was pointing out that if you are gonna such halfnium from seawater, might as well get some U too
mircea_popescu: that's all i was saying really. making your own rare metals may work, but it won't be this century.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i thought you wanted it made the only way we know how to create elements atm.
decimation: he's point is that you could suply 420 kWh per day per person in the entire world if you mined oceanic uranium and used fast breeders to maximally extract energy from it
mircea_popescu: the x per day bla bla figure is spurious. obviously there's a shitton of energy there. the problem is we don't yet have the filters.
decimation: it's the only technology that (mostly) exists that could possibly give a 'european' level of energy use to the entire world
mircea_popescu: this "from the clouds down" approach... who cares about "the entire world", srsly ?
decimation: heh well yeah. ultimately he's kinda a libertard
mircea_popescu: anyway. i always thought all the work in fine graphite fibers is really intended to do this, eventually.
decimation: yes, 'buckyball' strands were supposed to be the next big thing
mircea_popescu: but in all fairness this thing, while in principle promising, is mroe than a few tweaks away.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> yes, 'buckyball' strands were supposed to be the next big thing << Turns out lots are easy to make already, start a wood fire.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile buying a kilogram bar of non radioactive rare earth metal is perfectly feasible as-is.
decimation: if you are going with industrial usefuless, palladium or pt are also good metals to hold
mircea_popescu: my concern was more cultural, so to speak. here are these dudes, maybe 100k of them, all heads counted. they're mostly over 50 white men, who have for 30 years been buying and hoping.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, during THAT EXACT INTERVAL, this set of 10-20 metals did EXACTLY what they had hoped their dead horse would do.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow in their minds the idea doesn't form that... hello ? anyone home ?
☟︎ decimation: yeah it's a good point. gold is double-edged because it's the thing everyone else is warehousing
decimation: which is good in the sense of 'could be traded' but bad in the sense of 'oh noes they are dumping onto the market'
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 14:00:05; mircea_popescu: oh this is resistive memory.
decimation: asciilifeform: my poor node is only at 343k, seems to be syncing very slowly
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 14:01:46; mircea_popescu: this century will be the rare earths century.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00053654 = 22.3201 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 13:54:11; mircea_popescu: seems mindblowing, non volatile yet non rom.
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 14:11:44; mircea_popescu: except electric contacts are not really where the cut lies atm. optic interactions (hence hafnium - ever seen an ingot with the microflim effect btw ?)
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 14:12:51; mircea_popescu: for instance - platinum's even better.
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 14:35:30; mircea_popescu: that's all i was saying really. making your own rare metals may work, but it won't be this century.
decimation: actually this is a side-effect of ramping up fission - it would increase the supply of random shit coming out of the reactor to study
decimation: yes, this is true, although I would prefer us safety record
decimation: asciilifeform: my understanding that the "U" dry storage casks are specially designed to be put into 'fast breeder' - for a time when usg comes to its sense
mircea_popescu: in fairness it hasn't been studied too much yet. who knows.
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 14:47:17; mircea_popescu: yet somehow in their minds the idea doesn't form that... hello ? anyone home ?
mircea_popescu: but yes. the us is not only just as inclined to outright lie as the su was, it's also blessed with the gift of suck in the shape of a purely imbecile population.
mircea_popescu: the "resistance through culture" intellectuals still did a lot to mitigate the sort of damage discussed here
mircea_popescu: "designed by americans" is quickly becoming the english equivalent of "marfa romaneasca"
mircea_popescu: not merely shit, but shit that's been trampled by monkeys.
decimation: there are american nuclear fission designs that depend only on gravity to stop reactions
decimation: who knows about its actual record in the field
decimation: but you are right, it could have been built 30 years ago instead of what we have today
decimation: actually I bet a large number of existing plants could be converted over to this design
decimation: but that ain't gonna happen because it would cause $bil in paperwork to be generated
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 14:20:38; mircea_popescu: i guess alf's observation re kalash bullets, copper and izhevsk is so difficult to grok and utterly advanced people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that copper's not really the only superiority metal.
decimation: yes, the most lulzy thing about 'goldbug preppers' is their choice of a pile of metal vice actual people to help them in a time of need
mircea_popescu: same thing that came out of the "hey, you're defrauding maryland u" email.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 04:14:29; mircea_popescu: cazalla write to the author and to forbes editor, tell them they can either publish a fix or else i sue.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: will be magicked away with magic rays.
mircea_popescu: nothing gets "magicked away with magic rays". they can shove their hands in ears all the way to the elbow, i'm getting all my pounds of flesh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22533 @ 0.00053552 = 12.0669 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> u.s. safety record of the final collapse period will quite likely make the su one look rather good in comparison. << Calloway County plant in Missouri has made the news number of times this year for shutdowns related to declared non-radiological steam leaks.
BingoBoingo: On the other hand Bridgeton Missouri landfill which has perma underground fire spewing radio weird makes news
jurov: u.s. safety record will differ from su only cuz media coverage
mircea_popescu: the main point of difference is that the soviets at least had some still functional brainparts.
BingoBoingo: Also US really doesn't do much in the way of putting spent fuel in coffins, Tends to leave it swimming in pools, just outside of reactor housings
jurov: afaik no one is really seriously depositing spent fuel deep into earth/oceans yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00051501 = 12.2057 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: really? pediwiki says "The head of the Science Council of Japan’s expert panel has said Japan's seismic conditions makes it difficult to predict ground conditions over the necessary 100,000 years, so it will be impossible to convince the public of the safety of deep geological disposal."
jurov: what is bleeding edge?
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin foundation is serious now, Has two branches
jurov: no, i set it to 0/5/3/1 as default
jurov: at least i think so
BingoBoingo contemplates DNS and IRC snip on his 0.7 branch, wonders how much his 0.7 will look like 0.5 if the cutting continues
BingoBoingo: But now I'm just sticking with 0.7 for the learns
shinohai: it's no big deal bitcoind doesn't have importprivkey to me
shinohai: asciilifeform: u don't just add keys manually ?
BingoBoingo: Got to use hex editor on memory pages of running bitcoind
shinohai: hex editor feels clunkier to me :/
BingoBoingo: Or you could tap the buttons on your computer's front panel
jurov: nah, point a gamma source toward ram
BingoBoingo: Gotta use a very fine source though, targets are very tiny
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17446 @ 0.0005363 = 9.3563 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Seems to be since BFL typically still lower bidders
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usual "i say words about words so please hire me" circus.
mircea_popescu: mostly doing pest control or i don't remember what nonsense.
mircea_popescu: this could actually be a reasonably decent companion project. make a static html exporter companion for bitcoind
shinohai: asciilifeform: like an insight explorer?
mircea_popescu: then everyone running a node can run that too, if they run a webserver.
mircea_popescu: if you can store 100gb of chain you can store 100mb of static html.
mircea_popescu: the shenanigans would come back out once a 2nd item is found
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.000537 = 3.2489 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i think your stay in b-a has benefited you immensely :)
mircea_popescu: aww. im sure it was just a researcher doing researching.
trinque: asciilifeform: nothing coming out of those links for me atm
trinque: asciilifeform: are you the one weird trick they don't want me to know?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00053735 = 1.5583 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021519 B (Total: 427.54 B). Delta: 0.05 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
assbot: 17 results for '12884901891' - #bitcoin-assets search
mircea_popescu: 64 bytes from archive.today (195.211.154.159): icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=28.4 ms
mod6: Thanks all for working lastnight to get the db locks issue resolved! I've got a new bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2 bundle created. Patch added was `asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch'. Applies cleanly. All automated tests passed.
mod6: Sending out updated email to ML now.
mod6: thanks again asciilifeform, much appreciated.
trinque: asciilifeform: I can regenerate that lcov output later today; I found it a nice way to read the source
mod6: Note To Ubuntu 10.04 Testers: I've added a list of install depedantcies to this email to help any build of this go more smoothly. GnuPG should be installed by default so you can check the sigs.
trinque: also, I've noticed the same, quite common for attacking bots to claim "googlebot"
trinque: you're just being indexed, citizen
mod6: Any other Linux OS Testers: Steps will be gathered soon and will be updating as that information becomes available.
trinque: asciilifeform: being entirely sarcastic
trinque: I dunno that I've ever seen a POST from googlebot
trinque: I am actually going to grep some logs and see if I have
trinque: well those are GETs, so who knows
trinque: having it do anything other than passively snarf data is kinda rude
punkman: I have received POSTs from Google in the past
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what makes you think that's a form posting ?
mircea_popescu: it's just a get request. and google is pretty aggressive following all conceivable urls.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, it clearly scraped the url from there
mircea_popescu: i just checked, by going to nosuchlabs.com/redo/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB? myself
mircea_popescu: the result is that it sets it up for rechecking, yes, but i still only made a get req
mircea_popescu: well this is like asking why did the goat piss its left leg and not the right
trinque: it could have some "back off" logic after a 500
mircea_popescu: yeah, if /redo/ has functionality it should be in robots.txt etc
mircea_popescu: trinque i never saw a post from legit (by ip allocation) googlrbot. seen plenty from rogue agents using same user string
ben_vulpes: imagine my extreme disappointment when i cracked my email this morning, found a "bullet" for the locks, and opened it to find a config change.
ben_vulpes: i imagined that he of many hands had actually excised the locks.
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 04:39:08; asciilifeform: i mean, yes, i haven't turned my death ray on db.cpp yet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform excise sag from tits and white from beard while at it
ben_vulpes: isn't processmessages the only thread that writes to the db?
BingoBoingo: Really need to start checking when news is just an update of shit that got qntra'd earlier
trinque: ben_vulpes: I had a bitch-fest about "why the fuck does anything on earth need 40k locks" and got crickets
trinque: something is obscenely wrong there
trinque: so it routinely tries to break the integrity of its own data to the tune of 10s of thousands
trinque: if bitcoind were intended to obscure the functioning of the bitcoin algorithm for as long as possible, it would've come out the same way
☟︎ trinque: relatedly, my new hobby is reading wireshark logs of bitcoind's operation
ben_vulpes: the fate of all useful things connected to the internet without mitigation
trinque: anyone give a shit about discussing cranking a magic number to 11 without discussing how the fuck it's using that many locks?
☟︎ trinque: I can spend the next couple weeks staring at all the db code, but if it's already been thought through by someone, I'm all ears
ben_vulpes: don't worry about wasted effort. the more people who have it in their head, the better off la serenissima is.
ben_vulpes: besides, you'll need to write a bitcoind of your own some day anyways.
davout: ohai ben_vulpes et al.
ben_vulpes: how's life, davout? haven't seen you much of late.
trinque: ben_vulpes: widespread use of indices to deal with the fact that berkdb... ain't a db?
davout: second kid arrived, private pilot license in progress 70% pretty much sums it up :-)
☟︎ trinque: then parallel threads trying to dick with said indices?
trinque: aka lets invent a database while inventing bitcoind?
trinque: that's what I'm seeing, just trying to measure my own sense of stink against others
ben_vulpes: similar to how all blublangs implement conditions poorly.
ben_vulpes: trinque: it's a crime that there are no transaction indices or block indices.
trinque: should jsut be a separate concern entirely
ben_vulpes: (see asciilifeform's comment re upper bound of dumpblock)
ben_vulpes: davout: sounds like a lot of work. congrats etc.
trinque: where does the abstract logic of bitcoin end and the implementation of a shitty db begin
ben_vulpes: $bizpartner took me up in a 2 seat glider the other weekend, after about .75 hrs of going in a circle to the right i asked to come down, was put on the stick and pedals instead.
ben_vulpes: shocking how quickly my equilibrium returned
davout: gliders are pretty high on my todo
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: location of block on disk, though?
ben_vulpes may be wrong, is undercaffinated, girl is stil making breakfast.
trinque: then have something pointing
trinque: like a version control system would do
ben_vulpes: + // possibly could be improved if we descend from best height if requested height is closer to it
ben_vulpes: this is above my pay grade in terms of data structures, but perhaps an opportunity to learn. is there not a data structure available for use that doesn't have to iterate through the whole index to grab the element of interest?
trinque: just point at the end of all paths
trinque: I cannot fathom what's hard in here, and I'm plainly asking to be called a moron, and why
trinque: git *is* this data structure
ben_vulpes: what i do not understand is why it is necessary to iterate through mapblockindex.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62515 @ 0.00051147 = 31.9745 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86416 @ 0.00052611 = 45.4643 BTC [+]
shinohai: How long before asciilifeform invents phuctor for bitcoin
decimation: it's depressing to kick off bitcoind and watch it balloon in memory
Adlai wonders whether somebody misunderstood shinohai's question.
Adlai: although perhaps shinohai misunderstood ecdlp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00053767 = 29.5181 BTC [+] {4}
shinohai: I remember that abt reused k values and the android snafu for blockchain.info
punkman: asciilifeform: shinohai: long ago done, by other people << still being done every second of every day
punkman: and the whole HD wallet thing provides extra targets as well
punkman: (hierarchical deterministic)
Adlai finds, while trying to type out the difference between this hunt (rsa factor collision) and that (reused/predictable k-values), that it's quite elusive
Adlai: 'it is mind that moves'
Apocalyptic: punkman, care to explain your reasoning behind this claim ?
shinohai: wallets that look slick and get your coins lost
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, it's a way of deriving addresses deterministically from an original seed using a HMAC function afaik
shinohai: I dont really like SPV wallets either
punkman: Apocalyptic: I have mentioned it here several times
punkman: lemme see if I can dig up thje links
Apocalyptic: punkman, I simply don't see the relationship between HMAC-derived addresses and the signature process, more specifically the k-value
punkman: also brainwallet with infinite change addresses
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I avoids to have access to an rng at any further point
☟︎ shinohai: Am i alone here in hating on darkwallet too?
Apocalyptic: punkman, maybe HD wallet doesn't mean the same thing for you
Apocalyptic: and if you're not poor, you buy a cardano I guess
decimation: maybe use that guy's ti-89 code for making key
Adlai: shinohai:you're not alone, fuck darkwallet
Adlai: that's the problem
Adlai: dead, orphaned, yet somehow still losing idiot nickles
decimation: asciilifeform: part of the problem is, it's hard for folks to trust what's inside a black box without understanding what's inside
shinohai: thx Adlai too many people don't want bitcoin but an *app* for bitcoin
Adlai: punkman: fwiw i'm quite sure bip32 doesn't make your addresses less secure, provided you don't leak the key data
decimation: if you can't understand prng, how are they gonna understanding the elliptical key math, even if they supply their own dice numbers?
Adlai: it does mean that a leak compromises multiple addresses, but that's because they essentially have the same key
decimation: Adlai: so why bother? why not use just one key?
decimation: seems like it's a device to pull the wool in front of your own eyes
jurov: decimation: some people prefer to not have to maintain properly megabyte wallet.dat files
jurov: cold store the seed once and get as many addresses as desired
decimation: if you can cold store on seed, why not two? or N?
jurov: decimation: you know how wallet.dat works?
jurov: that you *must* back it up often or else?
Apocalyptic: Factors found: 3^2, 10369813152342769819546655742594738096999186293, 111420520518095837785511104477004478326532328625274528915533121095387027488402286811845047880038390653384109
☟︎ Apocalyptic: didn't investigate if they have a particular form in base 16 or 2
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 22:01:09; assbot: Logged on 19-03-2015 20:22:56; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2015#1057738 << it is. people (especially people kinda too lazy to study things in depth) have all sorts of theories about privacy and keep pestering me for special addresses etc. it's a fashion is what it is, one i don't aim to encourage, and i'm stuck because w/e, serving teh customer.
Adlai: decimation: you can "cold store" an infinite number of addresses in your head as a phrase,but only a finite number of distinct keys
Apocalyptic: punkman, can you be more specific and point me to a given page/chapter ?
Adlai is not advocating the use of "brainwallets" where you pick the phrase, but rather a phrase generated from randomness + wordlist
danielpbarron: sounds like the deterministic thing comes from the already brain damaged desire to never reuse an address
punkman: Apocalyptic: eh, read the paper
Apocalyptic: also it's a paper from Courtois, who afaik has wrote many innacuracies about bitcoin
Apocalyptic: corner of the system and everything collapses, all private keys can be re-
Apocalyptic: covered and ALL bitcoins within the remit of the system can be stolen.
Apocalyptic: Privilege escalation attacks on HD Wallet solutions are not new. In this
Apocalyptic: (sorry for \n) punkman if this is their main point then it's moot wrt was I was asking
Adlai: "can be stolen by people who have the auditor keys" - don't expose mpub, period. bip32 is not designed for auditing [live] wallets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19809 @ 0.00051933 = 10.2874 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: that is: the hierarchy-deterministic way of computing addresses doesn't weaken at all the signature
jurov: danielpbarron: well, people like mp (or me) who want to sleep ad libitum and thus decided to accept coins, inveitably end up requiring $maxint addresses
☟︎ punkman: the point is idiots will lose their coins this way, dunno what else you want
Adlai: idiots losing coin is the root of all deflation
Adlai: although in the current market climate, theft may do the opposite
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, if something strikes you as odd among these factors please do tell
Adlai is a big fan of "magic" HD wallets, that send your funds into obscure chains... spendable, if you know where to look
Apocalyptic: 7556 iterations of gmp-ecm from inria with a B1 bound of 43e6
decimation: I do feel sorry for jurov, being chained to bitcoind for key management
shinohai: I feel less and less guilty about ppl losing their bitcoin to alternative chains since coming here.
Apocalyptic: I did 4480 iterations at 11e6 prior to that which found nothing
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 21:24:00; Apocalyptic: Factors found: 3^2, 10369813152342769819546655742594738096999186293, 111420520518095837785511104477004478326532328625274528915533121095387027488402286811845047880038390653384109
jurov: decimation why do you think?
decimation: jurov: I mean I look forward to the day when wallet.dat can be axed and an off-net computer be used to manage keys
jurov: i just wanted to point out that creating new adresses on the fly isn't universally better than generating the from seed
☟︎ jurov: process is everything
decimation: it is, from the point of view of "give enemy less informatin"
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jurov: decimation in this scenario eneby that gets wallet.dat has much more information than enemy that merely gets public key
jurov: devil is in the details
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decimation: ideally one would store keys in off-net antifuse
jurov: decimation: also there must be a way to unlimited count of new addresses, which bip
jurov: bip32 fulfills nicely
jurov: as shown above, even mp had to succumb to that
decimation: I get it, managing fucktons of key material is a serious pain
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shinohai: Is there still interest in a lame block explorer if i pursue the project?
☟︎ trinque: wouldn't be lame to do it as described
Apocalyptic: !rate asciilifeform 2 Built phuctor, knows some maths
Apocalyptic: !v assbot:Apocalyptic.rate.asciilifeform.2:c43e959793043b012992520acc6f924bc0b4e54fa57c5e33a891976d87a4bafe
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for asciilifeform with note: Built phuctor, knows some maths
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7119 @ 0.00052255 = 3.72 BTC [+]
punkman: "We found out that the website truecryptrussia.ru has been serving modified versions of the encryption software that included a backdoor to selected targets."
decimation: asciilifeform: but for the average guy, it's pwn at factory or pwn by wildmen
kakobrekla: Build Yourself < i imagine most people here built broken openssl before.
decimation: yeah, recipe needs 'fit code in head' too
decimation: asciilifeform: thinking about antifuse, a 'jungle' version could be made: make a pcb with 4096 shorts, scrape the desired bitpattern by hand. could be made into a 'pluggable module' and hand-verified
decimation: well, I was thinking of 4096 lines in parallel
decimation: plus ideally you would want several keys per card
decimation: yeah, so you would need some logic to probe each channel
decimation: it would be nice to have a little 'secure terminal' which could store key material reliably
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10812 @ 0.00050698 = 5.4815 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: "the most often observed fault during RSA-computations exposed to glitch attacks is the erroneous modification of the moduli."
punkman: " the attacker is not able to forge new valid signatures, but Seifert’s attack allows the attacker to pass — with a certain probability — the signature verification step, for a message of her choice, by corrupting the public modulus"
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 22:18:13; asciilifeform: if the 32-bit-mirror moduli are the product of any kind of electronic accident, i will shit toyotas.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00050402 = 13.0541 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00050402 = 18.5479 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: somehow the average idiot got this idea that time comes with an undo button. when and how did this happen.
decimation: mircea_popescu: back in the old days you had to print stuff on paper
mircea_popescu: "Over the last two years I have become deeply and increasingly pessimistic about the future of liberty and freedom of speech, particularly in regard to the Internet. This is a complete reversal of the almost unbounded optimism I felt during the 1994–1999 period when public access to the Internet burgeoned and innovative new forms of communication appeared in rapid succession. In that epoch I was firmly convinced that
mircea_popescu: universal access to the Internet would provide a countervailing force against the centralisation and concentration in government and the mass media which act to constrain freedom of expression and unrestricted access to information. Further, the Internet, properly used, could actually roll back government and corporate encroachment on individual freedom by allowing information to flow past the barriers erected by tota
mircea_popescu: litarian or authoritarian governments and around the gatekeepers of the mainstream media."
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mircea_popescu: to this day - i have no idea how to put this in proper words - to this day they have NUMEROUS CASES of fucktarded "doctors" who get supoenad for their records and show up with doctored records.
mircea_popescu: what, please explain to me, what the fuck must be going on inside this supposedly educated person's mind.
decimation: mircea_popescu: you mean folks with 'fake degrees'
mircea_popescu: i mean folks with multiple degrees from fucking harvard.
mircea_popescu: decimation what happens is that some guy dies and the attening physician gets supoenad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15888 @ 0.00050571 = 8.0347 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: by the point that supoena issues, OBVIOUSLY they already have copies.
mircea_popescu: because no fucking laywer to date has yet asked a question he didn't know the answer to
decimation: ah, and doctor didn't actually take notes, or have any notion of what was going on with particular patient?
mircea_popescu: because the job where you ask questions you don't know the answer to is in science not in humanities.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no, doctor took notes, didn't like the look of them, changed what they said.
decimation: to connect with my misunderstanding, why bother going to medical school?
decimation: could do the same with fake degree too
mircea_popescu: some people actually wanna learn a trade for chryssakes.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference, you know, between faeces flinger and bed shitter.
decimation: in the uk in particular, there is a strong tradition of 'surgeon is not doctor, but skilled craftsman'
decimation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_College_of_Surgeons_of_England " When the College of Surgeons received its royal charter, the Royal College of Physicians insisted that candidates must have a medical degree first.[citation needed] Therefore an aspiring surgeon had to study medicine first and received the title Doctor. Thereafter, having obtained the diploma of Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons he would revert ...
decimation: ... to the title "Mr" as a snub to the RCP."
shinohai: I'd rather be known as a knight of La Serenissima.
ben_vulpes: phf: your .dat reader works very well, thank you. consider submitting to list?
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 18:32:03; trinque: if bitcoind were intended to obscure the functioning of the bitcoin algorithm for as long as possible, it would've come out the same way
mircea_popescu: but your intuition is correct. everything the "core devs" have been doing since at the latest 2012 is this and nothing else.
mircea_popescu: somehow the notion that it'll get excised never occured to them.
mircea_popescu: like you know, the notion that he's pouring money in the sand ne'er occurs to friendly ddos guy.
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 18:47:08; trinque: anyone give a shit about discussing cranking a magic number to 11 without discussing how the fuck it's using that many locks?
mircea_popescu: obviously this should be fixed. but we're not there yet, and the fix would not consist of shaping gangrene anyway.
trinque: got it; I'll read that link
trinque: and the point prior is all too clear
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 18:59:24; asciilifeform: and also because varying sizes of block
mircea_popescu: that satoshi didn't originally is because he adapted design to perceived resources, and figured nobody would; run it if it took 2gb every 8 days.
mircea_popescu: in fact the blk0001 covers as you folks observed, the first ~3 years of bitcoin or some shit.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, that random accident at the beginning passed, the correct storage schema for bitcoin blockchain is fixed 1mb blocks.
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall we even discussed this, in re a bitcoin fs.
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 21:15:24; Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I avoids to have access to an rng at any further point
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, only the display is cut, the source shows the full numbers
mircea_popescu: 163 would imply a 512 bit key except iirc no key under 768 was even allowed ?
☟︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 15:52:27; asciilifeform: who was it who lifted a piece wholesale? 'forbes' ?
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 21:28:52; jurov: danielpbarron: well, people like mp (or me) who want to sleep ad libitum and thus decided to accept coins, inveitably end up requiring $maxint addresses
cazalla: and i contacted them saying hey, perhaps you'd like to link to the original instead of a copy wrapped in adsense but he declined
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu just because large enough set.
mircea_popescu: not a "solved problem" in my estimation, yet. future will decide.
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 21:35:28; jurov: i just wanted to point out that creating new adresses on the fly isn't universally better than generating the from seed
mircea_popescu: this is kind-of unavoidable from a crypto security perspective.
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: anvin's, for instance, is missing // interesting, did you notice any other key that has been pulled out ?
shinohai * mircea_popescu has the chinese miners on his side
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 21:40:14; shinohai: Is there still interest in a lame block explorer if i pursue the project?
shinohai: i know, i have to use php until I learn perl
shinohai: I haz explore in php days away
mircea_popescu: i was thinking you write it in c++, like the rest of the code, can be compiled as an addon
mircea_popescu: also most people running it would probably not opt to run apache
shinohai: its dirty web studd, not meant to be perm
trinque: you can use it like a template system... but... wai
kakobrekla: if block explorer is to have any usability you imho need to expand db a lot.
trinque: hm yeah seems like this should be bolted to dumpblock?
trinque: not bolted, should make use thereof
mircea_popescu: why do it on demand ? just dump out the "block explorer" material as you process the txn
trinque: I know, saying where he can get the data
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you wouldn't know the difference from the clicking side.
mircea_popescu: sure, it won't contain retarded "click here for value in dollars" dongles
kakobrekla: bitcoind on its own gives you ability to do approx nothing. it cant tell me unspent output of an address unless that address is in the wallet (watch only suffices).
shinohai: no then you are unwittingly pegged, like a fat McWhore
kakobrekla: how is this better than just doing dump block in your shell
mircea_popescu: at all points there's a purely injective function from blockchain to blockexplorer html pile
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla cause some people wanna click on web things, what.
mircea_popescu: how is anything better than irc and shell. they want the web.
trinque: seems like looking for log messages in the code would be a decent way to find where to hook
kakobrekla: i dont see any use in it, build what you want.
trinque: cmon hypertext is pretty cool
trinque: I hear it's getting big these days
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i see the use of a block explorer website with 0 js on it.
kakobrekla: you dont need js to bloxexplore on current blockexplorers
mircea_popescu: and add a "guaranteed accurate by process" thing to it makes it wunderbar.
mircea_popescu: also the fact that "any node can stand up a block explorer" is just the pill to sink the fucktarded "oh herp, we invested in bc.i" shitticon valley crap.
mircea_popescu: i enjoy making their investments worthless for purely political reasons. pederasts gotta learn.
kakobrekla: blockdumper is unable to tell you how much spendables is on a given address.
gernika: Is the pederast epithet a reference to older VCs getting kicks from paying a bunch of young hacker boys to hang out with them?
trinque: lol this thing just uses various *print* functions to log
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> it can list them. < not trivially.
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