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mod6: Ok while I work on this for a while, I'll pull that bundle down. Should have one up sometime in the next few days to a week.
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:38:25; mircea_popescu: (which is why i'm kinda chuckling to myself every time alf goes on a rant about teh rent bezzle. sure, it sucks. imagine a world without it.)
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:39:50; mod6: One can do this for sure. The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror.
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: why did you go with a separate keys folder instead of relying on existing pubring?
phf: actually yeah. i was always curious why "trust system" that presumably is baked into keyrings is different from signing the key with your sig
phf: for fair comparison therealbitcoin loc should include relevant openssl bits
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 21:31:08; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform>had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such << speaing of which, i went to a local cinema yest. place tries real hard to be us like. they had digital projector. not only were the pixels visible with naked eye from middle of room, but
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:42:59; mircea_popescu: as intended, every v installation includes a step where user securely populates his pubkey dir.
phf: or that there's wire to begin with, or that he has a fur hat, or some semblance of warm clothes. or the "sharapov and the bandit part 5" style of print
phf: i guess that's kind of like seeing conan the barbarian cover on beowulf
mod6: asciilifeform: <+mod6> Ok while I work on this for a while, I'll pull that bundle down. Should have one up sometime in the next few days to a week.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like what other ways ? you're not willing to spend 12 hours a day beating them
phf: biggest disappointment of visiting northrop grumman one time-- no auto-turrets. i thought surely there if nowhere else.
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 21:20:00; mircea_popescu: how'd that work danielpbarron ?
mircea_popescu: you seem to be of the same persuasion of the good folk making "bitpurse.io".
mircea_popescu: "oh, forger the hard problems involved while i focus on painting the fence! that'll do it!"
mircea_popescu: if it were as simple as orc = black we'd have long exterminated the blacks and be living in paradise
mircea_popescu: <phf> asciilifeform: why did you go with a separate keys folder instead of relying on existing pubring? << more calmly explained, because pgp is marked for death. we're working deliberately towards replacing it.
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phf: i gather as much from elsewhere in the logs
mircea_popescu: by face or by post devirgination remains irrespective.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'dlp' (mems array) with laser illumination. less than 1k usd when it was new. << un minimo respeto por el imbeciliator! argentina no es un pais pobre porque es rico en recursos umanos.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: your working projector intended for a home was 1k new, their "cinema multiplexo!11" projector was prolly 2k and they bought it on time, so paid 5k or w/e.
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mircea_popescu: anyway. the problem is not identification in the sense of this x = the x we know to be ok.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that given a facebook friendlist of 50k imbecile 20something females who, if asked "like to read" and then if pressed are apparently unaware that books EVEN HAVE AUTHORS
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (where we get 'ninjas wear black') << weren't ninjas wearing black because convention for "not visible" ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i hear that not-breeding-them-in-the-first-place also worked great <<< how the fuck are you gonna manage this wonder. so you select a woman. and her spawn will... regress to the mean. of course. and she'll love it anwyay. of course. and now what ?
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much the only thing working to starve reddit into submission.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in the old-fashioned, meatspace, dunbar sense. << the OTHER problem with this is that there isn't eno9ugh space in the dunbar-based graph to cram everything you need.
mircea_popescu: even something as tiny as a porn studio will not be served by the model.
mircea_popescu: modest studio = 6 camera people + 9 or so trainees ; about two dozen fluffers + administrative assistants ; about 2-300 models ; cleanning and maintenance crew ; execs and other suits.
mircea_popescu: and this is not even fucking paramount or nlc ; and those are jack shit, basically they produce footage, big whoop. try making an atomic dirigible next.
mircea_popescu: while designing a rocket factory that also produces jam.
mircea_popescu: this arbitrary division is naught but naivite in a wrapper.
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you no ustard could discern anything from his own shit.
mircea_popescu: people like the orcs themselves are eversoslighty better at it\
mircea_popescu: but at the massive cost of not doing anything worth the mention ever.
mircea_popescu: a la cecens. they can distinguish non-worthy dogfucker, yes.
mircea_popescu: problem is, they distinguish him by how he doesn't fuck goats like they all doi.
mircea_popescu: but it does not automatically make the emplaced system unoptimal.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, also wheree you live, anything but oxygen respiration is forbidden by biology.
mircea_popescu: you're still free to associate. buy a building, let your own slavegirls populate it frere of charge.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
mircea_popescu: and in yet another branch off this tree, im not even sure your ideas of selection would be a net positive.
mircea_popescu: only ppl with science degrees after 2010 ? my degree is fucking philosophy.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yeah. except the absence of this freedom is no proof that the freedom would benefit, and your hypotheses as presented are unpersuasive.
mircea_popescu: and since we're picking on the structure of reality, why not the freedom to be a different height. maybe if you could experiment with height you'd have more pleasant urinatory experiences or who knows what.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, you know the joke with the short guy in the public restroom ?
mircea_popescu: a tall guy that has visible parkinson and a short guy happen in the same restroom
mircea_popescu: so yeah, if only we could experiment with height i could fuck throats standing.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile if you're curious and bored, read the coupla excellent mongraphs re life in london cca 1800.
mircea_popescu: that was a place where very much such freedom to experiment.
mircea_popescu: all the coats were gray from all the home heating expwerimentation, and 40% of the population lived off processing garbage.\
mircea_popescu: maybe part of why they got fucking exterminated like cows was that they LIVED LIKE FUCKING COWS ?????
mircea_popescu: i dunnop that there existed anything more offensive than the jewish ghetto of eastern europe cca 1920.
mircea_popescu: and that was a rather direct result of "freedom to experiment".
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mircea_popescu: the people in those various times were supported by earnest empire.
mircea_popescu: loo kwhat the chinese coolie earned in singapore in the same times.
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mircea_popescu: "Gmail Para Tu Negocio Ahora podés verte más profesional con un e-mail personalizado."
mircea_popescu: the irony being that they exactly got it : these fucktards actually believe gonzalez@gmail.com is "moar professional".
mircea_popescu: just like bums drag around broken iphones. they might not work, but fuck, he's practically like almost one step removed from actual humanity. those great fabulous half-god creatures that actually use iphones and actually have professions.
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mircea_popescu: ustardian so far lost in this "telling your own story" pipe dream, can't even tell a story anymore.
mircea_popescu: where's the "and then i harassed some nurses" chapter in the man's own rendering of his saga ?
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BingoBoingo: What they don't tell people about the pipe dream is what really goes through the pipe
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes keep the blog posts acomin' please !
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 20:07:23; asciilifeform: intimidation of chumps, as in 'lie detector', will take care of two thirds of the 'patients'
pete_dushenski: still haven't seen the movie with nicholson et al. but it's supposed to be a decent flick, if not the most accurate of transpositions
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 20:09:50; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: fingerprints were 'debunked' in the 1900s
pete_dushenski: the commie pretty much hung himself last week in saying that he'd defend niqabists. the incumbent conservative told the pakis to pack their bags, essentially affirming that this is a christian country with christian values
pete_dushenski: i should say, 'one of the commies', there are two main commie parties in canada : 'new democratic party' and 'liberal party'
phf: pete_dushenski: i don't know how successful kesey was at capturing the mind of a schizophrenic, but he certainly was good at relaying an inner state of an acid head. the movie is something else entirely, but still great, since it's basically jack nicholson playing his only role at his best.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: but harper (conservative incumbent) is essentially correct, so no huge shock that he's increased his lead in polls. it's his to lose and he hasn't tripped up yet. not bad after a decade in power, really.
pete_dushenski: and i'll take your word for it on nicholson. strangely, i've only seen him in 'batman', 'anger management', and 'the departed', which were all when he was older. past his prime clearly.
pete_dushenski: i guess batman was 1989 but god help me if i can remember that movie
phf: it's my favorite batman :) there's a word in russian, kapustnik, which is basically a movie or a festival, where a bunch of strong and famous performers get together to ham it up for fun
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phf: i rewatched it recently, and it's one of those movies that's awesome when you're 12, and then you see just how bad it is, when you're past your 20s
pete_dushenski: phf: seems like the majority of woody allen movies fall into the 'kapstnik' camp
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 20:20:41; ben_vulpes: no, they won't do anything to anyone cheating emissions tests.
phf: oh that makes sense, i've never thought of his movies that way, but he'd obviously be familiar with the form, being konigsberg
pete_dushenski had to look up 'konigsberg', found that it's both a baltic port city ~and~ woody allen's pre-filmstar surname
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assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 21:21:42; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use. << right right. cholesterol is bad for you except its good for you and salt is bad except its good and hey, as long as they got "science" what difference does it make that they're 100% consensused on opposite things every 30 years.
pete_dushenski: 99% science-free prosecution ! guaranteed or your money back !
phf: but anyway nicholson in his early carrier basically has only one character, there's the pure form of that character in one flew..., there's the scary version in the shining and there's the funny version in the witches of eastwick, if you watch these three movies you'll be basically experience the entire nicholson acting range :>
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 21:48:18; kakobrekla: high expectations are problematic for any movie
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assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 21:42:49; phf: went to a movie theater to see The Martian. i only ever watch movies when in-wot recommend something enough, so i didn't realize how bad a movie can be, and this was one of the worst movies i've ever seen. snl "you can do anything" skit done with a straightface.. in space! but anyway, they've replaced all the regular rows, with reclining sits, and you can push the button for the sit to recline. i was
pete_dushenski: i had the same overhyped vibe from 'interstellar', which was pointedly atrocious.
pete_dushenski: maybe if you were completely unfamiliar with the scifi genre, such as it is (asimov, heinlein, clarke, etc.) then it might pass the sniff test. but good god did i find it offensively bad. just spoonfeeding the viewer like they were fresh out of the womb.
pete_dushenski: after 'interstellar', which i didn't even pay to see !, there's no way i'd see 'the martian', free or not.
phf: same issue with the martian. a mix of obsessive askreddit style scientism with startrek handwaiving, lots of things explained through exposition dialogue, lots of feel good "america! nasa! feelings!". zero value as a movie. i mean, there's an underdog character who Figures It Out and then he can be a complete aspy to The Big Boss, because he's now recognized as an authority
pete_dushenski: ya sorta figured as much. if i wanted a propaganda movie i'd watch triumph des willens again.
pete_dushenski: but hey, showing hitler's 1935 classic wouldn't break box office records for the umpteenth billion time this year... or would it ?
phf: thing is, unless bad scifi movies, where you have plot, babes and action, this is clearly targeted at the new nerds. like agile consultants at web startups, who follow nasa twitter? ain't no way this nation ever getting to mars, is my conclusion from watching this movie.
pete_dushenski: the kind for whom a pilgrimage to mecca is visiting comic-con in california, yes
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assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 00:58:15; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'dlp' (mems array) with laser illumination. less than 1k usd when it was new. << un minimo respeto por el imbeciliator! argentina no es un pais pobre porque es rico en recursos umanos.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 01:11:38; asciilifeform: say, 'i want to live only with folks who graduated with science degrees before 2010'
pete_dushenski: though why you'd want to specifically live next to the idjits like me too stubborn not to drop out, i dunno
pete_dushenski: i think selecting for science/engineering drop-outs (2+ years, not 1 week) would be more fruitful.
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assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 01:15:03; mircea_popescu: only ppl with science degrees after 2010 ? my degree is fucking philosophy.
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assbot: 45yo EM Physician Reflects Back Upon 4.0 GPA in College While Manually Disimpacting Patient | GomerBlog ... (
http://bit.ly/1G88c9z )
pete_dushenski: Next he was handed a chart to begin assessing his next patient for a chief complaint of “left eyebrow pain for 10 minutes”." << lolz.
assbot: I do ... not really: young Argentinians spurn real weddings for fake ones | World news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1G8aBRy )
pete_dushenski: "sham ceremonies offer unparalleled chances to meet new potential partners. “It’s easier to meet someone at a fake wedding,” says Boniface. “I’d walk up and introduce myself as a cousin of the groom, and the girls immediately fell into their role. It’s like a game everyone joins in.”" << no es un pais pobre, es un pais de jugadores !
☟︎ pete_dushenski: coming to a norteamericano dance hall near you in 2025
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punkman: from fake wedding link: “It all started two years ago with a group of friends: we realized we hadn’t been to a wedding in a long time because hardly anybody is getting married anymore,” << and this was a problem that needed fixing????!!
punkman: "A typical “fake wedding” hosts about 600 or 700 paying guests" * $50 = $30k, say the venue charges $25 per head, that's a lot of pesos leftover
punkman: "Hired actors play the bride, groom and a surprise third party: a spurned lover or secret boyfriend who arrives “unexpectedly” – and with dramatic results."
punkman: I guess that's fun if you are into soaps
fluffypony: this sounds like a dumb version of those murder mystery dinners
punkman: I'd go if the theme was "rosemary's baby" or something
punkman: "[$400m] will be doled out slowly, however, says Mr. Ravikant, so as not to overwhelm the market. In the first year, AngelList will disperse about $20 million of the money, ramping up to $50 million a year in subsequent years." and "on a recent trip to China, two different limited partners each offered him $500 million, but “we’re limited in how much capital we can absorb,”"
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jurov: punkman imo the keyword is "burn rate"
punkman: jurov: but why did he turn down a billion from the chinese?
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assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:06:28; pete_dushenski: still haven't seen the movie with nicholson et al. but it's supposed to be a decent flick, if not the most accurate of transpositions
danielpbarron: I don't know about this "acting range" of nicholson, but Chinatown is a great film staring him
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mircea_popescu goes to check out ba log, types lol. is surprised nothing comes up. fixes to log. gets the log.
mircea_popescu: apparently my brain decided to cut to the chase, what "log", you're clearly going for the day's lols!
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jurov: punkman: they are aiming for certain burn rate extent. anything below *and above* it won't cut it
jurov: i learned that thanks to reptilia and his sauna conference :D
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jurov: nooo, only read the fallout
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hdbuck: good day mircea_popescu
hdbuck: i’ve been researching mpex stocks, through btc-alpha mostly and mpex, but the informations seems divergent as per the divs distributed
jurov: yes, mircea himself has problems sometimes :)
hdbuck: why woudl the info on mpex says 132.98367617 BTC on 18-09-15//Per share: 26 satoshi. but the latest monthly statement says Profit : 274.20932881 BTC
hdbuck: maybe i missed something
mike_c: not all the shares are on mpex
mike_c: so not all the profit is distributed there as dividends
hdbuck: what is the ratio then?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00048689 = 2.8483 BTC [+]
hdbuck: ah i see, any chance you would update them on btc-alpha? also volumes would be appreciated.
mike_c: what were you asking me to update on btcalpha?
hdbuck: the ratio of mpex shares that get divs
mike_c: see, half of s.mpoe shares are on mpex, so dividends are paid there.
mike_c: the other half are *not* on mpex, and the dividends are paid elsewhere.
hdbuck: i see, so the other half being hold by mp right?
mike_c: they aren't. mircea has a mpex account too
thestringpuller: mike_c: guess I have to add up the shares sold by owner based on trilema
mike_c: the other half held by mp in case of mpex, yes
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hdbuck: also, as i understand trading via irc allows mpex to be more resilient, woudltn it be nice tho to make a more user friendly website for, say more advertizing > traffic > trades > revenues ?
mike_c: that's what coinbr is for
mike_c: talk to jurov if you don't like the logo
hdbuck: yes, i just created an account there, but i mean, i’d personally argue it lacks some charts, no offense tho.
hdbuck: thestringpuller yes sure, i understand, i’d still value some trade volumes to estimate the liquidity of the stocks there
mike_c: i'll add it to the todo list
hdbuck: anyway, been a long time since i lurked, i think you guys are quite outsmarting the corporatist wannabes, and i like the sorta outraging honesty approach. so thanks.
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hdbuck: thestringpuller yes very humbly
hdbuck: and with the assistance of bingoboingo :)
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mircea_popescu: <hdbuck> maybe i missed something << only half the shares get actually traded.
hdbuck: mircea_popescu got it, ty, while im still at it, maybe you could enlighten me as therealbtf client.. how am i supposed to make it work?
hdbuck: well, im not even sure where to start with ^^
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:12:18; phf: pete_dushenski: i don't know how successful kesey was at capturing the mind of a schizophrenic, but he certainly was good at relaying an inner state of an acid head. the movie is something else entirely, but still great, since it's basically jack nicholson playing his only role at his best.
mircea_popescu: tho he does a lot of these "actual old/wounded male interacting with fucktarded us women" things.
mircea_popescu: i forgot what the one is where he fucks a woman's twennysomething daughter and then ends up marring the woman.
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assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:20:24; pete_dushenski: phf: seems like the majority of woody allen movies fall into the 'kapstnik' camp
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:29:18; phf: but anyway nicholson in his early carrier basically has only one character, there's the pure form of that character in one flew..., there's the scary version in the shining and there's the funny version in the witches of eastwick, if you watch these three movies you'll be basically experience the entire nicholson acting range :>
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:35:59; pete_dushenski: that's MY 3 hours, goddamit.
mircea_popescu has to date walked out on > 80% of performances in buenos aires, of all kinds.
mircea_popescu: and the ones where i stayed it was mostly because table and alcohol.
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assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 05:02:06; pete_dushenski: i think selecting for science/engineering drop-outs (2+ years, not 1 week) would be more fruitful.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296821 << that's not the problem, i don't need you to let me in. the problem is that you don't have the means to distinguish between one "humanities" and another humanities. that's the fucking problem. you can sort out a bad engineer in all of five minutes, just ask pointed questions.
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assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 06:35:13; pete_dushenski: "sham ceremonies offer unparalleled chances to meet new potential partners. “It’s easier to meet someone at a fake wedding,” says Boniface. “I’d walk up and introduce myself as a cousin of the groom, and the girls immediately fell into their role. It’s like a game everyone joins in.”" << no es un pais pobre, es un pais de jugadores !
mircea_popescu: it's a european festival thing with ancient tradition, if you will.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 08:29:48; punkman: I don't understand this
mircea_popescu: "The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think women especially will heart it. "
mircea_popescu: seems the two parties are finding an amiable solution. win-win as they say : china is more than happy to own the ground, and us is more than happy to continue pretending indefinitely.
mircea_popescu: this is practically rome conquering greece. tho im kinda curious to see if the us actually has in it anything OTHER than byzantium.
mircea_popescu: "The final piece of the puzzle is a bonkers fiscal environment driving capital misallocation on a scale that tiny shot-pulling brains simply cannot wrap themselves around. Take Adam, Bill, and Charlie: three young men who all attended Harvard together, and went into finance seperately."
mircea_popescu: me likes the way ben_vulpes's stylistics is distilling itself over time.
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mircea_popescu: (thing is amusingly reminescent of how various people keep asking me what i pay in rent and expect a number. as if that's how it fucking works, somehow.)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so i started on that medium article, by the 2nd paragraph i was skimming, by the 8th or so i bailed. i guess not the demo.
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mircea_popescu: "However, not all women are the target demo of Randi's lip synching, the CEO of General Dynamics is a woman, I think she has a higher security clearance than the entire Senate, and I know for a fact she builds alien spaceships, why not interview her about how she uses social media to promote her brand and make connections and break ceilings? Because there's no Like button for hard work or triple integrals, which is do
mircea_popescu: ubly interesting because calculus was invented to make hard work easier."
mircea_popescu: fucking ballas. he's like this crazy drug addled chick you knew when you were a teen and STILL catch up with occasionally because hot damn...
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how is rent not a scalar?
mircea_popescu: " I'll grant that there is some level of bonding that occurs between women over baby pictures, worth exploring later, but not for men: men will only (and rarely) show photos of their children doing something, the activity is what represents the kid as kid and them as a parent. Showing a man a baby picture is equivalent to showing a woman a picture of his car. "A #baby is more important than a car, dontcha think?" Ye
mircea_popescu: s, but a picture of a baby isn't more important than a picture of a car. "Yeah, but--" I know. Logic is mean. "
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 15:36:41; mircea_popescu: (thing is amusingly reminescent of how various people keep asking me what i pay in rent and expect a number. as if that's how it fucking works, somehow.)
phf: "how do i put it in the terms you understand? an apartment for $300 a month. -- whoa! how do i get that? -- sure, so 5 apartments in this building, 7 year contract, i'll give you a 25% discount, that'll be $94.5k. my secretary will give your secretary ach routing details."
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ascii_field: i hear it's even cheaper if you inherit it...
mircea_popescu: or, as it more often the case "you know, i still owe you on that grain deal. if only you actually wanted any of the shit i have." "well actually i'm moving to argentina" "omfg yes. would you like an apartment ?"
mircea_popescu: by the time you're done alf will have done his routing by hand.
mircea_popescu: incidentallty, this is why "corruption" aka elite networks are both a needed as well as an efficient control on capitalism.
mircea_popescu: by making the mathematical approach to many pricing problems unfeasible, they prevent undesirable mechanization.
mircea_popescu: otherwise derps will go right on into the swamp of mechanised trust / resource allocation / doom on a stick.
ascii_field: by this logic, mircea_popescu oughta love the soviet system
ascii_field: where nothing of any value or import was 'retail-mechanized'
mircea_popescu: i loved the soviet system except for the parts where it deeply misunderstood elite.
ascii_field: (want a set of tyres? have a good phriend)
ascii_field: and here i thought mircea_popescu believed in 'who is in the elite seat, is the elite'
mircea_popescu: no qualms with that. and he who is in the driver seat is the driver. excuse me while i don't stick around with sweving cars.
mircea_popescu: also importantly, "by making the mathematical approach to many pricing problems unfeasible". MANY. not all. not "set of tyres" necessarily.
ascii_field: i'm prepared to explain re: the pubkeys, it is really very simple
mircea_popescu: why do i look at a woman's ass ? ask me that, go in the corner on knees on rice.
ascii_field: because they are the root of the trust circuit
mircea_popescu: "why are you looking at woman's ass ?" "because it is in the middle of my interest."
mircea_popescu: WHY is it the root! what the fuck is this, the game of calling things things ?
ascii_field: anyway prolly ought to have called it 'axiomatic'
ascii_field: as in, having the proper pubkeys makes everything else non-spoofable
ascii_field: but there is no mechanical means of establishing that you have them.
ascii_field: some axioms give you euclid, others - timecube.
ascii_field: (and, by extension, with the notion that they are equivalent)
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah, i like dating but hate crazy bitches. sure.
mircea_popescu: they ARE equivalent. a picture of a car IS equivalent to a picture of a slut even if a car and a slut are not equivalent. axioms are just that, axioms. arbitrary statements for no reason with no cause.
mircea_popescu: in so being, they also become a descriptor of your worth as a being. there's no good reason to pick any set nor a good method to find out which to pick.
ascii_field: because we discard, or emplace, axioms, based on whether we get timecube or skyscraper.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, i can make a summary statement of calculus that reads exactly like timecube for the first half. after which it starts falling into place.
mircea_popescu: heck, it's practically done already, newton raves madly for most of the lenght.
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ascii_field: ^ any to any other reversers or aspiring reversers.
ascii_field toils in this uranium mine. 'ask him anything' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: " Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where, say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram? Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable? What is the cost? I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. t
mircea_popescu: he price of food stamps. Other correct responses would be $700/mo for "some high school" (SSI) or $1500/mo for "previous work experience" (unemployment). I would have accepted $2000/mo for "minorities" (jail) for partial credit."
ascii_field: 'Here's the other side's example: when they talk about raising taxes on the rich, why do they pick a "low" point and push it higher? Should the highest rates be at $250k/yr? $300k? Another way of doing it, which is precisely why they cannot do it, is start at the top and move down. "We need $1T. Ok, top five guys pay 90%. Not enough? How about top ten guys pay 90%. Not enough? Top...." I'm not advocating this or
ascii_field: any other policy, not my place, I am pointing out that doing it the way it's done protects the 1% by letting the Aspirational 14%-- who crave recognition and are easily identifiable and hatable because they are poseurs, just of a different kind-- act as human shields. They take the bullets, the unknown mega-rich take tinted window rides to the Hamptons.'
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jurov: ^^^ where are the quotations from?
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mircea_popescu: "If this seems implausible to you, which it must-- that's exactly the point of it-- consider the following extreme analogy, which surprisingly will be easier to understand, which is also the whole point: Say your father raped you repeatedly for a decade. Hold on, slow down, it gets worse: now you're 40, and he shows up asking you for $2400 because, and I quote, "you have a responsibility to take care of me." There h
mircea_popescu: e is in your living room, eyeballing the nice things in your home. If it is a fact that you will inevitably give him the money, is it easier to for you to pair it with your venom or your sympathy? Though it's enraging, there is a perverse pleasure in giving that bastard the money. It tells you that you showed him that you are better than him."
mircea_popescu: but for the record, this "perverse pleasure" is strictly a ustardian thing.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that was one of the times when i thought 'wtf is this'
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mircea_popescu: it's a fruit off the same bizarro tree of their sexuality.
ascii_field: would this be something like a 1-man version of human wave attack?
ascii_field: what would happen? cpu overheats from attempting gluttony and lust at same time ?
mircea_popescu: too busy pretending something or the other, as the case may be.
ascii_field: tlp's usa exists. but i am stuck reading about it in the fishwrap.
ascii_field: because i do not personally walk around in it.
ascii_field: not everyone is 'ironic hipster' or has ever seen one outside of pictures.
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mircea_popescu: tbh i think his grasp of the fargo demographic is much better than his grasp of cali.
shinohai: I liked the writing style, I bookmarked for future reading thanx!
mircea_popescu: "You might think that the rage is the spark for a transformation of America, a full scale Dagny Taggart meltdown or Bolshevik revolution, depending on your hat. That's not how it works. If this is narcissism, then its purpose is protecting identity, defending against change. Doesn't matter what side you think you're on, unless you are unplugged you are for the status quo."
shinohai: mircea_popescu gets mentioned for a year-old article?
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shinohai: "It should be noted that Longtime Bitcoin Entrepreneur Mircea Popescu also shared his own account of Bitcoin adoption in Argentina roughly a year ago. His full teardown of the idea that Bitcoin is taking off in Argentina can be read on his blog."
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ascii_field: same site also hosts marvels like 'A New Block Size Increase BIP is Planned for the ‘Rough Consensus’ from Montreal' and 'The Josh Garza Interview: Organized Crime, Threats and Is He In America?'
shinohai: Never said we had Pulitzer-prize winning journalism here.
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assbot: The news wants to do a story on the $500 computer Bitcoin lock hack. Does anyone know anyone affected by this? : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1G24DlG )
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pete_dushenski: also, hanbot makes an excellent point that pi is widely know to at least 8 decimal places afaik
ascii_field: (everyone with even a passing interest in mnemonics, at least in the english world, knows this one)
pete_dushenski is currently shopping for 'quiet' mechanical keyboard and/or soundproof interior doors.
pete_dushenski: not happy about this shopping adventure. but i guess i'm not as rich as i thought i was.
pete_dushenski: house isn't multiple hundreds of square metres on multiple floors.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: line the door with acoustic cork.
ascii_field: vendors which supply musical studios will have this.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: you don't know how tickled this idea has me :)
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: you can get 19-inch racks lined with cork, with acoustic baffles for the exhaust (think auto muffler or pistol silencer)
pete_dushenski: and less depressing than giving up model m for some 'das keyboard'
nubbins`: i can't keep track. we had turkey yesterday
pete_dushenski: i'd sooner gamble on the outcome than show up to the booth
nubbins`: green party can't win without people like you
pete_dushenski: sounds like the green party needs me more than i need them
assbot: Mummers, potato sacks and clown masks: Why people are voting in silly face coverings - Politics - CBC News ... (
http://bit.ly/1G2bhs9 )
nubbins`: smth tells me BingoBoingo would find humour in this also
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i almost expect there to appear some idiot rob-peter-pay-paul scheme where plebes' petrol cars have to spin wheels on a treadmill to charge some eloi's 'tesla', in lieu of parking fee, or the like
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:09:35; pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296418 << this identification issue is quite the hot button item in canadian federal politics atm, mostly surrounding the use of the niqab by new immigrants during citizenship swearing-in ceremonies.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: that's basically 'vw emissions test protocol'
BingoBoingo: "I needed to be somewhere by 6 p.m., and all of the active chargers were full. I couldn't plug in all day," he said. "There was a Volt that appeared to be finished charging, so I unplugged it so I could get a half-hour boost. The Volt isn't pure electric -- it also has a gasoline engine. The next day, I learned that the Volt owner was furious, and he sent out this email blast saying that I stole his charge. It was awful."
ascii_field: it sounds batshit, to an engineer, say, but logically follows from 'easy to steal == phree!!!' formula.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Mummer is a kinda Mardi Gras thing
pete_dushenski: "Keefe had to leave his 'ugly stick' at the door. The homemade musical instrument is popular in mummer tradition. (Courtesy of Jon Keefe)" << nubbins`! you're famous !
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pete_dushenski: davout: "According to Schneier it costed ~$3mn in 2012 to find an arbitrary SHA1 collision." << cost
☟︎ jurov: yes. and was the problem tackled that i'm apparently expected to have one key for next 40+ years?
nubbins`: the point that i shouldn't have to expose my body to some random gov employee in order to exercise my charter rights was lost on many
pete_dushenski: jurov: why one key ? can't you make new key just before current one expires and sign old key over to new key ?
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 21:32:19; mircea_popescu: if you can upgrade your key for free, you don't have to pay mpex, you can just find someone with a key they don't want to use anymore and they can "upgrade" theirs to yours.
mircea_popescu: jurov you're also expected to have the same penis for the next40+ years.
jurov: yes, my penis looks substantially differently than 2y ago
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jurov: not usable for identification
mircea_popescu: well not for identification, but still, suable for what it's used for.
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mircea_popescu: i suppose the elephant in the room sort of point we've been avoiding is this :
mircea_popescu: that given the known weaknesses of the pgp protocol as it is, the only responsible manner of using it is to include an index in every signed item, and to increment it by one every time you sign anything.
jurov: how is it different from expiry date?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field because if i say "no messages with index past 500 may be signed by this key" the key actually is verifdiably dead.
mircea_popescu: jurov because the date at which a message was signed is not verifiable.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: say enemy captures key. signs whatever he likes, with indices you've already used.
ascii_field: then points to your material, says 'this is fake'
ascii_field: if he is sitting on your wire, and silently drops your message, replaced with his...
ascii_field: but yes, the basic scheme is one that i described before
mircea_popescu: anyway. an enemy sitting on your wire in possession of your key is no enemy at all. he's your wife, like it or not.
ascii_field: (does anyone have the link handy where i described this scheme ?)
jurov: regardless, keys will need to be deprecated and upgraded somehow
ascii_field: jurov: in this scheme, you can 'blow' a key when it is time, by churning through its remaining shots
mircea_popescu: jurov what's wrong with a deed saying "this is my new keyt" ?
ascii_field: (publishing garbage signed thereby, with the serial number incrementing)
jurov: that you are not accepting it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not so sure how smart that is. garbage is interpretable.
☟︎ ascii_field: jurov, mircea_popescu: iirc mircea_popescu did not accept refreshed subkeys either
ascii_field: because 1) he would have to send a shuttle to his orbital station to swap out the ROM with the old key 2) people could sell mpex accounts!!111111
nubbins`: the wisdom of buying a private key is left as an exercise to the reader
ascii_field: nubbins`: this was an ancient thread. mircea_popescu explained that if people could update keys of mpex account, it would become practical to sell 'secondhand'
mircea_popescu: anyway, it allows you to update it. the idea that others would accept your update on your own terms and for free is bizarre and i guess unwarranted. going forward i imagine moist everything will be financed through fees on key updates. such as say assbot.
mircea_popescu: puts the cost of security right where it belongs : on the key owner.
nubbins`: added benefit of being L1, too
ascii_field: the flip side of this is that civil-death-by-dint-of-key-compromise will become a thing.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you get a disaster of commons situation where 5k services are stuck doing things because you were bored one evening. that might work for a woman's book club\
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 22:11:29; mircea_popescu: ascii_field not so sure how smart that is. garbage is interpretable.
jurov: ^ wiki material here. but i don't have acct
ascii_field: (i.e., we ~think~ we are decrypting garbage, but who knows what it is. perhaps nsa killed kakobrekla and the next auth token is actually using the symmetric key header from your last transmission to the satellite !!)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it includes a plaintext field for this reason.
jurov: btw, instead of sequence number i'd use hash of previous signature
ascii_field: the other thing, you are not decrypting the string !
mircea_popescu: 22:36:14 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:be692bd7a8864924c2526b0f2b72dd90baebc89bf10b131ff925358764b9be
mircea_popescu: the text is "assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:blabla"
ascii_field: but what you actually decrypted with rsa was a random blob
jurov: how chaining them by hash makes them mutable?
mircea_popescu: jurov well you wouldn't know in advance. maybe 3 is unreleased and you see 2 and 4
ascii_field: say hitler has killed poor kakobrekla. and really, really needs one of mircea_popescu's pgpgrams decrypted.
jurov: mircea_popescu: when 4 will contain hash of 3 and 3 must contain hash of 2
jurov: then space for forgery diminishes dramatically
ascii_field: so he modifies assbot so that the next time mircea_popescu is given otp token, it is actually carrying the rsa-enciphered symmetric key from $message
jurov: which will be own field and goes into the signature
jurov: thus, you have to create a collision to forge valid 3 later
jurov: 4 will be in deedbot
jurov: you want *all* singed matter to be public in that order?
mircea_popescu: no, but if the number reads "4" you don't need to be shown the deed with number 3 to know 4 is a valid number.
jurov: okay, then there can be both serial number and previous hash
mircea_popescu: kinda why the issuie is an elephant in room : we (i) dun really wanna go into it because it's such a bitch to manage and creeping featuritis 5 ways to sunday
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the basic problem is that you are decrypting $blob and, so long as the output has the expected form (and how many of us check? yes, i check. but there are folks who will pipe it straight into their irc via shellatron. yes, you know who you are
ascii_field: so long as it has expected form, it is send out.
mircea_popescu: but yes, automated security and suicide share a flavour.
mircea_popescu: can you demonstrate rsa malleability in the sense of, appending "pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:" as prefix to cyphertext ?
ascii_field: all that would be required is (yes, open problem) a particular kind of aes boojum.
mircea_popescu: iirc i have a "why you don't want to chain hashes" thing somewhere.
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punkman: btw if you don't want the signatures on your subkeys being sha1, I think --cert-digest-algo is the option that needs changing
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mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, anyone familiar with the life of this 2010 rapunzel, carrie perjean ?
mircea_popescu: miss california / miss usa aspirant, asked by that slime perez hilton what she thinks of same sex marriages, didn't have the presence of mind to tell the old fag to stuff it with the bullying, as this is about hot young women not about wrinkly old poofs nobody would fuck with a loaned goat penis,
mircea_popescu: after which litigation, sex tapes, and finally married an ex nfl quarterback.
mircea_popescu: funny how many people discover they really got nothing to say once the gate is there.
nubbins`: "If I was in their shoes, I'd..." ...suck just like they do
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assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 22:51:13; punkman: btw if you don't want the signatures on your subkeys being sha1, I think --cert-digest-algo is the option that needs changing
punkman: I don't see any mention of sha1 in the rfc regarding subkey sigs etc
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punkman: well I'm more worried about subkey shenanigans than someone finding a collision for my fingerprint
mircea_popescu: "subkey shenanigans" are EXACTLY what "someone finding a collision for your fp" means.
mircea_popescu: it's not like the distinction is in any way meaningful. it's pure bullshit, which is one of the major reasons the pgp "standard" is so borken. there's no actual enforcing of the notions it then purports to expose to the verbal world.