mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, my personal node is again fully sync'd and chugging along. I have re-added it to the list of advertised republican nodes.
mod6: werd, thanks for the hard-work & update tho asciilifeform
mod6: np, take your time.
mod6: one question that I was thinking about today... I know we've been over this a few times before... but did Pizarro ever put in a formal order for say, 100 more FGs?
mod6: perhaps I just need to do some log searching. feel free to tell me just to hit the logs.
mod6: right, but I had thought that perhaps s.nsa was gonna have smore baked, if there was a formal order for moarar.
mod6: sure. 1MB/s would be amazing considering we're currently running ~7k/s
mod6: I think we've got enough to get us by for the time being. but if we do a rockchip order of 96 or whatever, then we're gonna be short by something like 60. (given each rc customer would take like 1 fg eac)
mod6: np, have a good night.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sitting in customs with the ssds
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hey BingoBoingo , does this box have FG ? i dun see a /dev/ttyUSB0 << I installed 2
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ty for the arms- and leg-work BingoBoingo << No problem
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 22:55 asciilifeform: trinque: lemme get this straight, your script does 0 with kernel modules ? expectation is that there ain't any ?
trinque: seems upon the man building the kernel for allcomers to justify himself, as my kernels are narrower
trinque: but aside that, pretty fucking cool you stood the thing up, as it was a scrape of my workbench into tarball and sig
trinque: not bad for running to a flight hours later
trinque: as for initramfs-ism, it has its place (i.e. embedded systems with peculiar root, squashfs + overlayfs or the like)
trinque: other than that, I'd be curious why the hell the kernel wasn't capable of pulling an adult root up itself. usually this is because the kernel was again, built for allcomers, or more specifically for linux users afraid of configuring a kernel (present company excluded, of course). this ends.
☟︎ trinque: asciilifeform: looking forward to your feedback on the thing, which we'll work into a final product
trinque has a kernel baking post coming soon, in response to PeterL
trinque: I do in fact have an initramfs tool also sitting on desk. portage makes it rather easy to blast ebuilds into an arbitrary chroot at install
trinque: so, can install busybox this way, user hand-rolls a script (perhaps from template), and this is as much initramfs as anyone oughta need
trinque: oh, this exists, and is going into my post
trinque: will take build machine's /proc/config.gz and cement
trinque: err.. been a long day. it does respect what actually loaded
mircea_popescu: incidentally... i can't fucking believe the 2010s failed to produce a pornstar named justine beaver.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re ssh key, pizarro already has mine, just use that one; re box: I've read through the logs and in the end I'm still confused as to *what* is in there now - is it musltronic system or not?
diana_coman: cool, will wait for the summary + access then
ave1: Some thought about the zero footprint / minimal runtime image.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's on, you wrote it while I was writing mine and it got into the moderating queue
diana_coman: ah, you usually use your name so it's first time it saw your nick, hence -> moderating
diana_coman: asciilifeform, will do; atm I'm gathering all the stuff from the log; wouldn't it make more sense next time to just send it together with access stuff? I get it that some parts were of public interest too but they can be discussed anyway, with ref to a paste of the stuff if needed
diana_coman: re vtools fwiw I pressed it fine with traditional vtron
diana_coman: yes, hence my "I get it that some parts were of public interest too but they can be discussed anyway, with ref to a paste of the stuff if needed "
BingoBoingo: Do my hands need to do anything to the box? Unplug things, etc?
deedbot: brazilish voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-04 19:41 mircea_popescu: brazilish considering how much you're worth atm, it'll be good enough for now. can always switch it out later.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo access to box & config confirmed; FG on ttysUSB0 had a wobble at first and I don't understand why: I ran the stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok and then tried dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 | hexdump -C but nothing came up; then I ran the stty on usb1 as well and tried again and it...worked; any idea wtf was that at first?
☟︎ diana_coman: nope, no such thing as usual brazilian guy
diana_coman: brazilish, register a key if you want to be any sort of person around here
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, I will certainly carry out the tests ofc but this was what I observed atm
BingoBoingo: On this box one of the FG cables is the blue guy that came with my personal FG, the other is the new style black snake
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Anyone care to guess what refrigerant is coursing through the new Panavox 100 liter fridge Carlos Gutiarrez just dropped off?
trinque:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833748 << this I did to allow building the system as a USB-attached external drive, which could later be plugged in as primary hd and still boot. recall I started my gentoo experiments with "infectious gentoo" as a target
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 11:36 asciilifeform: trinque's original also does something i consider ugly, it allows lilo to refer to disks/partitions by 'uuid' rather than device path, imho this should not be done ( it resembles poettering's warcrime against nic device names, and makes hand-tuning needlessly difficult )
mod6: ^ that'd be cool, then can have both ways
trinque: this and the number of cpus, and perhaps others as args, yes
a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 11:24 asciilifeform: hey trinque , is it safe to delete 'cuntoo' dir ( contains copy of distfiles, etc, could free ~1G ) or does it get used ?
trinque: /cuntoo dir is what I continue to work on. vtronic portage will sit in there. when released, diana_coman can replace the whole /cuntoo dir with the final item
trinque: back on the bin-packages, these become much more interesting with a reproducible-build gcc. I understand ave1's to be very close, if not there already
trinque: (there are probably fixes also needed to the binpkg system, such that i.e. timestamps of the build are not in there, ruining bit-identity)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 13:32 asciilifeform: hats off to trinque , pretty great item. ( as i understand , we will still need a troo tmsr tarballs mirror, and coupla other things. but it's a good start, 100% musltronic gentoo. )
trinque: will need others, can't have too many
a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 13:36 asciilifeform: 1 of the things i'd like to do, supposing trinque hasn't yet already made it, is to replace the horrid gui-laden boot usb stick currently in pizarro bilge, with a cuntoo stick.
trinque: build here meaning run the script, not hand-roll
trinque: ave1: how far away is bit-identical build in your gcc?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 04:23 trinque: other than that, I'd be curious why the hell the kernel wasn't capable of pulling an adult root up itself. usually this is because the kernel was again, built for allcomers, or more specifically for linux users afraid of configuring a kernel (present company excluded, of course). this ends.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 21:27 asciilifeform: but in that case it can be debated whether he is still using 'the same machine' as he bought, or a 'new', africanized one
mircea_popescu: (anyone ever looked into the deep piles of pantsuiticy surrounding that btw ? not just "Ubuntu - The leading operating system for PCs, IoT devices ..." on precisely 0% market share, but rather "Ubuntu philosophy - Wikipedia
mircea_popescu: Ubuntu (Zulu pronunciation: [ùɓúntʼù]) is a Nguni Bantu term meaning "humanity". It is often translated as "I am because we are," and also "humanity towards others", but is often used in a more philosophical sense to mean "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity".")
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 19:35 phf: madam blavatski and her followers did a lot of damage for years to come. it was literally in her writing that original meaning doesn't matter, as long as the translation sounds cool (there's a rationalization for why that somehow supposed to make sense)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but these are the replacement zulu, hallucinated by autistic white boys to porn up the girl next door in their own imagination.
a111: Logged on 2013-11-04 16:22 asciilifeform: to which the general replied - 'it wouldn't dare.'
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 03:18 mircea_popescu: you know, you can write your whole thought in a single line, we do actually read long lines. no reason to break up your stuff.
mircea_popescu: apparently sanity is a ~behaviour~, dependent in actual expression upon the a) presence and b) understandment of proper, sanity-inducing tools.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform halberds you mean ? that's a particularly satisfying item to use. dunno if you ever held one, but it's a mainstay for purely meritous reasons. best weapon to stand guard with, for instance, it's satisfying in the way of warm tea.
mircea_popescu: that said, it was never very practical, not even in its heyday.
mircea_popescu: the only actual field aplication where it was state of art was disposing of armored folk fallen off horse.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform jp item not halberd variant. jp item ~falx~ variant, as in the dacian weapon. very practical according to romans, either, feared the future romanians like no one else.
mircea_popescu: they adapted the falx for a siege weapon, but the original thing deployed against them / used by the dacians was a 2-3 m pole with a 30-60 cm blade cutting inside.
mircea_popescu: as you might expect, chick's way fat, way older than she claims, and cutting pics in the way of the catfisher.
mircea_popescu: a catfisher is a fat woman that tries to manipulate the camera angle and crop tools in post-edit to seem less fat.
mircea_popescu: but by extension, anyone who tries to lie visually online.
mircea_popescu: something to do with the habit of catfish to bury in mud.
mircea_popescu: tell me, and underline the distinction from short con.
mircea_popescu: a long con misdirects the victim towards a specific point ; a short con misdirects the victim without a specific point.
mircea_popescu: this is what drives the length difference : unspecific can't last.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> a catfisher is a fat woman that tries to manipulate the camera angle and crop tools in post-edit to seem less fat. << That's a fatfisher one step more offensive than mere catfishing
mircea_popescu: ie, she's going to try and get money ~before~ the flying in.
mircea_popescu: long con open tender, because what's online for. ubuntu amirite.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's an entire field. The hamplanets trying to appear as human sized is just one flavor.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure when originally introduced the striking aspect of the woman was this orca-like quality ustardian females get, where the head seems fused to the neck and the mouth promises to open wide enough to take in a live veal.
mircea_popescu: but... yeah irc was also unemployed and otherwise dependopotamus item.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, apparently it also goes by the "i don't like anything about you!!!" name.
mircea_popescu: ie, the female worldview : a) isn't she the goddess-ordained womb ? b) don't i need kids ? therefore c) i'd better give her all the moneys she says, what.
mircea_popescu: yes it's true that 100% of females being fertile, and indeed the species either reproduces or ends, it then follows that they could "organize" in the way of "labour organizing" and "demand" things.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that the minority of women for whom their intellectual value exceeds their reproductive value, this collective bargaining is a miserable life
mircea_popescu: there's no need to even dress them. cows live in shit up to their udders on an antibiotic diet, that's where the overton window is, in this negotiation.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly enough, folks get all aggitated about "social security queens" etc, dun quite grasp that what's happening is quite exactly "son, $600 a head is the best i could manage to keep the cunt churning. you can do it cheaper, go right ahead, i didn't want to use barned wire.")
mircea_popescu: cated floor washer, and some others) says, at the peak ? "i want you to have all the money". what's rose say in
http://trilema.com/2015/the-war-of-the-roses/ ? yep, that's right, "you should have all the money". originally started as a blacksploitation item (and here's our tie-in with "ubuntu, the african philosophy") -- what's willie dynamite say (to the fat, middle-aged "social worker", no less) ? "i want you to have all th
mircea_popescu: the driver, in that later case, is transparently oedipian, "just make everything like it was before". (literally, he says this). and i suspect that's why this thing even exists -- one superlative realisation of the autistic boy's refusal of the world is re-entrance into the mother's cunt.
mircea_popescu: perhaps if "he gives her all the money" this could occur ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is why you know and how you know she didn't come up with it.
mircea_popescu: it's entirely ~male~ fantasy. give the queen the kingdom, maybe that way the messengers will stop streaming towards your location ?
mircea_popescu: "what the fuck is a queen to do with a kingdom" is not contemplated here.
mircea_popescu: but obviously, she'll either end it or turn it into a queendom, what the fuck CAN she do.
mircea_popescu: willie dynamite is a great 70s flick btw. 100% of all "romantic comedies" acting and actors packed in one dude there/
mircea_popescu: he contorts that ugly nigger face like it's propelling space ships.
mircea_popescu: you know, it's the height of unfairness that items like gawker have to be ~sold~.
mircea_popescu: really, the civil code should be upgraded to include ~divorce~ for female companies.
mircea_popescu: they get the shareholder's house and "all the money" and move on to a new "cheif executive officer" set.
a111: Logged on 2014-12-08 19:04 asciilifeform: 'companies that go bankrupt are a danger to healthy competition. They are able to make their creditors and shareholders pay for their losses and bad management and then to start anew with assets that they essentially got for free, quite unlike the competition that has not gone bankrupt, who have to pay full price for their assets, but quite similar to how their customers have wanted their products, for too little money.'
mircea_popescu: anythign but life imprisonment for default on debts is rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: note how it was also the law of the land, even as late as 60s.
mircea_popescu: nah, as late as 1960 it meant "end of life" in that you became a nigger and had to sell ("voluntarily", heh) your suburban home
mircea_popescu: then and only then, and so on. the wonders of the police state rediscovered anew for each new crop of idiots.
mircea_popescu: rather the problem is that you can't have "progress" and responsible credit. gotta pick one.
mircea_popescu: "progress" renders all evaluation meaningless as a prerequisite.
mircea_popescu: well, you'd have to evaluate things. that's the fundamental dispute here. on one hand, the pantsuit, "ourdemocracy", whatever, "progressivists" how oyu'd call them (they'd preferred to be called "modern man", with an implicit hint that the modern part is spurious and they've always been all there ever was etc), which holds a strict "nothing can be meaningful, like, ever" stance.
mircea_popescu: on the other, the republic, attempting something rather in the vein of "the life among the meaningless is not worth living, so whether meaning-izing works or doesn't, it'll be done."
phf: asciilifeform: i think the alexander dumas notion of responsible credit is a reasonable thing, i.e. borrow from a handful of reasonably informed wealthy people from your town, deliver return on credit, otherwise "i'm ruined, going to hang myself, daughter to be weed to one of the creditors" etc.
mircea_popescu: phf this sounds great, and works fine for as long as you stick to pulp fiction (this ~particular~ narrowness of viewport is why dumas never counted as an important writer). try and step outside of the threemusketeering and see if it can still be meaningfully applied.
phf: asciilifeform: i believe it was a reference to earlier mention of three musketeers as a source of useful knowledge, rather than any particular plot element. at least i meant dumas as generally high adventure
mircea_popescu: let's set out the dilemma properly, for future readers. 1. if the creditor is not an agent, then why would he get anything ? i mean beyond the usg-istic / southparkian "aaaannd... it's gone" ? and 2. if the creditor is an agent, then why does the borrower carry all the responsibility ?
mircea_popescu: just how much of an agent to make the principal in the principal-agent relationship is the problem. because obviously if the principal were an actual agent there'd be no agents.
mircea_popescu: and to bring it home, if anyone hanged every time something blew up unexpectedly i'd be sitting here in an otherwise empty #trilema-gallows bemoanign my sad fate.
mircea_popescu: consider the matter properly : so girl has put capers! in pot of coffee. because can't tell the difference between cardamom or capers, or because too tired, or mischevious, or fucked in the head or you call it, whatever. here's now a nice old style pot (anyone besides me sill use these, btw ? the tronconic items ?) with over a liter of capercoffee made out of SEVEN heaped spoonfulls of the world's best coffee, irreproducible
mircea_popescu: but do you recall the case of the misfortunate doria charge ?
mircea_popescu: french cut down mercenary crossbowmen for the fault of having not provided them with dry storage for the tension element ?
mircea_popescu: if people do anything, it's storytelling. what happened ? and so on.
mircea_popescu: hence all the nonsense that has, and will, blow up in their faces. "debt tranching, allowing you to remove the debtor entirely from consideration !!! " "does this actually work ?" "our gauss copula indicates that it definitely will work for as long as it does!"
mircea_popescu: nah, the thing that sunk the last remnant of "america" in the 2000s was the "adjustable interest".
mircea_popescu: the notion that you can fleece the sheep according to how much wool you "need" (calculated through a complicated abstraction designed to hide the arbitrarity, of course).
mircea_popescu: just because "london sunk" doesn't mean 1mn black tards can now pay an extra twenty each.
mircea_popescu: yes, but... "There isn't, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active. "
mircea_popescu: why should inept creditors have anything ? money doesn't belong with old farts anymore than it belongs with disused wives, it's just not how money works.
mircea_popescu: since we're doing classics, consider eugenie grandet, and all the piles balzac especially wrote about control transfer in belle epoque france.
mircea_popescu: he will let go, by self "will" or "wise" words or baseball bat.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 18:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much, technology sufficiently primitive is indistinguishable from lottery
mircea_popescu: pro tip : to pubescent eyes, sexual congress readily translates to "daddy beating up mommy", as a factual matter. and to similarily infantile minds, what i do to my slavegirls is you know, "abuse" or however they put it.
mircea_popescu: yes, but if there's structure there can't be equality. and if there can't be equality, it then follows that ~not everyone could be anything they wanted to~. that could is currently underpinning the whole world economy, as the jesus nut of it all.
mircea_popescu: the whole "hundred trillions" in derivatives, and everything else, hang from this "could".
mircea_popescu: and yes, there are. everyone buys it, as the necessary prerequisite of being "in".
mircea_popescu: the proof is in the pudding : if one doesn't believe that could, one couldn't possibly find himself in north america. because... COULD NOT.
mircea_popescu: to be there you gotta believe you could be there, and there we go.
mircea_popescu: this could business... it cuts quite a far swathe. 1518 dairy ~couldn't~ believe she could sit on duchess couch, take duke cock. COULD NOT. doesn't fit in there, like with ducks. in the immortal words of a certain mammie, "it ain't fittin', it just ain't fittin'".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, but interchangeable parts... this transistor ~COULD~ be part of that radio, OR of this one ?
mircea_popescu: having met my fair share of "could be singers" mothers of girls.
mircea_popescu: because why ? because you'll just make up classes to explain it away as need be ?
mircea_popescu: everyone believes all coulds all the time. proof to the contrary is dismissed under some pretext or other.
mircea_popescu: they're not what they are, in the sense of, history. they are what they could be. see ?
mircea_popescu: in the end the problem is this : "modern democracy" ran into the same problem all societies ever ran into : explaining to men why they should bother fathering. the traditional manner was, "you must have an heir, to keep on your traditions stepping on serf faces", and unacceptable.
mircea_popescu: so modern democracy came up with "kids are SO VERY VALUABLE!!!" it's worth having some. and then took it to heart, hence all the "college debt" mess of financial misdirection, and all the "you can do anyuthing" mess of intellectual misdirection.
mircea_popescu: it's not much of a solution, to wit it doesn't even concinve anyone, but at least it doesn't include serfs' faces and boots and mud.
mircea_popescu: and the wives, too, strike me as the products of people who think women valuable.
mircea_popescu: first thing, you know, slavegirl comes across is this plain "you're entirely fucking worthless". pons asinorum, as it were.
ben_vulpes: or, you know, whichever other ambulatory meat wad failed even basic imperial sekyoority protocol
ben_vulpes: sticky note over the "please shoot me in the face" triggers of shitstack