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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps earnestly, yes. Then you fill up a strip of desert with refugees, tell them they have an identity. What do they do when they get the old books? They start cargo culting themselves into super special snowflakes. Being super special snowflakes together is the core of the US-Israel alliance.
asciilifeform: other potential headache is that they'll happily offer to carry e.g. +100kg aaand it'll end up 'cargo' and get ben_vulpes'd.
lobbes: hmm, but wtf, now this says there is an office in the Washington Dulles Airport >> https://www.copacargo.com/html/user/default.aspx?PageId=5&lang=en
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The failure in that run was at the US check in counter. There's a max weight on any piece designated "luggage" rather than "cargo", hard limit enforced by baggage handler's work rules
asciilifeform: anyffing bigger, gets 'cargo' treatment, and full customs orchestra.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 23:11:36 asciilifeform: relatedly, imho a future piz cargo oughta include a rubidium clock box.
asciilifeform: relatedly, imho a future piz cargo oughta include a rubidium clock box.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927287 << Seems to support yesterday's end of aviation thread. Maybe by 2050 the 12 passenger cargo ship returns.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/re-reading-the-cargo-cults-case-study/ << Trilema -- Re-reading the cargo cults "case study"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: start thinkin' about what we want in the 2 remaining cargo slots.
asciilifeform: evidently it is possible to have cargo cult with working (in a sense) planes.
asciilifeform: it's rather like if some scrap dealer took pity on the cargo island folx and gave'em an old boeing carcass.
asciilifeform: imho straight cargo cult -- fella thought himself to be a product of similar process, didn't see 'why can't do again'
asciilifeform: incidentally even 'copa air' -- the only, afaik, co that was even willing to offer 100kg-per-man ~for extra charge~ -- still did not offer guarantee that they'd actually ~take~ the cargo ( answrd 'show up with it and ~probably~ it will get loaded , i.e. roulette )
asciilifeform: one might naively picture heathens would jump at 'i bring martian tech and +9000 strength of will' etc. but nope. 'we built a++ straw plane, cargo when'
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 15:32 asciilifeform: it is also time to speak of the next crate. and the customary four cargo slots. 1 is to contain a replacement for uy1 ( and ideally will run cuntoo . ) 1 will contain a 1u that holds rk's. this gives 2 1u slots remaining, they can be occupied by colo passengers, if these stand up and wish to ride , or pizarro irons, at BingoBoingo's option.
mircea_popescu: for as long as there's such a thing as a http://trilema.com/2016/cargo-cults-a-case-study/#selection-91.0-99.80 still left plugged in somewhere, a miner'd make better use of those watts.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 00:32 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i highly recommend it, right now you're in approx the position of that random fella who sat down in a cargo plane and took off on a lark
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: there are other 'old unix' cargo cults in the historic record, also; all are quite similar to cat-v , near as i can tell.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local news, trash drama continues in other barrios https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/crisis-en-adeom-los-radicales-renunciaron-a-sus-cargos-y-varela-no-es-mas-el-presidente--201912819954
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma include a simple machine-readable ambient thermometer/hygrometer in the cargo, for good measure
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . i'd rather not waste precious cargo mass on items we already have, etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma include new ones in the cargo, it's a 20 $ part
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, german peasant cargo cults
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That sounds solid. If the cargo is 48 Rockchips 1U of server and 1U+ of spare parts, that's still 4U of material.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma include 2 spare raid controllers in the cargo, iirc our spare pile of these was depleted
asciilifeform: it is also time to speak of the next crate. and the customary four cargo slots. 1 is to contain a replacement for uy1 ( and ideally will run cuntoo . ) 1 will contain a 1u that holds rk's. this gives 2 1u slots remaining, they can be occupied by colo passengers, if these stand up and wish to ride , or pizarro irons, at BingoBoingo's option. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is on the cargo manifest for 2nd.
BingoBoingo: In other local business transactions... guess who from http://bingology.net/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#selection-271.0-271.86 is for sale https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-457471764-venta-local-comercial-pocitos-alquilado-dueno-directo-sc-_JM
asciilifeform: it's a cargocult, for the most part, a la spam.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it the height of cargo cultist idiocy, this "6 character commit ids" thing shithub does.
phf: i was very much insulated from open sores lisp with acl, just sort of assumed that they were all basically the same. turns out that common lisp world is a cargo cult. for when spec was never supposed to be and all be all: it was a _thin_ common ground of a variety of rich lisp ecosystem. writing _just_ to spec is an exercise in frustration..
mircea_popescu: ALSO straight cargocult, also like all spamola. really bitch, "this is how men should" ? men fucking should, reheheally ?
asciilifeform: straight cargocult, like other spamola
mircea_popescu: (alf's "robohitler" mostly exists as alf's own mind's reinterpretation of the boas-pantsuit ; cargo cultish lulz (say in the "artificial intelligence" vein to pick but one of many examples) usually come from the dewey-pantsuit.)
asciilifeform: ( speaking here of proverbial, rather than the actual one, for some reason the actual border has ~0 interest in asciilifeform's cargo , to date, was almost disappointing. . 100x moar poking' and prodding' in orcistans this far, for asciilifeform )
asciilifeform: current-day 'supercomp' biz is a sad cargo cult, ~errybody's building buckets fulla intelade rubbish.
phf: well, after reading the CADR documentation, source code and generally spending more time on a lisp machine, i realized that modern common lisp is a cargo cult. i'm not sure how naggum didn't see it, but possibly because his lisp was emacs/cmucl/franz
asciilifeform: best analogy, imho, is sov train carriages. it is possible to make train carriage of many lengths, but they had 1 . so if cargo were smaller, it'd get packed in with other things, or sometimes partially empty car, but short car would not be specially built for shorter crate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall this video of a coon exhibiting all the "intelligent" behaviour of black chicks code : was rubbing a rock against a glass door, because it had seen rocks open glass doors before but didn't quite understand how impact works. so cargocultcoon.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 16:28 asciilifeform adds ' asciilifeform-recipe switch ' to next cargo manifest
asciilifeform adds ' asciilifeform-recipe switch ' to next cargo manifest ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856334 << ianal, but aint that the ~whole point of 'international maritime law' ? where iirc once insurance pays, the sunken cargo turns into 'buried treasure' and belongs to whoever lifts it, no questions asked ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856334 << ianal, but aint that the ~whole point of 'international maritime law' ? where iirc once insurance pays, the sunken cargo turns into 'buried treasure' and belongs to whoever lifts it, no questions asked ? ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456650588-yumbo-cargo-_JM << Typical commercial vehicle here
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do what remains to do to put a proper cross on the grave, and after that i'ma start taking cargo manifest calls.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i highly recommend it, right now you're in approx the position of that random fella who sat down in a cargo plane and took off on a lark ☟︎
BingoBoingo: To be fair to asciilifeform, when he travelled to Montevideo he kept his personal kit very compact in order to favor cargo
asciilifeform: ( there was a related mircea_popescu piece re paulgraham et al, in re how they tried to cargocult-revive orig 'dotcom' bacchanalia )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i lost your cargo would you cry more than if the orcs steal it like they apparently well might've ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta factor in % of lost vessels + cargo, like the satellite people do, however
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this item would cost about 10k or so i guess, and it'd carry maybe 10kg or 10 liters of cargo, whichever smallest.
asciilifeform: at any rate i suspect that the problem is not wholly engineering problem, in the sense where, yes usg torpedo (for piddling 100km range) costs $mil, a ru torpedo -- $100k, but afaik nobody's built a $1 or even $10k thing-that-sails-8000km , in which to economically carry $1k of cargo
asciilifeform: prolly why the brits ended up cargoculting it, neh
asciilifeform: this is unremarkable, cargo cults ~always turn up with copies, there's never enuff actual fuselage frags to go around
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does the electricity need to be burned so the SAME EXACT fragment of cargo cult is repeated 50 times ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is specifically curious, re why brazil, afaik the 1 serious country in the whole landmass, is also half dour shithole ( asciilifeform's extended wot includes at least 1 d00d who went to brazil for physics conf and came back as 'cargo 200' , so i suspect the reputation aint entirely mythical )
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2016/cargo-cults-a-case-study/
asciilifeform: tho i suppose as pure cargo cult, hypothesis floats
asciilifeform: possibly cargocultist of lenin then ? ( observe, lenin did not stand on , e.g., cossacks, his algo was 'largest mass of unwashed' )
asciilifeform: cargo cult output makes 0 sense other than in light of the picture of the orig subject of imitation, airplane, brit empire, etc
asciilifeform: upstack, italy et al were , as i understand, fucking around with cargo cult version of 'we too want british empire', sorta how 500yr earlier HRE derped with 'we want roman empire'
asciilifeform: i have nfi what this is used for, i still labour under impression that spam is -ev and a cargo cult
ascii_lander: ( ascii_lander's cargo included 1) dulapIII 2) dulapIII-spare 3) smg 4) smg-spare
ascii_lander: ( 100% of cargo racked btw. tho some of the rails had to be bent, i bent'em back by hand lol )
ascii_lander inspected cargo : not only were $boxen thoroughly pawed over ( external trunk seals popped, inside -- careful packing turned into a ??? shambles) but some 'ears' bent
asciilifeform: but this was enuff for the tech to find its way to the cargocultists.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you want to include a mechanical hdd or 2 in the cargo, it is not too late
phf: asciilifeform: all these projects are plan9 cargo cults, so there's always going to be utf-8
BingoBoingo: Hey, I was shocked when I found out the Yumbo Cargo is a factory model and not a local hack http://archive.is/nJ1ML
mircea_popescu: and the only folk to whom the difference is immaterial are our stone age friends from the cargo-cult, cave dwellers as they find themselves.
mircea_popescu looks into the logs, sees 62 instances of eg - http://testasp.vulnweb.com/t/fit.txt%3F.jpg and similar garbage. this, of course, is "web security" or "penetration testing", or however you'd call it. a set of "tools", no doubt "professional" that permit one A CERTAIN KIND of cargo-cultish periphrastic cvasi-but-not-really involvement in their chosen field.
mircea_popescu: it is not an idle comment to observe that the universalist nature of pantsuitism manifests here exactly as everywhere -- their sad, broken cargocultish tech-ersatz does exactly what their sad, broken fake of an economy etc : rolls up the small costs into a larger one to be paid "in the future", which to them is a term of art specifically meaning never.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One day at a time. This has been good for my AA basics even if the local AA seems more cargo cult as my spanish improves.
lobbes: << this is the key question needing resolving, imo. "Is it worth it to continue throwing good money into orc-hole?". After BB's deep descent into the cargo cult looking for chassis n' such, it is certainly suggestive of more "tree-forts everywhere" ala http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782956 ☝︎
BingoBoingo: That being said for my health I would like a proposal that includes the possibility of a BingoBoingo exit date away from cargo cult Alcoholics Anonymous
BingoBoingo: I am re-reading it a few times. Certainly it is helpful in a way that the gabriel_laddel-ism http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#comment-114684 is not
asciilifeform: now the cost of filling 12 rack slots with as much cpu horse as they can hold, (using asciilifeform's method, rather than mircea_popescu's, if not clear from context) would be such : 32 cores of opteron @ 3GHz, 256GB ram, 1TB durable ssd, comes to 1600 per 1U machine; no more than 4 machines can travel in a cargo carried by a 1300 two-way ticket
ben_vulpes: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#comment-114684 lol wtf
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/ << Bingo Blog - A Long Descent Into The Cargo Cult
BingoBoingo: I return. The short of the news is there is still only one "business" that had one 2U chassis, and they have yet to follow up with a quote for the rest of the shopping list. Blog post baking, with pictures from this cargo cult hell hole.
mircea_popescu: at any rate, the only possible moves here seem to be a) phf see if the airline is willing to take a ~100 kgs as cargo ; b) BingoBoingo DO THE RESEARCH tonight, as to b.1) EXACTLY, ~absolutely~ exactly what parts do you actually need and b.2) list of places you could conceivably get it at there, whatever shops. then tomorrow starting 8am you go check all of those. no words, be shown the physical item.
phf: ben_vulpes: it's a standard cargo service, separate from flight engagement
ben_vulpes: phf: what's involved in "transporting as cargo"?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:35 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> holyfuq, konsoomer towers in racks in dc << Cargo cult
asciilifeform: right, mircea_popescu can pour petrol , light match, and say ' asciilifeform started fire, by not posting cargo manifest in blog '
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 16:38 asciilifeform: i actually have a pcengines apu1 ( 2G version ) with the sage header soldered on, and sageprobe, that i am adding to the cargo manifest
asciilifeform: i actually have a pcengines apu1 ( 2G version ) with the sage header soldered on, and sageprobe, that i am adding to the cargo manifest ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think phf possibly was alluding to ordinary orc-theft of cargo, rather than the usgistic sort
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> holyfuq, konsoomer towers in racks in dc << Cargo cult ☟︎
BingoBoingo: And routers, and not jungle cargo cult "Why would you want a network that isn't WiFi?" inventory selection
mp_en_viaje: utterly terrible. i nearly bought one for its cargo cult quality
lobbes: Very much a cargo cultism, I would say. Cannot conceive of the workings of physics that even allow planes that drop payloads. Never been shown, or explained, by -anyone-. "Assembly code for favorite vidya game? But all my phriends just use "Game Shark" for their cheating levels"
asciilifeform: ( imho cargocultized artisanry is not particularly more attractive than this item. )
trinque: oh sure. the statue, as per mircea_popescu's definition of art, is a cargo-cultism where the sovereign that put it there is unknown, and dead.
mircea_popescu: well, in typical manner of usgtronic cargocultism, they pretend to themselves as a captive audience that they've embraced&extended successfully.
asciilifeform: cargocultism?
BingoBoingo rolled into meeting wearing short sleeve button up red work shirt, khaki cargo shorts, and carried very slim attache case.
shinohai: How long before Japan tells all to cargo-cult military someplace else. http://archive.is/QANIt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: xor op is a commonly seen element of cargocultisms aha