asciilifeform: meanwhile : phf's vintage log imports on testbed. however : certain uniturds decode strangely ( e.g. ru-style double-quote turns into accented A ) ; and link-dekakoizer will need db lookup to determine snsabot-correct date for given index # (else the links do not go where expected) .

asciilifeform: so this will take some days.

asciilifeform: uniturd decoder, note, is the one in lobbes's latest patch.

asciilifeform: atm i also suspect that a certain % of links imported from 'era 2' (phf's april 2016 -- aug. 2019) also do not go where expected, on acct of clock difference b/w the boxen. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ergo needs 'era 2' corrector similarly.

asciilifeform: ( in fact date in link should not matter at all, oughta resolve by index # )

asciilifeform: it is interesting that no one has noticed this effect of yet.

asciilifeform: easiest pill is prolly to '301' e.g. a ...../log/chan/idx/31337 into correct /log/chan/date#31337 , and transform the payloads of all displayed links into the former. BUT this would break with historical convention. so i'ma ask mircea_popescu how he wants this sewn.

asciilifeform: the obv. alternative is to actually do a db lookup when printing links, to get the appropriate local date. BUT this means a db lookup per link displayed, i.e. slowdown.

asciilifeform: ( the option 'hey just sync clock' dun do anyffin useful. for one thing, kako's clock was yet different. for another, both kako's and phf's drifted , just like mine... )

asciilifeform: summary : historic dates in links are detectably bogus .

asciilifeform would like to hear how phf dealt with this .

asciilifeform: relatedly, imho a future piz cargo oughta include a rubidium clock box.

asciilifeform: ( coupla hundy $ , if 2ndhand, but they're hefty )

asciilifeform bbl : meats.

asciilifeform: meanwhile in frustrations, for third day digging for a usable 1u-embeddable GB lan switch for piz , found none

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931356 << the main headache is that the segment of a url past the anchor (#) is never sent to server .

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: rtfm plz.

asciilifeform: if it were , would be trivial

asciilifeform: interesting. spec seems to say they ought not, so i suspect not erry browser sends

asciilifeform: or hrm that's a refer url mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: not a load url

asciilifeform: this dun do anyffin for us re problem

asciilifeform tried various browsers, all behave to spec, i.e. none send url-cum-anchor as part of get or post ( ff and chrome do put it in referrer, but it's quite useless for this job, i need a scheme where url entered by hand or otherwise no ref hdr , is valid )

asciilifeform: ikr. i also thought !

asciilifeform: it'd have to by the ugly-as-arse /log/chan/index#index or sumsuch

asciilifeform: unless i;m missing sumthing

asciilifeform: hence wai i posed the q. maybe trinque or lobbes , serious wwwists, can crack this one.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931361 << imho clock is a luxury and in foreseeable future i'ma only load essentials into the crates. but the good noose is, rubidium has halflife of ~5e10 yrs and aint setting off any alarms. while cesium clock uses the stable 133 . problem is rather that the buggers are heavy and can't be had , seems, in anyffin smaller than 2U .

asciilifeform: ( ftr -- clocks look exactly like servers, just with bnc jack and mains , no other plugs )

asciilifeform: oh hm apparently i was wrong re the cheaper rb -- chinese sell ~pocket-sized unit . but still headache, would have to interface it somehow.

asciilifeform: my contention 'clock is luxury' is based on thought similar to mircea_popescu's, i.e. it dun make sense to bother unless yer doing shortwave or similar application where the intervals gotta be utterly fixed or no go entirely

asciilifeform: ( whereas 'ntpism' , i.e. networked clocks, make sense in 0 case, it's simply riotously dumb idea, packet delay aint deterministic . ntpism is pure inca scamola. )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931353 << phf yer missing the point , i need so that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 AND http://btcbase.org/log/1945-07-16#758070 go to same thing ! ☝︎

asciilifeform: dates gotta be decorative and work correctly while being so, or oughta go entirely.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quoted strings? indeed still gotta bake'em ( see in readme.txt, they're on the listof missing essentials , and errybody grumbles, i'ma do these next )

asciilifeform: pagination of srch output also

asciilifeform will use same scheme as in phuctor for the latter

asciilifeform: possibly lobbes et al will beat me to it, submit a patch.

asciilifeform was muchly hoping not to end up birthing whole logotron with solely own hands .

asciilifeform: most recent gripe re quotes

asciilifeform: for thrd-completeness, also painfully missing are back/fwd linkages a la phf, but these need working date/era handling before i even dare to touch the q

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 4th link in note 1 is borked

asciilifeform: 'masturbated to the same exact theme' in #2 has a 'b' but no terminator

asciilifeform: dun seem to display the keyword on any of my browser tho

asciilifeform: ( is it meant to ? )

asciilifeform: a.

asciilifeform: in #20 'Learn how to turn shit off, what' also borked.

asciilifeform: not afaik

asciilifeform: there's coupla moar of these, but i'ma leave off, evidently mircea_popescu still fillin'em in

asciilifeform: sometimes i get notion that the hunted item is in mircea_popescu's www, but difficult to test given no search box .

asciilifeform: yea makes sense

asciilifeform read maybe 10%, max, of tlp corpus, for this reason. it's just barely digestible to asciilifeform's enzymes.

asciilifeform: in iirc '09 when asciilifeform 1st encountered tlp , thought 'insufferable, but occasionally emits interesting point by sheer accident'

asciilifeform: i actually had tlp pegged in my head as a dour, aged, 'feminism'-flavoured chix

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of 'starting to bump against an objective limit', it's starting to look like ethernet switch bulk is the limiting reactant for 'how many rk/similar can pack into box'

asciilifeform: well, half the density, i.e. double the transport cost.

asciilifeform: largest normal-looking suitcase comfortably houses 2u of irons .

asciilifeform: 1u chassis actually fits 16 rk with comfortable air flow. and their ps. but no GB switch seems to exist, of requisite size, that'd fit inside, even if stripped of own chassis.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: 4u is the most that can be reliably carried as 'konsoomer luggage' .

asciilifeform: moar like 500 / 1u (per last expedition)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i used 'cattle car class', see.

asciilifeform: transport costs from 1st exped. , for thrd-completeness.

asciilifeform: ^ 560.5 $ per 1u . keep in mind that asciilifeform for 'belt and suspenders' made a lengthier than strictly necessary expedition . ( in fact used all but 1 of the padding days, walking with BingoBoingo to hunt for missing small parts, tuning boxen , etc )

asciilifeform: material ? depends what's in the 1u in question, neh

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ones for mircea_popescu , are looking to cost 1-1.5 k ($) ea. (still hunting for the exact machines we use, the old seller seems to have vanished) . rk plant will cost ~1k , not counting drives (and switch, which, grrr, not found yet!) for a plant of 16 subunits. the remaining 1u is to be apu1 (4x) , not drawn yet so i daren't say exactly what costs, expect also in vicinity of 1k (sans disk).

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a calculable function. 4 'heavy' (32cpu opterons) added up to just 5kg short of the max permitted 'overweight'. anything lighter (e.g. rk plant) poses no pain from mass pov. but the suitcases i (specifically) bought for expeditions, are in fact of max permitted phys. dimensions. (w/ 2 u in ea. + paddings and fixators.)

asciilifeform: last time i rtfm'd , 'copa' (the 1 usable co.) permitted over-mass XOR over-dimension .

asciilifeform: funnily enuff i did. ( in fact was uncertain until last moment that the actual 2 crates would fly, the co's www is retarded)

asciilifeform: well i was 5kg short of the max load, so 3rd box would've had to be <5, even supposing they'd take another 300 and eat it

asciilifeform: 100kg.

asciilifeform: ( i.e. ~with~ the surcharge , is what one gets from this vendor )

asciilifeform: anyffing bigger, gets 'cargo' treatment, and full customs orchestra.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingostani customs is a circus one could almost write book about. they for instance didn't give a rat's arse re the 1us. but demanded to know why 6x 'high tech!111 omfg'-looking rk's in the carry-on. ( rk pilot plant was assembled on-site, in hotel... )

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes , if recall, somehow botched , so that even his 1us ended up weighed and taxed like silver bricks.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'take decade to fill rack' is less of a problem than seems -- if could fully tenant e.g. 32 rk's or equiv, already pays for entire dc bill.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: indeed it was. there was a grunt with a scale, weighed and tape-measured each trunk.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i intend to pack the crates 'to the waterline' , just like last go.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: rright, and ended up ~doubling his cost.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hm ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ben ended up with customs pawing ~all~ of his boxes on acct of the excess.

asciilifeform: if it were just a q of 'hey i'ma bring a 3rd and see if they eat it' would happily bring 3rd. but there was in fact a d00d with a scale there, and calculator, adding up box0...boxN and if >100kg then 'nope'

asciilifeform: several folx got sent away with 'nope' in the queue.

asciilifeform: in the usa end, where one goes an' gets the ticket punched.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what did it cost ?

asciilifeform: when i bought ticket, the annoying fucks wouldn't even take prepay of the surcharge when selling ticket, proclaimed 'you pay it at airport'

asciilifeform: and pay 2x.

asciilifeform: i bought month in advance.

asciilifeform: not bought yet, can't buy until all irons pass test

asciilifeform: otherwise risk ending up sucking own elbow

asciilifeform: i'ma defo ask, and play the 'phone tag', like last time. but expect similar result.

asciilifeform: btw it dun matter of what the box is made, or that it resembles suitcase (other than possibly for orc customs). the dimensions thing is applied by monkey on the usa end.

asciilifeform: btw if e.g. rk plant gets eaten, lose considerably moar than ~1k, there's a great bit of hand-craft involved in making these.

asciilifeform: well yes.

asciilifeform: there's also ' asciilifeform's vacation days ' non-renewable resource involved .

asciilifeform: ( the hero to move boxen instead of asciilifeform , has not yet stood up. )

asciilifeform: where incidentally is Mocky ?

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931500 << incidentally i priced 'fexed', their cost is actually comparable to ' asciilifeform-ex ' . problem is that all fedex'd crates end up getting the full orc treatment.

asciilifeform: *fedex

asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's quarter tonne -- per last yr's specs , they were formally willing to move up to 150kg -- from anywhere other than usa.

asciilifeform: 'copa' is... interesting co. for instance, return flight got stuck in panama for extra 20min on acct of some fuckwit who couldn't fit his ~box of cakes~ into overhead compartment.

asciilifeform: ( in usa bouncers would come and beat such fella black and blue and throw out of gate. but orcs. )

asciilifeform: the folx i told in meatspace about this, no one believed. 'yer fucking with me'

asciilifeform: also oblg. apropos of ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/ >> all 4 planes were ~half full .

asciilifeform did not complain, got to sleep horizontally...

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931506 << us-tardation , if it were ~deterministic~ , would be considerably less headache . but it , sadly, aint. ( for instance asciilifeform never had problem with wire. but that's 0..n, no one knows re n+1... )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: btw occurs to me , you have a 'copa' counter in BingoBoingostan somewhere. consider inquiring what costs round trip ~from~ BingoBoingostan. it isn't impossible that it'd be cheaper for BingoBoingo to ~pick up~ crates.

asciilifeform: even if costs ~same, conceivably could work around asciilifeform's major handicap, i.e. that he can only go 1 (w/ 'afterburners' , maybe 2x) / yr on acct of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931521

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo would not have to get hotel, either, could sleep in hammock in asciilifeform's 'nazi sub'

asciilifeform: supposing there aint orc-generated bureaucratic problem in re BingoBoingo going into usa for day or 2, may be workable.

asciilifeform: (the 1 headache is that BingoBoingo's station would end up unmanned for the interval.)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun recall the orcs asking me where i lived. you give'em the usa passport and is all.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc you haven't burned yours yet. so oughta work

asciilifeform: lobbes: you are where ?

asciilifeform: afaik the only 'full scale' office of theirs is in fl

asciilifeform: 'miami mecca'(tm)

asciilifeform: lobbes: there was 'office' in the bmore airport from which i went. but it was the kind where no one to haggle with, 'here is machine, wouldja like to buy new ticket for 3x what you paid month ago?' 'here we measure the trunks' etc

asciilifeform: for all i know, is exactly what is in fl and la also.

asciilifeform: i'ma have to call'em (and specifically that city's, vs the 'national' one)

asciilifeform: other potential headache is that they'll happily offer to carry e.g. +100kg aaand it'll end up 'cargo' and get ben_vulpes'd.

asciilifeform: so far all i got is 2 experimental data points re expeditions, ben's and mine.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dun matter how many day ordeal, cost will still be 2+x of otherwise.

asciilifeform: it'd end up same as if fedex'd.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hey , i work as full-time canary in that coal mine...

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i won't dispute that it's quite unpleasant. but will remind, i sit there year-round

asciilifeform: fwiw the inspector monkeys in usa , such that i saw in washingtonistan, were harmless, sat and played tetrisen on pnojes

asciilifeform: mostly sad white d00dz , in their 20s, there was no slot at patent office for'em, evidently

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i manage to so that to conjure up with what to power asciilifeform's little orchestra, which includes e.g. the expedition and its payload.

asciilifeform: if i knew how to do this in antarctica -- would do it there. would prefer the company of the penguins to ameri-muppets, verily.

asciilifeform: interesting. one might naively imagine that bmore port would consist of these -- but it didn't.

asciilifeform: i suppose they're all manning lafond's shop

asciilifeform: pollos decapitados ? lol -- vooddists ?

asciilifeform: oh hey loox like i have my notes mixed up -- bmore is from where went to argentina. to BingoBoingo went from dulles (greater washingtonistan)

asciilifeform goes, always , from where cheapest , to the penny

asciilifeform wonders if the folx at http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931579 are moar 'uppity' on acct of distance from the payola trough mecca

asciilifeform: i've stood in multi-kilometre queues in ameri-airports. but never yet encountered any of the famous abuses.

asciilifeform: the only times had to even haggle, was with orcs in orcistans.

asciilifeform: 'esteemed sir inspector, wouldja like to see how this machine worx?' 'get outta my sight'

asciilifeform: as i understand, you get those always, unless you've yer own airplane.

asciilifeform: after 1st trip ( mircea_popescu's ro ) , asciilifeform bought that subscription for 'get back in usa w/out line', was worth erry penny

asciilifeform: still line to come ~out~ tho.

asciilifeform previously to mircea_popescu's party in timis, asciilifeform spent 20y not even having occasion to go in airplane anywhere.

asciilifeform: ( why? from combination of 'to where to go?' and 'when?' )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931572 << i suspect exaggerated. even when i went to heart of lafondistan, 'darkest africa', when attempted to buy dilapidated building -- went into where the orcs were, their 'food depot' even, and no one put knife in, no one even spat in asciilifeform's face or even could be aroused to utter insult

asciilifeform: the poor zeks gave much moar impression of being ~tired~ of life, rather than belligerent .

asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had even moar picturesque story, where not only not insulted but had excellent rapport w/ entire bus fulla these , and they all asked for him to become their che guevara

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dunno how many of these folx at any given time even know who is on the iron throne.

asciilifeform: they live in entirely parallel universe, the 1 described in mircea_popescu's 'the tide dollar' piece.