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danielpbarron: !~later tell phf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5f1Pc/?raw=true
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
mod6: davout comin of the top rope
mod6: off too
mod6: http://archive.is/R1uXz
shinohai: ^ LOLOLOL
BingoBoingo: !!up joecool
deedbot: joecool voiced for 30 minutes.
joecool: thanks
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 2u is like... 8.9cm tall. you think not ? << Alright with the amd fx-8350 there are skus that some with different coolers. There the stock cooler that looks like it should not be a problem, and then there is the WRAITH special edition kooler 4Gamerz which is 80 mm high and rather tall for a 2U case. Whoever goes piling iron would be advised to watch this difference.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean whoever ?
BingoBoingo: Well, someone is piling hardware in the US? I haven't seen volunteers yet other than phf to courier
mircea_popescu: you mean when buying, buy the standard not the wraith cooler ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah. The wraith is not going to fit in 2U
BingoBoingo: The standard will.
mircea_popescu: aite.
mircea_popescu: do you have sideways fan covers for the rack units btw ? or how does it look ?
mircea_popescu: were you going to publish some pix at some point or what came of that ?
BingoBoingo: I have not been there yet. Though I might be able to find some sorta box to throw in the cage. Returning to the datacenter tomorrow say hello, take pics, and ask again about importers. I was distracted by accounting/blogging/sheetmetalhunt Monday/Today.
mircea_popescu: wait wait, i thought you had visited the dc floor ?
mircea_popescu: how did the qntra box get installed ?
BingoBoingo: I meant I have not been there since the installation.
mircea_popescu: ah ah.
mircea_popescu: aite. do you know the covers i mean ?
BingoBoingo: I am going there again tomorrow. I held the thing in place helpful guy used the screwdriver to secure it to the rack studs. Apologies for the ambiguity.
BingoBoingo: I do not yet know.
shinohai: Good news mod6 .... this flu shit is all in our head: http://archive.is/aY4l1
mircea_popescu: http://rackmountmart.stores.yahoo.net/ra4racfan3fa1.html << this sort of item
mircea_popescu: basically they are a face for 3U, blow air out of the rack.
mircea_popescu: (you put one or two blowing in at the bottom, and same number blowing out at the top)
mircea_popescu: cabinets often come with them preinstalled, but then again that's more a mid/high market thing ; yours may be barebones-er than this.
mod6 looks
BingoBoingo: Ah. Right now are cage has a bunch of the solid plastic slats in the front. This has been added to the questions checklist.
mod6: HEAL ME BABY JEEBUS!
mircea_popescu: poor mobile46836
mircea_popescu: oops i mean mod6
mod6: BingoBoingo: good work. looking forward to ze pics
BingoBoingo: Ahora, me voy a dormir
mod6: buenos noches
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-incredible-productive-assets-and-unlimited-human-ingenuity-existing-in-america/ << Trilema - The incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America.
TomServo: BingoBoingo: In my experience the plastic slats are intended to better maintain hot/cold isle airflow.
mircea_popescu: dja have dc experience then ?
TomServo: Yes, a bit.
mircea_popescu: well, tips & tricks appreciated, i'm sure.
mircea_popescu: mod6 for the sake of nitpicks, it's buenas, cuz somehow la noche is feminine. buenos tacos / buenas noches.
TomServo: Well, I'm a bit miffed at the idea of stuffing consumer gear in racks, but I've not tried this. Seems risky.
mircea_popescu: think it'll blow up ?
TomServo: Airflow is crucial in a dense environment.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, thanks.
mircea_popescu: true.
TomServo: If not dense, prolly not an issue. But if it starts filling.. I'd be worried.
mircea_popescu: well, i expect draw in the 200-250W. that means at most 10 per rack at current power.
mircea_popescu: very theoretically could fit 20, and perhaps the dc can provide the extra wattage. but gotta see somehow.
mircea_popescu: but in principle, gear can't produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ?
TomServo: Yes, very much principly a power concern.
mircea_popescu: so i'm kinda trying to outsource the heat knowhow to the dc, in this passive manner. kinda why i got a low W cpu. i'm thinking i'd have to worry more about some modern 500W bs "single"t or multi-cpu than about this basically 125W max power item. how much can it possibly heat...
TomServo: That's true, but weren't you discussing stuffing 4 mini itxs in one case? with vertical exhuasting cpu fans?
mircea_popescu: take something like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782012 : if you did actyually put 4 to the mobo, as they theoretically can suffer, and somehow stuffed all this in 1U, and attempted to put 40 such units at half a kW each inside one rack, i'd fully expect the whole thing melting down within the hour. not even water can take out 20KJ/s out of a (stationary) rack. we're talking like, car engine sorta coolings by now.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 10:46 mircea_popescu: now, of course, the 6376 could be piled 4 to the motherboard. but i tell you i don't see you'd want it, considering how much it eats.
mircea_popescu: TomServo no, no, the design contemplated is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782165☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 19:40 a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
mircea_popescu: the (consumer) motherboard is microATX (the somewhat intermediate one) not micro-ATX (the smaller-than-ITX novel thing).
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck.
mircea_popescu: the (consumer) motherboard is miniATX (the somewhat intermediate one, 10x10) not mini-ATX (the smaller-than-ITX novel thing, 6x6).
mircea_popescu: this is officially the dumbest standard i ever encountered. i am officially giving up trying to use the words, will use the numbers.
TomServo: ahah
mircea_popescu: so, the 9.6 x 9.6 inch form factor.
mircea_popescu: (for the confused : microATX, introduced cca 1996, is 244x244 mm ; same witdh but shorter than the plain ATX ; meanwhile mini-ITX is 170x170, whereas mini-ATX is 150x150 mm, so even smaller.)
mircea_popescu: so the mini's tiny when compared to the hefty micro. because why the fucknot.
mircea_popescu: as to the vertical exhaust, it was more of a "do you have it" curio than anything.
TomServo: Ah, then I misunderstood.
mircea_popescu: to my (admittedly aloof) reasoning, even if filled with 20 of these, the rack would have plenty of swim space on the sides, and should at least theoretically be ok. i dunno, i guess we find out.
TomServo: If it is any help, some info from a quote for US DC circa 2016,
TomServo: will provide specified amount of kW capacity from Primary (A Side) to
TomServo: be shared by the circuits listed below. The total draw between the connected “A
TomServo: & B” circuits should not exceed specified kW of draw.
TomServo: Provisioned capacity cannot exceed 150% of commitment.
TomServo: same again for B side, 20 kw
TomServo: non standard 52U
TomServo: this was $4460/mo USD and doesn't include any data service
TomServo: (or setup fees)
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782051 << fwiw I'd be vehehehry interested in a bbisp $20 per month shared hosting☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 13:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : the logic is, ima want 5 of the dozen ; the rest could each at least in principle support 100 "shared" sorta sites each, at $20 a month or whatever you end up charging. that's, if you manage to fill up the lot, $14`000 per month in revenue.
mircea_popescu: TomServo ok, but i'm more interested in... do you have some way to discern whether more cores or more clock speed are more valuable ?
mircea_popescu: is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782018 for instance judicious or misguided iyo ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 11:09 mircea_popescu: take something like, i dunno, epyc-7351 say. costs 7x, has 4x the cores, 4.5x the ram speed, 4.5x the l2/3 cache and 50% the power. basically i'm getting less than twice as much processor per watt, if i pay 7x the money. meh.
mircea_popescu: lobbes wouldja be interested in ordering parts for phf's trip btw ?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: I would expect cores and I certainly wouldn't be considering overclocking in a DC environment.
TomServo: I think you're on the right track not paying the price premium on the latest and greatest and eating the power.
mircea_popescu: why not overclocking ?
TomServo: Seems to be begging for heat and reliability issues when the goal should be reliability.
mircea_popescu: well, if you're stuck with an overloaded rack for the few days till you get the other one up for instance, it's nice to know you've got a 20% afterburner you can run on.
mircea_popescu: and in unrelated, wanker's worldview of perhaps entomological interest, http://theferrett.livejournal.com/1498823.html
lobbes: mircea_popescu, I may be able to order something, depending on price (any gear needed under $500, say?). I've been meaning to convert some more fiat into coin anyway
mircea_popescu: not clear yet, intuitively there's a ~600, a ~1.5k, a ~4k and a ~9k chunk. but we see.
lobbes could possibly swing the ~600. will keep eyes tuned to logs
TomServo: mircea_popescu: that's true, but you should have plenty of warning before needing to consider torching your gear
mircea_popescu: eh, there's cpus that are made for overclocking. such as this one. it'll run fine for years, if kept cool.
TomServo: I can likely order gear as well, but I don't expect that will be a problem.
mircea_popescu: YEARS.
mircea_popescu: TomServo the more the merrier.
TomServo: I've not kept up-to-date, but in my understanding of successful overclocking is often dependant on specialized cooling systems expected to be in a mini or full tower.
TomServo: If overclocking, why not go full throttle?
TomServo: If not full throttle, is it really worth the effort compared to throwing in another system?
trinque: yeh, gotta keep in mind that rack slots are narrow, and you're being cooked by your neighbor on two sides
trinque: also given the difficulty of getting parts on site, might want to optimize for longevity, then CPU cycles
mod6: yeah.
trinque: mircea_popescu: in re: cores, depends what you're running. most of my existing servers are many separate services doing tasks that don't block each other, whereas if running trb it's doubtful the thing benefits from even one extra core, except insofar as the rest of the OS's doings get shuffled off to it.
ben_vulpes: cooked, yes, but you hoover from the aisle in the front and dump into the aisle in the back. so long as everyone's dumping out the back, nobody should be sucking exhaust gases.
trinque: ben_vulpes: wasn't thinking of it, just heat through the metal case
ben_vulpes: i know but if the convective flux is adequate there really shouldn't be that much heat conducted from machine to machine
ben_vulpes: moreover it'd be what, mostly radiant with a bit of conductive through the air gap between servers, which can probably be approximated as stagnant and a good insulator
ben_vulpes: and heaven help the person who lets their box get hot enough to transfer heat radiantly
trinque: anybody here overclocked before?
mod6: i haven't for 20 years, but it basically resulted in a very unstable box.
trinque: heat's one issue, general system stability another. who's going to fiddle with BIOS voltage settings?
mod6: it would just randomly crash, and reset.
mod6: sure, got maybe a bit more throughput, but the tradeoff was certainly not worth it if not, for instance, gaming.
ben_vulpes: intel calls that an "unplanned restart" these days lol
TomServo: That was my point, I don't see it being worth the effore given cpu cheapness.. even with the VAT.
mod6: lol of course they do
TomServo: ben_vulpes: not sure about any air gap, all the racks i've seen are pretty pretty tight
trinque: ^
ben_vulpes: it
ben_vulpes: it's not actual box-to-box conductive contact
ben_vulpes: i've never racked machines that squealed on insert, you?
TomServo: that's fair, no
ben_vulpes: since we're doing thermofluids tonight...
TomServo: but i've also never racked overclocked servers and would expect no joy to come from it
ben_vulpes: the concern is convective heat transfer between servers. for that to happen there must be a) great enough gradient of heat between the machines and b) enough space between machines for air currents to get moving
ben_vulpes: heaven help us if the machine bodies actually drive a) because someone isn't cooling adequately, and if the gap is sufficiently small (as anyone with dc experience can attest) we'll probably have "stagnation" conditions, where the air is not actually circulating between the machines
TomServo: but the air between machines isn't moving, right? if not by convection?
ben_vulpes: right, which is why your double-paned windows are so much better of an insulator
ben_vulpes: that argon between them doesn't move; the viscosity of the gas keeps it locked in place and it acts as a superior insulator to the glass.
ben_vulpes: air currents within the DC might actually ruin this, but for the sake of the gedankenexperiment, let's neglect those for now
trinque: this is a fun exercise, but the air gap is not sealed between the units
ben_vulpes: if we don't neglect it, i'd expect entrained flow in the same direction as the convective cooling flux, eg from front of rack to back
ben_vulpes: thereby actually improving cooling conditions
trinque: making them better than if there were no servers on either side?
ben_vulpes: well, no, we're talking like sub-1% contribution to overall cooling
ben_vulpes: but in theory, if you want to wank over the thermofluids
TomServo: This seems like strained reasoning to justify overclocking for what I see is a minimally appreciable gain.
ben_vulpes: i
ben_vulpes: i ain't justifying shit, i'm saying that i'm not concerned about the health of the rack from a few hot boxes.
ben_vulpes: what, they heat up, crack their pcbs, shut down. run your fans, this won't be a problem.
trinque: makes sense, I won't dispute that part.
ben_vulpes: TomServo: i personally run machines for longevity, but i can see why mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo would want to run their lowendboxen hot and cram as much into 'em as possible.
TomServo: I think trinque 's point about hardware import difficulties is important to consider when stressing the gear, is all.
TomServo: ben_vulpes: I see also, just thought it was worth mentioning.
trinque: ben_vulpes: fine strategy when replacements are stacked within reach.
mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won't appreciate random reboots
ben_vulpes: not trying to cut you down TomServo
trinque: mod6: customer might. say a set of game servers that can handle losing a node for a bit. just depends.
trinque: my main point is to be ready with a stack of spares if that's the strategy
ben_vulpes: heh yeah i think trinque and i have pretty similar attitudes towards how to treat machines you're going to run hard
ben_vulpes: make 'em someone else's problem, and pay for the convenience.
ben_vulpes: this ftr is what galls me about ssds; the accelerated deterioration rate.
TomServo: Well, running hard and diddling overlclock settings + babysitting detail are different things, I think.
ben_vulpes: points on a continuum from where i sit
TomServo: Agreed, I'll admit the overclocking really threw me.
ben_vulpes: much like the honda babywagon i've allocated vs the three f1 engines a team's allowed in a season
ben_vulpes: girl is just not going to rev my shit past 4500, you know?
TomServo: :D
trinque: lol aha. I've never seen such a polite huge truck driver as mine.
trinque: "baby, you know they'll just move out of the way for it, yeah?"
ben_vulpes: hahaha i fuckin know it's charming
ben_vulpes: but it's great for rolling with road sodas
ben_vulpes: zero likelihood of interdiction with a polite babe at the wheel.
TomServo: ben_vulpes: We call those 'travelers' in my parts. A 'roadie' if you're uncouth.
ben_vulpes: heh i dunno that i've ever heard a couth name for the practice tbh; or any person who'd call themselves couth engaging in it
ben_vulpes: of the esl set that is
TomServo: I doubt there is one. Perhaps I misunderstood 'road sodas' when converting to local parlance.
ben_vulpes: a beer in the car!
TomServo: right! well in northern wisconsin there are CLASSES of beers in cars
trinque: I think this practice persisted legally until quite recently in TX
TomServo chuckles
TomServo: some! contain no beer at all! strickly Windsor Canadian Whiskey
ben_vulpes: right right, that
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, i have no clear model in my head of what's going on. but, i expect most load other than trb will be apache or something like it. and in my experience higher clock beats more cores once you have more than 4 or so, there.
mircea_popescu: not much experience in that experience tho.
mircea_popescu: re cooked : i don't expect anyone's getting cooked. half-decent run DC has no hotspot over 50 anyway, no matter what.
mircea_popescu: the idea that desktop towers are well cooled is ridoinculous on the face. i dun think half of them are, tbh.
mircea_popescu: this is a little like saying "hospital's no place for imunosupressed patients, they should be in their car, which people keep clean"
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they don't. and for the other thing... really ?!
mircea_popescu: but, in any case, more of a curio/bikeshed than anything i think. overclocking isn't likely to have more than a 1% if tyhat impact either way in bbisp affairs.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782296 << yes. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782297 << the thing changed lots in 20 years. for isntance, there's actual bios support for the procedure by now. it's a lot like say roller skating, they got special safety gear and competitions and purpose-made plywood for the backyard, it's not the 80s anymoar sorta thing.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:56 trinque: anybody here overclocked before?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:56 mod6: i haven't for 20 years, but it basically resulted in a very unstable box.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782302 << the cpu is worth 10% of the actual rig (disk, memory). it's the part getting fried for getting more out of the rig, if anything is.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:57 TomServo: That was my point, I don't see it being worth the effore given cpu cheapness.. even with the VAT.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782304 << uruguay, dood. not fucking washington. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779553 & so fucking happy to have any business AT ALL after the impenetrable cloud of sheer imbecility they've surrounded themselves with...☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:58 TomServo: ben_vulpes: not sure about any air gap, all the racks i've seen are pretty pretty tight
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:35 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> holyfuq, konsoomer towers in racks in dc << Cargo cult
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782311 << but the firm expectation based on no experience is how alf gets in trouble like...daily. why copy what dun work from him ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:59 TomServo: but i've also never racked overclocked servers and would expect no joy to come from it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782314 << well, i'd expect airflow at all times driven by the dc HVAC. i dunno you'd want to buy space in a dc with no internal airflow. i've also never been in one that had no internal airflow. then again i've never been in a clean room that had no internal airflow either.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:01 TomServo: but the air between machines isn't moving, right? if not by convection?
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, in a civilised house. because how the fuck would this work, modernity is built on airflow like the roman empire was built on running water.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782329 << boxes with a pile of ram are not lowend by any definition of the term. ram is pretty much the only thing.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:07 ben_vulpes: TomServo: i personally run machines for longevity, but i can see why mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo would want to run their lowendboxen hot and cram as much into 'em as possible.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782333 << hey, we get systemd in, right ? the reboots' gonna be so fast you won't even notice them☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won't appreciate random reboots
mircea_popescu: /sarcasm
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782339 << sadly, i dun see how bbisp could provide platter. for one thing, it takes way the fuck more power. for the other, it simply dun work for one of the more important republican apps, teh trb. it's just... not there.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:11 ben_vulpes: this ftr is what galls me about ssds; the accelerated deterioration rate.
mircea_popescu: not to say we won't rack old school disks someone ships ; but i think that's about as far as that goes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782342 << kinda the idea, if i bother to send a librarian over to orcistan to start an isp, ima just as well challenge established belief. it's just sane business management.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:13 TomServo: Agreed, I'll admit the overclocking really threw me.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782359 << hey, my car has a flask of rum in the net behind the front seat. and i drink it, too.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:29 TomServo: some! contain no beer at all! strickly Windsor Canadian Whiskey
mircea_popescu: aaand with that, ima be off to the beach! laters.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/totally-legit-traffix-sir/ << Trilema - Totally legit traffix sir!
BingoBoingo: <TomServo> BingoBoingo: In my experience the plastic slats are intended to better maintain hot/cold isle airflow. << This is sorta what I figured.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but in principle, gear can't produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ? << We have 2.5 kw now, and if we need more we can get a set of incoming power lines for another 2.5 kw. After that it is time for a second rack.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782378 << HVAC provided airflow we do have. Air arrive into the cool aisle cool, Leaves the hot aisle not too incredibly much warmer but noticably so.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 09:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782314 << well, i'd expect airflow at all times driven by the dc HVAC. i dunno you'd want to buy space in a dc with no internal airflow. i've also never been in one that had no internal airflow. then again i've never been in a clean room that had no internal airflow either.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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BingoBoingo: Awe the crashing is crashing
shinohai: Buenas Dias BingoBoingo ... pronto llegara una Qntra
BingoBoingo: Muchas gracias
ave1: So, I've created a vpatch of the mp-wp I'm running, would it be OK to publish this?
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jlCHQ/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mod6: mornin'
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782333 << hey, we get systemd in, right ? the reboots' gonna be so fast you won't even notice them << lol☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for a service won't appreciate random reboots
phf: !~later tell danielpbarron ack
jhvh1: phf: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782376 << lulzily enuff, it so happens that asciilifeform has, in actual life, racked variously overclocked konsoomer boxen, for industrial use. (and did not even, as might be the naive expectation, 'live to regret it!11' : in the ~particular~ application , it worked.) but asciilifeform is not in the spamming biznis; will not attempt to feed his advice down the throats of folx who specifically do no☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 09:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782311 << but the firm expectation based on no experience is how alf gets in trouble like...daily. why copy what dun work from him ?
asciilifeform: t want it.
asciilifeform: overclockism is an interesting subj and -- very heavily depending on the application ( i.e. is it cpu-bound ? or will you simply be making a hotter chip wait 800 cycles for each out-of-cache memory access instead of 500... ? ) can be The Right Thing. but i have nfi what use case mircea_popescu has in mind . ( mine was number-crunching, and i had specifically written the routine to fit in L0 . )
asciilifeform: nao if he intends to overclock ~the memory~ ( konsoomer, ddr3 or even -4 , as i understand, non-ecc... ) , then the gods themselves...
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/07/photos-from-a-republican-rack/ << Bingo Blog - Photos From A Republican Rack
shinohai: BingoBoingo: s/Gingo/Gringo/ ... also double `a's` in paint marker section. Nice norp though.
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd
BingoBoingo: Processing Qntra
shinohai: ty!
BingoBoingo: !~ticker market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8188.9, vol: 44808.28039899 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8133.0, vol: 123457.99863739 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8157.1, vol: 18902.7274665 | Volume-weighted last average: 8148.81639322
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/02/mayoman-squeals-as-buterins-waterfall-weakens/ << Qntra - Mayoman Squeals As Buterin's Waterfall Weakens
shinohai: Kudos on the mayoman pic BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: ^ Congrats shinohai on the first LATAM homed Qntra to get a picture
shinohai: \o/
mod6: BingoBoingo: plz to request another 2 images. one with front door all the way open, as far back into the isle as can be taken. i.e. try to see if you can take a full frontal with the door open. and the same for the backside.
mod6: maybe take a couple so you hopefully get one less shakey.
BingoBoingo: mod6: These requests have been noted on the paper of the to do for the next visit
mod6: Thank you Sir. From the box butts picture, from what i can tell, looks pretty much what I expected / standard. i.e. the 'fast'-rails that we've purchased should work ok. a few more images will help tho. thanks!
BingoBoingo: Also next trip I am bringing a measuring tape. The hash marks go up to 20 in the middle of the cage before counting down again. I assume this means a 39 or 40 inch deep cabinet, but will measure myself to confirm.
mod6: Ah, good call.
mod6: Another, perhaps interesting set of images would be to take a pic of the front of the cabnet from off to the side a bit -- to show the perfereated tiles in the the floor (if it's done this way) ; and the same for the back.
mod6: something like this maybe: http://archive.is/kyJ7S
BingoBoingo: In this hall, as per the post and previous mentions in the logs cooling comes from the monster chillers in the aisles. More specifically these guys https://www.vertivco.com/en-us/products-catalog/thermal-management/in-row-cooling/liebert-crv-in-row-cooling-system-19-40kw/
BingoBoingo: In other halls they operate in montevideo they have the vertical room for raised floors, but in this building the vertical distance from structural concrete to more structural concrete is the limiting factor.
mod6: Oh, ok.
mod6: I was kinda confused on that part.
mod6 looks at image
mod6: 79"x12"x43"
mod6: do they have one per isle?
BingoBoingo: Given the size and ratio of coolers to cabinets there seems to be a healthy amount of excess capacity. There is more than one per aisle.
mod6: Ah, ok. neato.
BingoBoingo: Each hot aisle has at least one on each side pulling in hot air for cooling. . ' . ' . Is an approximation of the arrangement
BingoBoingo: Actually this perhaps models it better http://archive.42u.com/cooling/in-row-cooling/liebert-crv.htm
mod6 looks
mod6: ok gotcha
TomServo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782364 << prolly more than half are not, but the overclocked ones typically are☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 09:20 mircea_popescu: the idea that desktop towers are well cooled is ridoinculous on the face. i dun think half of them are, tbh.
TomServo: BingoBoingo: You might consider pointing your switch toward the back of the rack for better cable management. Gain 1U if you can double up with your qntra server. (but I would put it at the top)
BingoBoingo: TomServo: That makes a lot of sense. Qntra is not very deep, physically.
BingoBoingo: If I do it this week before more boxes arrive it is 4 screws and maybe 10 minutes of downtime.
BingoBoingo: * 8 screws
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8200.0, vol: 43861.21981026 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8144.0, vol: 115285.83569904 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8199.0, vol: 18076.9948479 | Volume-weighted last average: 8163.46949649
mircea_popescu: so i broke off my legs again, had to be carried off teh beach. MAN I FUCKING LOVE THE OCEAN!
mircea_popescu: but in other "mp's bed, bath & lifestyle", teh hos got this dr teal's epsom salt body scrub" somewhere. best thing to rub on your legs when you've driven them to literally collapse from sheer exhaustion.
shinohai: Heh I have a box of the lavender kind in my medicine chest. Good stuff.
mircea_popescu: word.
asciilifeform: broke legs?!
mircea_popescu: well, broken as in no longer working, not as in fragmented bones.
mod6: omgwat
asciilifeform: aa
mod6: just played too long in the water?
doppler: started turning into fish
doppler: fish don't have legs
mircea_popescu: word, i'm evolving.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah.
mircea_popescu: the waves here are fucking superb.
shinohai: lol Mermaidcea Popescu
ben_vulpes: oh man, i would really like to learn to surf
mod6: surfing is the best
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there was this bunch of hotties surfing on their own btw...
mircea_popescu: it's great to watch young woman butt on board paddling, you know ?
ben_vulpes knows, but only from videos
mircea_popescu: anyway. great times.
mod6 envy
mircea_popescu: hey, come over. i'll show you where it is. odds of girlybutt > 100%.
lobbes: Ah, warm ocean is best ocean. I could never enjoy the cool northern ocean I grew up next to, even in the summer. My extreme lack of fat insulation always led to my body becoming a flesh anchor. "Just relax, you'll float" "huh? Relax how?"
lobbes: I remember setting foot in a tropical ocean for first time and thinking "ahhh this is what all the fuss is about"
mircea_popescu: lobbes it's like 22 celsius. pleasure to step into. literally.
diana_coman remembers northerners going: "soup, this is LIKE SOUP"
mircea_popescu: it was warmer than my balls.
lobbes: Ah see thats the key. Ball temp differental is usually my main problem with cool waters.
mircea_popescu: correction : i see it was actually TWENTY EIGHT
diana_coman: ahahah, SOUP!
mircea_popescu: word.
mod6: heheh. sounds awesome.
mircea_popescu: oh and there's like, a buncha sandcrabs
mircea_popescu: i threw one a crumb of sandwich, he spent like 5 minutes trying to stuff it into his hidey-hole
mircea_popescu: DELISHIOUSSSSS CRUMBBBB
mod6: haha.
mircea_popescu: oh, and did i mention the macaws ? and the pelicans ?
mod6: birds on bird errands eh
mircea_popescu: there's a macaw tree ; and hundreds of pelicans fish in the wake.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> oh man, i would really like to learn to surf << i'll never forget the first time i caught a wave. something very zen about the whole experience.
mod6: it isn't easy to time it right, but once you get it, wow.
mircea_popescu: there was a guy that was pretty good, Z-d counter-wake with great agility.
mircea_popescu: but most people just you know, ride it a few meters and faceplant.
mircea_popescu: that's another great thing to watch, girlibutt going from paddle to standing. she's got one second to lift lift lift!
mod6: sure, yeah, takes practice. i seemed to pick it up pretty ok, found that it's not /that/ different from turns on a snowboard.
mircea_popescu is mostly a surfpectator.
mod6: yeah, the girls are pretty fun to watch
mircea_popescu: better than skating imo.
mircea_popescu: well... wetter than skating at any rate.
mod6: heheh. i used to love watching the figure skaters
BingoBoingo: Here on the playa Pocitos we get the windsurfers, they persist when the waves get too ballsy for swimmers.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: was watching from beyond the break?
mircea_popescu: well, it varied. i go where the ocean sends me, you know ?
mod6: yeah, gotta watch out for the riptides too
ben_vulpes: no notrly, /me suffers from lobbes-style sinkism
ben_vulpes: every second in the water is a fight to stay at the surface
mircea_popescu: mod6 they actually have riptides here, moderately bad. also stingrays, and sharks, AND CROCODILES.
mircea_popescu: but whatcah gonna do, not ever die ?
asciilifeform: there's something to be said for being eaten at sea. but i'd still rather try for the big cats, where available
mod6: mircea_popescu: yah, gotta live a little every now and then.
mircea_popescu: surfers lose the occasional leg. rarely actually eaten, ocean typically only wants a taste.
trinque: riptide got me as a kid, actually felt like kind of a little badass when I came out of it
mircea_popescu: but i lost my 2nd pair of slippers, through the procedure of sit down in car, forget to pick them up. i guess im buying a half dozen next.
mircea_popescu: trinque it is. from what i hear can drag you 5 miles.
trinque: nb
mircea_popescu: now, the floor is very smooth and the incline very forgiving, so you wouldn't be much deeper than maybe 5-10 meters even then.
mircea_popescu: but man, and kid also, can drown just fine in 5 meters of water.
mircea_popescu: i certainly could manage it.
asciilifeform: man, if he earnestly tries, can drown in bucket also
mircea_popescu: in bucket i can float.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Here on the playa Pocitos we get the windsurfers, they persist when the waves get too ballsy for swimmers. << everytime I think of windsurfing, i think of horseface nearly getting hit by that giant boat.
mod6: makes me laugh
mircea_popescu: they have a sort of sea paragliding here, i have half a mind to try it sometime
mircea_popescu: looks pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: basically a large kite of sorts, with you attached.
mod6: ah, yeah. that can get a little dicy if you're 50+ feet up and the wind dies.
mod6: i guess lot of these are pulled by boat tho.
asciilifeform: these are very popular in the beach i go to
asciilifeform: often dozens of people riding'em
shinohai: http://archive.is/zEfQN <<< heh I didn't know this, to XRP genesis means "Block 32570"
mircea_popescu: so you go splat, big whoop. tho yeah, i kinda see boats with it always.
mod6: shinohai: bwahaha. man, another usg scam that refuses to die
shinohai: But the raw tx's are totally there, so no worries!
mod6: mircea_popescu: there many rocks/coral in that area?
mircea_popescu: i've not seen any, except two small fragments on the beach. white sorta carbide rock, notrly coral like people think of, the rosy australian stuff
mod6: ah. sounds pretty decent. that coral is nasty if you fall / get a laceration from it
mod6: (speaking of things that refuse to die)
mircea_popescu: hey, "impaled on coral". better than "impaled on acura"
mod6: agree.
mircea_popescu: in other not rteally news, "moonrise kingdom" is not even atrociously bad. pubescent lovestory, not quite white cat/black cat but still.
asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/59x0S/?raw=true << possible qntraism
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.