a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 17:59 asciilifeform back from dentist... new one better than prev, nao with anaesthetic! tho costs ~3x moar, pretty impressive inflatola, ~1k orcbux for ~halfhr of drill
phf: asciilifeform: i saw the last messages on btcbase, but i'm curious what if anything got lost
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:37 Mocky: asciilifeform, nice and warm. encountered a traffic wtf. stop light in the middle of the city with literal 10 minute cycle time in one direction ~20 seconds. took 3 cycles for my taxi to get thru
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:47 Mocky: speaking of streets, street names appear totally optional, address can be a paragraph long description.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:54 asciilifeform: Mocky: does the place live up to the reputation for 'top smog' ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 19:57 trinque will take a signed message from phf on what cruft to saw off
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:37 Mocky: asciilifeform, nice and warm. encountered a traffic wtf. stop light in the middle of the city with literal 10 minute cycle time in one direction ~20 seconds. took 3 cycles for my taxi to get thru
mircea_popescu: ftr, my lag (to card.freenode.net ircd-seven-1.1.7 DOQRSZaghilopswz CFILMPQSbcefgijklmnopqrstvz bkloveqjfI ) is 0.0s
phf: it's definitely a lag between the irc servers, because i got the same burst of your messages, while i was getting ascii in realtime
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 22:40 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell Mocky Don't forget to foto blog
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 23:14 asciilifeform: apparently asciilifeform is insufficiently expert entomologist... dun recall what it was.
Mocky: foto blog is in the pipeline, sometime after figuring out coffee and food
mircea_popescu: do muslims still not have strip clubs because females dancing is immoral ?
Mocky: sunrise at 5:30, coffee shops opening at 7 or 8, *grunt*
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 01:30 asciilifeform: ... either via the usual means (instrumented node, spilling its peer table) or via brute force ( port scan 8333 )
Mocky: in this neighborhood evidently 24hr coffee = starbucks
BingoBoingo: I don't think our Starbucks opens until 10 am
Mocky: i'll be damned if i came 7 thousand miles to drink starbucks
BingoBoingo: You should have seen the lines in April when it first opened
Mocky: mircea_popescu, dunno: hard to tell if dancing while covered head to toe in black cloth
Mocky: 'plus' was googles chance to play the role of bing, but to facebook
BingoBoingo: Nah, not with all the circles. Too much for users.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: both are logging, mine has a gap of several days i must stitch in.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-09 18:52 diana_coman: hm, speaking of costa rica style...do they actually have hot water at the taps in costa rica (i.e. not shower only)?
diana_coman: so hot water yes in qatar but coffee not before 7-8am, weird
deedbot: billymg voiced for 30 minutes.
billymg: first of all, apologies for cluttering the channel, i missed when my name was mentioned earlier
billymg: i don't mean to only lurk, i'm a long time log reader and am hoping i can be of service to any of the lords in their projects. by trade (as defined in fiat land at least) i am a ux designer and developer. happy to introduce myself in the channel if i am voiced again
deedbot: asciilifeform rated billymg 1 << new blood
billymg: i pm the output of the decrypted OTP to deedbot?
billymg: i work for your typical sv company, which is my current connection to a fiat faucet, and for that reason i'd like to keep this identity separate from my fiat identity (to avoid an overzealous coworker who may stumble upon the logs trying to get me kicked for a CoC violation or whatever)
billymg: i have been working in the "tech industry" for about 10 years now, mostly as a ux designer but i can also produce code
☟︎ billymg: asciilifeform: ah, i understood that your situation was more independent, like that of a consultant/contractor?
billymg: art not so much (not a designer of the graphic/illustrator variety)
billymg: but more of the software interface variety. although i can also make things look aesthetically pleasing
billymg: but i have worked a lot with those in the graphic/illustration side, so can speak their language and manage them through projects if need be
billymg: that's the area of the republic i am perhaps least familiar with
billymg: i know it's the home of eulora
billymg: if that's where the priority is though, then it would be great to help out there
billymg: i can pull together some older examples, will think about where to host/publish
billymg: more recently i was running the design operation for the company though
BingoBoingo: billymg: You probably want to hang out in #eulora
billymg: BingoBoingo: buenos dias, gracias
mircea_popescu: phf young harlot made "oh, all my friends are on sugardaddy type sites now" comment, made me think of you.
BingoBoingo: In other news, today is pizarro invoicing day and hanbot's auction closed per "<lobbesbot> AUCTION # 367 has ENDED: 500usd via WU SOLD to BingoBoingo for 76mn coppers. Attn: hanbot" leading to a price of 6579 usd/BTC
☟︎ BingoBoingo: As this was a public auction, I am inclined to believe this is the number we should be using for invoicing.
billymg: this nick is new, my key is new, and i am new at irc
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 15:26 asciilifeform: billymg: i suspect that this hazard is largely mythical : asciilifeform for instance has blogged under his human name for >decade nao, and never 1nce encountered this problem
mircea_popescu: you have no idea (in fact, i am sure no human can form idea, as an attempt from first principles) what the frisco atmosphere is like these days.
mircea_popescu: they literally caged ~50k monkeys who have nothing to do all day. king of the flies is a joke, these are adults (well...) not highschoolers and tens of thousands not hundreds.
billymg: fwiw i'm in the nyc branch of sv (impossible to distinguish, i imagine, when on "campus")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but you're missing the details, such as "girls complaint ? air corrodes tampon thread, can't pull them back out" sorta truly annoying interplay of general principles.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1860043 << if you're very much dedicated to sticking to ux, eg eulora's client's in the early stages of being rewritten, Mocky may want you. otherwise, just pick something and whine at the owner, from v to whatever. write a mp-wp theme. there\s wghat to do.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 15:27 billymg: i have been working in the "tech industry" for about 10 years now, mostly as a ux designer but i can also produce code
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works because alien dragon being of pure energy, charges from wall socket.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 03:34 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-09#1859841 << hory shit, i still pay ~40. includes pretty girl, nice view, lots and lots of hygienic ritualism... and anesthetic, tho i don't take that.
billymg: mircea_popescu: thank you. Mocky: let me know if you need help with anything
☟︎ billymg: somewhat related to an mp-wp theme, i'd very much like some reliable hosting. do i join #pizarro to ask about that?
billymg: are the rockchip mini servers shared hosting as well? or is it 1:1 customer:hardware?
billymg: i tried speaking in pizarro, i don't see a deedbot to message about voice
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mircea_popescu: but really, i'm not a huge fan. mostly got it for teh hussies. also had splendid green matcha, mutcha bettera.
mircea_popescu: actually this is a very nice japanese place, eel, yellowtail, red snapper, even serves kimchi.
mircea_popescu: (immature and overspicy, but then again they're not koreean)
mircea_popescu: well, folks who personally know other folks can beg for a rebirth cert from those other folks. not that it fixes everything.
mircea_popescu: in any case, even if i say "basfii-liceform is actually asciilifeform 's new key, he managed to lose the old one", you'll be stuck speaking from the new name and depending on everyone evermore both a) encountering that notice and b) giving a shit, to jump the gap.
billymg: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: understood
billymg: what is the best method for backup? other drives or paper/physical?
mircea_popescu: i just noticed i sent BingoBoingo an unelf message. were you elf'd before ?
mircea_popescu: whatever, key defense function of key value. so far he's just some guy with a coupla noob ratings. can be reproduced in ~afternoon.
mircea_popescu: iirc other than new voice model, a "flush addy" was also in deedbot upgrade spec.
mircea_popescu: not that it solves the ~general problem~, now gotta safeguard the addy.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo don't you find it distinctly amusing that reputation has "puta" in it ?
billymg: not even coupla noob ratings :(
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I find it entirely natural and to reputation's credit that it would have puta
billymg: asciilifeform: excellent, noted
mircea_popescu: even translates fine back to english : the rewhoreation of the biwhoretwos.
BingoBoingo: I think they also might have a zoo over there
BingoBoingo: Fellow could have hitched a ride on a truck
mircea_popescu: snake can be very sneaky, but usually younger / adolescent males. this dude seems quite adult, i'd expect moar territorial with hissings and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: usually... who knows. i can't tell from pic iof still has his lol
BingoBoingo: Well, Carrasco where the fellow was found is one of the "richer" barrios
mircea_popescu: kinda how the plague m,oved, too. old history of shipping spreading... new ideas.
BingoBoingo: Well, shipping container would be on the other side of the city. Could be airplane passenger
BingoBoingo: hitchhiked on landing gear, fell when doors opened
BingoBoingo: Well, location of being found lines up with airplane approach path
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( raccoon, to euro folx, can look like exotic fairy tale beast, but it's effectively a dog-sized rat , can chew hole straight through the typical north ameristani wooden house ) << Latinas apparently view mapache (aka. trash panda) as mystery critter and protagonist of children's stories
mircea_popescu: " Latinas apparently view mapache (aka. trash panda) as mystery critter" << that's pretty funny, seeing how... that's EXACTLY how people see latinas themselves!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, maybe you need a better dog?
BingoBoingo: The best ways to coonicide are 1. 100 lb dog assigned to sentry duty 2. cage traps 3. projectile weapons
mircea_popescu: anyway, from experience of my north american east coast dwelling friends, the correct racoon weapon is actually a crossbow.
BingoBoingo: This is why you need 45 kg of either black and tan or bluetick hound assigned to sentry duty against 3 lb pest
BingoBoingo: What the fuck is your neighborhood feeding them
a111: Logged on 2017-09-19 04:57 asciilifeform: trinque: how'd you react to neighbour cornfuck leaving poisoned bait for your beast to find ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe you need to start a coyote reintroduction program in your region?
mircea_popescu: hence the old west expression "a coon's age" for ~forever.
Mocky: speaking of deathless beasts in the wild, I'm curious how other people get notified when you have new blog comment to be moderated.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: lives for ~decade in wild easily. << From what I understand coons live fast for 1-3 years and that's it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall this video of a coon exhibiting all the "intelligent" behaviour of black chicks code : was rubbing a rock against a glass door, because it had seen rocks open glass doors before but didn't quite understand how impact works. so cargocultcoon.
mircea_popescu: they really could do it! rob 7/11 stores for bottles and car tanks for gasoline, end the world.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> fuckers can unscrew jars. << The can also "play", I recall one time at scoutcamp they improvised a hockey game using a tin as a puck. Coons are perfectly capable of doing it for the lulz.
mircea_popescu doesn't share the coon hate, having never lived for long where they actually were pests.
mircea_popescu: ~everyone in mass/ct/nh/vermont etc fucking hated coons tho.
BingoBoingo: I suspect they only become mega pest in areas with coyote and deer deficiency
BingoBoingo: When I left hometown they were pest, but not asciilifeform doomsday pest. More urban customers to my last fiat employment described asciilifeform type doomsday pest, but they also lacked coyotes
BingoBoingo: Both raid trash. I suspect the coyote is bigger factor. Takes 40 lb scavenger/predator niche
mircea_popescu: depends. one day walking through forest saw doe chased by "barking" buck, tied up companion naked, arms bound behind back and hoisted over branch, then fucked her. great lulz were had!
Mocky:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-10#1859947 >> btw, has there been any consideration of publishing a signed tar ball of the first, say half million blocks. not to have them set in stone, but like 'at height 550000, these were the first 500k' for purpose of eat-block jumpstart for nodeless noobs, such as myself? Log search didn't reveal it to my eyes.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: Mocky yes, actually. both as current "checkpoint" mechanism and otherwise. but you gotta also familiarize self with "fleet in being" concept, discussed in logs pluriously.
mod6: asciilifeform: seems up from here -- but yah, we've had problems with it lately.
Mocky: oh, i didn't realize it was that much better with aggression. my prior, discouraged attempt was without aggression and looking to be substantially slower than 3 weeks
Mocky: mircea_popescu, the significance of keccak here is to have a better hash of same?
mircea_popescu: for the job here discussed, keccak stands with "other hash" like car stands with kitchen robot.
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of kramer, "i tried to make gravel and... it... it just didn't work"
Mocky: i got lost on kitchen robot, non existing item?
mircea_popescu: La fille de joie est belle au coin de la rue là-bas. Elle a une clientèle qui lui remplit son bas... /me sings
mircea_popescu: Mocky it's a riff on how they use tiny mouthfuls at time. car just goes.
mircea_popescu: problem with sha is that it has no niche besides "fuck you, i'm lazy", and even there... md5.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, in crc applications crc32 much better, as alf pointed out ; and in what-is-being-hashed-is-long applications, keccak npq.
mircea_popescu: certainly i'd rather use keccak than ~anything else for the "make crypto out of trapdoor" style alf thing for example
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 15:55 asciilifeform: but to return upstack , if one could design a satisfactory ( somehow! ) hash , it would thereby also necessarily be a satisfactory symm cipher.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 18:10 asciilifeform: a 'secure prng' is fundamentally THE SAME animal as the 'secure hash' and the 'secure blockcipher'.
deedbot: bvt voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: 6CF3EFF892A7F23E7E798E5EBA6B8C054B962B68 registered as bvt.
bvt: Hello, I am BT from the recent diana_coman's comments section
☟︎ bvt: I have a bug report for vpatch from phf
bvt: Sorry, don't have a WWW, but the fix should be a one-liner
bvt: sure, but I guess you are interested in explanation as well?
bvt: empty string ("") is special-cased in GNAT runtime, which does mktemp equivalent internally
☟︎ bvt: but also sets a Temp bit in File record
bvt: GNAT 2016 runtime deletes all files with temp bits at the Finalization stage, so everything should work fine. (Not an ada specialist, so when finalization is actually run is a mistery to me)
bvt: GNAT 2017, though, deletes such files on Close call.
bvt: Nope, ave1's is 2016
deedbot: asciilifeform rated bvt 1 << n00b, ada/vtronics experiments
bvt: well, I was reading logs for a really long time
bvt: I can't say I'm doing anything interesting in everyday life (PhDing in CS)
☟︎ bvt: I live in germany, ukr by origin
bvt: "security", so in the end in boils down to handwaving problems away with TLS (aka pseudosecurity)
bvt: Hello mircea_popescu!
bvt: I was too naive when I entered academia. Hoped for honest investigation of technology, but everyone there seems to be ok with building on broken stuff.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 21:18 asciilifeform: interesting. so will bomb on gnat-2017 ?
bvt: I was man-aloning for quite some time
mircea_popescu: well, they say the path to sanity comes with finding out there's a word for insanity
mircea_popescu: (this is not even so trivial a point -- generally insanity is perceived as so very personal by the insane.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 21:15 bvt: empty string ("") is special-cased in GNAT runtime, which does mktemp equivalent internally
mircea_popescu: introduced in 2001. would explain why yt blisfully unaware.
mircea_popescu: Never use mktemp(). Some implementations follow 4.3BSD and replace
mircea_popescu: XXXXXX by the current process ID and a single letter, so that at most
mircea_popescu: 26 different names can be returned. Since on the one hand the names
mircea_popescu: are easy to guess, and on the other hand there is a race between test‐
mircea_popescu: ing whether the name exists and opening the file, every use of mktemp()
mircea_popescu: is a security risk. The race is avoided by mkstemp(3)."
mircea_popescu: let me guess, this is like, the golden age of f&o&linus source ?
phf: posix mandates 6 x's, glibc 3 or more, etc. thanks bvt for catching it, though it seems like a solution is to roll own
mircea_popescu: phf why do you even use it at all ? i mean... hash the time with a salt, that's your filename. no good ?
phf: well, you still have to stat the filesystem to make sure you're not clobbering
mircea_popescu: neither "add some entropy" nor "inline asm" strike me as bad solutions.
mircea_popescu: though i've never seen this thing where parallel execution gets same clock value. i half suspect it's hardware fucked to not.
phf: asciilifeform: to be fair musl's version is naive, it generates/stats in a loop until there's no collision, but theoretically you can still get a race condition. glibc i believe does all kinds of smart tricks to ensure that doesn't happen, but it's all magic
bvt: iirc mkdir does atomic 'create or error-out'
mircea_popescu: unless there's further constraints, such as "all random numbers are 4"
mircea_popescu: not what we were talking about! still error condition.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-10 21:22 bvt: I can't say I'm doing anything interesting in everyday life (PhDing in CS)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is an amusing symmetry, republican machine that halts if it can't touch entropy like imperial machine that halts if it can't phone nsa hq.
mircea_popescu: this'd make a great sf-ish story : archeologist in far future uncovers remains of lost intergalactic civilisation,
mircea_popescu: "my phd in ancient history is -- the reason X civilisation died. turns out, physics subtly cvhanged, rendering environment uninhabitable for them"
mircea_popescu: yes well... great sf is always large scale dog bites man, imo.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the dog&man permutation duality translates escape-or-enslave dilemma.
mircea_popescu: you know, boat crashes on amazon island. some of the sailors -- excited to be rescued. some others -- burned down rescuer ships.
mircea_popescu: anyway, point being -- lamp's enough, don't have to turn off the chap's computor.
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