tmsr - Log 2018-10-28

mircea_popescu: item could have a certain artful oldschool-cool air about it, if the key was dips.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i considered it, yrs ago, but imho it has serious minuses in the field

mircea_popescu: i suppose this is true.

mircea_popescu: can it take normal kbd then ?

mircea_popescu: well... keyin pw every bootup, i guess.

asciilifeform: tbf in principle you dun need kbd, at minimum, only 1 char 'eye hole' and left/right/enter button set

mircea_popescu: takes too long. just type a pw, what.

asciilifeform: ( usg's locks work this way, one of their few sane techs, 1980s vintage. thing starts each new char at random init value, too, so peeker dun see anyffin useful from the side )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea being that one could enter pw even with other folx ( in e.g. restaurant ) looking on.

mircea_popescu: this is so not the usercase...

asciilifeform: specifically it, no. but, say, using in a room where windows without blackout tape , possible use case.

mircea_popescu: i suppose the ~usecase is where dorks think they have a right to look into your bags because you are crossing a "border".

mircea_popescu: "make every bag a diplomatic bag" sorta thing.

mircea_popescu: "color their bits", the 2019 version of 1970s "grab 'em by the pussy."

mircea_popescu: all this will result in so much yadda, but anyway.

mircea_popescu: i have 0 expectation it will do anythingf besides create a lot of idle wank in "law enforcement" circles. ☟︎

asciilifeform: btw i'll add, nobody with half a brain would cross idjit ameri-border with device + card. 1 or the other at a time.

asciilifeform: ( speaking here of proverbial, rather than the actual one, for some reason the actual border has ~0 interest in asciilifeform's cargo , to date, was almost disappointing. . 100x moar poking' and prodding' in orcistans this far, for asciilifeform )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz they figure "you'll lead them to the terror cell" or some such nonsense.

mircea_popescu: (yes, there is a do-not-disturb list, also, where they put people mostly for the above stated reason (it "wouldn't be fair" to put the inca elite on it, CORRUPTION!!!). as evidenced in these very logs, the process is just as trivially hackable as any other piece of imperial software -- asciilifeform gets the benefit of being a kronprinz without having as much as met this AllMother (and while bemoaning the whole time the unfai

mircea_popescu: rness of life in general and etcetera). because hey, whynot.)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, dun even need to be kronprinz, you pay fiddibux or i fughet how much it was

mircea_popescu: nope, not at all.

mircea_popescu: this is the other one. just about the only way to get on it is to be a potential "embarassment" in the sense of, "we X are following this guy, why are you Y letting him know".

asciilifeform: ( i was speaking of the lul where they give you a subscription that opens the no-customs door on the way back ~into~ reich )

asciilifeform: ( tho theoretically even these get occasional sonderbehandlung 'pour encourager les autres' )

mircea_popescu: cuz the correlate of "french secret services accidentally sms terror suspect" is necessarily SOME KIND OF LIST. cuz that's how you build an empire, you make lists.

asciilifeform: from what i can tell, their entire concept of 'terror suspect' is a hardcoded enumeration of largely accidental/stylistic features, e.g. 'bearded camel fucker', 'weev', 'loud activist'

mircea_popescu: whole empire is a collection of superficialities. "car" is defined similarily.

mircea_popescu: or "rapper" or "businessman" or whatever yo upick.

mircea_popescu: women, right ? built themselves the femstate, magically don't understand why a) it dun work and b) nobody likes them still.

asciilifeform: the concept of 'terror cell' that has 1-800 pnoje also, i suspect, throws the gears out of alignment. 'but where is the seekrit inner one, where they mix sarin', i expect, is the eternal itch.

mircea_popescu: hey, let them grow tits come over.

asciilifeform: 'wtf, where is the plutonium in this suitcase, all derp has is buncha 1u's'

mircea_popescu: no, no, it's still for the plutonium-sarin.

mircea_popescu: see alf, your eternal "IT IS JUST A TRICK" works both ways lmao.

asciilifeform: 1 factor is that usa is mega-travel hub, so extensive derping with erry suitcase is impractical ( queue is slow enuff from the bush-era 'bright idea' of inspecting shoes ). reportedly in e.g. israel they try to do the 'copy erry disk' thing, there it is at least roughly practical in re traffic volume

mircea_popescu: more power to 'em. i always carried rsa'd dumps.

asciilifeform: e.g. the outer seals of the trunks with the 1u's, were popped, and the pieces helpfully taped to a 'this crate inspected for the motherland' receipt inside ( inner seals intact, lol )

mircea_popescu: well yes, but security theatre is specifically there to give some spam fliers the appearance of a loftiness they do not merit.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a little tricky to ~boot~ from rsa dump, with bare hands, tho

mircea_popescu: "oh, this piece of paper ? VERY!!!! different from what buskers/joefish/.whatever hand out. THIS ONE HANDED OUT BY BLUE USG!!! BIGGEST THING IN IMPORTANCE!"

mircea_popescu: course, pointing out to them they all say the same thing... also throws wheels into gears or how did it went. as eminently evinced by http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/#selection-331.0-331.255 and such

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they not simply 'say same thing', it's a form letter, not even rubber stamped but initial'd by some monkey

asciilifeform: ( unlike ye olde su, usg has a shortage of fancy rubber stamps , for some reason )

mircea_popescu: "wait, what do you mean we're just another spammer vying for your attention with all the others ?!?! but we don't tape papers to trees, we tape them to luggage insides!!! GOTTA COUNT FOR SOMETHING!"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz emancipated nation of africa rubber producers ? nfi.

asciilifeform: there is, for instance, an Official cap on benjies, iirc 10k. but nobody ever counted'em in any usg airport i've been to, for so long as they fit in wallet

asciilifeform: or, say, woman's purse, nobody ever searches, they poke inside with a ceremonial stick.

asciilifeform: or could go on, but there's too many of these and they aint particularly interesting to catalogue

asciilifeform: the checkpoint queues are ~100% theatrical, when they want some d00d 'by name', typically pick him up at the check-in desk, long before he gets to the queue ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( on rare occasions -- in airplane just prior to take-off, it makes for convenient ad-hoc jail )

a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, except for manufactering, because Obama said you can't do that in US-istan. Hence Lenovo getting IBMThink and Global Foundries getting all of IBM's fab work

BingoBoingo: Anyways, if Gab somes knocking, I will try to get a price for them. Considering they were hosted on MS Azure for a long time, it is hard to tell if they can fit at any price or if their all comers deal makes them dependent on cheap Fort Mead bandwidth

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have difficulty picturing the derps actually ponying up the coin to cover the not-insignificant cost of housing their rezistenta prin cultura idjitmagnet. but whoknows.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do have difficulty with that as well. Anyways people, no platforms.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-28#1866904 << cuz all the "picking up" left available is by name only ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795382 extends, extends. ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-28 17:37 asciilifeform: the checkpoint queues are ~100% theatrical, when they want some d00d 'by name', typically pick him up at the check-in desk, long before he gets to the queue

a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 03:06 mircea_popescu: eh. the quality of police work has so terribly degraded in the past half century, if anyone does ANY PLANNING AT ALL it's a murder that'll never get solved.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a serious wtf re serpent, and neither the s.mg/classic ada, nor the orig paper, has helped me to make sense of it, and i'm suspecting that i'm thick... so here it is:

asciilifeform: for I in 0..131 loop W(I) := Rotate_Left(W(I-8) xor W(I-5) xor W(I-3) xor W(I-1) xor 16#9e3779b9# xor Unsigned_32(I), 11); end loop;

asciilifeform: ( was about to ask 'so does it actually use the other 4 32b words..' then it clicked )

asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why the fuck the author used this adhocism, with 1way propagation, rather than an actual hash (and 'because all other blockciphers did' is not an answer.. )

asciilifeform: for that matter, why not let user give the full 528bytes (132 x 32b) of key material, why this whitening is hardwired in.

asciilifeform: ( anyone who considers 528byte an excessive key, can use e.g. keccak as expanded, instead of the 1970s strange , neh )

asciilifeform: so then i go an' reread the paper, and whole thing is in this style. 'oh i picked the sboxes based on shuffling des's and rejecting the variants that keep bits in position toomuch' but where IS this scratch work posted?? apparently nowhere.. )

asciilifeform: 'oh posting intermediate calcs Would Be Wrong (tm), some scum could find out that we're fulla shit', or is there some other plausible hypothesis here..?