tmsr - Log 2019-08-31

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 592494 atm.

asciilifeform: trinque: iirc you had some box in asia -- consider to put logger there. the moar, the merrier.

asciilifeform: i expect the load times will tell us something interesting, just as before.

asciilifeform: ( and when we teach'em to talk to each other -- then can kiss goodbye to fleanode... )

asciilifeform: will be lulzy if we even end up with bigger net than fleanode, simply from the junk boxen people ~already~ have.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932253 << congrats diana_coman! I tip my hat to your beating me to the finish line

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 12:06:34 diana_coman: yeeeee, works and test-live at logs.ossasepia.com (185.163.46.29)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 12:07:47 diana_coman: name's ossabot so can haz !o maybe?

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932283 << I do understand the 'spammy-ness' of it; perhaps could have two commands: a !Qlater chan and !Qlater pm

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 12:36:27 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1932106 << what, the later tell delivery ?

lobbes: but this is one of those "no real need to solve today" problems imo. Can sit on it a while

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932520 << ftr, THE thing that helped me the most in the last month was removing a broken homefront partnership from my life. My saltmine job (as an "excel jockey") has remained the same for the last 4 years

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 15:34:08 asciilifeform: mod6: talk with lobbes , he seems to have made progress escaping his.

lobbes: Note, too, that my saltmine right now IS a "9-5", only I lucked out finding one that a) "pays well" and b) I don't, actually, work a full "9-5". I'm bezzling the bezzle, in a sense

lobbes: (while this lasts, of course. The 'sword of damocle' hangs over ALL of us still sucking blood from the reich, "9-5" or no.)

lobbes: s/sucking blood from the reich/*depending on* the reich to suck blood from/

lobbes: mod6: take it from me, please, the best thing I ever did was start blogging/writing things down/*expressing* myself. Only through this kind of reflection (and by this I mean analyzing the reasoning you used in the past for action and analyzing your reasoning for future action), and through the critical eye of others can that fog even start to clear

lobbes: in other words, make a post my friend. If anything I'll read it and comment

lobbes: annd I'm off to bed. Got LAMP stack up on heathen server yesterday; tomorrow gonna try logotron proper

diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932624 -> thanks for posting the versions that worked on your testbed, they saved a lot of futzing around!

mircea_popescu: keks, no moar "parliament". only took 1k or so years, the albiontards are slow.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 09:31:14 mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.09776 1KQ6jRPaa9RneTYMppJiMCsd1RqMeQM8H

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i noticed that your db snapshot link dun go yet. here is example, how mine worx. and here is the crontab. can adjust paths for yours.

asciilifeform: these will go in the 'readme' at next patch.

diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you; I haven't yet set the cron jobs, yes; will do it later today.

asciilifeform: if next patch is diana_coman's -- invited to put in cron etc.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: power supply (w/ nominally jp caps) for rk plant, bought

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my original plan included a serial-controlled relay board for rebooting individual rk. but nao thinking, just how often anyone asked to reboot ? do we need this ?

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I can't remember reboot requests for the rockchips that didn't involve disk swaps

asciilifeform: rright, and the thing will still have to be slid out an' opened to swap

asciilifeform: so i'ma omit the relays ( granted the 1u flat setup will be considerably easier to swap pieces in, than in old plant )

asciilifeform: i.e. nomoar 'towers of hanoi'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: item will actually slide, given as will have only 2 wires going to it (mains & 1 ethernet) and not 15

BingoBoingo: Very nice. is there going to be space in the case for FUCKGOATS, 2.5" SSD's etc

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 4 pads for FG ( could moar, but could interfere with air )

asciilifeform: and 2 2.5" ssd

asciilifeform: the primary win of closed 1u chassis for rk is proper, civilized forced air

asciilifeform: presently i blame 100% of the headaches in pilot plant, on lack of proper air

asciilifeform: even these, i suspect, would've lived 4x longer w/ air.

BingoBoingo: Maybe, but there just wasn't more than 5 to 10-ish square mm of metal surface exposed on them for air to do much heat exchanging

BingoBoingo: And it looks like we have consecutive days of TRB constipation 592597 has yet to enter the canon

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yest.'s episode cemented in my head the insufficiency of my orig. 'aggression' patch. i strongly suspect The Right Thing is some variant of ben's. with the orig., node eats 5-10 blox when connects to trb peers on restart, then the connections stable and gets nomoar for hours. whereas on ea. restart, in facts gets the 5-10.

asciilifeform: ( iirc in ben_vulpes's variant, 'if no block for 10min+, milk all peers' )

BingoBoingo: Well, I just restarted one ~15 minutes ago. Has yet to pull the missing block.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'can only pull rabbit from hat if rabbit is in fact in the hat'(tm)

asciilifeform: i was speaking specifically of 'i ~know~ these people have x, so why do i only get x-10,x-9,... when connecting to'em and then nuffin' )

asciilifeform: the correct frequency with which situation 'trb node a is at height H, its peer trb node b is at H-k, for hour+' oughta happen, is ~never~

BingoBoingo: I'm suspecting a lot of nodes on the intermediate PRB version numbers 0.8, 0.9, etc before peer-to-peer pki-ism are falling enough that we may have few bridges allowing communication between prb and trb

asciilifeform: before considering any such horror, rly oughta fix propagation b/w trb !!

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and fwiw i suspect that the entire set of >7 nodes is 100% solid dross, and responsible for 0 block conveyance

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: think, this is elementary. as soon as they issue a 'bloomism' or similar cmd to a trb node -- they get malleus'd. and yet we still get blox in realtime for 6-7 months at a stretch.

asciilifeform: ( moreover, they issue it -- and get the ban -- a few msec after connecting. ergo they are responsible for 0 brought blox, and in fact we gain 0 from talking to them )

asciilifeform: to formalize : asciilifeform's current hypothesis is that there is a thin 'tube' of trb-compat. nodes b/w pekin & trb orchestra. responsible for 100% of new blox.

asciilifeform: whereas the 4000 or however many pseudonodes making up the claimed heathen net -- simply get in the way.

asciilifeform: currently i lack the tools with which to solidly prove or refute this hypothesis. but fwiw have not yet encountered any clue which would contradict it.

asciilifeform: the most helpful currently unavailable tool would be a troo and honest survey of publicly-reachable nodes of erry type. ( via port scan of ipv4 and subsequent interrogation , by properly-written proggy. )

asciilifeform: atm no one has the hands for this, sadly.

asciilifeform: currently 0 is publicly known re the actual state of the net ( the heathen 'survey' www's are ~disinfo~, they deliberately conceal specifically the nodes we are interested in. )

asciilifeform: will add : survey of public nodez will also tell us something re the nonpublic ( unless the folx talking to these, took deliberate care to modify their public noad to avoid listing'em in the disgorged peer table )

asciilifeform: iirc past coupla yrs of prb won't even give peers table. but i'm not interested so much in what prb nodes have to say to begin with.

asciilifeform: ... cuz they fucking aint nodes. they're enemy outputs that do strictly as little 'node-ing' as can get away with and still dupe idiots into operating.

asciilifeform: *outposts

BingoBoingo: Generally that is the object to allowing weeds to thrive. They choke out everything else.

asciilifeform: some subset of chinese are almost certainly tuned into prb net specifically to collect that delish candy of eventually-unwindable 'pay-anyone' segshit tx.

asciilifeform: some subset -- not.

asciilifeform: ( from my pov -- making the sig optional was ~the~ shitoshi design bug, all the other retardations are scarcely anything if stood in comparison to it )

asciilifeform: as i understand , all that'd be needed to bring that shitshow to a permanent close, is a dozen or so blocks mined w/ '51%' thrust, containing the segshit unwinds.

asciilifeform: it's already , likely, a +ev proposition. and the only thing preventing this nuke from firing, is the cowardice of the folx holding the detonator.

asciilifeform: marx -- was wrong, i suspect, when wrote that 'for 200% profit, capitalist will sell mother; for 300% -- will go to almost certain noose'. he did not account for cowardice.

BingoBoingo: Well USG.State still feels comfortable trying to throw the Cantonese speakers against the Mandarin speakers. Gotta wait for the white worms to internalize their worthlessness

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody ever 'internalized worthlessness', they sit around w/ wagner an' cyanide and bloviate re their 'aryan superiority' even as the tanks wind'em up onto treads

asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's 'and they won't yield' piece re subj.

BingoBoingo: At some point some of them realize there are tanks treads to evade for which there is no answer other than Mujica's "No hay que ponerse delante de las tanques"

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: consider, usg.dos et al dun seem to have any trouble finding bottomless supply of orcs quite ready to 'ponerse delante de las tanques' in the name of clitler.

asciilifeform: ( apropos of subj -- it is interesting to consider why 'tiananmen wank' is a thing in cn. the not-so-seekrit answer is that open discussion of subj would indeed cost the crowned heads their necks -- but ~not~ for 'ohnoez, killing protesters' -- but instead ~for having left any alive~. their 'grievances' included e.g. 'how dare pekin permit sons of peasants to enter university' . )

asciilifeform: i.e. current cn politburo is ~soft~. sided w/ pantsuit !

asciilifeform: went to 'compromise'.

BingoBoingo: 1999 book by now deceased Israeli. Intro by Gore Vidal. Probably the best English language resource on why USG and Israel insist on suicide pacting together. https://archive.org/stream/JewishHistoryJewishReligion_665/JewishFundamentalismInIsrael_djvu.txt 1999 book by now deceased

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this q never struck me as a deep mystery. angloreich gotta have its 'unsinkable carriers', israel, taiwan, south kr, etc

asciilifeform: all exist for roughly same reason.

asciilifeform: south vietnam was gonna be on the list, but 'oops'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re israel -- consider fact that stalin happily funded it, while it was -- briefly -- a bone in the throat of angloreich, rather than province in good standing of same

asciilifeform: !qs altalena

asciilifeform: ^ see also re subj.

BingoBoingo: Dr. Shahak covers certain aspects of the talmud/rabbinic tradition that don't get earnestly translated into English much with respect in ingroup/outgroup. Covers some specific aspects that get adopted as policy through unholy mixture of modern democracy and pre-internet missives on communications ethics.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~100% of the folx who gave rat's arse re 'talmudic tradition' went in the ovens. i.e. it has as much to do with the current 'unsinkable carrier' as the spew of thomas aquinas has to do with current usg.

asciilifeform: which is to say -- not 0, but epsilon as close to 0 as you might like.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps earnestly, yes. Then you fill up a strip of desert with refugees, tell them they have an identity. What do they do when they get the old books? They start cargo culting themselves into super special snowflakes. Being super special snowflakes together is the core of the US-Israel alliance.

asciilifeform: searching for 'talmudic' underpinnings of curent il is a favourite, i'm aware, preoccupation of 'armchair archaeologists', in much the same spirit as 'pedo-pizza proofs'

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which is why I discount that space except for the folks inside that camp screaming "This is why they keep doing it to US!"

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho it's entirely reminiscent of anglo 'sovietologists' who tried to 'find out what makes them reds tick' by reading engels

asciilifeform: sometimes, believe or not, answer is not 'in the book', but in front of nose.

asciilifeform: ( tho folx who dun like what is in front of nose -- will happily bury selves in 'the books', or in pedopizza reddit, etc )

BingoBoingo: Well the text is a Holocaust survivor presenting: "Three Druze soldiers who served in Goldstein's battalion approached their commander and asked for another doctor to be stationed in their battalion, because they were afraid that Goldstein would refuse to treat them in case they were wounded. Because of their request Goldstein was reassigned to another battalion."

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phunphakt -- in early-period israel, 'localhost surviver' wasn't considered worth to brag, it was seen (generally correctly) as ~= 'quisling'

asciilifeform: 'why you fuck -- alive, while my father -- dead ??'

asciilifeform: later -- phase change, and became 'honorific' .

asciilifeform: !qs kastner

asciilifeform: from horse's mouth.

asciilifeform bbl:meat

BingoBoingo: And here we are. It's 2019. The Chinese are big. Russia is selling a missile plus radar picket system designed to make "Shock and Awe" operations impossible. The first F-35 joint strike fighters become operational and http://qntra.net/2019/07/israelis-enthusiastically-burning-f-35s-stealth-window-with-strikes-now-in-iraq/

BingoBoingo: I don't see anything other than a martial interpretation of Argentinism (Modern Democracy) at work. Rah, Rah, We R Kool and God/IMFLoans/SovereignDefault/Buitres will indemnify our tribe in the end so long as we appear to go through the motions.

BingoBoingo: Anyways,my criticism of antisemites is they read way too much of each other's wank and not enough of what their target say to each other.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 13:24:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you; I haven't yet set the cron jobs, yes; will do it later today.

diana_coman: the scripts for bot & reader are a bit iffier in that I couldn't test them (and they look different from asciilifeform's because of the python version on centos).

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 15:41:21 mod6: the important thing for me is that i'm resolved to not just sit around and wait for things to happen to me, re: 9-5 tarpit. im starting down a path of emacipation from that. might take some time, but not too much time.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: go ahead and make a 'centos' in /contrib or where were these, in vtree, other folx may want'em

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932542 << let him focus on that one thing and get it done. doing 1-2 hour of sweat here and there little things is for when time is flowing to your advantage.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 15:48:20 asciilifeform: mod6: depending on whether you have a box where can run python & postgres, it is maybe 1-2hrs of sweat.

asciilifeform: i can't imagine diana_coman is the only 1

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 15:52:11 asciilifeform: imho an orchestra of log mirrors / bot boxen is a notbad prelude to the eventual gossipdification .

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suggested mirrorism to mod6 cuz iirc it's the type of chore he's historically a++ in. as i understand lobbes is 99% of the way to 3rd logger , so not exactly burning , tru

mircea_popescu: not a matter of burning. a matter of, in his position, he has ONE thing to do, and it must be done immediately. time is ticking away. that's NOT when you start picking up small side quests.

asciilifeform: fair'nuff

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 17:55:26 diana_coman: test line citing works, quite nice

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932622 << wouldn't even be that surprising ; freenode's about as dead as disco

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-30 23:38:39 asciilifeform: will be lulzy if we even end up with bigger net than fleanode, simply from the junk boxen people ~already~ have.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they've, what, iirc -- 7 ? working boxen left

mircea_popescu: i recall going through the chans at some point , ~0 live material came up

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 01:58:05 lobbes: mod6: take it from me, please, the best thing I ever did was start blogging/writing things down/*expressing* myself. Only through this kind of reflection (and by this I mean analyzing the reasoning you used in the past for action and analyzing your reasoning for future action), and through the critical eye of others can that fog even start to clear

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 17:25:44 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932588 << want this on the av list ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 11:33:34 trinque: mircea_popescu: didn't get a !!v for that one

asciilifeform: btw re trb : BingoBoingo et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/whogave_10_20_2018-8_31_2019.txt << almost 1y of 'who-gave' blox log .

mircea_popescu: for future reference, it's /msg chanserv flags #trilema ossabot +V

ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 17:56:46 mircea_popescu: for future reference, it's /msg chanserv flags #trilema ossabot +V

asciilifeform: btw : awk '{print $8}' whogave_10_20_2018-8_31_2019.txt | sort | uniq > givers.txt >> less than 200 nodez !

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 14:51:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and fwiw i suspect that the entire set of >7 nodes is 100% solid dross, and responsible for 0 block conveyance

asciilifeform: i.e. 46115 blox, from 182 nodez !

asciilifeform: and 0 from anyone else. (zoolag, asciilifeform's personal noad)

asciilifeform: 5205 of these from piz alone .

asciilifeform: ( to be utterly pedantic : the however-many ~other~ peers, they got connected , ~were asked for next block~, and ~said 'fuckoff'~ ! )

asciilifeform: from this log, it would imho not be a mistake to say that there are approx 200 boxen that could be described as btc nodes . the rest -- are https://www.oglaf.com/humans/ .

asciilifeform: (i.e. as seen from the publicly-reachable net. )

asciilifeform: entirely possib. that the actual # is smaller yet -- some % of the 182 may be folx on dynamic ips, or since dead, or otherwise >1 to 1 ratio of ip in log to physically-alive machine .

asciilifeform: anyone else running a trb w/ 'who-gave' -- invited to publish theirs .

BingoBoingo: In the end humans on the internet fits in the Dunbar number while "humans" on the internet are uncountably prolific

asciilifeform waves to the lurker from argentina searching asciilifeform's log for 'learn ru'

asciilifeform: 3y of lurk oughta be enuff for anyone, imho !

asciilifeform: report to #a, herr lurker, get yer uniform & spade . dun let life pass by while watching .

asciilifeform: btw , re nodez : while read p; do echo -n `grep -c $p whogave_10_20_2018-8_31_2019.txt` " " >> givers_count.txt ; echo $p >> givers_count.txt ; done < givers.txt ; sort -r -n -k1 givers_count.txt > givers_sorted.txt >>> yields this .

asciilifeform: will put in l0gz, ftr : the only nodes that gave >100 blox of the 46115 :

asciilifeform: 11638:188.121.168.69, 7330:208.94.240.42, 6841:188.165.209.181, 4665:161.0.121.248, 4049:82.79.58.192, 3456:50.65.189.23, 1945:158.140.128.224, 1782:193.93.74.78 .

asciilifeform: err, >1000

asciilifeform: together these 8 accounted for 41706 blox, i.e. >90% of the total mass.

asciilifeform: #4 place winner is BingoBoingo at piz ; #2 i think is BingoBoingo's old box in usa, if i'm not mistaken