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williamdunne: If that is freedom, so is gangrape
williamdunne: In that case with voting there is -1 freedom
justJanne: Without voting, there is 0 freedom
justJanne: Voting makes it 50% freedom, as at least 50% of the people gets their choice.
williamdunne: Voting arguably reduces freedom
justJanne: But without voting there is 0 freedom.
williamdunne: Voting ain't freedom
justJanne: Freedom is when you'd get to vote on it.
trinque: this is freedom
assbot: Logged on 19-05-2015 00:58:49; justJanne: And the personal freedom in the Nordic model is larger than in the US.
decimation: ^ more nordic freedom
justJanne: In a few years, the US will have reached the level of freedom that somalia has.
justJanne: Yes, somalia has more personal freedom, but again, try living there.
justJanne: And the personal freedom in the Nordic model is larger than in the US. ☟︎
justJanne: But again, the idea of the Nordic model is huge personal freedom, at the same time a stable society that provides a great basis for everyone.
justJanne: mats: your freedom ends where the freedom of the others begins
mats: justJanne: b-but don't you believe in freedom?
williamdunne: A mouthful of freedom; http://38.media.tumblr.com/88b077e9cd05d5b539bfebc783d3627e/tumblr_n9tskosimG1r7e6duo2_400.gif
mircea_popescu: trinque human freedom is a very limited thing, after all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/freedom-to-tinker-derp.png ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:27:38; asciilifeform: re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now.
danielpbarron: i posted a comment to that freedom to tinker thing a couple days ago; it didn't get approved
asciilifeform: and articles like this, https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/jbonneau/be-wary-of-one-time-pads-and-other-crypto-unicorns which is a kind of 'mouse poison' in the sense that it combines perfectly valid observation 'don't use random bozo's java crypto turd' with 'one time pads cannot work'
asciilifeform: and that 'freedom to tinker' now hosts things like https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/randomwalker/bitcoin-faces-a-crossroads-needs-an-effective-decision-making-process
asciilifeform: re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now. ☟︎
decimation: heh there are amusing layers here > "In 1854, when sculptor Thomas Crawford was preparing models for sculpture for the United States Capitol, Secretary of War Jefferson Davis (later to be the President of the Confederate States of America) insisted that a Phrygian cap not be included on a Statue of Freedom, on the grounds that "American liberty is original and not the liberty of the freed slave". " ☟︎
asciilifeform: and 'freedom fries' etc
asciilifeform: 'The world knew US forces had killed bin Laden in Abbottabad. Panic city. What to do? We need a “functional body” because we have to be able to say we identified bin Laden via a DNA analysis. It would be navy officers who came up with the “burial at sea” idea. Perfect. No body. Honourable burial following sharia law. Burial is made public in great detail, but Freedom of Information documents confirming the burial are d
assbot: PorcFest - The 12th Annual Porcupine Freedom Festival PorcFest ... ( http://bit.ly/1KykSUr )
hanbot: danielpbarron: wtf is a "porcupine freedom festival"?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some "internet entrepreneur" dedicated to "creating freedom"
mircea_popescu: "there's free as in beer, free as in freedom, and free as in your time has no value"
pete_dushenski: ok, value of your own freedom and independence
williamdunne: Citizenfive: I'm probably one of the younger people here, and from my experience the biggest complaints are that any sort of discourse from rhetoric is largely discouraged, and you are given almost no freedom as to move outside the syllabus.
asciilifeform: i live in the lands of beautiful freedom, where folks throw trash from moving cars etc
mircea_popescu: what of his freedom!
ascii_field: the only reason you are reading this by electric light, instead of mumbling to yourself in a field, is that someone had the freedom to counter-economically pull his mental dick by experimenting with strange.
pete_dushenski: but hey, freedom isn't free, right ?
BingoBoingo: Setup a freedom toaster at a conference, some idiots are going to put one up in a space they have access to thinking it will attact passerby outside the conference distortion swirl, same with BTC ATMs
mircea_popescu: im starting to realise the "bitcoin atm" thing is actually just a sort of "freedom toaster" v2.0
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 01:45:04; Cogburn: I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no"
Cogburn: I think we can bullshit the current system by crypto inside of the existing rules and bring about real change. I do not believe in the decentralized anarcho-capitalist utopia as a world-spanning solution to our ills. I think people will live that way if the want to, but real freedom is the ability to say "no"
Chillum: mircea_popescu: without the freedom to make mistakes you are forever under the tyranny of those who are "correct"
mircea_popescu: but the freedom to make mistakes is a luxury not a freedom.
Chillum: freedom is the freedom to make mistakes. If people want to pay for something I will give it to them. I give free advice, it is rarely taken
decimation: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/03/27/text-indianas-religious-freedom-law/70539772/
funkenstein_: came with a free difficult to decipher t-shirt that says "entropy this ease freedom"
mircea_popescu: brendafdez: The fact that people here see the US as the land of freedom really boggles the mind.<< they believe teh movies.
brendafdez: BingoBoingo if much of your feelings of unsafeness stem from local State corruption, you'd like it in Argentina. It's not that there's no corruption over here, on the contrary, but they get to interefere much less with peoples lives. The fact that people here see the US as the land of freedom really boggles the mind.
chetty: got to love that freedom of speech right
Adlai: and Cyberdyne Systems are justa buncha freedom fighters
danielpbarron: "By developing software that does that and by assuring that we have enough block space to include all the rules. Why everything that you say has to be limited somehow? Why can't we have freedom to do whatever we want?"
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BingoBoingo: Still, escape is more reliable for the same reason this "security" talking head is wrong https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/in-partial-defense-of-the-seahawks-play-calling/
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:51:36; mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
decimation: this happened mere months after the revolution was proclaimed to be 'of the people', 'for human rights', 'freedom', etc
mircea_popescu: gtfo, what usian has known freedom ?!
mircea_popescu: "No matter how many episodes of Orange Is the New Black you’ve binge-watched, the experience of life behind bars is basically unfathomable to those of us who have only ever known freedom."
mircea_popescu: i have the fucking freedom to do it, and im dying with it.
decimation: "„Es wird diesem Land nicht einfach gemacht, seinen Weg in Freiheit und Selbstbestimmtheit zu finden.“ Der Prozess bleibe schwierig." < It is not easy for this country [ukraine] to find its way to freedom and self determination" [Merkel] said
chetty: well in fairness, tome boys dont always want to be boys, they just want the freedom
gribble: Schneier on Security: Random Number Bug in Debian Linux: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/05/random_number_b.html>; Random number generator attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generator_attack>; The Debian OpenSSL Bug: Backdoor or Security Accident?: <https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/kroll/software-transparency- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: for one thing, i was never short of guns when it actually came to guns to defend freedom.
mircea_popescu: i am certainly more interested in a "print your own chips" road to freedom than in the "print your own guns" approach.
thestringpuller: jurov: .2xxx btc I'll pay it...for freedom of press and stuff.
assbot: mattayes comments on I am David Boaz, Cato Institute EVP and author of The Libertarian Mind: A Manifesto for Freedom. AMA! ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDxk24 )
assbot: I am David Boaz, Cato Institute EVP and author of The Libertarian Mind: A Manifesto for Freedom. AMA! : IAmA ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDxhn0 )
asciilifeform: ialism. As it is, the aeroplane is primarily a thing for dropping bombs and the radio primarily a thing for whipping up nationalism. Even before the war there was enormously less contact between the peoples of the earth than there had been thirty years earlier, and education was perverted, history rewritten and freedom of thought suppressed to an extent undreamed of in earlier ages. And there is no sign whatever of these te
pete_dushenski: this is the railroad vs. freedom debate
asciilifeform: had an early draft where it was phrased in a particularly comedic (unintentionally) way, where, parody of rms and his 'software freedoms,' the sqrt(-1)-th 'freedom' was to be 'freedom to understand'
punkman: princeton: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/randomwalker/nine-awesome-bitcoin-projects-at-princeton/
decimation: in theory, a libertarian is in favor of freedom from the state, but in practice they generally find themselves to be enslaved by statist liberals
mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
assbot: Freedom Fry - Shaky Ground (Hey Na Na Na) by freedomfry - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBD9Yy )
mats: https://soundcloud.com/freedomfry/freedom-fry-shaky-ground-hey-na-na-na
mircea_popescu: then in a decade they start with the "TIME TO RUN ALF OUT OF THIS FREEDOM MOVEMENT"
mircea_popescu: "In the year of '61, we left our native land, 'cause we could not bend our spirits to the tyrant's stern command. So we rallied 'round our Buckner, while our hearts were sad and sore, to offer our blood for freedom as our fathers did before...."
mircea_popescu: “On the morning of January 12, the day after the three-month exhibition was closed, the public prosecutor's office of St. Gallen seized and sealed our work. It seems, the purpose of the confiscation is to impede an endangerment of third parties through the drugs exhibited by destroying them. This is what we know at present. We believe that the confiscation is an unjustified intervention into freedom of art.”
fluffypony: yeah I'm talking about the artist's reaction - "We believe that the confiscation is an unjustified intervention into freedom of art."
dub: Prime Minister Manuel Valls saying that freedom of speech should not be confused with anti-Semitism, racism and Holocaust denial.
dub: oui oui will defend the freedom of expression with our lives. Condoning terrorism! off with your head
ben_vulpes: <benjamindees> [] Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason. Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems. Mining may not be a long-term solution. But inflation is non-negotiable, regardless. << who are you again?
mircea_popescu: <benjamindees> Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason. Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems. << that's not the reason he had. here is the reason he had : http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/
benjamindees: Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason. Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems. Mining may not be a long-term solution. But inflation is non-negotiable, regardless.
mircea_popescu: freedom is this, not something else.
mircea_popescu: "rights = just like freedom, except when you might need them or wish to use them. then they're like a cock up your ass."
adlai: and if morality is part of the question... deep down, i'm one of those software freedom zealots. not quite to the point of GPLing everything i write, but yes to the point of sharing my work.
decimation: lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - de Tocqueville
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the freedom of the semiconductor belongs - not! to the fellow with the factory - but the one who controlls the entire process stack << so much bull. and i suppose the freedom of the press belongs to conde nast, because mp can't write a blong and it can't be more widely read than mashable because wikipedia won't admit to it and that matters. o.O and okay...
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: nigger is one thing, that's like freedom of speech << for some reason the Chappelle show skit that involved a white family with the last name "Niggar" came to mind.
mircea_popescu: nigger is one thing, that's like freedom of speech and shit like that. but saying the bad about mpex and shit ?
asciilifeform: the freedom of the semiconductor belongs - not! to the fellow with the factory - but the one who controlls the entire process stack
asciilifeform: the old saw about 'freedom of the press' belonging to the fellow with the press;
decimation: yet there's just enough 'freedom' to make the little people think that they actually control something
mircea_popescu: and it's what generally happens whenever a state claims to be "protecting rights". it's not protecting anything, it's stealing freedom and issuing in its place token "rights". which, much like its paper currency, are fiat worthlessness.
mircea_popescu: trading a freedom for a right is always a bad deal.
mircea_popescu: in any case : a freedom is something the people have, and the state can't take away. the rights are constructions that the state gives, and so the state can take away.
thestringpuller: http://www.livingstondaily.com/story/news/local/community/brighton/2014/12/21/cursing-teen-mill-pond-ignites-debate-freedom-speech/20745957/ << this guy
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people noticed the subtle change from freedom of speech to an alleged "right" of free speech.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: well just don't get arrested over freedom of speech lol << speech isn't really a freedom at that point is it?