mircea_popescu: trb transactions will necessarily, always and everywhere be translatable to whatever shit-flavour-of-the-day "everyone" is using because "no reasonable objections".
mircea_popescu: the chances of the reverse being possible decrease with every "everyone" and every "reasonable" and every "users came to expect" and so on.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 23:26:49; mod6: <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 does yours (or anybody else's) 'v' verify the hashes ? << mine uses the vpatch hashes to build the dep map
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 23:40:46; mircea_popescu: i've had it with this age of bullshit-reason where you gotta explain things to idiots with a first-paragraph-of-many-wikipedia-articles education as if everything can, or indeed should, be put in those terms.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 23:49:50; punkman: the basic idea of segwit is not bad, should have been there from the start, without the "softfork" complexity, no ANYONECANPAY-looking crap, without making another merkle tree, without blocksize discounts and enlargements, without planning to use it as a vehicle for future "painless" shitgnovation
mod6: asciilifeform: ok, so add the ability to check the hash of the output file (post press) against 'b' in the vpatch?
BingoBoingo: Oh, dulap is the one I've been connected to for a while nao
BingoBoingo: Mine still rejects most tx because fee under 0.001
BingoBoingo: Yeah, the orphanage kill was a great thing
BingoBoingo: So is "/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/ (99999)" the recommended version string for 0.5 branch until diddling because so few
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform>
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348050 << you know what's great? rat poison STILL WORKS even if you don't explain to the rats exactly ~how~ ! <<< precisely. moreover, every new generation of rats agrees that it doesn't work. which somehow does not have any deleterious effects on the rat poison itself.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 23:40:46; mircea_popescu: i've had it with this age of bullshit-reason where you gotta explain things to idiots with a first-paragraph-of-many-wikipedia-articles education as if everything can, or indeed should, be put in those terms.
BingoBoingo: In other news "/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/ (99999)" is tied for 38th place by nodecount per 21.co's thing
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but in the plus side only takes 10 more to make it into the top 30
BingoBoingo: If shennanigans could always "go stealth" and pile on as 10th place /Satoshi:0.8.6/ (97 nodez)
mircea_popescu: costs significantly less than what's in the foundation coffers to line up 10k amazon instances and let it rip.
mircea_popescu: nobody gives enough of a shit, but anyway. "army in being".
mircea_popescu: anyone in the foundation leadership familiar with the military strategy concept ? ben_vulpes mod6 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115300 @ 0.00049822 = 57.4448 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i suppose should prolly call it fleet in being for historical reasons, but anywya.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it's a converse/correlate concept to the overton window.
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:51:36; mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't have to store anything to get the version string out.
mircea_popescu: "The first great step was taken long ago," said Mr. Monk,–"taken by men who were looked upon as revolutionary demagogues, almost as traitors, because they took it. But it is a great thing to take any step that leads us onwards."
mircea_popescu: wouldn't kill anything. just make the "electoral process" a direct equivalent of the time man-of-the-year competition,.
mircea_popescu: its mere presence already accomplished most of that, anyway.
BingoBoingo: "This is not true, compatibility with old nodes is funny preserved." << loller from minez
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 16:37:59; mircea_popescu: and em-poor-en.
mircea_popescu: "Oportunidad Startups - Potenciate en una StartUp de Latam"
mircea_popescu: It is a shame that the progress of important innovation has been stalled because of generalized public concerns about data misuse.
mircea_popescu: We stepped up to the occasion and supported our partners with passion, but we have realized that this concept is still new, and building public acceptance for the solution will require more time and resources than anyone could have anticipated.
assbot: With $100M From The Gates Foundation & Others, inBloom Wants To Transform Education By Unleashing Its Data | TechCrunch ... (
http://bit.ly/1O0fm1u )
mircea_popescu: The company also wants to help educators locate standards-aligned instructional resources from multiple providers, matching them to students’ individual needs. “We want to create more choice for schools and educators,” Streichenberger says, but not in a way that is overwhelming or makes their lives more confusing. “But in a way that allows startups and companies to create different versions of learning analytic
mircea_popescu: s, for example, with teachers being able to choose the one that’s best for their needs.”
mircea_popescu: if you're happy with ammo dollars (kinda dubious), pretty much every warlord in the middle east got himself as much this decade.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm getting used to the ~$30 contractor bills around here. 4 hour's labour, with tools and consumables. reasonable.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i know why they went for it, but really. fucking dumb.
mircea_popescu: excusable originally, because hey, 1800 machining sucked.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83025 @ 0.00050263 = 41.7309 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: Cabela's - Herter's® Select-Grade TNJ Handgun Ammunition customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings ... (
http://bit.ly/1NE86oh )
mircea_popescu: should be interesting once the plastic guns with plastic bullets start showing up at airports.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 00:49:28; mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm getting used to the ~$30 contractor bills around here. 4 hour's labour, with tools and consumables. reasonable.
mircea_popescu: hey, if you're going to build yourself a proper torture fortress you'll need all sorts of herraderia work done.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8195 @ 0.00049822 = 4.0829 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> anyone in the foundation leadership familiar with the military strategy concept ? ben_vulpes mod6 ? << not in a very formal sense.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i suppose should prolly call it fleet in being for historical reasons, but anywya. << gotcha
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> this girl's a born optimist is she <- I even gave optimistic conclusions ! at each point!! lolz
mod6: asciilifeform et. al. V question: Should I verify the hashes after all patches are vpressed, or after each pressed vpatch in the topological order?
☟︎☟︎ mod6: s/vpressed/pressed/
mod6: if we wait until the end, we'll save some cycles -- and mathematically the hashes wouldn't come out right if somehow the files were diddled inbetween. but I can see some merit in checking after each patch is pressed.
mod6: i suppose i can just 'die' if one doesn't verify after each vpatch pressed. maybe that makes better sense.
punkman: "Possible optimistic conclusion: the new definition of “improved” is going from 34% to 21% success rate. Long (and painfully) live improvements!" lol
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> if you check "at the end" now you have state. << do we want this?
mod6: will check after each and die if not valid.
☟︎ assbot: Elon Musk Wants California To Forgive Volkswagen For Dieselgate (But There's A Very Big Catch) - The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1ODlRU6 )
BingoBoingo: "In contrast to the punishments and recalls being considered, this proposal would be a real win for California emissions, a big win for California jobs, and a historic action to help derail climate change. The bottleneck to the greater availability of zero emissions vehicles is the availability of batteries. There is an urgent need to build more battery factories to increase battery supply, and this proposal would ensure that larg
BingoBoingo: e battery plant and related investments, with their ensuing local jobs, would be made in the U.S. by VW."
mircea_popescu: "What I learned from my failed startup after 2 years, 300 users and zero revenue"
mircea_popescu: fuck those stupid start-ups that have revenue and etc.
mircea_popescu: "Two years ago, on December 2011, I was generating ideas for a business that would help team managers to not suck so much at managing their teams. I came up with this idea because I had some pretty terrible managers in my life. At the same time I worked for about 5 years with leadership development and had some pretty great teams and team experiences. Exactly January 1st 2012 I registered the domain teamometer.com."
mircea_popescu: I was reading The Lean Startup at that time, which is a great book, but not completely fool proof (here is a fool who got it wrong). I started well: in December I created a very basic idea and rough screens of my team management web tool. In January I built a very basic 2 page website with a video explaining what Teamometer.com did and a “try it free” button, which then lead to a page for inputting the email addres
mircea_popescu: s to capture leads (since I had no product, that was just a test to see if there was demand). Then I bought a few dollars in Adwords to drive traffic to it."
assbot: Too Fat to Fuck! China's Fattest Couple gets weight-loss surgery so they can have a baby. - NotYourGoodFatty.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1ODnAsx )
BingoBoingo: "Weighing in at nearly 900 lbs China’s heaviest couple has decided to undergo weight-loss surgery so they can have kids. Lin Yue and Deng Yang have been married since 2010 yet they haven’t been able to consummate their marriage because of their massive fupas. "
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not when the Chicoms can get to 450 a piece
mircea_popescu: from what i hear past 300 or so a valid strategy becomes to just ejaculate and wait for the flies.
BingoBoingo: We need to start recording the blockchain on paper, stat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48931 @ 0.00049763 = 24.3495 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 01:28:30; mod6: will check after each and die if not valid.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 02:03:02; BingoBoingo: Fucking trees with their rootspreading
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is. Copper sulfate helps with that. Still fat fuck trees are so hungry they'll happily turn the shit pipe into a buffet. Behaviorally the things are hamplanets.
BingoBoingo: And follow faster when it finds easy shit.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 01:13:56; mod6: asciilifeform et. al. V question: Should I verify the hashes after all patches are vpressed, or after each pressed vpatch in the topological order?
BingoBoingo: Because you can't take reddit out of the redditors in exile?
BingoBoingo: "Solution : Running with suspenders! No FUPA issues. I'll take a picture next time to illustrate better. It's amazing what a $5 pair of suspenders from Ace hardware will do to keep a FUPA in check. "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9273 @ 0.00049712 = 4.6098 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 308.0842, vol: 6598.51908905 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 305.5325, vol: 6088.35063 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 302.175, vol: 2.6742231 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 317.4304, vol: 78934.70550000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 298.00001, vol: 0.25189048 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 306.47407297, vol: 39.12527421 | Volume-weighted last average: 315.962161932
BingoBoingo:
https://archive.is/rmZSy "During tonight's Democratic debate in New Hampshire, Clinton was running late again returning from a commercial—it's not clear whether a bathroom was involved" << Springtime for Clitler
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87650 @ 0.00049892 = 43.7303 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: ok I have made some additions, and this is what I've come up with:
mod6: it's not fully tested yet -- tomorrow I'll pass the testable version around and some people can give it a try.
mod6: then if everything passes, etc, will publish a new version [v99996]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60637 @ 0.00050157 = 30.4137 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 01:13:56; mod6: asciilifeform et. al. V question: Should I verify the hashes after all patches are vpressed, or after each pressed vpatch in the topological order?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118509 @ 0.0004967 = 58.8634 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100250 @ 0.00049616 = 49.74 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 290300 @ 0.00049231 = 142.9176 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 22:34:54; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform an ast is generated SOMEHOW.
ben_vulpes: alive, in gear, and enjoyable thank you
gabriel_laddel: Heh. Having the first mirror machine and the prospect of automating the install process within arm's reach is a strong motivation to... job hunt.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00049568 = 9.0214 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63400 @ 0.00049999 = 31.6994 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74821 @ 0.00049064 = 36.7102 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36231 @ 0.00049744 = 18.0227 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51701 @ 0.0004976 = 25.7264 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: to 62.210.90.95 ... why the fuck are you downloading the logs bundle over and over ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67100 @ 0.00048993 = 32.8743 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 17:59:12; Anduck: ip 62.210.90.95
trinque: how bout that, #b-a l0gz DNS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46938 @ 0.00049814 = 23.3817 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: Anduck: a gentleman might consider funding the bot's address after using a terabyte of bandwidth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45585 @ 0.00049596 = 22.6083 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00049447 = 16.7625 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70650 @ 0.00050312 = 35.5454 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73262 @ 0.00050315 = 36.8618 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00048812 = 18.3777 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60734 @ 0.00049568 = 30.1046 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29128 @ 0.0004904 = 14.2844 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100337 @ 0.00048639 = 48.8029 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> it is the prehistoric clay pipes which are the problem << clay pipes are best pipes. really.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> whatever did happen to bitcointa.lk << the guy had a good idea back when a few people still thought tardstalk might possibily matter. that was... well over a year ago.
mircea_popescu: trinque> to 62.210.90.95 ... why the fuck are you downloading the logs bundle over and over ? << try an' guess.
mircea_popescu: 100%[======================================>] 11,536,384 3.06M/s in 3.6s
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in other news, sprint.pl "one the most advanced centers in Poland for data storage and processing, created in response to the growing demands of the market" ran off with muh boxen.
☟︎☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00049165 = 22.8617 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: mircea_popescu: was that the new phuctor box?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 19:34:16; pete_dushenski: ima contravexbash this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88984 @ 0.00048897 = 43.5105 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82537 @ 0.00049601 = 40.9392 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72900 @ 0.00049604 = 36.1613 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: Vuvuzela’s design assumes an adversary that
jurov: controls all but one of the Vuvuzela servers (users need not
jurov: know which one), controls an arbitrary number of clients, and
jurov: can monitor, block, delay, or inject tra
jurov: link. Two users communicating through Vuvuzela should
jurov: have their communication protected if their two clients, and
jurov: any one server, are uncompromised.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113800 @ 0.00049703 = 56.562 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00048923 = 34.6375 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105803 @ 0.00049636 = 52.5164 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7251 @ 0.00050154 = 3.6367 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 11:51:26; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> it is the prehistoric clay pipes which are the problem << clay pipes are best pipes. really.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 12:08:09; mircea_popescu: 100%[======================================>] 11,536,384 3.06M/s in 3.6s
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 12:29:21; mircea_popescu: in other news, sprint.pl "one the most advanced centers in Poland for data storage and processing, created in response to the growing demands of the market" ran off with muh boxen.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 12:42:13; punkman: mircea_popescu: was that the new phuctor box?
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 00:17:11; asciilifeform: incidentally, gentlemen, please welcome (back) dulap! 46.166.165.30:8333 (nosuchlabs.com), a trb node running bleedingedge-asciilifeform+rotor(musl)
gribble: Bitfinex | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 328927.03 bitcoins for a total of 7885661.1167 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 0.0046 seconds
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 15:35:20; jurov: " << MIT got inspired
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 08:51:17; assbot: Hitler really did have only one testicle, German researcher claims | World news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/22hEyXu )
mod6: I think this is pretty much what we want. I'll start writing some automated tests for this.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 17:09:24; mod6: So with the post-press hash validator in place, here's some debugging/info output while pressing in verbose mode:
http://dpaste.com/2EM6P8S.txt assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52204 @ 0.00049287 = 25.7298 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65172 @ 0.00048508 = 31.6136 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: "Instead of abusing the exploit i have decided to help Coinbase fix the exploit by telling them step to step instructions on how to reproduce the bug on hackerone. After they were able to fix the exploit i was rewarded a measly $5,000 bounty, which i thought was unfair and was expecting to get upwards of $25,000. I helped them fix something that could have damaged them in hundreds of
☟︎ punkman: thousands of dollars, maybe even Millions if the exploit was executed correctly with the right amount of people. Anyway so after i got my bounty and moved on they put some kind of "secret" ban on my account"
punkman: good god man, why did you tell them about the second exploit
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 01:24:01; mircea_popescu: "you wanted to benefit from responsible disclosure protections, you should have been in the wot" "but at the time i made that decision it seemed a no brainer, why expend the effort" "right. this is why you die."
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: well traditionally a blackhat would have a group and they would deal max damage themselves.
thestringpuller: I've only heard of OS exploits being "sat on" for long periods of time.
thestringpuller: The risk for crime is the gasenwagen. Raiders have always been ride or die.
thestringpuller: I was talking pre-wot days. But sure, I understand what you are saying.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: have you tested it with 'false' entries? (files which were newly created) << this is a good test. it should just do what its supposed to do 'as is' I think? this line will grab the 'b' of the vdiff; my $file_hash = $vp_map{$vp}{$src_file_name}{b};
mod6: and if a new file is introduced the 'a' should be 'false' and the 'b' will be some sha512 hash, and will still be verifyable. correct?
mod6: anyway, yeah, will still test that.
mod6: looks like it did what it was supposed to do.
mod6: so the ones that it /does/ skip is when 'b' == 'false' -- where the file was ~removed~ from a given vpatch.
mod6: yeah, otherwise `sha512sum` returns "No such file found".
mod6: disconnected graphs?
mod6: oh, i see, so like if a patch further down the line (in time) remove a file that a specific sub tree relies upon, that those become removed?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> it would end up as an altogether other tree in the graph << so said patch to add documentation dir would be its own root?
mod6: I guess that makes sense since it wouldn't share any antecedents with the original graph.
mod6: Scenario: Guy creates vpatch that utilizes irc.h (removed in vpatch asciilifeform_ver_no_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.vpatch) must ensure that Guy's patch is on it's own tree?
mod6: i haven't quite figured out what to do about this scenario yet.
mod6: i thought 'wild' mode is simply when no one in wot has provided a seal corresponding to a given vpatch
mircea_popescu: <punkman> mircea_popescu: was that the new phuctor box? << nah, the old qntra cluster. makes it the 2nd time in about a month wtf.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> it splits off from the node immediately prior to the removal << so in this scenario, the antecedents of asciilifeform_ver_no_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.vpatch are [dns_thermonyukyoolar, rev-bump, static_makefile_v002, genesis ]
mircea_popescu: the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue!
mod6: so then those antecedents would point to the new vpatch (at the same node level as asciilifeform_ver_no_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.vpatch) but a separate node.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 15:35:20; jurov: " << MIT got inspired
mod6: ah, yeah, sorry -- following the arrows in the graph.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ahahaha right. let me know when you've seen geysers of shit spewing from your bathtub<<< i don't live in the fucking swamp.
mod6: haha blow your vuvuzela
mircea_popescu: just because you can pump the shit uphill doesn't mean you should.
mircea_popescu: "The breach is believed to be the work of a foreign government, U.S. officials said, because of the sophistication involved. " << fucktards.
mircea_popescu: governments trail in every measure of efficiency, efficacity, sophistication or otherwise success, yet the assumption is that hey, if it work it musta been a government.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2014 18:58:27; asciilifeform: meanwhile! end of sewer saga: city excavated street, disassembled pipe, found tree roots behind the property line - which had become clogged with backed up crud (for the 30 hours or so the city's pipe was broken.) now they will fight with landlord's insurance co.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you think what's wrong with infrastructure neglected for a century is the clay, or the trees, or the roots or the gradients you're a very special fellow.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my story with buying a coupla cartons of cigs for convicts digging street up ?
mircea_popescu: that was the job, replacing the main sewage line. last done in the 60s.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 17:07:47; asciilifeform: do i need to actually read this thing
mircea_popescu: but hey, they got a romanian too right ? must cunt for something.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 17:26:51; punkman: "Instead of abusing the exploit i have decided to help Coinbase fix the exploit by telling them step to step instructions on how to reproduce the bug on hackerone. After they were able to fix the exploit i was rewarded a measly $5,000 bounty, which i thought was unfair and was expecting to get upwards of $25,000. I helped them fix something that could have damaged them in hundreds of
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 18:05:28; asciilifeform: but it is also impossible ~with~ a wot, unless you are mircea_popescu and are in commerce with another mircea_popescu .
jurov: i'd say the answer was "beat the universe down till it allows you to be mircea_popescu"
punkman: I thought the point is to put in others' mouths
jurov: if i come with something usable, then vpatch
mircea_popescu: well, be all that as it may, i do hope that before i die i reach that enchanted nirvana where i don't have to deal with anyone other than mps.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (you simply end up with a dead branch on the tree) << very much this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the other thing a vtron needs to handle is orphans << heh.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 18:36:38; asciilifeform: the only necessary change to make working with multiple trees convenient would be 'multi-press' where you specify more than one 'head'
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 18:25:35; asciilifeform: re: earlier thread: a few hours of thinking led me to another potential boojum in 'v' : cyclic graphs
mircea_popescu: either that or the advantage of thinking in december vs august.
mircea_popescu: anyway. imo the english for lokalizatsiya provala would be "bug"
mircea_popescu: normally this works by going A implies A', B implies non-A',
mircea_popescu: and hence the difference between software that's right, but buggy, and software that's simply wrong - and so can't even BE buggy.
punkman: "containement" sounds close to me
mircea_popescu: hey, maybe the english word for it should be "bridget fonda"
mircea_popescu: in memory of that indigestible imbecileho from city hall who then got her just deserts in jackie brown
TheNewDeal: they're slowly cutting me off from resources
TheNewDeal: and I"m assuming it's the financials next
TheNewDeal: I believe that they used my family to set me up, and now they're going to punish me capitally for sending a bitcoin tx
TheNewDeal: I was researching mpex moneys on the blockchain website
TheNewDeal: and I saw funds go from the usa bitcoin siezure into the mpex funds
mircea_popescu: what else would you expect them to do with bitcoin ? send it to coinbase ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67250 @ 0.00048493 = 32.6115 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: have they always been using these mind manipulation tools in the US ascii?
TheNewDeal: like the ones that require a spectrum analyzer
TheNewDeal: I didn't think that sending a couple transactions would bring on this type of firepower from the US
TheNewDeal: they had used mind control tools. they were literally prepping me with questions to talk to a psychiatrist the night before
TheNewDeal: and they could actually move my vocal cords and limbs as well
trader001: did anyone buy for 436$ to go short?
Birdman: TheNewDeal: It was explained to me as such, the unsustainable inefficient entity that is the USG probably isnt even capable of pulling off schemes like you suggest
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal honestly, this sounds a lot more like a psychotic episode than anything in phenomenology.
TheNewDeal: Watch them, I'm guessing they're going to put up an impending court case against me in the United States
trader001: sorry... I meant buy for 436 to do a little day trading
TheNewDeal: what about all this jazz going on worldwide
TheNewDeal: don't you think there's some sort of world war impending?
Birdman: There are no soldiers if there are no paychecks
TheNewDeal: I'm telling you they used carbon monoxide training, or a similar gas on me in the hospital
mircea_popescu: well, if they do it's not co. you don't cough from that.
TheNewDeal: hmmm it seems i've been duped hardcore
mircea_popescu: in fact people routinely get poisoned with co and have not the slightest inkling.
TheNewDeal: I would not trust my own transmissions in the future, I believe they've gained access to my keys
assbot: You can not rate yourself.
TheNewDeal: can you send me the command, I am still used to the bitcoin otc web trust
TheNewDeal: !rate TheNewDeal potential USG spy, suspected terror alert
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
TheNewDeal: !rate TheNewDeal -10 potential USG spy, suspected terror alert
assbot: You can not rate yourself.
TheNewDeal: I think they're using me to scare people away from bitcoin
Birdman: I think you need to calm down and get ahold of yourself mentally. Good god where's your fortitude man?
TheNewDeal: I'll tell all of you where I live and my name and then they can watch for the news
TheNewDeal: I know you're trying to play me for a fool
TheNewDeal: !rate Birdman 1 suspicious; keep friends and enemies close in the WOT
TheNewDeal: Have you ever had a bunch of people in a room act to lead you on to do something?
punkman: TheNewDeal: what kind of dope did you smoke before checking in to the hospital?
TheNewDeal: I'm not entirely sure. Was probably just normal old weed
TheNewDeal: They're pushing it like hotcakes in the US right now
TheNewDeal: I think they're using it to fund their war on sound computer science
TheNewDeal: any other USians notice any chinese style firewalls occuring for websites like trilema?
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 12:29:21; mircea_popescu: in other news, sprint.pl "one the most advanced centers in Poland for data storage and processing, created in response to the growing demands of the market" ran off with muh boxen.
ben_vulpes: ^^ extraneous '/' in those urls, mthreat kakobrekla
TheNewDeal: anyways, I'll drop my story - back to business
ben_vulpes: TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu's boxes are getting stolen and you're complaining about a bad trip?
ben_vulpes: where's the "MPEx down for over a month in 2016" bet?
TheNewDeal: My sister almost got shot in that massacre in california as well
TheNewDeal: there's a lot of loose ends that are popping up for me
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, how does one calculate the odds of mutually-exclusive outcomes from binary odds on each individual outcome?
ben_vulpes: beyond that mircea_popescu and hanbot are probably the experts and asciilifeform might know the maths
ben_vulpes: take the odds on the republican election
ben_vulpes: unless i'm even wronger than normal that's not a clean mapping
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> I'll tell all of you where I live and my name and then they can watch for the news << alright ?
ben_vulpes: there are n candidates, each with individual odds of winning a competition. how do i derive odds on the whole field from those binary outcomes?
punkman: ben_vulpes: what is whole field?
jurov: ben_vulpes trump running solo is kinda.. ternary outcome, no?
ben_vulpes: jurov: please for to not be getting the pathological cases involved
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there's going to be disagreement so you hafta reconcile numbers somehow.
jurov: they're not pathological, just black swans. with a toupee.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i guess i'm asking if there's a known closed-form solution to this question.
mircea_popescu: for instance : if bet on tails is 50/40 btc and bet on heads is 42/49 btc, and they're both the same coin toss, then you could say it's (50+49)/(90+91) for tails.)
mircea_popescu: if your dice is more-than-two sided exactly nothing changes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00048945 = 16.3966 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes needs a refresher in elementary statistics apparently
mircea_popescu: obviously, HOW you reconcile the numbers is an open question.
mircea_popescu: above, simple weighted averaging. if you have any knowledge of the field there's prolly a better curve to use
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell TheNewDeal Have you considered lithium cooling for your brain to increase USG resistance?
jurov: BingoBoingo: why lithium?
jurov: NaK is imo better, fluid at usual temps, brain can be immersed directly
BingoBoingo: jurov: AHA. I was just thinking something to reduce the voltages a bit, though too much lithium takes the action potentials up to 111eleventy!!! and seizures.
BingoBoingo: Lithium's also the very rare psych drug that actually reduces suicide risk
jurov took cooling a bit literally
jurov: i'm drinking li mineral water too, when feel like it
BingoBoingo: It's good stuff. Just doctor sort of lithium doses aren't very good for actual hot weather. That much of different salt really messes with the sweating and made for a miserable summer.
BingoBoingo: But that's when integer mmol/liter in the body is achived.
BingoBoingo: But you may be right NaK look very promising for immersion cooling
mod6: asciilifeform: ok. i'll think about how to implement these changes to V. right now, im not sure.
☟︎ assbot: Officer in VonDerrit Myers Jr. fatal shooting resigns after crashing car; drunk driving probe opened : News ... (
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BingoBoingo: "When police responded to the accident, a witness said a police car had caused the damage and fled."
mod6: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: what are we to do about the deps for buildroot?
mod6: I've been in halt mode for a week now, not sure if this has been sorted yet.
mircea_popescu: probably will end up having to freeze a specified set.
mod6: 2.4 was ubercrasher for me
mod6: so I think programatically I have it worked out on how to make this happen, was about to test last weekend? lemme dig up the logs on this.
mircea_popescu: in other news, one inch of costa rica coffee, three inches of milk, a pinch of black sugar, three drops of vanilla oil (actual!), four ice-cubes and havana club anejo especial (genuine) qs makes the god-damnedest... bootleg kalhua let's call it/
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> freeze 'em. << what is specifically meant by this?
mod6: dl'em, sign 'em, hash 'em, put 'em in a manifest and distribute?
mod6: or re-package the entire source under our own "fork" of these pacakages?
ben_vulpes: well yes, source of all the deps right? are we biting off buildroot as well?
☟︎☟︎ mod6: my original idea was the former.
mod6: but then alf said it's not ``'V'ifiable'' or something of the kind.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: it would be so good if this "import" model of software died.
ben_vulpes: simply because every additional
http call to get another bundle of source is another weak link, another hole for the night etc
ben_vulpes: plus yeah, we have V, why not really tax it.
mircea_popescu: "you're a whore now anyway, baby, so why not suck this cock"
ben_vulpes: one could stick source dependencies into some "lib" dir, wire that into the builder, update the scripts and then produce some new patches with the entire world, right?
ben_vulpes: only question in my mind is if we stick linus' kernel in there too.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:45:00; BingoBoingo: 2.4.x kernel? *crosses fingers*
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2015 02:21:30; mod6: so what I'm hoping to accomplish here is to alter the .mk files that accompany buildroot, so they pull the 3rd party reqs directly from the foundation site instead of wherever they currently point to.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:25:44; mod6: asciilifeform: ok. i'll think about how to implement these changes to V. right now, im not sure.
BingoBoingo: I might have been a while since I paid attention to Linux kernel versions
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:51:10; ben_vulpes: well yes, source of all the deps right? are we biting off buildroot as well?
mod6: think its worthwhile just to put out the changes for V to have the checking of the hashes in place, while skipping over any "b" that is false? (files that since been deleted?)
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:51:41; mod6: but then alf said it's not ``'V'ifiable'' or something of the kind.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:51:10; ben_vulpes: well yes, source of all the deps right? are we biting off buildroot as well?
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:51:41; mod6: but then alf said it's not ``'V'ifiable'' or something of the kind.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: so buildroot is out of scope then.
ben_vulpes: (the kernel line was a joke, but whatever)
ben_vulpes: dependencies to freeze: bdb, boost, openssl
ben_vulpes: none of those are really human-verifiable either.
mod6: they're all a can-o-worms
ben_vulpes: how to bridge the gap between 'v means i read and agree' vs. 'we need the source for these deps in the v-tree'?
mod6: or simply just a manifest of tarballs/deps required for the one-button-push deployment of trb
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 22:01:59; asciilifeform: incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's 2 that makes me want to vendor dependency sources.
ben_vulpes: our current vendoring goes and pulls that from thebitcoin.foundation, right?
ben_vulpes: implies deps on dns, net, a million failure points.
ben_vulpes: unless we want seperate v 'repos' for each dep for distributing patches to those libs
ben_vulpes: it's vastly more likely that someone's going to need to crap out a patch for eg openssl than replace it wholesale.
mod6: yeah, i think we need to write our own crypto lib
ben_vulpes: and just the likelihood of that happening makes me want those under v.
mod6: as crazy as that might be
ben_vulpes: yeah we might get there and again stan might get hit by a bus tomorrow
mod6: i don't think anyone is slacking.
ben_vulpes will sign off on tarballs and v'd hashes thereof.
mod6: there's just a ton of stuff to do, 'tis all.
mod6: so just to be clear, so I'm not holding anything up here; hashes of the following tarballs in V: BDB, openssl, and boost.
☟︎ mod6: buildroot + its deps included in this list?
mod6: so just those three then? and the rest are outside the scope then.
mod6: Alright, good talk.
ben_vulpes: yeah i didn't hear anything from asciilifeform to the contrary
jurov: btw, i'm testing unchanged same code as i posted with jemalloc and zapmempool does shrink RSS by 50MB
jurov: so maybe we end up with malloc library, too... at least till mempool is completely redone
jurov: i can think of one :D
jurov: "But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't."
jurov: "but hey, this isn't C, but C++". *meltdown*
adlai: "As an infix language, it encourages nested parentheses. Sometimes to a ludicrous extent. They must be counted and balanced." << some maintain that even prefix notation has this effect...
adlai: the culprit is variadicity, syntax is a lot easier when all operators have known 'stack effect'
ben_vulpes: legend has it that he reprogrammed hung satellites on the fly with forth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00048772 = 16.2655 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00048773 = 4.2676 BTC [+]