jurov: inb4 "Our SystemD in the clouds, hallowed be zer name, zer kingdom cometh...
mod6: one turd to rule them all...
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu << again nope. here's a suggested exercise for everyone: take the z80 (find a die shot or whatever) and zoom it out to make the transistors discrete. how much physical space will this occupy? how many tonnes of copper wire? how many hundreds kWatt of power used? for chillers? << Sometime in 2013 on Tardstalk to celebrate advent of the "ASIC Age" I drunkenly pr
BingoBoingo: oposed Burning Man style festival centered around 1 Acre "ASIC" with a goal of at least 1 h/s. Gained insufficient traction.
BingoBoingo: I was more loling at libertard reddit suggesting the rice trick attracts azns to fix the phone. But yes. Clumsy then toasting phone then bragging suggests compiled in the womb without the -SHAME flag set
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'm running at about a block every 45sec to 1:30 on 339018 << Are you really sure you want to be using btcd instead of bitcoind then? November 2013 was the most brutal month I've sync'd so far this round and no where near that bad on this wimpy machine
trinque: BingoBoingo: well I'd expect nov '13 to be easier than jan '15 right?
trinque: strike that again, it's on january now
BingoBoingo: trinque: Well I was off by 100,00 blocks, but looking at the blocksize chart it is really hard to say.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and who among us (other than possibly mircea_popescu) would not rather do something involving a pdp-8 than what they did today. << I was more concerned with the 'actual' smells.
BingoBoingo: Could you imagine if the pdp-8 got full of ocelot dander?
BingoBoingo: trinque: But some months are much slower than the ones that follow. November 2013 sucked. December 2013 zipping by.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i lol'd. for real.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm just impressed reddit lol's so much
mike_c: yeah, that was an actual funny joke.
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decimation: mircea_popescu: "what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"" < aye, and he should have said "I cannot accomplish that which you desire"
decimation: that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum
BingoBoingo: decimation> that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << Maybe there should be trophies for certain people who inflicted directly and personally more than that damage on the fiat system without being politicos?
BingoBoingo: i.e. Actual bum on the street who racks up 15 millions in US deficit via ER frequent flying gets a trophy.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitstein i thought chomsky had pretty much the best points.
BingoBoingo: OMG mircea_popescu and chomsky sitting in a tree s-o-d-o M I E
BingoBoingo: What's blood has an adequate protein/lipid/water ratio to be an adequate lubriacant.
BingoBoingo warns he is going though routine maintenance cycle atm. Drinking away Sunday-Tuesdays's odometer related existential crysis.
BingoBoingo: At this moment I am convinced that even in the absence of a crypto exploit for multisig the PR campaign persists to standardize a set of worst practices as "ISO"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 29! Dangerously close to 30.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I went thorugh collenge notebooks stiking out entire years as total losses.
BingoBoingo: Early freshman year of college I was playing with slowaris and FreeBSD as serious computing solutions. Six years later I was contemplating upnade to windows 8 taken classes in VB.net for web applications because library school.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Plenty of chicks for 4 of six years.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Web app development exercises
BingoBoingo: ANd earlier in undergrad orders to stop submitting hmework as beautifully printed Latex
BingoBoingo: Other library school particular onstacle to windows exodus is catalogging class with OCLC turd
BingoBoingo: Instructor was not very happy in cataloging class when I suggested I turn in my homework on cassette tape as it resembles the media most that MARC was made for.
BingoBoingo: I have yet to determine though whether "web application development" or "introduction to cataloguing" was worse for the soul.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How else do you disarm a population than by feedint its replacements shit and making them love it?
BingoBoingo: HATED, loathed. But it was the lingua class.
BingoBoingo: VB to MSSQL MADE ME FEEL like a polish jew
ben_vulpes: this healthcare thing is a shitshow but i think i found the hack
ben_vulpes: max out of pocket (as if that can be trusted): 6k
ben_vulpes: haw no you see i'm the broker in these relationships
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You are they guy who doesn't realize he isn't even shoveling coal
mircea_popescu: come to b-a to share your tax shelter glory, leave a sad, broken man.
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assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 06:15:04; ben_vulpes: 'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together
mircea_popescu: PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? << "A lot of money, and I am open for an excellent offer."
ben_vulpes: i'm not really working too hard at it, tbh.
ben_vulpes: easier to drive incomes up than expenses down.
BingoBoingo: ;; later tell PeterL : <mircea_popescu> PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? << "A lot of money, and I am open for an excellent offer." << Sigma charges $336/gram for blow... get in on that shit.
mircea_popescu: jurov: "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution" << basic retard motto. "solve everything throiug the group yo! socialism ftw!"
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> easier to drive incomes up than expenses down. << You would be surprised
ben_vulpes: give it three years i won't be able to get the hypothetical children on a plane because the measles risk from unvaccinated retards is too high.
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ben_vulpes: i suppose loss cost goes down as a function of herd size
ben_vulpes: risk of bad time = Σ Pr * Pvfi, i=1..n
ben_vulpes: i've forgotten all of my probability mafs.
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah the high deductible/hsa hack is a good deal
decimation: hsas are generally very good tax shelters
ben_vulpes: i plan to burn the whole thing down this year.
decimation: my company has 10k deductible, 6k hsa contribution, and 4k 'hra'
decimation: 'hsa' is the only tax free money you can withdraw before retirement
decimation: as long as you have a 'health expense'
decimation: roth you can only withdraw contributions
danielpbarron: because of the uncomfortably high chance of acute brain infection leading to permanent damage
decimation: there are some who transfer traditional ira/401k to roth, and then withdraw the 'contributions' after 5 years
danielpbarron: and a general distrust of anything medicine in the USSA
decimation: do you have a number for 'high chance'
decimation: when the salk vaccine came out, it gave 40k people polio
mike_c: hm, maybe the acute brain infection will improve your situation
BingoBoingo: Serious gambling talk though. Greater than 1:100 odds unvaccinated against measles kids are going to get brain damage. Encephalitis is a bitch.
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hanbot: where are the 11 billion encephalitis cases 1850-1950?
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BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> fuck this country. << Pls tell me you have a Mosin
hanbot: ;;google measles party
trinque: BingoBoingo: I have; he can head this way when tshtf
BingoBoingo: <hanbot> oh get out. << Chickenpox, fuck it. Measles, I'll take a 25% return on bitches knocked up
BingoBoingo: <decimation> when the salk vaccine came out, it gave 40k people polio << k vs M situation
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BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> because of the uncomfortably high chance of acute brain infection leading to permanent damage << Why I don't get measles chickenpox comparisons "But they both itch"
mircea_popescu: fwiw, measles vaccine is usually useful and effectual.
mircea_popescu: it's bs like zona zooster and flu "vaccine" that ruin the otherwise reasonable shit for everyone.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's bs like zona zooster and flu "vaccine" that ruin the otherwise reasonable shit for everyone. << That
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danielpbarron: fwiw i probably have all the vaccines you guys are harping about; my parents don't share my views in this regard
mircea_popescu: now people won't get polio vaccine because "vaccines are bad". dumb shit like that.
BingoBoingo: MMR great, live microwaved polio great. Herpes Zoster... prolly still getting Tony Larussa Shingles
mircea_popescu: the other thing is, they give vaccines to 2 hour olds, which is also fucking dumb.
mike_c: which is one reason herd protection is important, which is why danielpbarron is trying to kill my children.
danielpbarron: i don't buy that at all; if your kid has the stupid thing then he should be safe
BingoBoingo: My position in this is that unidentified proteins must be assumed evil.
trinque: two generations out of a high child mortality rate and people think they're bulletproof
danielpbarron: i think a better solution is to hide sick people away, checking in on them every week and not letting them return to society until the illness is gone
mike_c: the vaccine isn't 100%. i'm not that crazy about it though. i figure a few more outbreaks and this no-vaccince fad will go away quickly.
mike_c: people will stop taking medical advice from jenny whats-her-name
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> i think a better solution is to hide sick people away, checking in on them every week and not letting them return to society until the illness is gone << You forget water is one dirty bitch
danielpbarron: "but i have a right to go shopping even when i'm contagious!"
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the funny part is that it is mostly the children of the less-poor (california, clustered around enclaves of mega-bezzle) who are dropping << This part, also vermont which threatens dpb directly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Qntra is always open to 1st half rants from you
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And the result is still unparalleled in the tech press
decimation: I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism'
BingoBoingo: Pathology threads are generally best threads
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << For a period of time my parents thought they autism'd me with vaccines
decimation: perhaps 'geek parents' having children at >35 has something to do with the autism rates
BingoBoingo: Perhaps, also could be an overextension of labels
decimation: yeah 'overdiagnosis' is probably a problem too
BingoBoingo: I tend towards much of the "diagnosis" that begets pathology not being such at all
decimation: well, as has been covered by tlp, there is much profit to be made in labeling pathologies
mike_c: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you might as well put my name on the wot job. looks like i'm doing it.
decimation: if I were a psychiatrist I would be all about treating 'needy' suburbanites rather than being part of the urban internal security service
mircea_popescu: decimation you gotta talk their language tho, which dirties the soul.
decimation: asciilifeform: true. it would pay for daily bread anyway
BingoBoingo: I'm still jsut amazed by the difference between 8 yo scared of other people and labeled autistm-ish vs. HS lots of social connections constantly tired West nile and no one cares
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah it would be depressing either way
decimation: there is a funny thing about 'professions'. if you like to kill animals, being a vet is a great idea
decimation: if you like hurting people, become a surgeon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: you can't draw a circuit on a sheet of copper with nonconductive glue either... << don't oppress my genius! if you CUT the copper and the substrate is Conveniently Chosen (TM) it might work!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who are you to say what drunken future brings! << I'll volunteer to take point on this
decimation: there are a few cnc machines marketed for this purpose
decimation: although I would not want to breathe the copper/fiberglass fumes
BingoBoingo: <decimation> although I would not want to breathe the copper/fiberglass fumes << Better than cold sea sponge farts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'if wish were horse' etc << if wish were whores they'd be hoarse for the horses ?
decimation: re: milled pcb < I wonder if they would be a pain in the ass to solder
decimation: nothing really beats 'solder mask' for that purpose
decimation: that honestly seems easier than milling
decimation: I suspect it yields finer geometry too
mircea_popescu: the phone in toaster guy is clearly shopping on the wrong silkroad clone.
decimation: 'uncommonly fine mill' would pay for much etchant
decimation: I would be interested if you could feel a blank pcb and a pile of random parts into a machine, press the magic button, and pop out an assembled board
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'The backplanes contain 230 cards, approximately 10,148 diodes, 1409 transistors, 5615 resistors, and 1674 capacitors. Cards only used for interconnect were not counted.' << the important point is element miniaturization then vs now. at the time, 1k transistors > 100 lbs. today, 1k tranzistors < 1oz.
mircea_popescu: this is important for many reasons, it has cascade effect : shorter paths, less heat etc etc.
mircea_popescu: a pdp could probably be cloned today by hand in a finite timespan, fit in box.
decimation: if you allow logic gate ic's you could reduce the transistor count
mircea_popescu: but foir the sake of argument, made by hand from discrete semi parts.
BingoBoingo: PDP could be cloned in 1990 on Classic Game Boy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed In am consiering diving boarda
mircea_popescu: just sayin, you know ? could prolly be made in a box, if one felt like placing 100k items by hand. if he works 8 hours a day at this, it won't take 10 years.
BingoBoingo: File this in reasons I did not make a nubrub for my OBSD bitcoin-qt build
mircea_popescu: well die transistors autoplaced is prolly about on par with making yourself a 3d gun that works.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well die transistors autoplaced is prolly about on par with making yourself a 3d gun that works. << Mosin, never lost to itself
decimation: asciilifeform: are you imagining a little array of naked die transistors, being bonded by a robot?
decimation: it's kind like the 'punch-out' fpga we were discussing
BingoBoingo: alf finds this a mystery wonder why library school sucks
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but if 'playing fairly' and using the kind of semiconductors one could hope to produce in jungle workshop, you won't have identically-specced tileable bare dies either... << One would rip and sell Gameboy and TI-86 ROMs
decimation: no, but if you could buy your dies at costco, the enemy would have trouble diddling
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mircea_popescu: this is a very importanrt point, alf made for qntra but generally gets neglected. "diddling" is a VERY assumptive operation.
mircea_popescu: i say it, you say it, five people grok it and everyone else just whooosh.
decimation: yes, the problem of 'jamming' arbitrary comms (unknown to the designer) is quite difficult
mircea_popescu: and so is the problem of "diddling" in the general case.
mircea_popescu: "The results were overwhelming: 88 percent of women reported having experienced at least one incident in which their friendliness was misinterpreted as sexual interest by a man, and on average it had occurred about 3.5 times in the last year alone. Men also reported experiencing sexual misperception, but the rate — 70.6 percent — was far lower. These rates were pretty similar to what was found in the original, U.S.
mircea_popescu: -based study, which found that around 90 percent of women reported that their friendliness had been misperceived at least once in their lifetimes, on average 2.7 times in the last year, with about 70 percent of men reporting having experienced this."
mircea_popescu: a) the difference is not even significantly above statistical noise ; b) significant fudge, such as, "women are more likely to self-flatter themselves this particular way" not accounted for in ANY manner.
mircea_popescu: how about asking men and women about how many cases they themselves witnessed involving OTHER people ?
mircea_popescu: but no, why make a study that makes sense but doesn't support our chosen policy nonsense.
decimation: that would be hard, and besides men are bad
mircea_popescu: hard my foot, ask the same people a useful question instead of a dumb one.
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mircea_popescu: "When a man sees another man he doesn’t know, there isn’t usually that studied indifference. If you look at the guy, he’ll look at you back, and it’s obvious from his body language that he knows you exist and you could talk to him if you wanted to."
mircea_popescu: "Obvious things like sports always work." fuck me sideways. i never did that yet.
mircea_popescu: "Go to a gym, for example, and see how few of the dozens of men and women there are actually talking to each other." who the fuck wants to talk to some guy in a gym wtf.
mircea_popescu: anyway, mocsiny should move to argentina. these derps have no fucking problem striking conversations with complete strangers that take any length of time in spite of not having any content.
mircea_popescu: middle of the street ? fine. clerk and person in supermarket queue ? fine. fucking policeman will stop mid arrest and chat with the victim for half an hour.
mircea_popescu: bus driver with person that just got on, that they never met before ? fuck traffic, they're only doing 60 mph in the middle of town in a sardine box.
decimation: heh "People who enjoy going to stadiums and cheering on their sports heroes are feeding the monster which torments their genetically disadvantaged offspring." < so true
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BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform lives where people behave roughly like mocsny described << You are double fucked. Negro and the turdmaster...
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: RGIII is the strong plowhand carrying you local foosball
BingoBoingo: RGIII was indeed the physical equivalent of a -CURRENT branch until... his knees
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But the root of their surivival is determined by the same fat men
BingoBoingo: I merely hypothesize RGIII as inpet enough to miss mocsony's men definitiomn
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still when I look at teams to be on for the next year I consider the players they own paramount.
BingoBoingo: Washington tend to fuck this step up royally
decimation: the guy's solution was pretty clever - build an oven out of fr4!
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punkman: there's a lot of malware that just replaces ads on google/facebook/etc
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punkman: users generally don't notice it
punkman: although I don't see how it's worth Lenovo's time
mircea_popescu: so if they sold 1mn computers and 1bn ads got replaced somehow that's worth... umm... 50 bux ?
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punkman: I knew a guy that had a couple browser toolbars/plugins that replaced ads. He made $500-1000 per day for quite a while.
punkman: this might be fun "Comingle.io’s Firaz Peer and Andrew Quitmeyer are developing the prototype for the Electric Eel, a condom that has conductive leads embedded in it for small jolts of stimulation"
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cazalla: this one, st andrews cross spider is pretty common and harmless too
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cazalla: <punkman> I knew a guy that had a couple browser toolbars/plugins that replaced ads. He made $500-1000 per day for quite a while. <<< i use to get something like $1 per install from pinball publisher
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punkman: cazalla, the pay-per-install stuff always seemed like a bad deal to me, did it work for you?
cazalla: no amount which was brag worthy
cazalla: ppi was only good for sites for which it was a bit of a grey area to use adsense
cazalla: in my experience anyway, i don't doubt that some guys killed with it
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jurov: lol good discussion started from the z80. now, what if we start with piece of germanium/galena/carborundum/whatever
jurov: and use cnc machine with spool of thin wire to make IC out of it with point-contact transistor?
jurov: unlike silicon it isn't so sensitive to impurities
jurov: if it's possible to place 4 such transistors on mm2 then z80 would fit into 20cm2
brendafdez: Could summer morning here in buenos aires today
brendafdez: I'll be seeing a journalist from the NYT today, I was thinking of telling him about b-a
brendafdez: it's the second time he's in Argentina interviewing the people he *thinks matter in bitcoin here
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i wonder how much money that nets them << You probably missed this because winblows free, but for the longest time it was impossible to get computer with winblows that did not have factory installed malware. Popular advice of the time was "reinstall winblows onto new computer"
BingoBoingo: <brendafdez> it's the second time he's in Argentina interviewing the people he *thinks matter in bitcoin here << Thet tend to suck at identifying that, but it could just as much be the orders they recieve from their political commisar
BingoBoingo: <jurov> and use cnc machine with spool of thin wire to make IC out of it with point-contact transistor? << Now that I'm more sober laser etching saphire to flow a conductor over doesn'r sound so bad.
brendafdez: I didn't ask him what move him. He's very interested in 'seeing the black market in action'. They see it in an amusing light, as if that's a bad thing or something, like going around the city with stacks of cash. And that's actually the closest it gets to bitcoin in fiat.
brendafdez: Last time was also Pete from Coindesk, he interviewed all the poeple claiming to run 'exchanges' here. There are a huge numer of such 'exchanges', most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell). Then there's Latincoin, which is also there athe 'embassy' and also doesn't even exist and is only piching to 'investors' to get money with no product. Last time they were asking for $7
☟︎ BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Ah, so he was ordered by his poltical officer to slander Argentina's image
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: You have to understand that today's NYtimes is more soviet than pravda could ever have hoped to be
brendafdez: Having the adware preinstalled sort of spares the user the time and ensures they get a consistent experience with a box compromised from the get go. It's an integral part of the user experience, they wouldn't feel right without the bloat and the ads.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Sony actually used to have an option (extra $50 US or so) to not have factory adware on your computer when they ship it
BingoBoingo: When I encounter this it was mostly "Wild Tangent"
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BingoBoingo: This superfish thing lenovois installing though now, looks like a different, worse beast.
BingoBoingo: Nah, it is what it is. Natural hazard of the Windows ecosystem.
brendafdez: Well, if I ever get into the adware business I'll package it as a 'miner' and sponsor bitcoin conferences, no doubt
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chetty: brendafdez, just point the guy to MP article, save everyone a lot of time (after you get your free lunch of course)
BingoBoingo: It was indeed. That approach helped S.Dice Erik tremendously when the SEC knocked his door
chetty: lmao, I get a whole new set of smiles everytime someone links that one :D
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: It will probably ingratiate you to no end with the NYtimes people if you point out that noone in Argentina seems as dangerous as that NYPD street gang
chetty: well dead prosecutors are a bit of a deterent
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: I will be very grateful if you get them to mention the great multinational journalism venture qntra which is eating their lunch on the Bitcoin subject, and they follow through by mentioning it in their piece.
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brendafdez: they won't mention it as anything other than a website from 1993, it's above their head, they only realize it when it's too late. They wouldn't take me srlsly if i show them that xD
chetty: now that would indeed be a super cool event, I'll buy the lunch if you pull that off
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Of course they would take you most seriously if you mention it. Their political officer is definitely aware of qntra.
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brendafdez: we're meeting now in an hour at a local 'Subway' and then they are coming with me seeing how people buy and sell bitcoins for stacks of cash, which always amuses them, they love seeing the 'stakcks of cash', which is not uncommon here with the largest denomination bill being 8 USD
brendafdez: they love anything that can be portrayed in a bad light as the shady things that happen in this third world country. Like using bitcoin to avoid selling the usd to the government and then selling the bitcoins in the street
BingoBoingo: Sounds a lot like how they covered the rebellion in North St Louis
BingoBoingo: You just have to remember that New York has become more third world than even Nuevo Laredo. They don't even has cash in New York anymore.
brendafdez: and they are convince the "president of the Argentine Bitcoin Foundation" really matters. It's amusing that said foundation doesn't even exist. But I get asked all the time if i'm part of it, they take me more seriously when I say yes xD
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Just say you are liking the shadow foundation more lately
brendafdez: if I say not at all, it's like I didn0t make it in their eyes, im missing out on being part of the foundation
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brendafdez: hah, I linked to the shadow foundation on a mailing list and a facebook group recently, but it falls on deaf ears
BingoBoingo: In other news today Pitchers and Catchers report to Spring Training. Baseball season is almost upon us.
chetty: Spring Training was a big deal when I was growing up, it amounted to free major league games :)
BingoBoingo: One day I wanted to take the hajj to Florida to watch the spring training games. At the moment though it is a reminder it will eventually stop being balls cold.
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chetty: too bad I can't share some of our summer heat, but actually this morning its very cool and pleasant
BingoBoingo: It's under 0 degrees F here atm. Two weeks ago the high was over 60 degrees F.
BingoBoingo: Weather here in the Middle West is nothing if not inconsistent
BingoBoingo: Also looking forward to the buyer's remorse this next US election cycle when everyone gets to see that of the two Bush brothers the dumber, less capable one actually was President for 8 years.
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lobbes: BingoBoingo: Weather here in the Middle West is nothing if not inconsistent << whereabouts are you? Ohio-bound over here.
BingoBoingo: lobbes: A bit wester and still further middle
lobbes is orgiginally from MA. Was amused by the abundance of Jesus billboards and anti-abortion propaganda littering the sides of roads
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mike_c: decimation:
http://stampd.io/ << someone made a silly-con valley-ized deedbot << yeah, and you have to pay for it with.. paypal!
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pete_dushenski: speaking of asciilifeform's piece, is it fair to assume that other unix-likes include debian and osx ? what of gentoo ?
danielpbarron: i like gentoo; very customizable and doesn't require systemd
BingoBoingo: Gentoo depends entirely on how you decide to build and use it.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: i figured you were into gentoo based on your pogo guide ;)
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It seems a variety of places. It isn't the biggest spike, but it definitely is one.
danielpbarron: i've got gentoo on my laptop and OpenBSD on my webserver/fullnode/irc client machine
BingoBoingo is rather happy with OpenBSD's handling of laptop
pete_dushenski still has yet to play with much other than debian on vps for node
pete_dushenski: also looks like debian is getting forked into systemd-less "devuan" sometime this year
pete_dushenski: speaking of names, has anyone read any of schneier's books ?
jurov: mike_c: obscure european TLDs usually require proof of residence in that country, or at least in EU
pete_dushenski: wondering when he "went mole" so i can spare myself reading anything thereafter
mike_c: jurov: yeah, the ones i am looking at don't require that. eurodns is offering them for sale, I have just never heard of them.
pete_dushenski: jurov: if the cc fraudsters who pwned maison de btc are any indication, i'm sure mike_c can jump that hurdle
pete_dushenski: i just couldn't recall if there was a line in the sand
NewLiberty: Did you know that Schneier lost his executive position because of praise he gave Snowden?
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.NewLiberty.-1:1baac9e3ec8f3924ea75f9ae8c12259510087b5f9b8510fd26aa283eb8b62bdf
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for NewLiberty with note: He think's a hard-fork is, and I quote: acceptable for expediency's sake.
danielpbarron: in your defense, you said you don't like gavin's proposal
NewLiberty: I use bitcoin in commerce, and yes, would rather not have to outbid folks to get my transaction in
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform could you recommend a book that would serve as an 'amateur's intro to digital security' ?
NewLiberty: Yes, Gavin's proposal is bad, I've been complaining about it for months
pete_dushenski: wondering if ross j anderson is in the right direction...
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NewLiberty: "If this forks as currently proposed, I'll be selling all my BTC on Gavin's fork and mining on the other. I suspect I will not be the only one."
pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: that's all well and good but you still need to justify any increase in block size
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NewLiberty: I am not advocating an increase in block size
danielpbarron: yeah, and if you can currently afford fees, you should always be able to
NewLiberty: I am advocating that "chief scientists" at least be scientists and not engineers
BingoBoingo amused that no one talking atm seems to realize how "old" NewLiberty is
NewLiberty: The current proposal is a software engineering approach to a science problem
pete_dushenski: how do you figure what they call themselves has any bearing on their function ?
NewLiberty: I give the benefit of the doubt, most don't control where they are born
danielpbarron: the "problem" gavin is trying to solve is "bitcoin will kill the dollar"
NewLiberty: He wants to be a chief scientist, I can help him understand what that entails
NewLiberty: What is currently called "dollar" maybe
NewLiberty: But the word is not what is commonly referred to as a dollar
NewLiberty: "dollar" is a specific measure of silver
NewLiberty: XBT will kill USD regardless of what Gavin may or may not do
danielpbarron: that is true, because gavin has nothing to do with bitcoin
danielpbarron: and stop trying to teach us new terms; we don't care that you prefer 'xbt' to 'btc' or that a dollar used to mean silver
NewLiberty: But having minted a fair share of silver, I have some opinions on the use of "dollar" as that paper drek
danielpbarron: silver isn't money; anyone who says otherwise is likely scamming you
danielpbarron: i've used cannabis as money; doesn't make it not stupid
NewLiberty: yes practicality is largely why is is stupid.
BingoBoingo: cannabis and silver are largely the same thing monetarily, inflation a huge problem. Gold less so. Bitcoin far less so.
danielpbarron: in CT, cannabis is way more fungible than silver; just trade it before it goes bad :p
thestringpuller: dunno how they are able to keep up with demand given...snow and stuff
danielpbarron: yeah that's why i specified CT; i'd wager it's a lot less fungible in oklahoma
NewLiberty: CA somewhat decriminalized. Most strip malls have a dispensary.
NewLiberty: Anyhow, WRT Gavin, he may yet listen and end up less bad.
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thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i may setup a gentoo machine just to make a pogo
danielpbarron: see if you can do it from debian; you just need the cross compiler
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: scoopbot cannot penetrate the fortress that is contravex
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> [] decimation> that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << Maybe there should be trophies for certain people who inflicted directly and personally more than that damage on the fiat system without being politicos? << most offensive thing about being born here is how one's effectively born into slavery for others obligations.
pete_dushenski: "Be sure to tweet with #JBossBitcoin during tomorrow's race! We hope that #NASCAR & #bitcoin fans can get behind #54. "
thestringpuller: JBossBitcoin makes me think of webstack using JBoss to run bitcoin stuff
ben_vulpes: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << isn't the best way to achieve this to have kids while the womb in question is young, flexible and healthy and the sperms ibid?
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: my mother was nearly 40 when she had me. no autism here.
PeterL: ben_vulpes: my nephew is the oldest in his family, has autism but younger siblings don't
PeterL: You might be thinking of Down's Syndrome, that has a higher occurrence in older mothers
ben_vulpes: no, i'm thinking this is all anecdata.
ben_vulpes: you gotta approach life from first principles.
ben_vulpes: as the machinery wears out, it...wears out.
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ben_vulpes: average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america.
ben_vulpes: medicalization of individuality factored out, if the numbers are to believed and aren't a cultural artifact i'm guessing that increased age of conception is driving some of the increase (if it even exists)
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: mk well, rock of salt the size of an asteroid and all that.
danielpbarron: i think by the time of Abraham it had gone down quite a bit though
PeterL: is 600 or 969 years or months?
PeterL: maybe somebody mistranslated a time unit somewhere along the way?
danielpbarron: the time it takes for the earth to go all the way around the sun
ben_vulpes: and what about that whole "walked with god for 200 years" schtick, hm?
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, i don't recall that; could you cite chapter/verse?
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you can google yourself, i'm not actually in a theological debate here.
ben_vulpes: numbers probably wrong, phrasing probably wrong. i am not interested in biblical scholarship etc.
danielpbarron: lack of interest in Bible could also indicate catholic :p
danielpbarron: ah it was Enoch, and he walked with God for 300 years
lobbes: <ben_vulpes> average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america. << couldn't this also be ascribed to a higher birth-rate?
PeterL: but the birth rate is going down
ben_vulpes: lobbes: i'm assuming percentages are going up, not absolute numbers
ben_vulpes: but ffs read tlp - there's no actually knowing anything about the numbers or what they mean
PeterL: what's a children of men?
thestringpuller: a sci fi novel/movie where humans are unable to have children
PeterL: thestringpuller: is it worth watching?
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: That's a great question I do not have an answer for.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The way it is hard makes it fun. Eating pinecones also hard, not fun.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well allies and enemies are generally relative. I think La Serenissima creates a republic where it dictates the scene.
thestringpuller: La Serenissima's enemies are absolute. Once an enemy always an enemy.
pete_dushenski: any friendships or peace agreements are temporary conveniences
pete_dushenski: trusted parties will stick together and only play nice when it's +ev
PeterL: pete_dushenski: "not that this is the worst thing to be have foisted upon you" << lose either be or have
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pete_dushenski: lenovo re: superfish: "we have thoroughly investigated this technology and do not find any evidence to substantiate security concerns"
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: Well, US harbored Nazi scientists for moon program or what not.
thestringpuller: In La Serenissima, enemy is always enemy. Do not think reality exists where Gavin earns real trust.
pete_dushenski: but as with nazi case, the tune can change if a suitable use case is found
pete_dushenski: gavin will always be an enemy because he's also woefully incompetent
pete_dushenski: if he were a worthy opponent, it might one day be a different story
thestringpuller: humor me hypothetical of MP and Gavin joining forces after declaration of war?
assbot: Amazon.com: Pogoplug Media Sharing Device - Remote Access to Your Media - Black: Computers & Accessories ... (
http://bit.ly/17wgI1i )
jurov: ^ apparently this ships in the EU
jurov: but unsure if it's v2 or v3
jurov: and also customer reviews are scathing (it's unstable)
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: how about hypothetical enemy who is competent who just wants to straight up smash bitcoin
jurov: i already have enough problems with cantankerous rpi's that are more stable when overclocked.. guess i'll pass this one
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: war ends, enemy loses, how does republic trust enemy at all not to back stab Kahn style?
thestringpuller: cause this asks of those working with enemy (at some point after recovery) to keep watchful eye, which means you don't really trust him
assbot: Gemalto also makes OpenPGP smart cards - I have one. We really need a OpenPGP v2 that supports multisig; right now I'm trusting Gemalto.
pete_dushenski: i'll keep using your moon nazi example because it's so darned useful here: trust isn't complete, but limited to one domain
pete_dushenski: let's say in the soviet style used for nukes and satellites
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ascii_field: jurov: the 'pogo' you found is the one without sata port.
ascii_field: 'multisig' << can we start saying 'key escrow' whenever some moron put the word 'multisig' ?
ascii_field: jurov: it's unstable << i'm gonna guess that the unstable part is the proprietary nas app that comes with 'pogo'
ascii_field: (must confess that i have not tested that particular incarnation, however. but my pogo has not once overheated or shown any signs of hardware failure. has been running more or less round the clock since purchase.)
PeterL: so I'm looking at houses near some of the jobs I'm applying for, I know I really don't want to live inside Detroit, but 15k for a 4br/2ba house seems tempting
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ascii_field: great sim heist << transparent nsa smokescreen. gsm uses toy crypto since day one (usg mandate) and has always been breakable with minimal effort.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ ascii_field: ergo this is not why they stole the keys (assuming the snowden document is genuine)
ascii_field: the press, rancid mixture of stooges and useful idiots, help to push the implication that 'now we can switch to keys that have not yet been stolen, and no more interception'
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, yeah there is some trace of "but 3G and 4G networks are more secure" message in that piece
ascii_field: you'll see soon enough when gemalto (as if nothing happened, remains in business of course, like all usg pseudo-industrial ops)
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: all mobile phones use toy crypto - and, as if this were not enough, call is carried as plaintext on the telco wire in the end
pete_dushenski: 'and we'll help to write new regulations which we'll then abide by'
ascii_field: there is no meaningful crypto between endpoints and this is mandatory, by design
pete_dushenski: doesn't even seem like there's room to make it easier to intercept
ascii_field: to peddle the notion that the sim keys matter for any purpose whatsoever is either the act of a complete illiterate on the subject, or a usg stooge.
pete_dushenski: but i guess the usg is just a marketing machine at this point
pete_dushenski: to the extent that no one is watching the dismantling of their wealth, sure
ascii_field: no, it works in the sense that the folks in control, are still amply supplied with whores and blow
ascii_field: that's the only actual design goal of the system
pete_dushenski: which continues to be possible because of aforementioned wealth dismantling
ascii_field: 'Apps like TextSecure and Silent Text are secure alternatives to SMS messages, while Signal, RedPhone and Silent Phone encrypt voice communications. ' << finally the mask falls off, and we know that a usg muppet wrote that article.
pete_dushenski: otherwise, without new taxes or program cuts, not possible
pete_dushenski: but i guess hanging out here trains one's eye after a while
ascii_field: either stooge or a direct useful idiot of one
danielpbarron: so apparently a pogo can survive a fall to the floor from about 3 feet while running; on a related note, not all devices ship with the same length ethernet cable
ascii_field: danielpbarron: ought to survive a fall from airplane. there is nothing shock-sensitive inside.
ascii_field: (if you have a mechanical drive connected, that's another matter)
danielpbarron: the drive popped out as a result of the fall, and its connecting bracket also came out a bit; but it's setting new best height now, so all is fine i suppose
danielpbarron: it was the solid state one; probably why it still works
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mircea_popescu: jurov: lol good discussion started from the z80. now, what if we start with piece of germanium/galena/carborundum/whatever << si carbide prolly most promising, or maybe some particular graphite formulations.
mircea_popescu: jurov: if it's possible to place 4 such transistors on mm2 then z80 would fit into 20cm2 << this, basically, is my point. 20 sqcm is not really a big deal. and the number of people who might do it just to play the original Chaos on their pet rock is not negligible.
mircea_popescu: what i mean is : currently, the fabs regard a printer that ruins 1% of the sheets as disastrous.
mircea_popescu: in our case, if 1% of the sheets are printed correctly, we're golden
ascii_field: gives it a chinese 'great leap forward backyard steel furnace' flavour though.
mircea_popescu: understand : reversing the secular trend from "Factory" to "household" is worth pretty much any sacrifice.
ascii_field: but has to not only at least occasionally work,
ascii_field: but actually not depend on industrial outputs
ascii_field: otherwise it's an exercise in pashtun kalash-making
ascii_field: (you have the rifle, but izhevsk still has the shells)
mircea_popescu: as long as the industiral output you use holds no ip, it's good.
mircea_popescu: we want to kill the ip-in-product thing first, then the rest is unsustainable/can't mount any resistance.
ascii_field: if that's the object, can use ttl 74xxxx logic
ascii_field: it 1) made everywhere, even ussr 2) utterly standardized 3) 'does not know where it will be plugged in'
ascii_field: i must say, always wanted to build a 'bitslice cpu'
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell brendafdez: Could summer morning here in buenos aires today << wait, you're in ba ?
mircea_popescu: most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell) << ahahaha wut, wait, the mystery is demystified ?
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2015 11:57:09; brendafdez: Having the adware preinstalled sort of spares the user the time and ensures they get a consistent experience with a box compromised from the get go. It's an integral part of the user experience, they wouldn't feel right without the bloat and the ads.
cazalla: danielpbarron: my throat is now sore from yelling <<< try breaking something :P
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the one utterly unsolved problem is ram
ascii_field: none of the contemplated processes threaten to give you anything like '80s micro capacity
ascii_field: i've contemplated a revival of delay-line memories using modern high-frequency amps
mircea_popescu: ok. so then make a sane addressing scheme, and put a controller in and that's that.
ascii_field: but this turns into a very different flavour of project
ascii_field: machine that can't be boobied - yes. ic fab on your desk - no
mircea_popescu: imagine alf! a memory scheme which allows you to shoot at the memory units, and add more as you wish without kernel panic.
mircea_popescu: im not saying it's new. im saying it is time to get home computing out of the 1950s .
ascii_field: i'd generalize to everything being tandem-able by default
ascii_field: now bringing things back to my original boojum - you can't drive sdram with 74xxxx ttl.
ascii_field: it can't be asked to go arbitrarily slowly.
mircea_popescu: any arbitrary frequency can be met out of an arbitrary count of components.
ascii_field: well yes, that's how my chinese scope gets a 100MHz sampler using 20MHz chinese ADCs
mircea_popescu: brendafdez: if I say not at all, it's like I didn0t make it in their eyes, im missing out on being part of the foundation << lol muricans gotta muricate.
gribble: trinque was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 48 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <trinque> two generations out of a high child mortality rate and people think they're bulletproof
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah, seems there are no other acts of god that could delay it
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: interesting. an "organic" spike. << yeah, the thing's definitely starting to pull its own weight.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field admitting traffic is a notion with an actual real equivalent,
trinque: ascii_field: that's what the portland residents will be put atop
mircea_popescu: if the source of a traffic spike is directly identifiable (X site linking) vs if it's not (various sites linking)
mircea_popescu: ima email them see if they're willing to respect the signed approach.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: it is organic drug you put in someone's drink to kidnap them
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danielpbarron: apparently there is a way to enable ssh on a brand new pogo without using their stupid website
ascii_field: danielpbarron: not only, but i said what that way is on the day i mentioned 'pogo' here for the first time
ascii_field: i certainly did not use their idiot 'registration' thing
ascii_field: nor would any process that relies on their site staying up, be of use to our cause
danielpbarron: i don't know how to use computers because i'm actually good at it; it's a matter of necessity
ascii_field: it is not enough that folks fork, they must understand -why- they fork, and who the enemy is
ascii_field: quite a few people have not made the conceptual leap to seeing the malice behind the incompetence
ascii_field: for reliably swinging in the correct direction - absolutely required.
ascii_field: imagine if folks went to war as they go to 'mosh pit'
thestringpuller: ah like when party member has confuse debuff and he starts hitting you
mircea_popescu: what's jurov's list again ? someone dump in #debianfork
thestringpuller: interesting point with moshpit it is a very inefficient exertion of energy
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PeterL: after mircea_popescu left, in #debianfork: tmyklebu: he's not weird enough to be a billionaire.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it is not enough that folks fork, they must understand -why- they fork, and who the enemy is << would not go that far, personally. just as long as people act sanely, they're good enough.
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mircea_popescu: NewLiberty: I am advocating that "chief scientists" at least be scientists and not engineers << scientists, engineers etc have no business with chiefdom. that's a position for a strategist, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: chetty sadly that world's being "revealed" about every other year.
mircea_popescu: there actually exist these completely insane people going around injecting industrial grade silicone straight into "customers"
chetty: well I dont know why women want bigger butts
mircea_popescu: that's pretty clear. why do they think they can cut themselves up like they were barbie dolls however, that's mysterious.
chetty: maybe a bigger butt helps if you sit at a computer a lot ...hmmm
mircea_popescu: NewLiberty: A made to fail ponzi << a ponzi only fails because there's an actual monetary unit to compare against.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << isn't the best way to achieve this to have kids while the womb in question is young, flexible and healthy and the sperms ibid? << i am willing to bet no, because autism was virtually unknown weh i was a kid, and old women had plentry of kids back then
PeterL: was it unknown because it did not exist or because it was not yet named?
PeterL: the people now being called autistic, they would have been called something different back then?
mircea_popescu: mmm, but i would remember the cases, see. not a matter of calling.
PeterL: would you? maybe you just avoided people like that?
mircea_popescu: as a kid growing up, i had contact with... thousands, prolly at the outset 10k kids. in the sense of actually having seen them with mine own eyes.
mircea_popescu: and i'd have heard *something* about the particular weirdness.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, autism went in the supplemental fascicle of infantile pathology, with spina bifida et all horrors.
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cazalla: the 90s gave us so many adhd kids that it was no longer fashionable.. the new fashion with autism is that one can pronounce that their kid is "on the spectrum" as if it makes them somewhat special
cazalla: at least that is my experience overhearing mothers talk
trinque: I suspect it's as adhd was/is, an easy way to prescribe drugs
trinque: gotta have as many people on govt sanctioned amphetamines as possible
trinque: most "autistic" people I've encountered just seemed like kids that weren't properly raised
chetty: I dont doubt the uptick is partly a matter of fashion and names, but it doesnt explain it all, something else is going on there
chetty: chems in foods etc, probably
cazalla: mircea_popescu, ever come across gender dysphoria or same story as autism?
cazalla: boy wanting to be girl i mean, tom boys are a given
mircea_popescu: i think i knew a grand total of maybe a dozen kids that'd be what you call confused. prolly more, but kept secret because at the time pretty stigmatic.
chetty: why do you suppose tom boys are a given, but boys wanting to be girls is wierd?
mircea_popescu: and to help everyone interested evaluate the above numeric claims : at the time in romania, housing was "allocated", to first time parents. so basically, you'd marry, play with the wife, once she missed a period you made a claim with your place of employment and ~1 year later they'd give you the keys to a new apartment. the density was maybe 1k / sqkm. i was a first born, but most families had two or more children - pl
mircea_popescu: consequently, in the 1sqkm area that's the hunting grounds of one healthy boy, i literally knew, by sight, thousands of kids.
mircea_popescu: and then in school, three 4 year cycles of 1-3k kids each.
cazalla: chetty, i guess because i grew up knowing of some whereas the idea that a boy would think he is a girl was foreign to me until more recent years.. just an anecdote, but i see most of the boy to girl shit coming from sjw types, that's all
trinque: cazalla: seems that's part of a larger category of "identity fuck"
cazalla: in other words, i'm already familiar (comfortable?) with the idea of tom boys
chetty: well in fairness, tome boys dont always want to be boys, they just want the freedom
trinque: this idea that one can identify as anything, plant, mineral, sports mascot
mircea_popescu: chetty i suspect it's one way but not the other for purely biological reasons. specifically : 9 yos can do the same number of pull-ups.
mircea_popescu: then the girls get tits and butts, and they can no longer lift themselves up for a kingdom
mircea_popescu: s readily obvious why kids' want to be boys rather than girls at that age.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: You might be thinking of Down's Syndrome, that has a higher occurrence in older mothers << yeah, that's proven. autism merely suspected.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america. << except the machine is made to fail once it no longer can work.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: maybe somebody mistranslated a time unit somewhere along the way? << "but they translated the hebrew word for young woman to the greek word for nine months, and hence..."
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: La Serenissima's enemies are absolute. Once an enemy always an enemy. << actually... these "enemies" of ours are more like wanna-be girlfriends than anything.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: so I'm looking at houses near some of the jobs I'm applying for, I know I really don't want to live inside Detroit, but 15k for a 4br/2ba house seems tempting << it's the end of days i tell you, idiots here think 2br/1ba apts are 150k
mircea_popescu: ascii_field: no, it works in the sense that the folks in control, are still amply supplied with whores and blow << neiother of these are either rare, ahrd to get or particularly useful/desirable.
PeterL: but it's the taxes that kill you, you pay 4k+/yr property tax for these cheap houses, and city income tax of 2.5% (suburbs have no income tax)
Adlai: mircea_popescu: "made to fail once it no longer can work" << these are not binary
mircea_popescu: obviously. but there's still more error checking in the uterus than in the space program.
mircea_popescu: how does a city even have the fucking authority to make an income tax ?!
PeterL: yeah, dumb idea, anybody who earns income moves out
mircea_popescu: nopbody told city hall "dudes, stfu and mind the parking meters" ?
PeterL: State passed a law because Detroit begged them to, Lansing charges 1%
mircea_popescu: how about i buy a building, make a building income tax ?!
PeterL: a couple other cities in MI also have 1%, but most don't have any
Adlai: you should start a tax-free residential office park right outside the official city limits
PeterL: usually they also charge 1/2 the income tax to people who work in the city but live elsewhere
mircea_popescu: Adlai nope. because once it's established they'd try to steal it and i'd have to go to war and massaacre them.
PeterL: the city of Southfield is essentially one giant office park for companies who wanted to move offices out of the city
Adlai: has it since instituted its own shitty tax?
PeterL: no, but they do have pretty high propety tax there, I think
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's kinda funny to me how many of these "online magazines" copied after the atlantic sprung up everywhere. they almost look like all the boost-baseds "bitcoin businesses", except they're driven by scammers who scam the dod instead of scammers who scam idiot bitcopiners.
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell TomServo around until Monday. Hope we can finally get in touch if you need to!
Adlai: your p key on the other hand seems to be cryping out for some love
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: wanna-be girlfriends << you mean groupie who false accusing it?
thestringpuller: everytime i see pogo plug now I think of a pogo stick shaped butt plug