cazalla: mircea_popescu, what i don't get is that on reddit, you see the idea of a paywall and microtransactions always discussed as bitcoin's killer app and yet when they come across it being implemented, they cry scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42615 @ 0.00036859 = 15.7075 BTC [+]
cazalla: i guess so but first 2 weeks of jan were slow just as the last 2 weeks of december were
cazalla: but i think we've also refined the type of content we publish over the past few months
gribble: Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
teward: so i learned something - assbot doesn't realize I have +2 level2 rep with it o.o
teward glares at kakobrekla then says "fix the bot"
teward: BingoBoingo: thank you kindly
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'teward', with hostmask 'teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward', is identified as user 'TheLordOfTime', with GPG key id 406253859C1129B6, key fingerprint FE87E56959370E1989828103406253859C1129B6, and bitcoin address 1LEKacNEUzD4gStZScnG2vgkQ9HmpMz1Kp
teward: ;;gettrust assbot [ident teward]
teward: assuming the bot actually checks ident of a user
teward: if it doesn't it needs retooled
teward: BingoBoingo: teward being my altnick
teward: this *used* to work actually
assbot: LordofTime is not registered in WoT.
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'teward', with hostmask 'teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward', is identified as user 'TheLordOfTime', with GPG key id 406253859C1129B6, key fingerprint FE87E56959370E1989828103406253859C1129B6, and bitcoin address 1LEKacNEUzD4gStZScnG2vgkQ9HmpMz1Kp
BingoBoingo: teward: You should be able to !up under that name
teward: BingoBoingo: and it says I can't
teward: [15/01/31 19:56:11] <teward> !up
teward: [15/01/31 19:56:12] <assbot> You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)
teward: as i said, the bot is broke
BingoBoingo: teward: Have you tried wearing that nick while asking assbot !up
teward: BingoBoingo: can't - 150+ channels would be screaming
Guest18566: BingoBoingo: NOW it wants me to auth with it...
Guest18566: BingoBoingo: [15/01/31 20:04:47] -NickServ- Information on thelordoftime (account thetimelord): <-- musta expired
teward: BingoBoingo: sounds like I need to rape freenode with a stick again
teward: BingoBoingo: if that's a new thing, then the webpage needs updated
teward: and i'll yell at kakobrekla later
teward: can't auth as a nick that was stolen from me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00037089 = 10.2551 BTC [+]
teward: kakobrekla: unfortunately TheLordOfTime, my gribble auth nick, is stolen - must have expired and been taken
teward: since !up now binds to your own auth mech
teward: rather than gribble auth
teward: and since the nick i auth up as in otc was taken, there's a problem
teward: got the pgp key for 'teward' but if your bot fails to recognize master/alt nicks... well...
teward: yer gonna have people like me bringing hell
teward: kakobrekla: probably nickserv expiry - haven't used that nick in eons
teward: but 9 weeks ago was when it was 'registered' by someone
teward: tryin to hunt down an irc staffer to figure out what happened
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 21:27:59; kakobrekla: i know changing names is not a good practice, but perhaps for the sake of sync we could allow to update your name once (given properly signed request from adequate gpg key)
punkman: why not optional wotnick parameter when using commands?
kakobrekla: because split personalities belong to #bitcoin-insane-asylum
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59841 @ 0.00037247 = 22.289 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6688 @ 0.00097658 = 6.5314 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2030 @ 0.00098946 = 2.0086 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: flibbr is not registered in WoT.
teward: mircea_popescu: bitcoin op, perhaps, not freenode staffer :)
teward: if i were freenode staffer cholby would be getting klined on sight every single time
teward: and then i'd have my oline revoked for overusing /kline xD
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.teward.1:fc509d9d4b7e9bcc7fa8f0b03ff66507e9f975b04b153a5a7b45e4bdf99a6b31
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for teward with note: guy whose name starts with t.
teward: well known freenode troll/spammer/scammer/bitch
mircea_popescu: teward now you can assbot voice, send !up in pm then !v its string
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2550 @ 0.000999 = 2.5475 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: cazalla: but i think we've also refined the type of content we publish << i guess that's gonna keep getting redefined, iut's what living things do.
teward: mircea_popescu: this needs documented
teward: mircea_popescu: the auth process for unfamiliar people :)
teward was unaware of the switch to internal auth mechanisms
teward: and 'scammer' in that he tries to impersonate staff when he's really bored
teward: ends up 'scamming' users into things
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BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Yeah, just dunno how that qualifies him to say Bitcoin companie should just stop competing with each other and then dissolve when they solve their problems
danielpbarron: "what's your business plan?" "to go out of business in a few years"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, that just makes him a shoulder
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00037689 = 3.882 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i hope they had a new york clause in their contract, and griesa gets to judge it
mats: i'm looking forward to the outcome of this
mats: will any others develop the courage to leave the EU? huhu
mats: asciilifeform: any recommendations for a logic analyzer? preferably something sub $1k
mats: i've heard good things about saleae logic, have you used it?
mats: software is described as high quality.
mats: closed-source seems normal from the researching ive done
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00037689 = 20.0505 BTC [+]
onewhosits: what are some BTC predictions for this coming week?
mats: try #bitcoin-pricetalk
onewhosits: no sir, google brings up "world of tanks" aha
BingoBoingo: onewhosits: Another important step is getting a cloak and moving off of webchat cloak
BingoBoingo: Hides your IP, because it is hard to tell when DoS bot will return
onewhosits: oh i see. is it risky to use these channels? i run tailsos when i need to
mats: i'd avoid doing anything sensitive over Tor, though
mats: some curmudgeon operating an exit node could diddle your traffic.
BingoBoingo: onewhosits: More just some vandal has a bot that lurks and DoS's connections as it seens them join. Cloak should be enough to defeat that. To connect with Tor you'd need a cloak anyway.
danielpbarron: onewhosits, out of curiousity: did you verify the gpg signature on the tails installer?
pete_dushenski: whoa what's with the chernobyl theme over at thebitcoin.foundation ?
onewhosits: Good info friends. I'm currently using my home ip so im good. interesting though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53562 @ 0.00038117 = 20.4162 BTC [+]
onewhosits: danielpbarron. No, actually i didn't. Should've. Is there a common problem with modified tailos installs?
danielpbarron: onewhosits, idk -- it doesn't matter anyway; the tails guys aren't in the WoT
danielpbarron: i was just wondering if a random tails user was aware of that sort of thing, or if they just downloaded it because freetalklive mentioned it
decimation: the LXR 'concordance' is pretty neat, it would be cool if it were possible to create that without webserver turd
onewhosits: danielpbarrn ahh. nah ive been using the distro for some time
decimation: asciilifeform: but it is possible to get decent (if not 'mazerati'-grade) instrumentation without swallowing winblows << except agilent et.al. comes with windows
decimation: hp was lowered in pederastry after years of fucktarded management - mainly after hewlitt and packard died
decimation: yes, that era forms the mud-layer upon which modern silly-con valley is built
decimation: asciilifeform: that's probably a good explanation for why high-end engineering software comes only on winblows
decimation: that and, the only proprietary hardware unix vendor left is... apple
BingoBoingo: decimation: Similar to how when the Western Roman empire fell, concrete was forgotten for quite some time, because no volcanic ash in coldistan
decimation: decimation: sun have been lowered into oracle or that turd 'joylent' that was discussed awhile ago
decimation: BingoBoingo: aye, it is my understanding that even to this day the exact recipe for 'roman concrete' is still not completely known
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: actually, sun corp. endured for a while << Sun alway though lacked the introspection necessary to realize things like... A bench might be a better place to assemble machines than the floor.
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decimation: they built aqua-ducts that lasted 2000 years - I'm not betting that 'portland cement' will last as long
decimation: yes, warez vendors targeted solaris as a platform, like cadence, adobe, etc
decimation: actually this is a perfect example of how 'drowning in idiots' can ruin an industry
decimation: suddenly everyone who could use windows was a 'computer expert', so people who used computers to compute became 'dinosaurs' or 'weird'
decimation: aye. once 'management' decided that windows was the answer, the nerds at the bottom had no chance
decimation: asciilifeform: do you have a source for little wires with single pin 'female header' connectors?
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decimation: ah. thanks. the problem mainly is figuring out how to describe what you want
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22184 @ 0.00035681 = 7.9155 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.00035681 = 16.5381 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cazalla's text. But... certain people who birthed it still promote it as an alternative that still solves a problem.
danielpbarron: i've seen a few "just sold all my BTC for Litecoin because MP is mean" posts
mats: hm, bitbet has graduated to being a sextuple reverse fractional reserve if my computation is correct
cazalla: asciilifeform, coblee admits his silver analogy doesn't make sense but continues with it anyway.. doesn't sound genuine to me at all
cazalla: and nobody has moved the goal posts as much as those idiots.. gpu resistant, asic resistant, it's faster etc etc
mats: its still fluctuating around 1%, so perhaps it may live on yet
cazalla: so no, i don't buy that litecoin was anything more than the creation of your stereotypical chink who knocks shit off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00035681 = 27.0462 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the cynical answer could also be that he's a bad actor who tried to detract energies away from bitcoin at a pivotal moment
cazalla: he is malicious because he contains to appear at conferences to tell people how a coin is all about the marketing regardless of whether what you say is factual or not. he's just the first iteration of garza
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: at least litecoin didn't have a phoundation crudding it up to its gills over a period of years
cazalla: asciilifeform, i'm pretty sure every altcoin always launches with the idea of being different to every other altcoin
cazalla: pete_dushenski, it has had one for the last year along with a *talk.org forum.. it's pretty much the blue print for altcoins at this point, launch your altcointalk.org, have a foundation and premine under the guise the foundation will use the coins in some fund to spread adoption
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: best electric tranny is ICE powered.
cazalla: of course, which is why i got into it to begin with but in hindsight, just sour grapes at missing cheaper bitcoin
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the 'cynical' answer would be that he didn't give a flying fuck about asic resistance in the general sense, but planned to build own asic << There was drama about a collaborator of his GPU mining this GPU unminable coin from the start
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Collaborator was also one of the first, notorious BTC GPU miners
pete_dushenski: cazalla: a, a newer thing then, another "but it worked for the us" scenario
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: even tesla's have to get leccy from somewhere
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and what was that miata bit? is this your dream car or.. ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00035373 = 7.5521 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: no proof of course but i wouldn't put it past a guy to do that.. a guy that is willing to get up in front of a room and admit what he says isn't true but that it's OK because "marketing"
pete_dushenski: and now lee is presumably sipping mai tais somewhere because i swear he hasn't made a peep in 12 months
cazalla: still a coinbase despite telling the faithful that coinbase will add litecoin and that he'll leave if they don't
mats: based on the description, anyway.
mats: mircea_popescu: would you consider records and other business documents (e.g. tax filings) within the scope of the courts-circus parameters?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00035275 = 6.6141 BTC [-]
mats: er, not tax filings, but financial documents -- also, what about electronic storage devices?
pete_dushenski: true renewable sources of energy–wind, solar, and biomass–may be much less adversely affected by the plunge in oil prices than is widely believed << because reasons
pete_dushenski: 1. First, oil is used primarily for transportation and not to produce electricity, whereas renewables play an increasing role in producing electricity. In other words, oil and renewables are not direct competitors.
pete_dushenski: 2. Second, over the longer run, because of continuing technological improvements, the prices of renewables, especially solar power, are likely to drop much faster than is the case for commodity-based fuels such as oil. The prices of commodity-based fuels, which are traded in deep, liquid markets, also tend to be more volatile than those of renewables, for which there tend to be no separate markets (especially fo
pete_dushenski: r fuels that are just inputs into generation of electricity).
pete_dushenski: because in greenlandia, deep liquid markets are more volatile than thin illiquid ones
pete_dushenski: ok scratch that, liquidity should increase volatility in the short-term but illiquid markets have larger fat tails
pete_dushenski: in any event, the "green is fine u guise" construction is hollow
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pete_dushenski: I would recommend you sell your bitcoins and buy your alts you were just pumping , because holding onto MPcoin won't be wise. At least with litecoin and peercoin you will lose your investments at a slower pace.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah ultimately the 'infinite noise' guy's circuit is still vulnerable to rf noise in the right band
decimation: pete_dushenski: lol "our scam will suck you dry slowly"
decimation: aye, one can't keep a chumpatron going if it kills the chumps
pete_dushenski: you never notice the depreciation whack because "only monthly payment matters"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44850 @ 0.00035275 = 15.8208 BTC [-]
decimation: yeah it's hard to 'enjoy' paying nothing for a car if you never do it
decimation pays nothing for his cars (other than maintenance and gas) and enoys it
pete_dushenski: it's not clear to me that people enjoy paying for things with the aim of ownership
decimation: I'm considering purchasing some real estate
decimation: bezzlar lending rates keep dropping because 'oh noes deflation'
decimation: yeah I'm pretty sure he's built a half-ass 'sigma-delta' adc
decimation: he is definitely running a 'sampling' system
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.000354 = 9.4872 BTC [+]
phillipsjk: Of course, that hiearchy is not rigid in real life. Anarcho-socialists may simply skip gaining status, instead prioritizing "8. Transcendence needs - helping others to achieve self actualization."
phillipsjk: so in a word yes, I know the fixed hierarchy is largely fiction.
decimation: phillipsjk: do you think mental illness is something that is fundamentally biological? or do you think that the mentally ill could 'shake it off' and choose not to?
phillipsjk: Sometimes I think mental illness is a rational response to life events.
decimation: is 'unintelligence' also something one can 'shake off' and overcome, just by trying hard enough?
phillipsjk: I accept that some people are smarter than others. That does not automatically imply that the goal of all smart people is to gain wealth and status.
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, it nicely illustrates that there are priorities other than wealth/status.
pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: merely that less smart people have the deck stacked against them in their pursuit of anything
decimation: phillipsjk: just because 'some choose not to pursue wealth', it doesn't follow that the wealthy are not intelligent
decimation: but asciilifeform, tenured professors teach maslow in school!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00035467 = 8.2283 BTC [+] {2}
phillipsjk: I also wanted to comment that behavior that seem stupid from the outside is sometimes completely rational. Quoting MP: 'last time we diagnosed [the DDOS bot] it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it. long known as a problem, little to do about it because "must have lusers on the internet"'
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997218 (as an example)
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 15:12:13; mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P << last time we diagnosed this it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it.
phillipsjk: The users installing those routers probably don't even play with computer networks as a hobby. It is the manufacturers, not the end-users' fault that UPnP is exposed to the Internet.
phillipsjk: Exposing UPnP to the internet defies all common sense. Add to that, many of the Pwnt routers appear to be in China, I am going to call it a deliberate back-door on the part of the manufacturer.
phillipsjk: "Technology companies that want to sell equipment to Chinese banks will have to submit to extensive audits, turn over source code, and build “back doors” into their hardware and software, according to a copy of the rules obtained by foreign companies already doing billions of dollar worth of business in the country. The new rules were laid out in a 22-page document from Beijing, and are presumably being put in place so that the Chin
phillipsjk: ese government can peek into computer banking systems."
phillipsjk: Incidentally, leaving the back-door open to the public gives the Chinese Government plausible deniability if they decide to attack this humble channel.
phillipsjk: That reminds me, I noticed the logs have comments from "noisy" people trimmed.
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; mircea_popescu: !rated felipelalli
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk..
phillipsjk: yes I found relevant text on the log from the 21st.
phillipsjk: I am not sure it was a true amplification. I suspect it was a flase positive because the addresses ended in .255
phillipsjk: All 3 addresses I mentioned were from /16 netblocks.
phillipsjk: My router reported a "smurf" attack, but I think it is a mis-diagnosis.
punkman: phillipsjk: that's usual background noise
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 15:40:59; assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk..
ben_vulpes: not trimmed from the logs, but prevented from speaking during a roasting.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thing is, i want it to shut down cleanly and reboot shortly after it exits cleanly.
phillipsjk: I did not look too closely, but saw UDP fragment flood with some ICMP messages (to try to track my connectivity?).
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've already lost days to shutting the thing down forcefully, i'm determined to not waste any more time with things that can be automated.
ben_vulpes: i wanted it running in the context of cron, so i'll probably have to do some shooping of stuff around.
decimation: phillipsjk: would you be willing to upload a sample of your ddos captures?
phillipsjk: decimation, sure. Would have to be tomorrow though. Would like 50MB be enough? (Ie: before I switched out the 10Mbps hub)
decimation: post a link on the channel so folks can browse it
phillipsjk would have to check how much space his web-host allows him to use.
phillipsjk: I can probably make it any size you want.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: i was just wondering if a random tails user was aware of that sort of thing, or if they just downloaded it because freetalklive mentioned it << you know the answer to that q.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this, rather than 'open'-whatever in the abstract, is why redmond declared total war on linux << quite.
mircea_popescu: in other news, one doesn't hate you for the things about you that make you great, one hates you for the things about you that make his shit no longer work.
pete_dushenski: that sammy was a converted member of the tribe, i did not
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski rickles is easily one of the greatest comedians who ever lived
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pete_dushenski: lol i was already laughed out by the time he took the microphone
punkman: I'm gonna try to setup turdatronic bitcoind on VPS. Is there an easy way to monitor and log IO for just the bitcoind process?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i once suggested, semi-seriously, a proofofworkfunktion based on cellular automata << i recall our discussing this, in the very logs! years ago!
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2014 02:11:03; asciilifeform: proposed algo, for those who insist:
mircea_popescu: i thought it was much much longer ago than fucken march last.
mircea_popescu: this is like... b-a logs are so substantial they dilate the perception of time.
mircea_popescu: just... so many ideas, it's like reading 3 centuries worth of old gray lady.
punkman: mircea_popescu: going by log height #590953 to #1001132 (now), it's a lot of time
mircea_popescu: and then we give nooby kids with undegrad "business" and "governance" degrees a hard time for their self-reported "experience"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00035275 = 5.2031 BTC [-]
punkman: look at that, almost doubled log lines betwwen 3/2014 and now
danielpbarron: are cellular automata easy to verify? I mean, work backwards to the start point
mircea_popescu: cazalla: he's just the first iteration of garza <<< this angle i can definitely see.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: it's deterministic, if that's what you're asking.
mircea_popescu: about as easy to go either way, towards past or future
mircea_popescu: they;'re not unidirectional sort of problerms like the factorisation problem is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, it's become scarcely distinguishable from other pumpcoinz << know teh seinfeld effect ?
mircea_popescu: There are certain shows that you can safely assume most people have seen. These shows were considered fantastic when they first aired. Now, however, these shows have a Hype Backlash curse on them. Whenever we watch them, we'll cry, "That is so old" or "That is so overdone".
mircea_popescu: The sad irony? It wasn't old or overdone when they did it. But the things it created were so brilliant and popular, they became woven into the fabric of that show's genre. They ended up being taken for granted, copied and endlessly repeated. Although they often began by saying something new, they in turn became the status quo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: at the minimum, it was a 'spare' in case of a catastrophic break in sha2 << on this we agree. meanwhile that problem seems to have navigated away
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell TomServo I'm around town tomorrow if you'd like to meet up.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Collaborator was also one of the first, notorious BTC GPU miners << who was this again ?
BingoBoingo: If I recall correctly he was a "dev" back in ancient times
BingoBoingo: Did I get all of the quotes right on the puzzle?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think he was if my memory works, but... confirming involves wading way deep into the bitcointalk altcoin section
BingoBoingo: Ah, I'll source the Something Awful ones when I find a working login. 2 and 4 though. From the same post on the Butterfly Labs forum.
decimation: asciilifeform: is that 'potting' material?
mircea_popescu: mats "private persons" in II excludes corporations. but otherwise, anything that one communicated to another is fair game.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how this'd practically be stuff like tax filings, court can and does ask the irs for that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think it was some sort of Pro-Brewster agitprop
mircea_popescu: i tell you, blond inch tall figurines drawn on a EGA screen waving about swords are no basis for a financial system.
mircea_popescu: supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the wot, not some farcical fencing ceremony...
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski seriously, someone argued that "he prices of commodity-based fuels, which are traded in deep, liquid markets, also tend to be more volatile than those of renewables, for which there tend to be no separate markets" ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm guessing that they go to special schools
pete_dushenski: it must take years, if not decades of training to chock one's brain full of such crud
pete_dushenski: Robert Litan is a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of “Trillion Dollar Economists.”
mircea_popescu: That number isn't true as it assumes we will immediately be processing 84k transactions per block which isn't going to happen."
mircea_popescu: YOU ARE CONFUSING PEOPLE!! the problem we are solving is not a problem which is why it should be solved!!!1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tomorrow'll be fine, but yes, now is the time on sprockets where you let the little guys fuck by themselves a while.
mircea_popescu: also there, " Bitcoin can be so complicated at times that even I have problems getting all the facts."
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benjamindees seven billion people have no savings.
mircea_popescu: everyone has savings, and they save in gold ? wtf is this bs.
mircea_popescu: decimation: bezzlar lending rates keep dropping because 'oh noes deflation' <<< if you can take an immense loan denominated in usd and at a fixed rate, to purchase anything tangible you should do so right now.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell phillipsjk you can't reason on any topic on the rotten basis of socialist propaganda.
pete_dushenski: 5 seems to be the norm, not sure how hard it is to get a longer fixed rate term
mircea_popescu: what is this, fucking retail ? we're all jews, right ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: for 'well qualified' folks in 'conventional' mortgages, you can get 3.5% for 30 years!
mircea_popescu: hm, i guess actually you might not have the luxury to tell them to gtfo
decimation: in the us, all mortgages are sold by usg
mircea_popescu: banks refinance at about 0.2% anything under .3% is ok but over that is being greedy.
mircea_popescu: maybe there's no private market in the sense that there's no bitcoin stock market ?
pete_dushenski: i'm more interested in how long you can negotiate as far as a fixed rate term goes
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski anything past ~20 years is not necessarily going to come in your favour.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski understand : building a building costs to the tune of a bn or a few.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: having now sent kill $(cat bitcoind.pid) several times, i'm no longer so certain that the damn thing obeys SIGTERM.
mircea_popescu: We were stunned by the allegations which served to negatively impact our business in this exciting and evolving financial category, said Josh Garza, CEO of GAW. However, we appreciate the outpouring of support by a community that is behind what we are doing as pioneers in the cryptocurrency market; in short, they simply didnt believe it.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no way. it respondes to ./bitcoind -datadir=. -port=... -rpcport=... stop, but not to kill $BITCOIND_PID
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The users installing those routers probably don't even play with computer networks as a hobby. It is the manufacturers, not the end-users' fault that UPnP is exposed to the Internet. <<< ther atrocity known as unpnp exists in the first place because people who do not know how to use computers wish nevertheless to use computers, and then complain to people running servers that "doesn't work".
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mircea_popescu: it is the fault of the people running servers that they implemented upnp instead of beating the people with the reports, sure. however, beatings suffer from a disaster of commons type of problem : they are valuabler and expensive, but the beneficiaries resist them afore, even if they appreciate them after.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: this humble channel. << i never thought i'd live to hear that one.
decimation: I can't find good data, but it is pretty well known that usg entities purchase 30 year fixed loans
decimation: as for 15x, you can get 0.5% loans - that have 1-month adjustable rates
mircea_popescu: perhaps as a 10 year fixed, with a negotiable that includes your right to fully repay.
mircea_popescu: iirc that's the structure i used last time i did something like this.
decimation: not through any traditional loan dealer
decimation: perhaps a private party would make such a deal
decimation: eh, I can borrow usg's bezzlars for 3.5
mircea_popescu: (is that shit still 4.95 or did "deflation" fix that proble mtoo ?)
decimation: no, it's like having usg pay 70 bucks for a happy mean I 'get' to eat
decimation: i think mcd has raised their prices somewhat, not sure
mircea_popescu: decimation the difference is negligible from where i'm sitting!!!1
decimation: the problem is, even if I were to purchase a house with say, gold or bitcoin
decimation: I would still be trading an asset for something valued in loaned-bezzlars
mircea_popescu: decimation this is why it only makes sense to buy it as a loan, on good terms.
decimation: well, it is certainly the case that it is hard to find a bank that pays more than 1% on your savings account
decimation: but it's also impossible to find a 30-year fixed at less than 3.5
decimation: well, they are essentially 'vanity' prices
decimation: for instance, almost no us banks (to my knowledge) offer 30-years cd's
decimation: the only reason 30-year fixed exists in the us is because of 'popular demand'
decimation: the banking system is a propaganda wrapper around usg/fed bank ownership
mircea_popescu: but anyway : as in the centrally controlled economy of the socialist state, so in the us : the "private" sector is a wrapper around the politburo.
mircea_popescu: and the "workers" are a wrapper around that wrapper. in the sense a rectum is a wrapper around the condom wrapped around the cock.
decimation: the latest fed open market meeting strongly implied that rates will be low for a long time yet
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decimation: rather than the scheduled increase in 6 months
decimation: because oil halved, therefore 'the deflation' scare is on
mircea_popescu: it's so amusing for me to see the situation of 1980s japan imported pretty much all over the north atlantic.
decimation: the implication being that serious folks with lots of bezzlars see a 3% 30-year loan as a great investment - which is telling about expectations of the future
mircea_popescu: well... it would be wouldn't it ? look how well freddie mac did
mircea_popescu: (it did do great - the bankers made money, that's the benchmark)
decimation: if the us becomes japan for the next 30 years, then it is a great deal
mircea_popescu: japan was a nation, and those three decades nigh on crumbled it.
mircea_popescu: a federation, like the us ? the austro-hungarian empire didn't last five years of harship.
mircea_popescu: a reconstruction of some sort of imaginary alternative is no different from any other synthetic product : like the transsexual, like the roman eunuch or later italian castrato, like all other exercises in artifexery.
mircea_popescu: now, that such a matter of fact is a flimsy ground for assault, and has no good reason to escalate to battery is certainly true.
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla nice month yo. <<< hopefully february will dwarf it
ben_vulpes: i've been considering how to present this to the "feminists" in my vicinity
ben_vulpes: the "objectification is part and parcel of having a cunt" line takes more delicacy and subtlety than i've yet cultivated.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes sadly it's the equivalent of the beatings. women grok wtf it all means, by virtue of their existential quality of being women. little girls, of whatever age, even 50 should they be, have no avenue to comprehend wtf is being said.
mircea_popescu: so they fly in a girlish rage, which is fine and perfectly comprehensible, and even self aware
ben_vulpes: trick being to deliver the beatings without going to jail in this here country
mircea_popescu: anyway, one shouldn't be a doctor for people who aren't patients. not your job to solve people's problems, especially those htey do not care to have solved.
ben_vulpes: a few are right on the cusp, but it's taken years to get them there
ben_vulpes: "one shouldn't be a doctor" << the doctoring's forced on one
mircea_popescu: you will find that cusp can be quite wide. it's like an untrained orgasmer going "i'm almost there".
ben_vulpes: control problems, control problems everywhere.
ben_vulpes ponders the unintentional double entendre
ben_vulpes: i'm not really that bright it turns out
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ben_vulpes: who said i wanted to wade hip deep into cpp or straighten out everyones mental models
ben_vulpes: (i roast none better than myself. it's a...skill.)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, take a guess!
mircea_popescu: and does the govt letter go "we object to the inclusion of this witness as mr antonopoulos is actually... in a word... dead." ?
ben_vulpes: lol your grip on the fabric of reality isn't that stiff yet boss
cazalla: none other than United States v. Ross Ulbricht.. he's fkn sunk with derp on the stand
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ben_vulpes: samO_: your cloak is getting applied after you join channels
ben_vulpes: *** samO_ (~samO@109-92-79-197.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) has joined channel #bitcoin-assets
ben_vulpes: you've been reading logs, haven't you.
ben_vulpes: PeterL: are you getting conned this spring?
ben_vulpes: trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/
PeterL: oh, no, no job atm, can't afford it
PeterL: by the way, if anybody needs a chemist, I'm looking for work now
ben_vulpes: while we're on the topic, a single node should never be a single source of blocks.
PeterL: small molecule synthesis is what I've been doing the past 3 years
ben_vulpes: dunno about how many n's would be involved but in terms of *should*, blocks *should* be checked against a few peers.
PeterL: yes, there would ideally be more that one connection open at a time
ben_vulpes: (if multiple peers are available, and the implementation's coding is up to the concurrency)
PeterL: does RI do multiple connections yet?
ben_vulpes: or if it's opening them it sure as hell isn't doing anything with them
ben_vulpes: truth be told, frere, the RI's just that. it's not supposed to be fancy or anything.
ben_vulpes: gets blocks, barfs blocks, relays transactions. i've not heard any serious arguments for inclusion of additional functionality beyond that.
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PeterL: mircea_popescu:a federation, like the us ? << nominally US is a federation, but between the FedGov usurping power from the states, free movement of people between the states, and the mass-produced commercialized 'culture', the US is pretty homogenous; we think of ourselfs as USians rather than $myState-ians.
ben_vulpes: i'll go further, PeterL, $myStatism is actually discouraged by *all* political groups.
PeterL: nah, there are some who are adamantly Texan
PeterL: kind of the exception though
ben_vulpes: lets not bother ourselves with 3/4 sigma shit tho.
pete_dushenski: ^for those english-speaking hebrewphiles interested in sabbatai zevi and eretz israel
PeterL: Rather than having all the magic numbers hard coded into the RI, should there be some sort of config file? Stuff like the DNS seeds, number of bastard blocks to hold onto, number of connections to make, etc?
ben_vulpes: PeterL: yeah, it'd be nice to get everything configified
ben_vulpes: it's not entirely out of the question that the ri could even be coerced into hooking onto arbitrary altchains with well-done configuration
ben_vulpes: question being the same as one would have for the matchstick eiffel tower engineer
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mats: guess i should watch sports so i can relate to peasants...
mats: punkman: thanks, will peruse
kakobrekla: cultivated-disinterest-in-professional-sports relevant < to what ?
TheNewDeal: isn't that what the internet was invented for?
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BingoBoingo: Fun Fact, if Marshawn Lynch grabs his crotch on the field he will be fined the same $500,000 BitPay paid for their Bowl game
TheNewDeal: anyone see that Conan bit with Marshawn playing Mortal Combat?
TheNewDeal: I guess Conan has a recurring bit called "Clueless Gamer"
mats: kakobrekla: whoops, i copied that message wholesale from another window. meant to share just the link.
mats: but i suppose it'd be relevant to americans, today being the Superb Owl
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TheNewDeal: Wondering if you are interested in a meetup today
BingoBoingo: Well, GAW bought it. They still seem to take deposits. Just not so keep on the withdrawals business
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ben_vulpes: does anyone have a recommendation for an x11 friendly browser?
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ben_vulpes: mnah i don't think that's actually going to work so well
BingoBoingo: Trilema, and Qntra look pretty good in xxxterm
BingoBoingo: xxxterm is an actual browser though, perfect for ben_vulpes
jurov: sooo.. asciilifeform sent email with wordwrapped-after-clearsigned text and with attachemnts bigger than 1024k limit
jurov: fixed and published
jurov: i never thought it will become channel for binaries distribution
decimation: Poland are currently covertly supplying Ukraine with some weapons."
decimation: I would like someone in usg to explain to little people like me why 1) poking russia with a stick is a good idea and 2.) what possible good could come from it
trinque: decimation: this time it will be different.
trinque: the USA is a hyperpower... etc
mircea_popescu: "In one story in the ROVER, for instance, somebody has a tame bear, and as it is a Russian bear, it is nicknamed Trotskyobviously an echo of the 1917-23 period and not of recent controversies. The clock has stopped at 1910. Britannia rules the waves, and no one has heard of slumps, booms, unemployment, dictatorships, purges or concentration camps."
mats: decimation: brinksmanship is how this game is played, yo.
mats: what does USG care if Putin shuts off the gas?
decimation: mats: what 'game'? is usg trying to gain a colony in eastern europe
mats: i seriously doubt there's an actual end game, but they'll keep playing anyways
mats: maybe they wanna put up moar missile sites near .ru
trinque: the game is just pumping up defense spending
trinque: rather, there's no game and it's a runaway process of it's own
decimation: I guess. Like, if there were anti-us rebels in mexico, I think usg would be seriously pissed if russia sent troops to support them
trinque: more enemies == dear god man, look at the stock market!!11!!!
mats: gotta fight Putin, you know, the man's "evil" and not a true Christian, etc...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Either a British Officer/Administrator who fought America in 1812 or the lead singer of Modest Mouse
decimation: mats: actually that's another point - it seems to me that we have more of an interest in giving putin a little of what he wants in exchange for helping put a lid on the crazy muslims
mircea_popescu: After being told by the US attorney that I would be sent to jail for seven or eight years if I took my case to trial I signed a plea agreement. At the sentencing the judge asked me if anyone threatened or coerced me in any way to sign the plea agreement. When I said Yes, absolutely, the judges eyes became very wide and he asked what do you mean? I explained that the US attorney told me that he would send
mircea_popescu: me to jail for seven or eight years if I didnt sign the plea agreement. The judge responded that that was not what he was asking about, so I replied that I must not understand what it means to be threatened or coerced. The judge then proceeded to lecture me extensively on politics. He carried on about why government is so important and how taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society and that government
mircea_popescu: is wonderful in general. He summed up his lecture by telling me that, I dont want you to think that your political views have anything to do with why you are here today, and then sentenced me to serve ten months in federal prison.
mircea_popescu: trying to take these schmoes seriously is not unlike trying to make an army of toddlers.
mats: decimation: if there was anybody bright running the show, they'd exactly cave to Putin and let him slaughter the muslamics in europe
mats: solve that problem rightaway
decimation: mats: yeah I think we are on the same page
mircea_popescu: mats putin is not as against teh muslims as you imagine.
mircea_popescu: i'll bet you as a for instance that the way he sees it, the muslims taking over europe east of the danube is perfect, inasmuch as they'll do away with the feminists, transsexuals, redditards etceteras on their own dime.
mats: i didn't mean to venture that he wanted to own more of europe
jurov: you mean west of the danube?
mats: much like nobody wants detroit
mircea_popescu: and by east of the danube i mean west of the danube, of course
decimation: why don't muslims settle in romania and moldova?
trinque: muslims don't seem to "settle"
jurov: decimation, these countries are not welcoming to any immigrants
trinque: there are european countries that are actually resisting being invaded?
decimation: jurov: those countries don't have a problem sending emigrants to other countries...
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trinque: decimation: wow, that would not have been my assumption given the proximity of eastern europe..
jurov: eastern europe is deeply suspicious of any immigrants
BingoBoingo: Eastern Europe sounds a lot like Wisconsin or Minnesota, except less Nordic
mircea_popescu: nah. eastern europe is basically astoria, queens and brooklyn
mats: this makes me sad about my options
mircea_popescu: (and contrary to what everyone is willing to admit, it actually includes italy and about half of germany plus austria)
mats: i dun really wanna go back to asia and i worry about being able to fit in, in sudamerica
mircea_popescu: this eastern europe = sucks thing is new, really. what do oyu think tyhe blue danube is about, normandy ?
mircea_popescu: certainly the women look a lot less like perambulating pancakes.
mats: i'm kidding. but no, i haven't been to south america yet
trinque imagines if/when he ever moves, his accent will get him beaten in an alley somewhere
mircea_popescu: i tell you something else : teh muslims are reasonably fun to be around.
decimation: I'm not implying that eastern europe sucks, what I meant was that their fortunes have changed such that they are no longer a proud empire, but instead a collection of wayward sheep
mircea_popescu: for one thing, you don't have to explain to them that your harem's your harem and what's it for.
mircea_popescu: when talking things through with teenaged cunt such cultural support helps.
mircea_popescu: decimation revolution really means rotation, you know ? this is what europe does, essentially it's a falling rods press for other people.
decimation: aye, no nation or empire possesses the 'conch shell' forever
mircea_popescu: trinque dude, if i could find a hundred people willing to beat up anyone in an alley on the basis of their accent in this country
mircea_popescu: the current one only has like... 3. and they're inept.
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2014 14:20:09; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin'
☟︎ danielpbarron: well i got asciilifeform's bastard binary working (or would anyone prefer i try traditional) on my pogoplug; still setting up an environment to build it myself (sorry i'm kinda rusty at all this)
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trinque: after reading that article which mentioned the coy response I see it *everywhere*
mircea_popescu: that place where you hear things that then restructure your perception.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the us is now fighting indians with indians ?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: and find out whether process actually died, or merely went into one of the up to hour-long fugues the bastard bitcoind goes into when everybody it connects to wants nothing but to supply bastards << in these fuges, does it report that "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." ?
danielpbarron: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
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ben_vulpes: so xxxterm furned into xombrero which maintained by conformal?
danielpbarron: started it over again, this time it's up to height=52820 still going
mircea_popescu: cazalla fwiw, the state has an ironclad case for rejecting the proposed testimony.
xanthyos: got a new windows 8 machine and i really don't like what computers have become
xanthyos: i miss the mechanical red switch on my 286
xanthyos: i wonder how much the hardware itself is compromised regardless of the OS i use
xanthyos: i don't like the concept of "apps"
xanthyos: noone has to look for the exe anymore
cazalla: i don't think they have for a long time xanthyos, which is why 18f_tits.jpg.exe worked so well lol
mats: probably all, xanthyos
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was mostly interested in linking the zombie's name to the NeoBee thing yet again. There's little left in the Ulbricht case capable of being interesting until appeals are filed.
BingoBoingo: And Preet isn't objecting on inpetness of the introduction.
mircea_popescu: well yes, that part is funny. preet is objecting to the defense calling its own witnesses because "the government already did that"
mircea_popescu: as if that's how things work. but hey, in obamaland, north of chad, that's exactly how they do work
danielpbarron: it's hung up on block 56154 but still running and receiving data
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My personal interpretation of the filing is that Preet want the record to reflect objecting to Andreas, while not successfull preventing the zombie's testimony.
BingoBoingo: Too mebbe to make that explicit in the summary.
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trinque: mircea_popescu | that place where you hear things that then restructure your perception. << I went to a shitty public institution, found it a waste of my time, departed early. I would've loved to experience such a place, glad I stumbled in here.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla going by
https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net re top sites / audience interests : mebbe it's worth your time to write to pando, silicon angle writers (individually) see if they want to submit a piece for qntra ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL: nominally US is a federation, but [..] << the argument that austro-hungary was a federation of nations, whereas the us is a federation of nobodies does not in fact bolster its prospects to any degree.
mircea_popescu: yes, you're righyt, which is why the "Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter" domains of His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty, FJ yielded stuff like the bohemian kingdom.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> whereas an ozarks duchy seems improbable on the face. << A singular Ozark Dutchy yes, but a collection of Ozark hamlets that in confederation raids Kansas with some regularity is possible
BingoBoingo: Chicagoland might live on as a very poor Duchy
trinque: it's my understanding that chiraq is pretty well armed
trinque: maybe we get a hip-hop producing boko haram out of it
BingoBoingo: trinque: Sure, but so are the near rural areas which don't like Chicagoland
mircea_popescu: Franz Joseph von Gottes Gnaden Erwählter Römischer Kaiser allzeit Mehrer des Reiches Erblicher Kaiser von Österreich König von Germanien; Apostolischer König von Ungarn; König von Böhmen Dalmatien Kroatien Slawonien Galizien Lodomerien und Illyrien ; König von Jerusalem etc.; Erzherzog von Österreich; Großherzog von Toskana und Krakau ; Herzog von Lothringen Salzburg Würzburg Franken Steiermark Kärnten Krai
mircea_popescu: n und der Bukowina ; Großfürst von Siebenbürgen ; Markgraf von Mähren ; Herzog von Sandomir Masowien Lublin Ober- und Nieder schlesien Modena Parma Piacenza Guastalla Auschwitz Zator Teschen Friaul Ragusa und Zara ; Gefürsteter Graf von Habsburg und Tirol Kyburg Görz und Gradisca; Fürst von Trient und Brixen ; Markgraf von Ober- und Nieder lausitz und in Istrien ; Graf von Hohenems Feldkirch Bregenz Sonnenberg e
mircea_popescu: tc.; Herr von Triest von Cattaro und auf der windischen Mark; Großwoiwode der Woiwodschaft Serbien ; Prinz von Berchtesgaden und Mergentheim und so weiter.
mircea_popescu: now imagine it in the us you know, herzog of frankfort and ruler of the kansas marches
mircea_popescu: (a marsh is not a swamp, but a disputed and difficult to defend border land. which is to say a swamp.)
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BingoBoingo: trinque: I think the Chicagoland Duchy may at sometimes though claim influence as far south as Peoria, might raid as far south as Kentucky, but doubt they wil get to St Louis with regularity seeing the problem the river represents
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BingoBoingo: I imagine it as a sort of Byzantium, well placed, but not really loved by anyone.
BingoBoingo: It might be just as likely Chicago exists as a Vassal state of Archer Daniel Midland of Western Illinois in one of the the greatest reversals on the bezzel order.
BingoBoingo: Western Illinois came closer to seceeding from Illinois than SOuthern Illinois ever did.
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mircea_popescu: decimation : re the "russia supporting independent mexico" thing : this has already ahppened. napoleon iii fromed a mexican monarchy, under maximillian. the us refused to recognise.
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mircea_popescu: so explain again and in full detail what the bastardization consists of ?
danielpbarron: 56882 here, hasn't stopped since block 0 on this run
mircea_popescu: i'd rather have an oral specification to go with the codical specification.
mircea_popescu: what, you want eulora to take a year between releases too ?!
mircea_popescu: "I'm a Slate staff writer. I've reported on sex, Hollywood, teenagers, media, technology, and the ladies for places like WIRED, ESPN The Magazine, NYMag. com"
mircea_popescu: aka "i'm one of about two hundred or so otherwise unemployable idiots my age that have made a confederacy and are trying to monopolize uninteresting but cheap media writing"
mircea_popescu: this is, as you'd expect, a very convenient western misrepresentation.
mircea_popescu: "highly educated women are deeply respected and in high demand. highly offensive idiots who lay claim to an "education"they do not have but aspire to nevertheless "demonstrate" through circle jerking are despised and actively discouraged"
mircea_popescu: a distinction i see no problem with. amanda hess in chains is not a women's issue, it's a stupid women's issue.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, re maximillian : he hung of his own hand, basically. man lands in mexico at the invitation of the elite, sees the conditions of the poor and figures "hey, this shocking difference i perceive from the situation in europe is in no sense and to no degree a warning to me! the right thing to do is obviously ignoring reality and behaving according to imagination!!!"
mircea_popescu: few years later, with the elite firmly pissed off and the liberals bolstered by the "hey, even the german emperor agrees with our ideas", he got what libertards generally get.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: "why?" << this thing where you embrace extend and run into the wall a reasonable idea is for teh dogs.
mircea_popescu: ri really shouldhave all the magic numbers in a config file.
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: have some lulz << lol check out all the disinterested forum experts. ognasty, "Pool your bitcoins with others. Vote on solutions using the Bitcoin blockchain. " all sorts of laudable.
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assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:51:38; asciilifeform: 'golang' is in the same league as apple's 'darwin' unix kernel. a whole zoological kingdom of pseudo-open, where, yes, theoretically you can read source, but it is not -for you-
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:52:18; asciilifeform: and if interests of vendor conflict with yours in any way, the conflict will be subtly and perfidiously resolved in favour of vendor
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:52:45; asciilifeform: the solution to turdlangs is, to crib from clinton era anti-dope slogan, 'be smart - don't start'