tmsr - Log 2016-10-21

asciilifeform: eh i did not even say it would be necessarily worthwhile

asciilifeform: just that it would be something other than the usual snore

Framedragger: trinque: i know i know. (i'm young to answer q)

mircea_popescu: the most symptomatic point being that they absolutely fucking never have any kind of reason to dislike anything. ever saw an altcoin head meaningfully discuss the drawbacks in alternatives ?

mircea_popescu: Framedragger what are you, like 26 ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: they're on doge team or ripple team like other people support coventry or wolverhampton. it's to their dumb head immoral to switch teams because the others got better players. ON THE CONTRARY.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-20#1557355 << yes. i very much claim that type for eulora. it's been done, turns out you just dunno where to look :) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-20 22:51 asciilifeform: possibly this is analogous to eulora's 'copper' ?

asciilifeform: it relies on a server, neh ?

mircea_popescu: less so than eg ethereum.

asciilifeform: well eulora afaik never claimed p2ptronicity

asciilifeform: it is honest.

mircea_popescu: aha.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-20#1557358 << kinda what makes bothering with p2p in this particular subspace pointless. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-20 22:53 asciilifeform: as i see it , this is not satisfactorily solvable, the author cannot prove that he did not retain a crib sheet to the keyz.

asciilifeform: aaand yet the alts where author simply pocketed the monetarybase and distributed by hand from own pocket - were laughed off.

asciilifeform: (e.g., urbit!)

mircea_popescu: you mean generally or here ? iirc urbit was eagerly followed for 3-4 weeks here, until it became obvious the author is technically inept and the following he has entirely disinterested in doing any useful work.

mircea_popescu: then the mocking begun.

asciilifeform: was interesting, when it was interesting, ~in spite of~, not because, of the premine.

mircea_popescu: which ties right into the above discussion of altcoin heads (they can't meaningfully criticize means they can't think) and more generally in the difference between republican forum and imperial forum (eg, reddit). the latter exists specifically so no work is done.

asciilifeform: (and was not merely premined, but the 'btcphobic' mr mold had 'coins', of which there are only 256, die ! after 9 moves.)

mircea_popescu: heh. ~equal to us level inflation.

mircea_popescu: incidentally - linux, also premined.

asciilifeform: elaborate?

mircea_popescu: the objection never was as far as i can discern that linus did it (unless of course one is to give voice to the "feminist" cows), but that he seems to have given the keys away

asciilifeform: is 'linux' here the proggy, or the microphone+podium ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "premined" generalized here to mean, "you can do any work you want - unless recognized by authority it dun exist".

mircea_popescu: as opposed to you know, bitcoin, where if you do the hash you get the coin, anyone else be damned.

asciilifeform: well, 'do the hash' + 'not get orphaned'

mircea_popescu: yes, there's no such thing as perfect bitcoin wrt work functions.

asciilifeform: the orbit of my personal inner altcrackpot is largely around 'mining is a bug'.

mircea_popescu: i'm unconvinced.

asciilifeform: there are, theoretically, schemes for mineless coin that do not resolve to any obviously idiotic or centralized thing.

asciilifeform: hey if i were 'convinced' - would say.

mircea_popescu: unless they "tattoo" so to speak, ie, burn perfectly fine fat, they can't work.

mircea_popescu: teh gods demand their sacrifice.

asciilifeform: it much depends on what is 'work'.

mircea_popescu: heat waste, fo sho.

mircea_popescu: same meaning here as in law 2.

asciilifeform: it also depends on what is a 'coin' fundamentally.

asciilifeform: recall the multiverse 'coin' ?

mircea_popescu: a coin is a quanta, really. apparently for some reason quantization is mandatory.

asciilifeform: well not only a quanta

asciilifeform: but, in the customary picture, something scarce.

mircea_popescu: no coin is scarce.

asciilifeform: scarce in the 'nobody is obviously wielding an infinite hose of it' sense.

mircea_popescu: the fact that the world existed before all of them should be sufficient proof.

mircea_popescu: it's scarce like time is scarce - you can't make more, just squander what you got.

mircea_popescu: but there's naught more abundant in nature than time.

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mine is 'difficulty is nonsensical'

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why ?

mircea_popescu: difficulty is a proxy for "are we there yet ?" ; once half the energy available is burned to mine, we're there yet. the difficulty equiv of this can be calculated.

ben_vulpes: because not tied to a finite amount.

ben_vulpes: (since we're talking crackpot alts)

mircea_popescu: of course it's tied ?

ben_vulpes: totally different thing.

ben_vulpes: the infinite to bitcoin's finite, if you will. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: you'll have to go into proper detail i guess.

ben_vulpes: crackpot alt orbit may not even be stable!

asciilifeform: 'mining is a bug' because, as mircea_popescu even appeared to agree earlier, it is promisetronic.

asciilifeform: accomplishes ~same result as author of coin personally handing out the monetary base, but messier and more expensively.

mircea_popescu: anyway, my interest in alts is like my interest in orc-language "academia" and random gaggles of nubile sluts.

mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe a person may be found, somehow, somewhere, in all this muck.

asciilifeform: nah. afaik it is a dead field.

asciilifeform: like the rest of crypto.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's the other angle of it though. mining forces you to burn half your milk.

trinque: how the hell is it the same result?!

trinque: it costs something

mircea_popescu: ^

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is moronic if there is any way to avoid it.

mircea_popescu: the bug is the feature.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope, it's not. it's fundamental.

mircea_popescu: happiness gotta hurt.

trinque: how the fuck, economics does not work that way

trinque: it's a *coin*

asciilifeform: trinque: see thread. mining is not provably costing all of the participants anything.

asciilifeform: you - yes, me - yes ; fella with the sha2 pill - ~0.

trinque: yes and I can factor rsa in my head

trinque: where is the evidence

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that part is the most dubious, but hey.

asciilifeform: trinque: i suspect that our null hypotheses differ.

mircea_popescu: besides, at some point we'll get rid of sha2 in trb, and then we'll know.

asciilifeform: that'll simply reset the problem.

asciilifeform: with new protagonist.

asciilifeform: which is why nobody's pulled it off yet.

mircea_popescu: kinda why it's not an imperative yet, or any hurry.

trinque: I would have the greatest self control on earth if I found more gold tomorrow than had ever been mined and this did not soon become apparent to everyone.

trinque: and it would have the same effect

trinque: look how bitcoin rips through USG bureaucracies, but this sha2 pill yet hides?

mircea_popescu: a lot can stay hidden.

asciilifeform: no alt stands a remote change against 'grandfather's pistol' unless the author also discovers and demonstrates a 'proof of nonchiseling' .

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unless something starts burning, at any rate.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: trinque: 'joseki' and 'shillelagh' are also hidden.

trinque: mircea_popescu: while it stays hidden how does it affect the value of gold?

asciilifeform: trinque: ditto the amd signing key from last month's thread.

mircea_popescu: subjective value, as judged by you ? it doesn't. objective value, as in, the ship of state is being sailed by idiots into the shoals ? 100%.

trinque: the claim was that infinite gold/coin/etc shows itself through inflation

asciilifeform: only if dumped

mircea_popescu: it creates a disparity of power between two identified groups that is not backed by ontological superiority.

asciilifeform: 'there are no alchemists because an alchemist could not POSSIBLY keep it in his pants' is no argument.

trinque: nor is "usg shall surely be able to increase interest rates to mop up the money it printed"

mircea_popescu: if men are better and women worship men, the situation is stable and prosperous. if men are better but women discover they can fuck it all up by gathering together and engaging in the wail (term of art), then society collapses

mircea_popescu: this was the mechanism fucking babylon fell by, and in the intervening 5k years it worked like a charm every single time.

trinque: the free heat shall leak

mircea_popescu: the rate is controllable by the owner though.

trinque: hm

mircea_popescu: see, this is how the cunt that runs on perl works. "oh, dick moving inside is detectable".

trinque: then no-mining is possible with a philospher king

mircea_popescu: yes, it is. and if it moves at a slow enough pace you'll enjoy it.

trinque: asciilifeform: ftr the argument wasn't about whether kept in pants; it was that if kept in pants, might as well not exist

trinque: but I see that either construction ignores fucking privately

mircea_popescu: yeah, it wouldn't be kept in pants THAT well is the problem. your argument is solid in principle, but there's a crack in it.

thestringpuller: i can see your bulge!

asciilifeform: trinque: idea is that a unit of hashicity might cost you, i, and 1,000,001 others -- H, but might cost 'satoshi' 1/1,000,001H.

asciilifeform: can be kept in pants arbitrarily well.

asciilifeform: like any other alchemy.

asciilifeform: esp. if it is one man's secret.

mircea_popescu: anyway, if mining is a bug, then the philosopher king is a backdoor. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: experience shows it's perfectly fine to have a philosopher king, however utterly suicidal to have a philosopher king's throne. bolt is fine, nut will kill you. ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'monetary base handed out by hand' equates to an evaporating throne

mircea_popescu: in principle at least yes

asciilifeform: so potentially works.

mircea_popescu: it's certainly how eg medieval japan coin worked out.

asciilifeform: any imperial coin, really.

mircea_popescu: no i mean, "medieval japan" AS a coin. which it was.

mircea_popescu: everything's a coin.

asciilifeform: ah as in europe.

mircea_popescu: yeah.

mircea_popescu: you got however much worth of koku production. well there yo ugo.

mircea_popescu: much like the medieval eu "here's three weirs and a village fulla sluts. you're a knight now."

trinque: I kinda see how wot relationships could confer certain amount of newly "mined" coin, like ^

asciilifeform: trinque: see the 'multiverse gossipcoin' old thread

asciilifeform: was about, largely, this.

mircea_popescu: trinque the whole reason wot and forum are at the basis of republic is this orthogonality which reinforces the bit-coin

trinque pulls up to reread

mircea_popescu: which is how we prevailed historically, against all the other groups

mircea_popescu: who were backed, at best, by orthogonal idiocy.

trinque: best damned human sort function, seems like.

thestringpuller: oh man. cryptofeudalism here we come.

asciilifeform: trinque: it was a crackpot algo which i suggested, ages ago, where there is no objective coin, but instead, e.g., mircea_popescu can mint any amount (with the total base being public) of mircea_popescucoin, which in turn trinque accepts for certain rate of trinquecoin, etc, etc., integrated with wot

asciilifeform: sorta how fiatola works already at the sovereign level.

asciilifeform: but less promisetronic (public, e.g., base.)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is more or less ripple.

asciilifeform: iirc ripple was promisetronic though.

asciilifeform: i.e. a cynical scam.

mircea_popescu: i did not like ripple, as i don't like this, because it requires a level of financial acumen that is not available in the general population

mircea_popescu: this would be the ultimate in assembly line phding

asciilifeform: hey i never learned to fly a jet fighter;

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, sure, it was a cancer on top of an avorton. but this doesn't change the fact that even if you cleaned up the tumor, you'd have an aborted fetus.

asciilifeform: doesn't mean that jet fighters are useless.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's worse than that : it's too late for you to learn now.

asciilifeform: what is an ace pilot if not 'assemvly line phd'.

asciilifeform: naturally.

asciilifeform: *assembly

mircea_popescu: i do not wish to construct systems that much need, let alone require, or depend on, ace pilots.

asciilifeform: it is too late for grown men to learn damn near anything

asciilifeform: and, eh, 'v', or trb, or various other items contemplated here, fall much closer to the jet than to the tv set.

mircea_popescu: so they do. but not THAT far.

mircea_popescu: they're still things grown man could learn,

mircea_popescu: notwithstanding all the insistence grown man is usually seen putting in avoiding it

asciilifeform: 'general population' is barely qualified to operate a public shitter.

mircea_popescu: this is mostly because of deliberate stupidification - by clerics in the east, by "educators" ie clerics in the west.

mircea_popescu: general population is capable, as practically verified by my whip holding hand, to do all sorts of wholesome things.

asciilifeform: how did it go, 'horse that can count to five is a remarkable horse, but not a remarkable mathematician'

mircea_popescu: aha

mircea_popescu: there is some of that, of course.

asciilifeform: to briefly go up the stack, 'gossipcoin' is not useless by virtue of being a mach10 jet. i cannot fly it. but it is conceivable that mircea_popescu could. and/or, folks not even yet born, could.

mircea_popescu: no, the problem is that the only way to find out "couldn't" is by their crashing it, and the whole construction has a low crash tolerance.

mircea_popescu: think of "race cars on space station".

asciilifeform: what would it even mean for a multiversal per-operator altcoin to 'crash' ?

asciilifeform: you can have a car crash.

asciilifeform: but ~cars~ cannot crash.

asciilifeform: as a class.

mircea_popescu: !~lemon market

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "lemon" is not a valid command.

mircea_popescu: !#s lemon market

a111: 12 results for "lemon market", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lemon%20market

asciilifeform: eh we already have one of those.

mircea_popescu: and yes, cars can and do crash all the time

trinque: maybe that gossipcoin, but what of the one where coins exist, are minted according to position in the wot-graph?

mircea_popescu: hence symbolics.

asciilifeform: trinque: consider elaborating

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was expecting you to mention... dirigibles

mircea_popescu: but no, think : the vertical monitor.

mircea_popescu: "cars" have crashed and burned more times than it's worth mentioning

mircea_popescu: where is ac power ? where is etc etc

trinque: a gentleman's weight according to his ratings in the wot determine the rate at which coin mints to his key

mircea_popescu: idiots were hoping bitcoin will go same way. who knows, it just might've.

mircea_popescu: trinque you're thinking of a wot that doesn't exist.

trinque: how so?

mircea_popescu: it's not a centralized thing, you're trying to build a string out of a vector.

asciilifeform: trinque: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it << oblig.

asciilifeform: 'The Web of Trust is not, as the name would seem to imply, an oilfield in which trust plays the role of oil, and you deploy some apparatuses and other devices to extract the trust therewith.'

mircea_popescu: wrong datatype, "wot" may not be used as "basis for central behaviour"

trinque: doesn't have to be centralized.

trinque: there's no center in what I described

mircea_popescu: not in the sense of "unethical to do so", but in the sense of practically impossible.

mircea_popescu: then how does coin work ?

mircea_popescu: understand, a coin must be centralized to exist.

mircea_popescu: because it works with a market, which is the definition of centralization, "all good things flow to the city [to participate in the marketplace]"

asciilifeform: unless it is a 'gossiptronic coin', as discussed earlier, but the applicability of the name 'coin' is then questionable

mircea_popescu: it is improper to call that a coin

asciilifeform: i'd call it an 'ob'

asciilifeform: to steal erik frank russel's name.

mircea_popescu: you could call it a semen, seeing how it's pretty much exactly "how much cock i'd suck"

mircea_popescu: a problem female teenagers have struggled with for eons, because... well... expecting wrong data type.

asciilifeform: (1950s writer, had space folk using something quite like subj)

asciilifeform: a certain qty of 'ob' from, e.g., brothel, could indeed refer to a certain number of litres of spooje swallowed, etc.

mircea_popescu: no no it's a much finer point

mircea_popescu: it'd be literally a measure of social intercourse ☟︎

trinque: dunno if I like being named governor of brittania being a matter of spooge guzzling.

mircea_popescu: how do you suppose eleanor got aquitanie ?

mircea_popescu: anyway. i was speaking metaphorically ok!

trinque: lol

trinque: anyhow it's an interesting idea, but I figure wild redefinitions of money run the risk of angering the gods.

mircea_popescu: well, how'd one go ?

mircea_popescu: http://www.joeydevilla.com/2016/10/18/hey-america-youre-great/ << in other lulz.

trinque: seems relationship is the conduit over which money flows; deciding one day that arteries shall be blood because after all they're so related...

trinque: moving to Tampa indeed

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-06#1423970 << thread. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-03-06 15:01 asciilifeform: or we can lift from a mircea_popescu article, 'Another aspect is that new blocks are mined by one group (miners) but have to be stored in perpetuity by another group (nodes). This creates a situation where X (users) pay Y (miners) to inconvenience Z (nodes), which is unsustainable not to mention sheer nonsense.'

asciilifeform: (possibly there were others, but afaik this was the canonical.)

mircea_popescu: this part of mining is a bug, except it is evidently no part of mining

asciilifeform: mining is a solution to specific set of problems. just like pressurizing your house with sarin and walking around in a teflon suit is one possible answer to rats and mice.

asciilifeform: (tru story! ru chemistry students would occasionaly make, e.g., sarin, as a very effective answer to... rats, mice, whatever else infested the cellar..)

mircea_popescu: yes, but the problem mining solves is very strictly "make it impossible for hillary to pretend she matters"

asciilifeform: potentially this mouse is solvable without sarin.

mircea_popescu: or whatever other equivalent, that dumb bitch who was born a dude and tried to run off with coreboot

asciilifeform: and ditto.

asciilifeform: (in the end you get sarin-resistant mice. this is not even a physical impossibility, iirc mongoose needed an elephant's dose to fall down)

asciilifeform: quite likely the current crop of miners is already this.

mircea_popescu: mongoose is specifically toxin resistant though. it's what it does for a living

mircea_popescu: like africans in africa.

asciilifeform: he has slightly nonstandard ACHE and number of other ferments.

mircea_popescu: aha

asciilifeform: (we had mongoose ache crystallographied 1 floor down from my chair, at one point, can't recall precisely why, it had already been done elsewhere. possibly it was in-complex)

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, jamelle bouie (slate "chief political correspondent", if you didn't give a shit before) along with everyone else is damned pissed at trump. "The act of conceding, in other words, is vital to the functioning of democracy. It confers legitimacy on the winner of an election, giving him or her a chance to govern. To refuse to concede, to deny that legitimacy, is to undermine our democratic foundations."

mircea_popescu: hurr.

mircea_popescu: why the fuck would ANYONE confer legitimacy on the usg ffs.

mod6: stockholm syndrome

mircea_popescu: either that or all the checks it keeps writing.

mod6: indeed, both.

trinque: guy later said, "I'll respect the results if I win"

mircea_popescu: was pretty lulzy.

mircea_popescu: oh how he toys with America's heart ; and how that slutty heart does throb for still more toyings.

mircea_popescu is pretty happy at all this "oh noes, trump won't promise to admit defeat if he loses", because all signals point to a complete rehash of the brexit thing, whereby clinton is credited with ~50% of popular vote and 55% of electoral colege, but realises 35% of popular vote and 30% of electoral college.

mircea_popescu: and THEN the libertards WILL STILL WHINE about "election was stolen"

mircea_popescu: because when they do it, it's all good. just when others do it it's "an attack on our democracy"

mircea_popescu: our being the keyword there, not democracy as the naive reader may imagine

trinque: hell, when the hairdo's justice department gets done with them, who'll be left to run their machine? I guess after that it's bernie 2.0

trinque: people talk about him killing the republican party but if anything that's rumbling about the clinton foundation is true, and he wins, it's going to kill both

mircea_popescu: i don't see he has any way to extricate himself from sending ~half the dem party machine to jail

mircea_popescu: of course, this already happened once to it, back when it was centered on tammany hall, and it survived.

mircea_popescu: the history thereof is interesting - dems were actually a pretty respectable party back when democratic meant something ; then the progressive cripple showed up and smashed it.

asciilifeform: tammany -- respectable??!

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> everything's a coin. << AHA, the Qntra "altcoin" tag

ben_vulpes: https://open_nsfw.gitlab.io/

asciilifeform falls down.

ben_vulpes: best lolz i found on the web all day.

asciilifeform: at last, the ancient dream. pornoshannonizer.

ben_vulpes: haha aha

asciilifeform: idea, incidentally, is ancient.

asciilifeform: i 'evolved' similar 'martians' in an old msdos proggy, iirc called 'imogene'.

asciilifeform: unfortunately none of the output - survived.

asciilifeform: (or, fortunately..)

asciilifeform: evolved, incidentally, starting from white noise.

asciilifeform: pure 'genetic algo'. pick the 'more fun', times 1,001...

ben_vulpes: there was a screensaver that did this as well

phf: asciilifeform: hey you mind greping for the first log entry, "just looked at chart... shit... a couple hours can be an eternity in bitcoin land" and see what time you have?

asciilifeform: phf: Apr 25 18:01:31

phf: is that 23:01:31 in utc?

asciilifeform: nein

asciilifeform: est.

trinque: https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12659 << discussion of gaddafi's plans for gold-backed african currency

trinque: interesting alt-future that'd be

asciilifeform: ooold noose.

trinque: reminds me of a documentary I watched recently on chicago. a young black gang member says more or less "they killed all the gang leaders, and then everything collapsed"

asciilifeform: fella got usg bayonet up his starfish for a reason.

trinque: killed/locked-up

trinque: aha

trinque: same mistake every single time. they have imperial aspirations, yet they apparently have no idea how to do this? you don't destroy the whole power structure in a place; you *take* it

asciilifeform: they gotta impose the star topology.

trinque: I hear there are reasons, and it's because of them.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly.

mircea_popescu: heh the ai-nsfw crap is almost amusing.

mircea_popescu: trinque africa needs a currency like hillary needs anal lube.

mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, if your name was broderick and you had a daughter, how could you not name her limerick.

mircea_popescu: (bonus track : A randy marsupial named Reeves spent a while between a cocksucker's knees. When she asked him for money he said "Listen honey... a koala eats bushes and leaves.")

BingoBoingo: !~b 3

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: "b" is not a valid command.

mircea_popescu: wait, i got more.

mircea_popescu: Said Miguel to the gringo, "Senor, eef I open thees here closet door an' dee lady eenside ees my leetle lost bride then I theenk I mus' leek'er some more."

shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rseq3/?raw=true <<< before my internet dies again

jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/JamfF << monumental nsalulz

asciilifeform: 'The Defendant has also communicated online with others in languages other than English, including in Russian, and in June 2016 downloaded information regarding the Russian language as well as other foreign languages.' << mega-crime

asciilifeform: didjaknow.

asciilifeform: 'There is evidence that he has remote data storage accounts and has engaged in encrypted communications. The Defendant also had encrypted communication and cloud storage apps installed on his mobile device.' << mega-lel.

asciilifeform: funny how they put the 'cloud storage' in the bail denial affidavit, but have not yet even bothered to parallelconstruct some reason ~other than it~ for how the d00d could have been caught. ☟︎

asciilifeform: (for folks who have not heard of this show trial - harold martin worked at nsa-tao and was arrested for, supposedly, taking the contents home by the crate.) ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'In a review of the digital information seized from the Defendant, the government found a letter, apparently created in 2007, which was addressed to government employees with whom he worked, and signed “Hal.” In the letter, the Defendant refers to his co-workers as “clowns” and criticizes the government’s digital security measures: Well, for one thing, I’ve seen pretty much all your tech secrets wrt [sic] regard to compus

asciilifeform: ec [computer security]. Thanks. You made me a much better infosec [information security] practitioner. In exchange, well, I gave you my time, and you failed to allow me to help you... You are missing most of the basics in security practice, while thinking you are the best. It’s the bread and butter stuff that will trip you up. Trust me on this one. Seen it.... Dudes/Dudettes, I can’t make this any plainer... Listen up . . . ‘Th

asciilifeform: ey’ are inside the perimeter. . . I’ll leave you with this: if you don’t get obnoxious, obvious, and detrimental to my future, then I will not bring you ‘into the light’, as it were. If you do, well, remember that you did it to yourselves. The antipathy demonstrated in this letter raises grave concerns about the Defendant’s intentions and potential actions should he be released.'

BingoBoingo: tyvm alf for the find

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/10/prosecutors-forget-to-parallel-construct-that-harold-t-martins-mistake-was-trusting-cloud-storage-providers-in-bail-denial-affidavit/ << Qntra - Prosecutors Forget To Parallel Construct That Harold T. Martin's Mistake Was Trusting Cloud Storage Providers In Bail Denial Affidavit

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty lulzy.

mircea_popescu: also quite accurate.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mistake-was -> mistake-wasn't ?

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He used cloud storage apps so his mistake was trusting them? Even if he was dumping encrypted blobs.

asciilifeform: well yes

asciilifeform: but 'parallel construct' means the creation of some smoke screen

asciilifeform: e.g., 'he blabbed to his mother' or the like.

mircea_popescu: they evidently don't know what's in [at least some] of them. however they do know who he is. metadata.

asciilifeform: which afaik the prosecutor has not yet spewed forth.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they've got real sloppy with it, partly because nobody buys it anyway, partly because bureaucrats are deeply uncreative (in this case, practically : affraid of "revealing" shit through the pc. as if they actually had something left to reveal.)

asciilifeform: so the sentence would go 'prosecutors forget to parallel construct that ... martin's mistake wasn't ... cloud'

BingoBoingo: AH: "Prosecutors Forget To Parallel Construct Away That Harold T. Martin's Mistake Was Trusting Cloud Storage Providers In Bail Denial Affidavit" -- New TItle

asciilifeform: aha, or this.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun get why they even mentioned 'cloud', it gave the card trick away in, srsly, 30 seconds of my reading

asciilifeform: gotta be a deliberate taunt to the audience.

mircea_popescu: because bread and butter stuff gets them ?

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/10/dyn-dns-suffers-packet-inflation-many-other-services-affected/ << Qntra - Dyn DNS Suffers Packet Inflation, Many Other "Services" Affected

mircea_popescu: stupidity is the occam selection.

asciilifeform: the defense's affidavit (included) was also lulzy, evidently they had 1-3 of these per year, none were publicized. this time they needed a public scapegoat, so.

mircea_popescu: myeah.

asciilifeform: re: 'cloud', imho the hypothesis that ~this was~ the parallelconstruction, cannot be dismissed.

asciilifeform: possibly d00d was not an idiot, and never touched 'clouds.'

asciilifeform: they created - for him.

asciilifeform: (whereas he was caught in some other way, e.g. by a politruk.)

mircea_popescu: if they did or if they didn't, the "i had nothing to do with it" defense is ironclad as far as that goes.

asciilifeform: dunno that there is a defense. the penal code article he was arrested under is a 'strict liability'.

asciilifeform: i.e. 'did the rape? do the ape'

mircea_popescu: strict liability for what ?

asciilifeform: found with the stash

mircea_popescu: "i never saw this before"

asciilifeform: the only defense, afaik, that could be attempted, was 'they planted it'

asciilifeform: aha.

mircea_popescu: "so how come it's there ?" "you planted it" no we didn't" "mkay"

asciilifeform: and it would appear that his wife has already turned rat.

mircea_popescu: "it's your house" "it's not legal for me to shoot intruders, so no, it's your house"

asciilifeform: so he's through.

mircea_popescu: hey, marriage is for suckers. ☟︎

asciilifeform: eh if he had no wife, it'd be some other rat.

mircea_popescu: how ? "i never saw her before."

asciilifeform: lel, brilliant, it's a marvel that anybody ever gets imprisoned, if it were so easy..

mircea_popescu: these are different matters.

mircea_popescu: the defense is still ironclad. that they stick him in jail anyway is entirely their problem.

asciilifeform: i suspect that the folks for whom 'the defense is ironclad' they simply nailgun.

asciilifeform: and we never hear of it.

mircea_popescu: maybe.

asciilifeform: 'When confronted with specific marked documents he had stolen, only then did the Defendant begin to admit that: (1) he had taken documents and digital files that he knew were classified from his work assignment to his residence and vehicle, and (2) he knew such actions were unauthorized and wrong. He also admitted that he had committed these crimes regularly over many years.'

asciilifeform: confessed, supposedly.

mircea_popescu: heh

asciilifeform: btw i doubt that it would take otto skorzeny and his merry men, to break martin out of the clink. if he were 'valuable', as prosecutor alleges, he would already be in moscow.

mircea_popescu: usians are weird about "The country"

asciilifeform: hm?

mircea_popescu: he prolly didn't want to leave

asciilifeform: expected to hide among the grizzlies in the forest, or wat.

mircea_popescu: no, just, idiot born in the us, doesn't comprehend how utterly irrelevant it is. because "THE COUNTRY"

asciilifeform: i'd naively picture that if d00d made up his mind to plunder the crown jewels, he would have an escape plan (even if nonsensical, like, e.g., carl force's) in his head. but no.

mircea_popescu: can't leave "\the country"

trinque: could've been entirely power fantasy; he's outsmarted "teh best (tm)" after all

asciilifeform: it isn't even as if he would have to leave penniless and beg on streets.

trinque: piles of docs could've been his closet full of women's shoes/underwear/pinky-toes too

asciilifeform: trinque: what kind of 'power fantasy' ends with starving incommunicado in fbi dungeon ?

mircea_popescu: most ?

mircea_popescu: it's a fantasy after all.

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/if-a-family-by-the-name-broderick-had-a-son-an-they-named-him-roderick-could-he-in-turn-without-concern-eschew-naming-his-daughter-limerick/ << Trilema - If a family by the name Broderick had a son an' they named him Roderick could he in turn, without concern, eschew naming his daughter Limerick ?

mircea_popescu: ^ let me know which you like best :D

BingoBoingo: "To fight the evil patriarchy a young hussy barebacked a darky. The result of their sins were quadruplets, not twins : one black, one white and two khaki." << roflmao

trinque: ahahahahaha!

trinque: There was a young sailor from Brighton who once told his girl "You're a tight one." She replied, "`Pon my soul, you're in the wrong hole. There's plenty of room in the right one." << also gold

mircea_popescu is playing ella fitzgerald an' chillin

shinohai: I rather like `A misfortunate fellow named Rex had a vanishingly small sex. Once charged with exposure he replied with composure "De minimus non curat lex." `

shinohai: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12759653 <<< rofl

danielpbarron: !~bible matthew 19:10-11 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1557799 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 15:22 mircea_popescu: hey, marriage is for suckers.

jhvh1: danielpbarron: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.

danielpbarron: !~bible matthew 19:10-11

jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Matthew 19:10 :: His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Matthew 19:11 :: But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

asciilifeform: SSH: Server;Ltype: Authname;Remote: 85.25.118.68-53725;Name: coin [preauth]

asciilifeform: ^ lel

asciilifeform: ^ on a box with nonstandard ports, at that.

asciilifeform: somewhere, someone, is a hydrocephalus, has user 'coin',...?

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/10/nitrocellulose-recategorized-as-high-explosive-in-us-through-quiet-physics-defying-ruling/ << Qntra - Nitrocellulose Recategorized As High Explosive In US Through Quiet Physics Defying Ruling

BingoBoingo: ^ 4alf

asciilifeform: SSH: Server;Ltype: Authname;Remote: 85.25.118.68-48757;Name: dashcoin [preauth]

asciilifeform: ...

asciilifeform: SSH: Server;Ltype: Authname;Remote: 85.25.118.68-51510;Name: bitcoin [preauth] .

BingoBoingo: lololololol

shinohai: dash = anonymity

asciilifeform: oh, and, apparently lastly,

asciilifeform: 'eth' .

ben_vulpes: you install mamp on one macbook and the whole internet goes down

ben_vulpes: who knew things were this bad

shinohai: dash = anonymity

trinque: every piece of shit on the web was apparently using dyn?

trinque: what is this nonsense

trinque: AND NOBODY PUT A SECOND SET OF SERVERS IN EVEN?

trinque: to say nothing of being a champ and running your own DNS

asciilifeform: in other noose, who remembers http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-13#1131177 ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2015-05-13 22:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/freedom-to-tinker-derp.png

asciilifeform: well, derp has archive.is blocked

asciilifeform: (we really need a pill against this nonsense)

asciilifeform: and, https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2016/10/21/bitcoin-is-unstable-without-the-block-reward << the loltron in question.

asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9e3lw/?raw=true << the raw crapola.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno of a pill other than replicating the service and closing it to non-l1

mircea_popescu: incidentally ben_vulpes would you be amenable to print email received by foo@cascadianhacker.com on wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/foo@cascadianhacker.com for 24 hours ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: alternatively, you could just lift the whole https://github.com/ruffrey/mailsac package.

mircea_popescu: i contacted the author, but he's not bothered to write back, so whatevs. would be a useful service for teh republic it seems to me.

asciilifeform: replicate - yes; not sure what l1ing it would do

asciilifeform: (other than raise the friction to the point where ~nobody can ~ever be arsed to use it)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i should care what people i don't know wish to preserve ? as it happens, i don't.

asciilifeform: not 'people i don't know

asciilifeform: '

mircea_popescu: well then let them l themselves.

mircea_popescu: and in other news nobody gives a shit about : the argentine govt announced an "amnesty" whereby idiots with cash in strongboxes/matresses etc can "blanquear" it, by depositing it in a bank and paying 11% in tax ("to begin with"). same applies to foreign holdings.

mircea_popescu: this generous measure of voluntary self-rape "ends" on 31st, after being extended a coupla times. meanwhile the govt has been piling on debt at about 2x the rate of the kirscheristas.

mircea_popescu: seeing how the other, with expatriated goods, ends in march, i would expect the reasonable time for argentina to faceplant in the mud would be about april.

mircea_popescu: if anyone's looking to buy cheap farmer's [who thinks himself a gentleman] daughters / farms / etc, that's your horizon.

asciilifeform: what's the excuse for the vacuum job, devaluation a la ruble ?

mircea_popescu: the real estate market is holding by a thread. to understand each other : in the same country where the bumpkins imagine real estate goes by 1000-1500 usd per sq meter, they have SERIOUS problems over xmas bonus worth 2000 pesos (~120 dollars), to the point it's a major topic of televised debates.

mircea_popescu: sales are down to nothing, the people are utterly desperate for food and other basics. girls still wanna marry, this year like all others. etc.

mircea_popescu: the ~only hope to maintain the pretense is by putting a lot of pressure on the monetary supply. so... they will.

mircea_popescu: not like the average "middle class" (in his mind only) argentine has any other resources besides renting out an apartment and expecting govt payola for his university "education". neither of which look too good at the moment.

asciilifeform: who are the renters?

mircea_popescu: ~everyone. this is the profile of middle class argentinian family : unemployed man que es letrado (=with a law degree, never practiced) + homemaker and their teenaged 2.2 kids, living off a) the man's income from governmental sinecures + the woman's income from her parents' appointed dowry in the shape of real estate. this is it.

mircea_popescu: they have ~500k units privately held by ~3mn owners in bizarro clan arrangements, and virtually no commercial rental market to speak of.

asciilifeform: sooo... they rent apt with... the income from their inherited apt ..?

asciilifeform: wai.

mircea_popescu: no, they own one and rent another.

asciilifeform: well yes

asciilifeform: but why.

mircea_popescu: because they're about as bright as earthworms ?

mircea_popescu: not nearly as energy efficient however.

mircea_popescu: anyway. the girls wanna marry, the boys dun wanna live with the inlaws, the old folks don't want to move to the old folks' home at 44 (you should see a) how many of those they have here, must be over 5k distinct old folks homes and b) how many of these stupid cunts are saddled with 2-3 kids aged 20something and looking for a new mate. bitch, seriousy ? go suck your babby momma's cock, you're off the market) and the girls got

mircea_popescu: the itch

mircea_popescu: it's set to blow.

mircea_popescu: oh : and soy is down in chicago, and is trending down, and the chinese announced they're dropping 20% of maize to plant more soy in mainland china.

mircea_popescu: soy being the ~only serious product of the argentine. who seriously expects to live like europeans on the basis of farming.

asciilifeform: not estrogenized yet?! lel

asciilifeform: motherfucking bioweapon-masquerading-for-food

mircea_popescu: who ? the chinese ? they're practically 1bn lesbians, are you kidding me ?

mircea_popescu: half ever-so-slightly butcher than the other half.

asciilifeform: well evidently not yet enough by their lights, if order is 'Moar Soy'

mircea_popescu has not yet encountered chinese person he didn't feel he could snap in half and eat in one sitting.

asciilifeform: these, supposedly, exist, but ~only in usa, fed on red meat..

mircea_popescu: i guess they must.

asciilifeform: iirc mats is one

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh were you asking who pays the rents ?

mircea_popescu: working class argentines, principally, who live about 6-8 to a 500sqft apt.

asciilifeform: aah

mircea_popescu: these can be workers hoping to make it in the great urban village with its supposed "vida de noche" etc. they were defrauded.

mircea_popescu: these can also be students hoping to acquire the official letters patent and become middle class

mircea_popescu: they were also defrauded.

mircea_popescu: the occasionally buyer of local cunt. these are oscillating between very amused and utterly infuriated.

mircea_popescu: anyway, it's funny, you know, "why should i dump everything and worship the gringo ?" "because his women live two to the apartment rather than eight."

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aye, i could do something like that.

ben_vulpes: MORE WHIMSICAL NAMES? YES LETS

mircea_popescu: lol.

mircea_popescu: anyway, how's things states-side ? everyone bracing down for the inevitable bombing campaigns of the russian-iranian coallition joint "peacekeeping" missions once the democratically elected president is deposed by a military junta led by an ex-wife of an ex-president ?

asciilifeform: lol if only

ben_vulpes: we're all moving to bali

asciilifeform: in reality - death by boredom.

mircea_popescu: bali might not fit all of ye

asciilifeform: mali - will fit.

mircea_popescu: that yes

asciilifeform: already fitted.

ben_vulpes: it's a very small contingent.

mircea_popescu: anyway, cnn trading places with al-jazeera to report supportively about wedding ceremonies "accidentally" bombed in santa barbara by a "stray" russian rocket would be something i'd even turn a tv set on for.

asciilifeform: check back in 20y

mircea_popescu: i dunno, things move fast in the reddit era.

asciilifeform: only imaginary, massless particles.

mats: asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/za8el/?raw=true and http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/05rky/?raw=true

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the best part about that package is that it actually sends (and delivers!) emails from arbitrary email address. i've been sending as hussein.bahamas@whitehouse.org without complaint, gmail inboxes, the works. ☟︎

ben_vulpes: dag

ben_vulpes: really don't want to install mongo.

mircea_popescu: cool factor > 9k

asciilifeform: ty mats -- where were these from

asciilifeform: ?

mircea_popescu: you mean you don't have mongo installed ?!

ben_vulpes: dog

ben_vulpes: i have been trying to avoid importing the whole internet

mircea_popescu: wtf where is the ben vulpes you know and what did you do to him

mircea_popescu: we know*

trinque grows suspicious

mircea_popescu: THERE IS AN IMPOSTEUR IN OUR MIDSTS!

ben_vulpes: listen just because people pay me to root around in cow pussy all day doesn't mean i do it in my free time ☟︎

ben_vulpes: i actually prefer humans

mircea_popescu: in a shocking development

mats: first is osx 10.11.6, second is opensuse 42.1

ben_vulpes: no it's pretty funny, take a break from inseminating cows and mircea_popescu goes all "oh hey if you have a minute"

mircea_popescu: lol

ben_vulpes: "dis heifer"

mircea_popescu: dats uddars!

ben_vulpes: trinque: what do you do for emailz?

mircea_popescu: ~anything, i hear.

mats: is there a particular os you are trying to test?

trinque: ben_vulpes: in what regard?

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hyu

asciilifeform: mats: no, or i would test it with own hands.

asciilifeform: mats: just survey.

mircea_popescu: mats coverage is good ; and these we didn't have.

ben_vulpes: trinque: smtp i think

trinque: postfix

ben_vulpes: guess i'm learning how email works this weekend

mircea_popescu: email doesn't work. next question.

trinque: lel!

ben_vulpes: inb4 'poorly'

ben_vulpes: fuck!

mircea_popescu: too slow, mongoboy!

ben_vulpes: mongoman to you

mircea_popescu: mongosir

ben_vulpes: mongomanous

ben_vulpes: living in mongnominy

mats: it took a couple hours for both of these to run

asciilifeform: mongoose..?

mircea_popescu: verrrry sorrry to tell you sir here at trilema haus we all halal. no mongo at all!

mats: meanwhile a debian and ubuntu machine is still cooking after 3 days

ben_vulpes: my gentoo shitball has only cooked up 1.1M so far ☟︎

ben_vulpes: so i dunno, you'll get it in another month?

asciilifeform: great, incidentally, pill against testability, this

mircea_popescu: i like linux because it is more better cryptosecurelly.

asciilifeform: laughably piddling bitrate

ben_vulpes: fucking gross node.js and mongo and redis

asciilifeform: go & try & get 1MB from /dev/random.

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i thought you two'd be buttbuddies when i ran into him. i'm genuinely surprised you don't already know each other.

asciilifeform: the king and the donkey might die first.

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hurtful

mircea_popescu: well look on the bright side : now that you stepped away from it we can finally joke about it.

ben_vulpes: i was never averse to joking about it before...

mircea_popescu: not the same!

phf: it was good timing switching to hand curated hosts file, because i've been informed whole of the internet is down or something

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: STRATEGIC SUPERIORITY!

pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1557575 << this is seriously intriguing framing. can't wait for trilema on the subj. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 00:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, if mining is a bug, then the philosopher king is a backdoor.

pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-20#1556992 << you're the semen-covered winrar ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-20 04:35 ben_vulpes: back up to 84 pete_dushenski

mircea_popescu: eh ?

mircea_popescu: what, this is not directly obvious ?

pete_dushenski: even the obvious benefits from fleshed out blogs. see credit cards.

mircea_popescu: mebbe, but i dun see this one coming. just look at history of previous russian empire ; first they had lenin, then they had stalin, then they had that idiot what's his name.

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/e6Ips << for expert entomologists strictly.

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the one with the mercedes. aha. or the one with the guitar bridge. either way.

pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1557946 << i thought 'cow pussy' was euphamism at first, likely for some kinda corvette-powered webdev. now not so sure. next bv will be writing manifesto from bulbless cabin a la kaczynski. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 19:25 ben_vulpes: listen just because people pay me to root around in cow pussy all day doesn't mean i do it in my free time

ben_vulpes: hm?

pete_dushenski: since we're doing entemology, this keeper's from the 'other' bitcoin news site : http://archive.is/HQM7m

pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: are you a farm hand now or aren't you ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically a textbook example of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460246 . anything more ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 17:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, to bridge this discussion with the kaiser wilhelm "disappeared" daily telegraph interview discussed last week :

mircea_popescu: other than yet another example of how utterly ridiculous yarvin looks

ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: mnope.

mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/Gth1m << "verifying identity", the fiat way.

asciilifeform: wat

asciilifeform: i thought this were a nigerian thing

mircea_popescu: it is.

pete_dushenski: those are some giant mitts

mircea_popescu: guy has transformed into an almost perfect jewish caricature, it's uncanny.

mircea_popescu: they're gonna start posting his outline in 4chan

pete_dushenski: wasn't 8chan the kkk one ?

mircea_popescu: i thought they all were.

pete_dushenski: quite possibly

asciilifeform: was good caricature in '08

asciilifeform: (watched the film ?)

mircea_popescu: which film ?

asciilifeform: mr mold 'debating' some 'professor'.

mircea_popescu: nah.

asciilifeform: was terrible, nervous ticks, whole shebang

asciilifeform: https://vimeo.com/9262193 << iirc, this.

pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1557933 << lel. tho mp@foib.org is pretty good too. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 19:23 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the best part about that package is that it actually sends (and delivers!) emails from arbitrary email address. i've been sending as hussein.bahamas@whitehouse.org without complaint, gmail inboxes, the works.

mircea_popescu can't be arsed, but seriously, how hard is at least making an effort to appear human!

asciilifeform: dunno, possibly this was even ~with~ effort.

asciilifeform: picture - without.

phf: he probably realized his position is not going to earn him any favours with the aparatchiks, so he's trying to morph himself into chomsky "what exactly ~is~ racism, khmmm mmm, seeee"

mircea_popescu: i'm starting to understand why the various philipinos were so jizzed up over those videos of mine they fished up. "oh, ALL these dorks look like dorks so we can just pretend this guy does too!"

asciilifeform: looking ridiculous is not imho a mortal sin, i also cannot claim to be great orator, or photomodel. but i never try to do these things, do not go around plastering self-portraits, or dance on stage.

mircea_popescu: phf may be above his paygrade.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a difference between "not great orator&photomodel" and uncanny fucking valley, however.

asciilifeform: phf: afaik d00d is one of thiel's court clowns, since '11 or so, and free to do mostly whatever he wants so long as it remains reasonably quiet.

asciilifeform: yudkowsky-style charity-laundry.

mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving appearance aside, his position is shockingly idiotic. on one hand he gives away the stuff that matters (yes, for god damn sure most of human population, of either sex, gender, race, ethnicity, whatever belongs in bondage. doh) in exchange for not exactly clearly what the fuck, not like rando progre attention whore is now going to be best pals with him and blow him.

mircea_popescu: "oh, yarvin said he doesn't think blacks are born slaves ?!?! OMG WHERE DOES HE LIVE I WANNA DO A LOAD OF HIS LAUNDRY!!!"

asciilifeform: in exchange, probably, for 'reasonably quiet'

mircea_popescu: stupid deal.

mircea_popescu: who wants to trade the undefined upside for a fixed payment ? fuck that, inverse insurance, really ?

phf: asciilifeform: well, like mircea_popescu said above it's not about thiel, it's about whether or not he gets to hang out with rando progre attention whores. of course it doesn't work that way and i don't know why he would want to, but i wouldn't be surprised if in his mind it does. my impression is that he's visibly trying to morph from stormfront "must read litrecha" section to a kind of "let's discuss human nature, surely we all agree"

phf: intelligentsia

asciilifeform: probably

mircea_popescu: but he doesn't have either the intellectual werewithal nor the knowledge base.

mircea_popescu: it's the worst possible move.

mircea_popescu: then again i guess humanity is principally defined by a propensity to make the worst possible move.

mircea_popescu: hence the whole "nobody could have predicted" shtick.

asciilifeform: btw stormfront on shortwave was pretty great.

mircea_popescu: last time i listened to radio i was like 15.

asciilifeform: (the talker died some years ago)

asciilifeform: https://outernet.is/tech << entirely unrelated, and lulzy, and i do dare suspect that they read the l0gz

asciilifeform: ^ arbitrary crud over satellite, but the receiver is the familiar rtl-sdr, that everyone already has.

asciilifeform: http://destevez.net/2016/10/reverse-engineering-outernet-modulation-coding-and-framing << reversed.

mircea_popescu: why do you think read logs ?

asciilifeform: iirc we suggested this very method, at one time.

mircea_popescu: ah

mircea_popescu: not terribly counterintuitive is it ?

phf: i figured out how archive.is is doing their archiving by the way, i'm taking a stab at implementing it

mircea_popescu: prompted by all this discussion, i find "More recently, Land has been a primary theorist and the namer of the Dark Enlightenment, a neoreactionary movement that opposes egalitarianism.[5] The Dark Enlightenment supplies philosophical underpinnings to the alt-right.[6]"

mircea_popescu: i had no idea ? we're not the only anti-egalitarians out there ?

mircea_popescu: guy's blog is even active, apparently.

mircea_popescu: !#s xenosystems.net

a111: 12 results for "xenosystems.net", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=xenosystems.net

mircea_popescu: bejaysus.

asciilifeform: loads of these.

asciilifeform: for years now.

asciilifeform: oooold noose.

mircea_popescu: o wait, we were actually linked at some point ?

mircea_popescu: did anyone ever invite the fellow over ?

pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/tqQBL << 'new yorker' soils pants in face of trump, tmsr, other t-words. blames nazis, obv. bit of a snore really.

mircea_popescu would muchly appreciate a crash course in dark enligthement from the very horse's mouth.

asciilifeform: iirc we tried to get the horse here

pete_dushenski: http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-144/ << wherein pete is quoted on xenosystems

mircea_popescu: a we did ?

pete_dushenski: a 'dark enlightenment' character by the name of 'alrenous' also found his way to the contravex comments for a while. bought a year-and-a-half ago now. decent enough to carry a convo but hardly limitless depth there.

mircea_popescu: phf that's pretty major. how does he do it then ?

pete_dushenski: s/bought/bout. lol.

pete_dushenski: bbias

phf: they are using Qt webkit integration, either through a hacked up version of phantomjs, or something handwritten. there's enough hooks in qt, that you can figure out what was loaded, where it got stored in local cache and where it's being used. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: hm

phf: phantomjs out of the box is almost there, except it doesn't give you locations to where page dependencies were stored in local cache. but the approach ensures that anything that can be rendered using a modern browser can also be archived

mircea_popescu: "Victorious third world struggles, so long as they have been successfully localized, do not lead to realistic post-capitalist achievements, and certainly not to post-patriarchal ones, since the conversation of the form of the nation state is itself enough to guarantee the reinsertion of a society into the system of inhibited synthesis. For as long as the dynamic of guerrilla war just leads to new men at the top . . . History

mircea_popescu: will continue to look bleak. For it is only when the pervasive historical bond between masculinity and war is broken by effective feminist violence that it will become possible to envisage the uprooting of the patriarchal endogamies that orchestrate the contemporary world order . . . But the only conceivable end of Kantianism is the end of modernity, and to reach this must foster new Amazons in our midst"

mircea_popescu: and suddenly /me is very disinterested in nick land's ideas.

mircea_popescu: http://cnqzu.com/library/Philosophy/neoreaction/Nick%20Land/%281988%29%20LAND%20--%20Kant_%20Capital_%20and%20the%20Prohibition%20of%20Incest.pdf << sauce if anyone gives a shit. in pdf because ofcourse.

ben_vulpes: https://gcaptain.com/the-feds-wont-buy-this-19-million-stealth-boat-or-let-it-be-sold-abroad << lulzy tech interdiction

ben_vulpes: clever little design

mircea_popescu: and it's not expropriation because reasons.

mircea_popescu: of the us courtly sort.

ben_vulpes: the kind where they take a thing but can't use it

ben_vulpes: stealth boat? really?

asciilifeform: eh it's old hat in the 'wetlands' racket

asciilifeform: as described by uncle al

asciilifeform: 'this land is yours but if you build anything - jail'

BingoBoingo: !~bcstats