pete_dushenski: trinque so what should the b-a foundation's bitcoind cost to download ?
trinque: pete_dushenski: it always costs *someone* *something*
pete_dushenski: right, and we're talking about the end-user here, are we not ?
trinque: we're talking about the end user's packets
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
trinque: pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax
☟︎ trinque: at-will funding doesn't mean free, necessarily
trinque: anyhow, just saying good work costs money
pete_dushenski: though that's also the result of low barriers to entry
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 00:03:52; trinque: pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax
trinque: yep, said it costs "someone something", time in this case
shinohai: I am not saying there is anything wrong with free (Debian for example). Just that if you want a different product with extended features, those cost $ to develop/
trinque: though perhaps money in time
trinque: shinohai: I'm saying someone always foots the bill
trinque: and there is no such thing as something without a cost
trinque wishes asciilifeform many cardano sales
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform as you've mentioned many a time, but in turn you're given stocks and options of some value
pete_dushenski: it seems that your lack of a meatspace broker is requiring expenses to be out-of-pocket
pete_dushenski: though i'm sure pre-paid visas can be purchased on craigslist or the like
pete_dushenski: ok, so you stick with cash and take 'pet' out for lovely restaurant dinner, fill gastank, buy best organic veggies and steaks.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'cosmic rays' did this. << beats null op heh
mircea_popescu: 50k hsbc employees worked on wall street ? gimme a break.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu ftr, not my title ! i also proposed including "the city"
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu though really, should be "50k fired from europe and americas"
mircea_popescu: if anyone asks them anything i'll be sure to send them an email.,
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire << This is tragedy actual floppy drives that haven't been run to shit or decayed on their own are increasingly rare
BingoBoingo: USia just just starting to derp about itw Wassenar implementation
mircea_popescu: moreover, "this is where you have to break the laws of your country because we don't like breaking ours"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Taking the first half of the week off from that.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, plants did poison long before we showed up, and way better anyway.
mircea_popescu: "Defence said the new rules are necessary to stop the wrong technology falling into the hands of states or groups of proliferation concern." << this is bound to collide with bitcoin in the mid term, by the way.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I thought it was to get people on the fence to return to winblows because they accidentally bought the wrong machine
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 21:38:53; ascii_field: the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the full form actually is, "vrabia malai viseaza si lenesul praznic" (and the lazy man, a saint's day feast). sorta reminiscent of your drowned boy.
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mod6: Switched over to gentoo hardened with uclibc on amazon to see if we can get a build of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and if so, hopfully get some profiling going here. This is what I'm workin with:
http://dpaste.com/0B1CXQ8.txt decimation: it's been all over the news, has attracted half the cops in new york apparently
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trinque: bahahaha, clicked "in other news link" expecting tits
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mats: im told its p good 3/4
mod6: I forget whom it might have been, maybe nubbins` who said that the openssl headers don't get copied correctly on gentoo from the openssl build dir into ourlibs/include/openssl, i can confirm.
decimation: asciilifeform: as I said, many catch a bullet in baltimore every day, nobody gives a shit
decimation: two outlaws escape prison, commit the crime of making gov't look like buffons
decimation: exactly, which in this case consists of state bureaucrats
decimation: asciilifeform: good point, also committed lese majeste
mod6: hmm, weird, getting this error now: net.cpp: In function 'void ThreadOpenConnections2(void*)': net.cpp:1357:23: error: 'INT64_MIN' was not declared in this scope int64 nBest = INT64_MIN;
mod6: anyway, I'll pick this back up tomorrow. getting closer...
danielpbarron: there are some people trying to get Bernard to speak at porcfest; not sure how that panned out
decimation: asciilifeform: probably alot of such in usg
mats: ah, the coveted 'ten point preference'
decimation: I donno, I suspect usg is losing folks in droves
mats: ah, assumed civil servant
decimation: asciilifeform: nah, too hot of a potato
decimation: congress can't be caught doing anything positive for intel these days
decimation: most of them just don't know what they are signing
decimation: asciilifeform: what good can come from a congressman looking into secret stuff?
decimation: worst case is that they learn something embarassing
trinque: we must be so goddamn tactically weak militarily at this point
trinque: the rot in our economy is surely there as well
trinque: and "intelligence" with which to make money
decimation: no doubt it's the private sector where usg showers it cash
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trinque: about in line with working at a middling software company in portland
decimation: lol it might be worth making a burner identity to read these reviews
trinque: with the abovementioned rot, I tend to anticipate the day when some US enemy of the many just turns whatever network-connected weapons we have inward.
trinque: everything the NSA and other unmentioned corruptors have done has made us utterly. weak.
trinque: and I know such systems are supposed to be disconnected from other networks, sure
trinque: like the boeing entertainment system
trinque: nobody ever connects a flash drive at the weapons installations
trinque: we're making new weapons-carrying machines all the time
trinque: maybe they're safer than I think
trinque: I wouldn't mind that being the case.
decimation: heh "Cons: The management. The lack of parking. The decrepit facilities. The location. The political fallout from recent events."
trinque: thank some god or another for that, then
decimation: "cons: Process and management inhibit mission. Pay does not match market (as low as 60% of what you can get as a contractor)."
☟︎ trinque: asciilifeform: still the thing must leak at the level of operational communications
trinque: I suppose that's what the win8 machines were for
decimation: "Very low quality workforce overall. At times NSA employment feels like welfare for ex-military who couldn't get better jobs. Moreover, because there are too many employees, we cannot reward the highest performers with a reasonable salary."
decimation: otheres have found something interesting to do
trinque: not that insane to collect a good check and be relatively certain of life
☟︎ trinque: good place for scientist types to ponder; makes sense
decimation: one can hardly raise a family in the wash dc area for $80k
decimation: yeah, I buy that, good job for someone 'married to work'
decimation: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "
decimation: asciilifeform: that sounds like a nice life, as long as you can work on what you want and aren't bothered by paperwork
mats: so what i'm hearing is i should apply to be a clerk at the patent office
decimation: unless you minimize your time there to become a patent lawyer
trinque: I'm blessed I suppose by seeing software as only incidental to business
trinque: I think I'd kill myself at any govt agency
mats: i enjoyed .mil service for this reason
mats: got a lot of college courses and personal projects done in my downtime
mats: and during work hours when not out playing fuck fuck games
trinque: what's a social institution that works for this?
trinque: uber-wealthy king that funds research?
mats: my biggest regret is not going to afghan
mats: should've enlisted sooner
decimation: asciilifeform: if stuck on base, you got a burger king, they are apparently universal
mats: i had a whopper this week and couldn't finish it
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I think that's kinda the idea
decimation: your alternative is mystery meat from local orc
decimation: asciilifeform: actually it would be interesting to be a russian speaker there
mats: where did you find ad? usajobs?
decimation: I bet you would find all kinds of obscure and interesting facts
trinque: heh, I bet the locals would love a russian speaker around.
decimation: major isn't warrant officer, that's field grade
decimation: in the army 'warrant officer' is a specific rank
mats: asciilifeform: sometimes regular officer
mats: through 'direct commission' e.g. med corps seeking doctors, nurses, other health professionals
decimation: yeah, they are 'officers' mostly in pay scale only
decimation: yeah, still get the 'customs and courtesies'
mats: get a 'walking profile' so you don't even hafta run the distance in fitness test.
mats: is a vigorous walk but still... always made me chuckle.
trinque: my googling suggests it depends on the service
decimation: asciilifeform: I've seen recruiters for medical folks for this kind of position
mats: i spent some time loaned out like lawnmower
trinque: order of magnitude or so of inflation I'd guess
decimation: "The Marine Corps provided construction labor as a "military exercise."
decimation: today every labor union in the country would be up in arms
decimation: they are a class that is privledged with construction
mats: all the joes would piss and moan, good luck getting anything done when they take smoke breaks every hour
decimation: ^ yeah they probably would do a shit job
decimation: a pro mexican (or in your area salvadoran) framing team can frame a house in a day
mats: its a new, softer army
decimation: asciilifeform: I think they gave that up in the 90's
mats: old traditions are alive in select groups
mats: ranger regiment does it informally to clear out trash
trinque: I spent a couple summers on air force bases in texas in the jrotc thing
trinque: the officers on base seemed like college bros
trinque: angry, pissy, well dressed college bros, but nonetheless
decimation: well, technically officers are commissioned, not enlisted
mats: hes doing it wrong again
decimation: it's all bullshit anyway, why bother with the distinction
decimation: some grunt who has done honest work surely outranks some ditz with a degree in english
☟︎ mats: dunno that i agree with that
mats: somebody has got to drive the bus and another to read the map
decimation: sure, but in centuries past the distinction was based on nobility vs. commoners
mats: is this not the case?
mats: going to college is a privilege
decimation: I suppose what I am getting at is that having any kind of distinction at all flies in the face of usg's egalitarian sermonizing
decimation: actually the fact that usg is weirdly reactionary is probably the only thing holding it together
mats: i do not enjoy this game of catching the falling knife
mats: where i remain resident in US
mats: exciting, yes, healthy, no
mircea_popescu: "Brian Krebs, who talks about the weird symbiotic relationship he has with the criminal underworld" orly ?
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:06:53; asciilifeform: eff lobbyist who tells us that 'wassenar is a done deal, all that can be done is to litigate some of the edges off'
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:16:13; asciilifeform: e.g., did bernard von nothaus get on front of nyt? why not?
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 13:07:45; mircea_popescu: i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour.
mircea_popescu: "As of 11-JAN-2015, this post has now been read by over 30,000 people." << wrong metric, i guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness... rp oliver dude was beyond kooky. seriously, soviet conspiraci ?
mircea_popescu: by the way, the history of the "national alliance" is one of the top keks in kook history. so, nazi-like thing created in the 70s by a physics prof. he died cca 2000. appointed successor some random schmuck, who managed to lose pretty much everyone's support over the ensuing decade. some other schmuck eventualy staged a coop. schmuck #1 declares fuhrerprinzip refuses to yield. most of the membership follows schmuck #2,
mircea_popescu: except he gets nabbed for child pr0nz and perhaps underage rape. so organization goes back to schmuck #1, who now quits, because he had just married a stripper and "needs to spend time with his family", presumably servicing the black cock she's bringing home.
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mircea_popescu: 29-MAY-2002: Michel Houellebecq charged with inciting racial hatred for stating, in an interview, that Islam was “the most stupid of all religions”.
mircea_popescu: fallaci nigh-on got national funerals when she died mid 2000s
mircea_popescu: not a very good list this. a collection of derps (middle school teacher, seriously ?!) and reasonably known people who had little to nothing to do.
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:38:39; asciilifeform: handle's usg is hiring.
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:46:32; asciilifeform: plus the mega-benefits of guaranteed employment for life, fat pensions, health 'insurances', etc.
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:47:00; asciilifeform: herr handle bragged about keeping kid in day care 'guarded by battalion'
mircea_popescu: i guess they were all busy wiping this guy's kid's nose or something
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:53:15; asciilifeform: the only reason the nukes have not yet 'wandered off' is that the 'serious' part of usg works the same way as my house, or mircea_popescu's
mircea_popescu: the only thing silence means on this network is that there's actually no machine there.
mircea_popescu: all connected machines - respond. as they shouldn't, myriad ways.
mircea_popescu: the only reason the nukes haven't wandered off is that a) they're not actually flight worthy and b) they're not actually strategically useful.
mircea_popescu: they'll fly off once the attention whores off social media get technically competent enough, which, barring any unemployed 40yo taxi drivers in fuckheadistan, pretty much means never.
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assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:54:32; decimation: "cons: Process and management inhibit mission. Pay does not match market (as low as 60% of what you can get as a contractor)."
mircea_popescu: a salary is for the office cocksucker and for that twerp who actually sat through ALL FOUR YEARS of computer school.
mircea_popescu: these are not even "bright and brightest" of the 20th percentile.
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:57:50; asciilifeform: no one ever talks about the 'up side' of being a bureaucrat, but i think it is necessary. otherwise you are stuck believing that these people are clinically insane (they are not.)
mircea_popescu: one who is not mentally retarded can not BE a bureaucrat. they may temporarily work in a bureaucracy, but for short stints and fully loathing it, miller's cosmococcic empire style.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:58:58; trinque: not that insane to collect a good check and be relatively certain of life
mircea_popescu: how many people do you suppose actually and deliberately go to jail ?
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 04:19:17; asciilifeform: mats: i wonder when usa will adopt the ancient ru tradition of commanders 'borrowing' entire regiments to build their country houses, chop wood, etc.
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 04:25:02; decimation: some grunt who has done honest work surely outranks some ditz with a degree in english
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BingoBoingo: shinohai: Now you've got the aesthetic down
shinohai: I promise one day #b-a will have a state-of-the-art fap bot full of such goodness.
shinohai: That's where I got the idea for it. Finding high-quality material is a little difficult.
thestringpuller: "If Bitcoin was to be controlled by a popularity contest, we're pretty doomed."
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BingoBoingo: wyrdmantis: Feel free to write it up. I'm taking part a Preet Bharara turd atm.
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shinohai: Good article, 1 grammatical error: It's judges like this that will be taken out and short. FTFY.
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gribble: Current Blocks: 360302 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 561 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 15 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49378249574.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.75851
jurov: "american" complains about addition of foreigners? color me surprised
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assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 00:35:40; asciilifeform: use of linux/bsd is a legal nsa 'selector.' this is publicly known by now.
funkenstein_: so i threw a coin at s.nsa the day of first phuctoring.. can't help but notice that was the last listed volume
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:11:07; asciilifeform: aha, escaped prisoner is 'affront to the majesty of the law' (tm) (r)
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:43:55; decimation: no doubt it's the private sector where usg showers it cash
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 06:06:36; mircea_popescu: one who is not mentally retarded can not BE a bureaucrat. they may temporarily work in a bureaucracy, but for short stints and fully loathing it, miller's cosmococcic empire style.
funkenstein_: people say they work only for the money but in fact work is also done because it is worth doing
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 05:46:46; mircea_popescu: every pimp in baltimore is hiring on the same terms.
funkenstein_: allow me to hypothesize that what you do for the money is not totally useless
funkenstein_: incidentally i have very little luck with this argument in UK
funkenstein_: if one person appreciates what you do, my argument is proven
funkenstein_: what their use is to humanity is another question
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assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 12:59:34; jurov: "american" complains about addition of foreigners? color me surprised
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funkenstein_: and many of them have been fooled by this whole "work is for the money" nonsense
funkenstein_: one needs to get the tokens to pay for food and rent, this implies you have something to do with your tokens, not just working "for tokens"
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funkenstein_: even in that circumstance it is useful to realize one has the option to starve and be homeless, which one should take over some jobs
funkenstein_: if you offer me "destroy what is good and bright or be homeless" I will gladly take the latter
funkenstein_: Henry Miller goes on and on about his right to starve, rather unconvincingly
☟︎ funkenstein_: if I were so employed, perhaps I could be a useful mole for you.
funkenstein_: but yeah, sometimes i think even the indirect handling of fiat would put me in the category of destoroyer
funkenstein_: and so I should ask you lords, if this is a pardonable offense
lobbes: a lot of people here are in that category. 'if you starve enough' etc
lobbes: I surely am in that category
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mircea_popescu: "So basically I like to follow the philosophy of Toaism and the concept of wei wu wei, the closest English translation apparently is "action without action" which basically means you don't do anything. "
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shinohai: "Your asshole is looking a little dingy my dear. Freshen that up, will ya?"
mircea_popescu: glwt. housewives everywhere have been making the case that they are safer and faster than hitchhikers
mircea_popescu: who ever fucks a housewife and who ever passed up the chance to wet it in random roadkill ?
shinohai will dip his pen in whatever ink presents itself ...
mircea_popescu: dude do the stupid go to a special stupid school that makes them self defeating or what the fuck is it
shinohai: Welcome to the land of the free, and the home of "What the actual fuck."
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trinque: too many spaces for teh regex
mats: i wonder who will be the first to be hanged for #b-a association
mircea_popescu: i wonder how much time will elapse between t1 where we reach hanging parity and t2 when there's 100 usis hangings per historical b-a hanging
mircea_popescu: tho it kinda is historically the outer bound of responsibility.
mircea_popescu: moreover, you need better stuff than shit assemblages to not crumble way before any sort of parity is to be had.
mircea_popescu: no, seriously, i'm curious how the majesty of the turd statue is going to recover from something like that.
mircea_popescu: no, not really. notice that they knew enough to try and do it in secret.
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
ascii_field: the immunity of 'it never happened, move along'
ascii_field: their 'daughters' probably have shriveled syphilitic cocks.
assbot: Logged on 12-12-2014 00:03:19; asciilifeform: chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it
mircea_popescu: "But what makes me the most pessimistic about Sweden’s future is how the social fabric itself has been undermined. " << heh. NORDIC SYSTEM!!11
mircea_popescu: like the mouse system. "it works for as long as there's cheese to eat".
mircea_popescu: do you feel particularly like twenty gallons of ocean water today or something ?
mircea_popescu: yes eventually everything applies to all things. in this sense preet's a respectable fellow - hey, how many indians own their own suit ?!
ascii_field: i really can't help but wonder what motivates the man
ascii_field: torquemada, as i understand, believed in god
mircea_popescu: there's a minimum bar to belief, and it's "not being made out of pressed shitboard"
ascii_field: because being inquisitor is something like work ?
mircea_popescu: yes. a perceived social consensus and low self esteem.
ascii_field: i'd imagine having men thrown in chains at one's say-so does something for 'self-esteem' ?
mircea_popescu: vast expanses of marble arches do nothing for the self esteem of the slavegirls chained there.
mircea_popescu: yes, it's "their" palace, or in proper words their master's palace.
ascii_field: it isn't clear to me whether preet understands that it isn't 'his' palace
mircea_popescu: this is how the us became the most beloved, greatest and best country in the world.
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 00:09:38; asciilifeform: if i were to obtain (fell out of airplane, aha) a crate full of benjies, it would do exactly zero for my situation.
ascii_field: the confederate money just needs to be 'legitimated'
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:35:11; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158998 << mircea_popescu is posting through a temporal modem from 1870s ? because 'spoils system' in usg civil service is long, long gone. nobody at nsa, usually not even the director (they don't stick around long anyway) worries about which party is in the white house.
ascii_field knows buncha folks working in civil service, not one gives a flying fuck which party is in office
mircea_popescu: are they consulting for $$$ or just taking living wage as zeks ?
ascii_field: gotta understand, the dod mega-projects have lifespans of decades and contracted for $maxint in advance
ascii_field: as one fella put it explaining to me, 'it doesn't matter if they elect the democrats, republicans, or lesbians. i get paid.'
mircea_popescu: and whether the next budget overrun is going to be ok'd or not is always up in the air
mircea_popescu: and while people might pretend like it's not the case, everyone depends on their contacts and the days of the dual-head contracts are coming to an end
mircea_popescu: (which is what the recent prosecutions around the govt of ny marks)
ascii_field: 'lockheed', 'raytheon', etc. laugh at the budget crap.
ascii_field: they are attached straight to the bezzle reactor core.
ascii_field does not know, has not touched with own hands
ascii_field: i suspect by the conduit of 'we get paid or the lot of you die'
mircea_popescu: again, this is what the coumo associates prosecutions mark. not that it wans't a fact a while before.
mircea_popescu: that conduit is politically vulnerable, whoever has the courts can send the guy up river.
mircea_popescu: which is why i spend my time publicly humiliating bharara rather than "the liberal lion elizabeth warren"
ascii_field: wake me up when there's a humiliated rockefeller.
mircea_popescu: bad one, eh. what was the entire "we will herd you over at wh and tell you where to donate your money - it's not confiscation btw" episode than this ?
mircea_popescu: all the young schmucks enthusiastically approving the obamaplans.
mircea_popescu: no, it was done to a collection of "scions" of rockefeller and rotschild and the like.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu argues that -all of these folks- are in 'we'll show you what to sign, herr hindenburg' mode ?
ascii_field: so there we go. the remaining ones are our $rothchilds
mircea_popescu: they're in "we thank the party for its great idea to make an orphanage in our ex country house - we would have done the same if we were as smart as it" mode
mircea_popescu: freed slaves with "a lot of money" or "power" or "influence"
mircea_popescu: usually castrated prior to their ascension and torn to pieces by the crowd after.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 05:12:34; decimation: heh there are amusing layers here > "In 1854, when sculptor Thomas Crawford was preparing models for sculpture for the United States Capitol, Secretary of War Jefferson Davis (later to be the President of the Confederate States of America) insisted that a Phrygian cap not be included on a Statue of Freedom, on the grounds that "American liberty is original and not the liberty of the freed slave". "
ascii_field: mats: gotta love the shitgnomatic pgptrons and truecryptrons
mircea_popescu: ascii_field there's a bit to go with that : the more or less official hymn of the romanian revolution, which is this thing :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkI42zPuH7w (very neener tune, incidentally, much like the argentine's favourite thing - and btw those guys put the cap everywhere)
mats: if you put enough secret sauce in there, maybe no one will want to taste it
mircea_popescu: it goes "better a hooligan than a communist" etc, and it specifically says "we do not wish for original liberty and other lies"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: didja know, even u.s. senate has it in their logo ?
mircea_popescu: the notion that anyone can have a peculiar, different, original liberty...
ascii_field: mats: if i were fuhrer, i'd fire these louts. the crap isn't even -trying- to be plausible !
mircea_popescu: "the limit on open source is the open sourcer's willingness and ability to read code - so put more code in there!11"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field if you were fuhrer we wouldn't be at war in the first place.
mircea_popescu: the only reason we're here is that they're too stupid to understand they need to negotiate, and yesterday, or for that matter to correctly evaluate their hand
ascii_field: 'Fwd: [Cryptography] Did Intel just execute its warrant canary ?'
ascii_field: tests mental nimbleness, originality, memory, everything which makes someone worthy contender
☟︎ mircea_popescu: let's work this out. ascii_field would you agree that the mental cost PER UNIT of generating five random bytes is larger than generating six ?
mats: it can't be that hard
ascii_field: they don't need to be generated on the spot
mats: i use a memory palace
mats: not sure where we're going with this, but ok
mats: perhaps i am not the right stand-in for this conversation...
ascii_field: go guess a bi- or tri- lingual macaronic poem that some fella wrote in his head as a boy.
ascii_field ^ not my key, for what it's worth. but example.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field but it was written in a language nevertheless, right ?
mircea_popescu: and the argument here isn't about "guessing", it's about reducing entropy.
ascii_field: so, in this example, at least two languages
ascii_field: i can 'reduce entropy' of mircea_popescu's pgp key by telling that the factors are odd. what of it.
ascii_field: as it is, i would not trust serious coin, were i to have any, to anything other than brainwallet operated with optical keyboard connected to soviet z80.
ascii_field: this is the -real- difference between btc and gold
ascii_field can even imagine 'disposable' computer for operating brainwallets. thermite brick after each transaction signature.
ascii_field: so no, i have no patience for the 'brainwallets suck because you are stupid' argument.
ascii_field: incidentally, most people are already using the worst aspects of brainwallet -and- conventional crypto
☟︎ ascii_field: in that they keep multiple copies of their key around on the planet (or worse, don't)
ascii_field: and hence the location of key, and any symmetric decrypt password to it, -is- the brainwallet
mircea_popescu: but you've seen the general public lose btc to weak "brainwallets" ?
ascii_field: and i don't give a fuck about general public
ascii_field: general public cannot and must not operate reactors
ascii_field: reactor man - operates reactor. surgeon - appendix.
mircea_popescu: the entire thing was mostly about instructing the bitcoin-lemmings (peeps who think themselves "the community") about where to not step on the tiger.
ascii_field: my point is that everyone here is either using brainwallet in some form already (backup of your key in a postbox in japan, symmetrically encrypted with pw in your brain, and postbox # also in your brain) OR is one stint in pow camp away from 'civil death' (total loss of key)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56729 @ 0.00035435 = 20.1019 BTC [+]
ascii_field: so it is not a question of whether to use brainwallets - but whether to -also- use permanent copies of keys !
ascii_field: i would also like to point out that framing the question of key quality in terms of 'bits of entropy' is slightly misleading
ascii_field: because there are two kinds of 'entropy' here
ascii_field: one kind of the strictly-quantifiable varieties (kolmogorov, shannon, etc)
ascii_field: the other is actual 'guessability by enemy', a more nebulous thing
ascii_field: my favourite example is 'digits of pi', which max out (1) while being rock bottom on (2)
ascii_field: most defective (or subverted) electronic rng have similar property
ascii_field: 128 bits from first 1 petabyte of digits of pi will be guessed
ascii_field: 128 bits by a clever child in three languages - never
ascii_field: even if kolmogorov complexity of both is equal.
ascii_field: i urge mircea_popescu to eat some top ice cream and think of this.
ascii_field: machine is bonus. can hash on paper if you must.
mircea_popescu: the disagreement mostly stems from definitions tho. what people mean when they say "don't use brainwallets for you are stupid" mostly reduces to redditard going on brainwallet.org
ascii_field: i normally presume 'fella knowing what he's doing' as the subject of my ruminations.
ascii_field: rather than 'will mr lamer shoot himself in the foot and blow away his entire torso'
referredbyqntra: That's the response when I try to put your declaration in there.
referredbyqntra: I tried with and without link to deedbot.org but it barfs the same. Maybe allergic to -----
mircea_popescu: then again, this is kinda why we don't give a shit about the lot of them.
thestringpuller: i wonder how much irc traffic is referred by qntra/loper/trilema to here
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ah, not necessarily either, at your disposal.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.015 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39746 @ 0.00036001 = 14.309 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: poor reddit, stuck with this sad situation where it doesn't matter, and the people doing things are the people it hates.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mats would you agree that your palace is standing ? << My memory palace doesn't abide by such quaint physical conventions
mats: pot arguably rots the brain moar
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo mircea_popescu the text on that last qntra piece is overflowing instead of wrapping. it's broked.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00036001 = 25.8127 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: prolly code element not playing well with long lines huh
BingoBoingo: Fuck safari if safari can't implement web standards
BingoBoingo: This isn't even derpy HTML5OMGWTFBBQBUTTSEX, this is simple fucking text presentation
mircea_popescu: "the interwebs doesn't worx ? oh, you must be on a different browser"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski feelings fusion to provide free energy soon
BingoBoingo: Mozilla 1999, IE 5.5+, Opera since version 4, also works on Chromium and Midori that I tested
BingoBoingo: It is literally THE CSS snippet used everywhere to make <pre> text wrap. And safari chokes on it?
mircea_popescu: Prior to this years HOPE conference, a few articles appeared touting Nadim Kobeissi's new project, miniLock and him and I got into a heated debate regarding some issues that I, as a certified non-cryptographer, was concerned about in his design (at least what I could gather from it from the pre-release Wired article). The essence of my concerns boiled down to the fact that in miniLock, Nadim is using the human user as
mircea_popescu: the sole source for entropy in the ECC key generation. At the time of the debate, Nadim suggested I wait until the big unveiling at HOPE to pass judgement as he had some research into secure human-generated pass-phrases that he was going to share.
mircea_popescu: HOPE was last weekend (I didn't go) and finally the design specification has been posted along with the audited code. It appears that my initial concerns were warranted, each key is generated directly from the user's pass-phrase with no salt, thus leaving the true amount of entropy in the key generation process highly unknown.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and yet the guy ends his very apt article with "You can also find me on Twitter and GitHub."
mircea_popescu: why ? what exactly is the value of 2k followers that he would use the irreproducible value of his intellectual output to prop up twitter ?
mircea_popescu: more interestingly, facebook has had it's "turner buys myspace" moment, a while back. the only way it's going now is to that same 99.999% "value" drop. so did twitter. recently, so did github. the process of packaging the ignorant vouches of the average imbecile, selling them and running off has completed with facebook.
mircea_popescu: the process of packaging the ignorant vouches of your average 20something aspie "young professional" / marketing expert slut idem, with twitter.
mircea_popescu: finally, the ignorant vouches of random geek has been sold, in github. what's left ?
mircea_popescu: the empire's running out of shit to pretend like it stole.
mircea_popescu: maybe instead of phasing out "fossil fuels" the g7 tards should get together and phase out the pretense of gargle-economy.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, i know these things from experience - i have the benefit that i can order slave girls do anything.)
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:38:16; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159011 << this has to win some sort of prize for 'martial in atomic dirigible.' EVERYBODY i ever met in usa works for salary. i suppose it follows that neither i nor anyone i know in meatspace is 'even half-competent.'
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu current best theory is that 'gargleconomy' will generate enough heat to keep homes warms in the winter and enough feelgoodery to keep bellies full year-round.
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:41:24; asciilifeform: i suppose i should clarify, again, that i wasn't speaking of -actually working- as bureaucrat - that is, sitting in meetings, filing reports in triplicate. just that being paid to do, in effect, whatever the fuck you want, is almost like being rich.
mircea_popescu: to quote the pawnbroker, "more like a stench, if i remember"
pete_dushenski: and being rich is most definitely not waking up at 7am every day to fill out paperwork and have coffee with a gaggle of geese
mircea_popescu: what, it hath been ordained for the "nordicx systems" only ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98400 @ 0.00036128 = 35.55 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 18:43:12; mircea_popescu: HOPE was last weekend (I didn't go) and finally the design specification has been posted along with the audited code. It appears that my initial concerns were warranted, each key is generated directly from the user's pass-phrase with no salt, thus leaving the true amount of entropy in the key generation process highly unknown.
ascii_field: i just love the weird twist of the tongue - symptom of some mental fissure, surely
mircea_popescu: no need to ask nething really, it's all on public record.
ascii_field: battalion for some, for others - free burial
mircea_popescu: otherwise we'd still be on the pre-copernican astronomy.
mircea_popescu: i can guarantee the schmuck in question had no "batallion", on the plain grounds that there isn't such a thing.
mircea_popescu: the reason the potus "security" is such circus is exactly the reason oprah's pay is so advertised :
mircea_popescu: to cover for the fact that i can go into the chambers of the ny comissioner for finance, and rape him.
mircea_popescu: mr o's "football"'s security protects you, bharara, forrest and cuomo just as much
mircea_popescu: the only true universal equality, the equality to zero.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it worked great. they pay you, and you sit in a broom closet and mostly do whatever.
ascii_field: well, i personally only witnessed ~3 yrs of it, on account of the garden of eden having went under
ascii_field: (i personally was only in it by accident, and one cannot replicate an accident)
shinohai: *one cannot replicate an accident
ascii_field: did not say 'this is a mega-system that will last 10,000 years and build many fine pyramids.' but was trying to explain why a thinking person might voluntarily work for usg somewhere
mircea_popescu: and the explanation comes out to "any girl can get so horny one night she fucks a dog"
ascii_field: because per -hour of Actual Work- they demand, you get $10,000.
ascii_field: and yes, this reduces to 'mouse economy', lasts while there is cheese
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 18:54:56; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field unrealised income is not for that reason automatically not income.
hegemoOn: David Garcia, Frank Schweitzer
ascii_field engineer not accountant. so can't say 'submarine is powered by future energy.' it has to be powered by what is aboard.
hegemoOn: Chair of Systems Design, ETH Zurich
hegemoOn: Weinbergstrasse 56/58, 8092 Zurich, Switzerland
mircea_popescu: let the man learn enough about how to use a computer to get a gpg sig and register it with the bot.
mircea_popescu: until that day, he can continue playing with the xbox or w/e it is he's doing.
mircea_popescu: either david garcia or frank whoever, chair of whatever else.
mircea_popescu: you were under the impression they're adults or something ?
hegemoOn: mircea_popescu: i think most of bitcoin trade are outside wot :)
mircea_popescu: most africans thing the world is africa, for that matter, and so outside of the world.
hegemoOn: but if you are not interested i can understand, just wanted to share a good paper :)
mircea_popescu: so many people trying to matter in bitcoin "on their own terms" producing so much junk that's - to them, no doubt - meaningful and important that's not worth reading
mircea_popescu: what's so special about this one that made you click ? start with that part.
mircea_popescu: on its own strength, two kids pulling their dicks in zurich aren't worth the time of day.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it dun work thatway. << easy enough to give onself an actual limp for arbitrary periods of time.
ascii_field: all i personally want out of a hypothetical 'be rich' is for my daylight hours to belong to me and only me
mircea_popescu: take the sexual metaphor. sure, sexual freedom would supperficially appear to be that situation where "the cunt;'s your own to do as you please". however, the cunt so liberated from a context wherein cocks make demands upon it is not in any sense something for you to do as you please, it's just a painful bit of bleeding garbage enbittering your existence.
mircea_popescu: horse's notion of freedom is "the ability to run where it will". nevertheless, absent a ground to push him up and an atmosphere to push him down, the horse's freedom's not quite what he imagined, but rather painful if short an affair.
mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, that chinese story where cocklet in love wished the entire world went away and was left with just his darling
mircea_popescu: only to wish the world back into the picture piecemeal as the clock ticked seconds away
ascii_field: mircea_popescu is trying to convince the horse not of the necessity of the ground, but of the yoke
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> mircea_popescu is trying to convince the horse not of the necessity of the ground, but of the yoke << Once free of yoke it becomes necessary to "protect your neck" to keep the yoke away
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: this is compiled into my definition of 'freed'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84683 @ 0.00036257 = 30.7035 BTC [+] {2}
hegemoOn: can someone explain me what assbot just said ?
BingoBoingo: hegemoOn: assbot tickered a transaction on the tapeophone
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how much 'freed' is achievable by mortals can be debated, but i'd settle for mircea_popescu-grade 'freed.'
hegemoOn: BingoBoingo: what kind of asset is it mpoe ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i get it, 'heavy is the crown' etc
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034281 / 0.00036145 / 0.00037646 (3520048 shares, 1,272.34 BTC), 7D: 0.00031083 / 0.00034987 / 0.00037646 (42475653 shares, 14,861.19 BTC), 30D: 0.00023904 / 0.00030515 / 0.00037646 (139278699 shares, 42,501.20 BTC)
mircea_popescu: alrighty then. so apparently alf is a very convinced horse ?
lobbes: still, you have the freedom to throw the crown off and sit on thumbs for a year
ascii_field: if mircea_popescu wanted to, he could vanish from the map and spend the rest of his existence in the company of ice cream, gurlz, and theorems
BingoBoingo: hegemoOn: Look at that 30 day volume though
mircea_popescu: lobbes sure. and in exchange, should you choose to do that, you get to see how they're "phasing out" grassland
mircea_popescu: sitting on thumbs and stroking cocks over "FOSS!111" has resulted in pretty much unusable software.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely certain that 'we' (en masse) -ever- had 'usable software'
trinque: ascii_field | if mircea_popescu wanted to, he could vanish from the map and spend the rest of his existence in the company of ice cream, gurlz, and theorems << and meanwhile they're making theorems illegal
ascii_field: ms-dos was not asked to do very much. at least, at first. but i still remember screwing with qemm, xms, etc. towards the last years.
☟︎ lobbes: and meanwhile they're making theorems illegal << just keep running? debatable if that is true freedom, but arguably you wouldn't run out of places to run before end of life
mircea_popescu: lobbes this is EXACTLY what wall street has tried, 1945 - 2015
mircea_popescu: if you think "they" have a different set of problems... they don't.
pete_dushenski: ended with a planted file on a website hosting old versions of browsers, irc clients, etc.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Give midori a go. Just keep in mind its SSL implementation is especially retared so
http is not going to really offer much of an illusion even of protection
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: wake me up when you catch him. i'd like a finger or toe as keychain.
ascii_field: who the fuck knows what is hosted at this moment.
ascii_field: don't ever think of the enemy as a mechanism
danielpbarron: goodwill is my new favorite store! just picked up 5 pairs of shorts and 3 cat5e+ cables for under 30 USD
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I still favor Rural king where you can get flowers, carhart, circus peanuts, and an AR-15 in the same trip
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Prolly would be. Never picked up that last item from there, but it is possible.
shinohai: My closest solution to a decent fap bot thus far are categorized rss feeds.
BingoBoingo: Another hypothetical Rural king shopping trip is beef jerky, well drilling apparatus, unsinkable brown water vessel, and hay.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: galois's in on the btc-usg-bezzle?
☟︎ nubbins`: dat time when -otc failed to produce a buyer for a lowly 1btc sell and nubs had to rely on circle
mod6: hey nubbins`, did you ever see that issue on gentoo that I was talkin about lastnight?
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 228.72, Best ask: 229.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 229.0, 24 hour volume: 10489.59325785, 24 hour low: 227.48, 24 hour high: 230.02, 24 hour vwap: None
mod6: I'm using uclibc, so far going well.
nubbins`: are you using the buildroot toolchain?
mod6: I did have to copy over all of the openssl headers as you were saying once upon a time, but maybe i'm missing something else.
mod6: no, its just straight v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, i'll get to buildroot eventually.
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 20:17:58; ben_vulpes: ascii_field: galois's in on the btc-usg-bezzle?
hanbot: <asciilifeform>
http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp's 'if you're reading it, it's for you' maxim? consider, why is this fella on front page of nyt? vs the $maxint other folks held without trial << i do remember, yeah. results of recommended consideration are grotesque for sure. all the more reason to hang out in here.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i thought this was a mac binary ?!
ascii_field: plz post virginal binary, with detached sig
ascii_field: this one is not usable and i'm surprised your pgptron agreed to shit it out
BingoBoingo: The one time I encounter a hate movement with quality momentum to take off it gets fucking banned.
☟︎ ascii_field: (dashes removed, newlines swapped, other things which do not make for a usable winblows exe)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field and there's no detached sig, only checksums
nubbins`: no wonder pete has an attitude, he obv doesn't give a fuck :D
danielpbarron: I'm curious as to how this future thing works through coinbr
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Last I heard Jurov shows up at you case with a suitcase full of euros
ascii_field: ;;later tell pete_dushenski i got it, but you oughta post it publicly.
shinohai: greetings danielpbarron o/ No news from the wonderful world of bitcoind?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: It's what the social justice types call people who act like people. It was used as a slur too often and now people wear the title shitlord with pride.
danielpbarron: shinohai, my 0.5.3.x pogo is 6 blocks behind my 0.7.2 full size machine, and I'm not sure if it's because the network doesn't like two nodes asking for the same blocks from the same IP or what
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: A shitlord is basic anti-stupid
trinque: can confirm, am unrepentant shitlord
shinohai: You got me interested in that pogo thingy. I got one ordered.
shinohai: My other node, however, hums along perfectly of late.
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 18:54:56; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field originally it was supposed to be some thing really cool 19yo girls with a modelling/pr career say about socially marginal, sexually undesirable geeks. five to ten years later it emerged as the new cool.
davout: danielpbarron: werks nao
trinque: still chewing on that discussion of freedom
trinque: I tend to think it's a bad concept to work with
ascii_field: trinque: when you have ebola, your concept of health turns into 'not having ebola'
trinque: right, one can consider being liberated from a particular shackle
trinque: particularly considering human societies, do I want to be "totally free" whatever that means, playing cards on the worlds nicest beach, or do I want to be a part of the best-functioning giant human meat robot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178911 @ 0.00036883 = 65.9877 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: I'm skeptical of the american notion of individualism, but am not precisely sure how far to take that skepticism
☟︎ trinque: probably not getting it across
trinque: the highest good being some kind of infinite individual liberation sounds like something we crapped into the mental ether
ascii_field: trinque: it is what folks with ideas of their own generally want
ascii_field: i, for instance, have sufficient undeveloped inventions to occupy me were i to live even 10,000 years
trinque: are you free of your desire to invent, or does it viscerally urge you without asking first?
trinque: that I can choose to ignore my desires or not, but I have not yet found the controls if any for desiring itself
trinque: they just seem to be there, built in
trinque: this in my ignorance, I think, grasps for an explanation for why the rich don't simply count their gold all day
ascii_field: trinque: see mircea_popescu's example about 'drinking the sea'
hanbot: trinque what does it matter if you have visceral urges or not, beyond using them as a diagnostic to tell whether or not you're alive?
ascii_field: thirsty man thinks he wishes to 'drink the sea'
trinque: hanbot: it's not a question of mattering
trinque: I take a breath because thats what a functioning human body does
hanbot: yeah. but what of it? you can understand them and act rationally, or not. what else is there?
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> i know exactly what i want to be free of. << my tao cat smile is thiiiiis wide
mircea_popescu: hint : you're well aware that eliberation is not necessarily the path to freedom. nuland's all about eliberations after all :D
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 20:33:45; BingoBoingo: The one time I encounter a hate movement with quality momentum to take off it gets fucking banned.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i have been to free-time-land and it was the one part of my life that was actually worth living
ascii_field: so no one can say that i speak of hypotheticals.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There's a settlement of diaspora folk there
mircea_popescu: seems an imageboard way more adequate than reddit for the purpose anyway
mircea_popescu: and for the record, "accepting" fat people on the mere basis of them being fat people is exactly as morally wrong / intellectually bankrupt as hating them for the same reason.
trinque: hanbot: there's why bother to live in the first place, and act at all
trinque: not something I can say to you, in my case
hanbot: ascii_field i suspect the point is less about the where you are and more about the who you are. whatever gets to you in the present scenario will follow you to free-time-land or anywhere else, though probably in costume.
ascii_field: possibly mircea_popescu did not know this, but in usa 'fat' is a proxy for other things (mainly caste-related)
mircea_popescu: like, women with long nails -> do not need to work -> etc
trinque: hanbot: something along the lines of "because the meat robot is programmed that way" way lower than whatever is having a conversation with itself
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: except we have it here in reverse. in usa, grotesque fat is (in recent decades; not speaking of president taft etc) seen as a sign of poverty (not in the no-money sense, but in the offensively-stupid-poor (tm) )
ascii_field: (the 'why' is a separate subject, but it is not a baseless notion)
mircea_popescu: "you may eat for free, but the food will make you stay here"
mircea_popescu: but mind that reverse-indication is still not different indicatively.
mircea_popescu: and judging by signifiers rather than by realities is exactly the path to perdition
mircea_popescu: this is the crux of the entire discussion (of all text, as it were) : the ought/is debate is exactly this, observing the perils of judging by signifiers.
mircea_popescu: in the end, whosoever references pointers is going to end up with bitrot.
mircea_popescu: and we might be able to spend our entire lives running from it
hanbot: trinque i'm sure it's a worthwhile investigation :)
trinque: been up one wall of my skull and down the other; I may be a barbarian
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and for the record, "accepting" fat people on the mere basis of them being fat people is exactly as morally wrong / intellectually bankrupt as hating them for the same reason. << Hate is an emotional reaction, in this case to aesthetics
lobbes: is a learned reaction, I would argue
ascii_field: notice that nobody really hates other kinds of deformed folks
mircea_popescu: i imagine the same thing drives people to kill cockroaches / rats / assorted vermin, to wash, to choose their sex mates and to reject fatties.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this is especially cartoon-coloured vivid in children
mircea_popescu: ascii_field plenty of people do, actually. children certainly impulsivley hate all abnormality.
shinohai: so no BBW porn in the bot. got it.
trinque: mircea_popescu: that sense of order thing might have something to do with what I'm babbling about
trinque: the kids hate weird because.
trinque: sure I have a rational reason for not wanting to be near someone sneezing
trinque: doesn't mean that's what hit me first, or caused me to consider it in the first place
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Pao chick who is their new CEO, the one suing their former employer for insufficient promotions
trinque: reality gives you the options, then you select
trinque: there's no freedom to define reality itself
BingoBoingo: But yes this obese underclass is typically refered to as hamplanets, they routinely exceed 350 pounds.
shinohai: mircea_popescu should buy reddit and force her to wax floors or something
mircea_popescu: why would i bother / expend effort and energy to serve her ?
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> mircea_popescu: i have been to free-time-land and it was the one part of my life that was actually worth living <<< wait now, you've been getting it this whole time? :/
nubbins`: imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into creating internet fat shame memes
☟︎ mircea_popescu: how's this different from "imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into dirtying paper"
lobbes: ah, is this the cause/purpose thing again?
lobbes: I guess if one genuinely enjoys making shame memes, go for it
lobbes: just don't delude yourself that it is towards a purpose
mircea_popescu: what, dja think those people imagine they're making a better world ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski and ben_vulpes are pretty cool though so I feel bad if I hate jooz nao. Hating on smelly butter golems though is fine.
ascii_field: i'm happy to settle for the dream of making a -worse- world - for the enemy.
ascii_field: good enough motivator for damn near everything i work on
lobbes: BingoBoingo: what if one day you meet a butter golem you genuinely like? either hate big or don't hate at all, I say
trinque: ascii_field: I'm just going for "died on my feet"
trinque: will revise as things improve
BingoBoingo: lobbes: See, good hating begins with wordplay.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The sort of rollie pollie that needs a rag on a stick to clean itself and always is covered in an oily sheen
BingoBoingo: There's a whole vocabluary. Mini moons are fat kids, hamplanets are big and round. ham galaxies are the ones so big they flatten out on surfaces... Beetus monsters are covered in weeping wounds on their legs
BingoBoingo: Hating on the merely overweight is kind of a non-starter for me, but here in 'Murica there is no shortage of clearly celestial bodies to hate on.
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ascii_field: BingoBoingo: you would really enjoy dan mocsny's collected writings.
ascii_field: mocsny wrote, among many things, re: how it is not really possible to become 'galactically' fat without a host of 'unsung heroes' - enablers who feed you, wipe arse, etc
ascii_field: and how those folks never seem to get 'press'
ascii_field: yet what they do is not unlike what mengele did
trinque: I hate Yellen far more than any hamplanet
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mircea_popescu: "The great thing about /r/fatpeoplehate was it was a prominent (6th most active) part of an extremely popular website. This is too private; we aren't pissing off fatties being here."
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 14:05:28; funkenstein_: Henry Miller goes on and on about his right to starve, rather unconvincingly
mircea_popescu: (dali did a lot better, but dali quite specifically whored out to power rather than to plebes)
assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 14:13:23; asciilifeform: ^^^ where the hell is my ticker ?!
funkenstein_: lol :) well this helps me understand what is meant by libertardicy
mircea_popescu: "we the people" misunderstood as "we the pointlessly hopeful and unwarrantedly aspirational"