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Adlai: that site overloads my undesirable crackpot filters with false positives before ocr has even returned a single line
trinque: lol
nubbins`: Adlai what does http://thebitcoin.foundation, http://mpex.co do to your crackpot filters
nubbins`: http://berkshirehathaway.com even
assbot: BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY INC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR6r3j )
Adlai: all three of those say "geeks signaling non-geeks to stay away", rather than "timecube dissertation" ☟︎
trinque: I agree thebitcoin.foundation needs more timecube.
Adlai: at the end of the day, nothing that (a little|complete removal of) css can't fix
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00027559 = 1.8189 BTC [-]
nubbins`: heh
trinque: so here's another badly formed question; what kind of experience empties the HN poster's mind of its bad model? ☟︎
trinque: a chi power "fighter" getting beaten to a pulp by an MMA fighter, that sort of situation comes to mind
ben_vulpes: oh man
ben_vulpes goes off to find videos
ben_vulpes: gentoo quest prelude
ben_vulpes: "...ben_vulpes finally kicked off a kernel compile.
ben_vulpes: ~FIN DU PRELUDE~
ben_vulpes: "
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd7M4H0b62k << couple pops to the head and the guy's learned something whether he wanted to or not ☟︎
assbot: Incredible fight between a Kiai master and a MMA fighter - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRapsB )
trinque: dunno about "incredible" there
trinque: maybe incredible that he thought his spirit-energy dancing was a thing
trinque: so maybe hierarchial leadership is the most humane arrangement, as well as the most sensible
trinque: someone to bop you on the head that maybe still wants you around, vs letting reality do it, which doesn't care if you survive the lesson
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: from bcp: "--unix-lines \n Make sure that all copied files use Unix style line endings." << hyuu
nubbins`: o.O
mats: i just beat Stockfish 6 (chess engine) and im in shock
mircea_popescu: wd.
mircea_popescu: Adlai there's no such thing as "the reality of a society"
BingoBoingo: mats: Well done
mircea_popescu: yes, he's in touch with the *fashions* of his society.
mircea_popescu: this is about as stupid and sterile as it sounds.
BingoBoingo: mats: How much power and time did you allow it?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089010 interesting. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 00:01:14; Adlai: all three of those say "geeks signaling non-geeks to stay away", rather than "timecube dissertation"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089015 << models are not optional and people can't generally be helped. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 00:06:12; trinque: so here's another badly formed question; what kind of experience empties the HN poster's mind of its bad model?
mircea_popescu: if you actually love him you can try slavery, but this works exclusively on the thin set of people who understand deeply they suck
mircea_popescu: which are mostly women anyway.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089023 << lmao wtf is this bs. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 00:24:06; trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd7M4H0b62k << couple pops to the head and the guy's learned something whether he wanted to or not
mircea_popescu: but speaking of this, i recall the lulzfest of the "consensus" in the 50s to 90s about how you know, striking is the way to go.
mircea_popescu: then chokes showed up and for a good decade people were all "no dude, there is a shaolin monk somewhere that can hit your spirit!!11"
trinque: lol
trinque: the best part of that vid is watching the students dance around as if hit
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mircea_popescu: practically speaking, vc.
mats: BingoBoingo: ~12000 kn/s, 30s time control
BingoBoingo: mats: cool
mats: pretty sure i had cosmic aid. this is my first win in over a hundred attempts
ben_vulpes: eh, statistics at that number.
BingoBoingo: I'd really like to see stockfish running on its maximally supported hardware
BingoBoingo: 128 cores, 1 TB of ram for the transposition table...
mats: my sibling recommended i seek counseling because of my "obsession with beating chess computers and the end of the world"
decimation: mircea_popescu: re: libnss < I think it has its roots in solaris
decimation: it kinda makes sense in its own retarded way - say you want to use sun's 'nis' rather than dns for name resolution
decimation: or some combination of the above
decimation: but I can try to do some digging
decimation: re: democracy < http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html < Mike Munger has an alternate approach to conclusion that democracy is fucked
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1awqu61 )
decimation: "o place is. No place that survives is majoritarian. That's what is striking, is, all countries that survive have what are in effect ways of controlling this problem. And so the insight that comes from this is, you can explain what look like odd institutions because--no one may have understood it. This is a very Hayekian point--no one may have understood that they are getting stability from this. They are getting a determinate choice.
decimation: Now, it may be arbitrary. But they are getting what looks like a determinate choice because the alternative is chaos."
mircea_popescu: decimation so if i want to use nis i compile it.
mircea_popescu: mats seems reasonable.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who sane still plays chess. might as well "play" hanoi towers, it's closer to compulsion than anything.
mats: well. #b-a gets to share credit for the latter.
mats: (the end of the world)
mircea_popescu: world ain't ending tho.
Adlai: iirc it was norvig who called sudoku "a ddos attack on the human intellect", although it may be more like a pack of hyenas preying on the stragglers
Adlai: whereas chess... now that is a ddos attack on all levels of human intellect
mircea_popescu: which one is sudoku ? theone that is taking over the idiots that used to do crossword puzzles ?
Adlai: it's latin squares translated to toki pona
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00027628 = 1.2709 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: heh. speaking of norvig : http://www.norvig.com/Gettysburg/sld001.htm
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C35qK9 )
mircea_popescu: http://feminist-fucktoy.tumblr.com/post/115209428580/oh-my-god-im-so-sorry-i-indeed-am-on-my-mobile
assbot: Yes, feminists can be fucktoys too! ... ( http://bit.ly/1awsVpp )
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo: Eh, chess is an entertainment like any other now that the machines won
mircea_popescu: well sure.
mircea_popescu: then you don't really care if you win
BingoBoingo: Right.
BingoBoingo: It's freeing. Allows for experimenting with more interesting styles of play.
decimation: it is apparently possible to create a static glibc
decimation: I'm not sure if it completely solves the nss issue though
mircea_popescu: easy enough to try no ? recipe published.
nubbins`: so i used BCP to strip out all of the boost shit that's not needed for bitcoind
nubbins`: got up to this point: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=E8S0bNRy
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRzDaw )
nubbins`: this is cross-compiling for pogo
mircea_popescu: seems libcrypto's broken ?
mircea_popescu: do you have libcrypto.so ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30003 @ 0.00027049 = 8.1155 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: .so would be the shared lib, .a is static -- looks like libcrypto.a is complaining
nubbins`: /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror'
nubbins`: anyway this is farther than before. actually cleared out an enormous amount of boost libs
nubbins`: if you get bcp compiled, you can just do the following to spit out a custom subset of boost, tailored for your project:
nubbins`: ./bcp --scan --boost=~/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/boost_1_52_0 ~/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src/*.cpp ~/dev/myboost/
nubbins`: no sense compiling e.g. a ton of boost python libs
nubbins`: bcp is included in the boost download, cd $BOOST_ROOT; ./bootstrap.sh; ./bjam tools/bcp
nubbins`: executable is in dist/bin
mircea_popescu: right.
nubbins`: groan/facepalm
nubbins`: undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror' <<< dlerror returns last DYNAMIC LINKING ERROR
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: anyone read the mem stats?
ascii_modem: surreal moment.
ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: congrats re: gentoo ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11820 @ 0.00027 = 3.1914 BTC [-]
ascii_modem: be aware that, like the rest of opensourcedom, it is in a fairly advanced state of ... declapse (tm)
ascii_modem: (decay that inevitably leads to collapse)
nubbins`: sounds better than collay
ascii_modem: colline.
nubbins`: incrementally closer to portatronic pogotron. it's now complaining about libcrypto referencing a libdl component
ascii_modem: libdl?!!!!!
nubbins`: yeah.
nubbins`: which leads me to believe the openssl compile might need to be looked at.
ascii_modem: you know what libdl is
nubbins`: yep.
nubbins`: and it's BANANAS TOWN that it's popping up here
ascii_modem: here's a perverse idea
nubbins`: dynamically link all the things?
ascii_modem: openwatcom/linux.
nubbins`: eeeeh
ascii_modem: it exists. beloved classic compiler used by almost all msdos games outfits in '90s
ascii_modem: opensourced about a decade ago
ascii_modem: mostly frozen in time.
ascii_modem: betcha it staticlinks...
nubbins`: /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror'
nubbins`: well. some context: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=E8S0bNRy
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMNX8q )
ascii_modem: and before mircea_popescu asks - no i dont have rigorous proof of equivalence of watcom to gcc
ascii_modem: Or! of his gcc to mine to yours to ... rms's !
nubbins`: rmscc
ascii_modem: eventually we -will- find that the whole tower was mortarred together with old snot.
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg10985645#msg10985645
assbot: [2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfAO03 )
nubbins`: "He did post it. Not only was he banned from this forum that day (he unbanned himself with an exploit), but ALL of the videos on his youtube were reported and removed for copyright infringement, including the ones showing detail work because there was music playing on the radio in the background. In short he already went out of his way to prove his innocence to a bunch of stalker idiots here just to have his accounts shut down and was tired
nubbins`: of playing games. Use your own eyeballs/brain instead of listening to the mob of neckbeards who harassed/negged him. "
nubbins`: he unbanned himself with an exploit :0
ascii_modem: wut
nubbins`: i think there's something in the forum's water supply
nubbins`: this is the $10mn/year master carver he's talking about, that's using 0day exploits to unban himself from the forum
nubbins`: so that he may deliver his piece de resistance: a 500btc scavenger hunt that can only be solved by purchasing all of his old laser-engraved coins from the various sock accounts that "bought" them
nubbins`: it's like the usms thing but on the forum ☟︎
ascii_modem: as someone who only ever knew about it from #b-a links - i thought it was a kinda nature preserve just for folks like woodman ☟︎
nubbins`: oh, sorry, 5000 btc.
ascii_modem: why not 50000?
nubbins`: not sure.
nubbins`: he says he buried it in a capsule somewhere
ascii_modem: how do these folks decide how many zeroes
nubbins`: oh, wait, it was a thousand "bronze bitcoins" or smth with 5btc on each
nubbins`: i think they have zero dice
nubbins`: roll a few, count the naughts
ascii_modem: star product concept
nubbins`: aughts?
ascii_modem: handcarveit
nubbins`: goose eggs
nubbins`: "Not only was he banned from this forum that day (he unbanned himself with an exploit)"
nubbins`: ah, goodness
ascii_modem: did anyone ever actually buy from this nitwit ?
decimation: ascii_modem: I thought we went over the libdl/openssl thing
nubbins`: from what i can figure, he buys accounts
nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins ☟︎☟︎
nubbins`: with the exception of one or two rubes
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049840 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:37:31; decimation: mod6: try modding the openssl 'configure' stuff to use 'no-dso'
nubbins`: ohhhhhh
nubbins`: nice
nubbins`: wait, hold on
decimation: I thought he put that in the script
ascii_modem: did anyone try this? i forget
decimation: I did, on my own
ascii_modem: works?
nubbins`: sorry
decimation: well, it compiled anyway
nubbins`: it's in 0.5.3.1 auto.sh, not portatronic
nubbins`: one sec
decimation: I didn't run it to full sync
nubbins`: lel the roomie and his friend are watching "death of a fuckin salesman"
decimation: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: when will we read 'death of a sp4mz0r' ?
nubbins`: glengarry glen spam
nubbins`: the shouting is starting to get really good now
decimation: ascii_modem: did you see the earlier note about glibc compiled statically
ascii_modem: decimation: ?
decimation: well, redhat provides a static libc ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15319 @ 0.00027266 = 4.1769 BTC [+]
decimation: the libnss symbols are present therein
nubbins`: !up AusBitBank
ascii_modem: if i can't replicate it with my existing toolchain - it doesnt exist
decimation: ah you are using uclibc for pogo
nubbins`: i am
ascii_modem: same
nubbins`: go small or go to the mall
decimation: well, the redhat glibc static build is pretty much just building glibc with -static
nubbins`: ok, so the libdl/DSO thing is gone
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KqcWDAs1
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMPhIz )
decimation: ok from uclibc docs/Glibc_vs_uClibc_Differences.txt
decimation: 6) uClibc does not support NSS (/lib/libnss_*), which allows glibc to easily support various methods of authentication and DNS resolution. uClibc only supports flat password files and shadow password files for storing authentication information. If you need something more complex than this, you can compile and install pam.
decimation: so this is not an issue for pogo anyway
ascii_modem: this invites the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again. ☟︎
decimation: indeed
decimation: all the more reason to use embedded buildroot/minimal distro
nubbins`: +1
decimation: the amount of bloat in glibc is quite shocking
decimation: I mostly blame redhat
decimation: they want to turn linux into winblows
nubbins`: who doesn't
nubbins`: meanwhile windows wants to turn itself into a bunch of sheets of coloured construction paper laid out on a blue tarp
decimation: http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/how-red-hat-killed-its-core-productand-became-a-billion-dollar-business/ < ""We never ever go into a customer and say, 'There's an application that's not supported on RHEL," Cormier said. "If it's supported on Windows, it's supported on RHEL.""
assbot: How Red Hat killed its core product—and became a billion-dollar business | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVabMr )
decimation: ^ what he means, specifically, is that you can enslave your rhel machine to a winblows 'kerberos/ldap' server
decimation: which gives us glibc turdlets
Adlai never understood why nobody wrote a tree-shaking compiler
ascii_modem: ^
decimation: ascii_modem: suddenly talk about lisp machines seems cool
ascii_modem: one reason is that it is damnably hard for c/cpp
decimation: there's this thing http://www.absint.com/compcert/index.htm
assbot: CompCert ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMPUl7 )
Adlai: sure, but it's not like this is the first time people have wanted to use minimal functionality from existing libraries
decimation: ^ I tried to use it once, immediately puked when it encountered system libraries
ascii_modem: safety-critical c, l0l!!
decimation: don't laugh ascii, it's apparently industry standard
ascii_modem: the car-with-stuck-accelerator industry?
decimation: aye that's what I'm thinking of
ascii_modem: or the plane-falls-like-brick one
decimation: it's in the logs somewhere. point is, there's a whole cottage industry around trying to 'support' C for missions that matter
decimation: the lite version for interested folks http://www.edn.com/design/automotive/4423428/Toyota-s-killer-firmware--Bad-design-and-its-consequences < "
assbot: Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN ... ( http://bit.ly/1GVb6MK )
decimation: Barr's ultimate conclusions were that: Toyota’s electronic throttle control system (ETCS) source code is of unreasonable quality. Toyota’s source code is defective and contains bugs, including bugs that can cause unintended acceleration (UA). Code-quality metrics predict presence of additional bugs. Toyota’s fail safes are defective and inadequate (referring to them as a “house of cards” safety architecture).
decimation: Misbehaviors of Toyota’s ETCS are a cause of UA. "
decimation: "Although the investigation focused almost entirely on software, there is at least one HW factor: Toyota claimed the 2005 Camry's main CPU had error detecting and correcting (EDAC) RAM. It didn't. EDAC, or at least parity RAM, is relatively easy and low-cost insurance for safety-critical systems."
decimation: lol
decimation: one wonders how much of our lives depend directly on such hard and soft turdware
decimation: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: as much as we let.
decimation: rms was right about this kind of stuff
decimation: if 'we' let vendors hide their software, they will produce turds
ascii_modem: it will happen until hammurabic punishment is reintroduced.
Adlai: something like compcert doesn't help when the libraries have mounds of garbage code, even if it "works," you just get mounds of garbage object code
decimation: Adlai: yeah I don't think it will even let you link with any modern open source standard libraries
ascii_modem: fits-in-head is the only answer. though it goes well with a balanced diet of public impalements for wreckerz
ascii_modem: fitted non-ecc ram in a car? enjoy being used as living crash dummy in next test
decimation: at least toyota got to pocket $0.50!
ascii_modem: some berkshire 'wriggleys' is laughing all the way to the bank
ascii_modem: but it is important to remember -why-
ascii_modem: it is -not!- because the non-ecc chip is cheaper
ascii_modem: but because the unreflective imbecile who signed off on it is.
decimation: ^ should be sat upon stake
ascii_modem: cheaper than that endangered animal, the actual engineer...
decimation: somewhere there was a sweatshop where some asian person was committing code to this device
decimation: and that person either *knew* what he was doing or was pathologically ignorant
ascii_modem: quite possibly did not even know, for toyota or toy car
ascii_modem: but someone -decided- to use the idiot coolie
decimation: true. it's also possible that the code was acquired from elsewhere, written for some other purpose, and was 'merit-washed' into the ecm module
ascii_modem: ^ not uncommon
decimation: not uncommon at all - for instance, openssl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00027266 = 2.6175 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089113 << ftr, i've given up on it. imo gentoo is too retarded to be usable. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 03:56:30; ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: congrats re: gentoo
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089150 << lol. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:26; nubbins`: it's like the usms thing but on the forum
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089151 << quite exactly that, actually. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:42; ascii_modem: as someone who only ever knew about it from #b-a links - i thought it was a kinda nature preserve just for folks like woodman
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089169 << i still want to know what was in for blazedout to shill for him. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:17:34; nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089192 << maybe i'm from the wrong asylum, but what exactly does "provide a static X" mean ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:25:47; decimation: well, redhat provides a static libc
mircea_popescu: ie, my way out of swallowing random binary strange is to get a solid block of binary strange ? from... red hat ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i want it from nsa directly. what is this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27088 @ 0.00027215 = 7.372 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089208 << apparently we were not the only ones to notice glibc got raped. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:36:00; ascii_modem: this invites the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again.
ben_vulpes: i have a gentoo that comes up as expected - but sans eth0, and damned if i can figure out why.
ben_vulpes: anyways, that's enough for one day.
ben_vulpes: (*damned* frustrating, that networking thing)
ben_vulpes: (live cd connects through virtualization layer just happily
ben_vulpes: but compiled kernel and gentoo - simply refuses. indubitably attributable to operator error.)
trinque: ben_vulpes: gentoo has this dumb scheme where you have to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0
trinque: then start the symlink
trinque: because magic is awesome
trinque: then there's of course having the right kernel module going
ben_vulpes: i-i'm scared, t-trinque
mircea_popescu: i'm fucking depressed.
ben_vulpes: waI/
ben_vulpes: ?
ben_vulpes: pressed shitboard all the way down?
mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running. ☟︎☟︎
mats: and here i thought mp was going to show a moment of vulnerability
trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer ☟︎☟︎
trinque: can't have that because it wouldn't be gentoo!
trinque: yes it would
mircea_popescu: "someone could solve this"
mircea_popescu: sure, someone could. the moment someone does you get ubuntu - two years of unusable, six months of barely usable and then insta-poettering. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ubuntu is practically 10.04
trinque: hm, how do you resolve it?
trinque: either it's easy to install and becomes the shit-smeared playground, or it's pulling teeth and marginally less shit-smeared, it seems
mircea_popescu: how. spiked club in one hand, plank-with-nail in another hand.
mircea_popescu: stepping on transvestite cocks and hispster beards, in a swamp of hurt feelings.
trinque: haha, the plank with nail is unstoppable
trinque: sounds like a hell of a fun time
mircea_popescu: sadly intelligent people are coditioned to fear hurting idiots, instead of enjoying it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's the most objectionable thing ever, all this list of gotchas.
mircea_popescu: trying to install gentoo is like taking an exam for public servancy
mircea_popescu: "you mean to tell me you wrote down form f.45.b instead of 4.5.fb ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to live like that i'd have stayed in academia."
trinque: oh god the mundane knowledge you must have to operate it
trinque: I don't feel smarter doing this
mircea_popescu: that'd be the problem.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13329 @ 0.00027215 = 3.6275 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 350791 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 2008 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 78486415641.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 58.73032
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084918 << UDEREF is about best-effort userland/kernel separation for exploit mitigation, not limiting the capability of the kernel ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 20:59:21; asciilifeform: mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles.
mats: quoth the spender: "the problem i set out to solve with UDEREF was that many kernel bugs can be exploited (at all or more reliably) due to the fact that on i386 most OSs don't separate the userland virtual address space from that of the kernel. this in turn means that whenever userland can make the kernel (unexpectedly) dereference a userland controlled
mats: pointer, userland can control the data (and sometimes, control) flow of the kernel by virtue of providing the attack data in its own userland address range as it's fully visible in the kernel's virtual address space as well"
mats: https://grsecurity.net/~spender/uderef.txt << for the logs
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1D6g33I )
mircea_popescu: im starting to realise the "bitcoin atm" thing is actually just a sort of "freedom toaster" v2.0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8764 @ 0.00027599 = 2.4188 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Wait, you had other impression of it?
mircea_popescu: i originally imagined it's a misguided attempt to make money,
mircea_popescu: rather than a ludicrous attempt to be hipsterashionable.
BingoBoingo: Will it's an attempt to make some money for the people selling the boxes, but mostly it's a piece of conference swag some naive souls tried to introduce into the real world.
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: Setup a freedom toaster at a conference, some idiots are going to put one up in a space they have access to thinking it will attact passerby outside the conference distortion swirl, same with BTC ATMs
mircea_popescu: it's a bizarre sort of museum-ification of life.
BingoBoingo: There's probably some subset of compulsive behavior spectrum that desperately wants whatever they are doing to actual be museum'ing
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00027671 = 9.2698 BTC [-] {4}
cazalla: danielpbarron, ha check it out, that freebsdgirl ya had it out with on twitter got swatted http://blog.randi.io/2015/04/03/swated/
assbot: Tales from the Trenches: I was SWATed | randi.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1xR2SmO )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00027841 = 3.0486 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: oh jeez so many eaten messages
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089169 << i still want to know what was in for blazedout to shill for him. <<< i still have NFI ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 04:17:34; nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins
nubbins`: <+trinque> ben_vulpes: gentoo has this dumb scheme where you have to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0 <<< +1
nubbins`: ben_vulpes my eth0 is named enp0s3 in gentoo by default
nubbins`: try ifconfig to see if yours is same
nubbins`: https://twitter.com/olivierjanss/status/584496773592383488
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation's Corporate Counsel (Greg Egan) just resigned.
nubbins`: i like this guy
nubbins`: okay, this is good:http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KKWE8Spe
nubbins`: now it's happening when i try to (re-)compile bdb rather than when i try to compile bitcoind
nubbins`: <+cazalla> danielpbarron, ha check it out, that freebsdgirl ya had it out with on twitter got swatted <<< this imo is explicit admission by her enemies that they have no external genitalia
nubbins`: !up ascii_modem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00028338 = 3.4147 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: morn
punkman: http://blog.randi.io/2015/04/03/swated/ << couple cops showing up and being polite doesn't sound like "SWATed"
assbot: Tales from the Trenches: I was SWATed | randi.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1a4Cknf )
ascii_modem: mega-log
ascii_modem: mircea_popescu: gentoo is not so much a 'usable linux' as a -machine for building a usable linux-. sorta like 'buildroot'. would you also say that, e.g., a lathe - is 'unusable' ?
mircea_popescu: for me, yes
mircea_popescu: a lathe is the essence of unusable.
ascii_modem: me, i find all those -other- distros, the ones that insist on littering my disk with all those bins i didn't ask for and that werent built in my home - unusable
mircea_popescu: these are completely separate problems.
ascii_modem: ?
mircea_popescu: so i find prisses unusable and you find crosseyed women unusable. so ?
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> a lathe is the essence of unusable. <<< o.O i bet you have soft hands
mircea_popescu: very. and feet.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: if you want to complete the picture, tell me your handshake is limp and clammy
mircea_popescu: nop.
nubbins`: ;/
mircea_popescu: again, entirely separate propblems, these.
nubbins`: a study in poopsites
nubbins`: also opposites.
nubbins`: :(
mircea_popescu: lol
ascii_modem: i find it odd that mircea_popescu does not handle linux in same way as lathe or - hell - dental work
mircea_popescu: i can. ocasionally i choose not to.
ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089295 << ftr a new gentoo box usually takes me at least a week - if on sane hardware ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:52:05; mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running.
mircea_popescu: and you do not see a problem with this ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't say it should take YOU an hour. i said it should take me an hour.
ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089297 << lol installer?!! as in copying other folks' bins over? ick ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:54:27; trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer
mircea_popescu: and i'm not counting whatever it takes to compile. just, it is not sane to expect me to go through laundry lists for minute after minute after minute.
ascii_modem: that part takes me 1h at most. it is deliberately manual, like the sub reactors, or therealbitcoin ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yeah well...
ascii_modem: and done once
ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089301 << exactly ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:55:23; mircea_popescu: sure, someone could. the moment someone does you get ubuntu - two years of unusable, six months of barely usable and then insta-poettering.
mircea_popescu: what was bitcoind using that ended up pulling libnss via glibc ? gethostbyaddr() was it ?
ascii_modem: no royal road, people
mircea_popescu: BULL!
ascii_modem: mircea_popescu: dns in general , aha
nubbins`: why did i not have this issue
nubbins`: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: nubbins': which issue
nubbins`: w/e the libnss thing is. details escape me now. ☟︎
nubbins` is buried under mountain of monkeys and footballs
ascii_modem: you did, no ?
ascii_modem: until killed the dns crap
nubbins`: oh right, yeah, the dns-snip patch killed that
ascii_modem: though i'm pretty sure it left a dns turd in somewhere - so a bit odd, this
nubbins`: hmmmmmmm, cross-toolchain just spit out a static binary.
nubbins` scrambles to xfer to pogo
ascii_modem: nubbins': run on pogotron
ascii_modem: if runs - genuinely static
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: ldd says so, but proof is in pudding
ascii_modem: the -only- real test
nubbins`: gotta set atftp
ascii_modem: i still want to know why gentoo has the only honest (re: stdint) gcc !
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089276 < I apologize for failing to convey my meaning well. I meant that redhat 'provides' this as a source package, and therefore one could examine exactly how they did it - not to swallow the binary without inspection. Source is here > http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/enterprise/6Server/en/os/SRPMS/glibc-2.12-1.149.el6_6.5.src.rpm ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:43:38; mircea_popescu: ie, my way out of swallowing random binary strange is to get a solid block of binary strange ? from... red hat ?
ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089320 << fuck 'mitigation' and the surrender built into the word. i insist on -extirpation- -- with hot iron ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 06:26:08; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084918 << UDEREF is about best-effort userland/kernel separation for exploit mitigation, not limiting the capability of the kernel
ascii_modem: decimation: the source rpm still needs rathead to build
nubbins`: ugh c'mon tftp
nubbins`: /home/ftp # tftp 192.168.2.23 just spits out usage instructions
ascii_modem: nubbins': use atftpd
decimation: well, it does need rpmbuild at least, it would probably be difficult to work without redhat
decimation: Although if I recall a version of rpmbuild was available on gentoo
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089403 < because uclibc doesn't even support nss ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 14:21:21; nubbins`: w/e the libnss thing is. details escape me now.
nubbins`: ascii_modem actually it was the client side that baffled me, heh.
nubbins`: check it OUT: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CnwtSvuQ
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y7eTFk )
decimation: although the question of what it does with gethostbyaddr() is a good one
nubbins`: no storage attached at all, so i can't tell if it, y'know, does anything
nubbins`: but i think this is sufficient proof, yes?
decimation: mostly, yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39378 @ 0.00027217 = 10.7175 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: so that's static bitcoind, running on pogotron, built with portatronic toolchain.
mats: well ofc provably preventing the exploit is preferable. PaX like a custom Gentoo build, relying on the attacker not knowing it's there, and/or failing to react accordingly
decimation: good job nubbins`
mircea_popescu: decimation o i c.
decimation: apparently uclibc has a dns client that opens /etc/resolv.conf itself, built into the code
decimation: libc/inet/resolv.conf
decimation: libc/inet/resolv.c
mircea_popescu: yeah apparently uclibc is made specifically because of this/similar issues
mircea_popescu: at least looks to me like something along those lines
nubbins`: here's my auto.sh: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HxUfaTPT
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1y7fdDK )
nubbins`: please note the Boost section -- i'm using a custom subset of the full boost libs
nubbins`: you'll need to use bcp (see logs) to trim out the fat and gristle
nubbins`: otherwise your boost build will fail
nubbins`: i'm gonna try this all from scratch once more just to verify
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11174 @ 0.00027 = 3.017 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ok fwiw that auto.sh does have problems, i'll try to polish it later
nubbins`: also the bcp stuff could totally be included in same, not sure if this is something people want
nubbins`: or if they'd rather do it manually as needed
nubbins`: but i don't think it's a *terrible* idea for our install script to only compile the parts of boost that we need
mircea_popescu: epic shit nubsy
nubbins`: imagine, i thought i left this life behind.
mircea_popescu: pls to make a proper patch in full glory so people can benefit from fruits of your genius.
nubbins`: yah
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10760 @ 0.00028767 = 3.0953 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.0002881 = 2.9098 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00028699 = 4.3909 BTC [-]
trinque: ascii_modem | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089297 << lol installer?!! as in copying other folks' bins over? ick << nah, just bash script that plonks you into a partition editor, then a list of architectures, then has you pick a stage, etc; script the scriptable parts of the manual, and leave everything that should be.. manual :D ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:54:27; trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer
trinque: I don't want decisions made for me; I want bricks laid for me. ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8523 @ 0.00027831 = 2.372 BTC [-]
trinque: !up marteen
nubbins`: has anyone besides me and alf attempted the portatronic buildroot?
nubbins`: would be nice to get some people to test this patch when it's ready ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00027831 = 2.8527 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: i'm still making a gentoo
ben_vulpes: running behind.
ben_vulpes: but hory shit have i learned things about the linux shitpile
Apocalyptic: ^ only for that fact alone it's a good experience ☟︎
danielpbarron: height=313721 vs height=220810
danielpbarron: !up Bagels7
nubbins`: danielpbarron closer...
nubbins`: darwin64: height=213002
Bagels7 !s panama
ben_vulpes: !s panama
assbot: 120 results for 'panama' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=panama
ben_vulpes: hrm>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00027699 = 5.9276 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/gentoo << just a starting point / copy pasted from gentoo wiki
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: i have an enp0s3 as well, don't really know what to do to turn it into/use it as eth0 tho
ben_vulpes: i'll probably eventually figure it out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9888 @ 0.00027574 = 2.7265 BTC [-]
nubbins`: um
nubbins`: ben_vulpes https://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/msg136717.html
assbot: Re: [gentoo-user] VirtualBox guest eth0/enp0s3 problem ... ( http://bit.ly/1ayWPt5 )
Adlai: ;;bc,diff
gribble: Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.
Adlai: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 350874 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1925 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 4 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 54249359325.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.71349
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: are you using udev or eudev?
nubbins`: i can't remember ;/
ben_vulpes: awww shit yee i have sshd into the gentoo box!
ben_vulpes: ssh'd
ben_vulpes: uh what next
ben_vulpes: buildroot?
ben_vulpes: buildroot.
nubbins`: heh yeah
nubbins`: follow http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yogaSI )
BingoBoingo: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/why-did-my-fans-come-on
assbot: why did my fans come on? ... ( http://bit.ly/1az02Zy )
nubbins`: also see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/thread.html last few posts
assbot: The BTC-dev March 2015 Archive by thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1az0cjE )
nubbins`: if you want to be able to build bitcoind with your buildroot toolchain, you'll have to add a few options to the config
nubbins`: i did this by running make nconfig after make pogoplug_defconfig and adding them manually
ben_vulpes: awe nuts
ben_vulpes: me pogo's at the office ☟︎
ben_vulpes: mwell i'm off for a bit
ben_vulpes: hafta upgrade from os x 10.9 to 10.10 to cut ios builds
ben_vulpes: yay
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089295 << OpenBSD is very easy to install, so long as you have hardware on which it is easy to install ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 05:52:05; mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running.
danielpbarron: can use xfce, chromium, gimp, etc..
danielpbarron: all in ports
danielpbarron: if you're used to debian, OpenBSD isn't such a jarring experience
danielpbarron: not that gentoo can't do those things, but the installer is actually somewhat automated
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9517 @ 0.00027574 = 2.6242 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/ti-89-bitcoin-diceware-tool-released/ << since scoop seems missing ☟︎
assbot: TI-89 Bitcoin Diceware Tool Released | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOW9Lp )
nubbins`: man for the life of me i can't reproduce these build steps
nubbins`: wtf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00028861 = 4.5889 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23623 @ 0.000289 = 6.827 BTC [+]
nubbins`: anyway, the general idea is to use bcp to rip everything out of boost that doesn't belong there
nubbins`: i think i'm maybe just ripping one or two things too many out of it
nubbins`: mildly annoying that i've got a binary but can't reproduce the process
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.000289 = 1.7051 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00028779 = 4.4176 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00028779 = 2.806 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu got your msg but not his reply, it was keyed to you only
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00028808 = 4.3356 BTC [+]
mats: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/04/business/powdered-alcohol-meets-resistance-in-us-before-it-even-comes-to-market.html
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punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/1985/12/08/business/the-executive-computer.html
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BingoBoingo: mats: "The packages, at 4 inches by 6 inches, are not easily concealed, he said. And because of the single-use packaging, he said, it would be easier to spike a punchbowl with a large bottle of rum." << I was telling people you wouldn't lose volume by powdering the stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13869 @ 0.000289 = 4.0081 BTC [+]